Acoustic Mastery: Mike Dawes, “The Old Room”

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Mike Dawes performs his fingerstyle guitar original ‘The Old Room’ from his new live album ‘Shows & Distancing: Live in the USA’ - Out now. Bundles available at a reduced price via the link above.

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09. The Old Room - Live in Florida

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This year has been devastating to so many people around the world. Everybody has been affected by this pandemic, wherever you live and whatever you do. For the live music fans, we miss that energy, that connection. Shows and Distancing, my third album and first live album, has arrived at a time where I hope at least some sense of relief and nostalgia can be provided to you.

Recorded throughout last year on the road in the USA, this record takes you through support sets with Justin Hayward (Moody Blues), headline shows, a live duet from Los Angeles and even excerpts from my first ever headline concert from over the pond. New York, Florida and California, three of my favourite places. I hope to return soon!

I’m incredibly proud of this record and the quality of the audio captured. Josh Clark’s mixes are SUPERB. I’ll be releasing live videos every week for the foreseeable future so don’t forget to hit ‘SUBSCRIBE’ to be notified x

Video captured by David Minasian & Trinity Houston
Edited by Mike Dawes
Colouring by Josh Partridge

Audio captured by Steve Chant & Alberto Parodi
Mixed and mastered by Get Real Audio

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326 comments
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BigPapa  Nov 22, 2020 • 10:16:17pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2020 • 10:30:09pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 22, 2020 • 10:30:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 22, 2020 • 10:31:24pm

re: #3 Dread Pirate Ron

Hypocrisy is a feature of conservatism, not a bug.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2020 • 10:40:35pm

Your blunt title of the year:

Lock the motherfucker up

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2020 • 10:43:35pm
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 22, 2020 • 10:44:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 22, 2020 • 10:45:51pm

Law banning abortion method takes effect in Nebraska without legal challenge (Omaha World-Herald)

LINCOLN — A new law banning one type of second-trimester abortion took effect in Nebraska last week, but one major abortion provider said it will not change what he does.

Dr. LeRoy Carhart, medical director of the Clinics for Abortion and Reproductive Excellence in Bellevue and Bethesda, Maryland, said he does not use the procedure prohibited under Legislative Bill 814.

“It’s going to make no difference in what we offer to the populace,” he said. “We will be able to provide the same quality and level of services we have for many years.”

The new law, introduced by State Sen. Suzanne Geist [R] of Lincoln, prohibits an abortion method called dilation and evacuation. The procedure involves dilating a woman’s cervix and removing the fetus in pieces. Abortion opponents call the procedure dismemberment abortion.

Atheist members of the Unicameral Megan Hunt and Ernie Chambers tried to get the bill quashed on the grounds Sen. Geist was trying to legislate her religion, which resulted in cries of persecution from virtually every church of every denomination in this state, regardless of whether they care about abortion or not.

Republican members threatened Sen. Hunt on the floor of the Unicameral; the session had to be adjourned.

When Sen. Chambers’s term ended and he retired from the Unicameral, state senators and church ministers rushed to microphones to call him a baby murderer and claimed he deserved no recognition for his long service.

Nationally, it is by far the most common method used for second-trimester abortions. Estimates show that it accounts for about 95% of such abortions.

In Nebraska, it is used much less frequently. Statistics collected by the Department of Health and Human Services show that dilation and evacuation was used in 32 of the 2,078 total abortions performed in 2018, the latest year for which data is available. The method accounted for about 20% of the 178 abortions performed at 13 weeks or later.

(more)

An attack on rights anywhere is an attack on rights everywhere. The very few abortion providers in this state do not have the funds or legal clout to challenge these laws. That’s why this particular law passed by ten states and struck down ten times by the courts, was passed here.

The same happened when the state removed Title X funding from Planned Parenthood in 2018; no one was willing to help from outside the state challenge that law either.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2020 • 10:45:52pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2020 • 10:49:21pm

This probably has something to do with Sidney Powell being excised from the “Elite Strike Force.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 22, 2020 • 10:50:39pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

This probably has something to do with Sidney Powell being excised from the “Elite Strike Force.”

Trump retweets Qanon content. He has Qanon supporters at his biological warfare rallies. I don’t see how that would disqualify her.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2020 • 10:56:29pm

re: #11 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

There’s his tacit approval, sure. But he’s not a full-on Qcumber, and having an attorney who is on his legal team doesn’t look good in the courts. Rudy and Jenna Ellis knows this.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 22, 2020 • 11:00:45pm

Meanwhile, what happens when you are a governor who insists schools must be kept open with in-person learning, businesses must stay open, and refuse to order even the minimal thing you could do (masks) because you claim “it will breed resistance?”

Schools tap college kids, administrators to fill in for sick, quarantining teachers (OWH)

Gov. Ricketts’s desire to destroy “government schools” proceeds apace.

A substitute shortage that had frustrated Nebraska schools prior to the pandemic is now so acute that schools are in an all-hands-on-deck status, assigning administrators to cover classrooms and wooing college students to sub over their winter break.

Students who are studying to be teachers are being recruited to work after Thanksgiving during the extended winter breaks that college officials created last summer.

Teachers are burning plan time to cover for colleagues. Students whose teachers are absent are being temporarily placed into other teachers’ classrooms.

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Conveniently for the governor, college students do not have teaching credentials, which he also wishes to dispense with.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 22, 2020 • 11:23:00pm
CHEYENNE - As of 9 a.m. Sunday, Nov. 22, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases seen since the disease was first diagnosed in the state in mid-March stood at 24,309, an increase of 742 cases over Saturday’s 23,567.

(more at the Cheyenne Wyoming Tribune-Eagle)

Active COVID-19 cases back up in Laramie County, statewide

The number of active coronavirus cases in Wyoming on Sunday was 11,186, an increase of 482 over Saturday’s 10,704.

The number of active cases in Laramie County [seat and state capital Cheyenne] was 1,588, an increase of 60 from Saturday’s total.

The most cases reported were in Natrona County [seat Casper], population a bit less than 80,000, with 115 new cases.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 22, 2020 • 11:40:16pm

We still have no Covid-19 cases in my town, though the entire Panhandle is listed as “severe risk of transmission” for every other town.

I’m beginning to think there’s something about our water, maybe the natural uranium and elemental arsenic, which provides resistance to the virus. /s

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2020 • 11:50:21pm

re: #13 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Meanwhile, what happens when you are a governor who insists schools must be kept open with in-person learning, businesses must stay open, and refuse to order even the minimal thing you could do (masks) because you claim “it will breed resistance?”

Schools tap college kids, administrators to fill in for sick, quarantining teachers (OWH)

Gov. Ricketts’s desire to destroy “government schools” proceeds apace.

(more)

Conveniently for the governor, college students do not have teaching credentials, which he also wishes to dispense with.

The end goal of modern conservatism is to undo all the progress of the last 150 years, in order to revert America to a neofeudalist state like that of the Gilded Age.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 22, 2020 • 11:52:29pm

Bellevue, Nebraska police have released the information of the mass-shooting victims at a Sonic restaurant, in which two were wounded and two killed.

All four are employees of the Sonic.

This was not a disgruntled employee. He’d been arrested a few days prior for using someone else’s cellphone Sonic app to charge over $50 worth of food. Sonic employees called the police at that time and he was charged with identity theft and theft of less than $500.

He is charged with two counts of first-degree murder and one count of first-degree arson (as he set a U-haul truck on fire in the parking lot, presumably to draw out employees so he could shoot at them).

Man held in Sonic Drive-In shooting had been accused of using someone else’s app to order food (OWH)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:12:27am

What fresh hell will Failgolf Twittler unleash on us tomorrow?

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William Lewis  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:12:44am

re: #17 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

weird and sad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:13:46am

re: #16 Targetpractice

Conveniently for the governor, college students do not have teaching credentials, which he also wishes to dispense with.

We could have re-opened school a lot more safely, if we had hired extra staff from the outset, both teaching assistants and cleaning staff, expanded facilities and put other measures in place, but that all costs money, and education is seen as a troublesome expense which is to be minimized.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:13:59am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:20:56am

re: #19 William Lewis

weird and sad.

The shooting in the Omaha suburb of Bellevue never was more than statewide news because it occurred the day after the mass-shooting in Wauwatosa, Wisc. Since that was so much more dramatic (eight victims though none were killed, a veritable army of police cars for good television, a nationwide manhunt for the escaped alleged shooter) the Omaha murders the next day never made it into the nationwide news.

We’re back to America’s favourite pastime, shooting each other.

15-year-old arrested in Wisconsin mall shooting that injured eight (NBC News)

The police in Wauwatosa say others have been arrested in connection with the shootings but did not say what they’re charged with.

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Jack Burton  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:23:09am

re: #2 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

When the PrisonPlanet asshole thinks your conspiracy theory is loonie…

well…

(That said I thought he was going along with portions of it when convenient.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:30:28am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:33:39am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Conveniently for the governor, college students do not have teaching credentials, which he also wishes to dispense with.

We could have re-opened school a lot more safely, if we had hired extra staff from the outset, both teaching assistants and cleaning staff, expanded facilities and put other measures in place, but that all costs money, and education is seen as a troublesome expense which is to be minimized.

Yeah, the overall objective of devaluing all labor that enhances the general good supercedes any specific short-term value to keeping the system running.

Most people being more desperate gets them more of the general power/control situation they want, and makes the specific abuses of power they enjoy cheaper to obtain.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:36:34am

It would appear Sidney Powell is now deleting tweets.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:39:02am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Conveniently for the governor, college students do not have teaching credentials, which he also wishes to dispense with.

We could have re-opened school a lot more safely, if we had hired extra staff from the outset, both teaching assistants and cleaning staff, expanded facilities and put other measures in place, but that all costs money, and education is seen as a troublesome expense which is to be minimized.

My daughter is working on her Masters in teaching, she’s been teaching High School biology on Zoom for 3 months. Most schooling around here is online. In the mid-west teachers are falling back to online as teachers get sick.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:40:15am

You’ll sacrifice however many it takes to achieve this, governor.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:42:53am

re: #27 Dread Pirate Ron

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:43:37am

re: #23 Jack Burton

When the PrisonPlanet asshole thinks your conspiracy theory is loonie…

well…

(That said I thought he was going along with portions of it when convenient.)

The Prison Planet asshole thinks actual science is loonie. What he’s really saying is: this woman has become embarrassing to, and thus devalues, my brand, so she has to be disavowed.

We joke about Trump throwing people under the bus, but it’s a normal thing in reactionary circles and all people that deal in pure rhetoric. Since all of them living in whirling solipsistic fantasies where grift and sincerity co-mingle, you can’t disagree using substantive arguments or factss because you can’t acknowledge external sources of validity. You have to deny previous agreements, or invent some kind of betrayal or pivot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:50:20am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

…fuck Ted Cruise

Trump has made similar claims as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:52:51am

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I used to check in with newsmax to find out what the latest RW talking points were.

But now with the “demise” of Fox, it has become the keeper of the Party Line.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:56:14am

Wonkette:

Buffalo Anti-Lockdown Group Suggested Dressing Up As Slaves For Protest

The bandwidth of victimhood of conservatives in large groups cannot be calculated. Masks are not the Holocaust, masks are not slavery, masks aren’t taking your rights.

Get off the cross, we need the wood.

Starting at 9:30 this morning, an anti-lockdown group started protesting in front of the Buffalo home of Mark Poloncarz, the County Executive of Erie County, NY. Naturally, there were not a lot of masks or social distancing to be seen.

Demonstrators making their presence known in front of the home of @markpoloncarz in #Buffalo.

— WBEN NewsRadio 930AM (@WBEN NewsRadio 930AM)1606059464.0

Organizers of a protest against business closures due to #COVID are targeting ⁦@markpoloncarz⁩ Sunday morning. Th…

— WBEN NewsRadio 930AM (@WBEN NewsRadio 930AM)1606057592.0

This would be just your usual Covidiot nonsense were it not for the invitation to the protest. While thankfully it looks as though no one went along with it, the invitation to the protest told people to “feel free to dress up as slaves.”

In the “ideas for posters,” they suggested “pictures of elderly who have been locked in internment camps.” This suggestion hit Polocarz in a personal way, as his grandparents actually were held in German concentration camps.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:59:02am

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

A thing that needs to underlined is that elite institutions and rich people with entrenched, generation cultural and political power have class solidarity that extends beyond borders.

