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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:33:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:35:53pm
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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:39:20pm

Joe Biden spent half a century in DC. Joe knows and has seen every political type that is in Congress now. There is nothing new under the sun. The script may have been updated but Joe has been dealing with the same game for a lot of America has been alive.

We haven’t figured out how to honestly do an informed democracy in the internet age and that is why I am glad that we voted in the ant-social media/internet guy.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:41:09pm

Sometimes The Onion is just the thing.
local.theonion.com
No Amount Of Training Could Have Prepared Cat For First Experience Seeing Mouse In Real Life

SARASOTA, FL—Expressing his shock at having been taken completely off guard, local cat Muffins acknowledged Monday that no amount of training could have prepared him for his first experience encountering a mouse in real life. “Man, I’ve spent hours and hours simulating a confrontation with a mouse, but when the real moment comes, all that practice goes right out the window,” said the two-year-old American shorthair, confirming that his daily regimen of pouncing, scratching, and running in circles around his apartment had done virtually nothing to help equip him for the sensation of coming face-to-face with a genuine rodent. “I’ll admit I used to be pretty cocky. I’ve destroyed so many balls with feathers on them that I can practically do it in my sleep. One time I even fought a moth to a draw, so I always figured if I ever saw a mouse I’d make quick work of it, but it’s not like that in the real world. Instinct takes over, and it doesn’t matter how sharp your claws are, that’s the moment when you find out if you’ve got what it takes, and let me tell you what—real mice don’t have catnip inside them, buddy, you can bet on that.” Muffins added that since he was now a killer, he didn’t know if he’d be able to return to living in a pretend fantasy world.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:42:17pm

re: #1 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Rudy has people?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:42:24pm
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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:42:42pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Can we designate one the MAGA galaxy and (gently) teleport these people to a new paradise?

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:43:16pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:43:33pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

These guys can talk all the trash talk they want. NONE of that is happening. Uncle Joe is taking office in due course.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:43:43pm
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lawhawk  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:44:03pm

re: #1 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Trump’s last gasp is to try and force a political/constitutional crisis that goes to the House.

He’s trying to kneecap the incoming administration.

He’s trying to sabotage the incoming administration’s ability to do the job from day 1. He wants to see Biden fail because he’s a sociopath who will wreck everything since he can’t get his way.

This isn’t a legal strategy. It’s an extortion scheme. It’s a confidence game. It’s how a crime syndicate operates when they know that the prosecutors are getting close.

After January 20, people are going to come forward with all kinds of stories about how Trump broke the law. Just watch.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:44:06pm

re: #1 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Costa is a good right wing reporter. The question is not whether the GOP will respect the will of the people but how the GOP will overturn it.

And we keep losing to these anti-democracy SOBs?

The word I have settled on for my entire 2020 eye-opening take of American humanity….disillusioned

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:44:27pm

Lungs in a vaccine. Innumerate, AND they have no concept of size.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:45:19pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Rudy has people?

Cousins, mostly….

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:46:48pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:46:59pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Rudy has people?

In his crypt. Sort-of people.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:47:15pm

re: #12 b.d. (We Won!)

I don’t care for Costa. All he does is parrot Republican talking points. He says nothing of any consequence.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:47:40pm

This fucker can’t die soon enough.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:48:42pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Rudy has people?

Evil fuckers always have minions. And not the cute little yellow ones.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:48:55pm

re: #10 jaunte

WTH? Baby boy lungs in a vaccine? I can’t even.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:49:27pm

re: #20 Patricia Kayden

Yeah, they’re nuts.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:50:02pm
It was a getaway attempt worthy of Ian Fleming, but in the end, a suspected US fraudster proved he was no James Bond.

Matthew Piercey, 44, a California man accused of financial crimes, briefly evaded justice when the FBI tried to arrest him on Monday morning.

He first fled by car and then used a sea scooter to hide from agents underwater in a frigid lake.

Agents watched his bubbles on the surface for around 25 minutes before he emerged and was handcuffed.

He is accused of leading a $35m (£27m) Ponzi scheme at his local church.

Sea scooters, also known as diver propulsion vehicles, are underwater devices that can pull a person wearing scuba gear. They were used for the underwater battle in the 1965 James Bond film Thunderball and have been employed by real-life militaries around the world.

Officials said that when they moved in to arrest Mr Piercey he fled in a pickup truck, twice driving off the road. He was then seen jumping in to the lake near the city of Redding with a strange device in his hand.

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bbc.com

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:51:22pm

re: #10 jaunte

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Know what? If MAGAts don’t want the vaccine, fine. Give it to everyone else.

If they die ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Who fucking cares? I have no patience or empathy for any of them.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:52:30pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:52:49pm

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:52:53pm

re: #17 Patricia Kayden

I don’t care for Costa. All he does is parrot Republican talking points. He says nothing of any consequence.

I see him as a tap. 90% of his stuff is stenography and that gives him a conduit to some real stuff every once in a while. I see him more as a pipeline to the older members who haven’t/won’t adapt to newer media offerings.

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gwangung  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:52:58pm

re: #23 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Know what? If MAGAts don’t want the vaccine, fine. Give it to everyone else.

If they die ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Who fucking cares? I have no patience or empathy for any of them.

Well, if you’re part of the 7.5% the vaccine doesn’t work for, then you might care….

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:53:33pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:54:22pm

re: #27 gwangung

Yep. That’s the problem. Science deniers don’t live in a bubble where they only hurt each other.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:54:23pm

re: #12 b.d. (We Won!)

Costa is a good right wing reporter. The question is not whether the GOP will respect the will of the people but how the GOP will overturn it.

And we keep losing to these anti-democracy SOBs?

The word I have settled on for my entire 2020 eye-opening take of American humanity….disillusioned

I like Costa. Why do you thing he’s right wing?

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:54:30pm

Sorry, fake newspaper article.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:56:05pm

re: #26 b.d. (We Won!)

Exactly. Costa is pretty much a stenographer for Republicans. He just regurgitates whatever they tell him. Pretty useless, imho.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:56:24pm

Well this went kinda sideways…

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:57:46pm

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:57:49pm

re: #31 jaunte

Yup, Snopes rated it false, in 2015.

However, since then there have been plenty of outbursts by Trump that convey the same ideas.

Plus it has been reported that those who have investigated Trump’s personal life and his associates, such as that notorious butler at Mar-a-brag stated things about Trump that have gone woefully under-scrutinized.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:58:07pm

re: #30 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I like Costa. Why do you thing he’s right wing?

That is where his strength is, that is where his strong sources are so he has more real news from the right side of the aisle. When he gives insight it is from the right wing viewpoint.

He may or may not personally be right wing but that is the vein that he has been able to jab into.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:58:11pm
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retired cynic  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:58:34pm

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2020 • 7:59:16pm

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

Well this went kinda sideways…

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:00:04pm

When you post before refreshing your newsfeed…

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:00:44pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:01:19pm

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:02:21pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:02:54pm

Thanks, guys it’s great to have good folks on your side.

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Teukka  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:03:43pm

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

Well this went kinda sideways…

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:08:29pm

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:10:52pm

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

Well this went kinda sideways…

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:11:19pm

NO.

NO.

NO.

NO.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:12:59pm

re: #48 🌹UOJB!

NO.

NO.

NO.

NO.

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You should put that behind a trigger tag!

Shudder!!!

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:13:52pm

re: #48 🌹UOJB!

NO.

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NO.

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Jack Burton  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:23:34pm

re: #48 🌹UOJB!

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:23:48pm
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:24:17pm

42 years ago tonight on CBS…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:24:50pm

re: #10 jaunte

In the category of “religion poisons everything”:

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:25:36pm

re: #48 🌹UOJB!

Jam on pizza is a little too far. Hard pass.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:26:35pm

re: #48 🌹UOJB!

I think what we’re looking for the pineapple to provide is acid, not sugar.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:27:17pm

RICO, can you hear me?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:28:23pm

re: #53 🌹UOJB!

Chiefly notable for the introduction of Boba Fett.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:28:48pm

re: #58 Dr Lizardo

Chiefly notable for the introduction of Boba Fett.

Whip whip stir whip

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:29:43pm

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:31:19pm

Today by the way is my wife’s birthday. We decided to spend the day together at home, like we usually do.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:35:36pm

State senator called Omaha woman a fanatic and stupid; where to complain? (Goes to the Lincoln Journal-Star)

This would be the asshat bigot Republican state senator from North Platte, Mike Groene.

He is the chair of the state Education Committee. This is also the guy who says he got Covid-19 and was glad to get it, because it “will help herd immunity.”

Sen. Mike Groene of North Platte set off a flurry of controversy earlier this month when he announced he had COVID-19 and was glad to get it, have it over with and contribute to herd immunity.

Nebraskans contacted him to complain about what they characterized as his lack of knowledge and compassion about the coronavirus. And he wasn’t shy about hitting back, telling them they needed to crawl out from under their beds, stop living in fear and using it to scare others.

His emails to two of those constituents, one from North Platte and one from Omaha, earned him complaints to the Nebraska Ombudsman’s Office and the media.

Carol Gottsch of Omaha filed a complaint with the Ombudsman’s Office about the exchange she had with Groene after she sent him an email about his comments.

“What followed were three emails from Mr. Groene which were full of misinformation, as well as laced with condescending, name-calling remarks,” she told the Ombudsman’s Office.

He called her a socialist and described her as self-righteous, she said.

When she told him his information was not medically factual regarding COVID-19, he told her she was a know-it-all and suggested she keep her self-righteous opinions to herself.

“He called me a fanatic and stupid,” she complained.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:36:19pm

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Today by the way is my wife’s birthday. We decided to spend the day together at home, like we usually do.

Well a Happy Birthday to the Mrs!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:38:41pm

re: #53 🌹UOJB!

42 years ago tonight on CBS…

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The Lego version on Disney+ is hilarious!

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:39:01pm

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Today by the way is my wife’s birthday. We decided to spend the day together at home, like we usually do.

A very Happy Birthday to Mrs. Anymouse!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:41:48pm

re: #63 🌹UOJB!

re: #65 Hecuba’s daughter

I love her.

She says she looks very good for eighty-five. /s

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sagehen  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:46:50pm

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Today by the way is my wife’s birthday. We decided to spend the day together at home, like we usually do.

did you bake her a cake? Or at least put candles on a store-bought cake?

(and rub her feet, and write her a sonnet, and do more than your share of household chores?)

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:48:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:49:43pm

re: #67 sagehen

did you bake her a cake? Or at least put candles on a store-bought cake?

(and rub her feet, and write her a sonnet, and do more than your share of household chores?)

Thanks for the suggestion on rubbing feet.

She would rightly refuse any cake I tried to make. We can’t get store-bought cakes here.

LOL on this comment:

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:50:50pm

re: #68 jaunte

The best part of a Zoom Viking Thanksgiving is you can take a break, drop out of the call and return with a fresh skull of mead at any time.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:54:48pm

What really bums me out is my 65th birthday is on January 31st and I had planned to travel up and down the west coast on Amtrak’s Coast Starlight and top it off with a birthday dinner at the Seattle Space Needle.

First Amtrak had to cancel, train service reduced and overbooked.

Then The Space Needle restaurant is closed.

Then the backup plan was to dine at The Pacific Dining Car in Los Angeles (now closed)

Then I made reservations at Musso & Frank Grill (now cancelled)

Then I made reservation for a birthday dinner at Rao’s Hollywood (And that just closed due to COVID yesterday).

Guess I just get to sleep in on my birthday…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:54:53pm

To someone who lives in Omaha or Lincoln, anything west of that is “western Nebraska.”

Omaha is on the eastern state line and Lincoln is about forty miles southwest of Omaha. The rest of the four hundred miles of Nebraska are “western” to people in the populated portion of the state.

That said, one of the writers at Seeing Red Nebraska now has twelve family members with Covid-19 as the governor’s genocide continues.

COVID-19 Hits Home

Twelve of my family members have had Covid-19 in the last 2 weeks, all out in western Nebraska, aged 3 to 89, North Platte and Stapleton to be exact.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:54:56pm

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Today by the way is my wife’s birthday. We decided to spend the day together at home, like we usually do.

Hope she had a great birthday!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:57:37pm

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I am not saying this for sympathy or prayers, I am an atheist. Just everyone, please be careful. Don’t eat at restaurants. Wear your masks. Do NOT gather for holidays. There is no leadership. No one is coming to save us. I luckily have not been exposed precisely because I declined to go to an outdoor event in Kearney on Oct. 24th. I decided it was too risky for me when truly our leaders should have decided that for everyone weeks ago. I chose not to go despite the fact I so desperately want to see my family. We ALL need to step up and make these painful, unpopular decisions.

(emphasis mine)

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mmmirele  Nov 17, 2020 • 8:59:42pm

Head of the Maricopa County board of supervisors sent out a letter today telling people to dial down the rhetoric and defended the election. He’s a Republican.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:00:03pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:00:33pm

re: #71 🌹UOJB!

I feel you. Won’t be able to travel to Canada to see family and friends over the Christmas holiday which is my norm. Thanks Covid-19.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:05:55pm

re: #77 Patricia Kayden

I feel you. Won’t be able to travel to Canada to see family and friends over the Christmas holiday which is my norm. Thanks Covid-19.

What got me angry is first Amtrak removed the famous Parlor Car from the Coast Starlight. Next the Dining Car was removed and now you get a box meal. What I loved riding the long distance trains was having a good meal while traveling.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:07:28pm

re: #71 🌹UOJB!

I’m sorry you’re missing out on your celebration (and especially the train trip). That said, sixty-five is an arbitrary number. Hopefully we’ll be past this and you can tell us all about your amazing adventures on your sixty-sixth birthday.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:08:34pm

re: #77 Patricia Kayden

I feel you. Won’t be able to travel to Canada to see family and friends over the Christmas holiday which is my norm. Thanks Covid-19 Republican genocidaires.

(That’s the way I’d word it though your mileage may vary.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:10:21pm

re: #76 Sherlock Hound

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:17:33pm

re: #75 mmmirele

Head of the Maricopa County board of supervisors sent out a letter today telling people to dial down the rhetoric and defended the election. He’s a Republican.

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So there are Republicans in Nevada Arizona who support our Constitution. We will see shortly whether the Georgia Republicans withstand pressure and certify Biden as winner of their Electoral votes. Given Kemp’s history of voter suppression, it is surprising that the state so far is standing tall and protecting the rights of their citizens.

