Colbert on Trump’s Epic Lying Session at His Town Hall in Pennsylvania

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The President’s responses to questions from Pennsylvania voters at his town hall event revealed a man willing to lie about anything to anyone. Trump’s retweet of an altered video of Joe Biden later that evening only served to underscore his disregard for the truth. #Colbert #TrumpTownHall #Monologue

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wrenchwench  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:21:09am

8645ASAP

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:23:08am

re: #1 wrenchwench

For a moment there I thought a cat had walked across your keyboard or something.

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lawhawk  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:25:32am
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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:29:09am

Utah college hot spots:

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:30:33am

re: #3 lawhawk

Charlie is on it.

The Postal Service Was Going to Send Masks to Every Household Until Camp Runamuck Intervened
This administration* couldn’t have screwed up the response to the pandemic worse if it sent out battalions of the infected to sneeze on people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:33:06am

re: #4 jaunte

Utah college hot spots:

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911 huh?

Seems fitting for an emergency situation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:39:36am

re: #5 retired cynic

Charlie is on it.

The Postal Service Was Going to Send Masks to Every Household Until Camp Runamuck Intervened
This administration* couldn’t have screwed up the response to the pandemic worse if it sent out battalions of the infected to sneeze on people.

I would have panicked at the sight of a package of masks arriving at my door.

Still, just imagine they had gone through with it: there would have been a million CT’s circulating within minutes of the first arrival on how they were infested with everything from smallpox to 5G nanobots…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:42:10am

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The right way to do it would have been to send the letter first to give people a heads up masks would be coming. Then most people would not be caught off guard when the package arrives.

Or hell, just ship them to the local post offices and make it to where anyone who wants them can pick them up there.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:43:33am

This video shows a crowd of anti-maskers ‘invading’ a Target in Fort Lauderdale, yelling ‘take your masks off’ and ‘we’re not going to take it anymore’

The truth: If Vlad Putin and the GRU learned of an outbreak of fatal butt-rot disease, these dupes and tools would soon be going through Target without pants.

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wrenchwench  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:46:20am

I am going to the PO to see if the voter registration thingies showed up yet, and to give them some money (for the box), so it’s a very important mission. Worth risking the Unhealthful air (which never bothers me physically. I grew up in OC CA, land of air you can see and mountains that you can’t).

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Belafon  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:47:32am

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would have panicked at the sight of a package of masks arriving at my door.

Still, just imagine they had gone through with it: there would have been a million CT’s circulating within minutes of the first arrival on how they were infested with everything from smallpox to 5G nanobots…

We were already panicked by then. My middle son was doing remote college work from home, and my youngest was doing remote hight school from home.

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:49:19am

More Charlie:

Ron (Shreds of Freedom) Johnson Is a Few Bratwurst Short of a Tailgate
This is precisely the line of attack that the U.S. intelligence community said that the Russian ratfckers would pursue this time around, and Johnson is the primary parrot.

We have kept a weather eye on Senator Ron (Shreds of Freedom) Johnson, Republican of Wisconsin, ever since the Tea Party coal-slurry avalanche swept him into office a decade ago. Up until the arrival of El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago, Johnson was a fairly run-of-the-mill wingnut legislator, but then, in 2018, over the Independence Day holiday, Ron Johnson took a trip and came back as a menace to the American republic. How coincidental you believe this is depends very much on the condition of the turnip truck that brought you to town.

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BeachDem  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:50:41am

From the last thread

re: #348 Ace Rothstein

The NFL has been charging the Defense Dept. for years to “honor” veterans at games. But last night I got to thinking about something. Once or twice a season at Texans’ games (I shoot all the home games), a home builder (I think KB Home) gives away a new house to a veteran. I started wondering if they actually gave it away considering a builder’s margin is around 12%. So far I can’t find anything. I got to thinking that there is just no way they give them away. A veteran could just turn right around and sell it tomorrow and make a 100% profit. My thinking is that they let them live in one, but then the veteran would have to count the average rental price as income. He/she would also probably pay the property taxes and insurance as well as maintenance. And if they moved out, they’d have to give the keys back. Any help with this is appreciated.

Saw you got some info—here’s a little more:

From the Texans’ site:

Army veteran Sergeant Roland Sengstock and his family received the thrill of a lifetime when they were surprised during a Texans home game in December with the news that they’d be receiving a new custom-built, mortgage-free home courtesy of the Texans and Operation FINALLY HOME. The Texans partner with Operation FINALLY HOME, a nonprofit that helps America’s military heroes achieve the dream of home ownership, to give the gift of a new house to a deserving veteran each year. In March, the Texans helped break ground on the home with a summer move-in date expected.

From Operation Finally Home site:

Operation FINALLY HOME along with Century Communities, The Howard Hughes Corporation®, Greater Houston Builders Association and Houston Texans are thrilled to provide Roland Sengstock and his family with a custom-built, mortgage-free home in The Woodlands Hills, Texas.

operationfinallyhome.org

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lawhawk  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:53:35am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:59:02am

re: #11 Belafon

We were already panicked by then. My middle son was doing remote college work from home, and my youngest was doing remote hight school from home.

I was holed up in my village, fortunately, we have a small shop & bakery where you can get basics like eggs, milk, coffee, dairy & cold cuts, and a produce truck that comes once a week. I would only go to the supermarket once every other week for “exotic” items.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2020 • 11:59:33am

Mainstream media getting on my last nerve again. What shitty framing.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:02:55pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:03:25pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Mainstream media getting on my last nerve again. What shitty framing.

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It’s what they do, Charles. It’s what they do.

(oh and I think it sucks too)

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Mike Lamb  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:04:53pm

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would have panicked at the sight of a package of masks arriving at my door.

Still, just imagine they had gone through with it: there would have been a million CT’s circulating within minutes of the first arrival on how they were infested with everything from smallpox to 5G nanobots…

Maybe if the masks were unsolicited, but had there been a clear release stating “We are in a pandemic; masks will help slow the spread and get us in a better spot; and as a result, we are sending masks to everyone”, I struggle to see why people would panic.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:05:28pm
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Belafon  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:07:48pm

re: #20 jaunte

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A question to ask these people: How was the White House built?

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:08:03pm

And more Charlie:

It Takes a Rare Hand to Screw Up the Response to Your Own Screw-Up

The Trump administration’s aid to farmers appears to favor southern states and big farms

From the New York Times:

The findings by the nonpartisan watchdog agency supported some of the criticisms leveled at the White House and President Trump by Democrats and advocacy groups, who have accused the administration of mismanaging the $23 billion program that the president started in 2018 to blunt the effects of his trade war with China on American farmers. The study, which was requested by Senate Democrats, assessed the $14.5 billion in payments that were made last year. The report, along with a separate analysis of it by Senate Democrats, found that Georgia farmers received an average of $42,545 from the program — more than twice the national average of $16,507 and the highest average per acre in the country.

As you all know, I’m loath to be cynical, but I find it necessary to point out that the current Secretary of Agriculture, Sonny Perdue, used to be the governor of…(rifles through biographical data)…Georgia.

