Scientific American Endorses Joe Biden - Their First Presidential Endorsement in 175 Years

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This is huge news. America’s most prestigious scientific journal has never endorsed a presidential candidate in their entire 175-year history, but that tradition ends today: Scientific American Endorses Joe Biden - Scientific American.

The evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the U.S. and its people—because he rejects evidence and science. The most devastating example is his dishonest and inept response to the COVID-19 pandemic, which cost more than 190,000 Americans their lives by the middle of September. He has also attacked environmental protections, medical care, and the researchers and public science agencies that help this country prepare for its greatest challenges. That is why we urge you to vote for Joe Biden, who is offering fact-based plans to protect our health, our economy and the environment. These and other proposals he has put forth can set the country back on course for a safer, more prosperous and more equitable future.

Read the whole thing. It’s a matter of life and death.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:25:38am

SCIENCE DOESN’T KNOW ANYTHING! YOU CAN PROVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO WITH FACTS!

p.s. - FT

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:29:45am

“I think it will get cooler, but only after warm weather has killed off the Covid!”

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:34:24am

re: #2 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“I think it will get cooler, but only after warm weather has killed off the Covid!”

Come the 1st snow Trump will claim he was right…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:35:03am

Note: This endorsement comes one day after Trump said “science doesn’t know” what’s causing the wildfires out west.

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piratedan  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:36:22am

there are times when I feel like we’re all currently living thru some strange ass remake of 12 Angry Men and with this coming election we’re still dealing with Lee J. Cobb, EG Marshall and Ed Begley as Trump Voters and we’ll forever be a hung jury.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:38:50am

re: #5 piratedan

there are times when I feel like we’re all currently living thru some strange ass remake of 12 Angry Men and with this coming election we’re still dealing with Lee J. Cobb, EG Marshall and Ed Begley as Trump Voters and we’ll forever be a hung jury.

This election is going to be the biggest procedural clusterfuck ever seen. There is a total lack of goodwill on one side - namely the side that knows it is going to get fewer popular votes.

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jaunte  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:39:01am
“…Stevenson loved language and was a gifted orator. A sharp wit, he could be both high-minded and self-deprecating. In one oft-quoted story, a supporter shouted, “Governor Stevenson, you have the vote of all the thinking people,” to which he replied, “That’s not enough, madam. I need a majority.” New York Herald Tribune columnist Stewart Alsop coined the term “egghead” to describe the urbane, intellectual, and balding Stevenson.
…………
His political opponents in 1952 were vicious: Vice presidential nominee Richard Nixon, red-baiting Senator Joseph McCarthy, and FBI director J. Edgar Hoover smeared the Stevenson campaign as a bunch of “pinks and pansies.”

In response, Stevenson quipped, “I would make a proposition to my Republican friends … that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.”
uuworld.org

The GOP has been the anti-science, anti-thought party for my entire life.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:40:32am

re: #6 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This election is going to be the biggest procedural clusterfuck ever seen. There is a total lack of goodwill on one side - namely the side that knows it is going to get fewer popular votes.

And that side gives no shits about breaking the law multiple times over to achieve their goal.

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jaunte  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:40:45am

Now some never-Trump Republicans are asking “how did this happen?”
When was it ever different?

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dangerman  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:40:45am

re: #5 piratedan

there are times when I feel like we’re all currently living thru some strange ass remake of 12 Angry Men and with this coming election we’re still dealing with Lee J. Cobb, EG Marshall and Ed Begley as Trump Voters and we’ll forever be a hung jury.

+1 for citing the original and not the remakes

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A Cranky One  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:42:16am

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jaunte  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:42:22am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:43:13am

re: #12 jaunte

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Yeah that’s a stupid take.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:43:16am

Afternoon Lizardim from beneath the haze of wildfire smoke. How go things among the lizardfolk on this eerie summer-like Tuesday?

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dangerman  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:43:45am

from downstairs

Politico:

25 years wiped out in 25 weeks

and 288

further, here’s the likely reason why. Social Programs:

Unlike the official poverty measure, the SPM (Supplemental Poverty Measure) counts income from non-cash programs such as:

- Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as the Food Stamp Program)
- rental assistance
- refundable tax credits for low- and moderate-income families — the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and Child Tax Credit
- Social Security
- unemployment insurance

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:44:17am

re: #13 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah that’s a stupid take.

It doesn’t even have an internal logic to it that I can see.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:45:00am

re: #16 calochortus

It doesn’t even have an internal logic to it that I can see.

Biden isn’t Bernie, therefore bad.

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:45:52am

re: #14 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Afternoon Lizardim from beneath the haze of wildfire smoke. How go things among the lizardfolk on this eerie summer-like Tuesday?

Hey, we’ve dropped into the “breathing won’t kill much of anyone” range (aqi of 92)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:46:38am

re: #18 calochortus

Hey, we’ve dropped into the “breathing won’t kill much of anyone” range (aqi of 92)

Yeah, but you’re still getting your smoke all over us. Mrs. Fish was thoroughly entertained by the blood-red sunrise, though.

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:46:40am

re: #17 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Biden isn’t Bernie, therefore bad.

Ummm. Sure.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:46:57am

re: #17 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Biden isn’t Bernie, therefore bad.

They’re bored by Biden because he’s what an actual political leader should be and not a cult of personality like Bernie or Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:46:58am

re: #12 jaunte

That baseball dude is a fucking moron. In other words, a right wing intellectual.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:47:24am

re: #20 calochortus

Ummm. Sure.

Sorry. Whenever I see an article that states, “Joe Biden is bad for America,” and doesn’t have an explicit rationale, I always assume the implicit default that the writer is a Berner.

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:49:24am

re: #23 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sorry. Whenever I see an article that states, “Joe Biden is bad for America,” and doesn’t have an explicit rationale, I always assume the implicit default that the writer is a Berner.

And there’s the problem. You have to know who all these people are-and let’s face it. I don’t and I’m not going to waste my time doing it. But, sincere thanks to all the Lizards who do keep up on the fringe for the rest of us.

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lawhawk  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:49:35am

re: #14 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It feels like a crisp fall day here in the NYC metro. First time in months frankly…

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jaunte  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:49:36am

re: #23 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

He means “bad for the country” strictly because Joe Biden would implement Democratic policies. People might like it.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:50:08am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:50:52am

re: #25 lawhawk

It feels like a crisp fall day here in the NYC metro. First time in months frankly…

We’re having a short heat wave amongst the fall weather. Should be back down into the 50-60 degree F (10-15.6 degree C) range in the next couple of days.

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stpaulbear  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:53:09am

re: #19 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yeah, but you’re still getting your smoke all over us. Mrs. Fish was thoroughly entertained by the blood-red sunrise, though.

Were you around MN for the sunrises and sunsets just after Mt. St. Helen’s blew up? Those were pretty amazing. The haze in the air here now is just kind of disorienting to me. I feel so bad for people trying to survive the thick of it.

