Wanna Worry About Asteroids? These Are the Ones to Worry About

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Stephen Hawking thought an asteroid impact posed the greatest threat to life on Earth. Thanks to Kiwico for sponsoring this video. For 50% off your first month of any crate, go to kiwico.com
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Special thanks to:
Prof. Dave Jewitt from UCLA Earth, Planetary, and Space Sciences
Prof. Mark Boslough from Sandia National Labs
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Ryan Wyatt at Morrison Planetarium
Prof. Amy Mainzer
Alexandr Ivanov for the opening shot of Chelyabinsk Meteor

Maps of Asteroid Impacts —ve42.co

Time passing animation from Universe Sandbox - universesandbox.com

Opposition Effect — ve42.co
Belskaya, I. N., & Shevchenko, V. G. (2000). Opposition effect of asteroids. Icarus, 147(1), 94-105.

Potentially Hazardous Asteroids — ve42.co
Perna, D., Barucci, M. A., & Fulchignoni, M. (2013). The near-Earth objects and their potential threat to our planet. The Astronomy and Astrophysics Review, 21(1), 65.

Survey of Potentially Hazardous Asteroids — ve42.co

Population Vulnerability — ve42.co
Rumpf, C. M., Lewis, H. G., & Atkinson, P. M. (2017). Population vulnerability models for asteroid impact risk assessment. Meteoritics & Planetary Science, 52(6), 1082-1102.

Size distribution of NEOs — ve42.co
Trilling, D. E., Valdes, F., Allen, L., James, D., Fuentes, C., Herrera, D., … & Rajagopal, J. (2017). The size distribution of near-earth objects larger than 10 m. The Astronomical Journal, 154(4), 170.

2020 NEOWISE Data Release — ve42.co

National Research Council Report— ve42.co
Board, S. S., & National Research Council. (2010). Defending planet earth: Near-Earth-Object surveys and hazard mitigation strategies. National Academies Press.

Tug Boat — ve42.co
Schweickart, R. L., Lu, E. T., Hut, P., & Chapman, C. R. (2003). The asteroid tugboat. Scientific American, 289(5), 54-61.

Gravity Tractor 1 — ve42.co
Lu, E. T., & Love, S. G. (2005). Gravitational tractor for towing asteroids. Nature, 438(7065), 177-178.

Laser Ablation — ve42.co
Thiry, N., & Vasile, M. (2014). Recent advances in laser ablation modelling for asteroid deflection methods. SPIE Optical Engineering+ Applications, 922608-922608.

Yarakovsky Effect — ve42.co

DART Mission — ve42.co

Nuclear 1 — ve42.co
Ahrens, T. J., & Harris, A. W. (1992). Deflection and fragmentation of near-Earth asteroids. Nature, 360(6403), 429-433.

Nuclear 2 — ve42.co
Bradley, P. A., Plesko, C. S., Clement, R. R., Conlon, L. M., Weaver, R. P., Guzik, J. A., … & Huebner, W. F. (2010, January). Challenges of deflecting an asteroid or comet nucleus with a nuclear burst. In AIP Conference Proceedings (Vol. 1208, No. 1, pp. 430-437). American Institute of Physics.

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321 comments
1
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 4, 2020 • 5:49:41pm

FT hard

re: #212 lawhawk

According to the experts over at freerepublik, this mild virus is just pushing people over the edge that were going to die soon anyway. Death rate in life is 100%, ya know?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 4, 2020 • 5:52:01pm

It. Never. Fucking. Ends.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2020 • 5:55:36pm

re: #2 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It. Never. Fucking. Ends.

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Not until lawyers suffer disbarment will they stop.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:04:11pm

Today’s Covid numbers, excluding Nebraska.

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gocart mozart  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:08:58pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:10:23pm

Remember when a deadly unstoppable pandemic seemed as unlikely as an asteroid strike? Seems so long ago.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:16:39pm

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

Remember when a deadly unstoppable pandemic seemed as unlikely as an asteroid strike? Seems so long ago.

Are you talking about that Corona thing that we went through and totally finished back last Spring? That really sucked, thanks to Pres. Trump for writing me a check instead of writing one to the illegals like the Dems wanted.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:17:08pm

Have you guys heard Todd Rundgren’s Christmas song yet?

Flappie

Better than ‘Wonderful Christmastime.’

