Stephen Colbert After the First Trump-Biden Debate: “The Hollow Husk Once Known as Chris Wallace”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:20:21am

GOTV and make sure it counts!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:21:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:24:16am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

New: Commission on Presidential Debates says “last night’s debate made clear that additional structure should be added to the format of the remaining debates to ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues.”

Translated: Put Trump in a 6 x 4’ playpen with bars.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:25:31am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:25:33am

Near the end of the last thread, I pointed out that RASMUSSEN has Biden +8 before last night’s shit show.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:25:44am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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Chris Wallace’s “professionalism and skill”? He was a damn doormat! My cat would be a better moderator!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:25:55am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

That’s a nice, professional way of saying: “We had no idea Trump was going to be that fucking crazy.”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:26:13am

re: #5 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Near the end of the last thread, I pointed out that RASMUSSEN has Biden +8 before last night’s shit show.

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Teukka  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:29:16am

Comic relief:

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stpaulbear  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:31:33am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson
@Green_Footballs
Trump said, “Don’t ever use the word ‘smart’ with me.”

I think that just using that quote as-is is a goldmine for Biden’s ads.

“We will never use the word ‘smart’ when talking about Donald Trump”.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:31:45am
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sagehen  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:33:01am
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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:40:05am

“Trump Campaign Erases Brad Parscale From Website”

Cancel culture

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:40:54am
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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:43:08am

Who was more composed?
Brad on his front lawn or trump last night.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:44:39am

re: #14 Dread Pirate Ron

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They’re at the stage where they’re hearing water flooding in, they can see the sea level rising around them, but they’re not quite sure if it’s time to abandon ship just yet.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:46:53am
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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:49:35am
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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:50:10am

re: #16 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They’re at the stage where they’re hearing water flooding in, they can see the sea level rising around them, but they’re not quite sure if it’s time to abandon ship just yet.

They’re like Beni from the Mummy: They tomb is collapsing, and they’re trying to see how much gold they get can get.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:51:30am
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stpaulbear  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:52:12am

re: #15 dangerman

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Who was more composed?
Brad on his front lawn or trump last night.

Unlike Trump, Brad may actually realize that things didn’t go well for him.

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EPR-radar  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:52:15am

re: #13 dangerman

“Trump Campaign Erases Brad Parscale From Website”

Cancel culture

A 21st century version of Soviet airbrushing of photographs of unpersons.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:52:20am

Just thinking about ICE going out to harrass minorities in blue areas, and I wonder if it would be a good idea for Democrats to do a buddy voting system, pair a white Democrat with someone else to go to the polls.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:55:01am

re: #20 dangerman

Sources confirm this gentleman is the new liaison to the Trump WH from the US Agency for Global Media. (First reported by NJ Globe)

Here’s one of many earlier headlines he has inspired:

Patterson Once Said Using Condoms “Robs A Woman” Of Good Semen

Every Sperm is Sacred
Every Sperm is Great
If a Sperm is Wasted
God Gets Quite Irate

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:55:47am

re: #13 dangerman

“Trump Campaign Erases Brad Parscale From Website”

Cancel culture

Just Parscaling down

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Citizen K  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:56:03am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:56:15am

re: #20 dangerman

They’ve now scraped THROUGH the bottom of the barrel and are picking away at the dirt below.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:56:44am

re: #26 Citizen K

Oh yes, please. I’d LOVE to see Trump get pissed as they cut him off repeatedly.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:58:27am

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh yes, please. I’d LOVE to see Trump get pissed as they cut him off repeatedly.

He’s not going to do another debate. The bluster is all he has. He can’t allow Biden to talk to the American people without his overlord bullshit.

Trump will back out.

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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:59:06am

re: #12 sagehen

There’s a reason that the FBI noted the infiltration of white nationalist groups into various law enforcement organizations around the nation…

Because it’s an admission of what we’ve long known. Racist cops are racist, and they’re banding together to act above the law and act as judge, jury, and executioner when they encounter persons of color.

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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:59:46am

re: #29 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

He’s not going to do another debate. The bluster is all he has. He can’t allow Biden to talk to the American people without his overlord bullshit.

Trump will back out.

Trump backing out would be the death knell of his campaign. He’d be seen as a weakling and coward for not facing Biden again.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:00:49am

re: #31 lawhawk

True, but his voters won’t care, and that’s all that matters. He’ll just scream something about how unfair it is.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:01:06am
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:01:23am

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh yes, please. I’d LOVE to see Trump get pissed as they cut him off repeatedly.

I would think it should be mic off if it is not your turn to answer a question. It would apply to both parties, so no claim of bias or favoritism. Then Biden can get his message through without the screeching interruptions from shitstain, and shitstain can ramble like himself when it is his turn.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:01:48am

re: #19 Belafon

They’re like Beni from the Mummy: They tomb is collapsing, and they’re trying to see how much gold they get can get.

Upding for Kevin O’Connor. He’s a solid character actor.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:02:06am

re: #32 Ace Rothstein

True, but his voters won’t care, and that’s all that matters. He’ll just scream something about how unfair it is.

Trump won’t win unless he convinces Biden supporters and what few undecideds there are that he should be president again. He won’t get that by refusing to do the rest of the debates.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:02:49am

I have no doubt that Trump believes he did a tremendous job last night.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:04:28am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:04:29am

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #29 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

If the moderator can cut off his mic, Trump will back out.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:04:45am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

I have no doubt that Trump believes he did a tremendous job last night.

And his handlers will no doubt ensure that he continues to think that way.

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JC1  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:06:08am

re: #20 dangerman

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Maybe he’s just a Liz Phair fan…

Link

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:06:36am

re: #20 dangerman

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WHISKEY
TANGO
FOXTROT

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:07:07am

Good, they’re considering the shock collar idea.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:07:48am

re: #25 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just Parscaling down

+1

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:08:56am

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh yes, please. I’d LOVE to see Trump get pissed as they cut him off repeatedly.

Hell never agreed to it

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:09:13am
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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:11:07am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

I have no doubt that Trump believes he did a tremendous job last night.

He gave himself an A+ for sure

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:11:12am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

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The message was deliberately ambiguous so as to enable him to try to wiggle out of it if someone caught it, called him out on it, and there was no appreciable support for him saying it.

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:11:27am

re: #12 sagehen

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This is because the purpose of American police, and indeed the American criminal and legal systems, is to enforce white supremacy.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:12:36am

re: #48 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In fact, I’m betting that line was slipped in by his handlers as part of his “debate prep” as far as suggesting what to say if someone asked him about his white supremacist followers.

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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:13:18am

👀

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:13:48am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

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Trump supporters: he’s plain spoken and means what he says
Staff, daily:. That’s not what he meant

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:14:42am

Incels will not deter us.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:15:30am

re: #51 lawhawk

@gregpinelo
And note, this poll was conducted Sept 23-27, so it doesn’t even reflect the tax revelations, let alone last night’s Trump meltdown.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:15:56am

Tweet I was going to post disappeared

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:18:33am

re: #51 lawhawk

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👀

That’s close enough for actual enthusiasm to make a difference.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:18:44am

re: #51 lawhawk

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Very bad news for Lindsey.

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b.d. (Enough!)  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:19:37am

re: #51 lawhawk

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👀

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:19:45am

re: #51 lawhawk

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👀

Wow. Didn’t see that coming.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:20:05am

re: #58 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

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Yep it’s finally coming back to bite them.

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BeachDem  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:20:12am

re: #22 EPR-radar

A 21st century version of Soviet airbrushing of photographs of unpersons.

“The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth.”—1984

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:21:06am

If you’re a Republican President and you have to fight for votes in the SOUTH, you’re doing something really wrong.

Or you just plain suck at life.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:21:25am
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gocart mozart  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:21:32am
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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:21:54am

University of North Carolina reported their first student covid19 death overnight. Student started feeling sick at beginning of month, and succumbed overnight. He was in good health before getting sick.

Chad Dorrill, a 19-year student at Appalachian State University who lived off campus in Boone and took all of his classes online, died on Monday due to coronavirus complications, officials said.

Dorrill was a sophomore at Appalachian majoring in exercise science. He also was an all-conference basketball player at Ledford High School in Thomasville.

“Any loss of life is a tragedy, but the grief cuts especially deep as we mourn a young man who had so much life ahead,” said a statement from Peter Hans, chancellor of the system overseeing the state’s 16 public colleges and universities. “I ache for the profound sadness that Chad Dorrill’s family is enduring right now. My heart goes out to the entire Appalachian State community.”

The university reported a new high of 159 current COVID-19 cases among students on Tuesday. Nearly 550 students have tested positive for the virus since in-person classes resumed last month. Appalachian remains open for in-person instruction.

