Yo-Yo Ma’s #SongsOfComfort: Saint-Saëns, “The Swan”

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The Swan, Saint-Saëns #songsofcomfort
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This video was originally released on March 19, 2020, as part of Yo-Yo Ma’s #SongsOfComfort project, which was launched at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic to provide comfort in a time of anxiety and fear. The project inspired thousands of people around the world to upload their own songs of comfort in the months that followed.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:10:15am

Thank you Charles. That was beautiful. Yo-Yo Ma at his best. :)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:15:30am

Meanwhile in Canada.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:16:43am

re: #2 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Someone took “amber waves of grain” seriously.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:18:46am

A Castle episode come to life.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:19:27am

re: #3 PhillyPretzel

Someone took “amber waves of grain” seriously.

It’s kinda adorable, eh? 😂😂😂

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:19:33am
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Belafon  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:20:10am
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mmmirele  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:20:52am

QL’ed again!

The people at Evident Life Church are seriously hostile. I had one woman tell me, as she was driving out, “Nobody cares, bitch.” Pastor Jose said I was “hateful” several times. I told him I was amused. I also told him that their hostility was worse than Scientology’s. Thinking about it, maybe they’re *tied*. But seriously, the hostility was bad. Other churches have sent people out to talk to me nicely, offer me water, etc.

That said, I did have a nice chat with a guy wearing an El Salvador jacket and a mask (unlike many of the other attendees). This was his first time at the church. He agreed with my revised sign and I warned him that the congregation is all in on Trump conspiracy theories. I pointed him to the church’s YouTube channel so that he wouldn’t think I was talking nonsense. So that was my one good deed of the day.

(The other side said “Pastor Eric Jones: The Constitution TRUMPS your False Prophets!” but you’ve seen that before.)

Next week I’ll make a point of having one sign in español. My Spanish is lousy but it’s good enough to come up with a pithy sentence about how their pastor is a false prophet. Apparently the people think Eric Jones is a prophet of some sort. So yeah, I’m going to amp it up just a tad.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:21:28am

So border patrol settles a lawsuit filed when a CBP agent interrogated two women for speaking Spanish in a store in a small town in Montana. So speaking Spanish is akin to DWB — an activity that requires law enforcement intervention.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:21:39am

Now this here is a capsule hotel in Tokyo I’d totally stay at.

Tokyo’s Most Beautiful Capsule Hotel

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:23:54am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:26:36am

re: #220 The Pie Overlord!

Dr. David B. Samadi, the Medicare fraudster urologist, that guy? (By the way, he is Jewish.)

He sounds like he could run for Governor of Florida.

In November 2019, Lenox Hill agreed to pay $12.3 million to settle a Medicare fraud lawsuit brought because Samadi performed multiple surgeries at the same time, leaving patients unsupervised by a urologist when he left one operating room for another; billing for unnecessary procedures; and inadequately supervised residents. The suit was the result of an investigation by the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Geoffrey Berman, who characterized the approach as “assembly line medicine” in violation of Medicare and hospital regulations.

Since he’s a fruadster, that means he a perfect fit for a religious hospital. He’s now the director of men’s health at St. Francis Hospital in Roslyn, NY.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:28:39am

re: #8 mmmirele

Apparently the people think Eric Jones is a prophet of some sort.

I don’t know what it is with American Christians and fetishizing people in leadership positions, but what I can tell you is that at the last church I attended where the pastor was grooming a cult of personality around him, he turned out to be misappropriating church funds. Grifters gotta grift.

(Spoiler alert: When presented with evidence of the financial malfeasance, the board promptly voted to retain him as pastor and to expel my family, the whistleblowers, from the church.)

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KGxvi  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:29:15am

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

So border patrol settles a lawsuit filed when a CBP agent interrogated two women for speaking Spanish in a store in a small town in Montana. So speaking Spanish is akin to DWB — an activity that requires law enforcement intervention.

Right wing grievance politics seems to be little more than “people are living their lives not exactly like I am or how I expect them to live their lives.”

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:31:35am
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Teukka  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:31:42am

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

Now this here is a capsule hotel in Tokyo I’d totally stay at.

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Speaking of which, that’s one thing I sometimes consider, not as much capsule but pod living, like how to cram your main living space into a 10 x 10 x 10 ft (max) room, with compact storage solutions etc.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:35:24am

re: #16 Teukka

Speaking of which, that’s one thing I sometimes consider, not as much capsule but pod living, like how to cram your main living space into a 10 x 10 x 10 ft (max) room, with compact storage solutions etc.

It’d be interesting. My apartment is about 38 m2 (409 sq ft) and it’s plenty big enough for me.

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KGxvi  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:36:11am

re: #16 Teukka

Speaking of which, that’s one thing I sometimes consider, not as much capsule but pod living, like how to cram your main living space into a 10 x 10 x 10 ft (max) room, with compact storage solutions etc.

I don’t know if they’re still airing them, but hgtv or one of those cable channels used to have a show about building tiny houses. I could never live in one, but it was fascinating especially when it came to storage and creative use of space. A lot of times, the key element seemed to be having outdoor living space

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Teukka  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:36:34am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

It’d be interesting. My apartment is about 38 m2 (409 sq ft) and it’s plenty big enough for me.

Mine is 33 m2, and it doesn’t feel cramped.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:36:43am

re: #4 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

A Castle episode come to life.

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I don’t care how old it is. Not spending $1000.00 bucks on a bottle of whiskey. The $130.00 I spent on a bottle of 15 YO Macallan was almost a bridge to far. (Though it WAS good).

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:37:36am

Domestic terrorists gather to incite each other:

“…As Trump’s political and legal options for hanging onto the presidency evaporate, the Raleigh event and other rallies at state capitols are helping to maintain the tenuous alliance of violent nationalists, Christian-right extremists and conspiracy-mongers that are intent on preventing a left turn as Biden takes office. At the moment, much of that energy is focused on a planned pro-Trump rally on Dec. 12, two days before Biden’s election is made official as states cast their electoral votes. The Proud Boys have promoted the event through their Telegram account, and the gathering is expected to be a reprise of the chaotic Millions for MAGA march on Nov. 14, which Proud Boys and other far-right groups treated as a moment of triumph.”

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:38:04am

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KGxvi  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:39:21am

re: #20 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

I don’t care how old it is. Not spending $1000.00 bucks on a bottle of whiskey. The $130.00 I spent on a bottle of 15 YO Macallan was almost a bridge to far. (Though it WAS good).

