The Bob Cesca Podcast: No More G*ddamn Coney

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

No More Goddamn Coney — [Explicit Language] Anticipating the election with one week to go; The Amy Barrett confirmation; She’s been tainted by Trump’s stink; The middle names of all the Supremes; Expanding the court; The ACA and the Court; The top five things you can expect to hear on Halloween this year; Rocky Mountain Mike’s special election report; Trump is surrendering to COVID because he can’t do the job; The 60 Minutes interview; Surprise guest on our Thursday show this week; Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here; With music by Rocky Mountain Mike, State to State, and Sound of Science; and more!

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232 comments

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:03:53pm

Ft! Gotv!

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:04:33pm

And further up I-95 in Philly we are having riots. Here is the latest from the Inky:
inquirer.com

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William Lewis  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:05:46pm

In a CL’d mood, but from downstairs,

re: #72 Dread Pirate Ron

There’s an E-6B Mercury over California. I wonder if they’ll launch a Minuteman III from Vandenberg tonight.

I’ve read too much bad SF and Bond pastiche’s but - I find myself wondering where else that Minuteman III could go from Vandenberg instead… I really wouldn’t put it past that evil MF’ing Mango Moron to find a way to drop 3 170kt’s on New York…

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:11:49pm

re: #3 William Lewis

Never happen.

He has property there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:11:58pm

Coney = Rabbit

coincidence?

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Teukka  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:19:39pm

re: #4 Romantic Heretic

Never happen.

He has property there.

Possible insurance scam attempt? Semi-///

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:20:19pm
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William Lewis  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:20:34pm

re: #4 Romantic Heretic

Never happen.

He has property there.

True but get into Downfall mode?

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Dave In Austin  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:25:06pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had to add

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:26:49pm
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:26:54pm
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Dopefish: Ever hopeful.  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:28:43pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:32:08pm

re: #9 Dave In Austin

I had to add

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I knew you would!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:35:43pm

re: #10 The Pie Overlord!

WTAF

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oh mai…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:36:15pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:36:55pm

re: #10 The Pie Overlord!

WTAF

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Decatur Deb  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:38:40pm

Wife’s hip replacement went much better than expected—in 6 hours she was pushing her walker better than she could a month ago. Between us we have almost enough titanium and chromium steel to complete a Russian attack sub. When I asked the doc if there was a program to recover recylable parts from our cadavers he sort of backed away.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:39:18pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:39:48pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

You wanna know what’s worse? Nickelodeon fired a kid’s vote every POTUS election and

1) some people tried to game it with bots, and

2) Biden 52, Trump 47.

47% of children like trump. That’s fucking depressing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:40:51pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:41:24pm
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Dopefish: Ever hopeful.  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:43:22pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We already know his IT security is garbage. His Twitter password - you know, the password to the account that speaks with the voice of the President of the United States - was the same as his damn WiFi password.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:43:58pm
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Dopefish: Ever hopeful.  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:45:08pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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#relatable

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:45:40pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

I agree. It would be great if Biden were to win in a landslide. I for one would be very happy.

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sagehen  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:47:48pm

re: #19 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

You wanna know what’s worse? Nickelodeon fired a kid’s vote every POTUS election and

1) some people tried to game it with bots, and

2) Biden 52, Trump 47.

47% of children like trump. That’s fucking depressing.

Depending how old the kids are, it’s likely they vote for whoever their parents like.

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gocart mozart  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:49:18pm
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b.d.  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:50:26pm

re: #19 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

You wanna know what’s worse? Nickelodeon fired a kid’s vote every POTUS election and

1) some people tried to game it with bots, and

2) Biden 52, Trump 47.

47% of children like trump. That’s fucking depressing.

Trump says the words they get sent to the corner for!

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jamesfirecat  Oct 27, 2020 • 5:57:23pm

Here is how I stay sane with the current situation

electproject.github.io

Democrats 16,153,706 48.0
Republicans 9,784,075 29.1
Minor 200,223 0.6
No Party Affiliation 7,485,410 22.3
TOTAL 33,623,414 100.0

That and Texas is up to 86.9% of the votes cast in 2016 already.

With roughly another week of early voting to go…

There’s somethin’ happenin’ here
But what it is ain’t exactly clear

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:10:11pm

That whole tweet. Fucking unreal.

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William Lewis  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:24:23pm

So I’m re-reading the latest Harry Dresden novel “Battle Ground” tonight and the old MP3 player does it’s “random” thing and Moby pops up…

“Here we are now going to the South side
(To the South side)
I pick up my friends and we hope we won’t die
(Hope we won’t die)
Ride at night, ride through Heaven and Hell
(Heaven and Hell)
Come back love and I feel so well
(Feel so well)”

If you follow the series, it’s a goddamn great book.

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BigPapa  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:25:33pm

The world is shit by our original OG Wonder Woman Linda Carter doing her spin for us brings me a simple joy.

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gocart mozart  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:29:10pm
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William Lewis  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:29:18pm

re: #32 BigPapa

The world is shit by our original OG Wonder Woman Linda Carter doing her spin for us brings me a simple joy.

We humans have been blessed by both Linda and Gal.

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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:31:28pm

re: #19 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

You wanna know what’s worse? Nickelodeon fired a kid’s vote every POTUS election and

1) some people tried to game it with bots, and

2) Biden 52, Trump 47.

47% of children like trump. That’s fucking depressing.

Speaking as a former bullied kid and father of another bullied kid, those are the school bullies, henchmen, and passive enablers.

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Belafon  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:31:36pm
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William Lewis  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:35:01pm

Current mood, better than usual…

The Who - Love Reign O’er Me (Live Aid 1985)

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:39:07pm
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William Lewis  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:42:06pm

re: #38 Dread Pirate Ron

Every one of those fuckers needs to die of old age in a prison cell.

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Dopefish: Ever hopeful.  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:44:04pm

re: #38 Dread Pirate Ron

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The Wisconsin GOP is no doubt proud of the chaos they have wrought across the St. Croix. For my part, if I see a Sconnie with a Trump flag or bumper sticker, Imma punch them for the damage they have done on this side of the river. Their recklessness has emboldened our young and stupid to come across the border, expose themselves, and bring the virus home, increasing the toll the virus has put upon our people.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:45:34pm

Today’s numbers. Cases and deaths still rising.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:49:03pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:51:55pm

Winner Halloween Display 2020

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Belafon  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:56:57pm

I got my Halloween decorations and lighting done on Saturday, and it has rained or drizzled since Sunday afternoon, and isn’t expected to stop until Thursday. Had i known that’s all it would take to get rain i definitely would have done it sooner.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:58:21pm

So is the consensus that the tweet by Don Jr was actually posted by the hackers who got into the Trump Campaign website?

