A Dark Vision: Protomartyr, “I Am You Now”

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I’m suddenly hooked on this band; been binging on all their latest videos. They make a hell of a noise.

Protomartyr - “I Am You Now”, taken from ‘Ultimate Success Today’, out now on Domino Record Co.
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Produced by: Autry René Fulbright
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419 comments

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2020 • 4:48:21pm

Had a bunch of meat world stuff to deal with today! There is still such a thing, oddly enough.

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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2020 • 4:49:34pm

US Military reflexively acts to help and support in humanitarian role as it has done in countless other disasters, all while Trumpworld is ambivalent or worse - spreading misinformation about the explosion.

Trump has turned the US into a failed state in less than 4 years.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 7, 2020 • 4:50:51pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Had a bunch of meat world stuff to deal with today! There is still such a thing, oddly enough.

We are like dogs, not matter how long you have been gone (days or minutes) we are happy to see you.

FT and FP

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 4:51:43pm

re: #3 I Would Prefer Not To

We are like dogs, not matter how long you have been gone (days or minutes) we are happy to see you.

And any sign of normal life.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 7, 2020 • 4:52:55pm

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 4:54:49pm
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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 4:56:18pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 7, 2020 • 4:58:12pm
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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 4:58:30pm

Postal Service Coup

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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2020 • 4:58:42pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:02:02pm
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b.d. (Boring Competence 2020!)  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:02:08pm

re: #10 lawhawk

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The old “two weeks from now” bit? People still falling for that?

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:02:45pm

From downstairs:
re: #554 b.d. (Boring Competence 2020!)

The White House Press Corps is the most pathetic bunch of spineless sheep I have ever seen.

Whoever is setting up for Trump is incompetent. All the good video techs left after Obama. I work in a public access cable studio and we can do better than this!

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Jack Burton  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:04:38pm

re: #8 The Pie Overlord!

Yet another executive order for something that cannot be done by executive order. He does realize none of this shit going to last 5 seconds in court does he not?

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:06:22pm

re: #14 Jack Burton

Yet another executive order for something that cannot be done by executive order. He does realize none of this shit going to last 5 seconds in court does he not?

HDGAF. It’s the announcement that matters, not actually doing something.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:08:18pm

People need to start pushing back against the media and start pointing out that ‘job gains’ aren’t real, true job gains, but ‘job recoveries’ from their previous high.

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:08:35pm

A glint of beauty and charm: The original children’s book that Kiki’s Delivery Service was based on, is being released in English with a new translation.
The Magic of Translation: Interviewing Kiki’s Delivery Service Author Eiko Kadono and Translator Emily Balistrierii

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:08:48pm

Today is my second year anniversary in this delightful community.

In the words of Donald J Trump, celebrate me!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:17:00pm
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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:17:41pm

President Used Car Salesman

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:19:25pm

JFC

I hope the campaign is paying … I can’t even finish.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:23:07pm

It’s almost as if Obamacare never happened.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:23:48pm

re: #21 Teddy’s Person

JFC

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I hope the campaign is paying … I can’t even finish.

And I hope they all fucking get it.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:24:15pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:25:55pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:26:07pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:27:26pm
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Belafon  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:28:25pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

He’s going to kill a bunch of rural people before the election.

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:34:56pm
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Citizen K  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:44:29pm

Well…I guess we’ll see if Trump really is functionally King at this point.

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:47:14pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:48:06pm
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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:54:58pm
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Belafon  Aug 7, 2020 • 5:58:34pm

re: #33 jaunte

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:00:48pm
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Belafon  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:01:24pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:03:02pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:03:02pm

It took me almost 15 minutes to type a one sentence text to my boss, in reply to her text of yesterday, in which she announced that she’s stepping down as deli manager to go work up front as a cashier. This came after she had a stroke in February, came back to work part time in June, and went to full time in July.

She sent me a three sentence answer in about 5 seconds.

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:09:04pm

Wait, what?

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:10:30pm
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b.d. (Boring Competence 2020!)  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:11:42pm

re: #39 Teddy’s Person

Wait, what?

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WE HAVE TO!! HILLARY SOLD ALL OF OUR URANIUM TO THE RUSSIANS!!!

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wrenchwench  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:24:40pm
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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:24:50pm
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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:27:20pm

18 months for a retweet. How very Russian.

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wrenchwench  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:29:41pm
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Belafon  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:32:42pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

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What happens to side characters in the script.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:35:28pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

The 2020 Libertarian Party presidential nominee has been bitten by a possibly rabid bat.

He should apply free market principles to keep the bats in his belfry healthy.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:37:17pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:38:18pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

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It begins……

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:39:30pm

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Republicans will do ANYTHING to get Kanye West on the ballot!

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:45:31pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:45:49pm

Five students in quarantine after 1st day of school in Alabama
al.com

That’s one school, one of the few open, not an aggregate of the system.

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:49:29pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:53:03pm

Looking at news reports from football country, you can see a pattern: The 2-3 weeks of Summer team practice has introduced the bug early to schools. It will be there waiting for them when the math club arrives.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:55:32pm

Schools insist on football. They’re gonna wind up like James Caan in Rollerball with only 1 or 2 people on a team.

BUT

Rome must have its’ gladiators!

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:57:01pm

re: #55 🌹UOJB!

You’d think there would be thousands of hours of recorded football that people hadn’t seen yet.

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 6:58:33pm
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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:00:41pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:01:20pm

The mayor of my town is actually named Biff.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:05:34pm

re: #56 jaunte

You’d think there would thousands of hours of recorded football that people hadn’t seen yet.

Nope.

I was born and raised in Western Pennsylvania where the Friday Night High School Football Game is THE Event in lots of towns. They got to see it live. Remember when a schoolmate did a 95 yard run and got tackled at the 1 yard line. His Dad never forgave him for that. His dad continually chewed him out for that in public. One time we were in the A&P shopping and Mom was shocked at the Dad yelling at Nick.

Nick killed himself and left a suicide note saying his life was destroyed because he was tackled over that single play.

Even at Nick’s funeral his Dad STILL said Nick failed him.

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retired cynic  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:06:46pm

re: #60 🌹UOJB!

That is way beyond sick, and borders manslaughter, IMO.

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:10:59pm

re: #60 🌹UOJB!

Horrible. Some people don’t deserve to have children.

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Jay C  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:14:10pm

re: #60 🌹UOJB!

What a terrible and tragic story.
Though it sounds like there was something more going on there than just the football.

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:15:36pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:24:32pm

Evening Lizardim from a corner of the wild north country. I have fled the fishbowl for a vacation away - to the southwest, where I have cavorted amongst the bison and surveyed the sweeping bends of the Minnesota River. How go things among the lizardfolk on this summer Friday eve?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:28:14pm

Can trump be sued to stop the post office massacre? Should it at least be postponed until after the election.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:28:57pm

re: #65 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Evening Lizardim from a corner of the wild north country. I have fled the fishbowl for a vacation away - to the southwest, where I have cavorted amongst the bison and surveyed the sweeping bends of the Minnesota River. How go things among the lizardfolk on this summer Friday eve?

Drizzly, then thunderstorms through this section of eastern PA today. Overcast afterwards.

The cat requested that I turn the drizzle off this morning when I let her out. And refused to accept any excuse I made about being unable to do so.

Otherwise, pretty much a quit home day.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:29:56pm

re: #67 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I walked nearly 10 miles today, and 6 miles yesterday. Outdoors is where my body goes when my mind needs to refresh itself. I ache everywhere, but I am mostly restored.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:35:55pm

re: #68 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I walked nearly 10 miles today, and 6 miles yesterday. Outdoors is where my body goes when my mind needs to refresh itself. I ache everywhere, but I am mostly restored.

I need to get out walking, but have had issues with my left foot since late June. Inflammation is finally down, but there is still a bit of pain from putting full weight on it, especially when doing things like going up and down stairs.

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:36:43pm
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DodgerFan1988  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:39:50pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:43:36pm

re: #71 DodgerFan1988

I don’t see the GOP as a party of Russia per se. Instead, I see the GOP as being omni-corrupt, and Russia under Putin merely being a convenient international partner for various kinds of corruption.

The point of this distinction is that stopping Russians from meddling in 2020 would be useful, but that’s really just a bandaid. The real problem is the festering and infinite corruption of the GOP.

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BigPapa  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:45:27pm

The reason Russia likes Trump and China and Iran don’t: Russia is a mobligarchy and they know Trump/GOP is down with that.

China and Iran, no saints themselves with their own problems, are not.

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mmmirele  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:46:28pm

re: #20 Teddy’s Person

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:50:05pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:51:13pm

No matter how many wrongs Trump does, his Trumpers will not change.

I see it on my Facebook stream.

Trumpers do everything the can to avoid reality.

It’s sad, but I’ve dealt with creationists for so long that this kind of behavior is easy to spot.

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stpaulbear  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:54:09pm

re: #65 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Evening Lizardim from a corner of the wild north country. I have fled the fishbowl for a vacation away - to the southwest, where I have cavorted amongst the bison and surveyed the sweeping bends of the Minnesota River. How go things among the lizardfolk on this summer Friday eve?

If you’re with the bison in Minneopa State Park and head over to view the falls, I did the design for the handrail along the north overlook. A combination of ADA requirements, historic matching, and stock materials (except the finials are custom to match the original railing).

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 7, 2020 • 7:59:20pm

re: #2 lawhawk

US Military reflexively acts to help and support in humanitarian role as it has done in countless other disasters, all while Trumpworld is ambivalent or worse - spreading misinformation about the explosion.

Trump has turned the US into a failed state in less than 4 years.

Let’s not blame Trump — it’s the entire GOP who are responsible. They could have stopped Trump at any time, but they are totally on board with his destruction of our nation. The Constitution and our laws required support from our institutions to survive. Instead, they have proved to be worthless pieces of paper, shredded and tossed in the trash, when the party controlling the Senate and the WH is the GOP, and the President is a sociopathic mobster who wishes to rule like a dictator. It is not clear how we are going to survive this — since they are working overtime to prevent a free and fair election.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:01:13pm

re: #77 stpaulbear

I am thinking of swinging by the falls area tomorrow, if my feet have recovered.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:04:37pm

re: #78 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump is the end result of decades of intense atavism by the religious right, to wage a religious war on the rest of us.

Trump knows this, which is why he plays to his fundamentalist marks all the time.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:06:24pm
omni-corrupt

That’s a keeper. +1

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:06:35pm

re: #78 Hecuba’s daughter

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:10:54pm

re: #82 jaunte

Yep. If Trump crashes and burns this November - and especially if he takes the GOP down with him - the GOP will do their utmost to absolve themselves of this four-year-long clownshow and claim that the Trump’s reign of error was nothing but some trivial aberration, that they had no choice but to go along with Trump and them promise, “Don’t worry folks….it won’t happen again. We learned our lesson.”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:18:01pm
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stpaulbear  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:18:22pm

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

I don’t think that the GOP will ever say “we learned our lesson” or accept any blame. They will say that they were thwarted by people who want to see America fail.

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stpaulbear  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:22:54pm

re: #79 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I am thinking of swinging by the falls area tomorrow, if my feet have recovered.

The falls area is pretty low impact for your feet. All gentle slopes and not a long walk from the parking lot.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:23:21pm

re: #85 stpaulbear

I don’t think that the GOP will ever say “we learned our lesson” or accept any blame. They will say that they were thwarted by people who want to see America fail.

That’s a distinct possibility; I could easily see them going with that line as well.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:24:27pm

re: #86 stpaulbear

The falls area is pretty low impact for your feet. All gentle slopes and not a long walk from the parking lot.

And I am in need of something to round out my trip. Thursday night I explored the river front, today I visited the bison range, tomorrow before I head home to my weary labors I need one more good place to connect with nature and a waterfall sounds perfect.

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stpaulbear  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:26:11pm

re: #86 stpaulbear

The falls area is pretty low impact for your feet. All gentle slopes and not a long walk from the parking lot.

Edit to specify the falls viewing area. If you want to go down below and explore the river, that’s a little more work.

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EPR-radar  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:26:47pm

re: #85 stpaulbear

I don’t think that the GOP will ever say “we learned our lesson” or accept any blame. They will say that they were thwarted by people who want to see America fail.

The GOP hasn’t yet learned the lessons of the Great Depression. In fact, the entire Movement Conservative project is a wildly successful GOP attempt to avoid any reality-based policy making in response to the issues of that era.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:29:36pm

re: #85 stpaulbear

I don’t think that the GOP will ever say “we learned our lesson” or accept any blame. They will say that they were thwarted by people who want to see America fail.

Our only hope for survival as a nation is for both Trump and the Congressional GOP (both House and Senate) to go down in flames. But I’m old enough to remember the 1964 election which accomplished that — and then, thanks to the war and the GOP Southern strategy, Nixon became president 4 years later. We need to squash these traitors so that there is no hope of resuscitation, but the Trumpster fanaticism and their full-throated efforts to undermine our election process terrify me. The only thing that gives me hope is what happened in Wisconsin this spring, when despite the successful GOP efforts to force an in-person election, the Democratic judge won.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:32:50pm

re: #79 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I am thinking of swinging by the falls area tomorrow, if my feet have recovered.

need pics. Of the falls and the handrails.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:36:05pm

And now for something completely different: German nudist runs after boar who stole his laptop

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:37:47pm

re: #92 I Would Prefer Not To

need pics. Of the falls and the handrails.

Will definitely do, if that’s where I wind up in the morning.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:48:33pm

I’m afraid to ask….

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:49:01pm

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BigPapa  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:51:08pm
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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:51:25pm

re: #95 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Must be an Iowa thing.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:52:40pm

re: #85 stpaulbear

I don’t think that the GOP will ever say “we learned our lesson” or accept any blame. They will say that they were thwarted by people who want to see America fail.

Just because we were there, and know better screw that. Obscurity for a generation or two is the remedy for us and the GOP. Watch them fall and celebrate.

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:53:20pm

re: #93 Hecuba’s daughter

A boar with two young ones in train.

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BigPapa  Aug 7, 2020 • 8:55:49pm

Oh shit, I’mma have to admit the Q-Cumbers were right

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Aug 7, 2020 • 9:14:04pm

re: #56 jaunte

I was thinking that a database of game outcomes play by play could be digitized with different teams say a 1971 Broncos v Chiefs game recast digitally as a 2020 49ers v Rams game. Jared Goff substitutes for Len Dawson, etc.

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2020 • 9:18:28pm
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Jay C  Aug 7, 2020 • 9:31:55pm

re: #103 jaunte

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Not really “news” - that the whole phony “Biden/Ukraine/corruption” non-scandal has basically been a would-be political hit-job* on Joe by pro-Russian players pissed off that the Obama Admin fucked them over by siding with the -y’know - pro-Ukrainian Ukrainians back in 2014, and have probably been waiting to shiv him* ever since; ought to have been obvious for a long time.

* Fortunately (since we’re talking about Russians here) figuratively.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 7, 2020 • 9:39:27pm

Holy shit. This is like Walter Cronkite saying holy shit.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 7, 2020 • 9:41:45pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 7, 2020 • 9:45:19pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 7, 2020 • 9:47:41pm

Is it January 22nd yet??

