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Amory Blaine  Nov 14, 2020 • 9:28:31pm

Today, in my neighborhood

jsonline.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 9:31:22pm

re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, some of the responses to that tweet are fucking infuriating.

Yup.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 14, 2020 • 9:42:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 9:44:29pm

re: #3 Dread Pirate Ron

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 9:54:22pm

re: #3 Dread Pirate Ron

This is just wrong (caution for NSFW patriotic GIF)

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 14, 2020 • 9:55:13pm

A thread worth reading. And it contains another reason why I ignore the Lies Angeles Times.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:08:18pm

re: #6 🌹UOJB!

A thread worth reading. And it contains another reason why I ignore the Lies Angeles Times.

But it’s not just the Los Angeles Times: It’s all of them and they’ve been doing it for years. Still waiting on a single think piece about a Clinton voter in a red state. I’m also pissed at the Philadelphia Inquirer for the way a stenographer there responded to me.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:11:27pm

re: #7 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

But it’s not just the Los Angeles Times: It’s all of them and they’ve been doing it for years. Still waiting on a single think piece about a Clinton voter in a red state. I’m also pissed at the Philadelphia Inquirer for the way a stenographer there responded to me.

And odds are it’ll continue into the foreseeable future, as I’m convinced most of such works are really a way for corporate media journalists to defend their own flirtations with authoritarianism/fascism through the lens of “Trump supporters.” Because I can’t help but notice that the crowd keeps repeating the same “Stop calling Trump supporters racists/bigots/xenophobes/etc!”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:18:00pm

re: #6 🌹UOJB!

The opinion editor is still trying to defend it:

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:23:02pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Looks like the Cletus Safaris will be continuing for the foreseeable future.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:24:22pm

Whatever integrity the Lies Angeles Times had departed when Otis Chandler was shoved out the door.

Now it’s reverted to being the trumpet of “True Industrial Freedom” which was on its’ masthead for years!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:28:33pm

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

Looks like the Cletus Safaris will be continuing for the foreseeable future.

Real whiplash from Sept. 27:

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:32:22pm

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

Looks like the Cletus Safaris will be continuing for the foreseeable future.

White editors—lacking self reflection on why they view conservative whites in rural areas as having inherent authenticity such that they need to be understood and examined as characters, but somehow are not curious about what motivates any other voting bloc—are a renewable resource.

Other people can be understood in terms their demographic mash bill…but white people are individuals who cannot be understood by means as pedestrian as “…this is the thing they consistently vote for, therefore we can make an inference” because that inference would be rude and depersonalizing.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:35:03pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The opinion editor is still trying to defend it:

[Embedded content]

“We must work to understand them!”

“Well, how do we understand them?”

“By mindlessly printing whatever damned fool thing comes out of their mouths, with as little commentary as possible, and no effort to fact check whatsoever!”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:37:10pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

“We must work to understand them!”

“Well, how do we understand them?”

“By mindlessly printing whatever damned fool thing comes out of their mouths, with as little commentary as possible, and no effort to fact check whatsoever!”

And for the last three days they’ve been putting racist articles up to explain homelessness.

.@sewellchan
I see that the LA times is grappling with it’s history of racism, but isn’t able to recognize coded racism in the present. @stevelopez
regularly platforms unfounded anti-homeless stereotypes of an “invasion” of black outsiders, much like the one being denounced today

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:39:32pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:47:33pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:47:50pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

I live in a rural area, and what gets my neck up is that I constantly deal with people who lie about what they want, or conceal it so deeply in coded language that they themselves are no longer aware of the relationship between what they say and what they actually want. The culture of “conservatism” I live inside is intensely aware that much of what it really, really wants is unacceptable…not illiberal, not “unpopular with the center,” but deeply, deeply selfish and frequently authoritarian as well as containing lashings of a basically feudal mindset in which many people do not own their own bodies…and there are decades and decades of accumulated code words and elaborate semantic bypasses around saying the thing itself.

It’s both infuriating and depressing, because there are a lot of folks who operate at a Shirley Jackson’s “The Lottery” understanding of why they believe what they believe: they don’t know the mechanism, they don’t know the origin, they just know that it will be worse if the rituals aren’t done. The words they say don’t mean anything.

But in and among them are the people…mostly the rich and old blood rural elite…who kind of remember the point is maintaining an oligarchy, and if anything they’re even louder and more vehement that things cannot possibly change or ever be better or more just. Therefore none of the traditional institutions, or the traditions themselves, can be questioned in their efficacy or morality, and the real problem is people that ask those questions.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:48:29pm

It’s always the same formula/script:

1. Start article with fact that everybody with the common sense Zod gave to the common earthworm knows to be true.

2. Declare that wingnuts “dispute this” or some words to the effect, but phrase it as though this is some “rural knowledge” rather than a total break from reality.

3. Set the stage for the remainder of the article in one or more one-stoplight, population numbering in three digits, avg. IQ lower than room temp “authentic rural town” location(s).

4. Proceed to print whatever brain droppings you hear from a selection of “genuine salt-of-the-earth” folks you happen to encounter who sound as though they still think indoor plumbing is a new-fangled invention.

5. Any commentary between the quotes is to be slanted as treating anyone who questions the “wisdom” of these backwoods hicks as “out-of-touch” or “elitist” who an’t understand what these folks do.

6. Sign off by arguing that even if they are a bunch of brain dead rednecks, you’re never going to change their minds so might as well find a way to live with them instead.

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Citizen K  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:48:51pm

Man, I can’t believe the LA Times took the bold and untouched initiative to tap into the under-covered voice of the ignored Trump voter, they who have so little voice and we hear so little from!!

…seriously, like, how can they keep pretending that this is somehow unbroken ground after running these Cletus safaris almost literally weekly?

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:50:23pm

SpaceX AX-1 launch NET October 2021

First Crew Dragon flight contracted by Axiom Space. First fully private flight to the ISS, carrying Michael López-Alegría as Axiom professional astronaut,[112] Tom Cruise and Doug Liman for a movie project[113] and one additional private astronaut for a 10-day trip.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2020 • 10:56:41pm

re: #18 The Ghost of a Flea

I live in a rural area, and what gets my neck up is that I constantly deal with people who lie about what they want, or conceal it so deeply in coded language that they themselves are no longer aware of the relationship between what they say and what they actually want. The culture of “conservatism” I live inside is intensely aware that much of what it really, really wants is unacceptable…not illiberal, not “unpopular with the center,” but deeply, deeply selfish and frequently authoritarian as well as containing lashings of a basically feudal mindset in which many people do not own their own bodies…and there are decades and decades of accumulated code words and elaborate semantic bypasses around saying the thing itself.

It’s both infuriating and depressing, because there are a lot of folks who operate at a Shirley Jackson’s “The Lottery” understanding of why they believe what they believe: they don’t know the mechanism, they don’t know the origin, they just know that it will be worse if the rituals aren’t done. The words they say don’t mean anything.

But in and among them are the people…mostly the rich and old blood rural elite…who kind of remember the point is maintaining an oligarchy, and if anything they’re even louder and more vehement that things cannot possibly change or ever be better or more just. Therefore none of the traditional institutions, or the traditions themselves, can be questioned in their efficacy or morality, and the real problem is people that ask those questions.

Trust me, my mother comes from a small rural town in SE KY and I know that small town mentality all too well. It’s mutated some as the slow march of progress has come barreling in with the extension of the highway and all the businesses that have grown up around it. And I see all the sorts of things you mention in my relatives, which is probably part of the reason I haven’t been back to visit in-person in years. It’s not ignorance born of lack of education or being cut off from the rest of the world, it’s a willful ignorance that says “My whole world is encompassed in a few hundred square miles, why can’t the things that work here work everywhere else?”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:04:55pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

“My whole world is encompassed in a few hundred square miles, why can’t the things that work here work everywhere else?”

To some extent it works the other way as well.

Why aren’t people more informed about the world outside rural areas, when there’s so many media choices and an Internet full of information? (Despite no media choices and Internet which is unavailable or frighteningly expensive.)

The one relatively neutral newspaper in my state was the Omaha World-Herald back when Warren Buffett owned it. He wanted to play with a full-size model railroad though (BNSF), so he sold the paper to a wingnut.

Kind of pointless to wait for a deep-pocketed person to come into a rural area and set up something to counter the narrative of Sinclair, FOX radio, Christian hate radio, &c. They aren’t going to do it, so rural areas remain soaked in conservative hatred.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:06:25pm

Popular at Twitter right now;

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:09:19pm

ISS crack size has increased

“According to the crew’s report, the crack size is about 4.5 cm,” the corporation noted, stressing that nothing threatens the station’s crew.

As specified in Roskosmos, the ISS crew continues to study the crack in the Zvezda module, transmitting the obtained data to Earth, following the recommendations of the specialists of the Main Operational Control Group of the ISS Russian Segment.

It should be noted that in August the crack size on the ISS was no more than 4 centimeters.

Recall that the ISS air leak was stopped using temporary means. Now specialists are looking for an opportunity to seal the “gap” that has arisen on a permanent basis. It also became known that the ISS crew had removed the malfunctions of the toilet, food heater and oxygen production system that arose tonight.

Easy fix, bring up some JB Weld.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:11:53pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

This isn’t a gentle thing to say, but:

Okay, I’m arguing with myself and just going to straight up acknowledge it at the get go: I am not addressing other people, I am reflecting on the thing I just said.

I think one of the most horrible things I see regularly in the rural USA is the number of people who have just accepted that they have to suffer and be in pain because life cannot be better, and are terrified to accept help or believe in any kind of collective lifting-up of people because they view it as antithetical to being a good and whole person.

It’s not stupidity, it’s enculturated deliberately in them by powerful institutions and people, and has been for so long that it’s now self-propagating.

And…I say this as an anthropologist-adjacent thinker…it propagates because it allows them to survive. Which is almost Lovecraftian horrible but absolutely necessary to appreciate. Place and community are such powerful, positive things that create a sense of identity that leaving seems like a loss of self…but at the same time, there are people making existing in place harder and harder on purpose. We generally say “people can learn to survive anything” in a heroic way, a testament to endurance, but the flip side is that people can be forced to survive anything and accommodate terrible suffering, and are plastic enough to bend their minds around it. That’s how domestic abuse works, that’s how cults work that’s how dictatorship works: most people just want to be normal and feel okay, and are willing to do the internal work of walling off thoughts and feelings that suggest things are not okay.

There was a day when there was a rural, radical leftism that staged strikes and fought Pinkertons, and I don’t 100% understand where that went, but I think what we see in rural areas is part of the same malady we see in suburbs and dying factory cities except worse. White American culture recalibrated its expectations after WW2, leaned heavy into a hyperindividualist understanding of achievement and effort, and continued on under the assumption that nothing would rake back what had improved.

And then White American culture was convinced to demolish the infrastructure and aid systems that had lifted them up, so that black Americans wouldn’t get a fair share…and that led into “market based” neoliberal policy that let companies just eat towns and a tiny number of chains become monopolies. And at the same time, the rest of the world recovered from WW2, worldwide logistics changed, and labor markets became truly international…all of which took the legs out from under rural industry and markets.

