Colbert: The GOP Is Taking Baby Steps Toward Admitting Reality

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While the current president remains hunkered down at the White House reviewing legal strategies with Rudy Giuliani, Republican lawmakers like Sen. Marco Rubio are beginning to publicly admit the truth that Joe Biden will be sworn in as President in January. #Colbert #Monologue #ALateShow

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:23:43am
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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:27:35am
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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:29:27am
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Dave In Austin  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:29:44am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:31:10am
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:31:49am

Awwwwww. The traitor is having a breakdown. Good for her.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:33:33am
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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:35:43am

re: #7 jaunte

I’d say criminal conspiracy. These are people who are subverting the peaceful transition of power from one administration to the next. There are consequences to be had.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:36:18am

re: #6 🌹UOJB!

Awwwwww. The traitor is having a breakdown. Good for her.

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She’s known it was over. She was looking for a new job. It’s no surprise to me that Biden has a chosen an ethics specialist to be his counsel. Cipollone meanwhile is from the Barr school of executive power.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:39:23am

re: #3 jaunte

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That’s the one upside of this shitshow - every day he loses the election, all over again.

But it was only fantasy
The wall was too high, as you can see
No matter how he tried he could not break free
And the worms ate into his brain

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:40:11am
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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:40:18am

re: #10 makeitstop

He’s gonna Run Like Hell when this is over and the indictments come a calling.

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:42:33am

re: #12 lawhawk

He’s gonna Run Like Hell when this is over and the indictments come a calling.

Slow-speed live televised SUV chase? Semi-///

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Dave In Austin  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:42:47am

No comment needed.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:44:54am

re: #6 🌹UOJB!

It is time for rumblings of a national general strike to start making the rounds of major media outlets and ring through the chambers of Congress. Enough of Trump’s toddler tantrums.

GOP cowards and those with evil intent may think nothing of ethics or disenfranchising most of America, but they will sit up and listen intently as Wall Street gets concerned over lost profits and loan defaults due to strikes.

And even their cowardly fear of Trump will not be enough to ignore their $$$ Billionaire master’s concerns over lower stock prices and lost profits.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:45:13am

re: #11 jaunte

Damn. Trump broke Jeff. I don’t recall him swearing like this until recently.

I feel ya, Jeff. Welcome to the club.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:45:34am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:45:48am

re: #13 Teukka

Slow-speed live televised SUV chase? Semi-///

Is that semi running him down? Coz I like that visual.

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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:47:12am

re: #12 lawhawk

He’s gonna Run Like Hell when this is over and the indictments come a calling.

Running on (running on empty)
Running on (running blind)
Running on (running into the sun)
But I’m running behind

Jackson Browne - Running on Empty w/ lyrics

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:48:28am

re: #6 🌹UOJB!

Awwwwww. The traitor is having a breakdown. Good for her.

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Yeah, fuck her feelings

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:51:02am

re: #14 Dave In Austin

No comment needed.

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Jesus Soaker. Find them at your local Sacramental Toys ‘R Us

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:51:07am

re: #6 🌹UOJB!

Awwwwww. The traitor is having a breakdown. Good for her.

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The moment you realize you’re a traitor, you should stop being a traitor.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:51:24am

You don’t get conservatives without the CON.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:51:53am

Why hasn’t Josh Bernstein been arrested?

Utah Outcasts expose that asshole.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:51:56am

re: #22 Belafon

The moment you realize you’re a traitor, you should stop being a traitor.

This is what normal, sane, and rational people would do. These are not normal, sane, and rational people we’re dealing with.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:51:59am

re: #14 Dave In Austin

No comment needed.

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Why hasn’t someone created one that looks like a cross? There’s money to be made.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:52:45am

re: #23 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

You don’t get conservatives without the CON.

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FYI, there’s a whole thread of con men and women there.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:52:59am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:53:09am

No one but Emily forced her to be a household name. And this isn’t someone over their head. This is a qualified person with a JD from UVA holding up an orderly transition of power. Trump lost. Emily Murphy and the administration know this but they need this myth of Trump being robbed to be a new part of the political mythos- just like “ Obama spied on Trump’s campaign.”

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:56:54am

re: #21 Eventual Carrion

Jesus Soaker. Find them at your local Sacramental Toys ‘R Us

The Sacramental Soaker or the Baptism Blaster, come on man you know alliteration sells!

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2020 • 10:57:36am

re: #30 jamesfirecat

The Sacramental Soaker or the Baptism Blaster, come on you man alliteration sells!

It’s always marketing

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:00:37am
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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:01:27am

re: #13 Teukka

Slow-speed live televised SUV chase? Semi-///

It’s Trumpworld, so it’ll be Trump being driven around Daytona speedway thinking he’ll outrun the cops.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:03:32am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:04:28am

re: #33 lawhawk

It’s Trumpworld, so it’ll be Trump being driven around Daytona speedway thinking he’ll outrun the cops.

Like this…

Presidential Motorcade

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:04:33am

re: #29 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No one but Emily forced her to be a household name. And this isn’t someone over their head. This is a qualified person with a JD from UVA holding up an orderly transition of power. Trump lost. Emily Murphy and the administration know this but they need this myth of Trump being robbed to be a new part of the political mythos- just like “ Obama spied on Trump’s campaign.”

Same with those two boneheads in Michigan. Welcome to infamy.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:05:14am

re: #36 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Same with those two boneheads in Michigan. Welcome to infamy.

If you don’t want to become an icon of evil, perhaps you shouldn’t do evil things.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:08:09am

re: #34 Dave In Austin

Yours is better tho. 😂

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:08:31am

re: #16 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Damn. Trump broke Jeff. I don’t recall him swearing like this until recently.

I feel ya, Jeff. Welcome to the club.

I used to avoid swearing in my tweets and here. But since 2017, I’ve increasingly found that the only way to show my absolute frustration with the lack of consequences for shredding the rule of law has to curse almost nonstop.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:08:54am

re: #39 lawhawk

I used to avoid swearing in my tweets and here. But since 2017, I’ve increasingly found that the only way to show my absolute frustration with the lack of consequences for shredding the rule of law has to curse almost nonstop.

Same.

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Thanos  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:11:13am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Since the election I am cursing a wee bit less.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:11:24am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:12:45am
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:13:59am

re: #42 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:18:26am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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They’ve been duly concerned

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:20:18am
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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:22:13am

re: #10 makeitstop

That’s the one upside of this shitshow - every day he loses the election, all over again.

But it was only fantasy
The wall was too high, as you can see
No matter how he tried he could not break free
And the worms ate into his brain

groundhog day without the self awareness or personal growth

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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:22:28am

re: #46 Dread Pirate Ron

I can’t even imagine. And I’ve lived through months of the 1993 great floods on the Mississippi and Illinois (and all the other tributaries feeding the Mississippi in the upper Midwest).

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:23:57am

re: #39 lawhawk

I used to avoid swearing in my tweets and here. But since 2017, I’ve increasingly found that the only way to show my absolute frustration with the lack of consequences for shredding the rule of law has to curse almost nonstop.

There are levels of cursing, and a few words I will not use, even in my most profane moments.

I will use all manner of riff on fuck, because it’s the most versatile of curse words. You can add it to any other group of words and it adds to the situation.

BS/bullshit is no longer sufficient, especially when dealing with Trumpian levels of it: Bulkshit is the minimum here: warehouse club size portions of BS.

And my final word on cursing: it’s actually good for you.

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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:24:04am

It’s Time for Democrats to Tell Trump Supporters the Truth
About what they voted for, and about whatever crimes were committed by the current administration*. Charlie Pierce, Esquire.

Those of us who have lived through the Nixon pardon, the Iran-Contra two-step, and the way that the Obama administration let the criminals of the Avignon Presidency go unpunished can’t be surprised by this NBC News revelation that we’re about to live through yet another episode of government-by-coverup.

Jesus H. Christ at a Cracker Barrel, will we ever stop buying these people a cookie? On Tuesday, in his invaluable daily newsletter, Eric Boehlert slapped the networks around for catering to the angry patio people. And if you want a look at the politics in play, check out this Politico long-form examination of Rep. Elissa Slotkin, who, for the purposes of this discussion, anyway, is supposed to be a Democrat of great national influence. The kernel of news in the story is that Slotkin does not plan to vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House, which brings us all back to the abortive Tim Ryan coup in 2018. But the more significant passages are about Slotkin’s views of the people in her district and around the country who voted twice for a vulgar talking yam.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:29:29am
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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:29:51am

The Donald J Trump Library, h/t Juanita Jean herownself. Take a look!

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:30:06am

NYC schools are closing and going remote starting tomorrow after the 7 day rolling average crossed 3%.

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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:33:59am

re: #50 retired cynic

It’s Time for Democrats to Tell Trump Supporters the Truth
About what they voted for, and about whatever crimes were committed by the current administration*. Charlie Pierce, Esquire.

The money quote:

Anybody who voted to re-elect this heedless, sociopathic vandal is basically unreachable, and trying to reach them guarantees the Democratic Party’s failure by making the party complicit in its own self-destruction.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:35:05am

re: #50 retired cynic

It’s Time for Democrats to Tell Trump Supporters the Truth
About what they voted for, and about whatever crimes were committed by the current administration*. Charlie Pierce, Esquire.

Some of it I think is just politics. Slotkin is someone who won in a Trump won district twice now so she can distance herself from Pelosi. My guess is that 2022 is going to be a new group of leadership in the House. A lot of them will be people we’ve seen rise in the Trump years. I think Pelosi with one final go at it before midterms is a good step. A lot of people don’t like her but I think a lot of people underestimate her ability to whip out votes. She got them in the House against the Iraq War resolution, got em for ACA, and then for impeaching Trump. Is she a little cautious? Sure, maybe but I’d like someone to name a more consequential Speaker of hte past 20 years since Newt got the boot. Hastert, Boehner, and Ryan have nothing on Nancy Pelosi.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:35:26am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:38:36am
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Semper Fi  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:39:03am

re: #44 🌹UOJB!

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Hate to admit this:

The first thing I would like to see Biden do in the Oval Office is send the desk Trump used to the chipper.

Yes, I damn sure would if it were me.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:40:25am

Honestly, aside from devoting more of the curriculum to Civics, I would like to see more of the history curriculum focus on recent history. I think you could teach an entire semester or year on the 20th century alone. And I think that should be a gen ed at any university.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:41:09am
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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:41:15am

re: #58 Semper Fi

Hate to admit this:

The first thing I would like to see Biden do in the Oval Office is send the desk Trump used to the chipper.

Yes, I damn sure would if it were me.

Isn’t he using the Resolute desk? If so, that’s a nope from me. Bag it and disinfect it, for sure!

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:42:17am

re: #60 Dread Pirate Ron

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Blame McConnell.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:44:06am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:45:40am

re: #60 Dread Pirate Ron

This is what happens when you put Tea Party products into the WH. If this administration has a reoccuring theme, it’s that it is something that came about because of the Tea Party: the conspiracies about Obama, the paranoia about government’s role, people like Meadows who get elected because “I’m a common sense conservative darn it”, etc. We need public servants that see government as essential and not as Reagan stupidly put it the “problem.” And yes I know he was talking about government as we know it but that was the problem. It created this mindset that government always bad, Reagan’s version of capitalism always good. I can go back into my yard and be on a government funded bike trail. That walk can take me to nature or to commercial areas.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:46:12am

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Entirely on brand. He has time to search through his old tweets but not enough to pay attention and do something about the pandemic.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:46:57am
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Semper Fi  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:48:26am

re: #61 retired cynic

Isn’t he using the Resolute desk? If so, that’s a nope from me. Bag it and disinfect it, for sure!