Wherever they are, regardless of the kind of ideology they claim to believe in, they tend to support one another in the task of maintaining that power over normal people. The nicest billionaire is still indignant at the idea that other billionaires maybe don’t need that money as badly as…people trying to change infrastructure to change the planet so less people are desperately poor (and under threat from climate change and war). But most of these institutions are pretty naked about “nope, we want all the money and power, ever” and act accordingly.

Whenever we talk about “Russia”…the Russian Federation is barely a nation, it’s a crime syndicate wearing a country like a shell…what we really mean is “the oligarchs and their flunkies who want both all the money and power enough to indulge their geopolitical whims.” Our reactionaries and autocrat wannabees don’t need to be corrupted or controlled in some kind of Cold-War-spy system because…they want the same fucking thing the Russian oligarchs already have. They want all the money, they want it as fast as possible and with no regard for harm to people and the commonwealth, they want to play at war and conquest to feel important, and they want sufficient power to impose morality on lesser people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 12:59:05am

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Wonkette:

Buffalo Anti-Lockdown Group Suggested Dressing Up As Slaves For Protest

There was a protester in Hannover, Germany comparing herself to anti-Nazi activist and martyr Sophie Scholl.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:01:24am

re: #34 The Ghost of a Flea

Our reactionaries and autocrat wannabees don’t need to be corrupted or controlled in some kind of Cold-War-spy system because…they want the same fucking thing the Russian oligarchs already have. They want all the money, they want it as fast as possible and with no regard for harm to people and the commonwealth, they want to play at war and conquest to feel important, and they want sufficient power to impose morality on lesser people.

Russian oligarchs have the Orthodox Church in their pocket to manage the latter. Ours would love to see much the same except under Fundamentalist Protestantism and ultra-conservative Roman Catholicism.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:02:57am

re: #34 The Ghost of a Flea

Yup. Disturbed’s cover of “Land of Confusion” is pretty on-point with that idea.

(4:48)

Disturbed - Land Of Confusion [Official Music Video]

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:08:31am
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unproven innocence  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:10:20am

re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a protester in Hannover, Germany comparing herself to anti-Nazi activist and martyr Sophie Scholl.

Watched this earlier this am:

Sophie Scholl: The Final Days (Full Film)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:24:33am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:28:01am

Humour, caution for adult language and imagery:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:46:01am

Morans, we’re surrounded by morans.

Yes asshat, we are working on that. Do you know what helps prevent that disease? Masks. Social distancing from the infected. Antibiotic treatment (since that actually works on that disease).

You know what you don’t care about? A bunch of brown people dying from tuberculosis. Deflector shields noted.

Fun fact, tuberculosis is killing people in the USA today. 542 in 2018, the most recent number, up from 2017.

There were roughly 10,000 cases reported in 2019 (the lowest on record in the USA), 25,000 in 1993, 84,503 cases in 1953.

Thirteen million people in the USA today are alive with latent tuberculosis, which can become active at any time.

This country spends a fuquetonne of time and money working to eradicate tuberculosis, you bellend.

Do you know what happens when someone is diagnosed with tuberculosis? That person is quarantined. Every person around them is tested, and they are quarantined. Contact tracing begins to see who else might have been exposed.

That procedure is what reduced tuberculosis deaths in the USA.

Another fun fact: Tuberculosis only became a mandatory reportable disease to the federal government in 1953. Along with smallpox, it was one of the great killers in the XX Century. It is precisely because of the same things used to eradicate smallpox and TB that we can eradicate Covid-19, if we didn’t have feral conservatives.

We need a law like Sweden, where you can be jailed for spreading a deadly disease.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:48:03am

re: #42 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Morans, we’re surrounded by morans.

We need a law like Sweden, where you can be jailed for spreading a deadly disease.

Another Sophie Scholl…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:51:34am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Another Sophie Scholl…

Well, said bellend is claiming to be Jesusis25230613. I presume Jesusis25230612 already died of either Covid-19 or tuberculosis.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:55:09am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Well, said bellend is claiming to be Jesusis25230613. I presume Jesusis25230612 already died of either Covid-19 or tuberculosis.

The previous 25230612 Jesuses were crucified for defying the Pharisees…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:56:49am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Another Sophie Scholl…

People like that four-follower Twitter account created in July of this year sorely tempt me to create a Twitter account to absolutely trash them with a rotating flaming steel cactus.

Propaganda should be opposed, or others can be taken in.

That account should be reported.

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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:57:20am

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yup. Disturbed’s cover of “Land of Confusion” is pretty on-point with that idea.

Yes, and interestingly, no. The video, which seems to track a lot of leftist thinking, is that wars are all about money, and that the UN and (I guess) G7 and other organizations are the tools of the transnational billionaires.

It’s this sort of reductionist economic thinking that is another type of horseshoe theory: both the billionaires and the left see everything in the world in terms of money. There is no ethnic or racial strife, or historical grievance, that cause wars, apparently, and the world’s governments are all united in one big cabal under the Great God Money.

Also, the mashing together of the Big Money transnational rich, who use countries and their banks and their citizenships as tools to be exploited and discarded, with international organizations which work through governments completely tied to their individual nations. They’re not the same thing, and when international organizations do get pressured by Big Money, it’s via specific national governments, not through the organization itself.

You only have to look at the Trump years, what kind of people back Trump, and how Trump treated international organizations, to understand how off base this all is. Anyway.

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2020 • 1:58:21am

re: #31 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump has made similar claims as well.

It was a popular talking point in the weeks leading up to the election, that Dem governors and Dem-majority legislatures would magically all announce immediately after the election that they were lifting the “lock downs” and that masks were no longer necessary because the pandemic was “over.” Thus “proving” that the whole thing had been an elaborate “hoax” to hurt Trump’s reelection bid.

The only “magic” thing is how quickly they all forgot that BS as soon as Trump lost.

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Alephnaught  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:05:40am

So, apparently, this is a Republican governor from Maryland.

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:08:03am

It was actually a talking point that wasn’t exclusive to just MAGAts. One of my coworkers who told me she wasn’t voting scoffed at the idea that the pandemic was anything more than an “election year crisis” that would disappear as soon as the election was over. Perhaps I should ask her today if she’s surprised that the pandemic hasn’t just gone away.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:09:21am

re: #47 ericblair

Yes, and interestingly, no. The video, which seems to track a lot of leftist thinking, is that wars are all about money, and that the UN and (I guess) G7 and other organizations are the tools of the transnational billionaires.

It’s this sort of reductionist economic thinking that is another type of horseshoe theory: both the billionaires and the left see everything in the world in terms of money. There is no ethnic or racial strife, or historical grievance, that cause wars, apparently, and the world’s governments are all united in one big cabal under the Great God Money.

Also, the mashing together of the Big Money transnational rich, who use countries and their banks and their citizenships as tools to be exploited and discarded, with international organizations which work through governments completely tied to their individual nations. They’re not the same thing, and when international organizations do get pressured by Big Money, it’s via specific national governments, not through the organization itself.

You only have to look at the Trump years, what kind of people back Trump, and how Trump treated international organizations, to understand how off base this all is. Anyway.

Sure there’s ethnic and racial strife. Those tend to be inflamed by people who have something to gain from said strife.

“Big money” is represented in that video as the rotund character in the top hat with a cigar, driving those governments to work on the behalf of “big money.”

The kinds of people backing Trump? The now-repentant Charles Koch, the Mercers, Sheldon Adelson, corporations which were the beneficiaries of the tax scam and their stockholders, banks, &c., “Big money.”

We could break the chain of transmission right now of Covid-19 if we just paid people to stay home for three weeks or so. You know who doesn’t want to do that? The “big money” which owns conservative politicians in this nation. People like Mitch McConnell who just lets a relief bill sit on his desk since May because it doesn’t service his masters to pass it.

At least as far as so-called First World nations are concerned, damn right they are concerned about money (and power) first. The United Kingdom is about to burn down their entire country over Brexit so the plebes can get blue passports and the extremely wealthy can get rich off the carcass of the kingdom as its economy goes up in flames.

In the Great Depression, you know who wasn’t standing in bread lines? People like JP Morgan and the Vanderbilts. They made money off people’s pain.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:12:57am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:17:44am

re: #50 Targetpractice

It was actually a talking point that wasn’t exclusive to just MAGAts. One of my coworkers who told me she wasn’t voting scoffed at the idea that the pandemic was anything more than an “election year crisis” that would disappear as soon as the election was over. Perhaps I should ask her today if she’s surprised that the pandemic hasn’t just gone away.

But they have moved onto “Why did Big Pharma hold back on the vaccines until after the election?”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:17:58am

HA, HA!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:18:52am

re: #54 Dread Pirate Ron

it’s all about ratings…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:21:21am

re: #52 Dread Pirate Ron

I teach online as a side hustle, and I talk to people from Turkey pretty much daily. And I hear the same thing, over and over - that their COVID-19 outbreak is far, far worse than what the Turkish government is admitting to.

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:23:27am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But they have moved onto “Why did Big Pharma hold back on the vaccines until after the election?”

You mean the same “Big Pharma” that they’re positive deliberately skewed the HCQ trials in order to scare people from taking Trump’s “miracle cure”?

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Alephnaught  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:23:34am

Another Republican politician:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:24:35am

re: #54 Dread Pirate Ron

HA, HA!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:25:04am

re: #56 Dr Lizardo

I teach online as a side hustle, and I talk to people from Turkey pretty much daily. And I hear the same thing, over and over - that their COVID-19 outbreak is far, far worse than what the Turkish government is admitting to.

something that authoritarians like to do, apparently

especially authoritarians in countries with underdeveloped health care systems

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:25:51am

re: #59 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

[Embedded content]

Even when discussing Biden and his transition, they still insist on discussing it through the lens of Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:26:17am

re: #56 Dr Lizardo

I teach online as a side hustle, and I talk to people from Turkey pretty much daily. And I hear the same thing, over and over - that their COVID-19 outbreak is far, far worse than what the Turkish government is admitting to.

Checking to see if there’s a Republican Party office in Ankara… .

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:26:39am

re: #61 Targetpractice

Even when discussing Biden and his transition, they still insist on discussing it through the lens of Trump.

Trump is supposed to be part of the transition. But the only story is his lack of co-operation.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:29:34am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

something that authoritarians like to do, apparently

especially authoritarians in countries with underdeveloped health care systems

The gist of what I hear from Turks I talk to is that the situation is hopelessly out of control and no sane person believes the government’s official numbers. I do wonder what the real situation is like in Russia - sadly, I rarely, if ever, get a chance to speak with Russians.

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:29:47am

re: #58 Alephnaught

Another Republican politician:

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Murkowski of Alaska put out a statement, too.

Give it a few days, we’re gonna have a lot of these.

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:32:14am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is supposed to be part of the transition. But the only story is his lack of co-operation.

Ayep. Even when discussing Biden and his potential cabinet appointees, the story is still about how he’s doing this “despite Trump’s refusal to concede/start the transition process.”

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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:33:02am

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Sure there’s ethnic and racial strife. Those tend to be inflamed by people who have something to gain from said strife.

“Big money” is represented in that video as the rotund character in the top hat with a cigar, driving those governments to work on the behalf of “big money.”

The kinds of people backing Trump? The now-repentant Charles Koch, the Mercers, Sheldon Adelson, corporations which were the beneficiaries of the tax scam and their stockholders, banks, &c., “Big money.”

Who are trying to break apart international organizations, or at least they consider their destruction an acceptable price to pay. This is because they require a fragmented and uncooperative world to be able to hide their money. Their largest threat is a coordinated international response to money laundering.

We could break the chain of transmission right now of Covid-19 if we just paid people to stay home for three weeks or so. You know who doesn’t want to do that? The “big money” which owns conservative politicians in this nation. People like Mitch McConnell who just lets a relief bill sit on his desk since May because it doesn’t service his masters to pass it.

There is big money in Asia, Australia, and Europe, too, and those regions have been far more proactive in shutting down major parts of the economy and instituting tight controls in order to control COVID. In my view, the Republicans’ reaction to COVID is ideological and tribal, not financial.

At least as far as so-called First World nations are concerned, damn right they are concerned about money (and power) first. The United Kingdom is about to burn down their entire country over Brexit so the plebes can get blue passports and the extremely wealthy can get rich off the carcass of the kingdom as its economy goes up in flames.