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retired cynic  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:53:24am

re: #19 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yeah, but you’re still getting your smoke all over us. Mrs. Fish was thoroughly entertained by the blood-red sunrise, though.

We had a hazy red sunset yesterday, with the sun faded to the point you could easily look at it. I tried a camera photo, but it wouldn’t be good enough to show. And that means the smoke has gotten to IL.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:54:30am

re: #29 stpaulbear

Were you around MN for the sunrises and sunsets just after Mt. St. Helen’s blew up? Those were pretty amazing. The haze in the air here now is just kind of disorienting. I feel so bad for people trying to survive the thick of it.

I wasn’t even alive for Mt. St. Helens. I do remember seeing high-altitude haze like this during the recent Canadian wildfires a couple of years back. This is almost no impact on our breathable air quality, IIRC - it looks weird and a bit disquieting, but at least we can live with it. I don’t envy my West Coast friends in the least.

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jaunte  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:55:30am
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Jay C  Sep 15, 2020 • 11:55:39am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

That baseball dude is a fucking moron. In other words, a right wing intellectual.

Yes: seeing this quote credited to Dan McLaughlin, I’m guessing that his notions of “healthy” and “unhealthy” outcomes translate to something like: “a Biden win will mean that Democrats will turn the country into Radical Atheist Sovietstan and go all-out to cancel white people

I know Dan is a serious Baseball Guy, but the “Crank” part of his nym is way more salient….

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William Lewis  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:01:54pm

Way the bleep off topic - it’s the Krag again…

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:02:13pm

re: #14 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Afternoon Lizardim from beneath the haze of wildfire smoke. How go things among the lizardfolk on this eerie summer-like Tuesday?

Air quality “moderate” here for the first time in days. Enjoy our smoke, this too will pass.

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Jay C  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:03:01pm

re: #30 retired cynic

We had a hazy red sunset yesterday, with the sun faded to the point you could easily look at it. I tried a camera photo, but it wouldn’t be good enough to show. And that means the smoke has gotten to IL.

We had a “hazy red sunset” yesterday in NYC as well: which the radio mentioned and credited to “smoke from the Western fires”.
Obviously, the effects of inadequate raking…..

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Jay C  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:05:07pm

re: #34 William Lewis

Way the bleep off topic - it’s the Krag again…

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OK, William: serious technical armaments question:
Are/were those diamond inlays in the stock standard design for the rifle, or are they “aftermarket”??

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:05:21pm

GAH!

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jaunte  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:05:56pm

re: #34 William Lewis

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:07:51pm

Trump prefers trees that don’t get burned.

/

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:08:02pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:08:17pm

re: #34 William Lewis

Way the bleep off topic - it’s the Krag again…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:08:37pm
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Mike Lamb  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:09:53pm

re: #41 Dread Pirate Ron

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Has Trump issued individual sanctions against the panel that made that decision yet?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:12:41pm

re: #32 jaunte

Matthew Chapman
@fawfulfan
The choice is clear, America.

You can elect Joe Biden, who has a $2 trillion plan to make our energy production sustainable and fight the effects of climate change.

Or you can elect Donald Trump, who thinks California is burning because they haven’t been raking their forests.

For those who have joined the cult, every word from Trump’s lips is a pearl of wisdom. Our Trumpster brother, who has an engineering degree from U of I, repeats this nonsense whenever we discuss the fires out west. Their minds are broken and it’s unclear what can restore them to sanity.

At least he believes the pandemic is real, though deaths are on blue state governors. And he believes that we are not in particular danger from a serious case of Covid because he thinks that we are not suffering from the comorbidities that make the disease more deadly (but my sister and I have both had cancer, I’ve had open heart surgery and high cholesterol, and he has high blood pressure that is controlled by medication).

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:13:13pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

GAH!

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jaunte  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:13:40pm

re: #45 Hecuba’s daughter

Does he actually defend the raking the forests idea, or does he just glide over it without comment?

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piratedan  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:15:36pm

re: #47 jaunte

its like anything else that Trump does… out of mouth, out of mind…

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:15:41pm

re: #46 calochortus

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:15:56pm

re: #47 jaunte

Does he actually defend the raking the forests idea, or does he just glide over it without comment?

Forest raking is a stupid idea, however, I do give non-westerners a bit of a break on not understanding the fire ecology of the west and the results of a century of fire suppression. Things are different here.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:16:02pm

re: #47 jaunte

Does he actually defend the raking the forests idea, or does he just glide over it without comment?

He repeatedly and explicitly defends that idea.

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:17:23pm

re: #51 Hecuba’s daughter

He repeatedly and explicitly defends that idea.

And to be technical, our forests are mostly conifers, so there would be few leaves to rake.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:17:25pm

re: #51 Hecuba’s daughter

He repeatedly and explicitly defends that idea.

Let me guess, he thinks that Trump’s right about the need for logging companies to go in there and remove “dead wood” to reduce fire risks.

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jaunte  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:17:46pm

re: #51 Hecuba’s daughter

Raking 20,061,888 acres. Get him to do the math.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:18:50pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Let me guess, he thinks that Trump’s right about the need for logging companies to go in there and remove “dead wood” to reduce fire risks.

He’s never mentioned logging companies.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:19:26pm

Cases are seriously spiking in India. They’re about to join the US in the 5 million club any day now.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:19:28pm

re: #55 Hecuba’s daughter

He’s never mentioned logging companies.

But he does think that the problem is nobody’s going in to remove “dead wood”?

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:20:28pm

re: #54 jaunte

Raking 20,061,888 acres. Get him to do the math.

57% of that is Federal forest and therefore Trump’s responsibility.

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:20:44pm

re: #54 jaunte

Last month. This was 15 miles west of my house.

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piratedan  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:21:07pm

re: #54 jaunte

with quality American labor! (meaning white people), all needles and leaves to be shipped to the My Pillow guy as resource materiel.

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:21:15pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Let me guess, he thinks that Trump’s right about the need for logging companies to go in there and remove “dead wood” to reduce fire risks.

That would actually be fine. The problem is that there is no money in doing so.
I keep seeing over and over on conservative sites that we need to let loggers go in and remove dead and damaged trees as well as the overgrown brush and small trees that feed the fires. I cannot recall reading anywhere about a logging company refused access to do so. They have to be bribed by letting them take out the big stuff too, which is not a great idea.

There may be places and situations where commercial loggers can make money on the stuff that needs to be removed, but these forests aren’t those places.

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danarchy  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:22:04pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

Cases are seriously spiking in India. They’re about to join the US in the 5 million club any day now.

They are probably already there. Was just watching a BBC report about hospitals turning away patients because they are over capacity and telling them to go to private hospitals, which of course most can’t afford.

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:22:23pm

re: #54 jaunte

Raking 20,061,888 acres. Get him to do the math.