As much as I can get pissed at individual bad actors, the vast majority of these people are subject to systems that have maimed them from birth. It’s like their grandparents broke their legs and then set them crooked, on purpose.

The reality is that we have to talk about them as obstacles to change, but at the same time…it is necessary to resist that individualistic conceit that they have not been acted upon, that there is some kind of absolute “choice” they made.

It’s fucking tragic. My town is tragic, the poor people in my town are tragic even when they frighten or anger me, because….they’ve been put where they are. And by virtue of being both a cultural outsider and member of the elite, I get to see the stay-behind cultural system that keeps them feeling trapped and uncertain and uninformed and thus looking for easy answers.

It sucks, because it would be so much easier if you couldn’t see the machinery that pins them in place.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:13:41pm

re: #25 Dread Pirate Ron

ISS crack size has increased

Easy fix, bring up some JB Weld.

[Embedded content]

Gee, imagine my surprise that the element of the station constructed in the last years of the USSR, kept in storage for almost a decade afterward, and then put into orbit 20 years ago is the first to fail.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:15:15pm

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Popular at Twitter right now;

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:16:48pm

re: #25 Dread Pirate Ron

Flex Seal.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:25:27pm

re: #29 GlutenFreeJesus

Flex Seal.

Gorilla Glue.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:26:06pm

re: #30 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Gorilla Glue.

Duct tape.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:26:30pm

re: #31 Dr Lizardo

Duct tape.

Bondo.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:27:05pm

Iota becomes the thirteenth hurricane of the season and is expected to rapidly become a major hurricane.

nhc.noaa.gov

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:28:18pm

re: #26 The Ghost of a Flea

There was a day when there was a rural, radical leftism that staged strikes and fought Pinkertons, and I don’t 100% understand where that went

100 years ago the state with the most radical Socialist Party was Oklahoma.

100 years ago the state with the most radical Socialist government was North Dakota under the Non-Partisan League.

But bring in 100 years of Right Wing Jesus and POOF!

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Amory Blaine  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:35:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:37:42pm

re: #34 🌹UOJB!

There was a day when there was a rural, radical leftism that staged strikes and fought Pinkertons, and I don’t 100% understand where that went

100 years ago the state with the most radical Socialist Party was Oklahoma.

100 years ago the state with the most radical Socialist government was North Dakota under the Non-Partisan League.

But bring in 100 years of Right Wing Jesus and POOF!

North Dakota has one remnant of its socialist past, its state-owned bank.
Bank of North Dakota (Wikipedia, the only state-owned bank in the nation)

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:39:46pm

re: #26 The Ghost of a Flea

Trust me, I know it all too well. I see it in my uncle who has been left crippled by a lifetime of working various short-term jobs because the closure of the Fruit of the Loom plant back in the 90s meant steady work was hard to come by. Or my other uncle who’s dealing with breathing issues from years working at the Kingsford plant. The uncle who’s working as a tree-trimmer despite grappling with MS because he has nowhere near enough savings to keep him going til retirement. Another uncle who is lucky to be alive after suffering a series of mini-coronaries and one “widowmaker” that required experimental surgery to survive, all because he was working himself to death.

About the only unions you can speak of in polite company without getting dirty looks are the “good” ones: Cops, firefighters, and coal-miners. You might be able to mention teachers, but odds are you’ll get dark muttering about how all teachers are “overpaid” and “impossible to fire.” But you mention any other unions, particularly those involved in factory work, and they’ll reflexively cross themselves and spit. It’s taken as a gospel truth that unions “killed” factories in America and that’s why you can’t find “good jobs” anymore. And Zod help you if you try to argue with them about how it wasn’t the unions at fault, but the assholes that ran the factories who left town just as soon as their little fiefdoms dried up. The plantations may have long since gone away, but the mentality lives strong to this day in the rural communities of America.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:51:28pm

So it’s pretty obvious to me that Trump’s usefulness to the Russians hasn’t yet come to an end. It doesn’t seem they interfered in the election, but they sure have turned up the disinformation to 11 and are instead going with the sowing discord angle, trying to egg on these cultist yahoos into doing something akin to OKC, or worse. If any of them are successful, our more-than-accommodating media will go on incessantly about how Joe Biden failed to protect us.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 14, 2020 • 11:52:48pm

re: #38 GlutenFreeJesus

So it’s pretty obvious to me that Trump’s usefulness to the Russians hasn’t yet come to an end. It doesn’t seem they interfered in the election, but they sure have turned up the disinformation to 11 and are instead going with the sowing discord angle, trying to egg on these cultist yahoos into doing something akin to OKC, or worse. If any of them are successful, our more-than-accommodating media will go on incessantly about how Joe Biden failed to protect us.

Nothing would give Republicans more joy than another 9/11.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 12:00:47am

COVID-19 surge strains Wyoming contact tracers’ abilities (News Channel Nebraska Panhandle)

JACKSON, Wyo. (AP) — Hope flickered out at 9 p.m. on a recent Friday.

That’s when contact tracers had to stop making calls due to the late hour. The Teton County team still had 20 people, all positive for COVID-19, who it needed to reach to issue isolation orders and conduct case investigations.

“We were very hopeful up until about 9 on Friday,” Teton County Director of Health Jodie Pond said the following Monday.

The reality of the overwhelming number of new cases sunk in Saturday, when instead of doing full investigations, staff started making truncated phone calls to, at a minimum, find out if COVID-positive people have contact with or work with vulnerable individuals in settings like health care or a nursing home.

“We are triaging,” Pond said.

Active infections in the area have spiked to record highs, the Jackson Hole News & Guide reported.

(more)

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 15, 2020 • 12:19:19am

Yeah…never going to warm up to this whole “let’s normalize the war criminal torture people because the full frontal fascists are aesthetically even more vulgar,” and every fucking time one of them raises their heads to be a public commenter it makes my head hurts.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 12:21:53am

South Dakota reported 1,482 confirmed new COVID-19 cases on Friday, the third-largest single day total behind Thursday and October 30th.

There were also 1,750 recoveries and one death, dropping the number of active cases by 95 to 18,627. There have been 58,920 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in South Dakota along with 556 deaths.

The state has reported the nation’s second-worst number of new cases per capita over the last two weeks, according to Johns Hopkins researchers. Roughly one out of every 50 people has tested positive in the last two weeks.

The number of hospitalizations inched up Friday to 556 people, another new record. Health officials say COVID-19 patients occupy roughly 20% of the state’s hospital beds and 33% of the state’s ICU beds. About 33% of both are still available. (more)

SD Has 3rd-Highest Single-Day Of New COVID-19 Cases (KBPY-FM, Chadron, Nebr.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 12:26:50am

re: #7 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

But it’s not just the Los Angeles Times: It’s all of them and they’ve been doing it for years. Still waiting on a single think piece about a Clinton voter in a red state. I’m also pissed at the Philadelphia Inquirer for the way a stenographer there responded to me.

They noticed the popularity of Hillbilly Elegy and want to follow it up with Redneck Soliloquy and Crackerdom Compendium.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 12:31:09am

re: #19 Targetpractice

It’s always the same formula/script:

not enough updings for summing up what “modern, thoughful conservative journalism” looks like.

Another approach is a discussion of “political correctness”, often citing studies, in which the term “political correctness” is not defined or simply defined as “whatever strikes the interviewee as PC”.

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ericblair  Nov 15, 2020 • 12:31:42am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They noticed the popularity of Hillbilly Elegy and want to follow it up with Redneck Soliloquy and Crackerdom Compendium.

I think we can safely assume that there will be no LaShauna Safaris, visiting the Baptist churches and Eastpoint GA beauty salons to find out what makes middle-aged Black women tick. There won’t be any loving nostalgia for their struggles and hopes for the future, or prescriptions on how Republicans could change their ways to appeal to them to win back Georgia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 12:33:29am

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Bondo.

Brawndo and chewing gum

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 15, 2020 • 12:40:26am

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Brawndo and chewing gum

“Brawndo - it’s got what plants space stations crave!”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 12:42:05am

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Brawndo and chewing gum

Bailing wire.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 12:42:18am

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Brawndo and chewing gum

Brawndo, the thirst quencher?
It has what plants crave.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 12:48:35am

Not entirely rural people on those Cletus Safaris … Omaha isn’t rural.

Anti-mask group holds protest in Omaha as Douglas County sees record number of COVID cases (Omaha World-Herald)

About thirty-five people showed up.

As the sun set on another record-breaking day for COVID-19 cases in Douglas County, a group of about 35 people gathered in a parking lot, maskless and determined to protest what many of them consider an “infringement of freedoms.”

Allie French of Omaha stood with the group in the Millard West High School parking lot just before 5 p.m. She held her baby daughter as her 3-year-old son played nearby.

French said the protest had originally been planned as a “small (maskless) group shopping trip” at the Hy-Vee near 180th and Q Streets. Shortly after the plan was made, two billboards that drew attention to Omaha’s anti-mask groups were erected in the Millard area.

One of the billboards, which was erected Monday, featured a crash-test dummy wearing a mask inscribed “comply.” Next to it, in large type, was: “It’s not about a virus! It’s about control!”

The billboard company took them down after public criticism.

(more)

Hy-Vee threatened to call the cops if they came, so they held it at at the high school instead.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 1:00:22am

re: #49 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Brawndo, the thirst quencher?
It has what plants crave.

Twine.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 1:05:49am

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Twine.

Red, red twine…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 1:06:20am

I’m going to hit the rack, but I have an idea for the newspapers and television networks who are running stale Cletus Safaris throughout Rural American (tm).

Instead, they can run Cletus Safaris in cities such as Boston or Chicago. I’m sure there are plenty of unheard cletii in those places as well, who can give the media of the oppressed Trump supporter in a largely liberal area.

That, and they get different backdrops other than tractors, corn, cattle, or wheat. They could have Lake Michigan, the Boston Museum of Fine Arts, &c.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 1:08:54am

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Not entirely rural people on those Cletus Safaris … Omaha isn’t rural.

Anti-mask group holds protest in Omaha as Douglas County sees record number of COVID cases (Omaha World-Herald)

About thirty-five people showed up.

(more)

Hy-Vee threatened to call the cops if they came, so they held it at at the high school instead.

I calculated that out earlier today as if it was with California’s population and I think it was around 120,000 cases.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 1:10:49am

re: #54 Dread Pirate Ron

oops, that was supposed to be comment 42 reply.

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ericblair  Nov 15, 2020 • 1:12:12am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 1:13:42am

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

They could really do a patriotic Cletus Safari in Boston. Interview someone in a MAGA hat in front of the Old North Church, waving a Confederate Flag as was done in Massachusetts during the Civil War, &c.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 1:15:42am

re: #56 ericblair

Rudy Giuliani, 🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆 collector. LOL

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 1:21:38am

I actually liked the first part of Hillbilly Elegy because it reminded me of growing up in the Industrial Midwest in the 60’s: the Hillbillies on our block were white people, but for that, they were an ethnicity of their own and very different in their ways and mores from the other WASP or European-immigrant whites neighbors.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 1:25:04am
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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 2:07:41am

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not enough updings for summing up what “modern, thoughful conservative journalism” looks like.

