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1
Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:47:26pm
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(((Archangel1)))  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:47:31pm

Damn it, this royally sucks. Rest in peace RBG.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:47:59pm

A very sad start to Jewish New Year. Shalom Ruth Bader Ginsberg. You are missed.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:48:21pm

Fuck.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:48:40pm

re: #4 I Would Prefer Not To

Fuck.

double fuck.

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nines09  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:48:45pm

Now can we fight?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:48:58pm

CLed (invoking another beautiful lady who has left us). I thought it might be more appropriate here.

re: #268 plansbandc

What an unbelievable life. RIP Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Ruth Bader Ginburg, 1954:

Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Cornell ‘54

She was a giant in her lifetime, she will still be a giant a thousand years from now.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:49:18pm

This makes me so sad. Damn it. She was such an amazing person with an amazing life. Also too, 2020 is a fucking asshole.

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(((Archangel1)))  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:49:52pm

Fuck all the GOP ghouls happily salivating at the prospect of a quick far-right replacement.
Fuck them with a thermite-laced industrial drill.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:49:53pm

This year man.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:50:39pm

We are fucked.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:52:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:52:35pm

gee, and trump just announced his list of potential SCOTUS picks.

blech,

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:52:40pm

Only if 4 GOP Senators have a single ounce of integrity can Trump be stopped from naming a new Justice. Unlikely.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:52:45pm

I hope that RBG’s death will be a wake-up to the lefties who only focus on the Presidential election and don’t understand or care about the broader implications. I mourn for her, but hope that her passing is a rallying point before the election.

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2020 Blue Wisconsin  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:54:16pm

Chuck Schumer better use every trick in the g’damn book to gum up the works and delay things as much as he possibly can because Mitch is going to absolutely be the total fucking hypocrite we all expect him to be and Trump’s Supremely Unqualified Court is going to erase all of the progressive gains America has made in the last 30 years.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:54:45pm

In accordance with the US Flag Code, 4 U.S. Code § 7. Position and manner of display (m), the Flag of the United States and all subordinate government agencies shall be placed at half-staff from the day of death until the day of interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court.

RBG was a lion of the court. She will be deeply missed.

I must go lower the flags in the village. I will return shortly.

Half-Staff Broadwater Village Hall
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calochortus  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:54:48pm

re: #14 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Only if 4 GOP Senators have a single ounce of integrity can Trump be stopped from naming a new Justice. Unlikely.

OTOH if there are 4 Senators who are worried enough about their reelection, it might convince them to tell McConnell privately that they won’t support him.
(Yeah, I know, but it’s possible.)

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Interesting Times  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:55:02pm

In which Twitter trends is bitterly apropos:

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piratedan  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:56:20pm

yeah, according to Mitch McConnell, the rules are what he says that they are..

RIP RBG, you have been and will continue to be an inspiration.

We will continue to fight for what is right and just because McConnell will do whatever McConnell will do, since he’s established a precedent that indicates that rules are what you say they are, with a Democratically controlled House, Senate and WH occupant, there’s no reason at all to not rewrite the rules into something fair and there’s no reason that people who were appointed to positions by traitors have to be allowed to keep their seats.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:57:10pm

OMG what terrible news.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:57:20pm

I don’t think there will be a nomination and confirmation before November 3.

I’m very, very worried about what happens in the lame duck session after that.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:57:53pm

Be strong, continue the fight. It’s what she wanted.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:58:42pm

As if 2020 didn’t suck enough already.

I can guara-damn-tee you Mitch and his buddies are going to ram a nominee through ASAP.

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:59:17pm

re: #22 i(m)p(each)sos

I don’t think there will be a nomination and confirmation before November 3.

I’m very, very worried about what happens in the lame duck session after that.

I wish I were that optimistic. IMO Trump is going to want to have another judge personally beholden to him on SCOTUS when the shit hits the fan legally from the 2020 election.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:59:42pm

Watch what Trump tweets now…I bet there’s a “keep the iPhone away” game going on….

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Interesting Times  Sep 18, 2020 • 4:59:55pm

re: #22 i(m)p(each)sos

I don’t think there will be a nomination and confirmation before November 3.

I’m very, very worried about what happens in the lame duck session after that.

This is a good point. I could see Moscow Mitch giving permission to “I’m very, very concerned” Collins and Gutless Gardner to vacillate on what they’d do in a desperate attempt to appear “moderate.” Then, if Dems win the Senate, ram through Beer-Keg Brett 2.0 during the lame-duck session.

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:00:32pm

re: #15 Barefoot Grin

I hope that RBG’s death will be a wake-up to the lefties who only focus on the Presidential election and don’t understand or care about the broader implications. I mourn for her, but hope that her passing is a rallying point before the election.

I have some fabulous artwork in my house, but I’m probably most proud of this plaque that I got from our Dem Women’s group when I finished my multi-term presidency. NOW MORE THAN EVER…

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:01:27pm

re: #28 BeachDem

I have some fabulous artwork in my house, but I’m probably most proud of this plaque that I got from our Dem Women’s group when I finished my multi-term presidency. NOW MORE THAN EVER…

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That’s powerful!

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:02:45pm

re: #27 Interesting Times

This is a good point. I could see Moscow Mitch giving permission to “I’m very, very concerned” Collins and Gutless Gardner to vacillate on what they’d do in a desperate attempt to appear “moderate.” Then, if Dems win the Senate, ram through Beer-Keg Brett 2.0 during the lame-duck session.

And if they lose, there’s even better reason to do the same thing.

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William Lewis  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:03:00pm

Crap. That was the last nail in the coffin for the USA. Moscow’s Bitch will ram through another fucker that makes the last two look good.

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Interesting Times  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:03:19pm

re: #28 BeachDem

I have some fabulous artwork in my house, but I’m probably most proud of this plaque that I got from our Dem Women’s group when I finished my multi-term presidency. NOW MORE THAN EVER…

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unproven innocence  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:03:33pm

My grandfather-like chime-on-the-hour clock fell silent earlier today. (Battery replaced; just chimed.) May RBG rest in peace.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:04:38pm

re: #30 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

And if they lose, there’s even better reason to do the same thing.

Yep if they do that. I’m honestly ready to expand the court too.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:05:01pm

re: #16 2020 Blue Wisconsin

Chuck Schumer better use every trick in the g’damn book to gum up the works and delay things as much as he possibly can because Mitch is going to absolutely be the total fucking hypocrite we all expect him to be and Trump’s Supremely Unqualified Court is going to erase all of the progressive gains America has made in the last 30 years.

More like the last 100 years.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:05:35pm

Horrible news, I hate this year.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:06:33pm

Trumpers already celebrating.

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Dragonomics  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:07:13pm

If Biden wins, there’s an abundance of evidence to impeach Kavanaugh.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:07:38pm

re: #22 i(m)p(each)sos

I don’t think there will be a nomination and confirmation before November 3.

I’m very, very worried about what happens in the lame duck session after that.

The new justice will be confirmed during the lame duck session, hopefully McConnell’s last as majority leader.

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:07:48pm

The justice dictated a statement to her granddaughter in the days before her death, NPR reported. Ginsburg said: “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.”

I

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:07:52pm

re: #31 William Lewis

Crap. That was the last nail in the coffin for the USA. Moscow’s Bitch will ram through another fucker that makes the last two look good.

Trump will have only one question for prospective nominees — “What will you do for me in the general election?”

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:07:59pm

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Okay, Cenk. Let’s hear your big ideas on how to stop McConnell.

Or you can just bitch and threaten Democrats instead.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:08:08pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

We bring him up anyway. We bring it up for all of the people who need an argument for waiting.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:08:18pm
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Interesting Times  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:08:31pm

re: #34 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yep if they do that. I’m honestly ready to expand the court too.

Hey, now, what’s that sound, the Overton Window coming ‘round…

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:09:29pm

re: #37 GlutenFreeJesus

Trumpers already celebrating.

The ones they told anyways,

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:09:35pm

This is devastating.

My prediction is that Trump uses the nomination as a campaign tool and an issue that gives him the attention he so deserves. I think they hold off on nominating someone until after the election. Trump will be insufferable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:10:46pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:10:49pm

re: #45 Interesting Times

Hey, now, what’s that sound, the Overton Window coming ‘round…

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I’ve been reticent about it but after Trump said he’d consider Cruz, Hawley, & the other asshole, I’m ready for it. McConnell’s game after Scalia was bad enough.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:10:56pm

re: #38 Dragonomics

If Biden wins, there’s an abundance of evidence to impeach Kavanaugh.

Won’t be able to get 67 votes in the Senate to remove him. The only solution is to expand the Court, which I predict the Democrats won’t do.

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Ferdinand  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:11:02pm

First and foremost, fuck 2020 for not allowing us the space and grace to honor her properly.
Second, there are a lot of scenarios where this might realistically finally spark a shooting war.
Third, if the GOP fills the seat and Biden takes office with a Democratic Senate there may well be huge public support for immediately adding seats to the court.
That’s my immediate read at least. Damn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:12:40pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:12:45pm

Wishing my fellow Jewish lizards a Shanah Tovah.

Year 5780 has been a nightmare for us all — ending with the passing of RBG. Her life was a blessing to the world. May 5781 wipe out the disaster that was 5780 and bring joy to the world.

May 5781 be a year of love, good health, peace, happiness and laughter. May you, your family and all those you love be blessed with all the good wishes from your hearts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:12:56pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:13:10pm

Convince me this doesn’t all but guarantee Roe goes down.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:13:21pm

re: #47 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

This is devastating.

My prediction is that Trump uses the nomination as a campaign tool and an issue that gives him the attention he so deserves. I think they hold off on nominating someone until after the election. Trump will be insufferable.

The volume can’t go up any louder.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:13:25pm

re: #47 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

This is devastating.

My prediction is that Trump uses the nomination as a campaign tool and an issue that gives him the attention he so deserves. I think they hold off on nominating someone until after the election. Trump will be insufferable.

He may nominate someone before the election to energize his evangelical base.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:13:31pm

I’d love to see a Cruz nomination get crushed by his own party. I believe it would happen.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:13:43pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wouldn’t trust Murkowski as far as I can throw her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:13:58pm
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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:14:38pm

re: #56 Belafon

The volume can’t go up any louder.

Unfortunately, I think it can.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:14:41pm

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

I wouldn’t trust Murkowski as far as I can throw her.