Trump is playing a game of seeing whether the GOP establishment will work with him on his coup d’etat; he has nothing to lose by exploring this gambit. The nation has its future and survival at stake. But Trump? if he fails, he is where he would be if he conceded now; if he succeeds, he can remake this nation into a banana republic under the permanent control of the Republican Party, run in perpetuity by a member of the Trump family. Trump and the GOP certainly have no concern about the damage to the nation by delaying the transition until ???? December 14? Later?

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VegasGolfer  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:20:13pm

re: #82 Hecuba’s daughter

You mean Arizona?

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:20:17pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:24:39pm

re: #83 VegasGolfer

You mean Arizona?

Oops! Yes. Corrected. There had been some earlier story about challenges in Nevada, so I had Nevada on my mind. Thank you!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:29:07pm

Via Snopes;

NEW YORK (AP) — Now at amazon.com: insulin and inhalers.

The retail colossus opened an online pharmacy Tuesday that allows customers to order medication or prescription refills, and have them delivered to their front door in a couple of days.

The potential impact of Amazon’s arrival in the pharmaceutical space rippled through that sector immediately. The stocks of CVS Health Corp., Walgreens and Rite Aid all tumbled Tuesday.

The big chains rely on their pharmacies for a steady flow of shoppers who may also grab a snack or shampoo or groceries on the way out. All have upped online services and touted their abilities to deliver prescriptions and other goods as the COVID-19 pandemic has pushed more consumers to stay home. But amazon.com has mastered these things, and its online store is infinitely larger, with millions of loyal shoppers already buying books, TVs and just about anything else.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:30:17pm

re: #84 🌹UOJB!

That’s a lot of sage. 1/8th of the bread? With the popcorn will the turkey stage a Sagebrush Rebellion?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:35:47pm

When you have a captive regulatory agency:

FAA poised to clear Boeing 737 Max to fly again (Associated Press)

The Federal Aviation Administration is expected on Wednesday to clear Boeing’s 737 Max to fly again after grounding the jet for nearly two years due to a pair of crashes that killed 346 people.

Agency Administrator Steve Dickson said last week the FAA was in the final stages of reviewing changes to the Max that would make it safe to return to the skies.

“I will lift the grounding order only after our safety experts are satisfied that the aircraft meets certification standards,” he said in a statement.

The move would come after numerous congressional hearings on the crashes that led to criticism of the FAA for lax oversight and Boeing for rushing to implement a new software system that put profits over safety and ultimately led to the firing of its CEO.

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mmmirele  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:35:50pm

re: #86 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Via Snopes;

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snopes.com

I wonder how many people will use this Amazon service, due to the malign presence of pharmacy benefit managers who steer insured persons to their favorite pharmacies or try to coerce you into ordering by mail from them. I’m already “that’s a big NOPE DAWG from me” on ordering directly from ExpressScripts, especially when they tried to charge me $1000 for a scrip that GoodRX could get me for $624.22.

The only way this really works out is if Amazon sets up as a pharmacy benefit manager.

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plansbandc  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:37:05pm

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Happy Birthday, Mrs. Anymouse!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:43:53pm

re: #89 mmmirele

I wonder how many people will use this Amazon service, due to the malign presence of pharmacy benefit managers who steer insured persons to their favorite pharmacies or try to coerce you into ordering by mail from them. I’m already “that’s a big NOPE DAWG from me” on ordering directly from ExpressScripts, especially when they tried to charge me $1000 for a scrip that GoodRX could get me for $624.22.

The only way this really works out is if Amazon sets up as a pharmacy benefit manager.

The article notes that Amazon intends to set up a PBM.

Express Scripts manages TriCare’s prescription payments, but Tricare Standard does not limit what pharmacy you can use.

TriCare keeps sending me letters trying to get me to sign up for Tricare Prime, but they limit who you (well, my wife) can see and which drugs you can get at which pharmacies, none of which you find around here.

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mmmirele  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:46:04pm

Here’s a story about a guy who tried to escape from the FBI by diving into Lake Shasta with an underwater “sea scooter.” The Fibbies waited him out and he surfaced after ~25 minutes.

The guy was wanted for a Ponzi scheme where he and a partner extracted $35 million from a number of people at his church in Redding, California. That’d be Bethel Church in Redding. You know, the church where they tried to pray a toddler back to life a year ago, where the senior pastor’s wife (also a pastor) was a complete and utter shitheel when she was told to wear a mask and whose “prophets” persist in thinking and saying that Trump won the election. That Bethel Redding.

Why am I not surprised that a couple of con men found it ripe for a Ponzi scheme?

sacbee.com

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:47:43pm

re: #92 mmmirele

Here’s a story about a guy who tried to escape from the FBI by diving into Lake Shasta with an underwater “sea scooter.” The Fibbies waited him out and he surfaced after ~25 minutes.

The guy was wanted for a Ponzi scheme where he and a partner extracted $35 million from a number of people at his church in Redding, California. That’d be Bethel Church in Redding. You know, the church where they tried to pray a toddler back to life a year ago, where the senior pastor’s wife (also a pastor) was a complete and utter shitheel when she was told to wear a mask and whose “prophets” persist in thinking and saying that Trump won the election. That Bethel Redding.

Why am I not surprised that a couple of con men found it ripe for a Ponzi scheme?

sacbee.com

Ah reminds me of how Paul Risser fleeced the Foursquare Church…and of course those assholes took him back after he did the Jimmy Swaggart thing…and his wife did the mascara streaming down the face shtick…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:56:56pm

For everyone who keeps asking for the ability to edit tweets on Twitter or kick off the Nazis: You’re in luck, they did neither.

Twitter is launching tweets that disappear in 24 hours called “Fleets” globally, echoing social media sites like Snapchat, Facebook and Instagram that already have disappearing posts.

The company says the ephemeral tweets, which it calls “fleets” because of their fleeting nature, are designed to allay the concerns of new users who might be turned off by the public and permanent nature of normal tweets.

Fleets can’t be retweeted and they won’t have “likes.” People can respond to them, but the replies show up as direct messages to the original tweeter, not as a public response, turning any back-and-forth into a private conversation instead of a public discussion.

Twitter tested the feature in Brazil, Italy, India, and South Korea, before rolling it out globally.

(more)

snopes.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2020 • 9:57:09pm

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Snap Kraken Pop 🍿
Honestly I think it may be beneficial if you did your own research about what has been happening. I won’t convince you.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
James Poole 🕷
“Do your own research” = “I am just making this shit up”

Seems to be quite common reaction among followers of Q — do your own research to suck you into the cult because I certainly cannot explain the finer details of the conspiracy that involves dozens of deep state actors.

Their other favorite response is the “Watch what happens” because they cannot explain why “it’s” going to happen — but “it’s” definitely going to happen

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:00:33pm

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

For everyone who keeps asking for the ability to edit tweets on Twitter or kick off the Nazis: You’re in luck, they did neither.

(more)

snopes.com

Twitter announces Fleets

Fleet, as in enema

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BeachDem  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:00:47pm

re: #92 mmmirele

Here’s a story about a guy who tried to escape from the FBI by diving into Lake Shasta with an underwater “sea scooter.” The Fibbies waited him out and he surfaced after ~25 minutes.

The guy was wanted for a Ponzi scheme where he and a partner extracted $35 million from a number of people at his church in Redding, California. That’d be Bethel Church in Redding. You know, the church where they tried to pray a toddler back to life a year ago, where the senior pastor’s wife (also a pastor) was a complete and utter shitheel when she was told to wear a mask and whose “prophets” persist in thinking and saying that Trump won the election. That Bethel Redding.

Why am I not surprised that a couple of con men found it ripe for a Ponzi scheme?

sacbee.com

I love when you share Redding/Bethel stories. When working on a project there, Bethel really creeped me out. Not sure if you saw that former Redding councilman/mayor, creepy gunstore guy (who was on the transit board and HATED public transit) is now a Shasta County supervisor. They are craycray up there.

Ironically, the nicest peeps from my recollection were the folks at IASCO, the place where they basically train Chinese pilots. They were in the news awhile back about a kidnapping of a student or some such, but most of the articles I read at the time had no clue what the company was all about.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:05:01pm

re: #95 Hecuba’s daughter

Seems to be quite common reaction among followers of Q — do your own research to suck you into the cult because I certainly cannot explain the finer details of the conspiracy that involves dozens of deep state actors.

Their other favorite response is the “Watch what happens” because they cannot explain why “it’s” going to happen — but “it’s” definitely going to happen

“Do your own research” falls with a lot of conspiratorial thinking (and some religious apologetics).

“Why did WTC7 fall if a plane didn’t hit it? Do your own research.”
“The earth is flat. You can see if you do your own research with this helpful list of YouTube videos.”
“Feminism is cancer; look at all these sites which will red-pill you if you just do your own research.”
“God is real. You just need to do more research in the Bible (and not those other holy books like the Qur’an because they are heathens and if you do your own research you’ll see.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:06:17pm

My asshat representative who says he only represents Republicans, it figures he would say this.

Nebraska

Congratulated/accepted the result

Sen. Ben Sasse, R. Nov. 8. “Melissa and I congratulate the next president, Joe Biden, and the next vice president, Kamala Harris. Today in our house we pray for both President Trump and President-Elect Biden, that both would be wise in the execution of their respective duties during this important time in our nation. Despite the policy differences many of us will have with the incoming administration, every American’s civic responsibilities are the same: root for every president’s success, work together where we can, and debate passionately and respectfully.”

Rejected, cast doubt on, or conspicuously failed to accept the result

Rep. Adrian Smith, R-Neb. 3. Nov. 6. “Everyone’s vote matters and should be counted. We must ensure every vote is authentic, timely, and legal. I’m concerned about the ballot-counting patterns that lack transparency and accountability. It’s inexcusable for ballot-counting locations to exclude Republican observers.”

Ambiguous

Rep. Don Bacon, R-Neb. 2. Nov. 7. “We’re always going to respect our constitution and enforce our constitution. We’re going to ensure that every citizen who’s voted on time and lawfully has their vote counted. We will respect the rule of the voters, because that’s what we do here in America and we’ve been doing it since 1788. We want to do it as transparently as possible because we want to make sure that folks have confidence that ballots are being counted rightfully.”
Sen. Deb Fischer, R. Nov. 5. “I’m proud of Nebraska for administering a free and fair election and counting all ballots in accordance with state law. All other states must do the same under the rules set out by their state legislatures. This is what our Constitution requires and what the voters deserve.”
Rep. Jeff Fortenberry, R-Neb. 1. Nov. 6. “There are a lot of questions and anxiety across America at this moment; fortunately, in #Nebraska our elections are safe. The integrity of the election process demands absolute adherence to legal standards. This is only fair for now and the future.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:11:25pm

re: #99 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The Ambiguous ones are in the same category as Adrian Smith: none of them congratulated Biden and Harris.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:12:06pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:13:19pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:13:45pm

re: #55 Patricia Kayden

Jam on pizza is a little too far. Hard pass.

Looked like cold pizza being eaten for breakfast the day after.

In which case I’d be tempted to give it a pass.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:17:33pm

re: #75 mmmirele

Head of the Maricopa County board of supervisors sent out a letter today telling people to dial down the rhetoric and defended the election. He’s a Republican.

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I hope this is a bit enlightening to some of the GOP rank-and-file is that they let the loonies into their party and that the loonies are quite willing to turn their bile and threats upon them very quickly as well.

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Belafon  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:19:57pm

For you Terry Pratchett fans, go find out information about about a video about him done by his daughter and Neil Gaiman: balloon-juice.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:20:15pm

re: #100 Hecuba’s daughter

The Ambiguous ones are in the same category as Adrian Smith: none of them congratulated Biden and Harris.

They weren’t expressly propagating the baseless conspiracy theory that Republican observers were prohibited from viewing ballot counting.

Deb Fischer up there notes Nebraska held a fair election, implying but not saying that maybe other states didn’t.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:21:25pm

How your representatives and senators responded to the election results (Snopes)

A list of every senator and representative by state and what they said or wrote (if anything).

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BeachDem  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:25:20pm

re: #101 Dread Pirate Ron

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I love The Crown, but Gillian Anderson’s Margaret Thatcher is getting on my last nerve. There’s been mixed reaction, but I think she is just terrible—almost comically terrible. YMMV.

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William Lewis  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:30:08pm

re: #108 BeachDem

I love The Crown, but Gillian Anderson’s Margaret Thatcher is getting on my last nerve. There’s been mixed reaction, but I think she is just terrible—almost comically terrible. YMMV.

Rather appropriate really - a horrific acting job for a horrific person.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:31:12pm

Comparing Canada’s provinces to the USA’s states with regard to cases of Covid-19 per million on a seven-day average (default, can be changed)

The highest province in the rankings is Manitoba, which falls just below #38 South Carolina.

The top five are North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, Wyoming, and Nebraska.

ctvnews.ca

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Targetpractice  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:32:42pm

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

For everyone who keeps asking for the ability to edit tweets on Twitter or kick off the Nazis: You’re in luck, they did neither.

(more)

snopes.com

Fleets are a “lower pressure” way to communicate “fleeting thoughts” as opposed to permanent tweets, Twitter executives Joshua Harris, design director, and Sam Haveson, product manager, said in a blog post.

Translation: “We’re tired of getting angry emails from celebs and their lawyers about tweets that still exist from a decade ago.”

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BeachDem  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:38:47pm

re: #109 William Lewis

Rather appropriate really - a horrific acting job for a horrific person.

Well, there’s that, but everyone else is so good and she just chews the scenery like nobody’s business. Tracey Ullman doing parody of Thatcher is more believable.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 10:55:09pm

Tropical Storm Iota is still plugging along to the west.

Tropical Storm Iota Intermediate Advisory Number 19A
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL312020
1200 AM CST Wed Nov 18 2020

…IOTA MOVING OVER SOUTHERN HONDURAS TOWARDS EL SALVADOR…
…THREAT OF CATASTROPHIC FLASH FLOODING AND MUDSLIDES CONTINUES
ACROSS PORTIONS OF CENTRAL AMERICA…

SUMMARY OF 1200 AM CST…0600 UTC…INFORMATION
———————————————————————-
LOCATION…13.7N 87.8W
ABOUT 25 MI…40 KM NE OF EL PAPALON EL SALVADOR
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS…40 MPH…65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT…W OR 270 DEGREES AT 12 MPH…19 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE…1005 MB…29.68 INCHES

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 11:19:36pm

Because it’s impossible for viruses to cross the Missouri River (that’s just science):

LINCOLN — Nebraska and Iowa have embarked on two different paths for dealing with COVID-19.