Just checked the Resolute Desk online and gotta agree with you…

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:50:42am

Good.

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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:52:29am

Report: Trump Sought to Start a War Last Week, JM Ashby on bobcesca.com

Of course, we’ve all heard this, but Ashby adds this:

I won’t look a gift horse in the mouth, but we’re undoubtedly going to see some people try to rewrite history in the coming years. They’re going to frame Trump as a peacemaker even though he abandoned our allies, launched more drone strikes than President Obama did, ordered the assassination of a highly ranked Iranian general, escalated tensions with China, enabled Saudi Arabia’s genocide in Yemen, and actually improved North Korea’s standing in the world. And those are just the things that immediately come to mind.

We’re already hearing that, from such bright stars as Glenn Greenwald.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:53:59am

re: #69 retired cynic

Report: Trump Sought to Start a War Last Week, JM Ashby on bobcesca.com

Of course, we’ve all heard this, but Ashby adds this:

We’re already hearing that, from such bright stars as Glenn Greenwald.

Greenwald ain’t nothing but a rat fuck. But you’re right. Trump has nearly started several large scale wars but we’ve managed to avoid them and I still have to deal with poorly informed people telling me that Trump is somehow more of a “dove” than Clinton or Obama were because they don’t know how FP works.

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mmmirele  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:57:11am

I’m telling you, the feds ought to just go to the states and ask for all the Lambo registrations since the beginning of the year. It’s like every one of these PPP scammers runs out to buy a high end car.

7 charged with stealing millions in Covid-19 relief, spending it on Lamborghini and Porsche

The alleged conspirators, based in Texas and Illinois, were charged with wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud, the Justice Department said.

*snip*

The Justice Department alleged that the group submitted dozens of fraudulent loan applications that included falsified payroll expenses, tax forms, bank records and other documents.

Hundreds of fake paychecks were cashed by fake employees — including Aqueel’s 86-year-old mother — at a check-cashing business owned by one of the defendants, the indictment alleges.

They sought $30 million from the Payroll Protection Program, the federal loan program that set aside more than $600 billion to assist small businesses during the coronavirus pandemic this year, according to the indictment.

nbcnews.com

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unproven innocence  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:57:52am

re: #33 lawhawk

It’s Trumpworld, so it’ll be Trump being driven around Daytona speedway thinking he’ll outrun the cops.

Apparently DJT has never watched Thunder Road to the movie’s end. (Spoiler alert: that ending is in the first 25 seconds of this preview.)

Thunder Road , 1958 Trailer

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Jay C  Nov 18, 2020 • 11:59:55am

re: #67 Semper Fi

Just checked the Resolute Desk online and gotta agree with you…

Yeah: that desk has a bigger and better history than even Trump can disfigure; even if Joe doesn’t want to use it, there are several historic desks POTUS can use: the Resolute Desk can be “furloughed” to another office.

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PrairieQueen  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:00:10pm

re: #1 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Correct. They have no ethics. Not gonna do shit.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:00:17pm

re: #71 mmmirele

It’s as if none of these people ever watched Good Fellas.

Goodfellas - Lufthansa Heist Aftermath

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:02:35pm

re: #75 lawhawk

It’s as if none of these people ever watched Good Fellas.

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I do look forward to the epilogue sentences being shown to Sid’s vicious version of My Way. Though you could sell me on the Fargo theme with Governor Whitmer saying “There’s more ot life than just a little bit of money, dontcha know that Donnie?”Seriously though of the people who have become prominent in the past year, Governor Whitmer is one of my favorites. She’s tough, intelligent, and really cares a lot about her state.

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:02:49pm

re: #69 retired cynic

Report: Trump Sought to Start a War Last Week, JM Ashby on bobcesca.com

Of course, we’ve all heard this, but Ashby adds this:

We’re already hearing that, from such bright stars as Glenn Greenwald.

the only thing he hasn’t done (yet) is literally start a war

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:04:10pm

re: #71 mmmirele

I’m telling you, the feds ought to just go to the states and ask for all the Lambo registrations since the beginning of the year. It’s like every one of these PPP scammers runs out to buy a high end car.

nbcnews.com

it was obvious from day 1 when the R’s wouldnt agree to require proof of the money being correctly spent with reporting and receipts

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William Lewis  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:06:00pm

re: #75 lawhawk

It’s as if none of these people ever watched Good Fellas.

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Video

Oooh, can we have a Layla sequence with the Trump Crime Family?

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:06:49pm

re: #79 William Lewis

Oooh, can we have a Layla sequence with the Trump Crime Family?

I suspect it’d be more like Lundegard fleeing the cops in Fargo than Good Fellas.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:08:24pm

re: #77 dangerman

the only thing he hasn’t done (yet) is literally start a war

And with his Presidency no longer a certainty he’ll be a lot more reckless than he was when he thought he would be. The way people are either unaware of the bounties (thank goodness for Senator Duckworth who brings it up whenever she can or numb to it. I see a lot of people including some on the left defend Trump because “Well he hasn’t started a war”, Ah true but he’s creating the conditions that could lead to a massive one.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:09:28pm

re: #80 lawhawk

I suspect it’d be more like Lundegard fleeing the cops in Fargo than Good Fellas.

It’s a story that the Coens could tell but it’s set in Marty’s NYC centric universe.

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:10:56pm

re: #80 lawhawk

I suspect it’d be more like Lundegard fleeing the cops in Fargo than Good Fellas.

if you haven’t, Hear Eric Clapton and Duane Allman’s Isolated Guitar Tracks from “Layla”

YouTube

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PrairieQueen  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:12:10pm

re: #77 dangerman

the only thing he hasn’t done (yet) is literally start a war

Or set a bucket of mice on fire.

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:13:04pm

re: #84 PrairieQueen

Or set a bucket of mice on fire.

as to that, i have heard people say….

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:15:05pm
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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:16:02pm

re: #86 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

We know the answer:

1) IOKIYAR
2) it’s black and white.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:17:54pm

Some old white people just need to go already.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:18:29pm

re: #87 lawhawk

We know the answer:

1) IOKIYAR
2) it’s black and white.

Literally.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:23:26pm
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Thanos  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:24:36pm

When things get to me nowadays, I pop this on the TV in the background. All those smiling fans can’t help but make you happy.

twenty one pilots - Level of Concern (Never-Ending Music Video)

*It’s also been looping since 6/21/2020 with new fan video and pics added regularly.)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:26:13pm

re: #90 Dread Pirate Ron

Guys the less Biden says about this the better. It’s up to the future DOJ leadership to investigate all this and to be the face of it. This is why I didn’t want Harris to be AG. I think she’s a gifted political leader in addition to her excellence as a civil servant. I don’t know who they’ll choose but there’s a lot of good choices that he can make and leave us in good hands.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:27:23pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:29:19pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:30:31pm

re: #94 Dread Pirate Ron

The more this drags on, the more it hurts them but at the same time, if they are to admit the gig is up, that’s a lot of reliably Republican voters turning on the GOP. Too fucking bad, they made their beds by making their base hostile to democratic norms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:34:34pm

re: #95 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The more this drags on, the more it hurts them but at the same time, if they are to admit the gig is up, that’s a lot of reliably Republican voters turning on the GOP. Too fucking bad, they made their beds by making their base hostile to democratic norms.

They are hoist by their own petard, so to speak. They know that control of the Senate hangs on winning two runoff elections in Georgia and if they alienate Trump, they lessen their chances of ever mattering again.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:36:23pm

re: #90 Dread Pirate Ron

This shit is so disheartening. Why live right and do the right things? Justice is for the little people.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:36:42pm

re: #96 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are hoist by their own petard, so to speak. They know that control of the Senate hangs on winning two runoff elections in Georgia and if they alienate Trump, they lessen their chances of ever mattering again.

And I think that’s gonna be their undoing. Trumpism without Trump isn’t going to work. It’s all gonna be an internal contest to who can be the most Trumpy. Trump isn’t going to fade into former President years like the Bushes and Reagan have and did. I think the only reason why Obama became so vocal is because of what a disaster Trump has been in so many ways.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:46:01pm
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:51:19pm

re: #60 Dread Pirate Ron

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One more step down the destruction path. Putin must be so proud.

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ericblair  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:54:18pm

“work”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 12:56:15pm

re: #101 ericblair

“work”

Tee time.

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steve_davis  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:02:52pm

re: #72 unproven innocence

Apparently DJT has never watched Thunder Road to the movie’s end. (Spoiler alert: that ending is in the first 25 seconds of this preview.)

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Video

LOL! Car is blown on its side from gas station explosion. Woman standing behind horrified man is like “Wow, finally! I’m getting paid 50 bucks to stand here. When does the scene start?”

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:05:32pm

re: #24 🌹UOJB!

The same reason that Bannon hadn’t been arrested for similar threatening comments. IOKIYAR. Hope this changes.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:11:02pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:12:06pm

re: #105 Dread Pirate Ron

All about them and I hate the phrase “virtue signaling” to their base that they’re badasses who don’t need masks.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:12:12pm
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garzooma  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:14:00pm

re: #100 Eventual Carrion

One more step down the destruction path. Putin must be so proud.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:14:16pm

re: #107 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Who needs us, we didn’t vote for your favorite President. The way he casually said he would deny the vaccine to New York because he’s butthurt how Cuomo has criticized him really says a lot about who he is but people want to act like this is just an ideological disagreement. No, it’s a moral one and Trump fails the moral test of leadership everytime.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:20:15pm

re: #107 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

He knows everyone hates him and he’s making everyone pay for it. He’s broken, and I believe not redeemable. Because he doesn’t want to be. There is no joy, no love, no contentment or sense of peace. He is spiteful, angry, mean and hateful. And so are his followers and enablers. Which frightens the hell out of me. What the hell is going on that so many people support and cheer this madness on? It’s like covid, spreading anywhere it can find a host.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:21:50pm

PBS rescues A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving from the clutches of Apple TV+, will air on PBS stations.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:22:17pm

Tennesee-Aalabama border, a severe hotspot:

Tennessee mayor won’t require COVID masks until Holy Spirit says so

Lincoln County is mostly rural with about 34,000 residents, and Newman said about a third of those head south to Huntsville and Madison County every day for work. It is Trump Country with 78 percent of its vote on Nov. 3 going to the president and it has had 1,322 COVID cases since the pandemic began, according to state numbers.

al.com

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:26:04pm

re: #110 A Mom Anon

He knows everyone hates him and he’s making everyone pay for it. He’s broken, and I believe not redeemable. Because he doesn’t want to be. There is no joy, no love, no contentment or sense of peace. He is spiteful, angry, mean and hateful. And so are his followers and enablers. Which frightens the hell out of me. What the hell is going on that so many people support and cheer this madness on? It’s like covid, spreading anywhere it can find a host.

Remember the first-graders in the corner of the recess yard, the ones most kids avoided? They grew up.

