Colbert: Trump’s Disregard for Human Life Has Resulted in 200K Deaths and CDC Guidance That Can’t Be Trusted

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As America’s Covid-19 death toll passes another grim milestone the devastating consequences of President Trump’s disregard for human life are still becoming clear, as they did this week when the CDC mysteriously removed guidance from their website indicating that the Coronavirus may transmit through aerosol droplets. #Colbert #CDC #Monologue

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:38:06am

FT and GOTV

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:38:18am

FT. F the Louisville grand jury.

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:38:40am

45 will be 86ed in the usual way. It will seem odd for these unusual times.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:39:25am

re: #3 wrenchwench

45 will be 86ed in the usual way. It will seem odd for these unusual times.

I sure hope so.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:41:29am

re: #2 i(m)p(each)sos

FT. F the Louisville grand jury.

Remember, a prosecutor can get a ham sandwich indicted if they want. This is on Cameron.

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retired cynic  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:43:31am

I don’t know what is going on globally, but the fighter jets from Scott AFB about 75 miles south of here are rumbling non-stop this morning. They use the IL River as a geographic marker.

Years ago, they used to dive bomb our horse pastures. Fortunately, no horses were killed in the resulting dashes. They weren’t supposed to do that, legally, and we kicked and kicked until they finally stopped. One time a plane was so low we could see the pilot in silhouette, maybe 150-200 feet up. The horses did not care for that!

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:48:50am

Possibly symbolic occurrence in Jefferson Square. Somebody set a trash can on fire, cameras zeroed in on it, a protester walked up and put it out with a water bottle. wlky.com

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:50:47am

re: #7 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Possibly symbolic occurrence in Jefferson Square. Somebody set a trash can on fire, cameras zeroed in on it, a protester walked up and put it out with a water bottle. wlky.com

It would be instructive for them to track down the person starting the fire. Bet it wasn’t a protester.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 10:59:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:00:25am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:01:21am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:01:55am
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secretslothbear  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:02:24am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:03:21am

I think Louisville is going to be burning tonight.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:03:42am
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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:03:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:05:03am
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dangerman  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:05:15am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:06:00am

re: #3 wrenchwench

45 will be 86ed in the usual way. It will seem odd for these unusual times.

We need a clear and incontestable voter outcome. Put this puppy to bed on Election Day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:06:20am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:07:48am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He said there was an eyewitness other than the cops.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:07:53am
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dangerman  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:07:55am

Thread’s a good read

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:08:39am

re: #21 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He said there was an eyewitness other than the cops.

and eyewitnesses are always unquestionably accurate..

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:09:09am

re: #21 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He said there was an eyewitness other than the cops.

There was one that said they heard an officer yell “Police!” before they entered, and 11 that did not, according to the NYT.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:10:19am

re: #25 Belafon

There was one that said they heard an officer yell “Police!” before they entered, and 11 that did not, according to the NYT.

well, who are you going to believe? One person who believes in Law and Order or 11 obvious BLM/Antifa radicals?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:10:46am

O_O

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:11:27am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cameron: Six bullets struck Taylor and only one of the shots was fatal.

“co-morbidity”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:11:32am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:12:30am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:12:30am

Pennsylvania Republicans are openly discussing the appointment of Trump electors if Trump can tie up the vote count long enough. There is a 34% chance that Pa will be the tipping point state, according to fivethirtyeight.com.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:12:48am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Doesn’t seem to be any dispute that they used a battering ram to enter. It was midnight. Even if they knocked (why would they have knocked after having gone to the trouble of obtaining a “no knock” warrant), my guess is that they knocked, shouted “It’s the police”, and within 5 seconds, had destroyed the door and were in the house. I’m guessing it was really similar to Tamir Rice in terms of time from arrival to shots fired.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:14:49am

I think I see the problem

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retired cynic  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:14:53am

re: #32 Mike Lamb

I’m betting you are correct.

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:16:12am

There isn’t equal justice
Never has been
We were heading there and then…

Time to change the pledge of allegiance
“Liberty and justice for some”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:16:37am

re: #32 Mike Lamb

Doesn’t seem to be any dispute that they used a battering ram to enter. It was midnight. Even if they knocked (why would they have knocked after having gone to the trouble of obtaining a “no knock” warrant), my guess is that they knocked, shouted “It’s the police”, and within 5 seconds, had destroyed the door and were in the house. I’m guessing it was really similar to Tamir Rice in terms of time from arrival to shots fired.

Cameron claimed it was not a no knock warrant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:16:46am
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jaunte  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:17:36am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

“police knocked and announced their presence”

Someone banged on the door and shouted something inaudible to the occupants of the house.

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retired cynic  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:17:37am

re: #23 dangerman

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:19:56am
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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:20:19am

re: #39 retired cynic

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:20:44am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:21:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:21:49am
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stpaulbear  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:24:55am

re: #14 GlutenFreeJesus

I think Louisville is going to be burning tonight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:25:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:26:52am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:26:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:27:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:28:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:32:23am

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

As a practicing Catholic and a loyal Democrat, I am proud that my party’s most recent president put a Catholic on the Court, that our Speaker is Catholic, and that our presidential nominee is Catholic. As we Catholic Texans say, that dogma don’t hunt.

Catholics come in all sorts of types, from Liberation-Theology social activist Catholics to pedophile-coddling Medieval fertility cult Catholics.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:32:48am

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Plus, he’s dismantled Obama’s attempts at opening up Cuba.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:34:56am

re: #38 jaunte

“police knocked and announced their presence”

Someone banged on the door and shouted something inaudible to the occupants of the house.

Who were asleep. Has anybody asked what the fuck was so urgent that they had to go in the middle of the night? Are cops no longer capable of a stakeout?

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:35:49am

Fuck off!

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Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:37:13am

Reading more, the warrant was changed from a no-knock to knock and announce. Kenneth Walker claims to have heard loud banging but didn’t hear that they identified themselves as police, even after Walker asked who was knocking. They then broke through the door. The account I read is that Walker fired once. Police put the entire apartment on blast. No one gave Breonna medical attention for 20 minutes after she had been shot, and it was left to Walker to call 911 5 minutes after the shooting.

