Mike Dawes, Solo Acoustic Guitar: “Slow Dancing in a Burning Room”

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Mike Dawes performs his fingerstyle guitar cover of Slow Dancing in a Burning Room by John Mayer from his new live album ‘Shows & Distancing: Live in the USA’ - Out October 30th 2020. Pre-orders available at a reduced price via the link above.

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05. Slow Dancing in a Burning Room - Live in New York City

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This year has been devastating to so many people around the world. Everybody has been affected by this pandemic, wherever you live and whatever you do. For the live music fans, we miss that energy, that connection. Shows and Distancing, my third album and first live album, has arrived at a time where I hope at least some sense of relief and nostalgia can be provided to you.

Recorded throughout last year on the road in the USA, this record takes you through support sets with Justin Hayward (Moody Blues), headline shows, a live duet from Los Angeles and even excerpts from my first ever headline concert from over the pond. New York, Florida and California, three of my favourite places. I hope to return soon!

In addition to the record, I am excited to announce a one off live streaming event from my home in the U.K. on November 1st. The album and concert ticket can be purchased as a bundle from this link: tinyurl.com

I’m incredibly proud of this record and the quality of the audio captured. Josh Clark’s mixes are SUPERB. I’ll be releasing live videos every week for the foreseeable future so don’t forget to hit ‘SUBSCRIBE’ to be notified x

Video captured by David Minasian & Trinity Houston
Edited by Mike Dawes
Colouring by Josh Partridge

Audio captured by Steve Chant & Alberto Parodi
Mixed and mastered by Get Real Audio

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258 comments

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2020 • 8:45:33pm
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Belafon  Sep 22, 2020 • 8:45:58pm

Shouldn’t the alphabet song be sung in A minor?

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 22, 2020 • 8:52:21pm

re: #2 Belafon

Shouldn’t the alphabet song be sung in A minor?

You need to Swing the Alphabet the Stooges Way!

The Three Stooges - Swingin’ The Alphabet (1938).avi

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:03:40pm
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:06:37pm

re: #4 Dread Pirate Ron

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I will never forgive John McEntee’s Mother for trying to fire me from my job because she hated Jews. She’s evil incarnate.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:07:03pm

All three storms have dissipated.

The Atlantic basin might be taking a welcome break. No tropical storm formation is expected for the next five days.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:08:29pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:14:58pm

Charles gotta say that was the perfect music to unwind from the day. Even if we are living the title these days. There is something very special about acoustic instrumental guitar.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:16:16pm

I’ve been trying edibles lately but even two 10 mg doses seem weak compared to smoking the equivalent dose in flower. I got some 25 mg tablets and 4 at a time seem to work for me, I’ll have to upgrade to 100 mg tablets. I also found out there is a cannabis store 2 miles from me now. I’ll have to compare them to the delivery service. California, what a country!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:17:59pm

From downstairs:

re: #91 A Three Hour Tour

Linda Blair, on the other hand, might be ecstatic.

Well, at least Biden will have the all-important “Victims of Pazuzu” vote. 😁

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:18:13pm

re: #9 Dread Pirate Ron

Small steps lest you be uncomfortable a while. It’s very different, at least for me, a high tolerance individual.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:23:59pm

Well crap. A thousand a day is ten thousand contagious and fighting it to one degree or another.

Flattening, and not in a nice way
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:24:44pm

OK, off to work. Back later.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:26:22pm

re: #11 Rightwingconspirator

Small steps lest you be uncomfortable a while. It’s very different, at least for me, a high tolerance individual.

That’s how I arrived at 100mg, each time I added a tablet. Prices seem to be around $90 for 10 100mg tablets.

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William Lewis  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:28:08pm

re: #9 Dread Pirate Ron

I’ve been trying edibles lately but even two 10 mg doses seem weak compared to smoking the equivalent dose in flower. I got some 25 mg tablets and 4 at a time seem to work for me, I’ll have to upgrade to 100 mg tablets. I also found out there is a cannabis store 2 miles from me now. I’ll have to compare them to the delivery service. California, what a country!

One small cookie knocked me on my ass the last time I tried it. I am such a lightweight ;D

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:32:52pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 9:47:12pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 10:02:33pm
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DodgerFan1988  Sep 22, 2020 • 10:08:27pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2020 • 10:15:31pm

I once ate a brownie that had 1000 mg. Hoo boy. I was baked off my ass all fucking day long.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 22, 2020 • 10:40:56pm

re: #19 DodgerFan1988

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Fox is programming white boys and men to kill for Trump.

Just like Fox programmed Scott Roeder and Caesar Sayoc to kill for the Republican Party.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 22, 2020 • 10:53:32pm

Waiting for the axe to fall in Louisville. Downtown looks like Hitler’s Atlantic Wall. There was a group of protestors out though.

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Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2020 • 11:12:41pm

re: #19 DodgerFan1988

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*sighs* *clears throat*

IT’S NOT HIS FUCKING COMMUNITY, YOU BLEACH BLONDE MORON!

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 11:32:47pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2020 • 11:37:02pm

re: #24 Dread Pirate Ron

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They won’t delete the tweets, they’ll double down by insisting that the story is real, the documents are real, and their being pulled is only further evidence of a “coverup.”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 11:39:27pm

That’s a double wow.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 11:42:23pm

So much news is missed due to the Trump dog and pony show.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 11:47:30pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 11:50:22pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 22, 2020 • 11:57:27pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:03:04am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:05:36am

re: #31 Ace-o-aces

It’s probably due to the loss of Russian financing.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:07:48am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:08:59am

Relentless

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teleskiguy  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:13:55am

Woke Joe Walsh will never not be weird.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:18:56am

Another incredible maritime photo from the Library of Congress (154 MB tiff file at link)
Crewman aboard the cruiser USS Chicago, circa 1900:

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:22:26am

re: #30 Dread Pirate Ron

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I remember saying, sometime in the spring, that these pricks were going to use that 1-2m mark to claim “victory.” That no matter how high the death toll ends up being, if they manage to undershoot it, they’ll insist that their efforts “worked” and they deserve credit for only 200,000 400,000 1 million deaths.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:23:17am

re: #35 teleskiguy

Woke Joe Walsh will never not be weird.

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He’s not even woke. He’s the same right wing nut he’s always been. That’s how far gone the GOP is now, it’s too fucked up for Joe Walsh.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:23:30am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Another incredible maritime photo from the Library of Congress (154 MB tiff file at link)
Crewman aboard the cruiser USS Chicago, circa 1900:

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That’s a big-ass file. I always like to move that hyphen over…

That’s a big ass-file

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:26:33am

re: #23 Targetpractice

*sighs* *clears throat*

IT’S NOT HIS FUCKING COMMUNITY, YOU BLEACH BLONDE MORON!

His “white” community…the dog whistle is clear: Us vs Them, Aryans vs Lesser Races, etc…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:29:18am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Another incredible maritime photo from the Library of Congress:
Crewman aboard the cruiser USS Chicago, circa 1900:

There was a time when young men joined the Navy just for the snappy dress…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:32:36am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:41:48am

Somebody agrees with me that Glenn Greenwald is an (R).

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:44:33am

…very long ass-thread.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:53:59am

re: #45 Dread Pirate Ron

“The Corona virus is the common cold!”

FFS

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:02:16am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:14:16am

I banged my knee last week. I walked into a steel patio chair in the dark. I’m learning how big a bruise can be. It goes from my hip to the tip of my toes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:18:28am

re: #48 Dread Pirate Ron

I banged my knee last week. I walked into a steel patio chair in the dark. I’m learning how big a bruise can be. It goes from my hip to the tip of my toes.

I had a similar thing banging a hip socket on the edge of my bed…months ago and I can still feel it when I press on it.

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ericblair  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:49:59am

When you have to be secretly sworn in after an election where you “won” 80% of the votes.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:57:32am

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit opium.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:11:13am

re: #43 Dread Pirate Ron

I’ll be the old curmudgeon and point out that ALON is a new material working on a very old discovery. Namely, that Aluminum oxides can be transparent to visible light.

Sapphires are aluminum oxide, and clear natural ones were prized, until it was discovered how to make sapphires inexpensively.

I’m pretty sure that the Star Trek story inclusion of “transparent aluminum” was intending to present the metal as transparent, not aluminum oxide.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:14:07am

The reason metals are opaque to light is because they are… metals. Which means that when a photon encounters a metal the photon will either reflect, or be caught up in moving electrons in the metal. Which is why the photon cannot get through.

