Sheer Awesomeness: Nick Cave and Warren Ellis, “Push the Sky Away” (Live at Sydney Opera House)

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Nick Cave and Warren Ellis perform a triumphant rendition of “Push the Sky Away” recorded at their Film Music concert in December 2019 with the Sydney Symphony Orchestra and Sydney Philharmonia Choirs.

Julie Lea Goodwin, soprano
Nicholas Buc, conductor

Audio mix: Joshua Craig

Film Music: Nick Cave & Warren Ellis was originally produced by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra
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1
lawhawk  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:33:31pm

Fuck Trump, Fuck the GOP, and Fuck the mendacious media that enables them.

2
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:33:49pm

FUCK TRUMP!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:34:27pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:34:29pm

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:34:56pm

Didn’t make it, but FUCK TRUMP AGAIN anyway!

Also got another like from none other than Harry Turtledove.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:35:35pm

Tuck Frump

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:36:09pm

re: #302 PhillyPretzel

Be careful Anymouse.

So far we’re good. We briefly lost our Internet service but we”re otherwise fine.

This house has withstood 106 years of Panhandle storms including two tornadoes since we moved in, surely it can withstand one more storm?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:36:28pm

re: #4 Dave In Austin

These are getting more creative.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:36:30pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:37:58pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Didn’t make it, but FUCK TRUMP AGAIN anyway!

Also got another like from none other than Harry Turtledove.

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Let’s correct the image!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:38:44pm

re: #9 goddamnedfrank

Thread

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:39:03pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:42:03pm

Four poultry executives charged in chicken price fixing plot (BBC)

Well, we do have anti-trust laws after all.

A federal grand jury in Colorado has charged four executives from two US poultry companies with conspiracy for chicken price-fixing.

The leaders of the Pilgrim’s Pride and Claxton Poultry companies were indicted on Wednesday for a years-long plot to rig bids and elevate costs.

Prosecutors say they worked to raise prices for chicken sold to restaurants and stores from at least 2012 to 2017.

The chiefs face up to 10 years in prison and a $1m (£798,0000) fine.

The case stems from a Justice department antitrust investigation into anticompetitive conduct in the poultry industry.

(more)

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:42:30pm
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Cheechako  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:44:10pm

re: #13 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Must have donated to the wrong party.

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(((Archangel1)))  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:44:42pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:45:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:46:20pm

The storm is starting to hit us now. Damn it’s raining hard.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:48:59pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:49:30pm
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Cheechako  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:50:29pm

re: #15 Cheechako

Must have donated to the wrong party.

Update:

Must have donated to the wrong flock.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:55:41pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:56:00pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 6, 2020 • 6:57:17pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Does this not put the meat supply at risk?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:00:39pm

re: #24 Patricia Kayden

Does this not put the meat supply at risk?

Yes. They don’t care. Workers are “human capital” to the GOP. Consumables. Expendable in the name of profit (which is why Dan Patrick is so eager to send your grandparents out to die for the Dow).

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:04:02pm
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Cheechako  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:05:05pm

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I lived in Klamath Falls for 12 years a long time ago. Typical red-neck town in Eastern OR.
Defunct logging industry and potato farmers with out enough water for their fields. Currently being held together by the local college and Air Force base. The Base makes the area attractive for military retirees.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:05:48pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thread, seven tweets:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:07:36pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Very telling. They say the “Black Lives Matter” project hurts her relations with Republicans. I guess black lives don’t matter to the racist religion.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:07:40pm

Love her!!

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jaunte  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:08:35pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:16:38pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:17:03pm

re: #31 jaunte

Based on a law which prohibits cussing signs in the presence of children. That law needs to be repealed. Trump has cussed in public and I’m sure children have heard worst words.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:17:07pm

Well, it appears that JK Rowling has stepped into TERF rhetoric again. And again, she’s being dragged.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:19:39pm

moron is delusional

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:20:22pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:23:09pm

re: #33 Patricia Kayden

Based on a law which prohibits cussing signs in the presence of children. That law needs to be repealed. Trump has cussed in public and I’m sure children have heard worst words.

Such a law is unconstitutional and could be thrown out if someone is arrested first. The Supreme Court ruled vulgar speech is protected speech forty-nine years ago. That said …

Valdosta, Ga. is going to be paying out a big pile of money.

Arguments have been made about taking pensions, but there is another solution. When you sue a city into the ground, the taxpayers within the city demand changes. Record everything.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:25:45pm

re: #34 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Well, it appears that JK Rowling has stepped into TERF rhetoric again. And again, she’s being dragged.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:28:33pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:31:52pm

And now astrophysicist Katie Mack is piling on to support JK Rowling.

I’m sorry to school someone with a PhD, Katie, but “you” and “they” have been used as a singular pronoun since the 1300’s. If you hate English so much, why do you keep using it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:32:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:34:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:35:31pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:35:59pm

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:37:32pm

AND IT’S ONLY JUNE…..

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:37:33pm

re: #34 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Well, it appears that JK Rowling has stepped into TERF rhetoric again. And again, she’s being dragged.

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Fuck her. She came out as a TERF a while back and has never looked back.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:37:38pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:39:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:43:02pm
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sagehen  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:43:52pm

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And now astrophysicist Katie Mack is piling on to support JK Rowling.

I’m sorry to school someone with a PhD, Katie, but “you” and “they” have been used as a singular pronoun since the 1300’s. If you hate English so much, why do you keep using it?

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um… ‘people who menstruate’…

I’m past menopause. I have relatives who will not menstruate until years from now, and others who have various conditions (or have had surgery) who don’t menstruate and never will again, despite being in the age bracket where one might expect them to.

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jaunte  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:46:34pm

Here’s an image for Sherlock Hound:

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Decatur Deb  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:48:07pm

The U Washington CV-19 fatality projection has been revised upwards to 140,496 by 4 AUG. It had to do the same to Alabama, by more than 50%. The chart now shows the state’s daily deaths increasing through July, with a much broader range of uncertainty. We are heading back into trouble.
covid19.healthdata.org

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garzooma  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:48:15pm

From last thread

Police apparently held a black uniformed Providence, RI firefighter at gunpoint in front of his firehouse. A superior later saw the body cam footage and apologized but the officer in question never apologized nor were there any consequences.

Naturally, the Police Union is going DARVO

“It is sad and disgusting that a Providence firefighter would distort the truth about our police officers, and that his opportunistic union president would recklessly publicize these mistruths in an environment when police are under attack. The only injustice here is that by the firefighter in question and his union president,” the statement concluded.

From the original story, there’s body cam footage, so this should be interesting.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:49:08pm

re: #44 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

From the link, this is beyond pathetic. A serving officer of the US Air Force duped by obvious Russian and white supremacist disinformation.

Some responding to the posts were incredulous, but few could argue when a screenshot of a direct message from Col. Jeff Edwards, the commander of the Oregon Air National Guard’s 173rd Fighter Wing, was posted in one of the groups.

“Team Kingsley, for your safety I ask you to please avoid the downtown area this evening. We received an alert that there may be 2 busloads of ANTIFA protesters en route to Klamath Falls and arriving in downtown around 2030 tonight,” the post stated.

Maj. Nikki Jackson, a spokeswoman for the 173rd Fighter Wing, confirmed in an email that the message had come from Edwards.

“This was an internal message sent by Col Edwards to the Citizen-Airmen of the 173d Fighter Wing for their situational awareness and safety,” Jackson said. “The alert was received from local law enforcement agencies here in Klamath Falls.”

My response if I were still in service: “Colonel, you are relieved.”

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jaunte  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:50:42pm
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Amory Blaine  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:52:42pm

Can someone please report this?

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:52:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2020 • 7:59:01pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:01:40pm

When Trump leads the Border Patrol and prison guards into street action, I suggest the callsign “Bonespurs 6”.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:04:56pm

re: #50 sagehen

um… ‘people who menstruate’…

I’m past menopause. I have relatives who will not menstruate until years from now, and others who have various conditions (or have had surgery) who don’t menstruate and never will again, despite being in the age bracket where one might expect them to.

They are both referring to an article on menstruation. That in itself is not the problem, the problem is they are both digging in on the TERF language. We already know about Ms. Rowling, but Dr. Mack is talking about being “precise” in pronouns (as in “he and she”), then dragging people because they are using “they” or “you” as singular non-gender specific first- or second-person pronouns (despite centuries of use that way).

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teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:05:48pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:05:51pm

re: #51 jaunte

Stolen.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:07:28pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

And rots the soul.

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gwangung  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:07:47pm

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

They are both referring to an article on menstruation. That in itself is not the problem, the problem is they are both digging in on the TERF language. We already know about Ms. Rowling, but Dr. Mack is talking about being “precise” in pronouns (as in “he and she”), then dragging people because they are using “they” or “you” as singular non-gender specific first- or second-person pronouns (despite centuries of use that way).

Math is precise. English is most definitely NOT precise…that’s what allows it poetry, grace and expressiveness.

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2020 Blue Wisconsin  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:08:26pm

I don’t usually do food porn but these…

Falling off the bone tender baby backs slathered in Sweet Baby Ray’s Vidalia Onion sauce, and a side of Parmesan pasta. So delicious!

Yum!
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:09:37pm

ALERT! PALO PINTO, PARKER, AND TARRANT COUNTIES! MASSED ANTIFA RIOT-COLUMN ADVANCING EASTWARD DOWN I-20. LUBBOCK ANNIHILATED, ABILENE IN FLAMES. LOOTING, ARSON, BLASPHEMY, WHITE WOMEN SOLD TO SOROS INTERESTS.

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William Lewis  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:13:18pm

re: #64 gwangung

Math is precise. English is most definitely NOT precise…that’s what allows it poetry, grace and expressiveness.

That and it’s nearly unique ability in linguistic mugging :)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:14:47pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:23:25pm

This shocking scene is probably a joke. If not, though, they look young enough not to have reproduced yet, so a major Darwin Award should be presented by acclamation.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:23:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:25:04pm

re: #63 A Mom Anon

And rots the soul.

Graham Lineham as well.

