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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:42:38am

The Administration is racing to auction off drilling rights in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge before January 20th. washingtonpost.com

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gocart mozart  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:43:56am
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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:45:53am

Trump’s legal team is abandoning claims after filing them. His lawyers are realizing that sanctions and disciplinary actions by state bar associations isn’t worth it.

They realize also that the mere filing is sufficient to prove to the know nothing base (and Trump himself) that he fought to win.

Reality is that they never had facts, law, or reality on their side. They lost, and all the rest is spin.

Trump is now actively undermining is so called big win on the vaccines, because he refuses to properly conduct the transition so that Biden Admin can distribute the vaccines that were created thus far. Trump is such a fragile snowflake, he’s such a petty and vindictive fuck, that he’d sabotage the logistics to claim that Biden screwed things up (Trump is the originator of the fuckups from the get go).

We see this daily. We see this in the tone and tenor of messaging by Trump and President Elect Biden. Biden congratulates the companies on a vaccine but warns that there are tough times ahead and that it will be months before we have widespread distribution of vaccines to allow a return to normal and that we need to mask/social distance in the meantime.

Trump just touts his own name and repeats his claims he won. That’s it. That’s all he has.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:46:22am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:47:43am
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:48:05am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:48:52am

Surreal 110 year old original color photo. This has also not been restored, at least not by Stuart.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:49:41am

re: #2 gocart mozart

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So nice to see KKKandy continuing to worship at Hitler’s altar.

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Teukka  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:50:22am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:50:55am

Here we go again. This fucked up version of masculinity that is all about football, guns, hunting and Jesus. That somehow you’re not a real man if you don’t have a big ass pickup truck with a toolbox in it and you don’t go fishing on weekends.

Like the worst fucking thing in the world is a straight man who is not afraid to be emotionally vulnerable and maybe likes musicals and wears pink t-shirts and paints landscapes as a hobby.

You know who always feels the need to constantly bitch about what real masculinity is?

MEN WHO ARE NOT SECURE IN THEIR MASCULINITY.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:51:27am

I’ve heard of a stripper named “Delectable” so the food/sex fusion continues apace.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:52:19am

re: #11 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I’ve heard of the marketing overselling a product a bit, but….

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:56:27am

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A Mom Anon  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:56:29am

Speaking of grocery shopping, lol. I’m hearing that big store chains are going back to limiting purchases per customer of paper products, detergents and liquid soaps, etc. Shortages of these items are expected to continue through winter. I’ve only seen Lysol spray once since April, occasionally I’ll see disinfecting wipes, and for the first time since this all started there were bottles of rubbing alcohol at the store last week. Don’t know what it’s been like for all of you, wherever you are, but I thought I’d pass it along as winter gets closer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:00:27am

re: #14 A Mom Anon

Speaking of grocery shopping, lol. I’m hearing that big store chains are going back to limiting purchases per customer of paper products, detergents and liquid soaps, etc.

Ditto here in Germany.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:00:43am

SOME humans at any rate.

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PrairieQueen  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:02:58am

re: #3 lawhawk

I think he’s using attorney trust funds as multiple rainy day savings accounts to look like he’s making his money work. When he needs it, he’ll start pulling out the cash, knowing these lawsuits were never going to happen but the retainers they would need would be yuge.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:03:08am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Let’s hope they don’t find out about Marilyn Manson - they might have a stroke.

Marilyn Manson - The Dope Show

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Teukka  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:04:23am

re: #16 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

SOME humans at any rate.

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I’ve told this cautionary tale before, but it bears telling it again.
During the first wave of the 1347 pandemic, there was this town north Africa, which was known for the devotion of its inhabitants. Since the pandemic was seen as the wrath and punishment of God, and there was no way the inhabitants could’ve done anything to provoke God’s anger, they thought they were safe. A couple of weeks later, a caravan passed by, finding the inhabitants dead from the disease. All 20,000 or so of them.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:04:52am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I missed it. Who exactly are they complaining about?

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:05:19am

The Republican Party Is Dead. It’s the Trump Cult Now.

The president may well be a liability for Republicans, but the GOP belongs to him now, and no one can change that.

Written by a conservative…

newrepublic.com

Donald Trump is the past, present, and future of the Republican Party. And that is because the GOP is no longer a traditional political party designed to win elections so that it can enact a policy agenda. It is a personality cult built around grievance.

The people waiting in the wings to try to take Trump’s place—Josh Hawley, Tom Cotton, or even the hapless Ted Cruz—believe that they can succeed by offering populist policies without Trump’s cruelty and contempt for the rest of America. They think that if they can only convince Republican voters that they really will take on Big Tech, then the party faithful will rally to their banner. True Trumpism has never been tried!

Four years from now, these pikers will discover the truth: that the cruelty and contempt are not just the essential ingredients of Trumpism but exactly what Republican voters hunger for. They don’t want deregulation, or a lower marginal tax rate, or even The Wall. What they want is the liberation to talk freely about the people they hate.

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PrairieQueen  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:05:58am

re: #20 Belafon

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I missed it. Who exactly are they complaining about?

Harry Styles, on the cover of Vogue, in a dress. Dude DNGAF and gets more ass than a toilet seat. Isn’t concerned if anyone says he’s manly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:08:18am

re: #21 🌹UOJB!

Four years from now, these pikers will discover the truth: that the cruelty and contempt are not just the essential ingredients of Trumpism but exactly what Republican voters hunger for. They don’t want deregulation, or a lower marginal tax rate, or even The Wall. What they want is the liberation to talk freely about the people they hate.

They want to see the people they hate suffering.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:08:42am

re: #20 Belafon

Guys in dresses…

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Teukka  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:10:05am

Somebody should make this, but with text modified to:
o point to covid
o point out it will take longer than the covidiot expected
o it will be extremely uncomfortable all the time the covidiot is dying.

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sagehen  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:14:26am

re: #24 lawhawk

Guys in dresses…

Like the Pope and his Cardinals and Bishops?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:16:04am
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plansbandc  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:16:19am

re: #27 sagehen

Yes. Exactly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:16:56am

re: #27 sagehen

Like the Pope and his Cardinals and Bishops?

This guy is killing it as a father and I would not question his masculinity for a minute.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:19:52am

re: #27 sagehen

Like the Pope and his Cardinals and Bishops?

Or Sufi dervishes….

The Sufi Whirling Dervishes of Konya - ritual dance, Turkey

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Teukka  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:23:01am
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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:23:25am

re: #31 Dr Lizardo

Wouldn’t want to mess with any of these guys…

Win for Lukasz Wenta in Caber Toss Heavy event during 2019 Stonehaven Highland Games in Scotland

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PrairieQueen  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:25:09am

re: #27 sagehen

Like the Pope and his Cardinals and Bishops?

I dunno. In his day, nobody would have kicked Sean Connery out for crackers.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:25:14am

GSA official blocking Biden’s transition appears to privately plan post-Trump career

Is John McEntee going to fire her?

The top General Services Administration official who’s blocking President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team from accessing government resources ahead of his inauguration appears to be looking for a new job, according to a message obtained by ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:25:45am

Wow.

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Greup  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:25:56am

Been done before…

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dangerman  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:26:43am

re: #23 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They want to see the people they hate suffering.

Even at the expense of their own personal financial future and now we’re seeing their life too

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:26:50am

Complaining about males wearing dresses? Who is going to tell the magat crowd that their dear leader wears makeup?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:27:42am

re: #39 Dr. Matt

Complaining about males wearing dresses? Who is going to tell the magat crowd that their dear leader wears makeup?

