Michael Brecker, Herbie Hancock, Roy Hargrove “Directions in Music” - JazzBaltica 2002

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This whole concert is one of the all-time greats, so watch it all if you’re jazz-inclined, but I’ve queued this video up to one of the most mind-blowing solo saxophone candenzas I’ve ever heard, Michael Brecker’s interpretation of the John Coltrane standard “Naima.”

!!! jazzbaltica.de
Michael Brecker - michaelbrecker.com
Herbie Hancock - herbiehancock.com
George Mraz - georgemraz.com

00:00:19 - The Sorcerer
00:10:24 - The Poet
00:17:18 - So What / Impressions
00:36:32 - Misstery
00:45:15 - Naima (Brecker solo)
00:55:50 - Transition
01:10:20 - My Ship
01:18:36 - D Trane
01:34:57 - Pinocchio
01:43:02 - end credits

Michael Brecker - tenor saxophone
Roy Hargrove - trumpet
Herbie Hancock - piano
George Mraz - bass
Willie Jones III. - drums

Große Konzertscheune, Jazzbaltica, Salzau, Germany, 6.7.2002

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223 comments

1
I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:43:29pm

FT

2
Broad With Sass  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:43:40pm

FT GOTV

3
Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:51:03pm

Michael Brecker was tapped into something, that’s for sure. I’ve heard a lot of amazing stuff he’s done, but this was just completely beyond. What an amazing talent.

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LadyBehir  Aug 8, 2020 • 6:55:16pm

I quite concur with post #2.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:17:20pm
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🌹UOJB!  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:21:27pm

Just wondering if any Republicans have chimed in about Micromushroomdick exceeding his authority with today’s batch of executive orders?

Every fucking Republican chimed in whenever Obama issued any executive order. Every last one of them said Obama was exceeding his Constitutional Authority…

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:25:37pm

re: #6 🌹UOJB!

Just wondering if any Republicans have chimed in about Micromushroomdick exceeding his authority with today’s batch of executive orders?

Every fucking Republican chimed in whenever Obama issued any executive order. Every last one of them said Obama was exceeding his Constitutional Authority…

Grassley was OK with it.

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:25:41pm

This is great.

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Broad With Sass  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:25:45pm

re: #6 🌹UOJB!

Ben Sasse

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:25:51pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:29:34pm

re: #6 🌹UOJB!

Just wondering if any Republicans have chimed in about Micromushroomdick exceeding his authority with today’s batch of executive orders?

Every fucking Republican chimed in whenever Obama issued any executive order. Every last one of them said Obama was exceeding his Constitutional Authority…

Yes. It’s a RAW Story link but it answers your question.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:35:34pm

What did the blockbuster movie Titanic have in common with the scary film Sixth Sense?

“Icy dead people!”

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plansbandc  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:37:27pm

So the Rockies are playing the best baseball I’ve seen them play at the beginning of a season ever.

So very 2020

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:38:02pm

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:38:08pm
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Dave In Austin  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:42:27pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:49:01pm

I’m honestly not sure this country could survive four more years of Donald Trump.

We’ve barely made it through most of the first four.

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plansbandc  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:50:23pm

re: #16 Dave In Austin

I loathe Bill Mahre. He’s a misogynistic piece of crap.

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:51:04pm

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m honestly not sure this country could survive four more years of Donald Trump.

We’ve barely made it through most of the first four.

A lot of us haven’t.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:53:42pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:56:12pm

re: #18 plansbandc

I loathe Bill Mahre. He’s a misogynistic piece of crap.

And anti-VAXX. Plus, he was encouraging young people to ignore the pandemic and get out there. Huge sigh.

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plansbandc  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:56:48pm

re: #19 retired cynic

I’m not sure dude and I will survive the first 4 years. If he stays in power, we definitely won’t survive.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2020 • 7:57:02pm

re: #20 jaunte

“Do not neglect your mask.”

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Dave In Austin  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:04:38pm

Saturday Nite Forging with Torbjorn……
Bearded Axing

Blacksmithing - Forging a bearded axe

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:06:45pm
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jaunte  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:08:02pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:11:18pm

re: #26 jaunte

I don’t speak a lick of Japanese but damn if that wasn’t pretty cool.

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William Lewis  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:19:58pm

re: #24 Dave In Austin

Saturday Nite Forging with Torbjorn……
Bearded Axing

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Nice. Feel free to practice your skills at that by making me one < whistles innocently >

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Dave In Austin  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:27:32pm

re: #28 William Lewis

Nice. Feel free to practice your skills at that by making me one < whistles innocently >

Seriously….. I can prolly do that. Most of my forging activities are midnight motivated due to the heat right now.
I have two wheels worth of wrought iron wagon tires that should etch up nicely. I’ll let you know.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:28:48pm

re: #7 Belafon

Grassley was OK with it.

It’s becoming noticeable, that Grassley is compromised.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:33:55pm

re: #28 William Lewis

Example of etched wrought bearded ax.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:38:39pm

re: #31 Dave In Austin

Example of etched wrought bearded ax.

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That’s pretty close to the symbol the Predator left on the woman’s cheek in Predator vs. Alien.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:41:48pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:43:42pm

...

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plansbandc  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:44:59pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

Sweet jacket! And Happy Birthday!

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William Lewis  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:45:27pm

re: #31 Dave In Austin

Example of etched wrought bearded ax.

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Very beautiful piece of steel.

My intention is to grow my sword collection this year with this one:

lkchensword.com

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:48:14pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

/fv0pKSsTnQH6S3OQ3YdkR+HoxZ4U0g3KkJxv5u1y3NmA38Ujx+z54+r1uKzaqziIPLslzO0Zi7U5JzaVUtGvBkvzXYMsexK1qXUiDH51az866dUvbmwxT+C9F2AkKyagpBuf5S6nqAyLkdyb0dLJEQgEKUHgk0y9kXNaF7ELP60MTb3BerN6q0Qh+P9VGGnOBZy9zl+ztLuE40azTMHGHAgJap6qBhV0J/0QZQKU5qgVl9nu7SaBg9EC0HOwpOJpeNrspU6gvMEef3sU1oEeTTQ+dulD+Fv

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Dave In Austin  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:51:08pm

re: #36 William Lewis

Do you have a bladesmith?