I don’t get the people who buy booze as part of a collection. Like “this wine was made by Ben Franklin” ok, but do we get to drink it?

Then again, I’m the sort who if I won the lottery would buy one of those obscenely expensive bottles of booze to drink it and then say I literally pissed away a few thousand dollars

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:40:27am

re: #23 KGxvi

I don’t get the people who buy booze as part of a collection. Like “this wine was made by Ben Franklin” ok, but do we get to drink it?

Then again, I’m the sort who if I won the lottery would buy one of those obscenely expensive bottles of booze to drink it and then say I literally pissed away a few thousand dollars

Yeah, me too. I’m sorry, but if there’s booze in my house, it’s because at some point in the near future I plan to get plastered. It’s not there for prestige or for looking at, it’s there for consumption and enjoyment (and, depending on the circumstances, maybe a fair amount of forgetting).

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:40:43am

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

Now this here is a capsule hotel in Tokyo I’d totally stay at.

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Video

No thank you. To much like enlisted berthing on board a sub.

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Teukka  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:42:21am

re: #18 KGxvi

I don’t know if they’re still airing them, but hgtv or one of those cable channels used to have a show about building tiny houses. I could never live in one, but it was fascinating especially when it came to storage and creative use of space. A lot of times, the key element seemed to be having outdoor living space

The conclusion I’ve reached is to look at solutions made for boats (especially submarines) and campers and adapt them (if necessary), thinking in 3 dimensions, and remembering that the pod is for sleeping and basal workspace, then have shared spaces for anything outside that.

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mmmirele  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:42:56am

re: #13 thedopefishlives

I don’t know what it is with American Christians and fetishizing people in leadership positions, but what I can tell you is that at the last church I attended where the pastor was grooming a cult of personality around him, he turned out to be misappropriating church funds. Grifters gotta grift.

(Spoiler alert: When presented with evidence of the financial malfeasance, the board promptly voted to retain him as pastor and to expel my family, the whistleblowers, from the church.)

I am completely unsurprised. As I mentioned yesterday or the day before, churches have this really bad habit of rallying behind the perpetrators of child sexual abuse and treating the abused and their families like garbage. It’s all about money and power. (Did I mention that Eric Jones lives in a $575K house?)

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:50:42am

re: #25 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

No thank you. To much like enlisted berthing on board a sub.

The nice thing about tanks was after a day of driving you could park in a woodline, spin the turret so the gun is over the back deck with a tarp tented over it. Unroll your fart sack on the back deck, the armor holding warmth from the V12 turbo diesel running all day, and you’re set and quite cozy. I just wish the US had a hot water kettle like the British but there were places to stash the rations so they’d be warmed by the engine heat too.

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Teukka  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:51:33am

This is your Sunday afternoon/evening PSA:


Comic relief:
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:53:12am

The 305th Military Intelligence “Battalion” is an Intitial Entry Training (IET) unit (basic training) based at Ft. Huachuca

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:53:37am

re: #25 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

No thank you. To much like enlisted berthing on board a sub.

Or that on an aircraft carrier. No thanks.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:53:45am

re: #29 Teukka

Brought to you by AO Double hockey sticks.

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KGxvi  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:54:35am

re: #24 thedopefishlives

Yeah, me too. I’m sorry, but if there’s booze in my house, it’s because at some point in the near future I plan to get plastered. It’s not there for prestige or for looking at, it’s there for consumption and enjoyment (and, depending on the circumstances, maybe a fair amount of forgetting).

I’ve never been a drink to get drunk person. Too many confirmed alcoholics in my family. But I often kept a mini bar of some of the good stuff (including a bottle of cuban rum) in case I wanted a nice drink at some point. But I never had something just to have it as a piece of furniture/conversation piece

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:55:16am

re: #30 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

The 305th Military Intelligence “Battalion” is an Intitial Entry Training (IET) unit (basic training) based at Ft. Huachuca

WTF??? I took my Intel Analyst course there. Good grief.

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DesertDenizen  Nov 29, 2020 • 10:58:31am

re: #34 William Lewis

WTF??? I took my Intel Analyst course there. Good grief.

I live next door, and my best friend is XO of one of the other battalions there.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:00:13am

Time to call it a day - up early for work tomorrow. Have a good one, Lizards and stay healthy.

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:00:54am

re: #35 DesertDenizen

I live next door, and my best friend is XO of one of the other battalions there.

Totally aside, every year as Winter sets in up here I think of Bisbee quite a bit… :D I could almost be a snowbird.

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DesertDenizen  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:01:59am

re: #37 William Lewis

Totally aside, every year as Winter sets in up here I think of Bisbee quite a bit… :D I could almost be a snowbird.

I’ve lived in Bisbee for the last 15 years. It’s changed a lot in that time.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:02:03am

re: #35 DesertDenizen

I live next door, and my best friend is XO of one of the other battalions there.

Well, make sure to congratulate them for their successful operation to secure proof that Hugo Chavez, though dead, successfully hacked the US elections

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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:07:15am

re: #34 William Lewis

WTF??? I took my Intel Analyst course there. Good grief.

That’s what the Deep State wants you to think.
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sagehen  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:13:18am

re: #23 KGxvi

I don’t get the people who buy booze as part of a collection. Like “this wine was made by Ben Franklin” ok, but do we get to drink it?

Then again, I’m the sort who if I won the lottery would buy one of those obscenely expensive bottles of booze to drink it and then say I literally pissed away a few thousand dollars

My chrome and rhinestones jewelry is just as pretty as the platinum and diamond pieces they’re copies of; I don’t have to insure it, and I don’t freak out when I lose something.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:13:36am

Man behind Omaha, Lincoln anti-mask groups says citizens’ rights ‘shouldn’t be tread on’ (Omaha World-Herald)

You’re right, asshole. You don’t have the right to make other people sick.

It’s not that Kelly Jensen doesn’t believe COVID-19 is real — he does.

In fact, the 47-year-old thinks he contracted the virus in October and recovered after experiencing mild symptoms.

But Jensen just doesn’t believe masks work to stop the virus’s spread. He also says that mask mandates infringe on personal freedoms.

That’s why Jensen decided to form No Mask Omaha and No Mask Lincoln, groups that were started in August and have grown to a combined 11,000 members.