Trump wears more makeup than Zsa Zsa Gabor ever did.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:28:48am

re: #39 Dr. Matt

Complaining about males wearing dresses? Who is going to tell the magat crowd that their dear leader wears makeup?

He spends more time getting his hair and tint done than most women I know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:29:08am

re: #40 Dr Lizardo

Trump wears more makeup than Zsa Zsa Gabor ever did.

And spends more time fixing his hair than most women ever do…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:31:18am

re: #42 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And spends more time fixing his hair than most women ever do…

Trump could actually rock this look - and it’d be quite an improvement, IMHO.

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PrairieQueen  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:34:18am

re: #43 Dr Lizardo

He falls right into skinhead naturally. Truth is, he’s ugly as fuck, and hair or no, he’s ugly as fuck on the inside, and the outside matches.

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:34:55am

Ben Shapiro has to do what with masculinity?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:35:57am

re: #45 Nyet

Ben Shapiro has to do what with masculinity?

Use a discussion of arbitrarily adopted social norms and symbols of masculinity to gain attention.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:37:14am

re: #45 Nyet

Ben Shapiro has to do what with masculinity?

That little wimp wouldn’t last 30 minutes in a deer hunt. He’d whine about it being too cold and he’d whine about no toilet in the forest…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:37:55am
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:38:35am

re: #45 Nyet

Ben Shapiro has to do what with masculinity?

His idea of fishing is going to the nearest Long John Silvers.

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Citizen K  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:41:50am

YOu know what might screw more guys up than anything?

The pressure of having to live up to screwed up ideals of masculinity, often interwoven with Christian dominionist bullshit, and feeling like society brands you a failure out of the womb if you can’t live up to it.

Maybe, just maybe, that fucks people up more than a pop star deciding to wear a dress. Just fucking saying.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:45:02am

re: #50 Citizen K

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YOu know what might screw more guys up than anything?

The pressure of having to live up to screwed up ideals of masculinity, often interwoven with Christian dominionist bullshit, and feeling like society brands you a failure out of the womb if you can’t live up to it.

Maybe, just maybe, that fucks people up more than a pop star deciding to wear a dress. Just fucking saying.

You have no idea how right you are. I was subjected to all of this growing up - publicly berated if I cried in public, sharply corrected in matters of male decorum, looked down upon by everyone in school because I was too thin and lacked defined muscles that were the epitome of the 90’s-era “GI Joe” male. I still struggle with occasional bouts of extreme insecurity because of it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:45:31am

re: #43 Dr Lizardo

Trump could actually rock this look - and it’d be quite an improvement, IMHO.

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Lex Luthor lives.

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ericblair  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:46:36am

This is good, because she’s a fucking nutbag goldbug kook. I guess having her at the Fed might bugger the financial economy, so out she goes.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:46:47am

re: #14 A Mom Anon

Speaking of grocery shopping, lol. I’m hearing that big store chains are going back to limiting purchases per customer of paper products, detergents and liquid soaps, etc. Shortages of these items are expected to continue through winter. I’ve only seen Lysol spray once since April, occasionally I’ll see disinfecting wipes, and for the first time since this all started there were bottles of rubbing alcohol at the store last week. Don’t know what it’s been like for all of you, wherever you are, but I thought I’d pass it along as winter gets closer.

Since this started we haven’t had anything like disinfectant wipes here. I haven’t seen a bottle of Lysol since May. I can get concentrated bleach and 99% isopropyl alcohol, but those come from a supply company for water and sewage systems.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:48:56am

re: #23 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They want to see the people they hate suffering.

How is this any different than the last fifty years of the GOP, except without the dog whistles?

The next person who comes along who is at least as bombastic as Trump and just as racist should be able to do fine with the GOP.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:50:00am

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I have recently started to see a small supply of disinfectant wipes on store shelves, but you usually have to go early in the morning to get your mitts on them.

Thankfully, TP and hand sanitizer are no longer an issue. I’ve also reasonably good success finding spray disinfectant.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:50:03am

re: #50 Citizen K

YOu know what might screw more guys up than anything?

The pressure of having to live up to screwed up ideals of masculinity, often interwoven with Christian dominionist bullshit, and feeling like society brands you a failure out of the womb if you can’t live up to it.

Maybe, just maybe, that fucks people up more than a pop star deciding to wear a dress. Just fucking saying.

Yes…but what if screwing guys up is the point?

You need them nice and traumatized so they’re convinced they have to go die in a trench or kill another guy with truncheon to be a viable participant in society…or, masochistically accept day after day of physical injury and stress at a dangerous job…or to not acknowledge their own, or each others’, suffering because suffering is unproductive. Even the very rich have to train their boys to not empathize with the lower orders.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:50:04am

re: #50 Citizen K

“The East knows this.” ????

Traditional Japanese garb:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:50:46am

re: #55 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

How is this any different than the last fifty years of the GOP, except without the dog whistles?

The next person who comes along who is at least as bombastic as Trump and just as racist should be able to do fine with the GOP.

Agreed. Someone who is a smarter, more competent, yet just as racist and narcissistic version of Trump that gains power would scare the shit out of me.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:52:21am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:53:50am
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jamesfirecat  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:53:59am

re: #52 Eclectic Cyborg

Lex Luthor lives.

Guys… cbr.com it all makes sense now!

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Interesting Times  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:54:59am

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

Agreed. Someone who is a smarter, more competent, yet just as racist and narcissistic version of Trump would scare the shit out of me.

Shot:

Chaser:

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:56:02am

re: #51 thedopefishlives

I mean, hell, most Westerners would consider samurai pretty “manly” badasses….yet a good many samurai cultivated refinement through ikebana, kōdō, and chadō (flower arranging, the appreciation of incense and tea ceremony, respectively).

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:56:15am

Why the fuck not?

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jamesfirecat  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:57:38am

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

Agreed. Someone who is a smarter, more competent, yet just as racist and narcissistic version of Trump that gains power would scare the shit out of me.

I think at this point Trump’s own incompetence and lack of intelligence and guile is part of his appeal, they want someone who is mediocre/below par in all things and yet amazing successful because it proves to them that they don’t actually have to be smart or clever or work hard to get ahead, just mean, loud an arrogant.

They don’t want to vote for O’Brien the soft spoken brilliant incorruptible fascist who is utterly devoted to the cause, they want to vote for someone as petty and venal and stupid as they are.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:00:50pm
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Romantic Heretic  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:02:12pm

re: #21 🌹UOJB!

Mr. Last will be subjected to an auto da fe tomorrow.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:04:30pm

re: #66 jamesfirecat

Right, but I still think a charismatic enough person can brand himself and act enough like an everyman in his public appearances while still working very intelligently behind the scenes to achieve whatever agenda may be at hand.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:05:03pm

re: #68 Romantic Heretic

Mr. Last will be subjected to an auto da fe tomorrow.

Auto de fe? It’s what you oughtn’t do but you do anyways. /I can’t help myself…. as a child of Mel Brooks’ movies.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:05:18pm

re: #65 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Why the fuck not?

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To be clear: There IS no active outbreak of this virus.

Hopefully it stays that way for a long ass time.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:05:32pm

re: #24 lawhawk

Guys in dresses…

Like this?