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:54:49pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

Yes at some point in the distant past my Dad probably stole a CVS basket. Please don’t send them after me.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:57:01pm

re: #18 plansbandc

I loathe Bill Mahre. He’s a misogynistic piece of crap.

And somewhat racist too.

Watched his July 31 broadcast earlier today and he had a panel of Bari Weiss and Thomas Chatterton Williams discussing (of course) cancel culture. Had never heard of Williams before — but he seemed like the epitome of an African-American who believes that racism is an artifact of the past. He and Bari seemed very sympatico on ideas. The best part was their focus on associating so called “cancel culture” with the left — and then Bari tells a sad story about a Palestinian who is losing his bakery business in Minnesota (?) because his teen-age daughter posted vile messages on social media — but there was no hint that the attacks were likely from the right, rather than the left.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 8, 2020 • 8:58:30pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

A very Happy Birthday!!

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William Lewis  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:01:37pm

re: #38 Dave In Austin

Do you have a bladesmith?

Only whomever is Mr Chen’s smith in south China. I have one of their historically correct and delightful jian, the Flying Phoenix. The folded steel pattern is a real delight. The Tang era dao is made using clay differential hardening and puts a hamon on the edge as well. This type of sword was imported by the Japanese and would eventually evolve into the modem katana.

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plansbandc  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:01:51pm

re: #40 Hecuba’s daughter

And completely Islamophobic.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:02:36pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

Yes at some point in the distant past my Dad probably stole a CVS basket. Please don’t send them after me.

Also, that basket has some weed in it, which makes it okay.

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:02:48pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

Is that an Ork vehicle top right?

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ckkatz  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:06:26pm

re: #26 jaunte

Way cool. I had known about Japanese Salsa bands, but not Cumbia bands:

ORQUESTA DE LA LUZ salsa caliente del japon

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:06:27pm

re: #45 Renaissance_Man

Is that an Ork vehicle top right?

A half assembled Battlewagon. Gotta get back to building. Beneath it is a birthday present, the Prophesy of the Wolf kit with the new Ghazghkull Thraka model.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:06:42pm

re: #42 William Lewis

I know a guy…. Not me, but a capable ABS BladeSmith I know and trust down in San Antonio.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:08:48pm

Watching my Facebook feed… and see that some never-Trumpers are angry about today’s Trump royal proclamations… and they are so close to the epiphany that they need….

But, it is also clear that many have been so programmed over many years, about what “true conservatism” is all about. They still cling to the idea that government is bad, that taxes are bad, that if only government wouldn’t interfere then life would be better, etc.

It’s awfully hard for people to give up religious beliefs.

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:14:53pm

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

A half assembled Battlewagon. Gotta get back to building. Beneath it is a birthday present, the Prophesy of the Wolf kit with the new Ghazkull Thraka model.

Props for Orks, hardest force to play.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:16:22pm

re: #50 Renaissance_Man

Props for Orks, hardest force to play.

Yeah but I’m pretty introverted so it all works out.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:24:17pm

The other nice thing about Orks in 40K is they’re the only one’s actually having any fun. If you win playing with Orks it’s not due to your tactics but because their rules are a bunch of weird random bullshit, just like life.

The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn? And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn’t even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude.

-Uthan the Perverse, Eldar Philosopher

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:24:56pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

I’ll be right over in that case! 😎

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:28:08pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

The other nice thing about Orks in 40K is they’re the only one’s actually having any fun. If you win playing with Orks it’s not due to your tactics but because their rules are a bunch of weird random bullshit, just like life.

That’s said, they really are just idealized Space Republicans, in that their ramshackle garbage gear literally only works because they believe it should, and their collective psychic will holds it all together.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:36:37pm

I know about the complaints about not having a helmet, and my kids always wear one, but in that video, had Biden worn a helmet, that’s all it would have been about, how he’s so fragile that he needs and helmet. Trump never wears one while riding in his golf cart.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2020 • 9:39:57pm

re: #55 Belafon

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I know about the complaints about not having a helmet, and my kids always wear one, but in that video, had Biden worn a helmet, that’s all it would have been about, how he’s so fragile that he needs and helmet. Trump never wears one while riding in his golf cart.

Yep.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:03:32pm

re: #56 goddamnedfrank

Yep.

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I imagine the GOP putting a picture of Biden with a helmet next to Dukakis.

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thecommodore  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:21:09pm

A Facebook posted this in the wake of Trump’s EO’s:

With this, Trump has won the White vote with this. He doesn’t need anything else.
Democrats should have chosen a better candidate.
Biden has no path to the White House now.

This is typical of Bernie dead-enders, and this guy has already said he’s not voting.

I’ll go waaaaay out on a limb and say that letting Trump win probably guarantees that this guy (who is 60 years old) won’t live to see any of Bernie’s proposals come to fruition. Hell, his kids may not live to see it.

It makes me sick.

These fucking idiots are almost as selfish and narrow-minded as the MAGA bots.

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austin_blue  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:31:33pm

re: #58 thecommodore

A Facebook posted this in the wake of Trump’s EO’s:

This is typical of Bernie dead-enders, and this guy has already said he’s not voting.

I’ll go waaaaay out on a limb and say that letting Trump win probably guarantees that this guy (who is 60 years old) won’t live to see any of Bernie’s proposals come to fruition. Hell, his kids may not live to see it.

It makes me sick.

These fucking idiots are almost as selfish and narrow-minded as the MAGA bots.

That’s not a Bernie Bot, that’s a guy sitting in Russia and banging out one of his required 100 tweets/night.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:38:47pm

re: #58 thecommodore

A Facebook posted this in the wake of Trump’s EO’s:

This is typical of Bernie dead-enders, and this guy has already said he’s not voting.

I’ll go waaaaay out on a limb and say that letting Trump win probably guarantees that this guy (who is 60 years old) won’t live to see any of Bernie’s proposals come to fruition. Hell, his kids may not live to see it.

It makes me sick.

These fucking idiots are almost as selfish and narrow-minded as the MAGA bots.

I think they are worse, they should know better.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2020 • 10:46:59pm

So, I wake up this morning here in Europe and see that Trump, thinking yet again that he’s the King of America, wants to suspend the payroll tax that funds Social Security.

And I’ll bet there’s a lot of folks out there who’d probably be fine with him doing so. That’s because there’s waaaay too many people out there who don’t understand how it works.