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:58:44pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 27, 2020 • 6:59:44pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

This is a different moment than anything any of several generations have seen. We rise to this or to hell with us. Defining moment.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:00:42pm

No holds barred on this one..

Cruel

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:01:49pm

Theodore Roosevelt:

“…Courage, intellect, all the masterful qualities, serve but to make a man more evil if they are merely used for that man’s own advancement, with brutal indifference to the rights of others. It speaks ill for the community if the community worships these qualities and treats their possessors as heroes regardless of whether the qualities are used rightly or wrongly. It makes no difference as to the precise way in which this sinister efficiency is shown. It makes no difference whether such a man’s force and ability betray themselves in a career of money-maker or politician, soldier or orator, journalist or popular leader. If the man works for evil, then the more successful he is the more he should be despised and condemned by all upright and far-seeing men. To judge a man merely by success is an abhorrent wrong; and if the people at large habitually so judge men, if they grow to condone wickedness because the wicked man triumphs, they show their inability to understand that in the last analysis free institutions rest upon the character of citizenship, and that by such admiration of evil they prove themselves unfit for liberty.”

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calochortus  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:01:58pm

According to the local news, Biden leads Trump in CA by 36%. Too bad we can’t share the wealth of Biden-love with the states that need it.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:02:28pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:03:47pm

re: #48 Kilroy was here

No holds barred on this one..

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There needs to be prosecutions.

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stpaulbear  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:04:50pm

re: #51 jaunte

That should make ‘em feel proud..

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William Lewis  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:05:19pm

re: #47 Rightwingconspirator

This is a different moment than anything any of several generations have seen. We rise to this or to hell with us. Defining moment.

We stand at the same crossroads we stood at in 1860. We went the right way until 1876 when even though the compromise put the better one in the office, it still compromised the constitution in ways that still cripple our nation.

We’ve gone over a century since, sometimes slipping forward, more often sliding back, the angels of our best nature crying in frustration at our lack of will.

Now as the moon grows full and blue, we have a chance to grab that damn brass ring finally and none of us know if we’ll have the balls to do so…

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:08:02pm

re: #43 I Would Prefer Not To

Winner Halloween Display 2020

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DAMN! I LOVE THAT DISPLAY!!!!!!!!!!!

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:08:39pm

re: #53 stpaulbear

Are there actually farmers getting paid who no longer have a farm? Or is it just Trump gibberish again?

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:09:41pm

Feels so good seeing all the Trump shit family members e-mail me going right in the junk mail folder…

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:12:08pm

Never Forget. Never Forgive.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:13:33pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:15:01pm

re: #59 jaunte

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It’s all one giant grift.

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William Lewis  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:17:42pm

re: #58 🌹UOJB!

Never Forget. Never Forgive.

Never give up, Never surrender!

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Dopefish: Ever hopeful.  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:18:01pm

re: #61 William Lewis

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God, how I miss that man.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:24:18pm

re: #61 William Lewis

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It’s personal for me because I worshipped at the Tree Of Life synagogue when I was a student at Pitt.

And I will never forgive the piece of shit in the Oval Office who popped a tent when his Tiki Torch thugs chanted Jews Will Not Replace Us. And that asshole said they were fine people…

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:25:17pm

re: #56 jaunte

Are there actually farmers getting paid who no longer have a farm? Or is it just Trump gibberish again?

I can’t prove that Trump is referencing this, but given his worldview I strongly suspect that he’s speaking in a coded but approving way about the viable grift of having a nominal “farm” for subsidies and tax breaks, which he himself indulges in.

But it’s also real problem in agriculture these days. Big companies are very good at soaking up government money that just becomes part of their income stream, and stuff like crop insurance fraud happens regularly.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:28:45pm
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🌹UOJB!  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:31:35pm

Nate tipped Georgia over to Joe earlier today and now he just tipped Iowa to Joe.

So Shithead Sonny can go fuck himself!

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Belafon  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:33:04pm

Maybe South Carolina is tired of Graham:

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Belafon  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:35:07pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:39:35pm

re: #45 Hecuba’s daughter

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:41:17pm

Philadelphia.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:42:03pm

re: #70 GlutenFreeJesus

I see a justifiable mugging.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:42:36pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:42:47pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:44:01pm
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William Lewis  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:44:35pm

re: #70 GlutenFreeJesus

Philadelphia.

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He’s really rather lucky I didn’t see him doing that. I wonder what he’d do feeling a pistol barrel in one ear and a whisper of “Give me a reason not to kill you right here and now?” in the other ear?

< whistles innocently >

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teleskiguy  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:47:20pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:50:57pm
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 27, 2020 • 7:57:21pm

re: #51 jaunte

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Socialism?

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teleskiguy  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:03:05pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:03:31pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

So unclear here. The more I think I about it, the stranger it seems that the Don Jr. tweet has remained there. Is there some reason for him to bear hostility to Moscow Mitch? Why hasn’t he deleted it?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:04:03pm

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

And further up I-95 in Philly we are having riots. Here is the latest from the Inky:
inquirer.com

I bet that has Trump really excited, because he thinks it helps him in a state he has to win.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:04:50pm

Lre: #80 Hecuba’s daughter

So unclear here. The more I think I about it, the stranger it seems that the Don Jr. tweet has remained there. Is there some reason for him to bear hostility to Moscow Mitch? Why hasn’t he deleted it?

Because he’s a coked up idiot.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:04:54pm

re: #70 GlutenFreeJesus

Philadelphia.

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Philadelphia Union League being stupid.

inquirer.com

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teleskiguy  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:06:12pm

re: #80 Hecuba’s daughter

Occam’s Razor, he’s dumb and he thought it was funny.

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danarchy  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:08:40pm

re: #80 Hecuba’s daughter

So unclear here. The more I think I about it, the stranger it seems that the Don Jr. tweet has remained there. Is there some reason for him to bear hostility to Moscow Mitch? Why hasn’t he deleted it?

Mitch embraced the Cocaine Mitch moniker when Blakenship used it against him in an attack ad. He even sold his own Cocaine Mitch campaign t-shirts.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:10:19pm

re: #31 William Lewis

Love that book. Tense as hell and with unexpected events.