About 35 people from multiple anti-mask groups participated in a demonstration near the Hy-Vee near 180th and Q Streets on Nov. 14. The protest, originally planned as a “small (maskless) group shopping trip,” was relocated to a nearby parking lot after the grocery store chain said it would work with Omaha police to block the protest from taking place at the store.

Jensen said he didn’t participate in the demonstration.

(more)

Of course he didn’t, he doesn’t want to get arrested, he just wants to fleece people on Faceborg. He also doesn’t care about the rights of the owners of the store. Their rights don’t matter to a conservative, because they aren’t his rights.

Facebook by the way has been made aware of the two groups promoting breaking the law in Omaha and Lincoln, but Fascistbook won’t kick them off (despite their “rules”) citing “free speech.”

By the way, #DeleteFacebook

By staying on Facebook, you are directly contributing to killing people in my state.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:17:26am

re: #42 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Man behind Omaha, Lincoln anti-mask groups says citizens’ rights ‘shouldn’t be tread on’ (Omaha World-Herald)

You’re right, asshole. You don’t have the right to make other people sick.

(more)

Of course he didn’t, he doesn’t want to get arrested, he just wants to fleece people on Faceborg. He also doesn’t care about the rights of the owners of the store. Their rights don’t matter to a conservative, because they aren’t his rights.

Facebook by the way has been made aware of the two groups promoting breaking the law in Omaha and Lincoln, but Fascistbook won’t kick them off (despite their “rules”) citing “free speech.

By the way, #DeleteFacebook

By staying on Facebook, you are directly contributing to killing people in my state.

I got rid of Facebook months ago, when my mom was spewing Ron Paul conspiracies about the coronavirus. She’s lucky she’s not dead yet, with her medical history (even more so for my dad) and the fact that my sister has been visiting them regularly and is similarly indisposed to believe in science.

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sagehen  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:21:47am

re: #33 KGxvi

I’ve never been a drink to get drunk person. Too many confirmed alcoholics in my family. But I often kept a mini bar of some of the good stuff (including a bottle of cuban rum) in case I wanted a nice drink at some point. But I never had something just to have it as a piece of furniture/conversation piece

a couple of booze recipes

1) the Maximilian:

a shot of top-shelf tequila, splash of Grand Marnier, dash of Rose’s Lime. Chilled and strained. Smooth and sippable.

2) Tootsie Roll:

equal parts dark creme de cacao and orange juice. Tastes like its name.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:21:52am

re: #11 Sherlock Hound

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That thread is very good. Very sad but important.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:23:16am

re: #43 thedopefishlives

I got rid of Facebook months ago, when my mom was spewing Ron Paul conspiracies about the coronavirus. She’s lucky she’s not dead yet, with her medical history (even more so for my dad) and the fact that my sister has been visiting them regularly and is similarly indisposed to believe in science.

It’s hard, but as I argued when this started back in February, you must cut conservatives out of your life to preserve your own, even if they are family members.

It was easy for me since the religious people in my family already cut me out so I have no family other than my wife and mother.

You cannot save people from themselves, but you can save yourself.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:25:18am

re: #42 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I can’t get rid of Facebook because I use it for communication with my son. He’s autistic and face to face conversations are very hard sometimes. So we use it for talking about difficult topics like depression, anxiety, how isolation makes it worse, why following the medical and science about the pandemic is so important etc. I am friends with a few of his friends too, mostly as a friend and mentor. I got them all registered to vote and all but one voted. I don’t post a lot anymore but I do use it for that purpose and will do that til it becomes obsolete to my kid and his friends. It’s a tool for good too, or can be in the right hands.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:26:12am

re: #35 DesertDenizen

I live next door, and my best friend is XO of one of the other battalions there.

Did a bunch of TDY there, always trying to get to The Mesquite Tree. Nice post.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:26:33am
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BigPapa  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:26:37am

So my Fast COVID PCR test was negative. Awaiting the better test results. I never get sick, so how did I during COVID? FFS. At least it’s just a head cold. Trying to be a cough and sore throat too.

The only reasonable response is turkey soup with dumplings. The bones got a good roast on the cast iron.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:27:18am

re: #46 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

It’s hard, but as I argued when this started back in February, you must cut conservatives out of your life to preserve your own, even if they are family members.

It was easy for me since the religious people in my family already cut me out so I have no family other than my wife and mother.

You cannot save people from themselves, but you can save yourself.

For me, it’s more about the mental aspect. I love my family, I always will, even though they’re being stupid at the moment. But I don’t have to spend time on social media listening to them being stupid. I can just kinda pretend nothing’s happening until the next phone call, when my dad complains about the governor not opening things up as fast as he wants.

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BigPapa  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:28:05am

#MassiveDumps is trending. It’s going to be a great day.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:28:08am

re: #20 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

I don’t care how old it is. Not spending $1000.00 bucks on a bottle of whiskey. The $130.00 I spent on a bottle of 15 YO Macallan was almost a bridge to far. (Though it WAS good).

Pretty sure you’re buying it for the “oooooh” factor and not for the good booze factor.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:28:14am

re: #49 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

DT will lose that one too. lol

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Jay C  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:31:02am

re: #53 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Pretty sure you’re buying it for the “oooooh” factor and not for the good booze factor.

Yeah, like the old canard: it’s “trading” whisky, not “drinking” whisky….

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:31:21am

re: #53 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Pretty sure you’re buying it for the “oooooh” factor and not for the good booze factor.

When we left Italy my neighbor gave me a bottle of 12 yr old grappa. Still have half of it, but it’s 42 yr old grappa now.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:32:18am

re: #47 A Mom Anon

I can’t say about your son in particular, though there are other methods of communication besides Fascistbook.

I can say that company is directly contributing to the homicide of people in my state (and other states) in the name of profit. That is indisputable.

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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:36:00am

re: #56 Decatur Deb

When we left Italy my neighbor gave me a bottle of 12 yr old grappa. Still have half of it, but it’s 42 yr old grappa now.

I have always wondered: what does grappa taste like?

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DesertDenizen  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:36:25am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

Did a bunch of TDY there, always trying to get to The Mesquite Tree. Nice post.

Sad to say that The Mesquite Tree closed a few years back. Owners retired. It was sad to see it go.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:39:01am

re: #58 retired cynic

I have always wondered: what does grappa taste like?

Moonshine. (Really—you feel it more than taste it.)