I’m so sick of Trump.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2020 • 9:59:55pm

re: #107 Dread Pirate Ron

I read elsewhere the requirement to get on the ballot in Illinois is 25,000 signatures; owing to the current pandemic, they lowered that requirement down to 2,500.

Kanye couldn’t even meet that drastically reduced threshold. Heh.

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gwangung  Aug 7, 2020 • 10:02:52pm

re: #109 Dr Lizardo

I read elsewhere the requirement to get on the ballot in Illinois is 25,000 signatures; owing to the current pandemic, they lowered that requirement down to 2,500.

Kanye couldn’t even meet that drastically reduced threshold. Heh.

Well, Illinois isn’t the point. More swing states like WI are.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2020 • 10:08:03pm

re: #110 gwangung

Well, Illinois isn’t the point. More swing states like WI are.

I was just reading he might’ve missed the filing deadline in Wisconsin as well.

comicsands.com

IMHO, Kim Kardashian needs to put her foot up his ass and talk some sense into him.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 7, 2020 • 10:12:08pm

Anyone here keep a dream journal?

I did not in the past, but the past couple of years have done so…

Upon reflection, the set of dreams are pretty telling.

Keeping a Dream Journal

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 7, 2020 • 10:13:38pm

re: #111 Dr Lizardo

IMHO, Kim Kardashian needs to put her foot up his ass and talk some sense into him.

The same Kim Kardashian who did whatever she could to maker her lips, boobs, and butt as big as possible, to sell herself as the ultimate sex symbol, and lead her younger sister into marketing herself too?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2020 • 10:15:38pm

re: #113 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The same Kim Kardashian who did whatever she could to maker her lips, boobs, and butt as big as possible, to sell herself as the ultimate sex symbol, and lead her younger sister into marketing herself too?

Unfortunately, yes….the very same Kim Kardashian. 😑

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mmmirele  Aug 7, 2020 • 10:20:07pm

re: #113 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The same Kim Kardashian who did whatever she could to maker her lips, boobs, and butt as big as possible, to sell herself as the ultimate sex symbol, and lead her younger sister into marketing herself too?

Sisters.

Khloe, Kylie and Kendall are all younger than Kim. Kylie got busted by Forbes earlier this year for inflating the value of her cosmetics company so she could be declared the “youngest billionaire ever” (at age 22).

forbes.com

The whole family is full of sharks.

I would note that Kanye has admitted a bunch of Evangelical dominionists into his current circle and I suspect they are influencing him negatively. I’m going to give you this link to a Fox News article about Shawn Bolz. He is in California and is part of the circle surrounding Bethel Church in Redding. Bolz, who is derisively called the “iPad prophet” because he “prophesies” with a phone or iPad in his hand (the better to check up on the people previously identified as attending his events) “predicted” Kanye’s transformation four years ago.

foxnews.com

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sagehen  Aug 7, 2020 • 10:38:57pm

Want some nightmare reading?

thewrap.com
Lawrence Wilkerson Walks Bill Maher Through Worst Case Scenarios if Trump Loses This Fall
Wilkerson, a member of the Transition Integrity Project, was the top of the show guest on “Real Time”

On Friday’s episode of “Real Time,” Bill Maher’s top-of-the-show guest was Lawrence Wilkerson, a retired Army colonel and prominent critic of both U.S. foreign policy and Donald Trump. And during a discussion of one of Maher’s favorite topics — his worry that Trump might not honor the election results if he loses in November — Wilkerson broke down some worst case scenarios.

Wilkerson is a member of two bipartisan task forces dedicated to election integrity, including one that recently held “war games” to figure out just how such an unthinkable scenario might play out. As Maher noted, it’s a particularly “urgent” question since recently, Trump hinted in an interview with Chris Wallace that he might not uphold the election results if he loses — in other words, the President of the United States suggested he might conduct a cop d’etat.

Wilkerson explained that the Transition Integrity Project, which conduced the ‘war games,’ included “some really high-powered political analysts, scholars and others playing the Republicans,” many of which are Republicans, and “Democrats playing the Dems.”

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2020 • 10:51:37pm

re: #116 sagehen

On disturbing thing Wilkerson relayed to Maher was that “when the Republican team got the scenario ‘decisive Biden win’ and threw its moves out there, the Democratic team was stunned by the arrogance, the sheer power and the sheer indecency, if you will, of the Trump team moves. Everything from, Okay, we got 70 days to destroy the United States government. We’ve got 70 days in which to not provide the incoming team with any transition whatsoever; You want to know what our policy is on Iran, on China, on taxes, you won’t know it because we’ve destroyed all the paperwork and we won’t let anyone brief you. You are coming into an empty White House.”

“There’ll be no national security council staff, nothing to brief you,” Wilkerson continued. “You might have a note in your desk drawer in the West Wing that says, ‘Welcome, you stupid idiot.’”

I can see this scenario unfolding; A scorched-earth strategy by an outgoing Trump administration, driven into action by a petty and vengeful POTUS, infuriated that he lost. I’ve posted before I can all too easily see the Trumpites (and a big chunk of the GOP) going full Götterdämmerung if Biden wins, regardless of whether it’s a landslide or a closer margin of victory.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 7, 2020 • 11:00:38pm
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sagehen  Aug 7, 2020 • 11:25:15pm

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

I can see this scenario unfolding; A scorched-earth strategy by an outgoing Trump administration, driven into action by a petty and vengeful POTUS, infuriated that he lost. I’ve posted before I can all too easily see the Trumpites (and a big chunk of the GOP) going full Götterdämmerung if Biden wins, regardless of whether it’s a landslide or a closer margin of victory.

Wilkerson believes that conservatives/Trumpers own about 60-70% of the privately owned guns in America, and fears what they might do if Trump calls them to action. (and what percentage of cops, prison guards, border patrol, ICE, Nat’l Guard etc are on his side?).

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 7, 2020 • 11:33:44pm
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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Aug 7, 2020 • 11:37:15pm

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

I can see this scenario unfolding; A scorched-earth strategy by an outgoing Trump administration, driven into action by a petty and vengeful POTUS, infuriated that he lost. I’ve posted before I can all too easily see the Trumpites (and a big chunk of the GOP) going full Götterdämmerung if Biden wins, regardless of whether it’s a landslide or a closer margin of victory.

Another reason to be glad it’s Biden. He spent eight years immersed in this, and should be able to carry on without a full briefing.

(DT’s minions aren’t competent to provide that kind of instruction anyway, but between the low-level civil service employees who are still there, and the senior people who were forced out and have offered to come back, the new administration will be able to pick up the reins.)

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Aug 7, 2020 • 11:46:48pm

re: #119 sagehen

Wilkerson believes that conservatives/Trumpers own about 60-70% of the privately owned guns in America, and fears what they might do if Trump calls them to action. (and what percentage of cops, prison guards, border patrol, ICE, Nat’l Guard etc are on his side?).

Sure, they might have arsenals of hundreds of weapons, but how many hands do they have? And the number of people who identify as repugs has been steadily decreasing, so I don’t know how many how many will take to the streets.

But if they do, consider the location of the red parts of the US. The nearly empty central plains and rural parts of some blue states. I don’t see them marching out to take charge of the cities.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 7, 2020 • 11:57:48pm

YouTube

What is an Esher demo?
After returning from India, the band recorded demos of the new songs at George Harrison’s bungalow in Esher, Surrey. These sessions became known as the Esher Demos, and signify a point in the band’s career before everything went haywire.

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:02:15am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:08:57am

re: #121 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Another reason to be glad it’s Biden. He spent eight years immersed in this, and should be able to carry on without a full briefing.

(DT’s minions aren’t competent to provide that kind of instruction anyway, but between the low-level civil service employees who are still there, and the senior people who were forced out and have offered to come back, the new administration will be able to pick up the reins.)

Biden is currently receiving national security briefings, so he’s up to date with what’s going on.

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piratedan  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:14:06am

re: #116 sagehen

in all fairness, this is a legit concern that he’s raising but not for the reasons listed…

I fully expect that if Biden wins, they’ll be a full-scale effort to restore the government to a rational functioning system and what will likely happen is that for those mid-management staff that remain, they’ll be asked to simply turn back the clock and follow the procedures that were in place under 44 and proceed from there as a policy standpoint.

Will that be daunting in and of itself, yes, but I can’t see anyone treating what was done under 45 as having any legitimate merit and so instead of actually trying to give it the benefit of the doubt, you don’t, you simply trash it and start over.

The real reason that these guys will trash the joint on their way out is to namely destroy the evidence of all of the heinous shit that they perpetrated and if they think that they will have done that to cover their tracks, well, I fully expect that while wrecking things is what they’re really good at, the other ability that they’ve shown is a propensity for stepping on their dicks.

What will be the most painful to watch is if we actually show the national will to root out this evil will be to uncover the audit/correspondence and money trail that illustrates just how many members of the Senate/House/Cabinet/Media are complicit in this scheme and their trials, be they done here for the national crimes or The Hague for the international ones, will be make us both a laughingstock and also restore some needed goodwill in the world.

I’ve seen a lot of conversation regarding the possible formation of a truth and reconstruction committee to get to the bottom of these crimes and if that does indeed come to pass, and we do show the national will to get this done, there will be a political and social cleaning of our national Augean Stables. While I am not vindictive by nature, the GOP has fundamentally developed into a national crime syndicate and needs to be burnt to the ground for the sake of the national discourse. The scary thing is, I think folks like Jen Rubin and Tom Wilson also see the need. Naturally, I expect certain elements in the media to try and both sides this bullshit and I fully expect that we may very well see some national standards attempting to define what journalism actually is, what is opinion and what is news and actually bringing context into the discussion.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:16:46am

Dammit, I wasn’t going to spam the night with Beatles songs but WTF is this?

YouTube

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:18:10am

re: #15 The Pie Overlord!

HDGAF. It’s the announcement that matters, not actually doing something.

Just like it was only the announcement that the Ukrainian government would be investigating Biden that counted, not the investigation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:21:24am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

My aunt and her family live in Arizona, in Arpaio’s former county, and I’ve visited a lot. They’re definitely NOT right wingers, they dislike Trump, not racist, vote Democrat mostly, but for some weird reason they’re “kinda OK” with Arpaio.

People there like Law and Order writ big and Low Taxes writ even bigger. Sheriff Joe and his policies and tent cities were a logical outgrowth of that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:25:26am

re: #85 stpaulbear

I don’t think that the GOP will ever say “we learned our lesson” or accept any blame. They will say that they were thwarted by people who want to see America fail.

They will be too busy defending God and Religion against Biden to have time for soul-searching.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:28:57am

re: #126 piratedan

If you’re reforming a system that involved the entire ruling class and went on for generations, truth and reconciliation are probably the only way to go, but we don’t have that issue here. We have a group of people who betrayed their oaths, their offices, their constituents and their country to support a crime family. I don’t need “truth” — what they were doing is here for all to see, and I’m not the least inclined toward reconciliation.

On which note, it’s past my bedtime. Keep on keeping on.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:30:26am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will be too busy defending God and Religion against Biden to have time for soul-searching.

As their demographic base shrinks further with each passing year. If they don’t engage in some soul-searching (or at the very least pull their heads out of their asses), they’re going to end up as a more-or-less permanent opposition party with its stronghold in the Deep South and rural parts of the Western US.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:34:11am

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

As their demographic base shrinks further with each passing year. If they don’t engage in some soul-searching (or at the very least pull their heads out of their asses), they’re going to end up as a more-or-less permanent opposition party with its stronghold in the Deep South and rural parts of the Western US.

That is the inherent conflict within the GOP: they are incapable of abandoning their ideologies. It means that their cravings to stay in power will lead them to even more extreme and illegal acts.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:36:27am

re: #133 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is the inherent conflict within the GOP: they are incapable of abandoning their ideologies.

If they cannot change or modify their ideology, then they will go the way of the Whigs.

Those who cannot adapt are condemned to extinction.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:54:25am

re: #134 Dr Lizardo

If they cannot change or modify their ideology, then they will go the way of the Whigs.

Those who cannot adapt are condemned to extinction.

in a fair and democratic system, yes…but there are ways of hanging on to power despite the will of the electorate…

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ericblair  Aug 8, 2020 • 1:04:04am

re: #126 piratedan

in all fairness, this is a legit concern that he’s raising but not for the reasons listed…

I fully expect that if Biden wins, they’ll be a full-scale effort to restore the government to a rational functioning system and what will likely happen is that for those mid-management staff that remain, they’ll be asked to simply turn back the clock and follow the procedures that were in place under 44 and proceed from there as a policy standpoint.

This. If you interact with the US government from the point of view of another government, you will quickly understand that there are two US governments: the institutional government that works as it always has and acts as it always has, and the lunatics in the White House. Of course, the lunatics reach down and fuck things up at the lower levels, but they have left so many mid-level positions open (the Deputy Assistant Secretaries and those types) that there is essentially an air gap between the governments. So, unless we’re talking about DHS, the lunatics are groping around blindly down there.

The lunatics can try to torch the place on their way out, but they don’t really have the knowledge or reach. Plus, we are well within the window where the bureaucracy can slow-roll and sabotage most attempts until the next government.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 1:06:40am

re: #136 ericblair

This. If you interact with the US government from the point of view of another government, you will quickly understand that there are two US governments: the institutional government that works as it always has and acts as it always has, and the lunatics in the White House.

This institutional government has come to be known as the “Deep State” as these are career professionals and highly trained specialists whose tasks go beyond any one administration and whose job it is to see to the interests of the nation and not just the current President.

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Alephnaught  Aug 8, 2020 • 1:16:37am

re: #90 EPR-radar

The GOP hasn’t yet learned the lessons of the Great Depression.

No surprise there. They have yet to learn the lessons of the Civil War.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 1:17:44am

re: #138 Alephnaught

No surprise there. They have yet to learn the lessons of the Civil War.

The War Between the States

The War for Southern Independence

The War of Northern Aggression

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 1:34:20am

Doom scrolling through the LGF threads tonight, came out of lurk mode for a comment on conservatives trying to reject the will of an election by force of arms.

As someone noted, how many guns can you use at one time? I’m pretty sure I can only use one.

Moreover, how many would really be willing to put their life down for something like that? Throughout history we’ve always had violent conservatives, but with the exception of the Civil War they were few in number. Without the support of state governments I doubt they could get that far, and I don’t see the National Guard throwing in with them as whole formations (maybe individual deserters). Plus the National Guard would be shooting at their own family, friends, &c.

In the worst-case scenario I can see, conservatives in the rural south and west might launch a low-level terrorism campaign to slaughter opponents. In that case, I would hope blue states would do something to get those people out; I expect I would be one of those slaughtered because there are too many liberals who seem to think whole states should be punished for the choices of GOP governments.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 1:38:58am

re: #140 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Doom scrolling through the LGF threads tonight, came out of lurk mode for a comment on conservatives trying to reject the will of an election by force of arms.