I miss Karrin already.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:10:53pm

re: #77 Dread Pirate Ron

This should be a huge scandal. Sigh.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:11:02pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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I want to believe America is the country I thought it was on November 7, 2016. Please let me have that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:11:30pm

...

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:11:42pm

re: #26 sagehen

Depending how old the kids are, it’s likely they vote for whoever their parents like.

Not a scientific poll.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:15:47pm

re: #37 William Lewis

Current mood, better than usual…

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Great song by a great band.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:17:15pm

While we pay for Trump’s steak and cake at Mar-A-Lago, he works out new ways to make poor people stay hungry:

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:18:57pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:20:08pm

re: #46 jaunte

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The last great GOP president. Ike was a great Supreme commander and an OK president.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:20:08pm
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🌹UOJB!  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:22:50pm

Well I post a Don Winslow video link on my Facebook page and Marky Mark says it goes against Community Standards…Showing his pro-Trump bias…

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:22:56pm

re: #94 NO SMOCKING GUN!

One of my first political thoughts, in school in Venezuela among the British kids, was that Eisenhower was the American king.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:23:23pm

re: #95 jaunte

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Rogan is another toxic influencer.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:24:40pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:25:28pm

re: #94 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The last great GOP president. Ike was a great Supreme commander and an OK president.

It’s been downhill ever since. I get why Ike felt he had to run as a Republican but he also brought Nixon into the executive branch too.

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Jack Burton  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:26:37pm

re: #99 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Rogan is another toxic influencer.

Even before he went into Antivaxxer land, this is the best description of Joe Rogan’s “show”:

“Nothing that only men like is cool.”

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danarchy  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:28:10pm

re: #97 🌹UOJB!

Well I post a Don Winslow video link on my Facebook page and Marky Mark says it goes against Community Standards…Showing his pro-Trump bias…

I was like, why would Mark Wahlberg have anything to do with your facebook post?

Did you post any text along with that video link? Because I have seen that ad all over the place today.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:28:39pm

re: #102 Jack Burton

Even before he went into Antivaxxer land, this is the best description of Joe Rogan’s “show”:

“Nothing that only men like is cool.”

I seriously don’t get the appeal. Yeah he interviews a lot of prominent people but he’s such a dumbass and he gives airspace to kooky shit like this.

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Jack Burton  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:31:09pm

re: #104 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I seriously don’t get the appeal. Yeah he interviews a lot of prominent people but he’s such a dumbass and he gives airspace to kooky shit like this.

Another description of Rogan that I’ve heard often:

“Joe Rogan is an idiot’s idea of a smart person.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:32:38pm

re: #105 Jack Burton

Another description of Rogan that I’ve heard often:

“Joe Rogan is an idiot’s idea of a smart person.”

Ha that’s what I say about Ben Shapiro.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:32:55pm

On Brian Williams, a panelist (maybe Abby Stoddard?) said that Mitch felt it was worth losing the House and then possibly the Senate and the WH to get the 3 RW judges on SCOTUS and the hundreds of RW judges throughout the federal system. This is McConnell’s greatest legacy — poisoning our nation and destroying justice for decades to come. It will be hard to overcome this lethal toxin he has injected into the bloodstream of our nation. The chaotic evil of Trump is far surpassed by the deliberate systematic evil of McConnell. But this dynamic duo are working overtime to destroy our nation and our future.

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sagehen  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:34:28pm

re: #94 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The last great GOP president. Ike was a great Supreme commander and an OK president.

I think Ike was pretty awesome.

Troops to Little Rock, took the space program away from the military and made NASA a civilian agency, interstate highways, massive public school expansion, good follow-thru on Marshall Plan, highest marginal tax rate was 90%, kept the Cold War from turning hot, and the following quote:

“Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.”

The man wasn’t perfect, but his fuckups were very few. (most notable: “Project Wetback.”)

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:34:54pm
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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:34:57pm

Archetype

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piratedan  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:35:17pm

re: #107 Hecuba’s daughter

wouldn’t be shocked to see the Dems not only add SCOTUS seats but build additional federal judiciary circuits to help deal with the backlog and expand the judiciary bench holders to counter three years of federalist packing. Then go after the least qualified jurists that Mitch put into play and recall those that are laughably unqualified.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:36:16pm

Chaotic Cluster Party to replace GOP.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:36:38pm

re: #109 Patricia Kayden

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Her father also rages repeatedly against those who don’t kiss his ass. Princess Vanka can fuck all the way off with this shit screed. She’s a criminal just like her Daddy is.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:37:19pm

re: #98 jaunte

One of my first political thoughts, in school in Venezuela among the British kids, was that Eisenhower was the American king.

Ike was the 20th century George Washington, who could’ve been king if he wanted.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:38:16pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:38:26pm

Dodgers win the Series.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:38:48pm

So I’m reaching the end of the California ballot marathon — everything done except five local measures (Yes, I was going to get it done this weekend and I didn’t make it. Bite me.), and we have one judicial election. Both candidates are well qualified, experienced, no former prosecutors, established in the community — and gay.

So the times change.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:39:28pm
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retired cynic  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:40:33pm

re: #115 jaunte

Wormtongue

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:40:38pm

re: #108 sagehen

I think Ike was pretty awesome.

Troops to Little Rock, took the space program away from the military and made NASA a civilian agency, interstate highways, massive public school expansion, good follow-thru on Marshall Plan, highest marginal tax rate was 90%, kept the Cold War from turning hot, and the following quote:

The man wasn’t perfect, but his fuckups were very few. (most notable: “Project Wetback.”)

Good points. Ike was the last great GOP president.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:41:01pm

re: #118 Patricia Kayden

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I’d actually predict Biden to outperform his polls at this point.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:41:26pm

re: #119 retired cynic

“Atufamiento”
vocabulary.com

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plansbandc  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:41:36pm

re: #116 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Of course.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:42:16pm
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sagehen  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:44:52pm

re: #116 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Dodgers win the Series.

Jackie Robinson and Sandy Koufax are smiling, and high-fiving Kobe.

It’s a good year to be an LA sports fan.

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Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:46:14pm

re: #118 Patricia Kayden

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If I had a nickel for every time these past 3 months I’ve been told that the polls are going to tighten because (insert Biden “mistake”).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:46:21pm

Earlier tonight I saw a commercial on the WS for a Hummer electric vehicle. Who is the target audience, environmentally progressive toxic male chauvinists?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:46:25pm

re: #123 plansbandc

Of course.