(34:14, YouTuber hbomberguy explaining how he raised over $340,000 for the trans charity Mermaids in the United Kingdom after Graham Lineham screwed them out of receiving a small grant from the UK Lottery)

Harry Brewis, Hbomberguy - XOXO Festival (2019)

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Belafon  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:29:01pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

ALERT! PALO PINTO, PARKER, AND TARRANT COUNTIES! MASSED ANTIFA RIOT-COLUMN ADVANCING EASTWARD DOWN I-20. LUBBOCK ANNIHILATED, ABILENE IN FLAMES. LOOTING, ARSON, BLASPHEMY, WHITE WOMEN SOLD TO SOROS INTERESTS.

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Are you sure Abilene is in flames? Promise?

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Belafon  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:29:49pm
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Jack Burton  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:34:28pm

re: #55 jaunte

Police have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they cannot be trusted with any of their “toys” and need to have them taken away.

No chemical weapons, especially pepper spray. Tear Gas is a war crime, so cops definitely shouldn’t have it.
No rubber bullets. You can kill people with them too. Shit I know how to kill someone with a BB gun, and rubber bullets are worse.
No goddamned directed energy weapons mounted to armored vehicles for fucks sake.
NO, just NO…

At this point, I think possibly letting them have Maglites might be too much.

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BigPapa  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:36:12pm

re: #73 Belafon

Holy shit that was powerful.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:38:07pm
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BeachDem  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:41:54pm

A friend of mine, who is the most social person I know, has been really good about staying home and social distancing when she’s out. Her main/only source of income is from making jewelry and yard art, so she goes out infrequently to get supplies. From her facebook today.

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William Lewis  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:45:42pm

re: #74 Jack Burton

Police have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they cannot be trusted with any of their “toys” and need to have them taken away.

No chemical weapons, especially pepper spray. Tear Gas is a war crime, so cops definitely shouldn’t have it.
No rubber bullets. You can kill people with them too. Shit I know how to kill someone with a BB gun, and rubber bullets are worse.
No goddamned directed energy weapons mounted to armored vehicles for fucks sake.
NO, just NO…

At this point, I think possibly letting them have Maglites might be too much.

I also believe that police need to go back to revolvers. The 17+ rounds of modern plastic fantastic bottom feeders has become a crutch.

They can have a shotgun or lever action rifle in the trunk of the car for when they need more firepower.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:48:10pm

re: #73 Belafon

The Q-tips are all over it, calling Mr. Floyd’s murder either a hoax or a false flag or both.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:52:57pm

re: #77 BeachDem

IZIiQr686AuQ489pZIY4cOQBuTBntoWxeSq6yH2DCUb4VHizyltv2ixcqtMLxejRxHUbe0Z94zu6UE0nJUyg0sAf6iFK7np5r1PNjVuIEp1xPXqIuOZ5WD2ugbX4HLUF2pyM1FDcjB6aUlfV9P8eKiYdXNSxy0WU1MyFR7KuFqJSyk2nLfu14TahQ9dqHk5x

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Jack Burton  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:53:34pm

re: #78 William Lewis

I don’t care if they use revolvers or semi-autos, but I believe they should be kept in their cars and only brought out when on a call where there’s an armed suspect. The pistol storage should immediately notify a supervisor and dispatch when it’s opened.

Shotgun in the trunk… yeah maybe.

I’m really leaning toward all rifles and armor beyond the normal vest you can wear under a uniform should be restricted to SWAT teams, and SWAT should be controlled by state police departments. Their use should be allowed only under very specific circumstances and you need call the governor before the local state police division dispatches them.

Also body cams on all the time. No I don’t care if you are on your lunch break dude. If we need this in court that can be edited out.

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:55:18pm

re: #74 Jack Burton
They can have small Maglites, not the big ones. ///

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William Lewis  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:56:05pm

re: #81 Jack Burton

One round kept in their shirt pocket?

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:57:06pm

re: #81 Jack Burton

I don’t care if they use revolvers or semi-autos, but I believe they should be kept in their cars and only brought out when on a call where there’s an armed suspect. The pistol storage should immediately notify a supervisor and dispatch when it’s opened.

Shotgun in the trunk… yeah maybe.

I’m really leaning toward all rifles and armor beyond the normal vest you can wear under a uniform should be restricted to SWAT teams, and SWAT should be controlled by state police departments. Their use should be allowed only under very specific circumstances and you need call the governor before the local state police division dispatches them.

Also body cams on all the time. No I don’t care if you are on your lunch break dude. If we need this in court that can be edited out.

Or be used to exonerate an Officer wrongly accused of a crime/offense. That sword cuts both ways.

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William Lewis  Jun 6, 2020 • 8:59:31pm

The body cam should not be able to be turned off by the officer and to be on duty with it off should be an automatic firing offence.

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jaunte  Jun 6, 2020 • 9:00:56pm
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Jack Burton  Jun 6, 2020 • 9:01:31pm

Another thing that definitely should be part of any reform beyond much of what is being discussed is how law enforcement and the press/media interact.

Any attacks on the media by law enforcement should be an immediate fire-able offense and they should be charged with not only felony assault but a first amendment violation on top of it.

Also because of a trend I noticed after 9/11. They need to ban law enforcement agencies from using encryption on their radios beyond the channels used by detectives on surveillance. More agencies are doing this and it’s always intended to keep the media out under the guise of an “officer safety” issue that literally rarely if ever happens.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jun 6, 2020 • 9:04:45pm

RIP Steve Priest

Sweet - The Ballroom Blitz (Official Video)


Andy’s the only one left.

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Jack Burton  Jun 6, 2020 • 9:23:34pm

Oh and a another thing. Targeting medical personnel during a protest. That should be another one way trip to a long jail sentence too.

If it’s a war crime on the battlefield, it definitely shouldn’t be OK to do on our city streets. I’m bent enough about this one to think of it being eligible for life sentences.

Also every cop who removed someones mask during this for any reason, because of COVID should be charged with reckless endangerment, assuming there is not a specific law for this regarding viral and bacterial infections.

Unfortunately, I’m just some dude on the internet, without the ear of anyone in Congress who gives a fuck. In fact AFAIK I don’t even have a Congressperson right now (Criminal Duncan Hunter’s district).

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Dread Pirate  Jun 6, 2020 • 9:25:03pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2020 • 9:25:27pm

re: #85 William Lewis

The body cam should not be able to be turned off by the officer and to be on duty with it off should be an automatic firing offence.

Even uniformed officers need to use the bathroom and have reliably off the record conversations to develop confidential sources, so my solution is that body cams should automatically record to a protected file on these events:

-on any sound over 80 to 85db. IOW is always set off by the officer issuing forceful commands.
-any time any weapon, spray, tools or cuffs are drawn (RFID on smart belt)
-any time either back door of a squad car or SUV is opened
-any time a K9 unit is outside the kennel (RFID on collar)
-any time the officer is detected to be running
-any time the officer’s heart rate is detected to be elevated (smart watch)

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Jack Burton  Jun 6, 2020 • 9:25:35pm

If you can’t tell I’m so pissed off right now I’m shaking. I can barely concentrate on anything.

I’ve told everyone I know to *not* celebrate my birthday tomorrow. This isn’t a time to celebrate.

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Charmingly Persistent  Jun 6, 2020 • 9:40:42pm

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

They are both referring to an article on menstruation. That in itself is not the problem, the problem is they are both digging in on the TERF language. We already know about Ms. Rowling, but Dr. Mack is talking about being “precise” in pronouns (as in “he and she”), then dragging people because they are using “they” or “you” as singular non-gender specific first- or second-person pronouns (despite centuries of use that way).

I think you are misinterpreting her. Dr. Mack I mean. She says she has gender diverse friends.

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teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2020 • 9:49:17pm

re: #92 Jack Burton

I’ve told everyone I know to *not* celebrate my birthday tomorrow. This isn’t a time to celebrate.

New Happy Birthday Song?

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 6, 2020 • 9:54:30pm

re: #83 William Lewis

One round kept in their shirt pocket?

But Andy, you gotta nip it in the bud!

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 6, 2020 • 9:56:15pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had to do a double-take on that photo - for a few seconds, I thought that was a photo of Mitt Romney.

Good morning, all.

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Belafon  Jun 6, 2020 • 10:04:25pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 6, 2020 • 10:15:47pm

re: #72 Belafon

Are you sure Abilene is in flames? Promise?

I’ll go back and make sure.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 6, 2020 • 10:19:39pm

re: #90 Dread Pirate

A bit more on that here: thedailybeast.com

A key takeaway from that article:

The verbal tussle happened in the Oval Office just days before Trump’s ill-advised bible photo op, which Milley attended. A senior military official told the New Yorker that the president and Milley “got into a shouting match” with Milley insisting the military could not be dispatched against American civilians. “I’m not doing that,” he reportedly told Trump.

JFC….Trump wants his very own Tiananmen Square massacre - and he wants it now.

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Belafon  Jun 6, 2020 • 10:22:47pm
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IngisKahn  Jun 6, 2020 • 10:38:09pm

re: #93 Charmingly Persistent

Katie Mack is definitely an ally. i think Anymouse may have read something wrong. (Though I do support going back to using “thou” :p )

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austin_blue  Jun 6, 2020 • 10:41:40pm

The world is on fire, and the plague is still spreading. Economies are crashing everywhere. Tens of thousands of people are out on the streets tonight, protesting the level of violence that LEO’s are inflicting on peaceful citizens attempting to redress the government by their assembly because an entire race of people in this country keep getting shot down and killed when they are not armed.

And one of the biggest themes tonight on this thread?

A writer of children’s books and what pronouns she uses.

Really? Really? Talk about white privilege.

I’m out. Sweet dreams. Please check your priorities at the door.

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Jack Burton  Jun 6, 2020 • 10:43:09pm

re: #100 Belafon

I’m still of the opinion that you might be able to shame an individual company here or there to “do the right thing”, if you want to fix this across the board, it’s going to require legislation.

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Jack Burton  Jun 6, 2020 • 10:44:03pm

re: #102 austin_blue

Uhhh wtf, there’s like 3 posts about it other than one’s from Charles.

