The Colbert Interview: President Obama Reflects on the Drone Program and “The Illusion That It Is Not War”

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President Obama describes the decision-making process behind his administration’s use of drone strikes and why he ultimately had to reform the system. Barack Obama’s new memoir “A Promised Land” is available everywhere now. #Colbert #PresidentObama #BarackObama

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i(m)p(each)sos  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:08:48am

GOWTTT

(Get On With The Transition Today!)

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Teukka  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:12:42am

And now for something completely different:

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:17:13am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:20:29am

❤️❤️❤️

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:20:47am
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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:20:57am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:21:44am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

It’s funny what the threat of a lawsuit does to an assholes resolve. I hope Krebs continues to sue his ass off.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:22:16am
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Jay C  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:22:54am

re: #1 i(m)p(each)sos

GOWTTT

(Get On With The Transition Today!)

Speaking of which: (Via Balloon Juice), PE Biden introduced his nominees for his team of economic advisors today: not that I’m familiar with any of them, but they seem to be capable professionals (enough of a pleasant surprise in itself) - so likely to painted as the Second Coming Of the Politburo by the RW media….

PS: noted Joe’s boot on his right foot: he still walks better with the boot than Trump does on his own feet…..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:22:57am

Comedians doing better interviews than 90% of actual journalists.

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DesertDenizen  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:23:52am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

If Barry is hoping this will save his reputation in History, he’s sorely mistaken.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:24:35am

Barr reflects what everyone not involved in the GOP or Trumpworld knows - there was zero voter fraud, let alone widespread voter fraud to deliver Trump a win anywhere he was soundly trounced by Biden.

Trump lost, and now he’s ginning up the conspiracies to 11 to undermine Biden’s incoming admin by claiming it was somehow illegitimate. What Trump was doing was illegal. What Trump was doing was criminal. He should be prosecuted for interfering in the election counts and bullying officials into throwing out lawfully cast and counted ballots. GOPers who participated and enabled his actions should be prosecuted alongside him as accomplices/coconspirators.

And the lawyers who pushed this nonsense for Trump should likewise lose their law licenses and Trump should be forced to pay costs.

Of course, the likelihood of prosecutions and disbarment remains low because these kinds of crimes just don’t get punished as they should. With Trump shredding the rule of law and using the pardon power to protect himself above all else, we’re going to see some wild pretzel logic from the right wing trying to justify anything Trump does between now and January 20.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:30:01am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Average citizens who are not in the public eye often talk carelessly about killing others, when it’s meant as hyperbole, and merely signals that they are irritated. But those who have a media presence may have listeners who take their words literally and act on them, especially in a climate like this where the President is literally goading others to react violently by claiming that those who don’t support his lies are enemies. The appropriate Bar Association needs to take diGenova’s words seriously. IANAL — but can diGenova be disciplined for his rhetoric?

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piratedan  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:35:14am

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

still a big fan of the KPCS…. good stuff

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:37:47am

re: #11 DesertDenizen

If Barry is hoping this will save his reputation in History, he’s sorely mistaken.

And when will Barr announce that the Durham investigation also found nothing and the entire Mueller investigation had a legitimate foundation? My guess is: never. He will continue to incite the base with dishonest allegations that are just this side of outright lies— using weasel words to coverup the total lack of evidence.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:38:08am
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John Hughes  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:39:51am

re: #2 Teukka

And now for something completely different

Quick! Break out the Lewis guns!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:43:33am
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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:46:32am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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Barr knows who will be cutting him checks in the future, and it sure as hell won’t be the Trump Organization. There’s no future in tying himself to a sinking ship.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:47:48am

re: #19 Targetpractice

Barr knows who will be cutting him checks in the future, and it sure as hell won’t be the Trump Organization. There’s no future in tying himself to a sinking ship.

Who is going to cut Barr checks? Certainly not any Dem. And he just burned the bridge to repubs.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:48:03am

FUCKING LOSER.

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:48:06am

Meanwhile in Michigan the MAGATS are acting up…

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:48:24am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:50:17am

re: #22 🌹UOJB!

Meanwhile in Michigan the MAGATS are acting up…

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What hearing is this?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:51:00am

Bill Barr several months ago over Flynn case: ‘the winner writes history.’

It’s not you, Bill.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:51:33am

re: #20 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Who is going to cut Barr checks? Certainly not any Dem. And he just burned the bridge to repubs.

He’ll either head back to a law firm or be picked up for a lobbying firm. The only bridge burned is with Trump and whatever loyalists remain in the party ranks, which is the sort of clean break that the money men will want to see going forward.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:54:10am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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no it wasnt ‘obvious’

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John Hughes  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:58:36am

re: #22 🌹UOJB!

This is going to end with some semi-sane GOP people getting lynched.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:59:07am
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danarchy  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:59:24am

re: #24 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What hearing is this?

The Michigan legislature has been having a steady stream of republican poll watchers testifying about “irregularities”

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2020 • 11:59:30am

Formerly Ellen Page:

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Egregious Philbin  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:01:30pm

re: #14 piratedan

It was a great show! Try Gilbert Gottfried’s Amazing Colossal Podcast, great stuff.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:02:16pm

re: #30 danarchy

The Michigan legislature has been having a steady stream of republican poll watchers testifying about “irregularities”

Which translates in this context as “I have no fucking clue what was going on, but I’m sure something ‘illegal’ was happening because Biden won.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:02:20pm

re: #28 John Hughes

This is going to end with some semi-sane GOP people getting lynched.

I don’t wish harm on anyone, but if this does happen they will only have themselves to blame. They created this monster. They can pay the price when it spins out of control.

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:03:52pm

re: #24 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What hearing is this?

GOP chair threatens to end election hearing over angry Trump supporters who ‘can’t control themselves’

rawstory.com

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:07:14pm

re: #28 John Hughes

This is going to end with some semi-sane GOP people getting lynched.

Actions.
Have.
Consequences.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:09:00pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:12:07pm

re: #37 Dread Pirate Ron

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:13:22pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t wish harm on anyone, but if this does happen they will only have themselves to blame. They created this monster. They can pay the price when it spins out of control.

Yup. To me there is no sane Republican. It’s an oxymoron.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:14:42pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Remember when Republicans hated special counsels?

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:16:00pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:16:22pm

re: #40 Belafon

Remember when Republicans hated special counsels?

They still do. This is about protecting the russiapublicans.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:18:51pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:19:43pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Mueller was in fear of being fired if his investigation went too close to Trump finances. So what kind of special protection is Durham being given here? All he’s doing is wasting resources and finances to investigate a dead end and sabotage the Biden DOJ.

Is anyone going to disbar this monster AG? Or is Trump going to pardon him too?

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:19:52pm

So the assholes who’ve spent four years insisting that the appointment of a special council was purely about political payback for losing an election…are appointing a special counsel solely as payback for losing an election.

And the media will treat this not as proof that the whole thing was a shitshow from the word “Go,” but will instead treat it as a totally legit investigation that somehow reflects poorly upon the new administration.

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:24:54pm

Oh my!

Project Bullshit, er, “Veritas” is at it again with taped conversations of CNN executives.

Edited as usual…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:25:55pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:27:14pm
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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:27:25pm

Barr’s going to get ripped a new one by Trump via Meadows, unless Trump comes out of his spiderhole to rip Barr directly for throwing his voter fraud grift under the bus.

The reality is that everyone and everything is a scam in Trumpworld, and the voter fraud claims are just that - a scam.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:27:43pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:28:24pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:29:33pm
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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:29:35pm
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🌹UOJB!  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:29:55pm

Ok so Barr The Blimp is going to be fired…

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:30:46pm

re: #48 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Well Jenna, we could have told you when the announcement was made that it wasn’t a serious investigation.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:32:55pm
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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:33:48pm

Meanwhile, Sidney Powell is insisting that courts directly deal her sanctions and refer her to state bar association for disbarment and filing frivolous actions.

Enough already, this is absurd.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:33:57pm

So apparently Durham was appointed as a special counsel back on Oct 19th, but Barr decided for one to keep news about ongoing DOJ investigations secret until after the election. And we’re only now hearing about it, weeks after the election itself, in what appears to be a stab in the eye of the DOJ as Barr prepares to exit out the back.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:34:24pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:34:47pm
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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:35:44pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Durham report that has come up with absolutely nothing wrong, but GOP will point to it as proof of malfeasance.

Meanwhile, Barr and the rest of the corrupted DOJ has protected Trump acting as his personal consigliere instead of nonpartisan. Barr should be prosecuted for his malfeasance too.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:36:43pm

re: #57 lawhawk

Meanwhile, Sidney Powell is insisting that courts directly deal her sanctions and refer her to state bar association for disbarment and filing frivolous actions.

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Enough already, this is absurd.

She’s seriously going to be as bad as Orly “Birther Queen” Taitz by the time all is said and done.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:37:08pm

Sigh

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:38:58pm

re: #60 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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IngisKahn  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:39:05pm

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:40:56pm

re: #61 lawhawk

Durham report that has come up with absolutely nothing wrong, but GOP will point to it as proof of malfeasance.

Meanwhile, Barr and the rest of the corrupted DOJ has protected Trump acting as his personal consigliere instead of nonpartisan. Barr should be prosecuted for his malfeasance too.

The idea now seems to be for Durham to come out with a “looks bad” report between now and the midterms, where we’re told that some agents got overzealous or didn’t dot every i and cross every t, so “Crossfire Hurricane” was not totally on the level. Nobody of any significance will be slapped with more than bending/breaking rules, but the report will be treated as grounds for “further investigation.”

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retired cynic  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:42:50pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

Benghazi.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:44:44pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

GOP hate special counsel investigations, except when they load up on them to kneecap Democrats. SS/DD.

Meanwhile, they sabotaged Mueller and prevented him from going after all the bad actors in Trumpworld, while the DOJ was prohibited from indicting Trump because of a ruling dating back to the Nixon admin.

Trump should be prosecuted. His actions warrant it. Everyone around him is crooked as fuck. The SDNY, EDNY, EDVA, and DC Court should all get cracks at Trumpworld. NYS too. There’s more than enough to go around.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:47:16pm

On today’s episode of ‘…the fuck???’

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:47:52pm

What’s Crossfire Hurricane again? Other than a Rolling Stones song.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:48:28pm

re: #69 makeitstop

On today’s episode of ‘…the fuck???’

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Ron Watkins, kiddie porn connoisseur? Yeah, that’s a fantastic source.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:49:38pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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An if he subpoenas anyone in the Biden admin they should just tell him to FUCK OFF

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:49:47pm

Can’t be unseen.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:50:04pm

re: #67 retired cynic

Benghazi.

Ayep. It’s all about keeping the “scandal” alive at this point. The appointment letter says Durham must not only submit a final report for public release, but also can release “interim reports” that must also be available for public release. The plan is to regularly riddle the new AG with “reports” that will have to be released lest they be accused of a “cover-up.”