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b.d. (We Won!)  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:21:49pm

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:23:14pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:26:50pm
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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:29:24pm

re: #11 jaunte

You don’t jam Kash Patel in there at the last minute and stonewall if you don’t have something to hide. Something you are trying to bury.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:30:04pm

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

Remember when a deadly unstoppable pandemic seemed as unlikely as an asteroid strike? Seems so long ago.

Accounting for both the scale of the disaster and its likelihood of occurrence, Republicans are a much greater threat than asteroids.

Sure a major asteroid impact can end things in a way that even Republicans likely can’t do, but the probability of a future Republican disaster is 1.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:31:43pm

re: #12 retired cynic

You don’t jam Kash Patel in there at the last minute and stonewall if you don’t have something to hide. Something you are trying to bury.

It’s a puzzle what that could be — Trump’s corrupt money flows weren’t through the pentagon AFAIK.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:35:56pm

Here is what some people in PA are trying to do.
whyy.org

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:39:45pm

re: #16 PhillyPretzel

Here is what some people in PA are trying to do.
whyy.org

“Pa. GOP leaders urge congress to ‘object’ to electoral college vote — Dems call it ‘desperation’”

Bothsiderism

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:41:37pm

re: #11 jaunte

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The effort is to start stuffing staff positions with as many loony-bird Trump sycophants in order to install their own “Deep State”. This has been a conspiracy-minded right wing creation now being made a reality -imagined by the usual amount of pure projection Conservatives are famous for.

Sure Biden can fire the top dogs quickly, but rooting out the rot that exists in supporting positions that right now are being installed takes time and some will be clever enough to hide their disdain for most of the country until it is too late and their damage is done.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:45:01pm

re: #18 Florida Panhandler

The effort is to start stuffing staff positions with as many loony-bird Trump sycophants in order to install their own “Deep State”. This has been a conspiracy-minded right wing creation now being made a reality -imagined by the usual amount of pure projection Conservatives are famous for.

Sure Biden can fire the top dogs quickly, but rooting out the rot that exists in supporting positions that right now are being installed takes time and some will be clever enough to hide their disdain for most of the country until it is too late and their damage is done.

He appointed Lewandowski this afternoon.

They’re there to destroy records.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:47:15pm

re: #18 Florida Panhandler

I’m hoping the professionals are keeping an eye on them.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:48:34pm

re: #18 Florida Panhandler

It’s not really that hard to tell who’s been hired in the last six months.

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Semper Fi  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:49:14pm

re: #19 makeitstop

He appointed Lewandowski this afternoon.

They’re there to destroy records.

That’s scary cus it implies they have their instructions.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:49:20pm

Scattering as many secrets to the wind as possible.

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gwangung  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:50:12pm

re: #19 makeitstop

He appointed Lewandowski this afternoon.

They’re there to destroy records.

Government administration have developed techniques that make it very hard to destroy records. They’re DESIGNED for redundancies. I wonder how successful they’ll be. Particularly if there are lower and middle level staff who aren’t particularly inclined to cover that kind of stuff up. (Doesn’t mean they’re stupid enough to try, though…)

Wonder if they’re up to anything else, though….

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:52:56pm

re: #12 retired cynic

You don’t jam Kash Patel in there at the last minute and stonewall if you don’t have something to hide. Something you are trying to bury.

Or something in the works, like a deniable attack on Natanz.

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:53:42pm

re: #18 Florida Panhandler

Sure Biden can fire the top dogs quickly, but rooting out the rot that exists in supporting positions that right now are being installed takes time and some will be clever enough to hide their disdain for most of the country until it is too late and their damage is done.

Wouldn’t payroll records be able to pull up a list of everyone hired between chosen dates?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2020 • 6:55:31pm

re: #18 Florida Panhandler

The effort is to start stuffing staff positions with as many loony-bird Trump sycophants in order to install their own “Deep State”. This has been a conspiracy-minded right wing creation now being made a reality -imagined by the usual amount of pure projection Conservatives are famous for.

Sure Biden can fire the top dogs quickly, but rooting out the rot that exists in supporting positions that right now are being installed takes time and some will be clever enough to hide their disdain for most of the country until it is too late and their damage is done.

What if the reasons for this obstacle are even more malign? What if they are actually going to try to implement martial law, overturn the election results, and have a new election that will guarantee a Trump win? Pompeo had stated clearly that there wasn’t going to be a transition to a new president. Don’t say that the military will never consent — we don’t know what kind of nefarious plans Trumpworld has placed in motion. At least one of the new Trump nominees favors this proposal.