My thoughts exactly.

The “Merrick Garland rule” will be thrown right out the window, and we all know it. Trump will push a nominee, McConnell will bum-rush it right through, and we will be well and truly fucked for a generation. Two decades, at least.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:14:43pm

re: #57 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He may nominate someone before the election to energize his evangelical base.

Or use it as a carrot on a stick I.e “vote for me and get a brand new SCOTUS justice!”

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Interesting Times  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:14:53pm

So, yeah. If you thought today’s early vote lines were long…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:15:37pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

Convince me this doesn’t all but guarantee Roe goes down.

I can’t, sorry.

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gocart mozart  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:16:14pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:16:52pm

Anyone got an extra wall I can beat the hell out of right now? I need to work through some anger.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:16:57pm

re: #57 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He may nominate someone before the election to energize his evangelical base.

Trump people think they are campaign masterminds. I see them dangling nominations to appeal to different groups of RWNJs. These days, Trump seems fond of saying he’ll do something but only if he’s reelected.

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plansbandc  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:17:05pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s finished. So is same sex marriage. So is Obama care and preexisting conditions protection. And it will be legal to discriminate against gay people, trans people, and brown people.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:17:19pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

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In Minnesota no less where the 1st Minnesota suffered 80% casualties on the second day of Gettysburg. Not that imbeciles that worship him care.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:17:50pm

re: #66 gocart mozart

The problem is Mcconnell controlled the chamber when he said that so he could make good on it. Schumer can say it but he can’t guarantee it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:18:05pm

re: #66 gocart mozart

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Mitch ain’t gonna care but we can and win the battle of words.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:18:19pm

re: #70 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

In Minnesota no less where the 1st Minnesota suffered 80% casualties on the second day of Gettysburg. Not that imbeciles that worship him care.

I wouldn’t worry. We remember how he shafted us on our PPE, and came after 3M (and others) because they wouldn’t suck his dick when he needed to shore up the federal stockpile.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:18:25pm

He’s going to put Ted Cruz on the court…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:18:35pm

re: #68 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

Trump people think they are campaign masterminds. I see them dangling nominations to appeal to different groups of RWNJs. These days, Trump seems fond of saying he’ll do something but only if he’s reelected.

Our one hope is if Trump does that and loses, he checks out and doesn’t bother to nominate anyone.

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Dragonomics  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:18:54pm

How do you type out a long hair-pulling anguished howl of grief and wrath?

Asking for a friend.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:19:09pm

re: #73 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I wouldn’t worry. We remember how he shafted us on our PPE, and came after 3M (and others) because they wouldn’t suck his dick when he needed to shore up the federal stockpile.

I’m ashamed that I have family that support this fuckface son of a bitch.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:19:33pm

I saw this today and gave a lighthearted chuckle.

Now I’m giving it serious consideration:

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:19:47pm

re: #74 🌹UOJB!

He’s going to put Ted Cruz on the court…

Can Cruz vote for Cruz?

Because if he can’t, there’s not much margin to get him through without Murkowski (and I’m guessing Collins and maybe Romney.)

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Charles Johnson  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:19:49pm

This isn’t a complete surprise. I knew it was a matter of months, not years. At 87 nothing is minor. I’m sure she was hoping to stay alive long enough to see Trump go down, but it was not to be.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:19:55pm

re: #77 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m ashamed that I have family that support this fuckface son of a bitch.

So do I, so we can commiserate on that. In fact, my father and father-in-law were spouting conspiracy theories in my own kitchen two weeks ago when they were both here. I nearly kicked them out of the house when they started trash-talking Dr. Fauci.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:20:27pm

re: #75 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Our one hope is if Trump does that and loses, he checks out and doesn’t bother to nominate anyone.

I had that thought too. Twitter should start planting the seed that if Trump loses, it’s Mitch’s fault. Get Trump to turn on Mitch, and he’ll withhold the nom for spite.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:20:31pm

re: #74 🌹UOJB!

He’s going to put Ted Cruz on the court…

No, this is gonna be one more ‘fuck you’ to Cruz. But he’ll mention Cruz a few times to get his hopes up first.

I’m thinking Tom Cotton.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:20:49pm

re: #78 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw this today and gave a lighthearted chuckle.

Now I’m giving it serious consideration:

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Oh, I’ve been drinking for awhile.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:20:55pm

re: #77 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m ashamed that I have family that support this fuckface son of a bitch.

Yeah.

Meanwhile my family is having an orgasm on Facebook because the Court will finally be allowed to impose their Christian religion on us…

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:20:59pm

The only card the Schumer has to play is preserving the filibuster if the Dems take back the Senate.

The GOP have have a Justice or the filibuster, they can’t have both.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:21:10pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

This isn’t a complete surprise. I knew it was a matter of months, not years. At 87 nothing is minor. I’m sure she was hoping to stay alive long enough to see Trump go down, but it was not to be.

Like my Grandma, like Reps Cummings and Lewis, & millions of others I wanted her to see our democracy rebound after this madness.

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aatharuv  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:21:14pm

re: #83 makeitstop

No, this is gonna be one more ‘fuck you’ to Cruz. But he’ll mention Cruz a few times to get his hopes up first.

I’m thinking Tom Cotton.

Possibly Josh Hawley — he’s a lot younger.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:21:46pm

re: #85 🌹UOJB!

Yeah.

Meanwhile my family is having an orgasm on Facebook because the Court will finally be allowed to impose their Christian religion on us…

I hope they are as happy as Falwell is.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:21:48pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

This isn’t a complete surprise. I knew it was a matter of months, not years. At 87 nothing is minor. I’m sure she was hoping to stay alive long enough to see Trump go down, but it was not to be.

Devastating, nevertheless.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:21:51pm

I’m seeing people say this will energize the Right. One guy said it would energize the Right like the Kavanaugh hearings did.

Remind me - how did the 2018 election go for them?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:21:53pm

re: #88 aatharuv

Possibly Josh Hawley — he’s a lot younger.

Also eliminates a competitor for Don Jr.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:22:22pm

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Also eliminates a competitor for Don Jr. Princess Ivanka

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:22:37pm

re: #86 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

The only card the Schumer has to play is preserving the filibuster if the Dems take back the Senate.

The GOP have have a Justice or the filibuster, they can’t have both.

No. There’s packing the Court.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:23:09pm

re: #68 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

Trump people think they are campaign masterminds. I see them dangling nominations to appeal to different groups of RWNJs. These days, Trump seems fond of saying he’ll do something but only if he’s reelected.

and none of it comes to fruition

ever

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:23:12pm

re: #93 🌹UOJB!

They’re not gonna nominate a woman and Ivanka doesn’t know how to pander to the morons but Jr does but atd.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:23:13pm

re: #50 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Won’t be able to get 67 votes in the Senate to remove him. The only solution is to expand the Court, which I predict the Democrats won’t do.

If they dig up enough information, he may be convinced to resign. An investigation may be embarrassing.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:23:44pm

re: #83 makeitstop

No, this is gonna be one more ‘fuck you’ to Cruz. But he’ll mention Cruz a few times to get his hopes up first.

I’m thinking Tom Cotton.

Cotton wants to be Führer. It will be a judge from the federalist wish list, is my guess.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:24:12pm

Folks I will be back Saturday night.

THIS IS NO WAY TO START THE NEW YEAR… .

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:24:20pm

re: #94 Blind Frog Belly White

No. There’s packing the Court.

FDR couldn’t do it, doubt Biden can either

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:24:45pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

This isn’t a complete surprise. I knew it was a matter of months, not years. At 87 nothing is minor. I’m sure she was hoping to stay alive long enough to see Trump go down, but it was not to be.

No, it’s not. It’s a shock and a damn shame, though. She deserved better than to die not knowing.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:24:56pm

re: #98 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Cotton wants to be Führer. It will be a judge from the federalist wish list, is my guess.

Yeah, it’ll be some young asshole 4 years out of law school with no trial experience.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:25:24pm

re: #91 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m seeing people say this will energize the Right. One guy said it would energize the Right like the Kavanaugh hearings did.

Remind me - how did the 2018 election go for them?

This is going to energize both sides, and there are more of us.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:26:31pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:27:02pm

re: #100 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

FDR couldn’t do it, doubt Biden can either

Simple majority in the House and Senate, plus the President signing (I believe) is all that’s required.

FDR didn’t have as much reason.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:27:10pm

re: #103 NO SMOCKING GUN!

This is going to energize both sides, and there are more of us.

That is true. It’s time to send Trump back to hell where he belongs.

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bmoak  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:27:10pm

It won’t be a sitting Senator.

Just as Republicans replaced Thurgood Marshall with Clarence Thomas, they will replace RGB with Amy Coney Barrett.

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Egregious Philbin  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:27:12pm

Its gonna be one of those nights with too much beer, bad food and weed. I’m just paralyzed, I can’t even turn the TV on, can’t process all the “What if’s” and theories and watching the assholes on the right celebrate this…

If this doesn’t get Biden supporters out, nothing will.

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Interesting Times  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:27:16pm

re: #100 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

FDR couldn’t do it, doubt Biden can either

But like I said in the previous thread, the Overton Window on this is already shifting. Filling the vacancy now would be such a blatant bad-faith maneuver on the GOP’s part that court-packing becomes a reasonable response:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:28:20pm

re: #102 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

Yeah, it’ll be some young asshole 4 years out of law school with no trial experience.

No, they can’t risk not getting the 50 votes they need with an obviously unqualified pick. It will be someone currently on the bench with hard right credentials.

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:28:34pm

re: #79 i(m)p(each)sos

Can Cruz vote for Cruz?

Because if he can’t, there’s not much margin to get him through without Murkowski (and I’m guessing Collins and maybe Romney.)

When Trump announced Cruz as part of the 20-name list Wednesday, the senator issued a statement suggesting he was satisfied with remaining in Congress. He more explicitly said he wasn’t interested during a Fox News interview Sunday.

“Do you want the job?” host Maria Bartiromo asked.

“I don’t,” Cruz responded. “It is deeply honoring, it’s humbling to be included in the list … but it’s not the desire of my heart. I want to be in the political fight.”

texastribune.org

Then there’s Tom Cotton, whose legal expertise includes a clerkship and a short stint at law firms to pay off his college loans—yeah, so qualified.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:28:58pm

Trump could hold the seat hostage to make them re-elect him:

Wouldn’t put it past the slimy bastard lol

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:29:39pm

re: #107 bmoak

It won’t be a sitting Senator.