Sports teams are again dealing with cases and suspected cases. Oakland Raiders players may have violated league and local rules on masking when doing an event.

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Jay C  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:21:58am

re: #47 dangerman

He gave himself an A+ for sure

With a Sharpie, no doubt….

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gocart mozart  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:25:49am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:28:37am

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

If you’re a Republican President and you have to fight for votes in the SOUTH, you’re doing some really wrong.

Or you just plain suck at life.

The man BANKRUPTED a CASINO. The house always wins - how hard is that?!

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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:34:57am

re: #68 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The man BANKRUPTED a CASINO. The house always wins - how hard is that?!

6 times. He bankrupted casinos SIX FUCKING TIMES.

He overpaid/overspent on the casinos, and made such awful deals that he went bankrupt SIX FUCKING TIMES. But he was “shrewd” enough to stick the bill with others so he could avoid the consequences.

Yet millions of know nothings think he’s a great businessman.

He’s great if you want to be a millionaire. Give him a billion dollars and it’ll become a million bucks before you know it.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:36:09am

re: #26 Citizen K

Damning with faint praise…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:40:12am

re: #58 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

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Senate polls posted today have Harrison and Graham tied, and Bollier +2 in Kansas. If Democrats can win in states like these, they could win a healthy Senate majority.

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piratedan  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:47:12am

re: #71 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Gross is in a statistical tie in Alaska against Sullivan, Greenfield is showing as polling ahead of Ernst in Iowa… If we see Hegar and Espy closing in Texas and Mississippi (and they are from the polls trending that I have observed) it could be rather uphill for the GOP.

Trump is an anchor and each time he shows just how unfit he is for office, people get the tangible reminder that their current GOP Senator has rubber stamped every damn thing he’s done. I’m waiting for the new ads coming out tying each and every one of these cowards to him and let them state how while they support a corrupt racist in office, they’re not like that at all… To be fair, I’m surprised that we’re not seeing them already. Maybe everyone was afraid regarding what Trump (and the Russians) may pull outta their ass but I’m not sure that there’s much in their collective intestinal tracts than shit….

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:47:56am

It’s probably going to take a couple days for the polling to show the impact of last night’s Joe Vs. The Asshole.

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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:49:47am

Proud Boys are the fuckers who attack protesters. They’re the ones who enabled right wing domestic terrorists who drive through crowds across the nation.

Check that. Trump’s the one who does all that enabling. Now, of course, he’s equating goddamned white supremacists and fucking Nazis with the people protesting against them.

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BeachDem  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:50:16am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

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Why does anyone give that walking potato a minute of airtime?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:51:58am
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:53:02am

re: #75 BeachDem

Why does anyone give that walking potato a minute of airtime?

Mr. Potato Head said, “Please have mercy on me! I hate Trump’s guts, too!”

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Jay C  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:55:50am

re: #72 piratedan

Gross is in a statistical tie in Alaska against Sullivan, Greenfield is showing as polling ahead of Ernst in Iowa… If we see Hegar and Espy closing in Texas and Mississippi (and they are from the polls trending that I have observed) it could be rather uphill for the GOP.

I wouldn’t count on TX or MS, pleasant thoughts as pickups there might be: but NC, IA and (?MT? ?AK? ?KS?) might be the flips needed to take control of the Senate in the 117th Congress.
So far the only “gimmes” seem to be ME, CO, and AZ (with AL a D-to-R flip, sadly): so a 51-49 R advantage - which means they can only afford to lose 1 more seat to avoid a tied chamber, and only two to avoid Minority status. VERY doable.

ADD: not to want to jinx anything, but most polling seems to show Thom Tillis in NC heading towards retirement, so maybe 50-50 worst case?

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:56:33am

re: #74 lawhawk

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Proud Boys are the fuckers who attack protesters. They’re the ones who enabled right wing domestic terrorists who drive through crowds across the nation.

Check that. Trump’s the one who does all that enabling. Now, of course, he’s equating goddamned white supremacists and fucking Nazis with the people protesting against them.

Oh there was the time those assholes decided to start an incident in the Los Feliz section of Los Angeles.

They didn’t count on DSA and a whole bunch of progressive activists showing up to challenge them. And when they tried to start an incident we shut those wimps down and they ran away.

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piratedan  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:00:35pm

re: #78 Jay C

In NC, Cunningham has been consistently ahead of Tillis, so I think we’re looking at 50-50 as a baseline atm… and with Trump “performing” so well, I would absolutely suggest that IA and KS and AK are in play, and close behind that is MT and SC. I’m not gonna say that the Dems will win them all, but the revulsion that seemed to follow this debate, could start showing a repudiation of all things GOP, the days where people split their tickets may not be gone, but with the GOP demanding “loyalty” from the top down, they may see a rejection from the top down reflected in the national vote.

I have no problem being cautious, but I also don’t want to deny optimism when the trends are showing it.

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b.d. (Enough!)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:00:38pm

There is a zero percent chance Trump doesn’t know who the Proud Boys are.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:01:52pm

re: #81 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

There is a zero percent chance Trump doesn’t know who the Proud Boys are.

His every word is a lie so it is certain he knows them.

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KGxvi  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:02:13pm

re: #78 Jay C

I wouldn’t count on TX or MS, pleasant thoughts as pickups there might be: but NC, IA and (?MT? ?AK? ?KS?) might be the flips needed to take control of the Senate in the 117th Congress.
So far the only “gimmes” seem to be ME, CO, and AZ (with AL a D-to-R flip, sadly): so a 51-49 R advantage - which means they can only afford to lose 1 more seat to avoid a tied chamber, and only two to avoid Minority status. VERY doable.

I like the chart that wikipedia has that shows all the tracking/prediction sites and their projections for the seats.

Right now they all have Iowa as a toss up. Alabama and Colorado as flips (so a wash). Only RCP has Arizona as a toss up (everyone else has it as a flip). Maine is about half and half toss up/flip. Same with North Carolina.

The Georgia regular election and Montana are both about half/half toss up or GOP hold. South Carolina is moving closer to being a toss up (RCP already as it there). Same with Alaska.

Lot of Republican seats seem less safe than they probably figured they would be even a year ago.

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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:04:05pm

re: #83 KGxvi

I like the chart that wikipedia has that shows all the tracking/prediction sites and their projections for the seats.

Right now they all have Iowa as a toss up. Alabama and Colorado as flips (so a wash). Only RCP has Arizona as a toss up (everyone else has it as a flip). Maine is about half and half toss up/flip. Same with North Carolina.

The Georgia regular election and Montana are both about half/half toss up or GOP hold. South Carolina is moving closer to being a toss up (RCP already as it there). Same with Alaska.

Lot of Republican seats seem less safe than they probably figured they would be even a year ago.

Trump’s coattails.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:06:17pm

I wonder if anyone in the WH has dared to tell Trump the truth about how awful his tantrum was?

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KGxvi  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:06:20pm

The one thing that pisses me off is that Tom fucking Cotton is running effectively unopposed.

Yes, there’s a Libertarian nominee, but the Democratic nominee apparently dropped out of the race too late to be replaced… which just, fuck all.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:07:55pm

re: #86 KGxvi

The one thing that pisses me off is that Tom fucking Cotton is running effectively unopposed.

Yes, there’s a Libertarian nominee, but the Democratic nominee apparently dropped out of the race too late to be replaced… which just, fuck all.

I imagine the D bench is pretty thin in Arkansas.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:08:16pm

re: #85 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I wonder if anyone in the WH has dared to tell Trump the truth about how awful his tantrum was?

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And presumably, that’s before some of the sound bites have had time to filter through social media and register in the collective consciousness.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:10:06pm

re: #87 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I imagine the D bench is pretty thin in Arkansas.

To my surprise, I saw that one of the districts looks pretty competitive for Congress. But yeah I couldn’t tell you an Arkansas Democrat.

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Jay C  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:10:18pm

re: #83 KGxvi

Lot of Republican seats seem less safe than they probably figured they would be even a year ago.

This.
And I agree with piratedan @ #80: I think a 50-50 Senate is going to be the worst-case scenario in the 117th - though I’m thinking it may probably end up 53-47, with luck.
And I really hope so, because a 50-50 chamber is still going to give Mitch McConnell too much power to mess with the Senate’s organization, committees, etc.: IMO, allowing Moscow Mitch ANY power is too much, so every extra seat is going to count.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:11:58pm

Here we go! I have since deleted this person from not just FB but real life as well.

