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In an absolutely grotesque hearing today, Senate Republicans are whining and complaining that the CEOs of social media companies are suppressing their ability to spread lies and disinformation.

This is how Republicans work the refs, by staging absurd circuses like this while the American people twist in the wind with no pandemic relief bill in sight. And the reality is that right wingers have pretty much free rein on social media to lie and propagandize to their ugly little hearts’ content.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:14:35am

They’re such out of touch fuckwits. Oh and GOTV and F Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:14:37am

There is a vote out there, somewhere…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:15:50am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:18:38am

re: #4 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I admit, I’d probably do a double-take if saw that, but calling the cops is a bit much.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:19:19am

Jack Dorsey looks like a Civil War soldier who’s been in the field too long.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:20:59am

Is @jack auditioning to join ZZTop?

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Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:21:14am

Hopefully Donnie’s hypothermic base are thawing out so they can tune into this most vital Senate hearing. 😐😐😐

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Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:22:21am

We spent 3 days a few hundred yards from the border near Columbus GA. That was 3 days watching the hospital TV show all the Georgia and Alabama political commercials. You come to appreciate the occasional liability lawyer offering to help with your lawsuit against a trucking company.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:22:36am

All three of those assholes bend over backwards for the Republican Party and the Republicans are STILL not satisfied with having their collective asses kissed 100% of the time!

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b.d.  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:23:10am

The 220,000 Americans who died of a horrible government reaction to Covid really were more concerned about Shadowbanning anyways.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:23:43am

It’s weird that Google’s CEO is the only one who seems like a normal human being and not a tech libertarian dudebro or an emotionless android.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:23:47am

re: #5 Dr Lizardo

I admit, I’d probably do a double-take if saw that, but calling the cops is a bit much.

I think the people were more likely offended or disgusted than scared it was real…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:25:24am

re: #326 🌹UOJB!

Wish I could say the same thing because those “real people of faith” are mostly silent.

When someone like Rev. Barber or Bishop Swan speak up the CCCP slanders them as radical Communists.

They did the same to Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King.

I wonder what colours their thinking.

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jaunte  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:25:29am

Rick Scott has collected two 2001 Monoliths.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:25:59am

Let me know when the Republicans bring up has beens Diamond and Silk so I can mark them off on my GOP Censorship Bingo Card.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:26:07am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

It’s weird that Google’s CEO is the only one who seems like a normal human being and not a tech libertarian dudebro or an emotionless android.

He’s the only one I can think of between Musk, Zuckerburg, Dorsey, & others who isn’t obsessed with his own celebrity. Tom from MySpace also seemed like a normal dude too. Tech libertarian dudebros are obnoxious because they forget about the human elements that still exist.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:26:44am

re: #10 🌹UOJB!

All three of those assholes bend over backwards for the Republican Party and the Republicans are STILL not satisfied with having their collective asses kissed 100% of the time!

I would love a Democrat to ask one of them “When are you going to ban the Nazis who support Republicans?” (It won’t happen because Senate decorum, but I would pay good money to see that.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:26:48am

re: #14 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

They did the same to Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King.

I wonder what colours their thinking.

and you know much they like Jimmy Carter

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:27:45am

Trump is whining a lot on twitter that the MSM aren’t covering the Biden “scandal.” His campaign badly needed that.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:27:53am

Dow is taking a shit again: -851.55 (-3.10%)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:28:48am

re: #20 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump is whining a lot on twitter that the MSM aren’t covering the Biden “scandal.” His campaign badly needed that.

He is so used to being able to dictate the media narrative that he cannot begin to fathom why it is not working this time around…

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jaunte  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:28:58am

Rick Scott on NY Post:
“This is not some fringe media outlet filled with conspiracy theories.”

“…On October 14, 2020, the Post published a front-page story purporting to reveal “smoking gun” emails recovered from a laptop allegedly abandoned by Hunter Biden at a computer repair store in Wilmington, Delaware.[87] The only sources named in the story were Republican operatives Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani.[87] The story came under heavy criticism from other news sources and anonymous reporters at the Post itself for “flimsy” reporting, including questions about the reliability of its sourcing and the lack of outreach to either Hunter Biden or the Biden campaign for comment.”en.wikipedia.org

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Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:29:54am

re: #21 Dr. Matt

Dow is taking a shit again: -851.55 (-3.10%)

Coronavirus bubble-friend is visiting Wife. She listed her immediate stressors, and the approaching hurricane came in 4th.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:30:47am

re: #20 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump is whining a lot on twitter that the MSM aren’t covering the Biden “scandal.” His campaign badly needed that.

Twittler in his basement flailing. Can’t wait for Downfall 2020 where someone wins an Oscar for portraying Trump or Biden. I still can’t cast Biden though. I still like John Goodman for Donnie.

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Thanos  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:31:06am

Meanwhile the top ten links on Facebook are all but one from RW wingnuts.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:31:30am
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jaunte  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:32:15am

These Senators are mad about the shift of power to tech.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:32:57am

re: #26 Thanos

Meanwhile the top ten links on Facebook are all from RW whackadoodle wingnuts.

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Dan’s mom really needs to limit his internet usage so he can try to find a job at the Trump Tower Burger King.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:33:26am

If you’d rather learn something useful rather than hearing conservatives whinge about the free market being opposed to their ideas, there’s this. (8:03)

Coronavirus Update 115: Convalescent Plasma vs Monoclonal Antibodies for COVID 19 Treatment

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:34:19am

re: #28 jaunte

These Senators are mad about the shift of power to tech.

They saw tech benefit them through disinformation. Now they’re seeing tech beat them. From what I understand, Biden’s digital team has a lot of Beto’s old team.

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jaunte  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:35:03am
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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:35:38am

re: #28 jaunte

These Senators are mad about the shift of power to tech.

I guess them there RepubliKKKlans are pissed off that their master Vlad and his stooge Assage aren’t coming to rescue the GOP.

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Jay C  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:36:06am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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He’s probably about three tweets away from reverting to the “COVID is a Democrat Hoax!!” meme, isn’t he….?

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:38:07am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:38:52am

re: #26 Thanos

Meanwhile the top ten links on Facebook are all but one from RW wingnuts.

What new conspiracy is Oingo Bongo spreading?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:39:34am

You know, If I represented a state full of desperately poor people, I would be afraid of the guillotine or some other gruesome fate if I were the cause of each and every one of those poor folk not receiving a $1200 payment that the House and even the President had approved. I guess McTurtle knows the Kentucky voters better than I do, though, because he is still comfortably ahead in the polls.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:41:27am

re: #37 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

You know, If I represented a state full of desperately poor people, I would be afraid of the guillotine or some other gruesome fate if I were the cause of each and every one of those poor folk not receiving a $1200 payment that the House and even the President had approved. I guess McTurtle knows the Kentucky voters better than I do, though, because he is still comfortably ahead in the polls.

I’m still hoping for an upset in KY though I concede it’s unlikely. That said, Mitch in the minority squealing will be fun.

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Jay C  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:41:54am

re: #36 Dr. Matt

What new conspiracy is Oingo Bongo spreading?

More likely: what kind of bots is he using?
I’ve seen this a lot lately: some list of “Top Ten Facebook Links”, and at least seven or eight of them are from Dan Bongino - always.

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b.d.  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:42:58am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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Obama nailed it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:44:05am

re: #39 Jay C

More likely: what kind of bots is he using?
I’ve seen this a lot lately: some list of “Top Ten Facebook Links”, and at least seven or eight of them are from Dan Bongino - always.

I don’t go political often on FB but if I do, I’m using my own words and not some meme.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:44:07am

Registered Republican busted after hacking government website to change Ron DeSantis’ voter info

A Florida man has been arrested after he allegedly altered Governor Ron DeSantis’ voter registration information, NBC2 reports.

When DeSantis went to vote at his polling location this Monday, he was told that his primary address in the Florida database had been changed by an unknown person. DeSantis then immediately contacted the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to investigate the incident.

The investigation found that the IP address that submitted the request to change the governor’s address was traced back to 20-year-old Rosa Acevedo from Naples. They then raided a home, they found Anthony Steven Guevara, Emilio Acevedo and Rosa Acevedo located in the home.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:44:27am

re: #37 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

You know, If I represented a state full of desperately poor people, I would be afraid of the guillotine or some other gruesome fate if I were the cause of each and every one of those poor folk not receiving a $1200 payment that the House and even the President had approved. I guess McTurtle knows the Kentucky voters better than I do, though, because he is still comfortably ahead in the polls.

All McConnell has to do is have his Pulpit Pimp Pals say “Jesus Tells You To Vote Republican” to their marks and he will win in a landslide. The Kim Davis types will vote for McConnell because he kicks them queers down.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:45:41am

re: #40 b.d.

Obama nailed it.

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He’s going claim Covid is why he lost. But when in reality Covid just accelerated the argument against his re-election. If Covid hadn’t happened, we’d be talking more about the culture of corruption he’s brought to Washington with his shitty business.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:46:36am

We’re going to win, you know.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:47:08am

Looks like a buying opportunity in the stock market. Oh wait, I’m supposed to say the stock market is crashing

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:48:34am

re: #46 VegasGolfer

Looks like a buying opportunity in the stock market. Oh wait, I’m supposed to say the stock market is crashing

Let me know when J. P. Morgan comes to the floor of the exchange to prop the market up.

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jeffreyw  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:48:36am

potato leek soup

Lunch

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:48:58am

re: #44 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’s going claim Covid is why he lost. But when in reality Covid just accelerated the argument against his re-election. If Covid hadn’t happened, we’d be talking more about the culture of corruption he’s brought to Washington with his shitty business.

Without Covid, he would be doing a lot better.

But people are ready to rally around a president, even in the midst of a serious health and economic crisis, if he can show true leadership, compassion and solidarity, while demonstrating that he is working hard to help us all out of the crisis.

But that sort of leadership is beyond his capabilities and neither does he have the sort of experts around him to delegate to to get the job done. He had other priorities and they showed from Day One.

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BeachDem  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:51:24am

re: #40 b.d.

Obama nailed it.

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Jennifer Rubin:
Obama does not deploy goofy slurs or conspiracy theories; instead, he reminds us that what we are seeing is ridiculous, abnormal and unacceptable…Obama does not need to label Trump “nuts” or a “conspiracy monger.” Again, Obama simply needs to point out what Trump has done and asks the audience whether it’s normal…

And once again, displaying her not-just-anti-Trump stance, Rubin closes with:

Moreover, by pointing out how obvious Trump’s defects are, Obama delivered a devastating blow to Republicans. These people who fancied themselves as “values” voters are now moral nihilists for whom nothing Trump does can be grounds for rejecting him. It is one of many reasons voters need to sweep not only Trump, but also his fellow Republicans out of office.

washingtonpost.com

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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:54:16am

re: #9 Decatur Deb

We spent 3 days a few hundred yards from the border near Columbus GA. That was 3 days watching the hospital TV show all the Georgia and Alabama political commercials. You come to appreciate the occasional liability lawyer offering to help with your lawsuit against a trucking company.

Those cases are “complex” (the latest euphemism used by ambulance chasers). You get a break from Zeta, it appears, coming up through Mississippi coast. I am sure Eclectic Cyborg is thrilled.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:54:20am

re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Without Covid, he would be doing a lot better.

But people are ready to rally around a president, even in the midst of a serious health and economic crisis, if he can show true leadership, compassion and solidarity, while demonstrating that he is working hard to help us all out of the crisis.

But that sort of leadership is beyond his capabilities and neither does he have the sort of experts around him to delegate to to get the job done. He had other priorities and they showed from Day One.

He would but Biden’s lead was steady before Covid. Obviously Covid has accelerated his likely defeat but I think the rumblings were happening before then too.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:55:54am

re: #51 BlueSpotinAL

Those cases are “complex” (the latest euphemism used by ambulance chasers). You get a break from Zeta, it appears, coming up through Mississippi coast. I am sure Eclectic Cyborg is thrilled.

Yes—the last map showed the cone of uncertainty was quite narrow, centered on NOLA.

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Dopefish: Ever hopeful.  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:55:54am

re: #52 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He would but Biden’s lead was steady before Covid. Obviously Covid has accelerated his likely defeat but I think the rumblings were happening before then too.

We would be seeing a lot more shades of 2016 without the virus. Nothing he has done has endeared him to sane and rational people, but his complete and abject failure to acknowledge reality w/r/t the pandemic is what has really come to be the iconic disaster of his administration.

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Jay C  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:56:30am

re: #50 BeachDem

Moreover, by pointing out how obvious Trump’s defects are, Obama delivered a devastating blow to Republicans. These people who fancied themselves as “values” voters are now moral nihilists for whom nothing Trump does can be grounds for rejecting him. It is one of many reasons voters need to sweep not only Trump, but also his fellow Republicans out of office.

I’d disagree: not on principle, or on her conclusions, but on what I see as a (probably conscious) misreading of the motivations of those “values voters”. At least the Trump-heads: they seem supremely disinterested in the actual “values” of their Leader: they don’t care if he lives up to their values or not, they simply want him to impose (by violence if necessary) their “values” on everybody.
Because God.
Or whatever…..