60% of CA’s forested land is under federal control. Why isn’t the Trump administration raking those forests?

(I see I’m a bit late with that comment.)

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:22:32pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

But he does think that the problem is nobody’s going in to remove “dead wood”?

We have never pursued how dead wood is to be removed. Maybe that should be a topic of conversation. He only discussed how the farmers/ranchers in Texas made changes to their land management to reduce fires there — a totally different environment and situation.

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jaunte  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:23:09pm

re: #63 calochortus

The whole argument is designed to avoid admitting climate change.

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dangerman  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:25:34pm

re: #33 Jay C

Yes: seeing this quote credited to Dan McLaughlin, I’m guessing that his notions of “healthy” and “unhealthy” outcomes translate to something like: “a Biden win will mean that Democrats will turn the country into Radical Atheist Sovietstan and go all-out to cancel white people

I know Dan is a serious Baseball Guy, but the “Crank” part of his nym is way more salient….

theyve been saying this scary shit forever and no democratic president has ever even tried, let alone done anything like this

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ckkatz  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:26:19pm

re: #34 William Lewis

Cool project!

It seems to me that the major rifle/pistol development of the past 40 years has been in optics. High quality lenses, mass production of excellent scopes, red-dot, etc…

You point that out perfectly by putting a modern red-dot scopes on a 120 year old rifle. Something that the original Krag design team had never even envisioned.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:26:48pm

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

We have never pursued how dead wood is to be removed. Maybe that should be a topic of conversation. He only discussed how the farmers/ranchers in Texas made changes to their land management to reduce fires there — a totally different environment and situation.

Yeah, it helps when you personally own the land and can make those changes.

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:26:50pm

re: #65 jaunte

The whole argument is designed to avoid admitting climate change.

Well, yes. Along with the argument that climate change didn’t cause the fires, arsonists did. Which isn’t true in most cases (human caused ≠ arson) and implies that arson is a very recent development.

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Jay C  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:27:30pm

re: #65 jaunte

The whole argument is designed to avoid admitting climate change.

True, but also, AFAIC, the “whole argument” is to avoid admitting that the Trump Administration (or the US government in general - it’s questionable whether Trump sees any difference) has ANY responsibility for ANYTHING. Anything that doesn’t make The Donald look good, that is: anything that discredits the Administration/makes him look bad is, of course, always and eternally Someone Else’s Fault…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:27:55pm

re: #69 calochortus

Well, yes. Along with the argument that climate change didn’t cause the fires, arsonists did. Which isn’t true in most cases (human caused ≠ arson) and implies that arson is a very recent development.

Who put Black Lives Matter in charge of firefighting on Federal land?

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:28:23pm

re: #69 calochortus

Well, yes. Along with the argument that climate change didn’t cause the fires, arsonists did. Which isn’t true in most cases (human caused ≠ arson) and implies that arson is a very recent development.

The counter-argument in that case is that these “arsonists” wouldn’t be so successful if the forests weren’t one big tinderbox awaiting a match.

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dangerman  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:28:50pm

re: #54 jaunte

Raking 20,061,888 acres. Get him to do the math.

“put them welfare people to work”…. (George Carlin, adapted)

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dangerman  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:29:42pm

re: #58 Dread Pirate Ron

57% of that is Federal forest and therefore Trump’s responsibility.

nope. not from Mr. “I don’t take responsibility at all”

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:31:44pm

I’m going to go way out on a limb and suggest that we (in the country as a whole) might want to quit pointing fingers (yes, suppressing all fires used to be the “environmental” position along with everyone else’s. Knowledge evolves along with best practices ) and just try to fix the problem.
I know it wouldn’t be as much fun as blaming liberals, but it might be cost effective in the long run.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:32:13pm
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makeitstop  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:34:01pm

re: #36 Jay C

We had a “hazy red sunset” yesterday in NYC as well: which the radio mentioned and credited to “smoke from the Western fires”.
Obviously, the effects of inadequate raking…..

It’s kind of almost sunny here on LI today, like there’s a layer of film between the sun and the ground. I’m inclined to believe it’s smoke.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:35:10pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:36:03pm

re: #78 Dread Pirate Ron

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Because the last trade war Trump started went SO well for us./////////////

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stpaulbear  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:36:59pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

I called my rep and one of my senators this morning to ask them to do what they can to get this fucking guy out of office. Hopefully he self-destructs himself out of the job.

If he’s citing mental health issues, will authorities feel the need to clear all of his guns and ammo out of the house?

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ckkatz  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:38:58pm

On Trump and forest fires…

I cannot say what his thinking was…

But the effort seemed to be directed at two things:

1. Seizing control of the narrative and,

2. Disrupting and demeaning others’ work on climate change and public safety issues.

Which makes it into a zero-sum game. And redefines the problem to “who is in control” rather than solving a threat to public safety effort.

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:40:43pm

Good news out of Georgia.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:49:42pm

re: #34 William Lewis

Way the bleep off topic - it’s the Krag again…

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Citizen K  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:50:40pm

They’re trying their best to ensure the ratfuck is in.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:51:01pm

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William Lewis  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:51:50pm

re: #37 Jay C

OK, William: serious technical armaments question:
Are/were those diamond inlays in the stock standard design for the rifle, or are they “aftermarket”??

I wish I knew the person who did that inlay. It’s really high quality work.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:52:59pm

re: #84 Citizen K

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They’re trying their best to ensure the ratfuck is in.

These are not the words of an Attorney General, they’re the words of a mob enforcer. “Gee, that’s a nice electoral system you got there, would be a shame if ‘something’ were to happen to it…”

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:53:26pm

First yard sign went up today in my front yard. All the local Democratic Party had was Biden/Harris signs. I took one but I really wanted a Diane Mitsch Bush sign. The nice lady who gave me the Biden/Harris sign says hopefully she’ll have Diane signs sometime next week. By the end of next week I hope to have three signs in the yard, the Biden/Harris sign, a Hickenlooper sign, and a Diane sign.

Lauren Boebert is truly a mini Trump, in just about every conceivable way. This well-reported story lays it out: tax evasion, white supremacy, being a blustery blowhard, lying about everything large and small, all sloganeering zero policy, on and on.

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dangerman  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:53:35pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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we’ve always known that a president can fill his admin with people who agree with his/her agenda. that’s the job after all and the consequence of winning.

what we’ve learned these last 4 years is that a president can fill his admin with people who have zero relevance to the job, zero qualifications, and be totally incompetent and there’s little or nothing that can be done practically

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:56:37pm

re: #89 dangerman

we’ve always known that a president can fill his admin with people who agree with his/her agenda. that’s the job after all and the consequence of winning.

what we’ve learned these last 4 years is that a president can fill his admin with people who have zero relevance to the job, zero qualifications, and be totally incompetent and there’s little or nothing that can be done practically

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It helps when you not only have a Senate majority of willing accomplices and, a politically-corrupted DOJ, and a total devotion to abusing the fuck out of the laws meant to prevent “acting” officials to do whatever the fuck they want without consequence.