Another approach is a discussion of “political correctness”, often citing studies, in which the term “political correctness” is not defined or simply defined as “whatever strikes the interviewee as PC”.

In rural settings, “political correctness” means “Watching what you say when there’s one or more minorities in a group.” And that’s been driving white folk crazy ever since the 70s, when all that “equality” business meant the people they’d been raised to think of as “The Help” were suddenly competing with them for the “good jobs.” All their lives they’d been told that everybody had a “place” in society and theirs was at the big table. Now “those people” who would work for whatever they could get couldn’t be turned away from the head table, would put in longer hours and work harder shifts to get that piece of the pie that they’d been eyeing for ages.

It was about the same time that suddenly the conservatives had a real problem with “illegals,” as it was no longer politically acceptable to accuse black folks of being closet Communists looking to wreck polite society by pushing “equality.” So when they weren’t accusing unions of having nickeled and dimed businesses into sending all the “good jobs” away, they tried to use “illegals” as the source of all America’s economic ills.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 2:16:07am

re: #61 Targetpractice

All their lives they’d been told that everybody had a “place” in society and theirs was at the big table. Now “those people” who would work for whatever they could get couldn’t be turned away from the head table, would put in longer hours and work harder shifts to get that piece of the pie that they’d been eyeing for ages.

Obama could have been held up as proof that the American Dream works, and that anyone, regardless of race or origin who works hard enough can make it all the way to the top.

But that might have meant acknowledging his accomplishments, even begrudgingly. It was easier for them to pain Obama as a Kenyan-born usurper Manchurian Candidate crypto-Islamist Affirmative-Action poster child.

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 2:23:53am

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Obama could have been held up as proof that the American Dream works, and that anyone, regardless of race or origin who works hard enough can make it all the way to the top.

But that might have meant acknowledging his accomplishments, even begrudgingly. It was easier for them to pain Obama as a Kenyan-born usurper Manchurian Candidate crypto-Islamist Affirmative-Action poster child.

In a party that thinks having a black Senator means they’ve met their diversity quota? Not a chance.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2020 • 2:41:01am

you really trying to justify

one Thanksgiving
vs
permanent death

wow

you go ahead with your Thanksgiving then wait till you see what that will do to your christmas

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2020 • 2:44:39am

re: #28 🌹UOJB!

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effective????
Australia disagrees

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2020 • 2:52:46am

In January 2013, Kucinich joined Fox News Channel as a regular contributor.[64][65] He appeared on The O’Reilly Factor and other Fox News shows.[66] Kucinich quit his Fox News role in January 2018 as he announced plans to run for governor.[67] After his failed run for governor, Kucinich has since reappeared on the network in 2019 discussing Democratic primary debates[68] and has appeared on Larry King’s PoliticKING program, speaking in opposition to the Democrats’ push for the impeachment of President Trump.[69]

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2020 • 2:54:01am

re: #66 Nyet

Barack Obama
In March 2011, Kucinich said that President Obama’s decision to approve air strikes against Gaddafi’s forces in the Libyan Civil War was an “impeachable offense.”[88][89]

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 15, 2020 • 2:54:43am

re: #65 dangerman

[Laughs in Taiwanese]

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2020 • 2:54:57am

re: #67 Nyet

Kucinich has praised and defended President Donald Trump in Fox News appearances.[62] Kucinich praised Trump’s inaugural speech, saying it was “GREAT” and a “message of unity”; others had characterized the speech as dark[94][95] and “white nationalist”.[95][89]

According to The Washington Post, Kucinich “was a rare left-wing voice attacking ‘the deep state’ for undermining the president.”[62] On Sean Hannity’s show, Kucinich said that he believed that there was a deep state intelligence community working against President Trump and that it was “very dangerous to America”, “a threat to our republic” and “a clear and present danger to our way of life.”[89] In February 2017, Kucinich defended Michael Flynn, saying that he was treated unfairly by the intelligence community; in December 2017, Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.[95][96] Kucinich defended Trump’s claims that he was being wiretapped; Kucinich claimed that he himself had been wiretapped.[97]

Kucinich has defended Trump’s efforts to improve relations with Russia.[95]

Kucinich, who attempted to impeach Bush and Cheney, and said that Barack Obama had committed impeachable offenses, criticized some House Democrats for attempting to start impeachment proceedings against President Trump.[98] He said, “The Democratic Party had best be identified with something more than impeachment.”[98] He said that efforts to assess Trump’s mental and physical fitness to be president were “destroying the party as an effective opposition.”[89]

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 2:55:06am

re: #64 dangerman

you really trying to justify

one Thanksgiving
vs
permanent death

wow

you go ahead with your Thanksgiving then wait till you see what that will do to your christmas

There is no holiday I know of worth gambling with not only my life, but the lives of my family. Anybody who says that they have or need to go home for the holidays is really saying that their own selfish desires take precedent over the safety of others.

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sagehen  Nov 15, 2020 • 3:07:58am

re: #69 Nyet

Kucinich also claims to have had personal contact with extra-terrestrials. So, y’know, his credibility has long been questionable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 3:21:44am

Kucinich reminds us that “left” and “right” are arbitrary designations based on the seating order of the French Parliament in the 19th century.

a number of views are assigned to “left” and “right” but their clearly defining point back then was between those who supported the current government and those who didn’t.

And Kucinich hade a history of attacking which ever government is in power…and a lot of these people were drawn to support Trump, who successfully positioned himself as an “outsider” (and still manages to do so to some extent)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 3:22:25am

re: #70 Targetpractice

There is no holiday I know of worth gambling with not only my life, but the lives of my family. Anybody who says that they have or need to go home for the holidays is really saying that their own selfish desires take precedent over the safety of others.

Thanksgiving travel will all but guarantee that the pandemic is reaching new heights by Christmas…God save all, everyone!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 15, 2020 • 3:32:15am

Some thoughts on the year so far…..

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2020 • 3:33:10am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 3:58:11am

Sock My Dock?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:06:42am

Stunning thread on the power of propaganda; Magats insisting that covid is a hoax as they are dying of it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:08:19am

re: #77 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Stunning thread on the power of propaganda; Magats insisting that covid is a hoax as they are dying of it.

These people can kill (tens/hundreds of ) thousands more of us if we cannot contain the spread of their madness.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:14:24am

re: #61 Targetpractice

In rural settings, “political correctness” means “Watching what you say when there’s one or more minorities in a group.” And that’s been driving white folk crazy ever since the 70s, when all that “equality” business meant the people they’d been raised to think of as “The Help” were suddenly competing with them for the “good jobs.” All their lives they’d been told that everybody had a “place” in society and theirs was at the big table. Now “those people” who would work for whatever they could get couldn’t be turned away from the head table, would put in longer hours and work harder shifts to get that piece of the pie that they’d been eyeing for ages.

It was about the same time that suddenly the conservatives had a real problem with “illegals,” as it was no longer politically acceptable to accuse black folks of being closet Communists looking to wreck polite society by pushing “equality.” So when they weren’t accusing unions of having nickeled and dimed businesses into sending all the “good jobs” away, they tried to use “illegals” as the source of all America’s economic ills.

While at the same time the rural agricultural interests needed these same “illegals” to exploit for their profits by being cheap harvesters of produce.

I did find it interesting that when about 40 miles outside of Indianapolis to attend a conference at a remote conference center* location that the best restaurant nearby was an authentic Mexican place located at a crossroad that was essentially the restaurant, a gas station/convenience store, and two churches.

* - Presume the place was out there due to cheap real estate primarily since I’m not sure if the ownership was related to something else in the area.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:16:55am

re: #79 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

While at the same time the rural agricultural interests needed these same “illegals” to exploit for their profits by being cheap harvesters of produce.

Which is why it is so hard to legislate a fair, comprehensive and humane immigration policy: too many vested interests in keeping these people insecure and hesitant to come to authorities when they are being defrauded or exploited.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:20:43am

re: #22 Targetpractice

Trust me, my mother comes from a small rural town in SE KY and I know that small town mentality all too well. It’s mutated some as the slow march of progress has come barreling in with the extension of the highway and all the businesses that have grown up around it. And I see all the sorts of things you mention in my relatives, which is probably part of the reason I haven’t been back to visit in-person in years. It’s not ignorance born of lack of education or being cut off from the rest of the world, it’s a willful ignorance that says “My whole world is encompassed in a few hundred square miles, why can’t the things that work here work everywhere else?”

And what “works” there? These are communities in deep poverty, dependent on disability checks and food stamps, with crumbling schools, high levels of drug addiction, and nostalgia for a coal industry which is gone forever.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:22:41am

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

These people can kill (tens/hundreds of ) thousands more of us if we cannot contain the spread of their madness.

And we can’t. They are going to gather for Thanksgiving to share the virus far and wide.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:23:47am

re: #6 🌹UOJB!

A thread worth reading. And it contains another reason why I ignore the Lies Angeles Times.

Ashton Pittman
@ashtonpittman
*
15h
As a white man from rural Mississippi, it’s just bizarre watching all these newspapers around the country treat white right-wingers like exotic zoo animals who require study.

As a white man living for decades in rural Alabama, it’s absolutely essential that we treat white right-wingers like exotic zoo animals who require study. If we are going to solve a problem, we have to know what we’re talking about. (And until then, we should maintain wide moats.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:23:52am

re: #81 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And what “works” there? These are communities in deep poverty, dependent on disability checks and food stamps, with crumbling schools, high levels of drug addiction, and nostalgia for a coal industry which is gone forever.

It is also their near-religious belief that if we simply eliminate pesky government environmental, health and safety regulations, coal will suddenly become more competitive and those lost jobs will miraculously return…offering high pay and benefits but without the need of labor unions to secure them.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:26:04am

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is also their near-religious belief that if we simply eliminate pesky government environmental, health and safety regulations, coal will suddenly become more competitive and those lost jobs will miraculously return…offering high pay and benefits but without the need of labor unions to secure them.

A total fantasy they cling to.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:26:48am

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is also their near-religious belief that if we simply eliminate pesky government environmental, health and safety regulations, coal will suddenly become more competitive and those lost jobs will miraculously return…offering high pay and benefits but without the need of labor unions to secure them.

But also remember that those lovely black lung checks can never get stopped.

(My grandfather got those. Though he worked for the coal company he did not actually work in the mines themselves but drove trucks. I think he thought it was sort of amusing to get that check.)

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:27:45am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Kucinich reminds us that “left” and “right” are arbitrary designations based on the seating order of the French Parliament in the 19th century.

a number of views are assigned to “left” and “right” but their clearly defining point back then was between those who supported the current government and those who didn’t.

And Kucinich hade a history of attacking which ever government is in power…and a lot of these people were drawn to support Trump, who successfully positioned himself as an “outsider” (and still manages to do so to some extent)

you can ask people why R’s are red and dems are blue
and point out before 1966 it used to be the opposite

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:29:29am

re: #85 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A total fantasy they cling to.

It was a mythical golden age in which a man who could manage to get through High School could get on at the mines, work hard, afford a house, a nice car or two, maybe even and a boat or a vacation cabin, and still afford to put his kids through state college without even having to send his wife to work.

Where I came from, it was much the same but involved working in the steel mills or related industries. Worked for my dad, he put his kids through college and got us all into the middle class.