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:51:00pm

re: #62 thedopefishlives

She’s seriously going to be as bad as Orly “Birther Queen” Taitz by the time all is said and done.

have they been seen in the same room at the same time?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:51:17pm

re: #70 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What’s Crossfire Hurricane again? Other than a Rolling Stones song.

FBI counter intelligence investigation into Trump associates interaction with Russian government officials

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Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:52:08pm

Hello Lizards, I hope everyone is hanging in there! I’ve been exhausted by all of the post-election stunts by Trump and his GOP enablers. White knuckling it until Jan 20 when the grownups can assess the damage and begin the long process of repairing the federal government. Thanks to all for the informative and/or entertaining links and commentary.

As a reward, you get a picture of Teddy, you get a picture of Teddy. Everybody gets a picture of Teddy!!!

This thing is empty. Fix that, please.
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Teukka  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:52:18pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Can’t be unseen.

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What if he was butthead all along? 🤔 semi-///

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:52:38pm

re: #70 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What’s Crossfire Hurricane again? Other than a Rolling Stones song.

The codename of the FBI investigation into Trump campaign collusion that started back in 2016. According to MAGAts, this was all a super-secret conspiracy between Obama, Lynch, and Comey to conduct illegal surveillance of the Trump campaign to support the Clinton campaign. And then later illegally appoint Mueller as special counsel when Trump got wise to Comey’s part and fired him for his “crimes.”

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:53:46pm

re: #70 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What’s Crossfire Hurricane again? Other than a Rolling Stones song.

It’s the FBI’s counter-intelligence investigation into why the Trump campaign had so many many Russian connections.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:56:10pm
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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 12:57:43pm

re: #69 makeitstop

On today’s episode of ‘…the fuck???’

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anyone have any idea how these people claim they know how dominion s/w works?

i mean it’s all proprietary right? not open access.
and i’d guess tightly protected - being election software and all

so they’re…guessing?
making shit up?

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:00:32pm

Why hasn’t Shithead Sidney been sanctioned?

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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:00:44pm

re: #82 dangerman

anyone have any idea how these people claim they know how dominion s/w works?

i mean it’s all proprietary right? not open access.
and i’d guess tightly protected - being election software and all

so they’re…guessing?
making shit up?

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They’re basing it on the “evidence” that the election was stolen; i.e., their logic is bass-ackwards. They’re starting with their foregone conclusion and then reverse-engineering “facts” to try and make it reality.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:01:01pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

FBI counter intelligence investigation into Trump associates interaction with Russian government officials

That seems to be a dangerous thing for trump, no?

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:01:44pm

Republicans in Georgia are starting to get nervous. Short thread.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:01:49pm

re: #77 Teddy’s Person ✌

Hello Lizards, I hope everyone is hanging in there! I’ve been exhausted by all of the post-election stunts by Trump and his GOP enablers. White knuckling it until Jan 20 when the grownups can assess the damage and begin the long process of repairing the federal government. Thanks to all for the informative and/or entertaining links and commentary.

As a reward, you get a picture of Teddy, you get a picture of Teddy. Everybody gets a picture of Teddy!!!

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It’s always a good day when Teddy is in it. Always.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:01:58pm

re: #82 dangerman

anyone have any idea how these people claim they know how dominion s/w works?

i mean it’s all proprietary right? not open access.
and i’d guess tightly protected - being election software and all

so they’re…guessing?
making shit up?

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I doubt any of the “experts” who have been brought to weigh on the lawsuits so far have actually viewed Dominion’s code, but instead are engaged in what actual experts refer to as “wild-assed guesses.” Basically all Watkins is doing is offering his opinion about what could have happened, as he is not privy to the code itself and as such cannot offer any evidence of tampering (deliberate or otherwise).

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Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:02:38pm

re: #87 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s always a good day when Teddy is in it. Always.

I feel the same way!!

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:03:06pm

re: #84 thedopefishlives

They’re basing it on the “evidence” that the election was stolen; i.e., their logic is bass-ackwards. They’re starting with their foregone conclusion and then reverse-engineering “facts” to try and make it reality.

so they got nothing. no evidence no proof, they’re just fishing.

show us the software so we can ….
just like with the ballots themselves - let us see them and we’ll find something

what i figured

and not how any of this works

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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:03:32pm

re: #90 dangerman

so they got nothing. no evidence no proof, they’re just fishing.

show us the software so we can ….
just like with the ballots themselves - let us see them and we’ll find something

what i figured

and not how any of this works

You nailed it.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:05:14pm

Craziness everywhere. But especially on Parler.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:06:05pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

I doubt any of the “experts” who have been brought to weigh on the lawsuits so far have actually viewed Dominion’s code, but instead are engaged in what actual experts refer to as “wild-assed guesses.” Basically all Watkins is doing is offering his opinion about what could have happened, as he is not privy to the code itself and as such cannot offer any evidence of tampering (deliberate or otherwise).

And Watkins is in Japan the Philippines?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:06:06pm

re: #89 Teddy’s Person ✌

I feel the same way!!

But you’re biased!! 😉

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:06:33pm

The recurring issue with all these affidavits being offered as “evidence” is that most of them contain little to nothing that could be actionable. “I think” or “I believe” or “I suspect” is of such little evidentiary value that no prosecutor would waste time dragging any of these fuckwits before a court just to prove a perjury charge. It’s the legal equiv of stuffing a bunch of blank pages into a folder, then waving it around at a presser as “evidence” in order to con the rubes into believing you’re not simply full of shit.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:09:13pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

I doubt any of the “experts” who have been brought to weigh on the lawsuits so far have actually viewed Dominion’s code, but instead are engaged in what actual experts refer to as “wild-assed guesses.” Basically all Watkins is doing is offering his opinion about what could have happened, as he is not privy to the code itself and as such cannot offer any evidence of tampering (deliberate or otherwise).

i got it now. all a bunch of nonsense.

i’ll start to worry if they get to the Swag level

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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:09:15pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

The recurring issue with all these affidavits being offered as “evidence” is that most of them contain little to nothing that could be actionable. “I think” or “I believe” or “I suspect” is of such little evidentiary value that no prosecutor would waste time dragging any of these fuckwits before a court just to prove a perjury charge. It’s the legal equiv of stuffing a bunch of blank pages into a folder, then waving it around at a presser as “evidence” in order to con the rubes into believing you’re not simply full of shit.

These affidavits are basically being presented as expert testimony. The problem with that is that an expert needs to establish credentials with the court that prove he or she is an actual expert in the thing they are placing themselves under oath to testify to. Watkins has zero expertise that is relevant to the court, so his “affidavit” isn’t even worth the electrons it was filed on.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:11:15pm

re: #85 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That seems to be a dangerous thing for trump, no?

No. The Durham special counsel is tasked to investigate the actions of the FBI agents that conducted Crossfire Hurricane

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Khal Wimpo (part of the vote-stealing cabal)  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:11:21pm

Amazing that Twitter is still rife with Trump dead-enders, screaming defiance and holding up “proof” like something something fractions algorithm Dominion something means Don The Con gets to be president for life

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:11:56pm

This simply cannot stand.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:13:16pm

re: #97 thedopefishlives

These affidavits are basically being presented as expert testimony. The problem with that is that an expert needs to establish credentials with the court that prove he or she is an actual expert in the thing they are placing themselves under oath to testify to. Watkins has zero expertise that is relevant to the court, so his “affidavit” isn’t even worth the electrons it was filed on.

It’s hard as fuck to tell at this point whether these are genuine lawsuits that they actually expect to win in court…or if they’re just throwing up a whole lot of chaff in order to leave the lasting impression that Biden’s win was “controversial” or “disputed.”

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Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:14:03pm

re: #100 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This simply cannot stand.

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Isn’t this what he basically did for Flynn?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:14:54pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

Ayep. It’s all about keeping the “scandal” alive at this point. The appointment letter says Durham must not only submit a final report for public release, but also can release “interim reports” that must also be available for public release. The plan is to regularly riddle the new AG with “reports” that will have to be released lest they be accused of a “cover-up.”

And fishing expeditions here and that with the expectation that when an subpoena is refused they can go to the media and scream “OBSTRUCTION!”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:15:01pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

It’s hard as fuck to tell at this point whether these are genuine lawsuits that they actually expect to win in court…or if they’re just throwing up a whole lot of chaff in order to leave the lasting impression that Biden’s win was “controversial” or “disputed.”

Trump was never going to concede, that is part of his business model once he finally leaves: the rally and speech circuit as the Rightfully-Elected-President-in-Exile.

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Jay C  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:15:05pm

re: #69 makeitstop

On today’s episode of ‘…the fuck???’

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I am an adult of sound mind.”

Already presenting “facts not in evidence”….

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:15:19pm

re: #100 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This simply cannot stand.

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None of it will fly in New York.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:15:32pm

re: #100 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This simply cannot stand.

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i called it in the last thread*:

“It’s not clear how this kind of preemptive pardon would work, given that no member of the Trump family has been accused of a federal crime. However sources pushing for this action say the argument is an ‘insurance policy’ against concerns that the incoming Biden administration could undertake politically motivated investigations.”

*edit to clarify - the quote is from the abc news article.
the prescient observation was mine from downstairs

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:15:42pm

re: #102 Teddy’s Person ✌

Isn’t this what he basically did for Flynn?

Yes.

You can’t commit all kinds of crimes and then exclude yourself from Justice. Fuck that. Fuck them.

Justice is for little people. I’m livid.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:15:53pm

re: #100 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This needs to be challenged all the way up to SCOTUS.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:16:04pm

re: #103 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And fishing expeditions here and that with the expectation that when an subpoena is refused they can go to the media and scream “OBSTRUCTION!”.

My first thought was: this is just a way to frame any investigation into Trump, Barr, the DoJ as an obstructionist act.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:16:10pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

It’s hard as fuck to tell at this point whether these are genuine lawsuits that they actually expect to win in court…or if they’re just throwing up a whole lot of chaff in order to leave the lasting impression that Biden’s win was “controversial” or “disputed.”

mostly it’s a way to raise over $170m in the last 3.5 weeks

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:16:44pm

More Parler wackiness…

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Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:17:21pm

re: #108 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Yes.

You can’t commit all kinds of crimes and then exclude yourself from Justice. Fuck that. Fuck them.

Justice is for little people. I’m livid.

I’m right there with you!

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:17:22pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:22:58pm

re: #107 dangerman

i called it in the last thread*:

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*edit to clarify - the quote is from the abc news article.
the prescient observation was mine from downstairs

Spoiler alert: They intend to declare any investigations into their crimes as “politically motivated.”

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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:25:22pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

Spoiler alert: They intend to declare any investigations into their crimes as “politically motivated.”