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William Lewis  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:57:18pm

re: #83 Decatur Deb

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 15, 2020 • 12:59:06pm

Amusing thread that will make you want to hurl.

In a good way, not like in a MAGA way..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:01:15pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

To move on from gun schtick to politics, Boebert had ditched her dyed-blonde and flannel-shirt persona and adopted Palin-style glasses and long, dark hair. Like Palin, she honed a steady stream of crowd-pleasing, quick-draw insults aimed at anyone who didn’t share her ultraconservative views. Those who did ate it up.

Sure, emulating Sarah Palin seems like a winning strategy.

//

Also:

Boebert has glossed over any mention of a father. She has not explained why she has two birth dates in official records. She has not responded to questions about what the “multiracial” background is that she has listed on official forms. She has touted her business success but has not mentioned her brief, unsuccessful turn at running a golf club restaurant in Rifle. She has not included in her bootstraps biography the fact that she was evicted from her Rifle home in 2010 before a foreclosure. And there has been no mention of her failure to vote in at least four primary elections prior to this year’s primary.

Boebert was reached for comment on her cell phone number, which was included in a police report. But she said she was just going into a meeting and would have to speak to her campaign manager. She never responded again and neither did anyone from her campaign.

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John Hughes  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:03:31pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

Note: This endorsement comes one day after Trump said “science doesn’t know” what’s causing the wildfires out west.

Trump is just missing the obvious — the rise in atmospheric CO2 is accompanied with a fall in atmospheric O2. No free oxygen, no forest fires.

Global warming may be the cause of forest fires over the short term, but give it enough time and it will be the long term solution.

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Jay C  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:05:33pm

re: #94 John Hughes

Trump is just missing the obvious — the rise in atmospheric CO2 is accompanied with a fall in atmospheric O2. No free oxygen, no forest fires.

Global warming may be the cause of forest fires over the short term, but give it enough time and it will be the long term solution.

Yeah, there we go: IT’S SCIENCE!!!
No oxygen, no fires!
Simple!

(Just waiting for this to be the next Republican campaign slogan….)

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Thanos  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:08:00pm

re: #54 jaunte

Raking 20,061,888 acres. Get him to do the math.

after that maybe we can figure out how many immigrants are needed for the task :)

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Belafon  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:08:23pm

re: #66 dangerman

theyve been saying this scary shit forever and no democratic president has ever even tried, let alone done anything like this

Democrats keep telling people we have to rely on each other, which means we’re all forsaking the hand of God.

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:09:46pm

re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg

She’s got better than even odds of winning. My congressional district hasn’t had a Democrat represent it in 10 years, Republican presidential candidates have carried the district for decades, Fuckface carried the district by 12 points.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:10:46pm

re: #98 teleskiguy

She’s got better than even odds of winning. My congressional district hasn’t had a Democrat represent it in 10 years, Republican presidential candidates have carried the district for decades, Fuckface carried the district by 12 points.

I feel you. I live in one of the reddest areas in the country.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:11:06pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

First yard sign went up today in my front yard. All the local Democratic Party had was Biden/Harris signs. I took one but I really wanted a Diane Mitsch Bush sign. The nice lady who gave me the Biden/Harris sign says hopefully she’ll have Diane signs sometime next week. By the end of next week I hope to have three signs in the yard, the Biden/Harris sign, a Hickenlooper sign, and a Diane sign.

Lauren Boebert is truly a mini Trump, in just about every conceivable way. This well-reported story lays it out: tax evasion, white supremacy, being a blustery blowhard, lying about everything large and small, all sloganeering zero policy, on and on.

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Any current polling on that race? Last I saw DMB was up a point, but that was from a month ago.

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makeitstop  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:14:30pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:17:34pm

re: #29 stpaulbear

I was seeing pretty great sunsets in western Massachusetts from the Mt. St Helens ash.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:17:40pm

re: #101 makeitstop

LOL

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Not the best LP add, but my favorite. OMG. Brilliant.

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:17:55pm
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John Hughes  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:20:23pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

Cases are seriously spiking in India. They’re about to join the US in the 5 million club any day now.

Yes, but they’re at 3,563 cases/million. The US is at 19,889 cases/million.

91-divoc.com

In new cases they’re at 67.4 cases/million (rolling 7 day average) compared to the US at 109.6.

91-divoc.com

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:21:37pm

re: #100 Mike Lamb

Any current polling on that race? Last I saw DMB was up a point, but that was from a month ago.

It’s statistically tied. Though we’ve got a pretty bad third party problem. Diane lost to Scott Tipton by 26,000 votes two years ago, 17,000 people voted third party. The largest voting bloc in the district is Independent/Unaffiliated.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:24:14pm

re: #104 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

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Man who made sexual remarks about a 15 year old girl is calling others paedophiles.

In a related story, Irony was found this morning in a ditch deceased, the victim of two gun shots to the back of the head at close range./////

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Belafon  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:25:59pm
As Donald Trump’s horrific handling of the coronavirus dominates the media landscape, Republican candidates are doing their level best in their campaign ads to entirely erase Trump from voters’ minds.

During the primary season, Republicans featured Trump in 42% of their ads, according to Wall Street Journal reporting informed by Kantar/CMAG. But in the general election, Trump has snuck into just 4% of GOP ads—almost like Republican candidates are ghosting him in the general.

dailykos.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:27:31pm

re: #105 John Hughes

Yes, but they’re at 3,563 cases/million. The US is at 19,889 cases/million.

91-divoc.com

In new cases they’re at 67.4 cases/million (rolling 7 day average) compared to the US at 109.6.

91-divoc.com

We pay a high price for freedom, don’t we?

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:28:58pm

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

We pay a high price for freedom, don’t we?

/

that tree of liberty ain’t gonna water itself…

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John Hughes  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:30:06pm

re: #95 Jay C

When you get right down to it what we’re doing is simply fixing the worst pollution event in the history of the world — the oxygen catastrophe — which destroyed almost all life on earth.

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Belafon  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:30:41pm

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that tree of liberty ain’t gonna water itself…

The problem with that is the virus likes to consume red blood cells.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:30:48pm

re: #34 William Lewis

Way the bleep off topic - it’s the Krag again…

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makeitstop  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:31:08pm

re: #103 I Would Prefer Not To

Not the best LP add, but my favorite. OMG. Brilliant.

Quite a tell, too. He doesn’t think he has to even prepare for the debates.

Biden’s gonna clean his clock.

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John Hughes  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:34:15pm

re: #114 makeitstop

Quite a tell, too. He doesn’t think he has to even prepare for the debates.

Biden’s gonna clean his clock.

Do you seriously think there are going to be any debates?

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:35:34pm

re: #115 John Hughes

Do you seriously think there are going to be any debates?