I’d venture that probably most Americans don’t understand where the money for Social Security actually comes from. They think that the money they paid in payroll taxes their entire working lives went into an individual savings account designated specifically for them, and then the money they get later from Social Security is paid out of the savings from their own account.

You can see this from far too many interviews with retirees; they’ll say something like, “I paid into Social Security, that money is mine!” And when they say that, they don’t mean that they paid into a social obligation and society is thus obligated to pay them when they retire. No…..they think they are getting their own money back, much like an IRA account.

So, given this misunderstanding, they probably won’t have a problem with cutting current payroll taxes, because they’re under the mistaken notion that “their” money is already squirreled away into an account and “their” money is just waiting for them.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 8, 2020 • 11:07:45pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 9, 2020 • 12:00:07am

Since demolishing the US is the current trend, at least among Trumpers and Republicans, we’ll note that the “Secession House” in SC is for sale, should one want to do some LARPing confederate style:

zillow.com

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 12:07:13am

re: #62 Dread Pirate Ron

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IOW, it’s typical Trumpian politics in the CV-19 era: Make a lot of noise about all the things “he” is doing, while the reality is that he’s passed the buck to the states and will blame them when the thing “he” has done falls through.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2020 • 12:10:24am

re: #63 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Since demolishing the US is the current trend, at least among Trumpers and Republicans, we’ll note that the “Secession House” in SC is for sale, should one want to do some LARPing confederate style:

zillow.com

If Trump and the GOP get wiped out this November, unfortunately, they’ll have a couple of months to burn the USA to the ground in a scorched-earth strategy of revenge - and I strongly suspect that’s what they’ll try to do.

We have to be prepared for that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2020 • 12:12:41am

re: #65 Dr Lizardo

If Trump and the GOP get wiped out this November, unfortunately, they’ll have a couple of months to burn the USA to the ground in a scorched-earth strategy of revenge - and I strongly suspect that’s what they’ll try to do.

We have to be prepared for that.

Then they will blame Biden for the mess he inherits. We know. So does he, he saw it with his former boss.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 12:27:33am

re: #58 thecommodore

A Facebook posted this in the wake of Trump’s EO’s:

This is typical of Bernie dead-enders, and this guy has already said he’s not voting.

I’ll go waaaaay out on a limb and say that letting Trump win probably guarantees that this guy (who is 60 years old) won’t live to see any of Bernie’s proposals come to fruition. Hell, his kids may not live to see it.

It makes me sick.

These fucking idiots are almost as selfish and narrow-minded as the MAGA bots.

Assuming this was a real moron and not a bot, the only response would be a single question: “If Bernie has the power to stop Trump from winning the election after signing these EOs, why isn’t he using it?”

There’s no answer to that that would make Bernie look like anything but a bitter, cynical bastard.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2020 • 12:30:08am

re: #58 thecommodore

A Facebook posted this in the wake of Trump’s EO’s:

With this, Trump has won the White vote with this. He doesn’t need anything else.
Democrats should have chosen a better candidate.
Biden has no path to the White House now.

It does indicate that Trump is still good at manipulating the media: those opposing his EO’s for valid reasons will be seen as “enemies of working people”.

Meanwhile he has defunded SS right under our noses.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 12:32:08am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It does indicate that Trump is still good at manipulating the media: those opposing his EO’s for valid reasons will be seen as “enemies of working people”.

Meanwhile he has defunded SS right under our noses.

It’s typical Trump: All sizzle, no steak. Yet the media keeps selling the sizzle because there are enough morons who keep showing up looking for steak to keep them in business.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2020 • 12:39:02am

re: #69 Targetpractice

It’s typical Trump: All sizzle, no steak. Yet the media keeps selling the sizzle because there are enough morons who keep showing up looking for steak to keep them in business.

our media love him because he provides them with an ongoing 24/7 political scandal/crime show, starting with the morning’s tweets and then moving on to some other announcement, rally or shady dealings on his part or that of his family/associates.

They have no interest in seeing it end.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 12:40:15am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

our media love him because he provides them with an ongoing 24/7 political scandal/crime show, starting with the morning’s tweets and then moving on to some other announcement, rally or shady dealings on his part or that of his family/associates.

They have no interest in seeing it end.

Of course not. Right now they treat his BS as reality, and in a week when the smoke dissipates and people see that these EOs don’t do squat, they’ll report on that as though it’s some new “revelation.”

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 12:54:01am

The media reporting in the hours since the “signing” has been typical of the Trump era: 3-4 paragraphs about what he/WH say he’s done/accomplished, 1-2 paragraphs (if that) about how Dems say he’s full of shit, and then towards the bottom of the article the writer admits that most everybody knows he is full of shit but “it remains to be seen.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2020 • 1:41:31am

re: #72 Targetpractice

The media reporting in the hours since the “signing” has been typical of the Trump era: 3-4 paragraphs about what he/WH say he’s done/accomplished, 1-2 paragraphs (if that) about how Dems say he’s full of shit, and then towards the bottom of the article the writer admits that most everybody knows he is full of shit but “it remains to be seen.”

and speculating whether this move makes him more “presidential”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 9, 2020 • 2:35:47am
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Kilroy was here  Aug 9, 2020 • 2:37:45am

Democrat Kai Kahele wins Hawaii primary to replace Tulsi Gabbard

She won’t be missed…

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Thanos  Aug 9, 2020 • 3:13:08am

re: #26 jaunte

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Now there’s some great cultural fusion.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 9, 2020 • 3:18:00am
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dangerman  Aug 9, 2020 • 3:46:10am
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dangerman  Aug 9, 2020 • 3:47:54am
Meadows no longer holds a daily 8 a.m. meeting that includes health professionals to discuss the raging pandemic. Instead, aides said, he huddles in the mornings with a half-dozen politically oriented aides — and when the virus comes up, their focus is more on how to convince the public that President Trump has the crisis under control, rather than on methodically planning ways to contain it.”

wapo

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2020 • 4:02:49am
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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 4:04:53am

Well, if anything, Trump has certainly got the MAGAts sporting wood, they’re all absolutely thrilled that their dictator has shown he “doesn’t need Congress” in order to do things. Of course, it’s all smoke and mirrors, only one of the things he signed yesterday was actually an EO and it only directs the Treasury and HUD to dig in the couch cushions to stop evictions of people whose rentals are covered by HUD. But they’re convinced that he’s not only taken leverage from House Dems, he’s taken these issues off the table for the rest of the year and it’s gonna get him reelected for sure because the economy will boom after this.

