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Decatur Deb  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:40:26am

GOTV or someone will get it out for you.

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Belafon  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:42:01am

Anne called Chris the Mad Bitcher:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:42:31am

God often chooses imperfect vessels to implement His Divine Will on Earth, and what vessel could be more imperfect than Donald Trump?

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:44:08am

How holy is Donald Trump?

Ask the thousands of Republican Pulpit Pimps who love Trump unconditionally for packing the courts with every possible right wing asshole.

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:44:38am

re: #2 Belafon

Why is Trump insisting, unprompted, that he hasn’t had “mini-strokes”?

[stage whisper] because he had mini-strokes [/stage whisper]

That’s the most obvious answer. Especially given Trump’s history of protesting too much. The guy can’t help himself

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:45:18am

re: #5 KGxvi

[stage whisper] because he had mini-strokes [/stage whisper]

That’s the most obvious answer. Especially given Trump’s history of protesting too much. The guy can’t help himself

“I didn’t do it and stop talking about my mother!”

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Belafon  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:45:50am

re: #5 KGxvi

[stage whisper] because he had mini-strokes [/stage whisper]

That’s the most obvious answer. Especially given Trump’s history of protesting too much. The guy can’t help himself

Definitely. Sometimes you throw the question up to get other people to try to come up with the right answer.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:47:44am

re: #2 Belafon

I’m glad to see someone caught that unintentional flub by Trump - he said he didn’t have a “mini-stroke”…..only problem is, no one in the media said he’d had one.

He inadvertently confessed that he almost certainly did have a mini-stroke.

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piratedan  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:48:13am

re: #2 Belafon

what bothers me the most is that this is a stone cold confirmation that we have a President who is more concerned about what is being said about him on Twitter than he is in actually running the country. The claim (and evidence of) is kind of secondary to me, considering his speech, his grasp of science/concepts and the evidence we see with our own eyes… but to have POTUS have his entire focus being driven by tweets means that he’s ripe for disinformation, manipulation and essentially being baited by any one who happens to get into his feed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:49:37am

re: #5 KGxvi

[stage whisper] because he had mini-strokes [/stage whisper]

That’s the most obvious answer. Especially given Trump’s history of protesting too much. The guy can’t help himself

That, and he’s fucking paranoid beyond belief.

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Belafon  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:50:10am

re: #9 piratedan

what bothers me the most is that this is a stone cold confirmation that we have a President who is more concerned about what is being said about him on Twitter than he is in actually running the country. The claim (and evidence of) is kind of secondary to me, considering his speech, his grasp of science/concepts and the evidence we see with our own eyes… but to have POTUS have his entire focus being driven by tweets means that he’s ripe for disinformation, manipulation and essentially being baited by any one who happens to get into his feed.

I remember someone in 2016 saying exactly that about Trump.

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piratedan  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:52:08am

re: #11 Belafon

perhaps if she had put it into an e-mail, the Press would have paid attention…..

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:52:27am
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lawhawk  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:54:24am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:55:01am

re: #13 jaunte

Biden needs at least 5 percentage point victory. That’s the minimum.

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:55:41am

re: #13 jaunte

The electoral college needs to go. The fact that two of the last five elections have gone to the person who did not win the popular vote should be enough to get the ball rolling on an amendment.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:57:06am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:58:33am

re: #16 KGxvi

The electoral college needs to go. The fact that two of the last five elections have gone to the person who did not win the popular vote should be enough to get the ball rolling on an amendment.

not as long as the EC continues to favor the GOP

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 2, 2020 • 10:59:49am

re: #17 The Pie Overlord!

Biden says he’s preparing for the debate by going over everything the President has said and the lies he’s told. He goes on to say it would be great to have fact check ticker at the bottom of the screen

He needs to practice by visiting the primate house at the Washington Zoo and flinging poo back and forth with the inhabitants.

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:02:42am

re: #18 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not as long as the EC continues to favor the GOP

So then, once Texas is truly in play?

The thing is, doing away with the EC might actually help Republicans. How many Republican voters in California and New York (or pick any other solidly blue state) stay home on election day because they know their vote isn’t going to have any value under the current system? There’s probably a lot more “lost” Republican votes (because more big states are solidly blue) than there are “lost” Democratic votes in smaller states.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:04:01am

re: #14 lawhawk

Nah. They’ll be buried with their Harley’s.