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:29:51am

re: #85 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A total fantasy they cling to.

Very much so. Especially when you consider that what’s been killing the industry for decades isn’t regulations, it’s three-headed hydra of automation, modernization, and foreign competition. The days of guys in tin hats digging up coal with pickaxes was outdated when Reagan was in office, it’s only become more so in the decades since.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:30:01am

re: #87 dangerman

you can ask people why R’s are red and dems are blue
and point out before 1966 it used to be the opposite

another arbitrary designation

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:31:53am

re: #83 Decatur Deb

As a white man living for decades in rural Alabama, it’s absolutely essential that we treat white right-wingers like exotic zoo animals who require study. If we are going to solve a problem, we have to know what we’re talking about. (And until then, we should maintain wide moats.)

our moat is gone
the water has finally receded

finally they were able to open the gates and drain down the canals so a lot of the standing water had a place to go

and some due to normal ground percolation. it’s still a bit squishy in spots

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:31:53am

re: #83 Decatur Deb

As a white man living for decades in rural Alabama, it’s absolutely essential that we treat white right-wingers like exotic zoo animals who require study. If we are going to solve a problem, we have to know what we’re talking about. (And until then, we should maintain wide moats.)

If Bama is like Kentucky, they respond like Pavlov’s dog when the GOP triggers them with messages about guns, crime, immigrants, socialism and their favorite “villains”, Pelosi and AOC.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:34:46am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

another arbitrary designation

wait!
it’s not in the constitution?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:37:18am

re: #85 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A total fantasy they cling to.

Heck. Reading Homer Hickam’s memoirs* gives you a real good indication how much of that sort of thing was gone already 50 years ago. Same books give you a feel on how there is a sense of community in the coal (or industry of your choice) towns while at the same time there are a lot of underlying social and economic tensions and the cracks are also showing.

* - _Rocket Boys_, _The Coalwood Way_ and _Sky of Stone_

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:44:46am

It is depressing just how completely rural whites are oblivious to reality. In Kentucky we have a Democratic Governor whose covid response is popular, and yet Democrats got wiped out November 3, and D.C.’s most loathsome swamp creature cruised to an easy 20 point victory.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:51:34am

re: #95 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It is depressing just how completely rural whites are oblivious to reality. In Kentucky we have a Democratic Governor whose covid response is popular, and yet Democrats got wiped out November 3, and D.C.’s most loathsome swamp creature cruised to an easy 20 point victory.

Conviction perhaps that a packed judiciary and a logjam in the legislative side is in their self-interest since it’s what they are told is keeping the liberals and federal government off their backs.

And as many have pointed out Covid-19 appears to be something that happens to other people, assuming they believe it’s a threat at all. Plus I expect that if it hits close there might well not be a realization about reality but instead further self-deception to justify the previous behaviors.

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jeffreyw  Nov 15, 2020 • 4:55:32am

Good morning!

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steve_davis  Nov 15, 2020 • 5:23:14am

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was a mythical golden age in which a man who could manage to get through High School could get on at the mines, work hard, afford a house, a nice car or two, maybe even and a boat or a vacation cabin, and still afford to put his kids through state college without even having to send his wife to work.

Where I came from, it was much the same but involved working in the steel mills or related industries. Worked for my dad, he put his kids through college and got us all into the middle class.

textile mills here. even non-unionized, my brother was making something like 14 bucks an hour in the early 80’s to run a loom at Milliken. That was hellaciously good money, considering minimum wage was something like a buck seventy-five. They paid really well because they wanted to ensure the unions didn’t get a foothold in the state. Now, the father of a friend, who had worked up to management-level there, died in his 40’s from brown lung because he’d come up when there were zero safety regulations, but that was a small price to pay for 14 bucks an hour.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 5:29:08am

re: #98 steve_davis

textile mills here. even non-unionized, my brother was making something like 14 bucks an hour in the early 80’s to run a loom at Milliken. That was hellaciously good money, considering minimum wage was something like a buck seventy-five. They paid really well because they wanted to ensure the unions didn’t get a foothold in the state. Now, the father of a friend, who had worked up to management-level there, died in his 40’s from brown lung because he’d come up when there were zero safety regulations, but that was a small price to pay for 14 bucks an hour.

It’s not like they couldn’t have afforded to pay 14 dollars and still do something about health and safety, but why bother if there is nobody forcing you to?

This is the classic example of privatizing profits and socializing costs. Human costs.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 15, 2020 • 5:31:56am

Good morning Lizards, he acknowledged it:

The good news is that the Biden team may actually be allowed into the government buildings now. The bad news is that they’ll need to do it in space suits.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 15, 2020 • 5:37:26am

re: #100 b.d. (We Won!)

Good morning Lizards, he acknowledged it:

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The good news is that the Biden team may actually be allowed into the government buildings now. The bad news is that they’ll need to do it in space suits.

No, they will still keep them out. Remember, the objective is to make a Biden presidency so unpalatable that Americans will re-elect Donald Trump in 2024. To that end, his toadies have been instructed to refuse to concede (even if he does) until the very last possible moment.

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ericblair  Nov 15, 2020 • 5:48:24am

re: #101 thedopefishlives

No, they will still keep them out. Remember, the objective is to make a Biden presidency so unpalatable that Americans will re-elect Donald Trump in 2024. To that end, his toadies have been instructed to refuse to concede (even if he does) until the very last possible moment.

I think they’re all operating on reflex now. Trump’s reflex is to deny and bullshit and bully and sue, which he’s doing. The gooper congresscritters’ reflex is to parrot what Trump says to keep the base from destroying them, which they’re doing. They aren’t trying to win the decade, they’re trying to win the morning.

Anecdotally, this refusing to concede is freaking out the “normie” GOP voters. It was really unpopular when the yam refused to guarantee a peaceful transfer of power, and it’s worse now. As far as Georgia is concerned, the Loeffler and Purdue can either admit that Biden won and spin themselves as a check on Biden (pissing off the Trump cult), or suture themselves to Trump’s ass and telling everyone the election was fixed (scaring off the normies and discouraging GOP voters from casting supposedly useless votes). Obviously, they’ve decided to go down with the ship.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 15, 2020 • 5:56:13am

re: #102 ericblair

I am sincerely hoping that publicly endorsing Trump’s refusal to concede will sink Loeffler and Perdue. I’m trying not to get my expectations up, but it would be really, really nice if they got torpedoed because people are sick of this loser refusing to admit he lost.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2020 • 5:57:19am

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:02:02am

re: #103 thedopefishlives

I am sincerely hoping that publicly endorsing Trump’s refusal to concede will sink Loeffler and Perdue. I’m trying not to get my expectations up, but it would be really, really nice if they got torpedoed because people are sick of this loser refusing to admit he lost.

Trump will probably hold one of his final rallies in Georgia using the pretense of it being for those two but he won’t give them the microphone and barley mention their names,

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:02:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:12:02am

This guy has been getting a lot of traction. I have seen his coverage of China and found it interesting but dodgy at times.

This I find totally dodgy and definitely aimed and pulling clicks.

Voter Fraud? The Election Isn’t Over Yet…

all the standard charges of “systematic fraud”

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:16:48am

re: #87 dangerman

you can ask people why R’s are red and dems are blue
and point out before 1966 it used to be the opposite

Oh I can remember when Readers Digest had Democrats as purple and Republicans as orange.

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mmmirele  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:22:25am

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

Looks like the Cletus Safaris will be continuing for the foreseeable future.

In my precinct, in a traditionally hard GOP area, the turnout was 51 percent Trump, 48 percent Biden. That’s *historic*. But these asshats won’t even do a Cletus Safari among people who tick the boxes of being overwhelmingly white (with a significant minority Hispanic) and economically distressed (e.g. two thirds of the elementary and junior high kids are on free or reduced lunches). So no, not subscribing (and yes, the LAT is an option because the Arizona Republic is just awful.)

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:22:37am

re: #19 Targetpractice

It’s always the same formula/script:

1. Start article with fact that everybody with the common sense Zod gave to the common earthworm knows to be true.

2. Declare that wingnuts “dispute this” or some words to the effect, but phrase it as though this is some “rural knowledge” rather than a total break from reality.

3. Set the stage for the remainder of the article in one or more one-stoplight, population numbering in three digits, avg. IQ lower than room temp “authentic rural town” location(s).

4. Proceed to print whatever brain droppings you hear from a selection of “genuine salt-of-the-earth” folks you happen to encounter who sound as though they still think indoor plumbing is a new-fangled invention.

5. Any commentary between the quotes is to be slanted as treating anyone who questions the “wisdom” of these backwoods hicks as “out-of-touch” or “elitist” who an’t understand what these folks do.

6. Sign off by arguing that even if they are a bunch of brain dead rednecks, you’re never going to change their minds so might as well find a way to live with them instead.

In the words of Waco Jim:

These are simple farmers. The common clay of the new West. You know…
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MORONS!!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:23:21am

Despite the cries of SOCIALISM!! whenever the Democratic party tries to do something, truth is most wingnuts like their socialism. They just don’t want other (kinds) of people to be the beneficiaries of government redistribution.

In Japan life is different. Most people there accept that citizenry both should benefit as well as carry responsibility. Now Japan is a place where working is a religion, for sure. But the government also accepts that the entire nation is responsible for the well being of the entire nation.

The government, in light of the pandemic wrecking havoc on the service industry, has been trying to get people to spend money and thus sweeten the pot. The “Go To” campaigns are aimed to do that.

Currently there is the Go To Eat campaign, to get people to go to restaurants (said restaurants have to have in place pandemic measures.)

To that end, the Japanese government will subsidize your dinner-out up to 1000 Yen (about $9) at participating restaurants.

See: livejapan.com which gives a partial explanation. There are many many restaurants participating, for example in Osaka (which is eating-out king of Japan), vlogger Rion Ishida goes out for free sushi:

Eating Free Conveyor Belt Sushi in Kura Sushi. Anyone who Lives in Japan can Eat Sushi for Free #266

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Now here in the US, getting people to out to restaurants is clearly a bad idea, because we (courtesy of Trump and his idiot followers) have failed us all, but the concept of the government subsiding meals for anyone is not a bad idea in general.

We already to that in part. All those farm subsidies that support farmers (and some large corporations) is already redistribution of wealth under the explanation of making sure US food production is sufficient (when in fact we produce far more than we could ever consume.)

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:27:25am

Ok, I’ve been wrong and I’m gonna do somehting trump never does…
Correct the record, cause an actual apology isn’t called for

Trump is not the first president to lose the popular vote twice

Per today’s electoral-vote.com

John Quincy Adams lost the popular and electoral vote in 1824, but the four-way election kept any candidate from claiming an EV majority, and the House of Representatives gave him the win. Then, he lost the popular and electoral vote again in 1828, when Andrew Jackson booted him out of office.

The only other president to pull it off, besides Trump and JQA, is Benjamin Harrison. He lost the popular vote to Grover Cleveland in 1888, but won the electoral vote. Then he lost both the popular and electoral vote to Cleveland in 1892

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:28:19am
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dangerman  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:30:29am

re: #87 dangerman

you can ask people why R’s are red and dems are blue
and point out before 1966 it used to be the opposite

Oops
that was 1996

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:32:08am

He’s still carrying on.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:32:22am

Woke up at 1 AM last night, police sirens and find out the Q Cucks Klan was fighting gang members 2 blocks from me. 50 people fighting in the street.