I know Biden is intentionally keeping himself out of the fray on this one, but you know damn well they’ll accuse him of SECRETLY PUSHING HIS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO INVESTIGATE US BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE LOST AND HE DOESN’T WANT PEOPLE FINDING OUT THE TRUTH!!!!! Calling it now.

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William Lewis  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:25:56pm

So playing in the dumpster fire that is disqus commenting at WPR news with a real live wire. He’s all about how libs will be crying in the next few weeks when Trump gets his next term after they prove the voting machines were hacked. So deluded.

Still it’s fun to poke the moron with a stick though sooner or later the mods will wake up and start nuking comments.

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ericblair  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:28:25pm

re: #98 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

No. The Durham special counsel is tasked to investigate the actions of the FBI agents that conducted Crossfire Hurricane

So, it’s looking like the appointment was illegal.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:28:26pm

re: #117 William Lewis

So playing in the dumpster fire that is disqus commenting at WPR news with a real live wire. He’s all about how libs will be crying in the next few weeks when Trump gets his next term after they prove the voting machines were hacked. So deluded.

Still it’s fun to poke the moron with a stick though sooner or later the mods will wake up and start nuking comments.

Yeah, and Herr Hitler is going to shove the evidence that a communist burned down the Reichstag any day now as well.//////

No, if Trump “wins” another term, it will be in a coup that has the full support of the GOP.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:29:12pm

re: #118 ericblair

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So, it’s looking like the appointment was illegal.

That’s about as good a reason as any for the new AG to contest Durham’s appointment and shit-can his ass.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:29:54pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:30:19pm
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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:30:43pm

re: #121 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota… Eh, they’re all a bunch of Democratic idiots, who cares?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:31:15pm

re: #121 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

This lawsuit, in Wisconsin, demands “security camera recording of all rooms used in the voting process at the TCF Center,” which is in Detroit, which is not a city in Wisconsin.

For all their support of States’ Rights, they cannot seem to get their states right…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:31:16pm
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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:31:22pm

re: #122 Dread Pirate Ron

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And when Pelosi tells McConnell to stick it up Trump’s ass, since he’s there anyway…

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:32:18pm

re: #100 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This simply cannot stand.

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i read an article a few weeks back and i cant find it now.
written by a lawyer / lawyers
it went into great detail over why a self pardon couldn’t stand
and also about these preemptive ones

(ianal)
their argument, as best as i can remember is that a pardon is not any kind of protection from investigation *or* prosecution:

- trump issues blanket pardon
- individual is charged with a federal crime, then tried and must be convicted
- it is only then that such a pardon could be exercised because federal pardon power applies only to convictions**
- and that’s when the suit is brought to test the validity of the pardon

of course whoever had such a pardon would try to claim use of it when first arrested/indicted/charged etc.

** from the DOJ website

Under the Constitution, only federal criminal convictions, such as those adjudicated in the United States District Courts, may be pardoned by the President. In addition, the President’s pardon power extends to convictions adjudicated in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia and military court-martial proceedings. However, the President cannot pardon a state criminal offense…

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jamesfirecat  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:32:55pm

re: #122 Dread Pirate Ron

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Based on what I can see this still includes the poison pill of making granting companies immunity to being sued when they screw up and bring people back to work too early or otherwise don’t behave properly to keep their employees safe.

Does that match with everyone else’s findings?

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:33:48pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

Spoiler alert: They intend to declare any investigations into their crimes as “politically motivated.”

i am shocked!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:34:18pm

re: #118 ericblair

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So, it’s looking like the appointment was illegal.

Maybe. It depends on what the word IS is.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:34:27pm

re: #127 dangerman

When someone says “But Nixon,” the reply is “No one chose to contest it. That doesn’t make it law.”

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:35:18pm

re: #130 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Maybe. It depends on what the word IS is.

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If he’s not a special counsel, then he doesn’t get to do the work.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:35:19pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:38:03pm

re: #122 Dread Pirate Ron

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Yeah, this isn’t a serious offer, it’s just something to wave around whenever the media asks a Senate Repub why there isn’t a damned thing being done to help the American people. That it’s “admin-approved” only means that at least 51 Senate Repubs now have cover to vote for it just so there can (finally) be an answer to the House-approved bills that have sat on Mitch’s desk since May.

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DesertDenizen  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:38:10pm

re: #133 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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How are we back to proving a negative? This is like demanding that Iraq prove it doesn’t have WMDs. It’s impossible, and anything they might find, no matter how begign becomes proof of every wildass conspiracy theory they have. Bad logic, bad faith, or both?

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Khal Wimpo (part of the vote-stealing cabal)  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:40:38pm

re: #92 makeitstop

Craziness everywhere. But especially on Parler.

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I wonder. In 2016, we got hit with the loss all at once, on election night, and spent the next week in a daze, drunk as often as not, feeling wretched and hopeless. But after that, we started organizing and marching and putting together the Blue Wave of 2018, and the foundations of the win this year.

Is it better or worse for the RWNJs to drag this out this long? What will be the psychological effect on them to have to see Joe Biden raising his right hand, and images of thousands of people partying in the streets and laughing in their faces, as they stew?

Violence? Turning deeper to conspiracy theories? Dull acceptance and disconnection? All of the above?

Which wolf will win?

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:41:12pm
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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:43:57pm

re: #131 Belafon

When someone says “But Nixon,” the reply is “No one chose to contest it. That doesn’t make it law.”

that is definitely my position as well

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DesertDenizen  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:44:23pm

re: #137 Dread Pirate Ron

And there we have it. The critical moment. This is the opportunity to stop his coup. Right here. Hopefully Alito does the right thing and declines hearing.

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Mattand  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:44:34pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

APNEWSALERT: WASHINGTON (AP) — Barr tells AP that Justice Dept. hasn’t uncovered widespread voting fraud that could have changed 2020 election outcome.

Something I’ve been thinking about for weeks: was our election security tight enough that Russia didn’t attempt the level of ratfuckery from 2016? Or did they try and it just wasn’t successful?

I might be conflating two different things, though. There was no evidence they actually manipulated any results last time. I can’t imagine this is any different. It just seems like the Fancy Bear-esque hacking of emails wasn’t as big an issue this time around.

I also wonder if Facebook and Twitter finally being shamed into calling Trump’s lies for what they are, for once, helped tamp any potential BS down.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:44:39pm

re: #137 Dread Pirate Ron

NEW: GOP Rep. Mike Kelly of PA has asked SCOTUS for an emergency writ to stop the perfection of election results in the state as a first step toward the high court considering an appeal of his lawsuit dismissed over the weekend.

This stuff scares me. Once the SCOTUS touches this election all hell is going to break loose…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:45:34pm

re: #140 Mattand

I might be conflating two different things, though. There was no evidence they actually manipulated any results last time. I can’t imagine this is any different. It just seems like the Fancy Bear-esque hacking of emails wasn’t as big an issue this time around.

I think that Russia was mostly into manipulating our social media, which they did masterfully in 2016 but with diminished success in 2020

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:45:46pm

re: #137 Dread Pirate Ron

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My fucking worthless rep

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:46:23pm

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that Russia was mostly into manipulating our social media, which they did masterfully in 2016 but with diminished success in 2020

Agreed.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:49:38pm

re: #139 DesertDenizen

And there we have it. The critical moment. This is the opportunity to stop his coup. Right here. Hopefully Alito does the right thing and declines hearing.

And the ultimate trashing of state’s rights if the SC acts on this the way Trump & Co want.

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Mattand  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:50:07pm

re: #137 Dread Pirate Ron

NEW: GOP Rep. Mike Kelly of PA has asked SCOTUS for an emergency writ to stop the perfection of election results in the state as a first step toward the high court considering an appeal of his lawsuit dismissed over the weekend.

Layman here: is this an actual thing? Is this basically knocking on the Court’s chamber doors and going, “Hey, I need you guys to look at this? Do you have a minute? Yeah, got no evidence or anything to speak of, but I really need your help right now.”

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:50:34pm

re: #137 Dread Pirate Ron

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from the comments

Q: has there ever been ‘with prejudice’ case ever granted and reversed by the SC before in history?

A: As long as I know, never.

So let me get this straight on messaging. This suit says the legislature overstepped its power and unconstitutionally changed the election law. But Team Trump also wants the same legislature to take its power back and send their own electors.

So the cognitive dissonance is the legislature is at once too powerful and also not powerful enough in selecting electors. Make it make sense.

and finally

But the election was good enough for all the others on the ballot … just not Trump and Pence because they were rejected by voters
?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:52:28pm

re: #139 DesertDenizen

And there we have it. The critical moment. This is the opportunity to stop his coup. Right here. Hopefully Alito does the right thing and declines hearing.

This will continue to distress me until the EC has convened to elect Biden and Congress approved their decision…

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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:52:30pm

re: #146 Mattand

j

Layman here: is this an actual thing? Is this basically knocking on the Court’s chamber doors and going, “Hey, I need you guys to look at this? Do you have a minute? Yeah, got no evidence or anything to speak of, but I really need your help right now.”

It’s the same thing they’ve been trying in the lower federal courts and the state courts from the start - similar to an injunction. Yes, you can ask them for it; basically going, “Shitshitshit, if we don’t get this before the Court right now, X, Y, and Z will happen.” If the Court decides that you’re right and also that you’re likely to win the case, they’ll grant the writ and hear your case.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:54:15pm

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This stuff scares me. Once the SCOTUS touches this election all hell is going to break loose…

There realistically is nothing for them to rule upon. Kelly’s lawsuit involved an amendment to the PA constitution, which is a state-level issue upon which the highest state court ruled. And that court’s ruling is that the PA GOP cannot wait until the amendment fucks them over before choosing to challenge its constitutionality.

The only other “pending” lawsuit in PA is the one where the only thing being appealed is the state judge not allowing the filing of an amended complaint. They even spelled out in their appeal to the Third Circuit that they’re not alleging “fraud.”

In the latter, the most the USSC bench could do is send it back down to the lower courts with an order to allow the amended filing. As for the former, there is no way they could swing a ruling in Kelly’s favor without taking a massive (and very public) shit on the idea of “states rights.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:54:19pm

re: #149 thedopefishlives

It’s the same thing they’ve been trying in the lower federal courts and the state courts from the start - similar to an injunction. Yes, you can ask them for it; basically going, “Shitshitshit, if we don’t get this before the Court right now, X, Y, and Z will happen.” If the Court decides that you’re right and also that you’re likely to win the case, they’ll grant the writ and hear your case.

Or if the Court is very sympathetic to the party requesting…

we are beyond Good Evil and the Founding Fathers here, this is pure Power Play

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KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:54:29pm

re: #6 Dr. Matt

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In fairness, Catholics were often considered suspicious in this country until relatively recently (and there’s still some anti-Catholic bias out there, just not from where the rightwing Catholic crowd wants you to think it is from).