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LadyBehir  Jun 6, 2020 • 10:44:16pm

re: #102 austin_blue

quite concur. In addition to the world on fire, so, appears is my marriage. HIS fam that is mixed is safe (says who???) but all those other non whites are in trouble in the coming race war. i.am. done. DONE.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 6, 2020 • 10:58:42pm
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thecommodore  Jun 6, 2020 • 11:04:50pm

re: #4 Dave In Austin

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IngisKahn  Jun 6, 2020 • 11:09:26pm

Single threaded concern is still a thing?

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jun 6, 2020 • 11:17:44pm

re: #102 austin_blue

People can only be concerned about one kind of bigotry at a time?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 11:23:24pm

re: #93 Charmingly Persistent

I think you are misinterpreting her. Dr. Mack I mean. She says she has gender diverse friends.

Perhaps I am. Twitter pile-ons can be hard to untangle. Ms. Rowling is really getting dragged, and I think I confused the pile on with Dr. Mack and the pile on with Ms. Rowling.

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Cheechako  Jun 6, 2020 • 11:34:06pm

re: #90 Dread Pirate

Who’s the person going in the right (against the flow) direction?

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2020 • 11:40:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 6, 2020 • 11:46:29pm

re: #102 austin_blue

The world is on fire, and the plague is still spreading. Economies are crashing everywhere. Tens of thousands of people are out on the streets tonight, protesting the level of violence that LEO’s are inflicting on peaceful citizens attempting to redress the government by their assembly because an entire race of people in this country keep getting shot down and killed when they are not armed.

And one of the biggest themes tonight on this thread?

A writer of children’s books and what pronouns she uses.

Really? Really? Talk about white privilege.

I’m out. Sweet dreams. Please check your priorities at the door.

Yikes. Perhaps I shouldn’t have brought that into the conversation then.

I should restrict my conversation to the subjects noted above. It is apparently not possible to be concerned about other things which are less pressing but still concerning to millions of people without being “privileged.”

Ms. Rowling being a bigot is off-limits.

I wasn’t aware it was “white privilege” to call out bigotry in all its forms, particularly since so many black trans women are attacked and killed in this country (and hers).

I’ll catch y’all some other time, when it’s permissible again to talk about other things.

With the world in pandemic and crashing economies, neither subject of which I have enough education to write sagely about, or about police violence on protestors, since the protests here have not had that issue, I really don’t have anything I can contribute.

Here have some guinea pigs eating a banana for Aminah.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:01:39am

Xuefei Yang & Maria Vega - Serenata Española by J. Malats

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:11:25am

re: #102 austin_blue

The world is on fire, and the plague is still spreading. Economies are crashing everywhere. Tens of thousands of people are out on the streets tonight, protesting the level of violence that LEO’s are inflicting on peaceful citizens attempting to redress the government by their assembly because an entire race of people in this country keep getting shot down and killed when they are not armed.

And one of the biggest themes tonight on this thread?

A writer of children’s books and what pronouns she uses.

Really? Really? Talk about white privilege.

I’m out. Sweet dreams. Please check your priorities at the door.

Um, okay, but do me a flava and flip that around for a second. Because all that shit applies so much more to Rowling, who chose this specific moment of all the goddamned fucking moments, to narcissistically try to insert herself and her weird passive aggressive anti-trans bigotry into the mix.

It’s also instructive to bear in mind that black trans women are the single most vulnerable group in our society, having the highest suicide and murder rates. So, yeah, from that perspective addressing JK’s dangerous and wholly recreational bullshit actually does feel relevant right now.

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Targetpractice  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:24:36am

*sigh*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:32:16am

re: #24 Patricia Kayden

Does this not put the meat supply at risk?

Just like the police: “If we cannot do our job poorly and against your interest, we just won’t do it at all!”

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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:49:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:50:09am

When the lies are so big that even statistics won’t cover them up:

Coronavirus: Hard-hit Brazil removes data amid rising death toll

The health ministry said it would now only be reporting cases and deaths in the past 24 hours, no longer giving a total figure as most countries do.

Mr Bolsonaro said the cumulative data did not reflect the current picture.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:53:33am

...

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Targetpractice  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:56:45am

re: #118 Dread Pirate

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The idea that all of this can be fixed with “reform” or “oversight” is becoming untenable. Short of a new law to deal with qualified immunity, any such work will be wasted efforts as unions undermine every effort by promising to support any cops who resign and attack any who go along with it. These assholes are doing this because they know that threats of firing the “bad” cops are toothless.

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ckkatz  Jun 7, 2020 • 1:29:21am

Fairfax County just had a case where a cop was working with a man who appeared generally incoherent, but highly agitated. Another responding cop, who apparently had just arrived walked up to the man and tased him. The tasing cop has now been charged with assault.

On Saturday, June 6, at the direction of the Fairfax County Office of the Commonwealth’s Attorney, Police Officer First Class (PFC) Tyler Timberlake, was charged with three counts of misdemeanor assault and battery. Timberlake has been an officer for eight years and assigned to the Mount Vernon District Station.

Officers responded to a call for service around 1:30 p.m. Friday afternoon involving a man in crisis wandering around in the roadway. As an officer attempted to deescalate the situation that was underway, PFC Timberlake arrived shortly after and used force that is unacceptable.

Based on this action, both a criminal and administrative investigation were immediately initiated at the direction of Colonel Edwin C. Roessler Jr, Chief of Police. The actions of the officer clearly exceeded the boundaries of law, policy and professionalism.

The Fairfax County PD facebook page link behind the hidden tab has links to bodycam video of the incident as well as other information. It looks like the man in crisis survived the encounter. It is disturbing, so please use care before viewing.

Also the youtube bodycam video starts out muted, but becomes very loud as soon as the officer starts to exit the car. Be warned.

Click to Reveal

The Facebook link:
fcpdnews.wordpress.com

The bodycam link:

Use of Force Incident

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2020 • 1:34:07am

re: #122 ckkatz

Fairfax County just had a case where a cop was working with a man who appeared generally incoherent, but highly agitated. Another responding cop, who apparently had just arrived walked up to the man and tased him. The tasing cop has now been charged with assault.

I am sure that Taser Use 101 teaches “Tase first and ask questions later”

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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2020 • 1:43:25am

YouTube

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ckkatz  Jun 7, 2020 • 1:58:41am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you are genuinely curious, the County Guidelines are here:

My guess would be that the sanctioned officer committed several infractions. First, he unilaterally seized control of the situation from the officer who was primarily handling the situation. Second he did so without coordinating with that officer. Third, he escalated unnecessarily. Fourth, his goal appeared to prioritize ending it quickly rather than attempting to achieve what the manual calls “Objective Reasonableness”

Edit - posted text in the middle of a link

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Jack Burton  Jun 7, 2020 • 2:16:57am

re: #118 Dread Pirate

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It’s also clear that many Police Departments need to be completely shut down, everyone fired, many investigated, and rebuilt from the ground up. This is not funny or cute. If I did this to them I’d be in prison for years.

Every single one of these incidents needs to be followed up on for legal action and possibly prosecution. Letting these fuckers get away is not going to fix anything and if you try to fix around them the rot will re-consume everything.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 7, 2020 • 2:22:48am

re: #116 Targetpractice

*sigh*

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 7, 2020 • 2:36:29am

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2020 • 2:42:35am

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 7, 2020 • 2:47:08am

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2020 • 2:56:48am

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 7, 2020 • 3:43:28am

Steve Vai - “Candle Power”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 7, 2020 • 3:44:31am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 7, 2020 • 3:47:16am

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 7, 2020 • 3:51:26am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 7, 2020 • 4:01:58am

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

Even uniformed officers need to use the bathroom and have reliably off the record conversations to develop confidential sources, so my solution is that body cams should automatically record to a protected file on these events:

-on any sound over 80 to 85db. IOW is always set off by the officer issuing forceful commands.
-any time any weapon, spray, tools or cuffs are drawn (RFID on smart belt)
-any time either back door of a squad car or SUV is opened
-any time a K9 unit is outside the kennel (RFID on collar)
-any time the officer is detected to be running
-any time the officer’s heart rate is detected to be elevated (smart watch)

personal responsibility.
simple.

because it’s only after the fact that we find out..

you’re fired if it should have been on and it wasnt

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 7, 2020 • 4:08:00am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 7, 2020 • 4:08:17am

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 7, 2020 • 4:45:05am

re: #137 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

While FOX News Channel was being their pro-bigot and pro-business selves, and put it in a nice bar chart for their viewers, they didn’t come up with it.

The stock market has a long history of ignoring social upheaval (Fortune, June 1, 2020)

Fortune goes into the details of the S&P and Dow on each of those men. For example, they note on the day of the assassination of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., the markets dipped about 0.5% on the day of his death, but rose 3.5% a week later.

They made the same comparisons with the other men. All FOX did was turn the Fortune article into a graphical display (and didn’t cite Fortune as the source, because plagiarism is always fine with conservatives).

What Fortune’s argument is that the stock markets are not connected to real life issues in the USA.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 4:48:23am

re: #137 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

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I wonder what the stocks will look like when Trump croaks.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 7, 2020 • 4:49:07am

re: #140 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I wonder what the stocks will look like when Trump croaks.

We could make a bar chart and put it up on MSNBC. /s

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 7, 2020 • 4:55:47am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 7, 2020 • 4:58:14am

Now it’s national news.

Now I’m really off to bed. The sun is up; that’s my cue.

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jeffreyw  Jun 7, 2020 • 5:02:18am

Flickr

www.stfrancis-care.org/

Flickr

I was tickled to see that one of the shelter kitteh pictures I posted to Flickr years ago was used as the basis for a painting.

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sagehen  Jun 7, 2020 • 5:14:26am

re: #139 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

While FOX News Channel was being their pro-bigot and pro-business selves, and put it in a nice bar chart for their viewers, they didn’t come up with it.

The stock market has a long history of ignoring social upheaval (Fortune, June 1, 2020)

Fortune goes into the details of the S&P and Dow on each of those men. For example, they note on the day of the assassination of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., the markets dipped about 0.5% on the day of his death, but rose 3.5% a week later.