Guns are dick substitutes for many of these “conservatives”, for others it is their preferred method of Pissing off a Liberal. They will continue to do that regardless of the outcome of the election, which they will claim was shot through with (liberal) voter fraud regardless of the outcome and reject outright if they lose.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 1:50:19am

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Guns are dick substitutes for many of these “conservatives”, for others it is their preferred method of Pissing off a Liberal. They will continue to do that regardless of the outcome of the election, which they will claim was shot through with (liberal) voter fraud regardless of the outcome and reject outright if they lose.

They bellyache about liberal voter fraud anyway. The stories of “busloads of people from Massachusetts to New Hampshire” are legendary.

The trick is to motivate the squishy middle to get off their duffs and vote.

I seriously doubt there’s more than a handful of Democratic voters nationwide who would vote for Trump. Those who did last time saw their jobs outsourced (like the Carrier plant move) or eliminated (like the Lordstown car plant). They will not be voting for Trump again.

In the event Trump loses though, if there was any violence it would be easier for the sore losers to kill those around them in their own communities. Rather than launch an attack on Omaha or Chicago or Denver, it’s easier to pick people off where you outnumber them.

And that goes back to my worst-case vision about that: I am under no illusion that liberals in other states would give a damn about liberals in red states.

How many times do you see commentary such as “Well, you got the government you deserve” despite significant minorities of people not voting for those governments?

If such a condition was to pass, I would hope Canada or Mexico would open up asylum to Americans because I don’t see places like Illinois or California coming to do anything to help us.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:04:44am

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And that goes back to my worst-case vision about that: I am under no illusion that liberals in other states would give a damn about liberals in red states.

How many times do you see commentary such as “Well, you got the government you deserve” despite significant minorities of people not voting for those governments?

Just like Donald Trump seems to forget that there are Republicans who live and vote in California…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:09:21am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:21:23am

re: #144 Dread Pirate Ron

“Agent” would imply at least coerced cooperation.

They could also be “useful idiots” (they want to conserve and grasp more power, someone hands them some political information they think is worthwhile, they’re not really working for Russia, just themselves—I imagine if Canada gave them the same information they’d use it the same way).

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:28:53am

re: #145 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Canada would never interfere, and as a Canadian I am insulted, sir! //

I’m hosin’ ya, eh?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:29:44am

Nebraska media is noting the entanglements here with the NRA. It could be in this case that the filing is complicated and they haven’t gotten all the way through it to tease out the relevant information yet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:30:50am

re: #147 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I continue to be amazed by how little attention Iowa media has paid to major NRA scandals that have prominently involved Iowans.

Idiots
Out
Wandering
Around

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:31:11am

re: #146 Dread Pirate Ron

Canada would never interfere, and as a Canadian I am insulted, sir! //

I’m hosin’ ya, eh?

I just picked Canada as the seemingly least likely country to do something like that, though there are others like Costa Rica or Vanuatu.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:32:08am

Looks like another COVID-19 outbreak is underway in Singapore.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:34:22am

re: #145 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Remember, that is not illegal for other nations to try to influence our elections, but it is highly illegal for Americans to aid or solicit help from other nations in doing so.

Not to mention the fact that numerous persons closely connected to Trump have been convicted, sentenced (and in some cases, pardoned) for such crimes…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:36:50am

More feral conservatives:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:37:56am

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“We’ve had well over 100 people that have refused to keep their mask on during the flight,” Delta CEO Ed Bastian said.

This is nothing short of death-cult ideology

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:40:01am

LOLWUT?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:42:09am

re: #154 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Some parents are upset about the Springfield, Illinois, School District dress code saying students may not wear pajamas while taking classes online.

As a rule, I do not live in the clothes I sleep in or vice-versa, and I make my kids get dressed at home unless it is a Sunday or holiday and we are not planning to leave the house that day.

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thecommodore  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:44:43am

Black kitten loafing on the stairs. Deadly cuteness.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:45:03am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is nothing short of death-cult ideology

Evolution doesn’t favour those who can’t adapt.

Concerning Jerry Falwell, Jr., I expect he’ll be back, like others before him. It’s not because he’s a hypocrite though (well, others might view him as a hypocrite but within all Christian churches there are paths to redemption of wayward members, and Evangelical churches are no different).

As a part-time unpaid counter-apologist, learning about the traditions of various religious faiths (or knowing where to get the information) is part of my hobbies. It’s sort of the “outsider looking in” on religion.

I’m considering writing up why he’ll eventually be allowed to return (perhaps in a diminished capacity) as an article in the right-hand column. He would follow a long tradition of preachers and pastors of all faiths who have returned.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:47:23am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As a rule, I do not live in the clothes I sleep in or vice-versa, and I make my kids get dressed at home unless it is a Sunday or holiday and we are not planning to leave the house that day.

What is this “sleeping in clothes” thing of which you speak? /s

I sort of get the rule imposed by the school, particularly if they are using some sort of application where every student can see every other and the teacher can see all of them.

On-line learning does make it hard to measure a girl’s skirt above the knee, though I imagine they could still bust her for spaghetti straps.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:47:44am

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Evolution doesn’t favour those who can’t adapt.

Concerning Jerry Falwell, Jr., I expect he’ll be back, like others before him. It’s not because he’s a hypocrite though (well, others might view him as a hypocrite but within all Christian churches there are paths to redemption of wayward members, and Evangelical churches are no different).

I would have no trouble with it if it was only the Covidiots who got infected and died.

Falwell just went far enough over the line to piss his own people off and compromise the “moral authority” of his church and university. God will forgive him for his transgressions and he will be back thumping and condemning soon enough.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:48:31am

I do not sleep naked, not alone at least.

Feels like we are the last living cells in a dying body…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:50:54am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:53:27am

Vote for Democrats.

Steph Allen has already weathered one unimaginable crisis, the nightmare scenario that struck Grand Island and her new Teaching Tree childcare center this spring.

She had to close the Teaching Tree for eight weeks as the COVID pandemic hit Hall County earlier and harder than almost any other spot in Nebraska. When she reopened in June, her enrollment and revenue plunged by 40 percent. It’s only now that enrollment is back up and daily operations are starting to feel somewhat normal.

The good news is that both Steph and her high-quality child care center are still standing.

The bad news is that she can already see another crisis looming on the horizon.

“My biggest fear is when school starts back up in Grand Island,” she says. “How are parents going to react if schools have to close? Will my staff want to close here? And if it gets to the point that I have to close again, I will absolutely be in trouble financially unless there’s another round of (COVID relief) funding.

“So, what scares me the most? The months of August through December.”

(more at the Omaha World-Herald)
Midlands Voices: Nebraska child care businesses face enormous challenges

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thecommodore  Aug 8, 2020 • 2:54:13am

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Evolution doesn’t favour those who can’t adapt.

Concerning Jerry Falwell, Jr., I expect he’ll be back, like others before him. It’s not because he’s a hypocrite though (well, others might view him as a hypocrite but within all Christian churches there are paths to redemption of wayward members, and Evangelical churches are no different).

As a part-time unpaid counter-apologist, learning about the traditions of various religious faiths (or knowing where to get the information) is part of my hobbies. It’s sort of the “outsider looking in” on religion.

I’m considering writing up why he’ll eventually be allowed to return (perhaps in a diminished capacity) as an article in the right-hand column. He would follow a long tradition of preachers and pastors of all faiths who have returned.

Perhaps something like this is in his future?

YouTube

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:01:32am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:06:49am

re: #161 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Mainstream Czech media is pushing the idea that the Beirut explosion was either a terrorist attack or caused by an errant missile; in either case, Hezbollah is the culprit they’re pinning it on.

It goes to something I’ve noticed over the last few years - as conspiracy websites gain in popularity here in Czech Republic, respectable media feels compelled to follow along out of fear of losing readership and revenue. It’s disgusting.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:08:44am

re: #116 sagehen

Want some nightmare reading?

thewrap.com
Lawrence Wilkerson Walks Bill Maher Through Worst Case Scenarios if Trump Loses This Fall
Wilkerson, a member of the Transition Integrity Project, was the top of the show guest on “Real Time”

On Friday’s episode of “Real Time,” Bill Maher’s top-of-the-show guest was Lawrence Wilkerson, a retired Army colonel and prominent critic of both U.S. foreign policy and Donald Trump. And during a discussion of one of Maher’s favorite topics — his worry that Trump might not honor the election results if he loses in November — Wilkerson broke down some worst case scenarios.

Wilkerson is a member of two bipartisan task forces dedicated to election integrity, including one that recently held “war games” to figure out just how such an unthinkable scenario might play out. As Maher noted, it’s a particularly “urgent” question since recently, Trump hinted in an interview with Chris Wallace that he might not uphold the election results if he loses — in other words, the President of the United States suggested he might conduct a cop d’etat.

Wilkerson explained that the Transition Integrity Project, which conduced the ‘war games,’ included “some really high-powered political analysts, scholars and others playing the Republicans,” many of which are Republicans, and “Democrats playing the Dems.”

did you see yesterday’s story abou the book comk g.out that cites the military withholding use of force scenarios from trump lest he use them?

they will not back him in any ‘coup ‘

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:09:20am

re: #163 thecommodore

Perhaps something like this is in his future?

Pretty much.

Every church has traditions they emphasise more than others, whether it’s preaching, proselytising, Eucharist/Communion, readings from the Gospels, &c.

All churches preach in one way or another “all fall short of the glory of God” and “people are imperfect vessels for God’s glory” (I can understand it in the context they view it, though I don’t believe in things like “imperfect vessels,” “sin,” or God.)

That is, everyone’s a sinner, and God acknowledges sincere repentance (setting you up for another round of falling short). It is why the Catholic Church is notorious for allowing Confession to mobsters, Presbyterians forgive divorce, &c. Everyone is imperfect, so nearly all churches give each other a pass on what those of outside religious faith see as hypocrisy to their stated ideals. To them it’s a just a mistake.

In the case of most Evangelical churches, what’s emphasised is “Your Testimony,” or what it was which brought you to Jesus. Such testimonials are public, and are meant to be inspiring or motivating to others in the congregation.

The same goes with repentance. Repenting sins before God and community is another testimony, to get right with God. These testimonies of internal struggle (or “spiritual warfare”), acceptance, and asking of forgiveness are central to practicing faith in many Evangelical churches. Churches’ parishioners can spend quite a bit of time picking apart such testimonials, ostensibly to learn from it.

That is also why most churches’ congregations’ members pressure each other for “correct behaviour,” to enforce conformance to the particular sect’s stated doctrines.

To me, it all looks sort of culty, regardless of the church.

There is more to Evangelicals supporting Trump than his pandering to them (although that might be all he’s doing). To them, he’s advancing the work of The Kingdom (whether they view that as simply righteous society or working toward the Last Days). Like them, he also falls short of the glory of God, and is an imperfect vessel. Therefore he can be forgiven his multitude of sins, because (in addition to hating the same people they do) he is sort of a running testimonial (I don’t get it either, but I’m not an evangelical—I have read him described that way).

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:15:36am

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

There is more to Evangelicals supporting Trump than his pandering to them (although that might be all he’s doing). To them, he’s advancing the work of The Kingdom …

Earlier I asserted that the religious right is waging a religious war on the rest of us in America, and Trump is just their weapon. They don’t care about him, but rather that he can destroy the heathen society that is modern America.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:17:00am

re: #161 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Legionnaires’ disease is not being misdiagnosed as COVID-19, and a missile wasn’t responsible for the massive explosion in Beirut. Here are the facts.

when you rely on social media feeds for news, those thing become “facts”…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:18:06am

re: #163 thecommodore

Perhaps something like this is in his future?

Of course, a man can sin and beg forgiveness, a women is forever tainted and stained.

And abortion supporters can never be saved until they stop running abortion mills and selling baby parts…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:19:05am

re: #165 Dr Lizardo

Mainstream Czech media is pushing the idea that the Beirut explosion was either a terrorist attack or caused by an errant missile; in either case, Hezbollah is the culprit they’re pinning it on.

It goes to something I’ve noticed over the last few years - as conspiracy websites gain in popularity here in Czech Republic, respectable media feels compelled to follow along out of fear of losing readership and revenue. It’s disgusting.

Also, why bother paying journalists to investigate a story when you can just get an intern to mine the Internet for content?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:19:53am

re: #166 dangerman

did you see yesterday’s story abou the book comk g.out that cites the military withholding use of force scenarios from trump lest he use them?

they will not back him in any ‘coup ‘

Each of the military chiefs has made a statement saying variations of “we will uphold the Constitution.”

Any revolt which materialises which does not have the backing of a significant portion of a nation’s armed forces is likely to fail. We have the most terrifyingly efficient military in the history of the world. When you can blow up a truckload of militants from half a world away, any such revolt wouldn’t stand a chance.

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:20:43am

re: #122 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Sure, they might have arsenals of hundreds of weapons, but how many hands do they have? And the number of people who identify as repugs has been steadily decreasing, so I don’t know how many how many will take to the streets.

But if they do, consider the location of the red parts of the US. The nearly empty central plains and rural parts of some blue states. I don’t see them marching out to take charge of the cities.

These people collect multiple guns, and they usually keep them all for themselves (no borrowing, usually.) They still have only two hands and only so many places on their person to put them without suffering a negligent discharge.

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:23:36am

re: #121 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Another reason to be glad it’s Biden. He spent eight years immersed in this, and should be able to carry on without a full briefing.

(DT’s minions aren’t competent to provide that kind of instruction anyway, but between the low-level civil service employees who are still there, and the senior people who were forced out and have offered to come back, the new administration will be able to pick up the reins.)

In 2016, there was concern-trolling about Madame Secretary Clinton getting a classified brief. I joked at the time that she told the briefers, “Naw, I’m good. Want some hot sauce?” And the next words our of her mouth were, “That’s interesting about Mr. So-and-So, but did YOU know…?”, as she briefed the briefers.

I think Joe is having some extremely interesting Zoom calls with Hillary.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:24:33am

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Of course, a man can sin and beg forgiveness, a women is forever tainted and stained.

And abortion supporters can never be saved until they stop running abortion mills and selling baby parts…

Well, women are stained because the Bible says so in Genesis. The abortion issue was smuggled in to Protestant churches from Catholic doctrine as an attempt to gain political power. For most of the history of Evangelical churches, they stayed out of politics, viewing it as “worldly” and “sinful” (or at least distasteful).

Almost any tradition of Christianity can find some support for their positions in the Bible somewhere.

The Old Testament’s Ten Commandments really aren’t ten: There are 513 commandments which are viewed as abominations to the Lord all in the same section of Exodus. Very few churches enforce the commandment against eating shellfish, even though that’s just as much an abomination as adultery.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:30:15am

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That’s probably part of it as well. But over the last four or five years, conspiracy and disinformation websites have become all the rage.

The most notorious is the Czech version of Russia’s Sputnik website, along with another website known as Parliamentary Pages, which shares a lot of content with the aforementioned Sputnik.

A website called Aeronet (ostensibly started by a shadowy figure who claims to be a Czech aviation enthusiast living in the USA, though it’s strongly suspected - thanks to some good ol’ investigate journalism - that he’s a Czech living in a small village not far from Prague who’s getting paid by individuals connected to the Russian government) which is the main promulgator of the QAnon craziness as well as anti-Semitism here.