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:40:43am

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

There are lots of other options, I agree. But try getting a 20 something autistic person to use them. Or in my son’s case, about a dozen 20 something guys in addition to him. Facebook is not good for humanity overall. We see that. But if you are careful and picky you can avoid most of the awful. My son can’t have direct conversations about tough topics face to face unless we’re engaged in something else. Or through something else. His friends also have this issue, the ones on the spectrum. Facebook is also where my son told the world he is autistic and he received a ton of support and understanding. He’s learning to put social media into perspective, but it’s still important to him and his autistic friends.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:41:07am
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:41:25am

re: #60 Decatur Deb

‘shine. Interesting. I will remember that. :) Is it still politically correct to call it White Lightning?

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:43:07am

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I can’t say about your son in particular, though there are other methods of communication besides Fascistbook.

I can say that company is directly contributing to the homicide of people in my state (and other states) in the name of profit. That is indisputable.

If you step back and look at it a certain way, so is the power company. And all the major telecommunications companies.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:45:31am

The responses to this are all a hoot.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:46:00am

re: #63 PhillyPretzel

‘shine. Interesting. I will remember that. :) Is it still politically correct to call it White Lightning?

Always took that to mean “clear”, never associated it with the Caucasian Persuasion.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:46:55am

re: #53 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Pretty sure you’re buying it for the “oooooh” factor and not for the good booze factor.

Yep. The look at what I can waste my money on attitude. No thanks. I’ll stick to my Crown & maybe splurge on the Black once in awhile. The Macallan was an impulse buy. I had the $$$ and the interest in trying a single malt whiskey. While it was good it isn’t something I’ll ever be interested in trying again.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:46:57am

re: #66 Decatur Deb

okay. Moonshine it is. :)

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:48:05am

re: #68 PhillyPretzel

okay. Moonshine it is. :)

You can get it legally around here, in a Mason jar with a tax stamp.

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:48:45am

re: #44 sagehen

a couple of booze recipes

1) the Maximilian:

a shot of top-shelf tequila, splash of Grand Marnier, dash of Rose’s Lime. Chilled and strained. Smooth and sippable.

2) Tootsie Roll:

equal parts dark creme de cacao and orange juice. Tastes like its name.

For myself the only one I need to remember is this one:
the Manhattan:

2 ounces rye (or for heathens, bourbon can be used. Bleah)
1 ounce sweet vermouth
2 dashes Angostura bitters
1 dash orange bitters
Garnish: brandied cherry

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:48:56am

re: #69 Decatur Deb

You can get it legally around here, in a Mason jar with a tax stamp.

There are distilled spirits up here they call “moonshine” or “white liquor”. I don’t know what their relation to actual moonshine is.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:49:54am

re: #69 Decatur Deb

I am in Philly and right now travel out of state is not recommended.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:53:23am

re: #71 thedopefishlives

There are distilled spirits up here they call “moonshine” or “white liquor”. I don’t know what their relation to actual moonshine is.

Probably from real moonshiners who got big enough to jump through the Fed hoops. Wife’s grandfather in Christian Co, KY was an artisanal distiller, used enough of his own supply to kill him.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:54:45am

re: #25 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

No thank you. To much like enlisted berthing on board a sub.

Wow, I guess they don’t make subs like they used to. I’ve toured the Pampanito in San Francisco, and the Captain’s cabin/office was smaller than one of those standard rooms.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:55:07am
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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2020 • 11:59:34am

re: #60 Decatur Deb

Moonshine. (Really—you feel it more than taste it.)

I’m not sure that’s fair to the ‘shine. Of course, if you really want something that makes both Grappa and corn moonshine look good, find a home distilled Slivovitz. I knew an old Yugoslav gent who came to Germany after ‘45 and ran a gasthaus and made his own. I think it was his revenge against the US for winning the war… O_o

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BigPapa  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:02:48pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Utter bullshit. AM radio intellectualism.

Notice how it’s a tacit admittance that Trump is horrible, but we somehow deserve him because (liberals suck).

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:03:08pm

re: #74 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

Wow, I guess they don’t make subs like they used to. I’ve toured the Pampanito in San Francisco, and the Captain’s cabin/office was smaller than one of those standard rooms.

No they don’t. We have this thing called nuclear power now and are using modern ship building techniques. Not that 1943 ship building was bad but we do so much better now.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:03:24pm

re: #76 William Lewis

I’m not sure that’s fair to the ‘shine. Of course, if you really want something that makes both Grappa and corn moonshine look good, find a home distilled Slivovitz. I knew an old Yugoslav gent who came to Germany after ‘45 and ran a gasthaus and made his own. I think it was his revenge against the US for winning the war… O_o

There’s a passage in Hemingway where his ambulance unit was stuck in the railyard in our town on the Milan-Venice line. The soldiers paid Italian kids through the train windows to run them grappa.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:03:36pm
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:05:08pm

When your own daughter goofs on you that’s a warning sign that you’re going down the Paul Gosar My Family Hates My Guts route!

vanityfair.com

Rudy Giuliani’s daughter, Caroline, has some advice on conceding through self-care.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:05:50pm

re: #78 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

No they don’t. We have this thing called nuclear power now and are using modern ship building techniques. Not that 1943 ship building was bad but we do so much better now.

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Bigger, too. I don’t even want to think about what that sub must have smelled like with 90 people aboard.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:09:28pm

re: #77 BigPapa

Utter bullshit. AM radio intellectualism.

Notice how it’s a tacit admittance that Trump is horrible, but we somehow deserve him because (liberals suck).

I can’t help suspecting that Maureen Dowd actually wrote that herself.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:13:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:20:07pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:24:10pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Probably correct. Do we have an extradition agreement or treaty with them?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:25:32pm

re: #86 PhillyPretzel

Probably correct. Do we have an extradition agreement to treaty with them?

As I suspect you already guessed, no, we do not.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:27:23pm

re: #86 PhillyPretzel

Probably correct. Do we have an extradition agreement or treaty with them?

The question is, do they love DT more than they fear Iran (they buy weapons from us)? Also too, how do we balance that equation?

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:28:07pm

Just a reminder of what the Republicans want to exempt.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:30:21pm

re: #89 Sherlock Hound

They are really pushing their luck.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:37:05pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

They’re going to offer Trump’s discovery of vaccines to establish peace in the Middle East.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:37:09pm

re: #84 Dread Pirate Ron

That’s exactly what we are in for. And if things don’t pan out in Georgia we may have to wait a whole lot longer than 10 weeks for any meaningful relief.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:42:36pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

How does it look in GA?