Cash blew it by taking Snell out.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:46:31pm

re: #110 jaunte

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Archetype

How did they get there?

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:46:59pm

re: #129 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I guess the buses delivered them but didn’t stay.

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Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:47:23pm

re: #127 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Earlier tonight I saw a commercial on the WS for a Hummer electric vehicle. Who is the target audience, environmentally progressive toxic male chauvinists?

People with more money than brains.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:47:57pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

If I had a nickel for every time these past 3 months I’ve been told that the polls are going to tighten because (insert Biden “mistake”).

Biden is the generic Democrat; a perfect choice to run against Trump.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:48:02pm

“Hey, the campaign won’t waste money on a round trip!”

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sagehen  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:48:54pm

re: #121 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’d actually predict Biden to outperform his polls at this point.

Let us pray that the trumpers will be too sick to get to the polls next week.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:49:25pm

re: #111 piratedan

wouldn’t be shocked to see the Dems not only add SCOTUS seats but build additional federal judiciary circuits to help deal with the backlog and expand the judiciary bench holders to counter three years of federalist packing. Then go after the least qualified jurists that Mitch put into play and recall those that are laughably unqualified.

Can a judge be removed for incompetence, as opposed to criminal or scandalous behavior? In any case, it would require a 2/3 vote of the Senate, and even under the best of circumstances it’s not likely there will be 67 Democrats in the Senate. It may be possible if the judge is so egregious in their decisions that even Republicans would like to remove them — but probably not if they are being replaced by a Democrat.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:49:54pm

“”re: #126 Targetpractice

If I had a nickel for every time these past 3 months I’ve been told that the polls are going to tighten because (insert Biden “mistake”).

Bernie’s gonna destroy Biden at the debate, you just watch. I’m sure Biden appreciates in a funny way being underrated and seen as just Obama’s VP rather than the guy who ran five technically six successful Senate campaigns.

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Jack Burton  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:51:07pm

re: #109 Patricia Kayden

I’m anxiously waiting Ivanka to slip up on camera and start cursing like a sailor in her heavy Brooklyn accent.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:51:12pm

re: #134 sagehen

Let us pray that the trumpers will be too sick to get to the polls next week.

I don’t even need to do that. I think turnout is going to be bigger than it has been in a longtime and if that happens, we could be looking at the biggest Democratic presidential win since LBJ.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:51:52pm

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

Can a judge be removed for incompetence, as opposed to criminal or scandalous behavior? In any case, it would require a 2/3 vote of the Senate, and even under the best of circumstances it’s not likely there will be 67 Democrats in the Senate. It may be possible if the judge is so egregious in their decisions that even Republicans would like to remove them — but probably not if they are being replaced by a Democrat.

We’ve just had Trump for four years. There isn’t anything a judge is going to do that will get 15-20 GOP Senators to vote to remove him. Doubly so if there is a chance that a Democratic President will be able to appoint a replacement. The Swamp Party without Trump is still going to be The Swamp Party.

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Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:52:12pm

re: #136 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

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Bernie’s gonna destroy Biden at the debate, you just watch. I’m sure Biden appreciates in a funny way being underrated and seen as just Obama’s VP rather than the guy who ran five technically six successful Senate campaigns.

The memories of Berners insisting that Trump was going to “crush” Biden in the debates because Joe would fall apart due to his senility will keep me warm through the coming winter.

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stpaulbear  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:52:20pm

re: #130 jaunte

I guess the buses delivered them but didn’t stay.

They probably wanted to get paid while they were there and the Trump campaign didn’t deliver.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:52:30pm

re: #115 jaunte

fürchtenfreude

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Belafon  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:53:32pm

re: #70 GlutenFreeJesus

Philadelphia.

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Hopefully a 911 call was made.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:54:43pm

re: #140 Targetpractice

The memories of Berners insisting that Trump was going to “crush” Biden in the debates because Joe would fall apart due to his senility will keep me warm through the coming winter.

The funniest was when Bernie actually called Covid by the wrong disease and some Bro tried gaslighting by saying it was Biden.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:55:54pm

re: #142 Dread Pirate Ron

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fürchtenfreude

It’s why overturning ACA and with it the protection on pre-existing conditions is so odious.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:56:04pm

It’s a conspiracy.

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:58:16pm

re: #118 Patricia Kayden

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Unfortunately, five of the states, including Pennsylvania are within their five point “red shift” where there is a Republican Secretary of State. And it is already well documented that the Trump camp will do anything in their power to rig the totals.

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Dragonomics  Oct 27, 2020 • 8:59:40pm

High winds. Incredibly dry air. Fireworks. These pricks will burn down Los Angeles because ball game team do better than other ball game team. I am currently unamused.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:01:13pm

re: #148 Dragonomics

Yep.

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mmmirele  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:02:23pm

The guy claimed he was a “famous pastor” when he was arrested, so the Detroit TV station and the cops refused to release his name. Turns out he’s famous only in his own head. Yeah, he’s a pastor, but not famous.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:02:37pm

re: #132 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Biden is the generic Democrat; a perfect choice to run against Trump.

Which is why Biden was the right choice to flip MI and PA back.

I didn’t want to vote for Biden, but by the time I got to a Primary, which was early in California this year, the choice between Biden and Bernie was obvious.

My preference was for a Harris/Buttigieg ticket. I was hoping to see the wails of the gnashing teeth of the bigots over a women of color and a gay man being in power.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:03:09pm

re: #150 mmmirele

I hope they bagged him.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:03:49pm

re: #151 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

2028. ;)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:06:12pm

re: #153 GlutenFreeJesus

More likely 2024. Assuming Biden wins (not a sure thing), he will be quite old by 2024. I can see where Biden decides to not run for reelection.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:07:45pm

re: #153 GlutenFreeJesus

2028. ;)

I’ve come to like Pete quite a bit. The guy is just a hard worker. I just thought a small city mayor wasn’t ready for the national ticket but he’s a smart guy and I think we will see him on a ticket one day. I wanted to pair O’Rourke with Kamala myself. I’m happy with Biden though.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:08:14pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:09:28pm
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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:09:42pm

thousands of his supporters remain stranded on a dark road
thousands of his supporters remain stranded on a dark road
thousands of his supporters remain stranded on a dark road

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:10:16pm

If the Democrats take the Senate, and Biden wins, here’s something that definitely needs to be done:

A law that enforces sections 3 and 4 of the 25th Amendment.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:11:13pm

re: #156 Ace-o-aces

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I hope we get that Lonesome Rhodes moment. I despise his supporters but I want to see them turn on him.