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:56:48am
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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 10:57:10am

re: #31 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They saw tech benefit them through disinformation. Now they’re seeing tech beat them. From what I understand, Biden’s digital team has a lot of Beto’s old team.

Just like the EC will do

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Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:00:37am

George Conway Teases October Surprise With Secret White House Insider: ‘Anonymous is a True Patriot’

I bet George and “Anonymous” had coffee together at the breakfast table this morning.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:00:55am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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My first reaction was “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts. The whole earth is full of his glory”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:02:31am

re: #21 Dr. Matt

Dow is taking a shit again: -851.55 (-3.10%)

It’s almost like the lack of Covid relief is having some kind of effect…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:05:06am

re: #51 BlueSpotinAL

Those cases are “complex” (the latest euphemism used by ambulance chasers). You get a break from Zeta, it appears, coming up through Mississippi coast. I am sure Eclectic Cyborg is thrilled.

Oh yeah, totally thrilled….

/

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:07:13am

re: #54 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We would be seeing a lot more shades of 2016 without the virus. Nothing he has done has endeared him to sane and rational people, but his complete and abject failure to acknowledge reality w/r/t the pandemic is what has really come to be the iconic disaster of his administration.

Republicans would eagerly vote for the worst President of the modern era, but being the worst President of all time, thanks to his lying about Covid, shaves off some of his support.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:07:28am

re: #52 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He would but Biden’s lead was steady before Covid. Obviously Covid has accelerated his likely defeat but I think the rumblings were happening before then too.

He would just be doing less worse.
A critical mass of people now don’t like him, have seen enough, and he’s got no other market to tap into

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:07:44am

re: #58 Dr. Matt

George Conway Teases October Surprise With Secret White House Insider: ‘Anonymous is a True Patriot’

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I bet George and “Anonymous” had coffee together at the breakfast table this morning.

Not a chance it’s KAC. Not one.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:08:24am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:10:11am

Llre: #63 dangerman

He would just be doing less worse.
A critical mass of people now don’t like him, have seen enough, and he’s got no other market to tap into

Yeah I’d lean closer to 300-350 EVs for Biden rather than 350-400 EVs. Biden’s really never trailed Trump.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:11:18am

re: #66 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ll

Yeah I’d lean closer to 300-350 EVs for Biden rather than 350-400 EVs. Biden’s really never trailed Trump.

325 would be a healthy victory for Biden I’d say.

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b.d.  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:12:57am

re: #58 Dr. Matt

George Conway Teases October Surprise With Secret White House Insider: ‘Anonymous is a True Patriot’

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I bet George and “Anonymous” had coffee together at the breakfast table this morning.

A West Wing witch hunt less than a week before the election, that has got to help morale there!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:13:20am

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

325 would be healthy victory for Biden I’d say.

Yeah that’s what I mean. I think he would have a healthy victory even without Covid. I think Covid just has accelerated his likely win. Obviously I can’t prove that but Biden’s been underestimated by politics junkies.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:13:26am

re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Without Covid, he would be doing a lot better.

But people are ready to rally around a president, even in the midst of a serious health and economic crisis, if he can show true leadership, compassion and solidarity, while demonstrating that he is working hard to help us all out of the crisis.

But that sort of leadership is beyond his capabilities and neither does he have the sort of experts around him to delegate to to get the job done. He had other priorities and they showed from Day One.

Without the COVID pandemic and his utter failure to deal with it, I’d say Trump would’ve stood a somewhat decent chance at re-election.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:14:06am

re: #59 dangerman

My first reaction was “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts. The whole earth is full of his glory”

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Trump is one step away from a “Marcia, Marcia, Marcia” moment.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:14:54am

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

We’re going to win, you know.

Man, her Twitter feed is going to explode after a comment from President Obama.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:19:20am

re: #70 Dr Lizardo

Without the COVID pandemic and his utter failure to deal with it, I’d say Trump would’ve stood a somewhat decent chance at re-election.

I honestly don’t. I think the reasons for the impeachment would have been a lot of the talk of the cycle. I do agree that he would have a better shot without Covid but IMO his inability and lack of interest in expanding beyond his base is why. I also think part of it was just numbers. Four consecutive two term Presidents just seemed unlikely and the economy was showing some signs of slipping too even before Covid. We’ll never know obviously but I really think that Trump would still be in trouble even without Covid.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:22:31am

Kushner didn’t realize he is the overconfident idiot. Just explained, on tape, that Trump’s covid plan was to have no plan except to cheerlead reopening, and blame governors if it didn’t go well. cnn.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:25:06am

re: #56 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

You were responding to this:

NE-2 went for Obama in 2008, then McCain in 2012 and Trump in 2016. It was represented by a Democrat until Rep. Don Bacon got in as part of the Trump wave in 2016.

NE-2 is a swing district. Campaigning there is not necessarily a bad idea if you think you can take it (plus a large enough turnout of Democrats in the other two districts gives the Dems three electoral votes).

Mike Pence was in Carter Lake, Iowa (the exclave of Omaha near Eppley Airfield) just a couple weeks ago.

I think their coming to Nebraska shows the GOP is desperate for every EV they can find, since usually no one bothers with NE-2 (Obama and Clinton certainly didn’t).

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Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:25:19am
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retired cynic  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:26:09am

Trump admin’s pandemic surrender draws impassioned response from WHO
WHO officials were exasperated by Trump admin’s suggestion to give up on pandemic.
by Beth Mole, Ars Technica

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Dopefish: Ever hopeful.  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:26:55am

re: #73 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I honestly don’t. I think the reasons for the impeachment would have been a lot of the talk of the cycle. I do agree that he would have a better shot without Covid but IMO his inability and lack of interest in expanding beyond his base is why. I also think part of it was just numbers. Four consecutive two term Presidents just seemed unlikely and the economy was showing some signs of slipping too even before Covid. We’ll never know obviously but I really think that Trump would still be in trouble even without Covid.

I agree with all of this. I think it would be closer, and that people would be saying a lot more things like, “Well, Trump still has a 35% chance one week out, and we saw what happened LAST time that happened,” but I know his cruelty and incompetence would have come out in some other ways. The COVID pandemic just happened to be the right trigger to illustrate both of those attributes with massive spotlights.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:27:08am

re: #61 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh yeah, totally thrilled….

/

I’d almost be willing to trade our bitter cold for your hurricane.

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plansbandc  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:27:25am

So far, “The Queen’s Gambit” on Netflix is living up to the hype. I recommend it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:27:25am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

It’s great for wealthy elites who engage in insider trading, and buy the homes of people who are left destitute by the elites actions.

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retired cynic  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:27:53am

Remember the tall thin cedars growing from branches of an old cedar tree? It really is a thing! They are called daisugi, and it is beautiful.

A Japanese Forestry Technique Prunes Upper Branches to Create a Tree Platform for More Sustainable Harvests

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:28:01am

I can’t resist temptation. I open up my junk mail folder to see what shit my relatives are sending and yep, I guessed it right! Q links Hunter Biden to Pizzagate and the clue is that he wore RED SOCKS—-GASP!

Now it’s time for me to have lunch with a glass of adrenochrome, er V8 juice…🤣

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:28:03am

re: #68 b.d.

A West Wing witch hunt less than a week before the election, that has got to help morale there!

Which could be the whole point.

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gocart mozart  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:30:51am

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:30:52am

re: #84 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Which could be the whole point.

It’s tossing a grenade into the campaign - just need to kick back and see what happens.

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b.d.  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:30:53am

re: #84 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Which could be the whole point.

lol, I wouldn’t bet against it.

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retired cynic  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:31:04am

re: #82 retired cynic

And speaking of trees:

Trump to strip protections from Tongass National Forest, one of the biggest intact temperate rainforests, WaPo

At least there is a good chance of holding this off and reversing it. D*mn him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:32:19am

re: #70 Dr Lizardo

Without the COVID pandemic and his utter failure to deal with it, I’d say Trump would’ve stood a somewhat decent chance at re-election.

people would have been a lot more receptive to his outrageous and unfounded claims, but especially with Covid, they can see with their very eyes that he is just bloviating

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:33:51am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

people would have been a lot more receptive to his outrageous and unfounded claims, but especially with Covid, they can see with their very eyes that he is just bloviating

Covid definitely does accelerate his bullshit claims that’s for sure. And it’s something that has impacted us all in our everyday lives so yeah in that sense it’s definitely accelerated it. As I said last night, I can’t even escape Covid during my highs and damn it that’s where I like to escape to.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:35:16am

re: #81 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s great for wealthy elites who engage in insider trading, and buy the homes of people who are left destitute by the elites actions.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:36:07am

re: #83 🌹UOJB!

I can’t resist temptation. I open up my junk mail folder to see what shit my relatives are sending and yep, I guessed it right! Q links Hunter Biden to Pizzagate and the clue is that he wore RED SOCKS—-GASP!

Now it’s time for me to have lunch with a glass of adrenochrome, er V8 juice…🤣

I drink Adrenochrome-brand rum. It has a real kick.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:37:26am

dying of laughter here looking at my brainwashed family’s e-mails claiming that Sacha Baron Cohen is a Mafia hit man who failed to take out Giuliani.

Tell me how Borat was going to take out Rudy when he couldn’t hide a gun or even a strand of piano wire in his thong! 😂🤣😝🥴!

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lawhawk  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:37:32am

re: #88 retired cynic

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:38:16am
These are the same people saying that we can’t have tuition-free public colleges because there’s no money when these motherfuckers are only paying $750 a year in taxes.”

— Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), quoted by Vanity Fair.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:38:55am

re: #90 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Covid definitely does accelerate his bullshit claims that’s for sure. And it’s something that has impacted us all in our everyday lives so yeah in that sense it’s definitely accelerated it. As I said last night, I can’t even escape Covid during my highs and damn it that’s where I like to escape to.

One reason why I run every morning
No politics
Just aaahhhhhhh

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plansbandc  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:39:10am

What he’s done to the environment sickens me to the extreme.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:40:02am

re: #93 🌹UOJB!

dying of laughter here looking at my brainwashed family’s e-mails claiming that Sacha Baron Cohen is a Mafia hit man who failed to take out Giuliani.

Tell me how Borat was going to take out Rudy when he couldn’t hide a gun or even a strand of piano wire in his thong! 😂🤣😝🥴!

Your family needs to go to the same therapist my distant relatives need to when this is all over.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:40:52am

Gosh, my sympathies are completely escaping me. Say bye bye to that sweet gig at Sotheby’s real estate.

It is what it is.

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Interesting Times  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:41:05am

An inverse relationship between how long Cheeto Benito supporters were stranded and how long it took The Lincoln Project to cut the following ad:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:41:13am

re: #94 lawhawk

It started when the GOP under Speaker Paul Ryan set the value of all federal park land at zero, so no impact statements on cost would be required before changing regulations regarding federal lands.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:41:41am

re: #96 dangerman

One reason why I run every morning
No politics
Just aaahhhhhhh

Yeah I was at the gym this morning listening to my favorite baseball podcast recap the WS last night. I’m looking forward to Biden winning on Tuesday so I don’t have to think about politics all the time. I’m obviously going to still be paying attention, posting, and I will be invested in our gubernatorial primary and GE next year but for after Biden wins, I’m just going to relax, focus on my classwork, time at the gym, and going on walks in my new surroundings.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:45:27am

re: #99 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Gosh, my sympathies are completely escaping me. Say bye bye to that sweet gig at Sotheby’s real estate.

It is what it is.

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Is that asshole related to Andy Ngo?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:47:12am

re: #100 Interesting Times

An inverse relationship between how long Cheeto Benito supporters were stranded and how long it took The Lincoln Project to cut the following ad:

This asshat is spamming the Lincoln Project with his religious shyte again. Different Bible verse this time. It’s rapidly appearing under every comment. Needz Twitter spam reports.

Click to Reveal
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:49:48am

re: #99 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Gosh, my sympathies are completely escaping me. Say bye bye to that sweet gig at Sotheby’s real estate.

It is what it is.

——

Ng, who until this week was employed at Russ Lyon Sotheby’s Real Estate Agency, expressed regret for his actions to 12 News, and told police he was worried about riots in the area and hadn’t meant to be “inflammatory.”

Sure Jan, you’re sorry you got caught.

One thing the Era of Trump has done is out the closet racists. Makes them easier to identify and shun.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:52:54am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:54:22am

Poor Arizona, you’re next on Team Genocide’s biological terrorism tour.

LIVE UPDATES: President Donald Trump to visit Arizona on Wednesday (NBC Scottsdale)

President Donald Trump will travel to Bullhead City for a rally before flying to Goodyear for a second rally.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:54:32am

re: #106 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Trump was “in their corner” after the Pulse nightclub shooting because it gave him a chance to trot out his Islamophobia and anti-Muslim rhetoric while claiming that he was some kind of Friend of the Gays.

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makeitstop  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:55:09am

re: #84 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Which could be the whole point.

Conway might just be blowing smoke. You know someone is going to show Trump that tweet.

Like they say in the world of fireworks - ‘light fuse and back away.’

Lincoln Project has raised trolling Trump to an art at this point.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:55:50am

It’s amazing how much money and effort the GOP puts in to taking rights away from others.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:58:15am

Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an election shattering KABOOM!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 28, 2020 • 11:59:38am

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

Fake Trending!

whereas 10,000 Russian bots retweeting the NY Post story is “real trending”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:00:28pm

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

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Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an election shattering KABOOM!