But to take the question at face value, I suspect (since I typically don’t really give a fuck what anyone wears or why they wear it) the answer would be the nun wears it because she entered a religious order and it is the uniform of her order; whereas the hijab is something that “every” woman of that religious tradition “must” wear.

Or, you know, racism/xenophobia/religious bigotry/misogyny (disguised as feminism)

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garzooma  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:54:36pm

re: #140 Mattand

Something I’ve been thinking about for weeks: was our election security tight enough that Russia didn’t attempt the level of ratfuckery from 2016? Or did they try and it just wasn’t successful?

I might be conflating two different things, though. There was no evidence they actually manipulated any results last time. I can’t imagine this is any different. It just seems like the Fancy Bear-esque hacking of emails wasn’t as big an issue this time around.

I also wonder if Facebook and Twitter finally being shamed into calling Trump’s lies for what they are, for once, helped tamp any potential BS down.

I’ve been thinking of this as well. If there had been hacking attempts, there should be evidence of it. The same with social media campaigns — Mueller was able to uncover evidence of it.

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BeachDem  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:55:23pm

re: #122 Dread Pirate Ron

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100% deduction for business meals. Bzzzzz
Money for private and religious schools. Bzzzzzz
Liability protection for shady businesses. Bzzzzz

That’s just from a quick read.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:56:21pm
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Mattand  Dec 1, 2020 • 1:57:46pm

re: #149 thedopefishlives

It’s the same thing they’ve been trying in the lower federal courts and the state courts from the start - similar to an injunction. Yes, you can ask them for it; basically going, “Shitshitshit, if we don’t get this before the Court right now, X, Y, and Z will happen.” If the Court decides that you’re right and also that you’re likely to win the case, they’ll grant the writ and hear your case.

So, in theory, if the conservative nitwits on SCOTUS wanted to fuck with the election, now’s their chance?

I just read through some of the comments on the Tweet I quoted. It seems a lot of this hinges on whether the SCOTUS wants to tell PA how to interpret their own constitution, which is generally a no-no for the supposed states’ rights party the conservative supposedly belong to.

Ugh, This shit never ends. This is what’s starting to get to me. In 2016, the common wisdom was that Trump didn’t have a chance, but enough racists and stupid people managed to thread that loop for him.

Now? He keeps losing court case after court case, but the needle threading now is getting the SCOTUS, and the mouth breathers he appointed, to jump start his coup.

Just “ugh”.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:00:20pm

the AP has:


Biden up to 80,941,306 votes. (that’s almost 81m) and 51.32%

Trump 74,077,537 46.97%

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:00:26pm

Even if somehow the wingnut majority on the USSC bench figures out a way to swing tossing the PA amendment and ruling that the ballots also have to be tossed, that does not mean that Trump wins by default. It just means that Biden’s margin of EC victory shrinks by 20 votes.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:00:54pm
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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:01:25pm

re: #156 Mattand

So, in theory, if the conservative nitwits on SCOTUS wanted to fuck with the election, now’s their chance?

I just read through some of the comments on the Tweet I quoted. It seems a lot of this hinges on whether the SCOTUS wants to tell PA how to interpret their own constitution, which is generally a no-no for the supposed states’ rights party the conservative supposedly belong to.

Ugh, This shit never ends. This is what’s starting to get to me. In 2016, the common wisdom was that Trump didn’t have a chance, but enough racists and stupid people managed to thread that loop for him.

Now? He keeps losing court case after court case, but the needle threading now is getting the SCOTUS, and the mouth breathers he appointed, to jump start his coup.

Just “ugh”.

In theory, yes - but also no. Because of the issues you noted, there’s no way on God’s green earth that this writ gets accepted by the Court, unless they intend on very quickly shooting this down. They may be majority wingnuts, but not even Amy Coney Barrett is particularly stupid. They all know what a precedent accepting this case AND ruling favorably would set.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:02:49pm

re: #152 KGxvi

In fairness, Catholics were often considered suspicious in this country until relatively recently (and there’s still some anti-Catholic bias out there, just not from where the rightwing Catholic crowd wants you to think it is from).

But to take the question at face value, I suspect (since I typically don’t really give a fuck what anyone wears or why they wear it) the answer would be the nun wears it because she entered a religious order and it is the uniform of her order; whereas the hijab is something that “every” woman of that religious tradition “must” wear.

Or, you know, racism/xenophobia/religious bigotry/misogyny (disguised as feminism)

Raised Roman Catholic here, went to Catholic schools, the whole shebang. Until not that long ago, and even now some older women still, wear head coverings when attending mass. In the 60’s and into the 70’s (my years of reference) pretty much EVERY woman did.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:03:43pm

re: #160 thedopefishlives

In theory, yes - but also no. Because of the issues you noted, there’s no way on God’s green earth that this writ gets accepted by the Court, unless they intend on very quickly shooting this down. They may be majority wingnuts, but not even Amy Coney Barrett is particularly stupid. They all know what a precedent accepting this case AND ruling favorably would set.

It essentially destroys the state governments and election systems in the entire nation. It’s the precedent that any state decision can be appealed pretty much directly to the SC.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:04:28pm

re: #153 garzooma

I’ve been thinking of this as well. If there had been hacking attempts, there should be evidence of it. The same with social media campaigns — Mueller was able to uncover evidence of it.

maybe Wisconsin got hacked from the TCF center in Detroit
that would certainly explain….
nah, it really wouldnt

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KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:04:29pm

re: #161 Eventual Carrion

Raised Roman Catholic here, went to Catholic schools, the whole shebang. Until not that long ago, and even now some older women still, wear head coverings when attending mass. In the 60’s and into the 70’s (my years of reference) pretty much EVERY woman did.

I was raised Catholic in the 80s, don’t really remember any women (besides nuns) wearing head coverings at mass. Then again the Catholic school I went to back then, we only had one nun as a teacher and one as principal (she was one of those beer drinking, swearing nuns).

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:04:44pm

re: #160 thedopefishlives

In theory, yes - but also no. Because of the issues you noted, there’s no way on God’s green earth that this writ gets accepted by the Court, unless they intend on very quickly shooting this down. They may be majority wingnuts, but not even Amy Coney Barrett is particularly stupid. They all know what a precedent accepting this case AND ruling favorably would set.

Basically, there is no way they could write a ruling and thus set a precedent so narrow that only Kelly could win but no future case would have a chance. This is a bell that could not be unrung, the wingnut majority would be saying that the USSC could impose itself in state politics for generations to come. Got a state amendment you don’t like? Don’t work to have it repealed, just file in the courts and appeal until you get to the USSC where you make your case that it’s “unconstitutional.”

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:05:10pm

re: #154 BeachDem

100% deduction for business meals. Bzzzzz
Money for private and religious schools. Bzzzzzz
Liability protection for shady businesses. Bzzzzz

That’s just from a quick read.

all of which has what to do with ‘corona virus relief’?

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:05:30pm

Man, the things you miss when you go away and work half a day.

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Alephnaught  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:05:31pm

I was involved with this video, which was broadcast on YouTube earlier this evening:

World AIDS Day 2020 - a commemoration

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William Lewis  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:06:02pm

Not one of mine but a really neat photo. Pity the people are in the way. I’d have honestly been tempted by photoshop in this instance. Still a neat picture:

Article on it here: Full Moon Photo Looks Like Mysterious Giant Eye Through Rock Arch in Utah

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:08:30pm

re: #156 Mattand

So, in theory, if the conservative nitwits on SCOTUS wanted to fuck with the election, now’s their chance?

I just read through some of the comments on the Tweet I quoted. It seems a lot of this hinges on whether the SCOTUS wants to tell PA how to interpret their own constitution, which is generally a no-no for the supposed states’ rights party the conservative supposedly belong to.

Ugh, This shit never ends. This is what’s starting to get to me. In 2016, the common wisdom was that Trump didn’t have a chance, but enough racists and stupid people managed to thread that loop for him.

Now? He keeps losing court case after court case, but the needle threading now is getting the SCOTUS, and the mouth breathers he appointed, to jump start his coup.

Just “ugh”.

fwiw

dont think this nonsense ends on 12/8 (e/c safe harbor)
or 12/14 e/c votes
1/6/21 congress counts the e/c votes
or even 1/20/21 at 12:00:01pm

they cant give up

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:09:10pm

re: #164 KGxvi

I was raised Catholic in the 80s, don’t really remember any women (besides nuns) wearing head coverings at mass. Then again the Catholic school I went to back then, we only had one nun as a teacher and one as principal (she was one of those beer drinking, swearing nuns).

Yeah, like I said it started thinning out into the 70’s. Many in our church kept it up, many younger women didn’t. Even by mid 70’s my mom had quit doing it. But grandma did it till the day she died, as did many of her friends in the church. Plus the hat and veil thing was a fashion statement for many of them (and I am sure a bit of competition).

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:09:12pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

Even if somehow the wingnut majority on the USSC bench figures out a way to swing tossing the PA amendment and ruling that the ballots also have to be tossed, that does not mean that Trump wins by default. It just means that Biden’s margin of EC victory shrinks by 20 votes.

ding!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:09:49pm

re: #152 KGxvi

But to take the question at face value, I suspect (since I typically don’t really give a fuck what anyone wears or why they wear it) the answer would be the nun wears it because she entered a religious order and it is the uniform of her order; whereas the hijab is something that “every” woman of that religious tradition “must” wear.

Or, you know, racism/xenophobia/religious bigotry/misogyny (disguised as feminism)

That is the argument used in Germany to ban Muslim public school teachers from wearing a headscarf while teaching.

Also keep in mind that Germany allows religious instruction in public schools. Religion class grades are not part of the student’s overall academic record.

Technically, they maintain “separation” of Church and State in that they simply make the schoolrooms available while the churches provide the instructors, many of whom are - you guessed it - nuns wearing head covering.

Remember, this is the culture that gave us the Pretzel and they apply those skills masterfully in crafting legislation to cover these things.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:11:08pm

re: #170 dangerman

fwiw

dont think this nonsense ends on 12/8 (e/c safe harbor)
or 12/14 e/c votes
1/6/21 congress counts the e/c votes
or even 1/20/21 at 12:00:01pm

they cant give up

I suppose it depends on the “nonsense” one is discussing. Realistically, once the electoral college has voted and Congress has certified, then there’s nothing legally that can be done.