And no. They aren’t privy to any kind of “secret” information.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:12:44pm

re: #90 Jay C

This.
And I agree with piratedan @ #80: I think a 50-50 Senate is going to be the worst-case scenario in the 117th - though I’m thinking it may probably end up 53-47, with luck.
And I really hope so, because a 50-50 chamber is still going to give Mitch McConnell too much power to mess with the Senate’s organization, committees, etc.: IMO, allowing Moscow Mitch ANY power is too much, so every extra seat is going to count.

53-47 also also allows for some breathing room. I’d rather not have to rely on Manchin to be the deciding vote on key legislation. I think 53-47 is doable though. Gonna have to hold it in the midterms though and not lose the House again. Fortunately, I think we’ve learned some lessons since 2010 and 14 and Biden unlike Obama doesn’t have a young base that will take things for granted. Obviously the odds will be against the Dems gaining seats in the midterms but we can limit damage.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:15:26pm

re: #91 GlutenFreeJesus

Here we go! I have since deleted this person from not just FB but real life as well.

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What… the fuck.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:16:36pm

re: #93 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What… the fuck.

Tell me about it. Biden wears Beau’s Rosary beads. That’s what they think is a wire.

wsj.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:16:38pm

re: #93 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What… the fuck.

This. I got nothing…

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:17:10pm

re: #91 GlutenFreeJesus

Here we go! I have since deleted this person from not just FB but real life as well.

And no. They aren’t privy to any kind of “secret” information.

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So, you should be able to see the contact lenses. And anyway, having a contact lense as a display means there’s only a really tiny area that can be written on.

But I am curious what they are pointing at.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:17:24pm

re: #91 GlutenFreeJesus

Here we go! I have since deleted this person from not just FB but real life as well.

And no. They aren’t privy to any kind of “secret” information.

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I swear stupid conspiracy shit is going to be the death of us all.

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BeachDem  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:18:21pm

re: #77 🌹UOJB!

Mr. Potato Head said, “Please have mercy on me! I hate Trump’s guts, too!”

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At least the fuller beard hides more of his face.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:19:27pm

re: #98 BeachDem

At least the fuller beard hides more of his face.

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That’s one round melon

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:21:27pm

re: #99 Eventual Carrion

That’s one round melon

And he still stiffs AJ Delgado out of her child support payments…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:21:58pm

re: #100 🌹UOJB!

And he still stiffs AJ Delgado out of her child support payments…

It’s the Republican way.

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Jay C  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:22:19pm

re: #89 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

To my surprise, I saw that one of the districts looks pretty competitive for Congress. But yeah I couldn’t tell you an Arkansas Democrat.

I’m surprised, too: AFAICT, Arkansas is a one-party state: if not quite on a Cuba or North Korea-level, then close. Republicans hold both Senate seats, all four Congressional seats, 26/35 State Senate seats and 76/100 in the Assembly. And probably most, if not all, Executive-Branch positions as well.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:23:25pm

re: #39 Dr Lizardo

If the moderator can cut off his mic, Trump will back out.

💯

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:24:30pm

re: #102 Jay C

I’m surprised, too: AFAICT, Arkansas is a one-party state: if not quite a Cuba or North Korea-level, then close. Republicans hold both Senate seats, all four Congressional seats, 26/35 State Senate seats and 76/100 in the Assembly. And probably most, if not all, Executive-Branch positions as well.

Damn, I didn’t realize how Republican it became. Hopefully there’s a Doug Jones type there.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:25:41pm

re: #96 Belafon

They think it’s the controller. Lol

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:26:50pm

It is interesting how states change and how other states seemingly will always be swing states. Ohio’s always been important. I think it’s because Ohio’s always had elements that reflect the nation itself though Ohio has a considerably small minority population for a larger state. That’s what has helped make Georgia more competitive too FWIW. Georgia has grown more diverse.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:31:27pm

re: #103 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Trump wants to be able to rant and rave unhindered, to deliver his stream of consciousness (such as it were) ramblings and if he can’t do that, if he can’t interject or shout down his opponent, he won’t do it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:34:29pm

re: #106 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ohio has played a central role in US Presidential politics since at least the 1840’s. Ohio was “the west” after the Constitution was put in place and Ohio was the gateway for a great many migrations from New England and the central Atlantic states.

With the ascent of the religious right in the GOP, Ohio has taken on the mantle of the test case, to see if the GOP in such garbs can control Ohio.

The reason in the last few decades Florida has seemed more important than Ohio is simply the mass migration of retirees to Florida have sent that population high, a population that is more singular (retiree) in nature than some place like Ohio.

With New York (due to NYC) and California being almost one-party blocs, places like Ohio and Florida get the attention as the fighting grounds.

This election comes down to Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Georgia. So many of the other states are pretty locked into their identities. Sure we can dream of Texas flipping, or for Iowa to come back to its senses, but those are long shots.

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BeachDem  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:35:56pm

re: #104 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Damn, I didn’t realize how Republican it became. Hopefully there’s a Doug Jones type there.

Well, here in SC, we have 2 Dem reps (Clyburn and Joe Cunningham) out of 7. Two repulsive senators, all statewide offices held by Repugs, State house—78-45 Repugs; State senate—27-19.

But as Jaime keeps things going and Biden gains on trump…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:37:36pm

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

53-47 also also allows for some breathing room. I’d rather not have to rely on Manchin to be the deciding vote on key legislation. I think 53-47 is doable though. Gonna have to hold it in the midterms though and not lose the House again. Fortunately, I think we’ve learned some lessons since 2010 and 14 and Biden unlike Obama doesn’t have a young base that will take things for granted. Obviously the odds will be against the Dems gaining seats in the midterms but we can limit damage.

In a blue tsunami 54 or even 55 are possible, if not likely.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:37:38pm

re: #108 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Ohio has played a central role in US Presidential politics since at least the 1840’s. Ohio was “the west” after the Constitution was put in place and Ohio was the gateway for a great many migrations from New England and the central Atlantic states.

With the ascent of the religious right in the GOP, Ohio has taken on the mantle of the test case, to see if the GOP in such garbs can control Ohio.

The reason in the last few decades Florida has seemed more important than Ohio is simply the mass migration of retirees to Florida have sent that population high, a population that is more singular (retiree) in nature than some place like Ohio.

With New York (due to NYC) and California being almost one-party blocs, places like Ohio and Florida get the attention as the fighting grounds.

This election comes down to Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Georgia. So many of the other states are pretty locked into their identities. Sure we can dream of Texas flipping, or for Iowa to come back to its senses, but those are long shots.

All good points. What has been interesting for me is my state going from reliably Republican on a presidential level to being solid albeit not blue like our neighbor Maryland.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:40:08pm

re: #109 BeachDem

Well, here in SC, we have 2 Dem reps (Clyburn and Joe Cunningham) out of 7. Two repulsive senators, all statewide offices held by Repugs, State house—78-45 Repugs; State senate—27-19.

But as Jaime keeps things going and Biden gains on trump…

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Jamie is such an awesome candidate. I think he can help edge some of those gaps in your legislature too and maybe even get a third Rep. I’m hoping that Virginia adds another Democrat to our Congressional delegation. The guy I’m rooting hard for is Dr. Cameron Webb running in Charlottesville. He’s my age, would be our third African-American member of our delegation, and Charlottesville obviously has meaning given what happened there a few years back. We also have a Muslim-American running I think in the district south of my new district too.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:42:26pm

re: #111 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Virginia has become increasing metropolitan, at least the parts close to DC. And with that the culture has changed from the old south to a more contemporary-issue driven political atmosphere.

Many states have seen changes in nature the past 40 years or so. I mentioned Iowa. Once a progressive state (from the start), it has been taken over by the religious right. Same thing happened in Ohio, but being a more populous state with actual cities it has not been possible for the religious right to totally dominate it.

And in North Carolina, the growth of the largest cities into quite large cities and a progressive agenda starting to push through in those areas has taken NC from being the confederacy to something that I can see could be a progressive leader in a decade or two.

This is why Trump plays to the rural grievance theatre: urbanization is transforming some states and with that comes a new sense of political balance.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:43:45pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:44:19pm

re: #113 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Virginia has become increasing metropolitan, at least the parts close to DC. And with that the culture has changed from the old south to a more contemporary-issue driven political atmosphere.

Many states have seen changes in nature the past 4o years or so. I mentioned Iowa. Once a progressive state (from the start), it has been taken over by the religious right. Same thing happened in Ohio, but being a more populous state with actual cities it has not been possible for the religious right to totally dominate it.

And in North Carolina, the growth of the largest cities into quite large cities and a progressive agenda starting to push through in those areas has taken NC from being the confederacy to something that I can see could be a progressive leader in a decade or two.