It is possible to take a gold foil and make it so thin so that some photons can pass through it. But this only happens once the foil is really, really thin.

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ericblair  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:19:27am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:22:17am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:26:49am

re: #50 ericblair

When you have to be secretly sworn in after an election where you “won” 80% of the votes.

a landslide of bullshit

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:27:35am

re: #54 ericblair

Amazing (to me) fact: If Trump wins confirmation for new nominee, Republican presidents will have chosen 15/19 Justices since Earl Warren retired in 1968. The four Democratic appointees: Ginsburg, Breyer, Kagan, Sotomayor. (Rehnquist not counted twice).

They see that as due payback for the Warren Court…

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Jack Burton  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:10:03am

re: #52 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’m pretty sure that the Star Trek story inclusion of “transparent aluminum” was intending to present the metal as transparent, not aluminum oxide.

On screen in Star Trek IV, Transparent Aluminum is shown to be Al3Ag2H6

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:19:22am

re: #58 Jack Burton

On screen in Star Trek IV, Transparent Aluminum is shown to be Al3Ag2H6

Pretty sure the props people just got some graphic artists to throw anything onto a few screens.

Hydrides don’t act like metals (at least at our atmospheric pressure and temps.) Aluminum hydride is a thing, silver hydride is mostly a research item, I think. They are probably all opaque, I’d bet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:24:00am

Can you make tinfoil hats out of transparent aluminum and will they block 5G radiation?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:50:33am

re: #52 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’ll be the old curmudgeon and point out that ALON is a new material working on a very old discovery. Namely, that Aluminum oxides can be transparent to visible light.

Sapphires are aluminum oxide, and clear natural ones were prized, until it was discovered how to make sapphires inexpensively.

I’m pretty sure that the Star Trek story inclusion of “transparent aluminum” was intending to present the metal as transparent, not aluminum oxide.

Most of the floors in my house are transparent aluminum oxide—it’s the surprisingly durable final coating on laminate flooring. They only block mind-control signals coming through from the direction of the Earth’s core however, and only if properly grounded (earthed).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:58:23am

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Most of the floors in my house are transparent aluminum oxide—it’s the surprisingly durable final coating on laminate flooring. They only block mind-control signals coming through from the direction of the Earth’s core however, and only if properly grounded (earthed).

It is known that Bill Gates generates 5G signals using the Earth’s molten core as a magneto…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2020 • 4:03:21am

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is known that Bill Gates generates 5G signals using the Earth’s molten core as a magneto…

That would explain why my toilet keeps chirping: “Hey! It looks like you’re taking a crap!”

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 23, 2020 • 4:11:22am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

That would explain why my toilet keeps chirping: “Hey! It looks like you’re taking a crap!”

Good to see you finally got that blue tooth crapper.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 23, 2020 • 4:18:11am

Pence’s backup aircraft was a C-17. Plenty of room for social distancing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 4:23:25am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

That would explain why my toilet keeps chirping: “Hey! It looks like you’re taking a crap!”

Tony The Toilet Buddy - Better Call Saul

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ericblair  Sep 23, 2020 • 4:35:35am

Seems the gooper traitors can’t even smear people properly any more. Sad!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 4:45:33am

re: #67 ericblair

SPOILER ALERT: Sen. Ron Johnson’s much-hyped report on Joe Biden and Burisma is an 87-page rehash of previously known allegations (with minimal, if any, evidence), news articles and impeachment testimony.

But it has the MBF’s blessing and will be distributed accordingly…

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 23, 2020 • 5:21:04am

re: #23 Targetpractice

*sighs* *clears throat*

IT’S NOT HIS FUCKING COMMUNITY, YOU BLEACH BLONDE MORON!

If it’s a “white community” it’s his community …according to Fox News… any protest anywhere in the US is an attack on all of White America.

We are officially a racist fascist country now led by a dominant white supremacist zeitgeist. The Florida anti-protest legislation by Gov. DeSantos serves as the template nationwide going forward granting free license to kill other US citizens by vehicular murder and combined with 2nd Amendment rulings, the ability to target any protestor by right wing death squads.

Expect a full pardon for Rittenhouse from Trump 2 days before the election.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 5:23:34am

re: #69 Florida Panhandler

If it’s a “white community” it’s his community …according to Fox News… any protest anywhere in the US is an attack on all of White America.

that is what the dogwhistle is whistling: Us vs Them, “Good Genes” versus inferior races, etc…

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 23, 2020 • 5:29:21am

“Freedom seeds”

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2020 • 5:42:49am

Welp, the full-court press against Hunter Biden has begun. Think of a RWNJ media hack and you can bet that he or she will appear somewhere within the first 200 tweets under trending. Clearly coordinated.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 23, 2020 • 5:43:12am

re: #67 ericblair

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Seems the gooper traitors can’t even smear people properly any more. Sad!

Though the content doesn’t matter since the goal is simply to have a report that can be pointed at during the Gish Gallop of smearing Biden.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2020 • 5:45:48am

re: #71 Sherlock Hound

“Freedom seeds”

I watch the shotgun availability at the town’s larger gun stores. In this town, no 12 ga autoloading guns are available. If there’s a party, it’s come-as-you-are.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2020 • 5:49:51am

re: #67 ericblair

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:00:59am

re: #75 lawhawk

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It’s really true—everything is there including allegations that he paid off Russian women for ______ (implied). It’s so patently obvious and won’t move the needle.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:04:50am

re: #76 Barefoot Grin

It’s really true—everything is there including allegations that he paid off Russian women for ______ (implied). It’s so patently obvious and won’t move the needle.

Sorry, this isn’t entirely true. Many of the tweets do explicitly accuse Biden of enabling sex trafficking. Lots of them from the St. Petersburg morning shift, I think.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:10:51am

re: #71 Sherlock Hound

“Freedom seeds”

First it was the threat of Obama taking guns away, now it is fear of gangs of Antifa/BLM/Anarchists taking over our undefended suburbs…

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:11:35am

re: #69 Florida Panhandler

If it’s a “white community” it’s his community …according to Fox News… any protest anywhere in the US is an attack on all of White America.

We are officially a racist fascist country now led by a dominant white supremacist zeitgeist. The Florida anti-protest legislation by Gov. DeSantos serves as the template nationwide going forward granting free license to kill other US citizens by vehicular murder and combined with 2nd Amendment rulings, the ability to target any protestor by right wing death squads.

Expect a full pardon for Rittenhouse from Trump 2 days before the election.

Can’t. State charges.

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ericblair  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:13:29am

Another Thiessen classic. Yup, I sure remember the Republicans wringing their hands about a one-party state in 2016 and inviting the Democrats to take over at least one house of Congress, sure I do, yup.

Also, “looks like the Democrats are going to run the table” is the subtext, which is nice to know.

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jeffreyw  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:14:48am

Good morning!

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:18:39am

re: #38 Ace-o-aces

He’s not even woke. He’s the same right wing nut he’s always been. That’s how far gone the GOP is now, it’s too fucked up for Joe Walsh.

Walsh has at least apologized for his role in helping the GOP.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:23:44am

re: #81 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

How’s it hangin’?

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:25:43am

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mmmirele  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:37:07am

It appears, as part of Brexit, truckers are going to need an access permit to enter the county of Kent in England. This is, of course, part of the sheer clusterf*** that is going to be Britain crashing out of Brexit at the end of the year.

Police will patrol the Kent border to turn away lorries without an “access permit” in a bid to ease Brexit border chaos, it has been revealed.

Michael Gove said officers will use automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) cameras and “other means” to block drivers - in what will be seen as an “internal border” in the UK.

The move would try to ensure “constituents are not inconvenienced”, he told MPs - after warning of 7,000-long lorry queues and two-day delays to cross the Channel.

Under questioning, Mr Gove twice refused to reveal how many of his promised 50,000 ‘customs agents’ - to help businesses prepare for a mountain of new red tape - have been recruited.