But if you’re talking “BIDEN STOLE THE ELECTION!!!”, well then there are still assholes who insist that Obama stole both elections. So there’s no reason to suspect that this will be any different.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:11:41pm

One thing we seem to constantly underestimate: Yes, Republicans are universally soulless, with absolutely no desire for anything except to enrich themselves and give themselves more power. But court justices are cut from a little bit different cloth. In a federal courtroom, the judge is God; they don’t need to enhance their own power, they have all of it. As a result, even the more wingnutty ones tend to rule with careful thought and consideration. We’re being surprised by the courts’ lack of action on Trump’s absurd claims, but that’s because courtrooms are more of a politics-free zone than even Trump realizes.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:12:01pm

re: #160 thedopefishlives

In theory, yes - but also no. Because of the issues you noted, there’s no way on God’s green earth that this writ gets accepted by the Court, unless they intend on very quickly shooting this down. They may be majority wingnuts, but not even Amy Coney Barrett is particularly stupid. They all know what a precedent accepting this case AND ruling favorably would set.

they would be delegitimizing their own selves and futures in the process

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:12:19pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

I suppose it depends on the “nonsense” one is discussing. Realistically, once the electoral college has voted and Congress has certified, then there’s nothing legally that can be done.

But if you’re talking “BIDEN STOLE THE ELECTION!!!”, well then there are still assholes who insist that Obama stole both elections. So there’s no reason to suspect that this will be any different.

Remember that Trump insisted that he also won the popular vote in 2016 but Hillary stole or invented millions of illegal votes.

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jamesfirecat  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:14:02pm

re: #170 dangerman

fwiw

dont think this nonsense ends on 12/8 (e/c safe harbor)
or 12/14 e/c votes
1/6/21 congress counts the e/c votes
or even 1/20/21 at 12:00:01pm

they cant give up

The nonsense won’t end, but the infinitesimally small chance it leads to a Trump being president for the next 4 years will.

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KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:15:12pm

re: #175 thedopefishlives

One thing we seem to constantly underestimate: Yes, Republicans are universally soulless, with absolutely no desire for anything except to enrich themselves and give themselves more power. But court justices are cut from a little bit different cloth. In a federal courtroom, the judge is God; they don’t need to enhance their own power, they have all of it. As a result, even the more wingnutty ones tend to rule with careful thought and consideration. We’re being surprised by the courts’ lack of action on Trump’s absurd claims, but that’s because courtrooms are more of a politics-free zone than even Trump realizes.

As “they” occasionally say about federal judges: The closest thing you get to feudalism today is the inside of a federal district courtroom.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:15:39pm

re: #178 jamesfirecat

The nonsense won’t end, but the infinitesimally small chance it leads to a Trump being president for the next 4 years will.

Trump will remain the President-in-Exile for True Patriots, that is his whole business plan, and that is why he cannot ever concede

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BeachDem  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:18:47pm

re: #166 dangerman

all of which has what to do with ‘corona virus relief’?

Well, according to their illogic (Rick Tim Scott for the loss) giving 100% deduction for business meals helps restaurants—because, I guess, unless you can deduct it, you won’t eat in a restaurant. You know—the IMPORTANT stuff.
EDIT—wrong idiot Scott, sorry. Hard to tell the players without a scorecard.

The money for private and religious schools is part of the School Choice bullshit pushed by, of course, Cruz, Alexander and Scott, so you KNOW it’s on the up and up.

The liability protection just speaks for itself—wouldn’t want Tyson to be sued for making their workers risk their lives to process meat, would you?

(I know you were asking rhetorically, but I couldn’t resist.)

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Dave In Austin  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:19:06pm

An FYI, I’m out at +/- 300 on any given thread on my I-11.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:21:21pm

re: #99 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

Amazing that Twitter is still rife with Trump dead-enders, screaming defiance and holding up “proof” like something something fractions algorithm Dominion something means Don The Con gets to be president for life

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Most of them are Russian botswarms.

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BeachDem  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:23:20pm

re: #171 Eventual Carrion

Yeah, like I said it started thinning out into the 70’s. Many in our church kept it up, many younger women didn’t. Even by mid 70’s my mom had quit doing it. But grandma did it till the day she died, as did many of her friends in the church. Plus the hat and veil thing was a fashion statement for many of them (and I am sure a bit of competition).

Fashion statement you say? Like these two ghouls at the Vatican?//

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:23:37pm
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KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:24:31pm

re: #181 BeachDem

Well, according to their illogic (Rick Scott for the loss) giving 100% deduction for business meals helps restaurants—because, I guess, unless you can deduct it, you won’t eat in a restaurant. You know—the IMPORTANT stuff.

The money for private and religious schools is part of the School Choice bullshit pushed by, of course, Cruz, Alexander and Scott, so you KNOW it’s on the up and up.

The liability protection just speaks for itself—wouldn’t want Tyson to be sued for making their workers risk their lives to process meat, would you?

(I know you were asking rhetorically, but I couldn’t resist.)

The only one I’m fine with is the business meal deduction. It’s probably fairly marginal, but it does help some businesses when outside sales people can call up a client and say “hey, lemme take you to lunch” or the boss decides to spring for lunch for the crew. It probably effects small businesses more, honestly, but it’s not something I would fight over on either side - like if the other side wanted it and I could get something for agreeing to it, fine; or if the other side demanded we give it up in exchange for them giving it up, also fine.

The other two are just stupid.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:25:39pm

re: #185 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Jokes have to be funny or sarcastic. That wasn’t a joke. It was a death threat and diGenova should be disbarred for making it.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:25:53pm

re: #167 jaunte

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Man, the things you miss when you go away and work half a day.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:27:51pm

Hours of screeching.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:27:55pm

re: #188 dangerman

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The longitude and latitude lines are screwing with my barcode reader on our Deep State seal.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:28:07pm

re: #140 Mattand

Something I’ve been thinking about for weeks: was our election security tight enough that Russia didn’t attempt the level of ratfuckery from 2016? Or did they try and it just wasn’t successful?

I might be conflating two different things, though. There was no evidence they actually manipulated any results last time. I can’t imagine this is any different. It just seems like the Fancy Bear-esque hacking of emails wasn’t as big an issue this time around.

I also wonder if Facebook and Twitter finally being shamed into calling Trump’s lies for what they are, for once, helped tamp any potential BS down.

Russia’s messing with the election didn’t involve ballot boxes. It involved playing on the fact that Hillary was a Clinton, a woman, served under a black man, a Democrat, and Hillary. It was social engineering. It wasn’t as successful this time because white man.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:28:16pm

Thread

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:28:30pm

re: #189 jaunte

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Hours of screeching.

Or fluffing

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:29:13pm

An anti-gay Hungarian politician has resigned after being caught by the police fleeing a 25-man orgy through a window

Okay…I’m kind of impressed.

Like, if you’re gonna be a bastard go large.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:30:45pm

re: #189 jaunte

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Hours of screeching.

Remember when AG Lynch said hi to Bill Clinton on a plane?

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:30:52pm

re: #194 The Ghost of a Flea

25-man orgy sounds like some kind of Mediterranean galley.

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KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:32:02pm

re: #191 Belafon

Russia’s messing with the election didn’t involve ballot boxes. It involved playing on the fact that Hillary was a Clinton, a woman, served under a black man, a Democrat, and Hillary. It was social engineering. It wasn’t as successful this time because white man.

Also, because Trump was a known entity this time around. There really were enough people four years ago that really did think “what do we have to lose?” or who rejected both major parties (remember, 2016 had the highest third party vote since Perot in 1996) or who just stayed home. Enough people recognized the shitshow that was the Trump Administration that almost all the Not Trump vote went to one person instead of multiple candidates.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:33:44pm

re: #195 Mike Lamb

Never before or since has the word tarmac been used so frequently in the WSJ.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:34:14pm

re: #194 The Ghost of a Flea

An anti-gay Hungarian politician has resigned after being caught by the police fleeing a 25-man orgy through a window

Okay…I’m kind of impressed.

Like, if you’re gonna be a bastard go large.

If Cops was filming there, the episode would have to be aired on Pornhub.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:35:24pm

re: #186 KGxvi

The only one I’m fine with is the business meal deduction. It’s probably fairly marginal, but it does help some businesses when outside sales people can call up a client and say “hey, lemme take you to lunch” or the boss decides to spring for lunch for the crew. It probably effects small businesses more, honestly, but it’s not something I would fight over on either side - like if the other side wanted it and I could get something for agreeing to it, fine; or if the other side demanded we give it up in exchange for them giving it up, also fine.

The other two are just stupid.

i hear you but i’m not seeing it

what tax rate is the average ‘business’ paying? (not the big guys. i know about them)
because the overall effect is 50% of the cost of meals adjusted by your tax rate

is anyone really gonna make advertising/goodwill/marketing/entertainment decisions based on that

if you’ve got net income, a $100 lunch at 100% deductible vs 50% and a 15% tax rate saves you $7.50 in tax

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:35:31pm

re: #186 KGxvi

The only one I’m fine with is the business meal deduction. It’s probably fairly marginal, but it does help some businesses when outside sales people can call up a client and say “hey, lemme take you to lunch” or the boss decides to spring for lunch for the crew. It probably effects small businesses more, honestly, but it’s not something I would fight over on either side - like if the other side wanted it and I could get something for agreeing to it, fine; or if the other side demanded we give it up in exchange for them giving it up, also fine.

The other two are just stupid.

Where I work, outside sales people calling you up to buy you lunch would violate the law.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:36:35pm

“Not to worry, Donald, I saw the inside of the White House for 8 years. Only way you’re ever going to see it again is with a visitor pass.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:36:48pm

re: #197 KGxvi

Also, because Trump was a known entity this time around. There really were enough people four years ago that really did think “what do we have to lose?” or who rejected both major parties (remember, 2016 had the highest third party vote since Perot in 1996) or who just stayed home. Enough people recognized the shitshow that was the Trump Administration that almost all the Not Trump vote went to one person instead of multiple candidates.

And yet, despite winning the popular vote by way more than 6 million votes, Biden won the electoral college by less than 44,000 votes. Lets hope that a few million lefties don’t decide that Biden or Harris is “exactly the same” as the fascist running against him or her in 2024.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:37:05pm

re: #187 Patricia Kayden

Jokes have to be funny or sarcastic. That wasn’t a joke. It was a death threat and diGenova should be disbarred for making it.

joke is always the plausible deniability post hoc explanation for when they get caught

which seems to be a lot quicker than someone can go out and do something

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:38:11pm

The Fidesz idiot reminded me of this bunch:

At least 41 people who attended a swingers gathering in New Orleans in November have tested positive for the coronavirus, according to the event’s organizer.

One of those attendees was hospitalized in serious condition but has since been released, said Bob Hannaford, the organizer of the annual Naughty in N’awlins swingers gathering. Most of the cases were asymptomatic or very mild, he said.

“If I could go back in time, I would not produce this event again,” he wrote Friday in a blog post about this year’s event. “I wouldn’t do it again if I knew then what I know now. It weighs on me and it will continue to weigh on me until everyone is 100% better.”