Just as Republicans replaced Thurgood Marshall with Clarence Thomas, they will replace RGB with Amy Coney Barrett.

I had forgotten about her. Yes, a woman for a woman to keep the gender folks on their heels, but a strict anti-abortion person as well.

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b_sharp  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:29:59pm

My condolences to RBG’s family and my American friends.

I’m afraid 2020 hates the US.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:30:25pm

re: #112 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Trump could hold the seat hostage to make them re-elect him:

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Wouldn’t put it past the slimy bastard lol

Really, though, it was always going to be an election to choose who would replace RBG. The Right knew it all along. Now we know it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:30:44pm

Now that I’ve had time to think, he will wait until after the election. Won’t matter if he wins or loses.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:31:05pm

And now I’m angry about 2016 all over again. Thanks Stein, Johnson, & Hamrabe voters. Fuck got, you feckless fucks.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:31:09pm

re: #112 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Trump could hold the seat hostage to make them re-elect him:

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Wouldn’t put it past the slimy bastard lol

McConnell probably approves of this strategy. It would truly energize the base and might help keep the GOP in control.

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danarchy  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:32:07pm

re: #88 aatharuv

Possibly Josh Hawley — he’s a lot younger.

He isn’t going to nominate a senator. It will probably be someone like Amy Coney Barrett.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:32:16pm

re: #118 Hecuba’s daughter

McConnell probably approves of this strategy. It would truly energize the base and might help keep the GOP in control.

Or it could backfire spectacularly because Dems realize what is now at stake.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:32:30pm

If Trump loses then he’ll nominate himself to the Supreme Court, you can’t throw a Supreme Court Justice in jail can you?

lol, it’s his only out…..

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:32:53pm

re: #112 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Trump could hold the seat hostage to make them re-elect him:

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Wouldn’t put it past the slimy bastard lol

But then he can just do it after the election, or am I missing something?

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secretslothbear  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:33:15pm

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

I wouldn’t trust Murkowski as far as I can throw her.

She opposed Kavanaugh, for whatever that’s worth.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:33:26pm

re: #120 Eclectic Cyborg

Or it could backfire spectacularly because Dems realize what is now at stake.

Exactly. They thought Kavanaugh would save them in 2018.

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William Lewis  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:33:47pm

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:33:48pm

re: #120 Eclectic Cyborg

Or it could backfire spectacularly because Dems realize what is now at stake.

For all those 5 or 6 fringe lefties, they now really have a choice.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:33:54pm

re: #124 Blind Frog Belly White

Exactly. They thought Kavanaugh would save them in 2018.

It saved the Senate for them.

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:34:08pm

re: #123 secretslothbear

She opposed Kavanaugh, for whatever that’s worth.

Not much. McConnell hands out these little permission slips when he has the votes to do what he wants.

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Dragonomics  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:34:54pm

Don’t worry, right? Because won’t Hillary and Bill have their super badass ninja assassins take out all the conservative justices? What? No? Get with it people. They did it to Scalia!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:35:25pm

re: #127 Hecuba’s daughter

It saved the Senate for them.

They were always going to gain seats in 2018 - too many Dems defending in red states. They gained fewer than expected.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:35:43pm

re: #110 NO SMOCKING GUN!

No, they can’t risk not getting the 50 votes they need with an obviously unqualified pick. It will be someone currently on the bench with hard right credentials.

Daniel Cameron is creaming his jeans right now…too no avail

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:36:05pm
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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:36:20pm

If McConnell rushes this, it’s practically a guarantee that they’ll end up losing the Senate.
Hell, Mitch might even get voted out over it.

The question is, does McConnell believe that getting that next justice is worth risking the destruction of the GOP?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:36:44pm

Lre: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

They were always going to gain seats in 2018 - too many Dems defending in red states. They gained fewer than expected.

Yeah that they gained seats in 2018 doesn’t tell the full story.

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aatharuv  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:37:06pm

re: #133 makeitstop

If McConnell rushes this, it’s practically a guarantee that they’ll end up losing the Senate.
Hell, Mitch might even get voted out over it.

The question is, does McConnell believe that getting that next justice is worth risking the destruction of the GOP?

If he thinks this is the last time the GOP ( in its current form) will actually win, just possibly.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:37:09pm

re: #122 Barefoot Grin

But then he can just do it after the election, or am I missing something?

If the GOP loses the Senate in November Chuck holds all of the cards on what the next 2 years will be about, Mitch will have to cut a deal and it would probably involve losing that seat to have a voice in the next session.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:37:54pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Daniel Cameron is creaming his jeans right now…too avail

I’m sure Daniel is fully aware he was merely a token. 0 chance Trump nominates him; he is overwhelmingly unqualified.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:38:28pm

re: #133 makeitstop

If McConnell rushes this, it’s practically a guarantee that they’ll end up losing the Senate.
Hell, Mitch might even get voted out over it.

The question is, does McConnell believe that getting that next justice is worth risking the destruction of the GOP?

That’s the question. Honestly I’m not really fretting now about the seat itself but what we’ve lost tonight. She really was a giant. I encourage everyone to read about RBG’s career. She was for women what Thurgood Marshall was for African Americans.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:38:32pm

Just found out my favorite pizza place now does delivery to my address through Door Dash. Am waiting for a pizza pie. Once it gets here, my night will be full of wine, pizza and pot. (oh my)

Fuck 2020

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:38:41pm

re: #117 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And now I’m angry about 2016 all over again. Thanks Stein, Johnson, & Hamrabe voters. Fuck got, you feckless fucks.

And that self-righteous Comey.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:38:49pm

This is more than depressing.

I do believe that it will energize the left more than the right. Republican hypocrisy will be on full display. It sucks that we will have to for things that we fought so hard to earn. It is a step back, but the election will be two steps forward.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:39:06pm

The reason we all rely so heavily on SCOTUS is the filibuster. The repugs have been using it for many years to block every change the majority might want. Get rid of that and the Court’s importance isn’t so great.

In other words, nothing has changed. We need to elect Biden, we need to take back the Senate. On a local level, people need to get involved and VOTE so that the nazis and confederates no longer have the voice they have now in state and local policies. Look around and you will see it happening already.

As to expanding the Court, I’d be fine with it, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. But it’s not a fixed entity, and and justices can change (it’s happened before), as can the makeup of the court.

And I’m out for now. I’m already sick of the painting of horrid pictures of the future, without even a decent interval to remember RBG and her accomplishments.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:39:14pm

re: #133 makeitstop

If McConnell rushes this, it’s practically a guarantee that they’ll end up losing the Senate.
Hell, Mitch might even get voted out over it.

The question is, does McConnell believe that getting that next justice is worth risking the destruction of the GOP?

They’ll confirm him during the lame duck session, if Trump makes a nomination.

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Interesting Times  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:39:22pm

re: #117 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And now I’m angry about 2016 all over again. Thanks Stein, Johnson, & Hamrabe voters. Fuck got, you feckless fucks.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:40:53pm

re: #140 BlueSpotinAL

And that self-righteous Comey.

So many factors. We may yet recover but that election was a watershed moment and so many of us blew it.

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secretslothbear  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:42:09pm

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

They were always going to gain seats in 2018 - too many Dems defending in red states. They gained fewer than expected.

Democrats went 24-11, counting Sanders and King.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:42:10pm
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Egregious Philbin  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:42:54pm

Do it for Ruth 2020!

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:42:56pm

re: #136 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

If the GOP loses the Senate in November Chuck holds all of the cards on what the next 2 years will be about, Mitch will have to cut a deal and it would probably involve losing that seat to have a voice in the next session.

Thank you.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:43:46pm

re: #133 makeitstop

If McConnell rushes this, it’s practically a guarantee that they’ll end up losing the Senate.
Hell, Mitch might even get voted out over it.

The question is, does McConnell believe that getting that next justice is worth risking the destruction of the GOP?

We tend to think that all Supreme Court decisions are final, but they’re not. Say the court strikes down Roe. Democrats pass a law making it legal.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:45:02pm

re: #149 Barefoot Grin

Thank you.

If Schumer trades the filibuster for that seat, its a bad deal. McConnell will keep us in a Depression for 4 years to get a fascist elected President in 2024.

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Citizen K  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:46:18pm

We’re fucked, aren’t we?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:46:39pm

re: #152 Citizen K

We’re fucked, aren’t we?

That is a Texas-size 10-4.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:46:59pm

re: #152 Citizen K

We’re fucked, aren’t we?

In a word, no.

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:47:09pm

This is interesting

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:47:45pm

re: #155 BeachDem

This is interesting

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Berry much so.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:49:17pm

re: #150 Belafon

We tend to think that all Supreme Vourt decisions are final, but they’re not. Say the court strikes down Roe. Democrats pass a law making it legal.

Yeah we can always counter a right turn Scotus with federal legislation.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:50:27pm

The current situation sucks, but take a little solace in the fact that the Trump administration is every bit as inept as it is corrupt.

They could very well fuck it all up for themselves.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:51:17pm

re: #152 Citizen K

We’re fucked, aren’t we?

I’d still rather be us than them.

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steve_davis  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:51:35pm

I’ve been surprised before, but I would predict there is absolutely no way in hell a supreme court justice makes it through the works before the election. they may try to ram something through afterwards in a lame duck session, but all that would do would ensure that Biden and the new Democratic senate would pack the court. At that point, decorum would be out the window.

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Egregious Philbin  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:51:59pm

“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president.”

— Mitch McConnell, March 2016.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:52:42pm

i’mre: #155 BeachDem

This is interesting

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Whoa. That’s HUGE.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:53:08pm

re: #158 makeitstop

The current situation sucks, but take a little solace in the fact that the Trump administration is every bit as inept as it is corrupt.

They could very well fuck it all up for themselves.

If past is prologue.

I, for one, eagerly await the Ivanka Trump Supreme Court Justice nomination hearings lol.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:53:20pm

re: #161 Egregious Philbin

if you look up through this thread, Schumer quoted exactly those words.

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:53:34pm

re: #161 Egregious Philbin

“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president.”

— Mitch McConnell, March 2016.