And he declined to say whether a new IT system will be “operational in January”, with just 100 days until the end of the transition period.

independent.co.uk

More from the Guardian’s Brexit correspondent:

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Teukka  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:40:42am

Tehee…

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:50:02am
Apparently Team Trump has figured out the one small flaw in their plan to paint Joe Biden as too senile and bumbling to function: The real Biden can’t help but overperform the expectations that have been set up for him. Biden nailed it at the Democratic National Convention. He’s given a string of speeches on important issues. When he and Trump did televised town halls within days of each other, he was so much better than Trump that Republicans were reduced to suggesting he cheated.
Whoops! Now Team Trump is looking for a do-over on the image of Biden they offer to the public. Now, all of a sudden, with the first debate approaching, Biden is supposed to be some kind of champion debater.

“Joe Biden has been a Washington politician for 47 years, he spent decades in the Senate where all they do is debate, he was vice president twice, and debated on the national stage in each of those races, and did very well,” Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh told Fox & Friends.

It is true that Biden gave Paul Ryan, then the Republican Party’s boy wonder, a beating for the ages in 2012. But for the most part? Biden is not a renowned debater.

“In the Democrat primaries, he debated a whole crowd of opponents, 11 times, and he won,” Murtaugh said. “He bested two dozen Democrat challengers.” Well … he bested them in the voting. While Biden’s debate performances generally improved over the course of the primaries—almost as if he was benefiting from the practice, go figure—he was not seen seen as a dominant figure in those debates, nor were they considered critical to his ultimate primary win.

Biden is “actually quite good. That’s the Joe Biden we expect to see on debate night,” Murtaugh said. Gee, Tim, that’s not what the Trump campaign has been saying right up until now. Funny!

Trump himself weighed in, also on Fox & Friends, saying: “I have to assume that he is a professional and that he can debate.” Again, that’s a big change in message, and one that follows the ridiculous accusation that Biden took performance-enhancing drugs during the Democratic primary debates.

dailykos.com

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 6:53:15am

About her endorsement yesterday:

Dude, you do not need to know Cindy McCain personally. She knows you professionally and she has made her judgment. And because this tweet was so predictable, McCain had already said if Trump targeted her with one of his “5 in the morning tweets,” she would “just laugh it off.” The only thing she got wrong was it was a 7 in the morning tweet.

dailykos.com

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:00:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:10:37am

re: #88 Belafon

I hardly know Cindy McCain other than having put her on a Committee at her husband’s request. Joe Biden was John McCain’s lapdog. So many BAD decisions on Endless Wars & the V.A., which I brought from a horror show to HIGH APPROVAL. Never a fan of John. Cindy can have Sleepy Joe!

He cannot rise above it and reply in an objective, Presidential way.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:11:40am

re: #89 lawhawk

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RIP Mr. Sayers

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:13:18am
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steve_davis  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:14:04am

What do we think of the following? It’s something that came to me in an inheritance. It scares me more than it would if it were carved out of basalt with an image of Cthulhu engraved therein. I’m assuming this is maybe art deco, having been purchased in Lima in the 1930’s? The jeweler thought it was quite fetching. I think it looks like something you wear while pulling the still beating hearts out of children. It’s 2.5 inches in diameter, and 18k gold, by the way, so I’m guessing it was expensive as hell even by 1930’s standards.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:16:20am

re: #93 steve_davis

What do we think of the following? It’s something that came to me in an inheritance. It scares me more than it would if it were carved out of basalt with an image of Cthulhu engraved therein. I’m assuming this is maybe art deco, having been purchased in Lima in the 1930’s? The jeweler thought it was quite fetching. I think it looks like something you wear while pulling the still beating hearts out of children. It’s 2.5 inches in diameter, and 18k gold, by the way, so I’m guessing it was expensive as hell even by 1930’s standards.

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Wear it when you go vote.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:17:12am

re: #91 Eventual Carrion

RIP Mr. Sayers

He went to high school in Omaha with my mother-in-law. (Anymouse Nebraska relevance alert!)

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:17:22am

re: #93 steve_davis

That’s quite an impressive piece.

It belongs in a museum! /Indiana Jones

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:17:56am

Tvre: #87 Belafon

dailykos.com

On twitter You accused me of “taking drugs” to enhance my performance
Now you’re saying I’m a professional
What’s wrong with you?

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:19:20am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I hardly know Cindy McCain other than having put her on a Committee at her husband’s request. Joe Biden was John McCain’s lapdog. So many BAD decisions on Endless Wars & the V.A., which I brought from a horror show to HIGH APPROVAL. Never a fan of John. Cindy can have Sleepy Joe!

He cannot rise above it and reply in an objective, Presidential way.

Or more wisely stfu and say nothing

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Jay C  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:24:00am

re: #85 mmmirele

Under questioning, Mr Gove twice refused to reveal how many of his promised 50,000 ‘customs agents’ - to help businesses prepare for a mountain of new red tape - have been recruited.

So that’s one of their plans to help ease unemployment post-Brexit?

SRSLY: an “internal border” in KENT??
ALSO: Talk about “poor party planning”! How did the UK deal with out-of-country trucking before the EU? Did they just shrug off endless delays? (well, probably yes….)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:25:40am

re: #98 dangerman

Or more wisely stfu and say nothing

Or simply something like “I am aware of his/her comments and do not find them worthy of a reply”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:27:02am

re: #99 Jay C

So that’s one of their plans to help ease unemployment post-Brexit?

SRSLY: an “internal border” in KENT??
ALSO: Talk about “poor party planning”! How did the UK deal with out-of-country trucking before the EU? Did they just shrug off endless delays? (well, probably yes….)

Kentfuckery

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:29:01am
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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:30:10am

re: #102 🌹UOJB!

Because they won’t answer questions asked by nuns.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:31:33am

re: #103 Belafon

Because they won’t answer questions asked by nuns.

But they will tell her to shut up and get with the Republican Program and she will gladly get back in line to march with the Republican Party.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:31:45am

re: #103 Belafon

Because they won’t answer questions asked by nuns.

I will start to take the Roman Catholic Church seriously the day that the College of Cardinals and Cardinelles elects the first Popess. (Female Popes disguised as men do not count)

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:36:32am

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I will start to take the Roman Catholic Church seriously the day that the College of Cardinals and Cardinelles elects the first Popess. (Female Popes disguised as men do not count)

I’ll take them seriously when priests, bishops and cardinals are finally jailed for the molestations they committed and covered up.

Will NEVER forget how former Los Angeles Cardinal Phony Mahoney threatened the County Grand Jury with retribution if they indicted him over shuffling pedophile priests from parish to parish. And the Catholics on the Grand Jury buckled in fear of damnation…

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Interesting Times  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:38:27am
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Jay C  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:39:00am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Kentfuckery

And you just KNOW that the Government’s response to the immense clusterfuck of logistic nightmare that imports to/from Europe will devolve into will be to simply blame “The Europeans” for all the problems (since I’m sure the fallback “explanation” will be to castigate the “inflexible” EU for refusing to acquiesce in each and every British demand for trading concessions: i.e. “it’s all Those Arrogant Bloody Foreigners’ fault!” as the go-to excuse for everything).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:41:28am

re: #107 Interesting Times

I get the feeling 2020 is going out with a bang one way or another…

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:42:42am

re: #107 Interesting Times

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Yep, this needs to be broadcast, and Trump and state GOP officials need to be challenged on it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:47:12am

re: #107 Interesting Times

This is terrifying. I share it because terrible threats can only be avoided when faced.

We need a plan for immediate, massive civil demonstrations the second Trump moves to void election results.

Trump CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE.

He knows what awaits him the second he loses immunity.

That is why I do not put him above any sort of evil fuckery to get this case thrown to the SCOTUS.

Our electoral system has never really known a test like this, and it has proven itself not to be very robust, being based on Good Faith and mutual trust and control. But now we have one side willing to go to extremes in order NOT TO LOSE.

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jeffreyw  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:47:41am

re: #83 Barefoot Grin

How’s it hangin’?

By a toenail!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:48:25am

re: #110 Belafon

Yep, this needs to be broadcast, and Trump and state GOP officials need to be challenged on it.

The problem is they’ll say its all bullshit, but then still do whatever they feel is necessary after the election results are in and if they do ultimately pull these kind of shenanigans to put Trump in for a second term, they’ll have some excuse at the ready as to why it seemed “unthinkable” back in September but “necessary” in November.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:48:37am

re: #108 Jay C

And you just KNOW that the Government’s response to the immense clusterfuck of logistic nightmare that imports to/from Europe will devolve into will be to simply blame “The Europeans” for all the problems

The EU made it clear from the very outset: Free movement of goods and capital is contingent on the free movement of people.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 7:55:54am

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

The problem is they’ll say its all bullshit, but then still do whatever they feel is necessary after the election results are in and if they do ultimately pull these kind of shenanigans to put Trump in for a second term, they’ll have some excuse at the ready as to why it seemed “unthinkable” back in September but “necessary” in November.