It also found that eight of the top nine states — measured by average payments per acre of farmland — were in the South, a region at the heart of Mr. Trump’s political base. More generous payment rates for cotton and sorghum, which are grown in Southern states, were part of the reason for the disparity, the report said. Big farms also received the largest payments, the report found, with the top 25 recipients getting an average of $1.5 million each.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:09:00pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:14:33pm

re: #23 Dread Pirate Ron

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They must know that trump is going to lose if they are so concerned with spending.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:16:25pm

re: #24 I Would Prefer Not To

They must know that trump is going to lose if they are so concerned with spending.

Republicans run up the tab and scream at Democrats to find a way to pay it.

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EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:16:38pm

re: #3 lawhawk

This post office story really makes it clear what Republicans are all about.

The idea that Federal government can be useful for dealing with pressing national problems has been anathema for Republicans at least as far back as the Great Depression. For 3 long years Hoover sat in the Oval Office with his thumb up his ass doing diddly/squat about the Great Depression. That taught people what Republicans stand for — doing nothing.

Nothing has changed since then, except that the GOP’s version of doing nothing has steadily gotten more corrupt over time.

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Citizen K  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:16:42pm

re: #20 jaunte

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It’s like…apparently it’s impossible to accept the idea that the principles of ‘freedom’ that the US was founded upon were underscored by a very real and very glaring hypocrisy that persisted at least to 1863 on paper, and in all honesty still persists in practice to this day? Oh, I forgot, gotta worship the founders while acting like the documents they wrote were gospels and not fallible doctrines literally crafted to be open to amending with the needs of the times.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:17:56pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:18:01pm

re: #24 I Would Prefer Not To

They must know that trump is going to lose if they are so concerned with spending.

The Collins tweet about the balanced budget amendment is from 2018.

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John Hughes  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:19:25pm

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would have panicked at the sight of a package of masks arriving at my door.

Really?

I’ve had packages of masks arrive at my door 3 times now (once from my local town hall, once from the regional council and once for my niece because she and her father are on free medical care as a low income family). I never thought about panicking, I was relieved as it was pretty hard to get them at the time.

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Citizen K  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:20:33pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:24:07pm

re: #19 Mike Lamb

Maybe if the masks were unsolicited, but had there been a clear release stating “We are in a pandemic; masks will help slow the spread and get us in a better spot; and as a result, we are sending masks to everyone”, I struggle to see why people would panic.

A Deep State plot to sedate us all with chloroform or Novichok or Vicks 5G Nanorub

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:24:45pm

re: #30 John Hughes

Really?

I’ve had packages of masks arrive at my door 3 times now (once from my local town hall, once from the regional council and once for my niece because she and her father are on free medical care as a low income family). I never thought about panicking, I was relieved as it was pretty hard to get them at the time.

That’s what I am saying. A lot of people would have been happy to get them and it might have made them think the government actually gives a shit about the situation, further reducing panic and anxiety.

But that’s not how Trump rolls.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:25:56pm

re: #20 jaunte

Fact: At America’s founding, kidnapped enslaved black people were exploited. The consequences of slavery continue today.

Black people were owned and exploited for nearly 250 years and did not gain their full (statutory) freedom for another 100 years after that…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:28:07pm

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Black people were owned and exploited for nearly 250 years and did not gain their full (statutory) freedom for another 100 years after that…

And even today are not fully equal in many aspects of society.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:28:57pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:28:59pm

re: #30 John Hughes

I would have panicked at the sight of a package of masks arriving at my door.

Really?

left off the sarc tag but I think the rest of the post indicated that I was being facetious.

But there would have been some people who would have rejected it outright as unwanted gummint interference…the same people we saw traipsing through the Wal-Mart in Ft. Lauderdale on video…or at a Trump rally.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:29:14pm

re: #26 EPR-radar

This post office story really makes it clear what Republicans are all about.

The idea that Federal government can be useful for dealing with pressing national problems has been anathema for Republicans at least as far back as the Great Depression. For 3 long years Hoover sat in the Oval Office with his thumb up his ass doing diddly/squat about the Great Depression. That should have taught people what Republicans stand for — doing nothing.

Nothing has changed since then, except that the GOP’s version of doing nothing has steadily gotten more corrupt over time.

FTFY

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Belafon  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:29:56pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Directed at Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:30:02pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

And even today are not fully equal in many aspects of society.

that is what I meant about “statutory” equality…social and economic equality are still a ways off for far too many

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:30:18pm

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would have panicked at the sight of a package of masks arriving at my door.

Still, just imagine they had gone through with it: there would have been a million CT’s circulating within minutes of the first arrival on how they were infested with everything from smallpox to 5G nanobots…

You announce what the masks are, for a week or so before mailing them, how they’re used, why they’re used. Nightly news for a week before mailing. Them you include a letter with the masks. No panic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:31:56pm

re: #41 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

You announce what the masks are, for a week or so before mailing them, how they’re used, why they’re used. Nightly news for a week before mailing. Them you include a letter with the masks. No panic.

Government propaganda and Fake News!, I ain’t touching those Devil’s kleenexes!!!

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:32:46pm

As conservatives have always said, Trust What The Government Tells You.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:33:43pm

Feels like another part of the Putin project to destroy objective reality.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:34:31pm
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Belafon  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:34:43pm

re: #44 jaunte

Feels like another part of the Putin project to destroy objective reality.

America’s flirting with this predates Putin. Ask Native Americans.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:35:44pm
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Belafon  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:35:49pm

re: #45 jaunte

We can talk about how the Southern states wanted to leave because Great Britain was leaning towards abolishing slavery.

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EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:35:52pm

re: #38 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Actually, the Great Depression did teach people (at the time) what Republicans were good for (i.e., nothing).

Unfortunately, that lesson didn’t last long, especially when Ike threw the dying GOP an undeserved life preserver by running for president as a Republican.

But Democrats did have uninterrupted control of the House from 1954-1994. The fact that the natural minority party (GOP) has more often than not had control of the House since then is a fucking travesty.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:36:22pm

re: #46 Belafon

Growing up in a Bircher/Goldwater Republican household made it hard to escape.

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dangerman  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:36:37pm

re: #20 jaunte

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he’s twisting the definition of ‘america’
it was mostly white male landed gentry- ie people like him (he thinks)
they founded the country. they werent oppressed.

the others dont count

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Citizen K  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:37:09pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:37:41pm

re: #48 Belafon

We can talk about how the Southern states wanted to leave because Great Britain was leaning towards abolishing slavery.

And how the only tax that the Crown actually tried enforce was the tea tax, which fell largely upon the upper class, which is what largely inspired the “need” for revolution.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:38:13pm
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dangerman  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:38:53pm

re: #23 Dread Pirate Ron

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that’s “rein in”

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:39:04pm

Is nepotism patriotic?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:39:15pm

re: #42 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Government propaganda and Fake News!, I ain’t touching those Devil’s kleenexes!!!

Not at that point. Trump tainted everything afterwards.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:40:09pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Maybe a David Barton appearance. Is that jackass still around?

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dangerman  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:40:35pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

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big deal
dude likely is out of office before the ink’s dry

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:41:52pm

re: #55 dangerman

that’s “rein in”

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She was smart enough to not type “rain in”.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:44:33pm

Wait ‘til they learn what their country is doing to asylum seekers.

