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BigPapa  Sep 9, 2020 • 8:39:42pm

Need some Ghost Note now. Sounds like studio they so good.

And.. ya know.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 9, 2020 • 8:44:26pm
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plansbandc  Sep 9, 2020 • 8:48:05pm

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 9, 2020 • 8:57:10pm
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mmmirele  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:06:30pm

I posted about Trump’s fundraising woes a few days back and noted the Trump campaign had not released its August numbers. Well, there’s a reason for that.

Those numbers *sucked*. Trump raised $210 million to Biden’s $365 million.

This on top of Trump burning through $800 million, pulling back on TV commercials and other campaign actions makes me think they don’t have a whole lot of money sitting around.

In their respective announcements, neither side said how much cash it has on hand for the election’s stretch run. We’ll get more details on Sept. 20, which is the next filing deadline for Federal Election Commission reports.

npr.org

I can tell you that the Biden campaign is texting me at least twice a day and I got two calls on my land line from the Biden Victory Fund today, which I let roll to voicemail. They’ll get more money but not quite yet.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:06:39pm

Nebraska Governor Pete Ricketts (R-Ameritrade) reading the room in light of today’s news about Bob Woodward and Donald Trump.

Ricketts eases coronavirus restrictions for most of Nebraska (Omaha World-Herald, five minutes ago)

LINCOLN — Gov. Pete Ricketts announced steps Wednesday that should allow a return to near normal across most of Nebraska.

The governor said all counties, except Lancaster, will be in a Phase 4 directed health measure as of Monday. Twenty-seven were already in that phase.

That phase limits the size of indoor gatherings but drops all other state-imposed mandates, including restrictions on restaurants, bars, gyms, child care centers, salons, weddings and funerals. Those entities are encouraged to follow voluntary guidelines to reduce the risk of spreading coronavirus.

Locally imposed mask mandates in Omaha and Lincoln will remain in place, however. Both require people to wear face coverings in most indoor public spaces where they are not able to maintain 6 feet of social distance. There are several exceptions.

Ricketts did not elaborate about his reasons for the change at a press conference. His spokesman, Taylor Gage, pointed to the governor’s past comments about taking steps to slowing the spread of the coronavirus in order to keep enough hospital beds and ventilators available for those who need them.

(more)

Lancaster County is the county with the state capital (Lincoln).

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piratedan  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:07:47pm

sitting here at my keyboard trying to grasp all of the implications that have been dropped today…

firstly and kind of overlooked is that today the Counter Intelligence folks dropped word today that they have proof that not only did the Russians penetrate our electorial system, they can pinpoint two counties in Florida that were penetrated and that votes may have been actually altered. So, if they could have done that there… were other locations affected? Was the 2016 election actually compromised? Considering the margin of victory in certain states, it needs to be asked….

Now we come to the revelations that Trump knew exactly how bad the Corona-19 virus was, and his reactions/responses to it reveal his character more clearly than ever before. Certain voices in the media pass it off as if he didn’t understand or is too stupid to have known what was coming and the tapes reveal he knew very well what was coming.

His response in protecting what matters the most to him are equally revealing.. of utmost importance was his polling numbers and secondarily was in keeping the folks on Wall Street profitable… You and I are apparently outside of those calculations, and anything that doesn’t service him and his image is of no consequence.

What we need to know now, is based on Trump’s history, he has a damned difficult time keeping his trap shut about things that should not be talked about, so now I want to know that while he certainly is unworthy of being in office a single additional day, what about the rest of his administration? What about the GOP itself, who else knew? We already have an understanding that these guys would in no way consult with the Dems, on any fucking thing, certainly not in any act of potential bipartisanship, one they’ve long promoted themselves as not needing any help and their base would come unglued.

I think we already suspect how far the rot runs, but like most folks I want to know before I condemn, but if the GOP was just as complicit in this charade as the Administration and felt compelled to sacrifice your local doc, nurses, grocery shelf stockers as well as your kids and family for the sake of THIS guy, then if they end up on pikes I would shed nary a fucking tear.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:10:45pm

Friday is going to be hard for many people. We have to reconcile the 3,000 people who Died For Our Sins on 9/11, whom the Republicans will promote ad nauseum, AND the 200,000 who also died for our recent sins. The latter will be purposely forgotten.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:13:05pm

re: #7 piratedan

At this point I can see other countries opening investigations into the United States, and Donald Trump’s and the GOP’s response specifically.

They might be able to stonewall with Bill Barr in the DOJ, but they can’t stonewall other nations’ investigations into whether Trump or the GOP was engaged in a genocide.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:14:36pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

At this point I can see other countries opening investigations into the United States, and Donald Trump’s and the GOP’s response specifically.

They might be able to stonewall with Bill Barr in the DOJ, but they can’t stonewall other nations’ investigations into whether Trump or the GOP was engaged in a genocide.

Of course they can stonewall.

“We have denied visas to UN investigators.”

They’ve already done that.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:20:15pm

re: #5 mmmirele

I posted about Trump’s fundraising woes a few days back and noted the Trump campaign had not released its August numbers. Well, there’s a reason for that.

Those numbers *sucked*. Trump raised $210 million to Biden’s $365 million.

This on top of Trump burning through $800 million, pulling back on TV commercials and other campaign actions makes me think they don’t have a whole lot of money sitting around.

npr.org

I can tell you that the Biden campaign is texting me at least twice a day and I got two calls on my land line from the Biden Victory Fund today, which I let roll to voicemail. They’ll get more money but not quite yet.

And Sheldon Adleson has cut trump off. He’s pissed that trump has cost him billions in casino revenue.

Womp womp.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:22:10pm

re: #7 piratedan

firstly and kind of overlooked is that today the Counter Intelligence folks dropped word today that they have proof that not only did the Russians penetrate our electorial system, they can pinpoint two counties in Florida that were penetrated and that votes may have been actually altered. So, if they could have done that there… were other locations affected? Was the 2016 election actually compromised? Considering the margin of victory in certain states, it needs to be asked….

And how much is still in place? That system used in Florida is used around the nation.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:29:20pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:40:44pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:48:05pm

I’m dying. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

A Furry Convention.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:49:15pm

I kilt the thread. I kilt it good. 😢

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BigPapa  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:57:53pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 9, 2020 • 9:58:37pm

Lre: #15 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m dying. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Sparky Arpaio. He’s a bad boy who will hump your leg.

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BigPapa  Sep 9, 2020 • 10:01:54pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 9, 2020 • 10:03:46pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 9, 2020 • 10:06:34pm

re: #20 Dread Pirate Ron

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They’ve gone full Q.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 9, 2020 • 10:09:18pm

re: #21 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They’ve gone full Q.

They have been Q for awhile, just not openly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 9, 2020 • 10:14:20pm

re: #22 I Would Prefer Not To

They have been Q for awhile, just not openly.

Taylor-Greene in Congress. Man. We have a lot of work to do even if Biden wins big.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 9, 2020 • 10:16:38pm

Breaking extremely local news:

I FIXED MY WEATHER LIVE TILE IN THE START MENU

It only took me about eight months of searching for answers on the Web. It’s flipping again and showing the current weather forecast.

I must have gone through fifty computer blogs (all written in some foreign programmer’s language) plus Microsoft’s user blogs (where there are thousands of complaints about this problem but not one answer).

I finally ran across a blog tonight where the fellow describes the problem and how to fix it, with pictures and really small words.

askdavetaylor.com

Thanks, Dave.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 9, 2020 • 10:26:27pm

There’s always a tweet, as the kids say nowadays.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 9, 2020 • 10:29:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 9, 2020 • 10:32:10pm

I’m off to watch “Dark Shadows.”

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 9, 2020 • 10:37:47pm

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m off to watch “Dark Shadows.”

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Well, I have a better Congressional reform proposal

House of Representatives:

Increase the size of the House from 435 to 1250
Each state has a minimum of 3 representatives.
Congressional districts are drawn by nonpartisan commissions and if the commission cannot agree on a map the state defaults to using proportional representation.
250 members elected nationally at large using proportional representation with a 5% threshold.

Senate:

Expand the size of the Senate to 3 from each state with a Senate election every 2 years in each state.
Additional 100 members elected nationally at large using proportional representation with a 5% threshold.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 9, 2020 • 10:59:17pm

re: #28 🌹UOJB!

Well, I have a better Congressional reform proposal

House of Representatives:

Increase the size of the House from 435 to 1250
Each state has a minimum of 3 representatives.
Congressional districts are drawn by nonpartisan commissions and if the commission cannot agree on a map the state defaults to using proportional representation.
250 members elected nationally at large using proportional representation with a 5% threshold.

Senate:

Expand the size of the Senate to 3 from each state with a Senate election every 2 years in each state.
Additional 100 members elected nationally at large using proportional representation with a 5% threshold.

Your Congressional reform proposal does require several Constitutional amendments:
>> Increasing the number of senators per state
>> Having at-large representatives or senators
>> Specifying a minimum of 3 representatives per state

Expanding the number of representatives can be accomplished through legislation.

In general, Ben Sasse’s proposal is ridiculous. What is wrong with this man? But his idea for housing for senators (and representatives) may actually make sense — that could provide free accommodations for legislators so that they wouldn’t have the financial burden of maintaining two residences. Offering communal dining facilities may encourage people to talk to each other.

Now — his proposal for dormitories may

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 9, 2020 • 11:18:31pm

The congressional dormitory idea sounds like Christian wingnut Sen. Sasse wants to stay with the Family Christofascists over on C Street.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 9, 2020 • 11:24:17pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 9, 2020 • 11:39:54pm

The tropical Atlantic is getting busier. The wave off the Carolinas is expected to move ashore in North Carolina tomorrow, and time for it to develop is running out.