Turmp tends to back down off these things if called out on it.

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Jay C  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:03:38am

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

The problem is they’ll say its all bullshit, but then still do whatever they feel is necessary after the election results are in and if they do ultimately pull these kind of shenanigans to put Trump in for a second term, they’ll have some excuse at the ready as to why it seemed “unthinkable” back in September but “necessary” in November.

And the other thing about this scenario is that the states most likely to fit this profile - i.e., a State government, State courts and a State Legislature willing to countermand the will of voters based on nothing more than Donald Trump’s unsubstantiated claims - are likely to be “red” states voting for Trump/Rs anyway.

Not that the Asshole Administration wouldn’t TRY….

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:04:43am

re: #116 Jay C

And the other thing about this scenario is that the states most likely to fit this profile - i.e., a State government, State courts and a State Legislature willing to countermand the will of voters based on nothing more than Donald Trump’s unsubstantiated claims - are likely to be “red” states voting for Trump/Rs anyway.

Not that the Asshole Administration wouldn’t TRY….

He’s hoping for Wisconsin and possibly Florida.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:05:51am

re: #117 Belafon

He’s hoping for Wisconsin and possibly Florida.

He will come up with all kinds of “irregularities” in any number of states, the whole point is to throw this matter to the courts, namely the SCOTUS…

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ericblair  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:06:04am
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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:08:07am

re: #119 ericblair

It wont matter. The GOP will claim that the Garland rule doesn’t apply here, and that Trump gets to ram a nomination through, hearing or not. They will do so because the GOP puts party above nation and doesn’t care about anyone’s feelings, comity, or the rule of law.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:08:14am

re: #116 Jay C

And the other thing about this scenario is that the states most likely to fit this profile - i.e., a State government, State courts and a State Legislature willing to countermand the will of voters based on nothing more than Donald Trump’s unsubstantiated claims - are likely to be “red” states voting for Trump/Rs anyway.

Not that the Asshole Administration wouldn’t TRY….

Might be a giggle to call on the Guard Adjutant Generals of contestable states to make a pre-election statement. They can start by emphasizing their determination to guarantee unhindered voting.

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:08:33am
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sagehen  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:10:01am

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is why I do not put him above any sort of evil fuckery to get this case thrown to the SCOTUS.
.

Or to the House. Where each state gets one vote; if he has 26 delegations, it doesn’t matter how small they are.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:11:30am

re: #123 sagehen

Or to the House. Where each state gets one vote; if he has 26 delegations, it doesn’t matter how small they are.

Bless Trump’s soul, he is showing us where the vulnerabilities are.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:11:43am

re: #104 🌹UOJB!

But they will tell her to shut up and get with the Republican Program and she will gladly get back in line to march with the Republican Party.

Do you realize who Sr. Prejean is?

She does not march with the Republican party.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:12:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:12:57am

re: #123 sagehen

Or to the House. Where each state gets one vote; if he has 26 delegations, it doesn’t matter how small they are.

Again, we can count on this election becoming the biggest clusterfucking goat rodeo this nation has ever seen.

Our previous system, based on good faith and mutual trust is about to buckle under the massive ratfuckery that Trump and his criminal organization are about to apply to it.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:13:39am

re: #125 HRH Stanley Sea

Do you realize who Sr. Prejean is?

She does not march with the Republican party.

And bishops listen to nuns—for a large part they were raised by them.

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Jay C  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:14:08am

re: #123 sagehen

Or to the House. Where each state gets one vote; if he has 26 delegations, it doesn’t matter how small they are.

I think the House only gets to rule on Presidential elections if there is no Electoral Vote majority. (Real EVs, that is: not bogus “claims” from disgruntled losers)

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:14:49am
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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:15:31am

re: #126 Patricia Kayden

It’s a good thing Hunter isn’t running for president.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:16:37am

re: #119 ericblair

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Which will be conveniently forgotten.

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Jay C  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:16:58am

re: #131 Belafon

It’s a good thing Hunter isn’t running for president.

To judge by the amount of ink/air/pixels expended by the RW media on trying to slag him, he might as well be.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:17:28am

re: #81 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:18:00am

re: #132 Eventual Carrion

Which will be conveniently forgotten.

they already have their list of excuses lined up

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:18:38am

re: #133 Jay C

To judge by the amount of ink/air/pixels expended by the RW media on trying to slag him, he might as well be.

Hunter is going to be as closely tied to Biden as Trump’s offspring are kept distanced from him…

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:21:04am

The irony is that if Mueller had not been so (self) constrained he would have found plenty to charge both Jared and Jr. with.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:23:24am

re: #117 Belafon

He’s hoping for Wisconsin and possibly Florida.

And Pennsylvania which has a totally corrupted gerrymandered GOP legislature and whose radical leadership IS saying that they are prepared to follow their “constitutional duty”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:23:26am

re: #137 Barefoot Grin

The irony is that if Mueller had not been so (self) constrained he would have found plenty to charge both Jared and Jr. with.

He did not count on Barr being such a partisan hack and dickwad.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:28:25am

re: #139 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He did not count on Barr being such a partisan hack and dickwad.

Which would be surprising since that is how Barr has always been.

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ericblair  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:30:21am

Meanwhile, good thread on what this prof calls the Strongman Con. Propaganda isn’t only used for pumping up their side: it’s for making the opposition despair and give up.

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retired cynic  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:36:54am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:38:14am

re: #141 ericblair

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Meanwhile, good thread on what this prof calls the Strongman Con. Propaganda isn’t only used for pumping up their side: it’s for making the opposition despair and give up.

We are starting another week of voter registration at the branch libraries, but we promise to do it despairingly. Our new regional League of Women Voters team isn’t working on 2020, we’re working for 2028.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:40:21am

re: #141 ericblair

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Meanwhile, good thread on what this prof calls the Strongman Con. Propaganda isn’t only used for pumping up their side: it’s for making the opposition despair and give up.

I guess if there’s any comfort here it’s knowing Mussolini’s ultimate fate.

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steve_davis  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:44:36am

re: #94 Belafon

Wear it when you go vote.

that is brilliant! I can’t say I’ll follow through on it, but it does give me food for thought!

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Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:44:57am

re: #116 Jay C

And the other thing about this scenario is that the states most likely to fit this profile - i.e., a State government, State courts and a State Legislature willing to countermand the will of voters based on nothing more than Donald Trump’s unsubstantiated claims - are likely to be “red” states voting for Trump/Rs anyway.

Not that the Asshole Administration wouldn’t TRY….

Wisconsin and Pennsylvania have GOP controlled legislatures. Same with North Carolina. If such authority is available, I have zero doubt that the WI and NC GOP would attempt this.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:49:10am

I’m really thinking about wearing a couple of military medals when I vote. I wonder if they will call it “electioneering?” If so, I’ll just say, “Hey, I wasn’t captured!” so they won’t know which side I am on.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:49:18am

re: #27 Dread Pirate Ron

So much news is missed due to the Trump dog and pony show.

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So all financial decisions for this nation are negotiated between Pelosi and Mnuchin, with the Republican Senate irrelevant in discussions ( but with the occasional toxic intervention of Meadows).

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:52:04am

re: #146 steve_davis

that is brilliant! I can’t say I’ll follow through on it, but it does give me food for thought!

It would definitely go good as a clasp on a long red cape.

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retired cynic  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:52:42am

re: #137 Barefoot Grin

The irony is that if Mueller had not been so (self) constrained he would have found plenty to charge both Jared and Jr. with.

And Ivanka.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:53:09am

What we really need in one of the hottest states. The article is poor—you can’t tell if it’s nationwide or just here in AL.

Walmart does away with one-way aisles, reopens second set of doors
al.com

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:53:54am

re: #150 Belafon

It would definitely go good as a clasp on a long red cape.

Or a blue beret.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:54:01am

re: #147 Mike Lamb

Wisconsin and Pennsylvania have GOP controlled legislatures. Same with North Carolina. If such authority is available, I have zero doubt that the WI and NC GOP would attempt this.