I can guess what side the LAPD took…

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mmmirele  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:35:07am

re: #71 sagehen

Kucinich also claims to have had personal contact with extra-terrestrials. So, y’know, his credibility has long been questionable.

Kucinich is also anti-abortion. In the early ’00s I was willing to accept that as part of a “seamless garment” view of life, but in the ’20s, it’s a big “ah nope nope nope nopity NOPE”. It’s obvious to all that the anti-abortion position is all about punishing women, not about “life.”

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:35:31am

How’s he ahead?

More votes, I think is how it works

Even if everything you say is true
Lousy campaign still got more votes
(Kinda like trump not wanting to win 2016)

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:37:44am

re: #118 dangerman

How’s he ahead?

More votes, I think is how it works

Even if everything you say is true
Lousy campaign still got more votes
(Kinda like trump not wanting to win 2016)

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Because faux news ignored his campaign doesn’t mean he didn’t campaign.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:39:49am

re: #115 The Pie Overlord!

He’s still carrying on.

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Somebody must have pointed out that his “He won” line was kinda giving away the game.

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mmmirele  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:39:51am

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is also their near-religious belief that if we simply eliminate pesky government environmental, health and safety regulations, coal will suddenly become more competitive and those lost jobs will miraculously return…offering high pay and benefits but without the need of labor unions to secure them.

Jeez louise, back when I was young (ok, 1960s-1970s) wildcat strikes in coal country were definitely a thing and something I picked up on reading my local newspaper daily. (Yes, I was that weird eight year old who waited for the afternoon paper.) Holy shit, the reason the miners even had what they had was regular striking to continue to secure those owner concessions, safety improvements and benefits. If I, California born, lived all my life in the western US know this, then how come people in coal country don’t remember this???

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:42:30am
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Nyet  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:45:37am

re: #113 Patricia Kayden

When even the hateful clown Bolton looks almost like a statesman compared to the rest of the GOP…

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:48:24am

re: #117 mmmirele

Kucinich is also anti-abortion.

Prior to 2002, Kucinich’s voting record was strongly anti-abortion, but he currently maintains a pro-abortion rights stance on abortion. In 1996, he was quoted as saying that “life begins at conception”, and he has also voted in favor of banning partial birth abortion and preventing the transport of minors to undergo abortion procedures. However, since then he has been a strong supporter of abortion rights. He said in a 2003 interview that he had a “journey” regarding the abortion issue which “caused me to break from a voting record that had not been pro-choice”.[77]

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:49:41am

re: #121 mmmirele

Jeez louise, back when I was young (ok, 1960s-1970s) wildcat strikes in coal country were definitely a thing and something I picked up on reading my local newspaper daily. (Yes, I was that weird eight year old who waited for the afternoon paper.) Holy shit, the reason the miners even had what they had was regular striking to continue to secure those owner concessions, safety improvements and benefits. If I, California born, lived all my life in the western US know this, then how come people in coal country don’t remember this???

Answer—back in the old days when I was a kid folks went to church on Sundays and then to their Union Hall on Wednesdays. When the Unions died in the 80s the right wing churches moved in to fill the void with lots of Republican propaganda with a heaping helping of the Pro$perity Go$pel. Oh and add in a lot of love for the Fetu$ as well. This is the brainwashing that’s been going on for the last 45 years and that’s why these folks really believe that they’ll get pie in the sky when they die as long as they kiss Corporate ass and vote Republican to Save the Fetus!

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garzooma  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:50:21am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This guy has been getting a lot of traction. I have seen his coverage of China and found it interesting but dodgy at times.

This I find totally dodgy and definitely aimed and pulling clicks.

Voter Fraud? The Election Isn’t Over Yet…

all the standard charges of “systematic fraud”

Five words: “Tell it to the judge”

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:50:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 6:58:10am

re: #126 garzooma

Five words: “Tell it to the judge”

He is correct in that the election is not officially over until the EC convenes and Congress verifies the results, but beyond that, the chances of Trump pulling off a successful challenge are rather slim at this point.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:02:24am

re: #124 Nyet

Prior to 2002, Kucinich’s voting record was strongly anti-abortion, but he currently maintains a pro-abortion rights stance on abortion. In 1996, he was quoted as saying that “life begins at conception”, and he has also voted in favor of banning partial birth abortion and preventing the transport of minors to undergo abortion procedures. However, since then he has been a strong supporter of abortion rights. He said in a 2003 interview that he had a “journey” regarding the abortion issue which “caused me to break from a voting record that had not been pro-choice”.[77]

Yeah he started being politically pro choice right around when I *sighs embarrassingly* supported him in 2003. I was young and naive. It’s why I don’t give anyone here a hard time if they supported W or Iraq. I was naive too just on another side of things.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:02:50am

lol, f*ck this guy. I’m going to enjoy seeing the whole cabal go to prison.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:05:07am
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Nyet  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:06:27am

re: #129 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah he started being politically pro choice right around when I *sighs embarrassingly* supported him in 2003. I was young and naive. It’s why I don’t give anyone here a hard time if they supported W or Iraq. I was naive too just on another side of things.

Supporting a moonbat is radically different from supporting a war criminal.

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jaunte  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:09:47am

re: #131 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:11:35am

re: #132 Nyet

Supporting a moonbat is radically different from supporting a war criminal.

That’s true too. Just embarrassed by it honestly. More so that I thought he would be a good President when he wouldn’t be.

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jaunte  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:12:05am

The dead-enders will continue to pull the R party apart.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:12:08am

re: #131 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s going to be what defines the Trump Presidency. How could it not?

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:16:25am

re: #135 jaunte

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The dead-enders will continue to pull the R party apart.

I am shocked more that Chuck didn’t cede the whole hour to Rudy and the Trump mob.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:16:34am

re: #136 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s going to be what defines the Trump Presidency. How could it not?

History will marvel at how many fools deluded themselves into believing that the worst President in American history was actually one of the best.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:17:10am

re: #133 jaunte

“This is real. This is deadly.” Health care workers in hard-hit states have taken to social media to plead people to take coronavirus precautions seriously.

The President called it a hoax

Manhood depends on rejecting masks.

Patriotism and Individual Freedom call demand that we reject masks and ridicule those who would even ask us to wear them.

Social media are not going to be able to counter those attitudes effectively.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:18:15am

re: #124 Nyet

Prior to 2002, Kucinich’s voting record was strongly anti-abortion, but he currently maintains a pro-abortion rights stance on abortion. In 1996, he was quoted as saying that “life begins at conception”, and he has also voted in favor of banning partial birth abortion and preventing the transport of minors to undergo abortion procedures. However, since then he has been a strong supporter of abortion rights. He said in a 2003 interview that he had a “journey” regarding the abortion issue which “caused me to break from a voting record that had not been pro-choice”.[77]

I remember when Kucinich was Mayor of Cleveland endlessly fighting a right wing city council over privatizing the city owned electric utility. He lost that battle mainly by being totally tactless. That threw him into the political wilderness for years until he was able to get elected to Congress. Then the 2010 gerrymandering took him out once and for all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:19:55am

re: #138 thedopefishlives

History will marvel at how many fools deluded themselves into believing that the worst President in American history was actually one of the best.

They were convinced without evidence that Trump won the popular vote in 2016

They are convinced despite massive evidence that Covid is a hoax

They can easily believe that he is a Great American President robbed of a second term through widespread Deep-State, Soros-funded voter fraud.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:21:10am

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They were convinced without evidence that Trump won the popular vote in 2016

They are convinced despite massive evidence that Covid is a hoax

They can easily believe that he is a Great American President robbed of a second term through widespread Deep-State, Soros-funded voter fraud.

And what brings them to these deluded beliefs?

Why it’s the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine that brainwashes them!

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jaunte  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:21:33am

No, they’re trying to stage a coup.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:22:11am

re: #142 🌹UOJB!

And what brings them to these deluded beliefs?

Why it’s the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine that brainwashes them!

Christian churches preaching from the pulpit that abortion is the only political issue that matters, and that all the other sin in the world can be forgiven and overlooked as long as you vote for the man who hates abortion. I am so sick of that attitude, and I am going to preach against it anywhere I encounter it.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:22:16am

re: #118 dangerman

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jaunte  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:22:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:23:34am

re: #143 jaunte

No, they’re trying to stage a coup.

They are going after Dominion Software. That seems to be a common denominator. I saw that Lou Dobbs clip as well and the base is totally fired up over it.

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jaunte  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:24:39am
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BigPapa  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:24:39am

re: #134 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s true too. Just embarrassed by it honestly. More so that I thought he would be a good President when he wouldn’t be.

Shit, I supported Palin at first. I think I got you there.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:25:26am

re: #146 jaunte

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Here’s a hint: We think Republican voters are stupid because 1) They voted for Trump, AGAIN, and 2) they’re actually buying his bulkshit. If they weren’t stupid, it wouldn’t be working.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:25:26am

re: #144 thedopefishlives

Christian churches preaching from the pulpit that abortion is the only political issue that matters, and that all the other sin in the world can be forgiven and overlooked as long as you vote for the man who hates abortion. I am so sick of that attitude, and I am going to preach against it anywhere I encounter it.

The point is that a GOP politician can beat or cheat on his wife, turn to God and be taken back into the fold.

But the Democrats can be as moral & straight-and-narrow as they like but never know God’s grace as long as they facilitate fetuscide.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:25:45am

re: #149 BigPapa

Shit, I supported Palin at first. I think I got you there.

Ha yeah you do.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:25:49am

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are going after Dominion Software. That seems to be a common denominator. I saw that Lou Dobbs clip as well and the base is totally fired up over it.

Dominion has put up a stfu, here are the facts page….it’s pretty good.

dominionvoting.com

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:26:04am

re: #144 thedopefishlives

Christian churches preaching from the pulpit that abortion is the only political issue that matters, and that all the other sin in the world can be forgiven and overlooked as long as you vote for the man who hates abortion. I am so sick of that attitude, and I am going to preach against it anywhere I encounter it.

Yes the same bishops in the Cult Of The Fetus that look the other way when priests molest kids. And the same Pulpit Pimps in the Cult Of The Fetus that won’t lift a finger when children are hungry and sick.

The Cult Of The Fetus is finished with babies once they are born. From then on it’s YOYO time for the infant—You’re On Your Own.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:26:46am

re: #150 thedopefishlives

Here’s a hint: We think Republican voters are stupid because 1) They voted for Trump, AGAIN, and 2) they’re actually buying his bulkshit. If they weren’t stupid, it wouldn’t be working.

I mean what the hell else am I supposed to conclude? I do blame social media for creating bubbles for people politically and maybe I’m just as guilty but there’s a lot of deusion in Trump world.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:27:51am

re: #130 b.d. (We Won!)

lol, f*ck this guy. I’m going to enjoy seeing the whole cabal go to prison.