A wave east of The Bahamas is forecast to move across Florida and start developing as soon as it emerges over the Gulf of Mexico.

The wave over the border of Senegal and Guinea is about to emerge over the eastern Atlantic and is expected to develop immediately. The five-day outlook has it moving most of the way across the Atlantic and possibly becoming a threat to the Windward Islands.

The two tropical storms in the central Atlantic at the moment are only a threat to shipping.

NOAA Five-Day Tropical Atlantic Outlook map and details.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 9, 2020 • 11:55:31pm

re: #30 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The congressional dormitory idea sounds like Christian wingnut Sen. Sasse wants to stay with the Family Christofascists over on C Street.

Dormitories don’t work — but what about an alternative like the better senior living facilities which provide a full apartment plus cafeterias and “restaurants” where residents can get together for meals? It’s costly to maintain a home in your district plus separate accommodations in DC. It’s a challenge for citizens of more modest means to run for office and this could alleviate some financial burdens.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2020 • 12:15:37am

re: #33 Hecuba’s daughter

Dormitories don’t work — but what about an alternative like the better senior living facilities which provide a full apartment plus cafeterias and “restaurants” where residents can get together for meals? It’s costly to maintain a home in your district plus separate accommodations in DC. It’s a challenge for citizens of more modest means to run for office and this could alleviate some financial burdens.

Well, all of Sen. Sasse’s idea is a problem.

No cameras in the Senate? You don’t get to see what your government is doing.
No committees? There have been committees since the first Congress. Committees dividing the work more efficient and effective.
Nowhere in Sen. Sasse’s proposal is the idea of removing dark funding from congressional races.
A single twelve-year term means a senator would not be beholden to voters. Once elected the senator could ignore the voters for twelve years.
As for dormitories, any senator wealthy enough (or connected enough) will have the money to live on their own. It’s a path to bribery.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 10, 2020 • 1:48:40am

The only real way to reform the Senate is to abolish it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 10, 2020 • 2:00:05am

It’s very hard to let go of the past.

And that applies to national polity too.

The Senate as construed originally in the US Constitution was intentionally anti-democratic. It was created to perpetuate the power structure of the colonies.

It is obsolete and each year into the 21st century shows that more and more.

Sure, having a senior body to do oversight is fine and all political structures need that. But that does not mean such a body should be involved in legislating laws or allocating revenues or voting on political appointees.

But Americans are very religious, and transfer their religious feelings of reverence (mostly to the Bible for fundamentalist Protestants, or to historical institutions for other theists) to the US Constitution, as if it is somehow inerrant and unchangeable.

But it was designed to be change.

And it needs some radical updating.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 10, 2020 • 2:12:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2020 • 2:43:27am

“If the U.K. violates that international treaty and Brexit undermines the Good Friday accord, there will be absolutely no chance of a U.S.-U.K. trade agreement passing the Congress.”

Boris seems to think that Ireland will be fine with a hard border.

In fact they should have one, involving the Irish Sea and not an arbitrary line across NE Ireland.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2020 • 2:46:47am

re: #36 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s very hard to let go of the past.

And that applies to national polity too.

The Senate as construed originally in the US Constitution was intentionally anti-democratic. It was created to perpetuate the power structure of the colonies.

It is obsolete and each year into the 21st century shows that more and more.

Sure, having a senior body to do oversight is fine and all political structures need that. But that does not mean such a body should be involved in legislating laws or allocating revenues or voting on political appointees.

But Americans are very religious, and transfer their religious feelings of reverence (mostly to the Bible for fundamentalist Protestants, or to historical institutions for other theists) to the US Constitution, as if it is somehow inerrant and unchangeable.

But it was designed to be change.

And it needs some radical updating.

Nebraska abolished its own Senate many years ago. The argument at the time was it cost too much money to run two houses of the state legislature. The state constitution was changed to create today’s unicameral legislature (where the legislators are called senators, but districts are approximately equal in population).

We just blew through “Dark Shadows” episode 700, in the middle of the Quentin Collins the Victorian ghost werewolf haunting Collinwood story arc.

The description of the episode at Dark Shadows Everyday has something of interest in the cultural insensitivity department.

Professor Stokes (the professor in Collinsport who seems to be a professor of arcane knowledge and the occult) has found Quentin dabbled in the iChing, so Barnabas will use that to travel back to 1897 to learn more about Quentin when he was alive.

The description contains this part:

Professor Stokes introduces the iChing, Apple’s new disruptive divination technology.

Episode 700: I Ching the Body Electric

Stokes: It is the oldest known book of divination and mysticism, written in China long before the time of Confucius. It is also the most dangerous.

Barnabas: Why do you say that?

Stokes: Because it is the least understood. Even Confucius, with all his wisdom, could not master it. So, Quentin Collins practiced I Ching… and I would guess his motives were anything but pure.

Barnabas: Is this some kind of black magic?

That happens to be one of my all-time favorite lines in Dark Shadows, because it’s such a delirious, slap-happy moment of late 60s cultural insensitivity.

I mean, imagine if Professor Stokes reached into Quentin’s desk, said “Good Lord,” and then pulled out a Chanukah menorah.

The Professor turns to Barnabas, his face ashen. “Have you ever heard of Chanukah?” he asks. Barnabas has not.

“This is a menorah. It is one of the oldest artifacts of the Jewish faith, inspired by a rebellion in the 1st century BC. It is also the most dangerous.”

“Why do you say that?” Barnabas asks.

“Because it is the least understood. The ancient Maccabees only had enough oil to last for one night — but the light burned for eight nights.”

“Professor,” Barnabas gasps. “Is this some kind of black magic?”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2020 • 2:55:15am

Meanwhile, not having a Senate is no guarantee legislators will pay attention to the needs of constituents.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2020 • 3:34:34am

Well, after last night’s winter storm (we got about three inches of snow, plus hail from the thunderstorm before with temperatures plunging seventy degrees from day to night), we’ll be going back to summer next week.

Right now it’s 33°F (it’s warmer in Cheyenne at 6,000 feet than it is here at 3,600 feet), but by Monday we’ll be back in the nineties.

So the furnace will go off early next week and the air conditioner will be back on.

Winter is the expensive part of the year because natural gas to heat our house comes from a private firm; electricity comes from the state public power district.

Meanwhile, we’re sucking on the Covid front in the Panhandle. Our positivity rate in testing has climbed to 10%.

pphd.org

Cumulative cases are curving the wrong way.
Total cases: 726
Active cases: 88, in hospital: 8, deaths: 6 (no change)
Eleven counties of ninety-three have reported no cases (only one in PPHD, Grant County); all Panhandle counties are at “moderate risk” (Grant is at “low”)

All towns in the Panhandle and Grant County have now had cases except Hyannis (seat of Grant County, population 182), Lisco (Garden County, population 64), and Broadwater (Morrill County, population 124).
Women are 2/3 of cases.
Most by age: 20-29, 40-49, then 10-19
Racial makeup: 1/3 is Hispanic or Latino of any race (Hispanic/Latino makes up 15% of the populace)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 10, 2020 • 3:36:24am

re: #41 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

You did get snow. The precipitation was done here, but the temperature is currently 44 degrees F and tonight’s low is supposed to be 40. I have a weird buzz in the furnace that our family furnace guy is coming out to check on this morning, just in case.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2020 • 3:38:46am

re: #42 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You did get snow. The precipitation was done here, but the temperature is currently 44 degrees F and tonight’s low is supposed to be 40. I have a weird buzz in the furnace that our family furnace guy is coming out to check on this morning, just in case.

Why is it furnaces always seem to crap out in the winter? /s

We’ve had to have our ancient Montgomery Ward floor furnace serviced twice since we bought the house in late 2011. Both times the pilot light burned through the thermocouple, only discovered when it was about minus holy crap outside.

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2020 • 3:40:24am

re: #37 Dread Pirate Ron

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One of the bigger selling points of Brexit was this idea that a post-Brexit UK would find itself in a bidding war with its former trade partners to grab a slice of the British pie. That not only would they be able to deal direct with other nations rather than as part of the EU, but they’d even be able to bypass Brussels and go directly to the nations of continental Europe to make insanely great trade deals by simply teasing access to all those eager Britons wanting foreign goods.

The reality has been…a total bust. The EU has slammed its foot down and made clear that Boris won’t be going to Berlin, or to Paris, or even to Prague and making one-on-one deals. If the UK wants to keep its old trade network, it will have to work through the EU and that means playing by the EU’s terms. The promise of an Anglo-American trade deal was supposed to be 10 Downing’s lifeline, that even if they couldn’t get good deals with the EU that D.C. would be there to save their asses. Well, that door’s now in danger of being slammed shut in their face. Where are they going to look now?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 10, 2020 • 3:41:06am

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I don’t think it’s dead yet. The heat still works. However, you’re quite right in that our thermocouple burned through when the ambient air temperature was something on the order of -10 degrees F this past January. Waking up to a house that was 58 degrees F was terrifying. And cold.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2020 • 3:43:04am

We are adaptable creatures. We will teach ourselves how to cope with 2020. Thus:

Improve Your Relationships - With Advice From Counter-Terrorism Experts
getpocket.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2020 • 3:45:06am

The temperature dropped another degree; it is now 32°F. (I’m still marvelling at my Windows weather live tile working again after tearing my hair out so long trying to figure out why it stopped.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2020 • 3:53:23am

PragerFU: Everything The Left Touches It Ruins. Now Add Science. (Goes to Mr. Deity at YouTube, 8:27)

Dennis Prager puts his ignorance of science and its methods on public display.