They made the same comparisons with the other men. All FOX did was turn the Fortune article into a graphical display (and didn’t cite Fortune as the source, because plagiarism is always fine with conservatives).

What Fortune’s argument is that the stock markets are not connected to real life issues in the USA.

Andrew Ross Sorkin was on Colbert this week; his explanation for why stock market increases are so disconnected to the day’s events is… that it is. The stock market doesn’t reflect the “real” economy out in meatspace. It’s evidence of what investors think the real economy in general, or a specific company or sector, will be doing a year from now.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2020 • 5:24:32am

Now they’ve started dis-assembling the old dude hurt in Buffalo. Note the idiot mayor is repeating “what he was told”.

Buffalo mayor calls 75-year-old shoved by police officer a ‘major instigator’ during protests
thehill.com

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 5:36:55am

This is… weirdly interesting. I’m honestly not sure what to think.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 7, 2020 • 5:37:30am

re: #137 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

I’m looking forward to the bump after “Donald Trump resignation.”

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2020 • 5:41:52am

re: #147 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This is… weirdly interesting. I’m honestly not sure what to think.

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Q’s smarter brother.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 7, 2020 • 5:46:40am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

That mayor is disgusting. There’s no justification for brutalizing an elderly man.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 7, 2020 • 5:50:22am

re: #150 Patricia Kayden

That mayor is disgusting. There’s no justification for brutalizing an elderly man.

The mayor reminds people that it’s OK for police to assault people because of the potential of what may happen.

Narrator: the mayor is either very gullible or lying.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2020 • 5:53:09am

re: #151 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The mayor reminds people that it’s OK for police to assault people because of the potential of what may happen.

Narrator: the mayor is either very gullible or lying.

They’re going to prove this guy was loitering at a bus stop in 1973.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 7, 2020 • 5:57:56am

re: #118 Dread Pirate

I hope these videos of cops acting like thugs result in charges and removals. They’re all bad apples. Defund the entire lot.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:00:55am

re: #151 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The mayor is a fricking coward who is afraid to say that the cops were in the wrong. We all saw the video. They were wrong. Period.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:03:02am

re: #153 Patricia Kayden

I hope these videos of cops acting like thugs result in charges and removals. They’re all bad apples. Defund the entire lot.

That can be useful on a city-by-city basis. But it means we get a heavy/clumsy National Guard or State Police interim. They’re not going to allow a vacuum. The example was Phenix City AL, so corrupt that it had an impact on the mission at Ft Benning.

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Kilroy was here  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:04:18am

THE BUNKER BOY - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:07:37am

It’s paywalled (popped up in my alerts) and I don’t have a subscription, but the headline and opening paragraph look promising.

Americans Are More Troubled by Police Actions in Killing of George Floyd Than by Violence at Protests, Poll Finds

WASHINGTON—Americans by a 2-to-1 margin are more troubled by the actions of police in the killing of George Floyd than by violence at some protests, and an overwhelming majority, 80%, feel that the country is spiraling out of control, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:12:43am

NBC News version

WASHINGTON — Eight-in-10 voters believe that things are out of control in the United States, with majorities still concerned about the spread of the coronavirus, pessimistic about the economy returning to normal before next year and down on President Donald Trump’s ability to unite the nation.

Those are the major findings of a brand-new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll that was conducted May 28 to June 2 — during the aftermath of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis, as the U.S. death toll from the coronavirus surpassed 100,000 and after millions have lost their jobs.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:16:39am

re: #157 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Which, if accurate, means a third of our country are assholes for fun. Because if you’ve been paying even peripheral attention over the last 10 days there’s no way you could excuse this behavior unless you get some satisfaction from what cops are doing nationwide. And what I see on Fox, hear from conservative online forums and social media, and hear on the radio confirms that they’re pretty much addicted to hating and being divisive, that’s the payoff for them. They break everything around them and they don’t care. Problem is, they’ve hit the ground running a long time ago and we have a lot of fighting and work to do. My concern is after the election, even with President Biden at the helm, that many people will think their work is done. Voting is the beginning of what needs to happen, not the end.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:17:23am

re: #102 austin_blue

Said writer doesn’t think that people can be trans. And she’s got a rather large voice. This isn’t exactly trivial since she can have an affect on numerous lives.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:20:17am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When the lies are so big that even statistics won’t cover them up:

Coronavirus: Hard-hit Brazil removes data amid rising death toll

The health ministry said it would now only be reporting cases and deaths in the past 24 hours, no longer giving a total figure as most countries do.

Mr Bolsonaro said the cumulative data did not reflect the current picture.

I guess they don’t teach addition and subtraction in Brazil.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:27:51am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Now they’ve started dis-assembling the old dude hurt in Buffalo. Note the idiot mayor is repeating “what he was told”.

Buffalo mayor calls 75-year-old shoved by police officer a ‘major instigator’ during protests
thehill.com

Yeah, slowly shuffling up to those terrified cops in riot gear… The horror.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:28:47am

Well look who has come out of the closet:

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:31:01am

re: #149 Decatur Deb

Q’s smarter brother.

That guy, or gal, doesn’t strike me as a Q type. I’ve read his tweets for several years. He appears to be an insider (doubtful in this WH but with connections).

I’m curious.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:31:36am

re: #159 A Mom Anon

Yup. That’s the 27% of worthless mouth breathers that we always reference.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:35:13am

re: #163 The Pie Overlord!

Well look who has come out of the closet:

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Meh. In 2016 every single newspaper in the country, but ONE, endorsed Clinton. Many GOPers endorsed Clinton. It didn’t matter.

The National Enquirer is the main success of news for many. Trump is a “personality” and had a cult following.

We need to make sure to GOTV. Nothing else matters.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:36:57am

re: #164 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That guy, or gal, doesn’t strike me as a Q type. I’ve read his tweets for several years. He appears to be an insider (doubtful in this WH but with connections).

I’m curious.

Publicizing a 4 Jul reveal is a very Q-like striptease.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:37:46am

The article contains her weak tea apology.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:38:08am

re: #163 The Pie Overlord!

Well look who has come out of the closet:

No surprise there. He endorsed Obama in 2008.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:39:18am

re: #167 Decatur Deb

Publicizing a 4 Jul reveal is a very Q-like striptease.

Very Season Ending twist! Stay tuned.

He says he’s going to out himself (isn’t him but who knows?) which separates himself from Q.

Like I said, it’s weird but I’m still curious.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:40:05am

It’s also not really news that W Bush has declared he won’t be voting Trump. He didn’t support him last time either. Get the vote out. Vote Democratic whenever you can.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:42:57am

re: #161 Belafon

Yeah, covering up data is such a winning move versus facing reality and dealing with the problem.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:52:20am

Assuming trump liars in November, going forward we’re not going to hear ads about 3 am calls or any of that, we’re going to hear that every political opponent is like trump, has the understanding of trump, is a know-nothing like trump. Trump will forever be the catch phrase for complete incompetence, ignorance and bigotry.

I’m good with that.

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A Cranky One  Jun 7, 2020 • 6:53:18am

Bunker Boy bawls behind “babygate” barricade. Blames, blusters, broadcasts bullshit.

MAGA.MBGB - Make Bullshitter Go Bye

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:03:37am

re: #173 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Assuming trump liars in November, going forward we’re not going to hear ads about 3 am calls or any of that, we’re going to hear that every political opponent is like trump, has the understanding of trump, is a know-nothing like trump. Trump will forever be the catch phrase for complete incompetence, ignorance and bigotry.

I’m good with that.

I’m good with defining the GOP as the party of Trump for a long time. Their motherfuckers think using the 1860’s to attack Democrats. I have no problem using the worst President and person to be POTUS to define them until the day I die.

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retired cynic  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:07:02am

re: #121 Targetpractice

The idea that all of this can be fixed with “reform” or “oversight” is becoming untenable. Short of a new law to deal with qualified immunity, any such work will be wasted efforts as unions undermine every effort by promising to support any cops who resign and attack any who go along with it. These assholes are doing this because they know that threats of firing the “bad” cops are toothless.

“Remember when” conservatives had an organization (blanking on the name) that wrote template laws for state and local governments? Maybe we should turn that around, and our famously organized progressives should present a template for state and local laws to address law enforcement from the ground up. Obviously, many places wouldn’t touch it, but if the reforms were reasonable, and some areas start taking them up, there might be a bit of a snowball effect.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:15:39am

This thread is delightful.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:16:05am

re: #176 retired cynic

“Remember when” conservatives had an organization (blanking on the name) that wrote template laws for state and local governments? Maybe we should turn that around, and our famously organized progressives should present a template for state and local laws to address law enforcement from the ground up. Obviously, many places wouldn’t touch it, but if the reforms were reasonable, and some areas start taking them up, there might be a bit of a snowball effect.

ALEC

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:16:51am

And now for something completely different:

Could Solar Storms Destroy Civilization? Solar Flares & Coronal Mass Ejections

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retired cynic  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:18:39am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Now they’ve started dis-assembling the old dude hurt in Buffalo. Note the idiot mayor is repeating “what he was told”.

Buffalo mayor calls 75-year-old shoved by police officer a ‘major instigator’ during protests
thehill.com

Oh. So that absolves what could have been fatal assault? Might still be: any 75 year old who looked that frail could easily die of something that started with this. Injuries don’t just heal. They are permanent alterations to the body, and some of them reach back and get you weeks, months or years down the line.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:21:44am

re: #180 retired cynic

Old people heal slowly and poorly, so you’re absolutely correct.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:21:54am

U MAD BRO?

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retired cynic  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:22:35am

re: #160 Belafon

Said writer doesn’t think that people can be trans. And she’s got a rather large voice. This isn’t exactly trivial since she can have an affect on numerous lives.

Sadly: young ones.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:24:42am

re: #182 The Pie Overlord!

U MAD BRO?

And yet your VP is Mike Pence. You don’t have any moral authority when it comes to opposition to the Iraq War, you hypocrite choad.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:27:38am

I didn’t see Trump say a goddamn word about Iraq in 2003. It was only when it became convenient to blame Obama for the Bush FP decisions that he tried to act like he opposed Iraq.