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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:29:49pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

Remember the first-graders in the corner of the recess yard, the ones most kids avoided? They grew up.

Not really. They physically became adults which isn’t the same thing as growing up.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:31:19pm

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Separation of church and state be damned. Can you imagine the reaction if a Muslim mayor said that he wouldn’t take action until Mohammed spoke to him?

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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:31:52pm

re: #110 A Mom Anon

He knows everyone hates him and he’s making everyone pay for it. He’s broken, and I believe not redeemable. Because he doesn’t want to be. There is no joy, no love, no contentment or sense of peace. He is spiteful, angry, mean and hateful. And so are his followers and enablers. Which frightens the hell out of me. What the hell is going on that so many people support and cheer this madness on? It’s like covid, spreading anywhere it can find a host.

We have two major epidemics in the US, and the covid19 epidemic is by far the milder of the two. The real epidemic we face is an epidemic of stupidity and hate welded into a political power by Republicans.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:32:26pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:32:40pm

re: #115 Patricia Kayden

Separation of church and state be damned. Can you imagine the reaction if a Muslim mayor said that he wouldn’t take action until Mohammed spoke to him?

The Prophet doesn’t spend much time on rural Tennessee politics.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:35:46pm

re: #117 Patricia Kayden

“A second official tells CNN their goal is to set so many fires that it will be hard for the Joe Biden administration to put them all out.”

for example, giving away as many mineral rights as possible so that Biden is seen as the one who comes and “takes them away”

withdrawing so many troops from critical regions that Biden is seen as the hawk for “sending more soldiers”

Artificially pumping up the stock market through massive tax cuts and direct bailouts so that Biden can watch it finally collapse (and take the blame)

Signing so many crazed EC’s that Biden seems like the “dictator” for signing EC’s to rescind them all.

There is a certain method to the madness, though it be madness nonetheless…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:36:17pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

The Prophet doesn’t spend much time on rural Tennessee politics.

ah but he does, biding his time until he can put a jihad on all those Volunteers…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:36:28pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:38:12pm

re: #109 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Who needs us, we didn’t vote for your favorite President. The way he casually said he would deny the vaccine to New York because he’s butthurt how Cuomo has criticized him really says a lot about who he is but people want to act like this is just an ideological disagreement. No, it’s a moral one and Trump fails the moral test of leadership everytime.

Again again again, Trump forgets that there are still lots of Republicans living in New York and California and Illinois, etc…but obviously if they cannot help him get re-elected they are of little use or interest to him.

He would rather punish them and see it as collateral damage for sticking one to the Liberals.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:43:05pm

re: #117 Patricia Kayden

Wonder if the CNN reporter asked them if they consider attacking America to be patriotic.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:43:31pm

re: #121 Dread Pirate Ron

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How is it that two decades after going into Afghanistan, we still haven’t figured out any sort of diplomatic/nation building strategy?

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:45:39pm
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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:45:45pm

re: #124 KGxvi

How is it that two decades after going into Afghanistan, we still haven’t figured out any sort of diplomatic/nation building strategy?

Because Iraq was more important.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:45:59pm

re: #124 KGxvi

How is it that two decades after going into Afghanistan, we still haven’t figured out any sort of diplomatic/nation building strategy?

It’s possible that Afghanistan is as built as it wants to be.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:46:15pm

re: #117 Patricia Kayden

“A second official tells @CNN their goal is to set so many fires that it will be hard for the @JoeBiden administration to put them all out.”

You know, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to hear about former Trump staffers being punched in the face a lot.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:51:39pm

re: #128 makeitstop

You know, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to hear about former Trump staffers being punched in the face a lot.

No sympathy if they never work in Washington again. DC before these assholes came to town was a better place.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:53:26pm

re: #128 makeitstop

You know, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to hear about former Trump staffers being punched in the face a lot.

Remember, people, keep your wrist straight!

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IngisKahn  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:55:27pm

What is the solution to all this?
Our country cannot be run with two diametrically opposed parties. It does seem like this is the inevitable outcome of plurality voting - it can only support two parties and they keep pushing further apart (some more than others) until one is bound to fall off the deep end. The pendulum is already bashing through the side of the clock case and I fear it may not even get back to neutral this time. Are we at the point where the Rs have done enough damage both to the operation of our government and the psyche of the nation that the Ds will be powerless to repair either?

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:56:55pm
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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:57:26pm

re: #131 IngisKahn

What is the solution to all this?
Our country cannot be run with two diametrically opposed parties. It does seem like this is the inevitable outcome of plurality voting - it can only support two parties and they keep pushing further apart (some more than others) until one is bound to fall off the deep end. The pendulum is already bashing through the side of the clock case and I fear it may not even get back to neutral this time. Are we at the point where the Rs have done enough damage both to the operation of our government and the psyche of the nation that the Ds will be powerless to repair either?

We need real punishment for bad actors, and a wide swath of them not a few individual fall guys. If enough high profile Republicans get punished for breaking democratic norms and the laws of our nation it will no longer seem like as appealing an option to others.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2020 • 1:59:21pm

re: #130 Jebediah, RBG

Remember, people, keep your wrist straight!

And don’t tuck your thumbs in, you’ll break ‘em.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:01:21pm

re: #133 jamesfirecat

We need real punishment for bad actors, and a wide swath of them not a few individual fall guys. If enough high profile Republicans get punished for breaking democratic norms and the laws of our nation it will no longer seem like as appealing an option to others.

Three years ago I was totally opposed to using the legal system to punish opposition politicians. That’s third-world bullshit. Now I want blood sacrifice. First-born stand-ins are negotiable.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:01:56pm

re: #135 Decatur Deb

Three years ago I was totally opposed to using the legal system to punish opposition politicians. That’s third-world bullshit. Now I want blood sacrifice. First-born stand-ins are negotiable.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:03:23pm

re: #134 makeitstop

Aim with the second and third knuckles.
Aim past the face.
Follow through!

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:05:11pm
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IngisKahn  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:05:21pm

re: #133 jamesfirecat

That would be good, but the Rs may still hold enough power, and certainly the will to prevent that.

I remember back in early 2016 I thought the US was inherently a force for good in the world and most of its citizens were good people at heart. Come that election I had to rethink that. Maybe a third of the people here really are evil. After this election it’s clear that half are.

/kinda despondent

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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:05:58pm

re: #135 Decatur Deb

Three years ago I was totally opposed to using the legal system to punish opposition politicians. That’s third-world bullshit. Now I want blood sacrifice. First-born stand-ins are negotiable.

The crucial point is that going after Trump and his cronies isn’t using the legal system to punish Republicans for being out of power.

It is merely prosecuting crime.

The fact that Trump and his gang have made ‘criminal’ and ‘Republican’ synonyms cannot be allowed to function as a get out of jail free card via GOP whining about politically motivated prosecution.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:08:27pm

re: #139 IngisKahn

That would be good, but the Rs may still hold enough power, and certainly the will to prevent that.

I remember back in early 2016 I thought the US was inherently a force for good in the world and most of its citizens were good people at heart. Come that election I had to rethink that. Maybe a third of the people here really are evil. After this election it’s clear that half are.

/kinda despondent

The problem we have is that a third of the population can control the Senate.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:09:11pm

re: #139 IngisKahn

That would be good, but the Rs may still hold enough power, and certainly the will to prevent that.

I remember back in early 2016 I thought the US was inherently a force for good in the world and most of its citizens were good people at heart. Come that election I had to rethink that. Maybe a third of the people here really are evil. After this election it’s clear that half are.

/kinda despondent

Un-despond. Only about 75,000,000 are evil (or stupid) enough to vote for him. Still something of a problem…

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:09:47pm

re: #141 Belafon

The problem we have is that a third of the population can control the Senate.

DC and Puerto Rico needs to be made states via the second bill we pass with the first being a corna virus stimulus.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:12:04pm

re: #139 IngisKahn

That would be good, but the Rs may still hold enough power, and certainly the will to prevent that.

I remember back in early 2016 I thought the US was inherently a force for good in the world and most of its citizens were good people at heart. Come that election I had to rethink that. Maybe a third of the people here really are evil. After this election it’s clear that half are.

/kinda despondent

Remember Rise of Skywalker.

Yes it’s a movie that could have done a lot of things better, but there was one thing about it that stood out… Fascists win not by being stronger or more numerous than those they seek to rule, but instead by cowing them into silent submission and acceptance.

There are more of us….

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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:12:47pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

Un-despond. Only about 75,000,000 are evil (or stupid) enough to vote for him. Still something of a problem…

I mean, that’s still a quarter of the country, and that’s not taking into account the people that agree with him and support him but didn’t vote. It’d be interesting to get firm numbers on what percentage of Trump supporters actually voted. With that said, the real problem - as pointed out in re: #141 Belafon - is that a third of the country can completely stonewall the government by controlling the Senate. We need to rework the way the Senate works so that it continues to preserve the rights of the minority, without allowing them to control the agenda of the majority.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:13:57pm

re: #144 jamesfirecat

Remember Rise of Skywalker.

Yes it’s a movie that could have done a lot of things better, but there was one thing about it that stood out… Fascists win not by being stronger or more numerous than those they seek to rule, but instead by cowing them into silent submission and acceptance.

There are more of us….

Also the lesson from A Bug’s Life.

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:16:34pm

re: #99 Dread Pirate Ron

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when rhetoric meets reality, rhetoric always gets slapped in the puss

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:18:05pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:18:46pm

re: #148 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Is somebody gonna tell him? Somebody should tell him.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:20:18pm
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IngisKahn  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:21:31pm

re: #145 thedopefishlives

Is that even worth thinking about? Would require a third of Republicans to vote to destroy their party.

Might as well make this happen:

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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:23:01pm

re: #148 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

These goddamn Republican pricks are like rats deliberately chewing through the foundation of a dam that’s the only thing preventing a lakeside town from being under 50 feet of water.

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unproven innocence  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:24:05pm

re: #124 KGxvi

How is it that two decades after going into Afghanistan, we still haven’t figured out any sort of diplomatic/nation building strategy?

Jackie Kennedy and Lady Diana have each done more for Afghanistan than Trump has.

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:25:26pm

re: #135 Decatur Deb

Three years ago I was totally opposed to using the legal system to punish opposition politicians. That’s third-world bullshit. Now I want blood sacrifice. First-born stand-ins are negotiable.

they are no longer politicians because they are not principled players.

they do not wish to participate in the complicated business of negotiating agreements between groups with different interests with the object of finding a common way forward. statesmanship *is* compromise.

they do not market any notion of democratic participatory ‘politics’ but rather authoritarian and dictatorial power, domination, and force of will.

they do not merely disagree and still tolerate us. their disagreement is rooted in oppressing us and denying our humanity and right to exist.

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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:26:06pm

re: #124 KGxvi

How is it that two decades after going into Afghanistan, we still haven’t figured out any sort of diplomatic/nation building strategy?

External powers have been face planting in Afghanistan for well over a thousand years. It was a perfect example of W Bush hubris to think the US would fare any differently.

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:28:58pm

re: #143 jamesfirecat

DC and Puerto Rico needs to be made states via the second bill we pass with the first being a corna virus stimulus.

assuming we take the Senate.

(also, the John Lewis Voting Rights Act).

and maybe something about gerrymandering?

ETA: and enlarge the House

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:29:24pm

re: #149 thedopefishlives

Is somebody gonna tell him? Somebody should tell him.