And then there’s that man of honor and righteousness, Lindsey Graham. I’m SURE he’s as good as his word/////////////////

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Egregious Philbin  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:54:16pm

re: #155 BeachDem

Kelly is gonna win, trust me, us zonies really hate Martha.

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Charmingly Persistent  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:54:24pm

Here’s why I think we will get a nomination, and well before the election too:

Trump needs another justice to help him steal the election.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:54:46pm

The thing you have to remember about claims that this will energize the Right - they ALWAYS pay attention to this. We on the Left think about the courts far too little. WAY less than the Right. Everyone knew RBG would not be on the Court through the next Administration, whoever was President. I don’t know that RBG’s death adds much to the energy for the Right.

But it will energize us.

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TedStriker  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:55:40pm

re: #152 Citizen K

We’re fucked, aren’t we?

re: #153 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That is a Texas-size 10-4.

Can we not go directly into hardcore doom-and-gloom already? Losing the Notorious RBG before the year was out was always gonna be likely, because fighting recurrent cancer at 87 has such poor odds, even for someone of her position having access to world-class healthcare. Putting everything on her getting through Inauguration Day was not only unrealistic, but hugely unfair to her.

That said, we do what we have to: we grieve her loss, then we fight like hell. I think that’s what she’d want.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:55:48pm

re: #165 BeachDem

that quote says nothing about not approving a nominee after the election but before the next president.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:56:32pm

re: #166 Egregious Philbin

Kelly is gonna win, trust me, us zonies really hate Martha.

She could be perhaps the first person in history to lose both Senate seats for her party.

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:56:57pm

re: #166 Egregious Philbin

Kelly is gonna win, trust me, us zonies really hate Martha.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:57:43pm

re: #161 Egregious Philbin

“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president.”

— Mitch McConnell, March 2016.

Schumer used that exact same quote earlier.

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:58:10pm

re: #167 Charmingly Persistent

Here’s why I think we will get a nomination, and well before the election too:

Trump needs another justice to help him steal the election.

This. I think there will be a conflict between McConnell (lame duck confirmation is better for him) and Trump (who wants another of his creatures on the court for stealing the election).

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Jay C  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:58:38pm

re: #155 BeachDem

This is interesting

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Wont open (paywall?) - what’s their basis for this? I though Senate seats only “vacated” at the end of the session

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:59:41pm

re: #137 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m sure Daniel is fully aware he was merely a token. 0 chance Trump nominates him; he is overwhelmingly unqualified.

He is also a horrible Kentucky AG

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bmoak  Sep 18, 2020 • 5:59:57pm

re: #173 makeitstop

McConnell just issued a statement saying that Trump’s nominee will have a vote in the Senate.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:00:05pm

re: #175 Jay C

Wont open (paywall?) - what’s their basis for this? I though Senate seats only “vacated” at the end of the session

Might be decided by state law. IANAL tho

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:01:56pm

The Washington Post has given RBG a banner headline (or what appears to be one online)
washingtonpost.com

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(((Archangel1)))  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:02:15pm

Not even 24 freaking hours after her death:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:02:25pm

re: #47 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

This is devastating.

My prediction is that Trump uses the nomination as a campaign tool and an issue that gives him the attention he so deserves. I think they hold off on nominating someone until after the election. Trump will be insufferable.

The new Congress takes office on January 3. They don’t have a whole lot of time, since the lame-duck session includes Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Day, and New Year’s Day.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:02:31pm

re: #177 bmoak

McConnell just issued a statement saying that Trump’s nominee will have a vote in the Senate.

Swinging for the fences, then. OK.

I think that will cost them the Senate.

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:02:46pm

re: #177 bmoak

McConnell just issued a statement saying that Trump’s nominee will have a vote in the Senate.

This means war.

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:02:46pm

re: #175 Jay C

Wont open (paywall?) - what’s their basis for this? I though Senate seats only “vacated” at the end of the session

Two Republican and Democratic election attorneys agree that state law and Senate practices would make Kelly eligible to take over the seat once held by Sen. John McCain as soon as Nov. 30, when the state election results are expected to be canvassed…

“Everything in statute suggests it happens very quickly after the election results are finalized,” Mary O’Grady, an attorney specializing in election law and a Democrat, said.

Thomas Basile, a Republican who also specializes in election law, added, “In the ordinary course, in an ordinary Senate election, the winner of the election would begin his or her term until January. But in this context, a special election to fill a vacancy in a pending term … the winner could be sworn in and seated earlier than he or she otherwise would be if this were a regular election.”

The cached version gets around the paywall

webcache.googleusercontent.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:03:22pm

re: #180 (((Archangel1)))

Not even 24 freaking hours after her death:

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God I despise that asshole.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:03:47pm

re: #180 (((Archangel1)))

Not even 24 freaking hours after her death:

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That seat is f*cking golden and nobody knows it more than Donald. Mitch has already said he would vote for Trump’s nominee and he hasn’t even heard Donald’s price yet……

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:04:46pm

re: #186 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

That seat is f*cking golden and nobody knows it more than Donald. Mitch has already said he would vote for Trump’s nominee and he hasn’t even heard Donald’s price yet……

He knows it will be one of the hacks from the Federalist Society who are nothing but the judicial wing of his party.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:05:42pm

re: #185 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You are not the only one.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:06:51pm

re: #188 PhillyPretzel

You are not the only one.

Nothing but a 21st century John C. Calhoun, that one.

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Jay C  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:06:51pm

Just heard on the news that Mitch McConnell officially stated that the Senate will consider any nomination Trump might send in.
And the Orange Asshole reportedly said he’d be sending one in.
Fuck

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:06:55pm

re: #180 (((Archangel1)))

Outstandingly bad appointments, eh?

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:07:25pm

re: #187 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He knows it will be one of the hacks from the Federalist Society who are nothing but the judicial wing of his party.

Trump is on his way out and he knows it, this is one of his last chances to extort the government. Trump is not going to just hand this to Mitch, he wants something.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:07:37pm

re: #190 Jay C

Just heard on the news that Mitch McConnell officially stated that the Senate will consider any nomination Trump might send in.
And the Orange Asshole reportedly said he’d be sending one in.
Fuck

Did I call it or did I call it?

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William Lewis  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:07:56pm

re: #187 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He knows it will be one of the hacks from the Federalist Society who are nothing but the judicial wing of his party.

And the pick will be vetted by their boss in Moscow.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:08:00pm

The Ghouls and Ogres Party.

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(((Archangel1)))  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:08:11pm
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:08:44pm

re: #196 (((Archangel1)))

Amen.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:10:28pm

Apparently Romney has also come out against a nomination before the election. (No link, saw it on Twitter)

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:11:24pm

re: #198 makeitstop

Apparently Romney has also come out against a nomination before the election. (No link, saw it on Twitter)

Collins will be interesting.

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teleskiguy  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:12:47pm
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sagehen  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:13:12pm

re: #196 (((Archangel1)))

Not even 4 hours.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:13:15pm

re: #200 teleskiguy

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It won’t last forever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:13:20pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:13:54pm

re: #201 sagehen

Not even 4 hours.

Not even 2. Mitch can rot in hell with Roy Cohn.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:13:57pm

re: #199 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Collins will be interesting concerned.

FTFY

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aatharuv  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:14:38pm

re: #199 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Collins will be interesting.

She’ll be concerned that the nomination is proceeding that soon. Unless she’s _really_ concerned about her reelection chances…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:17:05pm

Let’s not beat around the bush: The Supreme Court is now going to be stacked in the Republicans’ favor for the next 20 years. Let’s just focus on working around it, to minimize the impact that this has. We have to win in November, both the Senate and the Presidency. It’s the only way we live.

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:17:47pm

re: #206 aatharuv

She’ll be concerned that the nomination is proceeding that soon. Unless she’s _really_ concerned about her reelection chances…

Collins is a yes on any Trump judge. She’s the worst when it comes to pretending to be concerned, then turning around and voting strict GOP party line whenever McConnell really needs her vote.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:18:30pm

re: #208 EPR-radar

Collins is a yes on any Trump judge. She’s the worst when it comes to pretending to be concerned, then turning around and voting strict GOP party line whenever McConnell really needs her vote.

She’s the worst because she pretends to have a conscience when she’s really just a rubber stamp.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:19:52pm

re: #180 (((Archangel1)))

Not even 24 freaking hours after her death:

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:20:04pm

re: #208 EPR-radar

Collins is a yes on any Trump judge. She’s the worst when it comes to pretending to be concerned, then turning around and voting strict GOP party line whenever McConnell really needs her vote.

She claimed to want a Garland hearing at the time. She’ll claim consistency although it was a head fake at the time.

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:21:00pm

re: #207 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Let’s not beat around the bush: The Supreme Court is now going to be stacked in the Republicans’ favor for the next 20 years. Let’s just focus on working around it, to minimize the impact that this has. We have to win in November, both the Senate and the Presidency. It’s the only way we live.

In the long run, the supreme court is more often an impediment to progress than not. For every good decision there are 2+ bad ones.

However, the trend has been for SCOTUS decisions to have ever-increasing impact. So working around a fascist Supreme Court will be more difficult now than when FDR had to do it back in the 1930s.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:22:49pm

Adam Silverman over at Balloon Juice is calling it…and there will be blood: balloon-juice.com

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William Lewis  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:27:39pm

Moscow’s Bitch is going to turn the Senate into Ft Sumter, MKII, isn’t he? Determined to ram that seat through no matter what.

This is going to break the nation.

Xi & Putin are dancing with joy tonight because this is the end of the US as a world power.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:28:36pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:32:45pm

Important to remember this:

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:34:15pm

re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White

The chapter is written but the book is not finished. I know I was reminded of that today.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:36:34pm

Stay classy Joni.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:37:19pm

^^THIS^^

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:38:30pm
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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:39:07pm
I left the Dark Side permanently about 1991. I was a Republican for many years until I realized that the right-wingers don’t give a damn about anyone but the people at the top. I became a part of this community early on, lurking in 2002, joining up in 2003. I’m #2138. I’ve been here a while.

But g-d damn it, one thing I’ve noticed is that way too many Democrats have too much “quit” in them. Most of them don’t, but too many do.

You think I don’t understand?

You think I’m not grieving this terrible loss?

You think I don’t know what despair is?