I guess the troll farms got sick or maybe just maybe no one gives a shit about Hunter Biden benefiting from his name when we’re in a pandemic and when we know that the Trump children have done far more than that. He’s mad because the same social media machine that accelerated his rise last time isn’t helping him.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:01:28pm

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

——

Sure Jan, you’re sorry you got caught.

One thing the Era of Trump has done is out the closet racists. Makes them easier to identify and shun.

Joe brings out the best in people

Trump brings out the beast in them.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:02:01pm

re: #94 lawhawk

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

In all seriousness:

It’s a good idea to start comparing what the GOP is doing in the USA to what corporations and other big-money interests (like the World Bank, and nations with neo-colonial policies like the US and China) have done in the developing world.

Destroy the social fabric and safety nets, strip away the non-renewable resources so the money feeds into international money markets and the materials move into the consumer stream with minimal benefit to the people actually on the land, leave behind a population of desperate people who can be exploited if they have functional value—whether that’s their college degree or their attractiveness—but it really doesn’t matter to the world-system or the markets if they’re in danger, sick, or dying.

And groups like the Religious Right and other grifters want this because wounded, desperate people are vulnerable: it makes the price of coercing compliance—and covering up malfeasance—cheaper.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:03:03pm

re: #42 Dr. Matt

Registered Republican busted after hacking government website to change Ron DeSantis’ voter info

Some of us lizards who are more apprehensive have been chastised for our “gloom and doom” attitude, all a holdover from 2016. Before I joined but while I lurked here, PLL was often criticized for his disbelief in the polls — a disbelief I strongly shared at that time. This time Trump has all the levers of federal government under his control, including much of the federal judiciary and definitely the Supreme Court. There are too many things that can go wrong — including the DeJoy sabotage of the USPS that could disenfranchise 100,000’s of voters. And the attack on DeSantis demonstrates the vulnerability of our voting.

And here I am venturing into tinfoil territory, but the killing of another black man by police in Philadelphia, thereby instigating riots in the city seems as though it could have been a deliberate action to reignite the turmoil of the summer and persuade voters (especially in Pennsylvania) that somehow Trump (under whom this all occurred) is the right (white) person to handle this unrest. A majority of the police seem to be all in on Trump — and the story downstairs about Dahmer shows that this has been a long-standing problem even in states that were not part of the Confederacy.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:03:26pm

re: #107 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Poor Arizona, you’re next on Team Genocide’s biological terrorism tour.

LIVE UPDATES: President Donald Trump to visit Arizona on Wednesday (NBC Scottsdale)

President Donald Trump will travel to Bullhead City for a rally before flying to Goodyear for a second rally.

Jesus. Bullhead City is out in the middle of no where. Although, it’s kind of a two-fer as he can draw some folks from Laughlin

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:06:26pm

re: #106 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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I’m frankly a bit surprised they gave up now that Justice Handmaid OfDonald has been confirmed.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:06:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:06:51pm

Sky News spreading what is likely crap.

Commenting on a series of studies revealing the existence of high infection rates in the provinces of Western Cape and Gauteng, the country’s leading vaccinologist, Professor Shabir Mahdi, told Sky News that he believed the coronavirus had stimulated a level of immunity in approximately 12 to 15 million people.

“What has happened in SA today, the only way to explain it, the only plausible way to explain it is that some sort of herd immunity has been reached when combined with the use of non-pharmaceutical interventions… like the wearing of masks, physical distancing, ensuring ventilation when indoors and so on.”

At the height of the pandemic, South Africa was ranked as the world’s fifth most-effected country, behind the US, India, Brazil and Russia - all of which have much larger populations.

It was at this point that researchers based in Cape Town began testing for traces of the virus in blood samples provided at local clinics by pregnant woman and HIV patients.

(more)

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jaunte  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:07:25pm
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jaunte  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:09:33pm

Why does Marsha Blackburn have a job?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:10:03pm

They Senate can’t pass Covid Relief, but they can do this BS?

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:11:23pm

re: #121 jaunte

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My inner WC Fields wants to tell that jerk to go ride a buzzsaw…

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lawhawk  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:11:35pm

re: #123 I Would Prefer Not To

McConnell deemed it so. McConnell and the GOP to the nation: Drop Dead.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:12:18pm

re: #122 jaunte

Why does Marsha Blackburn have a job?

This is desperation. They need a culture war, something, anything, to deflect from their genocide and absolute destruction of the economy.

There is no Teh Geyhs will get married if you don’t elect us, no amount of screaming “creeping socialism” will work, none of it.

They have all been exposed as the soulless husks they are, just as they were in Hoover’s election campaign in 1932.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:13:04pm

re: #125 lawhawk

McConnell deemed it so. McConnell and the GOP to the nation: Drop Dead.

Well this is the message Moscow Mitch and his Moscow Merry Makers are gonna get on Election Night!

Drop Dead/Celebration

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:13:44pm

Lre: #121 jaunte

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This right here is why so cancel culture has always been the right telling on itself for what it wants to do.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:14:36pm

re: #123 I Would Prefer Not To

They Senate can’t pass Covid Relief, but they can do this BS?

This is all Mitch. As I said, we need to do to Mitch what they’ve tried to do to Pelosi.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:15:24pm

re: #123 I Would Prefer Not To

They Senate can’t pass Covid Relief, but they can do this BS?

Yes.

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Egregious Philbin  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:15:38pm

re: #117 Mike Lamb

Bullhead City is dense moron country. Goodyear is not much better….

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:18:31pm

re: #123 I Would Prefer Not To

They Senate can’t pass Covid Relief, but they can do this BS?

Makes sense if the Republican Party’s unstated core tenet is that people are not equal, and it is acceptable for people to die as long as they are low caste.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:19:03pm

re: #131 Egregious Philbin

Bullhead City is dense moron country. Goodyear is not much better….

Let me guess! Sheriff Joe is gonna be with President Poopy Pants!

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lawhawk  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:19:15pm
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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:20:14pm

re: #118 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m frankly a bit surprised they gave up now that Justice Handmaid OfDonald has been confirmed.

I’ve been thinking about where Barrett’s place would be in the Republic of Gilead. She wouldn’t be a Handmaid or a Martha. She’d be a Serena Joy (commander’s wife). One of the women who helped create the theocracy then willing sat down, shut up and accepted that it was illegal for women to read.

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lawhawk  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:20:43pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:21:25pm

re: #123 I Would Prefer Not To

They Senate can’t pass Covid Relief, but they can do this BS?

This is what Republicans do. Under Obama, the GOP House spent its time investigating Benghazi for the purely political reason of damaging Hillary - a task that succeeded brilliantly. Their goal is to tear down and destroy, rip this nation asunder, instead of building and uniting.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:23:08pm

re: #131 Egregious Philbin

Bullhead City is dense moron country. Goodyear is not much better….

It would have been appropriate to hold a rally in Snowflake. /s

Why Obama saved his harshest critiques of Trump until the campaign’s end (CNN via MSN)

Barack Obama held back his most biting critiques of President Donald Trump in the first years of his post-presidency, hoping the lack of constant attacks would make his voice even more powerful at a time he thought it was most needed.

That time, Obama believes, is now.

The former president, according to people close to him, sees his years of holding back on Trump as key to his ability to forcefully attack his successor on behalf of Joe Biden, his former running mate and the man running to unseat a President who has made sullying Obama’s legacy central to his political rise.

(more)

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piratedan  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:24:08pm

re: #117 Mike Lamb

and a huge congregation of rich retirees….. guess he’ll land in Vegas because neither Bullhead City or Kingman have big enough airports for AF1 I would presume. For the press crew, it would be safer to gamble in one of the casinos than attend the event… great super-spreader possibilities here to kill more old people.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:25:27pm

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

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Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an election shattering KABOOM!

You have got to let me steal that. That is perfection!

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:26:06pm

re: #136 lawhawk

And in what could only be described as the ultimate twist-of-fate-o-rama, it’s Melania. 🤣

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makeitstop  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:26:54pm

re: #136 lawhawk

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Looks like ‘Anon’ is seeing his/her last chance to jump off the train before it slides off the bridge onto the rocks below.

Too late already.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:26:54pm

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

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Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an election shattering KABOOM!

It’s more like a weak fart.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:27:46pm

re: #136 lawhawk

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Oh shit if it’s Barron and he’s going to publish “Daddy Dickhead”…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:29:14pm

re: #121 jaunte

Oh look, an actual First Amendment violation.

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makeitstop  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:29:31pm

Anonymous is someone we’re already familiar with. Huh.

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Egregious Philbin  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:29:38pm

re: #133 🌹UOJB!

Arpaio has kept quiet lately, he got his ass handed to him in the primary trying to run for Sheriff again, and a few years ago he lost the primary for Senate, and 4 years ago he lost the race for Sheriff. He has the stink of failure all over him.

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calochortus  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:30:10pm

re: #139 piratedan

and a huge congregation of rich retirees….. guess he’ll land in Vegas because neither Bullhead City or Kingman have big enough airports for AF1 I would presume. For the press crew, it would be safer to gamble in one of the casinos than attend the event… great super-spreader possibilities here to kill more old people.

I dunno. Laughlin/Bullhead International Airport looks like it has a decent runway.
(not that I know anything about runways.)

Looking at the area I am struck by the small percentage of houses with solar on the roof. If anywhere in the world could use solar, you’d think that would be it. It looks like there are a lot of poorer people there, but their electric bills must be horrendous.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:30:45pm

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makeitstop  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:31:53pm

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Parked in a handicapped spot, while he’s at it.

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jaunte  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:32:36pm

Big old Back the Blue GOP hootenanny this noon in Houston:

“By Grits’ calculation, if Austin’s murder rate this year were as high as Fort Worth’s, we’d had seen 74 murders instead of 34.”

“Actual cuts were 4.6%, or just a little more than the 4% cut at DPS in the 2017 budget Governor Abbott signed. Unlike in Austin, though, cuts at DPS resulted in both trooper and civilian layoffs. By contrast, Austin laid off no officers at all. But Texas reporters built out an entire story architecture around Gov. Abbott’s false premise that Austin’s small-time budget cuts made the city less safe.”

gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com

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Mike Lamb  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:33:33pm

re: #131 Egregious Philbin

Bullhead City is dense moron country. Goodyear is not much better….

No one lives out there. Goodyear. Parts of Mesa, Chandler, etc. Those are the areas that will make a difference. Mohave County is a drop in the bucket.

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piratedan  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:33:45pm

re: #148 calochortus

it’s a middle-class retirement area, fair number of poor locals to handle the resort economy gig (dealers, slingers of booze, kitchen staff, housekeepers) with a group of middle-class retirees who are modestly addicted to playing keno, the bookies or the poker tables two-three times a week and eat themselves stupid at the buffets… lots of 2nd-3rd tier entertainment at hand and close enough to places like Vegas to splurge when desired and a river to entertain the grandkids…

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:34:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:35:21pm
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Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:35:56pm

Breaking News: Miles Taylor is ‘Anonymous’. 😐

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Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:36:35pm

re: #156 Dr. Matt

Breaking News: Miles Taylor is ‘Anonymous’. 😐

Miles Taylor, a Former Homeland Security Official, Reveals He Was ‘Anonymous’

Mr. Taylor, whose criticisms of President Trump in a New York Times Op-Ed article and subsequent book, roiled Washington and infuriated Mr. Trump, resigned from the administration last year and endorsed Joe Biden this summer.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:38:08pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:38:25pm

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

This is desperation. They need a culture war, something, anything, to deflect from their genocide and absolute destruction of the economy.

There is no Teh Geyhs will get married if you don’t elect us, no amount of screaming “creeping socialism” will work, none of it.

They have all been exposed as the soulless husks they are, just as they were in Hoover’s election campaign in 1932.

This is why I’m more negative on Ike than many — Ike’s greatest mistake was simply running for the presidency as a Republican before the GOP had come to terms with its failures in the Depression era.

So the GOP evaded that piece of necessary reform, putting it on the path it has followed to this day, steadily degenerating for damn near a century.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:38:26pm

re: #156 Dr. Matt

Breaking News: Miles Taylor is ‘Anonymous’. 😐

Yeah. Thanks for your service.

We saw you stick up for family separation. You can fuck right off.

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Belafon  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:39:52pm

re: #134 lawhawk

Stuff not made in China doesn’t sell as well as stuff made in China. Wow.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:42:37pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:43:55pm

re: #160 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Yeah. Thanks for your service.

We saw you stick up for family separation. You can fuck right off.

His original editorial made it clear that he was a fan of most of Trump’s policies. He was/is a terrible person — but probably not a traitor (in the sense that he supported traditional foreign policy.) There are basically 2 groups of never-Trumpers: 1. those who hate his style and 2. those who hate his style and his foreign policy. Miles belongs to the 2nd group.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:44:12pm

Eye of Zeta on NOLA radar:

radar.weather.gov

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:44:16pm

Sigh

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BigPapa  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:44:55pm

Re: Miles Taylor:

Trump aide Stephen Miller preparing second-term immigration blitz

The hardline adviser is said to be ready to unleash executive orders deemed too extreme for a president seeking re-election

The architect of Donald Trump’s hardline immigration policy, senior adviser Stephen Miller, is said to have a drawer full of executive orders ready to be signed in “shock and awe” style if Trump is re-elected.