They also have courts, which have stopped them before now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:55:23am

re: #154 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

They also have courts, which have stopped them before now.

“radical judges legislating from the bench”!

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retired cynic  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:56:41am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

What we really need in one of the hottest states. The article is poor—you can’t tell if it’s nationwide or just here in AL.

Walmart does away with one-way aisles, reopens second set of doors
al.com

It happened here in IL, although some of the aisles are marked one way. No one ever paid attention to them. They have loosened up considerably, and while the majority are still properly masked, we are back to a goodly number of employees not wearing one properly and customers not wearing masks at all.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:56:58am

re: #154 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

They also have courts, which have stopped them before now.

Except there would need to be some kind of “faithless elector” legislation in place. What’s the basis for a court to stop a GOP legislature from doing this if the authority exists?

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:57:23am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“radical judges legislating from the bench”!

They can say whatever they want. Question is, why do you keep channeling them?

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John Hughes  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:57:39am

re: #99 Jay C

How did the UK deal with out-of-country trucking before the EU ?

They had a trade deal.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:57:54am

re: #156 retired cynic

It happened here in IL, although some of the aisles are marked one way. No one ever paid attention to them. They have loosened up considerably, and while the majority are still properly masked, we are back to a goodly number of employees not wearing one properly and customers not wearing masks at all.

I’m going to be pissed if they stop parking lot drop-off.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:57:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:58:26am

re: #158 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

They can say whatever they want. Question is, why do you keep channeling them?

They are only “radical judges legislating from the bench” when they are confounding GOP plans and legislation

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:58:45am

re: #157 Mike Lamb

Except there would need to be some kind of “faithless elector” legislation in place. What’s the basis for a court to stop a GOP legislature from doing this if the authority exists?

The vote count. The court would be deciding whether to invalidate the election.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:59:33am

CBS giving credence to Russian disinformation laundered through the Senate.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 8:59:55am

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are only “radical judges legislating from the bench” when they are confounding GOP plans and legislation

That wasn’t my question.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:01:12am

re: #163 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

The vote count. The court would be deciding whether to invalidate the election.

Our electoral system is not robust enough to stand up to all the evil, criminal fuckery that is about to be launched at it. And all they have to do is a) not get caught red-handed and b) get enough results called into question to throw this to the EC/states/courts and they will have fulfilled their purpose.

TRUMP CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE AND HE KNOWS IT.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:01:37am

re: #161 lawhawk

#RBG’s former law clerks line the steps as her casket is carried in to the Court

Keep an eye on the one in the blue jacket.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:01:53am

re: #164 NO SMOCKING GUN!

CBS giving credence to Russian disinformation laundered through the Senate.

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That’s why they hired Catherine. It’s her beat.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:03:21am

re: #107 Interesting Times

Trump blusters about actions but I find it difficult to believe that they will take these measures. On the other hand, one should never underestimate the evil that Trump will inflict on this nation. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires electors to be selected through an election; the Constitution states

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

A Republican legislature could specify that a slate of Republican electors be selected regardless of the wishes of the electorate. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan all have Republican legislatures.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:04:37am

re: #154 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

Which is why Trump wants his nominee confirmed before the election. She must be grilled about whether she was asked about schemes to block ballots being counted or allowing state legislatures to ignore the voters and select electors, and asked if she will commit to allowing all ballots to be counted and the will of the voters respected.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:05:07am

re: #169 Hecuba’s daughter

It is all so transparent and clearly inevitable at this point that it makes me cringe

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:06:16am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our electoral system is not robust enough to stand up to all the evil, criminal fuckery that is about to be launched at it. And all they have to do is a) not get caught red-handed and b) get enough results called into question to throw this to the EC/states/courts and they will have fulfilled their purpose.

TRUMP CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE AND HE KNOWS IT.

So there’s nothing we can do and we should just give up — never mind that we’ve been winning most of the battles in the courts. Or that they probably can’t do even one of those things, much less both.

Okay, I’m leaving you all to the Paranoid Fantasy of the Day. Almost anything I could do would be more constructive.

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NetworkKed  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:06:39am

re: #169 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump blusters about actions but I find it difficult to believe that they will take these measures. On the other hand, one should never underestimate the evil that Trump will inflict on this nation. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires electors to be selected through an election; the Constitution states

A Republican legislature could specify that a slate of Republican electors be selected regardless of the wishes of the electorate. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan all have Republican legislatures.

The thing is they have previously directed, by passing the election laws that govern the process currently. So they’d need to pass a new, superceding law. Dem govs not likely to sign.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:07:20am

re: #169 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump blusters about actions but I find it difficult to believe that they will take these measures. On the other hand, one should never underestimate the evil that Trump will inflict on this nation. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires electors to be selected through an election; the Constitution states

A Republican legislature could specify that a slate of Republican electors be selected regardless of the wishes of the electorate. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan all have Republican legislatures.

They cannot legally change the rules retroactively, and Trump’s nominee to the Court must be asked to commit to allowing the voters’ will to prevail.

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ericblair  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:07:30am

re: #157 Mike Lamb

Except there would need to be some kind of “faithless elector” legislation in place. What’s the basis for a court to stop a GOP legislature from doing this if the authority exists?

I’d like a deep dive on this topic by lawyers, out of caution more than anything. In this case, you’re not talking about faithless electors. The election for President is technically the election of a slate of electors for your state, by name, and state law will say that the winning slate of electors will be the state’s slate of electors. What this is, is throwing out the winning slate and dumping in Trump’s or a bunch of Trump minions.

That means, at the very least, changing the law, by a state legislature likely not in session with the Democrats throwing every possible procedural roadblock, and I’d assume considerable public chaos and violence taking place at the state capital, with probably a local government willing to fuck things up as well, all before the December deadline to certify the electors. And that’s before the court challenges.

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stpaulbear  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:08:17am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

What we really need in one of the hottest states. The article is poor—you can’t tell if it’s nationwide or just here in AL.

Walmart does away with one-way aisles, reopens second set of doors
al.com

I’ve haven’t yet been in a store with one way aisles in The Twin Cities. The only two chain stores I’ve been into are Target and Walgreens.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:08:37am

re: #163 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

The vote count. The court would be deciding whether to invalidate the election.

If electors don’t have to follow the popular vote count, then the vote count is irrelevant.

Now, I struggle to believe that multiple states would actually do this, because it could very well lead to extremely violent protests, but the possibility is there on a theoretical basis, and the WI and NC state legislatures have shown no qualms about enacting legislation that runs directly counter to the “will of the people”.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:08:57am

re: #173 NetworkKed

The thing is they have previously directed, by passing the election laws that govern the process currently. So they’d need to pass a new, superceding law. Dem govs not likely to sign.

The Democratic governor won’t sign — but I don’t know the rules about veto overrides in each of these states. Obviously a Republican-run state like Florida would have no problem.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:10:00am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

What we really need in one of the hottest states. The article is poor—you can’t tell if it’s nationwide or just here in AL.

Walmart does away with one-way aisles, reopens second set of doors
al.com

Pretty sure it’s nationwide. I’ve seen it here in Texas. As long as people wear masks and observe proper distancing especially when standing still, it should be OK. But we did have a couple yesterday without masks.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:11:23am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our electoral system is not robust enough to stand up to all the evil, criminal fuckery that is about to be launched at it. And all they have to do is a) not get caught red-handed and b) get enough results called into question to throw this to the EC/states/courts and they will have fulfilled their purpose.

TRUMP CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE AND HE KNOWS IT.

If the Court allows Trump to steal the election, we must go on strike and march in massive, nationwide demonstrations until Biden is inaugurated, or our democracy is lost, and we will be living in a fascist dictatorship.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:12:27am

re: #177 Mike Lamb

If electors don’t have to follow the popular vote count, then the vote count is irrelevant.

Now, I struggle to believe that multiple states would actually do this, because it could very well lead to extremely violent protests, but the possibility is there on a theoretical basis, and the WI and NC state legislatures have shown no qualms about enacting legislation that runs directly counter to the “will of the people”.

We had a big todo a couple hundred years ago about taxation and laws being passed by a government without our (the peoples) representation.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:13:04am

re: #177 Mike Lamb

If electors don’t have to follow the popular vote count, then the vote count is irrelevant.