BUT I DON’T JUST SURRENDER AND GIVE UP, AND I HOPE NONE OF YOU DO EITHER. I GET OFF THE DAMN FLOOR. HOW ABOUT YOU?

m.dailykos.com

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:39:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:39:35pm
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:39:50pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

The only person who comes to mind right now who would be close to what Ruth Bader Ginsburg would be Hillary Rodham Clinton but I know that will not happen.

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William Lewis  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:40:05pm

re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White

Important to remember this:

I wish I believed that. But then I remember the 1860 election.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:40:58pm

re: #224 PhillyPretzel

The only person who comes to mind right now who would be close to what Ruth Bader Ginsburg would be Hillary Rodham Clinton but I know that will not happen.

that would be a brilliant pick for Biden.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:41:04pm

re: #225 William Lewis

I wish I believed that. But then I remember the 1860 election.

I’ve never felt us as close to 1860 or 1937 as we are now.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:41:53pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

that would be a brilliant pick for Biden.

She would be but I want someone who I feel will be there as long as RBG.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:41:58pm

I’m a little high so please excuse the typos.

I want to use some of my extra unemployment money to donate to senate candidates that have a chance. (NYS is giving me an extra 300 a week). Don’t really want to do individuals. the email from Joe alone is killing me.

What orgs are best for this? There is a number of orgs on act blue, but some seem to only give to the longshots.

your feedback is appreciated.

trying to do something positive in these trying times.

FT

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:42:13pm

Just a little levity to help us cope.

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William Lewis  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:42:26pm

re: #227 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’ve never felt us as close to 1860 or 1937 as we are now.

If we hadn’t had the generals be so explicit about constitutional orders earlier this year, I’d have said 1935.

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(((Archangel1)))  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:43:00pm

re: #224 PhillyPretzel

The only person who comes to mind right now who would be close to what Ruth Bader Ginsburg would be Hillary Rodham Clinton but I know that will not happen.

See my pinned twitter post:

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William Lewis  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:43:56pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

that would be a brilliant pick for Biden.

No it wouldn’t. It would guarantee major violence and, at minimum, turning the supreme court building into an Oklahoma City type disaster. The far right hates her that badly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:43:57pm

re: #231 William Lewis

If we hadn’t had the generals be so explicit about constitutional orders earlier this year, I’d have said 1935.

I’m just glad he’s alienated the military but damn.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:44:42pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:44:51pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:45:16pm

re: #233 William Lewis

No it wouldn’t. It would guarantee major violence and, at minimum, turning the supreme court building into an Oklahoma City type disaster. The far right hates her that badly.

Yeah I like her but there are plenty of qualified women who can do the job. I like HRC but someone else here.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:45:26pm
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William Lewis  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:45:31pm

re: #222 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

This I can agree with - practical consequences that we can actually do that won’t increase the amount of right wing violence.

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teleskiguy  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:46:22pm

Some kind of sick irony that “Tiny Dancer” is playing in the background.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:48:33pm

re: #238 Dread Pirate Ron

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I’m sending them 100.00 they split to most of the dem senate races.

edit. In honor of the Jewish New Year I made it 180.00.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:48:51pm

A short history of Associate Justice Bader-Ginsberg’s achievements is now in the right-hand column of LGF.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:48:57pm

re: #240 teleskiguy

Some kind of sick irony that “Tiny Dancer” is playing in the background.

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It’s all a fucking reality show to him.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:50:26pm

re: #241 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m sending them 100.00 they split to most of the dem senate races.

I signed up for $50 a month for the rest of the year.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:50:35pm

re: #238 Dread Pirate Ron

Yes I am ZOOMING services right now but I cannot sit back. I put $250 in the pot and am so tempted to borrow on the Master Card and give more. Mitch must be removed as Majority Leader.

AND FUCK SUSAN SARANDON AND JILL STEIN FOR GETTING US INTO THIS MESS AGAIN…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:51:12pm

Possible Trump strategy: Ram SCOTUS nominee through before Election Day so he can have a ever better chance of stealing the Presidency if the vote is close.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:52:37pm

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

Possible Trump strategy: Ram SCOTUS nominee through before Election Day so he can have a ever better chance of stealing the Presidency if the vote is close.

Then we keep it from being close.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:52:53pm

Trump’s bitch.

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teleskiguy  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:52:56pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:52:59pm

Sean Trende of RCP says - and I agree - that Trump’s best move is NOT to nominate anyone before the election, because then he makes it explicit that this election is about the Court.

If he nominates somebody, then that’s it, done. He loses any leverage to get people to the polls because even though people are pointing out that if Mark Kelly wins, he can be sworn in on November 30th, Mitch McConnell has a calendar, too, so he can hold the vote when he can still win.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:53:59pm

re: #248 DodgerFan1988

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Trump’s bitch.

Fuck off Ted you hypocritical ghoul.

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danarchy  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:55:03pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

that would be a brilliant pick for Biden.

Hillary is 72 years old, not to be ageist or anything, but this is a lifetime appointment, nobody over 50.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:56:23pm

re: #252 danarchy

Hillary is 72 years old, not to be ageist or anything, but this is a lifetime appointment, nobody over 50.

Yeah and honestly I think I know who Biden has in mind and I think she’d be a great pick.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:56:58pm

re: #253 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah and honestly I think I know who Biden has in mind and I think she’d be a great pick.

Who?

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LadyBehir  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:58:30pm

A friend posted this on Facebook:

Let’s make this ‘MF’ Miserable ! Donate to Amy to replace Moscow Mitch !!! #RuthsRevenge

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:58:59pm

re: #252 danarchy

Hillary is 72 years old, not to be ageist or anything, but this is a lifetime appointment, nobody over 50.

THIS.

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retired cynic  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:59:18pm

h/t Juanita Jean’s

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Jay C  Sep 18, 2020 • 6:59:32pm

re: #253 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah and honestly I think I know who Biden has in mind and I think she’d be a great pick.

Well, the problem is that -whoever you’re speculating about - “Biden’s pick” is still merest speculation. As of now, it’s Trump’s pick who will be being sent to the Senate.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:00:47pm

re: #254 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

Who?

Judge Kentaji Brown Jackson. Fits perfectly imo.
dcd.uscourts.gov

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:00:57pm

Take no prisoners, folks. Shit just got REAL.

Trooper - Raise A Little Hell

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:01:07pm

Dena says there are three senators besides Mitt that have said no nomination before Election/Inauguration Day.

Collins could flake out, depending on what Trump bribes her with. OTOH, she could be thinking that opposing a vote may be the only thing that saves her from getting the boot.

I also saw an unverified report that Grassley wants to wait, too. And if Kelly wins and takes office right away, that further complicates things.

The next few days are going to be very interesting.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:01:23pm

re: #258 Jay C

Well, the problem is that -whoever you’re speculating about - “Biden’s pick” is still merest speculation. As of now, it’s Trump’s pick who will be being sent to the Senate.

I know. I’m just saying. I know who he has in mind for any vacancy.

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thecommodore  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:01:51pm

Apologies if someone has already posted this, but here is the antidote to #MoscowMitch:

Amy McGrath

Last I checked, she’s facing a double digit deficit.

I don’t care.

Let’s send this son of a bitch packing!

Donate a dollar, a quarter, a penny. Whatever it takes!

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Citizen K  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:02:07pm

re: #261 makeitstop

Dena says there are three senators besides Mitt that have said no nomination before Election/Inauguration Day.

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Collins could flake out, depending on what Trump bribes her with. OTOH, she could be thinking that opposing a vote may be the only thing that saves her from getting the boot.

I also saw an unverified report that Grassley wants to wait, too. And if Kelly wins and takes office right away, that further complicates things.

The next few days are going to be very interesting.

I’ll believe it when I see pen put to paper. They’ve done this game before pulling the football out time and time again.

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thecommodore  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:04:26pm

….

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:04:34pm

re: #261 makeitstop

Dena says there are three senators besides Mitt that have said no nomination before Election/Inauguration Day.

Oops, make that two besides Mitt. Management regrets the error.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:05:45pm

re: #229 I Would Prefer Not To

The races I’d be giving to:

Jaime Harrison in SC
Sara Gideon in ME
Doug Jones in AL
MJ Hegar in TX

After that, NC, AK, MT, KS, GA, IA. Some are longer shots than others but any could be tipping points.

I think CO and AZ are pretty much done deals for the Dems and that Hickenlooper and Kelly don’t need more $ now. (And I don’t think MI or MN are in any peril.) And I think KY is a lost cause and money going to McGrath is wasted. But that’s just my analysis.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:05:55pm

re: #264 Citizen K

I’ll believe it when I see pen put to paper. They’ve done this game before pulling the football out time and time again.

You’re not wrong. But at this moment the chips are still in the air.

It’s 2020, anything can happen

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:06:45pm

re: #261 makeitstop

Dena says there are three senators besides Mitt that have said no nomination before Election/Inauguration Day.

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Collins could flake out, depending on what Trump bribes her with. OTOH, she could be thinking that opposing a vote may be the only thing that saves her from getting the boot.

I also saw an unverified report that Grassley wants to wait, too. And if Kelly wins and takes office right away, that further complicates things.

The next few days are going to be very interesting.

Romney’s office refuted the claim he wouldn’t vote for a nominee before January. Not saying he WOULD vote, though.

The thing is, if there’s a nominee, EVERYONE KNOWS they’ll be confirmed, either before or after the election. I don’t see how this is a plus for the Right. In some ways, the status where RBG is still alive but being hospitalized for a day or so every couple weeks is better, because her replacement is still in doubt.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:07:46pm

NINE days ago.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:10:34pm

re: #270 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, let’s make it a law of the land, not a Supreme Court ruling of the land.

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b_sharp  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:11:15pm

re: #260 Eclectic Cyborg

Take no prisoners, folks. Shit just got REAL.

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Canadians helping motivate our American cousins.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:12:01pm

re: #272 b_sharp

Canadians helping motivate our American cousins.

This country is my home too. Damn right I am going to fight for it.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:12:16pm

Serious question:

What happens if Schumer and the dems just walk out? Deny Mitch a quorum for ANY Senate business until January?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:13:04pm

Llre: #271 Belafon

Yeah, let’s make it a law of the land, not a Supreme Court ruling of the land.

Yeah federal legalization of abortion in all 50 states.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:13:33pm

Socialist asshole has a revelation

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retired cynic  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:13:55pm

re: #274 i(m)p(each)sos

Serious question:

What happens if Schumer and the dems just walk out? Deny Mitch a quorum for ANY Senate business until January?