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dangerman  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:44:44pm

re: #45 jaunte

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“the twisted lies must be cleared from our classrooms.”

does that include all the anti-science nonsense aided by the religion masquerading as ‘equal time education’ stuff too?

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Citizen K  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:44:56pm
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dangerman  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:46:31pm

gah

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Belafon  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:47:15pm

re: #59 dangerman

big deal
dude likely is out of office before the ink’s dry

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“All you white people need to know that your ancestors worked real hard beating those slaves and you should be proud of it.”

I’m just curious why he thinks there are people going “I was going to vote for Biden, but now that you’re going to teach my kids that slavery was ok, I’m going to vote for you.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:47:19pm

They are LITERALLY DOING EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THING THEY SAID OBAMA WOULD DO.

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EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:49:13pm

re: #64 dangerman

Trump is talking about something he’s an expert on, for once.

But Trump’s expertise with twisted lies is in telling them, not removing them.

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dangerman  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:49:28pm

re: #60 Dread Pirate Ron

She was smart enough to not type “rain in”.

sometimes autocorrect is not wildly wrong

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Citizen K  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:49:58pm

re: #64 dangerman

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Jay C  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:50:38pm

re: #59 dangerman

big deal
dude likely is out of office before the ink’s dry

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SRSLY: Who is he going to appoint to the “1776 Commission”? Steven Miller, Ivanka, Kimberley Guilfoyle, Rudy Giuliani and Betsy DeVos?

And BTW, who is going to pay for it?

Just more campaign-season BS: though this time the “added fascism” is just more overt than implied…

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dangerman  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:51:31pm

re: #52 Citizen K

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dangerman  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:52:57pm

re: #69 Citizen K

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that’s the part i mis-pasted!!

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Jay C  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:55:29pm

re: #65 Belafon

“All you white people need to know that you’re ancestors worked real hard beating those slaves and you should be proud of it.”

I’m just curious why he thinks there are people going “I was going to vote for Biden, but now that you’re going to teach my kids that slavery was ok, I’m going to vote for you.”

Faux-“patriotic” shit like this - when coming from Trump - isn’t (and never was) intended to shift any votes away from Biden/Dems: it’s to reassure the “slavery-was-OK” bloc that he still loves their prejudices, and it’s intended to keep them from getting discouraged/staying home on Election Day.

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BeachDem  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:56:27pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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The very words “patriotic education” makes me want to vomit. Truly a creepy turn of phrase. And particularly creepy coming out of the orange yam’s piehole. (Also—does he only own one suit, or does he have closets full of ill-fitting weird blue replicas?)

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Targetpractice  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:57:25pm

“Patriotic education.” Fine idea, comrade.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 17, 2020 • 12:59:10pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

“Patriotic education.” Fine idea, comrade.

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Can I learn it in a camp?

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Citizen K  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:00:40pm

re: #76 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Can I learn it in a camp?

Possibly, it might take a lot of concentration to learn though.

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Targetpractice  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:00:59pm

re: #76 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Can I learn it in a camp?

Of course. A friendly member of our fine secret police will be happy to escort you.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:01:02pm
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Citizen K  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:06:59pm

Shock upon shocks, Cruella DeVos is a piece of shit, and Bari Weiss is a gigantic fucking hypocrite. News at 11.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:07:08pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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Chyron here: “Trump: To grow up in America is to live in a land where anything is possible.” I guess they didn’t have space for “…and nothing is true.”

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:07:48pm
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Citizen K  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:10:34pm

re: #82 jaunte

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The right has been allowed a monopoly on language and ability to define what things mean in politics, and only they get to decide what terms really ‘mean’. And not for lack of trying to reclaim things either, it’s just the press has almost universally decided that only Republicans can ever be trusted to define things.

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aatharuv  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:12:43pm

Patriotic education really sounds like something out of Mao’s and Xi’s China. Okay, they were PR-savvy enough not to call it Patriotic Reeducation.

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BeachDem  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:14:31pm

re: #84 aatharuv

Patriotic education really sounds like something out of Mao’s and Xi’s China. Okay, they were PR-savvy enough not to call it Patriotic Reeducation.

This little tidbit is even creepier:

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Belafon  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:16:21pm

re: #85 BeachDem

This little tidbit is even creepier:

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If they don’t have a critical eye towards the country, they don’t really love it.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:17:55pm

Second wave of covid-19 hitting Europe.

cnn.com

I wonder what the USA second wave will look like once this first wave is done?

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Citizen K  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:19:20pm

re: #87 BlueSpotinAL

Second wave of covid-19 hitting Europe.

cnn.com

I wonder what the USA second wave will look like once this first wave is done?

If this first wave ever gets done.

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:20:54pm

I’m surprised he didn’t have little cartoon birdies flying around his head.

In this clip, he intterupts himself in the middle os saying ‘As I said at Mount Rushmore two months ago…’ - and then appends the ‘two months ago’ part to the conclusion of his sentence, which makes it a totally meaningless phrase.

Fuckin’ Late Stage Elvis had nothing on this pillhead.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:21:28pm
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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:23:42pm

Rats are jumping off:

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:25:31pm

re: #90 DodgerFan1988

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Ben Shapiro just like Ari Fleisher—21st Century Judah Benjamins…

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:27:35pm

re: #70 Jay C

SRSLY: Who is he going to appoint to the “1776 Commission”? Steven Miller, Ivanka, Kimberley Guilfoyle, Rudy Giuliani and Betsy DeVos?

And BTW, who is going to pay for it?

Just more campaign-season BS: though this time the “added fascism” is just more overt than implied…

It’s all about the announcement, not the follow-through.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:29:03pm

So is this 1776 commission bullshit yet another attempt to deflect the conversation from ICE hysterectomies, “Suckers and Losers” and over 200 000 dead bodies?

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Targetpractice  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:30:57pm

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

So is this 1776 commission bullshit yet another attempt to deflect the conversation from ICE hysterectomies, “Suckers and Losers” and over 200 000 dead bodies?

It’s yet more red meat thrown out in a desperate attempt to drive up his base’s “enthusiasm.”

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:34:30pm

re: #85 BeachDem

This little tidbit is even creepier:

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The sun on the meadow is summery warm,
The stag in the forest runs free.
But gather together to greet the storm,
Tomorrow belongs to me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:34:31pm

re: #90 DodgerFan1988

Demanding that the state subsidize the teaching of nonsensically false pseudo-history about the inherent evil of America is political correctness

Just keep it straightforward and simple:

So there were these white guys who were too lazy to do the really hard work of running tobacco and cotton plantations in the south.

They were also too cheap to pay other people to do the work.

They tried forcing Native Americans to do the work, but those workers kept running off into the wilderness.

Then they hit on the idea of bringing people from a different continent to who were less likely to run off because they were unfamiliar with the territory to do their work.

That they were too lazy to do and too cheap to pay for

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:36:07pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:36:37pm

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

All of that and the fact that Europe has a long, long history of exploiting the everloving shit out of Africa and her people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:37:57pm

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

All of that and the fact that Europe has a long, long history of exploiting the everloving shit out of Africa and her people.

Those were British colonists who established the practice of American slavery and the slave trade.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:38:44pm

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those were British colonists who established the practice of American slavery and the slave trade.