Image: 64b469749ac7345d906dd74258294f11.jpg

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Teukka  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:05:46pm

re: #65 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Why the fuck not?

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I kinda wondered when 2020 would break out the VHF’s (Viral Hemmoragic Fevers)… Let history note it was on the 16th of November 2020…

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:07:09pm

re: #66 jamesfirecat

Yeah, the appeal is that Trump is a mediocrity and yet has power and uses that power in the selfish, vulgar ways…because that’s what they want to do.

He’s not even truly charismatic, it’s more like he’s a pusher or a tout. He pulls in people interested in the prurient things he’s suggesting he can provide.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:07:33pm

Angstgrift.

That’s the best term I can come up with, to describe what Candace Owens is doing, in what Trump specializes, etc.

It’s not good English but I think it works in German.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:09:17pm

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

Here we go again. This fucked up version of masculinity that is all about football, guns, hunting and Jesus. That somehow you’re not a real man if you don’t have a big ass pickup truck with a toolbox in it and you don’t go fishing on weekends.

Like the worst fucking thing in the world is a straight man who is not afraid to be emotionally vulnerable and maybe likes musicals and wears pink t-shirts and paints landscapes as a hobby.

You know who always feels the need to constantly bitch about what real masculinity is?

MEN WHO ARE NOT SECURE IN THEIR MASCULINITY.

Churchill painted landscapes….

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William Lewis  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:10:25pm

re: #64 Dr Lizardo

I mean, hell, most Westerners would consider samurai pretty “manly” badasses….yet a good many samurai cultivated refinement through ikebana, kōdō, and chadō (flower arranging, the appreciation of incense and tea ceremony, respectively).

Don’t forget some truly great and beautiful poetry; especially in the case of the samurai’s death poem.

The best warrior always has known the liberal as well as martial arts.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:10:28pm

You were expecting a pivot at this point?

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:10:28pm

Super Cute Photos Capture the Pure Joy of Tiny Harvest Mice Playing in Tulips, by Emma Taggart, My Modern Met. Adorable photos, including pollen!

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:15:04pm

re: #77 William Lewis

Don’t forget some truly great and beautiful poetry; especially in the case of the samurai’s death poem.

The best warrior always has known the liberal as well as martial arts.

Truthfully, there’s an element of value in warriors’ indulgence of artistic pursuits. Killing is a brutal business; modern armies understand this, and train their soldiers to break down their human impulses to enable them to kill efficiently. But it still takes a toll on a man, as PTSD and the thousand-yard stare can testify. Cultivating an artistic talent or hobby gives one’s mind a place to go when the stress of killing other human beings threatens to take its toll.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:16:04pm
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Romantic Heretic  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:16:48pm

re: #38 dangerman

Even at the expense of their own personal financial future and now we’re seeing their life too

I don’t care if I have to live in shit up to my neck. As long as those people drown in it!

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wrenchwench  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:17:22pm
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:17:58pm

re: #77 William Lewis

Don’t forget some truly great and beautiful poetry; especially in the case of the samurai’s death poem.

The best warrior always has known the liberal as well as martial arts.

I quite agree.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:19:00pm

Gonna call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards and stay healthy.

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Teukka  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:19:01pm

If 2020 was a joke:
A real 16 ton weight above you, hanging precariously on a thin thread.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:19:12pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Right, but I still think a charismatic enough person can brand himself and act enough like an everyman in his public appearances while still working very intelligently behind the scenes to achieve whatever agenda may be at hand.

The thing is that while we have to be careful (see Trump getting more votes than the first time he ran), we shouldn’t allow ourselves to be frightened of the idea of the “Perfect Fascist” without any evidence that there actually can be a person who can somehow behave like a boorish boob in public to such a perfect degree that his boobery is embraced by the “common clay” while at the still time being able to behave like a master planning.

In the wake of WW2 we assumed the Nazis were this well oiled machine of conquest and warfare, but as we dug deeper it turned out they were pretty much all just a bunch of crazy idiots.

Fascism is an ideology about making the weak look strong via brutality, so it tends to attract the weak and pathetic.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:19:47pm
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Romantic Heretic  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:20:21pm

re: #52 Eclectic Cyborg

Lex Luthor lives.

Except Lex Luthor is smart, and generally succeeds at what he sets out to do.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:20:38pm

re: #76 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Churchill painted landscapes….

Yeah, but the entire point of modern masculinity is that men cannot achieve it through self-examination or praxis, feel shame that they are not performing masculinity correctly, and seek out guides to hire or products to purchase to fill the hole. Much like “assimilation” functions to center to colonizer’s understanding of authentic cultural expression of the colonized…the former is now the referee calling whether the latter deserves citizenship and rights…the hegemons of masculinity are less interested in good faith definition of manliness than they are establishing themselves as the source of legitimacy even though their evaluations are in bad faith.

The goalposts move deliberately such that men who *could* be considered paragons of masculinity lose their status because they show vulnerability or refuse to acknowledge the validity of other’s judgement. But at the same time, emotionally incontinent blancmanges and beetle-eyed sociopaths with money and power that are willing to buy in to MLM-scheme are considered to stand at the apex of manliness.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:22:05pm

re: #89 Romantic Heretic

Except Lex Luthor is smart, and generally succeeds at what he sets out to do.

Also Lex genuinely owns the tallest building in Metropolis.

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coin operated  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:23:31pm

re: #14 A Mom Anon

Speaking of grocery shopping, lol. I’m hearing that big store chains are going back to limiting purchases per customer of paper products, detergents and liquid soaps, etc. Shortages of these items are expected to continue through winter. I’ve only seen Lysol spray once since April, occasionally I’ll see disinfecting wipes, and for the first time since this all started there were bottles of rubbing alcohol at the store last week. Don’t know what it’s been like for all of you, wherever you are, but I thought I’d pass it along as winter gets closer.

In small-town Oregon, where lockdowns are set to start this week, the shelves were empty on Friday. I asked my wife to pick up some TP to ship to my daughter. The Henderson Costco is already limiting purchases for paper products and the line was around the entire store. Took her 20 minutes before she got her hands on a case of toilet paper.

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Teukka  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:23:47pm

re: #52 Eclectic Cyborg

Lex Luthor lives.

re: #89 Romantic Heretic

Except Lex Luthor is smart, and generally succeeds at what he sets out to do.

re: #91 jamesfirecat

Also Lex genuinely owns the tallest building in Metropolis.

[idea type=half-baked]Major country-wide protests, demanding better supervillains?[/idea]

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:24:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:25:21pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:27:22pm

re: #80 thedopefishlives

Truthfully, there’s an element of value in warriors’ indulgence of artistic pursuits. Killing is a brutal business; modern armies understand this, and train their soldiers to break down their human impulses to enable them to kill efficiently. But it still takes a toll on a man, as PTSD and the thousand-yard stare can testify. Cultivating an artistic talent or hobby gives one’s mind a place to go when the stress of killing other human beings threatens to take its toll.

On the other hand, the scholar-warrior imagery of the past was a form of social distance, since at any given moment warrior-castes would be more likely to be using violence again the inferior merchant and peasant castes, and intellectual cultivation was part of establishing a sense of superiority and license.

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William Lewis  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:27:35pm

re: #87 jamesfirecat

Fascism is an ideology about making the weak look strong via brutality, so it tends to attract the weak and pathetic.