What’s a quorum?

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:14:32pm

re: #274 i(m)p(each)sos

Serious question:

What happens if Schumer and the dems just walk out? Deny Mitch a quorum for ANY Senate business until January?

A quorum only requires a majority.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:15:09pm

re: #277 retired cynic

From the free dictionary:
thefreedictionary.com

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:16:22pm

re: #275 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ll

Yeah federal legalization of abortion in all 50 states.

Legally it’s a small step from ruling that the right to life of a fetus is more important that the mother’s health etc. to ruling that the right to life of a fetus trumps any state interest in legalizing abortion.

In other words, we’re looking at a Dred Scott situation, where a court that overturns Roe v. Wade is as likely to impose a nationwide abortion ban as it is to leave it up to the states.

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sagehen  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:17:06pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Clinton: Senate Dems must do every single possible thing to stop McConnell from erecting a massive “monument” to hypocrisy and perpetuating a “travesty” upon the court.

And what exactly is “every single possible thing” Senate Dems can do? Can they do ANYTHING?

There was a time when R Senators could be constrained by shame; that time has long since passed.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:18:00pm

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

Socialist asshole has a revelation

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Oh now you realize how important this is Ryan. Go to hell, you were prepared to let Trump get re-elected. Fuck off Tankie.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:19:14pm

Mark Kelly just got my $35.

It at least feels like I’m doing something..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:19:17pm

re: #281 sagehen

And what exactly is “every single possible thing” Senate Dems can do? Can they do ANYTHING?

There was a time when R Senators could be constrained by shame; that time has long since passed.

They ultimately do not have the numbers to put up much resistance. Our only hope is that a few Republican senators grow a spine and refuse to rubber stamp whatever crazy asshole Trump nominates.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:19:48pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:20:28pm

re: #284 Eclectic Cyborg

They ultimately do not have the numbers to put up much resistance. Our only hope is that a few Republican senators grow a spine and refuse to rubber stamp whatever crazy asshole Trump nominates.

But in the end, we know they won’t.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:20:47pm

Co-sign.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:21:04pm

re: #285 makeitstop

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We noticed. And you worked for him AJ. Hope you’re proud.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:21:56pm

re: #287 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree completely.

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retired cynic  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:22:24pm

re: #278 Belafon

A quorum only requires a majority.

Yeah, I meant for the Senate. So the Dems walk out. McConnell can just steamroller ahead, can’t he?

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:22:56pm

Sand in the gears may be the only recourse. Thread.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:23:29pm

re: #287 Eclectic Cyborg

Co-sign.

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Are they hiring?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:23:31pm

re: #290 retired cynic

Yeah, I meant for the Senate. So the Dems walk out. McConnell can just steamroller ahead, can’t he?

I thought a quorum required a supermajority, in order to ensure that the majority party couldn’t just ram stuff through in the absence of the minority. I may be misremembering, though.

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thecommodore  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:24:03pm

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

Socialist asshole has a revelation

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FUCK that FUCKING GUY!!!

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:25:19pm

re: #290 retired cynic

Yeah, I meant for the Senate. So the Dems walk out. McConnell can just steamroller ahead, can’t he?

All he needs is 51.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:25:32pm

re: #294 thecommodore

FUCK that FUCKING GUY!!!

Fuck the far left. Seriously. They’re a big part of why we’re in this mess right now.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:25:39pm

United States Senate
quorum - The number of senators that must be present for the Senate to do business. The Constitution requires a majority of senators (51) for a quorum. Often, fewer senators are actually present on the floor, but the Senate presumes that a quorum is present unless the contrary is shown by a roll call vote or quorum call.

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Citizen K  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:25:42pm

re: #293 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I thought a quorum required a supermajority, in order to ensure that the majority party couldn’t just ram stuff through in the absence of the minority. I may be misremembering, though.

From the official Senate website:

quorum - The number of senators that must be present for the Senate to do business. The Constitution requires a majority of senators (51) for a quorum. Often, fewer senators are actually present on the floor, but the Senate presumes that a quorum is present unless the contrary is shown by a roll call vote or quorum call.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:26:08pm

re: #297 Kilroy was here

re: #298 Citizen K

I sit corrected. FUCK.

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TedStriker  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:26:53pm

re: #293 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I thought a quorum required a supermajority, in order to ensure that the majority party couldn’t just ram stuff through in the absence of the minority. I may be misremembering, though.

Nope.

Article I, section 5 of the Constitution requires that a quorum (51 senators) be present for the Senate to conduct business. Often, fewer than 51 senators are present on the floor, but the Senate presumes a quorum unless a roll call vote or quorum call suggests otherwise.

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plansbandc  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:27:38pm
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Citizen K  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:28:23pm

re: #299 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I sit corrected. FUCK.

Yep. Unless they get some defectors, MItch can still call quorum, and very possibly could even if there were defectors who refused to be present. There would have to be just enough that someone could stay behind and force the quorum vote with only 49 or less present rather than let them assume quorum.

And at that point, you’re better off getting those defectors on paper for a No vote anyhow.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:29:49pm

re: #301 plansbandc

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:30:22pm

re: #237 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah I like her but there are plenty of qualified women who can do the job. I like HRC but someone else here.

Maura Healey, Massachusetts AG—

en.wikipedia.org

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secretslothbear  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:30:41pm

Sam Wang at Princeton Election Consortium keeps an updated list of the Senate races where you’ll get the most bang for your buck, with a link to a shared donation page.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:31:37pm

re: #304 BeachDem

Maura Healey, Massachusetts AG—

en.wikipedia.org

Biden’s promised an AA woman but Maura wouldn’t be a bad second justice if he gets one.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:31:47pm

Honestly, this is one of those evenings I best hold my tongue. Just angry at the seemingly constant hits of 2020 maddenings. And as it so happens the usual getaways I use for sanity management are on fire ffs. Or it’s literally unhealthy air.

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NoSoapForYou  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:32:10pm

“On February 23, the 11 Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee signed a letter to Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell stating their unprecedented intention to withhold consent on any nominee made by President Obama, and that no hearings would occur until after January 20, 2017, when the next president took office….”

Does anyone know how to get a peek at this letter? I imagine that it was signed by (among others) Chuck Grassley, Lindsey Graham, Cornyn, Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Thom Tillis, and David Perdue. I wonder how many of them have changed their highly principled positions on this.

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:34:11pm

re: #293 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I thought a quorum required a supermajority, in order to ensure that the majority party couldn’t just ram stuff through in the absence of the minority. I may be misremembering, though.

The rules for a quorum will depend on the legislative body, so it’s the senate rules that will govern here.

Huh, it’s actually in the constitution. No joy there.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:34:21pm

re: #307 Rightwingconspirator

I am too stunned by RBG’s death. Even Downton Abbey (last episode of series) has not cheered me up.

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retired cynic  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:34:23pm

re: #308 NoSoapForYou

They say it was because the Senate was in the hands of the opposite party from the President. So it is they win, you lose.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:37:04pm

Okay, not to piss on anyone’s dreams at this point, but the most likely outcome is that Trump nominates and the Senate confirms. Doesn’t matter, for the sake of the seat, whether the confirmation or indeed the nomination happen now or after the election.

That doesn’t mean the Dems don’t fight, but our ability to stop this is severely limited. I’m not sure at this point that we should threaten to expand the Court if we win, because we can always do it anyway, and in the unlikely event that it got McConnell to relent, we’d be stuck keeping our promise.

No, I think we should grieve and move on.

Trumps best argument for reelection with a lot of Republicans will be gone, though. They aren’t given to gratitude, so the fact that he filled the seat won’t matter as much as making sure he would fill the seat did. So, there’s that.

I think the GOP underestimated the FURY that the Kavanaugh confirmation triggered. They thought it was a positive for them, and would energize their base, but what it REALLY did was energize ours. Similarly, another naked display of power will pile more fuel on the fire of our fury. I remember Roosevelt’s phrase - “The American People in their righteous might…”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:37:10pm

re: #311 retired cynic

They say it was because the Senate was in the hands of the opposite party from the President. So it is they win, you lose.

Heads we win, tails you lose. Seriously I’m sad because RBG is a great loss but also angry because we warned the Busters and people who sat 2016 out that the election was important but noooooooooooo. I’m sorry but I’m just angry all over again. It does make me more determined than ever but there’s a good chance that we’re going to be handed the most right wing court in years with 1/3 of the justices being appointed by a man who doesn’t know Warren Burger from Burger King.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:37:46pm

I find myself openly wondering if lifetime appointments for SCOTUS was the way to go.

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plansbandc  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:37:48pm

re: #310 PhillyPretzel

Watching Call the Midwife season 8 as a warm up to the newly posted season 9. It’s warmth usually cheers me, even when I’m despondent.

I’m cold and uncheered. Watching the death of our country is heart rending.

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A Three Hour Tour  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:38:15pm

re: #308 NoSoapForYou

“On February 23, the 11 Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee signed a letter to Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell stating their unprecedented intention to withhold consent on any nominee made by President Obama, and that no hearings would occur until after January 20, 2017, when the next president took office….”

Does anyone know how to get a peek at this letter? I imagine that it was signed by (among others) Chuck Grassley, Lindsey Graham, Cornyn, Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Thom Tillis, and David Perdue. I wonder how many of them have changed their highly principled positions on this.

“All of them, Katie.”

As we knew they would.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:38:32pm

re: #312 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, not to piss on anyone’s dreams at this point, but the most likely outcome is that Trump nominates and the Senate confirms. Doesn’t matter, for the sake of the seat, whether the confirmation or indeed the nomination happen now or after the election.

That doesn’t mean the Dems don’t fight, but our ability to stop this is severely limited. I’m not sure at this point that we should threaten to expand the Court if we win, because we can always do it anyway, and in the unlikely event that it got McConnell to relent, we’d be stuck keeping our promise.

No, I think we should grieve and move on.

Trumps best argument for reelection with a lot of Republicans will be gone, though. They aren’t given to gratitude, so the fact that he filled the seat won’t matter as much as making sure he would fill the seat did. So, there’s that.

I think the GOP underestimated the FURY that the Kavanaugh confirmation triggered. They thought it was a positive for them, and would energize their base, but what it REALLY did was energize ours. Similarly, another naked display of power will pile more fuel on the fire of our fury. I remember Roosevelt’s phrase - “The American People in their righteous might…”

We just gotta fight on. It’s just been man one helluva year from the start.