This is why Trump plays to the rural grievance theatre: urbanization is transforming some states and with that comes a new sense of political balance.

Oh yeah I’ve witnessed the changes in Northern Va firsthand. It’s awesome. I actually moved back a couple miles from where I grew up. I’m within walking distance of a DC metro station and several ethnic restaurants.

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sagehen  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:47:49pm

re: #106 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It is interesting how states change and how other states seemingly will always be swing states. Ohio’s always been important. I think it’s because Ohio’s always had elements that reflect the nation itself though Ohio has a considerably small minority population for a larger state. That’s what has helped make Georgia more competitive too FWIW. Georgia has grown more diverse.

California used to be a swing state; Nixon and Reagan were not outliers,

But then Pete Wilson got going on his anti-immigrant obsession, moderates got an up-close look at how hateful conservatives had become, and suddenly the state is bluest of the blue.

Prop 187 actually passed as an initiative, but people didn’t realize how extreme it was,

(how hateful? they wanted proof of citizenship to be treated at an emergency room. proof of parents’ citizenship to let kids enroll in school. the undocumented weren’t to be allowed to use libraries, or public parks, or public transportation, or anything the State spent any money on AT ALL.

And of course the process for hispanic-looking or Chinese-looking people to be able to verifiy they should be able to take their kids to the beach was… so much worse than stop and frisk. Ugly ugly ugly.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:48:39pm

Should be quite a show

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:50:26pm

re: #116 sagehen

California used to be a swing state; Nixon and Reagan were not outliers,

But then Pete Wilson got going on his anti-immigrant obsession, moderates got an up-close look at how hateful conservatives had become, and suddenly the state is bluest of the blue.

Prop 187 actually passed as an initiative, but people didn’t realize how extreme it was,

(how hateful? they wanted proof of citizenship to be treated at an emergency room. proof of parents’ citizenship to let kids enroll in school. the undocumented weren’t to be allowed to use libraries, or public parks, or public transportation, or anything the State spent any money on AT ALL.

And of course the process for hispanic-looking or Chinese-looking people to be able to verifiy they should be able to take their kids to the beach was… so much worse than stop and frisk. Ugly ugly ugly.

Conservatives really just have no idea how much the xenophobic bullshit turns people off. We like diversity. Nearly every right winger I see talks about El Salvadorans as if they’re all MS-13 members and it’s disgusting. I’ve known people from there my entire life including some who ended up enlisting in the military.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:52:21pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:53:08pm

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:53:38pm
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:53:48pm

Time to call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards and stay healthy.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:55:38pm

re: #122 jaunte

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There’s so many great freshmen in the House and alot of them are women.

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KGxvi  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:56:55pm

re: #122 jaunte

I really hope she’s on Newsom’s short list for Harris’s replacement in the Senate.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:57:08pm

How big a bubble does he live in?

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William Lewis  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:57:47pm

So happy birthday to me, as today is my 57th spin about the old hydrogen fusion ball. Took a vacation day and spent it lolling around, had a nice big homemade breakfast (eggs, bacon, potatoes, toast & tea) and have a “date” with my ex for supper at a nice place tonight. Got myself an appointment to pick up my new glasses today too and a nice translation of “Poems of the Masters” a classic Chinese poetry anthology from the Tang and Sung dynasties.

So I hope you all have a great day, I’m having a good one so far.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:57:50pm

re: #122 jaunte

The Brits are worried that post-Brexit will mean that the UK is going to be forced by the US to allow US Big Pharma to set prices in the UK, as part of any trade agreement between the UK and the US.

And the Brits are right to be worried.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:58:31pm

re: #126 Kilroy was here

How big a bubble does he live in?

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The same bubble that my cousin that is crying about Wallace’s “liberal” bias lives in.

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KGxvi  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:58:41pm

re: #127 William Lewis

So happy birthday to me, as today is my 57th spin about the old hydrogen fusion ball. Took a vacation day and spent it lolling around, had a nice big homemade breakfast (eggs, bacon, potatoes, toast & tea) and have a “date” with my ex for supper at a nice place tonight. Got myself an appointment to pick up my new glasses today too and a nice translation of “Poems of the Masters” a classic Chinese poetry anthology from the Tang and Sung dynasties.

So I hope you all have a great day, I’m having a good one so far.

felicidades.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:58:44pm

re: #121 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:00:28pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:01:24pm

re: #127 William Lewis

Many happy returns.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:01:39pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:01:58pm

re: #131 Decatur Deb

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:02:23pm

re: #128 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Brits are worried that post-Brexit will mean that the UK is going to be forced by the US to allow US Big Pharma to set prices in the UK, as part of any trade agreement between the UK and the US.

And the Brits are right to be worried.

They’ll be lucky to continue having NHS.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:02:24pm

From Daughter1’s phone:

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KGxvi  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:03:46pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Needs a follow up, “Oh, and I called him a clown… because fuck that guy”

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BeachDem  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:05:01pm
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KGxvi  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:05:16pm

re: #128 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Brits are worried that post-Brexit will mean that the UK is going to be forced by the US to allow US Big Pharma to set prices in the UK, as part of any trade agreement between the UK and the US.

And the Brits are right to be worried.

It still amazes me that during the entirety of the Brexit disaster nobody in leadership was willing to say “look, the referendum was non-binding, we explored it, but leaving the EU is just not feasible, nor is it in the national interest.”

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KGxvi  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:07:02pm

Random thought… let’s say Biden wins big and the Dems hold the House and Pelosi decides to retire (which, allegedly was her plan had Clinton won in 2016), who is on the short list to be the next Speaker? Please tell me it’s not Hoyer.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:09:13pm

re: #141 KGxvi

Random thought… let’s say Biden wins big and the Dems hold the House and Pelosi decides to retire (which, allegedly was her plan had Clinton won in 2016), who is on the short list to be the next Speaker? Please tell me it’s not Hoyer.

Speculation is it’s gonna be Hakeem Jeffries who would be the first African-American Speaker. It’s not gonna be Steny. Nancy and Steny don’t even get along that well.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:09:28pm

re: #141 KGxvi

en.wikipedia.org

But it’s whoever the majority vote for it to be.

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Citizen K  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:09:48pm

re: #141 KGxvi

Random thought… let’s say Biden wins big and the Dems hold the House and Pelosi decides to retire (which, allegedly was her plan had Clinton won in 2016), who is on the short list to be the next Speaker? Please tell me it’s not Hoyer.

I hope Hakeem Jeffries is considered at the least.

EDIT:

re: #142 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Speculation is it’s gonna be Hakeem Jeffries who would be the first African-American Speaker. It’s not gonna be Steny. Nancy and Steny don’t even get along that well.

Hoyer has an extremely bad tendency say shit that Pelosi has to immediately walk back because it’s nowhere indicative of what the larger caucus actually wants. Hoyer is an island and there’s a reason he never won any of his challenges to the speakership.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:10:09pm

My hope is Klobuchar gets a promotion into the Senate leadership too if Biden doesn’t offer her a cabinet post. She’s an excellent legislator.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:10:10pm

re: #69 lawhawk

6 times. He bankrupted casinos SIX FUCKING TIMES.

He overpaid/overspent on the casinos, and made such awful deals that he went bankrupt SIX FUCKING TIMES. But he was “shrewd” enough to stick the bill with others so he could avoid the consequences.

Yet millions of know nothings think he’s a great businessman.

He’s great if you want to be a millionaire. Give him a billion dollars and it’ll become a million bucks before you know it.

he’s doing the same thing to his golf courses, without the house edge advantage

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:11:07pm

re: #144 Citizen K

I hope Hakeem Jeffries is considered at the least.

I think he will be. I was really impressed with him during the impeachment hearings. My Dad saw him and said that Rep. Jeffries reminded him of President Obama and I can see that.

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piratedan  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:12:20pm

re: #141 KGxvi

well Steny would need votes, I have a hard time believing that the influx of new Dem reps would flock to him…. As much as I would endorse Ted Lieu, by putting him in the line of succession, that may disqualify him due to his citizenship status… Perhaps someone like Karen Bass? In that respect, I’m not sure who would have enough cred to be acceptable to a lot of younger representatives. Nonna Nancy has been instructing the younguns on how to play the game and STILL the most important lesson is to be able to count noses and not demand what you don’t have votes for.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:14:00pm

re: #126 Kilroy was here

How big a bubble does he live in?

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A Mom Anon  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:14:09pm

The husband’s ballot came today and he and Cleo just got back from dropping it off at the ballot drop off box at the library! Woot! This household has voted!