Exactly. They took what they knew and brought it over here.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:41:50pm
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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:43:54pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:48:45pm

WaPo: Federal judge issues temporary injunction against USPS operational changes amid concerns about mail slowdowns

A federal judge in Washington state on Thursday granted a request from 14 states to temporarily block operational changes within the U.S. Postal Service that have been blamed for a slowdown in mail delivery, saying that President Trump and Postmaster General Louis DeJoy are “involved in a politically motivated attack on the efficiency of the Postal Service” that could disrupt the 2020 election.

Stanley A. Bastian, chief judge of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Washington, said that harm to the public “has already taken place” by changes put in place under DeJoy. Bastian ruled from the bench Thursday afternoon after a two-and-a-half hour hearing.

“The states have demonstrated that the defendants are involved in a politically motivated attack on the efficiency of the Postal Service. They have also demonstrated that this attack on the Postal Service is likely to irreparably harm the states’ ability to administer the 2020 general election,” he said.

(more)

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:51:32pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:52:49pm

re: #55 dangerman

that’s “rein in”

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That’s one of the ones that really peeves me.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:53:29pm

re: #106 Jebediah, RBG

Along with toe vs. “tow” the line.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:54:03pm
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stpaulbear  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:55:36pm

I took a scenic drive up along the St. Croix River today. Some of it is liberal but some used to be Michele Bachmann territory. There were surprisingly few signs for president although lots for local elections. Biden signs outnumbered Trump signs. The very first sign that I saw with Trump’s name on it said “Trump Loves Putin”. I LOLed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:56:55pm

re: #107 jaunte

Along with toe vs. “tow” the line.

How about champing at the bit?

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 1:58:51pm

re: #110 Eclectic Cyborg

I read the phrase with the champing spelling mostly in old novels, so that’s the one I’m comfortable with.

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BeachDem  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:00:20pm

re: #91 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Rats are jumping off:

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CNN buried the lede:

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stpaulbear  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:01:20pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

This video shows a crowd of anti-maskers ‘invading’ a Target in Fort Lauderdale, yelling ‘take your masks off’ and ‘we’re not going to take it anymore’

The truth: If Vlad Putin and the GRU learned of an outbreak of fatal butt-rot disease, these dupes and tools would soon be going through Target without pants.

If I saw a demonstration like that in a store, I would want to grab a small sack of flour, use a key to cut a couple slits in the bag, lob it high so that it lands and blows up in the middle of the group, and then holler “you’re infected’ at them. I don’t know if this would be considered more of an assault than a crowd of screaming maskless morons, but it would make a point.

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Targetpractice  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:01:46pm

New “patriotic education”

- America was founded by Christian men and only Christian men. All the Founding Fathers were hardcore Christian men and any talk that they were guided by the so-called “Enlightenment” is socialist talk.

- Talk about land “stolen” from the Indians (yes, they’re Indians, not that PC “Native American” BS) is ridiculous. That land was paid for with highly valuable glass beads and any suggestion that good Christian men “stole” it from them is more socialist lies.

- Slavery was the fault of those foreigners who were all here illegally. In fact, the real victims of slavery were all those white men forced into indentured servitude. Ignore the talk that they could earn their freedom and be treated as citizens, they were here as slaves and that means black folks need to get over slavery.

- The so-called “Loyalists” were all a bunch of tea-swilling, powdered wig wearing sore losers! Real manly American men would never have left this country for England!

- Nothing of importance happened between 1793 and 1861. That whole “War of 1812” nonsense could never have happened because Americans would never allow an enemy to invade!

- The Civil War was totally about tariffs and taxes! And it was a war of aggression waged by the North on the South! Just watch Gone with the Wind, it explains everything!

- America won WWI and every war since. The only time we “lost” is when socialists sabotaged us! Again, socialism has always been the enemy of America!

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Kilroy was here  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:04:45pm

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BeachDem  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:06:11pm

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just keep it straightforward and simple:

So there were these white guys who were too lazy to do the really hard work of running tobacco and cotton plantations in the south.

They were also too cheap to pay other people to do the work.

They tried forcing Native Americans to do the work, but those workers kept running off into the wilderness.

Then they hit on the idea of bringing people from a different continent to who were less likely to run off because they were unfamiliar with the territory to do their work.

That they were too lazy to do and too cheap to pay for

Or, as Lin-Manuel Miranda puts it:

[JEFFERSON]
…In Virginia, we plant seeds in the ground
We create. You just wanna move our money around

[HAMILTON]
…A civics lesson from a slaver. Hey neighbor
Your debts are paid cuz you don’t pay for labor
“We plant seeds in the South. We create.”
Yeah, keep ranting
We know who’s really doing the planting

Cabinet Battle #1

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KGxvi  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:14:50pm

I’ve seen a meme pop up a few times on instagram lately, it’s the “change my mind” guy (dude sitting at a card table in the park, drinking coffee with a sign that says something followed by “change my mind”)

This one is:

People who refuse to wear masks = people who would hide a zombie bite

Feels accurate.

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Belafon  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:15:21pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:16:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:17:56pm

re: #119 Dread Pirate Ron

It’s been fascinating to see the shift in case clusters since this began. Now it looks like the Midwest is seeing the most adverse impacts.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:21:47pm
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KGxvi  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:21:55pm

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just keep it straightforward and simple:

So there were these white guys who were too lazy to do the really hard work of running tobacco and cotton plantations in the south.

They were also too cheap to pay other people to do the work.

They tried forcing Native Americans to do the work, but those workers kept running off into the wilderness.

Then they hit on the idea of bringing people from a different continent to who were less likely to run off because they were unfamiliar with the territory to do their work.

That they were too lazy to do and too cheap to pay for

That’s not the whole story… there were also sugar plantations in the colonies. And it’s not like slavery was a brand new concept in Europe, it had existed almost continuously to some degree since the Roman Empire

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Jack Burton  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:25:54pm

re: #121 DodgerFan1988

He is now officially just as bad as Alex Jones. Anyone still defending this clown is complicit.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:26:33pm

re: #112 BeachDem

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:26:54pm

re: #123 Jack Burton

He is now officially just as bad as Alex Jones. Anyone still defending this clown is complicit.

I am so sick of him being treated like he’s this profound voice. He’s an ass.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:27:28pm

New poll came out today of CO-03. Of 754 likely voters 46% went for Diane Mitsch Bush 44% went for Lauren Qbert Boebert.

I’ll take it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:27:40pm

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

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I’d love there to be tape of him insulting his followers.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:29:31pm

re: #126 teleskiguy

New poll came out today of CO-03. Of 754 likely voters 46% went for Diane Mitsch Bush 44% went for Lauren Qbert Boebert.

I’ll take it.

re: #126 teleskiguy

New poll came out today of CO-03. Of 754 likely voters 46% went for Diane Mitsch Bush 44% went for Lauren Qbert Boebert.

I’ll take it.

I think we might actually gain some House seats. Hoping Co-3 is one of em.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:29:32pm

re: #122 KGxvi

That’s not the whole story… there were also sugar plantations in the colonies. And it’s not like slavery was a brand new concept in Europe, it had existed almost continuously to some degree since the Roman Empire

…and long before that (remember who the Bible says were slaves in Egypt?).