PragerFU: Everything The Left Touches It Ruins. Now Add Science.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2020 • 4:10:01am

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Needless to say, Dennis Prager is all in on hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for Covid-19, part of his proof the Left (tm) is trying to destroy the objectivity of science.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 10, 2020 • 4:17:21am
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Dave In Austin  Sep 10, 2020 • 4:21:21am
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Dave In Austin  Sep 10, 2020 • 4:31:21am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2020 • 4:32:48am

re: #51 Dave In Austin

Well, Mr. Pro-Life both allowed an HIV epidemic in his state and was pro tobacco lobby.

I almost get the impression that conservatives are really liars, and all they care about is conserving their power.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 10, 2020 • 4:36:56am

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

That impression would be fair.
Glad to see you back. Did you get your service issues worked out?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 10, 2020 • 4:37:52am

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

At this point I can see other countries opening investigations into the United States, and Donald Trump’s and the GOP’s response specifically.

They might be able to stonewall with Bill Barr in the DOJ, but they can’t stonewall other nations’ investigations into whether Trump or the GOP was engaged in a genocide.

I think we’ll see a lot of this. European courts have jurisdiction and can indict Republicans on the same basis that they charged Pinochet: Their citizens were affected regardless of where the offense occurred. I can see this becoming a major issue for the Biden administration.

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John Hughes  Sep 10, 2020 • 4:39:24am

re: #44 Targetpractice

The reality has been…a total bust. The EU has slammed its foot down and made clear that Boris won’t be going to Berlin, or to Paris, or even to Prague and making one-on-one deals. If the UK wants to keep its old trade network, it will have to work through the EU and that means playing by the EU’s terms.

What’s incredible is that the UK knew it could never do that.

“Let’s leave the EU”.

“Why”.

“So we can make deals with other countries directly, which we’re not allowed to do while we’re in the EU”.

“What countries do you want to make deals with”?

“Oh, France, Germany, Italy…”

“But they’re in the EU, they can’t make deals directly…”

“… uh …”.

What are they going to propose next? International trade deals with individual US states?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2020 • 4:41:17am

re: #54 Dave In Austin

That impression would be fair.
Glad to see you back. Did you get your service issues worked out?

Yes. I got my modem late yesterday by UPS Next Day Air after only seven days. That’s an improvement because the previous modem took fourteen days by UPS Next Day Air.

Since I plugged in my new modem, my service has been slow but stable.

I did have to spend more than an hour on the telephone with CenturyLink yesterday to get a mail address to send my failed modem to; they expect me to return it by UPS and they do not come to my town to pick up packages. (CenturyLink will not refund my postage to me though, nor will they credit my service being fouled up since August 26: If you have an issue with your billing, you can come to Delaware to take it up in arbitration.)

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 10, 2020 • 4:47:58am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2020 • 4:54:49am

re: #58 Patricia Kayden

Reverend DeWitt is no fool.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 10, 2020 • 4:58:08am

re: #7 piratedan

Well, at least a few Senators got a briefing and then went and bought/sold stocks accordingly. Or told select donors that bad things would happen, thus facilitating further insider trading.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2020 • 5:01:25am

re: #60 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Well, at least a few Senators got a briefing and then went and bought/sold stocks accordingly. Or told select donors that bad things would happen, thus facilitating further insider trading.

Simply furthering my assertion that the stock market exists to transfer wealth from the poor and middle-class to the wealthy. There is no way I could compete in the market against such corruption of the so-called free market.

I’m off to bed. I’ll catch y’all later, now that I have regular Internet service again.

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ericblair  Sep 10, 2020 • 5:03:14am

This would seem to fuck up the yam’s BUT GYNA ranting. I’m sure he’ll keep doing it, though. And no, he’s not going to lose the MAGAt cultists, but each one of these dumps might peel a few off the edges of his support, and if not vote for Biden, just decide to stay home.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2020 • 5:06:52am

re: #62 ericblair

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This would seem to fuck up the yam’s BUT GYNA ranting. I’m sure he’ll keep doing it, though. And no, he’s not going to lose the MAGAt cultists, but each one of these dumps might peel a few off the edges of his support, and if not vote for Biden, just decide to stay home.

If 5% of Trump’s 2016 voters decide they’re just gonna sit this election out because they’re sick of his petty-ante bullshit, that’s all it’ll take for his useless ass to get bounced out of the Oval Office.

OK….off to work. Back later today.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 10, 2020 • 5:10:56am

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The temperature dropped another degree; it is now 32°F. (I’m still marvelling at my Windows weather live tile working again after tearing my hair out so long trying to figure out why it stopped.)

My adventure with furnace during a cold snap back when I had a house was the thermostat going haywire and the furnace running full-on until the internal house temp was over 88 F while it was 25 F outside. I woke at 3am sweating profusely and wondering what was going on. Happened to look at the thermostat in passing and noticed that the temp gauge on it was pegged - and the furnace was also still running.

So I had to go shut off the furnace and open a bunch of windows. It was still over 80 F in the house at 7am when closed windows and headed to work. Called a repair service once I got to work and managed to get the thermostat replaced the next day. (Glad it wasn’t something in the furnace itself that would be more expensive.)

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 10, 2020 • 5:40:37am
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Dave In Austin  Sep 10, 2020 • 5:42:39am

Claire has been bringing the fire this week.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 10, 2020 • 5:46:02am

re: #66 Dave In Austin

Claire has been bringing the fire this week.

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I’d love it if Trump throws Lindsey under the bus on Fox. Might cost him some votes from the rabid base and perhaps torpedo his reelection chances.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 10, 2020 • 5:46:27am
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Dave In Austin  Sep 10, 2020 • 5:53:18am
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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2020 • 5:53:57am

re: #69 Dave In Austin

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Well, that settles it, Li’l Kim is dead.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2020 • 5:58:09am

Let’s start the day with the national anthem.

Phil Ochs - The Power and The Glory [with controversial verse] (1963)

But this land is still troubled by the men who have to hate,
They twist away our freedom and twist away our fate.
Law is their weapon and treason is their pride.
You can stop them if you try.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:00:05am

re: #69 Dave In Austin

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Kim Jong Un is going to host The Apprentice: Pyongyang isn’t he?

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:00:32am

re: #69 Dave In Austin

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Never met a despot he didn’t love.

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:01:56am

re: #20 Dread Pirate Ron

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Pence must be getting nervous that he too will not be able to escape arrest and prosecution for his role in various Trump monstrosities should they lose the election. If Pence embraces Qanon it means he is prioritizing his pretend Christian faith for an all-out cult.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:02:19am

Combine this stuff from Woodward with the story that they weren’t going to help blue states and”democrat controlled” cities and I’m not sure what other word applies but genocide.

The question is though, besides “vote him/them out”, is what consequences will there be for this? They knew and they took steps to protect themselves and no one else. There has to be legal recourse for us, the people left to die by design. All the people who have and will lose their homes and businesses forever, what about them? If these assholes are allowed to get away with this we have no justice system, there has to be a price they pay legally. Somehow.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:07:10am

Dig Dig Dig…….

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Dave In Austin  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:09:32am
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jeffreyw  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:10:27am

Good morning!

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:10:31am

IMPEACH WOODWARD!

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:10:58am

re: #75 A Mom Anon

Combine this stuff from Woodward with the story that they weren’t going to help blue states and”democrat controlled” cities and I’m not sure what other word applies but genocide.

The question is though, besides “vote him/them out”, is what consequences will there be for this? They knew and they took steps to protect themselves and no one else. There has to be legal recourse for us, the people left to die by design. All the people who have and will lose their homes and businesses forever, what about them? If these assholes are allowed to get away with this we have no justice system, there has to be a price they pay legally. Somehow.

Democide. When mass deaths are directed at a group not because of race, ethnicity, or religion, the term used should be democide.

Trump’s engaged in criminal misconduct since before entering office, and his mishandling of covid19 - coupled with never reversing himself because he thinks it makes him look weak - resulted in 200,000 deaths. So far.

His death toll isn’t going to go away. Tens of millions are out of work because of it.

He failed the nation, and his excuse is he didn’t want to cause a panic?

The fact is that he knew and did worse than nothing. He made up bulkshit about how this wasn’t as serious as a flu, that it’d go away, that there were junk science snake oil cures and treatments, and none of that approached reality. He’s now pinning his hopes on pushing a vaccine to approval as his last gasp.

He failed. He failed to mandate masks (not at his fucking klan rallies, not at his pressers, not at his photo ops, not at his RNC, nowhere), and he insisted on states reopening faster than the experts warned was safe. The outcomes were entirely predictable. More people died. That’s all on him.

You could insist on people masking up and social distancing without causing a panic. That’s what happened practically everywhere else in the world - no panic, no rioting - just people doing what they needed to do in order to keep themselves, their families, and their communities safe. People masked up in states where Democrats insisted on following the health experts, and they bent the curve down. That was without panic.

But panic is a weird thing for Trump to use as an excuse to do nothing. Trump insists that everything is so chaotic and awful that he’s insisting that the nation is already in a panic from caravans, to open borders, to undocumented people murdering white women in the suburbs to crime and riots and protests. Trump’s entire worldview is one of chaos and projection.

