Simply Amazing: Dirty Loops, “Rock You”

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It’s pop music, sure, but on a whole ‘nother dirty level.

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Drums by Aron Mellergård
Bass by Henrik Linder
Vocal/Keys by Jonah Nilsson
Additional Percussion by Andreas Ekstedt
Additional Horns by Patrik Eriksson, Olle HedstrÖm Berg, Mattias Lejdal, and Mats Hermansson

Mixed/Mastered by Simon Petrén
Filmed by Simon Petrén

Management:
Quincy Jones Productions
Adam Fell / Armando Abate
info@quincyjones.com

Booking Agent:
Artist Group International
Michael Arfin
mike.arfin@artistgrp.com

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447 comments

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b.d. (Boring Competence 2020!)  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:15:23pm

¡dɯnɹ┴ ʞɔ*Ⅎ

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:16:03pm

took me a minute, but it’s worth it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:18:25pm

re: #300 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

So, I’m confused. Is the GOP thing in Florida still on? They cancelled NC, right?

Left hanging on the last thread.

re: #383 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Trump Official Says It’s ‘Too Early To Tell’ Whether GOP Convention In Florida Can Happen Safely (Forbes)

They will sacrifice their delegates on the altar of their religion. Unfortunately, lots of people in Jacksonville who didn’t want this will also be affected.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:18:31pm

Another new high in US daily cases!

So much winning!

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stpaulbear  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:18:41pm

re: #2 I Would Prefer Not To

Yep. I’d seen a variation with just the four-digit year.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:18:59pm
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plansbandc  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:20:59pm

Love it, Charles. Fabulous. I would love to go see them. And they are so subtle. :D

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:21:16pm

re: #2 I Would Prefer Not To

took me a minute, but it’s worth it.

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Easy when you’ve worked in restaurants with the 86.

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Teukka  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:23:51pm

re: #2 I Would Prefer Not To

took me a minute, biut it’s worth it.

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Alternate would be 8645110320, maybe formatted as a phone # to throw ppl off, 864-511-O32O…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:24:24pm

Mrs. Fish’s primary ballot has been filled out and is set to be returned tomorrow. In this house, we vote.

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plansbandc  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:24:32pm

re: #2 I Would Prefer Not To

I get it, but math shit frustrates the hell out of me.

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Belafon  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:27:00pm

re: #11 plansbandc

I get it, but math shit frustrates the hell out of me.

Luckily that wasn’t math.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:27:10pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:27:56pm

re: #3 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Left hanging on the last thread.

I responded. I’m perfectly ok with the GOP sacrificing their delegatesb in Tampa.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:31:53pm

U Wash has updated and extended its CV-19 projections to 1 Nov. Mainline now calls for 208,255 US dead.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:31:55pm

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makeitstop  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:32:21pm

Dirty Loops are goddamn scary.

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makeitstop  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:36:04pm

Also - Lincoln Project is absolutely relentless.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:40:10pm

Florida is filling any pestilence gaps with an outbreak of Dengue Fever.

11th case of dengue fever confirmed in Florida Keys
cbsnews.com

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:42:37pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:43:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:45:11pm

re: #334 cat-tikvah

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Dragonomics  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:47:52pm

re: #19 Decatur Deb

But they have introduced those GM sterilized Male mosquitos in the keys… or they’re set to… either way… the fewer mosquitoes the better, and it’s been proven to work in SA. I’d dig it for SoCal. Once was a time, we lounged outside without a care… no more.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:48:06pm

I did not know she was married to Alan Grayson. 👀

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Belafon  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:48:18pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:49:39pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:53:25pm

re: #26 Patricia Kayden

Save a Florida bed for my DIL. She’s been showing possible symptoms for 3 days, trying to get a test.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2020 • 6:53:33pm
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plansbandc  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:00:01pm

Your evening cuteness:

Mr. Knightly doesn’t like the bath.

This little dude was posted in one of my chiweenie groups. So precious.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:00:25pm

re: #27 Decatur Deb

Save a Florida bed for my DIL. She’s been showing possible symptoms for 3 days, trying to get a test.

Sorry to hear that.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:02:06pm

Sigh.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:03:35pm

re: #30 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sorry to hear that.

Could be a Summer cold, but the two of them get to stew over it until they get an answer. Son was working Air Force IT in Boston, but they sent his team to work at home…in Florida.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:03:55pm

One thing I am not worried about is enough prison space for all the future Republican convicts. We have hundreds of thousands of non-violent drug offenders who can be paroled.

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teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:04:14pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:04:39pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

Could be a Summer cold, but the two of them get to stew over it until they get an answer. Son was working Air Force IT in Boston, but they sent his team to work at home…in Florida.

Ouch, that’s no bueno.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:08:14pm

Okay that is not mere Pop Music. Taylor Swift (edited for correctness) is pop music. Dirty Loops? Many levels above.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:14:20pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:14:26pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

The responses in that thread are hysterical!!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:15:39pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

On that Kanye anti-vaxxer statement and the bullshyte if you’re “chipped you can’t cross the gates of Heaven” nonsense, who knew God could be thwarted by a piece of silicon or germanium?

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:16:06pm

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

One thing I am not worried about is enough prison space for all the future Republican convicts. We have hundreds of thousands of non-violent drug offenders who can be paroled.

If justice were to be truly served, we would still need more prisons. //

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:16:35pm

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Time for more wheels?

In the market for a pirate bus? It’s all yours for $50,000

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A gallion bus, no? 😂

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makeitstop  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:17:05pm

re: #36 Rightwingconspirator

Okay that is not mere Pop Music. Taylor Swift (edited for correctness) is pop music. Dirty Loops? Many levels above.

Back when Charles first posted their ‘Work Shit Out’ video, I sent it to an old friend who happens to be a monster drummer who’s so good he’s kinda jaded.

He was so impressed, he was actually mad at the drummer. But he absolutely loves them.

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William Lewis  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:18:18pm

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Time for more wheels?

In the market for a pirate bus? It’s all yours for $50,000

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Wonder if the frame could handle a 20mm Hispano on each side? If you’re gonna be a pirate, ya gotta have canons!

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makeitstop  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:19:10pm

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

On that Kanye anti-vaxxer statement and the bullshyte if you’re “chipped you can’t cross the gates of Heaven” nonsense, who knew God could be thwarted by a piece of silicon or germanium?

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That Miller dude really loves putting people on notice. He says that in just about every tweet.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:20:11pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Also - Lincoln Project is absolutely relentless.

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I hope the Lincoln Project has a few commercials for after the election when it will be time to go after trump and his comrades in the courts.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:20:33pm

re: #45 makeitstop

That Miller dude really loves putting people on notice. He says that in just about every tweet.

That guys fucking nuts. Please tell me he had no chance of winning.

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makeitstop  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:21:54pm

re: #47 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That guys fucking nuts. Please tell me he had no chance of winning.

You got me. I initially though it was satire, but he appears to be legitimately running for Congress.

He is fuckin’ crazy, though.

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mmmirele  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:21:57pm

This was posted on the previous thread but I wanted to comment on it.

32% of U.S. households missed their July housing payments

cnbc.com

If you read the article, it includes both rent and mortgage payments and points out that 90 percent of all households had paid some or all of their rent or mortgage for June by the end of June. But then it talks about how late fees are going to put people even further behind and fuel evictions.

The point I wanted to make is that banks are going to be reporting their second quarter earnings very soon. In fact, my evil too big to fail employer is reporting on Tuesday, July 14. Our earnings are already going to take a hit from a Fed requirement for additional funds due to stress test results and the dividend is going to be down. In fact, I see one site is reporting we’re going to have negative earnings(?!?).

That said, watch for what banks’ earnings reports say about loans in arrears. Not just home mortgages, but also commercial real estate loans. The latter is where large apartment complexes sit. Based on my experience working in commercial real estate, these loans will go off a cliff in the current economy. And so many of these loans have been collateralized and sold into investment vehicles, if they start going bust, it will be ugly. I am NOT saying they will. I am saying that is a very real possibility—along with families getting evicted.

This is completely sucktastic and it didn’t have to happen, but it did. Grrrrr.

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:30:18pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Watching this group do the logistics of moving statues around to disease ridden political venues & remote Federal sites would be worthy of a plot for a redneck-sploitation comedy movie.

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jaunte  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:30:35pm
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jaunte  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:31:09pm

re: #50 So Cal Greek Hippie

“Monument Mopes”

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makeitstop  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:35:27pm

Not sure, but I think Cuomo is telling Trump and his crew to butt out.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:35:30pm

re: #44 William Lewis

Wonder if the frame could handle a 20mm Hispano on each side? If you’re gonna be a pirate, ya gotta have canons!

Recoil force is 400 kgf per cannon. Typical bus weighs ~11,000 kg, so we’ll call it 12,000 with all the added decoration and the cannons. That means each pair of shots will apply a negative acceleration of 0.65 m/s^2. A bus is generally capable of pushing out 1.2 m/s^2 of acceleration when considering passengers, so at a first approximation, it appears the bus should be able to drive and fire.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:36:36pm

More than 62,000 cases in the US Today. Most schools are not opening. Parents are going to tell the schools to fuck off unless they have no alternatives. Teachers will have half their students in class and half out. Good luck with that.

I think Democrats should be pushing for solving the crisis first.

FT

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gocart mozart  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:37:25pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:37:43pm

re: #44 William Lewis

Wonder if the frame could handle a 20mm Hispano on each side? If you’re gonna be a pirate, ya gotta have canons!

Excuse me sir that is Canon and I don’t refer to religious… LOL

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Thanos  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:38:01pm

Wow, that was … stunning. Haven’t heard rhythm that tight, that infectious in a great while.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:40:01pm
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:40:38pm

The New York Times: “Mary Trump’s tell-all book is absolutely spot on”

Sean Hannity/Fox News: “Biden Uses the Word Woke Incorrectly”

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:40:52pm

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makeitstop  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:40:56pm

re: #58 Thanos

Wow, that was … stunning. Haven’t heard rhythm that tight, that infectious in a great while.

And they’re playing to a track with the horns and background vocals! Their timing is just ridiculously good, staying in time with a track is not at all easy.

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makeitstop  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:42:53pm

From my wife:

How do you turn a duck into a soul singer?

Put it in the oven until its bill withers!

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:47:18pm
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Jay C  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:49:21pm

re: #53 makeitstop

Not sure, but I think Cuomo is telling Trump and his crew to butt out.

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I saw a clip of Gov. Cuomo giving this statement for the news.
His voice was telling Trump it was the State’s decision.
His eyes were definitely adding the “fuck you”….

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:51:30pm

re: #47 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That guys fucking nuts. Please tell me he had no chance of winning.

He is running as an independent in FL-18 against the winners of the GOP and Democratic primaries on August 18. The seat is currently held by Brian Mast (R)

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:51:41pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:53:26pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:54:19pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:54:48pm

The GOP rapid respomse team should have took more time responding

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makeitstop  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:55:38pm

LOL

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:56:12pm
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:57:01pm

re t. Duckworth
check the chyron

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calochortus  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:57:29pm

re: #55 I Would Prefer Not To

More than 62,000 cases in the US Today. Most schools are not opening. Parents are going to tell the schools to fuck off unless they have no alternatives. Teachers will have half their students in class and half out. Good luck with that.

I think Democrats should be pushing for solving the crisis first.

FT

Trouble is, you can’t send parents back to work unless their 10 year old kid has somewhere to go.

Now, apparently young children are not efficient Covid vectors. They can get it. They can pass it on. But not like older kids and adults do.

The American Pediatrics Association (or whatever order those words come in) says children need to go back to school.
The thing is, that assumes someone at the federal level gives a rat’s posterior about testing, contact tracing, and helping fund the necessary changes at schools to keep everyone as safe as possible.

We’re now in our 5th month of dealing (or not dealing) with Covid, and Trump and his toadies have just decided to give up while keep themselves safe. We have months ahead of us before we can get competent leadership at the national level.
I am angry and frustrated. (Can you tell?)

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:58:08pm

re: #2 I Would Prefer Not To

But does Melania 6945? Ewwww! ////

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:59:35pm
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Amory Blaine  Jul 8, 2020 • 7:59:50pm

I went to high school with that loon Jenna Jameson. Also one of my history teachers at the same school used to play for the Rams.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:00:06pm

re: #59 Dread Pirate

A Lancaster, Tex. seventeen year-old died. Cornyn is lying.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:01:02pm
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makeitstop  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:03:42pm

I saw a lot of people being mad about recording artists getting PPP money, but I’d rather see MCR or Pearl Jam get the money to support their crew than Trump’s people stealing it.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:04:58pm

re: #77 Amory Blaine

Ahhh. I remembered wrong. He played for the Lakers.

en.m.wikipedia.org

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calochortus  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:06:32pm

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

A Lancaster, Tex. seventeen year-old died. Cornyn is lying.

Also, I’m sure I’ve said it here before, but as a woman, I get a teeny bit suspicious when people want to “protect” any given group, be it women, older people, minorities, whatever. They tend to be protected out of their rights and pushed off where no one will have to see them.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:07:43pm
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Jay C  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:10:30pm

re: #72 Patricia Kayden

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Actually, in US history, 7 incumbent Presidents have lost bids for re-election: 3 in the 19th Century and 4 in the 20th (Taft, Hoover, Carter and GHWBush)

Let’s see if we can make it 8…

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NetworkKed  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:16:02pm

re: #74 calochortus

Trouble is, you can’t send parents back to work unless their 10 year old kid has somewhere to go.

Now, apparently young children are not efficient Covid vectors. They can get it. They can pass it on. But not like older kids and adults do.

This is an interesting statement - do you have any cites for that? I’ve seen the numbers that kids have the lowest death rates, but nothing at all to suggest they’re less likely to pass it along. Given that parents are going to inevitably be in close contact with their children and kids are going to be less cautious about distancing I’d guess that schools would be major hubs for transmission.

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teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:18:57pm

70 or so miles southeast of Anymouse.

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gocart mozart  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:19:38pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:22:31pm
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calochortus  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:25:18pm

re: #85 NetworkKed

This is an interesting statement - do you have any cites for that? I’ve seen the numbers that kids have the lowest death rates, but nothing at all to suggest they’re less likely to pass it along. Given that parents are going to inevitably be in close contact with their children and kids are going to be less cautious about distancing I’d guess that schools would be major hubs for transmission.