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sagehen  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:27:47am

re: #169 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No surprise there. He endorsed Obama in 2008.

He held off all year on whether he would back Obama or McCain…. until running mates were announced. He respected Biden, LOATHED Palin, and said in his endorsement announcement that running mates was the biggest part of why he endorsed Obama.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:27:59am

re: #184 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And yet your VP is Mike Pence. You don’t have any moral authority when it comes to opposition to the Iraq War, you hypocrite choad.

Don’t insult hypocritical choads.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:30:39am

re: #186 sagehen

He held off all year on whether he would back Obama or McCain…. until running mates were announced. He respected Biden, LOATHED Palin, and said in his endorsement announcement that running mates was the biggest part of why he endorsed Obama.

True. Hey I’ll take it. I don’t think a single prominent military voice has endorsed a Trump.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:31:08am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:34:59am

Yet the same time Trumporrhoids claim that Biden is TEH MOAST WORSTEST DOUBLE PLUS UNGOOD RASSIST BAD PERSON WHO MADE UP TEH 1994 NO GOOD VERY BAD CRIME BILL!!!!!11!!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:36:40am

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And now astrophysicist Katie Mack is piling on to support JK Rowling.

I’m sorry to school someone with a PhD, Katie, but “you” and “they” have been used as a singular pronoun since the 1300’s. If you hate English so much, why do you keep using it?

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Wasn’t she just responding to someone who insisted that the only proper pronouns for a person were “she”/”he” and basically objected to the use of “they”? So Dr. Mack was pointing out that “you” is used as both singular and plural — and that “thou” had been discarded. It sounded to me as though she was being supporting of those who want their personal pronoun to be “they”. This does seem to be separate from the TERF issue.

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stpaulbear  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:38:24am

re: #156 Kilroy was here

Lol. It took me a minute to realize that Randy Rainbow song was based on The Jitterbug, a dance number that was cut from the final version of The Wizard of Oz. My gay genes are slipping.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:40:01am

re: #190 The Pie Overlord!

Yet the same time Trumporrhoids claim that Biden is TEH MOAST WORSTEST DOUBLE PLUS UNGOOD RASSIST BAD PERSON WHO MADE UP TEH 1994 NO GOOD VERY BAD CRIME BILL!!!!!11!!

And that’s why they’re losing.

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Danack  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:41:45am

This statue should have been moved to a museum long ago.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:42:13am

re: #181 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Old people heal slowly and poorly, so you’re absolutely correct.

Creeping Fossilization is a co-morbidity,

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:43:54am

re: #194 Danack

This statue should have been moved to a museum melted down for scrap long ago.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:43:57am

re: #191 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t she just responding to someone who insisted that the only proper pronouns for a person were “she”/”he” and basically objected to the use of “they”? So Dr. Mack was pointing out that “you” is used as both singular and plural — and that “thou” had been discarded. It sounded to me as though she was being supporting of those who want their personal pronoun to be “they”. This does seem to be separate from the TERF issue.

If you can’t tell who is blaming whom for what, the arguments are not very well made. Twitter is not the Oxford Union.

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Danack  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:50:28am

re: #196 The Pie Overlord!

This statue should have been melted down for scrap long ago.

I disagree there. Bristol really needs a museum that focuses on it’s slave trading past. And how much money was made off selling tobacco.

Part of that museum should be how society will ignore someone’s evil behaviour if they provide enough money to their city. And the statue that will have a description of “This statue used to have a prime position in the heart of the city” would be a good example of that.

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stpaulbear  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:54:52am

re: #194 Danack

Jack Grey
@_jackgrey
Edward Colston statue pulled down by BLM protesters in Bristol.

They gave it the Bristol Stomp.

Dovells Bristol Stomp HD video Excellent quality

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:57:24am

re: #198 Danack

I disagree there. Bristol really needs a museum that focuses on it’s slave trading past. And how much money was made off selling tobacco.

Part of that museum should be how society will ignore someone’s evil behaviour if they provide enough money to their city. And the statue that will have a description of “This statue used to have a prime position in the heart of the city” would be a good example of that.

I agree, but that can only occur after schools teach nuance.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:57:32am

re: #145 sagehen

Andrew Ross Sorkin was on Colbert this week; his explanation for why stock market increases are so disconnected to the day’s events is… that it is. The stock market doesn’t reflect the “real” economy out in meatspace. It’s evidence of what investors think the real economy in general, or a specific company or sector, will be doing a year from now.

A year from now? Too much of the market is controlled by algorithms that look at what happened in the last fraction of a second.

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cat-tikvah  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:57:46am

re: #192 stpaulbear

Thanks for identifying the song.
I couldn’t place it.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:57:47am

And to fight Creeping Fossilization, I’m off to a quick march on the hamster mill.

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Danack  Jun 7, 2020 • 7:58:46am

Apparently the statue is now at the bottom of the harbour.

Oh well. it can be fished out later. And if not, meh.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:03:55am

re: #204 Danack

Apparently the statue is now at the bottom of the harbour.

Oh well. it can be fished out later. And if not, meh.

A destination for scuba divers
Like the Christ of the deep in key largo

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:05:40am

re: #182 The Pie Overlord!

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:06:47am

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

You got that one right.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:06:54am
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:08:06am

re: #208 jaunte

DT cannot spin those words painted onto that street.

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sagehen  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:08:19am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:08:42am

re: #194 Danack

How long before that morphs into “ANTIFA THUGS DESTROY STATUE OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN”.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:10:16am

re: #208 jaunte

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:10:54am

National Guard withdraws from Washington DC before troops begin dying of boredom.

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calochortus  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:11:27am

re: #191 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t she just responding to someone who insisted that the only proper pronouns for a person were “she”/”he” and basically objected to the use of “they”? So Dr. Mack was pointing out that “you” is used as both singular and plural — and that “thou” had been discarded. It sounded to me as though she was being supporting of those who want their personal pronoun to be “they”. This does seem to be separate from the TERF issue.

Apparently singular “they” is a lot older than singular “you.”

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:11:42am

re: #205 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

A destination for scuba divers
Like the Christ of the deep in key largo

Yeah, but when the statue of an old slave-trader is at the bottom of a harbor, it’s a lot harder to piss on.

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calochortus  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:12:10am

re: #215 Jay C

Yeah, but when the statue of an old slave-trader is at the bottom of a harbor, it’s a lot harder to piss on.

Fish can take care of that for you.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:12:38am

Jesus Christ, this thread. Wow. Appalling. And so disappointing.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:15:54am

re: #217 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Jesus Christ, this thread. Wow. Appalling. And so disappointing.

I’m not really surprised unfortunately. The past two presidential primary campaigns have made me aware that the left itself has a lot of self reflecting we need to do.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:17:13am

re: #217 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Jesus Christ, this thread. Wow. Appalling. And so disappointing.

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National Organization of Karens

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:17:27am

re: #215 Jay C

Yeah, but when the statue of an old slave-trader is at the bottom of a harbor, it’s a lot harder to piss on.

or flip off. I do have it on good authority that George Lincoln Rockwell’s old American Nazi Party headquarters in Arlington, Virginia is now a LGBT owned business which hopefully means in 50 years Mar al Lago will be an immigrant community center.

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:20:42am

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

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I’m kind/sorta torn here: on the one hand, Colin Powell’s disingenuous* pushing of the “WMD” line in spinning the Bush Admin’s mendacious “rationale” for the Iraq War in 2003 is, IMO, an unerasable blot on his record, and an immorally immense Fail besides.

But OTOH, seriously: ragging on him from DONALD FUCKING TRUMP??? Well-know antiwar activist Donald Trump?? (/////)

* Giving Gen. Powell the benefit of the doubt, of which it is still debatable, IMO, that he deserves

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:24:08am

re: #216 calochortus

Fish can take care of that for you.

As W.C. Fields would agree….

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:25:00am
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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:25:33am
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Belafon  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:26:32am

re: #221 Jay C

Any Republican that makes it easier for another Republican to vote for Biden is a other Republican that votes for Biden.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:27:34am

re: #224 jaunte

Barr is such a disgusting enabler.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:27:38am
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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:28:51am

re: #226 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

“Pepper spray is not a chemical.” Apparently it’s a magical substance not composed of molecules.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:29:04am

re: #225 Belafon

Any Republican that makes it easier for another Republican to vote for Biden is a other Republican that votes for Biden.

That’s how I look at it. It’s not like Powell will be advising Biden on Iraq for that matter too. Sometimes you need unlikely allies and Powell’s name still carries weight with people who could be persuaded to vote against Trump and for Biden.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:29:59am

re: #228 jaunte

“Pepper spray is not a chemical.” Apparently it’s a magical substance not composed of molecules.

Maybe Barr doubles as an alchemist when he’s not doing his day job which is trying to rewrite the Executive as the a despot.

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Mattand  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:32:54am

re: #221 Jay C

I’m kind/sorta torn here: on the one hand, Colin Powell’s disingenuous* pushing of the “WMD” line in spinning the Bush Admin’s mendacious “rationale” for the Iraq War in 2003 is, IMO, an unerasable blot on his record, and an immorally immense Fail besides.

But OTOH, seriously: ragging on him from DONALD FUCKING TRUMP??? Well-know antiwar activist Donald Trump?? (/////)

* Giving Gen. Powell the benefit of the doubt, which it is still debatable, IMO that he deserves

I was about to post something similar, but of a more general overview.

I read something last night that there’s an undercurrent among former GOP leaders to finally throw in the towel on Trump (because the fucking idiots somehow could not have seen him destroying the country four years ago.)

Yeah, that’s a good thing. Colin Powell speaking up is a good thing. The problem is, the article indicated that few, if any, would do the right thing for the better of the country they so profess to love: vote for Biden.

IIRC, Powell may not have voted for Trump, but like a good conservative, he refused to vote for the qualified candidate. Probably because “Wrong party” and maybe being he was infected by the three decade conservative media smear campaign against her.

Christ, one unnamed senator said he wanted Trump to lose but still have a Senate majority. Because even when these morons finally realize what a danger Trump is, they still want the power to continue destroying people’s live that his presidency has granted.