Once he’s behind bars.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:30:15pm

re: #151 IngisKahn

No way. My town would wind up the capitol of NOFLALGA.

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Weaselone  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:32:45pm

re: #125 jaunte

Hmmm. Isn’t the more important consideration not whether the two extremes agree with each other about whether something has happened, but to what extent the two sides beliefs diverge from reality?

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dangerman  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:33:21pm
“In the final weeks of President Trump’s term, his administration intends to execute three inmates on federal death row, the last scheduled executions by the Justice Department before the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden, who has signaled he will end federal use of capital punishment,” the New York Times reports.
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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:36:00pm

re: #93 lawhawk

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Tell them to fuck off. Newsom confessed and apologized before anyone knew about it. Also, his “sin” was within the rules when he “committed” it.

(The question is whether Newsom, invited to a gathering under the rules then current, but knowing that cases were rising rapidly, should have held himself to some higher standard and left. It is NOT whether he broke the rules — he didn’t.)

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IngisKahn  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:36:17pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

No way. My town would wind up the capitol of NOFLALGA.

Ya, can’t say I’m a fan of the names here either:

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:36:24pm
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:36:48pm

re: #124 KGxvi

How is it that two decades after going into Afghanistan, we still haven’t figured out any sort of diplomatic/nation building strategy?

Alexander the Great couldn’t
Gladstone, Disraeli & Salisbury couldn’t.
The USSR couldn’t.
What makes anyone think we could?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:38:00pm

re: #160 dangerman

“In the final weeks of President Trump’s term, his administration intends to execute three inmates on federal death row, the last scheduled executions by the Justice Department before the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden, who has signaled he will end federal use of capital punishment,” the New York Times reports.

It might be a good lifestyle choice if the Trump circle were to make us forget there is a federal death penalty.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:38:54pm

re: #164 🌹UOJB!

Alexander the Great couldn’t
Gladstone, Disraeli & Salisbury couldn’t.
The USSR couldn’t.
What makes anyone think we could?

Shokn’aw.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:39:24pm

re: #162 IngisKahn

Ya, can’t say I’m a fan of the names here either:

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Would the state boundaries need to be adjusted every 10 years with the census?

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IngisKahn  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:41:46pm

re: #167 🌹UOJB!

Nah, only need this temporarily until the senate and EC are disbanded. You can switch it back afterwards :)

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:42:09pm

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

for example, giving away as many mineral rights as possible so that Biden is seen as the one who comes and “takes them away”

withdrawing so many troops from critical regions that Biden is seen as the hawk for “sending more soldiers”

Artificially pumping up the stock market through massive tax cuts and direct bailouts so that Biden can watch it finally collapse (and take the blame)

Signing so many crazed EC’s that Biden seems like the “dictator” for signing EC’s to rescind them all.

There is a certain method to the madness, though it be madness nonetheless…

The people who support Biden don’t have a problem with this. The people who pretend to care can caterwaul all they like — just tell the truth when asked and otherwise ignore them.

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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:42:27pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

No way. My town would wind up the capitol of NOFLALGA.

I’d be in VANOSOCAR. I think I’d be OK with that—we’d get all the beaches.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:42:57pm

re: #167 🌹UOJB!

Would the state boundaries need to be adjusted every 10 years with the census?

Forcible resettlement into Sorosvilles.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:44:47pm

re: #124 KGxvi

How is it that two decades after going into Afghanistan, we still haven’t figured out any sort of diplomatic/nation building strategy?

Read a history of Afghanistan and all will become clear. Going in there with any intentions beyond chasing down Bin Laden was as big a mistake as invading Iraq.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:45:18pm

re: #167 🌹UOJB!

Would the state boundaries need to be adjusted every 10 years with the census?

No, but no one would be allowed to move.

/

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IngisKahn  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:46:35pm

re: #173 makeitstop

You can move, you just gotta swap with someone :)

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IngisKahn  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:47:53pm

Anyone wanna move from Seattle to Newark?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:48:32pm

re: #175 IngisKahn

Anyone wanna move from Seattle to Newark?

Anybody want to move to Baja Alabama from anywhere?

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:48:47pm

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

for example, giving away as many mineral rights as possible so that Biden is seen as the one who comes and “takes them away”

withdrawing so many troops from critical regions that Biden is seen as the hawk for “sending more soldiers”

Artificially pumping up the stock market through massive tax cuts and direct bailouts so that Biden can watch it finally collapse (and take the blame)

Signing so many crazed EC’s that Biden seems like the “dictator” for signing EC’s to rescind them all.

There is a certain method to the madness, though it be madness nonetheless…

And you know who will be the first to jump up and blame Biden for all this fuckery? The “Red Rose” progressives. In fact they already are.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:52:20pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

No way. My town would wind up the capitol of NOFLALGA.

Another problem from a Southern California perspective:

LA and Orange Counties have a lot more in common than Orange County and San Diego County. For reference, the LA media market/metro area includes LA, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, and Ventura Counties.

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A Cranky One  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:52:31pm

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IngisKahn  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:53:38pm

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Anybody want to move to Baja Alabama from anywhere?

OK, maybe you don’t need a 1:1 swap, you can work out a chain of families living in slightly more desirable areas nearby to finally find a taker from San Fran.

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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:54:41pm

re: #172 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

Read a history of Afghanistan and all will become clear. Going in there with any intentions beyond chasing down Bin Laden was as big a mistake as invading Iraq.

Yeah, in and out was always the only US strategy that made sense in Afghanistan.

“We aren’t here to rule you or to build your nation. We came here to kill some jackasses in your government that let their problems become a US problem, and once we’ve done that we’ll be gone.

If we have to do it again, nobody in the country who aided and abetted whatever outrage brought us back to this pesthole will survive. Bank on it.”

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:55:43pm

re: #170 BeachDem

I’d be in VANOSOCAR. I think I’d be OK with that—we’d get all the beaches.

I look forward to my new Yerba Buena overlords.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:56:33pm

re: #180 IngisKahn

OK, maybe you don’t need a 1:1 swap, you can work out a chain of families living in slightly more desirable areas nearby to finally find a taker from San Fran.

There’s some kind of reality show where contestants trade a paper clip up to a Lamborgini or something.

(A few years ago some church kids came by on a scavenger hunt. I gave them a damaged 3-bladed prop from a twin Beech. Happy kids.)

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2020 • 2:58:08pm

re: #181 EPR-radar

Yeah, in and out was always the only US strategy that made sense in Afghanistan.

“We aren’t here to rule you or to build your nation. We came here to kill some jackasses in your government that let their problems become a US problem, and once we’ve done that we’ll be gone.

If we have to do it again, nobody in the country who aided and abetted whatever outrage brought us back to this pesthole will survive. Bank on it.”

The problem is, we absolutely would have been back by now if that was the approach. After WWI we walked away from Europe and ended up back there within a generation. Same, arguably, in Iraq - if we wouldn’t have had to go in when we did, we probably would have had to go in when Saddam died and Uday and Qusay fought for power in order to prevent a regional war.

I don’t know, maybe y’all are right and there was no other answer…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:00:50pm

re: #178 KGxvi

That map doesn’t even make sense. LA county alone has enough population to be a “state”, so why lump other counties with it?

Let’s face it, “states” are a hangover from the old days of empires and feudal lords.

In a modern society with communication at the speed of light, distance is not such a big deal in coordinating a society.

Distance is still a big deal when it comes to material wealth.

Again, the real problem we have as a country is that the Senate is now woefully out of date.

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IngisKahn  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:00:51pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

There’s some kind of reality show where contestants trade a paper clip up to a Lamborgini or something.

(A few years ago some church kids came by on a scavenger hunt. I gave them a damaged 3-bladed prop from a twin Beech. Happy kids.)

I’m sure someone in Atlanta wants a sprawling property in King, then it should be no problem to find someone in Yerba that wants to start a new job in Atlanta. This can work guys! :p

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:02:07pm

re: #184 KGxvi

The Age of Empires never really went away. It just morphed a bit.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:02:52pm

re: #184 KGxvi

The problem is, we absolutely would have been back by now if that was the approach. After WWI we walked away from Europe and ended up back there within a generation. Same, arguably, in Iraq - if we wouldn’t have had to go in when we did, we probably would have had to go in when Saddam died and Uday and Qusay fought for power in order to prevent a regional war.

I don’t know, maybe y’all are right and there was no other answer…

In Afghanistan? One hard smack on the hands (metaphorically speaking) for foreign adventurism, and they could go back to quarreling with their neighbors just as they’ve been doing since Alexander the Macedonian blew through there.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:04:30pm

re: #186 IngisKahn

I’m sure someone in Atlanta wants a sprawling property in King, then it should be no problem to find someone in Yerba that wants to start a new job in Atlanta. This can work guys! :p

I want to live under a bridge in Venexia. I have the bridge picked out.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:04:47pm

Granted, the Bush Administration’s reliance on Afghan exiles was probably pretty stupid to begin with… what was the name of the guy they thought was going to swoop in and be the new president?

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:07:15pm

re: #188 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

In Afghanistan? One hard smack on the hands (metaphorically speaking) for foreign adventurism, and they could go back to quarreling with their neighbors just as they’ve been doing since Alexander the Macedonian blew through there.

I mean, the lack of a civil society and a constant state of war is what gave AQ the cover to operate there. So I don’t think it’s too far out of bounds to think it could have happened again

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William Lewis  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:07:48pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

(A few years ago some church kids came by on a scavenger hunt. I gave them a damaged 3-bladed prop from a twin Beech. Happy kids.)

Well that sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole. I really didn’t realize just how many twin engine models Beech has made :D

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:10:15pm

re: #184 KGxvi

The problem is, we absolutely would have been back by now if that was the approach. After WWI we walked away from Europe and ended up back there within a generation. Same, arguably, in Iraq - if we wouldn’t have had to go in when we did, we probably would have had to go in when Saddam died and Uday and Qusay fought for power in order to prevent a regional war.

I don’t know, maybe y’all are right and there was no other answer…

I don’t know if it would have ever been possible to get Iraq to work — but the team sent it to rebuild Iraq after the 2003 war consisted of a bunch of ignoramuses and ideologues who knew nothing about the country or its history. On the same order of sending Trump in to handle the situation in Iraq and expecting a blossoming democracy.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:14:14pm

Assange, you asshole.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:15:47pm

I suspect that if we were going to get Iraq or Afghanistan to work we needed to have been willing to actually do nation building in line with what we did in Japan/Germany where we squat over the nation and be all “You lost a war to us, so we get to make all the decisions for what happens to your people for a while until we’re sure you’re ready to take over” but I don’t think there was the political capital to support that sort of approach so instead we insisted that if we just kicked the door down killed a few tyrants then the people would instantly rise up and create a perfect democracy….

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:19:06pm

re: #195 jamesfirecat

I suspect that if we were going to get Iraq or Afghanistan to work we needed to have been willing to actually do nation building in line with what we did in Japan/Germany where we squat over the nation and be all “You lost a war to us, so we get to make all the decisions for what happens to your people for a while until we’re sure you’re ready to take over” but I don’t think there was the political capital to support that sort of approach so instead we insisted that if we just kicked the door down killed a few tyrants then the people would instantly rise up and create a perfect democracy….