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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:13:51pm

Need help with some research from any Seattle area Lizards out there.

Got into a discussion with a former Washington State LEO acquaintance. She brought up a few things I wasn’t aware and/or skeptical of. I’ve been Googling for the last hour or so with mixed results.

One of the things she’s claiming is that a candidate for governor is threatening to take away everybody’s guns. I’m assuming she meant the current Dem governor and candidate Jay Inslee. I’m having a hard time pinning this down. He’s strong on gun control, but I’m not seeing any “Imma in yur houz, taken all ur gunz’ statements. Anyone heard of this?

She’s also claiming gangs of “socialists” are running around beating up cops and people who associate with them in the greater Seattle area.

She also mentioned the East Seattle police station attack, where it was set on fire and people tried Quickrete the door closed to trap the cops inside. I hadn’t heard of that, although that looks to be true.

I’m approaching this stuff with skepticism because I keep hearing things like this from the few conservatives I know who swear everything’s true, and then when I look it up, they’re exaggerating at best. She’s a really nice person, but she’s definitely got a specific world view. Genuine fear of “socialism” taking over the country.

Also doesn’t want a “For profit medical system like Canada has”, because half the Canadians she knows have family members who died because the wait to see a doctor was too long.

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Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:14:47pm

re: #156 Ace-o-aces

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This is even more pathetic than the Election Night stunt by the Romney campaign of immediately canceling all the campaign credit cards the moment the concession speech ended, leaving hundreds of campaign workers stranded at what was supposed to be the “victory party.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:16:22pm

re: #161 Mattand

Need help with some research from any Seattle area Lizards out there.

Got into a discussion with a former Washington State LEO acquaintance. She brought up a few things I wasn’t aware and/or skeptical of. I’ve been Googling for the last hour or so with mixed results.

One of the things she’s claiming is that a candidate for governor is threatening to take away everybody’s guns. I’m assuming she meant the current Dem governor and candidate Jay Inslee. I’m having a hard time pinning this down. He’s strong on gun control, but I’m not seeing any “Imma in yur houz, taken all ur gunz’ statements. Anyone heard of this?

She’s also claiming gangs of “socialists” are running beating up cops and people who associate with them.

She also mentioned the East Seattle police station attack, where it was set on fire and people tried Quickrete the door closed to trap the cops inside. I hadn’t heard of that, although that looks to be true.

I’m approaching this stuff with skepticism because I keep hearing stuff from the few conservatives I know who swear everything’s true, and then when I look it up, they’re exaggerating at best. She’s a really nice person, but she’s definitely got a specific world view. Genuine fear of “socialism” taking over the country.

Also doesn’t want a “For profit medical system like Canada has”, because half the Canadians she knows have family members who died because the wait to see a doctor was too long.

Honestly? I’d just ignore someone who believes shit like that. My best friend was convinced that Obama was coming for his guns. It never occurred to him that gun ownership including his own went up under Obama. There are some people that you just can’t even with.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:16:35pm

re: #161 Mattand

One of the things she’s claiming is that a candidate for governor is threatening to take away everybody’s guns.

That right there is a sign that not all the marbles are in place.

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gwangung  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:16:47pm

re: #161 Mattand

Need help with some research from any Seattle area Lizards out there.

Got into a discussion with a former Washington State LEO acquaintance. She brought up a few things I wasn’t aware and/or skeptical of. I’ve been Googling for the last hour or so with mixed results.

One of the things she’s claiming is that a candidate for governor is threatening to take away everybody’s guns. I’m assuming she meant the current Dem governor and candidate Jay Inslee. I’m having a hard time pinning this down. He’s strong on gun control, but I’m not seeing any “Imma in yur houz, taken all ur gunz’ statements. Anyone heard of this?

She’s also claiming gangs of “socialists” are running beating up cops and people who associate with them.

She also mentioned the East Seattle police station attack, where it was set on fire and people tried Quickrete the door closed to trap the cops inside. I hadn’t heard of that, although that looks to be true.

I’m approaching this stuff with skepticism because I keep hearing stuff from the few conservatives I know who swear everything’s true, and then when I look it up, they’re exaggerating at best. She’s a really nice person, but she’s definitely got a specific world view. Genuine fear of “socialism” taking over the country.

Also doesn’t want a “For profit medical system like Canada has”, because half the Canadians she knows have family members who died because the wait to see a doctor was too long.

I live just north of Seattle. My nephew lived three blocks away from ground zero.

Don’t know of ANY gun control measure with any teeth.

Cops were long gone before the fires were set.

And the only gang running beating up people were white supremacists.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:17:35pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

This is even more pathetic than the Election Night stunt by the Romney campaign of immediately canceling all the campaign credit cards the moment the concession speech ended, leaving hundreds of campaign workers stranded at what was supposed to be the “victory party.”

Mitt is often just Trump with better hair, a family that actually loves him, & who actually understands scripture.

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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:17:38pm

re: #164 jaunte

That right there is a sign that not all the marbles are in place.

That’s not really true. I’m highly skeptical of what she’s saying, and there’s little doubt of what side of the fence she’s on politically, but she’s not nuts.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:18:12pm

re: #161 Mattand

Also doesn’t want a “For profit medical system like Canada has”, because half the Canadians she knows have family members who died because the wait to see a doctor was too long.

Is that worded correctly?

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Dragonomics  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:18:15pm

re: #149 jaunte

Grrr… that’s my fear. A juniper roman candle igniting an apartment building. And now, sirens from any number of directions. But, I should say, that’s not too unusual.

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teleskiguy  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:18:33pm
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gwangung  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:18:38pm

re: #167 Mattand

That’s not really true. I’m highly skeptical of what she’s saying, and there’s little doubt of what side of the fence she’s on politically, but she’s not nuts.

Yeah, but the people who are lying to her are nuts.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:18:48pm
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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:19:09pm

re: #167 Mattand

Well let’s say she’s eager to believe things without sufficient evidence.

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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:21:10pm

re: #165 gwangung

I live just north of Seattle. My nephew lived three blocks away from ground zero.

Don’t know of ANY gun control measure with any teeth.

Cops were long gone before the fires were set.