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:43:20pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:45:53pm

re: #77 BigPapa

Utter bullshit. AM radio intellectualism.

Notice how it’s a tacit admittance that Trump is horrible, but we somehow deserve him because (liberals suck).

It’s narcissist logic: you made me do this, because you made me feel bad. They dress it up a bit with folksy tropes, but that’s the core of it.

But it’s also an unwitting confession of sorts: when they talk about being condescended to and such, they’re showing their epistemological ass. What is truth? What they want to hear—that they’re smart and deserve more and nothing that’s gone wrong is their fault—and the alternative—that things are nuanced, but also the institutions they support are making their lives worse—make them feel humiliated.

They are screaming “fuck your feelings” because all they have is their feelings.

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Jack Burton  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:48:24pm

re: #50 BigPapa

So my Fast COVID PCR test was negative. Awaiting the better test results. I never get sick, so how did I during COVID? FFS. At least it’s just a head cold. Trying to be a cough and sore throat too.

The only reasonable response is turkey soup with dumplings. The bones got a good roast on the cast iron.

From what I’ve read, because I either keep getting colds or have had a lingering something that’s lasted for months, is that the rhinoviruses that cause most colds lack the lipid layer surrounding the virion and because of that they are pretty resilient and resistant to sanitizers. They will survive much of what will easily kill coronaviruses and influenza.

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BeachDem  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:50:20pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

I can’t help suspecting that Maureen Dowd actually wrote that herself.

Or perhaps, as Charles P. Pierce pointed out many years ago, they were all raised in the House of Usher.

esquire.com

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:51:21pm
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:54:19pm

re: #98 Dread Pirate Ron

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Fartass doesn’t realize he’s outlived his usefulness. He was there to do two things and two things only—cut taxes for the rich and pack the courts with assholes from the Federalist Society. Now that the Fascist Federalists have packed the courts Fuckface is being shoved out the door.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 29, 2020 • 12:55:19pm

News article in Dutch: “Bolsonaro keeps his congratulations for Joe Biden in his pocket.”

This has nothing to do with the Brazilian bot swarm today, though.
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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:00:08pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:07:31pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:08:40pm

re: #102 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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“Ma’am, this is an Arby’s.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:09:59pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

(deep breath) (deep breath) (deep breath) (deep breath) (deep breath)

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

The Giants have won three straight, and are now 4-7

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:10:10pm

re: #102 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Scientist? Christian Scientist possibly. I would not put any money on her having any degree in the sciences.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:11:06pm

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:13:10pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:14:13pm

re: #105 PhillyPretzel

Scientist? Christian Scientist possibly. I would not put any money on her having any degree in the sciences.

I’m not sure I could resist the urge to apply a sleeper hold, drag her limp carcass out to the sidewalk, and dump her there

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:14:23pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:15:12pm

re: #105 PhillyPretzel

Scientist? Christian Scientist possibly. I would not put any money on her having any degree in the sciences.

Nah, just a feral conservative. It’s been hours since we’ve seen one.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:16:45pm

re: #105 PhillyPretzel

Scientist? Christian Scientist possibly. I would not put any money on her having any degree in the sciences.

She’s…absolutely nothing. Nothing she says is likely true, even in some kind of Obi Wan Kenobi “from a certain perspective” way.

It’s affective bypass in action: the actual words don’t mean anything, she’s just grabbing at any statement that lets her claim authority to do what she wants, and to feel that any person impeding exactly what she wants is an attacker than deserves harm.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:16:52pm

Republicans have been banging the DEMOCRATS STEAL MILLIONS OF VOTES drum since at least Bill Clinton. It’s an article of faith amongst the wingnut rubes that Democrats have been rigging elections, and hiding the evidence, for an entire generation.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:17:02pm
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KGxvi  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:19:04pm

re: #88 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

The question is, do they love DT more than they fear Iran (they buy weapons from us)? Also too, how do we balance that equation?

I doubt they love Trump. He’s a tool for them to expand their influence in the region. Once he no longer has value (12:01 pm est on January 20, 2021), they’ll let him hang.

Nor do I think they fear Iran. More likely, they see Iran as a competitor for regional power. Throw in some sectarianism and you’ve got a nice recipe for a regional rivalry.

The way we balance the equation is probably some combination of reducing global reliance on fossil fuels, normalizing relations with Iran (including, at some point, a trade deal), and generally promoting diplomatic solutions to problems instead of bombing the shit out of everything

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:20:06pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:21:06pm

Basically any time some weird shit gets pulled by a wingnut, the correct answer is “they are obsessed with power and control, and do not care what is real or what is right.”

There is always less than meets the eye to these people.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:21:06pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Joe you got to be careful.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:22:10pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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He’s clearly unfit to be President, we should just 25th him right now and declare Donald Trump to be the 46th President of the United States./

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:23:08pm

re: #118 thedopefishlives

bit your tongue and take that back. DT has done enough damage.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:23:59pm

re: #119 PhillyPretzel

bit your tongue and take that back. DT has done enough damage.

While I agree, you know damn well some wingnut’s going to say something.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:24:36pm

re: #107 jaunte

Interesting … Trump margin of “defeat” in 4 states occurred in 4 data dumps between 1:34-6:31 AM. Statistical anomaly? Fraud? Look at the evidence and decide for yourself.(That is, if Big Tech allows u to read this)

Trump pretty much knew that he would lead on the evening of Election Day and then see his lead dwindle…just not in four key states.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:25:11pm

re: #120 thedopefishlives

Yes. Some wingnut will say something.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:26:53pm

re: #121 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Data dumps” is a very conspiratorial way to describe “counting.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:27:47pm

re: #121 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump pretty much knew that he would lead on the evening of Election Day and then see his lead dwindle…just not in four key states.

They just know that pushing inane conspiracy theories is what his devoted following of inbred losers wants to hear. They can’t accept that Trump is a loser in more ways than one and by extension them too.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:28:19pm

My team was defeated in the fourth quarter after leading all three of the important quarters. Fraud?