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NoSoapForYou  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:39:42pm

re: #311 retired cynic

That excuse boils down to, “because we can.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:40:02pm

re: #314 Eclectic Cyborg

I find myself openly wondering if lifetime appointments for SCOTUS was the way to go.

Not unreasonable honestly. The Founders I think were definitely wrong on the idea that Senators should be elected by state legislatures. The sooner we get rid of the notion that the Founders were infallible and without error the better. And I say this as someone who has a lot of admiration for what was accomplished 233 years ago and one day ago in Philly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:40:30pm

I posted this to Facebook just now:

Ruth Bader Ginsburg looked frail, but that woman was Atlas. She carried all of our hopes for so long, even after she was diagnosed with metastatic pancreatic cancer. She held us all on her narrow shoulders as long as she could. And now it’s time for us to carry her hopes and dreams on ours. We cannot let the authoritarianism of Trump and the cynicism of McConnell extinguish our hope that America will become what America says it is.

“Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain—
All, all the stretch of these great green states—
And make America again!” - Langston Hughes

I quoted Hughes “Let America Be America Again”, because that’s what this election, this fight is about. We on the Left are struggling to hold America to its promise, to make it into the beacon of freedom it claims to be, but has always fallen short of. The Right not only thinks America is fine as it is, they think America was BETTER when we fell EVEN FARTHER short of our aspiration.

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teleskiguy  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:40:36pm
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thecommodore  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:41:02pm

re: #311 retired cynic

They say it was because the Senate was in the hands of the opposite party from the President. So it is they win, you lose.

And I believe this is the basis for what McConnell called the “Biden Rule” which never existed.

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NoSoapForYou  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:42:52pm

re: #319 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Maybe we should go back to making SC Justices ride the Circuit on a horse. That might get them to retire sooner.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:43:36pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:43:48pm

Is there any rule that says a nominee even has to have a hearing, or is that just traditional process?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:44:22pm

There are mourners at the Supreme Court right now. 10:42 PM EST. I don’t think I’ve ever felt the lost of a SCOTUS justice so much. When I took government in high school, we saw a video about the court and both Scalia and Ginsburg were in it. They were cordial towards each other but what Ginsburg said about the Constitution being a living documented resonated with me then as it still does now.

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teleskiguy  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:44:26pm

He’ll go along with #MoscowMitch and his world class hypocrisy to fill RBG’s seat before the election (and don’t kid yourself, that’s probably going to happen). Good news is it’s political suicide for #CardboardCory. He’s finished in politics in Colorado.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:44:31pm

re: #325 Ace Rothstein

Thankfully (or not), that part is definitely set in stone. We all know how it will end, but at least they have to jump through the procedural hoops.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:44:58pm

Current mood:

The Prodigy - Fuel My Fire

I’ve got a word of thanks
Thanks that I’d like to say
For the rage that I feel
For the rage that I feel today
Gotta stack gotta stack
Stack of chips on my shoulder
In everything I do
Cause I made I made I made
The mistake, the mistake of trusting you

People like you just fuel my fire
People like you just fuel, yeah

My layers are thick
And I got a bad attitude
Yeah that knife in my back
Has fingerprints that belong to you
Gotta grudge gotta grudge gotta grudge
That I’m holding for you
As long as I live
‘Cause you lied you lied you lied
And that’s something that I can’t forgive
You liar

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:47:23pm

People will be paying attention to this fight.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:48:26pm

I’m looking forward to hustling red hats when the subject of court expansion comes up and they tell me that nine seats is mandated in the constitution.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:48:43pm

The Supreme Court seat rule in the constitution is right next to the part about internet regulation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:49:00pm

re: #314 Eclectic Cyborg

I find myself openly wondering if lifetime appointments for SCOTUS was the way to go.

The problem is then that RBG would have been off the Court sooner.

No, I think life terms make sense, because you don’t want the court to swing with the whims of the day.

The problem is, quite simply, the Senate and the Electoral College. They’re remnants of our past as semi-independent former colonies, and of slavery.

So, we expand the Court, and we grant PR and DC statehood. Also, maybe expand the House. None of these requires more than the House, Senate, and WH. I hope we learned out lesson in 2010? Consolidate power FIRST. The other side will do just that when they have the chance, and the only way to restore American democracy is for them to lose the whip hand.

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:51:00pm

re: #308 NoSoapForYou

“On February 23, the 11 Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee signed a letter to Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell stating their unprecedented intention to withhold consent on any nominee made by President Obama, and that no hearings would occur until after January 20, 2017, when the next president took office….”

Does anyone know how to get a peek at this letter? I imagine that it was signed by (among others) Chuck Grassley, Lindsey Graham, Cornyn, Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Thom Tillis, and David Perdue. I wonder how many of them have changed their highly principled positions on this.

Feb 23, 2016—In a letter today, signed by all 11 Republicans on the 20-member committee, the members tell their Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, they will “not hold hearings on any Supreme Court nominee until after our next president is sworn in on January 20, 2017.”

The ugly 11:

Chuck Grassley, Iowa, Chairman
Orrin Hatch, Utah
Jeff Sessions, Alabama
Lindsey Graham, South Carolina
John Cornyn, Texas
Mike Lee, Utah
Ted Cruz, Texas
Jeff Flake, Arizona
David Vitter, Louisiana
David Perdue, Georgia
Thom Tillis, North Carolina

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Kilroy was here  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:51:46pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:52:28pm

Has the far left started bitching that Ginsburg should have retired while Obama was president yet?

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:52:49pm

re: #335 Kilroy was here

I approve this message.

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plansbandc  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:55:08pm

re: #336 Ace Rothstein

Yep. I already blocked one for saying that. They said her legacy was ruined because she didn’t retire when Obama was President.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:55:19pm

re: #336 Ace Rothstein

Have the far left started bitching that Ginsburg should have retired while Obama was president yet?

I’,m sure. God I hate them. Their shit the past four-twelve years? Honestly it’s solidified me as a center left liberal. I don’t want fucking Bernie and I don’t want their fucking revolution. I want a functioning liberal democracy not cosplay socialism for a bunch of brats who are just rebelling against their Republican parents because they think they’re edgy because they read Marx and Engels once.

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mmmirele  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:55:36pm

re: #280 EPR-radar

Legally it’s a small step from ruling that the right to life of a fetus is more important that the mother’s health etc. to ruling that the right to life of a fetus trumps any state interest in legalizing abortion.

In other words, we’re looking at a Dred Scott situation, where a court that overturns Roe v. Wade is as likely to impose a nationwide abortion ban as it is to leave it up to the states.

Then we have to go back to where it should have gone in the first place, which is that a ban on abortion is religiously based and not allowed under the First Amendment.

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sagehen  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:56:04pm

re: #308 NoSoapForYou

Does anyone know how to get a peek at this letter? I imagine that it was signed by (among others) Chuck Grassley, Lindsey Graham, Cornyn, Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Thom Tillis, and David Perdue. I wonder how many of them have changed their highly principled positions on this.

All of them, Katie.

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Citizen K  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:56:09pm

re: #336 Ace Rothstein

Have the far left started bitching that Ginsburg should have retired while Obama was president yet?

Folks I’m familiar with have already gone there along with the shit about how we wouldn’t have gotten this if we hadn’t nominated Clinton and denied Saint Bernie his rightful place. The same goddamn hits as ever, along with the usual BS about Biden.

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retired cynic  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:57:25pm

re: #342 Citizen K

Don’t read them. It’s not good for your health.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:58:15pm

re: #342 Citizen K

Folks I’m familiar with have already gone there along with the shit about how we wouldn’t have gotten this if we hadn’t nominated Clinton and denied Saint Bernie his rightful place. The same goddamn hits as ever, along with the usual BS about Biden.

You know what? Fuck Bernie Sanders. I despise what the man has done to mislead so many well meaning albeit naive people about politics and the political process.

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makeitstop  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:58:38pm

Just a thought - how many more votes will seating another SC justice net Trump? I’m thinking not many - the hard core is already voting for him.

But looking at ActBlue’s fundraising numbers since the news about Justice Ginsburg broke, it sure look like a lot of people on our side have kicked it up a couple of notches.

As with all of Trump’s ‘wins’, this may not be as big a win as it first appears.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:59:10pm

re: #342 Citizen K

The only thing I want to know right now is what are these people going to do.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 18, 2020 • 7:59:32pm

re: #336 Ace Rothstein

Have the far left started bitching that Ginsburg should have retired while Obama was president yet?

I’m not the far left, but honestly I think it would have been a good move. She could have enjoyed a few years of well-deserved retirement, and the fate of our republic wouldn’t hang on an 87 year old woman’s pancreas.

We’re going to learn all the details someday about how Kennedy was persuaded to retire, and it won’t be pretty. But it gave us Justice Beer for probably the rest of my life, so from a political sense, it worked.

As in so many things these days, the usual rules of decorum and tradition (in this case, justices don’t time their retirements for political reasons) once again apply only to Democrats.

I loved RBG, but I don’t think waiting out the Obama administration was one of her better moves.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:00:14pm

Homocons gonna homocon…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:00:24pm

Sorry if I sound angry tonight. I’ll be okay. It’s just goddamn. We knew that 2016 was consequential. We warned them. They didn’t want to listen and here we are and as I said we could well have the most right leaning court in years which is really going to hinder progress because the right wingers on the court are a bunch of partisan hacks who just have this delusional interpretation of the Constituion especially that jackass Thomas and Alito. And then there’s Kavanaugh who is the preppy bastard that you always wanted to punch in the face who only has his job because of his lifetime of service to the Republican PArty.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:00:34pm

re: #345 makeitstop

Just a thought - how many more votes will seating another SC justice net Trump? I’m thinking not many - the hard core is already voting for him.

But looking at ActBlue’s fundraising numbers since the news about Justice Ginsburg broke, it sure look like a lot of people on our side have kicked it up a couple of notches.

As with all of Trump’s ‘wins’, this may not be as big a win as it first appears.

Trump holding that seat hostage is his best bet to get conservatives to vote for him, if he fills it then they really don’t need him anymore.

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retired cynic  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:01:40pm

re: #349 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Watch out, or Thomas will retire, too, if he thinks Trump is going to lose.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:01:43pm

re: #345 makeitstop

Just a thought - how many more votes will seating another SC justice net Trump? I’m thinking not many - the hard core is already voting for him.