He brings the chaos and panic, and he can never project an air of calm. He doesn’t have it in him. Even medicated, he still spews his usual garbage and he sounds like he took a metric shit ton of valium to counter the adderall and whatever else his docs give him and he garbles through a speech he never prepared to read.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:11:57am

re: #50 Dave In Austin

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:12:22am
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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:14:50am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:16:02am

re: #67 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I’d love it if Trump throws Lindsey under the bus on Fox. Might cost him some votes from the rabid base and perhaps torpedo his reelection chances.

Tucker Carlson did. Them he backed up and drove over him again.

It was glorious.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:19:11am
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Belafon  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:20:19am

re: #44 Targetpractice

One of the bigger selling points of Brexit was this idea that a post-Brexit UK would find itself in a bidding war with its former trade partners to grab a slice of the British pie. That not only would they be able to deal direct with other nations rather than as part of the EU, but they’d even be able to bypass Brussels and go directly to the nations of continental Europe to make insanely great trade deals by simply teasing access to all those eager Britons wanting foreign goods.

The reality has been…a total bust. The EU has slammed its foot down and made clear that Boris won’t be going to Berlin, or to Paris, or even to Prague and making one-on-one deals. If the UK wants to keep its old trade network, it will have to work through the EU and that means playing by the EU’s terms. The promise of an Anglo-American trade deal was supposed to be 10 Downing’s lifeline, that even if they couldn’t get good deals with the EU that D.C. would be there to save their asses. Well, that door’s now in danger of being slammed shut in their face. Where are they going to look now?

Boris doesn’t even read the history of his own country. One of the reasons for the current US constitution was that Britain was making trade deals with individual states, undermining the even then weak central government.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:34:46am

This is really cool - this artist takes pulp novel covers and marries them with song lyrics.

He even sells prints through his Etsy store.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:35:53am
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Belafon  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:37:01am
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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:43:58am

Good night, Mrs. Peel.

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Jay C  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:44:21am

Morning all.

Looking through the thread and the comments about Sen. Sasse’s inane “Senate reform” proposals* , I can see one bright prospect looming: Senators, especially Republican Senators, rarely if ever show any interest in changing the rules of their institution except when there’s a danger of their Party losing power/control. So I’m wondering what GOP polling looks like wrt to various Senate races around the country (dire, I hope).

So far ( just as a SWAG analysis) the only “gimme” races (ME, AZ, CO, AL) will leave the GOP with just.a 51-49 Majority- so they basically would HAVE to retain every other seat they hold In order to maintain control of the Upper House. And that really doesn’t seem very likely.

* except for the provision of residences in DC - though the “dormitory” idea is fairly stupid. Surely there are 100 condos/LT rentals available in Washington….

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:47:08am

re: #91 Jay C

I know that a number of Senators “bunk” together, including Schumer. But on the list of priorities, it’s at the bottom.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:47:36am
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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:49:12am

And of course Pence knew at the time as well

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:51:22am
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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:51:30am

re: #94 dangerman

Everyone in Trumpworld knew. They knew and did worse than nothing. They lied about the seriousness. Claimed it wasn’t as dangerous as the flu. Pooh poohed the warnings by Dr. Fauci and other health experts.

Trump sidelined other experts and ignored the evidence. He and his sycophantic suckups claimed we should do business as usual. They attacked cities and states that shut down to prevent further spread. They attacked governors who put lives first. They attacked the masking/social distancing mandates.

They still do.

They are culpable. They’re responsible. People I know would still be alive but for Trump’s failures to act.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:51:57am
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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:53:36am

Imagine had Trump done a 3-week shutdown in February - nationwide - coupled with a total shutdown of air travel. Only essential food service/transportation/health workers traveling anywhere. He could have gotten the R rate below one, and with masking - kept it there - along with reopening based on keeping the R rate below one with contact tracing.

That’s how you control the spread and keep it from flaring back up.

He did the exact opposite. He did worse than that. He lied about all of it. And now we have 200,000 dead.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:54:01am

Don’t know what imp from Hell inspired Trump to self-incriminate on tape, but I’ll buy him a beer if I ever meet him. (Coor’s Light, of course—favorite beer in Hell.)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2020 • 6:55:12am
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:02:41am

So, now it’s private citizen Bob Woodward’s entire fault, not the President of the United States.

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:02:56am

2020 is playing like a GRRM book.

Covid19 is playing the role of the white walkers, and Trump’s playing the role of Cersei Lannister, who knew but thought it’d wipe out his enemies leaving him unscathed. Yet, if and when he loses, he’ll go all Sept of Baelor on everyone. Because he always puts himself first. He will burn it all down to protect himself.

And the GOP are more than happy to ride along. You’ve got Pence and Ivanka and Jared and all the rest as playing everyone from Tywin to the Freys to Euron Greyjoy.

*and yeah, I know that Trump’s cast as Cersei in this version, but it works if you consider how they treat Ivanka as Jaime (the so-called honorable one).

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:07:02am

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Don’t know what imp from Hell inspired Trump to self-incriminate on tape, but I’ll buy him a beer if I ever meet him. (Coor’s Light, of course—favorite beer in Hell.)

According to Hannity, it was Lindsey Graham!

All that ass-kissing, and Graham still gets thrown under the bus. You hate to see it.

Wait, no you don’t.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:07:54am

re: #101 The Pie Overlord!

So, now it’s private citizen Bob Woodward’s entire fault, not the President of the United States.

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He just wants the power and prestige of being called President but none of its responsibilities. If there’s an anti statesman, it’s Trump.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:09:33am

i want to correct and amplify something i said yesterday

Correction: Yes. Trump did say ‘to avoid panic’ to Woodward back in Feb/March so it was not just a recent post hoc justification. I got that wrong.

However i dont believe it was a chosen / deliberated ‘strategy’.
I believe it was a lie of justification even back then.
Sure, maybe to protect the stock market.
And still most certainly not to avoid general public panic.

how do we know?
well there’s the totality of his otherwise counterproductive actions and statements through today - as others have pointed out.
He could have ‘avoided a panic’ AND promoted all sorts of logical, positive, health and life saving messages. He hasn’t.

And there’s the actual tapes of the rallies he was also doing at the same time. spewing a totally different message than ‘calm, and no panic’.

and now we are here, today where these symbols - masks/vaccines/distancing, etc are almost 100% political and not science/medicine based personal decisions.

see for example:

Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) “is neither a physician nor a scientist but he continues to attack public health advice and scientific evidence on COVID-19,” the Arizona Republic reports.

“In his latest tweets, Biggs urges Arizonans to flout national and local public health guidance on COVID-19… He’s also been urging members of the public to ‘unmask.’”

this is not MEDICAL advice. it’s us vs them….
so why would an R congressman make such an absurd statement?

We are here because trump weaponized medicine/science/truth.
Not because he didn’t want to cause a panic.

‘i want to avoid a panic’ was a lie when he said it then.
it is still a lie.

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:09:55am

re: #103 makeitstop

Trumpworld (aka the GOP and the right wing propagandists) right now:

Mexican Standoff - Reservoir Dogs (11/12) Movie CLIP (1992) HD

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:10:39am

re: #104 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He just wants the power and prestige of being called President but none of its responsibilities. If there’s an anti statesman, it’s Trump.

It’s the “Mr. President” pageant. Just like “Miss Universe” but without the swimsuits.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:11:35am

re: #101 The Pie Overlord!

So, now it’s private citizen Bob Woodward’s entire fault, not the President of the United States.

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“Because Bob didn’t say anything, I was correct in not doing anything.” Not a great argument.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:12:03am

re: #107 The Pie Overlord!

It’s the “Mr. President” pageant. Just like “Miss Universe” but without the swimsuits.

Thank the deity of your choice for that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:13:34am

re: #107 The Pie Overlord!

It’s the “Mr. President” pageant. Just like “Miss Universe” but without the swimsuits.

The Apprentice: Presidency Edition. No man has disgraced the office of the American President more than Trump.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:16:07am

Whoa if true….

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:16:38am

Here come the bankruptcy filings.

Luby’s went bankrupt and will be closing all their locations, including all the Fuddruckers.

Yesterday, JC Penney avoided that fate with a bailout by Simon and Brookfield, because their mall businesses would follow the same fate if one of their key anchor tenants went bankrupt too.

Today, NYC metro area chain Century21 is shuttering.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:16:38am

CALM, NO PANIC.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:17:08am

re: #111 makeitstop

Whoa if true….

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I’ll believe that when I see it because I know from first hand experience just how brainwashed those Xtian Pod People are.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:19:00am

re: #111 makeitstop

Whoa if true….

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I don’t identify as Catholic anymore but Biden speaks the language of the ethnic Catholics that made my family Democrats.

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lizardofid  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:20:51am

“Avoid panic” = Save the DOW. The end.

RIP Ronald “Kahlis” Bell, co founder of Kool and The Gang.

rollingstone.com

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:20:52am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:22:01am

MSNBC out here committing journalistic malpractice this morning.

Headline: MOST VOTERS DON’T SEE TRUMP AND BIDEN AS MENTALLY FIT TO BE PRESIDENT, NEW POLL SHOWS

Key info from story: A 51% majority said Trump is mentally unfit to be president, while 49% answered that he is fit to hold the job. A similar share, by a 52% to 48% margin, responded that Biden is mentally unfit to be president.

A more accurate headline would be: VOTERS SPLIT ON MENTAL HEALTH OF PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:23:49am

This is a good thing, not a bad thing.

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jamesfirecat  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:23:58am

re: #102 lawhawk

2020 is playing like a GRRM book.

Covid19 is playing the role of the white walkers, and Trump’s playing the role of Cersei Lannister, who knew but thought it’d wipe out his enemies leaving him unscathed. Yet, if and when he loses, he’ll go all Sept of Baelor on everyone. Because he always puts himself first. He will burn it all down to protect himself.

