Watch Live: Confirmation Hearing for Supreme Court Nominee Judge Amy Coney Barrett (Day 2)

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I have to post these videos because even though the conclusion is not in question, we should witness the Republican Party at its absolute worst.

As I write this, Ted Cruz is spewing insane lies about Christians being “persecuted” by Democrats.

Senate Judiciary Committee Confirmation hearing for Supreme Court nominee Judge Amy Coney Barrett (day 2) - LIVE at 9am ET on C-SPAN, C-SPAN Radio & online at re: https://cs.pn/3jUlKej

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:40:12am

From downstairs:

re: #396 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Yeah, this isn’t your traditional confirmation hearing, this is a kangaroo committee and everybody knows it. Amy Coney Barrett is effectively pleading the 5th on every single question, and the Judiciary Committee will vote to send her to the floor no matter how bad she makes herself look.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:40:48am

Get out the vote, just in case it’s your last chance.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:41:25am

re: #394 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Fuck you Marsha, go back to Russia with your antisemitic bullshit.

Her tweet needs to be reported to Twitter, so the libertarians who run it can ignore the report.

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IngisKahn  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:41:40am

Her dead eyes…

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:44:01am

If she’s such an originalist, wouldn’t her being a woman make her ineligible for this job? That also fits her religious nonsense about women being subservient to men.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:46:21am

re: #5 A Mom Anon

If she’s such an originalist, wouldn’t her being a woman make her ineligible for this job? That also fits her religious nonsense about women being subservient to men.

The Senate’s questions should really be directed to her decision-maker, but he’s out doing a man’s job.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:46:48am

re: #5 A Mom Anon

If she’s such an originalist, wouldn’t her being a woman make her ineligible for this job? That also fits her religious nonsense about women being subservient to men.

I wish someone would ask her that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:47:06am

Every time I think that if it weren’t for the BernieBros in 2016, the court would be at least 5-4 or maybe 6-3 liberal, I recall the Republican Senators who said in 2016 that they might not vote to confirm any of her judicial appointments. It’s possible that a Hillary victory would have included a Democratic Senate, but if not our nation would have been in dire straits from the day she took office. So let us see what happens in November. If we are triumphant across the board, we can begin to repair our nation and the courts.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:47:23am

re: #7 Belafon

I was yelling it at the TV yesterday, lol.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:48:27am

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dangerman  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:50:29am

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) was pretty effective reading back quotes from Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), and Sen. Mitch McConnell’s (R-KY) words against them in pushing to confirm a Supreme Court justice close to a presidential election.

Said Whitehouse: “There is a lot of hard-to-explain hypocrisy and rush taking place.”

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William Lewis  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:53:11am

re: #8 Hecuba’s daughter

Every time I think that if it weren’t for the BernieBros in 2016, the court would be at least 5-4 or maybe 6-3 liberal, I recall the Republican Senators who said in 2016 that they might not vote to confirm any of her judicial appointments. It’s possible that a Hillary victory would have included a Democratic Senate, but if not our nation would have been in dire straits from the day she took office. So let us see what happens in November. If we are triumphant across the board, we can begin to repair our nation and the courts.

Much as I despise the Bernie Bros, it had far more to do with 30+ years of hateful propaganda against the Clintons and Hillary in specific. I know a lot of people who weren’t all that excited by Trump but would not/could not vote for Hillary. I can’t get too high on my horse about it given my voting for Reagan because I could not bring myself to vote for Mondale.

No, even if she’d been elected we’d have a SCOTUS with x fewer members and only hoping that the midterms brought out anger against Moscow’s Mitch for doing so. Given what has happened in reality? That’s a vain hope.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:53:50am

I really hate this racist CENSORED!

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:55:56am

re: #3 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Her tweet needs to be reported to Twitter, so the libertarians who run it can ignore the report.

And when Jews like me do that @jack blocks me from making further reports.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:56:35am
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plansbandc  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:57:04am

re: #5 A Mom Anon

Stone Kettle just pointed out that idiocy.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:57:44am
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Decatur Deb  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:58:08am

re: #14 🌹UOJB!

And when Jews like me do that @jack blocks me from making further reports.

You say that as though it were a bad thing.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 10:58:35am
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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:04:36am
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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:06:52am
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:07:18am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:11:11am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:12:24am

re: #22 Patricia Kayden

It would all be in the dock: Roe v Wade, Griswold v Connecticut, Eisenstadt v Baird, Obergefell v Hodges, Loving v Virginia, Brown v Board.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:13:35am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

It would all be in the dock: Roe v Wade, Griswold v Connecticut, Eisenstadt v Baird, Obergefell v Hodges, Loving v Virginia, Brown v Board.

Yep there’s a lot of the world we take for granted that judicial activists on the right have been itching to get rid of

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William Lewis  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:15:30am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

It would all be in the dock: Roe v Wade, Griswold v Connecticut, Eisenstadt v Baird, Obergefell v Hodges, Loving v Virginia, Brown v Board.

Not to mention finding GCA68 & the NFA unconstitutional.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:16:48am
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:16:52am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

It would all be in the dock: Roe v Wade, Griswold v Connecticut, Eisenstadt v Baird, Obergefell v Hodges, Loving v Virginia, Brown v Board.

Scott v Sandford

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:17:02am

re: #26 William Lewis

Not to mention finding GCA68 & the NFA unconstitutional.

Let’s talk about social security and medicare.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:17:13am

re: #26 William Lewis

Not to mention finding GCA68 & the NFA unconstitutional.

And if possible declare the 13th and 14th Amendments unconstitutional as unlawful restraints on commerce.
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:17:19am

re: #28 The Pie Overlord!

Scott v Sandford UPHELD

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:18:35am

re: #25 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yep there’s a lot of the world we take for granted that judicial activists on the right have been itching to get rid of

The flip side of that, of course, is that a solidly blue Congress in lockstep with a Biden White House could do a lot in a disciplined two years to turn more of these court-decided landmarks into solid legislation that even a 6-3 SCOTUS would have a hard time overturning.

I also remain stubbornly optimistic that a D-controlled Congress will investigate the shady circumstances around Kennedy’s resignation and Kavanaugh’s debts. I believe there’s something there that just maybe could force him off the court.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:19:47am

re: #32 i(m)p(each)sos

The flip side of that, of course, is that a solidly blue Congress in lockstep with a Biden White House could do a lot in a disciplined two years to turn more of these court-decided landmarks into solid legislation that even a 6-3 SCOTUS would have a hard time overturning.

I also remain stubbornly optimistic that a D-controlled Congress will investigate the shady circumstances around Kennedy’s resignation and Kavanaugh’s debts. I believe there’s something there that just maybe could force him off the court.

I doubt there is anything that could be dug up that would force him to leave the court voluntarily.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:20:21am

re: #32 i(m)p(each)sos

Even if the GOP loses control of the Senate, there will be enough Republican Senators to block any significant change to laws in this land.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:20:29am
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BeachDem  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:21:01am

Amy looks like she would really love to jump across the room and deck this asshole.

Edit—I am, of course, referring to Amy Klobuchar’s desire to deck Amy Barrett, in case there is any confusion.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:22:22am
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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:23:55am

re: #33 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I doubt there is anything that could be dug up that would force him to leave the court voluntarily.

But just maybe it could end with Weepy-Rapey doing his judging from a prison cell.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:24:13am

So they want a world full of miserable people is pretty much the summary of what she and her happy dancing asshole Senator buddies and the President want, right? I have NEVER understood this concept of taking rights away instead of expanding them. How is that good for the country? And really, is that even a thing the founders wanted? I get that the constitution was written by a whole bunch of slave owners that could have never predicted modern life or the huge population growth since their time, but were they really dead intent on keeping only rich white dudes in power? I didn’t learn that part in any civics or American history class I ever had.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:25:08am

re: #34 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Even if the GOP loses control of the Senate, there will be enough Republican Senators to block any significant change to laws in this land.

Not if we end the filibuster. Also, 60 Democratic senators is a REAL long shot, but not impossible.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:26:27am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:30:07am
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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:30:12am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

The very definition of Bread and Circuses. It’s all just bullshit. And insulting to anyone with two brain cells that fire in sequence.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:31:26am

Ben Sass is Powderpuffing

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:31:48am
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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:31:52am

re: #39 A Mom Anon

The rest of the world must be mystified at a country that celebrates the anniversary of its founders breaking away from feudalism, in which a third of the population spend their lifetimes trying to go back.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:31:56am

Just checking the local garage sale Facebook pages and noticed more than a few fairly new boats for sale. Wonder how many of those were at Trump “boat parades”?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:32:35am

We could be seeing all this again, if there are tactical resignations among the RW justices. On the other hand we could be lucky and Donald Trump only gets to create 3 justices because the American electorate was ‘disengaged’.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:32:36am

re: #45 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Fundamentals of Conservatism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:32:40am

re: #11 dangerman

“The situation is different than in 2016” is the reason for ignoring their own words about not rushing to confirm a new SCOTUS judge in 2020.