Then there’s Patriotic News, which regularly calls for the summary execution of Czech government officials and notables like Greta Thunberg.

And finally, there’s another big site known as Anti-Current, which is somewhere between Free Republic, Infowars and Breitbart on the shrieking lunacy scale.

I used English translations of the names to spare anyone from having to stumble into those voids of madness.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:34:41am

Part of what opened the door to smuggling faith into politics is, sadly, Jimmy Carter.

When John F. Kennedy ran, he went to great pains to note he would not be beholden to diktat from the Holy See, but would uphold the secular Constitution (partly because of Protestant bigots).

In Jimmy Carter’s case, Republicans went on their usual “godless liberals” rant, and rather than ignoring them, he campaigned partly on the depth of his faith, breaking 176 years of tradition in presidential politics (save for the attacks against Thomas Jefferson by the Federalists accusing him of being an atheist).

By prominently positioning his faith in the forefront of his campaign in 1976, he opened the door to the theocrats on the right like Ralph Reed to smash down the wall of separation of Church and State which characterised presidential politics.

Now, forty-five years later, that sort of campaigning is gone. Every politician has to put up their religious bona fides to appeal to the electorate, where in the past that was considered a faux pas. It certainly makes it tougher for an atheist to get elected, since that’s a deal-breaker for most Christians of all faiths to date your daughter, much less hold office.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:46:24am

The media is still going with these hot takes. This year’s version of avocado toast or iPhones.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:46:43am

re: #177 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Simple fact: Until 1981, no divorced person ever took the presidential oath of office. Times have changed.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:49:30am

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The media is still going with these hot takes. This year’s version of avocado toast or iPhones.

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Yeah, Kevin O’Leary can take a seat and shut the fuck up. Read his bio.

en.wikipedia.org

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:52:10am

re: #179 Decatur Deb

Simple fact: Until 1981, no divorced person ever took the presidential oath of office. Times have changed.

Divorces were a lot harder to get.

“Imperfect vessel” St. Ronald of Reagan changed that, with the backing of the Evangelical right.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:52:16am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:55:04am

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Divorces were a lot harder to get.

“Imperfect vessel” St. Ronald of Reagan changed that, with the backing of the Evangelical right.

Nelson Rockefeller almost kicked that door in.

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 8, 2020 • 3:59:30am

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, Kevin O’Leary can take a seat and shut the fuck up. Read his bio.

en.wikipedia.org

As a poor person, I get to go on that merry-go-round often. I hate it. Consider this Twitter exchange:

Ashish reminds me of the professional frugalist Amy Dacycisn, who wrote “The Tightwad Gazette” series of books. On the face of it, she gave good advice at first, but then she really got extreme with her frugality. There was no end to her frugality. Her low point was when she was a guest on Good Morning America, and when she saw the continental breakfast they put out, she tried to steal the whole thing!

That is not how I think or behave, to be blunt.

I think, when she concluded her newsletter and stopped writing, she was a straight-up asshole, a Karen, who would judge you if you were not frugal like she was frugal. These financial advisors know the price of everything and the value of shit.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:03:49am

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, Kevin O’Leary can take a seat and shut the fuck up. Read his bio.

en.wikipedia.org

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:07:13am

re: #184 Sherlock Hound

And if you’re entirely down-and-out (homeless), you’re not just a financial failure but a moral failure as well.

You’re supposed to pick yourself up by the bootstraps you don’t have, type up the résumé on the computer you don’t have, dress in suitable business attire you don’t have, for the interview you probably wouldn’t get, and if you do get one, explain the eleven-year gap in your employment.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:09:07am

re: #184 Sherlock Hound

The vegans of finance. /s

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:12:22am

It’s a hoot to hear Moderns discuss poverty as a virtue or vice. As children, the kids at my school did not own their clothes or underwear, drawing from the laundry closet every Friday. (We did have a pair of personal dress shoes, and the old pair de-militarized for play. Fitting and breaking-in shoes was just too tricky.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:13:18am

My aunt Marilyn (2:33)

Provided to YouTube by TuneCore

Nobody Knows You * Marilyn Middleton

Nobody Knows You

℗ 2013 Chicago Rhythm Audio Productions

Released on: 2013-01-21

Nobody Knows You

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:17:51am

re: #184 Sherlock Hound

As a poor person, I get to go on that merry-go-round often. I hate it. Consider this Twitter exchange:

[Embedded content]

Ashish reminds me of the professional frugalist Amy Dacycisn, who wrote “The Tightwad Gazette” series of books. On the face of it, she gave good advice at first, but then she really got extreme with her frugality. There was no end to her frugality. Her low point was when she was a guest on Good Morning America, and when she saw the continental breakfast they put out, she tried to steal the whole thing!

That is not how I think or behave, to be blunt.

I think, when she concluded her newsletter and stopped writing, she was a straight-up asshole, a Karen, who would judge you if you were not frugal like she was frugal. These financial advisors know the price of everything and the value of shit.

I’m a relatively frugal individual, but from time to time, I’ll indulge myself in something nice. As far as iPhones go, sure, it’d be nice but honestly I don’t need one. Hell, I have an Android smartphone now, and all I ever use it for is sending/receiving calls, the occasional SMS, listening to music and WhatsApp. That’s pretty much it. Every once in a blue moon, I’ll use a local Czech mapping application or check public transit timetables.

If I could find an Android-powered feature phone with a 32 Gb memory card slot, WhatsApp and the ability to download a couple of extra apps, I’d be entirely content.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:19:16am
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Sherlock Hound  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:20:04am

re: #187 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The vegans of finance. /s

The late Bruce Williams did financial talk radio for years. Towards the end of his career, he was a real prick, a lot like Not-A-Doctor Laura Schlesinger. You’ll recall that Laura made her bones belittling callers to her show. (And also that she had a degree in physiology, NOT psychology!) These people don’t want any of us to have agency or authority over ourselves. But we knew that.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:24:00am

re: #190 Dr Lizardo

And I forgot to add to that list…..an easily removable/replaceable Li-ion battery. That’d be nice.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:26:15am

re: #192 Sherlock Hound

And when they tighten the screws further on wage slavery, they wonder why socialism looks like a better bet again.

They have no problem redistributing wealth up the pyramid. In the other direction, out comes the Red Scare.

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:28:23am

re: #193 Dr Lizardo

And I forgot to add to that list…..an easily removable/replaceable Li-ion battery. That’d be nice.

That’s almost impossible to find now. The batteries are sealed in the phone. The batteries ARE often standardized, so you can replace them with pry tools like the ones iFixit sells.

But the one time I did that with my brand-new iFixit tools on an Asus Zenfone 3, I smashed the display. I made my bones fixing my own electronics, but this, sadly, is part of the game, too.

My replacement Asus phone has a capacity of 5000 mAh. As long as the charger doesn’t make the battery go pop (which is what happened to my Zenfone 3), it will be fine.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:37:26am

Kevin O’Leary is worth millions; here’s why he can’t pay off his $500K election debt (Global News, Jan. 24, 2018)

Hint: It’s not coffee.

“A leadership contestant is permitted to give a total of $25,000 in contributions, loans and loan guarantees to his or her campaign,” Elections Canada states.

Records shows, he owes thousands of dollars to Winnipeg venue, the Metropolitan Entertainment Centre, $700 to a P.E.I craft beer producer and $300 to a cheese boutique in Toronto (just to name a few).

The fees have to be paid off within three years of the end of the race.

That meant he had to ask for donations for the rest of the debt. He sued, and claimed an argument that not being allowed to pay off his own debts prohibited rich people from running, and promoted mediocrity. His arguments before the courts were similar to Citizens’ United in that his wealth was his speech, and the threat of jail time was a violation of his rights under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Kevin O’Leary suing Elections Canada over fundraising limits (CBC, Nov. 14, 2018)

Several Conservative Party candidates ran up huge debts that year in the party leadership election.

O’Leary said the spending limits on personal contributions discourage successful Canadians from vying for a party’s leadership. “We’re breeding mediocrity,” O’Leary said. “All parties should come up with a better law.”

Mediocrity being defined as poverty, not crap political positions.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:39:40am

re: #195 Sherlock Hound

The Motorola Moto E6s dual sim still has a removable 3000 mAh battery.

gsmarena.com

If I can one cheap enough here, a good used one at a local shop, I might buy that.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:40:34am

re: #145 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“Agent” would imply at least coerced cooperation.

They could also be “useful idiots” (they want to conserve and grasp more power, someone hands them some political information they think is worthwhile, they’re not really working for Russia, just themselves—I imagine if Canada gave them the same information they’d use it the same way).

Read the whole 4-tweet thread.

It’s treason. They know. Eric Garland is right.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:41:27am

re: #198 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Read the whole 4-tweet thread.

It’s treason. They know. Eric Garland is right.

Missed that. Thanks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:44:04am

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

That’s probably part of it as well. But over the last four or five years, conspiracy and disinformation websites have become all the rage.

Newspapers are losing circulation and cutting personnel saves big on costs.

And for the Post-Milennials, #TrendingonTwitter is a news item in and of itself. My kids really do watch videos of people reacting to other Internet videos…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:46:43am

re: #177 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Part of what opened the door to smuggling faith into politics is, sadly, Jimmy Carter.

When John F. Kennedy ran, he went to great pains to note he would not be beholden to diktat from the Holy See, but would uphold the secular Constitution (partly because of Protestant bigots).

In Jimmy Carter’s case, Republicans went on their usual “godless liberals” rant, and rather than ignoring them, he campaigned partly on the depth of his faith, breaking 176 years of tradition in presidential politics (save for the attacks against Thomas Jefferson by the Federalists accusing him of being an atheist).

By prominently positioning his faith in the forefront of his campaign in 1976, he opened the door to the theocrats on the right like Ralph Reed to smash down the wall of separation of Church and State which characterised presidential politics.

Nobody had any problem with Nancy Reagan’s White House astrologer planning Ronnie’s agenda. At least Bush, Sr and Jr could make some claim to having regularly attended church.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:47:18am

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Kevin O’Leary: Don’t spend money on things like coffee if you’re paying off debt - “that’s the key” to financial success.

So coffee is the new avocado toast?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:47:48am

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Divorces were a lot harder to get.

“Imperfect vessel” St. Ronald of Reagan changed that, with the backing of the Evangelical right.

but a perfect weasel

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:54:36am

re: #192 Sherlock Hound

The late Bruce Williams did financial talk radio for years. Towards the end of his career, he was a real prick, a lot like Not-A-Doctor Laura Schlesinger. You’ll recall that Laura made her bones belittling callers to her show. (And also that she had a degree in physiology, NOT psychology!) These people don’t want any of us to have agency or authority over ourselves. But we knew that.

I used to listen into Dr Laura on AFN, and I would rate her shows by a point system: one point for a single mom, one for each child said mom had had before age 18, one for each child by multiple fathers, two points for the words “restraining order” or “child protective services, thee points for any mention of “incest”.

Then she had a caller who wanted to get back together with the father of her child, who had died in her father’s care of blunt-force trauma. Father claimed he was just “playing a bit too rough” with the child, and although the doctor insisted that could not have been accidental, he was not charged.

Her family was totally against her getting back together with him, but she loved him and wanted to have another child with him… Even Doctor Laura was speechless.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 4:56:11am

Looks like Huawei is in a spot of trouble….

(From Czech media, translated to English)

Chinese technology companies Huawei Technologies are running out of smartphones due to US sanctions. The company will be forced to stop production of its own Kirin chips next month due to sanctions. This was stated by the head of Huawei’s consumer division Richard Yu, according to the AP agency.

The United States has long accused Huawei of stealing technology and suspected spying for the Chinese government. But the Chinese company has been rejecting this for a long time. Washington last year limited Huawei’s access to US components and technology. Restrictions tightened in May this year, banning suppliers around the world from using US technology to make components for Huawei, the AP writes.

Yu said Huawei will stop producing its Kirin chips on September 15. These chips are made for the company by suppliers who need American production technology. “It’s a very big loss for us,” Yu told China Info 100. “Unfortunately, as part of the second round of US sanctions, our chip manufacturers only accepted orders until May 15. Production will stop on September 15,” he added.

Huawei sold 240 million smartphones last year. Yu said this year’s sales volume is likely to be lower. However, he did not provide any further details, the AP agency wrote.

In the second quarter of this year, Huawei became the largest smartphone retailer in the world, according to the analytical group Canalys, after surpassing its South Korean competitor Samsung Electronics. Huawei benefited from sales growth in the Chinese market, but saw a significant decline abroad.

Original, in Czech: novinky.cz

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jeffreyw  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:00:31am

Good morning!

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:04:36am

This is a photo of my dormitory, taken about 1955. I might be in it. The Intertubes gather more historiographic power every day.

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Axolotl  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:06:13am

re: #102 So Cal Greek Hippie

I was thinking that a database of game outcomes play by play could be digitized with different teams say a 1971 Broncos v Chiefs game recast digitally as a 2020 49ers v Rams game. Jared Goff substitutes for Len Dawson, etc.

I watch my kid play Madden and it is pretty lifelike. What if each team picked a champion and they played the NFL schedule in real time with real announcers?

People watch other people play video games all the time. Why not have some fun with it?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:09:47am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The Old Testament’s Ten Commandments really aren’t ten: There are 513 commandments which are viewed as abominations to the Lord all in the same section of Exodus. Very few churches enforce the commandment against eating shellfish, even though that’s just as much an abomination as adultery.

Food safety laws for a primitive society. Don’t eat things that are known to cause problems sometimes. Shellfish, pork, dairy products and meat should be separated, cleanliness, etc. If you shroud those safety rules in your gods commandments,they become palatable. Add a later of mystery to them, and they become believable. Don’t mix the mothers milk with the baby’s flesh.

Quite a g good system - for safety. Primitives didn’t grok microorganisms and germ theory, but they knew how to avoid some consequences.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:12:41am

re: #209 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Food safety laws for a primitive society. Don’t eat things that are known to cause problems sometimes. Shellfish, pork, dairy products and meat should be separated, cleanliness, etc. If you shroud those safety rules in your gods commandments,they become palatable. Add a later of mystery to them, and they become believable. Don’t mix the mothers milk with the baby’s flesh.

Quite a g good system - for safety. Primitives didn’t grok microorganisms and germ theory, but they knew how to avoid some consequences.

It got a bit over-elaborated somewhere around mac’n cheese with chicken schnitzel.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:14:23am

re: #209 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Quite a g good system - for safety. Primitives didn’t grok microorganisms and germ theory, but they knew how to avoid some consequences.

I also read that another reason not to eat pork is that pigs cannot be driven in a herd like sheep or goats: to keep pigs means you need to be settled.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:15:21am
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Axolotl  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:21:24am

re: #140 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Doom scrolling through the LGF threads tonight, came out of lurk mode for a comment on conservatives trying to reject the will of an election by force of arms.

As someone noted, how many guns can you use at one time? I’m pretty sure I can only use one.