And the GOP are more than happy to ride along. You’ve got Pence and Ivanka and Jared and all the rest as playing everyone from Tywin to the Freys to Euron Greyjoy.

*and yeah, I know that Trump’s cast as Cersei in this version, but it works if you consider how they treat Ivanka as Jaime (the so-called honorable one).

Um, no one is playing the role of Tywin, Tywin was the one person who could actually keep Cersei more or less on leash and force her to do sane reasonable things.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:24:20am

re: #114 🌹UOJB!

I’ll believe that when I see it because I know from first hand experience just how brainwashed those Xtian Pod People are.

I’m more concerned about Russians changing votes. That was a big deal which is getting no airplay.

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Jay C  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:24:28am

re: #115 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t identify as Catholic anymore but Biden speaks the language of the ethnic Catholics that made my family Democrats.

Also, outside the hardcore clericofascist element, wouldn’t some sort of shift to Biden among Catholic voters be expected, anyway? Even if just because he is one?

Though Joe’s down-to-earth persona can’t hurt, I’m sure.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:26:07am

re: #119 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

This is a good thing, not a bad thing.

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Kim Jong Un didn’t like Obama? Next you’ll tell me that Hitler hated FDR. God Trump’s fucking love of this guy is sickening. Trump is a dictator lover.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:27:52am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:28:18am

re: #122 Jay C

Also, outside the hardcore clericofascist element, wouldn’t some sort of shift to Biden among Catholic voters be expected, anyway? Even if just because he is one?

Though Joe’s down-to-earth persona can’t hurt, I’m sure.

Yeah I think it was inevitable but Biden speaks Catholic better than Kerry did. I like Kerry but I can’t see him quoting John Paul II or talking about what the church means for him. I think Kerry like me is someone who has been shaped by the church but not as heavily as Biden.

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lizardofid  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:29:21am

re: #119 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

This is a good thing, not a bad thing.

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True. And it also indicates Lil Kim had a pretty solid book on Donnie.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:29:51am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:30:31am

re: #126 lizardofid

True. And it also indicates Lil Kim had a pretty solid book on Donnie.

I’m certain he uses his phone calls to Putin to bitch about how unfair everyone is to him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:31:00am

re: #127 jaunte

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It was always a sham.

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:32:06am

re: #116 lizardofid

“Avoid panic” = Save the DOW. The end.

RIP Ronald “Kahlis” Bell, co founder of Kool and The Gang.

rollingstone.com

Their Emergency album was among the first cassettes I ever bought.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:33:10am
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:34:32am

re: #107 The Pie Overlord!

It’s the “Mr. President” pageant. Just like “Miss Universe” but without the swimsuits.

Just the thought of Trump in a Speedo…oh good lawd not when I just woke up and didn’t get my first espresso shot of the day, PLEASE…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:36:07am

re: #131 Patricia Kayden

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Trump helped them embrace Putin. Embracing of KJU will be fully part of the GOP program as long as Trumpers lead the party.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:37:20am

re: #124 The Pie Overlord!

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nines09  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:37:47am
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:38:06am

re: #132 🌹UOJB!

Just the thought of Trump in a Speedo…oh good lawd not when I just woke up and didn’t get my first espresso shot of the day, PLEASE…

Here is some brain bleach.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:40:34am

re: #135 nines09

You mean who tells White people that scary Blacks will be invading the suburbs. (Completely ignoring the fact that Blacks already live in the suburbs).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:42:12am

Watched a bit of Fox News this morning to see the spin. Some old guy from the WSJ was being interviewed, he complained about the media focusing on Trump’s comments instead of his covid policies; the blonde (of course) interviewing him didn’t point out Trump’s policies have killed 200k Americans. Then he talked about the election crisis coming up because Rs are voting in person and Ds are voting by mail, so we are having two elections that each candidate can claim victory in. The blonde didn’t point out its one election in which all votes count, so if there is a crisis it would be entirely of Trump’s making. So, Fox.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:42:19am

re: #119 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

So the New York Post thinks it’s a bad thing that a murderous dictator thinks that President Obama is an a-hole? Really?

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ckkatz  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:42:28am

I just got some spam attempting to rebrand the Affordable Care Act as “TrumpCare”. They certainly feel a need to mark ownership on everything by peeing on it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:44:57am

Lre: #139 Patricia Kayden

So the New York Post thinks it’s a bad thing that a murderous dictator thinks that President Obama is an a-hole? Really?

I have no doubt that Murdoch would have pushed Hitler sympathetic pieces had his organizations been around in the 20’s and 30’s.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:46:35am
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ckkatz  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:54:05am

The most recent Lincoln Project Podcast discusses the likely timing issue with in person voting versus mail in ballot voting. It generally recounts what has been posted on LGF in somewhat greater detail.

Basically, the pollsters expect that the in person voters will be mostly Republican voters while the mail in voters will largely be Democratic.

Most states do not start validating and counting mail in votes until after the in-person polls close.

Thus the in-person totals will become available the evening of Nov 3rd and may reflect a majority Republican vote. The mail-in votes will straggle in over the next couple of weeks and will likely show the Democratic vote overtaking and overcoming the in-person totals.

One concern is that Trump is setting up his less sophisticated voters to believe that the late arriving pro-Democratic votes are the result of some corrupt fix rather than a slow validation and counting process.

The talk goes into greater technical depth. And remains technical rather than politically partisan.

I found it quite interesting. As always, ymmv…

Explained: Vote Counting & The Election Results Delay The Lincoln Project

Our host and co-founder Ron Steslow asks fellow co-founder Mike Madrid to break down how votes are counted, how the surge in mail-in ballots will impact when we know who wins the Presidential election and why this November may hold the three most critical weeks in American democracy.

podcasts.apple.com

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:56:44am

Hypothesis: Putin has set a quota of dead Americans as his price for providing refuge and loan payoffs for Cheeto and his hench-ghouls. What would be different if he weren’t?

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:59:06am

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Hypothesis: Putin has set a quote of dead Americans as his price for providing refuge and loan payoffs for Cheeto and his hench-ghouls. What would be different if he weren’t?

On that note…

Key Biden Campaign Strategy Firm Targeted By Suspected Kremlin-Backed Hackers

One of Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s main election campaign advisory firms was likely targeted by suspected Russian state-backed hackers.

Reuters reports that according to three sources briefed on the matter, Microsoft alerted campaign strategy and communications firm SKDKnickerbocker that recent hacking attempts had targeted staff from the company.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Joe ain’t stupid. He knew this was coming.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 7:59:10am

We haven’t seen the worst of this yet. I remain optimistic about beating him but the lingering remnants of Trumpism is going to be with this country for a long time.

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A Cranky One  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:00:46am

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Hypothesis: Putin has set a quote of dead Americans as his price for providing refuge and loan payoffs for Cheeto and his hench-ghouls. What would be different if he weren’t?

Oh come on now. The idea of Russia paying for dead Americans is just sill…

Oh wait.

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JC1  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:00:57am

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Hypothesis: Putin has set a quota of dead Americans as his price for providing refuge and loan payoffs for Cheeto and his hench-ghouls. What would be different if he weren’t?

I doubt that Putin cares about dead Americans one way or another. He just wants to keep enriching himself and rebuilding the USSR unmolested. Trump’s NATO bashing probably means more than covid.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:01:25am
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:02:21am

re: #146 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We haven’t seen the worst of this yet. I remain optimistic about beating him but the lingering remnants of Trumpism is going to be with this country for a long time.

“Russia, if you’re listening… HELP ME! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, HELP ME NOW!!!”

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:03:53am

re: #143 ckkatz

In 2016, the only state where mail-in votes seemed to change in large numbers was California, which Hillary won anyway. I don’t remember there being much change for the battleground states. And I am wondering where Democrats will vote differently in large numbers. Yes, there is the virus. But in primaries in Wisconsin and DC, people were willing to stand in line. My only change this year is I am going to vote early, where I traditionally like to vote on election day.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:05:52am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:07:01am

re: #148 JC1

I doubt that Putin cares about dead Americans one way or another. He just wants to keep enriching himself and rebuilding the USSR unmolested. Trump’s NATO bashing probably means more than covid.

Have to agree. Putin wants Russia to be a dominant nation state in Europe again. I’m definitely interested in seeing what Biden plans to do in Europe.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:12:13am

You must die. The Party commands it!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:12:31am

re: #141 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

L

I have no doubt that Murdoch would have pushed Hitler sympathetic pieces had his organizations been around in the 20’s and 30’s.

Harold Harmsworth, later Lord Rothermere, the owner of the Daily Mail in the 1930s, penned a 1934 article (published in the 15 January edition of the Daily Mail) called “Hurrah for the Blackshirts”, praising Oswald Moseley and the British Union of Fascists.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:13:40am

re: #154 🌹UOJB!

Kennedy had composed his rote response and he wasn’t going to deviate from it.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:14:38am

The GOP is going to try to Jedi their way out of this.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:14:54am

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

Harold Harmsworth, later Lord Rothermere, the owner of the Daily Mail in the 1930s, penned a 1934 article (published in the 15 January edition of the Daily Mail) called “Hurrah for the Blackshirts”, praising Oswald Moseley and the British Union of Fascists.

Oh yeah. The old right had plenty of Hitler fans which is exactly why I want to smack conservatives who say liberals are Nazis. I’ll concede Nazism isn’t your typical conservatism but it’s definitely an ideology that attracted and attracts the right and sees itself as the right.