On Monday, Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds became the latest state executive to impose a statewide mask mandate in an effort to control the spread of the virus. The move came as Iowa ranked third in the nation for new cases per capita.

In Nebraska, with a fifth-place ranking, Gov. Pete Ricketts held fast to his opposition to a broad mask requirement. His response, when asked about the Iowa mandate, was to say that every state is different and that masks are only one tool to fight the pandemic.

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Nebraska and Iowa take two different approaches to mask mandates (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 11:22:39pm
Hospital staff and board members made their plea to the Scottsbluff City Council for a mask mandate during Monday night’s meeting. They renewed a call hospital leadership made over the weekend in a letter addressed to local officials for consideration of such a mandate.

Mayor Raymond Gonzales said the council could not make a decision regarding the mandate at the meeting.

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The reason the decision couldn’t be made at the meeting regards state law regarding public meetings: Items which are not on the agenda may not be acted upon. That said, the Scottsbluff City Council can either schedule an emergency meeting with Regional West Medical Center’s item on the agenda, or put it on the regular agenda of the next meeting.

starherald.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 11:26:28pm

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

This part is fookin’ nuts:

The statute requires creating a board of health consisting of five members. By statute those are the mayor, who shall be chairperson, a physician, who shall be medical adviser, the chief of police, who shall be secretary and quarantine officer, and two other members. The board then creates the rules and regulations.

Scottsbluff currently does not have a board of health.

The largest city in the Panhandle does not have a board of health. (The statute actually says licensed medical personnel, so an RN can be on the board of health.)

My village has a board of health. It consists of the Sidney VA nurse (who lives across the street from me), the chairwoman of the village board, the town marshal, and two members of the village.

WTF, Scottsbluff?

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Targetpractice  Nov 17, 2020 • 11:28:05pm

Here we are, almost a year into the global emergence of this virus and a few months before the first cases started appearing in the US, and yet so many cities and states are still acting as if this is something new or unique.

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piratedan  Nov 17, 2020 • 11:29:43pm

well if COVID keeps killing people at the rate it does, we may have to declassify Wyoming as a state due to depopulation dropping it into being only designated as a Territory…..

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thecommodore  Nov 17, 2020 • 11:34:33pm

Paul Waldman makes my earlier point perfectly. Money quote:

The difference between the two parties on this question is just extraordinary. As I’ve said in other contexts, Republicans are the party of “Yes we can” while Democrats are the party of “Maybe we shouldn’t.” They’re forever afraid that someone will criticize them or that being too tough will backfire, something Republicans never worry about.

Which leads to this disheartening line in the NBC News story:

One of the reasons [Biden] has given aides is that he believes investigations would alienate the more than 73 million Americans who voted for Trump, the people familiar with the discussions said.

You have got to be kidding me.

Those 73 million Americans voted for the most corrupt president in American history, a con man and a liar and a bigot and a tax cheat and a sexual predator and someone who as we speak is poisoning our democracy on his way out the door. And Biden is worried that exposing his misdeeds will hurt their feelings?

We can’t simply act as though the four-year ordeal we all just lived through was nothing but a bad dream. We need to understand the full scope of the damage and how our system failed to stop it. In some cases, that will involve investigating Donald Trump and those who helped him, and if there’s a way to hold them accountable, that’s just what we should do. It’s not a distraction. It’s an obligation.

The reason the GOP is the party of “Yes we can,” is because no one has ever told them “No you can’t,” and the result has been increasing GOP cynicism, criminality, and now flat out embrace white nationalism and authoritarianism. Ford pardoned Nixon. HW pardoned (at Barr’s insistence) a slew of Iran-Contra criminals. Obama let the Bush crime family walk. And if Biden poo-poos Trump criminality, American democracy may have just gotten a four year reprieve, with Trump, or someone worse waiting in the wings in 2024 to pick up where Fat Donnie left off.

This shit must end NOW!

Trump will leave office soon. But we can’t let him escape accountability for his misdeeds.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 11:35:02pm

The Republicans politicising masks made it into Scottsbluff City Council’s debate, with bullshyte talking points already debunked.

Bruner and Holloway spent considerable time addressing mask efficacy, and how COVID-19 is dissimilar to the flu.

Council members Terry Schaub and Shaver said they were opposed to a mask mandate, and often repeated that a mandate was too broad and would require people to mask on private property.

Bruner pushed back on those assertions, saying wearing a mask was important to protect vulnerable people in the community.

“A simple step to wear masks and to have hand hygiene and do the different things is not too much to ask,” Bruner said. “And you want to talk about liberty, we all wear seat belts, we all abide by the speed limit, we don’t go around shooting people because ‘I have freedom of choice, I’m going to go shoot everybody,’ those are reasonable things for a society,

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 17, 2020 • 11:44:46pm

re: #119 thecommodore

Counterpoint from the wingnut caucus at the Washington Post:

An eight-point plan for Trump to leave the presidency and win it back in 2024 (Marc Thiessen)

President Trump has every right to pursue recounts and legal challenges to the 2020 election. But he needs to realize these challenges won’t change the final result. This is not 2000, when just 537 votes in a single state determined the result. The president would need to overcome a deficit of tens of thousands of votes in three states to win. That will not happen.

So, Trump needs a way forward. How he exits the White House could leave an indelible impression on voters’ minds. No one likes a sore loser. Here is an eight-point plan for how Trump can leave the presidency with the best chance to reclaim it in four years.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:18:48am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:32:03am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:40:34am

re: #118 piratedan

well if COVID keeps killing people at the rate it does, we may have to declassify Wyoming as a state due to depopulation dropping it into being only designated as a Territory…..

The 1787 Northwest Ordinance established a minimum population to create a state out of that territory (60,000), but the Constitution itself is silent on the matter of the number of people to create a state.

Mostly the criteria were during slavery that a slave state had to be pared with a free state in order for both to be admitted to the Union to maintain the balance of power.

In the Civil War and Reconstruction, with Democrats out of the government, the GOP used their power to admit eight new states.

After Reconstruction was over, pairing off states has been based on party alignment, admitting a Republican-controlled and a Democratic-controlled state to maintain the balance of power.

There is no particular requirement to admit a state, however. The proposed state must submit a constitution representing a republican form of government which is approved. After that, simple majorities in both houses can admit the state. States may not be created out of existing states without approval of the state legislature and the proposed new state, nor may states be joined together without approval of both state legislatures.

Boundary disputes are settled by the Supreme Court (the Toledo Strip, Ellis Island, Carter Lake Iowa being examples).

The claim West Virginia is not a legally-constituted state arises from a Supreme Court case called Virginia v West Virginia in 1871, specifically the dissent (the case was decided 6-3). The Qnut congressman who claims West Virginia is not a state relies on the dissent in that case (though dissents do not hold the force of law).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:43:27am

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

Sometimes The Onion is just the thing.
local.theonion.com
No Amount Of Training Could Have Prepared Cat For First Experience Seeing Mouse In Real Life

My friends had a full-on apartment cat. They even went so far as to buy it a white mouse from a pet shop so it could learn what it was like to catch a live mouse. The cat panicked and hid from the sacrificial mouse. He was given the name “Jackpot” and went on to live out his full but rather short life expectancy.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:46:01am

re: #119 thecommodore

Paul Waldman makes my earlier point perfectly. Money quote:

The reason the GOP is the party of “Yes we can,” is because no one has ever told them “No you can’t,” and the result has been increasing GOP cynicism, criminality, and now flat out embrace white nationalism and authoritarianism. Ford pardoned Nixon. HW pardoned (at Barr’s insistence) a slew of Iran-Contra criminals. Obama let the Bush crime family walk. And if Biden poo-poos Trump criminality, American democracy may have just gotten a four year reprieve, with Trump, or someone worse waiting in the wings in 2024 to pick up where Fat Donnie left off.

This shit must end NOW!

Trump will leave office soon. But we can’t let him escape accountability for his misdeeds.

Fiat justitia ruat caelum. “Let justice be done though the heavens fall.”

There should be no talk of pardons, or of “going easy” on Trump and his goons, and certainly no talk about either should be done to “move on.” People are dead, our institutions have been undermined at every turn, our justice system turned into a mockery of itself, and an administration so sure it would face no consequences that the fucking Attorney General responded to the Speaker of the House about being held in contempt by snarkily asking her where the cuffs were.

My best suggestion to Biden is “let the chips fall where they may.” The DOJ should be free once again to act independently of the WH, rather than being used as a political arm of such. If they should find evidence that the Trump admin committed criminal acts, then they should be free to pursue whatever course of action they deem fitting. Same goes with Congress, the House and (if we take the majority) Senate should not have to worry about WH interference in their investigations. Again, let them follow the evidence and take the steps they feel necessary. The problem the last four years is not so much that all the above were investigating Trump’s “enemies,” it’s that they did so because he demanded them to do so.

Investigations were conducted in the wake of Watergate, and many laws were created or updated to address not only criminal acts by executive branch members by also to address corruption in the gov’t as a whole. We just spent the last 4 years watching many of those laws flouted, ignored, violated, and even stomped flat. If we don’t do something to fix all that, which requires investigations to determine what was done and how to prevent it in the future, then next go around we might find ourselves watching helplessly as somebody competent installs themself as “President for Life.”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:46:01am

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The 1787 Northwest Ordinance established a minimum population to create a state out of that territory (60,000), but the Constitution itself is silent on the matter of the number of people to create a state.

Mostly the criteria were during slavery that a slave state had to be pared with a free state in order for both to be admitted to the Union to maintain the balance of power.

In the Civil War and Reconstruction, with Democrats out of the government, the GOP used their power to admit eight new states.

After Reconstruction was over, pairing off states has been based on party alignment, admitting a Republican-controlled and a Democratic-controlled state to maintain the balance of power.

There is no particular requirement to admit a state, however. The proposed state must submit a constitution representing a republican form of government which is approved. After that, simple majorities in both houses can admit the state. States may not be created out of existing states without approval of the state legislature and the proposed new state, nor may states be joined together without approval of both state legislatures.

Boundary disputes are settled by the Supreme Court (the Toledo Strip, Ellis Island, Carter Lake Iowa being examples).

The claim West Virginia is not a legally-constituted state arises from a Supreme Court case called Virginia v West Virginia in 1871, specifically the dissent (the case was decided 6-3). The Qnut congressman who claims West Virginia is not a state relies on the dissent in that case (though dissents do not hold the force of law).

I was just thinking of the Dakotas earlier today and maybe we need to set a minimum population for a state at 1-1.5 million people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:50:59am

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Today by the way is my wife’s birthday. We decided to spend the day together at home, like we usually do.

Best way to celebrate a birthday

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:54:17am

re: #122 Dread Pirate Ron

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This really is the sort of shit you expect to see in videos of old East Bloc countries or third-world banana republics when the dictator dies/suddenly removed from power. The state mouthpieces reporting about how the supporters of the old regime are stricken with grief, despondent, and angry over how their “dear leader” is gone.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:59:43am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Best way to celebrate a birthday

This year we celebrated birthdays with restaurant delivery by DoorDash.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:02:08am

re: #130 Dread Pirate Ron

This year we celebrated birthdays with restaurant delivery by DoorDash.

I have a very good pizzeria down the road that delivers. They helped celebrate my birthday this year.

If you guys ever make it here we will definitely order from there and take down to the river.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:07:31am

Hah, Chevron Gas Stations deliver food, in case you get a hankerin for gas station burritos, I guess.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:08:39am

re: #127 Dread Pirate Ron

I was just thinking of the Dakotas earlier today and maybe we need to set a minimum population for a state at 1-1.5 million people.

There was another organised territory which required a minimum number of free residents to become a state, the Territory South of the River Ohio (May 26, 1790 to June 1, 1796, when it was admitted as the State of Tennessee).

The Southwest Territory as it was more commonly known followed the Northwest Ordinance (with the exception of the ban on slavery), requiring a territorial legislature when the territory had 5,000 adult males, and permission to seek statehood when the population was 60,000 (excluding slaves).

As for putting in a minimum population, that would require a constitutional amendment, so start counting to thirteen states with a lower population than that and when you reach it, the amendment fails.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:18:42am

re: #132 Dread Pirate Ron

Hah, Chevron Gas Stations deliver food, in case you get a hankerin for gas station burritos, I guess.

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I’m rather disappointed I can’t get Gas Station burritos delivered.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:21:37am

re: #132 Dread Pirate Ron

Hah, Chevron Gas Stations deliver food, in case you get a hankerin for gas station burritos, I guess.

[Embedded content]

Sushi.

I’m off to bed. I’ll catch y’all later.

Iota has been downgraded to a tropical depression over El Salvador. It is now expected to make it to the Pacific Ocean, though probably as a post-tropical depression. The water conditions are not good for redevelopment.

SUMMARY OF 300 AM CST…0900 UTC…INFORMATION
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LOCATION…13.7N 88.3W
ABOUT 20 MI…35 KM NW OF EL PAPALON EL SALVADOR
ABOUT 55 MI…90 KM E OF SAN SALVADOR EL SALVADOR
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS…35 MPH…55 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT…WSW OR 255 DEGREES AT 13 MPH…20 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE…1007 MB…29.74 INCHES

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:28:21am

So the Lutheran Church in Germany has decided to rename the upcoming Totensonntag (Sunday of the Dead) to Ewigkeitssonntag (Eternal Sunday)
I hate to say it, but for all the appeal of Eternal Sunday, I still like Sunday of the Dead…

137
Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:31:28am

Still folding Covid-19 molecules 24-7 after 7.5 months for the money shot or whatever.

Oh, I’m told it’s called the moon shot.

138
Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:57:11am
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Jack Burton  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:14:33am

re: #138 Dread Pirate Ron

The “non-public” schedule for Trump is probably something like this:

Get up
Spend 2 hours sculpting his clown hair into that thing he does.
Tweet lies and conspiracy theories while taking morning shit.
Watch Fox and Friends from beginning to end.
Tweet rants about whatever he heard on Fox and Friends for 4 hours.
Call Fox and ask for some random Fox person to be fired for saying Biden won.
Golf.
Tweet while sitting on the toilet for a hour.
Watch Cucker Tarlson and Sean Insanity.
Tweet some more bullshit about how he won.
Pass out after downing a handful of drugs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:31:09am

re: #139 Jack Burton

The “non-public” schedule for Trump is probably something like this:

Get up
Spend 2 hours sculpting his clown hair into that thing he does.
Tweet lies and conspiracy theories while taking morning shit.
Watch Fox and Friends from beginning to end.
Tweet rants about whatever he heard on Fox and Friends for 4 hours.
Call Fox and ask for some random Fox person to be fired for saying Biden won.
Golf.
Tweet while sitting on the toilet for a hour.
Watch Cucker Tarlson and Sean Insanity.
Tweet some more bullshit about how he won.
Pass out after downing a handful of drugs.