This is actually a fantastic example of how (some of the) extremely wealthy have been trying their best to destroy one of the largest international organizations, the EU, that is supposedly the tool of those same extremely wealthy. There is also a major split in the UK between the sort of transnational kleptocrats we’re talking about, versus actual British Big Business which has been fighting against a hard Brexit and been completely shut out of the Johnson government.

And money is not power; money is an instrument of power according to modern theory (the others are diplomacy, information, and military). They all influence each other, but they’re not the same.

In the Great Depression, you know who wasn’t standing in bread lines? People like JP Morgan and the Vanderbilts. They made money off people’s pain.

Yes they did. No argument there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:37:25am

RW propaganda has created some sort of monolithic “elite” consisting of ((Cosmopolitans)), bankers, Democratic politicians and other “internationalist” interests.

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:42:13am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

RW propaganda has created some sort of monolithic “elite” consisting of ((Cosmopolitans)), bankers, Democratic politicians and other “internationalist” interests.

What’s worrying is that, unlike past conspiracy theories that would pervade the wingnut ranks, this one doesn’t treat those who are not part of this “elite” but not supportive of wingnut goals as “misguided” or “uninformed.” They’re fully prepared to begin treating any who aren’t believing the party line as “the enemy.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:43:27am

re: #67 ericblair

There’s a lot of nuance to geopolitics and international economics, for which my education is simply not equipped.

For a lot of people, if someone sounds confident in what they present, they can present all manners of bullshyte which will be accepted as truth. Anyone can do that, liberal or conservative, though the right seems to have the monopoly on bullshit-producing media machinery.

And money is not power; money is an instrument of power according to modern theory (the others are diplomacy, information, and military). They all influence each other, but they’re not the same.

Money can buy power, diplomacy, or a military. Each of those elements are as you note, not the same.

It sure is easier to earn your second billion dollars than it is your first. Once you have that first though (either through inheritance or winning the lottery, the so-called Protestant work ethic isn’t going to do it), getting the attention of politicians suddenly becomes much easier.

I’ll bet Rep. Adrian Smith (R-NE3, “I don’t represent Democrats in our district”) would listen to me if I had a billion dollars and I wanted to get his attention, or fund an opponent.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:46:56am

re: #54 Dread Pirate Ron

HA, HA!

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that a halo around Joe? //

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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:49:27am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Money can buy power, diplomacy, or a military. Each of those elements are as you note, not the same.

For a lot of people, if someone sounds confident in what they present, they can present all matters of bullshyte which will be accepted as truth. Anyone can do that, liberal or conservative, though the right seems to have the monopoly on bullshit-producing media machinery.

It sure is easier to earn your second billion dollars than it is your first. Once you have that first though (either through inheritance or winning the lottery, the so-called Protestant work ethic isn’t going to do it), getting the attention of politicians suddenly becomes much easier.

There’s a Russian (I think?) joke regarding the difference between the US and Russian governments: in US first you get money and then you get power, and in Russia first you get power and then you get money.

And we sure as shit have to do something about the information instrument of power.

ETA: I think we basically agree that the transnational billionaires are perhaps the greatest threat to the world now, in terms of democracy, human rights, economic justice, and the environment, but disagree on what tools are available to fight them. What I want to see out of a Biden administration is total financial war on the keepers of trillions of dollars of hidden money in the world, which will need serious international participation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 2:57:07am

re: #72 ericblair

There’s a Russian (I think?) joke regarding the difference between the US and Russian governments: in US first you get money and then you get power, and in Russia first you get power and then you get money.

And we sure as shit have to do something about the information instrument of power.

If Russia had opened itself fully to the world markets in 1992, foreign investors would have simply come in and bought up all its key industries, as West Germany did when simply bought up the bulk of the East German economy.

They were not going to allow that to happen, so they created the Oligarch Class: people given a chance to obtain vast wealth at bargain basement prices in exchange for political co-operation.

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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:04:07am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If Russia had opened itself fully to the world markets in 1992, foreign investors would have simply bought up all its key industries, as West Germany did when simply bought up the bulk of the East German economy.

They were not going to allow that to happen, so they created the Oligarch Class: people given a chance to obtain vast wealth at bargain basement prices in exchange for political co-operation.

The Russian oligarch class originated mainly from the KGB. The KGB, as a necessity, understood Western banking and was able to manipulate it for their purposes during the Soviet days, and had enough power in the Soviet system to grab what they wanted. Most of the others were buddies of Yeltsin and later Putin (like Igor Sechin, CEO of Rosneft, who was a Portuguese translator of all things but worked for Putin in St Petersburg).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:05:06am

This is how you get to Terminators. /s

Air Force robot dogs patrol where airmen would rather not tread (Stars & Stripes)

Security forces at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida have begun using robot dogs for patrolling the installation, a first for the mechanized pooches.

“The 325th Security Forces Squadron is the first to implement semi-autonomous robot dogs in patrolling,” the Air Force said in a video on Friday.

“The computerized canines will be programmed to patrol areas that aren’t desirable for human beings and vehicles,” the Air Force said.

The Air Force did not specify how many robot dogs are patrolling the 29,000-acre base on the outskirts of Panama City on the Florida Panhandle.

(more on the robot dogs with no heads at the link)

Next they will learn how to chase robot rabbits.

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Ming5000  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:06:59am

re: #46 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

People like that four-follower Twitter account created in July of this year sorely tempt me to create a Twitter account to absolutely trash them with a rotating flaming steel cactus.

Propaganda should be opposed, or others can be taken in.

That account should be reported.

Tweets like that, with objectively false information, should be taken down. When I tried to report the tweet I do not find a category of “false of misleading” or, “misleading about CV-19”.
How do others report this type of tweet?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:11:00am

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

This is how you get to Terminators. /s

Air Force robot dogs patrol where airmen would rather not tread (Stars & Stripes)

(more on the robot dogs with no heads at the link)

Next they will learn how to chase robot rabbits.

Do they not use those at dog races? I remember a Bugs Bunny episode to that effect…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:12:51am

re: #76 Ming5000

Tweets like that, with objectively false information, should be taken down. When I tried to report the tweet I do not find a category of “false of misleading” or, “misleading about CV-19”.
How do others report this type of tweet?

help.twitter.com

Report it as “abusive or harmful.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:16:29am
According to the Blue Star Families 2018 Military Family Lifestyle Survey (opens a PDF), 7 percent of military family respondents indicated that someone in their household faced food insecurity in the past year, and 9 percent of military family respondents indicated that someone in their household had sought emergency food assistance. Meanwhile, Pentagon records show one-third of military children in Department of Defense-run U.S. schools qualified for free or reduced lunches in 2018-2019.

The surprising population left behind by SNAP? The military (Military Times)

This is not a new problem: a 2016 Government Accounting Office report said active-duty families spent more than $21 million in SNAP benefits at military bases. We know there are food pantries and distribution programs on or near every single military base nationwide, further underscoring the extent of the crisis.

For nearly a decade, we at MAZON: A Jewish Response to Hunger, have been working with policymakers and military service organizations to address this crisis, and for nearly a decade, it has gone unaddressed.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:18:30am

re: #76 Ming5000

WHO provides links to several major social media outlets on how to report Covid-19 misinformation to the platforms, with links to their help files (that’s how I got the Twitter help link and information):

who.int

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Nojay UK  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:25:09am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Do they not use those at dog races?

I recall seeing something about robot jockeys for camel racing in the Middle East… ah yes, here it is. Before the robot revolution they used poor children as jockeys, the smaller the better and a lot of them got hurt or even killed in falls.

Remote-Controlled Robot Camel Jockeys Replace Children In Desert Race

There was a lower-tech alternative for autonomously-guided unmanned smuggling in the Pakistan border area. Donkeys loaded with goods were set on the smuggling path with a cassette Walkman and headphones playing back commands to the effect of “Keep going” and “Move”. The idea was that the donkeys had covered the same route lots of times previously and with vocal encouragement they’d follow the tracks like always. Don’t know if it worked out though.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:29:33am

The Government of the United Kingdom has created an on-line game to help understand and build resistance to social media posts which can be harmful propaganda or spread misinformation, called “Go Viral.” It only takes a few minutes to play.

goviralgame.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:37:32am

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The Government of the United Kingdom has created an on-line game to help understand and build resistance to social media posts which can be harmful propaganda or spread misinformation, called “Go Viral.” It only takes a few minutes to play.

goviralgame.com

Art the very start of Covid I even posted on FB to remind people that Social Media sites are a bad source of information about Covid and that people should seek reliable sources.

Amazingly, I got pushback on that from several people who insist that social media are a good source of “alternate viewpoints” (these are now people with whom I no longer discuss Covid at all)

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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:44:59am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:50:15am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Art the very start of Covid I even posted on FB to remind people that Social Media sites are a bad source of information about Covid and that people should seek reliable sources.

Amazingly, I got pushback on that from several people who insist that social media are a good source of “alternate viewpoints” (these are now people with whom I no longer discuss Covid at all)

I only get my Covid information from fortune cookies. /s

“Ask a friend to join you on your next voyage.”

Collected fortune cookie quotes at Fortune Cookie Message

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:57:06am

re: #85 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

More fortune cookie covid advice:

A wish is what makes life happen when you dream of rose petals.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 3:59:12am

re: #86 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The Prosperity Gospel fortune cookie.

You cannot become rich except by enriching others.

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steve_davis  Nov 23, 2020 • 4:02:24am

re: #15 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

We still have no Covid-19 cases in my town, though the entire Panhandle is listed as “severe risk of transmission” for every other town.

I’m beginning to think there’s something about our water, maybe the natural uranium and elemental arsenic, which provides resistance to the virus. /s

we have tremendous spread amongst college students on campus, but i’m not hearing horror stories about the level of community spread. It could be because this is a university town and the residents are educated enough to wear a damned mask when out and about.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 4:03:36am

All those avocado toast parties students are having

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 4:12:34am

re: #88 steve_davis

we have tremendous spread amongst college students on campus, but i’m not hearing horror stories about the level of community spread. It could be because this is a university town and the residents are educated enough to wear a damned mask when out and about.

We went months with no cases while Covid-19 raged in New Jersey, New York, and Washington. Because of the bulkshite coming out of the White House coupled with the general complacency around here (it won’t come here, we’re a rural area and don’t have much tourism), when it did get here it took people by surprise. (Not clinics, hospitals, and public health directors though: they were aware what was going to happen. They were faced with a state government actively working against them.)

Our local media (newspapers and radio especially) reported the pandemic as it tore across the world fairly straightforward, though to me it seemed they didn’t emphasise sufficiently that out here on the High unpopulated Plains, we weren’t immune from it, we would only be delayed.

Toss the burning tire fires that were Trump’s Mount Rushmore fireworks display followed by the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, and things really got going.

By the time those happened though, it had already been brought here from Colorado, probably by hunters or campers.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2020 • 4:15:12am
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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 4:26:30am

Thread on the next clown show in Michigan with the State canvassers. Basically, the board has no discretion to do anything: the law is a massive list of SHALLs, and they are certainly not allowed to delay certification, and not allowed to adjourn without the Dems allowing it. Also, the lawyer here points out that dereliction of this duty is a criminal offense.

I would assume that the Biden campaign has a complaint written up ready to go to have the state court immediately certify the count in case the goopers pull shit, and this is an even clearer case then any other the other ones they’ve won.

ETA: the author was the chief legal counsel for MI Governor Granholm.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 4:28:16am

Panhandle Public Health District is starting to update its Covid-19 dashboard. There’s been no updates since November 19.

Revised upward:

November 6: 264 cases
November 16: 169 cases
November 18: 132 cases

Last report: November 19: 98 cases

Most cases by age: 30-39, then 40-49
Women and girls are about 60% of cases (the reverse of the statewide numbers)
Unknown gender is about 5% of the cases (I’m not sure why that is)

Cases have quintupled since October 7 (total cases stand at 5,212)

There are 92 active cases, 314 total cases, and 4 deaths in my county.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 23, 2020 • 4:33:44am

I’m off to bed to dream of electric tumbleweeds. G’night.

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John Hughes  Nov 23, 2020 • 4:42:45am

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Checking to see if there’s a Republican Party office in Ankara… .

Of course there is.

It’s called the Justice and Development party (AKP) over there.