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KGxvi  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:30:02pm

re: #125 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I am so sick of him being treated like he’s this profound voice. He’s an ass.

I’m still very confused as to how/why Joe Rogan became a thing. I could never stand his commentary in UFC, and looking at his IMDB page, he hasn’t really done anything else.

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danarchy  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:32:15pm

re: #122 KGxvi

That’s not the whole story… there were also sugar plantations in the colonies. And it’s not like slavery was a brand new concept in Europe, it had existed almost continuously to some degree since the Roman Empire

Slavery goes goes a lot farther back than that. As long as there has been civilization there has been slavery. Even if we are just talking about Europe, there was slavery in ancient Greece.

It is even referenced in Hammurabi’s code.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:32:36pm

re: #130 KGxvi

I’m still very confused as to how/why Joe Rogan became a thing. I could never stand his commentary in UFC, and looking at his IMDB page, he hasn’t really done anything else.

I don’t either. I remember him hosting Fear Factor which I thought was a silly show.

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danarchy  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:33:01pm

re: #130 KGxvi

I’m still very confused as to how/why Joe Rogan became a thing. I could never stand his commentary in UFC, and looking at his IMDB page, he hasn’t really done anything else.

I think it was Fear Factor that launched him

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:33:03pm
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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:34:06pm

re: #128 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I think we might actually gain some House seats. Hoping Co-3 is one of em.

I think we stand a VERY good chance of gaining seats. I’d love to see us run the table in upstate New York - and in a presidential year with very high turnout, I think the odds are good on us grabbing the former Chris Collins seat (we came very close in the low-turnout special election a few months ago), and at least plausibly favorable in the Southern Tier Tom Reed district and (the one I’d most like to reclaim) up in the North Country where Elise Stefanik deserves to get ousted. Maybe we could even get John Katko out of the central NY seat that’s bounced back and forth between D and R.

So that’s four potential pickups just in upstate NY alone.

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KGxvi  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:34:08pm

re: #133 danarchy

I think it was Fear Factor that launched him

He was also on News Radio, but he really started to bro out around Fear Factor/UFC stuff.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:34:40pm

Abbott still sending incoherent Covid-19 messages, because GOP.

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:35:39pm

re: #126 teleskiguy

New poll came out today of CO-03. Of 754 likely voters 46% went for Diane Mitsch Bush 44% went for Lauren Qbert Boebert.

I’ll take it.

too close

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:37:14pm

re: #138 retired cynic

too close

For a district that went 52-40 for Trump in 2016? I’ll take that swing very happily.

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sagehen  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:37:24pm

re: #127 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’d love there to be tape of him insulting his followers.

OMG, a Lonesome Rhodes rant would be delicious.

“Good night, you stupid people!” clip from A FACE IN THE CROWD

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KGxvi  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:38:02pm

re: #134 jaunte

I’m guessing “bars” means “places that serve alcohol but not food.” As seems to have been the rule here in California.

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:38:57pm

Email from Dick Durbin today, saying that Trump is still refusing to comply with the Supreme Court decision on DACA. Three months later. Good old law ‘n order Barr.

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:40:33pm

re: #142 retired cynic

Email from Dick Durbin today, saying that Trump is still refusing to comply with the Supreme Court decision on DACA. Three months later. Good old law ‘n order Barr.

But remarkably, in the three months since the Supreme Court handed down their decision, the Trump Administration has simply refused to comply. In July, a federal judge issued an order for the Administration to begin accepting new applications for DACA. They have yet to do so.

Let’s be clear, this Administration is in open defiance of the Supreme Court. SCOTUS rejected the repeal of DACA. That means DACA must return to its original status and the Trump Administration must reopen the program. And they must do so immediately.

The stakes are too high—both for the rule of law and the lives of Dreamers—to ignore this. Republicans and Democrats in Congress must come together to compel the President to immediately comply with the Supreme Court’s mandate.

More than 200,000 DACA recipients are “essential critical infrastructure workers” in this COVID-19 pandemic. More than 41,000 of them are health care workers—nurses, doctors, paramedics, respiratory therapists, and more. Can you imagine where we would be without them?

As long as I am a United States Senator, I will continue to fight for Dreamers. We cannot allow this President to openly defy the Supreme Court of the United States. We must protect DACA. We must uphold the rule of law.

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EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:47:09pm

re: #98 jaunte

Yeah, I learned about the “Triangular Trade” in grade school in NJ. Probably a bit of Woodrow Wilson’s rampant racism that he put into the public school curriculum there and stuck around for decades.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:50:51pm

I had a beginning of the school year Zoom meeting today. Teddy was a big hit!!

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:51:38pm

re: #144 EPR-radar

Yeah, I learned about the “Triangular Trade” in grade school in NJ. Probably a bit of Woodrow Wilson’s rampant racism that he put into the public school curriculum there and stuck around for decades.

I also learned about triangle trade in school. Only because that’s what it was — gins, slaves, rum — and it was always clear that one leg of the three was slaves.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:53:35pm

re: #146 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I also learned about triangle trade in school. Only because that’s what it was — gins, slaves, rum — and it was always clear that one leg of the three was slaves.

In my teaching, I refer to it as the Triangle Slave Trade to emphasize that particular side.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:58:36pm
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KGxvi  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:58:54pm

Meanwhile, the anti-immigration policies of this maladministration continue:

But as of Oct. 2, fewer people may be able to afford as smooth a path to citizenship and all the benefits that come with it.

On that date, the cost of applying online for citizenship will jump from $640 to $1,160. Costs for certain green card filings will increase by more than $300. Another immigration-related request will pass $4,000. (Fees listed on page 13). Fee waivers to help low-income immigrants offset costs will also be limited or, in some cases, cut entirely.

[snip]

The Department of Homeland Security announced the new fees at the end of July, saying they help its U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency meet operational needs and avoid a $1 billion shortfall. A lawsuit by immigration advocates is seeking to halt the fee spikes, arguing they violate immigrants’ due process and are invalid because the new fee rule was made by acting, not Senate-approved, department heads.

Fuck these guys with rusted, flaming chainsaws.

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Targetpractice  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:59:09pm

A helpful visualization of how wingnuts handle the negative aspects of American history:

Family Guy; German tour bus

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Kilroy was here  Sep 17, 2020 • 2:59:19pm

More rats jumping ship. This one may be for a paycheck…

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calochortus  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:00:19pm

re: #96 jaunte

The sun on the meadow is summery warm,
The stag in the forest runs free.
But gather together to greet the storm,
Tomorrow belongs to me.

I swear that’s what ran through my head immediately on hearing Trump’s plan.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:04:15pm

Slavery apologists put a lot of emphasis on Africans selling other Africans to the slave traders, as though it is the Africans’ fault in general that some of them were willing to participate in the trade. Of course this happened, Europeans did not usually go into the hinterland to round people up. The apologists ignore, though, that European goods, especially firearms and gunpowder, soon made the slave catchers dominant and powerful. It was this, and not some general moral deficiency among Africans, that led to large scale African involvement in the trade.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:04:20pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

A helpful visualization of how wingnuts handle the negative aspects of American history:

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On the same vein… Just always made me laugh.