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Fortunately more of us ignorant, anti-American and anti-Christians voted

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:29:25am
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:30:14am
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dangerman  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:30:16am

re: #133 jaunte

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11 months in “take it seriously”?
Now?
er, seriously?
(The nyt, not the docs)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:30:56am

Really annoyed though not surprised that Proud Boys showed up in DC yesterday and started stirring up shit. God I hate those fascist little fucks.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:31:47am

re: #155 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean what the hell else am I supposed to conclude? I do blame social media for creating bubbles for people politically and maybe I’m just as guilty but there’s a lot of deusion in Trump world.

I get this from Mrs. Fish a lot, because I hang out with you guys and take in a lot of left-leaning news. Maybe there’s something to that, but I do try to at least read and understand what our political opponents are saying, and see what is valid and what isn’t. I try not to just take it on faith that they’re wrong (even though they almost always are these days).

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Jay C  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:32:33am

re: #156 dangerman

Fortunately more of us ignorant, anti-American and anti-Christians voted

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So this is Trump’s idea of “Progress”??
Rather than directly insulting voters who voted against him, he retweets some other asshole’s insults, instead?
With an “argument from authority” because said asshole is a “business professor”??

Yeah, real stride forward…. ////

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:32:39am

re: #160 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Really annoyed though not surprised that Proud Boys The Q Cucks Klan showed up in DC yesterday and started stirring up shit. God I hate those fascist little fucks.

And I have several relatives in the QCK who were there and are proud that they got the publicity the QCK craved. Oh and the police encouraged them every step of the way…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:33:20am

re: #153 b.d. (We Won!)

Dominion has put up a stfu, here are the facts page….it’s pretty good.

dominionvoting.com

Even newsmax, a typically rabid pro-GOP, pro-Trump site, is astonishingly low-key when you actually get past the headlinews:

The issues that Trump’s campaign and its allies have pointed to are typical in every election: problems with signatures, secrecy envelopes, and postal marks on mail-in ballots, as well as the potential for a small number of ballots miscast or lost. With Biden leading Trump by wide margins in key battleground states, those issues might not prove “outcome determinative” of the election.

Trump’s campaign has also filed legal challenges complaining their poll watchers were unable to scrutinize the voting process. Many of those challenges have been tossed out by judges, some within hours of their filing.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:34:50am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Isn’t Newsmax one of the places Trump-humpers have started going to now that Faux News is starting to succumb to reality?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:34:53am

Amend the Constitution to Prevent Another Trump

First, an amendment should work against conflicts of interest by making the disclosure of tax returns well before Election Day an eligibility requirement for federal offices. And it should expand the Constitution’s emoluments clause, which bars the president from accepting gifts or favors from foreign states, to explicitly include the president and his or her immediate family, and cover businesses held directly and indirectly.

The amendment should replace the Office of Government Ethics with a new entity that’s responsible jointly to the president and both houses of Congress, charged not only with establishing ethics regulations but also with suspending officials who violate them. It should institutionalize the independence of the Justice Department by making the attorney general an officer who serves at the pleasure of both the president and Congress, thereby ensuring that attorneys general would not be able to do active harm for very long.

Finally, the amendment should prevent presidents from pardoning themselves, their families, their staffs and campaign officials, and perhaps even major donors to their campaigns. It should eliminate the ability to grant pardons between Election Day and the beginning of the next presidential term.

The actions of presidents and candidates have led to constitutional amendments before. The 12th Amendment, ratified in 1804, fixed flaws in the Electoral College system that were revealed in the elections of 1796 and 1800. The 22nd Amendment, ratified in 1951, established presidential term limits after Franklin D. Roosevelt broke a tradition set by George Washington by seeking a third and fourth term. The 25th Amendment, ratified in 1967, clarified rules for presidential succession and incapacitation that had been highlighted by Dwight D. Eisenhower’s health issues and the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:37:37am

re: #165 thedopefishlives

Isn’t Newsmax one of the places Trump-humpers have started going to now that Faux News is starting to succumb to reality?

I check in there now and then because it is not a virulent as Fox but still generally puts up the Party Line and standard GOP talking points that are in circulation…but it strikes me as telling that they are not running with the Dominion Software Fraud thing at all, unlike Fox…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:38:48am

re: #161 thedopefishlives

I get this from Mrs. Fish a lot, because I hang out with you guys and take in a lot of left-leaning news. Maybe there’s something to that, but I do try to at least read and understand what our political opponents are saying, and see what is valid and what isn’t. I try not to just take it on faith that they’re wrong (even though they almost always are these days).

Yeah I definitely am aware that I have my biases and live in my own bubbles to some extent but it’s hard not to when Trump ran totally lying about the basic reality of where we were as a country in 2016. The lies about unemployment, our standing in the world, etc. Well that’s all actually happened under his Presidency.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:39:26am

re: #163 🌹UOJB!

And I have several relatives in the QCK who were there and are proud that they got the publicity the QCK craved. Oh and the police encouraged them every step of the way…

I just stayed the hell away. I’m not a street brawler nor do I aspire to be one.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:39:44am

re: #165 thedopefishlives

Isn’t Newsmax one of the places Trump-humpers have started going to now that Faux News is starting to succumb to reality?

Newsmax and OANN.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:40:24am

re: #170 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Newsmax and OANN.

OANN seemed to be source of his claims against Dominion.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:43:29am

Trump’s “He Won” tweet is getting quoted everywhere and few are mentioning the tweet of him walking it back

I bet Donald deletes this tweet:

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:43:53am

The cable franchises here carry OANN and The Blaze in their basic lineup.

You have to go to the next tier for MSNBC or FSTV.

Another reason why I got rid of the brainwashing box and just stream anymore.

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BigPapa  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:46:21am

re: #168 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah I definitely am aware that I have my biases and live in my own bubbles to some extent but it’s hard not to when Trump ran totally lying about the basic reality of where we were as a country in 2016. The lies about unemployment, our standing in the world, etc. Well that’s all actually happened under his Presidency.

One can be biased in thinking but still be objective when reviewing news or current events, or reporting on them. I’ve been thinking for some time the distinction between the two is becoming lost or ignorned.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:47:16am

re: #174 BigPapa

One can be biased in thinking but still be objective when reviewing news or current events, or reporting on them. I’ve been thinking for some time the distinction between the two is becoming lost or ignorned.

It is now about creating a media reality removed from any objective standards of truth.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:47:36am

re: #168 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

But is it really “left leaning” when it’s the actual truth, based on facts (and frankly, in this case, based on what you can see with your own eyes)? This is something I will have trouble forgiving these fools for. If it seems “left leaning”, whatever the hell that is supposed to mean, then it’s just not true or has to be extensively investigated to be believed. Something is either true or it isn’t. Has nothing to do with left vs.right, it’s truth vs. fiction. It’s doing permanent damage, to families, friendships and the nation as a whole. Because a group of people have been indoctrinating the entire country for decades to believe anything even remotely left of something like Trump is bad and evil and we don’t even need to talk about it because that’s just how evil liberals are. If the truth has a lefty bias, that’s NOT on us, it’s on them for being liars.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:48:49am

re: #174 BigPapa

One can be biased in thinking but still be objective when reviewing news or current events, or reporting on them. I’ve been thinking for some time the distinction between the two is becoming lost or ignorned.

I mean I’ll be the first to admit here. I definitely underestimated Trump’s floor of support going into this election. There’s a large enough demographic in this country that supports him and him absolutely. But I really worry about how we can lose touch with the truth. The whole idea that these people have that this election was stolen from Trump is ridiculous nonsense. I dunno. But I’ll say this much. I miss what social media was. I hate what it’s become.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:49:04am

New talking point:

Trump admits that Biden Won

No context, no qualifications, just the OBJECTIVE FACT of what he said.

And no, you can’t take it back.

HE WON

own it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:50:37am

re: #176 A Mom Anon

But is it really “left leaning” when it’s the actual truth, based on facts (and frankly, in this case, based on what you can see with your own eyes)? This is something I will have trouble forgiving these fools for. If it seems “left leaning”, whatever the hell that is supposed to mean, then it’s just not true or has to be extensively investigated to be believed. Something is either true or it isn’t. Has nothing to do with left vs.right, it’s truth vs. fiction. It’s doing permanent damage, to families, friendships and the nation as a whole. Because a group of people have been indoctrinating the entire country for decades to believe anything even remotely left of something like Trump is bad and evil and we don’t even need to talk about it because that’s just how evil liberals are. If the truth has a lefty bias, that’s NOT on us, it’s on them for being liars.

Yeah that’s the thing. A lot of the people I have strong agreements with regarding Trump aren’t staunch liberals. And hell I think there are even some people on the left who downplay how bad Trump is because they believe stuff like Trump being anti war and scaling down our presence overseas.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:50:49am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:51:22am
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Jay C  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:55:59am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Even newsmax, a typically rabid pro-GOP, pro-Trump site, is astonishingly low-key when you actually get past the headlinews:

The issues that Trump’s campaign and its allies have pointed to are typical in every election: problems with signatures, secrecy envelopes, and postal marks on mail-in ballots, as well as the potential for a small number of ballots miscast or lost. With Biden leading Trump by wide margins in key battleground states, those issues might not prove “outcome determinative” of the election.

Trump’s campaign has also filed legal challenges complaining their poll watchers were unable to scrutinize the voting process. Many of those challenges have been tossed out by judges, some within hours of their filing.

Since my long-held belief has, seemingly, turned out to be how things worked out in actuality, I’ll just toss it out one more last time:

I really think the Trump campaign, from the Imbecile-in-Chief right on down, seriously screwed themselves in this election via their constant caterwauling over mail-in/absentee/remote/early voting. They (as usual) telegraphed their “challenge” strategy so often and so clearly, that I think it prodded many state authorities (who, after all, have the actual responsibility to conduct elections), to tighten up their balloting/counting procedures, and make sure that all the safeguards and re-checking systems were in place and ready to go by Election Day: knowing that the Trump/GOP people were going to start flinging shit the minute the polls closed. And that - even in “red states” - they weren’t going to have any of it.

Hence, I think, the GOP’s utter failure in trying to legally “challenge” the results: so far (AFAICT), nothing they have attempted has uncovered any more than the usual (miniscule) number of “bad” ballots present in any/every election in this country: and those as likely to be for Trump as for Biden - as might be expected. And it certainly hasn’t helped their case(s) that - as noted - the challenges have been extraordinarily-badly-presented: and often based on little more than “Trump’s tweets” and “Internet rumor”.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 15, 2020 • 7:58:22am

Your Sunday morning chuckle.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:09:04am
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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:09:09am

re: #97 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:10:53am

re: #182 Jay C

…Hence, I think, the GOP’s utter failure in trying to legally “challenge” the results: so far (AFAICT), nothing they have attempted has uncovered any more than the usual (miniscule) number of “bad” ballots present in any/every election in this country: and those as likely to be for Trump as for Biden - as might be expected. And it certainly hasn’t helped their case(s) that - as noted - the challenges have been extraordinarily-badly-presented: and often based on little more than “Trump’s tweets” and “Internet rumor”.

Had it come down to one key state that could have tipped the outcome like Florida 2020, then Trump’s strategy might have played out and gotten him his Day in Court.

But even newsmax has all but admitted that he is not likely to get anywhere with it.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:11:45am

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

I think his former co-conspirator, Michael Cohen, is right.