No shit!

nola.com

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:38:44pm

re: #203 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And yet, despite winning the popular vote by way more than 6 million votes, Biden won the electoral college by less than 44,000 votes. Lets hope that a few million lefties don’t decide that Biden or Harris is “exactly the same” as the fascist running against him or her in 2024.

Which states are you counting?

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:39:01pm

re: #169 William Lewis

I think having the people there conveys the scale of the window.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:39:48pm

re: #196 jaunte

25-man orgy sounds like some kind of Mediterranean galley.

Ship All Full of Men

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:40:18pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

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“Not to worry, Donald, I saw the inside of the White House for 8 years. Only way you’re ever going to see it again is with a visitor pass.”

Trump won’t be missed.

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KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:41:22pm

re: #200 dangerman

i hear you but i’m not seeing it

what tax rate is the average ‘business’ paying? (not the big guys. i know about them)
because the overall effect is 50% of the cost of meals adjusted by your tax rate

is anyone really gonna make advertising/goodwill/marketing/entertainment decisions based on that

if you’ve got net income, a $100 lunch at 100% deductible vs 50% and a 15% tax rate saves you $7.50 in tax

If you’re a small/relatively successful business and set up as a C-corp, you’re probably in one of the higher tax brackets. The question is how often are those lunches coming about? Again, with the caveat that the lunches are legal (hi re: #201 Belafon) if you have a sales force of, say 10, and they are each taking 1 client out to lunch per week, that $7.50 savings turns into $3,900 over the course of the year. And depending on the industry if 1% of those 520 lunches per year leads to increased sales, that’s probably a net positive for everyone.

Again, not a hill to die.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:42:00pm

re: #206 Belafon

Which states are you counting?

Wisconsin, Arizona and Georgia. If Trump had won all three, the electoral college would be tied, and the House would’ve reelected Trump, because each state delegation gets one vote.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:42:17pm

re: #194 The Ghost of a Flea

An anti-gay Hungarian politician has resigned after being caught by the police fleeing a 25-man orgy through a window

Okay…I’m kind of impressed.

Like, if you’re gonna be a bastard go large.

was the entire 25 man orgy going through the window? //

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:43:48pm

re: #198 jaunte

Never before or since has the word tarmac been used so frequently in the WSJ.

i remember at the time learning the difference between tarmac, macadam and asphalt

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:44:31pm

re: #212 dangerman

was the entire 25 man orgy going through the window? //

A few were probably trying to get back into the closet

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:44:40pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

I’m pretty sure that President Biden doesn’t care.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:45:50pm

re: #196 jaunte

25-man orgy sounds like some kind of Mediterranean galley.

One that would go in broad circles.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:46:44pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

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“Not to worry, Donald, I saw the inside of the White House for 8 years. Only way you’re ever going to see it again is with a visitor pass.”

i think they spelled tantrum wrong
ffs, it’s not a ‘boycott’

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:46:46pm

re: #212 dangerman

was the entire 25 man orgy going through the window? //

Would require a sharp jumpmaster.

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William Lewis  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:48:37pm

re: #207 lawhawk

I think having the people there conveys the scale of the window.

I can appreciate that thought, but for my tastes it doesn’t work. I suppose we could redress it as a stargate… ;)

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:48:59pm

re: #100 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This simply cannot stand.

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Damn shame those “pre-emptive” pardons have absolutely zero weight with state courts - and the most serious of the Trump clan crimes are at the state (specifically New York) level. Nice try, no cigar.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:51:07pm

It’s going to be dry, drier, and windy (and did I mention dry?) out here in the near future:

Prolonged Santa Ana wind conditions - locally strong Thursday - NWS San Diego

..

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:51:49pm

re: #210 KGxvi

If you’re a small/relatively successful business and set up as a C-corp, you’re probably in one of the higher tax brackets. The question is how often are those lunches coming about? Again, with the caveat that the lunches are legal (hi ) if you have a sales force of, say 10, and they are each taking 1 client out to lunch per week, that $7.50 savings turns into $3,900 over the course of the year. And depending on the industry if 1% of those 520 lunches per year leads to increased sales, that’s probably a net positive for everyone.

Again, not a hill to die.

oh im agreeing with you 100%

my experience is in general people dont make those kind of business decisions based on the tax effect

take away the skybox deduction, sure there’s gonna be some meetings and changes of plans

change the meal deductibility from 50 to 100, i dont see a significant change in behavior though maybe more of them order the lobster ;-)

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:52:45pm
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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:54:51pm

re: #215 Patricia Kayden

I’m pretty sure that President Biden doesn’t care.

we see what you did there

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:55:15pm

re: #112 makeitstop

More Parler wackiness…

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“Alexa, order more popcorn.”

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Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:55:58pm

re: #215 Patricia Kayden

I’m pretty sure that President Biden doesn’t care.

And quite possibly relieved that 1) he won’t have to be gracious to such a sore loser and 2) his health won’t be in danger since Trump seems to be a covid plague-rat, the ultimate super spreader.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:56:04pm

It may have already been posted that in October Barr made Durham a special counsel to make it harder for the next AG to fire him before he finishes his investigation of the investigation. Wingnuts believed there was a vast anti-Trump conspiracy that would be revealed, but so far he only nailed one low level attorney who altered an affidavit to continue surveillance of Carter Page. He is reportedly focused on trying to catch out FBI agents for any laws they might have broken, so the next AG should review what he has so far and if it amounts to nothing tell him to wrap it up. Just firing him would only provide grist for the conspiracy mill.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:58:14pm

re: #226 Teddy’s Person ✌

And quite possibly relieved that 1) he won’t have to be gracious to such a sore loser and 2) he’s health won’t be in danger since Trump seems to be a covid plague-rat, the ultimate super spreader.

Meanwhile, the WH is hosting a bunch of maskless, no social distancing holiday parties as the GOP makes merry one last time.

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BeenHereAwhile  Dec 1, 2020 • 2:59:52pm

re: #196 jaunte

25-man orgy sounds like some kind of Mediterranean galley.

Like a Trireme?

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:02:48pm

so earlier, quoted by CBS news, Biden introduces his economic team and says:

“A first-rate team that’s going to get us through this ongoing economic crisis and help us build the economy back, not just build it back, but build it back better than before… Our message to everybody struggling right now is help is on the way.”

note the contrasts

no self gloating, self gratification and actual praise for the team.

trump in caps: “I WILL FIX THIS MAGICALLY BECAUSE I AM AMAZING AND ONLY I CAN” (and later disavow any and all responsibility for the failures)

Biden says “I can’t do this by myself, so I will get the people who are specifically qualified to handle this to do the work needed”.

useless self-promoter vs real leader.

(what will the media do?)

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:03:31pm

re: #228 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Meanwhile, the WH is hosting a bunch of maskless, no social distancing holiday parties as the GOP makes merry one last time.

the way they’re playing with fire, for some it very well could be

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:04:58pm
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Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:05:34pm

re: #230 dangerman

(what will the media do?)

Criticize the Biden team for being too partisan. And they’ll do it with a straight face because they have no shame.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:06:21pm

re: #217 dangerman

i think they spelled tantrum wrong
ffs, it’s not a ‘boycott’

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I’m sure Biden is heartbroken that trump is not going to attend.

Personally, I’m thrilled. Keep typhoid Don far, far away.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:07:08pm

The Crime A Day boys are speeding up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:07:39pm

I gotta say, I’m surprised. I thought Barr would be willing to ride right over the cliff for Trump.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:07:44pm

re: #227 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It may have already been posted that in October Barr made Durham a special counsel to make it harder for the next AG to fire him before he finishes his investigation of the investigation. Wingnuts believed there was a vast anti-Trump conspiracy that would be revealed, but so far he only nailed one low level attorney who altered an affidavit to continue surveillance of Carter Page. He is reportedly focused on trying to catch out FBI agents for any laws they might have broken, so the next AG should review what he has so far and if it amounts to nothing tell him to wrap it up. Just firing him would only provide grist for the conspiracy mill.

Yep, give him the Barr/Mueller treatment. Tell him he has investigated enough.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:08:08pm

re: #235 jaunte

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The Crime A Day boys are speeding up.

JFC.

The brazenness of this.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:08:36pm

🎵 One of these days this boot is gonna walk all over Trump🎵

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:09:41pm

re: #235 jaunte

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The Crime A Day boys are speeding up.

Soon to be Crime Every Hour.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:09:43pm

re: #239 Teddy’s Person ✌

🎵 One of these days this boot is gonna walk all over Trump🎵

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He may be the oldest man ever elected as President of the United States, but you wouldn’t know it by watching him.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:09:51pm

tomorrow 6am forecast for 47 degrees. wtf florida?

i gotta break out the cold weather clothes
long sleeve hoodie, gloves, running tights etc. gah

yesterday it was 86! waah

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:10:32pm

re: #232 jaunte

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I agree with the compromised part, just not how he probably means it. I think Barr is evil not stupid. That’s what has made him dangerous over all these years.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:10:56pm

Some sobering Covid numbers:

The U.S. has now cleared 14 Million cases.

Per the worldometer data, we’re at nearly 2300 deaths today and several states have yet to report in.

Over 2300 dead in ONE FUCKING DAY.

THIS is what happens when hospitals start to get overwhelmed.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:11:40pm

re: #243 Eventual Carrion

Yes, I think he’s now playing to not get caught/do more damage in future. Which means Trump is more or less on his own.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:11:41pm

re: #235 jaunte

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The Crime A Day boys are speeding up.

Wonder who’s pardon was bought? Hmmmm

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thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:11:46pm

re: #242 dangerman

tomorrow 6am forecast for 47 degrees. wtf florida?

i gotta break out the cold weather clothes
long sleeve hoodie, gloves, running tights etc. gah

yesterday it was 86! waah

It’s going to be almost as cold there as it is here.

Oh wait, I’m comparing our high temperature to your morning one.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:11:55pm

re: #232 jaunte

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makes perfect sense because clearly, this is the only way to explain it:

…accusing Barr of joining “the Deep State and the Resistance” before saying this:

“He is either a liar or a fool or both. He may be - perhaps compromised.”

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Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:12:14pm

re: #246 Eventual Carrion

Wonder who’s pardon was bought? Hmmmm

All of them, Katie.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:12:22pm

re: #242 dangerman

The persistent high pressure out here in the west, which is forcing a jet stream over the mountain states to dig low into the TX/OK area, is part of the same processes that make the cold from the north dip southward over the eastern part of the US.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:13:03pm

re: #78 Teukka

What if he was butthead all along? 🤔 semi-///

Is he the right age to be Butt Head, all grown up and gone to Congress?

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:15:05pm

re: #247 thedopefishlives

It’s going to be almost as cold there as it is here.

Oh wait, I’m comparing our high temperature to your morning one.

i know i really have no right to complain.
and yet, i do anyway

i could wait till the sun comes up and warms things a bit…
meanwhile we will be closing windows tonight

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:15:06pm

re: #235 jaunte

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The Crime A Day boys are speeding up.