Oh, and the police lied repeatedly in the incident report, but we are supposed to believe the parts of their account that would matter, such as that they did, in fact, announce.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:37:41am

re: #45 stpaulbear

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:37:52am

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Catholics come in all sorts of types, from Liberation-Theology social activist Catholics to pedophile-coddling Medieval fertility cult Catholics.

We say it in regards to Anglicans but the classic statement is that if you ask 10 believers a question of dogma you’ll get 25 answers. It’s pretty much that way on the other bank of the Tiber.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:38:43am

re: #45 stpaulbear

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stpaulbear  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:38:51am

Is Cameron’s sickening show today going to push more people to vote for Amy McGrath? Can she get over the top?

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:39:33am

re: #53 Jebediah, RBG

Who were asleep. Has anybody asked what the fuck was so urgent that they had to go in the middle of the night? Are cops no longer capable of a stakeout?

They might destroy evidence is the usual excuse. That’s the whole purpose behind no knocks in the first place.

Everything in modern American policing is set up to preserve & protect the ability of Joe the Cop to waste anyone he choses and not suffer any consequence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:40:46am

good fucking grief

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:40:49am

re: #5 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Remember, a prosecutor can get a ham sandwich indicted if they want. This is on Cameron.

That quip in full reads “indicted by a Grand Jury.” Most states don’t use them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:41:19am

re: #60 William Lewis

They might destroy evidence is the usual excuse. That’s the whole purpose behind no knocks in the first place.

Everything in modern American policing is set up to preserve & protect the ability of Joe the Cop to waste anyone he choses and not suffer any consequence.

Because Trump and many of his supporters define “Law and Order” as “the ability of Joe the Cop to waste anyone he choses and not suffer any consequence.”

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:43:42am

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

Common ground between wanting to live a peaceful life and an unneeded death caused by police. I’m trying to figure out the middle of that.

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:44:36am
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stpaulbear  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:44:45am

re: #64 Belafon

Common ground between wanting to live a peaceful life and an unneeded death caused by police. I’m trying to figure out the middle of that.

“Know your place”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:45:27am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:46:07am
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jaunte  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:47:23am

re: #68 Dread Pirate Ron

It’s good to see someone, anyone, pushing back on that ignoramus.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:47:45am

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Take a look at the article this references — it makes me glad I’m no longer involved with HR.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:49:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:51:48am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:53:06am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:54:22am
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bratwurst  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:54:26am

Never Trumpers, man.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:55:02am

re: #68 Dread Pirate Ron

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Fauci was too kind in his response. I would have worked the terms “worthless, know nothing piece of shit” and “fucking moron” into my answer to him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:55:19am

re: #68 Dread Pirate Ron

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:55:59am

re: #59 stpaulbear

Is Cameron’s sickening show today going to push more people to vote for Amy McGrath? Can she get over the top?

Unlikely, but we can always hope. How do you convince black people that their vote can change things when shit like this keeps happening?

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thecommodore  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:57:41am

This is disquieting:

“According to sources in the Republican Party at the state and national levels, the Trump campaign is discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority. With a justification based on claims of rampant fraud, Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly.”

theatlantic.com

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:58:13am

re: #78 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Unlikely, but we can always hope. How do you convince black people that their vote can change things when shit like this keeps happening?

How you convince white people that this crap is causing them trouble as well, and that they need to vote to end it?

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:59:10am

re: #78 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Unlikely, but we can always hope. How do you convince black people that their vote can change things when shit like this keeps happening?

If we had a Democratic administration, this response would get the federal Justice Department involved. We could expect consequences.

If Kentucky weren’t overwhelming red,… you get the idea.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:59:58am

re: #80 Belafon

How you convince white people that this crap is causing them trouble as well, and that they need to vote to end it?

Shoot some more of them. It’s beginning to happen.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2020 • 11:59:59am

re: #75 bratwurst

Never Trumpers, man.

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Can we separate the person from the policy? Sure, if such daylight exists.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:01:49pm

re: #80 Belafon

How you convince white people that this crap is causing them trouble as well, and that they need to vote to end it?

There is no convincing Magats; they are hopeless.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:03:05pm

“Rand, you ignorant slut!”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:03:25pm

re: #81 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

If we had a Democratic administration, this response would get the federal Justice Department involved. We could expect consequences.

If Kentucky weren’t overwhelming red,… you get the idea.

Yep, but I sure wouldn’t be lecturing black people about their voting turnout today, especially with the way the states work to prevent them from voting.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:04:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:06:19pm

So the cycle continues.

There will be more George Floyds, more Breonna Taylors, more Travyon Martins, more Tamir Rices, more Michael Browns and more Eric Garners.

And the fear of every black person in America is: “Am I gonna be the next one?”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:07:20pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:13:42pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:13:46pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:15:06pm

re: #86 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yep, but I sure wouldn’t be lecturing black people about their voting turnout today, especially with the way the states work to prevent them from voting.

They know how cops are hired and who signs cops’ paychecks.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:18:05pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

That shit on Rachel Maddow last night was direct proof of this. I seriously hope Joe has a strong AG in mind, they’re going to be busy for a long time.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:19:44pm

re: #86 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yep, but I sure wouldn’t be lecturing black people about their voting turnout today, especially with the way the states work to prevent them from voting.

I am 99.9999999999999999999….% confident that blacks know exactly what’s going on and don’t need anyone worrying about their responsibilities as voters. I’m sure they’re much more worried about cops and white people blowing this off.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:22:28pm

re: #94 Belafon

I am 99.9999999999999999999….% confident that blacks know exactly what’s going on and don’t need anyone worrying about their responsibilities as voters. I’m sure they’re much more worried about cops and white people blowing this off.

I’d go all the way to 100%. And they’re most worried about white guys blowing this off.