Oh and Fuck the right wing assholes of the world. And not in a fun way.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:14:17pm

re: #148 piratedan

well Steny would need votes, I have a hard time believing that the influx of new Dem reps would flock to him…. As much as I would endorse Ted Lieu, by putting him in the line of succession, that may disqualify him due to his citizenship status… Perhaps someone like Karen Bass? In that respect, I’m not sure who would have enough cred to be acceptable to a lot of younger representatives. Nonna Nancy has been instructing the younguns on how to play the game and STILL the most important lesson is to be able to count noses and not demand what you don’t have votes for.

Bass wouldn’t be a bad idea either if Nancy wants to go with another Californian and woman. Ted Lieu, I do like him but I don’t see it. I think Bass, Jeffries, and maybe some other people I might be missing are good picks. It won’t be Hoyer though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:14:39pm

I love how the dude gets completely defeated when he realizes she’s completely owned him.

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KGxvi  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:16:40pm

re: #148 piratedan

well Steny would need votes, I have a hard time believing that the influx of new Dem reps would flock to him…. As much as I would endorse Ted Lieu, by putting him in the line of succession, that may disqualify him due to his citizenship status… Perhaps someone like Karen Bass? In that respect, I’m not sure who would have enough cred to be acceptable to a lot of younger representatives. Nonna Nancy has been instructing the younguns on how to play the game and STILL the most important lesson is to be able to count noses and not demand what you don’t have votes for.

On Lieu and citizenship, it would just skip him and make the Senate President Pro Tem the next one in line (which would be Leahy if Dems take back the Senate). Which as a side note: really shouldn’t be the title given to the longest serving Senator in the majority but to the majority leader.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:18:17pm

re: #153 KGxvi

On Lieu and citizenship, it would just skip him and make the Senate President Pro Tem the next one in line (which would be Leahy if Dems take back the Senate). Which as a side note: really shouldn’t be the title given to the longest serving Senator in the majority but to the majority leader.

Yeah I don’t get that in the line of succession. I forget though. Is it State that is the first cabinet post in the line of succession? That would make sense since Secretary of State used to be the old stepping stone to the Presidency.

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danarchy  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:18:54pm

re: #135 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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KGxvi  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:18:57pm

re: #151 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Bass wouldn’t be a bad idea either if Nancy wants to go with another Californian and woman. Ted Lieu, I do like him but I don’t see it. I think Bass, Jeffries, and maybe some other people I might be missing are good picks. It won’t be Hoyer though.

One issue is that the Speakership is very different when the president is from the same party - even more so if one party has the trifecta.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:19:38pm

re: #107 Dr Lizardo

Trump wants to be able to rant and rave unhindered, to deliver his stream of consciousness (such as it were) ramblings and if he can’t do that, if he can’t interject or shout down his opponent, he won’t do it.

kinda ironic: basically if trump is forced to act presidential, he won’t do it

im eager to see how this plays out - almost all to bidens advantage

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:19:48pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:20:12pm

re: #156 KGxvi

One issue is that the Speakership is very different when the president is from the same party - even more so if one party has the trifecta.

Definitely. I just think Pelosi’s successor will definitely be someone younger than her.

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piratedan  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:20:39pm

re: #153 KGxvi

ty for the clarification… Lieu would be a contender then… he’s a WHIP and he has an extremely savvy social media presence… it is kind of nice to think about having folks like Jeffries, Lieu and Bass available as options for speaker. Bass isn’t much on the media radar, but when I have seen Jeffries and Lieu, they seem to have just the right amount of outrage, knowledge and social chops.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:20:44pm

re: #157 dangerman

kinda ironic: basically if trump is forced to act presidential, he won’t do it

im eager to see how this plays out - almost all to bidens advantage

As long as both parties have to agree to changes (i.e. the moderator gets the power to cut mics), I doubt they will happen.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:21:02pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

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Next one is the Town hall.

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KGxvi  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:21:02pm

re: #154 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah I don’t get that in the line of succession. I forget though. Is it State that is the first cabinet post in the line of succession? That would make sense since Secretary of State used to be the old stepping stone to the Presidency.

Yes. President, Vice President, Speaker, Senate Pres Pro Tem, then cabinet secretaries in the order that the departments were established. So, State, Treasury, Defense, AG, and so on. Chao as Secretary of Transportation would be 14th in line, but because she’s not a natural born citizen, it skips her.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:21:46pm

re: #159 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Definitely. I just think Pelosi’s successor will definitely be someone younger than her.

I adore you but you’re really ageist… quite often.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:21:53pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson
Yeah, if they duct taped someone who isn’t named Joe Biden to a chair and shot him full of Thorazine….

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:21:54pm

re: #120 Dread Pirate Ron

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danarchy  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:22:47pm

re: #159 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Definitely. I just think Pelosi’s successor will definitely be someone younger than her.

Well she is 80, so I don’t think that is too much of a reach ;)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:23:05pm

re: #160 piratedan

ty for the clarification… Lieu would be a contender then… he’s a WHIP and he has an extremely savvy social media presence… it is kind of nice to think about having folks like Jeffries, Lieu and Bass available as options for speaker. Bass isn’t much on the media radar, but when I have seen Jeffries and Lieu, they seem to have just the right amount of outrage, knowledge and social chops.

Didn’t know Lieu was a whip already. Either of those three would be fine. Hoyer I just don’t see it as a realistic possibility.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:23:07pm

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

As much as the old guard seems way too timid, too frequently, I am nevertheless optimistic about the future of the Democratic party.

How does he think the Old Guard got to be old?

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piratedan  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:24:56pm

re: #162 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

it will be different to see if Trump regulates his assholishness in front of a regular earnest citizen asking a legit question that doesn’t come from GOP framing.

It may even sow more trouble for him….

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:25:27pm
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KGxvi  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:26:39pm

re: #170 piratedan

it will be different to see if Trump regulates his assholishness in front of a regular earnest citizen asking a legit question that doesn’t come from GOP framing.

It may even sow more trouble for him….

He was kind of a dick at his last CNN townhall event, so my guess is that any such regulation is going to fail.

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ericblair  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:26:47pm

So, mailed my ballot from Europe via military mail (APO AE) to Fairfax County VA on 17 September, received on 29 September. Straight D and against the redistricting proposal per Dem guidance.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:27:06pm

re: #139 BeachDem

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this president has been burned by a dictionary
more than once

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:27:28pm

re: #164 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I adore you but you’re really ageist… quite often.

Fair enough but it’s really not about age with Hoyer. It’s that he’s really not in step with where the party is going. I try not to be ageist but a party that sells itself as forward looking should have try to have older leadership. That said, I’m fine with Pelosi until 2022 as she agreed to.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:28:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:28:42pm

Odds on the GOP confirming Barrett before the next debate?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:28:54pm

re: #167 danarchy

Well she is 80, so I don’t think that is too much of a reach ;)

Haha I think Hoyer is actually a year older and has more seniority. I think of the possible choices Hoyer is the worst and it’s not because of his age. It’s because he’s really not the type of personality you want running the House IMO.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:29:15pm

re: #175 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I get what you’re saying. Just please recognize that people are valuable at all ages.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:30:43pm

re: #176 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

He’s gonna back out. Guaranteed.

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Sinistershade  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:33:24pm

re: #141 KGxvi

Random thought… let’s say Biden wins big and the Dems hold the House and Pelosi decides to retire (which, allegedly was her plan had Clinton won in 2016), who is on the short list to be the next Speaker? Please tell me it’s not Hoyer.

I’m supporting Samuel L. Jackson.

(The Speaker doesn’t have to be a member of the House.)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:36:01pm

re: #179 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I get what you’re saying. Just please recognize that people are valuable at all ages.

I do, trust me. It’s not an age thing with Hoyer. It’s more that I think Jeffries, Lieu, or Bass would be better at the job. With that said, no one else could have done a better job as Speaker than Pelosi the past two years and I think Biden is doing very well as the nominee and has proven a lot of people that worried about his age myself included wrong.

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b.d. (Enough!)  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:36:26pm

re: #180 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

He’s gonna back out. Guaranteed.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:37:54pm

re: #180 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

He’s gonna back out. Guaranteed.

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They should make it a big sound-dampening room so that the microphone is the only sound. That way he can’t yell over Biden.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:38:44pm

re: #183 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Each candidate will receive verbal 25 warnings before any microphones are cut.

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Yeah, but that still leaves 87 minutes for Trump’s mic to be cut.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:40:59pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

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reincarnation of Sandman Sims, please

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Jay C  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:42:05pm

re: #183 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Each candidate will receive verbal 25 warnings before any microphones are cut.

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So Trump’s will be cut within about, what? Two minutes? Three, tops?

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:42:42pm

re: #181 Sinistershade

I’m supporting Samuel L. Jackson.