Now, I struggle to believe that multiple states would actually do this, because it could very well lead to extremely violent protests, but the possibility is there on a theoretical basis, and the WI and NC state legislatures have shown no qualms about enacting legislation that runs directly counter to the “will of the people”.

You think they care about this? They are eager to put down anyone who doesn’t worship their MAGAt overlord. Trump was salivating in public about Ali Velshi being injured — his followers are enthusiastic about harming those who don’t support Trump.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:14:55am

re: #182 Hecuba’s daughter

You think they care about this? They are eager to put down anyone who doesn’t worship their MAGAt overlord. Trump was salivating in public about Ali Velshi being injured — his followers are enthusiastic about harming those who don’t support Trump.

And our cities are occupied by armed fascists, the cops, eager to shed blood for dear leader.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:16:36am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

What we really need in one of the hottest states. The article is poor—you can’t tell if it’s nationwide or just here in AL.

Walmart does away with one-way aisles, reopens second set of doors
al.com

Walmart here in upstate NY finally opened both sets of doors, but one set is exit only. Makes more sense.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:17:10am

re: #182 Hecuba’s daughter

You think they care about this? They are eager to put down anyone who doesn’t worship their MAGAt overlord. Trump was salivating in public about Ali Velshi being injured — his followers are enthusiastic about harming those who don’t support Trump.

The question is, how will the people react when they see cops murdering protestors in support of a fascist coup? If they don’t rise up en masse to oppose it, this isn’t the country I always thought it was.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:18:11am

re: #172 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

So there’s nothing we can do and we should just give up — never mind that we’ve been winning most of the battles in the courts. Or that they probably can’t do even one of those things, much less both.

Okay, I’m leaving you all to the Paranoid Fantasy of the Day. Almost anything I could do would be more constructive.

I did not say that, just that we need to be prepared for fuckery on a level unseen before.

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Jay C  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:18:28am

re: #177 Mike Lamb

If electors don’t have to follow the popular vote count, then the vote count is irrelevant.

Now, I struggle to believe that multiple states would actually do this, because it could very well lead to extremely violent protests, but the possibility is there on a theoretical basis, and the WI and NC state legislatures have shown no qualms about enacting legislation that runs directly counter to the “will of the people”.

Actually, by many (most? all?) state laws, electors DO have to follow the vote count: IIRC, the SC just upheld a law in (Oregon?), penalizing a “faithless elector” for not casting their vote for the popular-election winner.
Odd fact: in 2016, there were (?a record?) seven “faithless electors” - voting for a litter of “others”, rather than Donald or Hillary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:20:26am

re: #180 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If the Court allows Trump to steal the election, we must go on strike and march in massive, nationwide demonstrations until Biden is inaugurated, or our democracy is lost, and we will be living in a fascist dictatorship.

I hate to be such a fucking Cassandra, but that would play right into Trump’s hands: these demonstrations will quickly grow violent and branded as “Antifa/Anarchist rioting” and used as an excuse for cracking down even harder…

Having painted that picture, I really hope it does not come to that.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:22:08am

Al Franken’s quote—“I like Ted Cruz more than his Republican senate colleagues do…and I hate Ted Cruz” comes to mind:

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retired cynic  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:23:09am

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They cannot legally change the rules retroactively, and Trump’s nominee to the Court must be asked to commit to allowing the voters’ will to prevail.

IF McConnell should just say, we’ll skip the hearings and just vote, there won’t be a chance to ask her anything.

Surely if he tries such a thing (“to save time”), a couple of Repubs would find that a step too far. And Dems should ask why not use that saved time to vote on some aid to the people devastated by the pandemic.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:25:48am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I hate to be such a fucking Cassandra, but that would play right into Trump’s hands: these demonstrations will quickly grow violent and branded as “Antifa/Anarchist rioting” and used as an excuse for cracking down even harder…

Having painted that picture, I really hope it does not come to that.

Our other option is to simply accept our fascist overlords, unless you have another idea.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:27:18am

re: #182 Hecuba’s daughter

You think they care about this? They are eager to put down anyone who doesn’t worship their MAGAt overlord. Trump was salivating in public about Ali Velshi being injured — his followers are enthusiastic about harming those who don’t support Trump.

re: #183 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And our cities are occupied by armed fascists, the cops, eager to shed blood for dear leader.

Well aren’t you all little rays of sunshine!

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:27:25am

re: #185 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The question is, how will the people react when they see cops murdering protestors in support of a fascist coup? If they don’t rise up en masse to oppose it, this isn’t the country I always thought it was.

The way they always have: 1/3 will cheer the murders on, 1/3 will say “tisk tisk” and 1/3 will say “huh?”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:29:13am

re: #190 retired cynic

IF McConnell should just say, we’ll skip the hearings and just vote, there won’t be a chance to ask her anything.

Surely if he tries such a thing (“to save time”), a couple of Repubs would find that a step too far. And Dems should ask why not use that saved time to vote on some aid to the people devastated by the pandemic.

I would hope that going straight to a vote without a hearing would be a bridge too far even for McConnell. GOP Senators would want their opportunity to demonstrate their support in a televised confirmation hearing.

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retired cynic  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:30:41am

Email from Adam Schiff saying that today, he is introducing a bill called The Protecting Our Democracy Act, which is “is an ambitious set of comprehensive reforms designed to prevent abuses of presidential power, restore our system of checks and balances, create greater accountability and transparency, and protect our elections.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:31:14am

I see people here are in despair. Read this thread (and Terri Kanefield’s other excellent threads)

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:31:34am

re: #194 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I would hope that going straight to a vote without a hearing would be a bridge too far even for McConnell. GOP Senators would want their opportunity to demonstrate their support in a televised confirmation hearing.

And Kamala would have to take time away from the campaign.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:32:53am

re: #196 The Pie Overlord!

I’m not in despair.

I’m just pissed off.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:33:25am
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:34:09am

I see the wingnuts are hopping up and down trying to make the Hunter Biden bullshit into a “THING” by adding some Qcrap.

IT. IS. COMPLETE. BULLSHIT.

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retired cynic  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:34:27am

re: #199 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

You just beat me! I signed up for her newsletter.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:34:50am

re: #193 William Lewis

The way they always have: 1/3 will cheer the murders on, 1/3 will say “tisk tisk” and 1/3 will say “huh?”

I refuse to believe that. The televised police brutality in the sixties repulsed the nation and made civil rights legislation possible.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:36:39am

re: #197 Hecuba’s daughter

And Kamala would have to take time away from the campaign.

But grilling Trump’s nominee on national tv would be a very good use of her time!

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ericblair  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:38:19am

re: #200 The Pie Overlord!

I see the wingnuts are hopping up and down trying to make the Hunter Biden bullshit into a “THING” by adding some Qcrap.

IT. IS. COMPLETE. BULLSHIT.

Funnily enough, the FTFNYT headline for this particular bit of fuckery is “Republican Inquiry Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Biden” and the Washington Post says “GOP senators’ report calls Hunter Biden’s board position with Ukraine firm ‘problematic,’ but fails to show how it changed U.S. policy”. So the fucking Times is better on this, but both of them fall into Wet Fart category.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:42:22am

re: #203 NO SMOCKING GUN!

But grilling Trump’s nominee on national tv would be a very good use of her time!

Of course, the choice of a female Catholic mother of adoptive children from Haiti will allow them to paint anyone “attacking” her (e.g. asking tough questions) as being anti-women, anti-Christian, anti-motherhood and and anti-black.

(I know I am channeling the fuckers, but that is exactly what they are planning.)

Their only two qualifications in the end are that the candidate be prepared to support DT in an electoral challenge and to vote against Roe v. Wade.

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:43:51am

re: #202 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I refuse to believe that. The televised police brutality in the sixties repulsed the nation and made civil rights legislation possible.

We do have those moments.

We also have MacArthur and his troops clearing out the Bonus marchers without even a peep from the population. Multiple massacres of strikers and not a peep outside of the unions. Tulsa and the other “riots” that Americans cheered on.

And don’t even forget September 11, 1973.

I could continue but I think the point is made. I do not think we can assume that the one will happen again when so many other things have happened instead.