The scars of Vietnam… too much focus on exit strategies

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:20:35pm

re: #191 KGxvi

I mean, the lack of a civil society and a constant state of war is what gave AQ the cover to operate there. So I don’t think it’s too far out of bounds to think it could have happened again

“Charlie Wilson’s War” made the point that when we dislodged the Russians, we failed to follow through and spend money on rebuilding the society. Recall Colin Powell’s Pottery Barn rule re Iraq: You break it, you own it. We excel at breaking things, reassembling not so much. After WWII, we spent the money and effort to rebuild Western Europe but that was a very rare situation.

We would rather spend money on building prisons and incarcerating people than providing nutrition and education to children so that they can grow and be productive members of society. Lyndon Johnson tried to address this but was destroyed by the war he left to the “best and brightest”.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:23:23pm

re: #191 KGxvi

I mean, the lack of a civil society and a constant state of war is what gave AQ the cover to operate there. So I don’t think it’s too far out of bounds to think it could have happened again

If we’d hit the Taliban hard enough that their neighbors could overthrow them, the next lot would think very hard before making a similar alliance.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:28:23pm

re: #195 jamesfirecat

I suspect that if we were going to get Iraq or Afghanistan to work we needed to have been willing to actually do nation building in line with what we did in Japan/Germany where we squat over the nation and be all “You lost a war to us, so we get to make all the decisions for what happens to your people for a while until we’re sure you’re ready to take over” but I don’t think there was the political capital to support that sort of approach so instead we insisted that if we just kicked the door down killed a few tyrants then the people would instantly rise up and create a perfect democracy….

Japan was and is a unified society, with a more or less single culture and millennia of shared history. And they wanted to be part of the world community, such as it is. Iraq and Afghanistan were cobbled together from parts at hand by foreigners who knew little about them. What worked for Japan was never going to work for either of them.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:28:53pm

re: #198 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

If we’d hit the Taliban hard enough that their neighbors could overthrow them, the next lot would think very hard before making a similar alliance.

We don’t even know how Florida works, and we pretend to have the answer for medieval Muslim drug empires.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:30:38pm

re: #199 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

Japan was and is a unified society, with a more or less single culture and millennia of shared history. And they wanted to be part of the world community, such as it is. Iraq and Afghanistan were cobbled together from parts at hand by foreigners who knew little about them. What worked for Japan was never going to work for either of them.

To be clear, I don’t think my idea was sure to work, I just feel it had a better chance of success than what we actually did, which seemed to rely on us just sending money and soldiers to aid whatever governments actually arose after we displaced the previous ones.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:32:11pm

re: #190 KGxvi

Granted, the Bush Administration’s reliance on Afghan exiles was probably pretty stupid to begin with… what was the name of the guy they thought was going to swoop in and be the new president?

Ngo Dinh Diem.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:32:12pm

re: #101 ericblair

Asked if Trump will campaign for Perdue and Loeffler, Meadows said that depends on Presidents official work schedule

Sorry Mark, but thanks for playing. The correct answer is - it depends on how much they let Trump skim of the top of their fundraising.

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Nojay UK  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:33:11pm

re: #198 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

If we’d hit the Taliban hard enough that their neighbors could overthrow them, the next lot would think very hard before making a similar alliance.

The “Taliban” have been around for centuries, loose groupings of clan leaders and warlords constantly at war with each other but coming together to fight rich invaders (see the Elphinstone Expedition for a worked example). They’ve been smacked around by experts (the Russians were not into nation-building but suffered from a “sunk cost” fallacy of constantly escalating their force structures in-country) and the clan leaders and warlords are still there, generation after generation after generation.

Unless some sensible invader is willing to slaughter every Afghan male aged eight and over without pity or exemption and rebuild the country from the ground up then all you can do is what the British in India did after trying to invade and control Afghanistan and failing, that is hold the passes and sow discord.

Frankly the US could have destroyed the local opposition in Afghanistan by simply paying them to kill each other. That wouldn’t have gone down well at home though since the US seems to have an aversion to bounties.

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PrairieQueen  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:35:40pm

re: #195 jamesfirecat

It’s been how many years now, and it’s a still a backwater haven for warloads and religious nuts. I’d say nuke the site from orbit, but I care so little about that area by now it isn’t worth the trouble.

Really, really, tired of them. For all it’s accomplished, we might have well lit the money on fire.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:35:58pm

re: #204 Nojay UK

Unless some sensible invader is willing to slaughter every Afghan male aged eight and over without pity or exemption and rebuild the country from the ground

I think you might want to revise this so it sounds less like advocating for genocide.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:41:51pm

Car Thief does obeisance and gets his reward:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:44:33pm

“”re: #190 KGxvi

Granted, the Bush Administration’s reliance on Afghan exiles was probably pretty stupid to begin with… what was the name of the guy they thought was going to swoop in and be the new president?

Think you may be thinking of Iraq and Chalabi. I always saw Iraq as being akin to the former Yugoslavia where once a constant- the Ba’ath party and Hussein in Iraq’s case and Tito in Yugoslavia fell that all hell would break loose. I think the Bush administration like many Americans failed to understand the complexities of the non European nation states. I had an Afghan classmate who was part of the Hazara and Shi’a minority of Afghanistan. If you remember the Kite Runner, the boy with the harelip was in that group and bullied because of it.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:45:32pm

re: #207 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Car Thief does obeisance and gets his reward:

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Car Thief Hedley Lamar kissing President Lepetomane Trump’s ass and savoring the farts…

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:45:42pm

re: #208 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

“”

Think you may be thinking of Iraq and Chalabi. I always saw Iraq as being akin to the former Yugoslavia where once a constant- the Ba’ath party and Hussein in Iraq’s case and Tito in Yugoslavia fell that all hell would break loose. I think the Bush administration like many Americans failed to understand the complexities of the non European nation states. I had an Afghan classmate who was part of the Hazara and Shi’a minority of Afghanistan. If you remember the Kite Runner, the boy with the harelip was in that group and bullied because of it.

Yeah, Chalabi in Iraq is the one I was thinking of.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:45:59pm

Understand this: Car Thief could no longer win in his own natural district, the one in which he lived, which has the most wealthy regions of San Diego county.

So Car Thief decide to run for Hunter-the-Felon’s old seat.

That part of San Diego county is loaded with folk who only vote how Je$u$ would vote.

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Nojay UK  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:46:29pm

re: #206 jamesfirecat

I think you might want to revise this so it sounds less like advocating for genocide.

I’m not advocating it, I even doubt it would work in reality but … an acquaintance spent time in that area under “circumstances” back in the 1970s, when things were quiet(er). He was once invited by a local village chief and opium-poppy farmer to go to market with him in Kandahar. The village chief was intending to pick up a 4-inch mortar of local manufacture plus sufficient ammo to express his opinion in a dispute over grazing lands and access to water with a village in the neighbouring valley. The dispute had been simmering for at least two generations and this would not have been the first time the two groups had exchanged, ahem, “opinions”.

Attempting to fix this sort of mindset by bombing the place from 30,000 feet and then invading and telling them what to do at gunpoint is, at best, amusing. Saying that the locals always welcome free-spending invaders. They still fondly remember Alexander the Great. He lost, by the way.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:48:37pm

Heads up, Charles - new Dirty Loops!

Dirty Loops - World On Fire

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:51:52pm

Let me repeat this: Car Thief’s political career shows what has happened to the Republican party.

His old district is one of the wealthiest, if not wealthiest, Congressional districts in the country.

By which I mean there are gaggles of millionaires - they are nothing special - and a non-trivial number of billionaires (though many may have only their vacation/winter homes there.)

Typical house value is over a million dollars.

Car Thief could not win among his own people.

So he had to go to the Je$u$ people and desert/mountain-rats land to get elected. And he didn’t win by a landslide at that (though the Democrat was always doomed, said Dem made a good showing.)

The GOP is now totally into hyper-nationalistic theocracy now.

The old “libertarian” thing is gone. The old “conservative” thing is gone.

It’s all religious grifting and sham faux-patriotism.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:52:08pm

re: #210 KGxvi

Yeah, Chalabi in Iraq is the one I was thinking of.

Yeah. It was just terrible thinking. I think W and his advisers had a lot of ignorance and arrogance about that part of the world. They weren’t stupid but they were foolish.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:52:12pm

re: #211 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Understand this: Car Thief could no longer win in his own natural district, the one in which he lived, which has the most wealthy regions of San Diego county.

So Car Thief decide to run for Hunter-the-Felon’s old seat.

That part of San Diego county is loaded with folk who only vote how Je$u$ would vote.

Issa actually slightly outperformed Hunter’s last election. Issa is at 53.9%, Hunter’s last re-election was at just 51%.

Looks like Republicans netted one seat in the California House delegation, as it’s now going to be 45-8, which is just… wow.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:55:37pm

re: #216 KGxvi

In 2018 Hunter was already publicly in trouble with his later-convicted crimes.

Yes, there was a prior-flipped seat in CA which flipped back.

Trump did up Republican turnout this time, which helped locally.

This is why I was so disturbed election night. It appears that Trump had better coattails than Biden.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:56:19pm
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stpaulbear  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:57:38pm

re: #22 Belafon

The moment you realize you’re a traitor, you should stop being a traitor.

Even if she broke down and decided to sign the document, Trumps toadies won’t let her within 50’ of it, and she’s afraid to say anything.

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Cheechako  Nov 18, 2020 • 3:59:16pm

Alaska is on the way to Ranked-Choice voting:

Alaska becomes second state to approve ranked-choice voting as Ballot Measure 2 passes by 1%

Starting with the 2022 election, the measure will merge the state’s two primary elections into one, and the top four vote-getters regardless of political party will advance to the general election. Some states have so-called “top two” primaries. Alaska will be the only state with a “top four” primary.

In the general election, voters will be asked to rank the four candidates in order of preference. Maine already uses that system. Ranked-choice voting would apply to legislative races, and all statewide races, including governor, U.S. Senate and U.S. House. The 2024 presidential race will also be ranked-choice but is not subject to the top-four primary.

It’s going to be a little different up here with the top 4 candidates appearing on the ballot. Going to dilute the vote. Most races up here have no more than 3 peoples on the ballot. Though, this year the were 8 candidates for POTUS on the General Election ballot.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:00:35pm

re: #214 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The GOP is now totally into hyper-nationalistic theocracy now.

The old “libertarian” thing is gone. The old “conservative” thing is gone.

It’s all religious grifting and sham faux-patriotism.

The CAGOP has been there for the better part of two decades, really. If it wasn’t for Arnold’s win in the recall election, they might have collapsed entirely.

In real numbers, there’s fewer Republicans in California now than there was in 2000. In 2000, the party split was 45.4/34.9/14.4 D/R/I - in real numbers that was 7.1m/5.4m/2.2m (this doesn’t count people registered third party). This year it’s 46.1/24.2/24 or 10.1m/5.3m/5.2m. While they gained almost 300k new voters since 2016, Dems gained almost 1.5m new voters, and Independents gained 570k… hell, third parties combined gained more new registered voters from 2016 to 2020 than the GOP did.

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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:01:45pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:03:26pm

hi

re: #162 IngisKahn

Ya, can’t say I’m a fan of the names here either:

Ogallala is either a Native American nation or an aquifer. I like Sandhills or Northern Plains.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:03:29pm

re: #217 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

In 2018 Hunter was already publicly in trouble with his later-convicted crimes.