Hey, wait, that’s not a dummy!

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NetworkKed  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:09:51pm

re: #130 KGxvi

I’m still very confused as to how/why Joe Rogan became a thing. I could never stand his commentary in UFC, and looking at his IMDB page, he hasn’t really done anything else.

I like Joe “Commentary Dude” Rogan. He’s relatively erudite and easy on the ears in a fight call, his old Fear Factor stuff was amusing. The lovable dope color slot.

Joe “Podcast Edgelord” Rogan seems to be a whole different person. Take the filters off, and woooo. I tried the podcast once and no no no no. Penn Jilette is almost the same way for me. I just don’t get it.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:10:08pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Slavery apologists put a lot of emphasis on Africans selling other Africans to the slave traders, as though it is the Africans’ fault in general that some of them were willing to participate in the trade. Of course this happened, Europeans did not usually go into the hinterland to round people up. The apologists ignore, though, that European goods, especially firearms and gunpowder, soon made the slave catchers dominant and powerful. It was this, and not some general moral deficiency among Africans, that led to large scale African involvement in the trade.

One of the documents I have my students read is a letter from the King of the Kongo to the King of Portugal to demonstrate the unequal relationship between Europe and Africa in the 15th century. In the letter, he pleads with the King of Portugal not to enslave his people, but by this time, the Kongo was dependent on European goods. So, the King of the Kong had to walk a fine line.

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calochortus  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:11:32pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Slavery apologists put a lot of emphasis on Africans selling other Africans to the slave traders, as though it is the Africans’ fault in general that some of them were willing to participate in the trade. Of course this happened, Europeans did not usually go into the hinterland to round people up. The apologists ignore, though, that European goods, especially firearms and gunpowder, soon made the slave catchers dominant and powerful. It was this, and not some general moral deficiency among Africans, that led to large scale African involvement in the trade.

Not to mention the fact that there wasn’t exactly a pan-African unity agreement. They sold their enemies into slavery in the same way countless other peoples have.

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Jay C  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:12:43pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Slavery apologists put a lot of emphasis on Africans selling other Africans to the slave traders, as though it is the Africans’ fault in general that some of them were willing to participate in the trade. Of course this happened, Europeans did not usually go into the hinterland to round people up. The apologists ignore, though, that European goods, especially firearms and gunpowder, soon made the slave catchers dominant and powerful. It was this, and not some general moral deficiency among Africans, that led to large scale African involvement in the trade.

No expert on the subject, but IIRC, even if slavery, per se was a part of most aboriginal African societies (North and Central) as it had been for centuries, it was only the advent of Europeans looking for mass supplies of cheap labor for their New World plantation colonies that turned it into an export business - with the guns and goods distributed to the local power elites helping to keep the “supply” flowing.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:15:56pm

re: #156 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

One of the documents I have my students read is a letter from the King of the Kongo to the King of Portugal to demonstrate the unequal relationship between Europe and Africa in the 15th century. In the letter, he pleads with the King of Portugal not to enslave his people, but by this time, the Kongo was dependent on European goods. So, the King of the Kong had to walk a fine line.

Here’s a link if anyone is interested. I was incorrect about the dating. These are from the 16th century.

users.rowan.edu

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:18:00pm

re: #149 KGxvi

A lawsuit by immigration advocates is seeking to halt the fee spikes, arguing they violate immigrants’ due process and are invalid because the new fee rule was made by acting, not Senate-approved, department heads.

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William Lewis  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:18:47pm

re: #144 EPR-radar

Yeah, I learned about the “Triangular Trade” in grade school in NJ. Probably a bit of Woodrow Wilson’s rampant racism that he put into the public school curriculum there and stuck around for decades.

We were taught the Triangle trade and that the one leg was only human slaves for the Caribbean and the US South.

They also taught us about USS Constitution’s last victory- she took the US sailing ship H.N.Gambrill for being a slave trader on 3 November 1854 off the coast of Angola.

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EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:22:31pm

re: #161 William Lewis

We were taught the Triangle trade and that the one leg was only human slaves for the Caribbean and the US South.

They also taught us about USS Constitution’s last victory- she took the US sailing ship H.N.Gambrill for being a slave trader on 3 November 1854 off the coast of Angola.

It’s a question of emphasis — the facts are what they are, but I can’t believe the recent effort in Texas to focus on the triangular trade is in good faith. Given Wilson’s record and influence in NJ, it wouldn’t surprise me if he did something similar long ago.

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garzooma  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:22:51pm

re: #146 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I also learned about triangle trade in school. Only because that’s what it was — gins, slaves, rum — and it was always clear that one leg of the three was slaves.

It also made clear the complicity of New England colonies like RI, which otherwise didn’t have much slavery per se.

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KGxvi  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:28:34pm

re: #160 Eclectic Cyborg

A lawsuit by immigration advocates is seeking to halt the fee spikes, arguing they violate immigrants’ due process and are invalid because the new fee rule was made by acting, not Senate-approved, department heads.

One of Trump’s (alleged) political heroes is Andrew Jackson, who among other terrible things he did in his life, famously ignored a Supreme Court ruling in order to commit genocide. So, the idea that Trump wouldn’t ignore a ruling on this between now and January isn’t something I’d consider out of bounds.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:29:23pm

re: #107 jaunte

Along with toe vs. “tow” the line.

AAAAgh yes!

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EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:31:26pm

re: #165 Jebediah, RBG

Insure vs. ensure irritates me the most, but that battle was lost long ago.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:31:29pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:32:56pm

re: #167 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

You thought people freaked out over masks? Imagine if these things became mandatory.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:33:05pm

re: #110 Eclectic Cyborg

How about champing at the bit?

Champ is at least an archaic word for chomp.
My personal NO, STOP, DON’T is:

If that’s what you think, you have another thing coming!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:35:02pm

Cranking up that projector again…

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KGxvi  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:35:12pm

re: #169 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Champ is at least an archaic word for chomp.
My personal NO, STOP, DON’T is:

If that’s what you think, you have another thing coming!

I mean, technically, a thought is a thing, so it’s not that wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:35:15pm

“completely destroyed” makes my teeth hurt every time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:35:44pm

re: #169 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Champ is at least an archaic word for chomp.
My personal NO, STOP, DON’T is:

If that’s what you think, you have another thing coming!

I could care less about such things.

///

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jeffreyw  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:37:01pm

re: #165 Jebediah, RBG

AAAAgh yes!

Very Unique

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KGxvi  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:37:06pm

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

You thought people freaked out over masks? Imagine if these things became mandatory.

It’s all fun and games until someone sneezes.

Also, can I get one that works as sunglasses?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:37:41pm

Whodda thunk it?

After balking at masks, pastor and church staff in North Idaho contract COVID-19

Paul Van Noy, the senior pastor at Candlelight Christian Fellowship, has spent the past two weeks in the ICU while his wife, Brenda Van Noy, recovered from her own bout with COVID-19 at home. Five other church staff have been infected, said Eric Reade, body ministry coordinator the church.

spokesman.com

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:40:00pm

Fake patriotism, endorsed by empty suits across the nation.

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EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:40:09pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

“completely destroyed” makes my teeth hurt every time.