Because if there’s one group that appears impervious to facts and logic and reality, it’s that group of privileged folks who think that everyone else having the same rights as they do somehow diminishes their rights (so they fight to deprive everyone else of their rights and screw themselves in the process as the rich white folks deprive everyone of their opportunities)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:23:23pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:27:46pm

Covid isn’t going away anytime soon.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:30:05pm

re: #97 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Covid isn’t going away anytime soon.

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Note to self: Stay the fuck out of Indiana….forever, if possible.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:30:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:30:44pm

here’s a little mystery:

KyAG Daniel Jay Cameron got married on July 31. They are engagement party pictures of the couple and the internet rumor mill claims she is Mitch’s granddaughter.

The woman has no name. She is only referred to as “wife” anywhere you look (wiki page only lists his first wife, Elizabeth).

I have other things to do now that I wasted about half an hour on this.

Just a very curious thing.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:31:58pm

re: #98 Eclectic Cyborg

Note to self: Stay the fuck out of Indiana….forever, if possible.

Indiana is doing little testing, and has a 9% positivity rate, soon to skyrocket, I suspect. Pretty clear that the GOP is going for herd immunity, no matter how many die in the process.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:34:34pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

here’s a little mystery:

KyAG Daniel Jay Cameron got married on July 31. They are engagement party pictures of the couple and the internet rumor mill claims she is Mitch’s granddaughter.

The woman has no name. She is only referred to as “wife” anywhere you look (wiki page only lists his first wife, Elizabeth).

I have other things to do now that I wasted about half an hour on this.

Just a very curious thing.

Timing:
In September 2020, Cameron appeared on a shortlist of potential Supreme Court nominees by President Donald Trump.[30][31]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:36:18pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

Timing:
In September 2020, Cameron appeared on a shortlist of potential Supreme Court nominees by President Donald Trump.[30][31]

Mitch was at the wedding…

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:38:40pm

re: #95 lawhawk

I’d go all the way to 100%. And they’re most worried about white guys blowing this off.

Because if there’s one group that appears impervious to facts and logic and reality, it’s that group of privileged folks who think that everyone else having the same rights as they do somehow diminishes their rights (so they fight to deprive everyone else of their rights and screw themselves in the process as the rich white folks deprive everyone of their opportunities)

I was playing a bit of a math trick with the statement. It is totally 100%. .9999… with the nine repeated forever is mathematically 1. The proof lies in writing .999… as a fraction:

x = .9999…
10x = 9.99999…
Subract the first from the second:
9x = 9
x = 1

As for the privileged group, they cannot fathom that just because it’s not a problem for them doesn’t mean someone else has it as easy.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:41:41pm

re: #104 Belafon

I was playing a bit of a math trick with the statement. It is totally 100%. .9999… with the nine repeated forever is mathematically 1. The proof lies in writing .999… as a fraction:

x = .9999…
10x = 9.99999…
Subract the first from the second:
9x = 9
x = 1

As for the privileged group, they cannot fathom that just because it’s not a problem for them doesn’t mean someone else has it as easy.

No one said that there’d be math!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:42:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:44:35pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:44:59pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

“GOP apologizes to nation” will never happen. But the rest of that is something to work towards.

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stpaulbear  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:45:49pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

..Except for the “GOP apologizes to nation” sub-headline. more like GOP still mired in court battles.

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EPR-radar  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:46:08pm

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

Putin’s puppets in the US pretending to be against Putin’s puppets in other countries.

Ridiculous.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:46:09pm

re: #105 lawhawk

No one said that there’d be math!

As my kids will tell you, there’s always math.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:46:51pm

re: #110 EPR-radar

Putin’s puppets in the US pretending to be against Putin’s puppets in other countries.

Ridiculous.

They’re just against Putin’s puppets in other nations. Daddy should be paying attention to them.

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EPR-radar  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:47:03pm

re: #111 Belafon

As my kids will tell you, there’s always math.

New entry in the Bulwer-Lytton contest: “Let X be a separable Banach space.”

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:48:15pm

re: #96 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Teukka  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:48:59pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:50:55pm

re: #115 Teukka

Excellent rightwing trigger fodder :)

Jedi powers, you know

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Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:51:13pm

re: #114 DodgerFan1988

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:51:43pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:52:18pm

re: #114 DodgerFan1988

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:52:29pm
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A Mom Anon  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:52:40pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Was there a public engagement or wedding announcement?

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:53:26pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

here’s a little mystery:

KyAG Daniel Jay Cameron got married on July 31. They are engagement party pictures of the couple and the internet rumor mill claims she is Mitch’s granddaughter.

The woman has no name. She is only referred to as “wife” anywhere you look (wiki page only lists his first wife, Elizabeth).

I have other things to do now that I wasted about half an hour on this.

Just a very curious thing.

Extremely curious—many peeps have been searching for her name for weeks. No references I can find. And usually twitter sleuths (heh) are really good at that kind of stuff. Curiouser and curiouser.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:54:48pm

re: #121 A Mom Anon

Was there a public engagement or wedding announcement?

engagement party photos were on Cameron’s instagram account.
wedding was just news articles a few days after the wedding.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:55:40pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:55:49pm

Police in Louisville starting to confront protestors in order to initiate some violence for Fox News viewers.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:56:26pm

re: #117 Mike Lamb

Vigilante is also accepted.

Vigilante makes too many people think of Batman.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:56:34pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wondering if she could be IDd via her photos. I guess it depends on if there’s any others of her in family pics online.

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:57:11pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

engagement party photos were on Cameron’s instagram account.
wedding was just news articles a few days after the wedding.

Not even a first name anywhere. Wonder if they had a wedding registry. Hard to believe nobody has been able to come up with a name, as there are pics of her everywhere.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:58:32pm

Governor Beshear’s press conference is starting at 4pm.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:58:48pm

Because McConnell has brought this on himself, but what will his supporters think if a black man is allowed in his family?

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EPR-radar  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:59:46pm

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 12:59:53pm

re: #130 Belafon

Because McConnell has brought this on himself, but what will his supporters think if a black man is allowed in his family?