So let the Democrats promise they will not increase the size of Scotus if Biden wins and then simply state down the line that “the situation is different”.

What’s good for the goose…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:33:46am

I wonder if it’s possible that a couple of retiring GOP senators who are not up for re-election and therefore have nothing to lose, might torpedo this vote?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:34:44am

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if it’s possible that a couple of retiring GOP senators who are not up for re-election and therefore have nothing to lose, might torpedo this vote?

except that they would have to fear for their life from “well organized militias”

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:34:47am

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“The situation is different than in 2016” is the reason for ignoring their own words about not rushing to confirm a new SCOTUS judge in 2020.

So let the Democrats promise they will not increase the size of Scotus if Biden wins and then simply state down the line that “the situation is different”.

What’s good for the goose…

That’s essentially what Biden is doing, by refusing to answer the question and directing attention to the sham confirmation.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:35:18am

re: #39 A Mom Anon

If the Constitution had been written by slaveowners, we would not have had a civil war. Five free states joined in the writing of the Constitution, plus two that were on the brink of ending slavery.

I just can’t say how much I hate twitter memes. That’s what will end us, the repugs just spread them.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:35:23am

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if it’s possible that a couple of retiring GOP senators who are not up for re-election and therefore have nothing to lose, might torpedo this vote?

I don’t count on brave Republicans.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:35:35am

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if it’s possible that a couple of retiring GOP senators who are not up for re-election and therefore have nothing to lose, might torpedo this vote?

No.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:36:49am

re: #55 Belafon

I don’t count on brave Republicans.

Because there’s no such thing. Even the ones who pretend to be brave on social media or in public statements are known lapdogs.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:37:16am

re: #40 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

Not if we end the filibuster. Also, 60 Democratic senators is a REAL long shot, but not impossible.

Exactly (on the first count, anyway) - if decorum and precedent are completely out the window on the R side now, Schumer and the Dems can and should enter 2021 bereft of all fucks.

Being in the Senate minority is never fun. Being in the minority at the short end of a pissed-off D majority could be miserable when and if we win.

That’s what Pat Toomey saw coming down the road when he decided to bail after 2022, which is a terrible cycle for Republicans anyway.

It could be a long, frigid, super-unpleasant exile for a lot of Republicans. That’s why they’re fighting so hard to get Barrett in there while they still can.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:38:30am

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Because there’s no such thing. Even the ones who pretend to be brave on social media or in public statements are known lapdogs.

Collins and Murkowski have said they are not “Ayes”. Romney is Romney. Don’t bet the cavalry is coming.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:38:43am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:39:27am

re: #59 Decatur Deb

Collins and Murkowski have said they are not “Ayes”. Romney is Romney. Don’t bet the cavalry is coming.

I’m unconvinced either Collins or Murkowski will actually vote No when the roll is called.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:40:41am

re: #61 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m unconvinced either Collins or Murkowski will actually vote No when the roll is called.

May the pissed off spirit of John McCain move them.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:42:56am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:42:56am

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“The situation is different than in 2016” is the reason for ignoring their own words about not rushing to confirm a new SCOTUS judge in 2020.

So let the Democrats promise they will not increase the size of Scotus if Biden wins and then simply state down the line that “the situation is different”.

What’s good for the goose…

If the Democrats win the WH and the Senate, there will be enormous pressure on them to “reach across the aisle” and not do anything “radical”, such as abolish the filibuster or “pack the court.” But if they don’t, the GOP will take full advantage of that forebearance to obstruct and delay, resulting in 4 years of heartache and frustration. We do not have two parties who want to govern in the best interests of the country. The GOP is a fascist party, that only wants to wield power on behalf of the powerful. I can only hope that next year enough Democrats realize that before its too late.

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cat-tikvah  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:43:05am

re: #59 Decatur Deb

It upsets me that I have to root for COVID to take down Republican senators so they won’t have the votes.

I didn’t say I’m not doing that anyway.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:43:27am

re: #54 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

But some of them did own slaves, right? I didn’t learn that from a meme either. My point was that they were mostly trying to be forward thinking and trying NOT to be England.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:43:59am

re: #39 A Mom Anon

So they want a world full of miserable people is pretty much the summary of what she and her happy dancing asshole Senator buddies and the President want, right? I have NEVER understood this concept of taking rights away instead of expanding them. How is that good for the country? And really, is that even a thing the founders wanted? I get that the constitution was written by a whole bunch of slave owners that could have never predicted modern life or the huge population growth since their time, but were they really dead intent on keeping only rich white dudes in power? I didn’t learn that part in any civics or American history class I ever had.

They don’t care about the country or people. They care about power. That is the sole goal of conservatism, ever since it was defined by Burke.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:45:11am

re: #61 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m unconvinced either Collins or Murkowski will actually vote No when the roll is called.

If Collins votes no, it will be because Mitch gave her permission to try to salvage her campaign.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:50:18am

Here’s a McConnell tidbit I didn’t know:

He is from GA. At the age of two, polio paralyzed his left leg. His parents took him to FDRs Warm Springs rehabilitation center about an hour south of Atlanta. He has said his medical treatments nearly bankrupted his family.

Fucking sociopath.

en.wikipedia.org

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:53:03am

re: #47 A Mom Anon

Just checking the local garage sale Facebook pages and noticed more than a few fairly new boats for sale. Wonder how many of those were at Trump “boat parades”?

And I wonder how many of those boats are for sale to help pay for COVID medical bills?

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:54:51am

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if it’s possible that a couple of GOP senators who are not up for re-election and therefore have nothing to lose, might torpedo this vote?

Not.
Gonna.
Happen.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:55:00am

re: #54 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

If the Constitution had been written by slaveowners, we would not have had a civil war. Five free states joined in the writing of the Constitution, plus two that were on the brink of ending slavery.

I just can’t say how much I hate twitter memes. That’s what will end us, the repugs just spread them.

From the google:

According to Thomas Ladenburg, author of “Making the Constitution,” 25 of the 55 delegates owned slaves, including some very prominent Founding Fathers.

theclassroom.com

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:57:21am

re: #70 🌹UOJB!

Or just pay bills in general. A lot of people are out of work here. If they are back to work it’s either from home or taking lower paying jobs. Most jobs by the numbers, cannot be done from home, especially any blue collar ones. A lot of people are hurting whether they admit it or not. I’m also seeing a lot of high dollar home furnishings going for either too much asking price or dirt cheap because they aren’t getting responses at higher prices.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:57:34am

re: #69 A Mom Anon

Here’s a McConnell tidbit I didn’t know:

He is from GA. At the age of two, polio paralyzed his left leg. His parents took him to FDRs Warm Springs rehabilitation center about an hour south of Atlanta. He has said his medical treatments nearly bankrupted his family.

Fucking sociopath.

en.wikipedia.org

That’s very close to where my mom grew up. FDR was a hero around there.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:59:02am

Barrett just referred to her “integrity” and was not immediately struck by lightning, so it’s safe to infer that she doesn’t actually believe in God.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 11:59:38am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:00:19pm

re: #75 jaunte

Barrett just referred to her “integrity” and was not immediately struck by lightning, so it’s safe to infer that she doesn’t actually believe in God.

Or our move to attack and dethrone God was successful.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:00:38pm
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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:01:47pm

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“Doubtful of their efforts to get to Heaven, Conservatives returned to their project to build Hell on earth.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:03:59pm
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mmmirele  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:05:48pm

re: #30 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And if possible declare the 13th and 14th Amendments unconstitutional as unlawful restraints on commerce.
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Uhmmm, Amy Coney Barnett has speculated that the admittance of West Virginia could be unconstitutional and the 14th Amendment illegitimate to an originalist. This is from the Penn Law Review in 2016.

This woman is dangerous.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:06:08pm

Interesting item: The first yard sign went up in town today (not counting the guy with the Trump flag up the block).

The gun shop owner (an uber-conservative fellow) has a yard sign up at the gun shop for Preston Love, the Democratic write-in candidate for US Senate against Ben Sasse.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:09:49pm

re: #81 mmmirele

How is the XIV Amendment “illegitimate?” It was ratified by the states; by definition it’s constitutional because it’s part of the Constitution.