My-daughter-the-pediatrician says that appears to be the case. However, no one is positive, here is a decent summary When you break out the younger kids, there is decent evidence that they aren’t prime vectors, possibly because they just don’t put out the volume of breath and hence fewer viruses. But, like everything about Covid, nothing is certain.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:28:36pm

This thread is something.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:36:45pm
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John Hughes  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:37:38pm

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Is that a DUKW hidden under there?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:40:23pm

re: #89 calochortus

My-daughter-the-pediatrician says that appears to be the case. However, no one is positive, here is a decent summary When you break out the younger kids, there is decent evidence that they aren’t prime vectors, possibly because they just don’t put out the volume of breath and hence fewer viruses. But, like everything about Covid, nothing is certain.

Here’s my point about kids. The young ones are not going to be very good at social distancing with their peers or with grandma. They may be less likely to pass the virus to others, but will have many more opportunities than responsible adults. I come into contact with people two or three times a day (always wearing a mask). Kids probably interact with that many per hour if not more. The contacts add up. Add the fact that schools are overcrowded and you have more kids getting exposed and getting sick. The percent may be low, but if it was my child…

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John Hughes  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:43:28pm

re: #54 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Recoil force is 400 kgf per cannon.

What fresh hell is this? Kg is a unit of mass, not force. Do you perchance mean Kg*g (where g is the acceleration due to gravity at the earth’s surface, roughly 9.8ms-2), i.e around 4000N?

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calochortus  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:43:53pm

re: #93 I Would Prefer Not To

Here’s my point about kids. The young ones are not going to be very good at social distancing with their peers or with grandma. They may be less likely to pass the virus to others, but will have many more opportunities than responsible adults. I come into contact with people two or three times a day (always wearing a mask). Kids probably interact with that many per hour if not more. The contacts add up. Add the fact that schools are overcrowded and you have more kids getting exposed and getting sick. The percent may be low, but if it was my child…

And hence the need for testing, contact tracing and all those other steps we’re not taking.

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John Hughes  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:45:42pm

re: #56 gocart mozart

Socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders brags that the policies Joe Biden has adopted “will make Biden the most progressive president since FDR”

Certainly more progressive than President Sanders. Since Sanders will never be president.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:46:47pm
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calochortus  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:46:57pm

re: #95 calochortus

And hence the need for testing, contact tracing and all those other steps we’re not taking.

What is the alternative? We are months away from the most optimistic projections for a vaccine. The country can’t simply shut down for another 6 months or a year. We need a plan and we need action. Apparently Trump isn’t interested and the GOP hasn’t gotten to the point where they will break with him.

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sagehen  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:47:53pm

re: #89 calochortus

My-daughter-the-pediatrician says that appears to be the case. However, no one is positive, here is a decent summary When you break out the younger kids, there is decent evidence that they aren’t prime vectors, possibly because they just don’t put out the volume of breath and hence fewer viruses. But, like everything about Covid, nothing is certain.

and when they do breathe on you, they’re breathing on your knees.

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calochortus  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:49:03pm

re: #99 sagehen

and when they do breathe on you, they’re breathing on your knees.

True, unless it’s your grandchild and you just can’t help bending down for a hug.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:50:10pm
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John Hughes  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:50:32pm

re: #73 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Senator, Iraq War vet and Purple heart recipient (Note: that’s one person)…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:50:50pm

re: #91 Dread Pirate

I hate medium but this is interesting.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:52:04pm

re: #74 calochortus

Trouble is, you can’t send parents back to work unless their 10 year old kid has somewhere to go.

Now, apparently young children are not efficient Covid vectors. They can get it. They can pass it on. But not like older kids and adults do.

The American Pediatrics Association (or whatever order those words come in) says children need to go back to school.
The thing is, that assumes someone at the federal level gives a rat’s posterior about testing, contact tracing, and helping fund the necessary changes at schools to keep everyone as safe as possible.

We’re now in our 5th month of dealing (or not dealing) with Covid, and Trump and his toadies have just decided to give up while keep themselves safe. We have months ahead of us before we can get competent leadership at the national level.
I am angry and frustrated. (Can you tell?)

Until today, the largest age group with the disease in the Panhandle was 10-19. The second largest age group was 40-49. It is an anecdotal observation, but it appears to me that children catch it and give it to their parents, or the other way round.

What determines whether someone catches an infectious disease is pretty much dependent on 1) how virulent, 2) viral load (how many viruses), and 3) immunity or ability to fight it off.

Put fifteen little asymptomatic children in one closed room with poor circulation, and the teacher gets it. A hundred or more in one school and pretty much everyone gets it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:55:21pm

re: #98 calochortus

What is the alternative? We are months away from the most optimistic projections for a vaccine. The country can’t simply shut down for another 6 months or a year. We need a plan and we need action. Apparently Trump isn’t interested and the GOP hasn’t gotten to the point where they will break with him.

If we had a functioning government there would be options but we don’t so I don’t know.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:57:03pm

re: #74 calochortus

Additionally, conservatives cherry-picked one line out of the APA statement to misrepresent what the American Association of Pediatrics actually said.

Shocking, I know. They then pounded that little piece of propaganda until it became conventional wisdom that’s what the AAP actually said. Nope.

services.aap.org

Schools are fundamental to child and adolescent development and well-being and provide our children and adolescents with academic instruction, social and emotional skills, safety, reliable nutrition, physical/speech and mental health therapy, and opportunities for physical activity, among other benefits. Beyond supporting the educational development of children and adolescents, schools play a critical role in addressing racial and social inequity. As such, it is critical to reflect on the differential impact SARS-CoV-2 and the associated school closures have had on different races, ethnic and vulnerable populations. These recommendations are provided acknowledging that our understanding of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic is changing rapidly.

Any school re-entry policies should consider the following key principles:

Italics are the cherry-picked part.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 8:58:41pm

re: #74 calochortus

More:

No child or adolescents should be excluded from school unless required in order to adhere to local public health mandates or because of unique medical needs. Pediatricians, families, and schools should partner together to collaboratively identify and develop accommodations, when needed. (bold mine)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:00:45pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

Aww, you should have tagged her.

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calochortus  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:03:04pm

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Until today, the largest age group with the disease in the Panhandle was 10-19. The second largest age group was 40-49. It is an anecdotal observation, but it appears to me that children catch it and give it to their parents, or the other way round.

What determines whether someone catches an infectious disease is pretty much dependent on 1) how virulent, 2) viral load (how many viruses), and 3) immunity or ability to fight it off.

Put fifteen little asymptomatic children in one closed room with poor circulation, and the teacher gets it. A hundred or more in one school and pretty much everyone gets it.

Younger children are those below 9 or 10. Pre-teens and teens are every bit as good at spreading it as their parents. There is some hope, however, that kids of those ages could, for the most part, understand the necessity of masks and distancing.

I’m not recommending just opening up the schools and going back to how things were last year, but practically speaking we need to figure this out. What is your alternative?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:07:18pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:07:40pm

re: #86 teleskiguy

70 or so miles southeast of Anymouse.

Yikes.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:08:38pm

That would be an hard NO.

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🌹UOJB!  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:15:51pm

re: #72 Patricia Kayden

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Benjamin Harrison (Lost to Grover Cleveland)
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Herbert Hoover
Gerald Ford
Jimmy Carter
George HW Bush

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:18:53pm
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calochortus  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:22:12pm

And, I’m out for the evening.
Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:28:08pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:28:09pm

re: #109 calochortus

Younger children are those below 9 or 10. Pre-teens and teens are every bit as good at spreading it as their parents. There is some hope, however, that kids of those ages could, for the most part, understand the necessity of masks and distancing.

I’m not recommending just opening up the schools and going back to how things were last year, but practically speaking we need to figure this out. What is your alternative?

The same as I offered up the thread. There is nothing to prevent small groups of parents from getting together with other trustworthy parents in a closed group, both for entertainment and for education. Others who are childless can also help if they wish, or you could even pay them. Eject anyone from the group who intentionally flouts the rules. Essentially, set up a one-room schoolhouse.

This allows parents some time away from children, allows children with responsible parents to play together and study together, &c. The system will work both in large cities and in small villages (and large cities have the advantage of Internet infrastructure, vast public libraries, &c).

Tonight several of the children from our town went to the pop-up drive in theatre in Scottsbluff to see the movies “Minions” and “Despicable Me.”

Is it harder than simply putting kids on the bus? Sure. If I had school age children I damn sure wouldn’t be putting them on a school bus for a one-way twenty-two mile trip (not counting side roads) twice a day. (It doesn’t matter since our school will not open on time anyway.)

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Jack Burton  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:31:23pm

re: #98 calochortus

What is the alternative? We are months away from the most optimistic projections for a vaccine. The country can’t simply shut down for another 6 months or a year. We need a plan and we need action. Apparently Trump isn’t interested and the GOP hasn’t gotten to the point where they will break with him.

I’m not particularly sure why people actually think this is a thing. Yes we absolutely can shut down for another 6 months. We can’t stay shut down for *years* or *forever*, but we can absolutely do it for another 6 months.

We can give everyone on UI the extra 600/week for that whole time too.

A. There’s a whole lot of *bullshit* military spending and corp graft that we can cut into. B. There’s like over 55 trillion in hidden money in offshore accounts, much of it connected to a money laundering ring that’s already under investigation and Fuckface von Clownstick is neck deep in and more will be revealed once he’s on trial. C. Even if that never happens we can basically blackmail these rich assholes about the whole economy collapsing if they don’t play ball. D. We can borrow/print our way out of it and then cancel the debt. That won’t cause demand-pull inflation because there’s not going to be a spike in demand or massive economic growth following it. It will just keep the demand side from crashing.

Or we can do all/combinations of the above.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:34:50pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:35:48pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:36:23pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:56:01pm

re: #118 Jack Burton

I’m not particularly sure why people actually think this is a thing. Yes we absolutely can shut down for another 6 months. We can’t stay shut down for *years* or *forever*, but we can absolutely do it for another 6 months.

We can give everyone on UI the extra 600/week for that whole time too.

A. There’s a whole lot of *bullshit* military spending and corp graft that we can cut into. B. There’s like over 55 trillion in hidden money in offshore accounts, much of it connected to a money laundering ring that’s already under investigation and Fuckface von Clownstick is neck deep in and more will be revealed once he’s on trial. C. Even if that never happens we can basically blackmail these rich assholes about the whole economy collapsing if they don’t play ball. D. We can borrow/print our way out of it and then cancel the debt. That won’t cause demand-pull inflation because there’s not going to be a spike in demand or massive economic growth following it. It will just keep the demand side from crashing.

Or we can do all/combinations of the above.

If there was a sane, competent and functional government. But there’s not.

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Belafon  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:56:05pm

Angie Nixon, who is running against the crazy, conspiracy theory loving Democrat Kim Daniels in Florida has tested positive for Covid-19. She’s also pregnant. She wears masks, but came into contact with someone who was positive but didn’t wear a mask.

m.dailykos.com

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:56:16pm

Forgot this yesterday, my bad.

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Belafon  Jul 8, 2020 • 9:57:32pm

re: #122 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

If there was a sane, competent and functional government. But there’s not.

You fight a virus with the one you have, and hope to survive long enough to replace it.

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Targetpractice  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:01:05pm

re: #125 Belafon

You fight a virus with the one you have, and hope to survive long enough to replace it.

Problem is that, depending upon your location, the government may have simply given up the fight and is allowing an “every man for himself” environment to dominate.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:02:36pm

re: #123 Belafon

Angie Nixon, who is running against the crazy, conspiracy theory loving Democrat Kim Daniels in Florida has tested positive for Covid-19. She’s also pregnant. She wears masks, but came into contact with someone who was positive but didn’t wear a mask.

m.dailykos.com

This is the nut sandwich Nixon is running against:
Crazy, racist, evangelical, Obama hating…black female Democrat?

Jacksonville, Florida state Rep. Kim Daniels. Another anti-choice, Trump-loving, homophobic crook, Daniels is a “former” Republican, supported by Republicans in an all-blue district. Needless to say, someone with this kind of a diseased brain is also an anti-Semite. “And you can talk about the Holocaust, but the Jews own everything.”

Aside from Republican money, how does this crazy wing-nut remain in the state legislature representing a district whose electorate is made up almost entirely of Blacks (53.4%) and Hispanics (35.6%)? The Florida Democrats are apparently happy enough with her, having made her the ranking member of the Oversight, Transparency & Public Management Subcommittee.

There are worse things to worship, like a golden calf or Donald Trump.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:04:34pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:06:23pm

re: #125 Belafon

You fight a virus with the one you have, and hope to survive long enough to replace it.

We went through the same problem one hundred years ago with influenza. Fifty years ago with poliomyelitis. Smallpox stalked the public the whole period of human existence until it was eradicated. Tuberculosis too, but it’s not eradicated.

Unless we have a way to eliminate Covid-19 or develop an effective treatment, things will never go back to normal. Conservatives already thoroughly fuqued that chicken to grasp at power.

We have no choice but to adapt. Just as in the Theory of Evolution, those who cannot or will not adapt will be eradicated.

The Black Plague entirely collapsed the feudal systems that came before, replacing them with mercantilism. The Spanish Flu forced governments to end WW1.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:09:11pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:12:06pm

France may not be a big fan of Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:13:06pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:13:14pm

re: #131 Dread Pirate

Canada better get to work on their wall.

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Belafon  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:14:27pm

re: #131 Dread Pirate

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France may not be a big fan of Trump.

Our death toll isn’t 3million.

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austin_blue  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:21:36pm

re: #134 Belafon

Our death toll isn’t 3million.

Cases.

Speaking of cases, here’s Texas’ numbers for today (you may have to click “yesterday” to get today’s data). It sucks.

worldometers.info

The President is nuts. He’s got a 10% of winning the election. We can take back the Senate.

Vote, vote vote.

That’s all we have to do to stick a wooden stake into this blood-sucking Republican Party.

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austin_blue  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:22:43pm

re: #135 austin_blue

Cases.

Speaking of cases, here’s Texas’ numbers for today (you may have to click “yesterday” to get today’s data). It sucks.

worldometers.info

The President is nuts. He’s got a 10% of winning the election. We can take back the Senate.

Vote, vote vote.

That’s all we have to do to stick a wooden stake into this blood-sucking Republican Party.

And goodnight, all. Sweet dreams.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:23:29pm

re: #134 Belafon

Our death toll isn’t 3million.