Trump will boogie off to Mar-a-Lago for the holiday break and simply never return to D.C. And I’ll add that he’ll announce his 2024 presidential candidacy from Mar-a-Lago…on 20 January, 2021 at the same time as Joe Biden is sworn in.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:12:24am

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

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Kicking and screaming, please.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:13:11am

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

I think his former co-conspirator, Michael Cohen, is right.

Trump will boogie off to Mar-a-Lago for the holiday break and simply never return to D.C. And I’ll add that he’ll announce his 2024 presidential candidacy from Mar-a-Lago…on 20 January, 2021 at the same time as Joe Biden is sworn in.

And I will not be surprised when DeSADIST refuses to extradite Trump and his family to New York to face charges brought by AG James.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:13:18am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Had it come down to one key state that could have tipped the outcome like Florida 2020, then Trump’s strategy might have played out and gotten him his Day in Court.

But even newsmax has all but admitted that he is not likely to get anywhere with it.

I bet that’s what they were counting on, that it would come down to FL or maybe PA or something, and that all blew up when Biden flipped AZ, WI and MI as well as PA. They were simply overwhelmed and their strategy fell apart.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:13:19am

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

By re-enacting the Elian Gonzalez scene.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:13:46am

re: #189 🌹UOJB!

And I will not be surprised when DeSADIST refuses to extradite Trump and his family to New York to face charges brought by AG James.

I wouldn’t be surprised by that either.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:14:00am

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

I think his former co-conspirator, Michael Cohen, is right.

Trump will boogie off to Mar-a-Lago for the holiday break and simply never return to D.C. And I’ll add that he’ll announce his 2024 presidential candidacy from Mar-a-Lago…on 20 January, 2021 at the same time as Joe Biden is sworn in.

Yeah I think he’s going to try to sell himself as a President in exile type from Mar-a -Lago via his likely new streaming service. He’s going to be desperate to still make headlines.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:17:16am

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

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Why mess with the classics?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:18:17am

re: #193 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah I think he’s going to try to sell himself as a President in exile type from Mar-a -Lago via his likely new streaming service. He’s going to be desperate to still make headlines.

Yeah, that’d be 100% on-brand for Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:19:24am

re: #190 Dr Lizardo

I bet that’s what they were counting on, that it would come down to FL or maybe PA or something, and that all blew up when Biden flipped AZ, WI and MI as well as PA. They were simply overwhelmed and their strategy fell apart.

He was going to cling to his claims nonetheless, but with the GA run-off coming up, the whole GOP has to go along with him or risk his wrath…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:21:05am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was going to cling to his claims nonetheless, but with the GA run-off coming up, the whole GOP has to go along with him or risk his wrath…

Sure. If the GOP told Trump to sit down and STFU and take it like a man, he’d take to his Twitter account and start ranting about being stabbed in the back by the Republican Party. And that could torpedo the GOP’s Senatorial hopes in Georgia.

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Teukka  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:30:13am

Too harsh?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:31:32am

re: #197 Dr Lizardo

Sure. If the GOP told Trump to sit down and STFU and take it like a man, he’d take to his Twitter account and start ranting about being stabbed in the back by the Republican Party. And that could torpedo the GOP’s Senatorial hopes in Georgia.

So they are being held hostage by a three-year-old throwing a temper tantrum in the check-out aisle…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:38:02am

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, that’d be 100% on-brand for Trump.

Guarantee the phrase “ your favorite president”. I just wonder when enough people just exhausted by the daily resentments and whines of Donald John Trump. I feel bad for the Secret Service who have to protect him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:38:23am

re: #198 Teukka

Too harsh?

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Nah.

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lizardofid  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:38:43am

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

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Pulled from a spider hole in the Rose Garden.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:39:10am

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So they are being held hostage by a three-year-old throwing a temper tantrum in the check-out aisle…

And they worked long and hard to get there.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:39:48am

re: #200 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Guarantee the phrase “ your favorite president”. I just wonder when enough people just exhausted by the daily resentments and whines of Donald John Trump. I feel bad for the Secret Service who have to protect him.

Sad truth is Trump will never STFU until his dying breath. He’ll keep spewing “I WAS ROBBED!!!” until the day he dies.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:40:11am

Just saw a commenter on Crooks and Liars call Marjorie Taylor Greene “Low-IQanon”. I like that.

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Jay C  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:41:29am

re: #190 Dr Lizardo

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Had it come down to one key state that could have tipped the outcome like Florida 2020, then Trump’s strategy might have played out and gotten him his Day in Court.

But even newsmax has all but admitted that he is not likely to get anywhere with it.

I bet that’s what they were counting on, that it would come down to FL or maybe PA or something, and that all blew up when Biden flipped AZ, WI and MI as well as PA. They were simply overwhelmed and their strategy fell apart.

I think Wendell meant “Florida 2000” (?) because that really was the only scenario where a full-court* press of legal challenge(s) MIGHT be able to sway the state’s EVs: maybe. A narrow, ambiguous win/loss in a “red” state that might be able to leverage the partisan biases of the (?state? courts? Lege?) to eke out a Trump win, even if not the deciding votes, but way more vital if they were.
Fortunately, still a fantasy scenario….

*literally

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:43:19am

re: #204 Dr Lizardo

Sad truth is Trump will never STFU until his dying breath. He’ll keep spewing “I WAS ROBBED!!!” until the day he dies.

And Don Jr, Eric, & Javanka seem eager to continue the grift. I really hate what this family had to the democratic process. I don’t know yet but I fear he’s created something that we’ve never seen before that puts our democracy and institutions in danger.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:43:55am

re: #193 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah I think he’s going to try to sell himself as a President in exile type from Mar-a -Lago via his likely new streaming service. He’s going to be desperate to still make headlines.

Without any actual power Trump is going to once again find himself to be a comic relief no-talent whose only further success hinges on being a rabble-rouser scam artist selling his face on gold coins, plates and other assorted vulgar chanka. This of course is dependent on him being able to stay out of prison.

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retired cynic  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:45:16am

re: #193 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah I think he’s going to try to sell himself as a President in exile type from Mar-a -Lago via his likely new streaming service. He’s going to be desperate to still make headlines.

Yes, he’d like that better anyway. All the attention, none of the responsibility (that he should have recognized, and didn’t).

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:45:57am

re: #198 Teukka

Too harsh?

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Nope.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:47:20am

re: #208 Florida Panhandler

Without any actual power Trump is going to once again find himself to be a comic relief no-talent whose only further success hinges on being a rabble-rouser scam artist selling his face on gold coins, plates and other assorted vulgar chanka. This of course is dependent on him being able to stay out of prison.

Yeah I’m not totally panicked. I definitely think without the bully pulpit of the presidency and being a loser will hurt his brand going forward. Plus he’s going to have to go places where he owes money.

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jeffreyw  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:47:49am

re: #193 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah I think he’s going to try to sell himself as a President in exile type from Mar-a -Lago via his likely new streaming service. He’s going to be desperate to still make headlines.

In other words, dust off the 2016 plans that he shelved due to unforeseen circumstance.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:49:19am

re: #212 jeffreyw

In other words, dust off the 2016 plans that he shelved do to unforeseen circumstance.

The Trump Streaming Service.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:50:44am

At this point it almost feels like everything is fucked and we are all doomed to get Covid eventually because a good portion of this country refuses to take precautions.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:52:30am

re: #198 Teukka

Too harsh?

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Nope.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:52:44am

re: #213 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The Trump Streaming Screaming Service.

Edited for accuracy.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:53:00am

Good morning.
Based on a quick consultation it seems the wifes’ fever and symptoms are an old malady acting up. No fevers for 12 hours but checking regularly. Fingers crossed.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:53:46am

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

At this point it almost feels like everything is fucked and we are all doomed to get Covid eventually because a good portion of this country refuses to take precautions.

Depends on getting a vaccine and the sequence of arrival. If it comes later than a sharp die-off and economic collapse, it will be more attractive to the slow learners.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:55:28am

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

At this point it almost feels like everything is fucked and we are all doomed to get Covid eventually because a good portion of this country refuses to take precautions SUЯЯEИDER IT’S FREEDOMS!!!.

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CleverToad  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:58:00am

re: #217 Rightwingconspirator

Good morning.
Based on a quick consultation it seems the wifes’ fever and symptoms are an old malady acting up. No fevers for 12 hours but checking regularly. Fingers crossed.

Will keep our fingers crossed too — sending good wishes for you both

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JC1  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:59:24am

re: #143 jaunte

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No, they’re trying to stage a coup.

Nah, they’re just continuing to fleece the rubes.

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Teukka  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:10:52am

Not gonna tell you whether this is satire or not:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:14:25am

re: #222 Teukka

Not gonna tell you whether this is satire or not:

Covid statistics make my head hurt!

I see a lot of that from my sister-in-law

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:19:05am

re: #220 CleverToad

Thanks. I am very glad to not need to isolate (not work). And foremost not worry about that last time she visited Mom. WHEW.

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stpaulbear  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:27:59am
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:29:51am
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:30:19am

Last week we had temperatures in the ‘70’s.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:31:21am

re: #226 The Pie Overlord!

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We’re having some pretty forceful winds here in NW PA also.

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stpaulbear  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:33:47am

re: #208 Florida Panhandler

Without any actual power Trump is going to once again find himself to be a comic relief no-talent whose only further success hinges on being a rabble-rouser scam artist selling his face on gold coins, plates and other assorted vulgar chanka. This of course is dependent on him being able to stay out of prison.

..and not have all of his assets seized in bankruptcy court.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:37:54am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Kucinich reminds us that “left” and “right” are arbitrary designations based on the seating order of the French Parliament in the 19th century.

a number of views are assigned to “left” and “right” but their clearly defining point back then was between those who supported the current government and those who didn’t.

It’s why my political spectrum is triangular with the vertexes labelled ‘humanist’, ‘authoritarian’, and ‘barbarian’.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:39:56am

re: #207 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And Don Jr, Eric, & Javanka seem eager to continue the grift. I really hate what this family had to the democratic process. I don’t know yet but I fear he’s created something that we’ve never seen before that puts our democracy and institutions in danger.

Trump may have been a gifted, but the movement around him was a cult. When it just becomes about grifting, it will be weak.

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retired cynic  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:43:28am

re: #226 The Pie Overlord!

We have that wind down here, an hour northeast of St Louis, too. And a friend northwest of Chicago is having it. Yuck!

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:44:08am

re: #222 Teukka

Not.

I didn’t even smile. So it’s unlikely to be satire.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:45:02am

re: #232 retired cynic

We have that wind down here, an hour northeast of St Louis, too. And a friend northwest of Chicago is having it. Yuck!

We’re getting it up here in Minnesota, as well.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:59:05am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:05:36am

re: #228 Eventual Carrion

We’re having some pretty forceful winds here in NW PA also.

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Here in MD, too.

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Teukka  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:05:58am

So, this anime I’m following — Kimetsu no Yaiba (Demon Slayer) — recently released a movie of one of the story arcs. Can’t wait for a BD/DVD or other release here of the Mugen Train movie. Music sounds promising:

LiSA 『炎』 -MUSiC CLiP-

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:08:35am

😂😂😂😂😂😂

It’s from a store! 😳

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:10:11am

re: #26 The Ghost of a Flea

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…..