I’ve heard her position on West Virginia before. This might be a place where it would be good to have Senator Manchin ask her about that if he was on the committee.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:11:42pm

She referred to her integrity again. Really tempting fate.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:13:14pm

I’m really glad we have mandatory mail voting here so we don’t have to put up with this illegal crap.

On the other hand, he might just be harvesting addresses for continued grifting.

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plansbandc  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:13:32pm

re: #43 A Mom Anon

Which is why I won’t watch it. It’s a done deal and anyone who cares about losing every progressive gain over at least 50 years is only going to despair watching it. What’s the point other than to torture yourself/

For me it’s the same as reading or hearing anything tRump says.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:14:05pm

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if it’s possible that a couple of retiring GOP senators who are not up for re-election and therefore have nothing to lose, might torpedo this vote?

You mean like Lamar! Alexander? He’s thrown whatever reputation he had for being a moderate, sensible R down the shitter, and history will remember him accordingly.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:15:57pm

re: #85 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m really glad we have mandatory mail voting here so we don’t have to put up with this illegal crap.

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On the other hand, he might just be harvesting addresses for continued grifting.

You can’t just show up and be a poll watcher anywhere. And it’s pretty much too late to get the training and get put somewhere.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:16:33pm

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Any OTHER Dem Governors You Assholes Want To Kidnap For Trump? (Wonkette)

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Tim Walz (D-MN) crop up too, given that he also tweeted a “LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” message at some point.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:18:08pm

re: #74 Barefoot Grin

He still is. Warm Springs is now part of the state of Georgia’s Vocational Rehabilitation Agency, GVRA. My son went to another facility (Cave Springs, near Rome,GA) to learn to live independently and how to get and keep a job, drive, etc. The agency helps adults with all kinds of disabilities. His experience was good until a round of government shutdowns messed up funding and changed the program from adults from age 18 to 25 to all ages. The shift of the program become more of a residential evaluation place than actual vocational rehab. He met his best friend there though, who is a really great young man that struggles with autism, epilepsy and depression/anxiety. Before the pandemic he was a regular fixture around here.

That McConnell would then go on and try to undo FDRs legacy, among others is just another reason to loathe him.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:18:25pm

re: #87 i(m)p(each)sos

I looked, because I didn’t remember, and aside from Lamar there are only two other R senators retiring this year, Enzi from Wyoming and Pat Roberts from Kansas, and neither way do either of them show a spine and vote no.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:19:45pm

re: #90 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Tim Walz (D-MN) crop up too, given that he also tweeted a “LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” message at some point.

I’ll be stunned if we don’t find out Andrew Cuomo was on someone’s list. The gun humpers here in rural upstate NY have had him in their (I hope figurative) sights for years.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:23:50pm

Can We Please Stop Pretending about the Nazi Fortress Outside Omaha Now? (Goes to Seeing Red Nebraska)

If you approach Omaha from the west on I-80, one of the first landmarks to greet you is a fortress with a large tower sporting a logo for 88 Tactical, a gun boner megacenter that offers a suite of classes, activities, and products for police and wannabe police. And if you can’t quite muster a gun boner, no worries-they also for some reason run 88 Med, which gives testosterone shots to trigger-happy men who just aren’t feeling alpha enough. (Who knows, it could be medically necessary if you shoot your balls off at their range, but maybe not necessary if you just blow a hole in your hand).

Nebraskans Against Gun Violence and other concerned residents have been sounding the alarm about this business for quite a while, and usually an employee or fan of 88 Tactical will indignantly respond that the name comes from a local Omaha police code meaning “situation secure.” Because if it has a precedent in OPD code it couldn’t possibly mean anything Nazi-ish. Butter wouldn’t melt in their mouths, how dare you accuse them of embedding a white supremacist code in their name, why they never, et cetera.

Where to even begin with this 88 Tactical nonsense? Let’s just start by Googling. Do me a favor and go Google “88.” If your results were similar to mine and the half dozen other people I polled, one of the top hits is the Anti-Defamation League’s explanation of this hate symbol, and another top hit is Wikipedia, which explains its significance as a Chinese good luck number, a ham radio code for “love and kisses,” and its history as a Nazi reference.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:25:14pm

re: #91 A Mom Anon

He still is. Warm Springs is now part of the state of Georgia’s Vocational Rehabilitation Agency, GVRA. My son went to another facility (Cave Springs, near Rome,GA) to learn to live independently and how to get and keep a job, drive, etc. The agency helps adults with all kinds of disabilities. His experience was good until a round of government shutdowns messed up funding and changed the program from adults from age 18 to 25 to all ages. The shift of the program become more of a residential evaluation place than actual vocational rehab. He met his best friend there though, who is a really great young man that struggles with autism, epilepsy and depression/anxiety. Before the pandemic he was a regular fixture around here.

That McConnell would then go on and try to undo FDRs legacy, among others is just another reason to loathe him.

That’s great that there are such facilities, though I know that traditionally northern Georgia had a few schools for the mountain kids that were quite inspired (my grandmother was from Lookout Mountain on the Georgia side). You can read so much into McConnell’s soul through his ghoulish smiles and laughter over what any normal person would consider an inventory of his sins.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:30:39pm

Time for some creativity …

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:35:09pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:36:35pm

re: #97 jaunte

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Originalism is such a sham philosophy.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:38:40pm

re: #98 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Argument from Dead Authority.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:39:45pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:41:09pm

I checked with my county election clerk about what happens if my ballot doesn’t get here (it was mailed today).

The answer she gave me is under state law, any place which has mandatory mail voting, you can come in to the county election clerk’s office and vote in person. If you do that, the mail ballot is invalidated. She directed me to the Secretary of State’s Website where they cite the law.

Early voting in Nebraska began October 5.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:41:35pm

re: #99 jaunte

Argument from Dead Authority.

I find it arrogant A that they think they can for the founders’ intent and B it ignores the disagreements that existed within them. It’s just right wing bullshit for “ We want to have limited individual rights enshrined.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:41:35pm

Got my ballot… which I guess I’ll fill out today and mail.

I will miss not going to the booth. Since I started voting I always has a bit of satisfaction with going to vote, even on things I did not have any invested emotions (such as obscure ballot measures.)

The iconic images of people at polls are very important, I think, in building a shared identity among the populace. These sort of civic ceremonies are the basis of our shared culture, given the variety of religions with their own ceremonies in which only a fraction of the populace may engage.

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EPR-radar  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:42:39pm

re: #98 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Originalism is such a sham philosophy.

There are many good arguments vs. originalism, but I like this one for its simplicity:

The constitution prohibits “cruel and unusual” punishment for crimes. Should the standard for what counts as cruel and unusual be forever fixed to what was customary in 1789?

Yes is the only possible consistent answer for an originalist, but that is batshit insane.

No is the only realistic answer, even from an originalist. But this exposes originalism as a fraud having no purpose other than to selectively support the prejudices of jurists who engage in it.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:44:30pm

re: #99 jaunte

Argument from Dead Authority.

Dead ancestor worship. Fits well for people who worship a dead, nailed god.

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nines09  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:45:02pm

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:47:54pm

re: #105 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Dead ancestor worship. Fits well for people who worship a dead, nailed god.

Calvin was nailed to a cross?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:51:17pm

re: #100 jaunte

Versus a similar case in England called Somerset v Stewart (1772). A slaveholder in Boston, Province of Massachusetts Bay brought a slave to England, which never had slavery within its borders. The judge ruled an enslaved person could not be removed from England against his or her will, writing:

The state of slavery is of such a nature that it is incapable of being introduced on any reasons, moral or political, but only by positive law, which preserves its force long after the reasons, occasions, and time itself from whence it was created, is erased from memory. It is so odious, that nothing can be suffered to support it, but positive law. Whatever inconveniences, therefore, may follow from the decision, I cannot say this case is allowed or approved by the law of England; and therefore the black must be discharged

Somerset v Stewart (Wikipedia)

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:51:43pm

re: #107 Belafon

Calvin was nailed to a cross?

Hobbes looked on and said, that boy was nasty, brutish….AND short!

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:53:58pm

re: #109 Barefoot Grin

Hobbes looked on and said, that boy was nasty, brutish….AND short!

And he had bad breath…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:54:15pm

re: #104 EPR-radar

There are many good arguments vs. originalism, but I like this one for its simplicity:

The constitution prohibits “cruel and unusual” punishment for crimes. Should the standard for what counts as cruel and unusual be forever fixed to what was customary in 1789?

Yes is the only possible consistent answer for an originalist, but that is batshit insane.