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Belafon  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:04:06am

re: #16 KGxvi

The electoral college needs to go. The fact that two of the last five elections have gone to the person who did not win the popular vote should be enough to get the ball rolling on an amendment.

All except for the 45% of people who prefer winning without a majority.

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Belafon  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:05:20am

re: #17 The Pie Overlord!

[Embedded content]

It would scroll by too fast to keep up.

That does seem like a great machine learning exercise: Can you build a computer that could keep up with a Gish Gallop.

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Belafon  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:06:04am

re: #20 KGxvi

So then, once Texas is truly in play?

The thing is, doing away with the EC might actually help Republicans. How many Republican voters in California and New York (or pick any other solidly blue state) stay home on election day because they know their vote isn’t going to have any value under the current system? There’s probably a lot more “lost” Republican votes (because more big states are solidly blue) than there are “lost” Democratic votes in smaller states.

It would. And I think it would help rural people get heard more about their actual concerns.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:06:33am

re: #20 KGxvi

So then, once Texas is truly in play?

The thing is, doing away with the EC might actually help Republicans. How many Republican voters in California and New York (or pick any other solidly blue state) stay home on election day because they know their vote isn’t going to have any value under the current system? There’s probably a lot more “lost” Republican votes (because more big states are solidly blue) than there are “lost” Democratic votes in smaller states.

That seems rather unlikely. Or at least, not enough to swing an election.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:08:12am

re: #20 KGxvi

So then, once Texas is truly in play?

The thing is, doing away with the EC might actually help Republicans. How many Republican voters in California and New York (or pick any other solidly blue state) stay home on election day because they know their vote isn’t going to have any value under the current system? There’s probably a lot more “lost” Republican votes (because more big states are solidly blue) than there are “lost” Democratic votes in smaller states.

I would even support keeping the EC but only if it is reformed to

a) represent each state’s share of population and not its share of Congress,

and

b) kick in only if no single candidate gains a clear popular vote majority.

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dangerman  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:09:01am

re: #17 The Pie Overlord!

[Embedded content]

No need
Trump’s talking, he’s lying

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:09:29am

re: #20 KGxvi

So then, once Texas is truly in play?

The thing is, doing away with the EC might actually help Republicans. How many Republican voters in California and New York (or pick any other solidly blue state) stay home on election day because they know their vote isn’t going to have any value under the current system? There’s probably a lot more “lost” Republican votes (because more big states are solidly blue) than there are “lost” Democratic votes in smaller states.

When and if Texas goes blue, the GOP will be the first ones proposing a constitutional amendment to do away with the EC.

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dangerman  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:10:04am

re: #19 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He needs to practice by visiting the primate house at the Washington Zoo and flinging poo back and forth with the inhabitants.

He’s gotta be thrilled he won’t have to shake trump’s hand

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:10:29am

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would even support keeping the EC but only if it is reformed to

a) represent each state’s share of population and not its share of Congress,

and

b) kick in only if no single candidate gains a clear popular vote majority.

This would more or less ensure Democratic Presidents for a good long while…so no way the GOP would be on board.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:12:35am

re: #206 KGxvi

Which is why nobody in the industry will likely be willing to go along with Trump rushing it. At least, if they were smart.

I’m thinking of the lawsuits against the companies that produced an untested vaccine. That should be a real disincentive to being part of a DT scam.

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:13:42am

re: #31 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I wonder how many NDAs are flying around to be signed as we speak.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:15:17am

re: #31 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I’m thinking of the lawsuits against the companies that produced an untested vaccine. That should be a real disincentive to being part of a DT scam.

That’s why McConnell’s second stimulus design insisted on liability limitation. They think this stuff through.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:17:36am
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jaunte  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:18:27am

Has Chris Cillizza analyzed this?

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lawhawk  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:20:28am

re: #35 jaunte

It’s Hillary’s fault (she lost).

They said that if we voted for Hillary, we’d have a sociopath in the WH who’d fleece taxpayers and break the law daily.

They said that if we voted for Hillary, we’d have a corrupt admin that puts their profits above all else. They were right.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:21:01am

re: #35 jaunte

The president of the United States said shooting an unarmed Black person is like missing a 3-foot putt and the political press moved on after five minutes.

He framed is as “sometimes you choke” when the issue is systematic abuse and excessive use of force

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:22:45am

re: #33 Decatur Deb

That’s why McConnell’s second stimulus design insisted on liability limitation. They think this stuff through.