Speaking of complete destruction, “decimate” used as a synonym for that is another pet peeve of mine.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:42:07pm

Actually, Trump’s pronouncement about teaching history has invigorated me for the fall quarter (starts on Monday). Every time I accurately and thoughtfully teach some history, it’s a big fuck you to Trump and his minions.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:42:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:42:37pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:43:18pm

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Whodda thunk it?

After balking at masks, pastor and church staff in North Idaho contract COVID-19

spokesman.com

It’s okay. God will protect them.

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:44:08pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:44:12pm

re: #178 EPR-radar

Speaking of complete destruction, “decimate” used as a synonym for that is another pet peeve of mine.

Right, doesn’t that actually mean reduce by a factor of ten or something along those lines?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:46:27pm
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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:46:36pm

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

Right, doesn’t that actually mean reduce by a factor of ten or something along those lines?

By a tenth.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:47:28pm

re: #186 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

By a tenth.

Ah, okay. I knew ten was in there somewhere.

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EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:47:45pm

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

Right, doesn’t that actually mean reduce by a factor of ten or something along those lines?

Its original meaning was just a 10% reduction.

What made it hard core was the context — killing 1 in 10 soldiers in a Roman Legion that had not met expectations as a military discipline.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:48:12pm
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mmmirele  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:48:25pm

re: #122 KGxvi

That’s not the whole story… there were also sugar plantations in the colonies. And it’s not like slavery was a brand new concept in Europe, it had existed almost continuously to some degree since the Roman Empire

Not to defend what was done in Europe, but it was rather different. Serfs/peasants came with the land and unlike slaves, they actually had quite a few, dare we say, rights as opposed to chattel slaves. This not to defend European serfdom, which was based on the idea that the lord protected his serfs and in exchange they were obligated to give him a percentage of their livestock, crops. etc. Of course, that’s not exactly how it worked in practice, where the lord’s share didn’t take into account crop failures, war and inflation.

This started falling apart in a big way after the bubonic plague swept through Europe, labor was scarce and serfs found they had a bargaining power they didn’t have before. It hastened through various political changes which ended feudalism and moved towards a state-based nationalism. That said, Russian serfdom hung around until 1866, but one could make the argument that Russia was autocratic and semi-feudal until the 1918 Revolution.

Slavery in the Americas was quite a different thing, and as a white woman descended from landless white Southerners, I have to point out the complicity my ancestors had in propping up slavery, and, later, Jim Crow. I hate this bullshit revisionism that tries to soft-pedal the fact that 4 million people were owned as chattel, movable property until the Emancipation Proclamation and Thirteenth Amendment. Grrrrrr.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:49:06pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Big 10 logo now spells “BIO”, short for hazard.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:49:37pm

re: #167 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

$200.00. not so bad. If I had to go out in the real world, I’d buy one.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:50:46pm

re: #171 KGxvi

I mean, technically, a thought is a thing, so it’s not that wrong.

Uhm… 👀

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:50:49pm

re: #190 mmmirele

Not to defend what was done in Europe, but it was rather different. Serfs/peasants came with the land and unlike slaves, they actually had quite a few, dare we say, rights as opposed to chattel slaves. This not to defend European serfdom, which was based on the idea that the lord protected his serfs and in exchange they were obligated to give him a percentage of their livestock, crops. etc. Of course, that’s not exactly how it worked in practice, where the lord’s share didn’t take into account crop failures, war and inflation.

This started falling apart in a big way after the bubonic plague swept through Europe, labor was scarce and serfs found they had a bargaining power they didn’t have before. It hastened through various political changes which ended feudalism and moved towards a state-based nationalism. That said, Russian serfdom hung around until 1866, but one could make the argument that Russia was autocratic and semi-feudal until the 1918 Revolution.

Slavery in the Americas was quite a different thing, and as a white woman descended from landless white Southerners, I have to point out the complicity my ancestors had in propping up slavery, and, later, Jim Crow. I hate this bullshit revisionism that tries to soft-pedal the fact that 4 million people were owned as chattel, movable property until the Emancipation Proclamation and Thirteenth Amendment. Grrrrrr.

It was after the Civil War that America enacted it’s own brand of serfdom (sharecropping).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:51:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:53:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:54:10pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:54:22pm

Officially reported Global Covid cases have now crossed 30 million.

I’m also EXTREMELY suspect of Chinas numbers. Still only reporting 90 000 or so cases in a country of over 1 BILLION people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:54:28pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:54:52pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

Twitler Youth

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KGxvi  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:54:55pm

re: #190 mmmirele

It’s been a while since I read much on it, but I vague recall the Spanish and Portuguese being behind chattel slavery in the colonies at the start, and they had different rules/traditions than the feudal lords in the rest of the continent. But it’s a bit outside my area of expertise.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:55:07pm

Entering the throw shit against the wall phase of the campaign.

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:55:35pm

re: #202 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Haven’t we been there since January 2017?

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Jack Burton  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:55:51pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t think anyone is actually saying that but a few Lakota groups, however if the Lakota seriously wanted to dynamite the damn thing and got the clearance more or less to do it, I’d donate to the cause.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:56:06pm

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

Twitler Youth

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!!!

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Jack Burton  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:56:40pm

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

Twitler Youth

You’ve won the internet today.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:56:59pm

re: #190 mmmirele

Not to defend what was done in Europe, but it was rather different. Serfs/peasants came with the land and unlike slaves, they actually had quite a few, dare we say, rights as opposed to chattel slaves. This not to defend European serfdom, which was based on the idea that the lord protected his serfs and in exchange they were obligated to give him a percentage of their livestock, crops. etc. Of course, that’s not exactly how it worked in practice, where the lord’s share didn’t take into account crop failures, war and inflation.

This started falling apart in a big way after the bubonic plague swept through Europe, labor was scarce and serfs found they had a bargaining power they didn’t have before. It hastened through various political changes which ended feudalism and moved towards a state-based nationalism. That said, Russian serfdom hung around until 1866, but one could make the argument that Russia was autocratic and semi-feudal until the 1918 Revolution.

Slavery in the Americas was quite a different thing, and as a white woman descended from landless white Southerners, I have to point out the complicity my ancestors had in propping up slavery, and, later, Jim Crow. I hate this bullshit revisionism that tries to soft-pedal the fact that 4 million people were owned as chattel, movable property until the Emancipation Proclamation and Thirteenth Amendment. Grrrrrr.

Russian serfdom actually became identical to slavery in all but name under Catherine the Great, who changed the law to allow serfs to be alienated without the land. Around 1760, I believe.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:57:08pm

I remember learning that the first slaves brought to the English colonies was Jamestown in 1619 hence why I immediately got the significance of the 1619 in 1619 Project. Trump is the last person who should be talking about our history when he clearly is ignorant of it.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:57:56pm

re: #194 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

It was after the Civil War that America enacted it’s own brand of serfdom (sharecropping).

That is not like serfdom. Seriously.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:58:14pm

re: #166 EPR-radar

Insure vs. ensure irritates me the most, but that battle was lost long ago.

I think you’re right about that. I worry that “affect” and “effect” is heading that way, too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 17, 2020 • 3:58:23pm

re: #207 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Russian serfdom actually became identical to slavery in all but name under Catherine the Great, who changed the law to allow serfs to be alienated without the land. Around 1760, I believe.