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John Hughes  Nov 23, 2020 • 4:56:20am

re: #76 Ming5000

Tweets like that, with objectively false information, should be taken down. When I tried to report the tweet I do not find a category of “false of misleading” or, “misleading about CV-19”.

Well, it’s not “objectively false information”, it’s mostly true. About 10 million people in the world do catch TB each year, and about 1.4 million people die.

The comparable numbers for COVID-19 are over 58 million cases and nearly 1.4 million deaths, and the year is not yet over.

The part that’s nonsense is the bit about the media, and the fact that the vast majority of those TB cases are happening outside the US, where around 1/6 COVID-19 deaths have happened in the US (which has only 1/23 of the population of the world).

And of course, where there is a TB outbreak the immediate response is closing schools and businesses, quarantine, contact tracing and vaccination.

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Ming5000  Nov 23, 2020 • 5:14:13am

re: #96 John Hughes

Ah, I missed that TB deaths were so high per annum.

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 5:14:15am

I missed this Lincoln Project spot yesterday.

Should answer the question of whether they’re going to pivot away from attacking the GOP.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 5:15:06am

re: #97 Ming5000

Ah, I missed that TB deaths were so high per annum.

because it is mostly outside the US, I guess. I was also surprised

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 5:17:27am

re: #98 makeitstop

I missed this Lincoln Project spot yesterday.

Should answer the question of whether they’re going to pivot away from attacking the GOP.

Yes, surprising. But their appointed task of removing Trump is not over until he is out, and with so much the the GOP backing him, they are at least being consistent.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 5:30:23am

re: #98 makeitstop

I missed this Lincoln Project spot yesterday.

Should answer the question of whether they’re going to pivot away from attacking the GOP.

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I think they’re gonna be busy in 2022.

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jeffreyw  Nov 23, 2020 • 5:51:19am

Bitsy

Good morning!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 23, 2020 • 5:53:41am

re: #65 makeitstop

Murkowski of Alaska put out a statement, too.

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Give it a few days, we’re gonna have a lot of these.

This is the initial lead in to the establishment GOP attempting to make Trump the complete scapegoat for the election loss and sweep their four years of complicity under the rug.

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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 5:54:39am

Good thing this is only in some little rag called the Washington Post so Trump and his MAGAt hordes are unlikely to find out about it.

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 5:55:28am

re: #103 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

This is the initial lead in to the establishment GOP attempting to make Trump the complete scapegoat for the election loss and sweep their four years of complicity under the rug.

Two things…

1. Anyone who has been paying attention won’t buy it for a second, and

2. The Red Hats are gonna hate them for it.

Let them try.

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 5:57:00am

re: #104 ericblair

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Good thing this is only in some little rag called the Washington Post so Trump and his MAGAt hordes are unlikely to find out about it.

The best thing that could happen is Trump getting pissy over this and telling Georgia Red Hats to stay home.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:02:24am

re: #105 makeitstop

Two things…

1. Anyone who has been paying attention won’t buy it for a second, and

2. The Red Hats are gonna hate them for it.

Let them try.

This is primarily smoke screen for the media to ignore the complicity during the Biden Campaign. Plus once the election was held a bunch of people *did* stop paying attention. The Red Hats will cry a bit, but most of them will still vote GOP since it’s still the way to “own the libs” going forward and continue to pack the courts with conservative hacks and get Roe vs Wade overturned.

I think a lot of them found the Trump Cult useful as a bandwagon, but are not true believers.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:04:34am

So, in light of the fuckery going on in MI today, are there any remaining states whose votes have not yet been certified that voted for DJT, that Dems can respond in kind to?

I wish our liberal media journalists would look into such things.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:07:19am

re: #106 makeitstop

The best thing that could happen is Trump getting pissy over this and telling Georgia Red Hats to stay home.

Let the hate flow through you

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:07:23am

re: #108 Sir John Barron

So, in light of the fuckery going on in MI today, are there any remaining states whose votes have not yet been certified that voted for DJT, that Dems can respond in kind to?

I wish our liberal media journalists would look into such things.

My local George Soros club and Antifa chapter have also been noticeably silent. Some help they are.

/////

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:08:34am

re: #107 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I think a lot of them found the Trump Cult useful as a bandwagon, but are not true believers.

By ‘them,’ I’m assuming you mean members of Congress. There, I’ll agree.

But do not underestimate the level of devotion the Red Hats have for Trump. That shit is a cult, and Trump is their Godhead. If he tells them to stay home (or more likely , write Trump in in Georgia), they’ll do it in a second.

Those idiots protesting in Georgia over the weekend said they’d accept nothing less than another four years of Trump, and right now it looks like they’re blaming his loss on the (Republican) governor and the (Republican) Secretary of State. They’re abandoning Fox News wholesale because Trump told them Fox betrayed him.

The Republican politicians might want to ‘own the libs,’ but I don’t think Trump’s rage is just directed at Democrats any more. Right now, he hates everybody.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:09:38am

re: #108 Sir John Barron

So, in light of the fuckery going on in MI today, are there any remaining states whose votes have not yet been certified that voted for DJT, that Dems can respond in kind to?

I wish our liberal media journalists would look into such things.

The list of states with Democratic legislatures but Republican governors that voted for Trump is zero.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:11:01am

re: #112 Belafon

The list of states with Democratic legislatures but Republican governors that voted for Trump is zero.

I’m wondering about the canvassing board thing, too. Is MI the only state that does it like that? It was interesting that that doesn’t seem to be the process in GA, where the SoS just certified the votes.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:11:14am

Lre: #111 makeitstop

By ‘them,’ I’m assuming you mean members of Congress. There, I’ll agree.

But do not underestimate the level of devotion the Red Hats have for Trump. That shit is a cult, and Trump is their Godhead. If he tells them to stay home (or more likely , write Trump in in Georgia), they’ll do it in a second.

Those idiots protesting in Georgia over the weekend said they’d accept nothing less than another four years of Trump, and right now it looks like they’re blaming his loss on the (Republican) governor and the (Republican) Secretary of State. They’re abandoning Fox News wholesale because Trump told them Fox betrayed him.

The Republican politicians might want to ‘own the libs,’ but I don’t think Trump’s rage is jut directed at Democrats any more. Right now, he hates everybody.

They’re pissed off at Tucker right now because he didn’t fully go along with Sidney Powell’s kooky bs. Honestly GOP civil war is coming and I’m more here for that than a breakfast burrito and I love breakfast burritos.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:11:21am

“We are on an absolutely catastrophic path,” said a COVID-19 doctor at America’s best-prepared hospital

The hospital in question is the University of Nebraska Medical Center at Omaha.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:12:14am

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

“We are on an absolutely catastrophic path,” said a COVID-19 doctor at America’s best-prepared hospital

The hospital in question is the University of Nebraska Medical Center at Omaha.

This is Trump’s legacy. It’s how he will be remembered.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:17:31am

re: #86 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

More fortune cookie covid advice:

“Ignore previous fortune”

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:19:36am

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

We went months with no cases while Covid-19 raged in New Jersey, New York, and Washington. Because of the bulkshite coming out of the White House coupled with the general complacency around here (it won’t come here, we’re a rural area and don’t have much tourism), when it did get here it took people by surprise. (Not clinics, hospitals, and public health directors though: they were aware what was going to happen. They were faced with a state government actively working against them.)

Our local media (newspapers and radio especially) reported the pandemic as it tore across the world fairly straightforward, though to me it seemed they didn’t emphasise sufficiently that out here on the High unpopulated Plains, *****we weren’t immune from it, we would only be delayed.*****

Toss the burning tire fires that were Trump’s Mount Rushmore fireworks display followed by the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, and things really got going.

By the time those happened though, it had already been brought here from Colorado, probably by hunters or campers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:19:37am

re: #116 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This is Trump’s legacy. It’s how he will be remembered.

Him and all the other fucking Republicans who refuse to take this seriously.

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:23:09am

Big Biz to Trump: Get off the dime. Now.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:23:49am

re: #104 ericblair

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Good thing this is only in some little rag called the Washington Post so Trump and his MAGAt hordes are unlikely to find out about it.

“Likely”
Such courage

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:28:01am

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

In the Great Depression, you know who wasn’t standing in bread lines? People like JP Morgan and the Vanderbilts. They made money off people’s pain.

As Andrew Mellon, the Secretary of the Treasury who had three Presidents serve under him (Harding, Coolidge, Hoover) said, “In a depression, wealth flows back to its natural owners”…

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:30:14am

re: #120 makeitstop

Big Biz to Trump: Get off the dime. Now.

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there is no U.S., only Zog

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:31:29am

re: #120 makeitstop

Big Biz to Trump: Get off the dime. Now.

This will be spun as “Trump Standing up for the Little Man against Big Business”

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:32:28am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This will be spun as “Trump Standing up for the Little Man against Big Business”

That machine don’t spin like it used to, Wendell. :)

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:32:28am

re: #120 makeitstop

Big Biz to Trump: Get off the dime. Now.

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Trumpers turning on business will be fun to watch.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:32:58am

re: #126 Belafon

Trumpers turning on business will be fun to watch.

Trumpers turning on the GOP has been my favorite development of the past few days

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:34:02am

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Wonkette:

Buffalo Anti-Lockdown Group Suggested Dressing Up As Slaves For Protest

The bandwidth of victimhood of conservatives in large groups cannot be calculated. Masks are not the Holocaust, masks are not slavery, masks aren’t taking your rights.

Get off the cross, we need the wood.

“feel free to dress up as slaves.”. So instead they showed up dressed as assholes.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:35:30am

Of course the MI canvassers can engage in their buggery today, and still not deliver enough EV to their master, leaving them out on an island, reaping whatever legal consequences there may be for not fulfilling their ministerial duties, setting a precedent for Dem states to do likewise another year, and still having Joe Biden as president.

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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:37:34am

In good news about not-insane people, another effective COVID vaccine which is much easier to store and transport than the first two. There is a weird effect that a lower initial dose (of the two doses administered) apparently raises the effectiveness to 90%. I don’t know how much of that could be a statistical artefact.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:38:12am

re: #126 Belafon

Trumpers turning on business will be fun to watch.

He has always sold himself as the man protecting the workers’ interests against predatory globalists.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:38:53am

re: #130 ericblair

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In good news about not-insane people, another effective COVID vaccine which is much easier to store and transport than the first two. There is a weird effect that a lower initial dose (of the two doses administered) apparently raises the effectiveness to 90%. I don’t know how much of that could be a statistical artefact.

bigger chance of hitting a vein the second time around?

/

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:39:35am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

….

Money can buy power, diplomacy, or a military. Each of those elements are as you note, not the same.

It sure is easier to earn your second billion dollars than it is your first. Once you have that first though (either through inheritance or winning the lottery, the so-called Protestant work ethic isn’t going to do it), getting the attention of politicians suddenly becomes much easier.

….

Many of the modern billionaires earned it through their personal skills— and not through inheritance — Oprah, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Bill Gates etc. I suppose one could say that they “won the lottery” because their technology succeeded while others failed, but it did involve real work, dedication, and sheer brilliance.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:43:42am

re: #133 Hecuba’s daughter

Many of the modern billionaires earned it through their personal skills— and not through inheritance — Oprah, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Bill Gates etc. I suppose one could say that they “won the lottery” because their technology succeeded while others failed, but it did involve real work, dedication, and sheer brilliance.

Obama was always branded as an elitist although he got where he got through lots of hard work as well. So did the Clintons or Joe Biden.

We did have plenty of Presidential candidates who fit the Elite category through birth or marriage: Trump, McCain, Romney, Kerry, Bush, Gore…

The trick is to be from the elite but to sell oneself as not belonging to it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:43:47am

re: #76 Ming5000

Tweets like that, with objectively false information, should be taken down. When I tried to report the tweet I do not find a category of “false of misleading” or, “misleading about CV-19”.
How do others report this type of tweet?

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The claim is literally true — it’s just that the figures are worldwide, and not reflective of the experience in the United States. A perfect example of how to lie with statistics.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:45:40am

re: #133 Hecuba’s daughter

Many of the modern billionaires earned it through their personal skills— and not through inheritance — Oprah, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Bill Gates etc. I suppose one could say that they “won the lottery” because their technology succeeded while others failed, but it did involve real work, dedication, and sheer brilliance.