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stpaulbear  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:46:15am

Man, I’ve been a financial supporter of MN Public Radio for over 30 years (despite my dislike of National Public Radio), but the shit has really hit the fan at MPR over the coverup of sexual harassment and the firing of the only black DJ on their classical music station. Management is fucked up and the CEO of MPR’s parent company who is being forced to step down has been making 3/4 of a million dollars per year in salary. MPR has been very successful but it’s management has always been corporate in the worst ways. I just cancelled my membership. If I could support only their local news programing, I’d stay in but the rot is too widespread now. This is a sad event for me.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:46:16am

Got a two-fer

Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the richest woman in Russia and the widow of Yury Luzhkov, the former mayor of Moscow, Senate Republicans revealed in their report on the younger Biden’s work in Ukraine.

Baturina is referenced in the 87-page report, which was released Wednesday, addressing her payment to Biden’s investment firm in early 2014.

“Baturina became Russia’s only female billionaire when her plastics company, Inteko, received a series of Moscow municipal contracts while her husband was mayor,” it said in providing background on the businesswoman.

The report described her involvement with Biden as “a financial relationship,” but declined to delve deeper into why the wire transfer was made.

The probe also found that Baturina sent 11 wires transfers between May through December 2015 to a bank account belonging to BAK USA, a tech startup that filed for bankruptcy in March 2019.

nypost.com

BAK USA Tax Free Start up in Buffalo NY:

Governor Andrew M. Cuomo today announced the expansion of the global headquarters of Bak USA, one of the first American firms to produce its own-branded electronic tablets, is complete. When Bak USA opened its doors in 2015, it employed just 15 people at its facility on Buffalo’s East Side. Since then, the company has grown to a staff of 80 full-time employees and expects to increase their workforce to 100 employees by 2018. Bak USA works with local agencies and global leaders to build computers for schools, businesses, and government agencies around the world.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:47:09am

re: #206 William Lewis

We do have those moments.

It also depends on the attitude of the media covering them: the US news media turned on Nixon and the Vietnam War, or rather refused to continue to paint his picture of a Patriotic War and struggle against World Communism, showing it instead for what it really was: bloody imperialism and maintaining our “interests” by bombing civilians.

I dare not think what the media would make of rioting in US cities and armed confrontation between police, militias and other armed groups…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:48:59am

re: #206 William Lewis

We do have those moments.

We also have MacArthur and his troops clearing out the Bonus marchers without even a peep from the population. Multiple massacres of strikers and not a peep outside of the unions. Tulsa and the other “riots” that Americans cheered on.

And don’t even forget September 11, 1973.

I could continue but I think the point is made. I do not think we can assume that the one will happen again when so many other things have happened instead.

Your other examples weren’t carried live on TV and the internet. When police carnage was beamed directly into people’s homes on the nightly news, the people were outraged. If millions of protesters all over the country are brutalized by cops because the Court rubber stamped a fascist coup, I don’t think the people will just shrug their shoulders.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:49:38am

re: #205 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Of course, the choice of a female Catholic mother of adoptive children from Haiti will allow them to paint anyone “attacking” her (e.g. asking tough questions) as being anti-women, anti-Christian, anti-motherhood and and anti-black.

(I know I am channeling the fuckers, but that is exactly what they are planning.)

Their only two qualifications in the end are that the candidate be prepared to support DT in an electoral challenge and to vote against Roe v. Wade.

There’s a particular Democratic VP candidate who will be perfect for asking those questions then.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:50:20am

re: #206 William Lewis

We do have those moments.

We also have MacArthur and his troops clearing out the Bonus marchers without even a peep from the population. Multiple massacres of strikers and not a peep outside of the unions. Tulsa and the other “riots” that Americans cheered on.

And don’t even forget September 11, 1973.

I could continue but I think the point is made. I do not think we can assume that the one will happen again when so many other things have happened instead.

Was Kent State televised?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:51:27am

re: #205 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Of course, the choice of a female Catholic mother of adoptive children from Haiti will allow them to paint anyone “attacking” her (e.g. asking tough questions) as being anti-women, anti-Christian, anti-motherhood and and anti-black.

(I know I am channeling the fuckers, but that is exactly what they are planning.)

Their only two qualifications in the end are that the candidate be prepared to support DT in an electoral challenge and to vote against Roe v. Wade.

And vote to eliminate the ACA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:51:55am

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

And vote to eliminate the ACA.

That goes without saying…

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:53:10am

re: #207 stpaulbear

Man, I’ve been a financial supporter of MN Public Radio for over 30 years (despite my dislike of National Public Radio), but the shit has really hit the fan at MPR over the coverup of sexual harassment and the firing of the only black DJ on their classical music station. Management is fucked up and the CEO of MPR’s parent company who is being forced to step down has been making 3/4 of a million dollars per year in salary. MPR has been very successful but it’s management has always been corporate in the worst ways. I just cancelled my membership. If I could support only their local news programing, I’d stay in but the rot is too widespread now.

MPR gets constantly referenced on the local NPR station in DFW, KERA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:54:09am

re: #215 Belafon

MPR gets constantly referenced on the local NPR station in DFW, KERA.

They gave us Garrison Keillor…the very voice of Public Radio in the 80’s

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:54:13am

fivethirtyeight.com keeps upping the importance of Pennsylvania, which now has a 34% chance of being the tipping point state. This means the Democrats have to pull out the stops on educating voters that they must put their ballot in the inner envelope before putting it in the outer envelope, or up to 100k votes could be disallowed.

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:55:24am

re: #210 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Your other examples weren’t carried live on TV and the internet. When police carnage was beamed directly into people’s homes on the nightly news, the people were outraged. If millions of protesters all over the country are brutalized by cops because the Court rubber stamped a fascist coup, I don’t think the people will just shrug their shoulders.

To paraphrase Uncle Joe, One death (George Floyd) is a tragedy. Thousands of rioters being beaten and disappeared is a statistic. They’re running ads here saying that Biden is “Too Weak” to take on the rioters using people supposedly from Kenosha. That’s where the whole “law and order” thing takes hold and people being afraid rather than being allied.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:56:44am

re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That goes without saying…

I can’t think of a better way of ensuring that M4A is enacted and the Court expanded than using a bullshit argument as an excuse to strike the ACA. The Right can be awfully shortsighted.

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:57:03am

re: #212 Belafon

Was Kent State televised?

No and it was actually very popular in the US. The attitude in the majority of the population was that they should have killed far more of the dirty students. Same with support for the Chilian coup in 1973. The US was a very different place from 1965 by then.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:57:26am

re: #208 Shropshire Slasher

The report described her involvement with Biden as “a financial relationship,” but declined to delve deeper into why the wire transfer was made.

Considering the source, this probably means the transfers were provably legit.

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steve_davis  Sep 23, 2020 • 9:57:33am

re: #169 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump blusters about actions but I find it difficult to believe that they will take these measures. On the other hand, one should never underestimate the evil that Trump will inflict on this nation. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires electors to be selected through an election; the Constitution states

A Republican legislature could specify that a slate of Republican electors be selected regardless of the wishes of the electorate. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan all have Republican legislatures.

A Republican legislature that tried this could also be tarred, feathered, and hanged by the neck until dead. No politician who has just won reelection is going to argue that the election was invalid. They certainly aren’t going to risk it in a vain attempt to save a president that many of them privately loathe anyway.

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TedStriker  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:01:50am

re: #216 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They gave us Garrison Keillor…the very voice of Public Radio in the 80’s

Who also turned out to be an sexually abusive creep, unfortunately…

en.wikipedia.org

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stpaulbear  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:03:20am

re: #215 Belafon

MPR gets constantly referenced on the local NPR station in DFW, KERA.

I’m really sad about cancelling. Their news department is mostly very good. If I rejoin, it will be to support their news departments.

Their ‘rock’ station started out proclaiming great intentions but then forced playlists on the DJs very quickly and I quit caring. The black DJ I mentioned above was fired for diverging from the playlist at their classical music station.

re: #216 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They gave us Garrison Keillor…the very voice of Public Radio in the 80’s

He may have been part of the downfall. PHC brought so much money into the station that it changed the culture.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:03:57am

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Considering the source, this probably means the transfers were provably legit.

Yes. The story itself has the misleading of headline that it was money to Hunter Biden, before casually slipping into the body of the story that it was a payment to his investment firm. If we want to go down that line, the companies and individuals investing in Trump companies would be enlightening I’m sure.

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:06:07am

re: #220 William Lewis

No and it was actually very popular in the US. The attitude in the majority of the population was that they should have killed far more of the dirty students. Same with support for the Chilian coup in 1973. The US was a very different place from 1965 by then.