Your left out ranting and raving about how Steiner’s offensive was an ORDER and that was treason!!!

141
ericblair  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:40:48am

The price of craziness and cowardice.

142
dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:45:37am

Typical
Bumbling incompetence makes it way worse than necessary
Hundreds of thousands die needlessly
No direct involvement in actually creating a vaccine

And wants all the glory and he “fumes” biden will get the credit

As prospects for an effective vaccination for the coronavirus have improved for the coming year, Donald Trump has grown outwardly resentful that he won’t be in the Oval Office to take the credit for it,” the Daily Beast reports.

“The president had said he envisioned large, public, mask-free events—particularly when the weather grew warmer in, what he anticipated to be, a second term—and rallies to celebrate the successes of Operation Warp Speed, the public-private partnership to develop a vaccine. When distribution began, Trump had wanted to be directly involved in the vaccine’s promotion, gaming out a video campaign about the safety and success of his operation

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:09:30am

re: #142 dangerman

Typical
Bumbling incompetence makes it way worse than necessary
Hundreds of thousands die needlessly
No direct involvement in actually creating a vaccine

And wants all the glory and he “fumes” biden will get the credit

…like he got the credit for the economic recovery that Obama/Biden kicked off?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:11:22am

re: #142 dangerman

When distribution began, Trump had wanted to be directly involved in the vaccine’s promotion, gaming out a video campaign about the safety and success of his operation

How much ‘splodey-head would this have generated among his antivaxer supporters?

I don’t even wanna think about what Biden will have to go through to even begin to convince these people to take their medicine.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:21:35am

re: #136 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So the Lutheran Church in Germany has decided to rename the upcoming Totensonntag (Sunday of the Dead) to Ewigkeitssonntag (Eternal Sunday)
I hate to say it, but for all the appeal of Eternal Sunday, I still like Sunday of the Dead…

I first read that as Ewokeitssonntag and I was like, WTF?

146
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:24:22am

Dion was immensely popular in the early 1960’s, but one of his songs that I think is among his best doesn’t get played as much. It did show up as a theme song in a very short lived 1990’s TV series (which is how I was reminded of it):

Dion - (I Was) Born To Cry

..

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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:25:00am

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How much ‘splodey-head would this have generated among his antivaxer supporters?

I don’t even wanna think about what Biden will have to go through to even begin to convince these people to take their medicine.

When it comes to anti-vaxxers, they won’t, and it wouldn’t matter if Trump was president or anyone else. Honestly, I kinda don’t have a problem with this. Once the vaccine has wide distribution among the rest of us and the country fully reopens, then they can all get sick and I can feel less bad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:28:54am

re: #147 thedopefishlives

When it comes to anti-vaxxers, they won’t, and it wouldn’t matter if Trump was president or anyone else. Honestly, I kinda don’t have a problem with this. Once the vaccine has wide distribution among the rest of us and the country fully reopens, then they can all get sick and I can feel less bad.

There will be people who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons who will still be endangered by people refusing the vaccine

(This is what “herd immunity” is supposed to be about and shows how the terms was basically hijacked to promote an irresponsible policy)

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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:29:40am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There will be people who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons who will still be endangered by people refusing the vaccine

(This is what “herd immunity” is supposed to be about and shows how the terms was basically hijacked to promote an irresponsible policy)

Ugh, good point, but why did you have to make me grow a conscience at 5:30 in the morning///

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:29:51am

re: #146 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Dion was immensely popular in the early 1960’s, then he dropped the last letter of his name and went on to hard-rock fame

..

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:44:05am
152
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:46:34am

re: #151 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

el condor, que pasa?

153
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:47:33am

Fucking republcans.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:50:24am

re: #153 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

State GOP lawmakers say they’ll seek to impeach Whitmer

failing that, they can kidnap her

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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:51:03am

re: #153 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Fucking republcans.

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Impeach Whitmer? Name the crime. Oh, wait, I got it - “being a liberal woman in America”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:52:33am

re: #153 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Arizona GOP seeks to temporarily bar Maricopa Co. from certifying election results

Finally, a Presidential election in which my vote finally counts for something and they want to throw out results (although I am registered in Pima County)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:52:36am

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was so heartwarming to watch. Really, I loved seeing that first thing in the morning.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:59:30am

re: #153 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

The GOP’s ever-increasing desperation is truly something to behold. Something disgusting, to be sure, but….something.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:00:48am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

then he dropped the last letter of his name and went on to hard-rock fame

Well, in an alternative universe.

In this universe, Dion got all fundy and went Je$u$, though I think he is now an RC.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:03:46am

I really want this fucker investigated.

161
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:24:49am

Skills

162
Patricia Kayden  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:37:57am

re: #160 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

But like other Republicans, he’ll skate because IOKIYAR.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:38:01am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:42:53am
165
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:47:19am

Trump hate tweets in 3…2…1…

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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:51:02am

re: #165 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Trump hate tweets in 3…2…1…

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That’s just it: Neither Trump nor the rest of the GOP leadership want the country’s best interest. They’re only looking out for their own best interest. They haven’t figured out yet that their own best interest isn’t being served by the path they’re taking, but they’re too short-sighted to realize it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:52:51am

re: #165 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

“…so we don’t drop the ball in a little while.”

The ball was dropped 4 years ago.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:55:29am

re: #163 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Hard to place the musical genre in that performance. While obviously drawing on traditional Chinese musical instrumentation, the piece itself sounds strongly influenced by modern cinema soundtracks and Romantic era composers.

169
jeffreyw  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:56:09am

Good morning!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:58:31am

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

The GOP’s ever-increasing desperation is truly something to behold. Something disgusting, to be sure, but….something.

And when the Trump backers I know on FB start to whine about Biden, etc. I am going to beat them over the head with this stuff. It’s not both-siderism since the Democratic legislatures didn’t try this in 2016 with arguably narrower voter margins (plus winning the overall popular vote.)

Will it have much effect? Probably not. Just want to see whether I can get any of them to openly admit they are anti-democracy and/or lack any sense of civic duty and integrity.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:02:43am

re: #170 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And when the Trump backers I know on FB start to whine about Biden, etc. I am going to beat them over the head with this stuff. It’s not both-siderism since the Democratic legislatures didn’t try this in 2016 with arguably narrower voter margins (plus winning the overall popular vote.)

Will it have much effect? Probably not. Just want to see whether I can get any of them to openly admit they are anti-democracy and/or lack any sense of civic duty and integrity.

“We are a republic, not a democracy” has been a hard-right mantra for 50 years or more. Democracy as a value peaked during FDR’s admin.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:06:22am

So I have an order from Amazon to be delivered tomorrow [edit: TODAY] and I go check the status.

Yes, status says it was shipped.

But then I look at an earlier action:

11:15 PM
Package departed an Amazon facility Mira Loma, CA US

9:45 PM
Package arrived at an Amazon facility Itapevi, SP BR

Wait… what? How can a package be in Brazil at 9:45PM and then in Mira Loma at 11:15PM?

Even if the Brazilian location is in the equivalent of the US Eastern time zone, that only gets 4.5 hours of travel time, which seems too little for something to come from southern Brazil to California.

And what did I order that is coming from Brazil? My entire order is composed of (American branded and I thought US packaged) nutritional supplements that are usually stocked in most US Amazon warehouses.

These kinds of things make me question how long our high-tech highly-connected society can keep its collective shoes tied.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:08:20am

I wonder what fresh hell awaits us today.

174
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:10:14am

Read this thread

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:10:29am

re: #166 thedopefishlives

That’s just it: Neither Trump nor the rest of the GOP leadership want the country’s best interest. They’re only looking out for their own best interest. They haven’t figured out yet that their own best interest isn’t being served by the path they’re taking, but they’re too short-sighted to realize it.

For much of the GOP, this is a sticky wicket: they need Trump’s active support for the upcoming GA runoff elections and dare not enrage his pre-school wrath by asking him to finally admit that he lost and step aside.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:10:38am

re: #171 Decatur Deb

“We are a republic, not a democracy” has been a hard-right mantra for 50 years or more. Democracy as a value peaked during FDR’s admin.

First one who tosses that out will quickly learn I have few fucks to give. These are people with college educations who I can directly challenge regarding character and honesty if they start tossing out oratory hairsplitting bullshit like that.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:11:34am

re: #165 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Trump hate tweets in 3…2…1…

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Its amazing how much distrust Trump and the GOP have created by not conceding and challenging the results everywhere. Its even gotten me to doubt the eventual outcome, he made the word “president-elect” sound iffy.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:12:33am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

For much of the GOP, this is a sticky wicket: they need Trump’s active support for the upcoming GA runoff elections and dare not enrage his pre-school wrath by asking him to finally admit that he lost and step aside.

And then the GOP has the follow-on fight regarding control of the RNC. Letting the Trump Clan gain control, or even a degree of influence, in that is going to be poisonous for them going forward.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:12:50am

re: #177 Sir John Barron

Its amazing how much distrust Trump and the GOP have created by not conceding and challenging the results everywhere. Its even gotten me to doubt the eventual outcome, he made the word “president-elect” sound iffy.

That’s what they want. Don’t let them.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:13:48am

re: #178 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And then the GOP has the follow-on fight regarding control of the RNC. Letting the Trump Clan gain control, or even a degree of influence, in that is going to be poisonous for them going forward.

The trumps want a slush fund. 50% for them, 50% to the GOP.

181
Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:14:21am

I’ll admit even i in my substantial cynicism hadn’t anticipated the degree to which Trump and his enablers would descend in this post election campaign.

182
Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:17:34am

re: #181 Sir John Barron

I’ll admit even i in my substantial cynicism hadn’t anticipated the degree to which Trump and his enablers would descend in this post election campaign.

It’s hard to put up with, and carries some real risks, but the GOP is dissolving its moral stance every day that Trump acts out. They are losing their fig-leaf.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:19:19am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

It’s hard to put up with, and carries some real risks, but the GOP is dissolving its moral stance every day that Trump acts out. They are losing their fig-leaf.

yeah I hope so, the ratfocking is being done right out in the open.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:23:45am

re: #173 Sir John Barron

I wonder what fresh hell awaits us today.

[rudy] Another day, another 20 Grand [/rudy]

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:23:54am

re: #183 Sir John Barron

yeah I hope so, the ratfocking is being done right out in the open.

The sane-but-squishy middle knows they’re being bullshitted. Eventually they will react with revulsion. I’m actually somewhat afraid of an intolerant reformist wave over the next couple decades.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:25:07am

I’m just trying to bookmark all of this craziness for when the GOP and media insist that Dems adhere to some set of norms in the future.

187
Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:26:45am

re: #186 Sir John Barron

I’m just trying to bookmark all of this craziness for when the GOP and media insist that Dems adhere to some set of norms in the future.

The important book on the Trump era hasn’t been written. It will be a comic novel (or video game).

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:29:14am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

The sane-but-squishy middle knows they’re being bullshitted. Eventually they will react with revulsion. I’m actually somewhat afraid of an intolerant reformist wave over the next couple decades.

I’m genuinely grateful there was an uprising last night in response to the initial decision by the Wayne County canvassing board to not certify. More of this please.

Also, who ever knew that something called a canvassing board existed or had such leeway. The anti-democratic forces have, and have had, innumerable check points as it were to thwart progress and basic fairness.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:29:43am

re: #181 Sir John Barron

I’ll admit even i in my substantial cynicism hadn’t anticipated the degree to which Trump and his enablers would descend in this post election campaign.

Hang tough.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:30:48am

re: #184 b.d. (We Won!)

[rudy] Another day, another 20 Grand [/rudy]

Rudy hasn’t figured out that trump never pays.

He might as well say he’s getting a billion dollars a day.

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lizardofid  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:40:39am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

The sane-but-squishy middle knows they’re being bullshitted. Eventually they will react with revulsion. I’m actually somewhat afraid of an intolerant reformist wave over the next couple decades.

That pesky pendulum. : (

192
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:42:36am

Anyone?

193
BlueSpotinAL  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:46:18am

re: #109 William Lewis

Rather appropriate really - a horrific acting job for a horrific person.

Maggie Thatcher died when I was staying at a B&B in New Orleans run by a British ex-pat and his Cajun wife. I was surprised by how he was not sorry one bit.

194
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:50:09am

It’s awake

195
dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:50:59am

re: #139 Jack Burton

The “non-public” schedule for Trump is probably something like this:

Get up
Spend 2 hours sculpting his clown hair into that thing he does.
Tweet lies and conspiracy theories while taking morning shit.
Watch Fox and Friends from beginning to end.
Tweet rants about whatever he heard on Fox and Friends for 4 hours.
Call Fox and ask for some random Fox person to be fired for saying Biden won.
Golf.
Tweet while sitting on the toilet for a hour.
Watch Cucker Tarlson and Sean Insanity.
Tweet some more bullshit about how he won.
Pass out after downing a handful of drugs.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:51:15am

re: #37 Patricia Kayden

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As long as we know the speed, trajectory and don’t use any decoy releases?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:51:46am

re: #194 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s awake

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Pivot?

//

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:54:19am

re: #174 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

She didn’t anticipate the dumbfuckery of other parents who would knowingly spread covid because they’d send their kid out there knowing that other family members have covid.

And now everyone’s gotta quarantine and worry about whether their kinds may get covid, suffer lasting consequences of a disease we’re still just beginning to understand, etc.

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mmmirele  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:59:55am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Finally, a Presidential election in which my vote finally counts for something and they want to throw out results (although I am registered in Pima County)

I’m registered in Maricopa County, as is my mother and my brother. And a lot of my coworkers. I’m fairly incandescent about this turn of events. I’m SO TIRED of these Republicans playing games with our votes. Even GOP state attorney general Brnovich has no issues with the election. But we have these Trump worshipers like Kelli Ward, who is the current head of the state party, and I can’t even….

200
Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:00:13am

Saw a FB post by historian Heather Cox Richardson in which she referred to DJT, accurately, as the lame-duck president.

I hope more people in the media would start to apply this accurate label in the next few days and weeks.

201
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:02:53am

re: #194 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

…AND I WON THE ELECTION. VOTER FRAUD ALL OVER THE COUNTRY!