The GOP is working on that.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:30:07pm

Panhandle Public Health adjusted their numbers upwards from yesterday’s report. There are six new cases. All are between 20 and 40 in age.

Scottsbluff Public School District is still pressing forward with it’s Republican-controlled school board to open as soon as possible to the original scheduled start date, despite protests from parents.

The two districts which serve my little town, both flipped to Democratic control in this year’s election, will remain closed for now.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:33:41pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:33:56pm

As Douglas County reports 100th COVID-19 victim, cases continue growing among young people (Omaha World-Herald)

As the coronavirus pandemic claimed its 100th victim in Douglas County [seat Omaha], the county’s health director says new cases are growing among young people.

The Douglas County Health Department says it has tracked cases among three high school teams: One each in basketball, baseball and softball.

More adolescents are testing positive for COVID-19, although some are asymptomatic, said Adi Pour, Douglas County’s health director.

Pour also expressed concern about transmission in bars packed with patrons.

Throughout the pandemic, 43% of the county’s cases are from people in the under-34 age bracket, according to the county’s latest numbers.

But more recently, 56% of cases are from people that age, Pour said.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:36:13pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:43:37pm

From a letter of a student in Omaha Public Schools as the Republican city council and school boards rush to open the schools on time there despite every epidemiologist in the state saying no.

I also strongly believe that they should not make attendance mandatory this year, because there will be students who are scared to get COVID-19 because they know it would financially devastate their families or that they would die easily because they are immunocompromised. Then there’s the students like me, the ones who have a parent who works with COVID-19 patients and has to get tested once a week. I, personally, am scared to go to school because I might get someone else sick.

Miss, when you are old enough to vote, remember which political party put you in this position to force their religious faith on you.

omaha.com

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:45:28pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:46:45pm

I’m sure school insurance providers are really looking forward to the future payouts to families of students that were sickened, maimed, or killed by CV-19 during the academic year because the school administration enforced mandatory attendance policies despite knowing the risks.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:50:33pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

I’m sure school insurance providers are really looking forward to the future payouts to families of students that were sickened, maimed, or killed by CV-19 during the academic year because the school administration enforced mandatory attendance policies despite knowing the risks.

Insurance companies can decline insurance for going against public health advice. That would force schools to make the choice of going uninsured or closing.

Meanwhile over at 270towin.com , they have as toss-ups now:

AZ, WI, FL, NC, NE-2. They have moved Democrats to 268 electoral votes, with fifty-six as “leans.” Seventy-nine Republican electoral votes also show “lean.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 10:53:09pm

re: #143 Ace-o-aces

Wholly crap, they ran that tripe in Newsweek?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:09:20pm

Juanita Jean’s, the World’s Most Dangerous Beauty Salon

I Love Yew, Texas UPDATED And UPDATE to the UPDATE and The Holy Cow Will This Ever End UPDATE

The blow-by-blow as the Texas GOP wrangled with Huston Mayor Sylvester Turner.

And they can’t whine because not even their elected officials were willing to attend. Well, they can whine and most assuredly will whine. The best response is to call them losers.

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Targetpractice  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:13:40pm

re: #145 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Insurance companies can decline insurance for going against public health advice. That would force schools to make the choice of going uninsured or closing.

Meanwhile over at 270towin.com , they have as toss-ups now:

AZ, WI, FL, NC, NE-2. They have moved Democrats to 268 electoral votes, with fifty-six as “leans.” Seventy-nine Republican electoral votes also show “lean.”

It’s one of those items that has to factor into the “We can’t afford…” equation. Along with costs for clean-ups when cases among students/staff get too large to ignore without courting a parental revolt, the costs of bringing in replacement staff as current staff get sick or quit, the costs of ensuring students in quarantine can keep up with their peers, the costs of replacing or upgrading existing facilities to deal with the demands of CV-19, and so forth.

Hell, I’m putting the over/under of how long after schools reopen in red states before MAGAt parents begin demanding that safety measures be rescinded because their kids are “scared” at 2 weeks.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:19:29pm

Amanda Marcotte’s take on cancelling and the Harper’s letter is good.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:20:03pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

At least for now, our two school districts are closed.

My school district is now entangled in an investigation, as it appears that the Republican board which was replaced in this year’s election was embezzling school district funds to the point the school district is in danger of defaulting on bills. One of the incoming Democrats decided to audit the books. Not bad for a village of about 400. Elect conservatives, get corruption.

Meanwhile, the stupid conservative hat is taken from Texas and given to Alaska Gov. Dunleavy.

Ahead of decision on school in the fall, Dunleavy said it’s unclear whether children can spread COVID-19 (KTVA Anchorage)

As a reminder, this “children can’t spread the virus” is a conservative talking point, not a scientific one.

In early May, the New York Times reported two recent studies that produced “compelling evidence” that children can transmit the virus, although the results did not prove it.

According to the article, many epidemiologists who were not involved in either study said the evidence was strong enough to suggest that schools should be kept closed for now.

Dunleavy said he is not sure, however, whether children who might contract COVID-19 at school will then transmit the virus to other people in their households, some of whom could be particularly vulnerable to complications if infected.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:24:26pm

re: #149 The Ghost of a Flea

Amanda Marcotte’s take on cancelling and the Harper’s letter is good.

One of those whinging in that letter being JK Rowling, because a person with a platform of millions is somehow “cancelled” over her shitty takes on transgender women.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:25:23pm

So, later today, the Supreme Court will issue its rulings on the cases regarding Trump’s taxes.

I’m not even going to try to predict which way they’ll decide on those matters, because SCOTUS can be entirely unpredictable sometimes.

That being said, I think the case that worries Trump the most has to be Trump v. Vance because that’s a state-level case. Even if (somehow) Trump managed to arrange a blanket pardon for himself at the Federal level, that’s not going to cover any state-level cases and that’s a source of serious potential risk to him in the not-too-distant future. Trump v. Vance could very well become a major headache for him once he’s no longer President (and hopefully - knock on wood - that’ll be next January).

We shall see later today. Same SCOTUStime, same SCOTUSchannel!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:27:56pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:29:11pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:30:34pm

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:32:47pm

Thread, twenty tweets.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:36:00pm

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I wasn’t young enough for Harry Potter to impact my life as a pivotal childhood text, but…man, she’s managed to alienate almost everyone that had warm feelings for her.

As an adult who read HP books to understand the cultural phenomenon I found them to have a faint Tory/classist aroma, but I could see how a kid could love them, and it was disheartening to see the specific thing that twisted her up.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:51:47pm

Popehat’s thread on the Harper’s letter is also good:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:55:27pm

re: #157 The Ghost of a Flea

I wasn’t young enough for Harry Potter to impact my life as a pivotal childhood text, but…man, she’s managed to alienate almost everyone that had warm feelings for her.

As an adult who read HP books to understand the cultural phenomenon I found them to have a faint Tory/classist aroma, but it was still disheartening to see the specific thing that twisted her up.

My mother is a Harry Potter fan. She’ll be eighty in a few days. HP doesn’t just appeal to children, though that was Ms. Rowling’s target.

There is a response to this letter at Medium which contains the following near the end of the article:

The last thing we need to be doing in this situation is promoting the kind of “open debate” that gives massive platforms to Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, holocaust deniers, Q-Anon promoters etc. The human brain is not designed in such a way that it can orient itself to reality effectively, if it lives in an 80%/15%/5% atmosphere. That is, brains don’t work well in an atmosphere of 80% disproven lies — lies that people push into the debate because the lies bring them political advantage. The 15% entertainment and 5% facts don’t change much here. Unreality heavily predominates in such a person’s perception of the world in which they live. Our big problem currently is that many people live in such an environment.

Response to A Letter on Justice and Open Debate by Julie Hotard, Psychologist.

Free speech, as a matter of law, means the government can’t restrict your speech if it is not harmful (inciting violence, &c). What the originators of that article want is the perennial claim that shitty takes shouldn’t be subject to social consequences. They want to limit other people’s speech in their quest for “free speech.”

A lot of them aren’t even Americans, thus not subject to our speech laws.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 8, 2020 • 11:56:11pm

Brooks Brothers has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Brooks Brothers Group Inc. filed for bankruptcy, felled by the pandemic’s impact on clothing sales and its own heavy debt load.

The two-century-old apparel company is the latest to succumb as lockdowns during the coronavirus outbreak add to the woes of old-line retailers. Neiman Marcus Group Inc., J. Crew Group Inc. and John Varvatos Enterprises Inc. each filed for bankruptcy since the virus took hold.

The Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing in Delaware allows Brooks Brothers to keep operating while it works out a plan to turn the business around and pay its debts. The company listed assets and liabilities of at least $500 million each in court papers, and lined up a $75 million bankruptcy loan from WHP Global, owner of the Joseph Abboud and Anne Klein brands, according to a statement.

yahoo.com

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:04:30am

re: #157 The Ghost of a Flea

I wasn’t young enough for Harry Potter to impact my life as a pivotal childhood text, but…man, she’s managed to alienate almost everyone that had warm feelings for her.

As an adult who read HP books to understand the cultural phenomenon I found them to have a faint Tory/classist aroma, but it was still disheartening to see the specific thing that twisted her up.

I’m going to bed now, but after the last kerfuffle over JR’s views on transgender people, I took the time to actually read what she had to say about the issue. Conclusions: what she thinks and what they say she thinks are two very different things. Also, I’m not saying she’s right, but what she says certainly deserves consideration.

But it’s complicated. Absolutely unsuited to the twitterverse.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:04:37am

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

An example might be the wingnut who was yelling “white power” in a Costco recently, followed by the Twitterati identifying who she was and demanding she be fired.

Someone seeing that has just as much right to complain about it as she did to say it.

What the Harper’s letter argues is those who were offended by the very public display do not have a right to express their displeasure. The employer on receiving these complaints does not have a right to protect his or her business from what might become a First Amendment protected boycott because an employee makes the business look bad.

The employer also has the right to ignore those letters and let the chips fall where they may.

The letter’s thrust is that FOX News’s White Power Barbie and Nazi Fish Stick King can say whatever they want, but people who are offended by that (and people who are targets of it) may not write to advertisers and use the only power they have, the power of their purse, to tell the advertiser that their adverts constitute tacit approval of such speech and as such they’ll shop somewhere else.

The writers want freedom from consequences, not freedom of speech. They aren’t arguing on behalf of a powerless person who is harassed, they are arguing for their own speech to be unassailable.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:06:19am
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:09:14am
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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:11:00am

re: #164 Ace-o-aces

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We really need to start thinking about what kinda world we want to leave to Keith.

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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:12:12am

re: #162 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

An example might be the wingnut who was yelling “white power” in a Costco recently, followed by the Twitterati identifying who she was and demanding she be fired.

Someone seeing that has just as much right to complain about it as she did to say it.

What the Harper’s letter argues is those who were offended by the very public display do not have a right to express their displeasure. The employer on receiving these complaints does not have a right to protect his or her business from what might become a First Amendment protected boycott because an employee makes the business look bad.

The employer also has the right to ignore those letters and let the chips fall where they may.

The letter’s thrust is that FOX News’s White Power Barbie and Nazi Fish Stick King can say whatever they want, but people who are offended by that (and people who are targets of it) may not write to advertisers and use the only power they have, the power of their purse, to tell the advertiser that their adverts constitute tacit approval of such speech and as such they’ll shop somewhere else.

The writers want freedom from consequences, not freedom of speech. They aren’t arguing on behalf of a powerless person who is harassed, they are arguing for their own speech to be unassailable.

Shorter read: The people who “got theirs” are afraid of losing it and are arguing for protection of “theirs” from people who don’t have such.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:12:24am

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Personally I think that “debate” is meaningless in the face of bad faith.

A lot of what’s being called “cancel culture”—particularly campus protests—-comes from young people who have correctly identified the number of (mostly conservative) well-funded “thinkers” who deal entirely in rhetorical sleights and misdirections, meaning that they cannot be defeated by arguments because they simply do not accept the validity of arguments.

My biggest problem with a lot of folks who’ve signed to gripe about “cancel culture” don’t acknowledge the existence of bad faith, and have uncritically accepted the idea that there is a marketplace of ideas in which that which “wins” in a rhetorical exchange must have some kind of validity…and more than a few a practitioners of form of pure rhetoric that reduces arguments to aesthetics—optics, messaging, image management—and have floated away from more concrete forms of episteme.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:13:31am

re: #161 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I’m going to bed now, but after the last kerfuffle over JR’s views on transgender people, I took the time to actually read what she had to say about the issue. Conclusions: what she thinks and what they say she thinks are two very different things. Also, I’m not saying she’s right, but what she says certainly deserves consideration.

But it’s complicated. Absolutely unsuited to the twitterverse.

She makes the same scaremongering arguments our own conservatives do, that transgender women are invading women’s spaces.

J.K. Rowling Writes about Her Reasons for Speaking out on Sex and Gender Issues (goes to her own blog)

She cites a bullshyte phenomenon called “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria” (masses of people who all wish to transition) caused by YouTube, Reddit, &c. Oh, and on-line porn.

I want to be very clear here: I know transition will be a solution for some gender dysphoric people, although I’m also aware through extensive research that studies have consistently shown that between 60-90% of gender dysphoric teens will grow out of their dysphoria.

[citation of even one needed]

She somehow conflates her being a sexual assault survivor and domestic violence survivor with transgender people.

I’m not buying that a woman with tens of millions of fans around the world is “cancelled.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:26:50am

re: #92 John Hughes

Is that a DUKW hidden under there?

Looks like it, to be sure, but it’s actually a 1998 Ford “L” series with a 5.9 Cummins engine.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:26:56am

More polling porn, the lede:

This election is looking more like a Democratic tsunami than simply a Blue wave. President Trump, mired in some of the lowest job approval ratings of his presidency, is trailing Biden by significant margins in key battleground states like Pennsylvania (8 points), Michigan (9 points), and Wisconsin (9 points). He’s even running behind Biden in his firewall states of Florida and North Carolina.

New July 2020 Electoral College Ratings (Cook Political Report)

Their toss-ups are AZ, GA, FL, and NC. They have NE-2 as blue.

We’ve made changes to our Electoral College ratings to reflect this reality.

Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Nebraska’s 2nd district move from Toss Up to Lean Democrat.
Maine, once in Lean Democrat, moves to the safer Likely Democratic category.
Georgia has joined Arizona, North Carolina and Florida in the Toss Up column, although, at this point, Biden would be slightly favored to win at least Arizona and Florida.
Maine’s 2nd district has moved from Likely Republican to a more competitive Lean Republican.

These moves alone push Biden over the 270 electoral vote threshold (to 279).

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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:33:12am

re: #167 The Ghost of a Flea

Personally I think that “debate” is meaningless in the face of bad faith.

A lot of what’s being called “cancel culture”—particularly campus protests—-comes from young people who have correctly identified the number of (mostly conservative) well-funded “thinkers” who deal entirely in rhetorical sleights and misdirections, meaning that they cannot be defeated by arguments because they simply do not accept the validity of arguments.

My biggest problem with a lot of folks who’ve signed to gripe about “cancel culture” don’t acknowledge the existence of bad faith, and have uncritically accepted the idea that there is a marketplace of ideas in which that which “wins” in a rhetorical exchange must have some kind of validity…and more than a few a practitioners of form of pure rhetoric that reduces arguments to aesthetics—optics, messaging, image management—and have floated away from more concrete forms of episteme.

The fantasy the signers believe: Two people can respectfully disagree on a subject and engage in a reasoned discussion where both sides present their arguments and the audience decides for itself who has made the better argument.

The reality: Bill Nye “debating” Ken Ham, where the former spends his time presenting scientific fact and giving direct answers to questions presented to him, while the latter just pulls shit out of his ass, engages in a debate tactic known as the “Gish Gallop” by bringing up more points than the former can address in the time allotted, and then declares “victory” because there was a point brought up that his opponent could not address to his satisfaction.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:35:46am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:37:07am

re: #171 Targetpractice

The fantasy the signers believe: Two people can respectfully disagree on a subject and engage in a reasoned discussion where both sides present their arguments and the audience decides for itself who has made the better argument.

The reality: Bill Nye “debating” Ken Ham, where the former spends his time presenting scientific fact and giving direct answers to questions presented to him, while the latter just pulls shit out of his ass, engages in a debate tactic known as the “Gish Gallop” by bringing up more points than the former can address in the time allotted, and then declares “victory” because there was a point brought up that his opponent could not address to his satisfaction.

Or:

Racists: We should be allowed to ban non-whites.
Not-racists: No.
Letter: Surely they are both good-faith arguments and we can have a discussion about them. Meanwhile, don’t “cancel” the racists for their shitty opinions (while not addressing the argument that’s exactly what the racists are doing).

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:39:31am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:41:14am

Bigot Catholic on July 4 in the Omaha World-Herald: Liberals are oppressing our church by forcing us to give the Eucharist to icky gay people (mischaracterising the Supreme Court decision), and society should bend to God’s will and my interpretation of that.

Me: No (explains the First Amendment and the Supreme Court decision and laws used in the past to enforce bigotry, including against Catholics)

Letter-writers: Whoa there, LGF nobody! How dare you cancel the entire Catholic Church, the most powerful private organisation on the planet with fabulous wealth!

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:43:52am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:48:00am

re: #176 Ace-o-aces

LOL did he or she block you yet?

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:51:14am

re: #177 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

LOL did he or she block you yet?

I’d post a mic drop…but people have died so that seems kind of inappropriate.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:52:01am

Utah Outcasts, 18:36, JK Rowling supports gay conversion therapy.

Letter writers including JK Rowling: How dare you “cancel” my shitty disproven position!

JK Rowling Caught Supporting Conversion Therapy

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:53:59am
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Amory Blaine  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:57:09am

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

Yeezy is the new Brooks Brothers.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 12:58:22am

JK Rowling: Writes books which include stories about witchcraft.

Inquisitors: Burn her at the stake for heresy!

Letter writers including JK Rowling: There should be discussion about burning writers at the stake, as there are good faith arguments on both sides!

Inquisitors: Guilty! (set her aflame)

JK Rowling (screaming in the flames): Cancel culture!

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:02:44am

re: #181 Amory Blaine

I actually saw a store selling the Adidas Yeezy 500 shoes a week or so ago….the price, oof! They sell for more than the average Czech makes in two months. Damn.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:03:24am

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

Brooks Brothers has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

yahoo.com

Does this mean there will be no more Brooks Brothers riots? /s

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:07:15am

re: #184 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Does this mean there will be no more Brooks Brothers riots? /s

Every time I think of Brooks Brothers suits, I think less of the Brooks Brothers riot and more of the film American Psycho, even though I’m sure Patrick Bateman would scoff at any peasant wearing a Brooks Brothers suit - he’s partial to Valentino suits.

American Psycho -Business Card Scene

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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:08:29am

“Cancel culture” is “Political correctness” with the numbers filed off. It’s the same bullshit being sold as something “new” when really it’s the same assholes making the same arguments that they’ve made again and again for years: “We’re entitled to our opinions, society has no right to tell us we’re wrong for expressing them!” It’s the “shock comic” of the 80s now pissed that yelling “Ni-CLANG!” doesn’t lead to laughter but stony silence and falling ticket sales.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:18:23am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:18:29am

re: #51 jaunte

Ah yes, let’s simply tell our school-age children to practice good hygiene and they will do it, and that will take care of everything, never thought of that

let’s just teach our teenagers about Abstinence Only and watch teen pregnancy rates tumble…

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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:23:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:24:24am

re: #119 DodgerFan1988

Melania Trump statue set ablaze near her birth town.

a wooden statue?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:32:13am

A Klansman, a MAGAt and a Proud Boy walk into a bar. Which bar?

Kruger’s Korner Klub

in LaCrosse, Indiana, a place where the Mason-Dixon line reaches all the way to the outskirts of Gary…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:33:39am

CAMP FOSTER, Okinawa — The commander of Camp Hansen has ordered the Okinawa Marine base closed “until further notice,” according to a mass email alert from Marine Corps Installations Pacific late Wednesday.

“By order of the Camp Hansen Commander, effective immediately, Camp Hansen will be CLOSED to all personnel attempting to enter until further notice, unless their quarters are aboard Camp Hansen,” said the message sent at 10:43 p.m.

All personnel aboard the installation “should go to their quarters until further notice,” it added.

No reason was given for the closure, which comes a day after nearby Marine Corps Air Station Futenma ordered personnel to shelter in place for four hours after “several” people there tested positive for the coronavirus.

The infected individuals and their close contacts were isolated, according to a Marine Corps statement issued Tuesday evening.

stripes.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:36:33am

re: #189 Dread Pirate

His endorsements¨

“The most active national security lawyer on Twitter.” - Above the Law

“Noted smart law person” - Wonkette

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:41:28am

Former FOX blonde Greta Van Sursten is now employed by the Voice of America to present video articles.

voanews.com

Her show is called “Plugged In.”

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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:46:35am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:52:12am

I’m going to head off to bed. Both the plumber and the reverse osmosis unit mechanic will be here tomorrow. Should be fun.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 1:54:36am

Read about the Harper’s Letter, and again, it seems to be all about Free Speech without Consequences:

“It’s a defense of people being able to speak and think freely without fear of punishment or retribution, of the right to disagree and not fear for your employment.”

1A: Congress shall make no law.

American courts have always come down hard against Prior Restraint. But it is up to you to choose your words and your platform carefully before making utterances than could cause your employer to feel that their brand/reputation is damaged or to wreck your own career.

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stpaulbear  Jul 9, 2020 • 3:22:27am

Just woke up to the sound of hail hitting my window AC unit and decided to check WeatherUnderground. There is a severe thunderstorm alert posted for my county with the following message: …

THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR RAMSEY COUNTY WILL EXPIRE AT
515 AM CDT…

The storm which prompted the warning has weakened below severe
limits, and no longer poses an immediate threat to life or property.
Therefore, the warning will be allowed to expire. However small hail
and gusty winds are still possible with this thunderstorm.

This is the second time in a couple months that the weather service has canceled a warning almost immediately after posting it. I’m not complaining that they’re not delivering on severe thunderstorms, but it’s odd to see. Still lots of thunder, but the wind and rain are already over. Hoping I can open some windows before I climb back in bed for a couple hours.

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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2020 • 3:22:29am

Yeah, unsurprisingly, people are going over the list of the signatories to the Harper’s Letter and finding example after example of most being total fucking hypocrites:

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Axolotl  Jul 9, 2020 • 3:23:31am

re: #89 calochortus

My-daughter-the-pediatrician says that appears to be the case. However, no one is positive, here is a decent summary When you break out the younger kids, there is decent evidence that they aren’t prime vectors, possibly because they just don’t put out the volume of breath and hence fewer viruses. But, like everything about Covid, nothing is certain.

Anyone with small children, at least anecdotally, know that children are vectors. I have four kids within 4 years of each other and at times my house resembled those scenes from Little House on the Prairie when everyone got scarlet fever or whatever. Even this article states:
“With some respiratory illnesses — influenza in particular — young children play an amplifying role. “

I would think it would take some strong evidence to the contrary before making assumptions that they are not vectors. “Extraordinary claims yada yada…”

At least for me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 3:26:01am

re: #200 Axolotl

I would think it would take some strong evidence to the contrary before making assumptions that they are not vectors. “Extraordinary claims yada yada…”

At least for me.

But not for those who have an agenda: namely to ignore Covid and get things back to “normal” by fall in hopes of getting the economy on a recovery course to point toward.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 9, 2020 • 3:32:22am

re: #99 sagehen

and when they do breathe on you, they’re breathing on your knees.

+1

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 9, 2020 • 3:32:55am

re: #102 John Hughes

Senator, Iraq War vet and Purple heart recipient (Note: that’s one person)…

indeed

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 3:34:48am

re: #102 John Hughes

Senator, Iraq War vet and Purple heart recipient (Note: that’s one person)…

six-times bankrupt businessman, draft evader and “unindicted co-conspirator”

(Note: that’s also one person)…

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ozharas  Jul 9, 2020 • 4:03:02am

Ha

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jul 9, 2020 • 4:05:14am

re: #199 Targetpractice

Yeah, unsurprisingly, people are going over the list of the signatories to the Harper’s Letter and finding example after example of most being total fucking hypocrites:

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Yep. And the people who scream the loudest (JKR) are those who want to “cancel” those of us on the margin (me) and then scream like a stuck pig when we push back. Free speech for me, but not for thee is their rule/motto.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 4:18:25am

Congress shall make no law …abridging the freedom of speech…”

Not how clearly that is stated. It neither absolves us of social or economic consequences nor does it guarantee us a platform for our speech.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 9, 2020 • 4:43:19am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 9, 2020 • 5:00:57am

re: #50 So Cal Greek Hippie

Watching this group do the logistics of moving statues around to disease ridden political venues & remote Federal sites would be worthy of a plot for a redneck-sploitation comedy movie.

Let them get the statues loaded up, ready to go, and then move in so that the statues can go to an undisclosed location.
/

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 9, 2020 • 5:17:20am

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Right before they went out hunting a pepperoni pizza they believed was malevolent.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2020 • 5:19:13am

re: #79 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

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I think that is going to seriously backfire. There are plenty of Republicans that don’t want to know what the GOP does with their votes.

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jeffreyw  Jul 9, 2020 • 5:25:21am

Good morning!

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2020 • 5:33:49am

re: #99 sagehen

and when they do breathe on you, they’re breathing on your knees.

A crowded elevator smells different to a midget.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 9, 2020 • 5:35:35am

Butterflies with side of crab. (Corolla Island, NC in 2017.)

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 9, 2020 • 5:46:14am

re: #209 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Let them get the statues loaded up, ready to go, and then move in so that the statues can go to an undisclosed location.
/

We could point out to Trump that a safe space for the statues from activists would be his bunker.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2020 • 5:53:11am

Morning all. Check out Spanky’s latest.

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b.d. (Boring Competence 2020!)  Jul 9, 2020 • 5:55:34am

re: #216 Dave In Austin

Morning all. Check out Spanky’s latest.

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lol, For the 1/100th time?

Go back to sleep Grandpa

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2020 • 5:59:09am

re: #216 Dave In Austin

1/100th?

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b.d. (Boring Competence 2020!)  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:05:50am

re: #218 Ace Rothstein

1/100th?

LOL, Donnie, 1/100 ≠ One hundredth ≠ 100th

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:12:11am

New Page. Who knew the DOJ was originally the BLM of it’s day?

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:16:36am
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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:16:57am

re: #216 Dave In Austin

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:19:27am

Someone told Trump bad jobu is about to drop from the Supreme Court?

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:21:55am

re: #214 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Corolla NC, earlier this morning.

13 Beach Miles to VA
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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:22:25am

Oh, and Trump’s gotta be pissed that NYC is painting BLM in front of Trump Tower.

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plansbandc  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:23:06am

For the 1/100th time?

JFC

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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:25:23am

re: #223 lawhawk

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:28:10am

re: #224 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Corolla NC, earlier this morning.

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If you’re there tomorrow at 0400, you should get a good look at comet C-NEOWISE near the NE horizon.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:29:47am

re: #226 plansbandc

For the 1/100th time?

JFC

It’s not the percentage that is problematic - it’s that after 6 months of dealing with covid19, he’s still fixated on not testing people, because he thinks that’s the root cause. He still thinks that if you don’t test, you don’t have cases.

Of course that’s bulkshit. If you don’t test and you’ve got covid19, you still get sick, hospitalized, and can die of covid19. It’ll just be attributed to something else, like a heart attack, pneumonia, etc. But excess mortality would show that it’s attributable to covid19.

More testing gives health experts ability to contain covid19, but every day we fall short means you need even more tests than the day before. You fall further behind, and right now - Trump’s fixation on doing the most tests still misses the fucking point. You have to look at when the tests were done, per capita, and you’d see that by failing to do aggressive testing up front, you have to play catchup to contain. And right now, we’re failing across the board, even in states that managed to contain the spread. NJ is sliding back as R0 is now back above 1. California is seeing spread despite containing it earlier, and NY may face a similar situation.

The problems all stem from Trump’s refusal to institute nationwide standards and a refusal to mask up. The death toll is on him. The economic collapse is on him. The massive debt run up to save the economy from collapse is on him. All of this is on him and the craven GOP that continues backing this corrupt criminal enterprise.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:36:26am
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:38:16am

re: #226 plansbandc

For the 1/100th time?