The former homeland security department chief of staff, Miles Taylor, said this wishlist was reserved for the second term because it included policies that were too unpopular for a president seeking re-election.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:46:17pm

re: #166 BigPapa

And I wouldn’t be surprised if Miller unleashes them if Trump loses as well - part of a “scorched earth” strategy from an outgoing Trump administration.

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ericblair  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:46:56pm

re: #160 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Yeah. Thanks for your service.

We saw you stick up for family separation. You can fuck right off.

“What’s up, fellow non-racist Democrats?”

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:49:28pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:50:48pm

Good polls have moved Biden’s lead in Arizona to 3.5 points. If Biden wins Arizona, he could lose all the close states and Pennsylvania, and still get 270 electoral votes by winning either Nb 2d or Me 2d.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:51:36pm

Wait, is the op ed “Anonymous” who talked about how they were doing damage control that faciliated the administration?

Because fuck that guy, before you ever get to them being Miles Taylor who did specific horrific shit.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:51:46pm

Fortunately Zeta is moving so quickly that NOLA probably won’t be flooded:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:52:12pm

re: #170 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Good polls have moved Biden’s lead in Arizona to 3.5 points. If Biden wins Arizona, he could lose all the close states and Pennsylvania, and still get 270 electoral votes by winning either Nb 2d or Me 2d.

I really want to see American voters crush Donald Trump and his sick movement.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:53:53pm

Fuck Jared Kushner, seriously I want him in prison and not club fed.

In newly released audio recordings published by CNN, Kushner told journalist Bob Woodward that the president should avoid talking about the virus making a comeback in the fall because it would undermine his plans to reopen the economy.

“So if you basically say this is coming back in the fall, don’t gear up, then people won’t rehire, people will stay unemployed,” Kushner explained. “And if you’re planning for the worst-case scenario, that will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:54:23pm

re: #168 ericblair

I’ll treat him for now the same way as the Lincoln Project and Meidas Touch: For now this will create a firestorm for Trump in the final days before the election and keep him distracted.

I imagine the Snowflake-in-Chief will be off the rails at his next biological terrorism event.

We can deal with Mr. Taylor after the election.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:54:37pm

re: #55 Jay C

I’d disagree: not on principle, or on her conclusions, but on what I see as a (probably conscious) misreading of the motivations of those “values voters”. At least the Trump-heads: they seem supremely disinterested in the actual “values” of their Leader: they don’t care if he lives up to their values or not, they simply want him to impose (by violence if necessary) their “values” on everybody.
Because God.
Or whatever…..

a fundamental difference in vision (imo)

in general, Ds want to let everyone do what they want as long as they dont hurt anyone else

the R position is everyone should do what “I” want.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:54:45pm

re: #173 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I really want to see American voters crush Donald Trump and his sick movement.

Me too. I’m hoping the polls are underrating Biden and he sweeps the close states.

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calochortus  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:55:08pm

re: #153 piratedan

it’s a middle-class retirement area, fair number of poor locals to handle the resort economy gig (dealers, slingers of booze, kitchen staff, housekeepers) with a group of middle-class retirees who are modestly addicted to playing keno, the bookies or the poker tables two-three times a week and eat themselves stupid at the buffets… lots of 2nd-3rd tier entertainment at hand and close enough to places like Vegas to splurge when desired and a river to entertain the grandkids…

I guess. Low desert is “shoot me now” territory for me. Does not appeal. I don’t gamble, don’t enjoy most of that sort of stage entertainment, and the sun would kill me.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:55:25pm

re: #177 NO SMOCKING GUN!

from your lips to god’s ears. I want to see him utterly humiliated

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Belafon  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:55:35pm

Another Democrat in Texas to donate to if you’re willing: dailykos.com.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:56:08pm

Oh, just heard on MSNBC again that the PA GOP is trying to appeal what the SC said about counting votes (again) now that Barrett is on the court.

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gocart mozart  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:57:00pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:57:23pm

re: #171 The Ghost of a Flea

Wait, is the op ed “Anonymous” who talked about how they were doing damage control that faciliated the administration?

Because fuck that guy, before you ever get to them being Miles Taylor who did specific horrific shit.

Unless he has something specific to say that includes receipts, this is fucking book-advertisement theater.

This is a fucker who did absolutely nothing at the time that it mattered, and signal boosting him now seems more like a hustle than anything else.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:58:09pm
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lawhawk  Oct 28, 2020 • 12:58:19pm

So, some guy no one has heard of turns out to be the “Anonymous” who wrote that book.

Yeah, he sure swayed me. He told me what I already knew, and that was just from publicly available documentation and facts and Trump’s own statements.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:00:54pm

re: #174 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Fuck Jared Kushner, seriously I want him in prison and not club fed.

further:

Jared Kushner boasted in mid-April about how President Trump had cut out the doctors and scientists advising him on the unfolding coronavirus pandemic.

Said Kushner, in a taped interview with Bob Woodward: “That doesn’t mean there’s not still a lot of pain and there won’t be pain for a while, but that basically was, we’ve now put out rules to get back to work. Trump’s now back in charge. It’s not the doctors.”

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ericblair  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:02:10pm

re: #181 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Oh, just heard on MSNBC again that the PA GOP is trying to appeal what the SC said about counting votes (again) now that Barrett is on the court.

I’m thinking one thing that would help Democrats sell court reform is this yes-you-can/no-you-can’t/yes-you-can/no-you-can’t madness of duelling courts. It gets pretty obvious to anyone affected that this isn’t just balls-and-strikes but flat out political warfare and there’s nothing holy and pure about them as they currently are.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:02:56pm

re: #68 b.d.

A West Wing witch hunt less than a week before the election, that has got to help morale there!

Remember that 400 EV for Biden is a “narrow win” while 271 for Trump is a landslide and mandate for boots to the face forever.
/////

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:04:02pm
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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:04:17pm

re: #167 Dr Lizardo

And I wouldn’t be surprised if Miller unleashes them if Trump loses as well - part of a “scorched earth” strategy from an outgoing Trump administration.

I do not care if Republicans block it. If I was Joe I would accept a warrant from the World Court, put Steven Miller in cuffs and leg irons and put him on a plane to The Hague.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:04:19pm

Worst. Baptism. Ever.

The North Carolina pastor accused of urinating on a Delta airline passenger two weeks ago has been identified, authorities said Tuesday.

Daniel Chalmers was arrested by the Wayne Metro Airport police in Detroit after the Delta flight landed at the Detroit Metro Airport on Oct. 12, according to a police report.

The Wayne County Airport Authority provided the police report Tuesday to the Winston-Salem Journal in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.

Chalmers’ age, hometown and cellphone number were redacted in the report obtained by the Journal.

richmond.com

OK, gotta call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards - stay healthy.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:06:13pm

re: #191 Dr Lizardo

Worst. Baptism. Ever.

richmond.com

OK, gotta call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards - stay healthy.

I thought it would be Franklin Graham but then again I think Graham just Rudys himself when Trump craps on the Bible.

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Nyet  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:06:14pm

re: #189 Patricia Kayden

your election process is a complete catastrophe

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Belafon  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:06:52pm

re: #187 ericblair

I’m thinking one thing that would help Democrats sell court reform is this yes-you-can/no-you-can’t/yes-you-can/no-you-can’t madness of duelling courts. It gets pretty obvious to anyone affected that this isn’t just balls-and-strikes but flat out political warfare and there’s nothing holy and pure about them as they currently are.

Which won’t really sell since those opposed will see adding seats as just skewing it to the other side.

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Jack Burton  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:07:14pm

re: #151 jaunte

Big old Back the Blue GOP hootenanny this noon in Houston:

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Austin, TX isn’t even in the top 30 for homicide rate.

Chicago, the other fascist-boogieman isn’t in the top 30 either.

Detroit is #9 though.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:07:17pm

“Anonymous” was a hustle.

Most of Never Trump is a hustle.

Disavowal is aesthetically pleasing and gets you donations and book deals, but the agenda that makes Trump such a terrible president is…the existing Republican set of objectives.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:07:39pm

re: #193 Nyet

I can’t disagree with you. Sigh.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:07:56pm

re: #184 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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this is the heart of science: describing what works.

- the core of science is not controlled experiment or mathematical modeling; it is intellectual honesty.

- science being the accumulated body of knowledge, only moves in one direction regardless of what individual scientists / researchers may do. Regardless of what twisted and tortured ‘opposing opinions’ may be generated to appear ‘legitimate’. In the long run, the cream rises and the rest doesn’t. The cream rises because it reflects what works.

Anti-climate change, anti-mask, anti-vax, flat earth, etc - what they are all doing is substituting bad rhetoric for actual proof. Because there is nothing empirical to support their assertions.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:08:18pm

So I guess Hong Kong is now a police state.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:09:05pm
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Belafon  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:10:20pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Trump would lose so badly it would be funny to me.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:10:57pm

re: #194 Belafon

Which won’t really sell since those opposed will see adding seats as just skewing it to the other side.

If we take the Senate and the Presidency, we ignore them. They started destroying comity of the parties under Newt Gingrich. Mitch McConnell accellerated to attempting to destroy our democratic republic.

Let ‘em whinge. They don’t like it, too bad.

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NetworkKed  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:11:19pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

I’d pay to see Trump on an honest, Nevada-regulated scales for a weigh-in.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:11:19pm

re: #190 🌹UOJB!

I do not care if Republicans block it. If I was Joe I would accept a warrant from the World Court, put Steven Miller in cuffs and leg irons and put him on a plane to The Hague.

Why just Steven Miller? He only has the power that Trump grants him. Trump needs to go first. He hired Steven and supported him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:12:08pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

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He really believes he’s a Ben Garrison cartoon, how cute.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:13:01pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:13:46pm

re: #170 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Good polls have moved Biden’s lead in Arizona to 3.5 points. If Biden wins Arizona, he could lose all the close states and Pennsylvania, and still get 270 electoral votes by winning either Nb 2d or Me 2d.

And once again, the pundits all descend on the favourite game every four years of gaming out a win which goes through NE-2.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:17:27pm

re: #199 Patricia Kayden

So I guess Hong Kong is now a police state.

I never imagined a scenario when the United Kingdom withdrew from Hong Kong that the People’s Republic of China would actually respect a “two systems, one country” rule for fifty years.

The only surprise I have is how long it took them to get around to this. No one is in any position to enforce the agreement between the UK and PRC.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:18:42pm

re: #204 Hecuba’s daughter

Why just Steven Miller? He only has the power that Trump grants him. Trump needs to go first. He hired Steven and supported him.

Hecuba, I want New York AG Leticia James to have the first shot and butt bongo Trump’s ass to the point his cheeks bleed and then some.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:19:45pm

re: #209 🌹UOJB!

Hecuba, I want New York AG Leticia James to have the first shot and butt bongo Trump’s ass to the point his cheeks bleed and then some.

And New York seize his trash palace for tax evasion.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:19:52pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Trump is the pro-wrestling President. We knew that when he was running, and Trump has demonstrated that over and over.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:21:02pm

re: #209 🌹UOJB!

Hecuba, I want New York AG Leticia James to have the first shot and butt bongo Trump’s ass to the point his cheeks bleed and then some.

I’m certain they’re already investigating him. A lot of shoes are gonna drop once Barr can’t use DOJ as the Trump attorney office.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:21:13pm

re: #207 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And once again, the pundits all descend on the favourite game every four years of gaming out a win which goes through NE-2.

from a tipping point state perspective, nebraska is third from the most reliably solid red of all states, after wyoming and idaho. this is basically a pointless exercise. (sorry)

while it might be an indicator of the nature of the race as a whole, it’s not a requirement for biden and trump’s got way bigger problems holding on to texas, ohio and montana (barely R) and fighting to win FL, NC, GA, IA, AZ (barely D) before it even gets close to mattering.

if he were to win all those states, we’d have a way more fundamental problem

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b.d.  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:21:26pm

Make it so:

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Nyet  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:21:56pm

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I never imagined a scenario when the United Kingdom withdrew from Hong Kong that the People’s Republic of China would actually respect a “two systems, one country” rule for fifty years.

The only surprise I have is how long it took them to get around to this. No one is in any position to enforce the agreement between the UK and PRC.

Shouldn’t have withdrawn.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:22:29pm

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:22:42pm

Zeta is really moving quickly now. It’s not a particularly strong hurricane, but the forward speed will likely mean hurricane-force winds over a large region.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:23:51pm

re: #213 dangerman

from a tipping point state perspective, nebraska is third from the most reliably solid red of all states, after wyoming and idaho. this is basically a pointless exercise. (sorry)

while it might be an indicator of the nature of the race as a whole, it’s not a requirement for biden and trump’s got way bigger problems holding on to texas, ohio and montana (barely R) and fighting to win FL, NC, GA, IA, AZ (barely D) before it even gets close to mattering.

if he were to win all those states, we’d have a way more fundamental problem

Nebraska is reliably red, but NE-2 is a swing district and the state divides its electoral votes. That’s why we get that punditry every four years.