Moreover, how many would really be willing to put their life down for something like that? Throughout history we’ve always had violent conservatives, but with the exception of the Civil War they were few in number. Without the support of state governments I doubt they could get that far, and I don’t see the National Guard throwing in with them as whole formations (maybe individual deserters). Plus the National Guard would be shooting at their own family, friends, &c.

In the worst-case scenario I can see, conservatives in the rural south and west might launch a low-level terrorism campaign to slaughter opponents. In that case, I would hope blue states would do something to get those people out; I expect I would be one of those slaughtered because there are too many liberals who seem to think whole states should be punished for the choices of GOP governments.

If Biden wins there will be groups in red states that might occupy local cities similar to what we saw in Seattle.

Almost taunting Biden to do something about it. He will not take the bait imo.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:22:52am

re: #213 Axolotl

If Biden wins there will be groups in red states that might occupy local cities similar to what we saw in Seattle.

Almost taunting Biden to do something about it. He will not take the bait imo.

Until the police move in and start gassing counter-protesters…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:30:40am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nobody had any problem with Nancy Reagan’s White House astrologer planning Ronnie’s agenda. At least Bush, Sr and Jr could make some claim to having regularly attended church.

To Evangelicals, she was also a “flawed vessel” but helping her husband usher in The Kingdom.

Such people as the Reagans or the Trumps can be excused not because they are rich or powerful. What Evangelicals see in them is sinners just like them. Since liberalism is a sin, and liberals are unwilling to change, as such liberals must be opposed in “spiritual warfare” (liberals are unrepentant sinners turns into liberals are anti-God).

That’s why people on the right can get away with attacks on Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and now Joe Biden as “not real Christians.” Within Evangelical theology, their thinking is not hypocritical.

By the same metric, to those in moderate denominations, Evangelicals are seen as “not real Christians,” and by their own moderate theology, they are correct.

Each can pick passages from the Bible to support their positions (even if they have to stretch the meanings of those or ignore the inconvenient bits, like God’s repeated endorsement of slavery and genocide).

That means for Evangelicals, using video editing tools to make Biden appear weak (rather than praying in a church) is acceptable: Lying for Jesus was promoted all the way back to the founder of Protestantism, Martin Luther (as was anti-Semitism carried forward from the Catholic Church). Evangelicals today in those areas are following the precepts laid down by Martin Luther (including sola scriptura interpretation of their religion’s views).

It’s really fascinating, actually. I took a DVD course from Great Courses on the history of Christianity by a noted theologian who teaches at Duke. From laying out the very earliest slaughters by Christian sects for primacy in the II Century right up to the positions of various major branches of Protestantism today.

That certainly doesn’t make me a theologian. I’m just an amateur debunker of unsupported claims.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:34:57am

They passed through my town a couple days ago.

With only two riding horses along for company, two modern-day adventurers are on their way west from Independence, Missouri, along the original Oregon Trail to the coast.

Oliver McCloskey, an amateur historian from Cedar City, Utah, and his partner, Kelsey Wright from southern Indiana, left Missouri on June 23 and plan to arrive in Oregon City in early November.

The actual Oregon Trail was about 1,900 miles, but when McCloskey and Wright arrive in Oregon, they will have covered some 2,200 to 2,300 miles.

(more)

Couple Retracing the Oregon Trail (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:39:27am

The regional paper printed my letter on the usage of lottery funds today. The headline the Star-Herald picked in no way reflects what I wrote …

LETTER TO THE EDITOR: Consider a lottery buyout

The Omaha World-Herald today reports that several influential Nebraskans have formed Friends of the Nebraska Environmental Trust. They seek to examine the grants awarded by the state lottery for conservation projects, particularly awarding the entire $1.8 million dollars to commercially-owned gasoline stations to purchase ethanol blender pumps.

Governor Ricketts is a big booster of ethanol production, and feels this is an appropriate expenditure of grant money for commercial endeavors rather than conservation as set forth in the law.

All 93 counties have benefited from the state lottery’s grant program for conservation projects. It is questionable at best whether business handouts from the fund count as environmentalism.

The Friends group is considering a lawsuit. I will consider a boycott of the lottery. I can buy tickets in Colorado or Wyoming when I want them.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:40:47am

How to piss me the fuck off. This was in my inbox. Are you even listening? Fuck. You.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:48:07am

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

They passed through my town a couple days ago.

With only two riding horses along for company, two modern-day adventurers are on their way west from Independence, Missouri, along the original Oregon Trail to the coast.

So, for that magic moment, you were a three-horse town.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:50:24am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

So, for that magic moment, you were a three-horse town.

But still a one-Smart town

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:50:37am

Yahoo has a news article about Fallwell taking “indefinite leave” and they’ve disabled comments.

Cowards.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:53:44am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:57:14am

Coach (not a coach) Dave Daubenmire Goes There About Chicago’s Mayor (goes to Utah Outcasts, 8:37, caution for coarse language and adult concepts)

Coach Dave “Goes There” About Chicago’s Mayor

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 5:58:12am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

re: #220 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

LOL’s all around.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:03:13am

re: #222 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Damn, she came out with a flamethrower against the Senate GOP Caucus.

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ericblair  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:06:45am

re: #213 Axolotl

If Biden wins there will be groups in red states that might occupy local cities similar to what we saw in Seattle.

Almost taunting Biden to do something about it. He will not take the bait imo.

I think we’ve already had the Boogaloo. During the height of BLM protests, Those People were Rioting In the Streets like all the gun fondlers had fantasized. They were surrounding their Pig God in the White House. And the Pig God called for them to assemble and take it all back!

And…that’s it, folks. The great Civil War II seems to have come and gone. The 3% turned out to be the 0.0003%, and everyone else stayed in their basements and on their La-Z-Boys. But I’m sure they bought a few more tacticool accessories, just in case.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:10:03am

re: #222 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

paywalled, can you cut and paste the key paragraphs?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:17:35am

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

paywalled, can you cut and paste the key paragraphs?

The first three paragraphs

There is no deal yet between the White House and House Democrats on the stimulus bill, the Heroes Act, which the House passed more than two months ago. The Senate Republicans’ bill, finally rolled out last week, was so preposterously insufficient even President Trump called it “semi-irrelevant.”

Senate Republicans are so irrelevant they are not even participating in talks between the president’s representatives — White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin — and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.). That’s right: The Democratic minority leader is relevant; the Republicans are not.

That is because they have allowed the anti-government, anti-science Trump sycophants to disclaim any interest in the bill, thereby handing the reins to Democrats. Only recently does it seem to have dawned on Republican incumbents on the ballot three months from now that this is not a good place to be. CNN reports: “Republican senators are increasingly concerned over the state of stimulus negotiations on Capitol Hill. They’re frustrated over how long it is taking to reach an agreement and fearful that a deal may not come together at all as the country remains in crisis.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:17:40am

re: #226 ericblair

I think we’ve already had the Boogaloo. During the height of BLM protests, Those People were Rioting In the Streets like all the gun fondlers had fantasized. They were surrounding their Pig God in the White House. And the Pig God called for them to assemble and take it all back!

And…that’s it, folks. The great Civil War II seems to have come and gone. The 3% turned out to be the 0.0003%, and everyone else stayed in their basements and on their La-Z-Boys. But I’m sure they bought a few more tacticool accessories, just in case.

Pretty much. Their bluff was called when that mostly black militia group marched right into the heart of the most sacred Confederate shrine, Stone Mountain, and the white warriors were nowhere to be seen.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:17:51am

Kawasaki-like. Six months in, schools starting, and we still don’t understand this beast.

11 cases of rare COVID-19 related syndrome in kids confirmed in Washington

komonews.com

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:18:16am

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Pulled themselves up by their bootstraps I see. Those other losers working min wage jobs after graduation need to find better parents and grandparents..

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:26:53am

Womp womp.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:27:37am

re: #229 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Pretty much. Their bluff was called when that mostly black militia group marched right into the heart of the most sacred Confederate shrine, Stone Mountain, and the white warriors were nowhere to be seen.

The 5th Dimension-Stoned Soul Picnic

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:30:00am

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

paywalled, can you cut and paste the key paragraphs?

Gosh, Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) must be very concerned. She offers, “I don’t want to see first responders … as well as sanitation crews and public works employs laid off and losing their jobs plus disrupting essential services.” If only the senator were part of some body that could have addressed this months ago. If only she could have prevailed upon Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to act promptly after the House passed its bill. On Wednesday she evidenced a desire not to follow her colleagues down the road to political oblivion.

And

If only they had some power in February to remove the unfit and corrupt president from office, instead of leaving him there to purge witnesses from his administration, seek vengeance on foes, force out inspectors general and botch the response to the coronavirus. If only McSally, whose state is now one of the worst hit by the novel coronavirus after an irresponsible and premature reopening, could have rebuffed Trump instead of clinging to him (The Daily Beast describes her as “unwavering in her public support since her appointment, redirecting frustration with the president’s coronavirus response to condemn China’s role in the pandemic”). If only she could have taken a strong stance to support her states’ interests. (“McSally’s refusal to publicly take a side on numerous issues of major interest to voters in the state—her noncommittal response to the Supreme Court’s decision on the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program … being a representative example—has added to the perception that she cares more about politics than policy,” the Daily Beast reports.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:34:12am

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m at a national conference for state legislators and I just want to share that in the exhibit hall, the @NRA has a huge booth set up and it has been basically vacant of attendees the entire time.

That org is radioactive, toxic, and I hope they are soon forced to shut down.

No politician wants to get within sniper range of that organization right now…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:37:50am

Thread, eight tweets.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:40:22am

re: #231 Eventual Carrion

Pulled themselves up by their bootstraps I see. Those other losers working min wage jobs after graduation need to find better parents and grandparents..

You got 220k of in-kind gifts ya knobhead

Hey will your mom let me live in her condo?
Maybe I’ll rent it out and keep the income
Can I live with your grans? Will they support me?

Idiotic

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:45:52am

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Womp womp.

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The question all the members need to answer is this
Why do you pay dues to the nra? What do you think you’re getting?

Because tens of thousands of you are buying nothing but clothes and travel etc for lapierre. Nothing to do with rights or guns. Suits. Airplanes. His family

Your money is wasted. Its not protect ing your rights or sticking it to the libs. It’s going into lapierres dinner

Fools

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:46:35am

451 total cases yesterday (+4, 40 active)
Steadily climbing since 1 July.

Still no cases in my village, nor in the Village of Gurley in Cheyenne County. We are the last two towns in the Nebraska Panhandle with no cases.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:47:27am

re: #236 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

America is out of its mind thinking we are even remotely prepared for school this fall. We are definitely NOT ready & if people say we are, it’s either out of ignorance or arrogance.]

If America had started in the summer with putting a plan in place for reopening involving reduced contact, additional staff, extra temporary classrooms and other facilities and a comprehensive hygiene/testing/quarantining concept, then it might have been a reasonable proposal.

But no such plan was ever forthcoming nor was the necessary funding considered.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:50:21am

re: #238 dangerman

Conservatives seem to be more prone to conspiratorial thinking than liberals or centrists. They are also prone to black-and-white thinking.

The NRA has waged a very successful campaign of “we are the only thing standing between you and your II Amendment rights,” backed with amplification from the GOP. They’ve been told their rights are absolute, and anything at all (including the NRA’s own safety rules) is an infringement on their absolute rights. In a sense the NRA has become libertarians, but dangerous ones.

The II Amendment was doing fine before Wayne LaPierre took control of the organisation. It will still be here after the NRA is gone.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:51:00am

re: #240 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If America had started putting a plan in place for reopening involving reduced contact, additional staff, extra temporary classrooms and other facilities and a comprehensive hygiene/testing/quarantining concept, then it might have been a reasonable proposal.

But no such plan was ever forthcoming nor was the necessary funding considered.

If we put one in place today we’d still be in a better place than we will be six weeks from now without one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:52:18am

re: #242 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

If we put one in place today we’d still be in a better place than we will be six weeks from now without one.

We have a President who still tells us that it will just go away like all things do…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:53:35am

re: #241 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Conservatives seem to be more prone to conspiratorial thinking than liberals or centrists. They are also prone to black-and-white thinking.

Recall the bump in guns and ammo sales after Obama was elected?

And then the repeat bump in 2012 when LaPierre insisted that Obama was just lulling into a false sense of security?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:55:53am

re: #243 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have a President who still tells us that it will just go away like all things do…

Just like smallpox and tuberculosis did. (Wait, we’ve been waiting for TB to go away for at least six thousand years—the earliest known case in humans—and smallpox only went away with international effort, vaccines, and quarantines.)

I’m sure we’ll be fine. /s

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BigPapa  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:58:57am

Spent a few moments in an alternate universe called If Hillary Won. Reading the newspaper on the hearings over 1000 COVID deaths put on by the Senate GOP. Lots of impeachment talk.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:00:39am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Recall the bump in guns and ammo sales after Obama was elected?

And then the repeat bump in 2012 when LaPierre insisted that Obama was just lulling into a false sense of security?

We have read about the stealing from the NRA’s 503(c), we don’t know how much the gun manufacturers are pumping into LaPierre’s pockets.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:02:54am

Bread on the stovetop toaster for a cheese sandwich.

Toaster similar to this, but mine doesn’t fold and is a bit smaller, with a chimney rather than wire.

amazon.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:04:41am

re: #248 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Bread on the stovetop toaster for a cheese sandwich.

Toaster similar to this, but mine doesn’t fold and is a bit smaller, with a chimney rather than wire.

amazon.com

I use a three-slice toaster to make a cheese sandwich: bread on each side, the cheese in the middle slot, when they pop up, just slap ‘em together and voilá!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:05:20am

re: #246 BigPapa

Spent a few moments in an alternate universe called If Hillary Won. Reading the newspaper on the hearings over 1000 COVID deaths put on by the Senate GOP. Lots of impeachment talk.

not to mention hearings about her inability to correct the 5% dip in the Stock Market…

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CarolJ  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:05:22am

Think about the Russian money channeled through them. How much of that money got stashed in overseas accounts? Only they and the Russians, and the Russians aren’t going to tell.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:06:51am

re: #251 CarolJ

Think about the Russian money channeled through them. How much of that money got stashed in overseas accounts? Only they and the Russians, and the Russians aren’t going to tell.

ИЯА

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:07:22am

re: #249 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I use a three-slice toaster to make a cheese sandwich: bread on each side, the cheese in the middle slot, when they pop up, just slap ‘em together and voilá!

Cheese in the middle? It doesn’t melt into the toaster?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:09:05am

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Cheese in the middle? It doesn’t melt into the toaster?

that’s why you leave the plastic on

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:10:37am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that’s why you leave the plastic on

A little…chewey, no?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:11:58am

This guy needs to be flagged off Twitter for spreading Covid-19 misinformation.

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CarolJ  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:12:18am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I read about the Cincinnati takeover and began to wonder if grift wasn’t the purpose of that takeover. Getting rid of financial oversight people would be one way of securing the grift and making things a bit more profitable for them. Hunters and gun education was never going to bring in big money from contributors or members. Pretending to defend the 2nd Amendment from non-existent threats would, for not even in the early days of gun control was there a real proposal for consfiscation or bans, at least not of regular firearms. And people who were hopped up about that were never going to scrutinize the expenditures or ask for costly services.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:12:56am

Canada brewery apologises for beer named ‘pubic hair’ in Maori

A Canadian brewery has apologised for unwittingly naming one of its beers after a Maori word that is commonly used to mean pubic hair.