Yes, there was a prior-flipped seat in CA which flipped back.

Trump did up Republican turnout this time, which helped locally.

This is why I was so disturbed election night. It appears that Trump had better coattails than Biden.

I’m not particularly surprised that the two seats flipped back in Orange County. Cisneros won off of great turn out in the LA county part of the district two years ago. This time, the north OC vote really turned out. Rouda’s district wasn’t particularly surprising either, Huntington Beach can be… well, Huntington Beach.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:05:46pm

re: #210 KGxvi

Yeah, Chalabi in Iraq is the one I was thinking of.

Yeah the piece of shit who was getting it on with Judith Miller. May she burn in hell for lying us into a war that killed my son.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:09:25pm

re: #148 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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they’re saying the parts out loud now.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:12:51pm

re: #217 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

In 2018 Hunter was already publicly in trouble with his later-convicted crimes.

Yes, there was a prior-flipped seat in CA which flipped back.

Trump did up Republican turnout this time, which helped locally.

This is why I was so disturbed election night. It appears that Trump had better coattails than Biden.

I don’t think so. The blue wave on 2018 gave us seats we had never thought we’d have. If we couldn’t keep every last one of them, it’s not really surprisong.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:14:16pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

We don’t even know how Florida works, and we pretend to have the answer for medieval Muslim drug empires.

Florida is a mediæval drug empire.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:14:17pm
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:15:25pm

Bottom Line—The Pimps keep on Pimping and they get away with it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:15:47pm
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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:16:50pm

Ugh. This is going to suck:

For now, restrictions set to take effect Friday are:

Indoor “non-essential” businesses such as retail stores, offices and personal care services will be limited to 25% occupancy

Outdoor service at restaurants, wineries and breweries will be limited to 50% of the maximum outdoor capacity

Outdoor cardrooms, miniature golf sites, go-kart tracks and batting cages will be limited to 50% of maximum outdoor capacity

Customers at personal-care businesses must make advance appointments, and no services that require customers to remove their face masks can be offered

Restaurants, wineries, breweries and non-essential retail businesses must be closed between the hours of 10 p.m. and 6 a.m.

Outdoor gatherings must be limited to no more than 15 people from a maximum of three households. The county previously issued guidance limiting gatherings to three households, but there was no numerical limit on attendees.

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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:17:38pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:19:41pm

re: #191 KGxvi

I mean, the lack of a civil society and a constant state of war is what gave AQ the cover to operate there. So I don’t think it’s too far out of bounds to think it could have happened again

Afghanistan had something of a civil society when it still had a monarch, before the Soviet Union overthrew the government in 1979.

Some photographs:

pinterest.com

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:21:37pm

re: #233 gocart mozart

Sometimes, I wonder how different world history would be if Columbus met the Aztec instead of the Taino… or if Plymouth didn’t survive that first winter…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:22:08pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:23:37pm

re: #232 KGxvi

Ugh. This is going to suck:

Come here, where there are practically no restrictions and our hospitals are being overrun, whilst the governor’s spokesman spends his time attacking female medical workers on social media for calling out the emergency.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:23:49pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:25:19pm

re: #199 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

Japan was and is a unified society, with a more or less single culture and millennia of shared history. And they wanted to be part of the world community, such as it is. Iraq and Afghanistan were cobbled together from parts at hand by foreigners who knew little about them. What worked for Japan was never going to work for either of them.

I was an Anthro major in college. It freaked me out how little curiosity the Bushies had about Iraq. American arrogance from “the end of history” of Francis Fukuyama through the Bush years was astounding. “Of course everyone envies us and wants to be like us if only they weren’t under the yoke of authoritarian rulers.” As a major we were sold on the idea that anthropologists provide valuable insight that is sought after by government officials making difficult decisions (one of the touchstones was Ruth Benedict’s The Chrysanthemum and the Sword). That seems to have not happened in recent Republican administrations.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:26:28pm
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:28:11pm

Well, look who has COVID—It’s ol’ E W JACKASS HIMSELF!

COMMENTS
In March, far-right preacher and radio host E.W. Jackson declared to his parishioners that there was no way he could contract coronavirus, saying that when it comes to Christians, they have a choice as to whether or not they get infected.

“I don’t have the coronavirus,” he said. “I’m not gonna get the coronavirus. I’m not gonna give anybody the coronavirus. Cause I can’t get it, because I talked to God about it, and I’ve taken my vaccine — my vaccine is Psalm 91 — and I am free from that mess.”

Fast forward to this past weekend, Jackson apparently ‘chose’ to get it after all. During a Sunday church service, he announced that he had recently tested positive but has since recovered.

“I want to say that I’ve been out for the last several weeks, probably… because I was speaking somewhere else,” he said. “And last week, I was out because I was tested positive for COVID-19. So… but I’m back, I’m healthy, I’m sound, I’m whole, praise God. I’m feeling good.”

He also said that he infected his wife as well. Thankfully, she doing fine.

deadstate.org

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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:30:21pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And apparently, Brad spent much of his ill-gotten gains on real estate in Florida, some of which he’s now unloading. (Definitely doesn’t have the “trump aesthetic.”)

realtor.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:31:25pm

Nebraska Panhandle cases have quintupled since October 8. We are now at 5,028 total, and 2,332 active.

Deaths: 31 (+7). More are pending political vetting by the governor’s office.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:31:59pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:36:13pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:37:04pm

re: #239 Barefoot Grin

I was an Anthro major in college. It freaked me out how little curiosity the Bushies had about Iraq. American arrogance from “the end of history” of Francis Fukuyama through the Bush years was astounding. “Of course everyone envies us and wants to be like us if only they weren’t under the yoke of authoritarian rulers.” As a major we were sold on the idea that anthropologists provide valuable insight that is sought after by government officials making difficult decisions (one of the touchstones was Ruth Benedict’s The Chrysanthemum and the Sword). That seems to have not happened in recent Republican administrations.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:39:19pm

re: #235 KGxvi

Sometimes, I wonder how different world history would be if Columbus met the Aztec instead of the Taino… or if Plymouth didn’t survive that first winter…

Or if the Roanoke colony, the legendary heroes of white-supremacists, had survived.

A lot of what-ifs make for good fiction (something at which time-travel shows often fail, being stuck on Hitler or the US Civil War.)

What if the Spanish explorers who first went through what became the US decided to stay and make their colonies there?

Bottom line is that the European exploration era made dramatic changes to the global demography, the consequences of which have yet to fully work out.

Remember, as a species we are hundreds of thousands of years old. 500 odd years is just a blink of an eye.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:44:51pm

re: #247 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

A lot of what-ifs make for good fiction (something at which time-travel shows often fail, being stuck on Hitler or the US Civil War.)

Alas I can’t find the Daily Show clip that is just Rob Corddry trying to do a history segment and annoying Jon Stewart by constantly bouncing back and froth between references to Hitler or the Civil War, it’s hilarious….

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:45:56pm

re: #233 gocart mozart

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:47:33pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:48:38pm

re: #250 (((Archangel1)))

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“Stay tuned for Dolly’s newest #1 hit, ‘Folding at Home’.”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:50:14pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:51:37pm

re: #252 Dread Pirate Ron

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Jeez, if it wasn’t for the one victory, we’d be closing in on Season 1 Shanghai Dragons (0-40) territory.

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stpaulbear  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:51:53pm

re: #250 (((Archangel1)))

Steve Martin
@SteveMartinToGo
I imagine Dolly Parton sitting in a quiet room, manipulating RNA while writing a hit song.

She Blinded Me With Science (Extended Version)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:52:00pm

No. Just no.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:52:59pm

re: #246 The Ghost of a Flea

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Ha! that’s beautiful!

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:55:08pm

re: #247 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Or if the Roanoke colony, the legendary heroes of white-supremacists, had survived.

A lot of what-ifs make for good fiction (something at which time-travel shows often fail, being stuck on Hitler or the US Civil War.)

Orson Scott Card (yeah, I know, but this is a good one) had a novel called Pastwatch — in which time travelers came to Central America in about 1470 to release a bio-engineered virus that led to mild symptoms, easily recoverable, and left the indigenous of north, south and central America immune to the European diseases that killed so many in our timeline… also gave them them some warnings about “no, it’s not quetzlcoatl, those ships are full of bad guys you need to resist. Let me show you how to make steel and gunpowder…”

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:55:47pm

Emily get an Uber to take you home, you’re drunk.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:57:06pm

re: #257 sagehen

. Let me show you how to make steel and gunpowder…

By which they eventually all killed each other.

The arc of humanity is a violent one.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:57:45pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 4:58:17pm

re: #240 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

The four-member [Michigan] state canvassing board is comprised of two Democrats and two Republicans. And one of the Republican members, Norm Shinkle, is married to someone who filed an affidavit supporting the Trump campaign’s lawsuit that is trying to block the certification of the vote.

Shinkle’s wife, Mary Shinkle, accused election officials in Wayne County of preventing her from observing the ballot count and of being “extremely rude and aggressive” toward Republican poll challengers. The case is still pending in federal court, but a state judge overseeing a similar lawsuit from the Trump campaign said other people’s claims of massive fraud in Wayne County were “not credible.”

cnn.com

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:00:00pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:01:05pm

re: #262 Dread Pirate Ron

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Why is this McConnell’s priority? That had better be rhetorical. We all know that dominating the courts with unqualified partisan appointees is the only way the GOP can stay in power after they disintegrate.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:04:20pm

re: #258 The Pie Overlord!

Emily get an Uber to take you home, you’re drunk.

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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:04:26pm

re: #263 thedopefishlives

Why is this McConnell’s priority? That had better be rhetorical. We all know that dominating the courts with unqualified partisan appointees is the only way the GOP can stay in power after they disintegrate.

It’s not like the GOP has any reason to think it will disintegrate. They just corruptly seek power because they are Republicans.

Corruptly seeking power is a tropism in Republicans, like the tendency of plant leaves to grow toward light.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:11:13pm

re: #263 thedopefishlives

Why is this McConnell’s priority? That had better be rhetorical. We all know that dominating the courts with unqualified partisan appointees is the only way the GOP can stay in power after they disintegrate.

The priority is to ensure that every effort they are making to sabotage the Biden admin will be defended by the courts even if they should lose the Senate majority.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:14:47pm

re: #260 The Pie Overlord!

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The Browns are on line 1, say they want to hold a parade in the WH’s honor for having a shittier season than they could ever hope to achieve.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:15:03pm

This guy is one of those you have to worry about taking over Trump’s fan base. Plus, he’s a real billionaire. The idea that the GOP will lose its Trump fan base is unlikely.

Gov. Ricketts joins two new social media platforms: Parler and Snapchat (Omaha World-Herald)

Snapchat? Meh. Parler? Just showing our governor for the white nationalist and racist he is.

LINCOLN — Gov. Pete Ricketts has expanded his social media presence to add two new platforms — Snapchat and Parler, which is attracting conservatives as an alternative to Facebook.

In a press release issued Wednesday, a governor’s spokesman said the move will help Ricketts “keep more Nebraskans engaged and informed on the work of state government.”

Snapchat is a social messaging app popular with young people that allows users to share photographs and videos.