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:29:26pm

You decide, if Big Tech will even allow you to see these keystrokes.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:30:12pm

re: #126 jaunte

Sorry, did you say something? Your post had words, but then they just magically disappeared from my computer screen./

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KGxvi  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:30:16pm

re: #125 jaunte

My team was defeated in the fourth quarter after leading all three of the important quarters. Fraud?

Only if they were playing the chargers

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:30:35pm

It would be nice to have some more serious Senators at work. COME ON GEORGIA.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:31:26pm

I mean it’s not like we didn’t expect this to happen. Hell Trump knows the truth but he knows his base would rather hear pardon the pun trumped up conspiracy theories than the truth. Maybe if they actually left their MAGA bubble where the debate is between whether Trump is a great or greatest President, they’d realize that a lot of us despise their Orange wannabe despot.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:32:52pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:33:03pm

OK, the couch calls

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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:36:50pm

re: #98 Dread Pirate Ron

More basic than that.

Trump thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room and tells his idiot lawyers to sue and insist that this is all a scam and that he won. He doesn’t care about proof, legal standards, or federal rules of evidence or the federal rules of civil procedure.

So, we end up with his and GOP claims shot down on everything from failure to state a cause of action, dismissed with prejudice, and laches. They can’t properly identify a standard of review, and think they can wing basic issues. The Courts are slapping them down silly, and yet he thinks he’s the one who is being failed here.

Trump is a failure. His lawyers are failures for pushing this bulkshit. The GOP are failures for going all in on conspiracies instead of admitting they were defeated fair and square (well, we still overcame historic levels of voter suppression and GOP gerrymandering to defeat Trump, all while the GOP held on to the Senate for now and saw the House D advantage slightly shrink).

The GOP are a bunch of fragile snowflakes who peddle conspiracy theories to explain the world around them because reality is too harsh and complex for them to admit things like facts matter: that covid19 has wrecked the country, that it’s done tremendous harm to the economy, and that their obstruction has prolonged the damage and made it far more severe than it otherwise should be. Trump masking and social distancing would have sent a message to mask up and therefore reduce the spread and keep things in check to avoid the massive prolonged surge we’ve seen taking place since the first wave ebbed ever so slightly in May/June.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:36:52pm
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ckkatz  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:39:43pm

Last thread there was a reference to a Persian language thread on the Fakhrizadeh assassination. The Persian language thread points out that to have been done successfully, the assassination operation was likely a very significant operation. And the operation was done successfully.

Below is a Google translate of it. I put in private because it is a bit long.

Please remember, though, that the source is supposedly the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Who was responsible for the target’s security. And who failed. So there may be organizational ‘cya’ involved.

Thanks to Ms J for posting the original reference!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:42:14pm

Dennis Prager getting dragged on his latest propaganda pearl of wisdom.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:43:22pm

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Dennis Prager getting dragged on his latest propaganda pearl of wisdom.

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Jesus H. Fucking Christ.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:45:57pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Well, that would never happen to Trump, since dogs instinctively hate him.

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sagehen  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:47:10pm

re: #138 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

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Well, that would never happen to Trump, since dogs instinctively hate him.

Major did it on purpose, ‘cause he’s pissed off about the cat.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:49:41pm

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“Let’s talk about your taxes, MISTER Prager. Responsibilities?”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:52:56pm

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Dennis Prager getting dragged on his latest propaganda pearl of wisdom.

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Yeah what did free education for vets after WWII do other than create the modern middle class? Prager can shove his narrow view of society up his ass. He’s a fraudulent dickhead whose university only matches Trump U in bullshit.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:56:13pm

re: #141 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah what did free education for vets after WWII do other than create the modern middle class? Prager can shove his narrow view of society up his ass. He’s a fraudulent dickhead whose university only matches Trump U in bullshit.

People are ungrateful and lack virtue because of upbringing. Rich kids can be raised not to be entitled little assholes. I know, because I am one.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 1:59:44pm

Texas is working on the paranoid convergence that will kill another million.

oregonlive.com

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:00:20pm

re: #143 jaunte

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Texas is working on the paranoid convergence that will kill another million.

oregonlive.com

Oh, dear Lord. And so it begins.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:02:18pm

re: #143 jaunte

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Texas is working on the paranoid convergence that will kill another million.

oregonlive.com

Jesus

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:03:00pm

re: #145 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Trump was cured by killing unborn babby.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:03:04pm

re: #142 thedopefishlives

People are ungrateful and lack virtue because of upbringing. Rich kids can be raised not to be entitled little assholes. I know, because I am one.

Just clarifying here, you’re a rich kid, or you’re an entitled asshole? /s

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:04:07pm

re: #146 jaunte

Trump was cured by killing unborn babby.

Yep and I’m willing to bet has paid for at least one abortion in his life too.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:04:32pm
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steve_davis  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:05:35pm

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

Now this here is a capsule hotel in Tokyo I’d totally stay at.

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why am i hearing other people’s voices? I’d have to give a hearty “shut up!” down the hall!

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:05:52pm

Imagine a company being exempt from liability. Do they even know Mitch McConnell?

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:06:51pm

re: #149 jaunte

Blocking traffic? So they can now be legally mowed down by big trucks with impunity, right?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:06:52pm

re: #143 jaunte

Texas is working on the paranoid convergence that will kill another million.

oregonlive.com

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steve_davis  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:09:01pm

re: #20 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

I don’t care how old it is. Not spending $1000.00 bucks on a bottle of whiskey. The $130.00 I spent on a bottle of 15 YO Macallan was almost a bridge to far. (Though it WAS good).

I recently splurged, after election results, on a 33 dollar bottle of Hess Select Allomi that I found in Walmart. Damned good! Typically, I drink wine from a 4 bottle box. That may actually improve the occasional splurge wines, just because suddenly I’m drinking a wine with some character.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:13:43pm

When I was able to have a glass of wine, the Two Buck Chuck at Trader Joe’s was my go-to probably from all the Boone’s Farm Strawberry Hill I drank when I was at college!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:23:07pm

Dare we hope?

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ckkatz  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:24:07pm

re: #135 ckkatz

Some additional thoughts on the Jared(and previous Pompeo) meetings in Saudi.

1. There is a good likelihood that the Jared meeting in Saudi has to do with Iran. Perhaps regarding what the Trump Administration is planning. The Saudis are geographically going to be stuck in the middle of whatever mess Trump creates in the area. They may be discussing the Saudi price for this.