Hell’s Basement Brewery in Alberta said it released its Huruhuru pale ale two years ago, thinking it meant “feather”.

I assume the new beer will just be called “The Brazilian”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:13:22am

re: #255 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

A little…chewey, no?

yeah, but it adds flavor

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:15:22am

re: #184 Sherlock Hound

Being poor is not a sin or something to be ashamed about but frugality is a virtue all should practice..

I realize, of course, that it’s no shame to be poor.
But it’s no great honor either.

—Tevye

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CarolJ  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:15:26am

$400,000 for suits? Tv evangelists could at least claim that they needed to look spiffy for the cameras and in pictures with celebrities. But who could have named the head of the NRA, let alone pick him up out of a lineup?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:16:03am

😄

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:16:24am

re: #261 CarolJ

$400,000 for suits? Tv evangelists could at least claim that they needed to look spiffy for the cameras and in pictures with celebrities. But who could have named the head of the NRA, let alone pick him up out of a lineup?

because you have only paid 40K for those suits and laundered the rest…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:19:17am

Another sacrifice on the Altar of Conservative Faith.

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CarolJ  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:22:31am

re: #263 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Makes sense. After all, the value of most clothing is basically a combination of cost and reputation. The same suit could go for a lot less down the street, which is what happens in consignment and extras. Too many of a name brand, and it gets marked down or sent to that outlet place with the labels taken off if necessary.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:22:48am

And another posted half-an-hour ago:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:25:39am

re: #265 CarolJ

Makes sense. After all, the value of most clothing is basically a combination of cost and reputation. The same suit could go for a lot less down the street, which is what happens in consignment and extras. Too many of a name brand, and it gets marked down or sent to that outlet place with the labels taken off if necessary.

Money laundering lends itself well to art, antiques and fashion articles, things whose price is based on more than the innate value of the object itself.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:28:10am

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:29:33am

You aren’t calling out the reason. The point is to obscure the data.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:32:01am

re: #269 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

You aren’t calling out the reason. The point is to obscure the data.

Handing talking points to Trump for his next interview…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:33:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:37:56am

re: #271 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Those curves show the rate of FREEDOM that was preserved…

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:39:32am

re: #209 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Food safety laws for a primitive society. Don’t eat things that are known to cause problems sometimes. Shellfish, pork, dairy products and meat should be separated, cleanliness, etc. If you shroud those safety rules in your gods commandments,they become palatable. Add a later of mystery to them, and they become believable. Don’t mix the mothers milk with the baby’s flesh.

Quite a g good system - for safety. Primitives didn’t grok microorganisms and germ theory, but they knew how to avoid some consequences.

Judaism also has a LOT of hand washing.

First thing when you get up in the morning. Last thing before you go to bed. Before and after cooking or eating. Before and after touching any bodily orifices or open wounds (your own or anybody else’s), or pets or farm animals, or surfaces that might have (or might have used to have) blood or other bodily fluids on them.

And the pre-Passover spring cleaning — OMG.

Anything with grains or yeast must be entirely removed from the premises. Thoroughly clean every surface in the house. Floors, walls, shelves, drawers, fridge, everything.. (people used to use a scriptural recipe of hot water and vinegar, nowadays we’re allowed to substitute Pine-Sol or Mr Clean or other commercial products). Also rugs and tablecloths.

Grain and yeast foods can be brought back into the house (or replaced) a couple of weeks later. In the meantime, all the rats and mice and other vermin, and their fleas, have given up on your place and taken themselves down the road to some gentile’s house instead.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:45:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:49:37am

re: #275 jaunte

Eyes open please - we are in the midst of a sustained and far reaching attack on our democracy.

We didn’t understand what was happening in 2016 until it was too late. This time, we know better and have to fight.

Last time around, Trump could count on apathy and indifference to suppress the vote and tip the scales in his favor. He has ticked off too many people to get away with that in 2020 so his methods have to become even more extreme.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:52:59am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Nelson Rockefeller almost kicked that door in.

I remember the 1964 GOP campaign when Billy Graham Cracker endorsed Goldwater and blasted Godless Adulterer Rockefeller.

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stpaulbear  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:54:26am

re: #268 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

For some reason (probably operator error) I can’t leave a private response. I was talking about the railing along the sidewalk on the north side of the ravine after you’ve already crossed the bridge and turned to the right. The bridge railing was by the bridge builder.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:55:23am

re: #278 stpaulbear

For some reason (probably operator error) I can’t leave a private response. I was talking about the railing along the sidewalk on the north side of the ravine after you’ve already crossed the bridge and turned to the right. The bridge railing was by the bridge builder.

Ah. I took the wrong photographs, then. However, your work still looked good.

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ozharas  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:56:09am

Royal Melbourne Hospital ED doc, doing his bit on TikTok.

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stpaulbear  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:58:58am

re: #279 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ah. I took the wrong photographs, then. However, your work still looked good.

Thanks. I should take a day trip down there and to New Ulm just to get away for a day.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:00:37am
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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:01:59am

re: #281 stpaulbear

New Ulm is in my neighborhood, but it’s the one in Texas.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:02:03am

re: #209 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Quite a g good system - for safety. Primitives didn’t grok microorganisms and germ theory, but they knew how to avoid some consequences.

Nevertheless, the issue here to me is those who pull from wherever in the Bible to support their church’s position. Why is not mixing milk with meat a “good position?”

Most of the rules are not about food. Shellfish is a convenient go-to for a person outside Christianity to point out and notice that it is written eating shellfish is an abomination. If you are a person who believes in the literal interpretation of the Bible (such as an Evangelical), I can call your stance hypocritical.

In those rules are also not mixing fabrics, not to gossip, a whole slew of rules about idols, not shaving the side of you head (no mullets), rapists must married the unwed woman they rape, do not mix crops in the field, seek your slaves from the lands around you but there are restrictions on what you can do with a Hebrew slave, &c. All these are abominations if violated.

The point here is for those who claim that the whole book is either the inspired or literal word of God, then ignoring them is ignoring the inspired or literal word of God.

As I pointed out, none of it makes any sense to me. An omnipotent and omniscient God could tell you why shellfish or pork could make you ill, and tell you how to prepare them (it’s not like there isn’t a whole bunch of dietary rules in there already).

I’m just noting that churches pick and choose which rules they follow, so for Presbyterians divorce is okay while for Catholics it’s forbidden. Dancing is prohibited to Baptists. Mennonites forego ornamentation on their cars, and prohibit television.

All of this can be justified in the Bible, just as the Evangelical positions can.

That’s kind of why I say it’s not up to me to say who is a true Christian and who is not. From my vantage point, they all follow the laws and rules as they interpret them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:04:50am

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Nevertheless, the issue here to me is those who pull from wherever in the Bible to support their church’s position. Why is not mixing milk with meat a “good position?”

This is why I thank God for giving our Founding Fathers the Divine Foresight to separate Church and State so that these theological squabbles do not wind up turning into legal issues…for the most part, that is.

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:05:47am

So as I read about Grassley and Johnson accepting Russian “evidence” against Biden, I can only ask one question: Wasn’t this the whole (BS) reason why the “Steele dossier” was supposed a Russian psy-op and Hillary colluding with the Russians?

I’m quite sure I remember wingnuts screaming for ages that Christopher Steele had either sought out or been fed Russian “lies” about Trump laundered through old intel contacts. And that this meant Hillary was (willingly or otherwise) working with the Russians to defeat Trump.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:07:48am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:08:57am

re: #286 Targetpractice

Projection, plus IOKIYAR

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:10:45am

I’m going to head off to bed. Catch y’all later.

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stpaulbear  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:13:35am

re: #283 jaunte

New Ulm is in my neighborhood, but it’s the one in Texas.

Ahh, but does your New Ulm have a state park in it?

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:13:56am

re: #290 stpaulbear

I wish!

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:16:07am

re: #238 dangerman

The question all the members need to answer is this
Why do you pay dues to the nra? What do you think you’re getting?

Because tens of thousands of you are buying nothing but clothes and travel etc for lapierre. Nothing to do with rights or guns. Suits. Airplanes. His family

Your money is wasted. Its not protect ing your rights or sticking it to the libs. It’s going into lapierres dinner

Fools

My nephews answer that the NRA is the only thing keeping Democrats from taking their Penis Extensions away.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:16:08am

re: #271 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The annoying thing about that graph is there are two different y-axes. They could still show it falling without that.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:18:37am

re: #292 🌹UOJB!

“I buy tiger repellent every month, and I’ve never seen a tiger around here yet.”

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Jay C  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:18:40am

re: #286 Targetpractice

So as I read about Grassley and Johnson accepting Russian “evidence” against Biden, I can only ask one question: Wasn’t this the whole (BS) reason why the “Steele dossier” was supposed a Russian psy-op and Hillary colluding with the Russians?

I’m quite sure I remember wingnuts screaming for ages that Mike Steele had either sought out or been fed Russian “lies” about Trump laundered through old intel contacts. And that this meant Hillary was (willingly or otherwise) working with the Russians to defeat Trump.

Think you’re mixing up your Steeles here: wasn’t the ex-UK spook (?) who ginned up the “Dossier” Christopher Steele?

But in any case, Trump and his creatures have been screaming for years about the Steele Dossier being entirely a fabrication, or deliberate ratfucking, or (at the very least) unreliable/biased/partisan, etc.: trying, AFAICT, to use the fact that a lot of the material in the Dossier didn’t pan out to obscure the parts that WERE embarrassing and/or incriminating…

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:19:59am

re: #246 BigPapa

Spent a few moments in an alternate universe called If Hillary Won. Reading the newspaper on the hearings over 1000 COVID deaths put on by the Senate GOP. Lots of impeachment talk.

Maureen Dowd would be gloating over her successful campaign to impeach and remove Hillary from office over her e-mails. Oh and the Republicans would be continually kneecapping President Tim Kaine.

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Weaselone  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:21:54am

re: #282 jaunte

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They may rue the day, but they’ll blame Democrats for it. Heck, many Democrats will blame Democrats for it because “why didn’t they stop it?”

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:23:59am

re: #295 Jay C

Think you’re mixing up your Steeles here: wasn’t the ex-UK spook (?) who ginned up the “Dossier” Christopher Steele?

…maybe

But in any case, Trump and his creatures have been screaming for years about the Steele Dossier being entirely a fabrication, or deliberate ratfucking, or (at the very least) unreliable/biased/partisan, etc.: trying, AFAICT, to use the fact that a lot of the material in the Dossier didn’t pan out to obscure the parts that WERE embarrassing and/or incriminating…

The rule holds true again and again: If you want to know what Republicans are guilty of, listen to what they’re accusing the opposition of doing.

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piratedan  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:24:43am

re: #297 Weaselone

can hear that…. the GOP couldn’t help themselves, they made no conscious decision to betray the country at the behest of their agenda, Democrats should have saved us from ourselves and if they hadn’t wanted to treat everybody the same and take money from our rich benefactors, we wouldn’t have had to resort to cheating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BigPapa  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:26:48am
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🌹UOJB!  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:28:16am

re: #300 BigPapa

Jordan Peterson seems to have COVID

I have no sympathy for that prick.

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dat_said  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:32:21am

re: #296 🌹UOJB!

Maureen Dowd would be gloating over her successful campaign to impeach and remove Hillary from office over her e-mails. Oh and the Republicans would be continually kneecapping President Tim Kaine.

Another scary alternative history is that President Paul Ryan (elevated to the presidency when Trump’s legal challenges to Clinton’s Electoral College win extended beyond January and landslide winner of the 2017 special election ordered by SCOTUS) is accorded accolades for keeping US Covid deaths under 70,000.

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mmmirele  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:35:31am

Can we talk about how Donald Trump wanting to issue an executive order to get through the congressional impasse over coronavirus relief is unconstitutional?

* He can’t extend unemployment benefits, because that involves appropriation, which takes place in Congress, and in fact starts in the House.

* He can’t do away with the payroll tax, because the tax function again resides with Congress, not the president.

* It’s doubtful he can issue a ban on evictions (but I would need more information about the legal case for/against eviction bans).

* It’s also doubtful that he could issue a moratorium on collecting on student loans, as I assume this might include relief to the poor beleaguered loan companies who aren’t collecting on the overinflated loan balances and again, that would require an appropriation from Congress.

That said, Donald Trump’s advisors are *smart*. They know that if the Democrats in Congress were to file suit against these things, should Trump try to attempt them, this would be used in advertising against them. So it’s going to have to be left up to third-party “good governance” groups to go to court and get stays, which again could be ugly.

I’m telling you, folks, we have got to vote this guy out, and then we need a fucking reset on the Imperial Presidency.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:37:16am

re: #301 🌹UOJB!

I have no sympathy for that prick.

The story as I saw it, started with him saying he has a benzo addition. And for whatever twisted reason was in his mind, instead of being treated in Canada he hi-tailed out to Russia, where they have been known to treat alcoholism by passing your blood through a UV lamp.

Goes to show you that some of the most stupidest people in the world have Ph.D’s.

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:40:39am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I used to listen into Dr Laura on AFN, and I would rate her shows by a point system: one point for a single mom, one for each child said mom had had before age 18, one for each child by multiple fathers, two points for the words “restraining order” or “child protective services, thee points for any mention of “incest”.

Then she had a caller who wanted to get back together with the father of her child, who had died in her father’s care of blunt-force trauma. Father claimed he was just “playing a bit too rough” with the child, and although the doctor insisted that could not have been accidental, he was not charged.

Her family was totally against her getting back together with him, but she loved him and wanted to have another child with him… Even Doctor Laura was speechless.

That (not saying it was the same case) happened in a small town not 20 minutes away from me. It was horrible. The woman ran away to rejoin her “boyfriend” after he had been abusive, and it was then he killed their two year old daughter. Fortunately, in this case, he was charged.

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:41:50am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Oh Man

Dr Laura on Armed Forces Radio:
March 1998, Manama Bahrain. I’m here on TDY for the first time with two DC guys who had previously visited. We are headed to the main souk outdoor markets so DC guys can get inexpensive 22 karat gold

I’m in the back seat as these clowns BLAST Dr Laura on AFR as we drive down the road. DC guys of course get lost and we are driving through neighborhoods of people hitting on hookahs and trying to chill out. DC guys go Ugly American and start yelling Souk! Repeatedly. And Dr Laura continues to blare

Finally I have enough BS and security risk (albeit low because Bahrain is Emir ruled monarchy with strong authority and vert affluent) and in the middle of a neighborhood, I say in response to Dr Laura advice, wait let me get this straight. She just spent to five minutes Harpie Shrieking about a guy getting LAID? One Bahraini smiled

This snaps DC guy 1 to life and he changes the station to Arabic music and we find the souk 3 minutes later

The only time in my life I ever heard Dr Laura

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:43:19am

re: #303 mmmirele

Can we talk about how Donald Trump wanting to issue an executive order to get through the congressional impasse over coronavirus relief is unconstitutional?