He is married to a Chinese woman.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:00:09pm

yeah some parts are vaguely NSFW but WTH

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danarchy  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:00:42pm

re: #127 A Mom Anon

Wondering if she could be IDd via her photos. I guess it depends on if there’s any others of her in family pics online.

Maybe she is just a private person and just wants to keep it that way because the internet is full of a-holes?

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A Mom Anon  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:01:03pm

re: #128 BeachDem

Aren’t marriage licenses a matter of public record?

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:01:32pm

re: #86 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yep, but I sure wouldn’t be lecturing black people about their voting turnout today, especially with the way the states work to prevent them from voting.

Just what about my post contains the lecturing of black people?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:01:45pm

re: #130 Belafon

Because McConnell has brought this on himself, but what will his supporters think if a black man is allowed in his family?

they let a rich chinese woman in.

also, Mitch’s daughters from his first marriage despise him

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:01:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:02:25pm

re: #134 danarchy

Maybe she is just a private person and just wants to keep it that way because the internet is full of a-holes?

LOL, too late

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:02:53pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah some parts are vaguely NSFW but WTH

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Since my bedroom is now my office, nothing is NSFW.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:03:46pm

re: #140 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Since my bedroom is now my office, nothing is NSFW.

that one dancer has glutes of iron

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:03:52pm

re: #132 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He is married to a Chinese woman.

As someone said to Chuck C. Johnson when he bragged about marrying an Asian woman, that’s about about the most white thing a person can do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:04:46pm
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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:05:55pm

re: #95 lawhawk

I’d go all the way to 100%. And they’re most worried about white guys blowing this off.

Because if there’s one group that appears impervious to facts and logic and reality, it’s that group of privileged folks who think that everyone else having the same rights as they do somehow diminishes their rights (so they fight to deprive everyone else of their rights and screw themselves in the process as the rich white folks deprive everyone of their opportunities)

Alas, no. Polls show DT has 5% support among African-Americans. 😳 Almost within he margin of error, but not quite.

That makes them more sane by far than any white cohort I know of.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:06:14pm

re: #136 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

Just what about my post contains the lecturing of black people?

Didn’t mean to imply you did. Beating Mitch would probably take a near 100% turnout rate by blacks, because Kentucky has a lot of poorly educated rural evangelical whites.

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gocart mozart  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:07:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:09:20pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:09:52pm
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ericblair  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:10:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:10:53pm
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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:12:57pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

In particular, they should identify how protecting the right of drywall was a greater concern than charging the officers of murdering Breonna Taylor who was doing nothing wrong except being a person of color.

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Jack Burton  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:13:32pm

re: #144 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

Alas, no. Polls show DT has 5% support among African-Americans. 😳 Almost within he margin of error, but not quite.

That makes them more sane by far than any white cohort I know of.

I wonder if you did that poll before the “veterans are losers” thing came out if that percent would be any higher. Every African American I know in the military (the ones I know are all Navy and Marines) that is enlisted or NCO supports Trump, manly because they hate Democrats so much they’d vote for Satan before voting blue. I’ve unfollowed most of the RWNJ friends of mine that I haven’t already blocked, so I haven’t seen if they changed their tune recently.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:13:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:14:13pm

Secretary of the Kentucky Justice and Public Safety Cabinet:

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:15:08pm

re: #119 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:15:21pm

re: #151 lawhawk

In particular, they should identify how protecting the right of drywall was a greater concern than charging the officers of murdering Breonna Taylor who was doing nothing wrong except being a person of color.

and castle doctrine in Kentucky only works for white people

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:15:45pm

re: #145 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Didn’t mean to imply you did. Beating Mitch would probably take a near 100% turnout rate by blacks, because Kentucky has a lot of poorly educated rural evangelical whites.

Well, Kentucky polls are fluctuating between “Mitch is dead” and “he’ll wipe the floor with her,” and hope springs eternal.

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gocart mozart  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:15:54pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:17:55pm

re: #158 gocart mozart

Eric Trump taking the 5th works for me, as long as it’s before the election.

Putting that side by side with daddy’s tweet that only crooks take the 5th will be most entertaining, and may help the cause.

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sagehen  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:18:51pm

re: #79 thecommodore

This is disquieting:

theatlantic.com

Especially since those “legislative majorities” come from extreme gerrymandering. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania both have D governors and Lt Govs, D’s got the majority of votes in the 2018 races… but “somehow”, both states’ legislatures and both states’ congressional delegations are majority R.

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Jack Burton  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:19:45pm

re: #151 lawhawk

In particular, they should identify how protecting the right of drywall was a greater concern than charging the officers of murdering Breonna Taylor who was doing nothing wrong except being a person of color.

I understand the anger but this “drywall” talking point is ridiculous and makes us look like clowns every time it’s mentioned.

Bullets went through the walls. Could have killed other people. Shooting wildly in that situation was asinine, even if the raid was legitimate and Taylor and BF were armed and firing back. If I was her neighbor and that happened I’d be trying to sue the city into oblivion right now.

The wanton endangerment charge against that guy is totally legit. The problem is it should have been the least of the charges, not the only one.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:21:44pm

re: #158 gocart mozart

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:21:54pm

re: #161 Jack Burton

I understand the anger but this “drywall” talking point is ridiculous and makes us look like clowns every time it’s mentioned.

Bullets went through the walls. Could have killed other people. Shooting wildly in that situation was asinine, even if the raid was legitimate and Taylor and BF were armed and firing back. If I was her neighbor and that happened I’d be trying to sue the city into oblivion right now.

The wanton endangerment charge against that guy is totally legit. The problem is it should have been the least of the charges, not the only one.

That’s the point of the quote. One person was charged with essentially shooting drywall while the elephant in the room (the shooting victim) is treated like they were not even there by the indictments.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:22:47pm

re: #160 sagehen

Especially since those “legislative majorities” come from extreme gerrymandering. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania both have D governors and Lt Govs, D’s got the majority of votes in the 2018 races… but “somehow”, both states’ legislatures and both states’ congressional delegations are majority R.