JFC

I hope this doesn’t mean there are 99 more tweets coming today.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:40:15am

cdc says nuh-uh

Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said that the guidelines for reopening schools will not be revised, CNN reports.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:41:31am

re: #230 lawhawk

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The geography of FL makes that less meaningful than it sounds. Beds in Pensacola (or anywhere out-of-state) are effectively not available to Miami.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:47:25am

re: #233 Decatur Deb

The geography of FL makes that less meaningful than it sounds. Beds in Pensacola (or anywhere out-of-state) are effectively not available to Miami.

Sounds like a good opportunity to use a hospital ship. Or do a quick conversion on an idle cruise ship. But that also requires some forethought and appreciation that there is a public health crisis that needs to be addressed rather than denied.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 6:58:30am

10am EDT is fast approaching… and the Supreme Court hands down the final cases of the term.

2 relate directly to Trump’s taxes.
Trump v. Mazars USA, LLP / Trump v. Deutsche Bank - Congressional oversight of Trump tax documents.
Trump v. Vance - NY AG investigating Trump tax documentation.

One relates to Native American tribal sovereignty and the state of Oklahoma. McGirt v. Oklahoma.

Cases are announced in reverse seniority order.

And there’s rumors that Alito and/or Thomas might announce their retirement, which means McConnell will rush to fill both before the end of the year (because of course he would - it’s not like he isn’t a white nationalist racist who denied Obama seating Merrick Garland because there was precedent or anything).

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:01:50am

McGirt is first to be released… 5-4, Gorsuch delivering the majority opinion. Gorsuch joined by … wait for it… RBG, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan. For purposes of the MCA, these areas are considered tribal lands. Gorsuch has consistently sided with tribes in these kinds of cases/issues.

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Unabogie  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:02:17am

re: #229 lawhawk

And it’s likely we’ve hit a tipping point where we can no longer ever contain the virus in America. With millions treating it like a culture war instead of a pandemic, we won’t be able to work together as they did in every other country (minus the other fascist states).

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:05:14am

re: #113 🌹UOJB!

Belated thanks for the correction: I dashed off #84 off the top of my head: I had forgotten the B. Harrison/Cleveland dance: but can’t imagine how I spaced Gerald Ford.

Though I wouldn’t include Arthur on that list: his efforts for re-nomination in 1884 were (by most accounts) half-hearted: he was not all that popular in the GOP, and was also fairly unwell with kidney disease. The rest were all active incumbents running for reelection: so 9. Let’s keep up a grand old American tradition, and make it 10 this year…..

Odd fact: I found out President Chester Arthur’s NYC home - where he lived, was sworn in , and where he died - is a block or so away from where I live. Even without the Indian market occupying most of it, it’s a fairly undistinguished building. Fitting for a fairly undistinguished President, I suppose.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:05:46am

re: #167 The Ghost of a Flea

Personally I think that “debate” is meaningless in the face of bad faith.

A lot of what’s being called “cancel culture”—particularly campus protests—-comes from young people who have correctly identified the number of (mostly conservative) well-funded “thinkers” who deal entirely in rhetorical sleights and misdirections, meaning that they cannot be defeated by arguments because they simply do not accept the validity of arguments.

My biggest problem with a lot of folks who’ve signed to gripe about “cancel culture” don’t acknowledge the existence of bad faith, and have uncritically accepted the idea that there is a marketplace of ideas in which that which “wins” in a rhetorical exchange must have some kind of validity…and more than a few a practitioners of form of pure rhetoric that reduces arguments to aesthetics—optics, messaging, image management—and have floated away from more concrete forms of episteme.

I read the Harper’s letter and when they spoke of editors getting fired for running articles I couldn’t get the Tom Cotton op ed of fascism out if my mind. That, unfortunately or fortunately, formed my entire opinion about what they were saying.

Can it go overboard? Sure. Anything can. In the end, you’re responsible for your words and actions. I’m not willing to have a productive discussion about Nazis or fascism because there is no productive discussion. You’re for or against, black and white, no gray. And I use this as an example because right wingers never face the consequences they should and this letter just gives them cover.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:07:40am

re: #238 Jay C

Belated thanks for the correction: I dashed off #84 off the top of my head: I had forgotten the B. Harrison/Cleveland dance: but can’t imagine how I spaced Gerald Ford.

Though I wouldn’t include Arthur on that list: his efforts for re-nomination in 1884 were (by most accounts) half-hearted: he was not all that popular in the GOP, and was also fairly unwell with kidney disease. The rest were all active incumbents running for reelection: so 9. Let’s keep up a grand old American tradition, and make it 10 this year…..

Odd fact: I found out President Chester Arthur’s NYC home - where he lived, was sworn in , and where he died - is a block or so away from where I live. Even without the Indian market occupying most of it, it’s a fairly undistinguished building. Fitting for a fairly undistinguished President, I suppose.

His father in law is who my hometown was named after and he had Birthers. There were rumors he was actually born in Canada. He also represented a black woman who sued for discrimination on a Brooklyn street car. Pretty forgettable President but imo most of the post Civil War ones till TR were.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:07:51am

re: #237 Unabogie

And it’s likely we’ve hit a tipping point where we can no longer ever contain the virus in America. With millions treating it like a culture war instead of a pandemic, we won’t be able to work together as they did in every other country (minus the other fascist states).

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:08:55am

re: #241 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Indeed. 125K plus dead and we’re having the worst conversations about this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:09:00am

re: #237 Unabogie

And it’s likely we’ve hit a tipping point where we can no longer ever contain the virus in America. With millions treating it like a culture war instead of a pandemic, we won’t be able to work together as they did in every other country (minus the other fascist states).

and that is to be laid entirely at Trump’s doorstep, ever since “It’s a hoax”, “It’s just like the flu”, “It will be gone by April/warm weather”, etc…

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:10:02am

The tax cases are about to drop….*drumroll*

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:11:42am
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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:12:24am

Trump v. Vance -

Trump’s going to do nothing but tweet today

Roberts wrote the majority decision: 7-2.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:12:42am

re: #245 makeitstop

I upset I pay many Euro for have statue is make me look the fat be destroy but they is do poor job and how is look even the worse.

She comes from the Slow part of Slovenia…

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b.d. (Boring Competence 2020!)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:13:07am

Trump is going to defy the US Supreme Court, everything is just fine….

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:13:47am

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She comes from the Slow part of Slovenia…

Hey now not all Lower Carniolans.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:13:49am

IRS personnel better stay away from windows.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:13:50am

Trump lost on NY AG case. 7-2. Thomas and Alito dissented. Kavanaugh concurred with the majority.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:15:29am

re: #251 lawhawk

Trump lost on NY AG case. 7-2. Thomas and Alito dissented. Kavanaugh concurred with the majority.

Trump’s going to lose his shit that both Barf and Gorsuch sided against him. Meanwhile Alito and Thomas look more and more fringe.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:15:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:16:00am

re: #251 lawhawk

Trump lost on NY AG case. 7-2. Thomas and Alito dissented. Kavanaugh concurred with the majority.

Then there has to be something hidden in that ruling that only looks like the NY AG “won”…

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:16:36am

re: #251 lawhawk

Trump lost on NY AG case. 7-2. Thomas and Alito dissented. Kavanaugh concurred with the majority.

I’m thinking that when Justice Beer Lover came on board, the other justices gave him a good talking to about his responsibilities and place in history - and he may have actually listened and taken it to heart.

You could say I’m pretty surprised.

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:17:07am

re: #251 lawhawk

Trump lost on NY AG case. 7-2. Thomas and Alito dissented. Kavanaugh concurred with the majority.

Like we expected differently?

Roberts is pretty clear: no “absolute immunity” is neither “necessary or appropriate”

SO TvV goes back to District Court(?)

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:17:17am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Then there has to be something hidden in that ruling that only looks like the NY AG “won”…

Why you always gotta do this?

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:17:31am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Then there has to be something hidden in that ruling that only looks like the NY AG “won”…

It’s remanded to the District Court. Trump will try to run out the clock - because he has nothing to hide.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:18:12am

re: #257 makeitstop

Why you always gotta do this?

I hope I am wrong.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:18:23am

Couple of things. Kagan is said to be very persuasive. Hell Scalia even vouched for her. Other thing, Roberts’ clerks may be pushing him a little too. I’m no admirer of his but Justices can and do change with times.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:19:01am

re: #260 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Couple of things. Kagan is said to be very persuasive. Hell Scalia even vouched for her. Other thing, Roberts’ clerks may be pushing him a little too. I’m no admirer of his but Justices can and do change with times.

and they do have a reputation to consider.

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:19:28am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I hope I am wrong.

Me too, man.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:21:07am

NY is huge. He can’t have Barr interfere there.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:21:44am

Amy Howe at SCOTUSBLOG points to a footnote in the Roberts opinion:

We agree that Presidents are neither absolutely immune from state criminal subpoenas nor insulated by a heightened need standard.” Here’s some key language: “We agree that Presidents may challenge specific subpoenas as impeding their Article II functions.” “And although we affirm while Justice Thomas would vacate, we agree that this case will be remanded to the District Court.”

Trump’s facing prosecution the moment he leaves office on state tax fraud charges.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:22:23am

re: #263 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

NY is huge. He can’t have Barr interfere there.

Correctamundo (legal term).

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:22:37am

re: #264 lawhawk

Amy Howe at SCOTUSBLOG points to a footnote in the Roberts opinion:

Trump’s facing prosecution the moment he leaves office on state tax fraud charges.

And he can’t get Barr to interfere there. I can’t stress this enough.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:22:45am

Mazars will be up next…. wait for it…. wait for it…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:23:24am

re: #267 lawhawk

Mazars will be up next…. wait for it…. wait for it…

I’m optimistic based on Vance.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:23:30am

re: #266 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And he can’t get Barr to interfere there. I can’t stress this enough.

Yep - that’s why I figured that Trump v. Vance would be the biggest headache for Trump if he lost that case…which he did.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:23:43am
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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:23:47am

Mazars: Trump wins on that one…. for now. Roberts again, and it’s also 7-2.

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:24:13am

via scotusblog.com:

In a footnote, Roberts notes that the “daylight between our opinion” and the Thomas “dissent” is “not as great as that label might suggest.” “We agree that Presidents are neither absolutely immune from state criminal subpoenas nor insulated by a heightened need standard.” Here’s some key language: “We agree that Presidents may challenge specific subpoenas as impeding their Article II functions.” “And although we affirm while Justice Thomas would vacate, we agree that this case will be remanded to the District Court.”

Amy Howe

A little bit of “burying the lede”, but it sounds like the CJ is (as has been noted) unwilling to utterly overturn precedents - even where political pressure is on the line - IIRC, Trump had tried to have the whole subpoena issue quashed on “I AM The Law!” grounds, but obviously the SC isn’t buying it.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:24:48am

re: #264 lawhawk

Amy Howe at SCOTUSBLOG points to a footnote in the Roberts opinion:

Trump’s facing prosecution the moment he leaves office on state tax fraud charges.

an ex president
prosecuted
criminally

the whole notion of him self pardoning becomes kind of pointless if state level charges will eat up all his ‘free’ time anyway

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:25:08am

re: #271 lawhawk

Mazars: Trump wins on that one…. for now. Roberts again, and it’s also 7-2.

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Oh wow, I was off. But still.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:25:59am

The Mazars/Deutsche Bank decisions were consolidated.

The holding: The courts below did not take adequate account of the significant
separation of powers concerns implicated by congressional subpoenas
for the President’s information.

This too is being vacated and remanded to the District Court. Same lineup as the Vance case.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:27:43am

What argument will Trump’s lawyers use now to delay?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:29:25am

re: #276 jaunte

What argument will Trump’s lawyers use now to delay?

All the documents need to be quarantined due to COVID-19.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:31:45am

re: #276 jaunte

What argument will Trump’s lawyers use now to delay?

They get to avoid having this decided before November. That’s a win for Trump.

In these tax cases, the District gets to rehear on the Congressional powers and they have to focus on separation of powers arguments this time around, while the Vance case will move ahead and Trump can try to run out the clock until after the election.

In some sense, Roberts punted both cases without ruining the Court’s independence. Trump isn’t entirely above the law, but justice delayed is still justice denied. Trump gets to exploit the delays.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:32:35am

re: #232 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

cdc says nuh-uh

Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said that the guidelines for reopening schools will not be revised, CNN reports.

We’re in complete lame duck territory. And I’m here for it.

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:33:51am

So apparently, with these “separation of powers” cases, the Roberts Court has basically said that if Congress demands information that a President doesn’t want to give, he can (legally) tell them to fuck off, but that if a court does, he can’t?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:34:34am

re: #278 lawhawk

They get to avoid having this decided before November. That’s a win for Trump.

In these tax cases, the District gets to rehear on the Congressional powers and they have to focus on separation of powers arguments this time around, while the Vance case will move ahead and Trump can try to run out the clock until after the election.

In some sense, Roberts punted both cases without ruining the Court’s independence. Trump isn’t entirely above the law, but justice delayed is still justice denied. Trump gets to exploit the delays.

That’s what I meant about I wish I was wrong…

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:35:38am

re: #281 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Now, there’s an outside shot that the District might expedite this, but I doubt that’ll happen. Because Trump will appeal any decision against him again to the Circuit and then back to the Supreme Court.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:37:10am
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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:37:19am

Meanwhile, Long Island continues to be a total fucking racist embarrassment.

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sagehen  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:38:02am

re: #278 lawhawk

They get to avoid having this decided before November. That’s a win for Trump.

In these tax cases, the District gets to rehear on the Congressional powers and they have to focus on separation of powers arguments this time around, while the Vance case will move ahead and Trump can try to run out the clock until after the election.

In some sense, Roberts punted both cases without ruining the Court’s independence. Trump isn’t entirely above the law, but justice delayed is still justice denied. Trump gets to exploit the delays.

So if he loses the election, do the Congressional subpoena cases become moot and those documents won’t have to ever be produced?

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:39:15am
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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:40:14am
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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:41:15am

re: #285 sagehen

I think there’d be a different procedure for them to go after those tax records; the NY case is the one to watch going forward since that clearly survives Trump leaving office.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:42:20am

re: #212 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:44:54am

Trump is predictably losing his shit and lying his ass off about the case outcomes.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:46:01am

I get the feeling Trump will finally escape prosecution by dying before all the evidence comes out.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:46:28am
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calochortus  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:46:34am

re: #117 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The same as I offered up the thread. There is nothing to prevent small groups of parents from getting together with other trustworthy parents in a closed group, both for entertainment and for education. Others who are childless can also help if they wish, or you could even pay them. Eject anyone from the group who intentionally flouts the rules. Essentially, set up a one-room schoolhouse.