And the only gang running beating up people were white supremacists.

Appreciate it. The whole “Burn the cops alive” story has some non-conservative reporting on it, and there is video, but not a whole hell of lot of it. I was kinda surprised, because I figured that kind of horror would have been plastered all over the web; aka the “It bleeds, it leads” mandate.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:21:35pm

My belief is that we should not ignore people who state obviously delusional things.

Instead, confront them. By confront I do not mean being aggressive and offensive to them; a better approach is just to ask them questions, probing questions, about their statements.

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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:21:46pm

re: #168 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Is that worded correctly?

Yeah, unfortunately. The part of the conversation was a bit of a struggle.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:22:40pm

re: #176 Mattand

Yeah, unfortunately. The part of the conversation was a bit of a struggle.

So as an example to my immediately prior post, I would ask her what she means by “for profit”.

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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:23:52pm

re: #171 gwangung

Yeah, but the people who are lying to her are nuts.

That’s where I’m at a disadvantage. She’s still got a lot of contacts in law enforcement in the area. I can’t summarily dismiss this stuff because I don’t live there and am not part of the community.

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gocart mozart  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:24:17pm

Wheels within wheels

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:26:05pm

Lre: #179 gocart mozart

Wheels within wheels

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Yeah I remember the Foster shit and I think Burton ended running a House committee too. So much of this rot comes from Gingrich and what should be called the Republican Devolution of 1994.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:27:11pm

re: #179 gocart mozart

Looks like a mug shot.

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sagehen  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:27:25pm

re: #178 Mattand

That’s where I’m at a disadvantage. She’s still got a lot of contacts in law enforcement in the area. I can’t summarily dismiss this stuff because I don’t live there and am not part of the community.

And NYC cops claimed that Shake Shack tried to poison them, and Starbucks wrote “pig” on their coffee order. Cops say a lot of things.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:28:03pm
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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:28:23pm

re: #177 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So as an example to my immediately prior post, I would ask her what she means by “for profit”.

Honestly, I don’t know. I think she just got confused. Maybe she heard that state-run med systems like in the UK, Canada, et. al., try to make a profit?

Hard to say. I did get the classic American “Well, I heard you have to wait two years to see a doctor if a Wendigo bites your arm off” dismissal of the Canadian system. The whole delusion that healthcare is just as bad in the rest of the industrialized world as it is here.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:29:13pm

re: #183 jaunte

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42 does seem like Trump’s floor. Can’t see his ceiling being higher than 46.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:31:50pm
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NetworkKed  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:32:06pm

re: #178 Mattand

That’s where I’m at a disadvantage. She’s still got a lot of contacts in law enforcement in the area. I can’t summarily dismiss this stuff because I don’t live there and am not part of the community.

So I was doing some work in the basement of a local police agency a few years back. Had to walk through the back of a meeting/training room to get to the gear. And one afternoon they had this guy come in and do a slide show about “current threats”. And it was the worst sort of Bircher Red-scare bullshit, basically just intel-agencied-up rehashes of what the Fox crowd thought the immigrants and lefties got up to in their spare time.

I’ve heard things since then about private companies that do these briefings - it’s another marketplace that’s gotten dominated by right-wing liars. And of course there are the private Facebook groups for police which are just as awful as you’ve heard. So when local LEO talk about this shit, I know full well that it could be something they legit heard at work, and and genuinely bullshit at the same time.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:33:23pm

Trump’s out, and his supporters are having to fend for themselves.

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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:35:11pm

re: #188 jaunte

Trump’s out, and his supporters are having to fend for themselves.

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I will never forgive any Trump supporter for worshipping that monster and helping to put him in power, but that is just awful. Sickening.

I’m genuinely sad to hear that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:35:31pm

re: #188 jaunte

Trump’s out, and his supporters are having to fend for themselves.

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He treats his own supporters like garbage. I don’t feel particularly sympathetic but he’s a worse person than he is President and that’s saying a lot.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:35:45pm

re: #166 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Well, not the “don’t bear false witness” part of scripture.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:36:04pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:36:52pm

re: #189 Mattand

I will never forgive any Trump supporter for worshipping that monster and helping to put him in power, but that is just awful. Sickening.

I’m genuinely sad to hear that.

It’s like they’re just props for him. One day, I think some of them will realize the truth and I hope they make his and his heirs’ lives hell.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:39:16pm

re: #191 The Ghost of a Flea

Well, not the “don’t bear false witness” part of scripture.

Yeah he lied about Obama’s record and character. It pisses me off seeing the never Trumpers act like Mitt was wronged by team Obama.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:41:09pm

I mean Mitt brought Grenell, Kobach, & into presidential politics. Mitt ran the most xenophobic presidential campaign I’ve ever seen until Trump.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:41:58pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:42:36pm

re: #188 jaunte

Trump’s out, and his supporters are having to fend for themselves.

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Gosh, that’s a real shame.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:42:38pm
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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:42:38pm

Aand.. I’ve finished with the ballot, except for copying to the actual ballot and walking it to the dropoff box. 22 state and local initiatives. Sadly, that is not a record.

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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:42:40pm

re: #187 NetworkKed

So I was doing some work in the basement of a local police agency a few years back. Had to walk through the back of a meeting/training room to get to the gear. And one afternoon they had this guy come in and do a slide show about “current threats”. And it was the worst sort of Bircher Red-scare bullshit, basically just intel-agencied-up rehashes of what the Fox crowd thought the immigrants and lefties got up to in their spare time.

I’ve heard things since then about private companies that do these briefings - it’s another marketplace that’s gotten dominated by right-wing liars. And of course there are the private Facebook groups for police which are just as awful as you’ve heard. So when local LEO talk about this shit, I know full well that it could be something they legit heard at work, and and genuinely bullshit at the same time.

I’m in an online group with this woman and another guy. They are genuinely nice people, but I know them well enough now that I can guess their political perspective: anti-Trump conservatives with a baaaaaaad case of False Balance Poisoning.

The guy in question was pissed off about MI guv Whittmer’s COVID response way back at the beginning of the pandemic. Again, another situation where I’m at an utter disadvantage in the conversation because I have zero education on the subject.

So after the Zoom call, I look up Michigan’s COVID response. In a shocking turn of events, it’s basically the same as what we were doing here in NJ.