As much as I can get pissed at individual bad actors, the vast majority of these people are subject to systems that have maimed them from birth. It’s like their grandparents broke their legs and then set them crooked, on purpose.

The reality is that we have to talk about them as obstacles to change, but at the same time…it is necessary to resist that individualistic conceit that they have not been acted upon, that there is some kind of absolute “choice” they made.

It’s fucking tragic. My town is tragic, the poor people in my town are tragic even when they frighten or anger me, because….they’ve been put where they are. And by virtue of being both a cultural outsider and member of the elite, I get to see the stay-behind cultural system that keeps them feeling trapped and uncertain and uninformed and thus looking for easy answers.

It sucks, because it would be so much easier if you couldn’t see the machinery that pins them in place.

The Trump supporters I know are not the “left behind” in the rural communities. They aren’t broken. They are generally successful financially and most are very well educated. It may just reflect that certain people (most people?) are susceptible to brain washing. But it may also be that too many people are attracted to loud mouth bullies who demean and belittle those who are not white or healthy or Christian. Trump was able to pretend he was wealthy because he paid no price for failing to release his tax returns, which may have overturned the narrative of a successful real estate developer. We live in a society obsessed with celebrities — and Trump seized on that failing and turned it into the most watched and powerful reality show in history.

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:10:29am

2017: Malibu, CA

This dude used to have a short order cap and was holding a burger in the 1960’s and he May once have held a tire in Oxnard

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makeitstop  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:10:51am

re: #235 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Add this guy…

Morons.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:13:45am

re: #226 The Pie Overlord!

It’s covering the entire lower peninsula…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:17:40am

re: #238 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

😂😂😂😂😂😂

It’s from a store! 😳

Hankey the Thanksgiving poo!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:18:08am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:19:18am

re: #155 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean what the hell else am I supposed to conclude? I do blame social media for creating bubbles for people politically and maybe I’m just as guilty but there’s a lot of deusion in Trump world.

Too much time lurking in the RW bubble can suck anyone in. There is the real world and then there is alternative reality— and this alternative reality blinds you to the truth and makes you more susceptible to accepting statements that are outright lies. Bubbles mean that you hang out with like minded acquaintances and not be exposed to other perspectives. But the term bubble is also describes investment opportunities that are not based on a real evaluation of the products but the enthusiasm of other investors — and tend to implode and leave those still invested much poorer for the experience.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:21:22am

re: #241 makeitstop

Add this guy…

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Morons.

What’s really awful about that is they notified the other Republicans but not any Democrats. Insidious murderous fucks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:22:02am

re: #246 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What’s really awful about that is they notified the other Republicans but not any Democrats. Insidious murderous fucks.

I read about that. Since it was a Democrat Hoax to begin with I guess they felt no need…

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stpaulbear  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:24:07am

Cruising YouTubers couldn’t wait to start YouTubing from cruise ships again. Their latest YouTube post (which YouTube recommended to me) is:

COVID IS ON OUR SHIP: Live from the SeaDream 1

Ten minutes long. Starts out kind of breezy and still singing the praises of the cruise ship staff. Ends with them looking rather grim and saying that they must get off the ship as soon as possible. Comments are “Like, Duh!”

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:26:35am

re: #246 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What’s really awful about that is they notified the other Republicans but not any Democrats. Insidious murderous fucks.

Any more proof needed that Republicans want to kill Democrats?

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makeitstop  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:26:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:27:05am

re: #248 stpaulbear

Cruising YouTubers couldn’t wait to start YouTubing from cruise ships again. Their latest YouTube post (which YouTube recommended to me) is:

COVID IS ON OUR SHIP: Live from the SeaDream 1

Ten minutes long. Starts out kind of breezy and still singing the praises of the cruise ship staff. Ends with them looking rather grim and saying that they must get off the ship as soon as possible. Comments are “Like, Duh!”

Until the vaccine has been made widely available and numbers are seriously on the decline, you are not about to get me on an airplane or cruise ship for love or money.

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jaunte  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:27:12am
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Belafon  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:28:37am

re: #252 jaunte

“Actually, it’s 79 million.”

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retired cynic  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:30:35am

re: #253 Belafon

and going up.

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jaunte  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:31:29am

And yet major media outlets continue to give time to people who assert with no evidence at all that Biden somehow did not win the election.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:33:41am

re: #238 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo.

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BigPapa  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:36:20am

This weird media obsession with hearing from Trump voters is maddening. It’s not like they can’t STFU to begin with.

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BigPapa  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:38:11am

Wife Unit wanted an omelette. I decided it was going to be a quiche. She got upset because she wanted an omelette. I told her it’s an oven omelette. Problem solved.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:41:30am

re: #257 BigPapa

This weird media obsession with hearing from Trump voters is maddening. It’s not like they can’t STFU to begin with.

I know, I can’t qwhite put my finger on it…

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Interesting Times  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:41:59am

re: #245 Hecuba’s daughter

Too much time lurking in the RW bubble can suck anyone in. There is the real world and then there is alternative reality— and this alternative reality blinds you to the truth and makes you more susceptible to accepting statements that are outright lies.

It’s actually far worse than that - we know that tens of millions of Americans are ridiculously susceptible to brainwashing and mass delusion…but if it’s so easy to fool people into believing bad, dangerous things, why isn’t equally easy to get them to believe or accept good things? The answer is in this thread by award-winning sci-fi author N.K. Jemisin (and one really needs to read the whole thing):

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:44:00am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:44:22am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:49:10am

re: #262 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Too bad that in standard chess, she can’t take out the judge as that move requires a knight. But in shark chess, where queens are knighted, they could.

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Citizen K  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:51:44am

re: #245 Hecuba’s daughter

Too much time lurking in the RW bubble can suck anyone in. There is the real world and then there is alternative reality— and this alternative reality blinds you to the truth and makes you more susceptible to accepting statements that are outright lies. Bubbles mean that you hang out with like minded acquaintances and not be exposed to other perspectives. But the term bubble is also describes investment opportunities that are not based on a real evaluation of the products but the enthusiasm of other investors — and tend to implode and leave those still invested much poorer for the experience.

It’s worse than that, because as we’re seeing demonstrated yet again, the ‘mainstream’ news sees this and promotes this as somehow the voice from ‘Real America’ and continues to fall all over themselves to push this as somehow a revealing look into an undercovered demographic, despite literally covering this weekly at minimum.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:51:51am

re: #263 Eric The Fruit Bat

Too bad that in standard chess, she can’t take out the judge as that move requires a knight. But in shark chess, where queens are knighted, they could.

I literally have no idea what you’re talking about.

What chess are you playing?

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451_Montag  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:51:54am

re: #260 Interesting Times

I suggest it should be called Qumami. Mouth feel, with a side of craziness.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:55:48am

re: #252 jaunte

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:56:34am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:02:22am

re: #236 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Here in MD, too.

Weather service is warning of gusts up to 70 mph.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:03:36am

re: #238 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

😂😂😂😂😂😂

It’s from a store! 😳

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Mr. Hankey finally has work again.

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Egregious Philbin  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:03:38am

Just logged my 2000th mile on my bike, in one year!

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:05:01am

re: #267 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I think Oliver is not correct in his evaluation: yes, only a minority may have become racist nativists BUT among white workers who got laid off, a vast majority were already/became racist nativists. In the focus on WWC, too many keep forgetting that many factory workers were people of color.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:05:04am

re: #265 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Shark chess is a chess variant where, in addition to standard moves, each piece gets an additional movement (queens can move like knights, bishops can move 1 square horizontally/vertically, rooks can move 1 square diagonally, I forget what additional move the knight has)) - the object of shark chess is that pieces get gobbled up quick due to the enhanced moves.

In the picture in the tweet, the queen would need to move like a knight to capture the barrister/judge, etc.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:05:36am
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teleskiguy  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:06:42am
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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:10:38am

re: #275 teleskiguy

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Baron Harkonnen the Hutt says what now?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:11:11am

re: #198 Teukka

Too harsh?

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Nope. Perfect.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:11:46am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:15:47am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:17:09am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:17:22am

re: #279 Dread Pirate Ron

Excellent. Cull the herd.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:17:28am

re: #261 Charles Johnson

The obsession with Trump voters is sickening. The MSM has shown little interest in speaking with the POC voters who overcame real obstacles to support Biden. Their stories aren’t deemed newsworthy but we keep hearing from the racists and bigots who idolize Trump.
Enough!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:17:42am

re: #275 teleskiguy

We should report this for self-harm. 🙃

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:18:07am

re: #279 Dread Pirate Ron

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That’s the same percentage of Americans against abortion.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:18:39am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:19:15am

It’s always those 30 or so percent of nutjobs that fuck it all up for the rest of us.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:20:56am
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thedopefishlives  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:22:05am

re: #286 Eclectic Cyborg

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It’s always those 30 or so percent of nutjobs that fuck it all up for the rest of us.

We are planning on attending Thanksgiving with my family, still. Logistics are going to be tough; I am trying to figure out a plan of minimal personal interaction (drive-thru and bringing along snacks/drinks, pay at the pump). My family all together is exactly ten people, so I’m not super worried about it once we’re actually there.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:23:37am

re: #279 Dread Pirate Ron

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:25:30am

They’re so traumatized. Just the mention of my name triggers them all over again.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:28:52am

re: #274 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Dun & Bradstreet:

Lifers Supply Co Ltd is located in Lebanon, OH, United States and is part of the Wholesale Sector Industry. Lifers Supply Co Ltd has 1 total employees across all of its locations and generates $45,683 in sales (USD).

Something isn’t right here.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:30:50am

re: #290 Charles Johnson

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They’re so traumatized. Just the mention of my name triggers them all over again.

Living rent-free in their heads.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:31:06am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:32:58am
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BigPapa  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:33:12am

The Squad was endlessly maligned by the right. I hope the DNC gets to brass tacks and returns the favor for the new Q aligned or racist Congress critters. Hammer them.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:33:49am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:35:15am
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IngisKahn  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:40:04am

Inquiring minds want to know!
Who is fucking Charles Johnson? We want names!

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:40:14am

re: #260 Interesting Times

It’s actually far worse than that - we know that tens of millions of Americans are ridiculously susceptible to brainwashing and mass delusion…but if it’s so easy to fool people into believing bad, dangerous things, why isn’t equally easy to get them to believe or accept good things? The answer is in this thread by award-winning sci-fi author N.K. Jemisin (and one really needs to read the whole thing):

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It’s also that complex problems do not have bumper sticker sized explanations or solutions

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:42:00am

Lre: #293 Charles Johnson

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That guy who hired Bolton? Pretty stupid guy too if he hired him.

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piratedan  Nov 15, 2020 • 12:36:01pm

re: #290 Charles Johnson

well, whoever she is, she’s probably happier than whoever is currently with that tweeter….

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 15, 2020 • 3:16:04pm

re: #298 IngisKahn

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Inquiring minds want to know!
Who is fucking Charles Johnson? We want names!

A person with 13 followers is asking who is Charles Johnson? Must be 2020.


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