This really shows what we are dealing with.

He could, fully in keeping with reason and decorum, remind us that the results are not yet official and finalized and that he is presenting legal challenges that could cause the outcome to vary from the predictions made by major news networks.

Such a statement would not warrant a red-letter warning from Twitter

But instead, he is stamping his feet and throwing tantrums.

202
lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:03:24am

re: #200 Sir John Barron

Lame duck a la Orange flambe.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:06:45am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This really shows what we are dealing with.

He could, fully in keeping with reason and decorum, remind us that the results are not yet official and finalized and that he is presenting legal challenges that could cause the outcome to vary from the predictions made by major news networks.

Such a statement would not warrant a red-letter warning from Twitter

But instead, he is stamping his feet and throwing tantrums.

George H.W. Bush and Jimmy Carter are presidents who have lost re-election in my lifetime and the thought of either of those two responding in the way DJT has is impossible to imagine.

Other elections have been close, I think of 2012, and I never stopped to think that Romney might try to ratf0ck his way to winning some how. No, he conceded immediately and the country moved on.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:08:39am

There was the 2000 election of course, but the controversy there was comparatively straightforward in regards to an exact count in one state, and both candidates behaved generously by any measure compared to the demagogic tantrums being waged by DJT.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:11:58am

On the other hand, could I or anyone conclude based on the last four years that DJT was going to accept any election defeat, no matter the margin, and no matter when the race was “called”, either early on election night or days/weeks later?

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:13:45am

re: #174 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Read this thread

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Here is the fail:
“The league took all the precautions they needed to, “

Need to? No.
they took the precautions everyone rationalized down to what they figured would be enough

The real question is why are you gambling the risk to your kid’s life and health against a season of soccer?

Knowing this could happen
Is it just because you think it won’t happen to you?

Anyone can get it
Anyone can die from it
anyone can survive it

All the rationalization in the world does not change those three facts

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:14:43am

re: #177 Sir John Barron

Its amazing how much distrust Trump and the GOP have created by not conceding and challenging the results everywhere. Its even gotten me to doubt the eventual outcome, he made the word “president-elect” sound iffy.

Ask in 6 months how many of those people still believe trump “won”

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:15:28am

re: #205 Sir John Barron

On the other hand, could I or anyone conclude based on the last four years that DJT was going to accept any election defeat, no matter the margin?

Trump made it explicit back in 2017 that he wouldn’t consider any election valid if he didn’t win.

He’s a fucking fascist. The only election he and the GOP now consider valid are the ones they win. Everyone who votes against them is considered illegitimate.

It’s part of their long term strategy - which is to deny persons of color their rights, particularly to vote. By doing so, the GOP would deny Democrats’ their core voting bloc. That would wreck the Democrats and their national ambitions and allow the GOP to retain power indefinitely despite truly being a minority party that hasn’t won a national popular vote in years.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:17:07am

re: #198 lawhawk

She didn’t anticipate the dumbfuckery of other parents who would knowingly spread covid because they’d send their kid out there knowing that other family members have covid.

And now everyone’s gotta quarantine and worry about whether their kinds may get covid, suffer lasting consequences of a disease we’re still just beginning to understand, etc.

I want to feel sympathy for her, I do. She’s doing all the right things. And I guess I do. But seriously, how can you be so stupid?

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:17:23am

re: #192 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Anyone?

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Trump sues twitter:
I am a world leader
Who says a leader has to currently be in elected office?

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Jay C  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:17:58am

re: #207 dangerman

Ask in 6 months how many of those people still believe trump “won”

Sadly, that number is likely to measure in the tens of millions.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:19:15am

re: #208 lawhawk

Trump made it explicit back in 2017 that he wouldn’t consider any election valid if he didn’t win.

He’s a fucking fascist. The only election he and the GOP now consider valid are the ones they win. Everyone who votes against them is considered illegitimate.

It’s part of their long term strategy - which is to deny persons of color their rights, particularly to vote. By doing so, the GOP would deny Democrats’ their core voting bloc. That would wreck the Democrats and their national ambitions and allow the GOP to retain power indefinitely despite truly being a minority party that hasn’t won a national popular vote in years.

Yeah he spent the whole 2016 complaining it was “rigged”, almost anticipating he would lose it.

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:19:32am

re: #202 lawhawk

Lame duck a la Orange flambe.

We’re going with duck for Thanksgiving

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:19:39am

re: #209 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’ve got a friend whose kids are involved in competitive league sports, and I worry for their kids because even if they do everything right, the other kids and their parents might not.

Why chance any of this? Are sports so fucking important that you’d ruin your life for it? /rhetorical - the answer is apparently a resounding yes given all the people who play football knowing that it can leave you permanently harmed.

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:20:05am

re: #203 Sir John Barron

George H.W. Bush and Jimmy Carter are presidents who have lost re-election in my lifetime and the thought of either of those two responding in the way DJT has is impossible to imagine.

Other elections have been close, I think of 2012, and I never stopped to think that Romney might try to ratf0ck his way to winning some how. No, he conceded immediately and the country moved on.

Adults

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:21:16am

re: #71 🌹UOJB!

What really bums me out is my 65th birthday is on January 31st and I had planned to travel up and down the west coast on Amtrak’s Coast Starlight and top it off with a birthday dinner at the Seattle Space Needle.

First Amtrak had to cancel, train service reduced and overbooked.

Then The Space Needle restaurant is closed.

Then the backup plan was to dine at The Pacific Dining Car in Los Angeles (now closed)

Then I made reservations at Musso & Frank Grill (now cancelled)

Then I made reservation for a birthday dinner at Rao’s Hollywood (And that just closed due to COVID yesterday).

Guess I just get to sleep in on my birthday…

You can apply for Medicare!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:23:24am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:23:47am

re: #207 dangerman

Ask in 6 months how many of those people still believe trump “won”

They believe that he won the popular vote in 2016
They believe Covid is a hoax
Getting them to believe that he won 2020 is child’s play…

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ericblair  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:24:50am

re: #204 Sir John Barron

There was the 2000 election of course, but the controversy there was comparatively straightforward in regards to an exact count in one state, and both candidates behaved generously by any measure compared to the demagogic tantrums being waged by DJT.

Yeah, but let’s not whitewash the 2000 election. That was very close, but it was stolen by the conservatives on the Supreme Court where Sandra Day O’Connor decided she didn’t want to wait for another Republican President so she could retire.

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:24:53am

re: #209 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I want to feel sympathy for her, I do. She’s doing all the right things. And I guess I do. But seriously, how can you be so stupid?

People think they are finding reasonable solutions against a virus and much of the population that are not reasonable

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:25:22am

re: #214 lawhawk

I’ve got a friend whose kids are involved in competitive league sports, and I worry for their kids because even if they do everything right, the other kids and their parents might not.

Why chance any of this? Are sports so fucking important that you’d ruin your life for it? /rhetorical - the answer is apparently a resounding yes given all the people who play football knowing that it can leave you permanently harmed.

Nothing, NOTHING, is more important than protecting your own, which also protects society as a whole.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:28:58am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They believe that he won the popular vote in 2016
They believe Covid is a hoax
Getting them to believe that he won 2020 is child’s play…

It would be timely to use their credulity to mount a campaign for true bulletproof design of the election process. Screw states’ rights. If we can’t put credit back into everyone’s vote, there’s not much to base a future on.

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stpaulbear  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:29:39am

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:29:48am

re: #214 lawhawk

I’ve got a friend whose kids are involved in competitive league sports, and I worry for their kids because even if they do everything right, the other kids and their parents might not.

Why chance any of this? Are sports so fucking important that you’d ruin your life for it? /rhetorical - the answer is apparently a resounding yes given all the people who play football knowing that it can leave you permanently harmed.

Imo there is no “everything right”

It’s already too late once the decision has been made to participate in a non necessary non critical activity

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:30:10am

re: #219 ericblair

Yeah, but let’s not whitewash the 2000 election. That was very close, but it was stolen by the conservatives on the Supreme Court where Sandra Day O’Connor decided she didn’t want to wait for another Republican President so she could retire.

Hell I saw now Chief of Staff, Ron Klain acknowledge he’ll never really get over that. And I don’t blame him. The trajectory of our world changed forever in 2000.

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stpaulbear  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:30:51am

re: #213 dangerman

We’re going with duck for Thanksgiving

I’m going with duck and cover for Thanksgiving.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:32:02am

re: #187 Decatur Deb

The important book on the Trump era hasn’t been written. It will be a comic novel (or video game).

The Death of Donald.

(A black comedy in the vein of Death of Stalin about how the GOP squabbles for power in the wake of him dying before the 2024 election, Mike Pence is the perfect Malenkov who should in theory be the heir apparent but will be brushed aside due to a lack of charisma.)

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:34:35am

re: #221 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Nothing, NOTHING, is more important than protecting your own, which also protects society as a whole.

+ A bunch

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:35:32am

re: #227 jamesfirecat

The Death of Donald.

(A black comedy in the vein of Death of Stalin about how the GOP squabbles for power in the wake of him dying before the 2024 election, Mike Pence is the perfect Malenkov who should in theory be the heir apparent but will be brushed aside due to a lack of charisma.)

I still contend that a Coen Brothers like film would do this justice. Hell the Election was even won in the Midwest.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:35:52am

Unfu…. totally fucking believable. I knew that name sounded familiar.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:37:36am

re: #230 lawhawk

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Unfu…. totally fucking believable. I knew that name sounded familiar.

These people can’t be gone soon enough, Volume XXVIIILLX

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:38:42am

My new little grandson “46” is receiving his snip & name, watching on Zoom.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:43:09am

re: #217 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

A Ben Shapiro within a Jacob Wohl within a Charlie Kirk is called a turduckincel.

turdcuckincel

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:43:19am

Ezra Joshua!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:44:05am

re: #222 Decatur Deb

It would be timely to use their credulity to mount a campaign for true bulletproof design of the election process. Screw states’ rights. If we can’t put credit back into everyone’s vote, there’s not much to base a future on.

We need a set of binding national standards, leave it up to the states to fulfill them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:44:48am

re: #227 jamesfirecat

The Death of Donald.

(A black comedy in the vein of Death of Stalin about how the GOP squabbles for power in the wake of him dying before the 2024 election, Mike Pence is the perfect Malenkov who should in theory be the heir apparent but will be brushed aside due to a lack of charisma.)

He is already lying in a puddle of iniquity…

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:47:14am

re: #141 ericblair

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The price of craziness and cowardice.

As I said in a previous thread, that map looks close to the one tRump likes to show off of his 2016 electoral victory.

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lizardofid  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:49:29am

re: #108 BeachDem

I love The Crown, but Gillian Anderson’s Margaret Thatcher is getting on my last nerve. There’s been mixed reaction, but I think she is just terrible—almost comically terrible. YMMV.

To me the “Iron Lady” probably deserves anything they might heap on her. There seemed a particularly destructive synergy between her and that cockroach Murdoch.

[spit]

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:50:20am
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lizardofid  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:50:54am

re: #222 Decatur Deb

It would be timely to use their credulity to mount a campaign for true bulletproof design of the election process. Screw states’ rights. If we can’t put credit back into everyone’s vote, there’s not much to base a future on.

That deserves some serious workshop.

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:52:20am

re: #234 The Pie Overlord!

Ezra Joshua!

Mazel tov

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:54:32am

re: #238 lizardofid

To me the “Iron Lady” probably deserves anything they might heap on her. There seemed a particularly destructive synergy between her and that cockroach Murdoch.

[spit]

I think Thatcher’s indifferent attitude to right wing authoritarians is something that gets white washed. I mean she begged the UK to take in Pinochet before Chile could prosecute him. That’s a significant difference between her and Merkel who IMO is the most consequential democratically elected leader of the last 20 years worldwide..

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:57:08am

Anyone know what this was about?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:58:06am

re: #200 Sir John Barron

Trump is still firing people, removing troops from
hotspots, replacing personnel, etc. Doesn’t quite feel that he’s all that “lame duck”.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:58:32am

re: #243 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Not specifically, but the theme for the last couple days has been to make him the second coming of Rev. Wright.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:58:40am

re: #244 Patricia Kayden

Trump is still firing people, removing troops from
hotspots, replacing personnel, etc. Doesn’t quite feel that he’s all that “lame duck”.

yeah two months to go…..

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:58:51am

re: #244 Patricia Kayden

Trump is still firing people, removing troops from
hotspots, replacing personnel, etc. Doesn’t quite feel that he’s all that “lame duck”.

No, instead he’s a headless chicken.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:58:58am
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:59:47am

The mahatenesta (that’s a Yiddish word for “my kid’s mother-in-law”) just asked me “Who is the baby named for? There’s no one with that name in our family!” and I’m like “not our family either!” and my son comes on and says “We picked the name because we like it!”

So welcome little Ezra Joshua!

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:59:48am

re: #219 ericblair

Yeah, but let’s not whitewash the 2000 election. That was very close, but it was stolen by the conservatives on the Supreme Court where Sandra Day O’Connor decided she didn’t want to wait for another Republican President so she could retire.

It was stolen before that; it was stolen when Katherine Harris wrongfully struck tens of thousands of Black voters from the rolls…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:00:36am

Answer

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:01:10am

re: #247 jamesfirecat

No, instead he’s a headless chicken.

Well let’s hope that the headless chicken doesn’t find the football. More seriously. All this along with not letting Biden’s team transition in regards to national security is making me worried about international crises being a constant in Biden’s presidency. We’re seeing the failures of Trump’s isolationism happen before our eyes.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:04:36am

re: #251 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:05:54am

re: #251 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

If anyone has read some history of early (or even later) Christianity, the issue of whether a Christian should be a soldier (or even part of the government) has deep roots.

That Rubio is doing the theocratic version of Christianity, where being a Christian means fighting, literally fighting, is not surprising.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:06:55am

re: #247 jamesfirecat

A dangerous headless chicken who is still damaging this country and our allies.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:07:38am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:08:45am

re: #253 GlutenFreeJesus

Marco what was thou doing when thou was of age in Gulf War I? Maybe stop with the goddamn pandering and actually listen to what people like Warnock are saying but go on Toadie of the guy who justifies Putin’s aggression because “we’re no angels”

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:08:46am

re: #255 Patricia Kayden

A dangerous headless chicken who is still damaging this country and our allies.

Look I’ll be the first to admit I can’t even properly theorize what kind of harm Donald Trump could do by pulling our troops out of various bases unilaterally but I refuse to give him a magical ability to overturn this election, I’ll try and smack down every attempt I make him the GOP make to move in that direction, but this is a death rattle/I refuse to believe he’s not operating from a weaker position than he was on a few weeks ago before the election.