Alternatively they could be planning a strike against Iran, and that is definitely something they would not want to reveal to the incoming administration.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:01:37pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:03:15pm

re: #28 Dread Pirate Ron

That is the most likely case. They did not want to insult DT.

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:05:45pm

re: #27 Hecuba’s daughter

A strike against Iran would normally mean months of troops and ship deployments in preparation along with a whole suite of moving covert assets. Surely something would have leaked by now if this sort of thing were happening.

The clumsy assassination of the top Iran nuclear scientist recently points to a haphazard temper tantrum by Trump with no thought process whatsoever except to stomp his feet, bellow, and throw feces on his way out.

An actual strike order on Iran at this point would certainly get immediate pushback by even the most hawkish generals and would let McConnell know about it. Striking Iran with no elevated means of dealing with the certain immediate regional blowback and American body bags coming home is something even the most Conservative asshole doesn’t want to starting off a new term trying to grift GOP doners.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:06:28pm
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dangerman  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:07:39pm

re: #28 Dread Pirate Ron

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some of us have been doing this for all nine months

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:08:02pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

“Therefore, we promise to be harder on Biden’s administration and make sure they won’t discriminate against white people.”

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:08:45pm

Nice, very Kellyanne of them.

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dangerman  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:08:49pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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…but there was money to be made…

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:09:15pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Fuck you, NYT.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:12:46pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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We have been saying this literally every day for FOUR GODDAMN FUCKING YEARS. Do you idiots in the press have ANY IDEA what the rest of us have had to go through in the meantime? Of course not; you’ve had your content pre-scripted for you, your paychecks guaranteed as you both-siderized the reality TV show that is the Trump Administration, always assured that there would be a new scandal to compare to Obama or Bill Clinton, while we have been out here LITERALLY DYING because of the evil that this administration has perpetrated. Go fuck yourselves, every last one of you, with a particularly large cactus.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:13:45pm

re: #37 thedopefishlives

Oh, yeah!

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:14:42pm

re: #30 Florida Panhandler

A strike against Iran would normally mean months of troops and ship deployments in preparation along with a whole suite of moving covert assets. Surely something would have leaked by now if this sort of thing were happening.

The clumsy assassination of the top Iran nuclear scientist recently points to a haphazard temper tantrum by Trump with no thought process whatsoever except to stomp his feet, bellow, and throw feces on his way out.

An actual strike order on Iran at this point would certainly get immediate pushback by even the most hawkish generals and would let McConnell know about it. Striking Iran with no elevated means of dealing with the certain immediate regional blowback and American body bags coming home is something even the most Conservative asshole doesn’t want to starting off a new term trying to grift GOP doners.

There is this neat plane called a B-2
To find it you’ll need ArtooDetoo
It’s smooth as a button
And it don’t leave nuttin’
But stiffs, and big holes, and debris, too.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:15:10pm

re: #38 retired cynic

Oh, yeah!

I might be a little bit pissed, both in the American and British sense of the word. I really don’t care. Fuck the mainstream media. They weren’t there for us when we needed them the most.

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:16:21pm

re: #33 Belafon

“Therefore, we promise to be harder on Biden’s administration and make sure they won’t discriminate against white people.”

“… and promise to hold Biden’s and every other President’s feet to the fire …until the next Republican President comes along.”

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:16:29pm

re: #39 austin_blue

There is this neat plane called a B-2
To find it you’ll need ArtooDetoo
It’s smooth as a button
And it don’t leave nuttin’
But stiffs, and big holes, and debris, too.

With a BIG hat tip to Tom Pynchon.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:16:55pm
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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:17:32pm

re: #27 Hecuba’s daughter

What if the reasons for this obstacle are even more malign? What if they are actually going to try to implement martial law, overturn the election results, and have a new election that will guarantee a Trump win?

I think they’d need people who are a little - scratch that, a lot - more competent than Corey Lewandowski and Kash Patel.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:17:33pm
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b.d. (We Won!)  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:18:15pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Not to worry, they’ll make up all their shortcomings with Biden,

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:18:17pm

Remember this face and name and NEVER HIRE HIM AS AN ATTORNEY.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:18:36pm

Hang in there everyone…

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:20:29pm

re: #48 William Lewis

Looks like right out my kitchen window, except less steep and fewer rocks.