There’s going to be at least one debate, if only so Donny can then accuse the media of being “unfair” to him during it and thus won’t be participating any further and Pence will also be canceling his own debate appearance.

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Belafon  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:35:53pm

re: #115 John Hughes

Do you seriously think there are going to be any debates?

I think Biden wants to, and “coward” is a very effective taunt against Trump.

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makeitstop  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:41:13pm

re: #115 John Hughes

Do you seriously think there are going to be any debates?

One, maybe, and only as a result of Trump’s hubris. He actually believes that Biden is in a mental fog.

Once Joe gets done kicking his ass around the stage for 2 hours, they’ll find a whole lot of reasons not to have another one.

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dell*nix  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:41:50pm

These days remind me of a John Ringo “Dark Tide Rising” book. If the primary flu infection did not get you, the zombie conversion would. Not a fun world to survive in.

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John Hughes  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:41:51pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

There’s going to be at least one debate, if only so Donny can then accuse the media of being “unfair” to him during it and thus won’t be participating any further and Pence will also be canceling his own debate appearance.

Unless Trump, and everyone else around him, is totally delusional I’m expecting them to claim the debates are rigged and pull out a couple of days before the first one.

Of course Trump and the people around him are mostly delusional, so I might be wrong.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:46:02pm

re: #120 John Hughes

Trumps ego won’t let him pull out of the debate. If he does, Biden will just call him a coward. Trump couldn’t handle that. He’ll show.

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makeitstop  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:46:52pm

re: #120 John Hughes

Unless Trump, and everyone else around him, is totally delusional I’m expecting them to claim the debates are rigged and pull out a couple of days before the first one.

Of course Trump and the people around him are mostly delusional, so I might be wrong.

The delusion is way high in that Trump bubble. He’s surrounded by True Believers at this point, since all the (comparatively) sane people have been run out of town.

They’ll save the accusations of rigged debates until after Trump fucks it all up.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:50:35pm

re: #120 John Hughes

Unless Trump, and everyone else around him, is totally delusional I’m expecting them to claim the debates are rigged and pull out a couple of days before the first one.

Of course Trump and the people around him are mostly delusional, so I might be wrong.

The only “person” Donny listens to is his own ego. And his ego has been so bruised in recent months by suggestions that he’s unfit and possibly suffered mental impairment, that bowing out of a debate with a guy who he’s regularly accused of being “senile” would be a major blow to said ego. So he’s gonna show up, if only to then have one of his staff cut together a video of “gaffes” from Joe to say “proves” that he’s too gone mentally to be trusted with the presidency.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:53:37pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

GMTA

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A Cranky One  Sep 15, 2020 • 1:57:24pm

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

We have never pursued how dead wood is to be removed. >

Vote for democrats?

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:00:39pm

Another point in favor of Donny showing up for at least one debate: He’s still working on a 2016 mindset, where his ability to avoid shitting his drawers on live TV was hailed as “presidential” by a press who had lowered the bar to the floor of Satan’s wine cellar. He still thinks he’s gonna be able to “dominate” the debate despite the formats being totally different, where he can’t play to a crowd and stomp around like a fucking golem. And he expects Joe to act like Hillary, smiling and giving polite “laughter” whenever Donny tries to bully him into keeping quiet.

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stpaulbear  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:01:23pm

I’m thinking that both sides will show up for the debate and the results will be a confused mess that the media can’t bring into any kind of perspective and Trump will claim total exoneration. Why should it be different than anything that’s already happened.

I don’t think that a Trump victory would follow, I just think that the first and maybe all of the debates are going to be a shitshow.

Edit: I said it before and I’ll say it again. Trump’s only goal in a debate will be to get Joe to stutter.

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KGxvi  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:01:33pm

The debates are going to be a shitshow this year. More so than they were in 2016. And the thing is, they probably aren’t going to move the needle much. Trump’s favorables are not going to improve, which means, unless Biden literally (not figuratively) soils himself on stage, there isn’t anything Trump can do to get above about 44%. It’s all baked in at this point - an incumbent’s share of the popular vote usually tracks pretty well with his approval rating. If there are any undecideds left, they’re most likely deciding between Biden and not voting (basically they want to know more about him and/or his policies).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:02:17pm

I’m honestly looking more forward to the VP debate than any of the Presidential debates. I honestly think Kamala is going to shred Pence to ribbons.

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KGxvi  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:04:07pm

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m honestly looking for more forward to the VP debate than any of the Presidential debates. I honestly think Kamala is going to shred Pence to ribbons.

I remember someone IRL saying in 2016 that they were most interested in the VP debate because they figured whoever ended up VP would probably be finishing the term for the presidential nominee anyway.

I don’t think that’s necessarily the case this time… but I wouldn’t be surprised if whomever the VP is come January 21, 2021 is also their party’s nominee in 2024.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:04:23pm

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m honestly looking more forward to the VP debate than any of the Presidential debates. I honestly think Kamala is going to shred Pence to ribbons.

Yeah, I think the VP debate is going to be the more interesting of the two, if only because Pence can actually string words together in something resembling conscious thought rather than a stream of consciousness. The problem in his case is he has all the charisma of a dish rag.

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stpaulbear  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:07:17pm

re: #131 Targetpractice

Yeah, I think the VP debate is going to be the more interesting of the two, if only because Pence can actually string words together in something resembling conscious thought rather than a stream of consciousness. The problem in his case is he has all the charisma of a dish rag.

And all of his thoughts are stupid.

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makeitstop  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:08:27pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Another point in favor of Donny showing up for at least one debate: He’s still working on a 2016 mindset, where his ability to avoid shitting his drawers on live TV was hailed as “presidential” by a press who had lowered the bar to the floor of Satan’s wine cellar. He still thinks he’s gonna be able to “dominate” the debate despite the formats being totally different, where he can’t play to a crowd and stomp around like a fucking golem. And he expects Joe to act like Hillary, smiling and giving polite “laughter” whenever Donny tries to bully him into keeping quiet.

I can’t wait until he tries to deliver one of his bullshit answers and Biden replies with ‘Come on, man! You’ve been president for nearly four years, don’t you know how any of this works yet?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:09:23pm

Sally directly south of Mobile:

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:10:02pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

The only “person” Donny listens to is his own ego. And his ego has been so bruised in recent months by suggestions that he’s unfit and possibly suffered mental impairment, that bowing out of a debate with a guy who he’s regularly accused of being “senile” would be a major blow to said ego. So he’s gonna show up, if only to then have one of his staff cut together a video of “gaffes” from Joe to say “proves” that he’s too gone mentally to be trusted with the presidency.

Recall that his cult were all in on his dominating Hillary and claiming victory during the 2016 debates. Trump cannot physically dominate Biden; they may not even be on the same stage; but he will go off tangent and ignore the questions. How will the moderators ever force him to respond to a specific question? And on the rare occasion he does answer, he will lie about his actions and policies. He will use the platform as a campaign rally to display to the typical low-information voter his prowess.