A lot of the famous people had ambition and that one little thing that allowed them to take advantage of changing technology, and they were in the right place at the right time. You can scale that up to the people you listed, but it also even works for lower down. It’s not a knock against anyone who does it, it’s just that a lot of them had a couple of things be in place at the right moment.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:47:38am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Obama was always branded as an elitist although he got where he got through lots of hard work as well. So did the Clintons or Joe Biden.

We did have plenty of Presidential candidates who fit the Elite category through birth or marriage: Trump, McCain, Romney, Kerry, Bush, Gore…

The trick is to be from the elite but to sell oneself as not belonging to it.

a gay transgender Islamacist from Kenya Elitist, OK?!

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:48:51am

This sequence is perfect if you arrange it like a Quentin Tarantino movie:

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Nojay UK  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:49:34am

re: #130 ericblair

In good news about not-insane people, another effective COVID vaccine which is much easier to store and transport than the first two.

The Oxford AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is a more conventional vaccine compared to the first two vaccine candidates which have announced test results, the encapsulated-mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna. It’s more of a shotgun, a modified inactivated chimpanzee cold virus compared to the “sniper” spike-protein antagonist mRNA antibody generator. This makes it a lot cheaper to produce and there’s a greater worldwide capacity for production — it may be possible to produce 3 billion doses of this vaccine next year whereas only a few hundred million doses of the mRNA vaccines can be produced in the same time period.

Even with the reported 70% baseline effectiveness (and understand that those figures are based on only a few hundred placebo recipients worldwide going on to be infected with COVID-19 so the error bars are quite large) it’s still a good vaccine to have in the arsenal.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:52:35am
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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:54:38am

re: #136 Belafon

A lot of the famous people had ambition and that one little thing that allowed them to take advantage of changing technology, and they were in the right place at the right time. You can scale that up to the people you listed, but it also even works for lower down. It’s not a knock against anyone who does it, it’s just that a lot of them had a couple of things be in place at the right moment.

I can’t be the only one who has sat through company VP and C-whatever-O talks about their rise to success, and waiting for the moment when Lady Luck steered them into just the right project, or had the key person above them fortuitously retire, or in general zigged instead of zagged where the success of either option was a coin flip. They were all very hard working, smart, and talented people, but so were many of the others who I knew of whose projects (and careers) got killed through no faults of their own.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:54:54am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. NJ is reporting that ICUs are up to 91% capacity, and we’re seeing the rise continue with no end in sight. The cases are surging, and it’s not just in places that managed to contain the spread previously. It’s everywhere.

Trump’s being a bunker bitch and kvetching about how the election was stolen, all while actually trying to steal the election and violating federal laws in the process by interfering in the counting of legitimately cast ballots.

He just keeps committing crimes, and we shouldn’t become dulled to the widespread commission of crimes Trumpworld keeps doing even in the final days of this corrupt and incompetent admin.

Trump’s butcher’s bill is over 260,000 (300,000 excess deaths and rolling). He doesn’t care. He never cared. The GOP doesn’t care either, and they’ll keep saying that it isn’t serious right up to the moment they’re intubated or die. The GOP have wrecked the nation and are trying to burn the remnants on the way out the door, all while obstructing and sabotaging the incoming administration with threats of refusal to confirm Biden cabinet and judicial picks.

The GOP is thoroughly corrupt and compromised to the core. They don’t uphold the Constitution and it’s time for Democrats to call them out explicitly on this point. The GOP aren’t for law and order. They’re for their power and inflicting their orders on everyone else while they redistribute burdens from the rich to everyone else and call it a day. Anything that might reduce the burdens is seen as a theft from the rich and poor whites to persons of color, when everyone benefits. Health care is seen as a privilege instead of a right. Voting is seen as something only entitled white people should have, and the GOP is fighting to negate the votes of tens of millions of people, many who are persons of color, because they voted in numbers for Biden.

All the talk of bipartisanship would make sense if the GOP had rational actors in their midst, but they’re all craven cowards who can barely manage to admit that Biden defeated Trump, let alone decisively beat Trump (which is what happened when he had the biggest win against an incumbent since 1932). The GOP are a party of obstructionists and corrupt thugs who have enabled the fucking fascists and goddamned Nazis to take over the party along with conspiracy nuts.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 23, 2020 • 6:58:33am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Obama was always branded as an elitist although he got where he got through lots of hard work as well. So did the Clintons or Joe Biden.

We did have plenty of Presidential candidates who fit the Elite category through birth or marriage: Trump, McCain, Romney, Kerry, Bush, Gore…

The trick is to be from the elite but to sell oneself as not belonging to it.

Sort of like the Cape Cod “coastal elite” Bush family passing themselves off as folksy Texans?

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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:00:19am

re: #139 Nojay UK

The Oxford AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is a more conventional vaccine compared to the first two vaccine candidates which have announced test results, the encapsulated-mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna. It’s more of a shotgun, a modified inactivated chimpanzee cold virus compared to the “sniper” spike-protein antagonist mRNA antibody generator.

Next year, we’re all going to be vaccine connoisseurs. “The Moderna is insouciant and a bit fruity with just the right hint of spike protein, best paired with fish or a bit of paracetamol.”

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:00:25am

re: #141 ericblair

I can’t be the only one who has sat through company VP and C-whatever-O talks about their rise to success, and waiting for the moment when Lady Luck steered them into just the right project, or had the key person above them fortuitously retire, or in general zigged instead of zagged where the success of either option was a coin flip. They were all very hard working, smart, and talented people, but so were many of the others who I knew of whose projects (and careers) got killed through no faults of their own.

Here’s a few examples off of my head, including those above:
Elvis - The transistor radio
Michael Jackson and Madonna - The music video
Garth Brooks - Checkout counter tabulation of record sales
Bill Gates - The creation of the PC
Bezos - The ability to sell online
Zuckerberg - Parents and grandparents figuring out the internet
Murdoch - Cable television

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:02:28am

re: #142 lawhawk

And then there’s federal law, backed by criminal penalties. Any refusal to certify an election based on meritless innuendo would likely violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Section 11(a) makes it illegal to “willfully fail or refuse to tabulate, count, and report” lawful votes.

Lock em up

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:03:16am

re: #145 Belafon

Thinking about Zuckerberg a bit more, what also helped is the advent of online storage, the beginnings of the cloud.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:04:04am

re: #142 lawhawk

And Trump’s actions mean there’s a conspiracy to refuse to certify legitimately cast votes. Trump, his lawyers, and state/local officials that attempt to do so. That too is a felony and needs to be added to the coming charge sheet against Trump.

Indeed

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:05:37am

re: #145 Belafon

Here’s a few examples off of my head, including those above:
Elvis - The transistor radio
Michael Jackson and Madonna - The music video
Garth Brooks - Checkout counter tabulation of record sales
Bill Gates - The creation of the PC
Bezos - The ability to sell online
Zuckerberg - Parents and grandparents figuring out the internet
Murdoch - Cable television

The Beatles - post-assassination malaise

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:06:11am

re: #143 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Sort of like the Cape Cod “coastal elite” Bush family passing themselves off as folksy Texans?

The lads who used to snort cocaine with Saudi princes on their gold-plated yachts, yes…

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:08:12am

re: #149 makeitstop

The Beatles - post-assassination malaise

That and the global distribution of pop culture.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:08:25am

re: #149 makeitstop

The Beatles - post-assassination malaise

America - sounding like CSNY when they broke up

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jamesfirecat  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:09:02am

re: #145 Belafon

Here’s a few examples off of my head, including those above:
Elvis - The transistor radio
Michael Jackson and Madonna - The music video
Garth Brooks - Checkout counter tabulation of record sales
Bill Gates - The creation of the PC
Bezos - The ability to sell online
Zuckerberg - Parents and grandparents figuring out the internet
Murdoch - Cable television

I’d say Murdoch’s brilliance was less cable television, and more realizing that there was a television market for people who wanted to be purposefully fed misinformation so long as it reinforced to the beliefs/biases they already held and then filled it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:09:44am
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:10:47am

She wouldn’t know what a Communist is even if Karl Marx rose from the grave and farted in her face.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:10:55am

re: #153 jamesfirecat

I’d say Murdoch’s brilliance was less cable television, and more realizing that there was a television market for people who wanted to be purposefully fed misinformation so long as it reinforced to the beliefs/biases they already held and then filled it.

More so to drive the need not fill it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:14:25am

re: #153 jamesfirecat

I’d say Murdoch’s brilliance was less cable television, and more realizing that there was a television market for people who wanted to be purposefully fed misinformation so long as it reinforced to the beliefs/biases they already held and then filled it.

Cable television made that possible.

And it became clear that it was not the size of your audience, but how thoroughly you covered a particular target group that made you successful.

Miami Vice never had the highest ratings, but it had the 18-34 demographic nailed down and that made them gold for anyone advertising lifestyle, fashion or personal care items. That mantle was passed on to shows like Friends, Seinfield or Big Bang Theory

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:14:38am

THREAD: RTWT

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jamesfirecat  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:14:48am

re: #156 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

More so to drive the need not fill it.

I guess the best way to describe it would be like if Murdoch’s beer wagon rolled into town with a few people who liked to drink every so often socially… and by the time he was done those same people were all dying of liver failure.

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garzooma  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:16:31am

re: #155 🌹UOJB!

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Statement from Sidney Powell accepting the Trumpian distancing, while saying she won’t be letting the “Republic … be stolen by communists from without and within or our votes altered or manipulated by foreign actors in Hong Kong, Iran, Venezuela, or Serbia”. So that’s fine.

How did Hong Kong and Serbia make the list?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:19:16am

re: #160 garzooma

How did Hong Kong and Serbia make the list?

The Black Hand Society, obviously…

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:19:30am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Obama was always branded as an elitist although he got where he got through lots of hard work as well. So did the Clintons or Joe Biden.

We did have plenty of Presidential candidates who fit the Elite category through birth or marriage: Trump, McCain, Romney, Kerry, Bush, Gore…

The trick is to be from the elite but to sell oneself as not belonging to it.

Obama was considered an “elitist” because he actually praised and admired actual scientists, intellectuals, university professors, artists and other classes reviled by MAGAts.

One must hate these groups of people in order to fit in with a large percentage of America.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:23:07am

re: #160 garzooma

How did Hong Kong and Serbia make the list?

Oh it’s either Masonic lodges, the Illuminati or GASP…Rosicrucians!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:24:37am

re: #157 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Miami Vice had the look.

Dance With The Dead - Only A Dream (Miami Vice 1984–1990 Tribute)

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jeffreyw  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:25:11am

re: #163 🌹UOJB!

Oh it’s either Masonic lodges, the Illuminati or GASP…Rosicrucians!

It’s King Kong. The fool can’t spell, either.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:31:32am

re: #159 jamesfirecat

I guess the best way to describe it would be like if Murdoch’s beer wagon rolled into town with a few people who liked to drink every so often socially… and by the time he was done those same people were all dying of liver failure.

I think I’d like to go back to the earliest days of Fox News and see if they started out with extreme propaganda or if they eased into it over time. I think it’s likely the latter.

Rush predated Fox so there was a basis. Was there crossover promotion?

There really needs to be detailed analysis of this because we need to unbrainwash a bunch of people and determine how to prevent this.

And worse, now Fox isn’t crazy enough. This is all trending poorly for democracy.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:36:41am

Simple assault. Released on a summons.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:41:00am

🤬 They’ll give money otherwise. 🤬

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:41:02am

re: #162 Florida Panhandler

Obama was considered an “elitist” because he actually praised and admired actual scientists, intellectuals, university professors, artists and other classes reviled by MAGAts.

One must hate these groups of people in order to fit in with a large percentage of America.

Obama also believed every American should go to college if they wanted. What an elitist!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:41:34am

re: #166 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

There really needs to be detailed analysis of this because we need to unbrainwash a bunch of people and determine how to prevent this.

And worse, now Fox isn’t crazy enough. This is all trending poorly for democracy.

At some point, news agencies figured out it was cheaper to get an unpaid intern to mine the social media for what was #trending than to pay actual reporters to write articles.

Then people like Trudge and Breitbard figured out that all you had to do was get any contrived dumpster fire of a conspiracy theory or scandal #trending and it would get picked up by the MSM and become a story with a life of its own.

And I have been despairing for the future of the Republic ever since and lamenting the lives already lost to this degeneracy.

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John Hughes  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:43:54am

re: #97 Ming5000

Ah, I missed that TB deaths were so high per annum.