(The Speaker doesn’t have to be a member of the House.)

I’m tired of the motherf@@@@in’ republicans in the mother@@@in’ congress!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:43:25pm

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:45:57pm

re: #188 BlueSpotinAL

I’m tired of the motherf@@@@in’ republicans in the mother@@@in’ congress!

GOP Rep: *spews random conspiracy theories*

SLJ: That is the absolute dumbest shit I’ve ever heard in my life!

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Mike Lamb  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:46:49pm

re: #180 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

He’s gonna back out. Guaranteed.

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I mean, it’s cool that they are going to do that, but they really couldn’t see the possible necessity heading into debate no. 1? And will the moderator have the intestinal fortitude to cut mics? Will the moderator feel compelled to cut off Biden at least once for the sake of fairness?

And the concern troll aspect is that Trump uses his mic getting cut to play the martyr. I mean the Trump War Room tweeted out how many times Wallace interrupted versus Biden. They basically have the tweet template in place.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:48:00pm

re: #183 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Each candidate will receive verbal 25 warnings before any microphones are cut.

//

I’m going to count to three…and this time I mean it.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:48:30pm

Throw them out of the venue.

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piratedan  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:49:01pm

re: #192 Mike Lamb

don’t make me pull this debate over!!!!!!!!!!!

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:49:11pm

If it isn’t a rule for the Trump famiy, why do they call it a rule?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:49:22pm

You call it a debate? Donald Trump’s nouvelobs.com… shitshow

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:50:50pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

And that’s why I like the French.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:52:30pm

Kentucky’s only Democrat in Congress

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:53:22pm

re: #195 jaunte

If it isn’t a rule for the Trump famiy, why do they call it a rule?

I’ve been wondering about this for quite some time. But of course, the answer is - the President is above the law.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:53:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:55:06pm
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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:55:38pm
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Mike Lamb  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:56:39pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You call it a debate? Donald Trump’s nouvelobs.com… shitshow

I know a fair amount of Spanish. Didn’t realize I was partially fluent in French.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:56:48pm
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:56:56pm

re: #193 jaunte

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Throw them out of the venue.

I will have NO sympathy for any members of the Romanov Dynasty if they wind up with COVID.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:58:05pm
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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:59:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:59:33pm
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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:00:37pm

re: #191 Mike Lamb

I mean, it’s cool that they are going to do that, but they really couldn’t see the possible necessity heading into debate no. 1? And will the moderator have the intestinal fortitude to cut mics? Will the moderator feel compelled to cut off Biden at least once for the sake of fairness?

And the concern troll aspect is that Trump uses his mic getting cut to play the martyr. I mean the Trump War Room tweeted out how many times Wallace interrupted versus Biden. They basically have the tweet template in place.

they’ll likely send it out a week early

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BeachDem  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:01:55pm

re: #178 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Haha I think Hoyer is actually a year older and has more seniority. I think of the possible choices Hoyer is the worst and it’s not because of his age. It’s because he’s really not the type of personality you want running the House IMO.

Throw Lujan and Castro in the mix (and keep Seth Moulton far, far away) and I’m with your list. Also, I’m an old, and I think we need somebody younger as well.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:02:13pm

re: #191 Mike Lamb

I mean, it’s cool that they are going to do that, but they really couldn’t see the possible necessity heading into debate no. 1? And will the moderator have the intestinal fortitude to cut mics? Will the moderator feel compelled to cut off Biden at least once for the sake of fairness?

And the concern troll aspect is that Trump uses his mic getting cut to play the martyr. I mean the Trump War Room tweeted out how many times Wallace interrupted versus Biden. They basically have the tweet template in place.

“I’m not going to follow the rules, but they’re poopyheads for enforcing them.” - Trump

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:04:02pm

re: #210 BeachDem

Throw Lujan and Castro in the mix (and keep Seth Moulton far, far away) and I’m with your list. Also, I’m an old, and I think we need somebody younger as well.

Agreed.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:05:16pm

re: #199 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’ve been wondering about this for quite some time. But of course, the answer is - the President is above the law.

none of them is the president

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BeachDem  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:06:05pm

re: #191 Mike Lamb

I mean, it’s cool that they are going to do that, but they really couldn’t see the possible necessity heading into debate no. 1? And will the moderator have the intestinal fortitude to cut mics? Will the moderator feel compelled to cut off Biden at least once for the sake of fairness?

And the concern troll aspect is that Trump uses his mic getting cut to play the martyr. I mean the Trump War Room tweeted out how many times Wallace interrupted versus Biden. They basically have the tweet template in place.

I think they should do the town hall version via Zoom—there’s no reason the Bidens should be subjected to the Trump family in person (especially since they won’t follow the rules.) Then just mute everyone until it’s their turn to speak.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:06:46pm
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stpaulbear  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:08:07pm

re: #211 Belafon

“I’m not going to follow the rules, but they’re poopyheads for enforcing them.” - Trump

HOW COME THEY NEVER CUT JOE’S MICROPHONE!?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:08:35pm

re: #72 piratedan

…..
Trump is an anchor and each time he shows just how unfit he is for office, people get the tangible reminder that their current GOP Senator has rubber stamped every damn thing he’s done. I’m waiting for the new ads coming out tying each and every one of these cowards to him and let them state how while they support a corrupt racist in office, they’re not like that at all… To be fair, I’m surprised that we’re not seeing them already. Maybe everyone was afraid regarding what Trump (and the Russians) may pull outta their ass but I’m not sure that there’s much in their collective intestinal tracts than shit….

Some are true believers, some are afraid of a caustic tweet, some will do anything the party commands, but there are some who are likely being blackmailed (looking at you Ms. Lindsey) and have fear of the law taking them in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:08:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:11:24pm
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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:12:44pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

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this is clearly not the message they got

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:14:11pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Biden had done a great job talking about what the virus actually means. I thankfully haven’t lost any loved ones but 205,000 families haven’t had the same good fortune. Trump’s lack of empathy is so telling.

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BeachDem  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:15:03pm

re: #207 jaunte

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Would love to see the half hour increments. I’m guessing viewership dropped as the shitshow continued.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:17:12pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:19:12pm

re: #165 A Mom Anon

Thorazine

Thorazine is considered a mid-tier 1st-generation antipsychotic.

If you want to put him on his ass, give him quetiapine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:20:14pm

sigh

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:20:38pm

re: #207 jaunte

Or maybe it’s as simple as people using other networks or streaming to watch the debate. I don’t see CNN or MSNBC listed there.

There is also the likelihood that in 2016 many voters were legitimately undecided, thanks to the appalling coverage by the MSM, and were curious about how Trump would perform and what he actually stood for. In 2020, most people have already made up their minds and know Trump for who he is. They have no interest in a debate that will not alter their decision.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:23:04pm
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:27:06pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. Oh I see …

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stpaulbear  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:27:12pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

The technical term for what I hope happens to AJ Cameron is ‘reamed’.

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Interesting Times  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:29:16pm

If you’re wondering what the “undecided” number really represents…

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BlueGrl21  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:31:37pm

re: #224 Eric The Fruit Bat

Thorazine is considered a mid-tier 1st-generation antipsychotic.

If you want to put him on his ass, give him quetiapine.

I had to take quetiapine for a while after a bad manic episode 5 years ago. It leaves you so sedated you’re practically drooling.

So, I approve.

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retired cynic  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:31:54pm

re: #159 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Definitely. I just think Pelosi’s successor will definitely be someone younger than her.

Schiff!

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:33:57pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:34:59pm
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BigPapa  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:36:27pm

re: #233 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I agree my man. Trumpism is the result of the decisions made to fight the Civil Rights Act by investing in white grievance. This may be the reckoning and resolution. Or, our demise.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:37:47pm

re: #217 Hecuba’s daughter

Some are true believers, some are afraid of a caustic tweet, some will do anything the party commands, but there are some who are likely being blackmailed (looking at you Ms. Lindsey) and have fear of the law taking them in.

I will say that Graham’s descent into Trumpism can be explained by the fact that he is less popular with S.C. GOP voters than Trump is, so as a caustic critic of Trump, he had to become obsequious to keep Trump from endorsing a primary challenger. Though prostituting himself may not have done him much good, based on recent polling.

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Sinistershade  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:47:06pm

re: #190 Eclectic Cyborg

GOP Rep: *spews random conspiracy theories*

SLJ: That is the absolute dumbest shit I’ve ever heard in my life!

“Say it! Say ‘Benghazi’ one more time! I dare you!”