Rep. Don Bacon was elected in 2016 with Donald Trump. Prior to that, the district was represented by a Democrat. Barack Obama took the district in 2008.

Currently polling shows NE-2 as a Democratic lean (earlier in the race it was a toss-up).

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:24:38pm

No seriously, fuck this “enemy of my enemy is my friend” shit.

Why would anyone pretend this guy was doing anything other than covering his ass?

What’s patriotic about whinging about how you’re unappreciated because you’re shaving down the rough edges on the child-king’s stupid plans...that coincidentally are just shoddy implementations of existing party policy that is also cruel and ineffective?

The attempt to narrativize this guy as a good’un demonstrates how this IS NOT ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING, it’s about creating a plausible deniability gap between Trump and the people who want the same things as Trump but done more artfully.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:26:10pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:26:30pm

re: #219 The Ghost of a Flea

Parents just happened to travel hundreds of miles through awful conditions, then simply abandoned their children at the border. Sure, Mr. Taylor.

Sadly, GOPers will buy it.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:26:57pm

re: #218 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Nebraska is reliably red, but NE-2 is a swing district and the state divides its electoral votes. That’s why we get that punditry every four years.

Rep. Don Bacon was elected in 2016 with Donald Trump. Prior to that, the district was represented by a Democrat. Barack Obama took the district in 2008.

Currently polling shows NE-2 as a Democratic lean (earlier in the race it was a toss-up).

oh i understand.
for the reasons above, it just doesn’t matter all that much.
- biden doesnt need it
- and if trump does come to rely on it because he did turn all those other states, then something else went really, really wrong

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:27:39pm

yep

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:28:04pm

re: #220 Dread Pirate Ron

But yet another reason for progressives to believe that Biden is not their guy?

I’m not trolling here. But given all the Republican endorsements, Wall Street endorsement, etc., isn’t Biden exactly the kind of Democrat that progressives were loudly eschewing not long ago?

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:28:46pm

re: #219 The Ghost of a Flea

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No seriously, fuck this “enemy of my enemy is my friend” shit.

Why would anyone pretend this guy was doing anything other than covering his ass?

What’s patriotic about whinging about how you’re unappreciated because you’re shaving down the rough edges on the child-king’s stupid plans...that coincidentally are just shoddy implementations of existing party policy that is also cruel and ineffective?

The attempt to narrativize this guy as a good’un demonstrates how this IS NOT ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING, it’s about creating a plausible deniability gap between Trump and the people who want the same things as Trump but done more artfully.

him and the rest of them should all be Boltoned
which i nominate for Webster’s right beside Borked
for my money they’re close enough alphabetically

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Jack Burton  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:29:21pm

re: #215 Nyet

Shouldn’t have withdrawn.

Should have set it up as an independent nation. That agreement with China was with the Qing Dynasty, not the PRC. The UK didn’t *have* to continue with it.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:29:49pm

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Parents just happened to travel hundreds of miles through awful conditions, then simply abandoned their children at the border. Sure, Mr. Taylor.

Sadly, GOPers will buy it.

“We specifically created the conditions in which these parents might have to abandon their kids because the alternative was being returned to worse conditions. It’s a shame they had to abandon their kids.”

Over and over, they create the bad conditions, deny that the outcome will cause suffering, then declare that the result was inevitable or someone else’s fault.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:31:58pm

Great final week for Trump. Stock market dropping like a rock, a third covid wave sickening and killing thousands of Americans, news breaking that Trump funneled $2.5 million in taxpayer money into the Trump Organization, another covid outbreak in the VP’s office, and sending supporters to the hospital for hypothermia. How does this guy still have an 11% chance of winning? Because he has Fox News and the rest of the Russian/rightwing disinformation machine feeding poison to his cult’s brains.

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Nyet  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:32:01pm

re: #226 Jack Burton

Should have set it up as an independent nation. That agreement with China was with the Qing Dynasty, not the PRC. The UK didn’t *have* to continue with it.

zactly

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gocart mozart  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:33:13pm

This is a good movie. It’s about a fictional brokered convention.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:34:03pm

re: #226 Jack Burton

Should have set it up as an independent nation. That agreement with China was with the Qing Dynasty, not the PRC. The UK didn’t *have* to continue with it.

And then the People’s Army would’ve marched in, and noone could’ve stopped them. The UK did as best it could.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:35:03pm

re: #93 🌹UOJB!

dying of laughter here looking at my brainwashed family’s e-mails claiming that Sacha Baron Cohen is a Mafia hit man who failed to take out Giuliani.

Tell me how Borat was going to take out Rudy when he couldn’t hide a gun or even a strand of piano wire in his thong! 😂🤣😝🥴!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:35:30pm

re: #219 The Ghost of a Flea

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No seriously, fuck this “enemy of my enemy is my friend” shit.

Why would anyone pretend this guy was doing anything other than covering his ass?

What’s patriotic about whinging about how you’re unappreciated because you’re shaving down the rough edges on the child-king’s stupid plans...that coincidentally are just shoddy implementations of existing party policy that is also cruel and ineffective?

The attempt to narrativize this guy as a good’un demonstrates how this IS NOT ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING, it’s about creating a plausible deniability gap between Trump and the people who want the same things as Trump but done more artfully.

He’s trying to evoke the image of babies being handed to soldiers as they evacuated from Vietnam. I’m sure it’s sounds plausible to Republicans.

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Jack Burton  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:35:42pm

re: #231 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And then the People’s Army would’ve marched in, and noone could’ve stopped them. The UK did as best it could.

Well there used to be this thing… called nuclear deterrence.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:35:59pm

re: #230 gocart mozart

This is a good movie. It’s about a fictional brokered convention.

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i also recommend “Advise and Consent”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:36:14pm

re: #222 dangerman

oh i understand.
for the reasons above, it just doesn’t matter all that much.
- biden doesnt need it
- and if trump does come to rely on it because he did turn all those other states, then something else went really, really wrong

Dr. Jill Biden did come to Omaha a few weeks ago in support of her hub and Rep. Bacon’s challenger Kara Eastman.

You picked Biden to win Nebraska’s 2nd District. In this scenario, Biden would be clearly favored to win the election, with a 97 in 100 chance.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:36:25pm

re: #152 Mike Lamb

1982: I pulled my ‘73 Monte Carlo into a gas station in Goodyear, AZ

I noticed a girl who filled her jeans nicely and three cowboys who were eyeing me as someone to do a beat down on

Just then my tank clicked full with a dollar and change left on the prepay

My choice was to leave the change
I got in the car, popped the Allman Brothers in the cassette deck and blew out of there and was into the range before “Jessica” ended
I was in the center of town

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:37:50pm

re: #212 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m certain they’re already investigating him. A lot of shoes are gonna drop once Barr can’t use DOJ as the Trump attorney office.

Not to mention that Don would be back to actually having to pay his lawyers rather than having the government do it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:38:02pm

re: #234 Jack Burton

Well there used to be this thing… called nuclear deterrence.

You think either the UK or the US would start WWIII over Hong Kong?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:38:51pm

re: #238 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Not to mention that Don would be back to actually having to pay his lawyers rather than having the government do it.

Yep. A lot is going to be crashing on Trump’s head.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:39:16pm

re: #237 So Cal Greek Hippie

1982: I pulled my ‘73 Monte Carlo into a gas station in Goodyear, AZ

I noticed a girl who filled her jeans nicely and three cowboys who were eyeing me as someone to do a beat down on my tank clicked full with a dollar and change left on the prepay

My choice was to leave the change and I got in the car, popped the Allman Brothers in the cassette deck and blew out of there and was into the range before “Jessica” ended
I was in the center of town

Brothers and Sisters, or one of the lives?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:39:42pm

re: #220 Dread Pirate Ron

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Could also be that the Wall Street types are knowledgeable enough to know that contributions to Trump will just be stolen and not actually gain them anything.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:39:48pm

re: #238 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Not to mention that Don would be back to actually having to pay
stiff his lawyers rather than having the government do it.

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Jack Burton  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:40:45pm

re: #239 NO SMOCKING GUN!

You think either the UK or the US would start WWIII over Hong Kong?

That’s not the question. The question is would the PRC risk it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:41:15pm

re: #226 Jack Burton

Should have set it up as an independent nation. That agreement with China was with the Qing Dynasty, not the PRC. The UK didn’t *have* to continue with it.

Would have demonstrated once again that Western countries have total contempt for nations led by non-Caucasians. Given the absolutely disgraceful way the British and its East India Company treated China during the nineteenth century, imported opium into the country to addict its residents (think of East India Company as being a Columbian cartel) and forced the Hong Kong agreement on them, it would have been an absolute disgrace to say our treaties mean nothing. And given that China is no longer a battered nation that vultures can prey upon, it would not have worked well for Great Britain to demonstrate such arrogance.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:41:32pm

re: #236 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Dr. Jill Biden did come to Omaha a few weeks ago in support of her hub and Rep. Bacon’s challenger Kara Eastman.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

we are just having fun here

Philip Bump calculates that if Joe Biden holds every state where he hasn’t trailed in the polling averages since 100 days prior to the election, he’ll win 334 electoral votes.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:41:58pm

re: #242 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Could also be that the Wall Street types are knowledgeable enough to know that contributions to Trump will just be stolen and not actually gain them anything.

I think Wall Street types honestly get a bad rap. I mean yeah a lot of them are assholes but I never liked the cartoon of the greedy Wall Street type.

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plansbandc  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:43:30pm

I just tweeted probably my most controversial opinion about art I’ve ever tweeted. Have a feeling I’m gonna pay for it. :D

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:43:56pm

Today I learned some history:

Had never heard of this.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:44:23pm

re: #135 Teddy’s Person ✌

I’ve been thinking about where Barrett’s place would be in the Republic of Gilead. She wouldn’t be a Handmaid or a Martha. She’d be a Serena Joy (commander’s wife). One of the women who helped create the theocracy then willing sat down, shut up and accepted that it was illegal for women to read.

She strikes me as being more of an Aunt Lydia.

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Jack Burton  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:45:37pm

re: #245 Hecuba’s daughter

Had the UK just remained and said “fuck you” I’d agree with this. Having a referendum on the return, and then following the wishes of that vote, had it been for independence doesn’t demonstrate contempt for anything but authoritarian regimes.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:46:34pm

re: #135 Teddy’s Person ✌

I’ve been thinking about where Barrett’s place would be in the Republic of Gilead. She wouldn’t be a Handmaid or a Martha. She’d be a Serena Joy (commander’s wife). One of the women who helped create the theocracy then willing sat down, shut up and accepted that it was illegal for women to read.

but, but but, she’s a mom of school aged children…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:46:46pm

re: #244 Jack Burton

That’s not the question. The question is would the PRC risk it.

They would, because for nuclear deterrence to be effective, it has to be credible. The UK and the US would not start WWIII over Hong Kong, and the PRC knows it.

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Belafon  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:47:02pm

re: #224 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

But yet another reason for progressives to believe that Biden is not their guy?

I’m not trolling here. But given all the Republican endorsements, Wall Street endorsement, etc., isn’t Biden exactly the kind of Democrat that progressives idiots who don’t understand how America works were loudly eschewing not long ago?

I’m a progressive. I understand the difference between capitalism and our actual economy, and Wall Street and donations made by people who work there.

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Jack Burton  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:49:14pm

re: #253 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They would, because for nuclear deterrence to be effective, it has to be credible. The UK and the US would not start WWIII over Hong Kong, and the PRC knows it.

Back then, China might not have been so sure. Honestly nothing is worth WW3, but 20th century authoritarian paranoia might have seen it differently.

This is before we let Putin get away almost scot-free with Cosplaying Hitler in Ukraine and Georgia.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:49:32pm

re: #254 Belafon

I’m a progressive. I understand the difference between capitalism and our actual economy, and Wall Street and donations made by people who work there.

Just like I’m a critic of the fossil fuel industry and I understood exactly why Beto O’Rourke got tons of donations from people who worked in those industries which Elizabeth Bruening formerly of the WaPo and now of the NYT didn’t understand. My cousin works on Wall Street. I don’t know her exact ideology but I do know that when her dad came out, she was very supportive. I”m gonna be blunt here but I really think alot of self fancied progressives care more about their perceived ideological purity than actually getting shit done and that’s what hurt Obama. I’m looking at you Michael Moore and Bill Maher smugly proclaiming that you didn’t vote for Obama to be a white man.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:49:47pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:51:20pm

re: #257 Patricia Kayden

I love the pitchpot. In this Ohio diner, voters don’t know what a mamala is but do what a mother is.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:52:18pm

re: #233 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He’s trying to evoke the image of babies being handed to soldiers as they evacuated from Vietnam. I’m sure it’s sounds plausible to Republicans.

Creating the problem, denying it’s a problem as it mounts in significance, and then po’faced mourning the desperate solution while refusing to acknowledge that you are the thing that made this happen?

These people are consistent.

Gonna be great when they do this for climate catastrophes.

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KGxvi  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:53:08pm

re: #253 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They would, because for nuclear deterrence to be effective, it has to be credible. The UK and the US would not start WWIII over Hong Kong, and the PRC knows it.