Why is this so? Because the media has repeated the WH’s BS verbatim and the fact-checking is largely isolated to Twitter and BBS posts. Most people won’t actually know that it was all horseshit until they notice their UEI checks are a little light, those eviction notices are being enforced, and their student loans are not magically being “forgiven.”

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Florida Panhandler  Aug 9, 2020 • 4:31:54am

The Executive Orders bypassing Congress authority on spending stage has been implemented. Compliant Republican senators See it as an opportunity- not as a Constitutional violation.

Soon as the election draws near will be an EO authorizing a “Civilian Freedom Protection Force” aka Oathkeepers and their fellow travelers to encircle the White House and replace Secret Service as Trump’s main Protection / Praetorian Guard.

The full-on Krazy has just begun.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 4:38:01am

re: #80 Patricia Kayden

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Assuming it’s totally accurate, why did the NYT have to go to Belgium for the story? At most they would have to cross the Hudson for a nursing home horrorshow.

Must have been the beer.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2020 • 4:44:40am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 4:47:14am

NJ sends team to help Andover nursing home where bodies piled up after coronavirus deaths
northjersey.com

Wife was an RN there in the ’80s. Same family owned/managed it.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2020 • 4:52:40am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 9, 2020 • 4:56:57am

How an Iowa summer resort region became a Covid-19 hot spot

[…]

Dickinson County is largely white (96 percent), Republican (72 percent of voters returned a straight Republican ballot in the November 2016 election), and Christian (more than two-thirds). There is an overwhelming ethos of American individualism over collectivism, along with the cultural ideal of self-sufficiency and of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. I heard many people say, “I am not scared of coronavirus,” or, “I’m not scared, I believe in God,” or “If it’s my time to go, God will take me.”

[…]

As I wrote downstairs, the religious right is waging a religious war on the rest of us.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2020 • 4:59:40am

re: #86 Patricia Kayden

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If they can hurt someone then they’ll do it.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 5:07:09am

re: #88 Barefoot Grin

If they can hurt someone then they’ll do it.

They’re arguing timing and tactics.

(Serious odd question: What is the language describing someone who is not TG?)

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Mike Lamb  Aug 9, 2020 • 5:30:13am

re: #78 dangerman

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And Germany, France, and Australia are concerned about flare-ups even with those numbers.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2020 • 5:32:21am

re: #85 Decatur Deb

NJ sends team to help Andover nursing home where bodies piled up after coronavirus deaths
northjersey.com

Wife was an RN there in the ’80s. Same family owned/managed it.

Horrific. And it’s not just New Jersey.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 5:34:07am

re: #90 Mike Lamb

And Germany, France, and Australia are concerned about flare-ups even with those numbers.

The fools think it’s easier to stamp out a camp fire than a forest fire.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2020 • 5:36:47am

re: #62 Dread Pirate Ron

I see a lot of people bashing the media, but Brad is a reporter.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Aug 9, 2020 • 5:38:30am

re: #89 Decatur Deb

They’re arguing timing and tactics.

(Serious odd question: What is the language describing someone who is not TG?)

If you mean Trans-gendered by that TG the opposite is CIS-gendered. Or one whos gender identity matches their body.

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A Cranky One  Aug 9, 2020 • 5:40:03am

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Aug 9, 2020 • 5:41:39am

Off to work. I’ll try to pop in some time during the day.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 5:47:26am

re: #94 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

If you mean Trans-gendered by that TG the opposite is CIS-gendered. Or one whos gender identity matches their body.

Ah. “Cis” works, but it always makes me think of the divisions of Gaul.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 9, 2020 • 5:53:33am

re: #62 Dread Pirate Ron

I want to know who the fuck is behind this because this is definitely way above and beyond anything Trump can conceive.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2020 • 5:58:09am

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2020 • 6:05:38am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2020 • 6:08:29am

re: #100 Belafon

IOW, typical Trump vaporware.

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jeffreyw  Aug 9, 2020 • 6:12:26am

Good morning!

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A Cranky One  Aug 9, 2020 • 6:25:08am

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A Cranky One  Aug 9, 2020 • 6:40:16am

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 9, 2020 • 6:42:33am

re: #104 A Cranky One

Lots of parents are going to need that. After this pandemic I hope that most parents have a new respect for teachers.

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Shropshire Slasher  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:14:30am

re: #105 PhillyPretzel

Lots of parents are going to need that. After this pandemic I hope that most parents have a new respect for teachers.

I certainly have a new respect for our nurses and frontline caregivers.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:21:41am
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jaunte  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:29:39am
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jaunte  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:33:31am

“…As the White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows is responsible for coordinating the vast executive branch, including its coronavirus response. But in closed-door meetings, he has revealed his skepticism of the two physicians guiding the anti-pandemic effort, Deborah Birx and Anthony S. Fauci, routinely questioning their expertise, according to senior administration officials and other people briefed on the internal discussions.

Meadows no longer holds a daily 8 a.m. meeting that includes health professionals to discuss the raging pandemic. Instead, aides said, he huddles in the mornings with a half-dozen politically oriented aides — and when the virus comes up, their focus is more on how to convince the public that President Trump has the crisis under control, rather than on methodically planning ways to contain it.”
washingtonpost.com

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:36:06am
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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:46:40am

Faux already has their talking point:

“But, Speaker,” Wallace pressed, “I understand the president’s executive action doesn’t do all the things you want. But having no bill at all, not coming to any agreement wasn’t going to provide any of the things that you want either.

“You’re known as a master negotiator,” the Fox News host continued. “But didn’t you mess this one up? Because you talk about all the things that the president’s bill… cities and states won’t get any money, there’s no money for the Post Office, there’s no money for hospitals, there’s no money for states boards of elections. You knew that the president was threatening to take this executive action.

“Should you have cut a deal?” Wallace wondered. “And are you ready to go back into talks to try to come up with a fuller package.”

The argument’s pretty clear: Trump got what he wanted, Nancy lost because he went over her head, and now she can either go back to the table and make everything he “did” legal or be seen as fighting to overturn his “help” to the working class.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:48:44am

re: #111 Targetpractice

Faux already has their talking point:

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The argument’s pretty clear: Trump got what he wanted, Nancy lost because he went over her head, and now she can either go back to the table and make everything he “did” legal or be seen as fighting to overturn his “help” to the working class.