Parler, meanwhile, is billed as a “free speech” social messaging service that doesn’t filter posts, unlike Facebook and Twitter, which will flag posts deemed as misinformation. The app is popular with supporters of President Donald Trump, conservatives and right-wing commentators.

On Tuesday, the CEO of Parler disputed criticism that the platform could spread extreme opinions and misinformation.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:17:42pm

re: #268 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Nice of the Omaha World-Herald to put this at the very bottom:

On Snapchat, Ricketts can be found at @NEGovOffice. On Parler, the governor can be found @GovRicketts.

A Parler post by Ricketts indicated he joined the social networking service in July.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:17:43pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:19:20pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:20:35pm

re: #270 Dread Pirate Ron

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As always, the question is not “Why is he filing these lawsuits?,” but rather “Who is paying for all this litigation?” Because I have doubts that he’s paying for it all out of his own pocket.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:23:00pm

re: #270 Dread Pirate Ron

LOL

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:25:11pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

As always, the question is not “Why is he filing these lawsuits?,” but rather “Who is paying for all this litigation?” Because I have doubts that he’s paying for it all out of his own pocket.

Vexatious litigation to injure and silence journalism is definitely a strategy at this point, such that the question of who pays is really important.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:28:08pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:28:55pm

If Stanford wants to distance themselves they should end the Hoover Institution. Nothing intelligent has ever come out of there.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:29:15pm

re: #274 The Ghost of a Flea

Vexatious litigation to injure and silence journalism is definitely a strategy at this point, such that the question of who pays is really important.

Libertarians. People like the Mercers, Kochs, Thiel, and burn-it-all-down types like Bannon.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:30:46pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:32:40pm

re: #276 Dread Pirate Ron

For many years now the Hoover Institute has been a cesspool of atavism.

Stanford is less for having the organization associated with it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:32:54pm

So Rudy’s tactic at this point is to so foul up the court proceedings that Repub legislatures in WI and PA refuse to certify their state’s results and instead appoint their own slate of electors in order to either save Trump’s ass or (failing that) throw the whole thing to the House.

Because the drama in MI that played out on the national stage last night was all the incentive those folks needed to commit mass seppuku.//////

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:37:19pm

They’re going to release Wonder Woman 1984 in theaters and HBO Max on Christmas day.

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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:37:23pm

re: #280 Targetpractice

So Rudy’s tactic at this point is to so foul up the court proceedings that Repub legislatures in WI and PA refuse to certify their state’s results and instead appoint their own slate of electors in order to either save Trump’s ass or (failing that) throw the whole thing to the House.

Because the drama in MI that played out on the national stage last night was all the incentive those folks needed to commit mass seppuku.//////

In other words, Rudy’s ‘great plan’ is to get state-level GOP state legislators to run a very real risk of being disemboweled in the streets for the greater glory of Trump.

Yeah, right.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:38:51pm
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nines09  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:39:14pm

Meanwhile in Lewisburg Pennsylvania home of Bucknell University, Evangelical Hospital Checks in.
Not even winter yet.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:42:04pm
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Jack Burton  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:46:39pm

re: #285 jaunte

Again it’s the many names of David Ryder.

“Get me that Blast Hardcheese guy for Secretary of Space Force. I heard he killed a bunch of space pirates.”

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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:47:58pm
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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:48:44pm

re: #287 plansbandc

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No one ever uses it anymore.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:49:33pm

“Scott O’Grady, who has been nominated by President Trump to become the next assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs, was led to viewing distance of two placid herbivores, which he then shot and killed with a high powered rifle, during a 2014 trip in Zimbabwe. O’Grady was never in danger.”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:50:59pm
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jamesfirecat  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:55:32pm

re: #286 Jack Burton

Again it’s the many names of David Ryder.

“Get me that Blast Hardcheese guy for Secretary of Space Force. I heard he killed a bunch of space pirates.”

Reb Brown. He has been in a collection of impressively horrible films.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 5:57:07pm

Today’s Covid numbers. I’m beginning to think Nebraska is trying to hide their numbers. They retcon the numbers the next day into yesterday’s report.

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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:01:07pm
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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:03:32pm

re: #293 gocart mozart

It’s perpetually amazing how transparent, but effective, Marco’s holy grift is.

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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:08:45pm
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DesertDenizen  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:09:33pm

re: #285 jaunte

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As amazing as when he ate bugs after being shot down over Yugoslavia?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:10:52pm

re: #296 DesertDenizen

As amazing as when he ate bugs after being shot down over Yugoslavia?

It IS the same guy! Wait a minute, I thought Trump liked pilots who don’t get shot down?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:11:40pm

re: #296 DesertDenizen

As amazing as when he ate bugs after being shot down over Yugoslavia?

Trump does like pilots who are rescued by the PJs.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:12:31pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:14:30pm

re: #193 Hecuba’s daughter

I don’t know if it would have ever been possible to get Iraq to work — but the team sent it to rebuild Iraq after the 2003 war consisted of a bunch of ignoramuses and ideologues who knew nothing about the country or its history. On the same order of sending Trump in to handle the situation in Iraq and expecting a blossoming democracy.

In “Imperial Life in the Emerald City”, the definitive work on this failure :

in this walled-off compound of swimming pools and luxurious amenities, Paul Bremer and his Coalition Provisional Authority set out to fashion a new, democratic Iraq. Staffed by idealistic aides chosen primarily for their views on issues such as abortion and capital punishment, the CPA spent the crucial first year of occupation pursuing goals that had little to do with the immediate needs of a postwar nation: flat taxes instead of electricity and deregulated health care instead of emergency medical supplies.

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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:15:22pm

re: #299 Dread Pirate Ron

The Quest for the Missing Trump votes should be immortalized as a modern day search for the Fountain of Youth.

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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:16:44pm

re: #300 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s depressing to realize that any occupation government sent in by Trump would be exponentially worse than the Iraq clown show under W Bush.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:20:02pm

re: #258 The Pie Overlord!

Emily get an Uber to take you home, you’re drunk.

“THIS IS NOT AN EXERCISE.”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:21:46pm
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:22:16pm

just found out a friend has stage 2 breast cancer, she’s a single parent…

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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:24:40pm

re: #305 🌹UOJB!

{{{Joe Bacon and friend}}}

Let me know if there’s anything we can do.

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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:25:49pm

re: #290 Dread Pirate Ron

McSally (twice appointed to Senate seats in AZ): “I didn’t come here in the traditional or easy way … I gave it my all and I left it all on the field.”

Here’s a rare case when I hope a Republican is just lying like they always do. Because if this is the truth, that’s just nasty.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:28:21pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:32:59pm

re: #308 jaunte

An average Republican is willing to see the world burn to get emotional support for his irrational resentments.

That is the core proposition for 99+% of Republican voters.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:42:10pm
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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:45:28pm

Republicans are willing to kill you because it gratifies them to do so.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:46:50pm
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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:47:42pm

re: #311 jaunte

They, like their orange master, enjoy watching people die.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:49:23pm

re: #239 Barefoot Grin

I was an Anthro major in college. It freaked me out how little curiosity the Bushies had about Iraq. American arrogance from “the end of history” of Francis Fukuyama through the Bush years was astounding. “Of course everyone envies us and wants to be like us if only they weren’t under the yoke of authoritarian rulers.” As a major we were sold on the idea that anthropologists provide valuable insight that is sought after by government officials making difficult decisions (one of the touchstones was Ruth Benedict’s The Chrysanthemum and the Sword). That seems to have not happened in recent Republican administrations.

Curiosity was replaced by smug self-assurance in the GOP.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:50:16pm

re: #311 jaunte

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Republicans are willing to kill you because it gratifies them to do so.

Two things that are utterly depressing:

1. Thousands more Americans will become sick and/or die due to a pack of sore losers who are so determined to create the absolute worst scenario for the incoming administration possible in order to blame their fuck-ups on the new guys.

2. The reality that millions of our fellow Americans will believe that such fuckery is Biden’s fault or that he bears some blame for not being nicer to Trump.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:53:59pm

Discovering U.S. Attorney General now a puppet of an international crime syndicate surprises DEA.

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EPR-radar  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:56:32pm

re: #316 jaunte

This one stinks to high heaven. I’m going with Trump and/or Barr were personally bribed by the guy they are dropping the charges for.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:57:15pm

re: #317 EPR-radar

Drug money goes all the way to the top.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2020 • 6:57:16pm

re: #247 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Or if the Roanoke colony, the legendary heroes of white-supremacists, had survived.

A lot of what-ifs make for good fiction (something at which time-travel shows often fail, being stuck on Hitler or the US Civil War.)

What if the Spanish explorers who first went through what became the US decided to stay and make their colonies there?

Bottom line is that the European exploration era made dramatic changes to the global demography, the consequences of which have yet to fully work out.

Remember, as a species we are hundreds of thousands of years old. 500 odd years is just a blink of an eye.

There’s a card/board game in my collection called “Chrononauts”.

Description on Board Game Geek:

In Chrononauts, each player becomes a time traveler, with a unique identity and a secret mission. During the game, players travel backwards and forwards through history, doing all those things people have always dreamed of using a time machine to do: Visiting the great moments of the past, peeking into the future, collecting up impossible artifacts and priceless works of art (at the moment just before history records their destruction), coming to grips with the paradoxes of time travel, and of course, changing pivotal events and altering the course of history itself. How would the timeline be different if Lincoln and JFK had not been assassinated? And is that the version of reality that you came from originally…the one you must return to in order to win? It’s all packed into a fast and easy Fluxx-style card game that will take you to the beginning of time and back again.

US Civil war is 1 (2?) pivot points on the timeline. World War 2 is 3-4.

One of my favorite backgrounds is the Radioactive Cockroach from 2600 whose timeline requires World War 3 to occur. In the game you compete by having pivot points having alternate outcomes and “patching” points to change their outcomes.

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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:00:19pm
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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:03:09pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:03:10pm

Another case of voter fraud has been uncovered!

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:03:13pm

re: #288 Belafon

No one ever uses it anymore.

That we know of.

It may be that people getting too close disappear into the empty fullness.

Hey! I just got an idea for an SCP! Thanks.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:05:41pm

re: #289 jaunte

If he did the way the locals used to, with bow and spear, then I’d be impressed.

Trophy hunting is one of the worst forms of bullying.

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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:06:03pm

Has anyone been able to contact GeneJockey? Concerned.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:09:09pm
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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:18:33pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:20:30pm

re: #327 jaunte

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Based on what Ghouliani is saying, they’ve given up on changing enough votes to flip any states and are gambling the remainder of their dwindling luck on Repubs in multiple state legislatures to declare that the voters are “fraudulent” and selecting their own slate of electors instead. Because a dictator installed via constitutional crisis is totally “legit.”

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austin_blue  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:20:32pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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Saw-whet owl.

Cute little buggers.

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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:22:02pm

re: #329 austin_blue

Saw-whet owl.

Cute little buggers.

They are darling. We used to have one in a cottonwood south of our house. Quite a friend!

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:24:42pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:25:07pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:28:46pm

re: #310 Dread Pirate Ron

Reality is that China needs Australia a whole lot more than Australia needs China.

Posturing like the Chinese are doing is par for the course when one is in a weaker position.