No is the only realistic answer, even from an originalist. But this exposes originalism as a fraud having no purpose other than to selectively support the prejudices of jurists who engage in it.

Originalist apologists already have an apologetic for that. Originalism, being a subset of conservatism, is a religion. As such, they cherry-pick their holy books (in this case the Constitution) to avoid answering directly contradictory questions.

The way around it in originalism is that there are things in law which are allegedly outside the plain text of the Constitution, they are so entrenched in society that they could not be reasonably overturned (the conservative construct of “traditionalism”).

Presumably in Barrett’s case, West Virginia hasn’t existed long enough to be traditional.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:55:42pm

re: #100 jaunte?

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100% confident that Amy, Alito, and Thomas would all vote to uphold the Dredd Scott decision. Wonder if any Democrat will ask her to explain how she would have ruled differently.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:57:02pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

?

100% confident that Amy, Alito, and Thomas would all vote to uphold the Dredd Scott decision. Wonder if any Democrat will ask her to explain how she would have ruled differently.

“I can’t comment on any hypothetical which may appear before the Court.”

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dangerman  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:59:07pm

re: #113 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“I can’t comment on any hypothetical which may appear before the Court.”

really?

where in the constitution does it say you “can’t”?

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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2020 • 12:59:32pm

re: #98 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Originalism is such a sham philosophy.

I think there’s a place for originalism, as a starting point, to understand the intent of the provision, but it can’t be the entire analysis. Especially when you get into the competing views of how to apply originalism and whether you can/should consider only the four corners of the document or look to outside sources.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:02:00pm

re: #114 dangerman

really?

where in the constitution does it say you “can’t”?

Her argument has consistently been it would be unfair to prejudice a potential hearing, therefore she cannot comment as a neutral and ethical jurist.

More proof there is no God, as a hole did not open up beneath her chair and carry her screaming down to Hell.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:02:30pm

re: #115 KGxvi

Maybe a better way to think of this is that we cannot ignore history when discussing law, and that a founding document like our Constitution has to be understood in its original context before we can understand what to do with it today?

If we try to push the clock farther back on our legal system, we even have to get into philology, as it is not necessarily clear to a person in the 21st century what a word meant centuries ago.

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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:03:11pm

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Presumably in Barrett’s case, West Virginia hasn’t existed long enough to be traditional.

There’s a sect of conservatives that believe, just as the Reconstruction Amendments weren’t properly ratified, West Virginia’s statehood was not proper.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:05:40pm

It’s pretty clear, to me anyway, that the reason we got into this problem over fighting over a single seat on the court is because we have failed to do the political action necessary to create laws and Amendments that are necessary.

We see that with the Equal Right’s Amendment, which should have passed.

We need to amend the Constitution in several areas.

If you say that is impossible, then what you’re saying is that our society can’t really come together and agree on a basic standard by which to govern ourselves.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:05:51pm

I mean the long and short of it is that issues change. How do you rule on marriage equality viewing the Constitution through a 18th century prism? Not to mention, Judge Barrett herself would be ineligible for this very position using her philosophy. As I’ve said, I find it intellectually lazy and it’s a way for partisan judicial right wingers to justify their philosophy without admitting their contempt for the post 1950’s world we live in.

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nines09  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:06:55pm

To understand todays shit show and the smugness of an unqualified, but very well coached zealot, read this. Follow the thread.
And yes. The people we hope to save us are doing……nothing.

This is a week old and I think it aged not a bit.

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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:07:02pm

re: #117 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Maybe a better way to think of this is that we cannot ignore history when discussing law, and that a founding document like our Constitution has to be understood in its original context before we can understand what to do with it today?

If we try to push the clock farther back on our legal system, we even have to get into philology, as it is not necessarily clear to a person in the 21st century what a word meant centuries ago.

I think that’s a good way to think about it. I’d also argue that with respect to something like the Tenth Amendment, you actually need to look even beyond the founding of the republic. My argument with respect to the Tenth Amendment is that when it was ratified, the tradition of English Common Law was that courts/judges were responsible for recognizing the rights of peoples, and thus, under our system, it would make sense that the courts were given the power to recognize the unenumerated rights of people under the constitution.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:07:27pm

I think it’s a safe to say we’d definitely be a shithole country if Roe, Brown, Loving and Obergfell went down.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:07:35pm

Pretty short ballot here where I am. 7 elected offices (both federal and state) and no propositions or additional stuff. All the county and local board elections are held in the odd years.

The secondary drop-off boxes at local libraries became available today. So I’ll probably go and drop off my ballot tomorrow as part of the rounds doing various shopping errands.

(And I noticed that the signs I saw yesterday that I thought were for state-level Republicans are not on my ballot. So the state-level district division line is real close to me or I guess those people are being advocated as write-ins.)

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nines09  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:08:55pm

Amy Covid Barret.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:10:25pm

re: #121 nines09

To understand todays shit show and the smugness of an unqualified, but very well coached zealot, read this. Follow the thread.
And yes. The people we hope to save us are doing……nothing.

This is a week old and I think it aged not a bit.

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The messaging war was lost when we all agreed that we would need to fix the court packing the Republicans are doing.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:10:52pm

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

I think it’s a safe to say we’d definitely be a shithole country if Roe, Brown, Loving and Obergfell went down.

We would have taken a lot of steps backwards. And right wing judicial activists are fine with that because their Ouija board said the Founders didn’t intend that.

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Interesting Times  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:10:52pm

Co-sign - and while you’re at it, be absolutely merciless in going after the bad-faith both-siderist beltway trolls:

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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:13:18pm

re: #119 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s pretty clear, to me anyway, that the reason we got into this problem over fighting over a single seat on the court is because we have failed to do the political action necessary to create laws and Amendments that are necessary.

We see that with the Equal Right’s Amendment, which should have passed.

We need to amend the Constitution in several areas.

If you say that is impossible, then what you’re saying is that our society can’t really come together and agree on a basic standard by which to govern ourselves.

Part of the problem is that we haven’t expanded the Supreme Court and lower courts enough to keep up with the growth of the nation. The Court was set at 9 seats when there were 37 states (1869), the follow year the census would count 38.9m Americans. The current estimated population (as of 2018) is 328.95m people.

If the Court were expanded, the value of each seat (and thus the stakes of each vacancy) would be lower. I don’t know what the right answer as to the size, but I think 9 is definitely too small in the modern world.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:14:13pm
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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:14:17pm

re: #126 Belafon

The messaging war was lost when we all agreed that we would need to fix the court packing the Republicans are doing.

I also remember how we won the messaging war on gun reform, which got us nothing from McConnell.

The idea that somehow Mitch cares about polls needs to end on the left.

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nines09  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:14:40pm

re: #126 Belafon
She is unqualified. How can you blow that? It’s like Trump hired a guy to demolish the USPS and he’s still there.
Mueller was gonna…..
Just wait until….
Christ.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:15:13pm

re: #121 nines09

There is far too much deference given to the need to be “polite”.

And a fear that being harsh will cost votes is misplaced.

But again I get back to my old soapbox. The Democratic party is still reliant on voting blocks that in some ways are very conservative in particulars, such as religious beliefs.

I understand that many Democrats in office in districts that are composed of these cultural “moderates” (really they are conservative but seem to like the milquetoast term “moderate”) fear that they can’t be the flaming secularists that, say, we out here in California can be.

Yet I hope that time will keep undercutting the old ways. That as the old folk die off so will this hobbling of the Democratic Party.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:15:22pm

re: #129 KGxvi

Part of the problem is that we haven’t expanded the Supreme Court and lower courts enough to keep up with the growth of the nation. The Court was set at 9 seats when there were 37 states (1869), the follow year the census would count 38.9m Americans. The current estimated population (as of 2018) is 328.95m people.

If the Court were expanded, the value of each seat (and thus the stakes of each vacancy) would be lower. I don’t know what the right answer as to the size, but I think 9 is definitely too small in the modern world.

I really think 13 for each district is fine. I’d probably be more adverse if Mitch hadn’t pulled the stunt he did four years ago but fuck it, not my fault that Republicans can’t accept the modern world.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:15:51pm

re: #132 nines09


She is unqualified. How can you blow that? It’s like Trump hired a guy to demolish the USPS and he’s still there.
Mueller was gonna…..
Just wait until….
Christ.

We will not fix anything without voting the main people out of power if not out of office.

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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:16:34pm

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

I think it’s a safe to say we’d definitely be a shithole country if Roe, Brown, Loving and Obergfell went down.

There’s another issue that they haven’t quite figured out how to deal with. In short: what is the legal theory to declare a recognized constitutional right no longer a recognized constitutionally protected right?