I refuse to be terrorized or accept his bluster as proof of strength.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:09:59am
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:10:34am
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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:12:10am
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:12:36am

re: #258 jamesfirecat

Agreed. He can’t overturn the election results. That’s not my point. I just don’t see him as a lame duck right now given all the damage he’s still doing. Hopefully, President Biden can undo most of the harm.

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garzooma  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:12:47am

re: #258 jamesfirecat

Look I’ll be the first to admit I can’t even properly theorize what kind of harm Donald Trump could do by pulling our troops out of various bases unilaterally …

It seems clear that pulling our troops out of Afghanistan -> Taliban returning -> Al Qaeda reclaiming its safe haven -> more 9/11’s.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:13:47am

re: #260 Patricia Kayden

A very loud minority. That’s the thing. The Republicans since they realized that they would be the party of the people who opposed the Civil Rights Movement of the 60’s are uninterested in what the majority of this country thinks. They deride our population hubs as either being crime, filled hellholes full of the “other” or run by “liberal elites.”

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:14:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:15:55am

re: #239 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m told DOD has been ordered to plan further troop withdrawals, from Somalia, South Korea and Germany. Trump is doing his best to weaken America, our friends, and allies on his way out the door.

all to make Biden look like a hawk for “remilitarizing” these regions…

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:17:27am

re: #263 garzooma

It seems clear that pulling our troops out of Afghanistan -> Taliban returning -> Al Qaeda reclaiming its safe haven -> more 9/11’s.

The issue is that as I look at things, 9/11 succeeded not because the were able to plot it so intricately but because we were somewhat asleep at the wheel/weren’t taking the proper precautions. I mean, it has been nearly 20 years since then and there hasn’t been a second terrorist attack on American soil close to the scale of 9/11, we’ve gotten better at defending ourselves against them.

That said there’s going to be a period of weakness as Biden takes over and Trump sulks, but at the same time the Taliban people have the same period of weakness to reestablish themselves after Trump pulls out and they need to retake over the country.

I’m not sure I can properly articulate how much the people of Afghanistan are likely to suffer though….

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:18:40am

re: #244 Patricia Kayden

Trump is still firing people, removing troops from
hotspots, replacing personnel, etc. Doesn’t quite feel that he’s all that “lame duck”.

There used to be norms about leaving the place in decent shape for the next president. Not with these guys.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:20:20am

re: #251 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Answer

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Does anyone have the full context of “You cannot serve God and the military” because that doesn’t seem like a full sentence.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:20:40am

re: #235 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We need a set of binding national standards, leave it up to the states to fulfill them.

Freeper at this moment:

To: mad_as_he$$

I agree. In a national election, there need to be national standards. There are too many states that have shown that they have no intention of following the rules of their own states in elections.

29 posted on 11/18/2020, 9:07:32 AM by Texas resident (Biden and Kamala are China’s bitches)

This is a rare moment of L/R convergence.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:22:42am

FFVCS is on a Twitter rampage this morning after Wayne County certified the election.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:23:25am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

Freeper at this moment:

This is a rare moment of L/R convergence.

A new federal civil rights act with voting being a big part of it would be great. That people like Governor Abbott got away with things like establishing one dropoff location per county in a state like Texas is obscene. What’s kept a lot of this shit Constitutional according to the right wing jurists is it’s not done blatantly racially even though the writing is on the paper when you see things like closing down DMVs and cutting public transist in heavily minority counties when you begin to implement ID laws and such.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:25:05am

re: #248 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m flabbergasted at that. Mayo is one of the preeminent medical facilities in the nation, let alone the world, and they’ve got a personnel crunch because 900 members of the facility have covid?

It’s actually more than that once you factor in quarantines and related personnel:

The 900 staff newly diagnosed with COVID-19 equals over one-third of the 2,981 Mayo employees diagnosed since the start of the outbreak. When you add in staff who are quarantined or taken offline in order to care for relatives, the clinic is currently experiencing a stable shortage of 1,500 staff systemwide, 1,000 in Rochester.

If this is happening at the Mayo, you’re damn sure that it’s happening elsewhere that covid19 is ravaging out of control, or soon will be.

Hospitals will need to cancel all electives and go onto lockdown protocols to protect staff. That means no visitors and strict screening/testing for all staff and patients. It means nationwide.

Trump, meanwhile has checked out any providing no guidance or leadership. It’s up to the various states, and whether Minnesota enacts draconian rules or not will be undone because neighboring states refuse to do so.

Fuck the GOP. #GOPDontCare

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wrenchwench  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:26:40am

Marquito Rubio.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:35:59am

Put up, shut up. Let’s see if they actually piss away 8 million to lose again:

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:38:37am

re: #275 Dr. Matt

Put up, shut up. Let’s see if they actually piss away 8 million to lose again:

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It’ll be awesome to watch Donald Trump’s campaign spending 8 million upfront as a quasi-stimulus to the blue state of Wisconsin and its government employees who will conduct this recount.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:39:55am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:40:21am

Let’s see the money

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:41:23am

re: #278 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Let’s see the money

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He’ll get his recount, lose again, and his deluded cult followers will continue believing the election was “stolen” from him.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:41:57am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:42:25am

re: #271 The Pie Overlord!

FFVCS is on a Twitter rampage this morning after Wayne County certified the election.

who knew the certification of votes would be so controversial.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:42:59am

Anyone subscribe to Daily Beast? I would love to read this article, but I’m not paying….

George Soros Breaks Silence on Right-Wing Conspiracies

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:43:52am

re: #247 jamesfirecat

No, instead he’s a headless chicken.

Controlled by strings attached to Putin’s fingers.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:44:00am

re: #275 Dr. Matt

Put up, shut up. Let’s see if they actually piss away 8 million to lose again:

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hopefully this won’t take long.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:45:41am
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:45:57am

J. Fucking. C.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:46:14am
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HRH Stanley Sea  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:46:36am

Disenfranchisement on a budget

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:47:03am

re: #288 HRH Stanley Sea

Disenfranchisement on a budget

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Narrator: counties DJT lost

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:47:26am

re: #286 The Pie Overlord!

J. Fucking. C.

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He’s so great with sourcing, isn’t he?

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:47:55am

re: #287 lawhawk

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It might be, but there will also be a whole lot of people willing to help.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:47:57am

re: #287 lawhawk

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I wonder who this “second official” is.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:51:59am

re: #282 Dr. Matt

Anyone subscribe to Daily Beast? I would love to read this article, but I’m not paying….

George Soros Breaks Silence on Right-Wing Conspiracies

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:52:49am

re: #287 lawhawk

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I see we’ve reached the part of the movie where Killmonger decides to start burning the Heart-Shaped Herbs, I’m only surprised it took him this long.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:54:58am

re: #289 Sir John Barron

Narrator: counties DJT lost

With all the blackety black voters.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:55:24am
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KingKenrod  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:56:02am

re: #282 Dr. Matt

Anyone subscribe to Daily Beast? I would love to read this article, but I’m not paying….

George Soros Breaks Silence on Right-Wing Conspiracies

Search for the article in google, and choose the cached version from the little drop down list. It came up for me.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:56:56am

re: #286 The Pie Overlord!

J. Fucking. C.

Jack needs to stop this shit now.

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:56:59am

re: #276 jamesfirecat

It’ll be awesome to watch Donald Trump’s campaign spending 8 million upfront as a quasi-stimulus to the blue state of Wisconsin and its government employees who will conduct this recount.

it’s a delay tactic
not a pay tactic

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:57:24am

re: #289 Sir John Barron

Counties that have a high minority demographic.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:57:26am

re: #296 jaunte

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my shocked face

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:57:38am

re: #271 The Pie Overlord!

FFVCS is on a Twitter rampage this morning after Wayne County certified the election.

No crime boss is happy when his henchmen turn on him.

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:58:06am

re: #285 Belafon

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rand paul demonstrates he doesnt know how vaccines work

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:58:28am

re: #298 Dr. Matt

Jack needs to stop this shit now.

It is just flawed logic.

Just like saying that a house that has burned down is now 100% fireproof

Randy Man knows what he is doing, this is intentional distorting of statistics and facts.

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garzooma  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:00:21am

re: #282 Dr. Matt

Anyone subscribe to Daily Beast? I would love to read this article, but I’m not paying….

George Soros Breaks Silence on Right-Wing Conspiracies

It’s about a new documentary “Soros” by Jesse Dylan. There’s an article and a trailer here.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:02:54am

A thread (still in progress) to be read.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:03:01am

re: #216 The Pie Overlord!

You can apply for Medicare!

Ah the card came yesterday…I had to pick it up at the Post Office since they aren’t delivering to my apartment. Why? The Post Office said that my apartment building had to get new delivery boxes. Manager got them, installed them, requested the Post Office provide locks for the boxes…and we hear NOTHING from the postmaster…except we have to pick up our mail at the post office.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:04:32am
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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:05:31am
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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:07:27am

re: #249 The Pie Overlord!

Lovely name. And congrats on 46!

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:11:13am

re: #303 dangerman

rand paul demonstrates he doesnt know how vaccines work

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Or he does, but he knows his minions don’t so he is lying to get the response he wants. So he would be a manipulative lying sac of shit if that is the case.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:12:07am

re: #305 garzooma

It’s about a new documentary “Soros” by Jesse Dylan. There’s an article and a trailer here.

I mean this is a man who worked to democratize and open up the old Eastern bloc. Yet he’s made out to be a Communist and a Nazi collaborator. The animus towards this man is based in good, old fashioned Antisemitism and I’ve seen nothing that suggests otherwise.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:12:31am

re: #293 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Edited because I misread the post.

I find it interesting that Dylan’s sons seem to be more into film than music nowadays.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:12:31am

re: #309 lawhawk

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There’s still another $5 million left, SHOW ME THE MONEY!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:13:51am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:14:44am

re: #303 dangerman

rand paul demonstrates he doesnt know how vaccines work

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What do you expect from a self-certified “doctor”?

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:14:54am

re: #169 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:15:18am

re: #315 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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I’m in my 30’s. I’m definitely experiencing increased anxiety the last eight months.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:16:03am

re: #318 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m in my 30’s. I’m definitely experiencing increased anxiety the last eight months.

Yeah. I am feeling it increase steadily. These last two weeks have been horrendous on my mental health.

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:16:24am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:18:41am

re: #319 thedopefishlives

Yeah. I am feeling it increase steadily. These last two weeks have been horrendous on my mental health.

I don’t do well in the colder months generally period but I’m finding it more so this year. The weight of this pandemic and the way the top of our supposed leadership continues to treat it as a joke. I’m also exhausted by disinformation spread by Influencers with an agenda yee high.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:20:14am

re: #315 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Great example of what happens when the Federal government completely abdicates their responsibility and leaves us all twisting in the fucking wind.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:20:45am

re: #320 sagehen

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In the year 2320, Grandma’s on the menu tonight, don’t forget the sirracha sauce. I’m honestly making an effort to eat less meat going forward not just ecologically but health wise too given my heart.

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garzooma  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:21:11am

re: #312 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean this is a man who worked to democratize and open up the old Eastern bloc. Yet he’s made out to be a Communist and a Nazi collaborator. The animus towards this man is based in good, old fashioned Antisemitism and I’ve seen nothing that suggests otherwise.

Not to disagree that antisemitism plays a part, but there are other Jewish billionaires who support liberal causes (or at least one in Bloomberg). The thing that separates Soros is his work to democratize that you mentioned. It has made him the target of tyrants and their bootlickers around the world. The hate from Trumpers is a piece of that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:22:40am

re: #319 thedopefishlives

Yeah. I am feeling it increase steadily. These last two weeks have been horrendous on my mental health.

Right there with you. The approaching holiday season isn’t helping any. Primarily the rate at which infections are spiking right now is scaring the shit out of me…because I know there will be no stimulus or federal intervention until at least February and that’s still about three months away.

I just keep hoping the vaccines will be ready sooner rather than later so we can at least get our healthcare workers and first responders protected, then hopefully start putting a dent in this thing.

But remember, the medical experts from the beginning were telling us this would probably get worse before it got better.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:23:40am

So, asking for trump… Would he have won is he applied the 3/5 clause?

The city of Detroit voted overwhelmingly in favor of Joe Biden — 233,908 total votes for the Biden-Harris ticket compared to just 12,654 for the incumbent President Trump. Detroit’s election turnout was 49.56% — 250,138 total votes out of 504,714 registered voters.

Overall, Wayne County was a definitive vote for Biden — 68.12% of the vote. That’s 587,074 votes for the Democratic ticket in Wayne County.

Of course this is dark “humor”, but this is how a bunch of Republicans think.

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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:24:55am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:25:45am

re: #324 garzooma

Not to disagree that antisemitism plays a part, but there are other Jewish billionaires who support liberal causes (or at least one in Bloomberg). The thing that separates Soros is his work to democratize that you mentioned. It has made him the target of tyrants and their bootlickers around the world. The hate from Trumpers is a piece of that.

Yeah that Goulash Putin (Orban) hates him is good. But yes it’s his support for liberal democracy in these places. I’ve been reading what’s happening in Poland in addition to Hungary with great disappointment. I’ve always known Poland was a conservative country owing to the Catholic Church’s influence on the population but I thought that democracy mattered too.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:29:12am

😂😂😂

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:30:25am

re: #309 lawhawk

Milwaukee and Dane Counties are where Trump’s seeking a recount. That’s Madison and Milwaukee.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:31:08am

re: #329 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

😂😂😂

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Hopefully the herring were red.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:32:05am

re: #330 lawhawk

Milwaukee and Dane Counties are where Trump’s seeking a recount. That’s Madison and Milwaukee.

They should be required to pay for the whole state recount.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:33:09am

re: #331 Belafon

Hopefully the herring were red.

If they were it might mean they were Russian agents after all!

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:34:29am

re: #282 Dr. Matt

Anyone subscribe to Daily Beast? I would love to read this article, but I’m not paying….

George Soros Breaks Silence on Right-Wing Conspiracies

The new documentary Soros, directed by Jesse Dylan and available Nov. 20, examines the life of the Hungarian-born titan, from escaping the Nazis as a child to accumulating hedge fund riches and creating the grantmaking charity network Open Society Foundations. Soros also features a series of sit-down interviews with the man himself, and in one exchange—that you can see below—he finally breaks his silence on all the wacky conspiracies.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:36:21am

re: #330 lawhawk

Milwaukee and Dane Counties are where Trump’s seeking a recount. That’s Madison and Milwaukee.