While this is true as a baseline, there are always still going to be the occasional one like Reinhardt Heydrich who is dangerously competent. Despite the horrifically high cost, his assassination was a good thing.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:28:19pm

I’m listening to Joe Biden speak and he’s so soothing I just want to take a nap.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:30:07pm

Biden presser going on. A journalist asked “What can happen if Trump continues to refuse to work with your transition?”

Joe: People will die.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:32:43pm

re: #82 Romantic Heretic

I don’t care if I have to live in shit up to my neck. As long as those people drown in it!

Or the woman interviewed after Hurricane Matthew hit Mexico Beach, Fla. “I don’t understand. He’s not hurting the people he’s supposed to hurt.”

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wrenchwench  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:32:53pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

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Veterans wear sneakers.

Mr. w’s favorite story to tell on Veterans’ Day is about the time a fellow college student asked to borrow his ‘veteran’s uniform’ for Halloween. He said, ‘I’m using it that day,’ indicating his jeans and t-shirt. The story usually ends with a rare use of the f word: ‘Fucking civilians.’

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:35:09pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

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Yeah, the entire modern “Traditionalist” movement that denigrates equal women’s rights and bemoans “feminization” of males comes straight out of Germany during the rise of the Nazi party. If you look at their propaganda, you will see a LOT of imagery holding male supremacy with subservient women whose primary role is to provide a supply of pure Aryan babies to the Reich.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:36:39pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

Neither of them have any idea what a veteran expects.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:37:10pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

I would prefer to tie my own bootlaces, thanks.

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ericblair  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:37:36pm

re: #96 The Ghost of a Flea

On the other hand, the scholar-warrior imagery of the past was a form of social distance, since at any given moment warrior-castes would be more likely to be using violence again the inferior merchant and peasant castes, and intellectual cultivation was part of establishing a sense of superiority and license.

“We can’t be monsters! We go to the opera!”

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jamesfirecat  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:37:44pm

re: #97 William Lewis

While this is true as a baseline, there are always still going to be the occasional one like Reinhardt Heydrich who is dangerously competent. Despite the horrifically high cost, his assassination was a good thing.

The good news on that front is that I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the ones who are dangerously competent end up getting taken out/sidelined by their own side once the leader realizes they could possibly represent a threat to them because of how well they’re doing their job.

See how Putin has hollowed out Russia so there is no one to possibly contest him for power, but in doing so has also all but insured some manner of civil-war light is going to break out once he’s no longer in charge, because any obvious successor would be an equally obvious threat to him…

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:38:50pm

re: #97 William Lewis

While this is true as a baseline, there are always still going to be the occasional one like Reinhardt Heydrich who is dangerously competent. Despite the horrifically high cost, his assassination was a good thing.

I think someone like Heydrich (or Stephen Miller) is unlikely to be able to be the True Voice of the Pig-People the way Hitler was (or the way Trump is).

So every Hitler will have his Heydrichs, but the worst possible case of someone who is both Heydrich and Hitler in one seems not to happen.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:39:11pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

My mother also ties her own bootlaces (and she wears army boots, phhht).

So does my sister.

Turns out veterans don’t need worshipful conservatives to help us dress.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:39:50pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

They seem to be confused about who’s openly claiming to be fascist, and who opposes them.

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wrenchwench  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:44:16pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:48:42pm

In another troubled democracy of this hemisphere:

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Kilroy was here  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:51:08pm

Wisconsin says recount would cost Trump campaign $7.9 million

The Wisconsin Elections Commission said the cost of running a statewide recount for the presidential election will be $7.9 million — a fee that Trump’s campaign would be required to pay upfront if he wishes to request a recount in the state.

Yah that isn’t going to happen…

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:52:07pm
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:53:26pm

re: #98 The Pie Overlord!

I’m listening to Joe Biden speak and he’s so soothing I just want to take a nap.

It’s like listening to Perry Como. So soothing…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:06:13pm

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:23:04pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:23:20pm
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cat-tikvah  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:23:27pm

re: #53 ericblair

I’ll have to find out where Pat Toomey (Spineless, PA) stands - he’s on the Finance Committee, initially opposed then voted her out of committee.

The man straddles a fence like no one’s business.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:25:37pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

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I’m wondering if this is what happens in an immunocompromised person or similar circumstances - if the body is able to attack the virus, but not quickly enough, the virus can out-mutate the body’s defenses until the body exhausts itself.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:25:53pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

Stinging Report On Pandemics Makes Louis Pasteur Look Like A Prophet (NPR, January 13, 2016)

“Messieurs, c’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.”

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:25:55pm

Is Soros taking applications yet for Jackboot thugs to guard the FEMA camps?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:29:58pm

re: #76 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Churchill painted landscapes….

In 1973 Rosey Grier came out with a book called Needlepoint for Men. One online article says: “His passion and enjoyment of crochet, needlepoint and knitting became a trademark signature in the early days of breaking traditional barriers between the sexes.”

crochetconcupiscence.com

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:31:12pm
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BeachDem  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:36:12pm

re: #118 cat-tikvah

I’ll have to find out where Pat Toomey (Spineless, PA) stands - he’s on the Finance Committee, initially opposed then voted her out of committee.

The man straddles a fence like no one’s business.

Way back in July, Romney and Collins said they would vote against her, but we all know how much their words mean.

Ms. Shelton’s nomination proved controversial even among GOP members of the Senate — two of whom, Mitt Romney (Utah) and Susan Collins (Maine), have already declared they will not vote for her. Yet rather than let Ms. Shelton’s nomination quietly lapse in the lame-duck session, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has indicated that he plans to bring it to the floor this week, suggesting there are at least 50 GOP votes to confirm

washingtonpost.com

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:36:27pm

Schumer is preparing to fight back if Republicans hold the Senate. Good.

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nines09  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:42:42pm

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Teddy's Person ✌  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:46:21pm

re: #126 nines09

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:48:20pm

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

Schumer is preparing to fight back if Republicans hold the Senate. Good.

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That’s cool. Now, Liat, on the other hand, I’m worried about.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:50:46pm

So Fox News seems to be the only outlet taking the Dominion Software thing seriously, even Newsmax is not running with it.

Claims of 2.7 million stolen votes…

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Cheechako  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:50:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:51:51pm

Some people replying to this seem to believe it’s a genuine Twitter warning label.

I’m not gonna tell ‘em.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:53:55pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:54:10pm

re: #130 Cheechako

Hazards of flying in Alaska:

Jetliner hits bear on runway in Southeast Alaska

When the copilot yells, ‘Bear left!’ on the runway, it doesn’t usually go well.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:54:41pm

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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He/she speaks so well.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:55:48pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:56:17pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Poor bear!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:57:11pm
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nines09  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:00:31pm

How in the world does this creep still have a Twitter account?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:01:49pm

Thread, seven tweets, of why we really can’t override our dictatorial billionaire governor here.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:01:59pm

re: #119 thedopefishlives

I’m wondering if this is what happens in an immunocompromised person or similar circumstances - if the body is able to attack the virus, but not quickly enough, the virus can out-mutate the body’s defenses until the body exhausts itself.

This is my theory as well. I’m hoping these kinds of constant mutation events are rare.

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Cheechako  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:02:01pm

re: #138 nines09

How in the world does this creep still have a Twitter account?

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$$$$$’s

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:03:30pm

re: #141 Cheechako

$$$$$’s

You left out a $

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:03:48pm

re: #138 nines09

How in the world does this creep still have a Twitter account?