Lots of things in the world kill lots of people.

But it’s silly comparing them with COVID-19 because COVID-19 is a new thing to kill people and has only killed as few people as it has (if you consider nearly 1.5 million people as “few”) because of the huge efforts we are making to contain it.

Just because TB kills people doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to save the people that COVID-19 will kill.

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Mattand  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:44:14am

re: #167 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Simple assault. Released on a summons.

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That guy is probably 5 years older than me. I’m 54.

I really have a hard time wrapping my head around behaving like that at this stage in your life. Although it cuts right to the appeal Trump has for these fucking idiots: be aggressive and obnoxious in order to prove your point.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:44:28am

re: #169 Dr. Matt

Obama also believed every American should go to college if they wanted. What an elitist!

He believed that everyone should get a post-High School education or some form of training.

But that was quickly spun into him wanting us to all get a PhD in Gender and Minority Ethnographic Studies at Broward College.

Meanwhile, our public High School systems turn out students who cannot read, write, do higher math or basically anything other than fuck, fight, gamble, drink, do drugs and follow professional sports.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:47:33am

re: #169 Dr. Matt

Obama also believed every American should go to college if they wanted. What an elitist!

Yes I remember when Frothy Santorum went into a rage calling Obama a snot because of that.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:50:55am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Meanwhile, our High School system turns out students who cannot read, write, do higher math or basically anything other than fuck, fight, gamble, drink, do drugs and follow professional sports.

And they go to church where Pulpit Pimp Preachers and Priests promise them Pie In The Sky When They Die As Long As They Kiss Wall Street Ass And Vote Republican.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:56:57am

re: #120 makeitstop

Hurting their bottom lines, is more like it.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:59:12am

re: #166 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I think I’d like to go back to the earliest days of Fox News and see if they started out with extreme propaganda or if they eased into it over time. I think it’s likely the latter.

Rush predated Fox so there was a basis. Was there crossover promotion?

There really needs to be detailed analysis of this because we need to unbrainwash a bunch of people and determine how to prevent this.

And worse, now Fox isn’t crazy enough. This is all trending poorly for democracy.

They started out slightly conservative. “Fair & Balanced” and “We report, you decide” were their mottos. They slowly built up to where they are now. I tried watching them early, but I don’t really watch a lot of TV news and they were a bit too conservative for me.

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jaunte  Nov 23, 2020 • 7:59:38am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:03:37am

Interesting thread.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:07:10am

re: #179 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Interesting thread.

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Wingers need their safe spaces.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:10:25am

re: #180 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Wingers need their safe spaces.

They don’t want a safe space, they want a locker room where they can beat up the lib’s without anyone bother them, it’s why they keep talking about Parler, but don’t stop posting on Twitter, because once they realize there’s no one to “own” on Parler, the appeal rapidly starts to dwindle.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:17:42am

re: #181 jamesfirecat

They don’t want a safe space, they want a locker room where they can beat up the lib’s without anyone bother them, it’s why they keep talking about Parler, but don’t stop posting on Twitter, because once they realize there’s no one to “own” on Parler, the appeal rapidly starts to dwindle.

True that. Parler is eventually gonna just go the way of Gab, Conservpedia, etc.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:18:21am

re: #180 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Wingers need their safe spaces.

They are the biggest snowflakes and have a long-history of safe spaces:

*They will only watch fox (now newsmax).
*They will only listen to am conservative hate radio.
*They created a conservative version/alternative-reality of Wikipedia (Conservative).
*They created a conservative version of Facebook (ReaganBook)
*They mounted boycotts against Disney, Harley, NFL, NBA, NASCAR, NHL, MLB, Monday Night Football, Oreos, JCPenney, Macys, Nike, United Airlines, Coke, Keurig, etc., to name just a few off the top of my head.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:20:02am

re: #160 garzooma

How did Hong Kong and Serbia make the list?

Partcularly since Sidney seems to be very sympatico with Serbian nationalists.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:20:16am

MOAR SHENANIGANS

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:20:41am

Thread

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:21:07am

re: #185 The Pie Overlord!

MOAR SHENANIGANS

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that’s not how the auditing process works (or is supposed to work)

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:21:14am

HOLY TEXAS NEBRASKA CHAINSAW MASSACRE, BATMAN!

Nebraska racist attacks Black neighbor with chainsaw after assuming she was stealing from him

LPD: Lincoln man threatened neighbor with chainsaw, used racial slur

Lincoln police say officers responded Saturday afternoon to the 1700 block of N. 68th St. where they found a 25-year-old Black woman and several witnesses.

The woman told officers she arrived at her apartment building and was about to walk upstairs when a man, identified by police as 41-year-old Daniel Stueck, revved a chainsaw at her and told her to get off the property.

The woman reported Stueck also called her a racial slur.

The woman said Stueck told her she “better run” and continued to use racial epithets.

Police say Stueck told officers Black people have been stealing from him and that the woman “was guilty because was Black.”

klkntv.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:21:41am

re: #186 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Thread

FFS.

God’s punishment for going blue?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:21:49am

re: #183 Dr. Matt

They are the biggest snowflakes and have a long-history of safe spaces:

*They will only watch fox (now newsmax).
*They will only listen to am conservative hate radio.
*They created a conservative version/alternative-reality of Wikipedia (Conservative).
*They created a conservative version of Facebook (ReaganBook)
*They mounted boycotts against Disney, Harley, NFL, NBA, NASCAR, NHL, MLB, Monday Night Football, Oreos, JCPenney, Macys, Nike, United Airlines, Coke, Keurig, etc., to name just a few off the top of my head.

abandoned Twitter for Parler….

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:23:46am

re: #190 Sir John Barron

abandoned Twitter for Parler….

I mean they stayed on Twitter and complained about it censoring them in the tweets they tweet that aren’t censored, and also created special snowflake protected accounts on Parler.

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John Hughes  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:24:48am

re: #166 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I think I’d like to go back to the earliest days of Fox News and see if they started out with extreme propaganda or if they eased into it over time. I think it’s likely the latter.

Fox wasn’t Murdoch’s first venture. You might like to look at what he was doing with his newspapers.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:25:06am

re: #185 The Pie Overlord!

MOAR SHENANIGANS

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SORE LOSERS!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:25:06am

re: #184 Sherlock Hound

Partcularly since Sidney seems to be very sympatico with Serbian nationalists.

Serbian nationalists love Trump and hate Biden. Biden even called Milosevic a murderer to his face.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:27:19am

The voters of Georgia have a chance to take down THREE Republican senators.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:29:55am

re: #185 The Pie Overlord!

MOAR SHENANIGANS

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Gary Peters needs to say something. So does Biden. This “Democratic votes don’t count” thing is bullshit. Republican sure losers need to GTFO. The entitlement mindset is infuriating.

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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:30:11am

re: #193 🌹UOJB!

SORE LOSERS!

This is basically a game of hot potato at this point. Trumpy GOP politician sends letter to Trumpy state schlub who might be dumb enough to break state and federal law, so Trumpy GOP politician gets valuable Stupid Coup points but can say that he ain’t done nuffin wrong. Well, much wrong, anyway.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:30:27am

with all the talk above regarding OAN, Fox, newsmax, etc and ‘propaganda’, well it clearly works.

Reuters interviewed 50 people Why Republican voters say there’s ‘no way in hell’ Trump lost

- All of them said the election was rigged or otherwise illegitimate.
- 20 said if there was proof the election was honest, they might consider accepting Biden as the president.
- they said millions of Trump votes were switched by computers, poll workers, or hackers
- some are boycotting Fox because it called the election for Biden
they said:
- Biden’s vote total makes no sense because Biden didn’t campaign and seems to be in mental decline.
- “There’s millions and millions of Trump votes that were just thrown out. That computer was throwing them out.”
- “I like that I get to hear from Rudy Giuliani and others who are not immediately discounted as being crazy.”
- “There’s no way in hell Biden won fairly.” this person would only believe it if Trump himself says so.

and the capper: they asked if Trump might just be scamming his followers. One said: “If I’m being manipulated by Trump…then he is the greatest con man that ever lived in America.”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:30:38am

re: #192 John Hughes

Fox wasn’t Murdoch’s first venture. You might like to look at what he was doing with his newspapers.

Globally.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:31:37am

newsmax is playing with fire

Newsmax Calls Ga. for Biden After Certification, but Not 2020 Winner

In keeping with Newsmax’s policy of basing projections in contested states on official certifications, Newsmax is projecting Biden the winner of Georgia and its electoral votes.

The Georgia win, according to Newsmax’s projections, gives Biden 269 electoral votes, one short of a presumed majority in the Electoral College set to convene in December.

Still, Newsmax is not calling the 2020 election for Biden.

In other news, Newsmax is not say that it was aliens, but it was aliens…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:33:29am

re: #198 dangerman

with all the talk above regarding OAN, Fox, newsmax, etc and ‘propaganda’, well it clearly works.

Reuters interviewed 50 people Why Republican voters say there’s ‘no way in hell’ Trump lost

- All of them said the election was rigged or otherwise illegitimate.
- 20 said if there was proof the election was honest, they might consider accepting Biden as the president.
- they said millions of Trump votes were switched by computers, poll workers, or hackers
- some are boycotting Fox because it called the election for Biden
they said:
- Biden’s vote total makes no sense because Biden didn’t campaign and seems to be in mental decline.
- “There’s millions and millions of Trump votes that were just thrown out. That computer was throwing them out.”
- “I like that I get to hear from Rudy Giuliani and others who are not immediately discounted as being crazy.”
- “There’s no way in hell Biden won fairly.” this person would only believe it if Trump himself says so.

and the capper: they asked if Trump might just be scamming his followers. One said: “If I’m being manipulated by Trump…then he is the greatest con man that ever lived in America.”

They live in an alternate reality of their own making.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:34:44am

re: #171 John Hughes

Lots of things in the world kill lots of people.

But it’s silly comparing them with COVID-19 because COVID-19 is a new thing to kill people and has only killed as few people as it has (if you consider nearly 1.5 million people as “few”) because of the huge efforts we are making to contain it.

Just because TB kills people doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to save the people that COVID-19 will kill.

or that we stop trying to reduce the TB mortality rate

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:35:27am

Morning Lizardim. I saw on CNN that Trump’s SEAL Team Noob has filed for an emergency injunction preventing certification in Pennsylvania. Any idea which of their laughable “legal” claims are in it?

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:36:39am

re: #102 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

Last flower of the season
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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:37:03am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Meanwhile, our public High School systems turn out students who cannot read, write, do higher math or basically anything other than fuck, fight, gamble, drink, do drugs and follow professional sports.

when i was hiring college grad cpa candidates in the early 80’s none could write a simple business letter nor reconcile a bank account even with the aid of the form on the back of the (paper) statement.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:37:24am

re: #203 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. I saw on CNN that Trump’s SEAL Team Noob has filed for an emergency injunction preventing certification in Pennsylvania. Any idea which of their laughable “legal” claims are in it?

All of them Katie.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:37:42am

re: #178 jaunte

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it’s a machine count only.
nothing’s gonna change

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:38:43am

re: #207 dangerman

it’s a machine count only.
nothing’s gonna change

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Georgia’s tax dollars working for them. They must be so happy.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:38:43am

re: #206 Eventual Carrion

All of them Katie.

Is this Kayleigh’s vaunted Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy spanning thousands of people across the entire United States that she alluded was coming “soon” that I saw before I left?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:39:10am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:39:12am

re: #209 thedopefishlives

Is this Kayleigh’s vaunted Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy spanning thousands of people across the entire United States that she alluded was coming “soon” that I saw before I left?

All 80 million of them.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:39:55am

re: #192 John Hughes

This old Salon article goes deep into the origins of Fox News. Interesting read. Murdoch was always a white grievance pimp scumbag who recognized a large grievance base to profit off of.

salon.com

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:40:01am

re: #211 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

All 80 million of them.

Ugh, right, so the consensus among Republicans is that Democrats aren’t allowed to vote. Got it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:40:28am

re: #208 Eventual Carrion

Georgia’s tax dollars working for them. They must be so happy.

Wonder how Georgia Trumpers feel about him using their tax dollars to enable his temper tantrum.

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:40:53am

re: #203 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. I saw on CNN that Trump’s SEAL Team Noob has filed for an emergency injunction preventing certification in Pennsylvania. Any idea which of their laughable “legal” claims are in it?