Transitioning president will need briefed on this.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:15:52pm
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:16:40pm

re: #241 thedopefishlives

He may be the oldest man ever elected as President of the United States, but you wouldn’t know it by watching him.

Yeah, but Obama would crush him in a game of one-on-one hoops :-)

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:16:41pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:16:46pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

There realistically is nothing for them to rule upon. Kelly’s lawsuit involved an amendment to the PA constitution, which is a state-level issue upon which the highest state court ruled. And that court’s ruling is that the PA GOP cannot wait until the amendment fucks them over before choosing to challenge its constitutionality.

The only other “pending” lawsuit in PA is the one where the only thing being appealed is the state judge not allowing the filing of an amended complaint. They even spelled out in their appeal to the Third Circuit that they’re not alleging “fraud.”

In the latter, the most the USSC bench could do is send it back down to the lower courts with an order to allow the amended filing. As for the former, there is no way they could swing a ruling in Kelly’s favor without taking a massive (and very public) shit on the idea of “states rights.”

Do you actually think that any of the 5 who voted against Cuomo really cares about states rights if it goes against Trump and the Republicans? They don’t care about their reputation or this nation. Corrupt every single one.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:18:01pm

From this motherfucker’s Mitch’s covid bill

It ends unilateral lending authority for the Federal Reserve and Treasury with any unspent funds, meaning President-elect Joe Biden won’t have any of that available. DKos

259
KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:19:18pm

re: #236 Eclectic Cyborg

I gotta say, I’m surprised. I thought Barr would be willing to ride right over the cliff for Trump.

Me too. I figured, given his age, this was his last hurrah. But maybe he has post AG plans after all? Maybe whatever law school or firm he thought he’d have a position at has told him he needs to distance himself from this crazy if he wants a gig?

And yeah, I’m more than willing to bet that some law school will offer him a job. Hell, Berkeley Law has John fucking Yoo on the faculty. I just really hope it won’t be my alma mater (who has already had Ken Starr as a visiting professor)

260
jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:19:31pm

“PardonMart has been raided and is experiencing some delays in service.
Your pardon request is very important to us, so please stay on the line for the next representative.”

261
Ace-o-aces  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:21:09pm
262
KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:21:42pm

re: #260 jaunte

“PardonMart has been raided and is experiencing some delays in service.
Your pardon request is very important to us, so please stay on the line for the next representative.”

There are currently…. 753 customers ahead of you in line, please press pound if you would like us to call you back when it is your turn, otherwise, please stay on the line for the next available representative

263
jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:21:50pm

Is there time for another impeachment before Christmas shopping is over?

264
thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:21:53pm

re: #261 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

I was going to say, that actually sounds like an amazing resume. I had to do a double take when I saw the name.

265
Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:22:51pm

re: #260 jaunte

“PardonMart has been raided and is experiencing some delays in service.
Your pardon request is very important to us, so please stay on the line for the next representative.”

Then Y.M.C.A. starts playing as hold musak

ed: speeling

266
Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:23:15pm

re: #262 KGxvi

There are currently…. 753 customers ahead of you in line, please press pound if you would like us to call you back when it is your turn, otherwise, please stay on the line for the next available representative

If you’re Ivanka, Jared, Junior or the other one, please proceed directly to the Oval Office to bend the knee.

267
Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:23:28pm

re: #232 jaunte

[Embedded content]

get used to it, Lou.

every day it’s gonna get a little worse for you and the Team.

Every day the gap between fantasy and reality is going to get a little wider.

Every day the illusion is going to get harder to maintain, and the number of your True Believers is going to diminish, sleak off to the next grift.

Might start thinking about how you’re going to land this plane and keep whatever is left of your sanity.

268
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:24:25pm

re: #256 jaunte

This is fascinating. Who ordered it? How was it executed? I can’t imagine Barr would have allowed it.

I’m really curious.

269
KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:24:36pm

re: #266 Teddy’s Person ✌

If you’re Ivanka, Jared, Junior or the other one, please proceed directly to the Oval Office to bend the knee.

All others, please have your credit card, bank account and routing numbers, or cyptocurrency information ready before the representative takes your call

(I could do this forever)

270
Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:27:04pm

re: #268 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This is fascinating. Who ordered it? How was it executed? I can’t imagine Barr would have allowed it.

I’m really curious.

Parler’s really going to go nuts

271
Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:27:09pm

re: #248 dangerman

[Embedded content]

Dobbs, the Q-balls, and other GRU assets are partly right when they screech “BARR IS DEEP STATE!”
The full statement: “BARR IS in DEEP shit, turns STATE’s evidence.”

272
sagehen  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:28:45pm

re: #254 jaunte

according to a court record unsealed on Tuesday by the chief judge of the DC District Court.

So… Merrick Garland?

273
Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:29:12pm

re: #267 Sir John Barron

get used to it, Lou.

every day it’s gonna get a little worse for you and the Team.

Every day the gap between fantasy and reality is going to get a little wider.

Every day the illusion is going to get harder to maintain, and the number of your True Believers is going to diminish, sleak off to the next grift.

Might start thinking about how you’re going to land this plane and keep whatever is left of your sanity.

Every day is going to require new and more outlandish claims about The Fraud, more “evidence”, more willing contributors to the con, more tales about how all the accumulating losses are all part of The Plan.

274
KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:30:43pm

re: #273 Sir John Barron

Every day is going to require new and more outlandish claims about The Fraud, more “evidence”, more willing contributors to the con, more tales about how all the accumulating losses are all part of The Plan.

I really do wonder at what point the scales fall from enough eyes for us to move on?

275
aatharuv  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:32:19pm

re: #268 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This is fascinating. Who ordered it? How was it executed? I can’t imagine Barr would have allowed it.

I’m really curious.

If I were on Parler, I’d be telling everyone how this is a coup by Bill Barr to put himself in the White House.

Or more likely Barr is finally trying to cut his losses, or at least that of the Republican party so that the next more competent fascist can try for the purple next time.

276
Ace-o-aces  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:33:01pm
277
jaunte  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:33:11pm
278
Jay C  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:35:02pm

re: #269 KGxvi

All others, please have your credit card, bank account and routing numbers, or cyptocurrency information ready before the representative takes your call

To help us better direct your call, please choose from the following options:
For financial crimes, please press 3
For political favoritism issues, please press 4
For election-related crimes, please press 5
If you are a registered member of the Administration Cronies and Nepotism Club, please press 6
Para español, oprima el numero 8

At Pardons-R-Us, your corruption is important to us, and we appreciate your patience…..”

279
Renaissance_Man  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:35:34pm

re: #274 KGxvi

I really do wonder at what point the scales fall from enough eyes for us to move on?

Never.

Only by removal from the source of the programming can people begin to deprogram. To do that, you have to cut off their access to their media. Otherwise they will literally die before changing their worldview.

280
Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:35:36pm

re: #277 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Why are they conspiring against MAGA POTUS instead of investigating the VOTE ELECTION FRAUD??!?!??!?!

281
DesertDenizen  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:36:14pm

re: #278 Jay C

To help us better direct your call, please choose from the following options:
For financial crimes, please press 3
For political favoritism issues, please press 4
For election-related crimes, please press 5
If you are a registered member of the Administration Cronies and Nepotism Club, please press 6
Para español, oprima el numero 8

At Pardons-R-Us, your corruption is important to us, and we appreciate your patience…..”

Like they’d tolerate any of those dirty furenners speakin’ eshpanol!

//

282
Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:37:13pm

re: #277 jaunte

[Embedded content]

every day just gets better and better, except for the increasing likelihood of violence from the cult.

283
jamesfirecat  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:37:44pm

re: #278 Jay C

To help us better direct your call, please choose from the following options:
For financial crimes, please press 3
For political favoritism issues, please press 4
For election-related crimes, please press 5
If you are a registered member of the Administration Cronies and Nepotism Club, please press 6
Para español, oprima el numero 8

At Pardons-R-Us, your corruption is important to us, and we appreciate your patience…..”

Why would the call line be that accommodating? I’d expect…

Para español … cuelgue y vuelva a llamar después de haber aprendido a hablar inglés como un verdadero estadounidense.

284
KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:37:50pm

I was just looking at vote totals by state that have been posted on wikipedia, and noticed something interesting. If about half a million people (total) moved to Wyoming, Montana, North and South Dakota, those four states could potentially become swing states. It’s weird how 125k is both a lot of people (about 125% of the Cheyenne metro area) and not that much at all (less than 1% of the Los Angeles metro area).

285
retired cynic  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:38:32pm

re: #284 KGxvi

I was just looking at vote totals by state that have been posted on wikipedia, and noticed something interesting. If about half a million people (total) moved to Wyoming, Montana, North and South Dakota, those four states could potentially become swing states. It’s weird how 125k is both a lot of people (about 125% of the Cheyenne metro area) and not that much at all (less than 1% of the Los Angeles metro area).

I live in hope.

286
KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:38:45pm

re: #281 DesertDenizen

Like they’d tolerate any of those dirty furenners speakin’ eshpanol!

//

nah, those calls get rerouted to ICE

287
🌹UOJB!  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:40:12pm

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Fuck Bill Mitchell.

He ought to ask my relatives who perished in the Holocaust.

288
DesertDenizen  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:40:38pm

re: #286 KGxvi

nah, those calls get rerouted to ICE

Speaking Spanish in a Montana gas station is apparently enough to get a visit from CBP after all.

289
BeenHereAwhile  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:40:39pm

re: #277 jaunte

Katelyn Polantz@kpolantz
NEW NEW: The Justice Dept is investigating a potentially criminal scheme of bribery for a presidential pardon.

LOTS redacted/unknown … but court records are here, released this afternoon by the DC District Court:

It’s called shaking the bushes to see what else falls out.

290
Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:40:43pm

re: #278 Jay C

To help us better direct your call, please choose from the following options:
For financial crimes, please press 3
For political favoritism issues, please press 4
For election-related crimes, please press 5
If you are a registered member of the Administration Cronies and Nepotism Club, please press 6
Para español, oprima el numero 8

At Pardons-R-Us, your corruption is important to us, and we appreciate your patience…..”

Pressing 8 just hangs up the call, doesn’t it?

/

291
makeitstop  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:41:04pm

re: #246 Eventual Carrion

Wonder who’s pardon was bought? Hmmmm

The war criminals’?

292
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:42:07pm

re: #277 jaunte

[Embedded content]

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:43:06pm

re: #284 KGxvi

I was just looking at vote totals by state that have been posted on wikipedia, and noticed something interesting. If about half a million people (total) moved to Wyoming, Montana, North and South Dakota, those four states could potentially become swing states. It’s weird how 125k is both a lot of people (about 125% of the Cheyenne metro area) and not that much at all (less than 1% of the Los Angeles metro area).