We might not start WW3 over Hong Kong, but… the threat a unified embargo of Chinese goods by the US, UK, EU, and other allies might be enough to keep Chinese ambitions at bay.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:53:35pm

re: #255 Jack Burton

Back then, China might not have been so sure. Honestly nothing is worth WW3, but 20th century authoritarian paranoia might have seen it differently.

This is before we let Putin get away almost scot-free with Cosplaying Hitler in Ukraine and Georgia.

The PRC would’ve seen it as a clear affront to their sovereignty, and a massive loss of face if they acquiesced. At the very least, they would’ve clamped a blockade on HK and starved it out, but probably would’ve marched the army in and dared the UK to do anything about it, which of course they wouldn’t.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:54:23pm

fwiw

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:54:48pm

re: #260 KGxvi

We might not start WW3 over Hong Kong, but… the threat a unified embargo of Chinese goods by the US, UK, EU, and other allies might be enough to keep Chinese ambitions at bay.

Xi to me is a byproduct of the expanding nationalist mindset we’ve seen rise in recent years. I really hope that a Biden presidency and will lead the world away from that stupidity which led to two terrible world wars last century. And nationalism has gotten worse since then.

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KGxvi  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:55:09pm

Taiwan and Hong Kong (and probably Macau, actually) are going to be serious diplomatic hot spots in this decade. They probably all deserve independence, but I’m not sure western leaders have the stomach for that potential conflict.

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KGxvi  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:56:54pm

re: #263 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Xi to me is a byproduct of the expanding nationalist mindset we’ve seen rise in recent years. I really hope that a Biden presidency and will lead the world away from that stupidity which led to two terrible world wars last century. And nationalism has gotten worse since then.

lot of isms making the world a less good place…
Obligatory:

Ferris Bueller - Isms

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:57:26pm

re: #260 KGxvi

We might not start WW3 over Hong Kong, but… the threat a unified embargo of Chinese goods by the US, UK, EU, and other allies might be enough to keep Chinese ambitions at bay.

And when that gamble failed, the people of HK would’ve been far worse off than they were for the 20 years the PRC abided by the agreement. The UK made the best of the situation as it existed.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:57:51pm

re: #264 KGxvi

Taiwan and Hong Kong (and probably Macau, actually) are going to be serious diplomatic hot spots in this decade. They probably all deserve independence, but I’m not sure western leaders have the stomach for that potential conflict.

I definitely do fear another World War happening at some point. I don’t know when but there’s a lot brewing.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:57:59pm

re: #254 Belafon

I’m a progressive. I understand the difference between capitalism and our actual economy, and Wall Street and donations made by people who work there.

Is this donation thing by Wall Street where Biden got tens of millions more than Trump, followed by bleating that Biden would be owned by bankers, more of the same they tried to do with Beto O’Rourke and “oil industry donations?”

In the latter, it turned out to be a hit job, where FEC filings were scoured for the employment listing requirement on political donations, and every person who donated whether a CEO or just a pipefitter were listed as “BIG OIL”

There are a whole lot of people who work in investment houses, banks, the NYSE itself, &c who aren’t “Wall Street bankers.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:59:18pm

re: #264 KGxvi

One thing which we can’t overlook is that Hong Kong issue was seen by many Chinese as a remnant of British colonialism.

China wanting Hong Kong as fully part of its nation-state was not a communist belief - it was a Chinese belief.

It is sad that the totalitarian nature of the Chinese government is destroying what should have been a better way to live for all of China. But I suspect you will find few Chinese (in the PRC) who don’t want Hong Kong to be fully under the PRC.

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Jack Burton  Oct 28, 2020 • 1:59:42pm

re: #261 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The PRC would’ve seen it as a clear affront to their sovereignty, and a massive loss of face if they acquiesced. At the very least, they would’ve clamped a blockade on HK and starved it out, but probably would’ve marched the army in and dared the UK to do anything about it, which of course they wouldn’t.

More realistically… China wanted so desperately bad to be part of the world community and fix it’s economy at that time.

There could be massive sanctions, an embargo by the much of the rest of the world. China was trying to get into the WTO at that point, they could kiss those ambitions goodbye.

“Most favored nation” trade status… not anymore.

Would marching into Hong Kong to make it a police state been worth all of that?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:01:20pm

Eye of Zeta already on shore.

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aatharuv  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:02:04pm

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I never imagined a scenario when the United Kingdom withdrew from Hong Kong that the People’s Republic of China would actually respect a “two systems, one country” rule for fifty years.

The only surprise I have is how long it took them to get around to this. No one is in any position to enforce the agreement between the UK and PRC.

In some respects Hong Kong was at least for about 2 decades, more free and more democratic than Hong Kong under British rule, due to the lack of arbitary British colonial rules against protest, and greater if still flawed democracy. Arguably, it’s still freer than Singapore, which is _nominally_ a democracy.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:02:41pm

“Eye of Zeta” sounds like the title of one of those very cheap fantasy films with macho dudes fighting monsters, and women in skimpy clothes running around for no reason.

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Jack Burton  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:04:40pm

re: #269 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

One thing which we can’t overlook is that Hong Kong issue was seen by many Chinese as a remnant of British colonialism.

China wanting Hong Kong as fully part of its nation-state was not a communist belief - it was a Chinese belief.

It is sad that the totalitarian nature of the Chinese government is destroying what should have been a better way to live for all of China. But I suspect you will find few Chinese (in the PRC) who don’t want Hong Kong to be fully under the PRC.

I’m not concerned with it being a “Chinese Belief” as much as I am with it being a “Hong Kong resident belief”.

No one gave a shit what Serbians felt about the rest of Yugoslavia.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:04:50pm

re: #257 Patricia Kayden

Under that…

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sagehen  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:04:54pm

re: #247 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I think Wall Street types honestly get a bad rap. I mean yeah a lot of them are assholes but I never liked the cartoon of the greedy Wall Street type.

Realistic interpretation of data is kind of their thing. It’s not easy to spin them.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:05:10pm

Texas is way ahead of the curve on early voting.


From Washington Post

Would explain the decreasing lines.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:05:36pm

re: #275 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Under that…

She’s definitely not the average Fairfax resident I can tell you that much.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:07:15pm
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Nyet  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:07:22pm

re: #274 Jack Burton

I’m not concerned with it being a “Chinese Belief” as much as I am with it being a “Hong Kong resident belief”.

No one gave a shit what Serbians felt about the rest of Yugoslavia.

And nobody should care about what some dictatorship thinks, unless absolutely necessary.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:07:32pm

re: #193 Nyet

your election process is a complete catastrophe

This is a bit both-siderish. Most of the problems are because one party is doing its level best to make the election catastrophic.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:07:43pm

re: #262 dangerman

Nope. Don’t trust Rubin. Thanks Flake but you wrought this. Rubin, too.

He’s not a hero.

She’s not a friend.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:08:32pm

re: #251 Jack Burton

Had the UK just remained and said “fuck you” I’d agree with this. Having a referendum on the return, and then following the wishes of that vote, had it been for independence doesn’t demonstrate contempt for anything but authoritarian regimes.

PRC was a different animal in some ways when Deng Xiaoping began negotiations—extremely poor, but modernizing. A lot of fools, me included, thought that this authoritarian regime might tend toward a more democratic future.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:08:58pm

re: #264 KGxvi

Taiwan and Hong Kong (and probably Macau, actually) are going to be serious diplomatic hot spots in this decade. They probably all deserve independence, but I’m not sure western leaders have the stomach for that potential conflict.

I’m sure they don’t.

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plansbandc  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:09:21pm

The only thing the Presidential fridge poll shows is both sides of the aisle eat like crap.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:09:25pm

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Barack Obama held back his most biting critiques of President Donald Trump in the first years of his post-presidency, hoping the lack of constant attacks would make his voice even more powerful at a time he thought it was most needed.

He must have read his Pushkin, in Boris Godunov, The Czar explains to his son: “The royal voice must never lose itself / Upon the air in emptiness, but like / A sacred bell must sound but to announce / Some great disaster or great festival.”

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Charles Johnson  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:10:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:10:23pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:10:36pm

re: #283 Barefoot Grin

PRC was a different animal in some ways when Deng Xiaoping began negotiations—extremely poor, but modernizing. A lot of fools, me included, thought that this authoritarian regime might tend toward a more democratic future.

I think a lot of Cold War era thesis about economics and democracy have been disproved. Now, I do believe in free trade. However, I think democratic institutions that respect human rights matter more than markets. And I think what we’re seeing in China as well as Hungary and Poland prove that capitalism doesn’t always translate to a liberal democracy.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:11:41pm

re: #279 Patricia Kayden

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we bought our champagne (actually brut rose) today

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:12:51pm

re: #282 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Nope. Don’t trust Rubin. Thanks Flake but you wrought this. Rubin, too.

He’s not a hero.

She’s not a friend.

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just a few more days we gotta be ‘nice’

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:13:57pm

re: #284 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m sure they don’t.

Tough choices, because Japan and South Korea still want US security, and ASEAN nations are also between a rock and a hard place—the majority have China as their major trading partner, but still rely on the US as the offset. An invasion of Taiwan will have unanticipated effects across the region and will draw the US in whether it wants to or not.

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Nyet  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:14:00pm

re: #282 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Nope. Don’t trust Rubin. Thanks Flake but you wrought this. Rubin, too.

He’s not a hero.

She’s not a friend.

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hear, hear!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:14:04pm

re: #270 Jack Burton

More realistically… China wanted so desperately bad to be part of the world community and fix it’s economy at that time.

There could be massive sanctions, an embargo by the much of the rest of the world. China was trying to get into the WTO at that point, they could kiss those ambitions goodbye.

“Most favored nation” trade status… not anymore.

Would marching into Hong Kong to make it a police state been worth all of that?

You are forgetting that big business was salivating for all of that as well, which is one reason the UK would never have confronted the PRC like that. But yes, some things matter more than money, and the PRC would not have let what they would’ve seen as a massive disrespect of their sovreignty stand.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:14:13pm

re: #165 Patricia Kayden

France and Germany announce second national lockdowns to curb soaring coronavirus infections

Cannot call it a “lockdown” in Germany, which is doing relatively well compared to its neighbors: no curfew or movement restrictions, but bars, clubs, hotels, restaurants are closed (except for take-out), as are all public events.

Still sucks, though.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:14:37pm

starting over….

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mmmirele  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:14:42pm

re: #191 Dr Lizardo

Worst. Baptism. Ever.

richmond.com

OK, gotta call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards - stay healthy.

This guy got the Detroit police and a Detroit TV station to hold back his hame because he claimed to be a “famous pastor.” This set off a scramble to identify the NC peeing pastor among the famous ones: JD Greear (current president of the Southern Baptist Convention), Steven Furtick (pastor of megachurch Elevation), Will Graham (grandson of Billy) and I’m sure I’m forgetting one. Even Rev. William Barber (head of the Poor Peoples’ Campaign) was named as a possibility, even though he walks with a cane, and then it came out that the peeing pastor is white.

The “pastor’ is only famous in his own head. He’s from Australia and he and his current wife have been bouncing around the charismatic sector of Evangelicalism for the last decade. Wife #2 was apparently at Bethel Redding until they moved to Raleigh in 2018. She has some connections to the charismatic church in Las Vegas that Trump was at 10 days ago. I have a friend doing a deep dive on Daniel Chalmers.

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Nyet  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:14:53pm

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

France and Germany announce second national lockdowns to curb soaring coronavirus infections

Cannot call it a “lockdown” in Germany, which is doing relatively well compared to its neighbors: no curfew or movement restrictions, but bars, clubs, hotels, restaurants are closed (except for take-out), as are all public events.

Still sucks, though.

Shutdown.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:15:40pm

re: #290 dangerman

we bought our champagne (actually brut rose) today

I agree with that assessment based on a few factors:
1) Covid, you can’t escape this issue if your Trump and it is THE issue
2) Biden, he actually outperformed his primary polls
3) The electorate, Biden’s support is in parts of the country that are growing and are among the undecided voters, Trump’s is not.
4) Did I mention Covid?
I really think Biden ends up with the biggest win a Democrat has had in my lifetime on Tuesday. You think Iowa farmers who saw their land impacted by natural disasters like seeing Trump cry on TV about how unfair it was that tornadoes got mentioned on the news rather than a token Nobel Peace Prize nomination? I mean I get frustrated with how fickle the electorate is and how it falls for right wing bullshit but you can’t hide from reality during a pandemic.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:17:33pm

re: #219 The Ghost of a Flea

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No seriously, fuck this “enemy of my enemy is my friend” shit.

Why would anyone pretend this guy was doing anything other than covering his ass?

What’s patriotic about whinging about how you’re unappreciated because you’re shaving down the rough edges on the child-king’s stupid plans...that coincidentally are just shoddy implementations of existing party policy that is also cruel and ineffective?

The attempt to narrativize this guy as a good’un demonstrates how this IS NOT ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING, it’s about creating a plausible deniability gap between Trump and the people who want the same things as Trump but done more artfully.

Case by case basis, Ghost. Some few might be salvageable.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:17:42pm

in addition to the nuclear codes, all these people believe him and agree with him too!

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piratedan  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:17:58pm

re: #288 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

as far as I understand it, no shoes, no shirt, no service has been completely and totally enforceable for the last 60 years, if they don’t want to wear a mask, then they are welcome to go and find a business that will accommodate them.