Which suggests that the margins might be too large for any failure to certify the election. And those dems took office without questions being asked.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:23:25pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:25:05pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

There it is again. He’s just basically saying at this point that he is going to contest the election no matter what.

This isn’t an “if” anymore, it’s a “when”.

He’s going to try and steal the Presidency.

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Jack Burton  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:26:10pm

re: #163 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

That’s the point of the quote. One person was charged with essentially shooting drywall while the elephant in the room (the shooting victim) is treated like they were not even there by the indictments.

Saying that the Grand Jury is protecting “the rights of drywall” instead of finding her neighbors could have been killed (but then gave no shits about her rights) isn’t making that point.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:26:34pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

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Of course no one mentions how a new justice should recuse themselves from such a case.

That thinking is so old school

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:27:21pm

re: #164 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

Which suggests that the margins might be too large for any failure to certify the election. And those dems took office without questions being asked.

What Trump is hoping for is that his voters turn up on election day while most Democrats cast mail in ballots, he then declares “victory” and goes to court to stop the count because “voter fraud”, and the Pa legislature then says “we have to appoint Trump electors to meet the deadline.” It would be a desperate ploy.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:28:02pm

re: #31 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Pennsylvania Republicans are openly discussing the appointment of Trump electors if Trump can tie up the vote count long enough. There is a 34% chance that Pa will be the tipping point state, according to fivethirtyeight.com.

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Yes, I noticed that previously of how Pennsylvania’s Radical Republicans in the legislature are hell bent on overriding the popular vote for President.

The last time this was done in Pennsylvania was 1800 when the Federalist Senate refused to allow people to directly vote for President and they split the Commonwealth’s electoral votes with the Republican State House.

“Thus was the vote of a state bargained away”… wrote Jefferson…

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EPR-radar  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:28:09pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

It was always clear that Trump has only one question for people he’s considering for this nomination: “What are you going to do for me in the election if I put you on the Supreme Court?”

Which is why I’m hoping for a big conflict between McConnell and Trump on the timing. There’s nothing in it for McConnell to have the vote on Trump’s schedule.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:29:24pm

re: #168 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Of course no one mentions how a new justice should recuse themselves from such a case.

That thinking is so old school

During the confirmation hearing she should be asked to recuse because Trump made it clear he was appointing her in order to steal the election.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:29:49pm

re: #167 Jack Burton

Saying that the Grand Jury is protecting “the rights of drywall” instead of finding her neighbors could have been killed (but then gave no shits about her rights) isn’t making that point.

Change “drywall” to “property”, OTOH…

Remember, property never dies, but can be damaged.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:31:31pm

re: #171 EPR-radar

It was always clear that Trump has only one question for people he’s considering for this nomination: “What are you going to do for me in the election if I put you on the Supreme Court?”

Which is why I’m hoping for a big conflict between McConnell and Trump on the timing. There’s nothing in it for McConnell to have the vote on Trump’s schedule.

There is, because with one tweet denouncing Yurtle, Trump can put his election campaign in peril.

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Interesting Times  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:31:37pm

re: #164 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

Which suggests that the margins might be too large for any failure to certify the election. And those dems took office without questions being asked.

For what it’s worth, here are the most applicable cliches for this situation:

1) Forewarned is forearmed
2) Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

And then there’s a new thought which I find myself coming back to more and more:

I don’t believe in hope and I don’t believe in hopelessness. I believe in compassion and pragmatism, in doing what is right for its own sake.

Keyword there for me is pragmatism - the difference between a doomsayer (or bad-faith troll deliberately trying to bring people down) and someone who’s genuinely on your side is that the latter will always look for pragmatic actions to take in the face of GOP StupidEvil®

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sagehen  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:35:12pm

re: #128 BeachDem

Not even a first name anywhere. Wonder if they had a wedding registry. Hard to believe nobody has been able to come up with a name, as there are pics of her everywhere.

Elizabeth, no middle name, no last name.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:35:48pm
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:37:09pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:37:47pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

What the actual fuck?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:38:07pm
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A Mom Anon  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:38:12pm

re: #176 sagehen

Elizabeth is his first wife’s name according to Wikipedia. They divorced in 2017.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:39:46pm

Booker lost to McGrath in the primary but, as the state representative for the Kentucky district that includes Louisville (and a decent person overall), he’s still staying involved.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:41:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:41:42pm

re: #163 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

That’s the point of the quote. One person was charged with essentially shooting drywall while the elephant in the room (the shooting victim) is treated like they were not even there by the indictments.

the neighbors’ “fear” (and their drywall) were more important than Breonna’s life (or her door for that matter).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:42:25pm

re: #167 Jack Burton

Saying that the Grand Jury is protecting “the rights of drywall” instead of finding her neighbors could have been killed (but then gave no shits about her rights) isn’t making that point.

Yes, it does.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:43:03pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not going to play the video at work, bu tthe still of the cop looking like he’s ready to fight that white guy just standing there with the Breonna Taylor poster should be shared.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:43:54pm

re: #173 Eric The Fruit Bat

Change “drywall” to “property”, OTOH…

Remember, property never dies, but can be damaged.

imagine if it had been a CORPORATION!!!

Heads would still be rolling!

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:44:16pm

re: #167 Jack Burton

Saying that the Grand Jury is protecting “the rights of drywall” instead of finding her neighbors could have been killed (but then gave no shits about her rights) isn’t making that point.

It’s exactly as frivolous as the charge itself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:47:00pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:47:33pm

Have any Trumporrhoids attempted to explain how to tell the difference between a legitimate absentee ballot and a fraudulent ballot other than ALL VOTES THAT ARE NOT FOR TRUMP ARE TEH FRAUD HOAX FAKE BALLETS!!!!!!

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Jay C  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:48:07pm

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

There is, because with one tweet denouncing Yurtle, Trump can put his election campaign in peril.