The thing is, as mentioned earlier, he could justifiably - and well with the bounds of decorum and reason - point out that the election results are not final until the EC convenes, and that he is presenting legal challenges that might alter the outcome as predicted by major news agencies.

But instead he is shouting and stamping his feet like a child.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:06:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:07:39pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:07:53pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:08:18pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

Great. More guys with very punchable faces. Does the GOP roll these off an assembly line or something?

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nines09  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:10:23pm

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My 2 cents is @jack is so bubble wrapped and out of touch with reality (Like why don’t you fly into Australia and then charter a schooner to take you to Bali?) out of touch.
Oh, and clicks = bucks and bucks make the world bend to you.
I envision it as the entire worlds library is right there in your phone, but all you want to know is how many children the Clinton family ate.
@jack gets paid.
Who cares. Not @jack

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:11:04pm

re: #147 Eclectic Cyborg

Great. More guys with very punchable faces. Does the GOP roll these off an assembly line or something?

Yep. Walk into any upscale evangelical church in the Midwest.

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:11:59pm

re: #147 Eclectic Cyborg

Great. More guys with very punchable faces. Does the GOP roll these off an assembly line or something?

Grown in vats in the Liberty U ag department, specializing in cow-sheep crossbreeds for that perfect combination of being easy to lead + bovine stupidity.

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A Cranky One  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:15:19pm

re: #140 Eclectic Cyborg

This is my theory as well. I’m hoping these kinds of constant mutation events are rare.

Probably takes a particularly radioactive personality.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:16:04pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

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He’s a dropout of Patrick Henry University. How he got into Congress is just wow.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:16:42pm

re: #147 Eclectic Cyborg

Great. More guys with very punchable faces. Does the GOP roll these off an assembly line or something?

Next factory over from the blonde Fox Newslady factory.

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gocart mozart  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:18:54pm

Unleash the cracken Gorka’s ass.

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John Hughes  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:19:40pm

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Since this started we haven’t had anything like disinfectant wipes here. I haven’t seen a bottle of Lysol since May. I can get concentrated bleach and 99% isopropyl alcohol, but those come from a supply company for water and sewage systems.

The only thing I can’t get is 50cl cans of cheap German beer. Reduced to buying the 25cl cans.

Why are your supply chains so fucked up?

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:20:30pm

Madison Cawthorn.

Nazi sympathizer who made a pilgrimage to visit Hitler’s Eagle’s Nest.

timesofisrael.com

This Jew has 3 words to that fucking punk Nazi

GO FUCK YOURSELF!

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:20:59pm

re: #154 gocart mozart

Unleash the cracken Gorka’s ass.

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That’s from 18 months ago, for heaven sakes! What an idiot he is. A Pompous Idiot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:21:22pm

re: #155 John Hughes

The only thing I can’t get is 50cl cans of cheap German beer. Reduced to buying the 25cl cans.

Why are your supply chains so fucked up?

I remember those, Neptun Pils, used to cost around 39 cents for a half-liter can. We used to set it out as slug bait in our garden.

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:22:00pm

re: #155 John Hughes

The only thing I can’t get is 50cl cans of cheap German beer. Reduced to buying the 25cl cans.

Why are your supply chains so fucked up?

Idiots. Crowds of them.

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:23:11pm

The cats here don’t seem to want to go outside to play in the sunshine. Hmm. Wonder why?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:28:43pm

re: #154 gocart mozart

Unleash the cracken Gorka’s ass.

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Every time I watch Gorka I’m just dumbfounded that any human being goes for his weird crypto-Nazi grift. It must be his sexual magnetism. [cough]

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:32:14pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

Every time I watch Gorka I’m just dumbfounded that any human being goes for his weird crypto-Nazi grift. It must be his sexual magnetism. [cough]

He looks like he tells James Bond his plans when he’s not cosplaying as the head elf from Rudolph.

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nines09  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:32:53pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

It’s his Bus Sized Head. It has it’s own gravity. And seasons. Mesmerizing. The only hats he can wear have to be custom fitted by outfits who make custom grill covers.

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sagehen  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:33:14pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

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his high school classmates published a letter, signed by 150 of them, about how vile he is.

bpr.org

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:33:40pm

(6:50, caution for coarse language and adult subjects)

Sarah Silverman’s Dad Taught Her The Most Tasteless Jokes | Netflix Is A Joke

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:36:34pm

re: #155 John Hughes

The only thing I can’t get is 50cl cans of cheap German beer. Reduced to buying the 25cl cans.

Why are your supply chains so fucked up?

Distributor has a limited supply of something such as disinfectant wipes. Profit is the motive for the distributor.

Thus the distributor can sell the whole supply to a single chain such as Wal*Mart, or lots of tiny sales to small markets across a 68,000 square mile area (and have to distribute the sales to all that).

Profit margins necessitate leaving behind those areas with low populations.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:37:13pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:38:01pm

Sorry if this has been posted before, but this is a really good thread by Matthew Sheffield on the workings of conservative media; he was part of the move from radio and tv to the internet and is responsible for its growth in some ways. Take aways: liberals think the Sean Hannity’s of the world are just in it for the bucks, but we “have no idea how radical the right wing elite really are.” I think we do, but it’s refreshing to have another mea culpa (I was also listening to Al Franken’s discussion with Lincoln Project co-founder Stuart Stevens today), even if it’s likely far too late to mean anything.

ETA: another great point he makes was that when trying to argue to colleagues that the GOP needed to include secularists, he was shunned; he finally realized that the current Republican party is entirely “identity politics” and in no way focused on governing.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:39:38pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:40:37pm

re: #167 jaunte

Jesus fucking Christ.

Yet again, they are doing all the stuff they accuse the other side of doing.

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:42:23pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

Jesus fucking Christ.

Yet again, they are doing all the stuff they accuse the other side of doing.

Assuming the GOP fails in stealing this election, the “lesson learned” the GOP is going to have from this is to ensure no state-level GOP election officials have any integrity at all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:44:13pm

re: #171 EPR-radar

Assuming the GOP fails in stealing this election, the “lesson learned” the GOP is going to have from this is to ensure no state-level GOP election officials have any integrity at all.

They will make sure that our our electoral system is so contentious that every future national election will be an endless goat rodeo

173
Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:44:38pm

re: #171 EPR-radar

Assuming the GOP fails in stealing this election, the “lesson learned” the GOP is going to have from this is to ensure no state-level GOP election officials have any integrity at all.

in 2022, Texas has it’s statewide elections. I’m thinking Georgia does, too. We’ll just have to make sure to replace the Republicans.

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BeachDem  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:49:04pm

re: #169 jaunte

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And this asshole:

The normally mild-mannered Raffensperger saved his harshest language for U.S. Rep. Doug Collins (R-Ga.), who is leading the president’s effort to prove fraud in Georgia and whom Raffensperger called a “liar” and a “charlatan.”

Collins has questioned Raffensperger’s handling of the vote and accused him of capitulating to Democrats by not backing allegations of voter fraud more strongly.

Glad we’ll (hopefully) never have to see Collins’ smarmy face or hear his annoying voice ever again.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:49:23pm

re: #173 Belafon

in 2022, Texas has it’s statewide elections. I’m thinking Georgia does, too. We’ll just have to make sure to replace the Republicans.

Kemp is up. Abrams is gonna run for that again. The winner of Loeffler-Warnock too since that’s a special election. Georgia definitely is going to be a key place in the midterms.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:49:35pm

How about no?