Or she and the House can sit tight and see who blinks. The House Dems did their job.

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:48:52am

re: #100 Belafon

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That #3 is huge
Penalties
Interest
Trust fund penalty on top of it
“The president said so” won’t work
There will be no defense

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:52:21am

re: #111 Targetpractice

Faux already has their talking point:

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The argument’s pretty clear: Trump got what he wanted, Nancy lost because he went over her head, and now she can either go back to the table and make everything he “did” legal or be seen as fighting to overturn his “help” to the working class.

The president didn’t “do” anything
He could have just as well given a speech laying out his wants
Using the theater of “EO” doesn’t change anything wrt negotiating

And let’s remember where the hell is the r senate in all this?

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:52:51am

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Or she and the House can sit tight and see who blinks. The House Dems did their job.

4 months ago. Its on Mitch’s desk

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:55:10am

re: #115 dangerman

4 months ago. Its on Mitch’s desk

Nothing in the real world involving relief and stimulus has changed in the last 48 hours.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:56:42am

re: #102 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:58:01am

re: #114 dangerman

The president didn’t “do” anything
He could have just as well given a speech laying out his wants
Using the theater of “EO” doesn’t change anything wrt negotiating

And let’s remember where the hell is the r senate in all this?

It’s what he’s done before: “Look at this thing I wrote, which doesn’t do anything but it looks like it does so the Democrats will be forced to make it the law.” And it hasn’t worked.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 7:58:51am

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Or she and the House can sit tight and see who blinks. The House Dems did their job.

As far as the media at large is concerned, that bill either doesn’t exist or died the moment it left the House. They’ve moved onto the idea that any relief bill is going to come from the Senate and thus from the Republicans. And so Nancy is not negotiating from a position of strength, but is standing in the way of all help to the people when she refuses to agree to the WH’s terms.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:00:02am

re: #114 dangerman

The president didn’t “do” anything
He could have just as well given a speech laying out his wants
Using the theater of “EO” doesn’t change anything wrt negotiating

And let’s remember where the hell is the r senate in all this?

The problem for us is that the media are a pack of stenographers, with virtually every story since yesterday leading with “Trump signed executive orders he says will…”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:01:05am

re: #119 Targetpractice

As far as the media at large is concerned, that bill either doesn’t exist or died the moment it left the House. They’ve moved onto the idea that any relief bill is going to come from the Senate and thus from the Republicans. And so Nancy is not negotiating from a position of strength, but is standing in the way of all help to the people when she refuses to agree to the WH’s terms.

Empty mailboxes in Birmingham speak louder than the NYT.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:03:43am

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Empty mailboxes in Birmingham speak louder than the NYT.

The question now is will they speak up before early voting starts at the end of next month?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:06:47am

re: #122 Targetpractice

The question now is will they speak up before early voting starts at the end of next month?

The effects of the eliminated supplemental Unemployment and eviction protection will be fairly sharp. Even if Dimwit’s EOs were legal, the implementation would take longer than the GOP will bear.

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:08:05am

re: #107 Patricia Kayden

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everybody knows the eo’s arent worth the paper
the R’s wont do anything
do the D’s actually have to sue or take action to ‘invalidate’ something that’s not valid?

this is not a question of what the constitution says
it is not ambiguous
the question being raised here is whether we are following it anymore

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:10:09am
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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:11:09am

re: #124 dangerman

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everybody knows the eo’s arent worth the paper
the R’s wont do anything
do the D’s actually have to sue or take action to ‘invalidate’ something that’s not valid?

this is not a question of what the constitution says
it is not ambiguous
the question being raised here is whether we are following it anymore

Typical Presstitution from the Lies Angeles Times which is why I stopped reading that right wing rag years ago when Otis Chandler was forced out as publisher. When Otis left he took the paper’s integrity with him and it reverted back to the days when “True Industrial Freedom” (i.e. No Unions) graced its masthead…

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:13:04am

THREAD

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lizardofid  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:16:49am

re: #124 dangerman

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everybody knows the eo’s arent worth the paper
the R’s wont do anything
do the D’s actually have to sue or take action to ‘invalidate’ something that’s not valid?

this is not a question of what the constitution says
it is not ambiguous
the question being raised here is whether we are following it anymore

Feels like rope a dope.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:18:01am

The Lord and Founding Fathers decided we needed a king!

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ericblair  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:19:08am

re: #124 dangerman

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everybody knows the eo’s arent worth the paper
the R’s wont do anything
do the D’s actually have to sue or take action to ‘invalidate’ something that’s not valid?

I think there’s a discussion up above: the D’s don’t really have to do anything, since at least one business, payroll company, or landlord somewhere is looking at this fucked up not-law that’s in direct contradiction to current actual tax law and established contracts and sue.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:20:09am

It’s another day ending in “y,” so we watch as the WH totally flubs the messaging while the media tries to give them credit for “trying.”

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:25:10am

Seriously, the WH sent out Kudlow who babbled on State of the Disunion about how the states are totally gonna give folks more money than before thanks to this EO, Mnuchin to Faux to tell Chris Wallace that the payroll tax “holiday” only counts if Trump wins reelection, and Navarro to Press the Meat to spin EOs as something ordained by “God.”

FFS, they fuckers couldn’t organize an orgy in a brothel.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:25:34am

re: #129 jaunte

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The Lord and Founding Fathers decided we needed a king!

The same Shithead Navarro who blasted Obama’s “Illegal outreach”.

By the way did Chuck U even challenge him on Press The Meat?

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:28:40am

re: #133 🌹UOJB!

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:28:56am

re: #127 The Pie Overlord!

THREAD

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With yesterday’s actions, Donald Trump has reached the “Enabling Acts of 1933” stage of his presidency.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:31:18am

Chuck Todd demonstrating why he got demoted.

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:34:16am

Circa 1935 Iver Johnson Bicycle Wrench

Today’s Tool: Iver Johnson, spoon end bike wrench from 1930’s

Found this in my late father in laws tools. It was covered with grease and light surface oxidation
& frozen adjustment

Non magnetic, early stainless steel (remember it’s stainLESS not stainPROOF steel)

I’ve been slowly cleaning it worry bead style the past few weeks, where I pick it up and spend a few minutes at a time cleaning with 1200 grit wet sandpaper, 0000 stainless steel and rags.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:36:08am

re: #136 jaunte

Chuck Todd demonstrating why he got demoted.