But looking at ActBlue’s fundraising numbers since the news about Justice Ginsburg broke, it sure look like a lot of people on our side have kicked it up a couple of notches.

As with all of Trump’s ‘wins’, this may not be as big a win as it first appears.

This election will determine votes on redistricting in the states. Anything that drives up Democratic votes will help with that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:01:49pm

re: #338 plansbandc

Yep. I already blocked one for saying that. They said her legacy was ruined because she didn’t retire when Obama was President.

Like Scalia?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:03:02pm

re: #349 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Sorry if I sound angry tonight. I’ll be okay. It’s just goddamn. We knew that 2016 was consequential. We warned them. They didn’t want to listen and here we are and as I said we could well have the most right leaning court in years which is really going to hinder progress because the right wingers on the court are a bunch of partisan hacks who just have this delusional interpretation of the Constituion especially that jackass Thomas and Alito. And then there’s Kavanaugh who is the preppy bastard that you always wanted to punch in the face who only has his job because of his lifetime of service to the Republican PArty.

Current mood:

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:04:05pm
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Belafon  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:05:02pm

re: #348 Ace-o-aces

Homocons gonna homocon…

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I hope they aren’t trying to “correct” those kids like other conservative families.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:05:10pm

re: #354 Blind Frog Belly White

Current mood:

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Ha. Seriously though guys. I would have gone nuts the past four years if not for here. I’m going to be okay and I’m as determined as ever to beat Trump this fall but damn if I don’t feel the same sadness I did four years ago. Plus we really did probably lose arguably the best justice of the court. No disrespect to Sotomayor, Breyer, and Kagan but RBG was amazing.

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retired cynic  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:06:21pm

re: #357 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I think Sotomayor is #2 on that list.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:07:21pm

re: #358 retired cynic

I think Sotomayor is #2 on that list.

I agree. I really like her even if she is a Yankee fan.

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Citizen K  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:07:23pm

re: #343 retired cynic

Don’t read them. It’s not good for your health.

Not like I’m even going out of my way to find them at this point. They basically shove their way into any topic involving Dems to proselytize.

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:07:36pm

Jeez—I’m having deja vu (all over again) to 2004, and getting in heated discussions with idiots who just weren’t “excited” about John Kerry, and I kept on saying SUPREME COURT, SUPREME COURT, SUPREME COURT. And then we got W…and then we got John Roberts …and then we almost got fucking Harriet Miers…and then we go Samuel Alito.

But people just weren’t “excited” about John Kerry.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:09:41pm

PS - Assuming a Biden win and a D Senate in January, I would hope Breyer starts considering retirement.

(And yes, I’m strongly in favor of some sort of age limit for SCOTUS.)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:09:43pm

re: #361 BeachDem

Jeez—I’m having deja vu (all over again) to 2004, and getting in heated discussions with idiots who just weren’t “excited” about John Kerry, and I kept on saying SUPREME COURT, SUPREME COURT, SUPREME COURT. And then we got W…and then we got John Roberts …and then we almost got fucking Harriet Miers…and then we go Samuel Alito.

But people just weren’t “excited” about John Kerry.

That was my first election. I was more further left then but even I knew how important SCOTUS was. And I’ll tell you this much. I trust Kerry, HRC, and Biden with SCOTUS far more than any leftist purer than thou.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:10:41pm

re: #361 BeachDem

Jeez—I’m having deja vu (all over again) to 2004, and getting in heated discussions with idiots who just weren’t “excited” about John Kerry, and I kept on saying SUPREME COURT, SUPREME COURT, SUPREME COURT. And then we got W…and then we got John Roberts …and then we almost got fucking Harriet Miers…and then we go Samuel Alito.

But people just weren’t “excited” about John Kerry.

We on the Left, on average, are really pretty goddam dumb. The Right has been all about the courts since at least the 1980s, so they always vote, and they always vote for the Republican candidate.

And us? We say stupid shit like “MY vote has to be WON!”, as if we’re so goddam special that we can just sit out an election if we’re not excited about the candidate and not have the whole country slide into the shitter.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:11:31pm

re: #362 i(m)p(each)sos

PS - Assuming a Biden win and a D Senate in January, I would hope Breyer starts considering retirement.

(And yes, I’m strongly in favor of some sort of age limit for SCOTUS.)

My assumption was before RBG died that one or both would step down before the 2022 midterm. I don’t know how to feel about age limits 100% but the fact is SCOTUS keeps on growing more politicized and honestly? I blame Reagan for a lot of that shit because he had the bright idea to put Bork on.*
* Which is part of why I genuinely do like Biden since him and Teddy K are why Bork is a footnote.

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:12:42pm

re: #344 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

You know what? Fuck Bernie Sanders. I despise what the man has done to mislead so many well meaning albeit naive people about politics and the political process.

Had Bernie Sanders been a tool for the plutocracy with a mission to keep the plutocracy in power forever, it would be difficult to see how that would have changed his campaign in 2016. 2020 was better, but not by much.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:13:29pm

re: #336 Ace Rothstein

Has the far left started bitching that Ginsburg should have retired while Obama was president yet?

All over Twitter.

Merrick Garland couldn’t be reached for comment.

The same would have happened had she done that.

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:13:53pm

re: #345 makeitstop

Just a thought - how many more votes will seating another SC justice net Trump? I’m thinking not many - the hard core is already voting for him.

But looking at ActBlue’s fundraising numbers since the news about Justice Ginsburg broke, it sure look like a lot of people on our side have kicked it up a couple of notches.

As with all of Trump’s ‘wins’, this may not be as big a win as it first appears.

It only gets him one vote, but that vote is on SCOTUS.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:14:05pm

re: #333 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem is then that RBG would have been off the Court sooner.

No, I think life terms make sense, because you don’t want the court to swing with the whims of the day.

The problem is, quite simply, the Senate and the Electoral College. They’re remnants of our past as semi-independent former colonies, and of slavery.

So, we expand the Court, and we grant PR and DC statehood. Also, maybe expand the House. None of these requires more than the House, Senate, and WH. I hope we learned out lesson in 2010? Consolidate power FIRST. The other side will do just that when they have the chance, and the only way to restore American democracy is for them to lose the whip hand.

Eliminating the EC would require a constitutional amendment, but there’s nothing there about how it is constituted (pun not intended). I think. IANAL. Removing the “senatorial contingent” and basing each state’s numbers on the number of house members they have would go a long way toward removing the imbalance of the EC.

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Citizen K  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:14:06pm

re: #345 makeitstop

Just a thought - how many more votes will seating another SC justice net Trump? I’m thinking not many - the hard core is already voting for him.

But looking at ActBlue’s fundraising numbers since the news about Justice Ginsburg broke, it sure look like a lot of people on our side have kicked it up a couple of notches.

As with all of Trump’s ‘wins’, this may not be as big a win as it first appears.

I mean….it’s not even the election that I’m despondent about. I honestly think the electoral effect will probably push things even more in favor of the Dems.

My problem is that this basically will solidify Republican ownership of the entire judiciary for the next generation and a half, combined with MItch’s single-minded task of filling every single vacancy so there’s virtually no hope of Dems undoing that damage within even two back to back Dem presidencies.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:14:28pm

re: #364 Blind Frog Belly White

We on the Left, on average, are really pretty goddam dumb. The Right has been all about the courts since at least the 1980s, so they always vote, and they always vote for the Republican candidate.

And us? We say stupid shit like “MY vote has to be WON!”, as if we’re so goddam special that we can just sit out an election if we’re not excited about the candidate and not have the whole country slide into the shitter.

Yeah a lot of our damage is self inflicted. I’m proud to be on the left because of what the left has accomplished over the years but there’s a loud segment on the left that puts their ideological dogmatism above progress and they have allowed the likes of W Bush and Trump to take office because of that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:17:27pm

re: #369 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Eliminating the EC would require a constitutional amendment, but there’s nothing there about how it is constituted (pun not intended). I think. IANAL. Removing the “senatorial contingent” and basing each state’s numbers on the number of house members they have would go a long way toward removing the imbalance of the EC.

True, but if we doubled the size of the House, we’d significantly reduce the voting power of the states nobody wants to actually live in less populated states.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:19:25pm

re: #370 Citizen K

I mean….it’s not even the election that I’m despondent about. I honestly think the electoral effect will probably push things even more in favor of the Dems.

My problem is that this basically will solidify Republican ownership of the entire judiciary for the next generation and a half, combined with MItch’s single-minded task of filling every single vacancy so there’s virtually no hope of Dems undoing that damage within even two back to back Dem presidencies.

The House and Senate determine the size of the Federal Bench. All of it. We could pack ALL courts.

Or eliminate seats, on a “Last In, First Out” basis.

Then reinstate the seats later…..

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:20:13pm

re: #369 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Eliminating the EC would require a constitutional amendment, but there’s nothing there about how it is constituted (pun not intended). I think. IANAL. Removing the “senatorial contingent” and basing each state’s numbers on the number of house members they have would go a long way toward removing the imbalance of the EC.

# of Electors = House delegation + senators is explicitly in the constitution IIRC.

Having more House Representatives would help (2x or 3x would not be unreasonable).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:21:11pm

re: #374 EPR-radar

# of Electors = House delegation + senators is explicitly in the constitution IIRC.

Having more House Representatives would help (2x or 3x would not be unreasonable).

It would, in fact, be more in line with historical levels of representation.

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EPR-radar  Sep 18, 2020 • 8:21:48pm

re: #371 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah a lot of our damage is self inflicted. I’m proud to be on the left because of what the left has accomplished over the years but there’s a loud segment on the left that puts their ideological dogmatism above progress and they have allowed the likes of W Bush and Trump to take office because of that.

To be blunt, the GOP deserves to win its political battles because its voters are reliable in general elections.

Unfortunately, their ideology is shit.

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Dragonomics  Sep 18, 2020 • 9:12:36pm

re: #222 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

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11 justices? Fuck that. One hundred eleven. No more conservative possibility.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Sep 19, 2020 • 8:03:40am

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

Convince me this doesn’t all but guarantee Roe goes down.

Roe, Obergefell, SSM, Trans rights, anything that the GOP and the religious right wants dismantled can and probably will be overturned by a Roberts Court. He will have nothing holding him back now.


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