How about “we can’t, because Donald Trump is not a fucking comic book villain that can be banished to another dimension, because he reflects a pre-existing and still-emerging cultural movement”?

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sagehen  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:50:33pm

Let’s talk about $50,000 in student debt forgiveness….

My father graduated college in 1951. My mother graduated college in 1952. The both of them, combined got their undergrad degrees for a grand total of $0 tuition.

And it wasn’t just them, it was MILLIONS of people every year in their generation and for the next 20 years got free college. Every smart white person in the whole country could go to college at taxpayer expense. And the house they bought in 1962 with a below-prime FHA mortgage, and they didn’t need any credit history to qualify, in a neighborhood with excellent well-funded public schools so they didn’t have to pay tuition to educate their kids… red-lined neighborhood of course.

But after the Civil Rights Act and a series of court decisions said it can’t just be for white people, it has to be for everyone, that’s when white voters had their sudden epiphany that the government shouldn’t be doing things for people anymore.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:50:37pm

re: #174 BeachDem

And this asshole:

The normally mild-mannered Raffensperger saved his harshest language for U.S. Rep. Doug Collins (R-Ga.), who is leading the president’s effort to prove fraud in Georgia and whom Raffensperger called a “liar” and a “charlatan.”

Collins has questioned Raffensperger’s handling of the vote and accused him of capitulating to Democrats by not backing allegations of voter fraud more strongly.

Glad we’ll (hopefully) never have to see Collins’ smarmy face or hear his annoying voice ever again.

Collins did nothing but kiss Trump’s ass and he’s still not gonna get a Senate seat or federal appointment. I think it’s his district that elected the Qnut.

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:51:27pm

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will make sure that our our electoral system is so contentious that every future national election will be an endless goat rodeo

Here’s something that occurred to me yesterday. Back in the Watergate era, Senate Republicans could have shut down the whole impeachment thing by promising in public to vote party-line to support Nixon. They had the numbers to do that, even in the minority.

But had they done that, there would have been a firestorm of bad press for Republicans, with damn near every news outfit in the country criticizing Republicans harshly for putting party above country. Nonstop, 24/7, wall to wall bad press for Republicans.

But this is exactly what Republicans actually did in the impeachment of Trump. No real bad press for Republicans came of that.

IMO this is a perfect example of how thoroughly the long term GOP campaign of ‘working the refs’ combined with ownership interests of big medic conglomerates has neutered political reporting in the US.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:55:09pm

re: #176 The Ghost of a Flea

I am really getting sick of all these reconciliation takes.

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:58:12pm

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

I am really getting sick of all these reconciliation takes.

What was that quote from the Lord of the Rings? “When you hang from a gibbet for the sport of your own crows… we shall have peace!”

But I’m civilized — I want the ideas of conservatism to be exposed and trashed this badly, not the people, assuming there are any non-criminal conservatives left.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:58:39pm

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

I am really getting sick of all these reconciliation takes.

Then there are these “AOC is the new McCarthy” types

AOC & Co.’s loathsome plan to keep lists of pro-Trumpies

They literally talk about the “lists” they are making of people who have committed the grievous evil of working for the ­administration they hated, with the stated goal of ensuring such people don’t find employment afterward.

As if the party of Personal Responsibility was having trouble owning up to its actions.

And when those actions include separating families and keeping children in cages, working to rescind environmental, health and safety protections, to deny health care to Americans who had only just gained it, to rescind women’s, minority and LGBT rights, to shield police departments from any consequences arising from abuse of force and shielding criminals and traitors in their own party, then there need to be consequences

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BeachDem  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:59:28pm

re: #178 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Collins did nothing but kiss Trump’s ass and he’s still not gonna get a Senate seat or federal appointment. I think it’s his district that elected the Qnut.

Nope, it’s some gun-nut named Andrew Clyde who now has Collins’ seat.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:00:56pm

re: #183 BeachDem

Nope, it’s some gun-nut named Andrew Clyde who now has Collins’ seat.

Ahhhh my mistake. My uncle has Cawthorn sigh. Had a great conversation with him last June. He was really impressed with the now Veep elect.

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BeachDem  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:04:35pm

re: #184 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ahhhh my mistake. My uncle has Cawthorn sigh. Had a great conversation with him last June. He was really impressed with the now Veep elect.

It’s hard to keep track of the weirdos and freaks. Cawthorn is really, really creepy. I truly hope he’s a one and done.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:06:16pm

re: #130 Cheechako

Hazards of flying in Alaska:

Jetliner hits bear on runway in Southeast Alaska

OMG from the link…i am ded…(my bold)…

In the past, planes have been reported hitting deer, geese, caribou and other animals in Alaska, but Dapcevich said this is the first time he’s heard of a bear being struck by a plane. In 1987, an Alaska Airlines jet was delayed while it was inspected for damage in Yakutat after a bald eagle dropped a salmon from its talons in midair and the fish hit a cockpit window shortly after takeoff from the Juneau airport. ”They found a greasy spot with some scales, but no damage,” the Juneau airport manager said at the time.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:06:55pm

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

We’ve been conciliatory in the past and it got us shit on. No. We “forgave” the Bush Administration’s war crimes and lying and stealing. And it accomplished not a damned thing. I love how it’s always democrats/lefties/liberals that have to do the reaching out and civility and respecting. While these assholes hurt and threaten and break shit. No. They’re the ones who need to have the fucking epiphany. They’re also the ones who lost their humanity, it’s not my damned job to help them grow the fuck up and get their shit together. I’ve spent 25 years or more of my life trying to convince my crappy wingnut family I’m not somehow evil, BY BEING A DECENT PERSON, and it does not work. They have been fed too much shit about how awful we are to change and I don’t have enough time left on this fucking planet to spend ANY more of it proving jack shit to right wing assholes who would take pleasure in running me over with their car if they could.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:12:08pm

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Then there are these “AOC is the new McCarthy” types

AOC & Co.’s loathsome plan to keep lists of pro-Trumpies

They literally talk about the “lists” they are making of people who have committed the grievous evil of working for the ­administration they hated, with the stated goal of ensuring such people don’t find employment afterward.

As if the party of Personal Responsibility was having trouble owning up to its actions.

And when those actions include separating families and keeping children in cages, working to rescind environmental, health and safety protections, to deny health care to Americans who had only just gained it, to rescind women’s, minority and LGBT rights, to shield police departments from any consequences arising from abuse of force and shielding criminals and traitors in their own party, then there need to be consequences

They should just be thankful that Inglorious Basterds is fiction.

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:13:19pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

OMG from the link…i am ded…(my bold)…

Oh, I had a friend, who just passed away to my great sorrow, who had a vulture lift off the road in front of her carrying a VERY dead possum. It couldn’t fly with it, so dropped it on her window and hood. She said it was one of the worst jobs she ever had to do, was to clean that off fast before it damaged her car!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:16:50pm

re: #189 retired cynic

Oh, I had a friend, who just passed away to my great sorrow, who had a vulture lift off the road in front of her carrying a VERY dead possum. It couldn’t fly with it, so dropped it on her window and hood. She said it was one of the worst jobs she ever had to do, was to clean that off fast before it damaged her car!

Was she sure the possum was dead? Perhaps it was pining for the fjords.