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Jack Burton  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:19:50pm

re: #302 dangerman

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in addition to the nuclear codes, all these people believe him and agree with him too!

A special mask… You can’t take it off. lolwut?

Hey Clownstick,

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:20:05pm

re: #303 piratedan

as far as I understand it, no shoes, no shirt, no service has been completely and totally enforceable for the last 60 years, if they don’t want to wear a mask, then they are welcome to go and find a business that will accommodate them.

It’s precious how the conservatives who tell us that a baker can refuse to serve a gay customer because of “religious liberty” but a yogurt shop can’t want to protect its other customers and employees during a pan-fucking-demic with a mask mandate. That’s what happens when your view of law comes from dishonest actors like Ben Shapiro.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:20:25pm

re: #234 Jack Burton

Well there used to be this thing… called nuclear deterrence.

When the USSR split up, it left Ukraine with the 5th largest nuclear arsenal in the world. They agreed to disarm completely in exchange for assurances from the West to help defend their territorial integrity.

Since we reneged on that end of the deal, shouldn’t we give them their nukes back?

/

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:20:33pm

re: #303 piratedan

as far as I understand it, no shoes, no shirt, no service has been completely and totally enforceable for the last 60 years, if they don’t want to wear a mask, then they are welcome to go and find a business that will accommodate them.

some time back, ‘shirt and shoes must be worn’ created a lot of trouble around here ;-)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:20:53pm

re: #292 Barefoot Grin

Tough choices, because Japan and South Korea still want US security, and ASEAN nations are also between a rock and a hard place—the majority have China as their major trading partner, but still rely on the US as the offset. An invasion of Taiwan will have unanticipated effects across the region and will draw the US in whether it wants to or not.

Taiwan is one thing, because it has established itself as a democratic nation. But cities on the Chinese mainland, incapable of defending themselves, aren’t a hill anyone is going to be willing to die on.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:21:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:21:35pm

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Yes—the last map showed the cone of uncertainty was quite narrow, centered on NOLA.

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dangerman  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:21:43pm

re: #305 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s precious how the conservatives who tell us that a baker can refuse to serve a gay customer because of “religious liberty” but a yogurt shop can’t want to protect its other customers and employees during a pan-fucking-demic with a mask mandate. That’s what happens when your view of law comes from dishonest actors like Ben Shapiro.

the yogurt shop can, as long as it’s refusing gay non-maskers

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Nyet  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:21:54pm

re: #298 mmmirele

Origen (2nd century) is the first to comment on the passage: he denies historicity and interprets it as metaphorical, where the Temple is the soul of a person freed from earthly things thanks to Jesus. On the contrary, John Chrysostom (v. 391) defended the historical authenticity of this passage, but if he considered that Jesus had used the whip against the merchants in addition to the other beasts, he specified that it was to show his divinity and that Jesus was not to be imitated.
Theodore of Mopsuestia (in 381) - who answered, during the First Council of Constantinople, to the bishop Rabbula, accused of striking his clerics and to justify himself by the purification of the Temple - and Cosmas Indicopleustes (v. 550) supported that the event is non-violent and historical: Jesus whips sheep and bulls, but speaks only to merchants and only overturns their tables.
Augustine of Hippo (v. 398-401) was the first great theologian to comment on this passage to justify the use of violence by Christians. Petilian of Constantine, Donatist bishop of Cirta, supported a non-violent Christianity, and reproached Catholic Christianity for transgressing this non-violence. The Bishop of Hippo answered him by interpreting the purification of the temple as a moment when Jesus was persecutor of the merchants of the temple. According to Alexis-Baker, it is by the importance of Augustine that his interpretation was followed by the Christians to justify an ever increasing violence.
Gregory VII (in 1075), quoting Gregory the Great, relies on this passage to justify his policy against the simonic clergy, compared to the merchants. Other medieval Catholic figures will do the same, such as Bernard of Clairvaux who preached the crusade, claiming that fighting the “pagans” with the same zeal that Jesus displayed against the merchants was a way of salvation.
During the Protestant Reformation, John Calvin (in 1554), in the line of Augustine of Hippo and the Gregories, defended himself by using (among other things) the purification of the temple, when he was accused of having helped to burn Michael Servetus alive, theologian who denied the divinity of Jesus.
Alexis-Baker indicates that, while the majority of English-speaking Bibles include humans, sheep and cattle in the lashes, the original text is more complex, and after grammatical analysis, he concludes that the text does not describe a violent act of Jesus against the merchants.

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Jack Burton  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:22:07pm

re: #306 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When the USSR split up, it left Ukraine with the 5th largest nuclear arsenal in the world. They agreed to disarm completely in exchange for agreements to defend their territorial integrity.

Since we reneged on that end of the deal, shouldn’t we give them their nukes back?

/

That’s why I said “used to be”.

Followed by a post about how we let Putin get away with Cosplaying Hitler in Ukraine and Georgia.

They are all pushing buttons to see how much they can get away with.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:22:11pm

re: #226 Jack Burton

Should have set it up as an independent nation. That agreement with China was with the Qing Dynasty, not the PRC. The UK didn’t *have* to continue with it.

It’s been a while since all that happened, but I seem to remember a lot of Hong Kongers who were delirious with joy at leaving GB and rejoining China.

(I’m one of the people who thought it would come to this.)

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:24:12pm
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DodgerFan1988  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:24:38pm
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cat-tikvah  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:25:42pm

re: #262 dangerman

If only he’d been in some sort of government position to oppose trump with action when it mattered most……

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:26:23pm

re: #308 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Taiwan is one thing, because it has established itself as a democratic nation. But cities on the Chinese mainland, incapable of defending themselves, aren’t a hill anyone is going to be willing to die on.

There is no upside, for sure. And you’re right, that was the calculation in WWII as well, much to Chiang Kai-Shek’s frustration.

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Belafon  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:27:11pm

re: #316 DodgerFan1988

Castro.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:28:34pm

re: #309 Teddy’s Person ✌

Interesting ruling but that’s going to be a doozy to enforce. I guess the court will have to force them to read a prepared script.

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jaunte  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:29:34pm

The GOP is a vexatious litigant.

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Jack Burton  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:29:46pm

re: #314 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

It’s been a while since all that happened, but I seem to remember a lot of Hong Kongers who were delirious with joy at leaving GB and rejoining China.

(I’m one of the people who thought it would come to this.)

In 1997, 35% of the population of Hong Kong supported the handover. A whopping 48% were “neutral” on subject. 9% were completely opposed. The remaining 8% were not elaborated on in the WP article.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:29:58pm
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sagehen  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:30:00pm

Barrett recuses herself from PA ballots case.

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Dopefish: Ever hopeful.  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:30:10pm

re: #321 jaunte

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The GOP is a vexatious litigant.

I’d be interested to know what’s different between Wisconsin’s case and Pennsylvania’s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:30:22pm

re: #304 Jack Burton

A special mask [in California]… You can’t take it off. lolwut?

/blockquote>

He is confusing it with underwear in Utah

327
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:30:36pm

re: #312 Nyet

I’m under the impression that modern NT scholars think the story is being misinterpreted, that the Jewish Temple at that time was quite huge, and busy.

Like the rest of the gospels, the mini-story within the larger story is put there by the author to accomplish the intent the author has, which in the case of “Mark” (the later gospels copied this one) can be seen as some sort of statement against the religious order.

What many Christians may not realize is that the selling in the Temple was part of keep the OT law, that Jews who had to travel great distances were not required to bring their own animals, but could buy them for sacrifice.

So the sellers in the Temple were doing no wrong.

So why did this cleansing-of-the-temple become part of “Mark“‘s story? Some commentators see this as not a cleansing at all (give the sellers are doing what is right) but a statement against the entire Jewish hierarchy and system.

328
Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:30:48pm

re: #321 jaunte

They’re fascists and anti-democratic.

329
Belafon  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:31:17pm

re: #323 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Who decided they didn’t want to do it again?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:32:05pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

110 mph winds at landfall, with a forward speed of 24 mph means it sucks right now to be on the right side of the eye.

331
Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:32:11pm

The professional makeup people assigned to paint Trump have apparently all quit and left the job to demented interior decorators best known for their work on Colombian drug cartel mansions on Star Island

332
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:32:27pm

re: #303 piratedan

as far as I understand it, no shoes, no shirt, no service has been completely and totally enforceable for the last 60 years, if they don’t want to wear a mask, then they are welcome to go and find a business that will accommodate them.

Onion had that nailed years ago

Nation’s Shirtless, Shoeless March On Washington For Equal-Service Rights

333
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:32:57pm

re: #324 sagehen

Barrett recuses herself from PA ballots case.

I’m not holding my breath that they’re not going to fuck shit up after the election.

334
Dopefish: Ever hopeful.  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:33:10pm

re: #331 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

The professional makeup people assigned to paint Trump have apparently all quit and left the job to demented interior decorators best known for their work on Colombian drug cartel mansions on Star Island

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Atomic Tangerine? That is actually a surprisingly accurate moniker for Trump.

335
Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:33:59pm

Hello from the Zeta zone!

We haven’t quite got to the main event yet but it is getting blustery by the minute. We are well stocked here. Hoping not to lose power but at least if we do, the weather behind the storm is cooler so we should be able to manage until the lights come back on.

336
Interesting Times  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:34:45pm

Cursing per sae shouldn’t be forbidden anyway - what matters most of all is the motive behind it:

337
🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:35:02pm

re: #316 DodgerFan1988

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:35:11pm

probably not the record Louisiana was looking foward to

339
nines09  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:35:25pm

340
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:35:51pm

re: #322 Jack Burton

In 1997, 35% of the population of Hong Kong supported the handover. A whopping 48% were “neutral” on subject. 9% were completely opposed. The remaining 8% were not elaborated on in the WP article.

That pretty much settles the issue that it would’ve been a massive act of folly to not negotiate a peaceful transition with the PRC.

341
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:37:28pm

re: #325 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’d be interested to know what’s different between Wisconsin’s case and Pennsylvania’s.

The latter is a decision of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, interpreting state law.

342
Patricia Kayden  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:38:04pm
343
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:38:07pm

re: #335 Eclectic Cyborg

Hello from the Zeta zone!

We haven’t quite got to the main event yet but it is getting blustery by the minute. We are well stocked here. Hoping not to lose power but at least if we do, the weather behind the storm is cooler so we should be able to manage until the lights come back on.

I just sent an E-mail to my wife’s ex-hub, as the National Weather Service in Knoxville just put up a tropical storm warning there.

344
Dr. Matt  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:38:14pm

re: #309 Teddy’s Person ✌

A federal judge in New York City just ordered Jacob Wohl to contact every single voter he previously robocalled—estimated to be in excess of 85,000—and tell them that the racist robocalls were false and illegal.
— Colin “Obscure Horror Movie Reference” Kalmbacher (@colinkalmbacher) October 28, 2020


*insert ROFL gif*

345
jamesfirecat  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:39:49pm

re: #309 Teddy’s Person ✌

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Sorry Dude (The Simpsons)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:40:20pm

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

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probably not the record Louisiana was looking foward to

But Louisiana will vote for Trump anyway. Go figure.

347
Belafon  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:40:21pm

re: #309 Teddy’s Person ✌

Put him in jail, in a room with a phone, and tell him he’s free when he calls everyone. And it will be up to a jailer to mark off each call he makes.

348
A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:40:51pm

re: #262 dangerman

fwiw

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If only he’d had a seat in a legislative body that had the power to check DT’s actions….

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:40:55pm
350
plansbandc  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:41:55pm

Yea, no. Celebrating a women who is going to trash women’s rights and queer rights? This seems to go against everything the modern Girl Scouts supposedly stand for. FFS

351
A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:42:59pm

re: #264 KGxvi

Taiwan and Hong Kong (and probably Macau, actually) are going to be serious diplomatic hot spots in this decade. They probably all deserve independence, but I’m not sure western leaders have the stomach for that potential conflict.

The only thing I can think of is that they should plan on making it as costly as possible for the PRC to act. Some foreign support would be nice, too.

352
The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:43:16pm

re: #301 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

Case by case basis, Ghost. Some few might be salvageable.

Shrug. Sure, somebody’s going to thread that needle. But right now, we’re dealing with:

1. There’s the guys who are basically ad men taking donations and paying themselves very well.

2. There’s the guys who desperately want to be rid of Trump’s embarrassing persona but are largely okay with his agenda because, I repeat, it’s 99% stuff the GOP wants. This includes the people who are just fine with his insane court appointees.

3. There’s the people who really see a problem with the GOP beyond Trump, but are solving that problem by trying to colonize the Democratic Party and pull it right.

Also, even people belonging to the “best” of these groups use bad faith both-sides arguments to deflect from the fact that they made the fascist party fascist through decades of bullshit, and that every single conservative position translated into policy has failed to produce the results that supposedly justified their implementation.

We’re being slowly killed by our national mythology, millions of people in other countries are dead and maimed because of our national mythology, and conservatism is nothing but just-so stories compiled to form that national mythology. All of the shit going wrong right now directly reflects (1) the shit that’s always been done to maintain a rural white oligarchy, (2) the complete contempt for self-determination in the face of massive profits for business entities that has defined our foreign policy, military policy, and intelligence operations.