2. One of the most dangerous military operations is the withdrawal in the face of an enemy. As a military force is withdrawn, it becomes weaker. And it becomes less and less able to defend itself.

a. The Trump Administration is proposing reducing the American military forces in regions that neighbor Iran (Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan) just as it ratchets up tensions.

b. Our allied NATO forces also have people operating in the region. Particularly in Afghanistan.

c. The Iranians have their own forces and allies operating in all three countries.

d. We had been operating in the region with Iranian acquiescence. (As well as Turkish, Israeli, Pakistani, and Saudi acquiescence.) That is likely over now. And Trump has already lost Turkish acquiescence.

3. The Israelis may also have an agenda that they realize needs to be carried out before Trump leaves office.

4. My understanding is that most of Trump’s political appointee National Security advisors have been strongly in favor of attacking Iran. The actual career folks who would have to carry it out in the Intelligence Agencies, DHS, and DoD, far less so.

This could get a lot of Americans, NATO folks, and local allies killed. To say nothing of Iranians. Plus the usual massive numbers of innocent civilians.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:28:50pm

re: #157 ckkatz

Some additional thoughts on the Jared(and previous Pompeo) meetings in Saudi.

1. There is a good likelihood that the Jared meeting in Saudi has to do with Iran. Perhaps regarding what the Trump Administration is planning. The Saudis are geographically going to be stuck in the middle of whatever mess Trump creates in the area. They may be discussing the Saudi price for this.

2. One of the most dangerous military operations is the withdrawal in the face of an enemy. As a military force is withdrawn, it becomes weaker. And it becomes less and less able to defend itself.

a. The Trump Administration is proposing reducing the American military forces in regions that neighbor Iran (Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan) just as it ratchets up tensions.

b. Our allied NATO forces also have people operating in the region. Particularly in Afghanistan.

c. The Iranians have their own forces and allies operating in all three countries.

d. We had been operating in the region with Iranian acquiescence. (As well as Turkish, Israeli, Pakistani, and Saudi acquiescence.) That is likely over now. And Trump has already lost Turkish acquiescence.

3. The Israelis may also have an agenda that they realize needs to be carried out before Trump leaves office.

4. My understanding is that most of Trump’s political appointee National Security advisors have been strongly in favor of attacking Iran. The actual career folks who would have to carry it out in the Intelligence Agencies, DHS, and DoD, far less so.

This could get a lot of Americans, NATO folks, and local allies killed. To say nothing of Iranians. Plus the usual massive numbers of innocent civilians.

Christians want Armageddon.

Trump is going to bring it on as a going away present to his Pulpit Pimp Pals.

However it’s not going to turn out the way they expect when JC pulls a No-Show.

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ckkatz  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:30:23pm

re: #157 ckkatz

Oh yes, one other point I forgot to mention.

Major strife in the Middle East would totally screw up their exports… Like oil.

Hmm… I wonder what country might have major stocks of underutilized oil.

And how need for oil might change current the current geo-political balance.

Edit clarified ‘it’ to ‘oil’

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:31:46pm

re: #156 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Dare we hope?

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I don’t. I think Eric is very smart and his heart is generally in the right place, but he’s kind of in the Louise Mensch sphere in my book. Everything is a BAM, THEY’RE GOING DOWN situation that rarely pans out.

But, when this first was announced I missed that it is a two-parter. So maybe this time there’s a there there.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:38:55pm

Cheyenne, Wyo. National Weather Service

The only Red Flag Warning in the country has gone up for the Nebraska Panhandle, reminding us we really live in a desert with a lot of cattle in it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:39:52pm

re: #160 Barefoot Grin

I don’t. I think Eric is very smart and his heart is generally in the right place, but he’s kind of in the Louise Mensch sphere in my book. Everything is a BAM, THEY’RE GOING DOWN situation that rarely pans out.

But, when this first was announced I missed that it is a two-parter. So maybe this time there’s a there there.

It’s not him tho, read the thread below it.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:43:26pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:44:18pm

re: #95 The Ghost of a Flea

They are screaming “fuck your feelings” because all they have is their feelings.

“Fuck your feelings. Not mine; mine are special.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:45:17pm

A recall effort is underway in Lincoln for the mayor, pushed by a small group of anti-maskers. They object to the city council’s health orders, including masks in an epidemic.

Decline to Sign (explanations of why the recall petition should not be signed)

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:47:11pm

re: #114 KGxvi

I doubt they love Trump. He’s a tool for them to expand their influence in the region. Once he no longer has value (12:01 pm est on January 20, 2021), they’ll let him hang.

Nor do I think they fear Iran. More likely, they see Iran as a competitor for regional power. Throw in some sectarianism and you’ve got a nice recipe for a regional rivalry.

The way we balance the equation is probably some combination of reducing global reliance on fossil fuels, normalizing relations with Iran (including, at some point, a trade deal), and generally promoting diplomatic solutions to problems instead of bombing the shit out of everything

KSA and the UAE are petrostate monarchies that keep themselves in power by generously subsidizing the comfort of their citizens…now looking at a future where their desert lands are going to get less habitable and the value of oil is dwindling. They’re desperate for anything to keep their countries together, and thus their own giant wealth-harvesting operations (and playground for personal abuse of power, and staging ground for ideological pecadillos inflicted on the bodies of others) intact. They always want the same thing: to stay on top.

Donald Trump operates in a mode that the KSA and UAE monarchs understand: a sort of mockery of the majliss system where petitioning the ruler directly is the norm and government institutions are based on social bonds. MBS and MBZ are both savvy enough individuals to also understand the power of branding and theater, and quietly all these individuals believe that part of power is no-rules destruction of one’s opponents; they dig each other’s war criminal instincts. Whether or not they personally like Trump, they understand the mode in which he operates. I suspect they’re similarly comfortable with Netanyahu.

As for what they’re trying to secure: well, the KSA has been very consistent in using the USA to advance it’s own agenda, their operating premise being “Americans are willing to fight communism, but are ultimately decadent and will fail to change the Islamic world” throughout the Cold War. We thought of them as Robin to our Batman; they thought of us as Blaster to their Master. They’ve spent almost a century trying to establish their monarchy as the center and arbiter of right-and-correct Islamic governance…and it’s mostly been a giant fucking disaster that helped spawned modern fundamentalist terrorism because the Saudis were all too happy to crush all liberal forms of Islam and fund most conservative forms…with a deeply cynical, self-serving edge wherein they want a world of Islamic monarchs where they are the kingmakers, and an “Islam” where monarchs don’t have to answer to too many religious authorities*…

*this being what makes them antagonists to most fundamentalists, who want to cast out monarchy in favor of caliphate, aka direct theocracy by mullah with the best credentials.