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:19:57pm

re: #190 I Would Prefer Not To

I think it was past pining for anything, as she described it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:26:28pm

This is really good.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:29:34pm

re: #126 nines09

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:44:28pm

I’m not gonna get all conspiracy theory about it, but something about the way these COVID vaccines are being hyped has me on edge. I don’t really trust this operation, to be honest, and it makes me uncomfortable that they’re supposedly using new techniques to rush them out much quicker than normal.

Maybe my nerves are just frayed after four years of this crap, but also maybe they’re telling me something I should listen to.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:46:12pm
196
🌹UOJB!  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:47:18pm

Yikes!

It got to 88 yesterday and 91 today in my part of Los Angeles!

This is SUPPOSED to be the cold rainy season…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:47:38pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

Trust me I get it.

Of course the health care workers will get the vaccine first, so we’ll see how that goes before it’s our turn.

Also important to remember that WAY more money and resources were being poured into Covid research in a short period of time than just about any disease in the history of man. So such quick progress, while unusual, should not necessarily be unexpected considering how much focus is being thrown at this right now.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:49:44pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

I’m not gonna get all conspiracy theory about it, but something about the way these COVID vaccines are being hyped has me on edge. I don’t really trust this operation, to be honest, and it makes me uncomfortable that they’re supposedly using new techniques to rush them out much quicker than normal.

Maybe my nerves are just frayed after four years of this crap, but also maybe they’re telling me something I should listen to.

They’re cut back on typical development but shortening the studies on animals. They also started with SARS/MERS coronavirus which they’d done work on and stopped once it wasn’t really on the radar any longer.

The Tuesday MIT classes had talked about this.

Just saying.

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garzooma  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:51:39pm

Immigrants get the job done:

How the biotech investor behind Moderna is using the ‘immigrant mindset’ to take on COVID-19

[…]
Afeyan, an Armenian entrepreneur who was born in Lebanon and left the country with his family during its civil war, credits his background as an immigrant in his success and encourages others to realize the inherent value in the immigrant experience.

“I view innovation as just intellectual immigration,” he says. “When you leave the comforts of what you know, expose yourself to criticism, go to something that people don’t believe is possible, persist, persist, persist, until you make it habitable so that people come and tell you how obvious it was years later. That is what an immigrant does.

“I would invite people to think of the immigrant mindset when they are doing these kinds of innovation, particularly cutting-edge innovation, and recognize that it is a strength that the kind of resilience, the adaptivity, all the things that we think are rarefied skills in an entrepreneur, that’s what every immigrant has to go through.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:52:00pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:52:22pm

re: #197 Eclectic Cyborg

Trust me I get it.

Of course the health care workers will get the vaccine first, so we’ll see how that goes before it’s our turn.

Also important to remember that WAY more money and resources were being poured into Covid research in a short period of time than just about any disease in the history of man. So such quick progress, while unusual, should not necessarily be unexpected considering how much focus is being thrown at this right now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:53:14pm

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The people busting their butts on the vaccine and participating in the trials are the real MVPs.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:53:52pm

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

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All the wingnuts in that thread HURR DURR IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN THAT ONE RACE, THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN ALL THE RACES

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:55:46pm

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

This is a whole nesting doll of wingnuts making the same claim and citing each other.

The actual issue is a discrepancy in a single commissioner seat, which has been referred to the state Secretary of State for investigation, not “thrown out.”

Long thread about this

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:56:01pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:56:55pm

re: #205 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Something stinks here.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:57:54pm

re: #176 The Ghost of a Flea

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sagehen  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:59:57pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

I’m not gonna get all conspiracy theory about it, but something about the way these COVID vaccines are being hyped has me on edge. I don’t really trust this operation, to be honest, and it makes me uncomfortable that they’re supposedly using new techniques to rush them out much quicker than normal.

Maybe my nerves are just frayed after four years of this crap, but also maybe they’re telling me something I should listen to.

The “is it effective tests” are followed by the “is it safe tests”. Usually, it takes 6 months before researchers can be confident it’s safe… but there’ll be a lot of pressure to cut that short.

Also, like Thalidomide, the “is it safe for pregnant women and their fetuses” needs even longer to be sure, and I doubt we’ll give it long enough to really know.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:00:24pm

And the result Donald Trump is lying about in Clark County, NV?

One county commission seat. Not Trump’s loss.

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Jay C  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:03:00pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

I’m not gonna get all conspiracy theory about it, but something about the way these COVID vaccines are being hyped has me on edge. I don’t really trust this operation, to be honest, and it makes me uncomfortable that they’re supposedly using new techniques to rush them out much quicker than normal.

Maybe my nerves are just frayed after four years of this crap, but also maybe they’re telling me something I should listen to.

I can perfectly understand the “nerves” part: but from everything I have read about pandemic-virus research since the SARS-2-CoV was identified last year (and recall, it was just in Nov. of 2019: eons ago as it might seem) indicated that even with the massive resources of modern medical science working on a vaccine, it was likely to take anywhere from 14 to 18 months to actually get a safe and effective formula into production: and that given the scale of vaccination that would be required (100s of millions, if not billions of doses), it would likely take close to another whole year to get enough people vaccinated that something like actual “herd immunity” could come into play. And even then the virus would still be an problem, though not (one would pray) a “pandemic”. So things are proceeding on - an unfortunately protracted - schedule.
Hopefully.

211
Rightwingconspirator  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:03:25pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

I share your worry. While I do get the concept of building out so much in parallel instead of in sequence. They have been producing vaccines that they may well have to dispose of in the event of a safety or efficacy failure. Hundreds of thousands of doses already made.

I have already decided to wait for a dead virus vaccine instead of the two new ones. Those are both mRNA. That’s really scary level new. I’m gonna add a poster with a lot of info you might already know, but a lot of us here might not about more established vaccine types.

It’s not easy looking into vaccine risks because the crazy anti-vax gets all over everything. If you read deeply you can ask yourself if it bothers you the “placebo” is another vaccine, not a neutral substance, which conflates side effect data. I don’t care there is a scientific reason to do that.

212
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:03:29pm

re: #207 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

213
garzooma  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:07:18pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

I’m not gonna get all conspiracy theory about it, but something about the way these COVID vaccines are being hyped has me on edge. I don’t really trust this operation, to be honest, and it makes me uncomfortable that they’re supposedly using new techniques to rush them out much quicker than normal.

Maybe my nerves are just frayed after four years of this crap, but also maybe they’re telling me something I should listen to.

Fauci addresses this, per CNN:

No vaccine currently on the market uses mRNA.
“There has always been skepticism about mRNA — it’s brand new and would it work?” Fauci said. “What we saw in the trials is there was no real safety concern, and the efficacy is quite impressive. We saw nearly identical results [with Pfizer and Moderna] and it almost really validates the mRNA platform.”
Research on mRNA began many years before the current pandemic. Fauci’s agency, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has collaborated with Moderna on the development of its vaccine.

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William Lewis  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:08:15pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

I’m not gonna get all conspiracy theory about it, but something about the way these COVID vaccines are being hyped has me on edge. I don’t really trust this operation, to be honest, and it makes me uncomfortable that they’re supposedly using new techniques to rush them out much quicker than normal.

Maybe my nerves are just frayed after four years of this crap, but also maybe they’re telling me something I should listen to.

They’re all supposed to be coming right out after DeJoy stole the election for the Mango Moron.

Why yes, I think the polls were right an only our GOTV saved us from him destroying lots of ballots.