His shield is for businesses that follow public health guidelines, which doesn’t apprer to cover vaccine production (and hasn’t been passed). In any case, I don’t believe drug companies can shelter themselves against all state liability. Not without one hell of a fight.

Also, any large-scale problem would ruin the reputation of the company that participated in it.

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bratwurst  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:23:13am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:23:20am

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would even support keeping the EC but only if it is reformed to

a) represent each state’s share of population and not its share of Congress,

and

b) kick in only if no single candidate gains a clear popular vote majority.

That can lead to the same problems we have today. Think of Florida which disenfranchised one million ex-felons; it’s a variation on the Jim Crow days where people count as part of the population but their voices aren’t heard. Anything other than one person, one vote leads to a situation where a candidate wins the popular vote in a state because others are not permitted to cast a vote, but those silent citizens are counted toward the state’s electoral votes.

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Belafon  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:23:21am

re: #34 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I went and looked it up. It actually happened in 2015.

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ericblair  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:24:09am

This will be bad for Putin internally. Not because he (or parts of his oligarchy supposedly under his control) poisoned a troublesome opponent. Because he fucked it all up, again.

C’est pire qu’un crime, c’est une faute (It is worse than a crime, it is a mistake).
- Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:24:26am

My favorite smart-ass Canadian film reviewer posted a new review. So take a sanity break.

Brandon’s Cult Movie Reviews: TAMMY AND THE T-REX

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:25:04am

re: #39 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

Adam Carolla is such a dick.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:25:34am

WTAFITFS
Q-themed family photos.

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:25:34am

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would even support keeping the EC but only if it is reformed to

a) represent each state’s share of population and not its share of Congress,

and

b) kick in only if no single candidate gains a clear popular vote majority.

The EC has outlived its usefulness and doesn’t fit with modern notions of popular sovereignty. It is a creation of a system where people thought of the States as some separate entity from the people. And through out our history we have moved away from that notion - the popular election of senators, the concept of one person one vote, the entire underpinnings of the 14th Amendment, even the law binding electors to the popular vote outcomes. That last bit is important, it was created with the idea that electors would exercise their independent judgment. It is no longer a situation where we are essentially electing representatives (or the legislatures are appointing them) to pick the president. If we, the voters, have taken the mantle of electing the president, then it should be a direct, national election.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:26:08am

re: #34 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

It’s not like they had much choice in the matter.

Let me in or Tokyo burns…

…again.

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:26:17am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:26:25am

re: #38 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

His shield is for businesses that follow public health guidelines, which doesn’t apprer to cover vaccine production (and hasn’t been passed). In any case, I don’t believe drug companies can shelter themselves against all state liability. Not without one hell of a fight.

Also, any large-scale problem would ruin the reputation of the company that participated in it.

It looks like public health guidelines can be produced from CDC, NIH, and FDA with the twist of a testicle.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:26:30am

re: #41 Belafon

I went and looked it up. It actually happened in 2015.

probably when they got the 2020 Olympics

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:26:38am
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JC1  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:26:40am

re: #31 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I’m thinking of the lawsuits against the companies that produced an untested vaccine. That should be a real disincentive to being part of a DT scam.

In general, vaccine manufacturers are indemnified from lawsuits. There’s a federal fund that pays out vaccine settlements, though I’m pretty sure that this only applies to FDA approved vaccines.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:27:29am
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stpaulbear  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:30:44am

re: #27 dangerman

I’m trying to watch replays of Biden’s press conference and I’m feeling conspiratorial. I’ve tried three sources - the feed that’s up on Balloon Juice, the MSN video, and a Washington Post video. At all three of them, I can’t get more than a few seconds in before I get the spinning wheel of death and the video never starts up again. I tried some non-Biden videos and they’re playing fine. I’m feeling like a denial of service op might be underway, and I feel sick that I think this might be happening.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:31:06am

re: #46 KGxvi

The EC has outlived its usefulness and doesn’t fit with modern notions of popular sovereignty. It is a creation of a system where people thought of the States as some separate entity from the people.

The other option then is a runoff election in the event that no candidate gets a majority.

Are we ready for a system like that?

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:32:18am

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The other option then is a runoff election in the event that no candidate gets a majority.

Are we ready for a system like that?

Why do we need a run off?

Plenty of elections across the country end with nobody winning a majority. Hell, even in presidential elections today, electors are awarded based on pluralities.