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Jay C  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:15:06am

re: #153 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Have to agree. Putin wants Russia to be a dominant nation state in Europe again. I’m definitely interested in seeing what Biden plans to do in Europe.

He won’t have to do much to improve US standing: just showing up to a NATO summit and not insulting anybody will probably be a huge boost by itself.

I’m guessing, though, that the hardcore “nationalist” wingers won’t be happy to see Trump booted out: his brand of bigoted xenophobia was right up their alley.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:15:40am

RIP.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:16:15am

re: #154 🌹UOJB!

You must die. The Party commands it!

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My Dad had that on and was just stunned by Kennedy’s bullshit. Dad’s been anti Trump from the start but I think he’s seeing the full extent of the rot.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:17:09am

re: #158 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Oh yeah. The old right had plenty of Hitler fans which is exactly why I want to smack conservatives who say liberals are Nazis. I’ll concede Nazism isn’t your typical conservatism but it’s definitely an ideology that attracted and attracts the right and sees itself as the right.

Yeah, some of the biggest supporters of Mussolini and Hitler in the interwar period were conservatives. They saw Fascism as a bulwark against Communism and the USSR.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:17:21am

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

I know her from Doctor Who.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:17:24am

re: #159 Jay C

He won’t have to do much to improve US standing: just showing up to a NATO summit and not insulting anybody will probably be a huge boost by itself.

I’m guessing, though, that the hardcore “nationalist” wingers won’t be happy to see Trump booted out: his brand of bigoted xenophobia was right up their alley.

Yeah that at the bare minimum will help. I’m sure he’ll get a hero’s welcome on his first international trip.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:17:53am

re: #78 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

It’s just a tree, but it was taken yesterday (smokeday) at noon.

And this was the light around noon on a normal overcast day.

We shall see what today brings.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:18:27am

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, some of the biggest supporters of Mussolini and Hitler in the interwar period were conservatives. They saw Fascism as a bulwark against Communism and the USSR.

Just a reminder that the biggest asskissers of Mussolini in the 20s and 30s were Hearst, McCormack (Chicago Tribune) and Luce (Time/Life).

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:19:23am

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, some of the biggest supporters of Mussolini and Hitler in the interwar period were conservatives. They saw Fascism as a bulwark against Communism and the USSR.

Exactly and I’ll concede that a lot of left wingers saw communism and the USSR as bulwarks the other way. But there’s no question that western conservatism lends itself to accepting totalitarianism if it’s done in the name of opposition to socialism and increasingly liberalism.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:28:15am

Now relative posting the latest Q shit alleging the Woodward book is a false flag…

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:28:18am

re: #148 JC1

I doubt that Putin cares about dead Americans one way or another. He just wants to keep enriching himself and rebuilding the USSR unmolested. Trump’s NATO bashing probably means more than covid.

Obviously dead Americans are not a Putin goal in and of itself, but it could be part of a strategy of weakening anything (including NATO) that stands in the way of eventual Russian hegrmony

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:28:29am

re: #167 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly and I’ll concede that a lot of left wingers saw communism and the USSR as bulwarks the other way. But there’s no question that western conservatism lends itself to accepting totalitarianism if it’s done in the name of opposition to socialism and increasingly liberalism.

Fascism is a radically reactionary ideology, and conservatism certainly has a reactionary streak to it. It’s no surprise the two ideologies can work quite nicely together.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:29:50am

re: #168 🌹UOJB!

Now relative posting the latest Q shit alleging the Woodward book is a false flag…

I guess it was Rich Little on those tapes. Gah. My Trumpist relatives too. It makes me sick, sad, & angry.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:30:39am

re: #168 🌹UOJB!

Now relative posting the latest Q shit alleging the Woodward book is a false flag…

Tell your relative that’s true: It’s distracting people from the tapes of Trump actually saying the stuff.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:32:34am

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Don’t know what imp from Hell inspired Trump to self-incriminate on tape, but I’ll buy him a beer if I ever meet him. (Coor’s Light, of course—favorite beer in Hell.)

Ate you sure it wasn’t an angel of the Lord?

/

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BigPapa  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:34:13am

As Trump spins the toilet bowl the cultists will dig in harder. I don’t expect many mea culpas. Just ostracize, ridicule, tell them we done knew, push for legal remedy, vote.

We cannot let the cultists drive narratives.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:34:34am
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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:35:39am

Funny how this guy never gets attacked by Trump. I wonder why that is?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:36:43am

A crackpot former coworker of mine thinks it was Biden on those tapes IMITATING TRUMP.

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nines09  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:37:51am

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Jay C  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:39:05am

re: #175 jaunte

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Yeah, funny thing: the only Senators* who have been outright dismissive of the Woodward revelations are those with safe seats.**

Not much from several in competitive races: wonder why….?? ///

* AFAICT
** Unfortunately (for the country) Cornyn’s and Kennedy’s seats are safe.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:40:43am

re: #179 Jay C

Yeah, funny thing: the only Senators* who have been outright dismissive of the Woodward revelations are those with safe seats.**

Not much from several in competitive races: wonder why….?? ///

* AFAICT
** Unfortunately (for the country) Cornyn’s and Kennedy’s seats are safe.

Yes, Texas, but polls have Hegar within one. That’s why I’m still donating to her.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:40:48am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

A crackpot former coworker of mine thinks it was Biden on those tapes IMITATING TRUMP.

He’s a f*cking idiot

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:41:44am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

A crackpot former coworker of mine thinks it was Biden on those tapes IMITATING TRUMP.

JFC. Esquire actually has a great article on Loose Change and the conspiracy mainstream culture it created.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:42:06am

re: #111 makeitstop

Whoa if true….

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It was clear a while back that DT was losing evangelical women (I even posted it here, but no-one listened). We’ll see what kind of inroads he makes among men.

(My guess all along has been that his rock-bottom base was around 20%, I remain hopeful that that will turn out to be the right number.)

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:42:33am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

A crackpot coworker of mine thinks it was Biden on those tapes IMITATING TRUMP.

You should ask your co-worker whether or not Trump spray-tans his balls. After all, your co-worker must get a good look at ‘em with Trump’s dick in their mouth.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:42:47am

re: #180 Belafon

Yes, Texas, but polls have Hegar within one. That’s why I’m still donating to her.

Hegar has a tough road but after living through Jim Webb going against George Allen, anything’s possible and I’m rooting for MJ.

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Jay C  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:44:30am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

A crackpot former coworker of mine thinks it was Biden on those tapes IMITATING TRUMP.

Crackpot, indeed: weren’t Woodward’s tapes made during face-to-face interviews with Trump??

So: Joe somehow managed to slip into the WH for Bob Woodward’s interviews (without anyone knowing), made himself up to look like Donald Trump, and imitated his voice in order to get embarrassing statements about COVID-19 on the record - then slipped out before anyone noticed?

Makes me just want to vote for him more: THAT’S the sort of ingenuity I want to see in a President…!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:45:25am

re: #186 Jay C

Crackpot, indeed: weren’t Woodward’s tapes made during face-to-face interviews with Trump??

So: Joe somehow managed to slip into the WH for Bob Woodward’s interviews (without anyone knowing), made himself up to look like Donald Trump, and imitated his voice in order to get embarrassing statements about COVID-19 on the record - then slipped out before anyone noticed?

Makes me just want to vote for him more: THAT’S the sort of ingenuity I want to see in a President…!

Biden has dementia yet he’s the world’s best Trump impressionist.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:47:28am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:48:48am

google.com

Biden was warning about this in January when a lot of people wrote him off. He also was warning that we weren’t ready in October 2019. Biden imo more than any Democrat who ran imo knew and knows the damage Trump has done.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:49:17am

re: #188 jaunte

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Incredibly

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:49:29am
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Jay C  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:50:29am

re: #188 jaunte

How stupid do these people think we are?

Ummm…. Republican??

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A Cranky One  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:50:55am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

A crackpot former coworker of mine thinks it was Biden on those tapes IMITATING TRUMP.

That explains why Trump is trying to justify the remarks. Later he’ll reveal it was actually Biden and it was an elaborate trap! 11 dimensional chess!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:52:44am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:57:16am
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Jay C  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:57:55am

re: #194 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Good! Yet another issue Trump and the GOP can self-righteously position themselves on the wrong side of!

(though a 56-42 opinion is hardly overwhelming. Better than the opposite, however…)

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:58:35am

re: #176 makeitstop

Funny how this guy never gets attacked by Trump. I wonder why that is?

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Why is that NSFW? It sounds like regular work for the Trump family. Few of them have had a cold sober day that wasn’t spent in police booking.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 8:59:26am

re: #195 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Trump was afraid to run against Obama.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:03:44am

So I read Ted Lieu mention reckless homicide in terms of Trump deliberately downplaying COVID. The analogy that came to mind is when a doctor or attorney becomes aware that her client is going a credible risk to harm someone. In those circumstances, the doctor or attorney is obligated to notify the police, or face civil penalties if the client does, in fact, follow through with the threat. I’m somewhat at a loss to find a meaningful distinction.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:06:09am

re: #197 Sherlock Hound

Why is that NSFW? It sounds like regular work for the Trump family. Few of them have had a cold sober day that wasn’t spent in police booking.

I just prefer to err on the side of caution with tweets like that.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:08:10am

re: #200 makeitstop

I just prefer to err on the side of caution with tweets like that.