This allows parents some time away from children, allows children with responsible parents to play together and study together, &c. The system will work both in large cities and in small villages (and large cities have the advantage of Internet infrastructure, vast public libraries, &c).

Tonight several of the children from our town went to the pop-up drive in theatre in Scottsbluff to see the movies “Minions” and “Despicable Me.”

Is it harder than simply putting kids on the bus? Sure. If I had school age children I damn sure wouldn’t be putting them on a school bus for a one-way twenty-two mile trip (not counting side roads) twice a day. (It doesn’t matter since our school will not open on time anyway.)

If you’re still around, Anymouse, what you are suggesting is opening the schools. With kids in social “bubbles” throughout the day. Obviously that will work differently in rural and urban areas, and older kids will need a lot of online work to supplement it.

I have no problem with that approach.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:47:34am

He loses his shit, finds it, loses it again, finds again, keeps losing it. Kind of like Zedie with his reading glasses.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:49:49am

GOT CAIGHT

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:50:17am
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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:51:18am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:51:38am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:51:54am

re: #295 The Pie Overlord!

LOL he’s losing his shit.

Good.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:53:25am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

LOL he’s losing his shit.

Good.

Misspellings and all caps shit show.

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:54:27am

re: #298 The Pie Overlord!

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Heh.
I guess ol’ “Sleepy Joe” wasn’t sleeping through THIS (checks timestamp on tweet).

And yeah: “losing his shit” with that insane diatribe: Joe must be smiling at the prospect of more free advertising for his campaign……

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:54:32am
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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:55:09am

re: #291 jaunte

I get the feeling Trump will finally escape prosecution by dying before all the evidence comes out.

Fine. Bury him and then go after the offspring.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:56:30am

re: #303 makeitstop

Fine. Bury him and then go after the offspring.

Maybe Ivanka can design some prison uniforms for herself, her brothers, & Jared.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:56:54am

re: #303 makeitstop

Fine. Bury him and then go after the offspring.

Shoot the fucker’s remains into the sun. That way his idiot supporters need to stare at the sun to see their cult leader.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:57:16am

This was my thought on Cy Vance. I’m a little soured on Sarah of late but this is valid.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 7:58:28am

re: #305 lawhawk

Shoot the fucker into the sun. That way his idiot supporters need to stare at the sun to see their cult leader.

A cannon in the direction of Russia. Or if you want to go more American, tar and feathering.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:00:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:01:43am

re: #306 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This was my thought on Cy Vance. I’m a little soured on Sarah of late but this is valid.

Yeah, I used to have such a crush on Sarah, but this is the poison pill inside this decision.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:02:22am

re: #308 lawhawk

And that means….?

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Florida Panhandler  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:03:23am

re: #246 lawhawk

This is the part of the story where Trump goes to prison.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:03:40am
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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:05:07am

Disturbing to know that we have a criminal President that’s being protected as best they can by the majority of SCOTUS.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:05:49am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:05:55am

re: #312 jaunte

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The Strzok-Page “play” was distracting to this President too.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:07:19am

re: #297 lawhawk

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He’s “done more than any president in history.”

But what has he done, except try to kill healthcare for million, and abetting the deaths of more than 130,000 Americans in the past three months?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:07:21am

re: #314 The Pie Overlord!

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And before we worry about Vance, remember that he definitely will be feeling pressure to investigate this. Voter scrutiny of DAs is an issue we haven’t seen in the past.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:07:36am

Woohoo!!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:07:52am

re: #316 Sir John Barron

He’s “done more than any president in history.”

But what has he done, except try to kill healthcare for million, and abetting the deaths of more than 130,000 Americans in the past three months?

He’s also done more to destroy our credibility than any President.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:07:55am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:08:09am

re: #295 The Pie Overlord!

GOT CAIGHT

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He seems upset

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:08:53am

The murder/suicide of thousands of Texas Republicans has been canceled.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:08:59am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

LOL he’s losing his shit.

Good.

Or, another day in America

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:09:20am

re: #321 Sir John Barron

He seems upset

He’s always upset because he’s never going to be an American Putin.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:10:16am

re: #290 lawhawk

Trump is predictably losing his shit and lying his ass off about the case outcomes.

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Everything is not fair to him.

He’s a perfect wingnut.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:12:08am

re: #325 Sir John Barron

Everything is not fair to him.

He’s a perfect wingnut.

He really is the personification of the conservative movement. That’s what the Never Trumpers need to realize. Their ideological movement was based in resentment from the minute WFB wrote tracts defending Jim Crow and McCarthyism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:12:09am

re: #324 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’s always upset because he’s never going to be an American Putin.

Because America has some experience with democracy and democratic rule. Putin and his ilk can only rule where people have known nothing but autocracy, authoritarianism, colonialism or chaos.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:12:54am

re: #318 Patricia Kayden

Woohoo!!

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Good.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:13:18am

re: #258 lawhawk

It’s remanded to the District Court. Trump will try to run out the clock - because he has nothing to hide.

He can’t run out the clock in the sense of it being over in January. This has nothing to do with his presidency.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:14:08am

re: #329 Belafon

He can’t run out the clock in the sense of it being over in January. This has nothing to do with his presidency.

His main concern is keeping it under wraps until November.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:14:09am

re: #327 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because America has some experience with democracy and democratic rule. Putin and his ilk can only rule where people have known nothing but autocracy, authoritarianism, colonialism or chaos.

That’s my point. He despises the institutions that keep us from not having a dictator in chief. He’s an anti democracy piece of shit.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:15:16am

re: #312 jaunte

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Distract him from what?

Tweeting nonstop all day long?

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:15:40am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:16:43am

re: #332 Sir John Barron

Distract him from what?

Tweeting nonstop all day long?

Seriously he had time to meet with the actors for the weird CPAC play but not to listen to the briefing about his pal Vlad putting bounties on our troops.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:17:39am
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🌹UOJB!  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:18:29am

re: #143 Ace-o-aces

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:19:49am

re: #332 Sir John Barron

Distract him from what?

Tweeting nonstop all day long?

And his golf game.

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Teukka  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:22:17am

re: #90 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This thread is something.

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My surprised face, etc. etc. etc.

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:25:33am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:26:09am

re: #336 🌹UOJB!

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Noot seems upset about failed nation Confederacy statues coming down.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:26:40am

re: #339 makeitstop

Oh I can well imagine he’s probably screaming at the staff and the interns. He’s gotta be apoplectic.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:28:17am

re: #318 Patricia Kayden

Deleted. 😢

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:28:54am

re: #292 lawhawk

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Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton say “What?”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:29:21am

re: #340 Sir John Barron

Noot seems upset about failed nation Confederacy statues coming down.

Well Newt owes his doughface ass’s career to pandering to Lost Causers so yeah.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:29:53am

re: #271 lawhawk

Mazars: Trump wins on that one…. for now. Roberts again, and it’s also 7-2.

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Who were the dissenters this time?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:29:59am

re: #324 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’s always upset because he’s never going to be an American Putin.

I’m not willing to count him out yet. Barr may have his own October surprise.

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:30:09am

An interesting point that I’d forgotten about…

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:32:00am
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Belafon  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:32:00am

re: #346 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m not willing to count him out yet. Barr may have his own October surprise.

The only October surprise that has succeeded was the one that discouraged people from voting for Clinton. Trump is a known quantity. There is no surprise that’s going to help him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:32:16am

re: #346 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m not willing to count him out yet. Barr may have his own October surprise.

I’m trying to stay glass half full. And I really believe most Americans want this nightmare to end.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:32:33am

re: #349 Belafon

The only October surprise that has succeeded was the one that discouraged people from voting for Clinton. Trump is a known quantity. There is no surprise that’s going to help him.

Exactly.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:33:37am

In all the hullaballoo about Trump’s taxes, this SCOTUS ruling slipped past everyone’s attention:

The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled by a 5-4 margin that nearly half of Oklahoma is an Indian reservation in the eyes of the criminal-justice system, preventing state authorities from prosecuting offenses there that involve Native Americans.

The decision was potentially one of the most consequential legal victories for Native Americans in decades. It was written by Justice Neil Gorsuch, a Westerner who has sided with tribes in previous cases and joined the court’s more liberal members.

“Today we are asked whether the land these treaties promised remains an Indian reservation for purposes of federal criminal law,” Justice Gorsuch wrote. “Because Congress has not said otherwise, we hold the government to its word.”

nytimes.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:34:52am

re: #346 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m not willing to count him out yet. Barr may have his own October surprise.

Trump still has a lot of aces up his voluminous sleeves, and the more desperate his situation, the more extreme his measures will be. And if is shockingly outrageously awesome enough, it could distract/paralyze us just long enough to work.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:36:51am

re: #352 Dr Lizardo

In all the hullaballoo about Trump’s taxes, this SCOTUS ruling slipped past everyone’s attention:

nytimes.com

Gorsuch has surprised me in some ways. He’s never going to be the liberal justice I’d want but he’s demonstrated he’s to me he’s an improvement over his predecessor as well as Alito/Thomas. Not an endorsement of him but if he turns out to be an ideological replacement for Kennedy rather than Scalia, I’m ok.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:41:00am

re: #349 Belafon

The only October surprise that has succeeded was the one that discouraged people from voting for Clinton. Trump is a known quantity. There is no surprise that’s going to help him.

I’m not talking voting.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:43:54am

re: #350 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m trying to stay glass half full. And I really believe most Americans want this nightmare to end.

Indeed we do. But absolute power corrupts absolutely. Barr is shady as fuck and anti-democracy. There’s a lot of shit he could do to remain in power. There will likely be investigations into him once this is said and done. Not trying to be all Debbie Downer but we need to be vigilant on all fronts.

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:44:22am

re: #336 🌹UOJB!

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So does Newt have some sort of app that generates a random RW buzzphrase on his phone?
I see he has been using “Marxist” as his latest cliche lately… wonder what’s next?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:45:05am

re: #350 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m trying to stay glass half full. And I really believe most Americans want this nightmare to end.

but our system does not necessarily elect the candidate with the most votes…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:45:23am

re: #357 Jay C

So does Newt have some sort of app that generates a random RW buzzphrase on his phone?
I see he has been using “Marxist” as his latest cliche lately… wonder what’s next?

“Kenyan”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:46:05am

re: #356 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Indeed we do. But absolute power corrupts absolutely. Barr is shady as fuck and anti-democracy. There’s a lot of shit he could do to remain in power. There will likely be investigations into him once this is said and done. Not trying to be all Debbie Downer but we need to be vigilant on all fronts.

His term ends on 1/20/21. I’m sorry but the constant Debbie Downer stuff really gets annoying. So many were convinced that he would never lose the House and that he would never be impeached either. It just gets really old. I’m not some polyanna here. They tried to go after Biden on two big fronts and it backfired. I just think we need to realize that as of right now the odds are looking very good that he’s gone in Jauary.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:46:59am

re: #358 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but our system does not necessarily elect the candidate with the most votes…

Oh for fuck sake, you act like I don’t know that. You know damn well what I mean.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:48:47am

I’m sorry but the constant Debbie Downer shit makes it hard to be on here at times. Guys he has a ten point deficit in many national polls. He’s below 40% in several of them. I think he had a difficult road to re-election even before Covid. Right now, he has one of the most difficult roads to re-election a President has faced in a long time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:49:18am

re: #361 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Oh for fuck sake, you act like I don’t know that. You know damn well what I mean.

It is clear at this point that most Americans would not vote to re-elect Trump. We have to make sure that those votes are cast, counted and registered, and in the right places.

Because the worse Trump slumps in the poles, the only chance left to him is to undermine the outcome.

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🌹UOJB!  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:49:54am

re: #189 Dread Pirate

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:50:25am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:51:17am

re: #363 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is clear at this point that most Americans would not vote to re-elect Trump. We have to make sure that those votes are cast, counted and registered, and in the right places.

Because the worse Trump slumps in the poles, the only chance left to him is to undermine the outcome.

He tried to undermine the outcome in an election he technically won because he convinced himself that he actually won the popular vote by watching kooky conspiracy bullshit. I’m just saying. The odds are against him at this point and the constant doom and gloom shit is exhausting to those of us trying to have a discussion. I’m trying not to get angry here but it gets old.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:51:23am

re: #362 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m sorry but the constant Debbie Downer shit makes it hard to be on here at times.

I was a Chicago Cub fan from my childhood, I know what it looks like to see defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

But my inner Cubs fan will not let me feel better until the results are in and Trump is out…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:55:42am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was a Chicago Cub fan from my childhood, I know what it looks like to see defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

But my inner Cubs fan will not let me feel better until the results are in and Trump is out…

I’m an Orioles fan. I know that just as well as you do if not more so since the Cubs have at least a WS in your lifetime. Just give ti a res.. We know you’re cynical. We all were shellshocked by 2016 to some extent and still are. But some of us also are looking at what’s different now and it is beyond frustrating to constantly act like Trump is some genius who always comes back. We got all but two Congressional Dems including one who is now a Republican to vote for his impeachment. Our candidate is challenging him in places that Republicans should feel safe. I can’t predict the future anymore than you can but it’s hard not to be bullish about defeating him in the fall. If you want to worry about the aftermath of Trump and how we’re going to recover, I’m there with you but I feel there is reason for optimism in November.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:55:49am

re: #362 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m sorry but the constant Debbie Downer shit makes it hard to be on here at times. Guys he has a ten point deficit in many national polls. He’s below 40% in several of them. I think he had a difficult road to re-election even before Covid. Right now, he has one of the most difficult roads to re-election a President has faced in a long time.

Had the COVID-19 pandemic never occurred, I would’ve given him 50/50 odds. But now, he’s flailing and desperate. His magic, his ability to bullshit, is failing him. Only his hardcore base still responds to his utterances. And given Trump’s past track record of self-defeating behavior (we see that in his business career) the election is Biden’s to lose.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:56:40am

re: #353 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump still has a lot of aces up his voluminous sleeves, and the more desperate his situation, the more extreme his measures will be. And if is shockingly outrageously awesome enough, it could distract/paralyze us just long enough to work.

Which aces would those be?