Someone like Bloomberg could significantly change American politics simply by opening high tech centers in a handful of low population red states.

294
Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:43:11pm

re: #292 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I really wonder if Rudy had something to do with this. He’d be evil and careless enough for something like this to happen.

295
BeachDem  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:43:12pm

re: #261 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Nikki goes on to say, There’s a saying that “personnel is policy”

Sooooooo, seeing what a successful bunch of criminals her latest boss put together “personnel-wise,” Nikki should probably STFD and STFU. (my evergreen view of Nikki Haley)

296
Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:43:12pm

re: #292 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Rudy, is that you?

297
Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:43:59pm

re: #261 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Look at Nikki, getting ready to send out all the 2024 invites

298
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:46:12pm

re: #287 🌹UOJB!

Fuck Bill Mitchell.

He ought to ask my relatives who perished in the Holocaust.

How do you go from having relatives dying in the Holocaust to praying for enemies to die?

299
DesertDenizen  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:46:43pm

re: #297 Sir John Barron

Like the misogynistic racists in the Republican Party (in other words, all of them), would ever accept a brown woman as their nominee. Keep dreaming Nikki.

300
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:46:45pm

re: #297 Sir John Barron

Yup. Her, Rubio, and others who are starting to whine about Biden and appointments are all trying to take that brass ring from Trump.

They all want to be the 2024 candidate.

Trump may have other plans though.

301
thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:47:57pm

re: #292 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

[Embedded content]

Ho-ly SHIT. But then, I’ve said that before. I’m still waiting for something to actually stick to ol’ Teflon Don.

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KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:48:14pm

re: #293 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Someone like Bloomberg could significantly change American politics simply by opening high tech centers in a handful of low population red states.

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. I mean, I get why it doesn’t happen, people tend to want to be where the people are, and the weather in LA is better than just about anywhere else in the country.

Relatedly, I always kind of wondered why some big tech firm didn’t move into Detroit, buy a bunch of distressed houses, fix them up and give them to employees as signing/transfer bonuses.

303
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:48:42pm

re: #300 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Yup. Her, Rubio, and others who are starting to whine about Biden and appointments are all trying to take that brass ring from Trump.

They all want to be the 2024 candidate.

Trump may have other plans though.

If Trump is not in prison and still has some shreds of a mind (it doesn’t take much; he barely functions now), he is the 2024 nominee.

304
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:48:58pm

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, so stupid.

But the fact is contrary to what Mitchell asserts.

We did in fact shut down a great part of “the economy” to retool it for war.

305
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:49:05pm

re: #290 Eclectic Cyborg

Pressing 8 just hangs up the call, doesn’t it?

/

They couldn’t prove they were human.

306
KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:50:05pm

re: #303 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If Trump is not in prison and still has some shreds of a mind (it doesn’t take much; he barely functions now), he is the 2024 nominee.

(still think he runs third party out of petty grievance for the GOP electeds not fighting hard enough for him - same reason I think he’s going to undermine their efforts in Georgia)

307
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:50:11pm

re: #303 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump may be too disabled by then to run. If that is the case then Trump will push Donny Jr. to take his place. Otherwise Trump and his cronies will find some other puppet.

308
Romantic Heretic  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:50:24pm

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

Comedians doing better interviews than 90% of actual journalists.

Comedians aren’t beholden to those with power for ‘access’.

They can work no matter what those with power want.

309
🌹UOJB!  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:52:10pm

re: #307 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Trump may be too disabled by then to run. If that is the case then Trump will push Donny Jr. to take his place. Otherwise Trump and his cronies will find some other puppet.

Not gonna be Donny Jr. Evangelicals are pushing Princess Ivanka.

310
Belafon  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:52:19pm

re: #307 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Trump may be too disabled by then to run. If that is the case then Trump will push Donny Jr. to take his place. Otherwise Trump and his cronies will find some other puppet.

Jr is too dumb by even Trump standards to draw the crowds dad does.

311
KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:53:41pm

re: #309 🌹UOJB!

Not gonna be Donny Jr. Evangelicals are pushing Princess Ivanka.

re: #310 Belafon

Jr is too dumb by even Trump standards to draw the crowds dad does.

Rick Wilson thinks Jr is the heir apparent because, as he says, “junior speaks fluent asshole, and that’s what that base wants”

312
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:53:46pm
313
thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:54:26pm

re: #312 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

[Embedded content]

Oh shit, it’s Rudy. He’s fucked.

314
KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:55:35pm

re: #313 thedopefishlives

Oh shit, it’s Rudy. He’s fucked.

Either Rudy or someone working for Flynn?

315
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:56:22pm

re: #313 thedopefishlives

Oh shit, it’s Rudy. He’s fucked.

Could be Stone or Flynn.

316
jamesfirecat  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:57:11pm

re: #314 KGxvi

Either Rudy or someone working for Flynn?

Flynn would make the most sense/IE they couldn’t properly reveal this evidence/charge until the pardon had been actually given…

317
thedopefishlives  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:58:13pm

re: #315 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Could be Stone or Flynn.

I suppose. I read it as the attorney was seeking the presidential pardon for himself, but I guess a better reading is that the attorney was offering a bribe to get his client a pardon.

318
KGxvi  Dec 1, 2020 • 3:59:35pm

Here’s the list of Trump pardons, for those who want to do some conjecture…

I forgot he pardoned Kerik… there’s someone shady enough to try and buy a pardon.

319
Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:00:41pm

re: #318 KGxvi

Here’s the list of Trump pardons, for those who want to do some conjecture…

I forgot he pardoned Kerik… there’s someone shady enough to try and buy a pardon.

Kerik has also been hanging around the “hearings” of voter fraud.

320
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:00:43pm

re: #317 thedopefishlives

I suppose. I read it as the attorney was seeking the presidential pardon for himself, but I guess a better reading is that the attorney was offering a bribe to get his client a pardon.

I want Stone to spend the rest of his days in prison.

Flynn deserves to spend the rest of his days in prison. Along with Trump, Junior, double Junior and princess nepotista.

Rudy deserves to spend the to of his days at Bedlam. Along with Powell.

321
2020 Blue Wisconsin  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:00:54pm

re: #312 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Pardon for Charles Kushner, Jared’s daddy?

322
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:04:10pm

re: #318 KGxvi

Here’s the list of Trump pardons, for those who want to do some conjecture…

I forgot he pardoned Kerik… there’s someone shady enough to try and buy a pardon.

Conrad Black has a ton of cash. Michael Milkin, too.

323
Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:05:07pm

Still fucking pisses me off that he pardoned Susan B Anthony.

324
BeenHereAwhile  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:05:26pm

re: #292 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

southpaw@nycsouthpaw
Just an incredible, tectonic scoop by @kpolantz: dcd.uscourts.gov

Feds are seeking to remove redacteds’ attorney-client privilege from seized comunications and documents.

325
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:05:54pm

re: #306 KGxvi

(still think he runs third party out of petty grievance for the GOP electeds not fighting hard enough for him - same reason I think he’s going to undermine their efforts in Georgia)

Naw, no reason for him to run 3rd party when all of the GOP voters belong to him. He would have to recreate the RNC from scratch, and Trump is a lazy parasite.

326
Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:07:01pm

re: #325 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Naw, no reason for him to run 3rd party when all of the GOP voters belong to him. He would have to recreate the RNC from scratch, and Trump is a lazy parasite.

I thought Jr and his squeeze were already angling to take over the RNC.

327
Belafon  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:07:49pm

A thought: they should write Page’s transition into his Umbrella Academy character.

328
Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:07:58pm

re: #323 Teddy’s Person ✌

Still fucking pisses me off that he pardoned Susan B Anthony.

But doing something to a woman that she doesn’t want is Trump’s brand.

329
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:08:17pm

re: #312 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

[Embedded content]

That sounds like Rudy.

330
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:09:14pm

re: #314 KGxvi

Either Rudy or someone working for Flynn?

Sidney Powell? Delicious.

331
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:10:32pm
332
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:10:50pm

re: #326 Teddy’s Person ✌

I thought Jr and his squeeze were already angling to take over the RNC.

Exactly.

333
Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:11:57pm

re: #326 Teddy’s Person ✌

I thought Jr and his squeeze were already angling to take over the RNC.

well, Junior could use gainful employment and needs the experience the job would provide.

/

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:11:57pm

re: #303 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If Trump is not in prison and still has some shreds of a mind (it doesn’t take much; he barely functions now), he is the 2024 nominee.

Perfect!! Trump should run in every election and keep dragging Republicans down.

335
Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:12:43pm

re: #331 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

[Embedded content]

336
Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:14:00pm

re: #335 Teddy’s Person ✌

[Embedded content]

so, has Flynn been pardoned for trying to bribe his way into a pardon?

337
Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:20:48pm

re: #336 Sir John Barron

so, has Flynn been pardoned for trying to bribe his way into a pardon?

If you succeed in buying a pardon for any and all crimes, including buying pardons, is your pardon still good or do you just disappear up your own ass? Asking for a Republican.

338
Teddy's Person  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:22:57pm

re: #336 Sir John Barron

so, has Flynn been pardoned for trying to bribe his way into a pardon?

Depends on how you interpret the language of his pardon.

339
FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 1, 2020 • 4:58:34pm

re: #292 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

[Embedded content]

A Trump-brand indulgence is the best indulgence your money can buy.
///

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 1, 2020 • 5:20:52pm

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The KLF - Justified & Ancient (Official Video)The KLF - Justified & Ancient (Official Video) An Atlas AdventureDirected by Bill ButtKLF Communications Listen to Solid State Logik 1: smarturl.it
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Freddie Washington 2010 KSBR Bash If you listen to music at all, then you've heard Freddie & probably liked it. He's played or toured with Herbie Hancock, Michael Jackson, Al Jarreau, Aaron Neville, Lionel Richie, Anita Baker, B.B. King, Elton John, Stevie Wonder, Whitney ...
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Barry Gibb - Too Much Heaven (Visualizer) Ft. Alison Krauss ‘GREENFIELDS The Gibb Brothers Songbook, Vol. 1’ out now: barrygibb.lnk.to Listen to more Barry Gibb here: barrygibb.lnk.to... Socials -Facebook: facebook.com...Twitter: @GibbBarryInstagram: instagram.com... #barrygibb #greenfields Music video by Barry Gibb performing Too Much Heaven (Visualizer). A Capitol Records Release; © ...
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 210110We received the second check valve and installed it.It works as it should.They should both ease up the startup workload on the small pumps.We can forget about this for a while or longer. We bought a bunch more plants. Some ...
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No One’s Disciple — Theremin Trees A reflection on something of special importance at this time: the dangers of magical heroes, human and divine. You can support the channel at: patreon.com--0:00 the importance of individuality4:08 heroes, harmful and helpful6:29 religious disciples7:22 a little learning9:20 hero ...
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