Multiple USes always exist. Attention shifts between them.

Nixon won reelection. AFTER Watergate. Shit happens. So do diaper changes.

Nixon resigned.

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jeffreyw  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:06:41am

re: #202 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I refuse to believe that. The televised police brutality in the sixties repulsed the nation and made civil rights legislation possible.

In the ’60s we didn’t have Fox News anchors goading the police on and saying that those people are just getting what they deserve.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:07:28am

Breonna Taylor ruling imminent.

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steve_davis  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:07:40am

re: #182 Hecuba’s daughter

You think they care about this? They are eager to put down anyone who doesn’t worship their MAGAt overlord. Trump was salivating in public about Ali Velshi being injured — his followers are enthusiastic about harming those who don’t support Trump.

You’re thinking about this too much like a one-way street. There is absolutely zero possibility that in an uncontested election in which Democrats gain seats in the House and Senate, and also win an electoral majority for the presidency, that Republicans are going to be able to rat-fuck things like this. Honestly, as I said in another thread, there would literally be judges hanging from lamp posts if they tried that nonsense. there would be civil war. Democrats have had the presidency taken from them twice in the last 20 years after having won the popular vote. Republicans trying to rat fuck their way into a presidential victory would end catastrophically.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:07:49am

re: #223 TedStriker

Who also turned out to be an sexually abusive creep, unfortunately…

en.wikipedia.org

That happened with a lot of entertainers I once enjoyed: Woody Allen, Bill Cosby, Louis C.K., Kevin Spacey, etc…

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ericblair  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:08:04am

re: #222 steve_davis

A Republican legislature that tried this could also be tarred, feathered, and hanged by the neck until dead. No politician who has just won reelection is going to argue that the election was invalid. They certainly aren’t going to risk it in a vain attempt to save a president that many of them privately loathe anyway.

There’s also the little prisoners’ dilemma problem too: if enough legislatures tried it, maybe they could succeed in engineering a blatant coup (but I doubt it). If not enough legislatures tried it, the ones that did have a bit of a problem on their hands.

“If treason doth prosper none dare call it treason”, sure, but if it dothn’t?

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stpaulbear  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:08:46am

re: #217 NO SMOCKING GUN!

fivethirtyeight.com keeps upping the importance of Pennsylvania, which now has a 34% chance of being the tipping point state. This means the Democrats have to pull out the stops on educating voters that they must put their ballot in the inner envelope before putting it in the outer envelope, or up to 100k votes could be disallowed.

Can people who’ve already voted incorrectly and had their vote rejected apply for a new ballot? Are mail-in voters informed if their ballot was rejected? It’s not double voting if your first vote didn’t count.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:09:33am

re: #229 steve_davis

Republicans trying to rat fuck their way into a presidential victory would end catastrophically.

I would like to think that, but Trump is a desperate man with a criminal mind who is aware of little but certainly knows what is coming down on him the second he loses Presidential immunity.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:10:43am

re: #231 ericblair

There’s also the little prisoners’ dilemma problem too: if enough legislatures tried it, maybe they could succeed in engineering a blatant coup (but I doubt it). If not enough legislatures tried it, the ones that did have a bit of a problem on their hands.

“If treason doth prosper none dare call it treason”, sure, but if it dothn’t?

If the election is close and Trump just needs 10 more electoral votes, Wisconsin might try it. I hope not, and I hope its not close, though high quality polls showed him leading in Florida and Arizona today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:13:55am

re: #231 ericblair

There’s also the little prisoners’ dilemma problem too: if enough legislatures tried it, maybe they could succeed in engineering a blatant coup (but I doubt it). If not enough legislatures tried it, the ones that did have a bit of a problem on their hands.

“If treason doth prosper none dare call it treason”, sure, but if it dothn’t?

Trump has taught them that if you are just blatant and blustering in a way that nobody has dared before, you can get away with it. And our press is willing enough to go along, they love the entertainment factor.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:14:08am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would like to think that, but Trump is a desperate man with a criminal mind who is aware of little but certainly knows what is coming down on him the second he loses Presidential immunity.

Which doesn’t really contradict steve’s statement. And desperate people tend to make big mistakes.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:15:15am

My fear at this moment is that this thread is leading us down another doomhole.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:16:46am

re: #237 Belafon

My fear at this moment is that this thread is leading us down another doomhole.

How about this then?:

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:17:03am

re: #220 William Lewis

No and it was actually very popular in the US. The attitude in the majority of the population was that they should have killed far more of the dirty students. Same with support for the Chilian coup in 1973. The US was a very different place from 1965 by then.

I know you’ve read it, but I don’t want to miss the opportunity to put in a plug for James A. Michener’s book Kent State: What Happened and Why. He was really a gifted non-fiction writer, though of course he is better known for his sometimes bloated fiction. It goes into some depth about initial public approval of the shootings, and some of the scurrilous rumors that were floated about the dead protesters. This is eerily predictive of the automatic defamation of police shooting victims that we see today (literally this very day).
The state’s coverup was disgustingly obvious even to me at the time (I was in aviator training and no friend of the anti-war movement.) They know that 67 rounds were fired but they don’t know who fired them, thanks to the absence of armory records and the failure to conduct forensic ballistics testing. We do know that only a few of the soldiers fired, and fewer still for effect, since most of the hits were at short range. It is quite possible that only 2 or 3 men did most of the damage, deaths and maiming alike, but they got away scot-free.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:18:43am

re: #237 Belafon

My fear at this moment is that this thread is leading us down another doomhole.

What few shreds of optimism I have shored over this dismal year got really taxed when RBG died…

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:19:42am

re: #144 Barefoot Grin

I guess if there’s any comfort here it’s knowing Mussolini’s ultimate fate.

I wasn’t there when Mussolini took his last ride in an automobile, so I don’t know for sure, but I think he knew how it was going to end. In the same situation, I can only see trmp bitching that “this isn’t the right way to get to the golf course.”

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Kilroy was here  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:21:26am

Timing..

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:22:09am

Hankison charged

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:22:27am

re: #243 Kilroy was here

Timing..

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Which is why he was so supportive of Obama’s presidency.

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:25:13am

re: #239 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I met an NCO in the Ohio guard, in another life. His story - and I have no way to prove it - was that he’d just gotten back from Vietnam where he’d worked with the Phoenix Program. He begged that the unit sent to Kent be issued bayonets but no ammo. When I met him in 1992, he said he considered it his negative karma that he was ignored. It would make an interesting basis for a novella…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:27:11am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:27:20am

wlky.com

Detective Brett Hankison is the only one charged, and only with reckless and wanton endangerment for shooting like a mad dog into the apartments of Breonna’s neighbors. This has nothing to do with the death of Breonna herself. It is not usually a state prison felony if no one was provably hit.

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piratedan  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:27:21am

re: #126 Patricia Kayden

you know what Ron, if Hunter Biden broke the law, then fucking bring charges and indict him. If you don’t have any evidence that he broke US law then what are we talking about this for? If he broke international law, refer this to The Hague.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:28:21am

Once again, the cops throw a big “Fuck you!” to people who think their actions should have consequences.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:29:42am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:30:15am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:31:01am

re: #190 retired cynic

IF McConnell should just say, we’ll skip the hearings and just vote, there won’t be a chance to ask her anything.

Surely if he tries such a thing (“to save time”), a couple of Repubs would find that a step too far. And Dems should ask why not use that saved time to vote on some aid to the people devastated by the pandemic.

I’m sure Susan Collins will express concern. And then vote in favor of whomever they are shoving through onto the court.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:32:35am

re: #252 Dread Pirate Ron

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I was looking for a June date on that Birx article.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:34:21am

The three chargers of wanton endangerment against one officer for endangering the lives of Breonna Taylor’s neighbors are an outrage, and I hope it doesn’t result in violence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:35:49am

re: #240 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What few shreds of optimism I have shored over this dismal year got really taxed when RBG died…

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:47:41am

re: #170 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Which is why Trump wants his nominee confirmed before the election. She must be grilled about whether she was asked about schemes to block ballots being counted or allowing state legislatures to ignore the voters and select electors, and asked if she will commit to allowing all ballots to be counted and the will of the voters respected.

Are lies in response to these questions impeachable? I assume so but don’t actually know.

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cat-tikvah  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:13:04am

re: #217 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A friend in Philly came up with these:


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