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garzooma  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:57:24am

re: #362 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m sorry but the constant Debbie Downer shit makes it hard to be on here at times. Guys he has a ten point deficit in many national polls. He’s below 40% in several of them. I think he had a difficult road to re-election even before Covid. Right now, he has one of the most difficult roads to re-election a President has faced in a long time.

People are worried about Covid, even though the chances of catching and dying from it are only around 1%.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:57:42am

re: #369 Dr Lizardo

Had the COVID-19 pandemic never occurred, I would’ve given him 50/50 odds. But now, he’s flailing and desperate. His magic, his ability to bullshit, is failing him. Only his hardcore base still responds to his utterances. And given Trump’s past track record of self-defeating behavior (we see that in his business career) the election is Biden’s to lose.

I mean to use a history analogy but he’s Hitler in the fueherbunker at this point giving orders to armies that don’t exist. This isn’t the Trump that had the aid of Putin in 2016. This is Trump helpless. And btw his pal Vlad has lost some of his own magic which is why he had to engage in shenanigans to make himself in charge for lfie.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:57:50am

re: #370 Belafon

Which aces would those be?

Declaring war, coming up with some excuse to declare Martial Law…unprecedented moves, but then again, he is down so far that he knows that he has to really do something blindingly unexpected and extreme in the hopes of pulling it off.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:57:52am

re: #356 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Indeed we do. But absolute power corrupts absolutely. Barr is shady as fuck and anti-democracy. There’s a lot of shit he could do to remain in power. There will likely be investigations into him once this is said and done. Not trying to be all Debbie Downer but we need to be vigilant on all fronts.

Barr is shady, and yet New York is going to get Trump’s tax returns.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:59:35am

re: #371 garzooma

People are worried about Covid, even though the chances of catching and dying from it are only around 1%.

Exactly and he’s proven that he’s uninterested in that. What’s he going to do? Suddenly develop empathy and Biden suddenly lose his genuine empathy? I’m trying not to come off angry here but some of y’all need to realize that this is a different atmospehre than 2016. It just comes off like the same stuff I saw in 2008 from people who were convinced that W would declare Martial Law and make himself POTUS for life. Hell, I actually thikn part of Trump would be okay with losing in a way.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2020 • 8:59:46am

re: #371 garzooma

People are worried about Covid, even though the chances of catching and dying from it are only around 1%.

Even if you don’t die from it, it will fuck your shit up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:00:53am

re: #374 Belafon

Barr is shady, and yet New York is going to get Trump’s tax returns.

once they are released, they will be leaked…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:01:38am

re: #376 Dread Pirate

Even if you don’t die from it, it will fuck your shit up.

exactly. and maybe your chances are 1%, but what about grandmas/grandpa’s chances?

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:01:50am

re: #373 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Declaring war, coming up with some excuse to declare Martial Law…unprecedented moves, but then again, he is down so far that he knows that he has to really do something blindingly unexpected and extreme in the hopes of pulling it off.

At noon, on November 3rd, Trump is going to try to declare the election over, and that he won, because those fifteen voters are just going to be done and it’ll be over soon. And then, states get declared for Biden, he’ll just declare that the rest of them will turn for him, and some people will realize that they haven’t counted California yet.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:01:54am

re: #346 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m not willing to count him out yet. Barr may have his own October surprise.

Durham investigation is getting weaponized.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:02:13am

re: #376 Dread Pirate

Even if you don’t die from it, it will fuck your shit up.

Exactly. I’m not really at risk given my age and health to die but I’m definitely worried about getting it and the long term implications on my health and I think most people feel that way.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:03:40am

re: #371 garzooma

People are worried about Covid, even though the chances of catching and dying from it are only around 1%.

Maybe it’s 1% or maybe it’s 2%, but it certainly can leave serious apparently permanent damage to the body, even when people survive. And some who catch it are ill for months. And 1% is still at least 10 x higher than the seasonal flu.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:04:34am

re: #362 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

At this point, he has the hardest path to re-election since Jefferson Davis.

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Blizard  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:05:41am

Karen
Debbie (downer)
Pollyanna

I’m a female and I do have a sense of humor but..I’m sighing right now. The Karen thing is getting old, and fast. Probably because it’s used by BOTH sides of the aisle.

Peeking in from Colorado. Juvenile bear spies while mamma bear hovers nearby.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:05:43am

re: #377 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

once they are released, they will be leaked…

Just imagine the hoopla if it gets leaked that the records Deutsche Bank is handing over to the NY AG shows clear evidence of money laundering on Trump’s part.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:06:08am

Pence is masked; the paltry crowd isn’t.

This is not going to end well for Trump or Pence.

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:06:53am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:07:06am

re: #383 Sufficient unto the day…

At this point, he has the hardest path to re-election since Jefferson Davis.

I mean we’re facing double digit unemployment, a pandemic that has gotten worse while it’s gotten better in many countries similiar to ours, and he’s completely uninterested in the pressing issue of law enforcement reform. Vlad can’t help him here. Hell Vlad was only able to help him just enough in the EC. And I hate to come off like I’m dragging HRC but Biden isn’t HRC. People like him in a way that they never did Clinton.

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cat-tikvah  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:08:09am

re: #386 lawhawk

Ugh. He’s coming to Philly to suck up to/”support” the police.

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mmmirele  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:08:57am

And in “water’s wet,” “it’s another day ending in Y” news, we knew this already but:

KANYE WEST
IN MIDST OF SERIOUS BIPOLAR EPISODE
… Family Very Concerned

tmz.com
Kanye West is in the throes of a serious bipolar episode, our Kanye sources say, and those around him are concerned it has impacted his decision-making and some of the things he’s said in the last week … sources close to Kanye tell TMZ.

Our Kanye sources tell us, he suffers a serious bout with his bipolar disorder, usually once a year … and our sources say Kanye’s in the midst of one now.

As you know, Ye announced he’s running for president via Twitter over the weekend, and also did a rambling interview with Forbes … which drew harsh criticism, confusion and concern.

Our sources say his family and those close to him are worried, but they believe things will stabilize as they have in the past. The problem here, we’re told — Kanye’s proclamations are causing problems.

Of course, Kanye’s apparent bipolar episode hasn’t kept him from garnering presidential campaign support from the likes of Elon Musk … who hung with the rapper just days prior to his announcement.

Others are much more skeptical, and that skepticism likely grew in the wake of Kanye’s wide-interview with Forbes … in which he dumped Trump, slammed Biden, revealed he’s running as part of a new party called the “Birthday Party,” claimed he had COVID-19, pushed an anti-vaxx narrative and talked a lot about God.

What the interview didn’t touch on, weirdly, was Kanye’s mental health.

tmz.com

Yes, you don’t have to tell me that TMZ is a notorious gossip site run by Harvey Levin. I know that. But it’s been generally known that Kanye has issues with mental health and I am not surprised he’s having an episode. This needs to come out so that Kanye’s delusions of grandeur can be squashed definitively. All we need is a bunch of dumbass fans writing in his name in key states.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:09:27am

re: #384 Blizard

Karen
Debbie (downer)
Pollyanna

I’m a female and I do have a sense of humor but..I’m sighing right now. The Karen thing is getting old, and fast. Probably because it’s used by BOTH sides of the aisle.

Peeking in from Colorado. Juvenile bear spies while mamma bear hovers nearby.

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My wife’s name is Karen. She’s half-Mexican, bilingual, and about as progressive as it gets. She has turned the other cheek on this several hundred times.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:09:33am

re: #380 Barefoot Grin

Durham investigation is getting weaponized.

Haven’t heard anything much recently about Durham. My guess is that if Durham waits till October to try to spring indictments that there will be pushback the like we have never seen. If Durham has an ounce of integrity (unlike Barr who has none), there will be no such indictments

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Mattand  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:10:00am

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Growing number of Texas sheriffs refuse to enforce governor’s mask requirement

Think about it: every one of these conservative, armed, most likely heavily religious LEOs in positions of power are basically telling a Trump proxy/ass kisser to fuck off.

My big worry is that elements of law enforcement and the military are going to try some sort of coup if Biden wins in November.

I get shit for saying that, but I also got shit four years ago for saying a Trump win was a possibility. Many police forces in this country responded to accusations of police brutality by basically walking up to cameras and going “We’ll show you what brutality really is.”

I’m assuming Texas sheriffs voted for Abbot and they’re telling him to fuck off. Can you imagine what they’ll do if Biden and the Dems are in charge?

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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:10:21am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:10:22am

re: #390 mmmirele

Can’t recall who it was here who speculated yesterday that Kanye was most likely in a manic phase.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:10:22am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:10:41am

re: #385 Dr Lizardo

Just imagine the hoopla if it gets leaked that the records Deutsche Bank is handing over to the NY AG shows clear evidence of money laundering on Trump’s part.

whatever they hand over will be embarrassing enough as it will indicate how heavily leveraged his properties are and make it clear why he is desperate to get things opened up again asap

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:11:36am

re: #380 Barefoot Grin

Durham investigation is getting weaponized.

What? More “Obamagate” shit?
And so far, where has that “investigation” gotten - in terms of any sort of real, actionable “evidence” of anything?
Not that it’s not imaginable that Trump/Barr might TRY to get some sort of campaign mileage out of - what? Arresting Peter Sztrok and Lisa Page? - indicting Hunter Biden? - and for what? Not liking Donald Trump?
I think it’s a case of a self-fucking rat, here: the more the Admin tries to “go after” people on specious grounds, the more corrupt and desperate they look. And the more it sheds light on the Trump regime’s/campaign’s seedier underside: (documented) sleaze which The Donald’s repeated paranoid blitherings aren’ going to make go away.

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ericblair  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:11:57am

re: #372 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean to use a history analogy but he’s Hitler in the fueherbunker at this point giving orders to armies that don’t exist. This isn’t the Trump that had the aid of Putin in 2016. This is Trump helpless. And btw his pal Vlad has lost some of his own magic which is why he had to engage in shenanigans to make himself in charge for lfie.

Putin’s got his own problems, yep: this whole referendum was to really show his power to the oligarchs (so he’s worried about that), and analysts think he failed. The real COVID economic fallout is still warming up in the bullpen there, in Europe, and in the US, and that’s the real danger for him. The Kremlin still wants Trump to win, but he’s been a failure for them. They basically want the US out of NATO and sanctions removed, and although Trump has thrown some sand in the gears, both are still there.

My read is that Trump is going to be the zombie candidate. He won’t quit, but won’t put any effort into anything besides useless rallies, and whine about how everyone is mean to him while the GOP gets dragged down by this boat anchor.

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Mattand  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:13:33am

re: #389 cat-tikvah

Ugh. He’s coming to Philly to suck up to/”support” the police.

I’m pretty sure most Philly cops love him, if their assaulting many of the protesters in the recent marches is any indication.

The cops were basically working with the thugs in South Philly to “protect” the Columbus statue, which included doing nothing when a reporter got assaulted.

There’s a reason I give those guys a wide berth when I’m over there. They’re fucking nuts.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:15:55am

re: #392 Hecuba’s daughter

Haven’t heard anything much recently about Durham. My guess is that if Durham waits till October to try to spring indictments that there will be pushback the like we have never seen. If Durham has an ounce of integrity (unlike Barr who has none), there will be no such indictments

It’s on my mind because I’ve just read a piece in Lawfare co-authored by Jack Goldsmith and Nathaniel Sobel. Here is part of their analysis:

2. Barr’s Role

No contemporary attorney general has, like Barr in the Durham investigation, offered such extended, opinionated, factually unsupported and damning public commentary, naming names and drawing conclusions, about an ongoing investigation that is at least in part a criminal investigation.

Barr’s commentary on the Durham investigation violates several Justice Department rules and norms. The department’s media contacts policy, which applies to “all DOJ personnel,” prohibits “respon[ses] to questions about the existence of an ongoing investigation or comment[s] on its nature or progress before charges are publicly filed.” None of the exceptions, such as for public safety, apply to the Durham investigation. Department regulations also prohibit information disclosure “relating to the circumstances of an … investigation [that] would be highly prejudicial or where the release thereof would serve no law enforcement function, such information should not be made public.” It is hard to see the law enforcement function of Barr’s public commentary.

Barr knows all this. He knows what he is doing is contrary to the rules and traditions of the Justice Department. He knows he is doing reputational harm to people nominally under investigation. He must know that the way he is comporting himself does damage to the department and will make whatever Durham finds more contestable than it otherwise would have been. In short, Barr has acted in ways that foreseeably politicize and damage the investigation that he initiated and has devoted so much time to. The question is: Why?

One possibility is that the evidence Durham has uncovered is objectively so damning that Barr’s commentary cannot delegitimize it. Perhaps, but we doubt it. No matter what problems Durham finds, assuming he finds some, they will be tainted due to the combined behavior of the president (who might not know better and who cannot control himself) and the attorney general (who does know better and can control himself but has chosen not to). If Barr and Durham have an October (or earlier) surprise, Barr’s actions now are diminishing its impact.

Another possibility is that Barr’s judgment is distorted by zeal. He has made clear that he thinks the people who investigated the Trump campaign and transition team were engaged in illegitimate efforts to reverse the outcome of the election. Perhaps he thinks that what happened was so bad, and that the department’s rules and processes were so abused, that he is justified in publicly damning and injuring the participants no matter what. Two wrongs make a right, perhaps, or the ends justify the means. Again, this logic makes little sense, for Barr is only hurting the case he is trying to build. And, if Trump loses in November, Barr is acting in ways that will invite an investigation of the Barr/Durham investigation of the Trump campaign investigation.

A third possibility is that Barr is an out and out partisan hack—a Sean Hannity equivalent operating from the Fifth Floor of the Justice Department to try to fire up the president’s base or give the president other short-term political advantages. This widely held view is difficult to square with Barr’s reputation for probity and establishment credentials, and with his recent description of the prosecution of Trump friend Roger Stone as “righteous,” but it is consistent with other aspects of his behavior and the Department’s (for example, the announcement of the Bash probe of the Flynn unmasking on the Hannity show).

When Durham announces the results of his investigation we will surely have a better sense about which (or which combination) of these three possibilities, or another one, is correct.

lawfareblog.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:15:57am

re: #393 Mattand

Think about it: every one of these conservative, armed most likely heavily religious LEOs in positions of power is basically telling a Trump proxy/ass kisser to fuck off.