Yeah Russian serfdom was particularly awful. Czar Alexander was called the liberator because of freeing the serfs.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:00:17pm
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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:00:24pm

re: #211 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah Russian serfdom was particularly awful. Czar Alexander was called the liberator because of freeing the serfs.

It wasn’t “particularly” awful, just lasted longer than in other places.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:01:22pm

re: #213 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

It wasn’t “particularly” awful, just lasted longer than in other places.

Ahhh okay. Haven’t read too much on serfdom in the other countries and empires.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:02:38pm

re: #174 jeffreyw

Very Unique

That is an annoying one, for sure!
“These two things are both unique, but that one is more unique”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:04:12pm

*snerk*

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Citizen K  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:04:37pm

re: #130 KGxvi

I’m still very confused as to how/why Joe Rogan became a thing. I could never stand his commentary in UFC, and looking at his IMDB page, he hasn’t really done anything else.

I dunno, but god help me, I hear folks both on the far right and the very-online left treat him as some kind of god-prophet of the common man, and it’s genuinely fucking upsetting that he has as much purchase as he does, especially with as many problematic quotes as he has and how buddy buddy he’s been with guys like Jordan Peterson, Tim Pool, and other amazingly chuddish figures.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:04:50pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:06:49pm

Lre: #217 Citizen K

I dunno, but god help me, I hear folks both on the far right and the very-online left treat him as some kind of god-prophet of the common man, and it’s genuinely fucking upsetting that he has as much purchase as he does, especially with as many problematic quotes as he has and how buddy buddy he’s been with guys like Jordan Peterson, Tim Pool, and other amazingly chuddish figures.

There’s this overlap between extreme left and right that exists online. Rogan is definitely part of that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:07:49pm
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jaunte  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:08:36pm

re: #218 Sherlock Hound

“I won’t answer that,” he replied and turned away to take another question.

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mmmirele  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:08:39pm

re: #194 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

It was after the Civil War that America enacted it’s own brand of serfdom (sharecropping).

My father grew up in a sharecropping family in Oklahoma. It was the Great Depression and it was really the only way to make it if you were a divorced rural woman with farming skills. My aunt told me how our grandmother would plop her and her little brothers (my dad, my uncle) on the porch of the shack they lived in, sternly tell them not to get in any trouble, and then go off to work the fields. My dad told me how much he hated picking cotton, corn and beans. Once he told me that being in the Army up at the Korean DMZ and getting occasionally shot at by the Chicoms was easier than sharecropping. He hardly ever talked about farming and he certainly did not encourage it as a way of life.

But…and this is important…he was a white guy and didn’t have to worry about official and unofficial strictures on his movement, unlike the black children down the road in Boley.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:09:10pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Nicola is probably one of my favorite international leaders.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:09:21pm
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Citizen K  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:12:25pm

re: #219 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

L

There’s this overlap between extreme left and right that exists online. Rogan is definitely part of that.

It’s the very white-centric part of it that overlaps, I’m sure of it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:14:15pm

meanwhile in Ohio:

LITTLE MIAMI, Ohio (WKRC) - Little Miami Schools Superintendent Greg Powers took time on Thursday to address the recent controversial decision to suspend a couple football players who flew Thin Blue Line and Thin Red Line flags during a Friday night game.

There was intense public outcry at the decision to suspend the players from the team. The players were later reinstated and were even awarded scholarships from a local group.

Superintendent Powers says that many workers at the school district “all manner of hateful threats, of vulgar language,” along with accusations that the district was full of communists, socialists, and fascists.

snip

“This has got to stop, somebody is going to get hurt,” said Superintendent Powers. “Stop sending the threats, stop trying to characterize the educators… I am angry about this.”

“There is an element of ‘-ism” out there right now, when you see Confederate flags flying in the district along the Blue Line flag in this district, that sends a godawful, hateful message about who we are as a community,” said Superintendent Powers.

Powers says that he believes that a school reflects on its community and asks those sending hateful messages if they want a school that would allow hateful rhetoric to go unimpeded to be the type of school representing them on a national stage.

“I stand, we stand, the board stands by the decision we made to discipline a couple of students for insubordination,” said Superintendent Powers, making sure to clarify that the students were not punished for any reason other than insubordination.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:14:56pm

re: #222 mmmirele

My father grew up in a sharecropping family in Oklahoma. It was the Great Depression and it was really the only way to make it if you were a divorced rural woman with farming skills. My aunt told me how our grandmother would plop her and her little brothers (my dad, my uncle) on the porch of the shack they lived in, sternly tell them not to get in any trouble, and then go off to work the fields. My dad told me how much he hated picking cotton, corn and beans. Once he told me that being in the Army up at the Korean DMZ and getting occasionally shot at by the Chicoms was easier than sharecropping. He hardly ever talked about farming and he certainly did not encourage it as a way of life.

But…and this is important…he was a white guy and didn’t have to worry about official and unofficial strictures on his movement, unlike the black children down the road in Boley.

I’m more familiar with sharecropping contracts during Reconstruction and the Gilded Age where the terms really controlled what the farmers were allowed to do and set up to almost guarantee that the farmers would quickly become indebted to the landholder and basically stuck on the land. In some of the contracts, punishment for violating the term of the contract could include physical punishment.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:15:10pm

Lre: #225 Citizen K

It’s the very white-centric part of it that overlaps, I’m sure of it.

It’s that. Most white guys my age are either drawn to extreme left, right, libertarians. I’m a rarity in being center left and decidedly not into class reductionism.

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sagehen  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:15:47pm

re: #146 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I also learned about triangle trade in school. Only because that’s what it was — gins, slaves, rum — and it was always clear that one leg of the three was slaves.

1776 - Molasses To Rum

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plansbandc  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:37:12pm

re: #130 KGxvi

It’s the twenty something and thirty something bros who watch MMA. Rogan became a thing for them because he did/does? MMA commentary.

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Citizen K  Sep 17, 2020 • 4:41:03pm

re: #230 plansbandc

It’s the twenty something and thirty something bros who watch MMA. Rogan became a thing for them because he did/does? MMA commentary.

He still does interview work for UFC I’m pretty sure. That’s probably what the initial hook is, but the comforting dudebro apologism for bigots and misogynists is what reels them in..

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sagehen  Sep 17, 2020 • 5:14:53pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

The other value Einstein got from his college education… is Mileva.

From the school’s founding until the 1950’s, there was only ONE woman ever admitted. The dean wasn’t thrilled about letting her enroll, but she had the highest score on the entrance exam three years in a row, and her father showed up on campus every few months to harangue the administration, until finally they gave in.

She was Einstein’s first wife, and the mother of his children.

All his most famous papers, he had the conceptual breakthroughs but she did the math. She divorced him because he wouldn’t give her co-author credit, not even a thank you in the acknowledgements. (plus he was a slut — cheated on her loads). “Why can’t I come to the conference with you, Marie Curie’s husband takes her along to everything…”

One of the terms of their divorce settlement was that when he wins his Nobel (they both knew he would, they just questioned how long it would take), she gets the prize money.


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