And he’s about as useful as the White House Press Corps. Essentially enabling complete BS since he never challenges it.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:36:26am

re: #134 jaunte

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Pure “look what you made me do!” DARVO horseshit.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:40:09am

re: #134 jaunte

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Why even ask if Chuck U would do his job since every fucking time that incompetent stenographer winds up kissing Republican ass in a way Tim Russert only fantasized…

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:40:16am

At least CNN gets it right:

CNN finds its spine
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BigPapa  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:41:14am

Chuck the Meat is a White House propaganda outlet with the patina of journalism represented by occasional attempts at challenge. But it’s pretty much a shit show.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:41:22am

re: #137 So Cal Greek Hippie

[Embedded content]

Today’s Tool: Iver Johnson, spoon end bike wrench from 1930’s

Found this in my late father in laws tools. It was covered with grease and light surface oxidation
& frozen adjustment

Non magnetic, early stainless steel (remember it’s stainLESS not stainPROOF steel)

I’ve been slowly cleaning it worry bead style the past few weeks, where I pick it up and spend a few minutes at a time cleaning with 1200 grit wet sandpaper, 0000 stainless steel and rags.

If you hear some rattling about in your garage tonight, that’s just wrenchwench.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:52:04am
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:52:50am
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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:54:54am

re: #141 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!

At least CNN gets it right:

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For one, it’s not lawmaking, because the power to make laws is entirely within the purview of Congress, so sayeth the Constitution. Executive orders do not have the power of law, so sayeth the courts. So let’s dropkick that bullshit right into the sun, CNN.

And two, they need to drop this “will pan out” horseshit. These pieces of paper are worthless because they (like the “negotiations” they followed) are all part of a bad-faith initiative by the WH to undermine Dems economic message. Even the one EO in the set (as opposed to the 3 “memorandums”) does little but asks the Treasury and HUD to find money in the couch cushions to prevent folks in federally-backed rentals from being evicted. Please CNN, PLEASE stop acting as though Trump does anything for any reason other than his own enrichment.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:56:45am

re: #145 The Pie Overlord!

There’s a broken clock that’s right twice a day, and then there’s Larry Kudlow.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:57:54am

This is why I gave up on the CCCP and I get my news from outside the US—BBC, CBC, CTV, The Guardian and The Economist.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:57:55am

fuck this guy sideways with a large farm implement.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2020 • 8:59:16am

re: #143 Decatur Deb

If you hear some rattling about in your garage tonight, that’s just wrenchwench.

I’m very quiet.

That’s a nice wrench.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:00:22am

re: #143 Decatur Deb

If you hear some rattling about in your garage tonight, that’s just wrenchwench.

I’m gonna need bigger traps.

//

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:00:37am

re: #150 wrenchwench

I’m very quiet.

That’s a nice wrench.

A Precious…

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:01:25am

re: #149 The Pie Overlord!

fuck this guy sideways with a large farm implement.

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I’ve had it with these anti-masker assholes.

If they don’t want to follow the rules shun them.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:03:25am

re: #149 The Pie Overlord!

These types sure are vocal.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:03:30am

re: #151 Targetpractice

I’m gonna need bigger traps.

//

Bait ‘em with peanut butter Oreos. Or a nice, clean, chain tool.

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BigPapa  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:04:52am

re: #154 jaunte

These types sure are vocal.

And they *always* make more money than everybody else.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:06:32am

re: #145 The Pie Overlord!

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The story of the Trump era: A bunch of fuckers who couldn’t shoot straight who aided and abetted by a media who has all the moral scruples of P.T. Barnum selling tickets to look at the freaks.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:06:46am

This is what the rest of the world is reporting while our DC Press Corpse continues to kiss Trump’s ass and recite Republican talking points:

ctvnews.ca

‘Don’t they care?’: Europeans astonished as U.S. hits 5 million cases

“Don’t they care about their health?” a mask-clad Patrizia Antonini asked about people in the United States as she walked with friends along the banks of Lake Bracciano, north of Rome. “They need to take our precautions. … They need a real lockdown.”

No, Patrizia. They don’t care about their health because they done got Jesus!

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:06:54am

re: #156 BigPapa

“Are you the law? Are you the law? Are you the law? Tell me do you even know the law?”
— Unmasked and successfully driving for GrubHub

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danarchy  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:07:04am

re: #149 The Pie Overlord!

fuck this guy sideways with a large farm implement.

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If you are a libertarian who has the opinion that the state has no right to mandate you wear a mask during a pandemic, shouldn’t you also believe that a private business has the right to set whatever entry requirements that they want whenever they want if you are being philosophically consistent?

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:07:48am

I’m just glad he isn’t working for a senior living center.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:07:53am

re: #160 danarchy

If you are a libertarian who has the opinion that the state has no right to mandate you wear a mask during a pandemic, shouldn’t you also believe that a private business has the right to set whatever entry requirements that they want whenever they want if you are being philosophically consistent?

No because when it comes to Libertarians it’a all about ME and fuck everyone else!

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:08:25am
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stpaulbear  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:09:25am

re: #136 jaunte

Chuck Todd demonstrating why he got demoted.

Even Chuck Todd admits that it’s never been Chuck Todd’s job to do Chuck Todd’s job.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:10:42am

re: #163 wrenchwench

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“We could just close down schools until this all ends…”

“NO! DEAR LEADER WANTS KIDS IN SCHOOLS! NO MATTER HOW COMPLICATED IT BECOMES, HIS WILL SHALL WE DONE!”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:12:27am

re: #160 danarchy

If you are a libertarian who has the opinion that the state has no right to mandate you wear a mask during a pandemic, shouldn’t you also believe that a private business has the right to set whatever entry requirements that they want whenever they want if you are being philosophically consistent?

What have you the idea that any glibertabrian is philosophically consistent?

Fuck you, I’ve got mine.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:12:45am

re: #162 🌹UOJB!

No because when it comes to Libertarians it’a all about ME and fuck everyone else!

GMTA

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:13:08am

re: #165 Targetpractice

Practically every school in PA is going virtual.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:13:22am

re: #165 Targetpractice

“We could just close down schools until this all ends…”

“NO! DEAR LEADER WANTS KIDS IN SCHOOLS! NO MATTER HOW COMPLICATED IT BECOMES, HIS WILL SHALL WE DONE!”