My big worry is that elements of law enforcement and the military are going to try some sort of coup if Biden wins in November.

I get shit for saying that, but I also got shit four years ago for saying a Trump win was a possibility. Many police forces in this country responded to accusations of police brutality by basically walking up to cameras and going “We’ll show you what brutality really is.”

I’m assuming Texas sheriffs voted for Abbot and they’re telling him to fuck off. Can you imagine what they’ll do if Biden and the Dems are in charge?

I can’t speak about LEO but I wouldn’t worry about the military brass. In fact, I think the military brass is probably the part of the government that wants Trump back the least. He’s really pissed them off. As for these sheriffs, we vote for these guys and we can vote them out on their asses. Let them try thuggery and let them be unemployed.

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Mattand  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:16:07am

re: #391 Mike Lamb

My wife’s name is Karen. She’s half-Mexican, bilingual, and about as progressive as it gets. She has turned the other cheek on this several hundred times.

I have a cousin named Karen who unfortunately has the potential to live up to the term. A lot of barely restrained racism on that side of the family. “I’m not a bigot, but ‘those’ people…” and “Why can’t I say that word?” That kind of crap.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:18:05am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:18:20am

I do try not to use Karen. Meant no offense will polyanna but couldn’t think of another adjective that describes overly optimistic and as for Debbie downer, I was responding to someone calling themselves one. I actually prefer doom and gloom.

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Mattand  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:19:49am

re: #402 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I can’t speak about LEO but I wouldn’t worry about the military brass. In fact, I think the military brass is probably the part of the government that wants Trump back the least. He’s really pissed them off. As for these sheriffs, we vote for these guys and we can vote them out on their asses. Let them try thuggery and let them be unemployed.

I guess. This site is the exception, but I have yet to meet any military or LEO personnel that wouldn’t set their children on fire first before voting Democratic.

And as for voting them out: you need people to actually do that. I don’t see that happening in places like Texas.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:21:00am

“Karen” is getting used a lot on our community FB page by selfish assholes who don’t like people raising issues. It’s over small stuff, like “please pick up your dog’s poop on the riverfront trail!”—-“Ok, Karen! why don’t you just worry about your OWN dog.” Or, “Yes, I know fireworks are legal here, but please respect the time limits and think about veterans and dog owners….” “Ok, Karen! Why don’t you move to a town where it’s illegal?”

I’m pretty tired of it, too.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:21:23am

re: #395 Dr Lizardo

Can’t recall who it was here who speculated yesterday that Kanye was most likely in a manic phase.

👋🏼

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:22:36am

re: #395 Dr Lizardo

Can’t recall who it was here who speculated yesterday that Kanye was most likely in a manic phase.

Americans love them some manic.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:22:49am

re: #406 Mattand

I guess. This site is the exception, but I have yet to meet any military or LEO personnel that wouldn’t set their children on fire first before voting Democratic.

And as for voting them out: you need people to actually do that. I don’t see that happening in places like Texas.

As for Texas, I’ll give you that Dems flipped five house districts. As for the military, you might be surprised. It was the military departments that broke with Trump on the military bases and remember Biden himself is the father of a veteran and if Mary Trump’s book is true, Trump himself apparently said he would disown Don Jr if he enlisted. Not to mention his treatment of Vindman and others. I just think and I definitely empathize with your concerns, I just think there’s reason for optimism on beating him. I’m actually more uncertain on what will happen in the aftermath of Trump but I do remain optimistic about beating him in the Fall and I think Biden is proving to be a stronger candidate than most people gave him credit for but we still have four months to go.

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retired cynic  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:23:03am

re: #401 Barefoot Grin

Barr is a political hack. Period. IMO.

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:23:05am

re: #404 The Pie Overlord!

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Mattand  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:23:07am

re: #407 Barefoot Grin

“Karen” is getting used a lot on our community FB page by selfish assholes who don’t like people raising issues. It’s over small stuff, like “please pick up your dog’s poop on the riverfront trail!”—-“Ok, Karen! why don’t you just worry about your OWN dog.” Or, “Yes, I know fireworks are legal here, but please respect the time limits and think about veterans and dog owners….” “Ok, Karen! Why don’t you move to a town where it’s illegal?”

I’m pretty tired of it, too.

We had a similar thing happen where kids were defacing the nature trail in our community, and my partner got called “Caren” in the FB group she posted on.

Yes. With a “C”.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:23:31am

re: #408 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

👋🏼

Well….looks like you were right.

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:23:54am

re: #401 Barefoot Grin

When Durham announces the results of his investigation we will surely have a better sense about which (or which combination) of these three possibilities, or another one, is correct.

I’m thinking the “other one” is going to be “All Of The Above”.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:23:56am

re: #336 🌹UOJB!

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Confederates stopped being American as soon as they ratified the secession declaration papers.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:23:57am

re: #407 Barefoot Grin

“Karen” is getting used a lot on our community FB page by selfish assholes who don’t like people raising issues. It’s over small stuff, like “please pick up your dog’s poop on the riverfront trail!”—-“Ok, Karen! why don’t you just worry about your OWN dog.” Or, “Yes, I know fireworks are legal here, but please respect the time limits and think about veterans and dog owners….” “Ok, Karen! Why don’t you move to a town where it’s illegal?”

I’m pretty tired of it, too.

I actually find the Boomer stuff most exhausting. Because it ignores the very shitty people my age that are responsible for a lot of right wing bullshit.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:24:08am

re: #393 Mattand

Think about it: every one of these conservative, armed, most likely heavily religious LEOs in positions of power are basically telling a Trump proxy/ass kisser to fuck off.

My big worry is that elements of law enforcement and the military are going to try some sort of coup if Biden wins in November.

I get shit for saying that, but I also got shit four years ago for saying a Trump win was a possibility. Many police forces in this country responded to accusations of police brutality by basically walking up to cameras and going “We’ll show you what brutality really is.”

I’m assuming Texas sheriffs voted for Abbot and they’re telling him to fuck off. Can you imagine what they’ll do if Biden and the Dems are in charge?

A big portion of that, which I agree with, is Abbott is trying to have it both ways. Now he wants people to wear masks, he says people can be fined, but he’s told law enforcement that they can’t use any mechanisms to actually force people to wear them. That makes it toothless.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:24:50am

re: #404 The Pie Overlord!

Good. I hope we also see changes in how judgments against the police are paid and the way in which limited immunity shields bad cops from
accountability.

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lizardofid  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:26:31am

re: #409 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Americans love them some manic.

Music, sweet music
I wish I could caress, caress, caress

Hello everyone!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:27:10am

Time for lunch. Take care all.

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retired cynic  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:28:00am

Two long and documented SPLC Hatewatch articles on Jack Posobiec, nothing surprising to any of us! Apparently there was so much stuff, there will be a series.

Jack Posobiec’s Rise Tied to White Supremacist Movement

Twitter Gave Free Rein for Jack Posobiec To Publish Antisemitic Hate and Disinformation

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:30:00am
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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:33:04am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:34:02am

re: #424 lawhawk

We’re fast approaching the point of having to replant the whole fucking orchard.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:34:24am

re: #423 Charles Johnson

Only thing more glorious would have been a ruling insisting that the tax documents were released immediately, instead of remanding to the District Court to try and get compliance from Trumpworld. Deutsche Bank already indicated they’d comply with the subpoenas, but that’s not enough given that Trump will still try to slither his way out fo this mess.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:34:58am

re: #413 Mattand

We had a similar thing happen where kids were defacing the nature trail in our community, and my partner got called “Caren” in the FB group she posted on.

Yes. With a “C”.

San Francisco official proposes ‘CAREN Act,’ making racially biased 911 calls illegal

The “CAREN Act” (Caution Against Racially Exploitative Non-Emergencies) was introduced on Tuesday at a San Francisco Board of Supervisors meeting by Supervisor Shamann Walton.

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:34:59am
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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:35:19am

re: #404 The Pie Overlord!

[Embedded content]

I love how it’s facing the building.

He’ll probably never go back there, which is also a plus.

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:36:46am

re: #429 makeitstop

I love how it’s facing the building.

He’ll probably never go back there, which is also a plus.

A neighborhood-improvement twofer.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:37:48am

re: #301 Jay C

Heh.
I guess ol’ “Sleepy Joe” wasn’t sleeping through THIS (checks timestamp on tweet).

And yeah: “losing his shit” with that insane diatribe: Joe must be smiling at the prospect of more free advertising for his campaign……

biden will love to stay in his basement until Nov. 3
he’ll make videos and they’ll ensure they are carefully edited (take 2!)

while trump dominates the news, and keeps shooting himself in the foot almost every day…

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:38:31am

re: #303 makeitstop

Fine. Bury him and then go after the offspringestate.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:38:44am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:39:02am

re: #429 makeitstop

re: #430 wrenchwench

Donnie’s very bad, no good day.

I have little doubt he’s raging right now. Whining and screaming about how everyone and everything is so unfair to him.

Just like a fucking two-year-old throwing a tantrum.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:39:16am

re: #373 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Declaring war, coming up with some excuse to declare Martial Law…unprecedented moves, but then again, he is down so far that he knows that he has to really do something blindingly unexpected and extreme in the hopes of pulling it off.

Martial law declarations are like voting in that those are things delegated to the states.
They’re delegated to the states.

50 states. 50 governors. 50 secretaries of state.

I know we learned from countless movies, about martial law, But still.
That’s not a federal matter. It’s also more limited in scope than one might think. It is only implemented if local government is truly non-functional.

Non-functional as in the courhouses are destroyed and the judges are all dead.
(Note: Government may often be dysfunctional—I’m in Massachusetts!— but that’s not the same thing at all!)

I say this, being deeply cynical, and still traumatized by 2016: I don’t put up with scenarios thrown out on social media. I see enough of that from Berners and MAGAts on Twitter and Facebook.

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Blizard  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:39:33am

re: #391 Mike Lamb

I have a preference for when we didn’t feminize the RWNJs or SJWs and hope to see it go back to that. But I know how unrealistic it is to wish, being a realist and all.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:39:50am

re: #411 retired cynic

Barr is a political hack. Period. IMO.

That seems to me to be the likeliest explanation. I read the excerpt from Lawfare piece, and from that, it appears that he is giving Barr too much of the benefit of the doubt. Trump has fully transformed the GOP into a cult of personality/mafia family. You can’t work in the upper levels of the administration without being a Trump loyalist first and a GOP hack second, so this statement: “This widely held view is difficult to square with Barr’s reputation for probity and establishment credentials” is no longer applicable. Frankly, it’s not altogether clear if it was ever applicable given his hackery in his first tenure.

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jimmyvluv4u  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:40:06am

re: #428 wrenchwench

It is certainly a wide-open competition, but baby Tapirs may indeed be the cutest things ever created.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:40:09am

re: #401 Barefoot Grin

….

….
Another possibility is that Barr’s judgment is distorted by zeal. He has made clear that he thinks the people who investigated the Trump campaign and transition team were engaged in illegitimate efforts to reverse the outcome of the election
……
A third possibility is that Barr is an out and out partisan hack—a Sean Hannity equivalent operating from the Fifth Floor of the Justice Department to try to fire up the president’s base or give the president other short-term political advantages. This widely held view is difficult to square with Barr’s reputation for probity and establishment credentials…

lawfareblog.com

He never deserved this reputation — he was always a dishonest zealot in service to RW Republicans. Too many attorneys accord deference to those who speak softly and with knowledge; anyone who looked at his behavior under Bush 41 and Iran-Contra would know that he had no respect for law. His letter auditioning for Trump’s AG showed that he had no probity. Any lawyer who supported him because they believed he was an establishment candidate who cared about the rule of law is unbelievably gullible.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:40:43am

re: #322 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The murder/suicide of thousands of Texas Republicans has been canceledpostponed.

[Embedded content]

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:41:31am

re: #432 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Why not both? :)

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:42:14am

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

His main concern is keeping it under wraps until November.

its too late for november to matter electorally

he’s going to lose (imo)

if his taxes came out now, he might lose worse

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:43:01am

re: #437 Mike Lamb

That seems to me to be the likeliest explanation. I read the excerpt from Lawfare piece, and from that, it appears that he is giving Barr too much of the benefit of the doubt. Trump has fully transformed the GOP into a cult of personality/mafia family. You can’t work in the upper levels of the administration without being a Trump loyalist first and a GOP hack second, so this statement: “This widely held view is difficult to square with Barr’s reputation for probity and establishment credentials” is no longer applicable. Frankly, it’s not altogether clear if it was ever applicable given his hackery in his first tenure.

Absolutely. One thing the Kavanaugh nomination and Barr hire as AG has revealed is how much unearned courtesy these white guys get from people (generally other white guys) who know already about the hinky stuff they’ve been involved with since at least the 1980s and 90s

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sagehen  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:44:55am

re: #405 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Meant no offense will polyanna but couldn’t think of another adjective that describes overly optimistic .

Candide.

“Everything is for the best in the best of all possible worlds.”

The overall message of the story is that optimism is a mental disorder, that people ought to face up to the reality that we live in an utter shitshow, and the world is a house of horrors.

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Blizard  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:49:03am

re: #404 The Pie Overlord!

[Embedded content]

I hope there are other cameras pointed at it. I have a feeling it will get defaced, and soon, if people don’t guard it.

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Blizard  Jul 9, 2020 • 9:53:29am

re: #405 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah, I understand. And I wasn’t calling you or anyone out in particular. I noticed all three were posted around the same time. It’s just my general sentiment. But I’m also not losing any sleep over it. Bigger, stinkier fish to fry, like orangefacewhiteeyes.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 9, 2020 • 10:01:51am

re: #393 Mattand

Think about it: every one of these conservative, armed, most likely heavily religious LEOs in positions of power are basically telling a Trump proxy/ass kisser to fuck off.

My big worry is that elements of law enforcement and the military are going to try some sort of coup if Biden wins in November.

I get shit for saying that, but I also got shit four years ago for saying a Trump win was a possibility. Many police forces in this country responded to accusations of police brutality by basically walking up to cameras and going “We’ll show you what brutality really is.”

I’m assuming Texas sheriffs voted for Abbot and they’re telling him to fuck off. Can you imagine what they’ll do if Biden and the Dems are in charge?

It’s a revolution from the bottom up. THAT is believable. I can believe that. It’s the martial-law-from-the-president scenarios that I have a problem with.

(Now, whether it will succeed, that’s a different matter!)


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