* He can’t extend unemployment benefits, because that involves appropriation, which takes place in Congress, and in fact starts in the House.

* He can’t do away with the payroll tax, because the tax function again resides with Congress, not the president.

* It’s doubtful he can issue a ban on evictions (but I would need more information about the legal case for/against eviction bans).

* It’s also doubtful that he could issue a moratorium on collecting on student loans, as I assume this might include relief to the poor beleaguered loan companies who aren’t collecting on the overinflated loan balances and again, that would require an appropriation from Congress.

That said, Donald Trump’s advisors are *smart*. They know that if the Democrats in Congress were to file suit against these things, should Trump try to attempt them, this would be used in advertising against them. So it’s going to have to be left up to third-party “good governance” groups to go to court and get stays, which again could be ugly.

I’m telling you, folks, we have got to vote this guy out, and then we need a fucking reset on the Imperial Presidency.

It’s going to blow up in their faces for one simple reason: The precedent already exists to slap both of these down in the courts. Trump’s own efforts to raid the DoD coffers for wall money currently sit dead in the courts, and the Repubs went all the way to the SCOTUS bench to establish precedent that a president cannot use EO to “create laws” and “bypass Congress.”

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:43:48am

re: #206 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:46:44am

re: #306 So Cal Greek Hippie

Oh Man

Dr Laura on Armed Forces Radio:
March 1998, Manama Bahrain. I’m here on TDY for the first time with two DC guys who had previously visited. We are headed to the main souk outdoor markets so DC guys can get inexpensive 22 karat gold

I’m in the back seat as these clowns BLAST Dr Laura on AFR as we drive down the road. DC guys of course get lost and we are driving through neighborhoods of people hitting on hookahs and trying to chill out. DC guys go Ugly American and start yelling Souk! Repeatedly. And Dr Laura continues to blare

Finally I have enough BS and security risk (albeit low because Bahrain is Emir ruled monarchy with strong authority and vert affluent) and in the middle of a neighborhood, I say in response to Dr Laura advice, wait let me get this straight. She just spent to five minutes Harpie Shrieking about a guy getting LAID? One Bahraini smiled

This snaps DC guy 1 to life and he changes the station to Arabic music and we find the souk 3 minutes later

The only time in my life I ever heard Dr Laura

KFI used to be 2 blocks from where I live. I used to see Dr. Laura driving into the parking lot in her chauffeured Gold Bentley and seeing that made my inner Bolshevik blood boil…

Oh and then there was the incident when Dr. Laura’s mother died…nobody noticed for six months as mail piled up in her Beverly Hills condo mailbox…and the police finally did a wellness check and found the body decomposed…and Laura just couldn’t be bothered with that…

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BigPapa  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:50:19am

Lana Wachowski utterly destroying the incel-ingrates and wingnut Red Pillers by taking them through how The Matrix was very trans influenced is making my heart burst with rainbows. She’s utterly crushing them.

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:50:38am

David Hogg is on MSNBC now for the NRA story, but I’m distracted from his words because

1) He’s lost a lot of weight. A LOT. He looks borderline bulimic. and
2) his beard and mustache are not flattering. Not in the least.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:51:31am

Ginger Billy is gonna cry all the way to the bank with his latest invention!

Y’all check out my new FANCY lawnmower

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:56:08am

re: #303 mmmirele

Can we talk about how Donald Trump wanting to issue an executive order to get through the congressional impasse over coronavirus relief is unconstitutional?

* He can’t extend unemployment benefits, because that involves appropriation, which takes place in Congress, and in fact starts in the House.

* He can’t do away with the payroll tax, because the tax function again resides with Congress, not the president.

* It’s doubtful he can issue a ban on evictions (but I would need more information about the legal case for/against eviction bans).

* It’s also doubtful that he could issue a moratorium on collecting on student loans, as I assume this might include relief to the poor beleaguered loan companies who aren’t collecting on the overinflated loan balances and again, that would require an appropriation from Congress.

That said, Donald Trump’s advisors are *smart*. They know that if the Democrats in Congress were to file suit against these things, should Trump try to attempt them, this would be used in advertising against them. So it’s going to have to be left up to third-party “good governance” groups to go to court and get stays, which again could be ugly.

I’m telling you, folks, we have got to vote this guy out, and then we need a fucking reset on the Imperial Presidency.

Dems should immediately write legislation to accomplish all that so Republicans can stop it… Because you know they will.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:56:55am

re: #310 BigPapa

Lana Wachowski utterly destroying the incel-ingrates and wingnut Red Pillers by taking them through how The Matrix was very trans influenced is making my heart burst with rainbows. She’s utterly crushing them.

Link?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:57:28am

re: #305 retired cynic

That (not saying it was the same case) happened in a small town not 20 minutes away from me. It was horrible. The woman ran away to rejoin her “boyfriend” after he had been abusive, and it was then he killed their two year old daughter. Fortunately, in this case, he was charged.

OMG…I was hoping it was some sort of prank call when I heard it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:58:00am

re: #311 sagehen

David Hogg is on MSNBC now for the NRA story, but I’m distracted from his words because

1) He’s lost a lot of weight. A LOT. He looks borderline bulimic. and
2) his beard and mustache are not flattering. Not in the least.

That kid is carrying shit on his shoulders an adult couldn’t handle (I couldn’t).

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:59:48am

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I know. I was just rambling about the dietary laws having a historical reason. The not following those laws is hypocrisy if you’re arguing that a literal reading is absolute.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:00:03am

re: #304 Eric The Fruit Bat

The story as I saw it, started with him saying he has a benzo addition. And for whatever twisted reason was in his mind, instead of being treated in Canada he hi-tailed out to Russia, where they have been known to treat alcoholism by passing your blood through a UV lamp.

Goes to show you that some of the most stupidest people in the world have Ph.D’s.

That and they induced a coma to get his body through the withdrawal symptoms.

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BigPapa  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:01:12am

re: #310 BigPapa

Lana Wachowski utterly destroying the incel-ingrates and wingnut Red Pillers by taking them through how The Matrix was very trans influenced is making my heart burst with rainbows. She’s utterly crushing them.

This is amazing. I never knew but it makes a whole bunch of sense.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:01:26am

re: #310 BigPapa

Lana Wachowski utterly destroying the incel-ingrates and wingnut Red Pillers by taking them through how The Matrix was very trans influenced is making my heart burst with rainbows. She’s utterly crushing them.

Where’s this at?

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:01:54am

re: #313 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Dems should immediately write legislation to accomplish all that so Republicans can stop it… Because you know they will.

They already did. Several months ago. It’s on McConnell’s desk even as we speak. He could put it on the floor for a vote whenever the whim takes him.

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:06:11am

re: #317 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I know. I was just rambling about the dietary laws having a historical reason. The not following those laws is hypocrisy if you’re arguing that a literal reading is absolute.

uh… not really. Post-Jesus, Paul had a vision and made an announcement that those laws didn’t matter anymore. All repealed, eat what you want, wear mixed-blend fabrics, plant mixed crops, whatevs.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:06:24am

re: #280 ozharas

Royal Melbourne Hospital ED doc, doing his bit on TikTok.

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That’s so awful, it’s cute.

The sentiment is unimpeachable, of course.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:06:46am

There isn’t enough money in the US to cover Trump:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:06:58am

The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally kicked off yesterday, with many of its average middle-age participants no doubt following in a few weeks.
I decided therefore to get informed about the town of Sturgis. The place is actually quite small, 6627 people in the last census, and the giant rally accounts for something like 90% of local revenue. The total economic impact is estimated at $800 million for the state as a whole, which is close to a grand per person. This bit of census data jumped out at me:

The racial makeup of the city was 93.9% White, 0.2% African American, 2.3% Native American, 0.4% Asian, 0.6% from other races, and 2.6% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.6% of the population.

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:17:42am

re: #324 Belafon

There isn’t enough money in the US to cover Trump:

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No offense to Jon, but this is the mindset that explains why Trump continues to get away with shit. The man’s word is worthless, he has never entered into an agreement he has honored without force being applied upon him, and even then he looks for ways to turn it to his advantage. There’s at least four ways he could either avoid this deal or corrupt it:

- He’d demand to be allowed to pick the fact-checker or bring in his own to make it “fair” to him

- He’d insist on being allowed to name the charity, with it either being one directly connected to him or one that he knew would just give the money back to him

- He’d refuse to pay if the fact-checker decided he had stated more lies than Biden, declaring it wasn’t “fair” for him to pay more than Biden

- He’d let loose his goons to “flood the zone,” offering up all sorts of half-truths and outright lies to “prove” the lies attributed to him were totally “factual.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:17:55am

re: #325 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The racial makeup of [Sturgis] was 93.9% White, 0.2% African American, 2.3% Native American, 0.4% Asian, 0.6% from other races, and 2.6% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.6% of the population.

I recall reading (some decades ago) about the North Dakota State Police and how they were making efforts to find and recruit a black person because there were none in their force.

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JC1  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:17:56am

re: #325 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally kicked off yesterday, with many of its average middle-age participants no doubt following in a few weeks.
I decided therefore to get informed about the town of Sturgis. The place is actually quite small, 6627 people in the last census, and the giant rally accounts for something like 90% of local revenue. The total economic impact is estimated at $800 million for the state as a whole, which is close to a grand per person. This bit of census data jumped out at me:

The Black Hills area is really nice. Holding the rally this year is really stupid.

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BigPapa  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:18:56am

The Matrix as trans allegory is blowing my mind LOL. It’s always been a favorite.

When we tested home theaters back in the day we used Matrix sequences, decent Dolby mix plus the visuals. I had probably seen the movies in pieces 2-3 times but never watched through nor understood the story. Finally I said ‘I have no idea of what it’s about so maybe I should watch it.’ I did, and I loved the movie. Now it’s blowing me away again.

And as a Bonus Feature: wrecking the Red Pill shitgoblins.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:20:34am

re: #329 BigPapa

The Matrix as trans allegory is blowing my mind LOL. It’s always been a favorite.

I only just watched it this year with my teenage kids. And I have yet to watch Die Hard or any sequels…

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BigPapa  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:22:03am

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I only just watched it this year with my teenage kids. And I have yet to watch Die Hard or any sequels…

Die Hard is a Christmas Movie.

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:22:43am

re: #310 BigPapa

Lana Wachowski utterly destroying the incel-ingrates and wingnut Red Pillers by taking them through how The Matrix was very trans influenced is making my heart burst with rainbows. She’s utterly crushing them.

This is where I put on my fandom hat and remind everybody that authorial intent… is not the be-all and end-all of a film’s “meaning.” Also novels, poems, paintings, music, etc.

The audience sees what they see, feels what they feel, and the meaning they ascribe to the work is every bit as valid as the meaning the work’s creator was trying to convey.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:27:48am

re: #331 BigPapa

Die Hard is a Christmas Movie.

and that is about all I know about it…

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:28:09am

re: #332 sagehen

This is where I put on my fandom hat and remind everybody that authorial intent… is not the be-all and end-all of a film’s “meaning.” Also novels, poems, paintings, music, etc.

The audience sees what they see, feels what they feel, and the meaning they ascribe to the work is every bit as valid as the meaning the work’s creator was trying to convey.

99.9999% of the time I would agree, but fuck the incels.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:28:26am

re: #332 sagehen

This is where I put on my fandom hat and remind everybody that authorial intent… is not the be-all and end-all of a film’s “meaning.” Also novels, poems, paintings, music, etc.

The audience sees what they see, feels what they feel, and the meaning they ascribe to the work is every bit as valid as the meaning the work’s creator was trying to convey.

especially decades/centuries later when the author/creator is long dead and gone

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:28:58am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and that is about all I know about it…

watch the first one. If nothing else, it’s another iconic Alan Rickman role.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:30:06am

re: #334 Belafon

99.9999% of the time I would agree, but fuck the incels.

Daughter was telling me about a blowup on the net concerning Spongebob’s “sexuality”…which astounded me…he is a cartoon character and a member of phylum porifera.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:30:34am

re: #336 Belafon

watch the first one. If nothing else, it’s another iconic Alan Rickman role.

I suppose I will at some point.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:31:05am
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BigPapa  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:31:27am
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NetworkKed  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:32:08am

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I only just watched it this year with my teenage kids. And I have yet to watch Die Hard or any sequels…

The first Die Hard is the perfect Hollywood thriller. It doesn’t quite qualify as an action movie by modern standards, but it’s… perfect.

The rest are merely competent. 2 suffers from too much gunplay and bad villians, 3 has a lot of super good ideas and the best co-star but gets just a bit too cartoonish, 4 has an awkward hacker movie pasted in, 5… I don’t remember 5.

But you have to watch Die Hard.

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wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:32:45am
This is the first entry tagged: Apocalyptic Rock

I enjoy finding a first entry tagged:

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gwangung  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:33:21am

re: #332 sagehen

This is where I put on my fandom hat and remind everybody that authorial intent… is not the be-all and end-all of a film’s “meaning.” Also novels, poems, paintings, music, etc.

The audience sees what they see, feels what they feel, and the meaning they ascribe to the work is every bit as valid as the meaning the work’s creator was trying to convey.

Well, yes, but what we’re seeing here is that authorial intent is showing what COULD be there, and denying that it could be there is invalid. The trans lens is valid and cannot be a stretch BECAUSE of authorial intent (though it isn’t the sole interpretation).

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:33:37am

re: #131 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

If you’re reforming a system that involved the entire ruling class and went on for generations, truth and reconciliation are probably the only way to go, but we don’t have that issue here. We have a group of people who betrayed their oaths, their offices, their constituents and their country to support a crime family. I don’t need “truth” — what they were doing is here for all to see, and I’m not the least inclined toward reconciliation.

On which note, it’s past my bedtime. Keep on keeping on.

But in a sense we do. Jim Crow officially lasted for a century after the Civil War; it took the 1967 Loving vs. Virginia decision to make it illegal to ban interracial marriage. And as soon as VRA and CRA passed, Nixon adopted the Southern strategy. Yes — the entire ruling class wasn’t involved but enough were during this entire period of time. Look at Eric Garner, George Floyd, Philando Castile, Sandra Bland, Breonna Taylor, etc. Bush 43 certainly wasn’t a racist personally, but his campaign used such tactics against McCain in the 2000 South Carolina primary.

The 1968 Kerner Commission addressed some of this but was ignored, probably because Nixon won the 1968 election. We need another such report — but this time early enough in a Democratic administration so that it can adopt policies that will ultimately lead to a true reconciliation in this nation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:35:25am

re: #344 Hecuba’s daughter

The 1968 Kerner Commission addressed some of this but was ignored, probably because Nixon won the 1968 election. We need another such report — but this time early enough in a Democratic administration so that it can adopt policies that will ultimately lead to a true reconciliation in this nation.

We cannot rest until we have something that at least resembles Freedom of Opportunity.

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William Lewis  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:42:35am

For those who care, Krag progress:

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A Cranky One  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:53:34am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:58:47am

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:02:12am

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

Looks like another COVID-19 outbreak is underway in Singapore.