The only way they can really overturn Roe is by saying that the 14th Amendment’s due process clause attaches at conception. They can’t really return the issue to the states as they say they’d want to. There’s just no logic that gets you there. And even if you could create one, that is a pandora’s box of legal trouble.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:16:57pm

re: #131 Belafon

I also remember how we won the messaging war on gun reform, which got us nothing from McConnell.

The idea that somehow Mitch cares about polls needs to end on the left.

I hold out hope that Kentucky kicks Mitch to the curb finally. After Trump, no one who deserves to get a fuck you from the electorate more.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:17:32pm

Qanon dipshits are after each other on whether Trump taking Regeneron’s experimental treatment is either abhorrent (because it was developed using foetal stem cells), “red pilled” (because he’s showing you what the evil Democrats are doing by bleeding babies of adrenochorme), or flatly denying it was ever developed using foetal stem cells at all.

Some are also complaining the treatment is similar to how some vaccines were developed (advanced by anti-vaxxer Qnuts). Breitbart is simply lying about it.

In other words, despite the best efforts of Breitbart et. al, there’s still no current consensus on whether the president heroically took Regeneron to save humanity, has become fully entombed in the belly of the Beast, or some third option. It seems to represent, at this point, something rather rare in the MAGAverse: a genuine point of disagreement.

It’s virtually certain that in the coming days, the sentiments around Trump’s antibody cocktail will coalesce, and these divergent, competing points of view will be absorbed into a more dominant narrative, most likely one that urges trust in Trump and in what his followers so fondly call “the Plan.”

By Tuesday, in fact, there were signs that the controversy, such as it was, was simply being allowed to die away, and that the details of how Trump was “cured” were less relevant than the fact that he’d returned to public life, appearing at a rally in Florida where he claimed to be “immune.” The future of QAnon, after all—a movement based on lionizing one man, putting him into the role of savior, leader of mankind, and, of course, tireless, extremely healthy strongman—depends on believing that, to the bitter end.

QAnon Fans Try to Explain Why Trump Took a Drug Developed With Fetal Tissue (Vice)

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:17:57pm
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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:18:22pm

re: #134 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I really think 13 for each district is fine. I’d probably be more adverse if Mitch hadn’t pulled the stunt he did four years ago but fuck it, not my fault that Republicans can’t accept the modern world.

13 makes sense for the Supreme Court, there’s probably also a discussion about whether the lower courts need to be reformed as well.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:18:23pm

re: #136 KGxvi

There’s another issue that they haven’t quite figured out how to deal with. In short: what is the legal theory to declare a recognized constitutional right no longer a recognized constitutionally protected right?

The only way they can really overturn Roe is by saying that the 14th Amendment’s due process clause attaches at conception. They can’t really return the issue to the states as they say they’d want to. There’s just no logic that gets you there. And even if you could create one, that is a pandora’s box of legal trouble.

Just imagine the HOWLING from life insurance companies if the corrupted court rules life begins at conception! They won’t write polices that cover that.

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nines09  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:19:29pm

re: #133 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Lincoln Project is a perfect example of what the Democrats need to do.
Have it 3 levels removed from the Democrats that are terrified to upset one person as 100 are smoked.
The videos, the words, the acts are all there.
The GOP has given you the ammo, have the guts to use it.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:19:57pm

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Let em fight. If I had the energy and time, I’d go to their stupid forums and fuck with them and get them to fight more. I’m rooting for injuries, on all their stupid sides.

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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:21:10pm

Ok, one more thought before I go to lunch… if judicial nominees are not willing to answer hypotheticals, we need lines of questioning to “understand their judicial philosophies and/or jurisprudence” there are ways to do this without creating hypotheticals.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:21:27pm

re: #115 KGxvi

I think there’s a place for originalism, as a starting point, to understand the intent of the provision, but it can’t be the entire analysis. Especially when you get into the competing views of how to apply originalism and whether you can/should consider only the four corners of the document or look to outside sources.

Is there, perhaps, a market for upscale leather-bound ABA Ouija boards? ‘Cause that’s the best way to consult the Founding Fathers.

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piratedan  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:21:29pm

re: #121 nines09

sorry, this is bullshit.

This cake was already baked before the hearings started and to imply that the Dems had the power to stop it is disin-fucking-genuous. It’s more voter suppression bullshit masked as political commentary.

Did we have the votes to stop Kavanaugh, nor do we have the votes here. The GOP doesn’t give a SHIT if she’s qualified or not, she is not auditioning for the nation and it matters not that the majority of the polling is against her (and IT IS). Her own words should disqualify her and the GOP’s own precedents indicate that she shouldn’t even have been nominated and none of that should be laid at the feet of the Democrats.

I’m tired of political reporting that gives no agency to GOP actions… you guys (the media) think she’s such a bad goddamn jurist, then examine who the fuck nominated her and expose where she came from and who put her in this position and who leveraged the opportunity.

The Dems didn’t do this, they’ve exposed her for what she is, but the NATION keeps electing GOP trolls into Senate positions, the GOP keeps right wing 17th century religious society fanatics on speed dial for like-minded judges who will keep people oppressed and keep ruling for big business.

just makes me want to take a baseball bat to people’s knees

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:21:49pm

re: #141 🌹UOJB!

Just imagine the HOWLING from life insurance companies if the corrupted court rules life begins at conception! They won’t write polices that cover that.

Think of the environmental laws we can pass, and watch Barrett twist herself trying to justify voting against them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:21:49pm

re: #141 🌹UOJB!

Just imagine the HOWLING from life insurance companies if the corrupted court rules life begins at conception! They won’t write polices that cover that.

I’m sure the airlines would be thrilled, they could charge a pregnant woman for two seats!

/

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:23:13pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:23:31pm

re: #142 nines09

The Democratic party is still deeply compromised.

When you have to reassure Catholics that Biden is really a Catholic because he carries around a rosary, how can you also fight for a truly secular approach to government?

Biden and the Rosary Beads

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BeachDem  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:25:04pm

re: #141 🌹UOJB!

Just imagine the HOWLING from life insurance companies if the corrupted court rules life begins at conception! They won’t write polices that cover that.

Well, back in 2011, the Georgia General Assembly answered that question—from a blog post I wrote in 2012:

 February, 2011
State Rep. Bobby Franklin of Georgia introduced a bill that would require proof that a miscarriage occurred naturally. If a woman can’t prove that her miscarriage-or spontaneous abortion-occurred without intervention, she could face felony charges.

Some of the more ridiculous/insane wording in the bill include:

“Justice Blackmun, writing for the majority in Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973),
wrote: ‘when those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man’s knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer [to the question of when life begins].

“The General Assembly knows the answer to that difficult question, and that answer is life begins at the moment of conception.”
legis.ga.gov

Yes, folks—you read that right—the Georgia General Assembly knows better than those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology. So who are we, mere peons, to question their authority?

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A Cranky One  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:26:58pm

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nines09  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:27:51pm

re: #146 piratedan
I have to go turn down the heat.
Later Lizards.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:28:29pm

re: #133 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

There is far too much deference given to the need to be “polite”.

And a fear that being harsh will cost votes is misplaced.

But again I get back to my old soapbox. The Democratic party is still reliant on voting blocks that in some ways are very conservative in particulars, such as religious beliefs.

I understand that many Democrats in office in districts that are composed of these cultural “moderates” (really they are conservative but seem to like the milquetoast term “moderate”) fear that they can’t be the flaming secularists that, say, we out here in California can be.

Yet I hope that time will keep undercutting the old ways. That as the old folk die off so will this hobbling of the Democratic Party.

Two eighty year-old men have a stranglehold on my county Democratic Party office. At no time during my six years tenure on my village board, as the only elected Democrat in my county, would they acknowledge I even existed.

I didn’t need much from them (for example, a call list, since I know everyone and I also have a telephone book), but I was not allowed to participate in meetings (except one, where they saw my long hair and said hell no) and the election watch party (where they wanted me to pay for part of it).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:29:42pm

re: #150 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Democratic party is still deeply compromised.

When you have to reassure Catholics that Biden is really a Catholic because he carries around a rosary, how can you also fight for a truly secular approach to government?

Biden and the Rosary Beads

And as noted in the Secular Landscape Survey which was just published, atheists/agnostics/nones now make up the largest bloc of voters in the party (as we really have no place in the GOP).

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piratedan  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:31:35pm

re: #153 nines09

not mad at you…. just mad at what passes as our passive/aggressive media and their framing of all things it seems. Sorry about the rant (and again if you felt it was you that was the intended target, not my intent).