Meanwhile Biden may feel obliged to address the questions, and thereby allow many of Trump’s allegations to go unanswered — because there is a Gish Gallop of them whenever he speaks.

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gocart mozart  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:10:55pm
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makeitstop  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:12:03pm

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

Recall that his cult were all in on his dominating Hillary and claiming victory during the 2016 debates. Trump cannot physically dominate Biden; they may not even be on the same stage; but he will go off tangent and ignore the questions. How will the moderators ever force him to respond to a specific question? And on the rare occasion he does answer, he will lie about his actions and policies. He will use the platform as a campaign rally to display to the typical low-information voter his prowess.

Meanwhile Biden may feel obliged to address the questions, and thereby allow many of Trump’s allegations to go unanswered — because there is a Gish Gallop of them whenever he speaks.

I don’t think Joe will have any reservations about nailing Trump’s ass to the wall. Won’t have much trouble doing it, either.

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jeffreyw  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:14:46pm
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KGxvi  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:15:04pm

re: #137 makeitstop

I don’t think Joe will have any reservations about nailing Trump’s ass to the wall. Won’t have much trouble doing it, either.

The mistake everyone in the 2016 Republican primary, as well as Clinton, made in the debates was treating Trump like he was acting in good faith. And more often than not, they let him bully them into agreeing with him (see the entire Republican Party on everything and Clinton on TPP).

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:16:33pm

Jesus freakin’ Christ. All my Facebook Conservative family members and friends reacting to the Louisville’s settlement of Breonna Taylor’s wrongful death lawsuit, by calling Breonna a “drug dealer” and her family receiving the settlement “grifters” and “hustlers.”

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dangerman  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:17:27pm

re: #111 John Hughes

When you get right down to it what we’re doing is simply fixing the worst pollution event in the history of the world — the oxygen catastrophe — which destroyed almost all life on earth.

O2 is toxic, right? too much can kill ya….

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:19:28pm

re: #139 KGxvi

The mistake everyone in the 2016 Republican primary, as well as Clinton, made in the debates was treating Trump like he was acting in good faith. And more often than not, they let him bully them into agreeing with him (see the entire Republican Party on everything and Clinton on TPP).

IMO, it wasn’t Trump who bullied Clinton on TPP — it was Bernie. She was desperate to get the Bernie voters because she needed them for victory.

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makeitstop  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:20:24pm

re: #139 KGxvi

The mistake everyone in the 2016 Republican primary, as well as Clinton, made in the debates was treating Trump like he was acting in good faith. And more often than not, they let him bully them into agreeing with him (see the entire Republican Party on everything and Clinton on TPP).

I think Biden’s remarks about Trump since his nomination show that he’s not going to do that.

Joe knows what he’s dealing with here. But I really don’t think Trump does.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:21:40pm
145
Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:21:45pm

re: #143 makeitstop

I think Biden’s remarks about Trump since his nomination show that he’s not going to do that.

Joe knows what he’s dealing with here. But I really don’t think Trump does.

This is what I’m counting on.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:22:42pm

re: #139 KGxvi

The mistake everyone in the 2016 Republican primary, as well as Clinton, made in the debates was treating Trump like he was acting in good faith. And more often than not, they let him bully them into agreeing with him (see the entire Republican Party on everything and Clinton on TPP).

Hillary pretty much played the entire election with a handicap, needing to avoid any moments that could be spun as “lecturing,” “mean,” or “bitchy” by her critics. That meant she had to smile and laugh at Trump’s antics where a male candidate could have all but kicked him in the jimmies on live TV and received praise for such.

Were the two of them sharing a stage before a live audience, I doubt Joe would put up for a moment with Trump constantly invading his personal space to loom over him. Or will allow Donny to interrupt him constantly in order to “correct” him.

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dangerman  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:22:43pm

re: #133 makeitstop

I can’t wait until he tries to deliver one of his bullshit answers and Biden replies with ‘Come on, man! You’ve been president for nearly four years, don’t you know how any of this works yet?

biden is not going to ‘lose’ the first debate

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:23:21pm

re: #144 Patricia Kayden

[Embedded content]

For people who constantly bitch about “cancel culture,” the sure love mass reporting tweets to get them blocked or deleted.

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dangerman  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:23:31pm

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

Recall that his cult were all in on his dominating Hillary and claiming victory during the 2016 debates. Trump cannot physically dominate Biden; they may not even be on the same stage; but he will go off tangent and ignore the questions. How will the moderators ever force him to respond to a specific question? And on the rare occasion he does answer, he will lie about his actions and policies. He will use the platform as a campaign rally to display to the typical low-information voter his prowess.

Meanwhile Biden may feel obliged to address the questions, and thereby allow many of Trump’s allegations to go unanswered — because there is a Gish Gallop of them whenever he speaks.

‘i’m going to answer the question you asked and just ignore all that malarkey he said”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:26:07pm

“ The buck stops with you, Mr. President.” I think Biden will say something like that will illuminate how Trump has repeatedly refused to take responsibility on Covid.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:26:42pm

Joe Bidens to do list, starting 1/22/20

1. Fumigate White House
2. Fix the damn Rose Garden
3. Get rid of all that ugly Christmas malarkey
4. Move Baracks portrait back where it belongs
5. Have new toilets installed ASAP
6. Get rid of those ugly ass barricades and fences
7. Sweep the Oval Office for hidden cameras
8. Get a dog. Seriously. We want a President who likes dogs again.
9. Ban Bill Barr from the premises. PERMANENTLY
10. Burn/destroy ANYTHING left behind with the word Trump on it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:27:32pm

re: #147 dangerman

biden is not going to ‘lose’ the first debate

Clinton didn’t lose any debate either but Trump can’t do the empty slate buh-lieve me bs. Plus people are going to see Biden is by far more sharp than Trump is.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:28:14pm

re: #151 Eclectic Cyborg

Joe Bidens to do list, starting 1/22/20

1. Fumigate White House
2. Fix the damn Rose Garden
3. Get rid of all that ugly Christmas malarkey
4. Move Baracks portrait back where it belongs
5. Have new toilets installed ASAP
6. Get rid of those ugly ass barricades and fences
7. Sweep the Oval Office for hidden cameras
8. Get a dog. Seriously. We want a President who likes dogs again.
9. Ban Bill Barr from the premises. PERMANENTLY
10. Burn/destroy ANYTHING left behind with the word Trump on it.

Already has number eight. I think they have two German shepherds.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:29:08pm

re: #151 Eclectic Cyborg

Joe Bidens to do list, starting 1/22/20

1. Fumigate White House
2. Fix the damn Rose Garden
3. Get rid of all that ugly Christmas malarkey
4. Move Baracks portrait back where it belongs
5. Have new toilets installed ASAP
6. Get rid of those ugly ass barricades and fences
7. Sweep the Oval Office for hidden cameras
8. Get a dog. Seriously. We want a President who likes dogs again.
9. Ban Bill Barr from the premises. PERMANENTLY
10. Burn/destroy ANYTHING left behind with the word Trump on it.