My desperate search for the bright side in this is that if these oh-so-stalwart patriots who voted for or refused to stand up to Trump can’t do the right thing, maybe it’ll push the fucking idiot “independent” voters in this country to vote Biden.

That’s all I got in the hope department right now.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:33:29am

re: #228 jaunte

“Pepper spray is not a chemical.” Apparently it’s a magical substance not composed of molecules.

I remember a few years ago some Fox bot saying it was “basically a food product.” To paraphrase a Lizard quip at the time, in Soviet Trumpistan, food eats you.

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:35:17am

re: #227 jaunte

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What a disgusting lying shitheel our AG is: why anybody gives this pigfaced cretin any more credibility than his boss Trump (i.e. ZERO) is a mystery. Well, not a mystery, but still disgusting….

An “insurrection”?? Yeah, like non-violently demonstrating in a public park is the equivalent of bombarding Fort Sumter?
And if pepper spray is so fucking benign, maybe Barr should volunteer to get a faceful of it sprayed on by a riot cop….

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Mattand  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:35:33am

re: #231 Mattand

Quick addendum: Mitt Romney was allegedly considering writing his wife’s name in as a third party candidate when he hits the polling station.

Fucking profile in courage, that one…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:35:55am

re: #231 Mattand

I was about to post something similar, but of a more general overview.

I read something last night that there’s an undercurrent among former GOP leaders to finally throw in the towel on Trump (because the fucking idiots somehow could not have seen him destroying the country four years ago.)

Yeah, that’s a good thing. Colin Powell speaking up is a good thing. The problem is, the article indicated that few, if any, would do the right thing for the better of the country they so profess to love: vote for Biden.

IIRC, Powell may not have voted for Trump, but like a good conservative, he refused to vote for the qualified candidate. Probably because “Wrong party” and maybe being he was infected by the three decade conservative media smear campaign against her.

Christ, one unnamed senator said he wanted Trump to lose but still have a Senate majority. Because even when these morons finally realize what a danger Trump is, they still want the power to continue destroying people’s live that his presidency has granted.

My desperate search for the bright side in this is that if these oh-so-stalwart patriots who voted for or refused to stand up to Trump can’t do the right thing, maybe it’ll push the fucking idiot “independent” voters in this country to vote Biden.

That’s all I got in the hope department right now.

I was surprised though to see George Will of all people hoping that the GOP loses their majority in the Senate. I don’t mind the never Trumpers that much but at the same time I do hope they do some long self-reflecting in what needs to be political wilderness years for conservatism as we’ve known it. No, we’re not ever going to get rid of conservatism in politics but conservatism as we know it is why Trump was first acceptable and now why so many Republicans stand by with him.

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calochortus  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:36:48am

re: #233 Jay C

What a disgusting lying shitheel our AG is: why anybody gives this pigfaced cretin any more credibility than his boss Trump (i.e. ZERO) is a mystery. Well, not a mystery, but still disgusting….

An “insurrection”?? Yeah, like non-violently demonstrating in a public park is the equivalent of bombarding Fort Sumter?
And if pepper spray is so fucking benign, maybe Barr should volunteer to get a faceful of it sprayed on by a riot cop….

It doesn’t have to be a riot cop. I’d be perfectly happy to take care of that for him.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:37:30am

What is with the conservative fetish for telling obvious and easily debunked lies?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:38:35am

re: #237 jaunte

What is with the conservative fetish for telling obvious and easily debunked lies?

Because they know their audience will believe it. See that town in Oregon that convinced itself that Antifa was out to get them. See how easily memes about Soros get spread in social media. Propaganda works.

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Mattand  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:39:24am

re: #235 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I was surprised though to see George Will of all people hoping that the GOP loses their majority in the Senate. I don’t mind the never Trumpers that much but at the same time I do hope they do some long self-reflecting in what needs to be political wilderness years for conservatism as we’ve known it. No, we’re not ever going to get rid of conservatism in politics but conservatism as we know it is why Trump was first acceptable and now why so many Republicans stand by with him.

My worry is that if that happens, they’ll come back from the wilderness with a candidate that has all of Trump’s evil and none of his public facing insanity.

(Eyes John Kascih nervously)

Hopefully during their time in the wilderness, they’ll get eaten by a bear, or fall into a canyon, or drown in quicksand, or something.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:39:28am

Asshole.

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stpaulbear  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:39:45am

re: #208 jaunte

Shannon Watts
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@shannonrwatts
The President struggling to spin, “I had my ass handed to me by Mayor Bowser.”

So are they pulling out Barr’s army of prison guards and ICE agents too or are those unidentified mercenaries still going to be lining up in the streets to threaten and instigate and injure people?

As has been said before, Trump, Barr and Esper are pulling out the Guard because their leadership can’t be relied upon not to balk at illegal orders.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:42:01am

re: #239 Mattand

My worry is that if that happens, they’ll come back from the wilderness with a candidate that has all of Trump’s evil and none of his public facing insanity.

(Eyes John Kascih nervously)

Hopefully during their time in the wilderness, they’ll get eaten by a bear, or fall into a canyon, or drown in quicksand, or something.

We’ll have to cross that bridge when we come to it unfortunately. What we as Democrats though can DO is value every election we can. Value your local elections as much as you do the federal elections. Get involved locally. In a few hours, I’m headed to my second anti-racism rally. Just don’t worry about what the GOP might do down the road and worry about what’s going on now.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:42:39am

re: #225 Belafon

Any Republican that makes it easier for another Republican to vote for Biden is a other Republican that votes for Biden.

…

The New York Times reports that former President George W. Bush won’t endorse — or vote for — Donald Trump for President.

In response to the report, a senior Bush aide told NBC News that the former president hasn’t indicated how he will vote.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:43:33am

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

Asshole.

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Oh yes Trump was “leading.” He’s a bloated pile of flesh who thinks his grievances at who MSNBC hires matter more than anything. Trumphumpers got a lot wrong with them that they think that thing is a leader. It’s never been a leader and it never will be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:44:06am
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:44:21am

re: #237 jaunte

Not a chemical irritant? Then step to the front of the line, take off your glasses and get sprayed, you lying piece of shit.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:45:02am

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

Walking down a street after ordering the military to brutalize peaceful protesters isn’t leading.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:45:31am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:45:58am

re: #243 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

…

I know I’m a minority here but I wouldn’t complain if W endorsed Biden. Republican voters need to hear it from their own leaders’ mouths about how fucked up Trump is.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:46:41am

re: #247 Patricia Kayden

Walking down a street after ordering the military to brutalize peaceful protesters isn’t leading.

It is however what banana republic tyrants do.

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stpaulbear  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:48:52am

re: #221 Jay C

I’m kind/sorta torn here: on the one hand, Colin Powell’s disingenuous* pushing of the “WMD” line in spinning the Bush Admin’s mendacious “rationale” for the Iraq War in 2003 is, IMO, an unerasable blot on his record, and an immorally immense Fail besides.

But OTOH, seriously: ragging on him from DONALD FUCKING TRUMP??? Well-know antiwar activist Donald Trump?? (/////)

* Giving Gen. Powell the benefit of the doubt, of which it is still debatable, IMO, that he deserves

You already know that there are armies of tweeters tweeting that they can’t possibly vote for Biden now because Powell has endorsed hiim. Ratf’ers.

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sagehen  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:50:08am

re: #249 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I know I’m a minority here but I wouldn’t complain if W endorsed Biden. Republican voters need to hear it from their own leaders’ mouths about how fucked up Trump is.

W ended his term with an approval rating of 23%; that’s lower than Nixon had the day before he resigned. Not sure W’s endorsement would be helpful at all.

(although it could remind the independents that economic collapse is a Republican trademark.)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:50:14am

re: #233 Jay C

What a disgusting lying shitheel our AG is: why anybody gives this pigfaced cretin any more credibility than his boss Trump (i.e. ZERO) is a mystery. Well, not a mystery, but still disgusting….

An “insurrection”?? Yeah, like non-violently demonstrating in a public park is the equivalent of bombarding Fort Sumter?
And if pepper spray is so fucking benign, maybe Barr should volunteer to get a faceful of it sprayed on by a riot cop….

Barr was a disgrace as Bush 41 AG; he persuaded Bush to pardon 6 officials involved in the Iran-Contra scandal. He has been waiting his entire life for a strong-man Republican President who has no regard for the Constitution. He found one under Trump, auditioned for the AG role, and is now working diligently to undermine our democracy. He needs to experience the same fate as his predecessor John Mitchell and spend time in prison. He is a liar, coward, and traitor. Let’s not forget that Epstein’s “timely” death occurred while under Barr’s custody.

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:50:51am

re: #247 Patricia K’ayden

Walking down a street after ordering the military to brutalize peaceful protesters isn’t leading.

And kneeling, in a church, with clergy present, isn’t “cowardice”: it’s respect. A concept Trump and his cult obviously have difficulty in comprehending….

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:51:56am

re: #251 stpaulbear

You already know that there are armies of tweeters tweeting that they can’t possibly vote for Biden now because Powell has endorsed hiim. Ratf’ers.

Probably from the same people who were convinced that Biden raped Tara Reade no less. I don’t take Twitter seriously as a political platform. Being five years removed from protesting Iraq on the streets of DC didn’t stop me from voting for Obama when Powell endorsed him and it won’t stop me seventeen years later for Joe. I’d rather have Powell endorse Biden than a kook like Joe Rogan.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:53:41am

re: #252 sagehen

W ended his term with an approval rating of 23%; that’s lower than Nixon had the day before he resigned. Not sure W’s endorsement would be helpful at all.

(although it could remind the independents that economic collapse is a Republican trademark.)

His approval rating isn’t that now though. I mean I just think we place way too much value on these things. Tim Kaine got written off as a boring white guy when he became Clinton’s running mate and no one looked up the fact that Kaine in fact was the first governor outside of Illinois to endorse Obama. It’s not like Joe would use W as a surrogate.