I’ll go hide the soapbox under the desk for a few :-)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:32:38pm

re: #119 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

If you say that is impossible, then what you’re saying is that our society can’t really come together and agree on a basic standard by which to govern ourselves.

I agree that you have posited a truism.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:33:00pm

re: #151 BeachDem

So the proposed bill would require a woman to prove a negative (she didn’t have an abortion). Good to know. The same question Christian apologists pose to atheists: How do you know God doesn’t exist?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:36:14pm

re: #158 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

So the proposed bill would require a woman to prove a negative (she didn’t have an abortion). Good to know. The same question Christian apologists pose to atheists: How do you know God doesn’t exist?

The standard “a ha!” based on a complete logical fallacy. They’re mainly upset that you don’t believe in their irrefutable authority which they want to appeal to to win any disagreement.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:37:19pm

re: #157 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I agree that you have posited a truism.

Since the bar is 2/3 to get an amendment passed after the requirements to get it through Congress, that’s pretty high to set something that changes the constitution. And Barrett isn’t the only person who thinks some could be illegitimate even though they’re amendments.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:40:26pm

re: #147 Belafon

Think of the environmental laws we can pass, and watch Barrett twist herself trying to justify voting against them.

People with no morals have no problem being inconsistent.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:41:39pm

re: #72 Belafon

From the google:

theclassroom.com

Which is significantly different from “the constitution was written by white slaveholders.” I remain sick and tired by one-sentence “summaries” of history. My routine for brushing my teeth would take longer than that to explain.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:41:56pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

?

100% confident that Amy, Alito, and Thomas would all vote to uphold the Dredd Scott decision. Wonder if any Democrat will ask her to explain how she would have ruled differently.

Thomas would be stripping himself of citizenship sooo maybe?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:42:59pm

re: #163 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Thomas would be stripping himself of citizenship sooo maybe?

Thomas did say he would have voted against Brown iirc.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:46:22pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:48:50pm

Did you forget about Melania Trump bitching about Christmas?

The government didn’t. Barr is now using the Justice Department as her personal lawyers.

U.S. accuses author of Melania Trump tell-all book of breaking nondisclosure pact (Reuters)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department on Tuesday accused Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, author of a tell-all book about first lady Melania Trump, of breaking their nondisclosure agreement and asked a court to set aside profits from the book in a government trust.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:50:17pm

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

How’s this for a traditionalist argument?

The complaint said the Justice Department has jurisdiction in the case because of the first lady’s traditional public role dating back to Martha Washington, wife of the first U.S. president, George Washington.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:51:10pm

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

These people just love their fucking NDAs, don’t they?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:51:38pm

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And as noted in the Secular Landscape Survey which was just published, atheists/agnostics/nones now make up the largest bloc of voters in the party (as we really have no place in the GOP).

Linky?

Anyway, as a voting block still not large enough to set the direction.

The Democratic Party is more like one of those Jello mold creations of the 1950’s and 1960’s, composed of all sorts of bits of something edible but not fully describable.

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Weaselone  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:51:54pm

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

How’s this for a traditionalist argument?

How many times did the Justice Department sue people on Martha Washington’s path because somebody wrote something unflattering about her in a book?

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:52:05pm

Minoritarians at work.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:54:31pm

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Versus a similar case in England called Somerset v Stewart (1772). A slaveholder in Boston, Province of Massachusetts Bay brought a slave to England, which never had slavery within its borders. The judge ruled an enslaved person could not be removed from England against his or her will, writing:

Somerset v Stewart (Wikipedia)

Slavery existed in Britain in Roman times, mostly died out around the 12th century, and was rather rare but not absent up to that 1772 case, after which it continued de facto for a few decades, even though the law did not support it. (Slavery within the British Empire was abolished in 1833.)

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:56:45pm

re: #171 jaunte

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Minoritarians at work.

It’s interesting somewhat to watch the Republicans and libertarians I know start to squirm a bit when they get the various voter suppression tactics brought to their notice. (Very hard to toss out the both-siderism arguments when it’s pretty damn clear only one side is doing it. Though I see lots of hypothetical “The Democrats will do it if they get control in the state. blah blah blah” crap in any case.)

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:57:06pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 1:59:10pm

re: #169 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Linky?

Anyway, as a voting block still not large enough to set the direction.

The Democratic Party is more like one of those Jello mold creations of the 1950’s and 1960’s, composed of all sorts of bits of something edible but not fully describable.

More And More Americans Aren’t Religious. Why Are Democrats Ignoring These Voters? (FiveThirtyEight, September 17)

Right now, voters with no religious affiliation look like they might back Biden in record numbers. According to a poll conducted by the Pew Research Center in early August, 72 percent of nonreligious voters — a group that includes people who identify as atheists, agnostics and nothing in particular — are planning to support Biden. That’s 4 percentage points higher than the 68 percent who supported Hillary Clinton in 2016. And that’s a big deal, because despite being frequently overlooked, nonreligious people make up a sizable part of the electorate. An analysis of validated voters by Pew found that religiously unaffiliated voters accounted for one-quarter of the electorate in 2016, and 30 percent in 2018.

The unaffiliated are a key demographic for Democratic candidates in particular. More than one-third of the people who voted for Clinton in 2016 were religiously unaffiliated, making them just as electorally important for Democrats as white evangelical Protestants are for Republicans. Yet despite constantly hearing about the importance of white evangelical voters in an election cycle, Democratic politicians have been slow to embrace the growing number of nonreligious people who vote for them. Why?

(Because even so-called liberal Christians don’t want to acknowledge atheists have rights. It was only this year the Democratic Party put in a line about acknowledging we are an important contributor to society, despite forty years of lobbying for the party platform.)

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nines09  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:02:16pm

re: #156 piratedan

not mad at you…. just mad at what passes as our passive/aggressive media and their framing of all things it seems. Sorry about the rant (and again if you felt it was you that was the intended target, not my intent).

I’ll go hide the soapbox under the desk for a few :-)

Oh no. My bad. I start posting and the boil point is just a few degrees. Thus me not posting. I could…..
I did not take that as intended for me. You’re pissed, I’m pissed, been pissed for far too long.
My problem is I’m almost in flames and yet the very people who should be in flames have an “out” card.
Just growing old I presume. In my world paybacks were large.
I’m wondering where the paybacks are.

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A Cranky One  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:03:49pm

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Citizen K  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:05:41pm

re: #173 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

It’s interesting somewhat to watch the Republicans and libertarians I know start to squirm a bit when they get the various voter suppression tactics brought to their notice. (Very hard to toss out the both-siderism arguments when it’s pretty damn clear only one side is doing it. Though I see lots of hypothetical “The Democrats will do it if they get control in the state. blah blah blah” crap in any case.)

Yeah, that’s the block I always run into, and not just from Republicans but the lefter-than-thou folks (for some goddamn reason). IT doesn’t matter what actual transgressions that Republicans do long as you can imagine Dems doing the exact same things even though there’s never been a history of them doing anything like it. The illusion of both sides same thing must be maintained even if you have to completely invent Dem corruption to maintain it. And it’s wholly impenetrable no matter how hard you fucking hammer at it.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:07:33pm

This morning:

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nines09  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:07:50pm

And I do have to go but this is what I mean.
Now Imagine Covid Barrett and the wonders they can achieve……

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nines09  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:08:44pm

re: #179 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

What shithole country is this?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:09:16pm

re: #169 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Being Non-Religious in America (goes to a long PDF)

Tragically, we found that participants faced a high level of family rejection as a result of their nonreligious identity. Among participants under age 25, one in five (21.9%) reported that their parents are not aware of their nonreligious beliefs. For those whose parents are aware of their nonreligious identities, nearly one third (29.2%) have parents that are somewhat or very unsupportive of their beliefs. We found that family rejection had a significant negative impact on participants’ educational and psychological outcomes. For example, participants with unsupportive parents had a 71.2% higher rate of likely depression than those with very supportive parents.Nonreligious people in the United States live in a deeply religious culture where their beliefs are frequently stigmatized. We found that nonreligious people routinely face discrimination and stigma because of their nonreligious identity. Nearly one third (29.4%) of participants had negative experiences in education due to their nonreligious identity, and one in five (21.7%) had negative experiences at work.

Nevertheless, we don’t matter to the Democratic Party.

It is noteworthy when Eric Swalwell defeated Pete Stark in their California primary, he did it by attacking Stark as un-American because he is an atheist.