I get so fucking frustrated dealing with people like this. Almost every goddamned time, the fucking reality is utterly at odds with the info they’re being fed.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:44:19pm

re: #194 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Many Never Trumpers are offended by Trump’s aesthetics. They want to continue the tradition of pretending that Buckley was saying something different than the Birchers, as opposed to saying the same thing in a patrician tone.

They like the self-serving, pseudointellectual perfidy equivalent of burlesque, and it pisses them off that their base prefers Trump’s Tijuana donkey show rhetoric.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:44:51pm

re: #200 Mattand

I’m in an online group with this woman and another guy. They are genuinely nice people, but I know them well enough now that I can guess their political perspective: anti-Trump conservatives with a baaaaaaad case of False Balance Poisoning.

The guy in question was pissed off about MI guv Whittmer’s COVID response way back at the beginning of the pandemic. Again, another situation where I’m at an utter disadvantage in the conversation because I have zero education on the subject.

So after the Zoom call, I look up Michigan’s COVID response. In a shocking turn of events, it’s basically the same as what we were doing here in NJ.

I get so fucking frustrated dealing with people like this. Almost every goddamned time, the fucking reality is utterly at odds with the info they’re being fed.

Trump’s been accusing my governor of shutting down the state. In the past two days, I’ve been to the gym and picked up chicken from Nando’s. I’ve had to wear a mask. Yeah? And I don’t care because this thing isn’t cured.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:45:10pm

re: #201 The Ghost of a Flea

Many Never Trumpers are offended by Trump’s aesthetics. They want to continue the tradition of pretending that Buckley was saying something different than the Birchers, as opposed to saying the same thing in a patrician tone.

They like the self-serving, pseudointellectual perfidy equivalent of burlesque, and it pisses them off that their base prefers Trump’s Tijuana donkey show rhetoric.

Agreed.

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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:48:41pm

re: #201 The Ghost of a Flea

Never Trumpers are offended by Trump’s aesthetics. They want to continue the tradition of pretending that Buckley was saying something different than the Birchers, as opposed to saying the same thing in a patrician tone.

They like the self-serving, pseudointellectual perfidy equivalent of burlesque, and it pisses them off that their base prefers Trump’s Tijuana donkey show rhetoric.

Basically why I keep holding the Lincoln Project at arm’s length. Regardless of how the election goes, they’re either going to fold up shop because they won’t have the steam to taunt him for another four years; or they’re going to start knifing Biden in the back for banning abortion.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:49:13pm

re: #148 Dragonomics

High winds. Incredibly dry air. Fireworks. These pricks will burn down Los Angeles because ball game team do better than other ball game team. I am currently unamused.

Yeah these nuts are firing off the guns as well as the fireworks…right when we had bad fires last night…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:50:45pm

Llre: #204 Mattand

Basically why I keep holding the Lincoln Project at arm’s length. Regardless of how the election goes, they’re either going to fold up shop because they won’t have the steam to taunt him for another four years; or they’re going to start knifing Biden in the back for banning abortion.

To be fair to them, they’re going after Senators too. I think they’re finished in GOP politics. They’re gonna be seen as turncoats and I expect Trump’s orange shadow to be on the party as long as he, Javanka, & Jr live.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:51:03pm

re: #195 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And Mitt’s Bain Capital made money off of the Clear Channel stew of hate-mongers.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:52:00pm

The sad thing I encounter is really nice people who are conservative but genuinely nice…but they can’t square the circle that the party elite are entirely cynical when they evoke small-town American culture and “tradition” that these people really believe in.

Being around them is like being around people completely invested in a confidence scam…I know a bunch of those, too…where they’re so positive they’re doing the right thing, and that people in the same group must be doing the right thing too.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:53:00pm

re: #200 Mattand

I’m in an online group with this woman and another guy. They are genuinely nice people, but I know them well enough now that I can guess their political perspective: anti-Trump conservatives with a baaaaaaad case of False Balance Poisoning.

The guy in question was pissed off about MI guv Whittmer’s COVID response way back at
So after the Zoom call, I look up Michigan’s COVID response. In a shocking turn of events, it’s basically the same as what we were doing here in the beginning of the pandemic. Again, another situation where I’m at an utter disadvantage in the conversation because I have zero education on the subject.

I get so fucking frustrated dealing with people like this. Almost every goddamned time, the fucking reality is utterly at odds with the info they’re being fed.

Rachel did a story, “natural experiment,” on her main page, comparing covid numbers in Kansas, where localities had the option of keeping or dumping the governor’s mask order. I can’t figure out how to link to it, but it’s on her main page on the msnbc site. Might give a rational human being that simple measures actually work.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:53:00pm

Weather is clear at Vandenberg so I expect the launch to happen right near midnight. Any late night Californian ought to be able see the launch. Look towards Point Arguello.

YouTube

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:53:05pm

re: #206 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

My guess is that the LP and similar Never-Trumpers want the Republican party of GHW Bush, some may want to go all the way back to Ford.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:54:22pm
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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:54:48pm

re: #206 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ll

To be fair to them, they’re going after Senators too. I think they’re finished in GOP politics. They’re gonna be seen as turncoats and I expect Trump’s orange shadow to be on the party as long as he, Javanka, & Jr live.

I really do try to keep that in mind. I just don’t trust them. Like I’ve said before, if it keeps Trump on tilt and sways whatever idiot fence-sitters are left in the US, more power to them. They’re still Republicans. They helped contribute in some form or another to the current hellscape (particularly Steve Schmidt).

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:55:06pm

re: #208 The Ghost of a Flea

Being around them is like being around people completely invested in a confidence scam..

Because they are.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:55:45pm

re: #204 Mattand

Basically why I keep holding the Lincoln Project at arm’s length. Regardless of how the election goes, they’re either going to fold up shop because they won’t have the steam to taunt him for another four years; or they’re going to start knifing Biden in the back for banning abortion.

I have no idea what they’re going to do after the election. I expect to judge them on a case by case basis (no reason to think they’re a monolith). For now, they’re the enemy of my enemy, and nothing more.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:55:52pm

re: #214 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I think “affiliation scam” is the correct term.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:56:01pm

re: #208 The Ghost of a Flea

The sad thing I encounter is really nice people who are conservative but genuinely nice…but they can’t square the circle that the party elite are entirely cynical when they evoke small-town American culture and “tradition” that these people really believe in.

Being around them is like being around people completely invested in a confidence scam…I know a bunch of those, too…where they’re so positive they’re doing the right thing, and that people in the same group must be doing the right thing too.