I saw last night that they submitted an appeal that only asked or them to be able to amend the last filing, which got shot down with prejudice.

Or is this another one?

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mmmirele  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:40:56am

re: #151 Belafon

That and the global distribution of pop culture.

Speaking of pop culture, Esquire has a somewhat glossy cover story about BTS, the seven-guy KPop group with the ARMY and the stans. The article does reference the social situation in 1963 just before the British Invasion.

esquire.com

Interestingly, BTS appear to not be quite as controlled as other Kpop groups. That may be because they linked up with their label, BigHit, very early, invested and are multimillionaires as a redult of BigHit going public.

I have to admit I’ve really only seen BTS in KPop stan videos. I’m an old headbanger, but I do admire hard work and the stans annoying Donald Trump.

ETA I did check to see if BTS members had done their military sevice and apparently not yet. A law may be passed to let them delay until they are after 30 (members are between 23 and 27 years). South Korea does have a law allowing this for significant sports figures.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:41:45am

re: #215 makeitstop

I saw last night that they submitted an appeal that only asked or them to be able to amend the last filing, which got shot down with prejudice.

Or is this another one?

This is a new one. The one you’re referring to is the federal case. CNN announced that they have filed for an emergency injunction in PA state court, asking them to delay certification so they can get their already-discredited legal wharrgarbl a proper hearing.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:41:55am

Got a reinforcer email with the Zoom Thanksgiving gift:

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:42:50am

re: #201 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They live in an alternate reality of their own making.

Sounds just like my brainwashed family.

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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:42:55am

re: #203 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. I saw on CNN that Trump’s SEAL Team Noob has filed for an emergency injunction preventing certification in Pennsylvania. Any idea which of their laughable “legal” claims are in it?

Here ya go. This is such an amazing clusterfuck it just makes my head hurt.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:44:01am

Grr. Now I’m going back to CNN and they no longer have the article I was referencing. Digging deeper.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:44:35am

Reading more about Blinken and Thomas-Greenfield. Quite a contrast between Tillerson/Pompeo and Haley/whoever replaced Haley.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:45:09am

re: #186 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
That reminds me of the report that SD had conflated NICU beds with ICU beds.

You can’t treat a covid19 patient with a neonatal intensive care bed. Different staff entirely.

The GOP are actively killing people. That’s pretty galling considering that they love to claim that they’re pro life. They have a funny way of showing it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:46:17am

re: #219 🌹UOJB!

Sounds just like my brainwashed family.

Some of my distant relatives too. I stopped following them on FB because I was sick of my TL having Trumpist garbage by people who just put shit on their TLs without even trying to figure if something is accurate.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:46:17am

I am so fucking sick of these batshit crazy fucktards

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:46:58am

re: #222 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Reading more about Blinken and Thomas-Greenfield. Quite a contrast between Tillerson/Pompeo and Haley/whoever replaced Haley.

wow
a sec of state who isnt an oil company executive
and has scads of relevant experience
how can we stand it?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:47:04am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

I am so fucking sick of these batshit crazy fucktards

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Wait, wait, wait. When did Sidney Powell stop representing Trump?

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Jay C  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:47:27am

re: #207 dangerman

IIRC, Georgia law specifies that a formal “recount” (which is NOT the “audit” the state ordered, and completed, last week) may be requested by any relevant party to an election, and will be paid for by the state.

So yeah, a machine recount to examine vote figures that were:
1. Tabulated fairly and mostly correctly in the first place.
2. Have already been checked.

Normally, I’d say it’s a waste of time, but as long as it allows the Loser-in-Chief more time for fulminating bullshit tweets, I guess they think it’s worth the effort.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:48:35am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

I am so fucking sick of these batshit crazy fucktards

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Is it too much to ask anyone to initiate disbarment proceeding against that asshole?

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:49:12am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

I am so fucking sick of these batshit crazy fucktards

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‘good authority’, huh?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:49:17am

re: #229 🌹UOJB!

Is it too much to ask anyone to initiate disbarment proceeding against that asshole?

ALL of them should be disbarred.

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Interesting Times  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:49:29am

So when I saw Katie Porter trending, I immediately feared (because it’s 2020, y’all) that something terrible had happened. Thankfully, it’s more like something terrible is about to happen…to someone who richly deserves it:

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:50:36am

re: #214 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Wonder how Georgia Trumpers feel about him using their tax dollars to enable his temper tantrum.

Hopefully we will see in the coming runoff election

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:50:44am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

I am so fucking sick of these batshit crazy fucktards

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“Here’s proof of corruption,” she says, handing reporters her calendar.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:51:29am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

I am so fucking sick of these batshit crazy fucktards

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Thing is. She’s not crazy. She’s part of a group of people who want to do everything to keep this alternate universe where Trump actually won in a landslide afloat for the marks who will keep supporting Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:52:05am

re: #232 Interesting Times

So when I saw Katie Porter trending, I immediately feared (because it’s 2020, y’all) that something terrible had happened. Thankfully, it’s more like something terrible is about to happen…to someone who richly deserves it:

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not so sure the GSA person is going to attend. She’s stonewalled Congress before.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:53:52am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

Has anyone seen Powell and Louise Mensch or Orly Taitz in the same place at the same time, because all three of them have the same tenuous grasp on reality and spew the same kind of conspiracy crap and “just hours from indictments and arrests”.

There’s no evidence of fraud or corruption that shows Biden cheated. There’s a growing pile of evidence Trump engaged in felony conduct by and through his cronies to interfere in the administration of the election, including Rudy, Powell, Ellis, Graham, and others who pressured local officials to throw out millions of legitimately cast and counted ballots because Trump didn’t win.

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BeachDem  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:54:00am

re: #212 Florida Panhandler

This old Salon article goes deep into the origins of Fox News. Interesting read. Murdoch was always a white grievance pimp scumbag who recognized a large grievance base to profit off of.

salon.com

This 2011 article takes a pretty good look at all the players in congress relating to Murdoch.

thenation.com

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:55:23am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

I am so fucking sick of these batshit crazy fucktards

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So, what happens when neither of these things actually happen?

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:56:09am

re: #227 thedopefishlives

Wait, wait, wait. When did Sidney Powell stop representing Trump?

The Elite Strikeforce put out a statement yesterday saying she wasn’t on the team any more.

Apparently Trump lost his appetite for Powell’s flavor of crazy.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:57:15am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

I am so fucking sick of these batshit crazy fucktards

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Seinfeld: George Costanza - “I’m in my office!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:57:34am

re: #240 makeitstop

The Elite Strikeforce put out a statement yesterday saying she wasn’t on the team any more.

Apparently Trump lost his appetite for Powell’s flavor of crazy.

But she is still representing him, unofficially.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:57:51am

re: #237 lawhawk

Orly Taitz. Wow. A blast from the past. I’m surprised she isn’t a full-blown MAGAtard.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:58:25am

Another asshole who needs to be disbarred!

Jim Troupis, one of the Trump campaign lawyers seeking to throw out tens of thousands of 2020 ballots in the 2020 election vote recount in two deeply blue Wisconsin counties, unveiled a head-scratching gambit on Sunday.

As he was explaining to Wisconsin’s Dane County Board of Canvassers why in-person absentee ballots ought to be deemed illegal and thus invalidated, Troupis presented a list of those who had voted with those ballots-and then admitted he himself was one of the voters who had done so.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 8:59:11am
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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:00:12am

Trump’s foreign policy success is built around arms sales and enabling Iran’s nuclear program.

Fear of Iran is driving Arab countries to reconsider Israel and open up to normalized relations because Iran’s projected nuclear arsenal would be pointed and used first and foremost against Sunni majority countries from Saudi Arabia and Egypt to Iran and elsewhere. Israel is down on the list.

But with Iran’s threat of nuclear weapons rising with each passing day, getting weapons that can counter that becomes criticial. US pressures these countries into normalizing to get on the list of countries getting advanced US weapons.

This isn’t about peace. It’s about prep for the next major war, which will be fought with nuclear weapons because Iran isn’t going to hold back (Iraq and Iran didn’t hold back on use of chemical weapons during the long Iran-Iraq war either).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:00:24am

re: #243 Dr. Matt

Orly Taitz. Wow. A blast from the past. I’m surprised she isn’t a full-blown MAGAtard.

I wondered why she is keeping such a low profile these days…

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:02:12am

re: #239 thedopefishlives

So, what happens when neither of these things actually happen?

She will still be highly worshipped among the Parler crowd because…..

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:02:51am
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jaunte  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:04:05am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:05:26am

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I wondered why she is keeping such a low profile these days…

It’s been 4 years since there has been HuffPo article about her: huffpost.com

She’s probably pleased by limiting Obama to just 2 terms and is laying low since: Mission Accomplished.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:05:52am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:07:48am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

“Good authority”, huh? Pro tip, Sidney…..the voices in your head don’t count. That’s a symptom of schizophrenia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:08:27am

re: #252 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

102-year-old Vancouver woman sets Guinness World Record for oldest curler

My dear mom would be 102 if she were still alive…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:09:22am

re: #253 Dr Lizardo

“Good authority”, huh? Pro tip, Sidney…..the voices in your head don’t count. That’s a symptom of schizophrenia.

The Bible is the Best Authority on Earth, and that is what her “Biblical” lawsuit will be based on, I assume

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:10:11am

re: #250 jaunte

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Signature verification is a dead letter, and they all know it.

Signatures are detached from the ballots prior to counting to ensure anonymity. There’s no way to match up signatures with ballots.

They want to kill the clock and nothing more.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:12:12am

re: #253 Dr Lizardo

“Good authority”, huh? Pro tip, Sidney…..the voices in your head don’t count. That’s a symptom of schizophrenia.

“Good authority”

A DM on a Parler.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:15:28am

re: #257 Dr. Matt

“Good authority”

A DM on a Parler.

I really gotta wonder if she’s aware just how utterly deranged she sounds.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:17:01am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:17:23am

re: #258 Dr Lizardo

I really gotta wonder if she’s aware just how utterly deranged she sounds.

That is her schtick, she knows that the True Believers eat it up…

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:18:29am

75 Percent Of Lawyers Say They Wouldn’t Support Their Firm If They Represented Donald Trump: Lawyers do *not* approve of what Jones Day’s doing.

Fishbowl, a workplace social network for verified employees, conducted a survey of 4,546 verified law professionals in the U.S. on their app. They asked a simple, yes/no question: “Would you support your firm if it represented the Trump campaign as it files lawsuits challenging the outcome of the election in several states?”

An overwhelming number — 74.92 percent — answered no. Fishbowl also broke out the results by location, and the place with the highest percentage of “no” answers was Washington, D.C., with 97.44 percent. That was followed by Massachusetts (81.92 percent) and Maryland (81.25 percent). And even the places with the highest percentage of “yes” answers, still, on balance, were resoundingly against the idea of standing behind your firm as it litigates on behalf of the Trump campaign (64.41 percent of lawyers in North Carolina said “no” to the question, which corresponds to the highest “yes” answers).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:19:07am

re: #259 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

NEW: Biden will nominate Alejandro Mayorkas as the first Latino to lead the Department of Homeland Security.

He will pass the Taco Truck on Every Corner Decree, at which point White America will replace all intersections with roundabouts…

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:20:35am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:20:37am

re: #259 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Good pick.

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ericblair  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:22:22am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:23:30am

re: #265 ericblair

LOLOLOL. Donny officially, officially lost Georgia.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:25:27am

re: #258 Dr Lizardo

I really gotta wonder if she’s aware just how utterly deranged she sounds.

She apparently set up a fundraising scheme for “protecting democracy” or some shit.

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Teukka  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:27:40am

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lizardofid  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:28:26am

re: #263 dangerman

this is not ‘everyone is entitled to a defense’ territory

I understand your unease. But doesn’t it make a difference that trump brought the suit, and has not been charged with anything?

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:29:00am

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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:29:31am

re: #266 Dr. Matt

LOLOLOL. Donny officially, officially lost Georgia.

Rocky the Flying Squirrell voice: AGAIN????

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stpaulbear  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:30:13am

re: #149 makeitstop

The Beatles - post-assassination malaise

The Monkees - The Beatlemaniacs that were too young to ‘get’ Rubber Soul.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:31:18am

re: #223 lawhawk

You can’t treat a covid19 patient with a neonatal intensive care bed. Different staff entirely.