For all the praise Swalwell gets, I could never vote for him as a national candidate. He is a bigot.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:09:59pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:10:13pm

On the plus side, all the “originalists” on the court should reject the Trump administration’s attempt to not include undocumented immigrants. Since there was no such thing as an undocumented immigrant when the Constitution was written.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:11:14pm

re: #184 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Fucking hell. I guess Federal Funding in this country will be hopelessly fucked up until 2030 now.

FUCK YOU JILL STEIN VOTERS!

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Citizen K  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:13:27pm

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking hell. I guess Federal Funding in this country will be hopelessly fucked up until 2030 now.

FUCK YOU JILL STEIN VOTERS!

Nah, not in the entire country.

Just, you know, the parts that aren’t ‘Real America’. /////

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:13:49pm

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

A census must be conducted at least every 10 years. There’s nothing blocking a Biden administration and D Congress from funding a 2022 Census, which would also be a good (WPA-style) stimulus measure.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:15:34pm
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Citizen K  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:18:07pm

re: #188 jaunte

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More and more, democracy is just basically dead.

Unless we can completely upend the courts, and not just the Supremes but the entire federal judiciary, Trumpism will basically be God for a generation far as the law goes.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:18:41pm

re: #169 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Anyway, as a voting block still not large enough to set the direction.

Atheists/nones are roughly 1/4 of the whole population. How big a bloc do you need to “set the direction?”

With the retirement here of Senator Ernie Chambers, we have one atheist in the Unicameral, Senator Megan Hunt.

In a candidate survey for the Omaha World-Herald, she explicitly stated she is an atheist. Hemant Mehta interviewed her after that, asking her why she would out herself, as that is political suicide.

She noted she wanted to get that out there to head off rodent copulation by Democrats (not Republicans) in a primary, as she was aware of what bigot Eric Swalwell did in his primary.

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Florida Panhandler  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:23:00pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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A rubber stamp needs no notes. She is a rubber stamp for every radical rightwing fever dream imagined, including rulings that would otherwise make herself a second-class citizen.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:24:04pm

re: #189 Citizen K

More and more, democracy is just basically dead.

Unless we can completely upend the courts, and not just the Supremes but the entire federal judiciary, Trumpism will basically be God for a generation far as the law goes.

Shit, we’ve practically been an Oligarchy since the Reagan years.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:24:12pm

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Atheists/nones are roughly 1/4 of the whole population. How big a bloc do you need to “set the direction?”

With the retirement here of Senator Ernie Chambers, we have one atheist in the Unicameral, Senator Megan Hunt.

In a candidate survey for the Omaha World-Herald, she explicitly stated she is an atheist. Hemant Mehta interviewed her after that, asking her why she would out herself, as that is political suicide.

She noted she wanted to get that out there to head off rodent copulation by Democrats (not Republicans) in a primary, as she was aware of what bigot Eric Swalwell did in his primary.

Disabled people are also 25% of the electorate, but that doesn’t stop people from saying “we aren’t ready to accommodate you”.

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dangerman  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:24:21pm

re: #187 i(m)p(each)sos

A census must be conducted at least every 10 years. There’s nothing blocking a Biden administration and D Congress from funding a 2022 Census, which would also be a good (WPA-style) stimulus measure.

x1000

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plansbandc  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:24:34pm

You guys? I just saw my first Q sticker in the wild. It was on a mom van. Tragic I didn’t get to see the occupant, but oh dear Dog.

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dangerman  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:27:24pm

i dont care if they’re a quality polling outfit or not

17 points! DAMN!

A new Opinium/Guardian poll finds Joe Biden leading Donald Trump nationally in the presidential race, 57% to 40%.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:28:27pm

re: #193 Sherlock Hound

Disabled people are also 25% of the electorate, but that doesn’t stop people from saying “we aren’t ready to accommodate you”.

I wasn’t aware that the Democratic Party calls disabled people (a category which includes me) “un-American.”

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dangerman  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:29:38pm
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VegasGolfer  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:30:26pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I checked with my county election clerk about what happens if my ballot doesn’t get here (it was mailed today).

The answer she gave me is under state law, any place which has mandatory mail voting, you can come in to the county election clerk’s office and vote in person. If you do that, the mail ballot is invalidated. She directed me to the Secretary of State’s Website where they cite the law.

Early voting in Nebraska began October 5.

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dangerman  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:30:30pm

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:31:18pm

re: #196 dangerman

i dont care if they’re a quality polling outfit or not

17 points! DAMN!

Could be an outlier. Could be the next step. I saw poll today that Trump with a measly 53% in WV. Could be that people are eventually having enough. We don’t know what his absolute political floor is but one thing is for sure. He’s bleeding out politically.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:31:19pm
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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:32:21pm

re: #195 plansbandc

You guys? I just saw my first Q sticker in the wild. It was on a mom van. Tragic I didn’t get to see the occupant, but oh dear Dog.

“Out on the road today, I saw a Qanon sticker on an Odyssey…”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:32:34pm

re: #199 VegasGolfer

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She said she voted to remove both Trump and Mitch.

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dangerman  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:32:55pm

The Austin American Statesman reports that out the more than 850,000 eligible voters in Travis county, 97% of them are registered to vote in the November 3 general election.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:33:24pm

re: #162 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

Which is significantly different from “the constitution was written by white slaveholders.” I remain sick and tired by one-sentence “summaries” of history. My routine for brushing my teeth would take longer than that to explain.

Well, I don’t even get why you think there wouldn’t have been a Civil War. The abolitionists formed after the constitution, and were duly elected. A lot of them would have gotten elected in the same states, and would have pushed for abolition just the same.

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dangerman  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:34:22pm

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Did you forget about Melania Trump bitching about Christmas?

The government didn’t. Barr is now using the Justice Department as her personal lawyers.

U.S. accuses author of Melania Trump tell-all book of breaking nondisclosure pact (Reuters)

(more)

and now this

“The Trump campaign has suggested that Omarosa Manigault Newman, a former White House aide, pay for an ad campaign costing nearly $1 million as a ‘corrective’ remedy for her critical comments about President Trump in her 2018 book and in subsequent interviews,” the New York Times reports.

“President Trump’s lawyers filed an arbitration case against Ms. Manigault Newman after she published a tell-all book, Unhinged, in August 2018, arguing she violated a nondisclosure agreement she had signed when the Trump campaign hired her in 2016.”

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VegasGolfer  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:34:24pm

re: #204 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

She said she voted to remove both Trump and Mitch.

Yeah, and?

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:36:55pm

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Did you forget about Melania Trump bitching about Christmas?

The government didn’t. Barr is now using the Justice Department as her personal lawyers.

U.S. accuses author of Melania Trump tell-all book of breaking nondisclosure pact (Reuters)

(more)

Melania can hire a lawyer for that.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:37:06pm
A new Democratic poll shows presidential nominee Joe Biden with a hefty lead over President Trump in Nebraska’s 2nd Congressional District, and Democrat Kara Eastman holding a slim advantage there over Rep. Don Bacon (R).

A poll conducted for the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) PAC and obtained exclusively by The Hill shows Biden getting the support of 53 percent of likely voters surveyed, compared with 42 percent for Trump. Another 5 percent are undecided, will vote for another candidate or refused to answer. Biden has a heftier 58 percent to 33 percent advantage among voters who have already cast ballots.

In the House race, Eastman narrowly leads Bacon by a 47 percent-45 percent margin, while Libertarian candidate Tyler Schaeffer gets 6 percent. Eastman also grows her lead over Bacon among those who have already voted, holding a 59 percent-36 percent edge.

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thehill.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:37:20pm

re: #202 teleskiguy

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Seriously they think abortion is just something women do for shits and giggles. I’ll level with y’all. Abortion has always been an uncomfortable issue for me but ultimately two things make me 100% pro choice both legally and ethically. It’s not my body and the men and women who lead so called pro life organizations think abortions are decided to and performed out of pure glee by both patient and doctor.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:38:22pm

re: #205 dangerman

We could be looking at historic turnout guys.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:38:22pm

re: #171 jaunte

Rockwall did drive up voting at our library for the primaries because of Covid.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:39:52pm

re: #211 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Seriously they think abortion is just something women do for shits and giggles. I’ll level with y’all. Abortion has always been an uncomfortable issue for me but ultimately two things make me 100% pro choice both legally and ethically. It’s not my body and the men and women who lead so called pro life organizations think abortions are decided to and performed out of pure glee by both patient and doctor.

Jumping though a billion conservative hoops, morning sickness, poverty, then “yeah, I’ll shuck out $700 for an abortion because I have nothing better to do today.”

Folks really think that here.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:40:09pm

re: #173 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Though I see lots of hypothetical “The Democrats will do it if they get control in the state. blah blah blah” crap in any case.