Blood family or in-law, I wonder.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:08:22am

re: #181 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

He’s a f*cking idiot

Agreed. He and I are members of the same FB group (which has nothing to do with politics), which is where I saw his comments. Fortunately the admins deleted his post pretty quickly.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:10:23am

re: #120 jamesfirecat

Um, no one is playing the role of Tywin, Tywin was the one person who could actually keep Cersei more or less on leash and force her to do sane reasonable things.

Fred Sr would be Tywin — and like Tywin, his death freed Trump to do whatever he wanted without any oversight.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:12:33am

re: #191 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:13:52am

Because DeJoy is a criminal, engaged in dismantling the post office for his own profit.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:17:45am
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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:17:49am

re: #201 Barefoot Grin

Blood family or in-law, I wonder.

Casler was Ivanka’s handler on The Apprentice, so there’s that.

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Interesting Times  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:18:18am

This is your population on decades of fascist propaganda, most recently aided and abetted by social media:

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:22:33am

re: #188 jaunte

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:24:27am

re: #188 jaunte

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Not just stupid. Misinformed, ignorant, and willing to ignore the facts and instead believe a bunch of baffling bulkshit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:30:35am

Fun fact: Trump didn’t shut down shit. GOVERNORS made the decisions to lock their states down.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:30:48am

re: #210 lawhawk

Not just stupid. Misinformed, ignorant, and willing to ignore the facts and instead believe a bunch of baffling bulkshit.

Don’t forget racist to the core. They are totally in agreement with the wall and children in cages. Yes — there are some who care only about abortion and Trump is delivering for them — but there is a larger group who are, at heart, white supremacists. They don’t care about his lies, only about the fact that Trump shares their hostility to minorities.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:31:44am

Think of the bumper sticker debasement.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:32:07am

re: #211 Eclectic Cyborg

Fun fact: Trump didn’t shut down shit. GOVERNORS made the decisions to lock their states down.

And Trump and his allies attacked them for it. These gaslighting assholes.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:34:24am

re: #208 Interesting Times

This is your population on decades of fascist propaganda, most recently aided and abetted by social media:

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:35:11am

re: #213 Dave In Austin

Think of the bumper sticker debasement.

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Fifteen-odd people is a giant crowd. Yes, of course it is. 😉

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mmmirele  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:37:26am

Last month, and on a lark, I filed a dispute with Experian over the derogatory marks on my credit from the evil mortgage company. The mortgage company issue is ongoing, but Experian actually removed the item a week ago. I just got an email from them with the results, but this was after I’d logged into my bank account and saw my FICO score had shot up over 100 points.

Lessons learned:
* Derogatory items on your credit can REALLY take a toll.
* File a complaint if the credit report is in error. Much to my great surprise, it worked.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:37:52am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:38:07am

The NFL season starts today so expect to Trump to start bitching about players kneeling again.

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Jay C  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:39:49am

re: #213 Dave In Austin

I count 21 adults and one child in that photo.
That’s a “giant crowd”??

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:40:01am

re: #143 ckkatz

The most recent Lincoln Project Podcast discusses the likely timing issue with in person voting versus mail in ballot voting. It generally recounts what has been posted on LGF in somewhat greater detail.

Basically, the pollsters expect that the in person voters will be mostly Republican voters while the mail in voters will largely be Democratic.


podcasts.apple.com

fwiw:

A new Washington Post-University of Maryland poll finds 61% of registered voters nationwide say they want to cast their ballots before Election Day, a significant departure from previous years that will force the candidates to reshape how they campaign in the election season’s final weeks.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:40:49am

re: #213 Dave In Austin

Think of the bumper sticker debasement.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:40:52am

re: #213 Dave In Austin

Think of the bumper sticker debasement.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:41:56am

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

The NFL season starts today so expect to Trump to start bitching about players kneeling again.

I’m already seeing “Boycott the ‘N-CLANG’ Football League” posts retweeted by The Usual Gang Of Fucking Brain Dead Assholes…

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:42:07am

re: #154 🌹UOJB!

You must die. The Party commands it!

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its less ‘a book’, even a ‘gotcha book’ and more a transcript of trump quotes on tape

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:42:09am

re: #209 lawhawk

It is important to remember that President @realDonaldTrump shut down the entire American economy to put the health of America first.

Pence auditioned to be a pimp, but he couldn’t meet the moral threshold.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:43:51am

She’s ready to kick some ass.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:44:38am

Biden ad

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:44:55am

re: #186 Jay C

Crackpot, indeed: weren’t Woodward’s tapes made during face-to-face interviews with Trump??

So: Joe somehow managed to slip into the WH for Bob Woodward’s interviews (without anyone knowing), made himself up to look like Donald Trump, and imitated his voice in order to get embarrassing statements about COVID-19 on the record - then slipped out before anyone noticed?

Makes me just want to vote for him more: THAT’S the sort of ingenuity I want to see in a President…!

what i read was i think two face to face interviews
the rest were by phone.
trump gave woodward his personal cell #.
woodward could bypass the switchboard

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:45:13am

re: #221 dangerman

….fwiw:

A new Washington Post-University of Maryland poll finds 61% of registered voters nationwide say they want to cast their ballots before Election Day, a significant departure from previous years that will force the candidates to reshape how they campaign in the election season’s final weeks.

But many are probably like me: voting early at an official early polling place, not by mail. And the only reason I may not be voting on the first day is that I have to review what to do about the dozens of judges that typically show up on our ballots.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:45:45am

re: #218 🌹UOJB!

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All the GOP is a bunch of dicks acting like dicks, they think it is clever.

So sick of it.

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Jay C  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:47:02am

re: #227 makeitstop

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She’s ready to kick some ass.

OMG! She’s wearing a tan suit!
The horror!
The scandal!!!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:48:48am

re: #231 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

All the GOP is a bunch of dicks acting like dicks, they think it is clever.

So sick of it.

Alternative is what? Being honest about their hypocrisy and complete lack of integrity, lack of belief in public service, and absolute loyalty to a party and President that essentially have none of the core values and behaviors that are supposed to define America?

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mmmirele  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:50:08am

re: #188 jaunte

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:51:30am

re: #143 ckkatz

Basically, the pollsters expect that the in person voters will be mostly Republican voters while the mail in voters will largely be Democratic.

The obvious problem here is that Republicans are cramming most of their votes into a day they’re also trying to fill with chaos and likely street violence. This tactic is very likely to heavily suppress their own vote. They’ll try to target urban districts but it’s real hard to eliminate the splash back when you’re carpet bombing at low altitude.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:52:18am
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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:53:15am

re: #230 Hecuba’s daughter

But many are probably like me: voting early at an official early polling place, not by mail. And the only reason I may not be voting on the first day is that I have to review what to do about the dozens of judges that typically show up on our ballots.

what im finding interesting is that if 60 odd percent vote early the entire campaigning dynamic should change. it’s got to be way earlier. who sees that? who’s gonna react accordingly?

tv ads were already slipping in value and now become even far less valuable

an october surprise is almost meaningless with so many votes already banked

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:54:30am

re: #234 mmmirele

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simple question, mike.
how did he shut the entire american economy down?
give us specific actions and citations with dates

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:55:31am

re: #211 Eclectic Cyborg

Fun fact: Trump didn’t shut down shit. GOVERNORS made the decisions to lock their states down.

Fun fact: Trump objected to those states shutting things down. He actively sought to sabotage those efforts. He actively attacked the governors, including Whitmer and Cuomo and Murphy for shutting things down because Trump valued the economy more than public health and safety, and now we have none of that - we have a shattered economy and 200,000 dead Americans.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:56:33am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:58:07am

re: #233 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Alternative is what? Being honest about their hypocrisy and complete lack of integrity, lack of belief in public service, and absolute loyalty to a party and President that essentially have none of the core values and behaviors that are supposed to define America?

That is what the total GOP has been, especially since the Gingrich revolution. But Reagan and Grover Norquist ( of “My goal is to … get [government] down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub” fame) also played major roles in kneecapping the federal government.

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 9:59:58am

re: #217 mmmirele

Last month, and on a lark, I filed a dispute with Experian over the derogatory marks on my credit from the evil mortgage company. The mortgage company issue is ongoing, but Experian actually removed the item a week ago. I just got an email from them with the results, but this was after I’d logged into my bank account and saw my FICO score had shot up over 100 points.

Lessons learned:
* Derogatory items on your credit can REALLY take a toll.
* File a complaint if the credit report is in error. Much to my great surprise, it worked.

Rules:
1) always request credit reports from all 3 agencies on an annual basis. That’s your right to review.
2) Correct wrong/inaccurate info ASAP since that affects your credit scores.
3) Credit scores affect everything else you do, from mortgage interest rates to credit cards to bank accounts.
4) see (1)
5) do (2)
Rinse and repeat.

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Jay C  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:03:19am

re: #238 dangerman

simple question, mike.
how did he shut the entire american economy down?
give us specific actions and citations with dates

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He can’t.
None of them can, because this assertion is just gaslighting bullshit in a desperate attempt to rewrite history (kinda hard when it’s only a few months ago) to make Trump look good, and deflect attention from his catastrophic failures in dealing with this pandemic.
Yeah, I know 2020 has been one of those historical bitches of a year, but I can certainly recall March - I live in NYC, and it was definitely “shut down” due to the pandemic - but I also recall Trump (and most Republicans) generally dismissing the severity of the virus, blithely assuming that it was mainly/only an “urban” issue, and - most notably - trying to AVOID calling for “a shutdown of the economy” (which they still, really haven’t).