Not to be snarky, but stuffing an adult in a NICU bed isn’t going to happen, either..

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:31:21am

re: #267 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

She apparently set up a fundraising scheme for “protecting democracy” or some shit.

JFC, the it’s turtles grifters all the way down.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:32:24am
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jamesfirecat  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:32:27am

re: #263 dangerman

this is not ‘everyone is entitled to a defense’ territory

I read it more as “not everyone is entitled to an offense” territory myself.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:34:26am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:34:40am

re: #268 Teukka

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:34:46am

re: #275 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Are we at the point yet where he takes command of his own defense? ‘Cuz that would just be icing on the cake right now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:35:31am

re: #268 Teukka

I simply tried to explain that I was taking photos for the AZ Republic and wouldn’t take photos of their kids if they didn’t want. They kept yelling. Told me to walk away, which is what I ended up doing as they continued to accuse me of being a child predator and fake news.

I recall the Arizona Republic being incredibly conservative when I lived there.

But did they make the mistake of calling AZ for Biden?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:37:11am

re: #278 Eclectic Cyborg

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:38:25am

re: #272 stpaulbear

The Monkees - The Beatlemaniacs that were too young to ‘get’ Rubber Soul.

Rubber Soul was my older sister’s last Beatle Album, she was full into Beatlemania but stopped liking them when they went long-haired and psychedelic.

I pretty much lost track of them at that point (I was six or seven) and did not pick up on them again until they had already broken up, then I discovered Revolver and Sergeant Pepper and my young teen mind was blown…

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:38:35am

One hell of an epic thread:

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:38:37am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall the Arizona Republic being incredibly conservative when I lived there.

But did they make the mistake of calling AZ for Boden?

Even if they didn’t, it seems as though Trump-humpers are dissatisfied with anyone who isn’t running daily front-page articles about Trump’s legal fight to win his rightful place as God-Emperor of America.

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Teukka  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:40:30am

re: #278 Eclectic Cyborg

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re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall the Arizona Republic being incredibly conservative when I lived there.

But did they make the mistake of calling AZ for Boden?

The thing is, the people who are victims of child molesters are the ones which will get hurt by people who disconnect their brains when they hear the “P” word. Not to mention those who get accused without cause…

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:47:07am

re: #277 The Pie Overlord!

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:51:29am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:51:34am

Lre: #283 (((Archangel1)))

One hell of an epic thread:

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I literally got goosebumps reading that earlier. DHS Secretary designatee Mayorkas is a Cuban political refugee too. Haven’t read too much on him but he was heavily involved with implementing DACA.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:53:55am

re: #276 jamesfirecat

I read it more as “not everyone is entitled to an offense” territory myself.

yes, in the circumstances, that’s better

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:54:18am

re: #227 thedopefishlives

Wait, wait, wait. When did Sidney Powell stop representing Trump?

yesterday, DJT ‘fired’ her.

If you go off Twitter for an hour you miss stuff.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:54:19am

I’m so disappointed already in Biden’s proposed cabinet. Not one single person shares his last name.

////

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retired cynic  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:55:10am

The Republican Party has split in two. Let’s keep it that way. Jennifer Rubin, WaPo

We, in effect, have three parties now: The Democratic Party, the Anti-Democracy Trump Party and the Pro-Democracy Republican Party. Once the Anti-Democracy Trump Party is marginalized, we might have functional government again. The Democratic Party and the Pro-Democracy Republican Party should put their heads together and devise a strategy to bring that about — quickly, and certainly before 2024.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:56:15am

re: #290 Sir John Barron

yesterday, DJT ‘fired’ her.

If you go off Twitter for an hour you miss stuff.

Jesus H. Christ. I missed a ton over this weekend. Saw the Pfizer vaccine was submitted for EUA on Friday. Saw this. What the hell, world, don’t you know I’m traveling? Don’t you know who I am?!////

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:56:16am

re: #291 Dr. Matt

I’m so disappointed already in Biden’s proposed cabinet. Not one single person shares his last name.

////

Not one of them is a massive Democratic donor either. Shame. All jokes aside. Looks like a good team so far. Can’t wait to hear more especially about the domestic policy cabinet picks.

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:56:46am

re: #292 retired cynic

The Republican Party has split in two. Let’s keep it that way. Jennifer Rubin, WaPo

The Pro-Democracy Republican Party is probably small enough to drown in a bathtub at this point.

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retired cynic  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:57:11am

Steven Mnuchin swears he’s not tanking the economy just to f—k over Joe Biden, by Bess Levin, Vanity Fair

On Thursday, Steven Mnuchin said that he doesn’t plan to extend a number of key emergency lending programs beyond the end of the year, asking the Federal Reserve to return the money supporting them to the Treasury. While the programs expire at the end of 2020, investors had expected them to continue without interruption, given that COVID-19 is spiraling out of control and continues to pose major economic risks. As The New York Times reports, “the pandemic-era programs…have provided an important backstop that has calmed critical markets since the coronavirus took hold in March,” and “removing them could leave significant corners of the financial world vulnerable to the type of volatility that cascaded through the system as virus fears mounted in the spring.” And while any Joe Biden-appointed Treasury secretary would likely restart them immediately, Mnuchin’s move would significantly delay doing so. In a rare critical statement, the Federal Reserve said it “would prefer that the full suite of emergency facilities established during the coronavirus pandemic continue to serve their important role as a backstop for our still-strained and vulnerable economy,” which is Fed-speak for “Bitch, the fuck is wrong with you? The economy is hanging on by a thread here!

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:57:31am

re: #295 makeitstop

The Pro-Democracy Republican Party is probably small enough to drown in a bathtub at this point.

Give them some credit: It would take William Howard Taft’s bathtub.///

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 9:58:36am

re: #282 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Rubber Soul was my older sister’s last Beatle Album, she was full into Beatlemania but stopped liking them when they went long-haired and psychedelic.

I pretty much lost track of them at that point (I was six or seven) and did not pick up on them again until they had already broken up, then I discovered Revolver and Sergeant Pepper and my young teen mind was blown…

coincidentally, i’m playing All Things Must Pass right now.
didnt harrison used to be in a band with a similar name?

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retired cynic  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:00:17am

I really enjoyed this: President Barack Obama Talks to Jesmyn Ward About A Promised Land, by Jesmyn Ward, Vanity Fair

JW: I want to ask you about humor because it was such a surprise for me—but I don’t want to disparage your other work! …

BO: First of all, Michelle is funnier than me. I have to say that, because she insists that she is. She’s naturally just a great storyteller. There’s a rule in our household that she can tease me but I cannot tease her. I pointed out that’s not fair, and she says, “Yeah. So what?” I am often the brunt of her humor, and the girls have picked up on that. So at the dinner table, generally, I am the recipient of mockery and jokes.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:00:33am

re: #291 Dr. Matt

I’m so disappointed already in Biden’s proposed cabinet. Not one single person shares his last name.

////

no one from big oil or big pharma or big banking / wall street yet.
but it’s early yet

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stpaulbear  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:01:20am

re: #282 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Rubber Soul was my older sister’s last Beatle Album, she was full into Beatlemania but stopped liking them when they went long-haired and psychedelic.

I pretty much lost track of them at that point (I was six or seven) and did not pick up on them again until they had already broken up, then I discovered Revolver and Sergeant Pepper and my young teen mind was blown…

I was still buying a lot of Beatles 45s but not the albums. “Run For Your Life” on Rubber Soul put me off when Lennon sang that he’d rather see his ‘little girl’ dead. I got back on bigly when Sgt. Pepper came out, but never bought a copy of the white album until the 80’s. Bought Abbey Road right away. Loved it then, still love it now.

I did go see The Monkees live in 1967. Barely heard them through the endless screaming.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:02:05am

re: #295 makeitstop

Exactly. How many “pro-democracy” Republicans actually exist? How many of them have any influence or power? Are they controlling the Republican Party?

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jamesfirecat  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:03:05am

re: #302 Patricia Kayden

Exactly. How many “pro-democracy” Republicans actually exist? How many of them have any influence or power? Are they controlling the Republican Party?

Not nearly enough, none, no.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:04:11am

re: #295 makeitstop

The Pro-Democracy Republican Party is probably small enough to drown in a bathtub at this point.

our idea of democracy isn’t theirs anyway

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:04:30am

Looking forward to the wingnut splodey heads when Obama eventually does the White House photo op with Joe.

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:05:32am

re: #302 Patricia Kayden

Exactly. How many “pro-democracy” Republicans actually exist?

I could count them on one hand and have fingers left over.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:07:59am

re: #306 makeitstop

I could count them on one hand and have fingers left over.

I’ve seen pro democracy Republicans before but I can’t be at graveyards and cemeteries too long.

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:09:56am

Mitch must be on the verge of an aneurysm right now. Good.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:11:16am

re: #308 makeitstop

Mitch must be on the verge of an aneurysm right now. Good.

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Oh please oh please oh please oh pleeeeeeeeeeeease

If we can pull off a miracle here, all of a sudden life is looking very bright indeed.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:12:50am
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CleverToad  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:12:54am

re: #158 The Pie Overlord!

Whoa.
Thank you for linking that. Important thing to know about our next SoS.

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sagehen  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:14:24am

re: #301 stpaulbear

I did go see The Monkees live in 1967. Barely heard them through the endless screaming.

was that the tour that Jimi Hendrix was the opening act?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:14:30am

re: #308 makeitstop

Mitch must be on the verge of an aneurysm right now. Good.

[Embedded content]

Please proceed. Senate Majority Schumer would totally trigger me.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:14:31am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He will pass the Taco Truck on Every Corner Decree, at which point White America will replace all intersections with roundabouts…

Which will give us eight corners instead of four.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:18:00am
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thedopefishlives  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:19:03am

re: #315 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Mazel tov, shitheads.

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sagehen  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:19:05am

re: #307 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’ve seen pro democracy Republicans before but I can’t be at graveyards and cemeteries too long.

I’m old enough to remember when Republicans did EPA, OSHA, Title IX, Title X…

I really miss that party…

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Jay C  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:19:14am

re: #294 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Not one of them is a massive Democratic donor either. Shame. All jokes aside. Looks like a good team so far. Can’t wait to hear more especially about the domestic policy cabinet picks.

I saw the list of Biden’s FP noms today, and realized I had no idea who any of them were. I wasn’t sure whether that was a good or a bad thing; but eventually decided - after some research - on “good” as it likely means these are career professionals who will take their jobs (and foreign policy in general) seriously; and not just be propagandist megaphones for a xenophobic Administration.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:20:39am

re: #310 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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this is not fair to emily
what if she has a ‘sincere belief’ or something… //

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:20:46am

re: #312 sagehen

was that the tour that Jimi Hendrix was the opening act?

After Hendrix got fired, he was replaced by a band from Philly called The Nazz - which is where LGF favorite Todd Rundgren came from.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:21:29am

re: #295 makeitstop

The Pro-Democracy Republican Party is probably small enough to drown in a bathtub at this point.

Possibly, but they might deliver a few seats.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:22:17am

re: #308 makeitstop

Mitch must be on the verge of an aneurysm right now. Good.

[Embedded content]

Fuck him.

He built this bed of shit.

He can lie in it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:23:44am

re: #317 sagehen

I’m old enough to remember when Republicans did EPA, OSHA, Title IX, Title X…

I really miss that party…

It’s sad honestly. To me, the turning point is Goldwater getting the nom in ‘64. Nixon did the aforementioned later but he also did the Southern Strategy too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:24:50am

re: #318 Jay C

I saw the list of Biden’s FP noms today, and realized I had no idea who any of them were. I wasn’t sure whether that was a good or a bad thing; but eventually decided - after some research - on “good” as it likely means these are career professionals who will take their jobs (and foreign policy in general) seriously; and not just be propagandist megaphones for a xenophobic Administration.

I’m honestly a FP nerd. International Relations was one of my favorite courses in college. I feel a good FP makes for a good domestic policy.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:25:34am

re: #322 Eclectic Cyborg

Fuck him.

He built this bed of shit.

He can lie in it.

If we could only get one of his grandchildren to tell him they’re marrying one of the Obamas’ daughters.

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stpaulbear  Nov 23, 2020 • 10:49:39am

re: #312 sagehen

was that the tour that Jimi Hendrix was the opening act?

He probably was for a few dates but he was long gone by the time they’d reached St. Paul. I have no recollection of who the opening act was.


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