…so basically their priorities are (1) stay monarchs by keeping their people a minimal level of distracted and happy (the sinecures and foreign slave workers, plus the intense mall culture are all parts of this) ; (2) point fundamentalists away from them (3) use soft power (and proxies like Pakistani mercenaries, and terrorists, and sometimes the USA) to crush all agents within the Islamic world that propose an alternative organizing principle their monarchism. Genuine sectarian revulsion of Shia Iran is a distant (4).

Mind you, MBS is pulling some new shit —that fucking horror in Yemen being a great example of there being a new stylebook in place—but I’d say the tempo is different but the tune remains the same. If anything, he’s a sign of that thing I’m always harping on: the very powerful have solidarity regardless of their ideology.

What they want from Jared comes down to three things:

One, they want shiny weapon systems because they’re leaning hard into the nationalist appeal of having a fancy air force that drops fancy bombs on Yemeni peasants. They’re not going to put down ground troops that aren’t mercenaries, so their entire militarist image hinges on shiny planes. If they can get a nuke, or authorization to build nukes, they’ll do it.

Two, they’re looking to set up yet another “let’s you and him fight” scenario. If they can pull other nations into a conflict with Iran…again, the Saudis and Emiratis don’t really have armies and their air force is shiny but useless at actual war-fighting…they’re going to do it. The US is already droning people in Yemen based on Saudi/Emirates intelligence…which we probably shouldn’t be, these people suck at their jobs and operate in bad faith to boot. I think this informs a lot of their decision to meet with Netanyahu to coordinate on Iran: they see a country that has a big professional military and won’t turn takfiri and try and overturn their monarchy…and that’s enough.

Three…they’re trying to monkey’s-paw “solve” Palestine issues because it’s something that their civilians care about but the higher-ups basically stopped supporting materially. The Gulf elite’s bloody-shirt-waving about Palestinian suffering has been about ruling classes’ sincere antisemitism (the Saudi monarchs being deeply into the Protocols) and cynical power politics than any kind of deep commitment to the umma, and this generation of monarchs is finally willing to come up with a self-serving dumping scheme. Lots of guns, and military ally, and the price is just letting the Palestinians get rolled up—they’ll take it, but they have to frame it as a win for their brand.

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ckkatz  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:49:26pm

re: #158 🌹UOJB!

Christians want Armageddon.

Trump is going to bring it on as a going away present to his Pulpit Pimp Pals.

However it’s not going to turn out the way they expect when JC pulls a No-Show.

I am not familiar with Christian Theology. But doesn’t Revelations note that only 144,000 will be called to Heaven prior to the ‘Tribulation’?

Interesting notes

1. Apocalypse (ἀποκάλυψις, apokálypsis) is a Greek word meaning “revelation”. As in the Biblical book.

2. The song “When The Saints Go Marching In” is a reference to the Apocalypse.

3. There have been a number of forecast and failed Apocalypses throughout American history. The 1844 “Great Disappointment” resulted in the founding of a group whose nucleus eventually become the Seventh Day Adventists. Another group that resulted from it eventually became the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:51:45pm

re: #167 ckkatz

I am not familiar with Christian Theology. But doesn’t Revelations note that only 144,000 will be called to Heaven prior to the ‘Tribulation’?

Most interpretations read it as 144,000 chosen who will survive the Tribulation.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:52:13pm

re: #167 ckkatz

I am not familiar with Christian Theology. But doesn’t Revelations note that only 144,000 will be called to Heaven prior to the ‘Tribulation’?

Interesting notes

1. Apocalypse (ἀποκάλυψις, apokálypsis) is a Greek word meaning “revelation”. As in the Biblical book.

2. The song “When The Saints Go Marching In” is a reference to the Apocalypse.

3. There have been a number of forecast and failed Apocalypses throughout American history. The 1844 “Great Disappointment” resulted in the founding of a group whose nucleus eventually become the Seventh Day Adventists. Another group that resulted from it eventually became the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

According to Pulpit Pimp John Hagee All Jews will be slaughtered at Armageddon except 144,000 male virgins who will convert to Christianity.

Bottom line—These so called Christians for Israel want to finish what Hitler started.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:53:41pm

re: #162 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s not him tho, read the thread below it.

Ok, I went back. I guess I share your’s and Mueller, She Wrote’s careful and measured optimism. A couple of threads back I said that I really respect Chuck and I respect Mueller, but that up to now his podcasts had been to highlight honest officials who “took the oath,” let them tell their stories, and hope that it inspired trust in government again. But, that I didn’t see his podcast as the platform for breaking news.

It’s likely that at the hearing Mueller knew that there was no point in dropping bombshells, and he couldn’t talk about what was happening with on-going investigations, so I guess my baseline hope would be that Chuck walks Mueller through the process to expose Trump and Barr in what will likely be very measured ways if he does that. Fingers crossed.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:55:14pm

re: #167 ckkatz

I am not familiar with Christian Theology. But doesn’t Revelations note that only 144,000 will be called to Heaven prior to the ‘Tribulation’?

For those who take that literally, they all believe they will be part of the 144,000.

For those who take the number metaphorically (to mean “a lot of people,”) they all believe they will be part of that lot.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 29, 2020 • 2:55:47pm

Over the last four years we’ve been using the word combo “we now know” so much that I often forget the spelling of now and know and use them interchangeably.

eta: also: “we know now”

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Nov 29, 2020 • 4:53:52pm

re: #59 DesertDenizen

Is there still surprisingly good Asian Buffet lunch in Sierra Vista?
Is there still a bar with a red pool table and a deer stag taxidermy in Bisbee?
In mid1980’s we were drinking in bar that was once an stock exchange building in Bisbee, and this guy kept trying to get us to buy him drinks under the notion he was a member of Badfinger

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 29, 2020 • 8:34:07pm

re: #24 thedopefishlives

Yeah, me too. I’m sorry, but if there’s booze in my house, it’s because at some point in the near future I plan to get plastered. It’s not there for prestige or for looking at, it’s there for consumption and enjoyment (and, depending on the circumstances, maybe a fair amount of forgetting).

And some playing of guitar and singing, always singing.


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