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retired cynic  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:54:26am

“Donald Trump got elected promising to build a wall to keep out what frightens him. He’s spent the last week erecting one wall after another around himself and cowering in the basement. He’s imprisoned himself. It was always going to end like this.

“It’s all real. It’s all metaphor. There’s always more.” - Hecate Demeter

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:54:56am

re: #253 Hecuba’s daughter

Barr was a disgrace as Bush 41 AG; he persuaded Bush to pardon 6 officials involved in the Iran-Contra scandal. He has been waiting his entire life for a strong-man Republican President who has no regard for the Constitution. He found one under Trump, auditioned for the AG role, and is now working diligently to undermine our democracy. He needs to experience the same fate as his predecessor John Mitchell and spend time in prison. He is a liar, coward, and traitor. Let’s not forget that Epstein’s “timely” death occurred while under Barr’s custody.

Yeah Iran-Contra is why I was laughing at Barr being described as an able public servant. Didn’t know this but he was pushing investigations into the Clintons well into the 1992 election. He’s a punkass stalking horse for those who think Republican executives should have absolute power and Democratic Presidents should be delegitimized.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:56:12am

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

Really? Cowards kneel, eh?

The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (9/9) Movie CLIP - You Bow to No One (2003) HD

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:56:33am
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retired cynic  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:56:39am

re: #257 retired cynic

“Donald Trump got elected promising to build a wall to keep out what frightens him. He’s spent the last week erecting one wall after another around himself and cowering in the basement. He’s imprisoned himself. It was always going to end like this.

“It’s all real. It’s all metaphor. There’s always more.” - Hecate Demeter

Another poster on the blog said DT could get away with man-handling protestors in DC because they lack proper representation. Point.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:57:18am

re: #261 retired cynic

Another poster on the blog said DT could get away with man-handling protestors in DC because they lack proper representation. Point.

DC really needs to get statehood. PR too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:57:47am

re: #260 jaunte

The police aren’t there to cause disorder. They’re there to preserve the disorder. Or whatever it was Daley said.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:58:04am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 7, 2020 • 8:59:38am

re: #221 Jay C

But OTOH, seriously: ragging on him from DONALD FUCKING TRUMP??? Well-know antiwar activist Donald Trump?? (/////)

When it comes to Toddler Trump, it boils down to “Watch what he says, and watch what he does.” It was only a few days ago he announced a major draw-down of US forces in Germany - let’s see if it actually happens.

If Trump really got serious about any kind of significant draw-down, the military-industrial complex would make damn sure he’s a one-term president.

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calochortus  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:08:47am

re: #259 Dr Lizardo

Really? Cowards kneel, eh?

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Please try to pay attention.
Kneeling in church: Good. Shows respect.
Kneeling with protesters: Bad. Shows subservience.
Kneeling in front of flag: Bad. Shows disrespect. Unless you’re white and showing reverence as in kneeling in church.

Why is this so hard to understand?
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:09:44am

re: #260 jaunte

Maybe it’s time for reporters to equip their vehicles with aramid-fiber tires just like the cop cars have.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:11:33am

re: #266 calochortus

Please try to pay attention.
Kneeling in church: Good. Shows respect.
Kneeling with protesters: Bad. Shows subservience.
Kneeling in front of flag: Bad. Shows disrespect. Unless you’re white and showing reverence as in kneeling in church.

Why is this so hard to understand?
///

Kap actually got the idea to kneel from a Green Beret turned NFL player. That’s why this crap about how Kap was disrespecting the military always bothered me. No one fucking listened to Nate Boyer but they were happy to listen to the fucking asshole who likened the STDs he got to what men in Vietnam experienced on the battlefield. A lot of people in this country have a really simplistic idea of what patriotism is and I really blame how 9/11 was responded to in a lot of ways for that.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:11:54am

re: #267 Eric The Fruit Bat

Looks like a lot of them were rentals. The rental car companies need to start suing the PBA’s.

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:19:52am

re: #237 jaunte

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What is with the conservative fetish for telling obvious and easily debunked lies?

It isn’t a fetish. It’s a long-term consequence of lying. You lose the compass which tells you what you can get away with. And that’s just one of the consequences.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:20:09am

Oh and if you want to see how respectful Trump really is about the National Anthem. Look at him during the Super Bowl last year when the anthem was played. He just did what he always did. Played patriot for his idiot cult who are actually dumb enough to think the the man who said he liked service members who didn’t get captured has any respect for military service.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:22:16am

Current U.S. Coronavirus deaths are at just under 110 000.

That means in a few days time we’ll have lost more Americans to Covid-19 than we lost in combat during the First World War.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:26:01am

re: #271 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Oh and if you want to see how respectful Trump really is about the National Anthem. Look at him during the Super Bowl last year when the anthem was played. He just did what he always did. Played patriot for his idiot cult who are actually dumb enough to think the the man who said he liked service members who didn’t get captured has any respect for military service.

Does Melania have her left hand over her heart or is the video reversed? I remember how wingnuts spammed FB & Twitter with fake photo of the Obamas using left hands.

Footage Shows President Trump Mocking The National Anthem During Super Bowl LIV | NowThis

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calochortus  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:28:44am

Time to head out for some much needed exercise on this lovely cool morning.

Laterz.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:29:57am

re: #273 The Pie Overlord!

Does Melania have her left hand over her heart or is the video reversed? I remember how wingnuts spammed FB & Twitter with fake photo of the Obamas using left hands.

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I’m not sure. I don’t care about Melania. I do care about him since he still thinks he’s the patriotism police.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:37:00am

re: #217 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Jesus Christ, this thread. Wow. Appalling. And so disappointing.

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I’m neither black nor female, and won’t talk to this issue. What I will talk to is an unmistakable attack on every crack, every compromise and contradiction, in the anti-reactionary coalition. We are being played.

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mmmirele  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:39:17am

re: #254 Jay C

And kneeling, in a church, with clergy present, isn’t “cowardice”: it’s respect. A concept Trump and his cult obviously have difficulty in comprehending….

You know, I’m old enough to remember that in some liturgical churches (thinking Catholic, Episcopalian) that people used to kneel at certain points of the service to show respect and worship. But of course Donnie the Thug would never do that.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:40:28am

re: #277 mmmirele

You know, I’m old enough to remember that in some liturgical churches (thinking Catholic, Episcopalian) that people used to kneel at certain points of the service to show respect and worship. But of course Donnie the Thug would never do that.

Vatican Calisthenics.

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mmmirele  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:41:31am

re: #278 Decatur Deb

Vatican Calisthenics.

Tom Lehrer - The Vatican Rag - fabulous version - LIVE FILM From Copenhagen in 1967

The Vatican Rag!

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garzooma  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:45:46am

re: #223 jaunte

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Barr on Lafayette Park: They were not peaceful protesters. And that’s one of the big lies that the media seems to be perpetuating.

Let him show the security footage that shows that.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:46:46am

re: #279 mmmirele

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Video

The Vatican Rag!

Brilliant rhyming.

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:46:57am

re: #280 garzooma

Let him show the security footage that shows that.

Over/under on it being inaccessible because “national security”?

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:47:31am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:49:00am

re: #283 DodgerFan1988

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Don’t Cry for Me, Mar-a-Lago.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:50:35am

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:51:32am

re: #285 The Pie Overlord!

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:51:33am

re: #192 stpaulbear

Lol. It took me a minute to realize that Randy Rainbow song was based on The Jitterbug, a dance number that was cut from the final version of The Wizard of Oz. My gay genes are slipping.

Start getting old and retired you lose a step. :-)

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:52:22am
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Mattand  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:52:30am

re: #249 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I know I’m a minority here but I wouldn’t complain if W endorsed Biden. Republican voters need to hear it from their own leaders’ mouths about how fucked up Trump is.

I don’t think you are. That’s exactly what I was talking about above. My entire life, the GOP has constantly run on this “We’re the true patriots” messaging. Now that we’ve discovered some of them have a bridge too far (because apparently running child concentration camps wasn’t it), they still will not step up and do the right thing for the country they supposedly love.

I will happily celebrate someone like W openly saying “I’m voting for Biden.” But they can’t. They are looking for every possible loophole to somehow condemn Trump without taking the needed and adult action of voting for the one candidate who has the chance of beating him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:54:05am

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 7, 2020 • 9:55:39am

re: #290 Eclectic Cyborg

That is the best one I seen so far.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:01:53am
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retired cynic  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:17:16am

What’s a journalist supposed to be now — an activist? A stenographer? You’re asking the wrong question. by Margaret Brennan, WaPo

What if we framed coverage with this question at the forefront: What journalism best serves the real interests of American citizens?
Make decisions with that in mind, and at least some of the knotty problems get smoothed out.
Using that lens, Cotton’s views should be known, but not amplified and normalized within the prized real estate that is the op-ed page of the New York Times. Rather than present it as stamped with the imprimatur of the Times opinion pages, why not examine it in a news story that can provide context and can interrogate the facts he advances?
And what about these journalists whom so many want to criticize as taking on the role of activists?
I am enough of a traditionalist that I don’t like to see mainstream reporters acting like partisans — for example, by working on political campaigns.
But it’s more than acceptable that they should stand up for civil rights — for press rights, for racial justice, for gender equity, and against economic inequality.

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:18:28am

re: #292 jaunte

And since when has Donald Trump ever done anything other than rely on cheap puerile insults as a mainstay of his Twitter communications to his base (because I can’t imagine anybody not already in the Trump Cult taking his gibbering crapola seriously…..)?

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BeachDem  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:19:54am

re: #283 DodgerFan1988

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And the money kept rolling in from every side
Eva’s pretty hands reached out and they reached wide
Now you may feel it should have been a voluntary cause
But that’s not the point my friends

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:22:55am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:24:27am

re: #292 jaunte

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See also mocking Biden for being in his basement and the bunker. We totally underestimated how sexism benefited Trump in 2016. I know I did.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:27:22am

re: #289 Mattand

I don’t think you are. That’s exactly what I was talking about above. My entire life, the GOP has constantly run on this “We’re the true patriots” messaging. Now that we’ve discovered some of them have a bridge too far (because apparently running child concentration camps wasn’t it), they still will not step up and do the right thing for the country they supposedly love.