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Have mentioned this before: Weeks ago, the autocrat Lee Hsien Loong who runs Singapore was on Fareed Zakaria. He was very glum about the prospects of stopping this pandemic, and much of his dismay was due to the fact that the US, which historically has been a leader in fighting infectious diseases worldwide, has abandoned that role and there was no one to take up the mantle. If he were in charge of a large nation such as the US or China, I have no doubt this would be under control because he would have addressed this early and thoroughly.

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A Cranky One  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:04:14am

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:17:26am

re: #349 Hecuba’s daughter

Have mentioned this before: Weeks ago, the autocrat Lee Hsien Loong who runs Singapore was on Fareed Zakaria. He was very glum about the prospects of stopping this pandemic, and much of his dismay was due to the fact that the US, which historically has been a leader in fighting infectious diseases worldwide, has abandoned that role and there was no one to take up the mantle. If he were in charge of a large nation such as the US or China, I have no doubt this would be under control because he would have addressed this early and thoroughly.

My question is: why is the death rate so low in Singapore? 27 out of 55,000 cases? I don’t think that they would be lying about this, but it would seem consistent with different strains of the disease, some much more virulent than others. Or am I naive about whether this information is reliable in an autocracy, even one as well-run as Singapore, with leaders who are cosmopolitan, well-educated, and intelligent?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:20:21am
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plansbandc  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:27:13am

re: #308 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

What the heck? Are those fancy chickens?

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:34:32am

re: #351 Hecuba’s daughter

My question is: why is the death rate so low in Singapore? 27 out of 55,000 cases? I don’t think that they would be lying about this, but it would seem consistent with different strains of the disease, some much more virulent than others. Or am I naive about whether this information is reliable in an autocracy, even one as well-run as Singapore, with leaders who are cosmopolitan, well-educated, and intelligent?

Masks. They’ve been very into masks ever since SARS. Even between epidemics. And their culture has a lot of hand-washing.

Also, the place has been as clean as an OR forever, you could almost eat off the sidewalk. They’re healthier than us to start with. No overcrowded inadequately-staffed nursing homes. No meat-processing plants. And their prisons don’t have everyone smushed together like ours,

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Jay C  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:37:17am

re: #351 Hecuba’s daughter

My question is: why is the death rate so low in Singapore? 27 out of 55,000 cases? I don’t think that they would be lying about this, but it would seem consistent with different strains of the disease, some much more virulent than others. Or am I naive about whether this information is reliable in an autocracy, even one as well-run as Singapore, with leaders who are cosmopolitan, well-educated, and intelligent?

Probably a combination of factors at work here:
1. SIngapore’s numbers are likely inaccurate/minimized: however, probably not that wildly - unlike, say, Florida’s or Georgia’s.
2. There is a possibility that the CV strain prevalent there MAY be less-lethal than those elsewhere: also: unless I’m mistaken, their healthcare system is “First-World” standard - so presumably, are their tracing/tracking abilities.
3. (Probably most importantly): I would guess that in Singapore, where government is pretty ubiquitous and authoritarian - authorities were quicker to impose - and more-rigorously enforce - control measures like masking/distancing, mass-testing, business closures, quarantines. etc.. And probably at a level most Americans (even *responsible* ones) wouldn’t tolerate.

AND: what sagehen noted at #354

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A Cranky One  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:42:49am

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:05:41am

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:08:53am

“Bike Week” in NH starts in two weeks. Organizers say safety measures—like banning beer tents—are in place. We’ll see. Sturgis folks if positive will start showing symptoms by then, except of course for the asymptomatic.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:20:48am

re: #357 retired cynic

They pull you in with the cuddles then give you rabies, right libertarian presidential candidate? 😂

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:22:55am

‘…When President Donald Trump connected by phone last week with Republican megadonor Sheldon Adelson — perhaps the only person in the party who can cut a nine-figure check to aid his reelection — the phone call unexpectedly turned contentious.

The 87-year-old casino mogul had reached out to Trump to talk about the coronavirus relief bill and the economy. But then Trump brought the conversation around to the campaign and confronted Adelson about why he wasn’t doing more to bolster his reelection, according to three people with direct knowledge of the call. One of the people said it was apparent the president had no idea how much Adelson, who’s donated tens of millions of dollars to pro-Trump efforts over the years, had helped him. Adelson chose not to come back at Trump.”

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:24:50am

Republicans will happily kill people to suppress the vote.

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BigPapa  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:31:08am

re: #361 jaunte

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Republicans will happily kill people to suppress the vote.

Genocide is a term that should be used.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:32:16am

re: #361 jaunte

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Republicans will happily kill people to suppress the vote.

That’s the point.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:34:11am

Afternoon Lizardim.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:34:21am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:36:04am

re: #366 retired cynic

No One Knows How Many Beirut Ports There Might Be in America
Ammonium nitrate, the chemical that decimated the Lebanese capital, is largely unregulated and untracked across the United States.
Charlie Pierce

Doesn’t seem like all that long ago that ammonium nitrate was among the most closely scrutinized substances (in bulk) in the country.

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plansbandc  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:37:22am

re: #365 jaunte

This has to be The Onion. Right?

JFC

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:49:02am

re: #325 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally kicked off yesterday, with many of its average middle-age participants no doubt following in a few weeks.
I decided therefore to get informed about the town of Sturgis. The place is actually quite small, 6627 people in the last census, and the giant rally accounts for something like 90% of local revenue. The total economic impact is estimated at $800 million for the state as a whole, which is close to a grand per person. This bit of census data jumped out at me:

Sturgis doesn’t just pump money into the economy of the Black Hills. Every approach to the area is also flooded with motorcycles.

I just went to the store (I WON THE LOTTO! - one free ticket) to pick up a few things, and the general store parking lot looks like a motorcycle dealership. Motorcycles constantly travel US-26, and our park will be a campground until a couple days after the rally is over.

At the same time, the town-wide yard sale is going on, so people from around the area are also in town today.

As of yesterday, the town was still Covid-free. I’m not expecting that to remain so much longer.

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stpaulbear  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:50:01am

re: #364 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Afternoon Lizardim.

Are you back home from your getaway?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:51:18am

re: #360 jaunte

Still unknown if adleson will point up call for trump but he’s definitely giving money to Senate Republicans.

Adleson should spend more time at his casino.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:51:39am

This will not trend well……..

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:53:32am

re: #372 Dave In Austin

This will not trend well……..

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YIKES!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:54:03am

re: #370 stpaulbear

Are you back home from your getaway?

I am. Now awaiting the storms that appear to be on the horizon.

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plansbandc  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:56:50am

re: #369 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

My mom and dad went to some town wide garage sales in Nebraska a few times.

They found lots of excellent antiques for their shop. Found me a couple of really cool things too.

I remember them telling me that there was no cell service whatsoever, and they felt like they were on a different planet.

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:57:05am

re: #372 Dave In Austin

This will not trend well……..

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They’ll have to rename it to Mt. Rapemore.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:57:37am

re: #376 Teddy’s Person

They’ll have to rename it to Mt. Rapemore.

👍👍

Well done!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:59:19am

re: #367 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Doesn’t seem like all that long ago that ammonium nitrate was among the most closely scrutinized substances (in bulk) in the country.

cisa.gov

These are the laws, regulations, and notices issued regarding ammonium nitrate sale, transfer, storage, and use.

Public Law 110-161 Subtitle J (PDF) was passed December 26, 2007 to establish the legal framework for regulating ammonium nitrate.

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:00:04pm

re: #377 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

👍👍

Well done!

I almost went with Mt. Pervmore but thought, why be subtle.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:01:40pm

re: #375 plansbandc

My mom and dad went to some town wide garage sales in Nebraska a few times.

They found lots of excellent antiques for their shop. Found me a couple of really cool things too.

I remember them telling me that there was no cell service whatsoever, and they felt like they were on a different planet.

Planet Cornhusker. /s

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:01:55pm
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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:03:39pm

re: #365 jaunte

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Another part of the Noem for VP story is that she traveled to DC for a mea culpa to Pence and didn’t get to see Trump at all. For a brief shiny moment, she thought she was the next Sarah Palin.

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plansbandc  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:03:44pm

I have an old ladyman yells at cloud for you.

Dude had to move all of his prescriptions to a different pharmacy now that he’s officially medicare.

So he ordered a prescription and we went to pick it up. As I think I’ve told you, dude isn’t mobile anymore, so we pretty much have to do drive up.

So we are at the drive up and we wait for about 15 minutes and then finally get up to the window. Dude says he’s there to pick up a prescription. Window boy is like, oh. You have to go through the other line. This line is for covid test drop offs only.

Was there any signage, any indication at all that that was the case? Maybe a sign as you drive towards the drive up indicating that there’s a dedicated lane for covid tests? Anything at all? Anything. Oh fuck no.

OMG this shit makes me so angry. And it could so easily be fixed. I hate the world.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:05:08pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:06:18pm

re: #381 jaunte

Found the libertarian.

Tax avoidance is selfish, or a crime (depending on how you do it).

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plansbandc  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:07:06pm

re: #380 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

They went to a couple of CU/NU games in Omaha over the years also.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:07:08pm

re: #379 Teddy’s Person

I almost went with Mt. Pervmore but thought, why be subtle.

A friend from FB posts:
That’s Mount Douchemore!! 🤣😂🤣😂

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:07:31pm

re: #385 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

There’s something wrong with the law as written when an obvious golf course can pretend to be a farm by running a few goats around on it.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:08:13pm

It’s not a fucking goat farm if you don’t make money from goats.

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plansbandc  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:08:24pm

re: #387 Dave In Austin

I like Mt. Douchemore a whole lot, but it absolutely IS Mt. Rapemore.

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wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:09:01pm

re: #389 jaunte

It’s not a fucking goat farm if you don’t make money from goats.

He was just kidding.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:09:24pm

re: #365 jaunte

Maybe he needs to talk to Brian Kemp.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:09:48pm

re: #391 wrenchwench

Oh I know, I’m just tired of Trump’s full spectrum criminality.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:10:32pm

re: #383 plansbandc

See, the one time I ran into that, there was at least pretty clear signage so I knew to pull into the far lane. Without the signage, I can’t imagine how frustrating that would be.

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:10:56pm

re: #385 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Found the libertarian.

I bet Petruna learned this from a book checked out at the local public library that he read under a shade tree in the public park after which he drove home on publicly maintained roads only to encounter a policeman directing traffic due to firemen putting out a fire at the local courthouse where he once sued the local dry cleaner for ruining his favorite suit.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:11:19pm

re: #392 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Bas relief of Trump riding along with his confederate generals, but he’s in a golf cart.

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plansbandc  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:12:00pm

re: #394 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I am going to call and pitch a bitch. I know it’s not that big of a thing in the grand scheme, but it’s just such an easy fix.

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wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:13:17pm

re: #396 jaunte

Bas relief of Trump riding along with his confederate generals, but he’s in a golf cart.

Bas relief, now it’s sheep.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:14:19pm

re: #398 wrenchwench

Bas Relief, the Ovine Charity

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:14:21pm

re: #366 retired cynic

From the article, because of course he did.

On Thursday, the EPA — which delayed implementation of the Obama rule after Trump took office — announced it would largely unwind the regulation, which was widely unpopular in the chemical industry. Republican officials argued it was too burdensome and increased the risk of terror attacks as it required some divulgence by facilities regarding what dangerous chemicals they stored. Some first responder groups also argued the regulation is too complex, though in lawsuits filed after the West incident and other recent chemical plant explosions, first responders have argued that a lack of information impacted their ability to respond effectively.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:14:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:20:31pm

re: #393 jaunte

Oh I know, I’m just tired of Trump’s full spectrum criminality.

More than just full spectrum. He also has ultracriminality and infracriminality.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:21:39pm

re: #397 plansbandc

I am going to call and pitch a bitch. I know it’s not that big of a thing in the grand scheme, but it’s just such an easy fix.

DOWN WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT!!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:27:01pm

Reads bottom up. State Senator Tony Vargas’s father died May 1 from coronavirus.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:33:01pm

A friend just posted this on FB:

In zombie movies and shows there are always the people who get bit, then hide it. I always thought that couldn’t possibly be a thing, that nobody would be so deadly selfish.
Now I know at least a third of Americans would hide their bites, even knowing people will die.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:34:03pm

re: #404 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Reads bottom up. State Senator Tony Vargas’s father died May 1 from coronavirus.

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The No is way more devastating if you apply it to the second sentence instead of the first.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:35:06pm

First posted 2 years ago yesterday. Remember when this kind of stuff was hyperbole?

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:36:13pm

re: #405 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A friend just posted this on FB:

WWZ is full of it. And the governments had to go to extreme measures to eliminate those people.

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ckkatz  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:40:31pm

re: #346 William Lewis

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:41:24pm

re: #407 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:42:13pm

Trump’s Dealings in Scotland Were Typically Shady—and Now, Legally Perilous
It goes well beyond his use of the State Department to try to get a golf tournament moved to his property.
more Charlie Pierce

Apparently, according to Mother Jones, officials in Scotland have grown more than curious about how a five-time bankrupt managed to raise enough money to buy up so much of the landscape. Their curiosity was piqued when the president* bought up 1,400 acres of Aberdeenshire and proposed to build a huge golf resort on the otherwise obscure patch of land. And, unlike many of the president*’s other purchases, this was entirely a cash transaction. He’d earlier paid cash to buy Turnberry, the property to which Woody Johnson was tasked to bring The Open Championship.

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:42:34pm

And when these things fail to happen, Trump will tweet out, “all THE nasty DemocRATS ripped UP my beautiful PROnouncements.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:43:48pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:44:49pm

Will Smith took to Instagram for an interview, where he said that no one should vote for or elect “godless leaders.” He posted the video to his Facebook page. He is being flooded with positive commentary for his brave stand against the godless.

Christian magazines and apologists across the land are cheering Mr. Smith for his brave stand against those of us who have no representation in our secular government.

Since I won’t link to those, I’ll link to Hemant Mehta’s blog The Friendly Atheist. Mr. Smith’s Instagram video is linked there.
friendlyatheist.patheos.com

During an interview with CNN political commentator Angela Rye on her show “On 1,” actor Will Smith argued that what our country needs right now are people who don’t promote the “destructive aspects of loveless, godless leadership.”

That went out to his 47.7 million followers.

Other famous African-Americans have done the same, such as Oprah Winfrey.

I presume that means if he lived here, in my recent reëlection he would have voted for the Nazi then, because that guy’s a Christian.

The irony, of course, is that our current leadership is being driven and supported by white evangelicals who surround the president — the guy who had people tear-gassed so he could hold up a Bible for a pathetic photo op — and defend every awful thing he does. They treat criticism of Trump as persecution of Christians.

The president of Black Nonbelievers shot back at him on his Instagram page, but her voice is buried under all the others.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:46:43pm

Added link in the comment above.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:46:47pm

re: #411 retired cynic

*cough*MONEY LAUNDERING*cough*

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:46:53pm

re: #412 Teddy’s Person

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2020 • 12:48:57pm

moron

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William Lewis  Aug 8, 2020 • 1:18:03pm

re: #409 ckkatz

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