It cost me several pieces of silver, but an honest fortune teller told me September is going to be a bad month to be a Republican.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:13:50am
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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:14:16am

re: #169 Decatur Deb

It cost me several pieces of silver, but an honest fortune teller told me September is going to be a bad month to be a Republican.

I don’t think it’s been a “good” month to be a Republican since November 2016.

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stpaulbear  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:14:43am

re: #149 The Pie Overlord!

Fifty Shades of Whey
@davenewworld_2
Anti-masker in North Carolina drives for Grubhub & handles food without a mask

Not for much longer is he driving for Grubhub…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:17:23am

re: #170 wrenchwench

Black Mammalogists Week, Sept 13-18!

That’s a little finely-diced. but I don’t give a crap as long as they GET OUT THE VOTE.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:18:48am

DSA members posting that there is a move to put Kanye West on the California ballot as the Peace & Freedom candidate…

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mmmirele  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:24:49am

re: #109 jaunte

“…As the White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows is responsible for coordinating the vast executive branch, including its coronavirus response. But in closed-door meetings, he has revealed his skepticism of the two physicians guiding the anti-pandemic effort, Deborah Birx and Anthony S. Fauci, routinely questioning their expertise, according to senior administration officials and other people briefed on the internal discussions.

Meadows no longer holds a daily 8 a.m. meeting that includes health professionals to discuss the raging pandemic. Instead, aides said, he huddles in the mornings with a half-dozen politically oriented aides — and when the virus comes up, their focus is more on how to convince the public that President Trump has the crisis under control, rather than on methodically planning ways to contain it.”
washingtonpost.com

Can I just remind everyone that Mark Meadows was involved in one of the most remarkable and underplayed stories of recent times? Basically, it shows that Meadows is a young earth creationist aligned with Answers in Genesis. From 2019:

Three years ago, the North Carolina congressman Mark Meadows sold a hundred-and-thirty-four-acre property in Dinosaur, Colorado. The buyer was Answers in Genesis, a Christian nonprofit based in Kentucky, which was founded by the Australian creationist Ken Ham. Answers in Genesis is dedicated to promoting young-Earth creationism, which holds that the Earth was created in six days, several thousand years ago. According to documents related to the sale, Meadows was to be paid about two hundred thousand dollars for the property, in monthly installments, the last of which was paid last year.

Neither the sale nor any such payments are noted on Meadows’s congressional financial disclosures, which he is required by law to file annually. Meadows is a founding member of the very conservative House Freedom Caucus and is one of the more prominent members of Congress; last year, Donald Trump reportedly considered making him the White House chief of staff. Why didn’t Meadows disclose the property or the sale? The congressman declined to comment for this story. In August, the Charlotte Observer reported that Meadows—who, before becoming a congressman, was a successful real-estate developer—owned land in northeastern North Carolina that he had also failed to list on his disclosure reports. It’s possible that these nondisclosures reflect a pattern of ignoring congressional reporting rules.

newyorker.com

I’d note this whole business with the dinosaur was an enormous amount of friction within the young earth creationist community and I knew about this WAY before I knew about Meadows’ involvement. But the example here is to show what kind of stupidity we have advising Trump.

We are doomed.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:25:34am

In a competent administration, the messaging on these “EOs” would been the “doomsday button” that was constantly on the table. A daily drumbeat during any negotiations about how if they didn’t get a bill together before the deadline of the last one, they’d sign off on the EOs and take their chances with the courts.

But we don’t have a competent administration, so what we have instead is half-assed “negotiations” that were made in obvious bad-faith by a wannabe dictator who only brought up EOs when it became clear that Pelosi was getting the upper-hand in news coverage.

The former admin might have gotten flak for the EOs, but could have made a case that they did everything within their power to avoid such. The latter looks like they always look: A bunch of sore losers led by a baby throwing a temper tantrum.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:26:29am
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:26:48am

re: #176 Targetpractice

A bunch of sore losers led by a baby throwing a temper tantrum.

You hit the nail squarely on the head.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:28:10am

There is no limit where MAGATS will go to…

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:28:35am

re: #125 The Pie Overlord!

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:29:21am

re: #180 Belafon

lol

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:30:19am

re: #180 Belafon

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YOU OWE ME A NEW MONITOR!!!

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:31:23am

re: #174 🌹UOJB!

DSA members posting that there is a move to put Kanye West on the California ballot as the Peace & Freedom candidate…

Isn’t that supposed to be “Peace, Love, Freedom, Happiness”?

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:31:57am

re: #180 Belafon

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retired cynic  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:32:34am

re: #184 🌹UOJB!

Unfair to Marty Feldman!

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:32:35am

re: #174 🌹UOJB!

DSA members posting that there is a move to put Kanye West on the California ballot as the Peace & Freedom candidate…

IOW, the DSA is deliberately attempting to sabotage the Dems out of pure spite.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:33:41am

re: #186 Targetpractice

IOW, the DSA is deliberately attempting to sabotage the Dems out of pure spite.

As a reminder in 2016 the Los Angeles DSA chapter endorsed and worked for Jill Stein.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:35:50am

re: #187 🌹UOJB!

As a reminder in 2016 the Los Angeles DSA chapter endorsed and worked for Jill Stein.

Weren’t they just bitching the other day that if Biden wanted their support, he had to pick Nina Turner for his VP?

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danarchy  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:38:37am

re: #186 Targetpractice

IOW, the DSA is deliberately attempting to sabotage the Dems out of pure spite.

Joe Biden is up 39 points in California. I don’t think there is anything anyone can do to sabotage that state.

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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:39:52am

re: #189 Targetpractice

Weren’t they just bitching the other day that if Biden wanted their support, he had to pick Nina Turner for his VP?

Yes.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:40:08am

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retired cynic  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:43:05am

Another WaPo deep dive: TikTok’s fate was shaped by a ‘knockdown, drag-out’ Oval Office brawl

Trump’s habit of agreeing with whoever talked to him last has created a real mess of a roller coaster

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:43:29am

Another anti mask idiot.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:46:28am

re: #192 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:48:00am
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TarHellion  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:51:39am

Felt the first earthquake in my 50-plus years this morning. The strongest one in North Carolina since 1916. Shook the house a bit but no damage. According to USGS it was a 5.1 located near Sparta at the NC-VA border. It registered 3.5 here about 50 miles south of the epicenter.