11. Free all children from the ICE gulags.

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makeitstop  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:29:29pm

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

This is what I’m counting on.

I think it’s a safe bet.

Everyone in the White House tells him what he wants to hear, because they’re all afraid of being yelled at. The RNC has had to spend ad dollars in DC to make him feel better. They’ve cooked the poll numbers. They’re required to say nice things about him. Look at Ronna Romney’s ridiculous tweet yesterday about Biden’s response to COVID.

It’s like they’re not even trying to win an election, just trying not to get on the boss’ bad side.

They’re probably filling his head with the idea that Biden’s a pushover. And when Fox & Friends asked him about preparing for the debates, the very best he could do was rattle off where he’s flown to on AF1.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:33:56pm

re: #155 makeitstop

I think it’s a safe bet.

Everyone in the White House tells him what he wants to hear, because they’re all afraid of being yelled at. The RNC has had to spend ad dollars in DC to make him feel better. They’ve cooked the poll numbers. They’re required to say nice things about him. Look at Ronna Romney’s ridiculous tweet yesterday about Biden’s response to COVID.

It’s like they’re not even trying to win an election, just trying not to get on the boss’ bad side.

They’re probably filling his head with the idea that Biden’s a pushover. And when Fox & Friends asked him about preparing for the debates, the very best he could do was rattle off where he’s flown to on AF1.

Story I read the other week was that he’s doing no debate prep whatsoever, just working on the principle that working the job means he’s fully prepared. The translation is pretty easy to see: He thinks he’s can just do as he has been and bullshit his way to victory. Problem for him is that, unlike all those “press conferences” this past summer, he can’t just walk away from the podium the moment he gets a question he doesn’t want to answer.

157
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:35:39pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

Story I read the other week was that he’s doing no debate prep whatsoever, just working on the principle that working the job means he’s fully prepared. The translation is pretty easy to see: He thinks he’s can just do as he has been and bullshit his way to victory. Problem for him is that, unlike all those “press conferences” this past summer, he can’t just walk away from the podium the moment he gets a question he doesn’t want to answer.

He’s honestly more vulnerable as an incumbent than challenger because now he has a record and he can’t just talk shit about his predecessors and believe him.

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John Hughes  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:38:04pm

re: #141 dangerman

O2 is toxic, right? too much can kill ya….

O2 at current levels is toxic to the majority of life on earth. We just can’t see most of it.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:38:19pm

I’ve seen some talk about how Chris Wallace being the first mod might mean trouble for Donny. All I say to that is Wallace pretty much undid all the praise he received for that interview within 48 hours when he argued that even if Donny’s “answers” were bullshit, at least they were “answers” before repeating the “Biden in his basement” BS.

160
teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:48:40pm

The Bidens have two German Shepherds, Major and Champ. They got Champ from a breeder and Major was adopted from the Delaware Humane Society.

Champ is *old*. The Bidens got him in 2009, the same year I got my shepherd Leo, who passed away last week. They adopted Major last year.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:52:12pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

I’ve seen some talk about how Chris Wallace being the first mod might mean trouble for Donny. All I say to that is Wallace pretty much undid all the praise he received for that interview within 48 hours when he argued that even if Donny’s “answers” were bullshit, at least they were “answers” before repeating the “Biden in his basement” BS.

Trump is probably going to go there in the debate. I’m sure Joe will have a response ready.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:53:23pm

re: #161 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump is probably going to go here in the debate. I’m sure Joe will have a response ready.

“What’s the White House bunker like? I’ve never seen the inside of it.”

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A Cranky One  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:54:34pm

re: #161 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump is probably going to go here in the debate. I’m sure Joe will have a response ready.

I wasn’t the one hiding in a bunker and behind extra fences from the American people.

164
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:57:08pm

2nd corpse flower is unfolding. Amazing at how fast they can grow.

USBG Corpse Flower Live Stream Sept 15

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:57:10pm

Final answer on the number of debates. There will be two.

Biden will kick trumps ass in the first. They will put all their energy into the 2nd and make Pence overly prepare. Ms. Harris will be ready and kick his ass even more than Biden kicked trump.

the 2nd and third debates will be cancelled because trump is too busy coming up with a secret covid vaccine and other important govt stuff (like golf). For the conspiracy folks, I expect a reichstag fire type event after the 2nd debate.

You heard it hear first.

166
Shropshire Slasher  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:57:24pm

My local news station sponsors a pet in need of adoption. Today it’s Sarah, a domestic LH tiger. I thought “cool a left handed cat” until I realized it meant long haired. Sigh.

167
EPR-radar  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:59:19pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

I’ve seen some talk about how Chris Wallace being the first mod might mean trouble for Donny. All I say to that is Wallace pretty much undid all the praise he received for that interview within 48 hours when he argued that even if Donny’s “answers” were bullshit, at least they were “answers” before repeating the “Biden in his basement” BS.

Chris Wallace works at Fox News. Therefore his only job is getting Republicans elected. The only open question is if Wallace is doing this knowingly or unknowingly.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 15, 2020 • 2:59:27pm

re: #164 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

2nd corpse flower is unfolding. Amazing at how fast they can grow.

[Embedded content]

Is there a time lapse of the whole thing?

169
Shropshire Slasher  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:00:03pm

6 out of 7 dwarves aren’t Dopey.

170
A Cranky One  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:07:58pm

So a friend of my brother has developed a new product:

What an entrepreneur! Use the free range organic hate that’s in such surplus now to sell later.

Credit to the creator. blakemaloof.com

171
Belafon  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:08:19pm

re: #169 Shropshire Slasher

6 out of 7 dwarves aren’t Dopey.

Most of them aren’t happy either.

172
Barefoot Grin  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:12:02pm

re: #171 Belafon

Most of them aren’t happy either.

Only one of them does not have access to Adderall or meth.

173
A Cranky One  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:12:52pm

re: #171 Belafon

Most of them aren’t happy either.

And sneezy is quarantined. Doc can’t get PPE to help him. Hence Grumpy’s mood.

Sleepy doesn’t care because he got onto Dopey”s stash.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:15:10pm

re: #170 A Cranky One

So a friend of my brother has developed a new product:

[Embedded content]

What an entrepreneur! Use the free range organic hate that’s in such surplus now to sell later.

Credit to the creator. blakemaloof.com

Sealed Evil in a Can? We all know how that story goes.

175
gocart mozart  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:18:34pm
176
A Cranky One  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:26:01pm

re: #174 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sealed Evil in a Can? We all know how that story goes.

It would be great to have that in the pantry to be seen by some family members. You know the ones.