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retired cynic  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:48:05pm

Yesterday I posted a link to Judd Legum’s article about Project Veritas. He issued a correction of something in that post today:

First, I wanted to draw your attention to a correction I made to yesterday’s newsletter about Project Veritas. I reported that during the Minnesota primary, which is the subject of the Project Veritas video, Minnesota courts enjoined the legal provision that said an individual can only help three other people return an absentee ballot. That is accurate. But I did not report that, after the primary, on September 4, the court reimposed the limit for the general election. That omission doesn’t make the Project Veritas video any more credible. But it does mean that yesterday’s newsletter mischaracterized the current state of the law in Minnesota. I regret the error.

I can’t promise I won’t make more mistakes. But I can promise to acknowledge my errors promptly and correct them transparently.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:51:40pm

re: #237 Sinistershade

“Say it! Say ‘Benghazi’ one more time! I dare you!”

Super Troopers (5/5) Movie CLIP - Shenanigans (2001) HD

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sagehen  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:59:07pm

re: #221 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Biden had done a great job talking about what the virus actually means. I thankfully haven’t lost any loved ones but 205,000 families haven’t had the same good fortune. Trump’s lack of empathy is so telling.

it’s not 205k families — lots of the families who lost someone lost 2 or 3 or 4 people.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:00:28pm
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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:02:21pm

re: #233 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

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im giving her a break on this
i assume i know what she meant

we only have two real parties
it’s been that way for a long time
the republicans are the other party
regardless of their makeup or political slant

she could have just as well said ‘another party’ or two parties.

what she meant was a party that bought into the two party system - nationally loyal, accepting the democrats as legitimate, and willing to participate and compromise to get results.

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Jay C  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:02:39pm

re: #232 retired cynic

re: #159 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Definitely. I just think Pelosi’s successor will definitely be someone younger than her.

Schiff!

I may be misremembering it, but ISTR reading somewhere that Schiff wasn’t interested in the Speakership/Whip positions as there was too much “managerial” responsibility for his liking.
If I’m proven wrong, I won’t mind, though: he (or Ted Lieu) would probably be kick-ass Speakers.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:05:07pm

re: #242 dangerman

im giving her a break on this
i assume i know what she meant

we only have two real parties
it’s been that way for a long time
the republicans are the other party
regardless of their makeup or political slant

she could have just as well said ‘another party’ or two parties.

what she meant was a party that bought into the two party system - nationally loyal, accepting the democrats as legitimate, and willing to participate and compromise to get results.

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Left Democrats and Right Democrats will satisfy all our 2-party needs. With room for the Wobblies, of course.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:06:23pm

re: #240 sagehen

it’s not 205k families — lots of the families who lost someone lost 2 or 3 or 4 people.

alternatively, many people are members of more than one family

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:06:38pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Left Democrats and Right Democrats will satisfy all our 2-party needs. With room for the Wobblies, of course.

that works too

do we flip a coin to see which one is gonna be called ‘the republicans’? ///

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Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:07:56pm

re: #246 dangerman

that works too

do we flip a coin to see which one is gonna be called ‘the republicans’? ///

Blues and Greens, with a nod towards the Roman charioteering factions.

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Acemarilllion  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:08:08pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:10:34pm

re: #247 Decatur Deb

Blues and Greens, with a nod towards the Roman charioteering factions.

Wasn’t that in Constantinople?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:11:21pm

re: #233 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

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Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:14:34pm

re: #249 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

Wasn’t that in Constantinople?

Mainstream Rome, though it was likely Empire-wide. Really had many elements of political partisanship.

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Jay C  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:15:43pm

re: #247 Decatur Deb

Blues and Greens, with a nod towards the Roman charioteering factions.

How about “Crips” and “Bloods”?

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:18:13pm

re: #122 jaunte

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I love Katie Porter

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:22:16pm

re: #253 Jebediah, RBG

I love Katie Porter

My wife watches videos of her for fun.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:27:37pm

re: #140 KGxvi

It still amazes me that during the entirety of the Brexit disaster nobody in leadership was willing to say “look, the referendum was non-binding, we explored it, but leaving the EU is just not feasible, nor is it in the national interest.”

Me, too - I couldn’t understand what I was missing and why they were acting like it was settled law especially when some voters were saying if they had known it would be binding they would have voted “stay.”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:28:40pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:29:36pm

re: #255 Jebediah, RBG

Me, too - I couldn’t understand what I was missing and why they were acting like it was settled law especially when some voters were saying if they had known it would be binding they would have voted “stay.”

Because the UK has a huge block of poorly educated whites who are xenophobic, just like the US does.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:30:08pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

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Unfortunately, the headline will be “TV Ratings Show Biden Voters are not Enthusiastic”.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:30:35pm

re: #250 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Sane conservatives (yes it seems to be an oxymoron-with extra oxy these days) will need to split off and take their party back. No one has really been doing that work that I am aware of, at least not until a very short time ago. It’s on them to fix it. In the meantime, Dems need to fight to pull the nation forward and get to work on day one. No more of this comity to the other side until they can grow the hell up and get serious about the hard work of governance. The assholes won’t go down without a fight and they will use that to stop progress if we allow it.

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piratedan  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:30:50pm

re: #242 dangerman

I simply think that Nancy is smart enough to know that a Democracy needs more than one functioning polity to work properly. She wants to assure those GOP folks that have been indifferent and have been associated with the party thru generations that it’s okay to leave their party for now and forge a new party sans racism and white supremacy. I know it seems strange for her to do so, but the elephant that never ever gets uttered by the Press that is supposed to “inform” our citizens is that in their eyes only Dems have any agency and if they (Dems) care enough about Democracy to keep it from failing, then they also have to accommodate those that have been too busy being lazy to pay attention to keep it or else all that we’ll end up with is Trump V2.0.

Is this firmly at the feet of those too lazy to care… yes. Is the Press failing in its job to inform and hold people accountable, yes as well… but guess what, even if we shout that from the rafters, it doesn’t change our NOW or elicit the behavior and choices we need to survive this political crisis. Dems will need to drive wholesale societal changes to take the money out of the news and make it a non-profit fact based part of a governmental good. Because its apparent w/o any kind of regulation and watching news devolve into infotainment, no one gets served except those who own the broadcast rights.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:34:40pm

Joe Biden did not rule out abolishing the filibuster or expanding the Court during the debate, a hopeful sign that he recognizes that his agenda is doomed otherwise. You may recall during the nomination campaign, he spread a lot of happy horseshit about working with Republicans, something that hasn’t been possible for over a decade. vox.com

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plansbandc  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:36:10pm

The Republican brand is completely toxic.

Maybe a new party? How about The Conservative Party.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:38:26pm

re: #262 plansbandc

The Republican brand is completely toxic.

Maybe a new party? How about The Conservative Party.

Tories.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:45:19pm

re: #263 Decatur Deb

Have encountered Tories in their natural habitat…nothankyou.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:46:08pm

re: #263 Decatur Deb

Tories.

Well, Minnesota can supply the “Labour” party from our Democratic-Farmer-Labor brand.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:47:08pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Mainstream Rome, though it was likely Empire-wide. Really had many elements of political partisanship.

Ah. Digging it up, the factions had become political most notably in Christian Byzantine days, though starting as racing “clubs” hundreds of years earlier in the Roman republic.

smithsonianmag.com

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Jack Burton  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:50:42pm

re: #226 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe Americans don’t want to be screamed at by Donald Trump anymore?

If, hypothetically I was still not sure about Biden, he would win my vote by saying “I’ll keep off of Twitter unless it’s important, and I’ll try to keep my face off your TV and computer screens as much as possible.”

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Jay C  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:52:29pm

re: #255 Jebediah, RBG

Me, too - I couldn’t understand what I was missing and why they were acting like it was settled law especially when some voters were saying if they had known it would be binding they would have voted “stay.”

Mainly because once the Referendum had passed, there were too many “interested parties” - mostly interested in leveraging an out-of-the-EU UK for political and/or economic advantage - who suddenly decided they had a vested interest in committing to Brexit, and pushing it through regardless of what any “voters” thought (and recall, it was a fairly even split); hence the extended shambolic farce of years of insincere “negotiations”, putting off the inevitable “crash-out” ( the Tories’ backup plan for years) until it was too late.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:55:27pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:56:17pm

re: #231 BlueGrl21

There’s been a big upsurge of MD’s who aren’t shrinks prescribing it for insomnia when they really should not be due to the havoc it can wreak to one’s metabolic system - folks who don’t/can’t take one of the Z-drugs are probably better off taking amitriptyline, grasp done, or mirtazepine.

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Jack Burton  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:59:16pm

re: #269 DodgerFan1988

Spanky still thinks anyone cares what he says?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:01:47pm

re: #262 plansbandc

It’s not the brand that’s toxic.