After a week of torrential storms, including one that took down trees and destroyed two of my friend’s cars, I’m betting on locusts next week.

earthquake.usgs.gov

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:51:40am

Part of a statement from Susan Collins regarding the pieces of paper Trump signed yesterday.

“I hope the President’s actions will prompt Democratic leaders to negotiate seriously to reach a much-needed agreement to help struggling families, seniors, schools, businesses, municipalities & the USPS with this persistent pandemic. Three times, Senate Democratic leaders blocked extending extra unemployment benefits to prevent their expiration during the negotiations.

Republicans have no integrity. Republicans have no empathy. Republicans have no shame. They demonstrate this every single day. Yet they suffer no consequences because the press provides cover for their malfeasance.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:56:07am

re: #198 Teddy’s Person

Part of a statement from Susan Collins regarding the pieces of paper Trump signed yesterday.

Republicans have no integrity. Republicans have no empathy. Republicans have no shame. They demonstrate this every single day. Yet they suffer no consequences because the press provides cover for their malfeasance.

And now the historical revisionism begins: “Trump only did this because Dems were blocking his efforts to help Americans!”

Meanwhile, in the real world, it’s Meadows that slammed the table and walked away from negotiations. And it’s Senate Repubs who, knowing that there is a very real need to help out their constituents this month, chose to instead clock out and leave for the month instead of postponing their recess until an agreement was reached.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Aug 9, 2020 • 9:58:41am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:00:13am

re: #199 Targetpractice

And now the historical revisionism begins: “Trump only did this because Dems were blocking his efforts to help Americans!”

Meanwhile, in the real world, it’s Meadows that slammed the table and walked away from negotiations. And it’s Senate Repubs who, knowing that there is a very real need to help out their constituents this month, chose to instead clock out and leave for the month instead of postponing their recess until an agreement was reached.

Again, I point out the House passed a relief measure in MAY. The GOP had more than two months to get their shit together and get something done without any hiccup in benefits and all they did was sit on their asses.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:04:46am

re: #201 Eclectic Cyborg

Again, I point out the House passed a relief measure in MAY. The GOP had more than two months to get their shit together and get something done without any hiccup in benefits and all they did was sit on their asses.

Mitch made clear what the play by the Repubs is on this days ago when he said that he’d agree to a UEI extension if the WH signed off on it. The Senate Repubs have chosen to act as though the HEROES Act bill doesn’t exist, that any bill has to come from negotiations between the WH and Dem leaders, and it’s the Dems who are holding things up purely for political reasons.

This bit right here is what is really carrying all the weight:

Three times, Senate Democratic leaders blocked extending extra unemployment benefits to prevent their expiration during the negotiations.

“We offered them crumbs three times and three times they rejected it! They’re not taking this seriously!!!”

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:07:00am

I couldn’t resist.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:09:24am

As is generally always the case, the Repubs have better message discipline than the WH does. They’re basically asking people to forget all the headlines about how the WH first said no UEI extension, then said an extension but only for $200/wk, then they offered a “compromise” of $400/wk. And instead believe that the WH offered 3 times to extend the existing UEI expansion and Dems rejected such just to hurt Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:09:53am

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

No part of that comment conveys the tiniest bit of information . Somehow that makes me ….content.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:12:58am

re: #205 Decatur Deb

No part of that comment conveys the tiniest bit of information . Somehow that makes me ….content.

WAP stands for “wet ass pussy.” The lyrics comport tightly with that theme.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:15:31am

re: #194 Patricia Kayden

Another anti mask idiot.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:18:54am

The walk-back begins:

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:21:48am
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:22:16am
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🌹UOJB!  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:24:14am

re: #207 The Pie Overlord!

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Let Darwin have his way with these anti-Masker assholes.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:24:48am
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BigPapa  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:28:36am

re: #206 goddamnedfrank

WAP stands for “wet ass pussy.” The lyrics comport tightly with that theme.

I’m a nerd: I thought it mean Wireless Access Point.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:32:40am
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So Cal Greek Hippie  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:36:45am

re: #150 wrenchwench

Thanks. I loved it as soon as I saw it. That said if you show up in person I will a) hand it to you as gift and b) admire your detective chops 😎

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:37:23am

re: #83 Decatur Deb

Assuming it’s totally accurate, why did the NYT have to go to Belgium for the story? At most they would have to cross the Hudson for a nursing home horrorshow.

Must have been the beer.

My brother, the devout Trumpster, blames Cuomo and de Blasio for the entire disaster out East — especially what happened in the nursing homes there. He won’t listen to the fact that it was the federal government who traditionally manages disasters like this and who should have been providing guidance on what measures the states should adopt. The individual states were left to fend for themselves. This article demonstrates that it wasn’t just the US who faced this problem: Belgium too had fractured government that did not speak with a single voice at the national level to address this crisis.

If the US had not abandoned its worldwide leadership role, we might have had experts here who advised not only us, but the rest of the world on the steps that should have been taken.

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Interesting Times  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:44:59am

re: #216 Hecuba’s daughter

My brother, the devout Trumpster, blames Cuomo and de Blasio for the entire disaster out East

How does he explain what’s happening in TX now?

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:47:32am

re: #213 BigPapa

I’m a nerd: I thought it mean Wireless Access Point.

Well, it’s definitely some kind of access point.

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BigPapa  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:50:06am

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

Well, it’s definitely some kind of access point.

It is indeed an access point.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:50:28am

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

Well, it’s definitely some kind of access point.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:50:45am

When I saw WAP on the stereo in my truck yesterday, I immediately knew what it meant. I have one dirty mind, I guess.

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2020 • 10:58:07am

re: #213 BigPapa

I’m a nerd: I thought it mean Wireless Access Point.

Well, sorta.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 9, 2020 • 11:07:49am

re: #217 Interesting Times

How does he explain what’s happening in TX now?

He’s been cutting conversations short — and until Texas deaths reach the level of deaths in Illinois or out East, he will find convenient scapegoats. And as long as it’s communities of color that are hard hit, he will probably blame them for bad health outcomes. Trump speaks and he believes — except he always took the virus seriously.

Years ago — maybe even during the Bush 43 administration — when we were discussing high infant and maternal mortality in this nation, our brother dismissed it because he claimed that it was only among minorities that rates were disgracefully high — like the typical member of the GOP base (and many in the Bernie contingent), it’s only white health and economic statistics that matter.


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