You could have called that before the announcement. It’s so obvious.

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garzooma  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:38:34am

re: #334 🌹UOJB!

The new documentary Soros, directed by Jesse Dylan and available Nov. 20, examines the life of the Hungarian-born titan, from escaping the Nazis as a child to accumulating hedge fund riches and creating the grantmaking charity network Open Society Foundations. Soros also features a series of sit-down interviews with the man himself, and in one exchange—that you can see below—he finally breaks his silence on all the wacky conspiracies.

I’ve been trying to find out how to watch the documentary. I did find out that Jesse Dylan is Bob Dylan’s son, but not much else. Anyone know where to see this?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:39:29am

re: #323 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

In the year 2320, Grandma’s on the menu tonight, don’t forget the sirracha sauce. I’m honestly making an effort to eat less meat going forward not just ecologically but health wise too given my heart.

for me also a matter of preference. In the summer season, I love meat off the grill, but other than that, I would actually rather have a veggie burger from the pan or a vegetarian chili, spaghetti sauce or stir-fry than a meaty one most of the time.

Except, of course, for Thanksgiving.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:42:07am

re: #239 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

A reminder to all: the Pat Buchanan/Ron Paul wing of the GOP has a lot of influence. They believe firmly in isolationism: we need a military strong enough to deter any foreign attacks on our soil but we don’t care what happens elsewhere. They would have happily traded with Japan and Germany in the 1930’s and certainly would have had no interest in intervening to stop genocide or mass murder. The neo-cons (including Bill Kristol) who figured so prominently during the Bush 43 Iraq war obviously hold very different views but their influence has waned.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:43:14am

Months before the 2020 election, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger rejected repeated demands by the Trump campaign to endorse the president—and he now believes the attacks on his job performance this November are “clear retaliation,” according to ProPublica. According to the outlet, the Trump campaign began pressuring Raffensperger in January for his support, which he refused multiple times because he believed the endorsement would be a conflict of interest as he oversees the voting results in Georgia. The secretary of state said at the helm of this crusade for his public support was Billy Kirkland, a senior adviser to the Trump campaign who once barged into a meeting in Raffensperger’s office in the spring demanding his support for the president.

After another meeting, where Raffensperger again refused to endorse Trump and left for an event, one of the GA official’s staffers asked if there was any additional publicly available voter data that the Republican party needed. “We’ll see how helpful you are in November,” Kirkland allegedly said, before leaving the office in anger. “They thought Georgia was a layup shot Republican win. It is not the job of the secretary of state’s office to deliver a win—it is the sole responsibility of the Georgia Republican Party to get out the vote and get its voters to the polls. That is not the job of the secretary of state’s office,” said Raffensperger, who has since publicly expressed his frustration with the Trump administration’s accusations of voter fraud in his state.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:43:41am

re: #285 Belafon

Great news!
- Pfizer vaccine 90% effective
- Moderna vaccine 94.5% effective
- Naturally acquired COVID-19 99.9982% percent effective*

We don’t know how effective an immunity it is or how long it lasts.

Idjit.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:44:01am

re: #337 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

for me also a matter of preference. In the summer season, I love meat off the grill, but other than that, I actually prefer a veggie burger from the pan.

Yeah there’s a lot of good veggie options too. I’m also eating more fish too.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:44:12am

re: #306 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I was on Balloon Juice around that time period (2008-2012). John Cole was experimenting with several guest hosts. He gave Angry Black Lady a spot, which worked out well, needless to say!

But he also gave the reins to Freddy deBoer.

Fred defined “dudebro” right from Central Casting.

The Balloon Juice commentariat certainly knew his type.

(I disliked Doug J. and stopped participating at Balloon Juice, because he liked to troll his own commentariat, amongst other reasons.!

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:44:21am

re: #335 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I did call it before the announcement. :)

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:45:22am

re: #339 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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It’s cute how he doesn’t realize they’re attacking him simply because he’s upholding a democratic process that returned results other than them being triumphant.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:46:04am

re: #338 Hecuba’s daughter

A reminder to all: the Pat Buchanan/Ron Paul wing of the GOP has a lot of influence. They believe firmly in isolationism: we need a military strong enough to deter any foreign attacks on our soil but we don’t care what happens elsewhere. They would have happily traded with Japan and Germany in the 1930’s and certainly would have had no interest in intervening to stop genocide or mass murder. The neo-cons (including Bill Kristol) who figured so prominently during the Bush 43 Iraq war obviously hold very different views but their influence has waned.

I actually prefer the neoconservatives to the isolationists. But yes this is the mindset that led to us ignoring rising authoritarianism in the interwar period and I’m glad you brought up Paul and Buchanan because their influence on the modern GOP and right are noticed here too.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:49:30am

re: #344 jamesfirecat

It’s cute how he doesn’t realize they’re attacking him simply because he’s upholding a democratic process that returned results other than them being triumphant.

I’m certain he does. He really can’t say anything other than what he’s saying. If he did, when accurately, it’d be nothing but a LIBURAL DEEP STATE STATE!!111!! for ever.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:49:47am

re: #343 lawhawk

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:53:27am

Today’s episode of Stand Up To The Asshole.

VIDEO: Fed Up San Francisco Woman Confronts Neighbor Making Racist Rants About Asians

sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:54:30am

re: #342 Sherlock Hound

Part of the reason Cole went from Republican to where he is now is because DougJ wouldn’t let up on trolling him. I also remember driving some of the more annoying commenters nuts by accusing them of being DougJ’s sock puppets.

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lizardofid  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:54:47am

re: #345 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I actually prefer the neoconservatives to the isolationists. But yes this is the mindset that led to us ignoring rising authoritarianism in the interwar period and I’m glad you brought up Paul and Buchanan because their influence on the modern GOP and right are noticed here too.

Back to pendulum swings. The very worst policy may be the constant vacillation between the two.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:57:12am

re: #338 Hecuba’s daughter

A reminder to all: the Pat Buchanan/Ron Paul wing of the GOP has a lot of influence. They believe firmly in isolationism: we need a military strong enough to deter any foreign attacks on our soil but we don’t care what happens elsewhere. They would have happily traded with Japan and Germany in the 1930’s and certainly would have had no interest in intervening to stop genocide or mass murder. The neo-cons (including Bill Kristol) who figured so prominently during the Bush 43 Iraq war obviously hold very different views but their influence has waned.

I’m thinking that troop movements take time and planning, especially ones as large as this. Surely the military will need more than two months to get started on this…

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:57:26am

Welcome to Earth, little Ezra Joshua!

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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:57:48am

Moonbats tap dance on my last nerve.

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garzooma  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:58:17am

re: #339 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Does anyone know if Secretaries of State ever endorse candidates?

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:58:32am

re: #329 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

😂😂😂

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cf. Soviet Submarine S-363, one of one handful of times the Swedish Defence Forces genuinely begun preparing for the realm to, as the laws put it, “enter war or a war-like state”.

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PrairieQueen  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:58:51am

re: #10 jaunte

Parler will be the lowest common denominator: People that believe literally anything. Flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, white nationalists, ancient aliens, religious cults - all running buckwild. May they fall prey to every bit of targeted false advertising, scam, and hustle out there. Super supplements, colloidal silver, heritage seeds, underground bunkers, moar gunz, books about what “they” don’t want you to know, investment scams - I hope they spend their savings on every bit of it, and pledge a monthly amount to a megachurch until they’re old, infirmed, and eating catfood.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:00:05am

re: #350 lizardofid

Back to pendulum swings. The very worst policy may be the constant vacillation between the two.

Definitely. I don’t like the neo-cons either but I hate the paleocons and their disdain for our allies and refusal to accept that we are a much more global society now than we’ve ever been.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:00:21am

re: #329 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

We’re they chopping down some shrubberies.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:01:08am

re: #354 garzooma

Does anyone know if Secretaries of State ever endorse candidates?

God I hope not.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:03:51am

re: #356 PrairieQueen

Parler will be the lowest common denominator: People that believe literally anything. Flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, white nationalists, ancient aliens, religious cults - all running buckwild. May they fall prey to every bit of targeted false advertising, scam, and hustle out there. Super supplements, colloidal silver, heritage seeds, underground bunkers, moar gunz, books about what “they” don’t want you to know, investment scams - I hope they spend their savings on every bit of it, and pledge a monthly amount to a megachurch until they’re old, infirmed, and eating catfood.

Unfortunately they vote and this platform will incite them even further. 24/7 Fox on steroids. They will be deprived of alternative viewpoints. For all its toxicity, Facebook does accommodate all sides — truth and lies together. But Parler will not be hospitable to anyone who tries to bring light into darkness; it extinguishes any such light.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:05:33am

re: #360 Hecuba’s daughter

Unfortunately they vote and this platform will incite them even further. 24/7 Fox on steroids. They will be deprived of alternative viewpoints. For all its toxicity, Facebook does accommodate all sides — truth and lies together. But Parler will not be hospitable to anyone who tries to bring light into darkness; it extinguishes any such light.

Interesting thing about Parler, it has a reverse 230 clause in its user agreement, if they wind up in legal trouble because of something you said on their system… you pay for it.

A few well placed lawsuits sucking the money from the pockets of Parler’s users would probably douse their enthusiasm.

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:05:55am

re: #359 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

God I hope not.

Katherine Harris (FL 2000) and Ken Blackwell (OH 2004) were Bush state campaign chairs…

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:06:13am

re: #357 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Definitely. I don’t like the neo-cons either but I hate the paleocons and their disdain for our allies and refusal to accept that we are a much more global society now than we’ve ever been.

The paleocons are, at heart, racists and anti-Semites, heirs to those like Charles Lindbergh who were fans of Adolf Hitler.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:08:08am

re: #362 sagehen

Katherine Harris (FL 2000) and Ken Blackwell (OH 2004) were Bush state campaign chairs…

And the voting was handled in ways to assist in a Bush victory.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:09:31am

re: #363 Hecuba’s daughter

The paleocons are, at heart, racists and anti-Semites, heirs to those like Charles Lindbergh who were fans of Adolf Hitler.

Exactly. They’re the people who called FDR an agent of the Jews and called him “Franklin Delano Rosenfeld.” Likewise, both Buchanan and Paul were the favorites of those like David Duke and the white supremacists long before Trump was. I don’t like the Bush doctrine. Hell I even protested against it but I think the Trump Doctrine if you want to call it a doctrine is something far worse because of what it’s meant for Covid response and issues down the road.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:11:24am

re: #362 sagehen

Katherine Harris (FL 2000) and Ken Blackwell (OH 2004) were Bush state campaign chairs…

I thought I remembered that about Harris but did not know that about Blackwell. Hell I had to look up our Secretary of State. It’s not a politically elected position here. FWIW voting has gotten much easier here as the Republicans have lost control in the legislature. I voted absentee by mail for the first time this fall. I had not in the past but I was familiar with how it was in the past since my grandmother her last few years decided to vote by absentee rather than going to the polls. It was difficult. We needed an excuse which was her advanced age.

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:11:25am

re: #355 Teukka

cf. Soviet Submarine S-363, one of one handful of times the Swedish Defence Forces genuinely begun preparing for the realm to, as the laws put it, “enter war or a war-like state”.

So you get where it ran aground, near a major naval base.

Iframe

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:12:08am

re: #332 Belafon

They should be required to pay for the whole state recount.

yes

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PrairieQueen  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:14:19am

re: #360 Hecuba’s daughter

They’re going there because it’s a batshit vacuum with no governor. No one can stop them, and there’s no way to roll it back. We as a society can’t stop that because if Parler fails, another will take it’s place. They’re going, whether we like it or not. Least they can do is suffer for their idiocy.

This is another reason believe it’s important to make the current administration legally accountable for lying, election tampering, and inciting violence. It sets an example of what society expects and what people are held accountable for.

There is no co-existence with these people. It’s like someone said about how one group wants to eat a zebra, but the zebra wants to live. The compromise (olive branch) is eat half a zebra. Zebra dies being half-eaten. Making nice with these people is not survivable.

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stpaulbear  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:19:32am

re: #354 garzooma

Does anyone know if Secretaries of State ever endorse candidates?

Brian Kemp in GA comes to mind for some reason.

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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:20:49am

re: #362 sagehen

Katherine Harris (FL 2000) and Ken Blackwell (OH 2004) were Bush state campaign chairs…

Two totally loathsome creatures. Ken Blackwell, in particular, is as creepy as they come.

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:21:25am

re: #367 Teukka

So you get where it ran aground, near a major naval base.

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And the page of Karlskrona Naval Base.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:22:53am

Outside of responsibility for counting the votes, what other responsibilities do state secretary of states have? The position is totally different than the federal position with the same name in contrast to the state AGs who are just state versions of the AG of the entire country.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:24:26am

re: #371 BeachDem

Two totally loathsome creatures. Ken Blackwell, in particular, is as creepy as they come.

Yeah, Blackwell and Harris were names I heard a lot in my earlier days of being politically intrigued. I’m with Ron Klain. I’m never gonna not be bitter in someway about 2000. I really think that election really set us down a bad road.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:25:24am

re: #355 Teukka

cf. Soviet Submarine S-363, one of one handful of times the Swedish Defence Forces genuinely begun preparing for the realm to, as the laws put it, “enter war or a war-like state”.

not herring farts?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:26:11am

We just went over 250K deaths. Goddamnit. It’s the human cost of this that keeps me up at night as well as the criminally indifference to it by the Presidency.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:27:48am

JOE EXOTIC TIGER TEAM EXPECTING PARDON: Limo Ready For Celebration

The Tiger Team leader, Eric Love, tells TMZ … Joe’s legal team received several calls from Washington D.C. Tuesday regarding his pardon, and the team is feeling really good about Joe’s chances of getting out from behind bars.

In fact, Eric tells us the Tiger Team already entered an agreement with a limo company out of Dallas, and they’re keeping a Dodge Ram pickup truck stretch limo on standby 24/7 so it’s ready just in case Joe gets sprung from prison

Priorities.

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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:31:17am

re: #374 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah, Blackwell and Harris were names I heard a lot in my earlier days of being politically intrigued. I’m with Ron Klain. I’m never gonna not be bitter in someway about 2000. I really think that election really set us down a bad road.

Just checked—yep, Ken Blackwell still spouting bullshit, now from his lofty perch with the Family Research Council—ugh.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:32:01am

re: #376 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We just went over 250K deaths. Goddamnit. It’s the human cost of this that keeps me up at night as well as the criminally indifference to it by the Presidency.