SRSLY? You think that - no matter what Trump tweets about McConnell - that Kentucky voters are going to get so pissed off that they’ll say home, or vote for the Democrat???
Nice thought, but nagonnahappen….

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Jack Burton  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:49:55pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

No it doesn’t.

HE WASN’T CHARGED WITH PROPERTY DAMAGE FFS!

No one is protecting property rights over the rights of people here.

They ignored a very serious crime and pursued a less serious, but still serious one that should have been among the charges regardless. That’s the issue. You all seem to be downplaying cops spraying bullets wildly inside an apartment complex without clearing it first. Trying to claim it’s “property damage” or “property rights” vs. Human rights is being grossly intellectually dishonest.

You can make the point that COPS are getting away with murder here, without going there. But you all did.

Jesus fucking Christ on crutch. I’m done with this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:50:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:51:17pm

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right…

here I am…

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:53:13pm

re: #176 sagehen

Elizabeth, no middle name, no last name.

Elizabeth is his first wife.

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Citizen K  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:54:43pm

This shit has long since ceased to be the ‘last gasp’ of these kinds of folks. This is them feeling emboldened. This is them feeling invincible and untouchable. This is them realizing they’re so protected and entrenched that they will never pay any consequence and therefore have decided to cut to the chase and tighten the noose.

This is them screaming at us ‘WE OWN THIS COUNTRY AND YOU NEED TO DIE’, and there may not be any actual way to prove them wrong at this point. They’re fucking winning because they really do seem to own all the fucking power.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:56:44pm

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dude looks like he uses the same barber as Mark Zuckerberg.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:58:21pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2020 • 1:59:55pm

re: #192 Jack Burton

No it doesn’t.

HE WASN’T CHARGED WITH PROPERTY DAMAGE FFS!

No one is protecting property rights over the rights of people here.

They ignored a very serious crime and pursued a less serious, but still serious one that should have been among the charges regardless. That’s the issue. You all seem to be downplaying cops spraying bullets wildly inside an apartment complex without clearing it first. Trying to claim it’s “property damage” or “property rights” vs. Human rights is being grossly intellectually dishonest.

You can make the point that COPS are getting away with murder here, without going there. But you all did.

Jesus fucking Christ on crutch. I’m done with this.

I agree. Their shooting was totally reckless; there have been many times when some innocent was killed because a bullet intended for someone else or for some other purpose went through a wall. This was indeed a justifiably charged offense; the problem is that Daniel Cameron made sure that it was the only offense and that more serious charges were not on the table.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:00:21pm

re: #192 Jack Burton

No it doesn’t.

HE WASN’T CHARGED WITH PROPERTY DAMAGE FFS!

No one is protecting property rights over the rights of people here.

They ignored a very serious crime and pursued a less serious, but still serious one that should have been among the charges regardless. That’s the issue. You all seem to be downplaying cops spraying bullets wildly inside an apartment complex without clearing it first. Trying to claim it’s “property damage” or “property rights” vs. Human rights is being grossly intellectually dishonest.

You can make the point that COPS are getting away with murder here, without going there. But you all did.

Jesus fucking Christ on crutch. I’m done with this.

He got charged with one of the lowest levels of felony. The grand jury said that theoretical danger to some other person is the only thing that we can do, even though an actual person fucking died in the same ‘wanton’ disregard for human life as to the neighbors. That is fucking absurd, and using additional absurdity simply underscores the point.

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stpaulbear  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:04:35pm

re: #196 Citizen K

The intro to Chapter 6 of Timothy Snyder’s “On Tyranny” published 2017:

Be wary of paramilitaries.

When the men with guns who have always claimed to be against the system start wearing uniforms and marching with torches and pictures of a leader, the end is nigh. When the pro-leader paramilitary and the official police and military intermingle, the end has come.

I bought this book a year or so ago but just started reading it this week. It’s a small book with “twenty lessons from the 20th century, adapted to the circumstances of today”. It’s unsettling.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:05:39pm

I am old enough now that I can refuse to be fucking “fair” when the facts are complete manufactured bullshit.

So go ahead and call me a clown for calling it drywall excuses.

Call me Pennywise for alI I fucking care anymore.

I am a Kentucky native (something that Mitch and Rand CAN’T claim) and when my state is WRONG (which it often is) I will say so.

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Citizen K  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:05:52pm

re: #201 stpaulbear

The intro to Chapter 6 of Timothy Snyder’s “On Tyranny” published 2017:

I bought this book a year or so ago but just started reading it this week. It’s a small book with “twenty lessons from the 20th century, adapted to the circumstances of today”. It’s unsettling.

In other words, we may just be too late. Comforting thought.

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bratwurst  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:06:34pm

As a great American hero once said: “what’s sauce for the goose is now sauce for the gander.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:06:47pm

re: #196 Citizen K

That’s from a few weeks ago but it matters not. They’re clearly supported by law enforcement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:06:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:08:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:10:22pm

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:11:15pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

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heh

welcome to Kentucky where the Bill of Rights only apply to drywall and fearful neighbors

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:12:16pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

welcome to Kentucky where the Bill of Rights only apply to drywall and fearful neighbors

and white people

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:13:13pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sorry — voters who don’t care that Trump’s negligence has killed 200,000+ Americans certainly don’t care that he has committed tax fraud. They love his racism and misogyny and his support for a theocracy and putting immigrant children in cages. They are fine with fraud and money laundering, unless the criminal is a Democrat; then they object.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:13:39pm
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stpaulbear  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:15:57pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because Shut Up that’s why.

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Citizen K  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:17:02pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Because it presumes that Breonna Taylor was a human being, which the law clearly believes she wasn’t.

No, no snark tags on that. That seems to be literally what the law is saying.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:17:09pm

re: #213 stpaulbear

Because Shut Up that’s why.

I was going to go with “Fuck you” but this works too.