So yeah, people are salvageable theoretically, but if they’re just going to revert to the soft-focus racist tropes of Reagan or deny that, say, George W Bush was just as bad a liar, then nothing’s going to change.

And, as I’ve said before, there is this gross abusive marriage component to American politics where Democrats are constantly bending themselves into pretzels, accepting minimal token efforts at comity as a sign that Republicans are back to normal. Meanwhile, people that point out that shit’s never been normal are viewed as rude and thus unserious.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:43:22pm

re: #349 Barefoot Grin

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Trump playing his greatest hits on his final tour, “Superspreader”

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Dopefish: Ever hopeful.  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:43:41pm

re: #349 Barefoot Grin

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He … does realize she’s not running for anything at all, right?

355
GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:43:44pm

re: #349 Barefoot Grin

He’s had 4 years to do so. Such a failure.

356
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:43:47pm

re: #350 plansbandc

Yea, no. Celebrating a women who is going to trash women’s rights and queer rights? This seems to go against everything the modern Girl Scouts supposedly stand for. FFS

They’re already getting dragged in the comments.

357
piratedan  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:47:59pm

re: #350 plansbandc

it’s cover just in case she was thinking of labelling them as a LGBTQ organization … /////

358
🌹UOJB!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:48:04pm

deadstate.org

COME AGAIN? Kenneth Copeland: Trump’s battle with coronavirus gave Christians ‘Holy Spirit immunity’

Someone PLEASE tell this Billionaire Pulpit Pimp that bullshit ain’t working in JohnMacArthur’s Pulpit Pimp Palace!

359
The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:48:29pm

re: #354 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

He … does realize she’s not running for anything at all, right?

Every conservative ad I get on Youtube that’s Kentucky-targeted mentions Barack Obama.

This is not about reality, this about anger and hate toward customary folk devils heightened to pornographic levels.

If they could get away with desecrating and burning effigies they’d do it.

360
BeachDem  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:48:34pm

re: #331 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

The professional makeup people assigned to paint Trump have apparently all quit and left the job to demented interior decorators best known for their work on Colombian drug cartel mansions on Star Island

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Perhaps he loaned his makeup people to Pence for his trip to South Carolina yesterday. The smarmy little asshole has never looked this red. (maybe it’s COVID—maybe it’s Maybelline…)

361
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:50:04pm

re: #360 BeachDem

Perhaps he loaned his makeup people to Pence for his trip to South Carolina yesterday. The smarmy little asshole has never looked this red. (maybe it’s COVID—maybe it’s Maybelline…)

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The more I see Pence the more I am reminded that he started his career off as a Rush Limbaugh knock off.

362
cat-tikvah  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:50:20pm

re: #348 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

Really. All talk, party line uber alles.

363
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:54:44pm

re: #350 plansbandc

Yea, no. Celebrating a women who is going to trash women’s rights and queer rights? This seems to go against everything the modern Girl Scouts supposedly stand for. FFS

They already deleted the second tweet in that two-tweet thread, which said if you wanted to be political, “keep scrolling.”

They are getting dragged over that as well.

364
Belafon  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:55:14pm

re: #361 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The more I see Pence the more I am reminded that he started his career off as a Rush Limbaugh knock off.

Like Dan Patrick here.

365
A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Oct 28, 2020 • 2:55:39pm

re: #320 Patricia Kayden

Interesting ruling but that’s going to be a doozy to enforce. I guess the court will have to force them to read a prepared script.

I would think another round of robocalls, using their voices, would do the trick.

366
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:00:02pm

Lre: #364 Belafon

Like Dan Patrick here.

Yep. And I think that’s why while Christie is superficially similar to Trump, Pence is more like him. Pence could never be a US Attorney.

367
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:01:48pm

Trump is in a town in a county that he won by 51% last time. He really isn’t that good at this.

368
makeitstop  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:03:43pm

Tell ‘em, Trent.

369
nines09  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:04:54pm

re: #368 makeitstop

When he broke loose he absolutely killed it.

370
So Cal Greek Hippie  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:06:40pm

re: #241 dangerman

Brothers and Sisters, bought at a truck stop

371
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:06:42pm

Rep. Don Bacon (R, NE-2) just got an October surprise, as allegations are raised funds intended for legislative and constituent services he instead used for a political consultant.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:08:10pm

I mean, at any point are we going to get more mad at the centrists and centrist-sounding grifters who’ve helped ruin the country for decades by refusing to acknowledge how bad the GOP have been?

Because leftists can be frustrating and leftist grifters are grifters and thus despicable…but they didn’t constantly make excuses for why the polite conservatives who were still doing nutjob authoritarian shit were actually good men and patriots.

Why do I see so much vitriol against the smallest bloc with the least power?

God, I’m fucking tired.

373
So Cal Greek Hippie  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:08:17pm

re: #249 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Big holiday in Greece 🇬🇷

374
Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:10:33pm

So I wake up to the news that “Anonymous” has come forward…and it’s a generic white guy who (like all the “heroes” of this administration) only found the courage to come forward after it would have made any difference.

The “Good Republicans” are jumpin’ ship so fast, even the rats are surprised.

375
makeitstop  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:11:02pm

BTS stans get some good press.

376
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:12:10pm

re: #373 So Cal Greek Hippie

Big holiday in Greece 🇬🇷

Awesome. I love learning about the resistance stories. My grandfather had cousins who were Slovene partisans.

377
The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:12:31pm
378
The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:13:50pm

I’m sorry, but the “only following orders” child thief being hailed as some kind of hero has just fucking done me in.

379
nines09  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:15:22pm

A younger me in my Bunky Big Rig traversing the Super Slabs and with 50,000 of unbridled forward motion screaming along to this going down a 1000 foot drop in a sleet storm.

Nine Inch Nails - Wish (Official Video)

380
Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:15:54pm

In related news, former Waffen-SS officials insist that they were silently opposed to Hitler, even though they actively supported extermination of “untermensch.”

///////

381
Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:18:12pm

re: #264 KGxvi

China has already retaliated against our defense industries with the latest sale of hardware to Taiwan.

If you really want to cause World War IV, you start with causing World War III and nuke Taiwan - and Trump wouldn’t bat an eyelash in making that happen.

382
Belafon  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:19:09pm

re: #378 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m sorry, but the “only following orders” child thief being hailed as some kind of hero has just fucking done me in.

I’ve already forgotten his name.

383
So Cal Greek Hippie  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:19:41pm

re: #376 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Thanks it was a harsh time in Europe so a lot of mythology about that day

I read a very interesting article in UK Guardian a few years ago about occupation of Athens during close of WWII

The British came and got rid of communist resistance people and reinstalled the fascists as police

It led to a splintering of society at war’s end because no one could hold the hero parade like other countries Golden Dawn and November 17 are the extreme edges of this split today

BTW My mom was a refugee in WWII who came to the US in 1950’s and carried a lot of internal trauma to her grave

384
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:21:23pm

re: #381 Eric The Fruit Bat

China has already retaliated against our defense industries with the latest sale of hardware to Taiwan.

If you really want to cause World War IV, you start with causing World War III and nuke Taiwan - and Trump wouldn’t bat an eyelash in making that happen.

WW IV will be fought with rocks and clubs.

385
The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:22:33pm

re: #380 Targetpractice

In related news, former Waffen-SS officials insist that they were silently opposed to Hitler, even though they actively supported extermination of “untermensch.”

///////

The Clean Wehrmacht myth is way too real and prevalent.

386
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:23:00pm

re: #368 makeitstop

387
Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:23:33pm

Let’s just save time: If you weren’t fired in a very public fashion by Trump for actively working to undermine his attacks on basic human decency and morality, then you belong in the same line as the assholes who worked to carry out those attacks. You’re not a “hero” for having a negative opinion of the man.

388
piratedan  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:25:00pm

in case there’s a need….

here’s a link that came across my book of faces feed for the speech that Harris gave in Tucson today..

facebook.com

socially distanced and everything, people attended in their cars, unlike… well y’know…

389
Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:27:34pm

re: #384 Colère Tueur de Lapin

WW IV will be fought with rocks and clubs.

Attributed to Einstein or a US Army Lieutenant.

snopes.com

390
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:28:54pm

re: #389 Decatur Deb

I’ve heard Einstein. I think Niven used it somewhere, too.

391
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:29:23pm

Thanks to the Covidiots in the Unicameral:

392
Belafon  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:30:14pm

re: #387 Targetpractice

Let’s just save time: If you weren’t fired in a very public fashion by Trump for actively working to undermine his attacks on basic human decency and morality, then you belong in the same line as the assholes who worked to carry out those attacks. You’re not a “hero” for having a negative opinion of the man.

Sally Yates
Preet

393
Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:32:29pm

re: #392 Belafon

Sally Yates
Preet

The list of such folks likely includes everybody fired in the first year of Trump’s presidency for the high crime…of working for Obama.

394
Decatur Deb  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:32:39pm

re: #392 Belafon

Sally Yates
Preet

Vindeman

395
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:33:52pm

re: #391 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The Libertarian Party candidate in the NE-1 race offers condolences:

Nothing however from Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-NE1)

396
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:39:03pm
397
mmmirele  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:39:20pm

re: #350 plansbandc

Yea, no. Celebrating a women who is going to trash women’s rights and queer rights? This seems to go against everything the modern Girl Scouts supposedly stand for. FFS

398
Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:39:47pm

re: #384 Colère Tueur de Lapin

WW IV will be fought with rocks and clubs.

Exactamundo. Taiwan has so many wafer fab facilities that taking it out would freeze the global economies not seen since the 1930s Depression.

While modern business theory rallies around single-sourcing, second-sourcing was seen as a firewall to when your primary source of material was not obtainable.

And as COVID-19 has shown, not having second sources can be lethal.

399
Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:40:44pm

End of a very good thread:

400
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:46:59pm

re: #399 Targetpractice

End of a very good thread:

I’m more interested in knowing who Hoarse Whisperer is than Anonymous.

401
plansbandc  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:48:10pm

Apparent the ratio got a little too hot for the Girl Scouts. They deleted the tweet.

402
The Pie Overlord!  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:48:20pm

J. Fucking C.

403
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:48:46pm

re: #367 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Trump is in a town in a county that he won by 51% last time. He really isn’t that good at this.

At this point trump knows he’s losing but he needs his KKK rally fixes because he knows that they’re going to go away… At least on the public dime.

404
nines09  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:49:11pm

So your secret admirer was Miles Taylor?
jfc
Yeah.
jfc

February 2021 I can see these jackals gathering to try and figure out how to utilize their new found popularity from the Democrats to fuck the Democrats to forward a “New and Improved Conservative Party with the goal of instituting in the Republican Party a new agenda.”
That looks a lot like the old agenda.
Democrats better be sharpening knives and reminding themselves there are no “good guys” on the right.
They just elected a sociopath that said all the quiet parts out loud.
And they worked on that for 50 plus years.
Democrats better learn a long game. Because the GOP did.

405
jaunte  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:49:48pm
406
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:51:41pm

re: #405 jaunte

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I want Texas to go Democratic alone to make all these right wing assholes miserable.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:53:18pm

I early voted this afternoon. Under 5 minutes from walking in to walking back out after signing in, getting my ballot, filling it out and scanning it.

If we can do that here in western NY, every jurisdiction CAN do it just as well. If they choose not to, that’s a deliberate choice and should be framed better that way.

408
(((Archangel1)))  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:53:30pm
409
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:54:32pm

re: #404 nines09

So your secret admirer was Miles Taylor?
jfc
Yeah.
jfc

February 2021 I can see these jackals gathering to try and figure out how to utilize their new found popularity from the Democrats to fuck the Democrats to forward a “New and Improved Conservative Party with the goal of instituting in the Republican Party a new agenda.”
That looks a lot like the old agenda.
Democrats better be sharpening knives and reminding themselves there are no “good guys” on the right.
They just elected a sociopath that said all the quiet parts out loud.
And they worked on that for 50 plus years.
Democrats better learn a long game. Because the GOP did.

Burn the lifeboats.

410
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 28, 2020 • 3:54:48pm

re: #408 (((Archangel1)))

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Him and Jack need to go to prison for a loooong time.

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Nojay UK  Oct 28, 2020 • 4:17:52pm

re: #231 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And then the People’s Army would’ve marched in, and noone could’ve stopped them. The UK did as best it could.

The mainland Chinese government wouldn’t have needed to use military force. They supply Hong Kong with its water and food and power and deal with its sewage (Kowloon Harbour is no longer the dumping ground for five million people’s effluent). All they’d need to do is seal the border and wait until the desperate inhabitants welcomed them in.

The 99-year lease agreement between the UK and China wasn’t actually about Hong Kong, it was for the area around HK proper called the New Territories which, in the early 1900s provided water and food for the growing port city. When that lease ran out the city was going to be left as a dependent enclave of the Chinese government come what may. For commercial reasons the semi-independent autonomous Hong Kong was useful as an international port and technology hub back in the 1980s but it’s been eclipsed by places like Shenzen and other cities.

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John Hughes  Oct 28, 2020 • 5:03:59pm

re: #136 lawhawk

Mother Night is one of Vonnegut’s best books.

“Anonymous” is no Howard W. Campbell Jr.


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