177
Jay C  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:27:01pm

re: #173 A Cranky One

And sneezy is quarantined. Doc can’t get PPE to help him. Hence Grumpy’s mood.

Sleepy doesn’t care because he got onto Dopey”s stash.

Which he stole from Doc’s cabinet….

178
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:27:12pm

re: #168 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Is there a time lapse of the whole thing?

Unfortunately no but hopefully the USBG will make one.

On this latest video, rewind it a couple of hours and then just skip ahead every 15 minutes or so, and you can see the change.

179
b_sharp  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:27:47pm

re: #94 John Hughes

Trump is just missing the obvious — the rise in atmospheric CO2 is accompanied with a fall in atmospheric O2. No free oxygen, no forest fires.

Global warming may be the cause of forest fires over the short term, but give it enough time and it will be the long term solution.

That isn’t happening. The ratio of oxygen to CO2 is 21%/.04%. CO2 is deadly at 5%. That means we’d be dead while O is still 16%.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:32:06pm

re: #179 b_sharp

That isn’t happening. The ratio of oxygen to CO2 is 21%/.04%. CO2 is deadly at 5%. That means we’d be dead while O is still 16%.

Shut up, libtard, you just want us all to burn to death!

181
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:32:31pm

re: #176 A Cranky One

It would be great to have that in the pantry to be seen by some family members. You know the ones.

I absolutely must have it. My parents would lose their shit. And I will not be sorry.

182
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:37:31pm

Ah, Charlie Kirk paying kids to ratfuck on social media. That’s what non profits are supposed to do, right?

apple.news

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:43:59pm

re: #170 A Cranky One

So a friend of my brother has developed a new product:

[Embedded content]

What an entrepreneur! Use the free range organic hate that’s in such surplus now to sell later.

Credit to the creator. blakemaloof.com

I keep this at work just in case.

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HypnoToad  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:46:59pm

re: #183 Jebediah, RBG

Want. Where did you get that?

185
Jebediah, RBG  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:51:09pm

re: #170 A Cranky One
The rest of the label:

186
Jebediah, RBG  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:55:10pm

re: #185 Jebediah, RBG
This too:

187
William Lewis  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:55:21pm

The tomato in the ingredients list made me LOL.

188
mmmirele  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:58:38pm

re: #25 lawhawk

It feels like a crisp fall day here in the NYC metro. First time in months frankly…

South Central Arizona has an excessive heat warning for Thursday because temps are expected to be between 106 and 111.

Global warming is real, folks. I’ve lived here 19 years and there’s never been an excessive heat warning this late.

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retired cynic  Sep 15, 2020 • 3:59:47pm

Alexander Vindman confirms Trump is 100% a Putin Puppet
“Trump should be considered to be a useful idiot and a fellow traveler,” says the Ukraine expert and impeachment witness, adding that the U.S. president tries to please the Russian strongman. by Eric Lutz, Vanity Fair

190
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 15, 2020 • 4:03:51pm

There needs to be public commissions about the crimes against humanity that Trump and his cronies are committing:

191
Jebediah, RBG  Sep 15, 2020 • 4:04:33pm

re: #184 HypnoToad

Want. Where did you get that?

The Time Travel Mart, on Venice Blvd. in Mar Vista (Los Angeles.) The store supports 826LA which is a cool good cause.

192
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 15, 2020 • 4:06:26pm

re: #189 retired cynic

Alexander Vindman confirms Trump is 100% a Putin Puppet
“Trump should be considered to be a useful idiot and a fellow traveler,” says the Ukraine expert and impeachment witness, adding that the U.S. president tries to please the Russian strongman. by Eric Lutz, Vanity Fair

Those words sound apt to me.

193
makeitstop  Sep 15, 2020 • 4:12:03pm

Excellent thread.

194
secretslothbear  Sep 15, 2020 • 4:17:50pm

U-S-A!
U-S-A!

195
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 15, 2020 • 4:22:19pm

re: #194 secretslothbear

[Embedded content]

U-S-A!
U-S-A!

4/5 the top 5 are run by Trump like and Trump himself.

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mmmirele  Sep 15, 2020 • 4:24:57pm

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

I feel you. I live in one of the reddest areas in the country.

I think I can top you. I live in one of the reddest and most singlemindedly religious parts of the USA. When my seat comes up, it’s a contest between various Mormons to see who can out holier than thou everyone else. This is not because Mormons are a majority, but they are a plurality. And our current rep, Andy Biggs (head of the Freedumb Caucus), has made a point of making nicey-nice with Evangelical churches where they do believe he’s a member of a cult and going to hell. But they’re all united, Andy Biggs, so many Mormons, and 80 percent of the Evangelicals, in worshiping their new god Donald John Trump.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 15, 2020 • 4:39:40pm

re: #167 EPR-radar

Chris Wallace works at Fox News. Therefore his only job is getting Republicans elected. The only open question is if Wallace is doing this knowingly or unknowingly.

Open question?? Nope. He knows exactly what he’s doing.

And what happens when Wallace’s questions are about Hunter Biden, and the Obama administration spying on Trump during the campaign and trying to prevent his election? What happens when Barr magically produces the Durham “report” immediately prior to the debate — but provides an advance copy to Fox so that they can develop questions that will make Biden appear as though he is concealing misconduct? One cannot trust anything associated with Fox, especially given they are the ones who guide Trump’s policies.

As for Trump debate preparation, the NY Times described it as follows for 2016:

Mr. Trump is largely shunning traditional debate preparations, but has been watching video of Mrs. Clinton’s best and worst debate moments, looking for her vulnerabilities.
…..
Mr. Trump, in turn, is approaching the debate like a Big Man on Campus who thinks his last-minute term paper will be dazzling simply because he wrote it.

He has paid only cursory attention to briefing materials. He has refused to use lecterns in mock debate sessions despite the urging of his advisers. He prefers spitballing ideas with his team rather than honing them into crisp, two-minute answers.
….
He believes debates are not won or lost on policy minutiae since most viewers will not remember them in an hour. ….
….
Unpredictable. Whether in politics or business, he takes pride in sizing up opponents based on their language, posture, eye contact, and particularly the needs and goals that his adversaries have at that moment. He will hold back, lunge forward, or stay cagey at varying points in hopes of knocking his opponent off balance.

Trump will play to his strength — lying about everything. This time he probably won’t be able to dominate the stage because it will likely be a split screen.

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plansbandc  Sep 15, 2020 • 4:43:28pm

re: #92 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

I would drink that Mountain Dew wodka.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2020 • 4:43:59pm

re: #198 plansbandc

I would drink that Mountain Dew wodka.

Drink it straight up, breakfast of champions.

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plansbandc  Sep 15, 2020 • 4:54:07pm

re: #108 Belafon

We’ve been amused by the tRumphumper candidates here suddenly stopped talking about him and started talking about working with both sides of the political aisle and working for all New Mexicans.

Sure Jan.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 15, 2020 • 6:38:02pm

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