Indeed, we can draw parallels here between China and Ghouliani.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:29:47pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:29:55pm

However, the China-Australia thing does demonstrate how Trump has weakened American prominence on the world stage.

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:32:21pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

Based on what Ghouliani is saying, they’ve given up on changing enough votes to flip any states and are gambling the remainder of their dwindling luck on Repubs in multiple state legislatures to declare that the voters are “fraudulent” and selecting their own slate of electors instead. Because a dictator installed via constitutional crisis is totally “legit.”

PBS is running a multi-part documentary series Rise of the Nazis. Just thought I’d mention it, no special reason…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:32:59pm

re: #292 Dread Pirate Ron

Today’s Covid numbers. I’m beginning to think Nebraska is trying to hide their numbers. They retcon the numbers the next day into yesterday’s report.

Pretty much. That’s why we keep seeing “revised” numbers from previous days, and why all death certificates alleging death due to Covid-19 have to go through political vetting in the Governor’s office first (meaning the deaths also lag the reporting, which calls into question whether deaths are being hidden or not).

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:34:46pm

re: #334 jaunte

In WWII, there were 291,557 Americans killed in combat.

so why did I think there was 450,000?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:35:23pm

re: #292 Dread Pirate Ron

Currently, the number of deaths reported by Nebraska are 826, not 816.

experience.arcgis.com

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:37:02pm

re: #325 retired cynic

Has anyone been able to contact GeneJockey? Concerned.

He was around here a day or so ago.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:37:25pm

re: #338 sagehen

The 250k is probably a conservative number, and is at least a month behind the real number.

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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:38:37pm

re: #340 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

good; i just missed him then…

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:40:07pm

re: #341 jaunte

The 250k is probably a conservative number, and is at least a month behind the real number.

I meant WWII, the tweet says less than 300,000

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:42:57pm

re: #343 sagehen

U.S Military deaths were 416,800; I don’t know how they counted combat deaths.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:44:17pm

re: #341 jaunte

The 250k is probably a conservative number, and is at least a month behind the real number.

The actual number was already estimated from national death statistics to be 300k, and that was only through the end of July, IIRC.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:44:30pm

Wikipedia says WW2 combat deaths were 291,557.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:46:49pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:47:55pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

We’re back to worrying about things which won’t happen.

Based on what Ghouliani is saying, they’ve given up on changing enough votes to flip any states and are gambling the remainder of their dwindling luck on Repubs in multiple state legislatures to declare that the voters are “fraudulent” and selecting their own slate of electors instead. Because a dictator installed via constitutional crisis is totally “legit.”

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Provisions in 3 U.S.C. §15 include a procedure for making and acting on objections to the counting of one or more of the electoral votes from a state or the District of Columbia. When the certificate or equivalent paper from each state (or the District of Columbia) is read, “the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any.” Any such objection must be presented in writing and must be signed by at least one Senator and one Representative. The objection “shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof…. ” During the joint session of January 6, 2001, the presiding officer intervened on several occasions to halt attempts to make speeches under the guise of offering an objection.

Also:

The joint session does not act on any objections that are made. Instead, the joint session is suspended while each house meets separately to debate the objection and vote whether, based on the objection, to count the vote or votes in question. Both houses must vote separately to agree to the objection. Otherwise, the objection fails and the vote or votes are counted. (3 U.S.C. §15, provides that “the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes…. “). These procedures have been invoked twice since enactment of the 1887 law. The first was an instance of what has been called the “faithless elector” problem. In 1969, a Representative (James O’Hara of Michigan) and a Senator (Edmund S. Muskie of Maine) objected in writing to counting the vote of an elector from North Carolina who had been expected to cast his vote for Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew, but who instead cast his vote for George Wallace and Curtis LeMay. Both chambers met and voted separately to reject the objection, so when the joint session resumed, the challenged electoral vote was counted as cast. In that instance, the elector whose vote was challenged was from a state that did not by law “bind” its electors to vote only for the candidates to whom they were pledged. The instance of a “faithless” elector from a state that does, in fact, bind the elector by law to vote for the candidate to whom listed or pledged has not yet been expressly addressed by Congress or the courts.

On the italics, that was addressed by the Supreme Court on the faithless electors from the 2016 election, holding those laws to be constitutional.

The challenge would go both ways: Democrats objecting to the bullshyte electors and Republicans objecting to the real ones. Assuming both objections fail (GOP in the House, Dems in the Senate), all electors for that state are set aside and the number required to win is reduced. Additionally, representatives from that state may not be seated in the new Congress. Any state which does this is voting to have no representation.

Counting Electoral Votes: An Overview of Procedures at the Joint Session, Including Objections by Members of Congress (Congressional Research Service, PDF)

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:55:11pm

At last!

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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:57:09pm

re: #349 jaunte

Well thank God, because men desperately need another day.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:57:48pm

re: #350 plansbandc

I can’t wait to tell Ben Shapiro.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:58:24pm

re: #349 jaunte

re: #350 plansbandc

Maybe we can reinterpret this to be what it explicitly states: International-Men day?

Are you an International man?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:58:45pm

re: #352 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Maybe we can reinterpret this to be what it explicitly states: International-Men day?

Are you an International man?

Nope, sorry, I grew up on John Deere.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 7:59:37pm

re: #352 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I have been places!

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:02:37pm
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Belafon  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:07:33pm

re: #349 jaunte

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At last!

Way to ruin my birthday, men.

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William Lewis  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:09:07pm

re: #338 sagehen

so why did I think there was 450,000?

It depends on how you count. US total deaths - military combat, non-combat and civilians comes to 419,000.

The UK total was 450,000

en.wikipedia.org

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:09:47pm

Coyotes going crazy outside.

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Egregious Philbin  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:11:06pm

re: #358 jaunte

On Saturday, I was riding my bike in a popular and well populated park in Scottsdale, and this dog came walking right past me, about 2 feet away, but it was a young coyote. I turned around to watch the look on everyone’s face as they came to the same realization…

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:18:13pm

re: #359 Egregious Philbin

A couple of years ago I was clearing brush down close to the creek and our dog was sniffing about nearby. She suddenly appeared down the trail racing as fast as she could go, followed by two brown dogs; and my thoughts ran “so nice she’s found some neighbor dogs to play with wait those aren’t dogs…”
They saw me and turned tail; Lucy ran all the way home to my wife, the safer place to be.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:18:52pm

re: #358 jaunte

Coyotes going crazy outside.

When I was driving to the supermarket yesterday afternoon, two coyotes crossed Lake Cook Road a couple hundred feet in front of me. Depending on traffic, that could be a very dangerous activity, though the roads are not as busy in this year of the plague.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:20:48pm

re: #361 Hecuba’s daughter

I’ve seen them in Memorial Park, which is virtually in the center of Houston. They travel down the bayous and railroad rights-of-way.

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austin_blue  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:25:17pm

re: #362 jaunte

I’ve seen them in Memorial Park, which is virtually in the center of Houston. They travel down the bayous and railroad rights-of-way.

Same in Austin. (well, urban creeks, not bayous)

I’ve only seen one near my house, but a simple truism is that there is no such thing as *one* coyote.

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mmmirele  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:28:58pm

re: #359 Egregious Philbin

On Saturday, I was riding my bike in a popular and well populated park in Scottsdale, and this dog came walking right past me, about 2 feet away, but it was a young coyote. I turned around to watch the look on everyone’s face as they came to the same realization…

My brother was doing his early morning (now before sunrise) walk to 64th St. south of Brown Road here in Mesa, and he spotted two coyotes in the yard of a neighbor who lets everything go to seed. (No HOA and the place is a riot of wildflowers in the spring.) He stood very still until a bicyclist came by and he pointed out the coyotes. The bicyclist flipped out, one of the coyotes took off and the other one hid until my brother moved on, then loped away on its business.

We talked about it and we think more coyote sightings in areas that are a fair piece from really open land are an indication that the critters are stressed due to a virtually nonexistent monsoon season. Thus, they are moving into neighborhoods, looking for food and water.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:31:27pm

re: #363 austin_blue

A hot topic in my old neighborhood in Houston (in which a lot of houses had open back yards bordering a bayou) was how to keep the coyotes out. I don’t think they remembered the Jeff Goldblum speeches from Jurassic Park.

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stpaulbear  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:31:33pm

re: #349 jaunte

AP Planner
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Tomorrow: International Men’s Day (19 Nov)

Well that leaves me out. I’m domestic.

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austin_blue  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:36:54pm

re: #365 jaunte

A hot topic in my old neighborhood in Houston (in which a lot of houses had open back yards bordering a bayou) was how to keep the coyotes out. I don’t think they remembered the Jeff Goldblum speeches from Jurassic Park.

If one is seen in the ‘hood, SOS e-mails go out on the neighborhood One-List.

“SOS” stands for “shoot on sight”. We’ve lost too many kittehs and little dogs.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:37:20pm

Goshen County puts in place health order requiring masks (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

Goshen County [seat Torrington] is in the circulation area of the Scottsbluff paper, so this is local news.

Goshen County joined 12 counties in Wyoming with health orders requiring residents to wear masks Tuesday.

Heather Saul, with the Goshen County Public Health Department, said that the request for the order had been submitted by Goshen County Health Director Dr. Marion Smith to Dr. Alexia Harrist, state health officer and state epidemiologist, for approval.

The order was approved Tuesday, along with similar orders in eight other counties including Natrona County, where Casper, Wyoming, is located. Laramie County, covering Cheyenne, Wyoming, and Albany County, covering Laramie, joined Teton County already had mask orders in place and two other requests from Washakie and Converse counties are pending approval.

Wyoming is ranked fourth in most cases per capita. Nebraska is sixth, where our governor is still resisting any sort of order.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:40:36pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:43:21pm
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jaunte  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:44:50pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:46:34pm

Nebraska Child Welfare Workers Walloped by COVID as Political Appointees Fail (Goes to Seeing Red Nebraska)

A Seeing Red Nebraska reader has informed us that today begins the third week that the entire Lincoln office of child welfare workers serving the southeast part of the state has been shut down. This reader reports that 20% of the 100 workers have tested positive for covid. (The Department declined to comment further but said most employees are working from home.)

It’s no surprise covid has spread rapidly there, as Governor Pete Ricketts exempted state offices from the Lincoln mask mandate.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:52:09pm

re: #368 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Gov. Mark Gordon [R-Wyo.] has said that he is considering a statewide face mask requirement, after health officials from 21 counties, including Goshen County, recently submitted a letter calling on the state to enact such a requirement. He said last week he would allow current less-restrictive public health orders to remain in place, but planned to consult with business leaders and state officials on proceeding with more restrictive orders.

On Nov. 13, Gordon, who had to quarantine earlier this month due to COVID-19 exposure, said people were being “knuckleheads” about the virus.

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Egregious Philbin  Nov 18, 2020 • 8:56:08pm

re: #364 mmmirele

I had one in my front yard a few years back. I hear them at sunset. I live near Papago Park by the National Guard, they are all over the place.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2020 • 9:02:38pm

re: #374 Egregious Philbin

I had one in my front yard a few years back. I hear them at sunset. I live near Papago Park by the National Guard, they are all over the place.

I live in a suburban development about a half mile from forest preserves. Only once did I see a coyote walking down a nearby street; they do seem to hang out in the forest but are forced to cross streets since the “forested” areas have major roads crossing through at least every mile.


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