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(((Archangel1)))  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:18:44pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

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There’s nothing remotely new to this.
It’s an age-old bit of no-longer-news that Sarah Netanyahu, Bibi’s clearly-not-in-any-way-psychotic wife (whose habits include screaming at the hired help, throwing objects at hired help, abusing the husband, hitting the husband with shoes, repeatedly screaming “I have a B.A.! I have an M.A!!!!1” to reporters and random folks while on record, and more), insists on doing this whenever the PM’s family flies abroad on official business.
There are those who claim she has a serious obsession with money (owing to her childhood growing up in a poor household). She goes out of her way to save the family’s money in any way possible, regardless of how far-fetched, and this was looked into in 2018 after it was revealed she’d been doing it for years, as a means of saving a tens of thousands in cleaning fees (dry cleaning is costly in Israel) at the taxpayer’s expense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:26:38pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:29:05pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, that’s the OFFICIAL White House account.

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gocart mozart  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:29:09pm

Today in insurance fraud

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Citizen K  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:30:45pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s the exact same bullshit they’ve so successfully done with “old media”: accuse them of bias, abuse assumptions of good faith, leverage sympathetic folks into power so they infinitely privilege your voice and philosophy, then repeat ad nauseam so the folks you leveraged into influence have even more justification to drag things infinitely rightward.

And it works because no matter what happens in this country, the “Dems” or the “libs” are always really to blame and therefore will never be trusted with anything but a kick in the dick.

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:31:54pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:31:57pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC, that’s the OFFICIAL White House account.

Isn’t America so great?

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:33:01pm
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Citizen K  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:34:29pm

Fascism in full bloom, because no one can stop them. This is what invincibility looks like.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:43:42pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m not tolerant of Nazis myself.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:45:59pm

re: #226 Belafon

I’m not tolerant of Nazis myself.

Well then, how dare you lecture them on tolerance.

/

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:48:50pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:49:50pm

My wife and I got back from Denver early this morning.

Two new keys for the Smart, plus four wheel covers and the windshield cowling to replace the broken parts from the summer’s two massive hailstorms.

The car also got it’s 100,000 mile checkup (it gets checked more frequently than what the book calls for due to the rural area and dirt roads we drive it on).

(2:27)

Melanie - Brand New Key (Audio)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:49:52pm

re: #228 Dread Pirate Ron

The “price of admission” for Russia to secure the deal with the United States will go up if the Kremlin doesn’t agree to terms before the U.S. presidential election

I believe this is called Extortion.

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:50:33pm

re: #225 Citizen K

This is why we need to arm ourselves now, before they make being a “known leftist ” a disqualifier like being a felon. There is violence coming. The only question anymore
is if it’s mild like Bleeding Kansas or full out Civil War and social cleansing like the breakup of Yugoslavia.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:52:09pm

re: #225 Citizen K

Hey, look, white people, it’s the 1950s again, but you get to participate.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:53:25pm

re: #231 William Lewis

This is why we need to arm ourselves now, before they make being a “known leftist ” a disqualifier like being a felon. There is violence coming. The only question anymore
is if it’s mild like Bleeding Kansas or full out Civil War and social cleansing like the breakup of Yugoslavia.

And then there are people like me who will be caught in the middle - a liberal living in a conservative area, unwilling to own a gun for personal safety reasons, slow on the uptake and naturally isolated even before coronavirus laid waste to our interpersonal communications.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:54:19pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:54:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:55:44pm

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg


The “price of admission” for Russia to secure the deal with the United States will go up if the Kremlin doesn’t agree to terms before the U.S. presidential election

I believe this is called Extortion.

“quid pro quo”

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:56:16pm

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg


The “price of admission” for Russia to secure the deal with the United States will go up if the Kremlin doesn’t agree to terms before the U.S. presidential election

I believe this is called Extortion.

a language the Russians understand, unfortunately.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:56:35pm

re: #233 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And then there are people like me who will be caught in the middle - a liberal living in a conservative area, unwilling to own a gun for personal safety reasons, slow on the uptake and naturally isolated even before coronavirus laid waste to our interpersonal communications.

And people like me also caught in the middle - a liberal living in a conservative area who owns a shotgun and everyone here knows it, but hopelessly outnumbered.

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Citizen K  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:58:26pm

re: #235 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

False political rhetoric about abortion care belittles & misrepresents the real-life experiences of women.

Which is exactly why they’re doing it. It’s a sign that you’re a second-class citizen, and wholly owned because “Fuck you, we are permanent and forever, and you exist only for us to grind under our boot to demonstrate our utter and eternal superiority”.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 23, 2020 • 2:58:59pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:01:09pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“Your too stupid for this job.”

Awesome self own there, buddy.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:02:11pm

re: #241 Eclectic Cyborg

“Your too stupid for this job.”

Awesome self own there, buddy.

They do that intentionally now, to trigger the libs. And the grammar Nazis. Which are, apparently, the only kind of Nazi it’s okay to trigger.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:02:35pm

re: #234 DodgerFan1988

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I’d be running them over

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:03:03pm

Meanwhile, in the town on the opposite side of my county:

The last place most students — as well as some adults — want to be on a Monday evening is a board room going over budgets, discussing contracts and arguing about the finer minutiae of education policy. But that’s exactly where high school Freshman Nathaniel Barker and Junior Madison Oliverius plan to be.

The two high school students were appointed to Bayard Public Schools’ Board of Education this month, with Barker serving for the remainder of the fall semester and Oliverius taking over in the spring.

“(Our role is) to give perspective from the student side because the adults don’t always know what’s going on here,” Oliverius said.

Barker and Oliverius said they wanted to join the board because they had a curiosity about school administration. They also expressed a sense of civic duty for their school and their fellow students.