The staggeringly unfortunate part is that I don’t see any way that we aren’t at 3k to 5k deaths per day by early December—and that’s if no healthcare systems in any major metro collapse. We haven’t seen the deaths start to materialize for when the daily case numbers exceeded 100k, 125k, 150k, etc. etc. And Thanksgiving will likely send cases soaring, as get togethers like a 10-15 person Thanksgiving dinner are what is driving case numbers right now. I would not be at all surprised if we passed 100k deaths in December alone.

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garzooma  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:33:04am

re: #373 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Outside of responsibility for counting the votes, what other responsibilities do state secretary of states have? The position is totally different than the federal position with the same name in contrast to the state AGs who are just state versions of the AG of the entire country.

Here’s a list of duties for the RI SOS:

Duties of the Secretary of State
The Secretary of State is the state’s third ranking elected official, following the Governor and Lt. Governor. State law gives the Secretary of State many different duties. As Rhode Island’s chief elections officer, the Secretary of State registers voters, prepares ballots, certifies election results and administers oaths of office. The Secretary of State also works with companies registered to do business in Rhode Island - more than 70,000 in all. State laws and other official acts, such as issuing bonds, must be signed by the Secretary of State in order to make them official. The Secretary of State is also charged with regulating lobbying activity in the Executive and Legislative branches of state government. In addition, the Secretary of State also processes, preserves and gives the public access to hundreds of thousands of historic documents and public records.

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:33:29am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not herring farts?

It may have been anxious minks or flatulent herrings later on, but on 1981-10-27, it was a real Soviet sub carrying nukes. So you get why the Swedish military gets a wee bit anxious when they get indications you have subs near vital installations. Like, the Hårsfjärden sub hunts were right next door to Muskö Naval Base, and the hunts in the most recent years were in a civilian area which would be in an invaders interest to attack in case of war. The latter turned out to be a pinger for some power generation/transmission gear, and the power company responsible has since been bitchslapped reminded by the Defence Forces re: proper protocol.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:33:30am

re: #379 Mike Lamb

The staggeringly unfortunate part is that I don’t see any way that we aren’t at 3k to 5k deaths per day by early December—and that’s if no healthcare systems in any major metro collapse. We haven’t seen the deaths start to materialize for when the daily case numbers exceeded 100k, 125k, 150k, etc. etc. And Thanksgiving will likely send cases soaring, as get togethers like a 10-15 person Thanksgiving dinner are what is driving case numbers right now. I would not be at all surprised if we passed 100k deaths in December alone.

This is all pre-programmed.

And again, as an expat I usually get a bit homesick starting in the holiday season

NOT THIS YEAR AT ALL!!!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:34:12am

re: #378 BeachDem

Just checked—yep, Ken Blackwell still spouting bullshit, now from his lofty perch with the Family Research Council—ugh.

Nice reward for helping Rove with the anti SSM referendum turnout in Ohio. That kind of shit along with the people who act like our post Obergefell world was an inevitability rather than the hard fought legal victory it was is what pisses me off. Hell Republicans here are still hostile to LGBT rights in large ways. My old delegate before I moved- my only Republican left was still bitching about gay-straight alliances existing at the local schools including the one my brother attended.

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Jay C  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:34:16am

re: #373 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Outside of responsibility for counting the votes, what other responsibilities do state secretary of states have? The position is totally different than the federal position with the same name in contrast to the state AGs who are just state versions of the AG of the entire country.

See Wikipedia for State-level SoS duties

They vary from state to state, but most usually involve (in addition to election monitoring and/or certification) “administrative” functions, like official record-keeping, business registration, licensing functions, notaries, etc. And, in five states, in charge of the state museum.

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PrairieQueen  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:37:09am

re: #92 mmmirele

Glad to hear it. No more deserving people than Bethel church’s congregation to deceive and molest. If they believe what that church says, they’ll believe anything.

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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:37:56am

2020: now the feral hogs have a navy!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:39:28am

re: #379 Mike Lamb

The staggeringly unfortunate part is that I don’t see any way that we aren’t at 3k to 5k deaths per day by early December—and that’s if no healthcare systems in any major metro collapse. We haven’t seen the deaths start to materialize for when the daily case numbers exceeded 100k, 125k, 150k, etc. etc. And Thanksgiving will likely send cases soaring, as get togethers like a 10-15 person Thanksgiving dinner are what is driving case numbers right now. I would not be at all surprised if we passed 100k deaths in December alone.

Yeah I worry about spreader Thanksgiving and Christmases. It’s all so bittersweet here since we really didn’t get to enjoy Thanksgiving and Christmas last year either. My brother’s FiL died around that time and my grandmother got sick with the terminal pancreatic cancer that got her in January shortly after Thanksgiving. I hate it. But I want to live for tomorrow and if that means I can’t go to bars, shows, etc like I used to, so be it, I can wait but it’s gonna be tough seeing those numbers go up knowing what could have been done to mitigate them.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:40:36am

re: #384 Jay C

See Wikipedia for State-level SoS duties

They vary from state to state, but most usually involve (in addition to election monitoring and/or certification) “administrative” functions, like official record-keeping, business registration, licensing functions, notaries, etc. And, in five states, in charge of the state museum.

Yeah seems to me that it shouldn’t be as politicized as it is. I had to look up my own SoS and I like to think I’m generally informed of who’s who in Virginia politics.

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:41:20am

re: #386 retired cynic

2020: now the feral hogs have a navy!

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Figures. Should we worry when they get an Air Force? Semi-///

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PrairieQueen  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:42:08am

re: #377 Dr. Matt

Animal abusing fucks. So are Trump’s kids. No surprise they’d be lauded as heroes with that bunch.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:42:09am

Germany is trying a “lockdown light” - closed bars and restaurants (except takeaway) and public events but left shops open and otherwise no restrictions on being out and about (travel is difficult as hotels are closed) in hopes of getting numbers down enough to allow a fairly “normal” Christmas/Holiday season but it is not showing much of an effect

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Jay C  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:45:08am

re: #389 Teukka

Figures. Should we worry when they get an Air Force? Semi-///

No, we needn’t worry, IMO: what’s that old saying about “when pigs fly….” ?

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:45:11am

For the Gadsden flag collections of y’all:

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Dr. Matt  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:45:43am

re: #390 PrairieQueen

Animal abusing fucks. So are Trump’s kids. No surprise they’d be lauded as heroes with that bunch.

If Donnie was reelected, it would have been a certainty that Joe would appear at MAGAt rallies.

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Nojay UK  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:46:17am

re: #340 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

We don’t know how effective an immunity it is or how long it lasts.

Idjit.

biorxiv.org

It’s a preprint and not peer-reviewed but basically from a sample of people who caught SARS-COV-2 early on there’s good evidence of significant numbers of B-type memory cells being present six months later.

The sort-of bad news is that there’s not enough people who have had the disease already to reduce the R value significantly so it’s going to continue to spread. People with B-cell and antibody “immunity” might still catch a second dose of the disease in a very mild form and be slightly infectious to those around them and hence keep the R value higher than we really want.

Infections and especially pandemics of novel diseases like COVID-19 are really statistical in nature. A vaccine induces an immune response with the added side-benefit that the vaccinated person isn’t shedding new viral particles compared to an infected person but that antibody immune response doesn’t guarantee perfect immunity. Vaccinating a million individuals DOES guarantee a much much smaller pool of seriously infected people which means the spread of the disease is vastly reduced. There will be some individuals who get the disease even after they get vaccinated though.

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:47:58am

Check out what happens when you type loser.com into Google…

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:50:17am

re: #386 retired cynic

2020: now the feral hogs have a navy!

[Embedded content]

Was just a matter of time and evolution

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:51:37am

re: #394 Dr. Matt

If Donnie was reelected, it would have been a certainty that Joe would appear at MAGAt rallies.

Joe entertains them with tigers and then Trump tells them about what’s pissing him off at the moment. Joe Donald Trump Exotic is the merger that we never wanted but might have deserved if we re-elected Trump.

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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:55:21am

re: #394 Dr. Matt

If Donnie was reelected, it would have been a certainty that Joe would appear at MAGAt rallies.

Will anyway.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:56:22am

re: #382 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is all pre-programmed.

And again, as an expat I usually get a bit homesick starting in the holiday season

NOT THIS YEAR AT ALL!!!

Yep…that’s all baked in right now and it’s pretty much inevitable. Come Christmas, the numbers could be even worse, after Thanksgiving cases are factored in.

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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:57:40am

Fuel Your Wanderlust With These Photographs by Top Architects and Designers
Though much of the world remains off-limits, you can armchair-travel through this breathtaking new book, by Laura Itzkowitz, Architectural Digest.

Not a huge number of photos, but they are “cherce”.

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Nojay UK  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:58:45am

Subs have a regular habit of turning up where they’re not supposed to be and doing things that they’re not supposed to — the Jimmy Carter is purpose-built for just such a role.

HMS Conqueror, the only nuclear sub that has ever fired a warshot at a hostile vessel and sunk it (the Belgrano) had pages reportedly missing from its logbooks. This was taken as evidence of nefarious dealings during the Falklands War when in fact its next job after the war was over was to go into the Arctic region and deliberately snag an experimental towed sonar array from a Soviet Navy vessel in, ahem, “an unspecified location”. That almost certainly means USSR territorial waters.

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:05:22am

What I will be listening to tonight:

Anohana OST Disc 1 - 01 Tamerai

Anohana OST

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:07:23am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:08:53am

Shocking I know

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:09:02am

Even Newsmax is throwing a hint of shade in this article:

Recounts in Wisconsin and across the country have historically resulted in very few vote changes. A 2016 presidential recount in Wisconsin netted Trump an additional 131 votes.

Trump won Wisconsin by fewer than 23,000 votes that year and opposed the recount brought by Green Party candidate Jill Stein.

“The people have spoken and the election is over,” Trump said at the time. “We must accept this result and then look to the future.”

In Wisconsin, two pro-Trump groups along with a Wisconsin voter went to federal court to try and stop the 2016 recount, arguing in one filing that a Wisconsin recount that might “unjustifiably cast doubt upon the legitimacy of President-Elect Donald J. Trump’s victory.”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:11:34am

re: #393 Teukka

This is my favorite Gadsen Flag:

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:16:37am

re: #407 Eric The Fruit Bat

THIS WE’LL TREAD.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:17:38am

Umm…I think I just overdosed on autotune…

And if there was ever a musical equivalent of Trump Tower, that arrangement is it. Gaudy, over-embellished, ultimately empty and pointless.

And that chorus! Just bad. Real bad.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:19:51am

re: #409 makeitstop

Umm…I think I just overdosed on autotune…

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And if there was ever a musical equivalent of Trump Tower, that arrangement is it. Gaudy, over-embellished, ultimately empty and pointless.

And that chorus! Just bad. Real bad.

It’s time like this that I’m glad that guy blocked me on Twitter.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:23:02am

re: #409 makeitstop

Umm…I think I just overdosed on autotune…

And if there was ever a musical equivalent of Trump Tower, that arrangement is it. Gaudy, over-embellished, ultimately empty and pointless.

And that chorus! Just bad. Real bad.

I really feel like we’re run by a Putin puppet presidency right down to the musically untalented daughter of the leader getting a recording deal.

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:24:14am

re: #409 makeitstop

Umm…I think I just overdosed on autotune…

[Embedded content]

And if there was ever a musical equivalent of Trump Tower, that arrangement is it. Gaudy, over-embellished, ultimately empty and pointless.

And that chorus! Just bad. Real bad.

Iframe

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:25:34am

re: #411 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I really feel like we’re run by a Putin puppet presidency right down to the musically untalented daughter of the leader getting a recording deal.

I’m suddenly thinking about the name Susan Alexander.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:31:12am

re: #239 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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If true this is also Trump punishing the military for their lack of “loyalty”.

If 200,000 troops are brought home they won’t sit idly in US bases training. I expect a good number of them will be discharged within a fairly short time period.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:40:47am

re: #330 lawhawk

Milwaukee and Dane Counties are where Trump’s seeking a recount. That’s Madison and Milwaukee.

Perhaps the GOP doesn’t want any sort of investigation in the vote counts in the GOP-heavy counties of the state.
///
Just askin’ questions.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:44:22am

re: #339 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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There was a lot of talk here before the election that if the vote trended blue in Georgia that the GOP would bend it somehow with Kemp (and presumably other GOP state officers) turning a blind eye.

It appears that at least some of them still have the integrity to take their office seriously and understand that they represent all the citizens and institutions of an entire state and not just their political party.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:47:22am

re: #351 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

I’m thinking that troop movements take time and planning, especially ones as large as this. Surely the military will need more than two months to get started on this…

Trump will fire the JCOS and put Jared in charge of it so that it will be completed by Christmas.

Probably including abandoning all their equipment there to be sold at auction and charging the the soldiers travel back home to a recently established Trump Airlines that was given a no-bid contract.
////

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:52:07am

re: #360 Hecuba’s daughter

Unfortunately they vote and this platform will incite them even further. 24/7 Fox on steroids. They will be deprived of alternative viewpoints. For all its toxicity, Facebook does accommodate all sides — truth and lies together. But Parler will not be hospitable to anyone who tries to bring light into darkness; it extinguishes any such light.

If Parler is smart they will set up a couple of bot accounts that can be programmed to be liberal scapegoats. Useful to keep the pot stirred.

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cat-tikvah  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:36:23am

re: #274 wrenchwench

Marquitito Rubio more accurately.

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Sinistershade  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:59:52pm

re: #214 lawhawk

Why chance any of this? Are sports so fucking important that you’d ruin your life for it? /rhetorical - the answer is apparently a resounding yes given all the people who play football knowing that it can leave you permanently harmed.

I agree with you, but it isn’t always so cut and dried. My daughter is a gymnast. By that I don’t mean she does gymnastics as a fun activity. I mean it’s her profession. She’s trained 20–40 per week for 13 years and competed all over the country. Last week she accepted a gymnastics scholarship to the University of California at Davis.

We’ve agonized over her going to the gym each day. They take precautions, with distancing, cleaning the apparatus, and gallons of hand sanitizer. Each day when she arrives home she strips and heads straight into the shower. Her clothes go straight into the washer.

I want to keep her safe, but we have to balance that against her career and education. The choices in this pandemic are not always easy.

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A Cranky One  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:19:06pm

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not herring farts?

My ex loved picked herring. I can assure you herring farts can be quite deadly.


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