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nines09  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:05:13am

re: #188 jaunte

They pulled it down.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:05:15am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:07:19am
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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:07:52am

re: #243 Jay C

He can’t.
None of them can, because this assertion is just gaslighting bullshit in a desperate attempt to rewrite history (kinda hard when it’s only a few months ago) to make Trump look good, and deflect attention from his catastrophic failures in dealing with this pandemic.
Yeah, I know 2020 has been one of those historical bitches of a year, but I can certainly recall March - I live in NYC, and it was definitely “shut down” due to the pandemic - but I also recall Trump (and most Republicans) generally dismissing the severity of the virus, blithely assuming that it was mainly/only an “urban” issue, and - most notably - trying to AVOID calling for “a shutdown of the economy” (which they still, really haven’t).

Trump never shut down the airlines (you know, one of those things that wuold happen if he actually shut down the economy). He never instituted screening or mandates on masking across entire aviation industry. Rather, he fixated on claim that he stopped people flying from China (he didn’t), and then Europe (he didn’t), and then UK (he didn’t).

People were still flying. It’s companies that stopped flying and risking their employees. People saw the risks and stopped flying. They aren’t returning to normal conditions because we aren’t in normal conditions.

Countries across world are now dealing with new outbreaks and instituting lockdowns and masking protocols to deal with localized outbreaks.

Israel, which had been handling things pretty well has gone into meltdown mode because the orthodox communities have decided that shutdowns are targeting them (because they’re the ones where we’re seeing the outbreaks). Bibi’s got a huge mess on his hands.

And other countries are spewing the same kind of Trumpist bulkshit. They are predictably doing worse than those that followed the health expert guidance.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:08:11am

re: #241 Hecuba’s daughter

That is what the total GOP has been, especially since the Gingrich revolution. But Reagan and Grover Norquist ( of “My goal is to … get [government] down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub” fame) also played major roles in kneecapping the federal government.

Tom Nichols, The Atlantic

: “I was a Republican for most of my adult life….

“I understand the attachment to that GOP, even among those who have sworn to defeat Donald Trump, but the time for sentimentality is over. That party is long gone. Today the Republicans are the party of ‘American carnage’ and Russian collusion, of scams, plots, and weapons-grade contempt for the rule of law. The only decent, sensible, and conservative position is to vote against this Republican Party at every level, and bring the sad final days of a once-great political institution to an end. Then build the party back up again—from scratch.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:09:18am

re: #245 Charles Johnson

Do we know for sure it was Pence that deleted it and not Twitter?

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:11:40am

re: #249 Eclectic Cyborg

Do we know for sure it was Pence that deleted it and not Twitter?

Wouldn’t Twitter at least put up a notice that they removed the tweet?

Looks like Pence got caught in a lie and bailed.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:14:01am

Dame Enid Diana Elizabeth Rigg, DBE (20 July 1938 - 10 September 2020)

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gocart mozart  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:14:08am
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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:20:07am

re: #244 nines09

They pulled it down.

It says something when the Prez or in this case VP tweets something that’s gotta be taken down within hours

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:22:09am

re: #251 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Dame Enid Diana Elizabeth Rigg, DBE (20 July 1938 - 10 September 2020)

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She was my nominee for “Early Hot TV Star” a couple days ago.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:23:34am

Just listened to an NPR report on a small town in Colorado in which several inhabitants interviewed are getting tired of BOTH SIDES screwing up the pandemic response.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:25:00am

re: #244 nines09

They pulled it down.

Trump wants to deny shutting the country down, when it is convenient for him.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:25:25am

re: #250 makeitstop

Wouldn’t Twitter at least put up a notice that they removed the tweet?

Looks like Pence got caught in a lie and bailed.

Imo not so much caught as being so avalanched they couldn’t *maintain* the lie

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:25:53am
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Belafon  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:26:48am

re: #255 jaunte

Just listened to an NPR report on a small town in Colorado in which several inhabitants interviewed are getting tired of BOTH SIDES screwing up the pandemic response.

“Why won’t both Presidents Trump and Biden do something?”

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:27:48am

re: #258 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Tony Bennett unavailable for comment.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:28:20am

re: #259 Belafon

The fake balance is getting insane.

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wrenchwench  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:28:45am

re: #246 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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That’s what I’m breathing on my way to and from work. Much less wind this morning. That should help some.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:30:18am

re: #259 Belafon

“Why won’t both Presidents Trump and Biden do something?”

And that Obama guy! He did nothing. //

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:32:10am

re: #257 dangerman

Imo not so much caught as being so avalanched they couldn’t *maintain* the lie

That makes sense.

Interesting that he tweeted that from his personal account and not the official @VP account. Just following Trumps lead I guess?

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:32:25am

re: #258 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

The Decameron had a story like that. Only, if I recall, a lover found her boyfriend’s head in a cup. Very GoT.

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retired cynic  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:34:05am

re: #265 Sherlock Hound

I assume it was a shrunken head?

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retired cynic  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:35:31am
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Jay C  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:35:54am

BTW, in case anyone wants a brief, if thorough, rundown on Treasury’s latest actions re Andrii Derkach (and Rudy Giuliani’s complicity), Adam Silverman at Balloon Juice has a new post up.

“Shorter”: Rudy is being a stooge for the Russians, the “Biden/Ukraine” “scandals” are basically manufactured bullshit, OANN are hack tools for publicizing it.

Like we didn’t already know this crap, but now it’s semi-official….

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:36:31am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:36:52am

re: #266 retired cynic

I assume it was a shrunken head?

Or, a big cup

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wrenchwench  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:38:30am

I now have a favorite pinned tweet. Who knew that would ever happen..

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:38:46am

re: #266 retired cynic

Not the tweet I was going for, sorry.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:39:11am

I believe there’s gonna be a fight….

“Twitter announced Thursday that it is expanding its policies against election-related misinformation, setting new rules that will likely force the platform to more aggressively fact-check President Donald Trump during the final months of the 2020 campaign,” CNN reports.

The company will either add fact-check labels to or hide altogether tweets that contain “false or misleading information that causes confusion” about election rules, or posts with “unverified information about election rigging.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:40:03am

re: #273 dangerman

Oh, Donnie is going to love that.

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gwangung  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:40:28am

re: #273 dangerman

I’ll believe it when it happens.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:41:47am

re: #266 retired cynic

I assume it was a shrunken head?

Yes. But I may have confused this story; I believe, on second thought, that the lady found her boyfriend’s head in a flower pot. Still très GoT.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:46:52am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:49:09am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:50:29am
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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:50:56am
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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:52:11am
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danarchy  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:52:16am

re: #249 Eclectic Cyborg

Do we know for sure it was Pence that deleted it and not Twitter?

Most likely was Trump told him to ditch it because he didn’t want to be tied to the idea of shutting down the economy. He wants to put that all on dems.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:53:31am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:57:38am

re: #283 dangerman

Vulnerable Democrat @SenDougJones votes AGAINST the GOP skinny COVID bill. He said he’s appalled at the “complete lack of leadership when the majority leader here, what he’s done is a disservice to the American people.”

Jones is intelligent, honest, and good-hearted. He will be replaced by Alabamians who think they should be represented by someone who is more like themselves.

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2020 • 10:58:05am

re: #283 dangerman

The House Democrats passed a big relief package in MAY. Democrats had a plan. They passed it.

The GOP refused to act until today. They waited 4 full months before taking a vote on a package that couldn’t get passed their own caucus. McConnell has screwed millions of Americans and adds to the body count and economic wreckage. Trump and GOP don’t have a plan except to run out the clock while McConnell continues packing the courts with right wing lunatics.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 11:00:05am

re: #278 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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sorry, no.

NEW: Senate Republicans rallied around a scaled-down, $300 billion coronavirus relief bill that even Mcconnell admitted wasn’t what he or the Republicans even wanted, but it fell short of the necessary 60-vote majority to advance it, effectively killing the bill.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 11:01:22am

re: #282 danarchy

Most likely was Trump told him to ditch it because he didn’t want to be tied to the idea of shutting down the economy. He wants to put that all on dems.

too late. twitter is forever

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2020 • 11:04:08am

re: #285 lawhawk

The House Democrats passed a big relief package in MAY. Democrats had a plan. They passed it.

The GOP refused to act until today. They waited 4 full months before taking a vote on a package that couldn’t get passed their own caucus. McConnell has screwed millions of Americans and adds to the body count and economic wreckage. Trump and GOP don’t have a plan except to run out the clock while McConnell continues packing the courts with right wing lunatics.

yup.

mcconnell’s plan was to now be able to say the dems ‘voted against’ covid relief.
which isnt remotely true.

it was a procedural vote.
so if this counts as voting ‘against’ a bill, then what i tweeted above about mcconnell means that he has in fact voted against all these things.
‘procedure’ counts, or it doesnt.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 10, 2020 • 11:04:59am

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Don’t know what imp from Hell inspired Trump to self-incriminate on tape, but I’ll buy him a beer if I ever meet him. (Coor’s Light, of course—favorite beer in Hell.)

I thought it is the only beer there, and that’s why it is Hell.

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steve_davis  Sep 10, 2020 • 11:33:47am

re: #170 Dr Lizardo

Fascism is a radically reactionary ideology, and conservatism certainly has a reactionary streak to it. It’s no surprise the two ideologies can work quite nicely together.

ideology works as follows: radicalism is far left, reactionarism is far right. the center is held by (theoretically) liberals to the slight left, republicans to the slight right. Slightly further to the left than liberals (theoretically) are libertarians. Slightly to the right of republicans are tories. a bit to the left of libertarians are socialists. a bit to the right of tories are royalists. a bit further to the left of socialists are communists. a bit further to the right of royalists are fascists. finally, there are anarchists, who will throw bombs in any crowd.


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