Who are Democrats going to block? People in cowboy boots?

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:45:03pm

re: #208 VegasGolfer

Yeah, and?

Many have made mistakes in the past and eventually came to the realization that they were wrong and are now trying to remedy that error. We need these people and shouldn’t push them away but instead accept them with open arms. There are enough problems dealing with those who remain committed to the GOP and Trump; let’s forgive those who are finally seeing the light and regret their past errors (yes — those officials involved in implementing heinous policies maybe shouldn’t be greeted with the same acceptance).

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:47:16pm

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Being Non-Religious in America (goes to a long PDF)

Nevertheless, we don’t matter to the Democratic Party.

As an atheist, I find this to be annoying. What I expect out of the government is to not impose religion on me. And that’s how Democrats govern. I don’t expect them to govern in an atheist style. But properly putting religion in its place is how I expect them to make laws.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:48:01pm

re: #214 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

You can thank Bill O’Reilly for that to some degree. Forever ago, when he was on radio and TV, he came up with this fucked up scenario where some woman in her 8th month decided she was tired of being pregnant and scheduled an abortion for that afternoon and it was as easy as getting her nails done. Or words to that effect, it was over 10 yrs ago, so my memory of the exact stupid may be off a bit.

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SerialUpDinger  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:48:01pm

deleted - I am learning…

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:48:28pm

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking hell. I guess Federal Funding in this country will be hopelessly fucked up until 2030 now.

FUCK YOU JILL STEIN VOTERS!

Biden should announce the support of a new census count next year.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:49:02pm

re: #209 Belafon

Melania can hire a lawyer for that.

She has the wholly-owned Trump Organization subsidiary, The DOJ.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:49:02pm

re: #214 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Jumping though a billion conservative hoops, morning sickness, poverty, then “yeah, I’ll shuck out $700 for an abortion because I have nothing better to do today.”

Folks really think that here.

“And I’ll go through 9 entire months of pregnancy and schedule an abortion the day before my due date because why not!”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:49:23pm

re: #208 VegasGolfer

Yeah, and?

I don’t get why it’s productive to give her shit. FFS our host was an initial supporter of the greatest international geopolitical mistake in recent history. I don’t want Republicans shaping my party’s ideology but if you’re voting against Trump and his proxies now, I appreciate anyone’s vote.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:50:23pm

re: #219 SerialUpDinger

si.com
A well written article about several women in who played baseball in the Negro leagues and how they extend its run long enough to bring Ernie Banks along.

Bookmarking.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:50:43pm

re: #206 Belafon

Well, I don’t even get why you think there wouldn’t have been a Civil War. The abolitionists formed after the constitution, and were duly elected. A lot of them would have gotten elected in the same states, and would have pushed for abolition just the same.

Whereas it seems self-evident to me that a country of thirteen slave states probably would not have a civil war over slavery.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:50:46pm

FINALLY!

Nancy smacks Mr. Minus 4300 on Jeopardy down!

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:52:26pm

re: #208 VegasGolfer

Yeah, and?

While we’re at it, let’s kick everyone off this site who voted for anyone other than a Democrat since 1980.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:53:12pm

re: #217 Belafon

As an atheist, I find this to be annoying. What I expect out of the government is to not impose religion on me. And that’s how Democrats govern. I don’t expect them to govern in an atheist style. But properly putting religion in its place is how I expect them to make laws.

Honestly as an Agnostic, I thought Obama struck an optimal middle ground. I felt he was respectful and acknowledged our many religious groups that call our country home while also acknowledging that you can be American and not religious.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:53:36pm

re: #215 Belafon

Who are Democrats going to block? People in cowboy boots?

It’s a way to avoid any sort of meaningful discussion. They’re dodging the question with a hypothetical since it casts their lack of action, or continued support for the GOP, as something that is justifiable.

It’s pretty obvious to anyone with a shred of integrity that acting to prevent voting is essentially anti-democracy and against the stated basis of which this country is supposed to stand for. And trying to defend such a viewpoint is pretty much not a winning proposition. So a reason to claim apathy is the next fallback position.

And I know at that point to ignore the person at that point since they are not interested in having any sort of serious discussion or to modify their position. They’ve cemented themselves into an illogical position that really can’t be defended. And I’m not going to budge them from it via any logical argument (or by supplying facts and evidence).

It’s one reason I generally avoid most of the political/social issue discussions on social media.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:54:11pm

re: #225 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

Whereas it seems self-evident to me that a country of thirteen slave states probably would not have a civil war over slavery.

You think America would have stayed 13 states by the 1860s?

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SerialUpDinger  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:54:48pm

For a Black Man, the Negro Leagues Could Be a Trial of Resilience. Imagine Being a Woman


A well written article about several women in who played baseball in the Negro leagues and how they extend its run long enough to bring Ernie Banks along and lived long enough to see the rise of women in sports.
A Woman Has Her Dreams

si.com
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:55:23pm

re: #218 A Mom Anon

You can thank Bill O’Reilly for that to some degree. Forever ago, when he was on radio and TV, he came up with this fucked up scenario where some woman in her 8th month decided she was tired of being pregnant and scheduled an abortion for that afternoon and it was as easy as getting her nails done. Or words to that effect, it was over 10 yrs ago, so my memory of the exact stupid may be off a bit.

Congressman Falls for The Onion’s Planned Parenthood ‘Abortionplex’ Story (The Atlantic, 2012)

He failed up of course. After being defeated in LA-4, he was appointed to the Trump Administration as Deputy Chief-of-Staff (after previous appointments by Trump overseeing health technology and Commerce).

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:55:57pm

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking hell. I guess Federal Funding in this country will be hopelessly fucked up until 2030 now.

FUCK YOU JILL STEIN VOTERS!

I see no reason to believe that repugs benefit from this. Plenty of their guys don’t believe in telling the gummint anything.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:56:36pm

re: #229 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Ultimately, Libertarians do not believe in democracy. That’s why they avoid the question; they’d have to answer honestly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:56:58pm

re: #231 SerialUpDinger

A well written article about several women in who played baseball in the Negro leagues and how they extend its run long enough to bring Ernie Banks along.

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si.com

Hank Aaron was also on the Clowns.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2020 • 2:58:34pm

We had the discussion about the people voting for Trump in the last thread. Biden is leading in Wisconsin because a lot of Trump voters went “Well, we screwed that up.” As I said, they’re not going to get a lot of praise, but they will get a “Let’s fix this.”

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 13, 2020 • 3:00:13pm

re: #234 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Ultimately, Libertarians do not believe in democracy. That’s why they avoid the question; they’d have to answer honestly.

Yea. I’m mildly surprised at the Libertarians I know with children who essentially ignore how much educational issues are affected by national-level decisions. They concentrate on local politicians and local tax issues while in my opinion missing the much larger and more important issues involving education and the environment that are going to heavily affect the children they are raising within the next decade or two.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 13, 2020 • 3:01:49pm

re: #217 Belafon

As an atheist, I find this to be annoying. What I expect out of the government is to not impose religion on me. And that’s how Democrats govern. I don’t expect them to govern in an atheist style. But properly putting religion in its place is how I expect them to make laws.

Conservatives have worked long to equate “secular” (equal rules for all) with “atheist” (anti-American God hating liberal communist bastards).

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 13, 2020 • 3:04:08pm

re: #237 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Yea. I’m mildly surprised at the Libertarians I know with children who essentially ignore how much educational issues are affected by national-level decisions. They concentrate on local politicians and local tax issues while in my opinion missing the much larger and more important issues involving education and the environment that are going to heavily affect the children they are raising within the next decade or two.

Libertarians to me are like communists. Their ideological dogma matters more than what’s actually happening. I don’t agree with everything Keynes concluded about economics but he was right to emphasize the importance of real life data. With the Von Mises kooks otoh, their fantasy world matters more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 13, 2020 • 4:04:27pm

re: #216 Hecuba’s daughter

Many have made mistakes in the past and eventually came to the realization that they were wrong and are now trying to remedy that error. We need these people and shouldn’t push them away but instead accept them with open arms. There are enough problems dealing with those who remain committed to the GOP and Trump; let’s forgive those who are finally seeing the light and regret their past errors (yes — those officials involved in implementing heinous policies maybe shouldn’t be greeted with the same acceptance).

Some eastern Kentuckians are Republicans because their local elections are decided in the (closed) Republican primary. By the time the general rolls around there is nothing to vote for, because there are no Democrats on the ballot.

Bad to assume that all Kentuckian Republicans automatically vote Republican for state and federal races in the general because that is definitely not a given.


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