I will happily celebrate someone like W openly saying “I’m voting for Biden.” But they can’t. They are looking for every possible loophole to somehow condemn Trump without taking the needed and adult action of voting for the one candidate who has the chance of beating him.

Yeah I know. The patriotism shit has always bothered me a lot because we’ve both seen how they treat Democratic vets. I don’t like the Never Trumpers but I’m okay with using them to beat Trump and then letting them watch them watch conservatism as they know it become discredited.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:30:13am

re: #236 calochortus

If it’s just a benign food product, then adding it to an omelet or a bowl of chili should be no problem, right?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:32:01am

re: #299 A Mom Anon

It is guaranteed to give your eggs a kick. /half

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:34:14am

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:38:22am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:39:08am

Mitch Albom, longtime mensch of the Detroit Free Press, pretty much sums up professional sports from a Detroit point if view:

So what does it all mean? Well, to sum it up: for now, in mid-June, it seems likely we will see some sports — without fans — before the summer is out.

Unless you live in Detroit, in which case basketball is out, hockey is out, baseball may never start, and once again, it could all come down to the Lions.

Heaven help us.

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:46:31am

And if AG Barr’s blatherings about the Confederacy and pepper gas weren’t infuriating enough: here’s another gem from the Washington Post* from his interview with Margaret Brennan on CBS:

Attorney General William P. Barr signaled Sunday that he was reluctant to open a broad “pattern or practice” investigation into possible systemic problems at the Minneapolis Police Department, arguing that the actions of one officer do not necessarily indicate widespread problems.

The comments came during an appearance on CBS News’s “Face the Nation.” Pressing Barr on his views on whether there are systemic problems with policing in the United States, host Margaret Brennan asked “doesn’t opening the pattern-or-practice investigation into a place like Minneapolis, where there are questions about the broader issues with policing — it wasn’t just the one officer — wouldn’t that answer that question?”

***

“That’s exactly the reaction that I think has been a problem in the past, which is … just reacting to this incident by immediately putting the department under investigation doesn’t necessarily result in improving the situation,” Barr said, noting that state authorities were already examining the department.

“We stand ready to act if we think it’s necessary,” Barr said. “But I don’t think necessarily starting a pattern-or-practice investigation at this stage is warranted.”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:53:40am
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:55:13am
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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:56:16am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2020 • 10:56:22am

Nate Silver is being a total jackass again.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:00:32am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:02:17am

re: #308 Charles Johnson

Nate Silver is being a total jackass again.

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I get his point - one of the common statistical biases is weighted questions - but really, Nate, how else would you phrase it? It’s the truth.

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Targetpractice  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:03:21am

re: #308 Charles Johnson

Nate Silver is being a total jackass again.

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Meanwhile, IRL, the viral outbreak has not ended and current evidence indicates that “reopening” is leading to the very rise in new cases that the experts predicted would happen in the fall/winter.

It’s also hard to gauge the actual effect that “reopening” is having on the economy because of deliberate efforts by Repubs to cook the books, such as forcing any business that took a PPP loan to rehire their staff in order to qualify for loan forgiveness, leading businesses in states that have “reopened” to rush returning staff to work in order to avoid loan payments.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:03:43am

re: #308 Charles Johnson

Nate Silver is being a total jackass again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:16:16am

The orange fuckmuppet has literally spent the last hour retweeting HIMSELF.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:23:48am

re: #297 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

See also mocking Biden for being in his basement and the bunker. We totally underestimated how sexism benefited Trump in 2016. I know I did.

Who’s this We, kimosabe? Many of us said this (then and now) and were disregarded and told we were wrong.

Not picking on anyone, especially you, but we women know what we live with, what we see and hear. We recognized the reality that America isn’t ready to view for a woman.

Black men got the vote decades before women did. Maybe America will be ready for a woman POTUS in a couple of decades.

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Targetpractice  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:24:14am

re: #309 Charles Johnson

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What’s driving me nuts is that the pundits are actively creating the environment that Donny and Repubs are looking to exploit (ex: job reports “celebration” on Friday), namely the idea that the crisis is over or “the worst has passed” and it’s time to start analyzing the results as though people aren’t still dying by the hundreds.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:32:33am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:34:51am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:37:49am

I had a dream Saturday night that I was back home. Opened the door to my old house and Mom is screaming at a flat screen TV because Trump is on it. Mom picked up a baseball bat, walked into the TV and whacked Trump repeatedly with the baseball bat…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:38:01am

re: #317 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Because officers are so trustworthy these days.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:38:10am

re: #314 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Who’s this We, kimosabe? Many of us said this (then and now) and were disregarded and told we were wrong.

Not picking on anyone, especially you, but we women know what we live with, what we see and hear. We recognized the reality that America isn’t ready to view for a woman.

Black men got the vote decades before women did. Maybe America will be ready for a woman POTUS in a couple of decades.

I guess I’m saying that I’m guilty of having underestimated structural sexism’s role in Clinton’s not just defeat but what’s happened to her post candidacy. I think a lot of we and by we I was thinking as a millennial white man. There’s a lot of people like me who should have been cognitive and outspoken about the difference between Trump and Clinton.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:39:07am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:39:24am

re: #317 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Jeezus

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:42:51am
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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:44:38am
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:46:33am

There is no curfew in Philly today.
whyy.org

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:47:07am

Did anyone have Tom Arnold, Mark Wahlberg and Ben Carson on their Trending Twitter Bingo Cards today?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:47:58am

re: #324 Dread Pirate

“Why the fuck should we listen to you when your country is falling apart?”

Sad to say, it’s a valid question.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:51:13am

Truer words were never spoken. This +10000

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:53:55am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:54:37am

re: #327 Eclectic Cyborg

“Why the fuck should we listen to you when your country is falling apart?”

Sad to say, it’s a valid question.

All empires fall.

The world is turning on the United States and we are no longer the indispensable nation.

More countries are dumping the dollar as the world’s reserve currency and if Trump does steal another election I fully expect the rest of the world to dump US stocks and they will begin to impose economic sanctions on us.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 7, 2020 • 11:56:21am

re: #289 Mattand

I don’t think you are. That’s exactly what I was talking about above. My entire life, the GOP has constantly run on this “We’re the true patriots” messaging. Now that we’ve discovered some of them have a bridge too far (because apparently running child concentration camps wasn’t it), they still will not step up and do the right thing for the country they supposedly love.

I will happily celebrate someone like W openly saying “I’m voting for Biden.” But they can’t. They are looking for every possible loophole to somehow condemn Trump without taking the needed and adult action of voting for the one candidate who has the chance of beating him.

There are only two choices
Trump or Biden
Pick one
If you don’t support trump, voting third party doesn’t get you what you want.
And not voting for either is not a principled stand.
It is cowardice

You don’t even have to “support” Biden
What you have to do is vote in a manner that assures trump is out
That’s voting biden

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:00:11pm
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:01:20pm

re: #321 goddamnedfrank

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What’s he going for?
All natural flavoring?
Organic?
Non GMO?
No additives?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:04:20pm

re: #333 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

He is trying to leave some options open for DT to get those R’s who do not vote for him in the General Election.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:09:35pm
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retired cynic  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:09:38pm

re: #320 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I guess I’m saying that I’m guilty of having underestimated structural sexism’s role in Clinton’s not just defeat but what’s happened to her post candidacy. I think a lot of we and by we I was thinking as a millennial white man. There’s a lot of people like me who should have been cognitive and outspoken about the difference between Trump and Clinton.

Partly it is sexism, and partly IOKIYAR. Republicans who lose run for the Senate, speak out, run for President again, are on all the TV shows. Clinton is not supposed to say anything, and if Obama says anything, he is likely to be hit for it.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:10:32pm
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lawhawk  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:13:54pm

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Fuck Trump and fuck the mendacious GOP and media that continues to try and mbf the hell out of events.

Is it good that we’re finally seeing GOPers and those who served in prior administrations speaking out about Trump now? Absolutely. What the fuck took them this long to recognize Trump was a clear and present danger and a threat to the nation? If not the covid19 failure, if not the calling of troops and gassing peaceful protesters, then why not when Trump extorted Ukraine to go after Biden or surrounding himself with undeclared foreign agents and felony conduct that included being a unindicted coconspirator in federal felonies.

Everything Trump has touched dies. The GOP deserves to die.

But I think we have a future.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:14:37pm

They’re bringing out the auditory weapons.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:14:43pm

re: #327 Eclectic Cyborg

“Why the fuck should we listen to you when your country is falling apart?”

Sad to say, it’s a valid question.

Hopefully the answer from November will be that because our country can resist even internal attempts to undermine our freedoms.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:16:56pm

re: #339 Charles Johnson

Charles Please get a good screen shot of that FL plate.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:17:45pm

re: #335 The Pie Overlord!

Same with the whole STFUHillary hashtag. All bots spewing the same talking points word for word.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:34:57pm

re: #314 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Who’s this We, kimosabe? Many of us said this (then and now) and were disregarded and told we were wrong.

Not picking on anyone, especially you, but we women know what we live with, what we see and hear. We recognized the reality that America isn’t ready to view for a woman.

Black men got the vote decades before women did. Maybe America will be ready for a woman POTUS in a couple of decades.

Thread is dead, but still I must remind you that we did elect a woman in 2016. She won the largest popular vote margin ever.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2020 • 12:37:36pm

re: #339 Charles Johnson

“…LRAD is fundamentally changing the way law enforcement agencies conduct everyday duties and elevated risk operations. LRAD systems ensure law enforcement’s warnings, commands and notifications are clearly heard and understood in every operational situation. Rugged, reliable, and easy to operate, LRAD resolves uncertain situations, safeguards the public and protects police officers.”
genasys.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2020 • 1:03:48pm

re: #341 PhillyPretzel

Charles Please get a good screen shot of that FL plate.

indeed, that device is not on a law enforcement vehicle

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 7, 2020 • 2:18:42pm

re: #64 gwangung

Math is precise. English is most definitely NOT precise…that’s what allows it poetry, grace and expressiveness.

And puns. Don’t forget the puns.


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