(more)

Bayard youth act as a voice for fellow students before school board (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:03:04pm
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(((Archangel1)))  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:03:41pm
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dangerman  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:04:59pm

i pulled these out to roll my aching calf muscles

mrs dm walked by and said what I know you all thought:
“Danger, there’s covid on the couch”

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:09:16pm
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Belafon  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:09:45pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:09:58pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:10:17pm

re: #248 Belafon

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Most of those 30% will be Republicans, who are undoubtedly sure Trump will win in a landslide and/or will declare victory and end voting on election night.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:12:29pm
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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:13:37pm

Heh

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:18:01pm

re: #248 Belafon

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the realization should be that we have never known who won on election night.

the AP and the rest of the media are guessing. nothing more.
because they so rarely got it wrong, we just all always assumed the media got it right.

dewey/truman and bush/gore/florida are two obvious examples.

it doesnt matter that the voting dynamics - early/mail in/day of are different this year. the rules are (basically) the same as always. In each state, votes get counted according to a schedule.

the winner of each state is who the appropriate party in each state says is the winner.
that timetable / announcement is governed by state law.
it isn’t and has never been ‘election night’

p.s. unless it’s totally obvious by, you know, actual math, until enough ballots are counted, no one knows who is going to prevail anywhere. So horse racing based on the order ballots are counted is an idiots game.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:20:51pm

The Associated Press correctly reported what happened in Louisville today:

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:24:24pm

re: #247 dangerman

i pulled these out to roll my aching calf muscles

mrs dm walked by and said what I know you all thought:
“Danger, there’s covid on the couch”

[Embedded content]

I immediately thought Dog Toys.

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KGxvi  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:24:27pm

re: #249 Belafon

The 100m non-voters is interesting. I wonder how they are distributed across the country and to what extent the electoral college serves to depress their vote. So, for example, in California we had 75% turnout of registered voters in 2016. In real numbers that’s about 4.8m registered voters who didn’t vote for president. The difference between Clinton and Trump was 4.3m (with another 944k going to third party nominees and write ins). So, Trump would have to win something like 92% of the non-voters to have pulled out a super close win in California. I wouldn’t be surprised to see similar numbers in other safe states. And now I’m also wondering what the turnout numbers in swing states look like.

Also, this is all just another reason to do away with the electoral college.

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KGxvi  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:26:21pm

re: #254 dangerman

It’s also worth adding: election night isn’t even the real election for president. It’s a proxy election as the faithless electors of 2016 reminded us.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:28:06pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:28:56pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

Insert “this is fine” dog meme here.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:31:17pm

Young Republicans doing what they do best: Being jerks.

Republican Rep. Don Bacon and Democratic challenger Kara Eastman are set to debate at least five times between Oct. 7 and Oct. 18.

But the two candidates in the Omaha-based District 2 House race have spent days exchanging barbs on Twitter about the details of those debates, including the number, the timing and whether it’s safe for crowds to attend.

On Wednesday, more than a dozen Omaha Young Republicans took the debate about debates to the streets, protesting outside Eastman’s main campaign office.

Their signs repeated Bacon’s tweeted criticism that Eastman should “honor her word” and stop trying to change who can be in the audience for debates. They say her coronavirus concerns were present when she agreed to the debate schedule this summer.

“Cowardly Comrade Kara is using COVID as a convenient cover to avoid a live debate performance,” Nebraska GOP Executive Director Ryan Hamilton said.

(more)

Bacon, Eastman tussle over 2nd District House debates (Omaha World-Herald)

State polling indicates the NE-2 House race is a toss-up

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:32:22pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:32:29pm

re: #261 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Fucking idiots. You can do a “live debate performance” WITHOUT a live audience.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:34:00pm

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking idiots. You can do a “live debate performance” WITHOUT a live audience.

Rep. Don Bacon also delayed agreeing to debates until after mail ballots are mailed out.

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mmmirele  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:37:10pm

Here’s today’s Florida Man story:

Doctor at ‘mask optional’ clinic in Melbourne dies; tests positive for coronavirus post-mortem

Patients intending to go to the Eau Gallie Medical Center in Melbourne this week have been met with a grim note at the door since Monday.

“Dr. John J. Magri IV passed away on the morning of Wednesday September 16, 2020,” it begins. “For the privacy of his family, patient’s (sic) and loved ones, the cause of death is unknown at this time.”

For former patients and neighbors the feeling has been one of shock and disbelief — and concern upon learning Magri tested positive for coronavirus after his death.

*snip*

Magri, 59, was infected with the novel coronavirus when he died at home last week; a positive test result was confirmed by the Brevard County medical examiner’s office post-mortem.

And yeah, the clinic was truly mask-optional:

Patient Amanda WIlliams of Indialantic noted in an email to FLORIDA TODAY she didn’t see anyone wearing masks among the staff and did not notice any coronavirus signage posted when she visited with her daughter Sept. 12 — four days before Magri’s death.

“I felt very uneasy, but chose to stay in hopes that we would be in and out quickly. Once we were called back into the patient room, Dr. Magri introduced himself, without a mask and offered to shake my hand,” she wrote.

Williams said she found out through a mutual friend that Magri had died and had tested positive for the virus post-mortem. She said she is concerned she has not been contacted by coronavirus contact tracers from the Department of Health.

“My concern is community spread and the time it is taking to be notified by a contact tracer or office personnel from the Eau Gallie Medical Center,” she said. “Our family has been tested and are self quarantining since Sept. 18, when we received the news that some of the staff had tested positive. We will continue to self quarantine until we hear the results of our tests.”

floridatoday.com

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:37:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:38:37pm

Fullerton schools closed due to COVID-19 exposure (Kearney, Nebr. Hub)

TL;DR version: Conservatives will continue to sacrifice your children on the altar of their religious faith of Conservatism, as many children as it takes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:41:06pm

re: #265 mmmirele

That story would be aggravating enough, but the fact it was a DOCTOR flouting health guidelines is just…there are not enough eyerolls.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:42:43pm

re: #266 jaunte

There will be an election. If he doesn’t win it, his term ends at noon on January 20, 2021. At that point the Secret Service and Federal Marshals can forcibly remove him if he refuses to go.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 23, 2020 • 3:48:22pm

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

So the cycle continues.

There will be more George Floyds, more Breonna Taylors, more Travyon Martins, more Tamir Rices, more Michael Browns and more Eric Garners.

And the fear of every black person in America is: “Am I gonna be the next one?”

This is true, and it breaks my heart into a million pieces.


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