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lawhawk  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:32:27am
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Sinistershade  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:35:14am

re: #8 Dr Lizardo

I’m glad to see someone caught that unintentional flub by Trump - he said he didn’t have a “mini-stroke”…..only problem is, no one in the media said he’d had one.

He inadvertently confessed that he almost certainly did have a mini-stroke.

Howard Simons : Did you call the White House press office?

Bob Woodward : I went over there; I talked to them. They said Hunt hadn’t worked there for three months. Then a PR guy said this weird thing to me. He said, “I am convinced that neither Mr. Colson nor anyone else at the White House had any knowledge of, or participation in, this deplorable incident at the Democratic National Committee.”

Howard Simons : Isn’t that what you expect them to say?

Bob Woodward : Absolutely.

Howard Simons : So?

Bob Woodward : I never asked about Watergate. I simply asked what were Hunt’s duties at the White House. They volunteered he was innocent when nobody asked if he was guilty.

Howard Simons : Be careful how you write it.

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:35:27am

re: #56 KGxvi

13 states in 2016 had winners by plurality in the presidential election.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:36:22am

re: #57 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

I don’t think it’s inconceivable to suggest Biden can win by more than Obama did. I’ll liken Biden to Northam here in Va. He’s not the most liberal guy in the party but he has broad appeal that could lead to a big win. Difference is Joe will get a Democratic majority to work with immediately as opposed to having to wait.

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stpaulbear  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:36:48am

re: #54 stpaulbear

I knew I shouldn’t have posted #54. The feed at Balloon Juice is working fine now.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:37:51am

re: #61 stpaulbear

I knew I shouldn’t have posted #54. The feed at Balloon Juice is working fine now.

You wanna hear from the hamster shop steward?

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:39:09am

re: #52 JC1

In general, vaccine manufacturers are indemnified from lawsuits. There’s a federal fund that pays out vaccine settlements, though I’m pretty sure that this only applies to FDA approved vaccines.

Passing out an untested vaccine could also result in criminal liability. In state courts.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 2, 2020 • 11:44:55am

re: #57 lawhawk

The problem though goes beyond the size of the EC to the very purpose of the EC. It was designed to empower states whose white voters enslaved blacks. The entire purpose and rationale was to compromise on the issue of slavery (3/5ths). The only way to truly address is end EC.

Not true. All the states with small populations (e.g. RI, NH, etc., who considered themselves nations) wanted it to protect themselves from being buried by the larger states, irrespective of whether they were slave states or not.

The 3/5 rule was a different thing, and did have the purpose of adding population to slave states.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 2, 2020 • 12:06:01pm

re: #39 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

I can’t believe I used to listen to that douchebag’s podcast years ago. He hasn’t changed. It was kind of a funny schtick but now it’s just stupid and cruel.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 2, 2020 • 12:13:33pm

re: #65 Barefoot Grin

I can’t believe I used to listen to that douchebag’s podcast years ago. He hasn’t changed. It was kind of a funny schtick but now it’s just stupid and cruel.

I used to listen to Loveline all the time with him and Dr. Drew. Knew he had a libertarian/rw lean but didn’t realize he was such a dick.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 2, 2020 • 1:01:33pm

re: #16 KGxvi

The electoral college needs to go. The fact that two of the last five elections have gone to the person who did not win the popular vote should be enough to get the ball rolling on an amendment.

The only way the Electoral College goes is if a Republican candidate loses by it. Then suddenly we’ll be “a democracy, not a republic.”

That and the problem of low-population states not wanting to give up their power in the Senate. Start counting both liberal and conservative states which would come out against such an amendment, and when you reach thirteen, you’re done.

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sagehen  Sep 2, 2020 • 1:05:58pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The only way the Electoral College goes is if a Republican candidate loses by it. Then suddenly we’ll be “a democracy, not a republic.”

That and the problem of low-population states not wanting to give up their power in the Senate. Start counting both liberal and conservative states which would come out against such an amendment, and when you reach thirteen, you’re done.

Maybe some of our liberal billionaires can subsidize relocating a bunch of liberals to sparsely-populated midwestern states…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 2, 2020 • 2:24:13pm

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The other option then is a runoff election in the event that no candidate gets a majority.

Are we ready for a system like that?

Maine is, with its instant runoff system (ranked-choice voting). That system polls well wherever the question is asked.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 2, 2020 • 2:28:22pm

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