My mom has a cousin, huge Trumper. He helps take care of my widowed grand aunt, my only one left. He, his daughter, & said aunt always make us goodies for Christmas. He even drove down from Pennsylvania to ensure it was delivered because one year the dog discovered he liked kolbasi. He’s a nice person but it’s tough to reconcile because he supports someone who breaks up families and is so petty and cruel.z

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:56:49pm

re: #211 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

My guess is that the LP and similar Never-Trumpers want the Republican party of GHW Bush, some may want to go all the way back to Ford.

I’d be fine with that. They’ve gone backwards as a party on the issues.

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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:58:52pm

re: #208 The Ghost of a Flea

The sad thing I encounter is really nice people who are conservative but genuinely nice…but they can’t square the circle that the party elite are entirely cynical when they evoke small-town American culture and “tradition” that these people really believe in.

Being around them is like being around people completely invested in a confidence scam…I know a bunch of those, too…where they’re so positive they’re doing the right thing, and that people in the same group must be doing the right thing too.

God, that is so spot-on. I really didn’t want to have this conversation at tonight with this woman, but one subject lead to another, and the next thing you know, Canadians actually are dying from lack of healthcare.

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teleskiguy  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:59:03pm

He’s high tonight.

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Belafon  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:59:07pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:59:09pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:59:14pm

re: #215 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

I have no idea what they’re going to do after the election. I expect to judge them on a case by case basis (no reason to think they’re a monolith). For now, they’re the enemy of my enemy, and nothing more.

Jen Rubin is a former Republican who I honestly do trust a fair amount. I tend to trust the ones who hammer at Trump’s policies and his enablers not just his character. Doesn’t mean I want Jen writing the platform but I give her a bod. I like you see them as individuals. It’s going to be interesting to see what they do.

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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 27, 2020 • 9:59:49pm

re: #211 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

My guess is that the LP and similar Never-Trumpers want the Republican party of GHW Bush, some may want to go all the way back to Ford.

Hell, *I* would rather have Gerald Ford’s Republican Party than HW Bush’s or Gingrich’s, or Dubya’s or Trump’s.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 27, 2020 • 10:00:22pm

re: #218 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Unfortunately, the days of Gerald Ford (the last ok-Republican, if Eisenhower was the last good-Republican) are long gone.

Can’t turn back time (I’ve tried, but I’m pretty sure anything that exhibits the physical quantity we call mass can’t go back in time, unless lots of other things happen that are not possible.)

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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 10:01:35pm

re: #217 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

My mom has a cousin, huge Trumper. He helps take care of my widowed grand aunt, my only one left. He, his daughter, & said aunt always make us goodies for Christmas. He even drove down from Pennsylvania to ensure it was delivered because one year the dog discovered he liked kolbasi. He’s a nice person but it’s tough to reconcile because he supports someone who breaks up families and is so petty and cruel.z

LOL, some of my cousins are pro-union MAGAts.

“Let’s support the guy who fucked over South Jersey union people when we built his shitty casinos.”

Talk about Ghost of a Flea’s not being able to square the circle.

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Mattand  Oct 27, 2020 • 10:02:29pm

re: #225 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Can’t turn back time (I’ve tried, but I’m pretty sure anything that exhibits the physical quantity we call mass can’t go back in time, unless lots of other things happen that are not possible.)

Not with that attitude, you won’t.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 27, 2020 • 10:02:44pm

re: #217 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah, right now I’m alienated from most of my friendly neighbors because I don’t want to be around for political discussions; a lot of it is the frustration that their empathy runs out so fast.

But on the other hand, they just refuse to notice how conservative policy doesn’t do what it claims to; it’s always Others and outsiders that cause problems and make things not work. Because I’ve been an outsider and subject to abuse of power repeatedly in my life, I find it way too easy to imagine the conditions under which I’d be deemed an “other” by my community. And on the other hand, I’ve lived in the same place for thirty years and have noticed how people choose not to see the ugly things that people do inside their communities.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 10:03:21pm

re: #224 A Three Hour Tour

Hell, *I* would rather have Gerald Ford’s Republican Party than HW Bush’s or Gingrich’s, or Dubya’s or Trump’s.

The Nixon pardon was wrong imo but I like Ford the man and I appreciate that he stood up for Justice Stevens’ record. And it was fortunate we ended up with him rather than Agnew after Nixon.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 10:06:56pm

re: #228 The Ghost of a Flea

Yeah, right now I’m alienated from most of my friendly neighbors because I don’t want to be around for political discussions; a lot of it is the frustration that their empathy runs out so fast.

But on the other hand, they just refuse to notice how conservative policy doesn’t do what it claims to; it’s always Others and outsiders that cause problems and make things not work. Because I’ve been an outsider and subject to abuse of power repeatedly in my life, I find it way too easy to imagine the conditions under which I’d be deemed an “other” by my community. And on the other hand, I’ve lived in the same place for thirty years and have noticed how people choose not to see the ugly things that people do inside their communities.

Most of my new neighbors seem to be Biden supporters but I don’t dare bring politics up. I’ve had relatives I’ve gotten to know through genealogy expose themselves as Trumpers and it’s so hard to reconcile because they know in part through me our family’s immigration experience. I just don’t bother. If Trump comes up, I’ll condemn him but I don’t look for political conversation with most people because I think most people don’t get it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 27, 2020 • 10:08:49pm

re: #226 Mattand

LOL, some of my cousins are pro-union MAGAts.

“Let’s support the guy who fucked over South Jersey union people when we built his shitty casinos.”

Talk about Ghost of a Flea’s not being able to square the circle.

Yeah mom and Cuz’s grandad was an UMWA miner. John L Lewis and FDR were revered by my grandmother’s family. People like Trump who only care about themselves are why I’m a multigenerational Democrat.

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ericblair  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:29:28am

re: #198 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

When I hear politicians from either party talk about farming, I always think back to a faded bumper sticker I remember as a kid during the height of the 1980s farm crisis: “Trade Not Aid.” Farmers from all sides have long said they prefer a fair price and a fair shot over aid.

I’m a little more cynical. I think most of the MAGAt farmers are quite happy getting Our Tax Dollars funneled into their pockets, no matter what they say, whenever the crop season was too bad/it was too good and the price was too low/subsidized water, insurance, property taxes, fuel, and so on. They just like it dressed up a bit like it was a business deal, so they’re not happy when Trump acts like he’s leaving a couple hundred on the bedside table.


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