215
Barefoot Grin  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:09:16pm

Playing “Taps” for Glenn:

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ckkatz  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:10:27pm

On possible shortages, Beau of the Fifth Column’s take:
(tl;dr, there may be spot shortages. Perhaps it might be useful to pick up a few extra critical supplies while they were still available. This will free up critical supplies during the shortages and leave it for the neediest people.)

Let’s talk about the shelves this winter….

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:11:52pm

re: #215 Barefoot Grin

Playing “Taps” for Glenn:

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He’s such a gutless asshole.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:12:00pm

So tired of all this winning!

219
jaunte  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:14:30pm
220
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:16:32pm

Cat 5 Iota is scarily impressive on satellite IR:

Image: G16-sector-cam-band13-48fr-20201116-1906.gif

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:19:45pm

222
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:21:12pm
223
Nojay UK  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:22:39pm

re: #208 sagehen

The “is it effective tests” are followed by the “is it safe tests”. Usually, it takes 6 months before researchers can be confident it’s safe… but there’ll be a lot of pressure to cut that short.

It’s the other way round. People have been receiving this prototype versions of this vaccine since April or May this year, a few hundred of them in the Stage 1 trials, often staff and researchers working to develop the vaccine in question. If they had fallen over or had broken out in blue spots then the vaccine is dangerous and it would never be approved for the Stage 2 or Stage 3 trials which put tens of thousands of people at serious risk from adverse effects, if any.

The Stage 3 trials might pick up a one-in-a-thousand or rarer adverse effect — a couple of candidate vaccines had their Stage 3 trial halted due to developing illness and/or death of a single test subject but they were cleared for their trial to continue after investigation. The Stage 3 trial is primarily to prove or disprove the candidate vaccine’s effectiveness in preventing infection or ameliorating the effects of an infection (i.e. making an infection milder and less damaging that it might be).

Saying that both the Pfizer and the Moderna results are preliminary data, announced as an in-trial update rather than fully conclusive. Note that with similar numbers in their Stage 3 trial groups both trials presented at the point where they had registered a little over 90 COVID-19 cases each with 90% of those cases in the placebo cohorts. There’s still more data to come but it’s looking very promising.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:30:20pm

re: #209 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And the result Donald Trump is lying about in Clark County, NV?

[Embedded content]

One county commission seat. Not Trump’s loss.

159 ballots had irregularities.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:34:46pm

re: #189 retired cynic

Oh, I had a friend, who just passed away to my great sorrow, who had a vulture lift off the road in front of her carrying a VERY dead possum. It couldn’t fly with it, so dropped it on her window and hood. She said it was one of the worst jobs she ever had to do, was to clean that off fast before it damaged her car!

MrBWS just told me to share with y’all the time a dead squirrel dropped out of an absolutely clear blue sky when he was plowing a field.

fucking vultures.

Factoid: they will vomit on you if you piss them off; not a pleasant experience.

226
Nojay UK  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:39:15pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

fucking vultures.

Factoid: they will vomit on you if you piss them off; not a pleasant experience.

They regurgitate the partially-digested contents of their stomachs to feed their chicks. They only vomit on you because they love you and they think you’re not eating properly.

227
The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:40:48pm

This is so cute!

228
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:45:04pm

re: #209 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And the result Donald Trump is lying about in Clark County, NV?

[Embedded content]

One county commission seat. Not Trump’s loss.

Yup.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:48:34pm

re: #208 sagehen

The “is it effective tests” are followed by the “is it safe tests”. Usually, it takes 6 months before researchers can be confident it’s safe… but there’ll be a lot of pressure to cut that short.

Also, like Thalidomide, the “is it safe for pregnant women and their fetuses” needs even longer to be sure, and I doubt we’ll give it long enough to really know.

We can discover effects that arise in a few months but not those that might take years to develop. For example, DES which was given to pregnant women led to serious side effects among the daughters they were carrying — side effects that appeared when the daughters were adults. But there is no way to guard against such long-term damage. Some damage can be detected in animal studies — and I believe that those who created thalidomide had such studies that they suppressed. But other damage can be so rare that it won’t arise when you have only 30,000 test subjects. We don’t have the time. So pharmaceutical firms do the best they can with limited time and keep their fingers crossed.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:03:52pm

[moved]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:12:59pm

re: #211 Rightwingconspirator

I share your worry. While I do get the concept of building out so much in parallel instead of in sequence. They have been producing vaccines that they may well have to dispose of in the event of a safety or efficacy failure. Hundreds of thousands of doses already made.

I have already decided to wait for a dead virus vaccine instead of the two new ones. Those are both mRNA. That’s really scary level new. I’m gonna add a poster with a lot of info you might already know, but a lot of us here might not about more established vaccine types.

[Embedded content]

It’s not easy looking into vaccine risks because the crazy anti-vax gets all over everything. If you read deeply you can ask yourself if it bothers you the “placebo” is another vaccine, not a neutral substance, which conflates side effect data. I don’t care there is a scientific reason to do that.

we really could use gene jockey’s perspective right about now about this.
hope he shows up soon…he’s been missing for a few weeks now.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:00:52pm

re: #227 The Pie Overlord!

This is so cute!

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But it ends with someone eating Snoopy.


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The Big Moon - Why Director/Editor - Jonjo LoweProducer - Rosie BrearDoP - Alistair LittleCinema 4D Animation - Jay DarlingtonGrade - Myles Bevan @ Time Based ArtsEdit/FX Assistant - Carina EtaeCollage Design Assist - Bex LiuChoreography - Grace Nicol Special thanks - Thrds Studio, ...
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Deep Sea Diver - Impossible Weight (Studio Video) “Impossible Weight” off Deep Sea Diver’s new album 'Impossible Weight' out now. Filmed during the recording of Impossible Weight at Hall of Justice in Seattle WA. STREAM / BUY "Impossible Weight" here smarturl.it WATCH OFFICAL MUSIC VIDEO HERE : ...
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Eddie Vedder - Matter of Time (Official Music Video) The official music video for "Matter of Time" by Eddie Vedder. Written for everyone worldwide afflicted with Epidermolysis Bullosa (EB). To help fund research aimed at treating and curing EB, please donate to the EB Research Partnership: ebresearch.org “Matter ...
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 201122 Saturday was general maintenance around the place.Mowing, weed whacking, palm tree trimming, etc.Nothing picture worthy or really, even pond related. Sunday was more rain. We really were lucky for that first year. Not one Sunday did we get rained ...
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Nduduzo Makhathini - UmlothaMusic video by Nduduzo Makhathini performing Umlotha. © 2020 Universal Music (Pty) Ltd South Africa vevo.ly
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Brian Eno - Decline and Fall (From ‘O Nome Da Morte’) The official music video for "Decline and Fall”, a track from the new album “Film Music 1976 - 2020”, is a cinematic collaboration between Brian Eno and acclaimed Brazilian film director Henrique Goldman which contemplates rain and fire, fiction ...
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Brian Eno - Like I Was a Spectator 'Like I Was A Spectator', a brand new track by Brian Eno with Daniel Lanois and Roger Eno from ‘Apollo – Atmospheres & Soundtracks – Extended Edition’. The video was created using rare N.A.S.A. footage.Order now: brianeno.lnk.to Follow Brian ...
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 201115After two really sunny and swell days since Eta left, Saturday was a mix of mostly sun and a bit of rain.We still managed to be really productive both days anyway. Got all the lava rock washed and shoveled into ...
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