The fiscal policy is self-serving, and where it’s not self-serving it’s fucking nonsense. It’s been tested and did not achieve any of the results declared.

The foreign policy is both a failure—not achieving the stated ends—and a fucking atrocity.

The cultural positions are on one hand authoritarian in ways that contradict individual civil liberty, and on the other filled with sotto voce exceptions for the powerful. The cultural basis of their cultural politics are ships of Theseus: they’ve attacked and dethroned their own God; they’ve created a climate of desperation and deprivation that has effectively destroyed the family; and they’re terrified of all forms of expression that aren’t a pink slime of shallow sentimental tropes; they fetishize Western civilization and the Enlightenment while rendering the actual substance of these things empty.

Basically, what is there to preserve of conservative “thought” that does not find its natural level at Donald Trump? What is the good idea that can be defended on its merits without resorting to empty rhetoric and getting the base hot and bothered with outrage?

Conservatism doesn’t make any fucking sense. It has no actual intellectual center, just a series of vague gestures at rationalizing that there are greater and lesser kinds of people…in keeping with the origins of conservatism, justifying monarchy…but not even committing to a single coherent hierarchy, instead sliding between selection criterion such that no conservative is ever the inferior party that has to shut up and obey.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:05:18pm
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So Cal Greek Hippie  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:10:33pm

2013: Spider Killing a Bee in Ventura, CA

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Jay C  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:10:43pm

re: #273 jaunte

ISTM that the formulation “Ted Cruz voted to block [something or other]” seems to be popping up a lot lately. Has he been designated the Official Obstructionist or something, or is this just a case of “Senate Rules” being (ab)used ‘cos Ted’s a dick?

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:11:28pm

re: #275 Jay C

He’s not up until 2024, so probably the latter.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:24:09pm

re: #91 GlutenFreeJesus

So. I found a 2017 TODAY interview where he shows us the rosary. 2:00 in:

Joe Biden On Wearing His Son Beau’s Rosary Beads : It’s My Connection To Him | Megyn Kelly TODAY

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:31:38pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:32:47pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:37:10pm

re: #265 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, Minnesota can supply the “Labour” party from our Democratic-Farmer-Labor brand.

Back when I was trying to bicycle race, I had another meaning for DFL.
Dead Fucking Last.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:39:45pm

re: #268 Jay C

Mainly because once the Referendum had passed, there were too many “interested parties” - mostly interested in leveraging an out-of-the-EU UK for political and/or economic advantage - who suddenly decided they had a vested interest in committing to Brexit, and pushing it through regardless of what any “voters” thought (and recall, it was a fairly even split); hence the extended shambolic farce of years of insincere “negotiations”, putting off the inevitable “crash-out” ( the Tories’ backup plan for years) until it was too late.

It was pretty disheartening to see, and right now I am pretty happy to not be British and stuck watching Bojo the Clown making it even worse than it already was.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:40:35pm

The responses are infuriating.

How about he promised shit he’d never be able to deliver on because of Republicans. And blamed Democrats.

Fuck Bernie.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:42:30pm

re: #280 Jebediah, RBG

Back when I was trying to bicycle race, I had another meaning for DFL.
Dead Fucking Last.

I could hang with Cat 2 riders on local rides in Bloomington, IN, but I never raced and it wasn’t DFL. It was, “I’ve got a hole in my shin and lost an eyebrow (it’s since grown back) from a car driving through me on a ride, and a separated shoulder from an early morning ride when I hit something in the road and went down like a sack of potatoes (a passing construction worker, saying nothing, picked me up, threw my bike in his bed, and drove me to the emergency room—I wrote a letter to the newspaper but never learned who the hero was). I figure with luck like that, I would get way more fucked up in racing.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:46:31pm

re: #277 GlutenFreeJesus

So. I found a 2017 TODAY interview where he shows us the rosary. 2:00 in:

[Embedded content]

I definitely get that. After my little brother died, and for the same reason, I wore a bead necklace of his every day for ~15 years, and would be now but the string broke (its been replaced 4 times, I think) and needs fixing again.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:49:39pm

My God, they’re playing The Comey Rule virtually around the clock for like 5 days now.

Imma gonna pass on that.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:51:24pm
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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:51:50pm

“Keep passing the open windows.”

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:52:22pm

re: #283 Barefoot Grin

I could hang with Cat 2 riders on local rides in Bloomington, IN, but I never raced and it wasn’t DFL. It was, “I’ve got a hole in my shin and lost an eyebrow (it’s since grown back) from a car driving through me on a ride, and a separated shoulder from an early morning ride when I hit something in the road and went down like a sack of potatoes (a passing construction worker, saying nothing, picked me up, threw my bike in his bed, and drove me to the emergency room—I wrote a letter to the newspaper but never learned who the hero was). I figure with luck like that, I would get way more fucked up in racing.

Jesus those both sound awful. Yay for that good samaritan! Glad neither was any worse. (And to be honest I never actually DFL’ed, but I did get yanked from some crits when I fell too far back, and quit on my own one of the times I thought I might be getting heat stroke. The other time I insisted on finishing because dumb.)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:52:24pm

re: #286 jaunte

[Embedded content]

“Overwhelming stress”

read

“The Russian Mafia is coming after me”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:56:51pm

re: #289 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

“Overwhelming stress”

read

“The Russian Mafia is coming after me”

Stay away from windows, Brad.

Better yet, talk with the FBI. You’ll feel much better.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:02:31pm

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:03:53pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:07:28pm

re: #290 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Stay away from windows, Brad.

Better yet, talk with the FBI. You’ll feel much better.

It’s not the windows that are the problem. He should probably learn what polonium tastes like.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:12:13pm
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sagehen  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:12:54pm

are NYC yellow cabs on some kind of strike?

All three of my rides today, the cabbies asked me to set my own price, pay cash, and they didn’t turn on the meter.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:16:50pm

re: #283 Barefoot Grin

Upding for “Breaking Away” country.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:20:45pm

I caved.

Made another 100.00 donation to the Biden Campaign. Was only going to make smaller donations to senate candidates. Debate last night pissed me off that much.

FT.

Next week, I’ll make some smaller senate donations, but at this point I have no idea who.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:21:33pm

The Air Quality Index has gone purple at 212. Most of the smoke is from the Glass fire.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:23:49pm
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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:24:44pm
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plansbandc  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:29:45pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

Let it get out of hand? wut

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stpaulbear  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:03:15pm

re: #283 Barefoot Grin

I could hang with Cat 2 riders on local rides in Bloomington, IN, but I never raced and it wasn’t DFL. It was, “I’ve got a hole in my shin and lost an eyebrow (it’s since grown back) from a car driving through me on a ride, and a separated shoulder from an early morning ride when I hit something in the road and went down like a sack of potatoes (a passing construction worker, saying nothing, picked me up, threw my bike in his bed, and drove me to the emergency room—I wrote a letter to the newspaper but never learned who the hero was). I figure with luck like that, I would get way more fucked up in racing.

I had a bike crash when a car threw open the driver’s door just as I was passing. One of the people who saw it stopped, got everyone’s insurance info, threw my bike into their van and drove me to the ER and then stuck around next to my bed until things looked OK. I did know their name and address, but it was just to pick up the remains of my bike a few days later. They were rich and I was poor so there wasn’t much I could offer them as a thank you.

About three years later I was answering the phones at the office, and someone called for a boss who was out. I took their info and it turned out to be the guy who took me to the hospital, so we got to catch up with each other for a bit and I thanked him again. A really super nice guy.

The person who threw open their car door griped at me the next day while I was back looking for my keys. She was mad that I’d screwed up the alignment of her door.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:09:37pm

From my FB:

“Jacques-bar-le-door!”
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Barefoot Grin  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:03:08pm

re: #302 stpaulbear

I had a bike crash when a car threw open the driver’s door just as I was passing. One of the people who saw it stopped, got everyone’s insurance info, threw my bike into their van and drove me to the ER and then stuck around next to my bed until things looked OK. I did know their name and address, but it was just to pick up the remains of my bike a few days later. They were rich and I was poor so there wasn’t much I could offer them as a thank you.

About three years later I was answering the phones at the office, and someone called for a boss who was out. I took their info and it turned out to be the guy who took me to the hospital, so we got to catch up with each other for a bit and I thanked him again. A really super nice guy.

The person who threw open their car door griped at me the next day while I was back looking for my keys. She was mad that I’d screwed up the alignment of her door.

I haven’t done much riding in large cities, but this scenario of a door opening is something I’ve wondered about. I had a riding mate who told me that when he was a courier in a big city he got clipped by a truck’s side mirror and went down hard.


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