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:20:54pm

re: #48 William Lewis

Hang in there everyone…

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Cats? Owls?

An owl and a cat?

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:21:26pm

re: #48 William Lewis

Hang in there everyone…

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The woods of Midwest America have always been my go-to place for mental relaxation and recharge. I spent hours, even days, alone in the woods as a teenager, on campouts or just seeking solace. There’s something about the underbrush of a Midwest forest that just soothes my soul when I see it, like, “You’re home, out here is where you are safe and away from stupid people at last.”

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:21:55pm

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:23:38pm
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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:32:21pm
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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:33:02pm

re: #54 Amory Blaine

THERE is a favorite.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:36:07pm

re: #55 retired cynic

Beauty, everywhere.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:38:51pm

re: #56 Amory Blaine

Boy, as soon as it ended, the coyotes outside started up howling. Just on cue.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:39:27pm

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:41:01pm

re: #54 Amory Blaine

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Video

Damn near every 70’s~80’s country cliché and yet it still is one of the best country songs of that era. The piano really helps. Thanks.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:46:17pm

re: #52 jaunte

They don’t really understand what happened with Flynn, do they?

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:47:35pm

re: #58 thedopefishlives

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:49:29pm

re: #61 William Lewis

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:52:18pm

Sweet meteor of death, cleanse me.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:52:51pm

re: #63 Amory Blaine

!?

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:53:38pm

re: #64 retired cynic

Re: OP

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 7:55:44pm

“Pour your misery down on me”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:00:26pm

This woman. Famous for all the wrong reasons.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:01:53pm

All conservativedom is garbage. We all know where it’s heading.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:08:39pm

Just saw on the news that King Ranch is up for sale, all 225 square miles of it.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:12:26pm

re: #69 Belafon

Just saw on the news that King Ranch is up for sale, all 225 square miles of it.

Let’s see, quarter acer plots each called a King Ranch estate so start at $1,000,000 per plot just for the land, get some GOP has been to hawk them, I bet you could make a lot of money from gullible right wingers. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:13:36pm

re: #58 thedopefishlives

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:14:17pm
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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:16:35pm

I’m coming to terms, if my old man gets the rona surrounding him, it’s game over. He’s dead.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:16:38pm

re: #72 Amory Blaine

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Mmm. I liked that band a lot in those days. I’ve grown in different ways since then.

This was always my favorite of theirs.

Styx - Pieces of Eight

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:17:09pm

Meanwhile in the 21st century:

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:19:04pm

California had 24,138 new cases and 202 new deaths today, both record breakers.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:19:31pm
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🌹UOJB!  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:21:26pm

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:21:55pm

this came across my twitter feed. Seems possible.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:32:00pm

Biden is a good man, with vision. IMO he isn’t rightly equipped with the cynicism to properly deal with these criminals. The states will only pick up so much slack. I don’t know if america has what it takes to hold democracy.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:33:13pm

re: #10 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

They’re purifying the narrative. All fanatics do that.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:35:31pm
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jamesfirecat  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:36:12pm

re: #80 Amory Blaine

Biden is a good man, with vision. IMO he isn’t rightly equipped with the cynicism to properly deal with these criminals. The states will only pick up so much slack. I don’t know if america has what it takes to hold democracy.

No preemptive submission.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:37:03pm
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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:38:15pm

re: #83 jamesfirecat

OK. he he. It’s not submission, it’s a challenge.

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Interesting Times  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:38:33pm

re: #80 Amory Blaine

Biden is a good man, with vision. IMO he isn’t rightly equipped with the cynicism to properly deal with these criminals.

This is where I’m hoping VP-elect Harris can pick up the slack, given Biden said he’s consulted her on every major decision so far.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:40:28pm
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Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:43:02pm

re: #75 jaunte

That is so cool.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:48:47pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2020 • 8:58:06pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:01:03pm

NYT last week: “We are going to subject Biden to the same level of scrutiny and criticism that we leveled at Trump!”

NYT this week: “WE TOTALLY FUCKED UP OUR COVERAGE OF TRUMP!”

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:09:10pm

Update

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:14:41pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:14:47pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:22:11pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:23:27pm

re: #94 jaunte

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IMHO, the simplest explanation is the one we heard so many times in the media: “I like what he’s doing, but I wish he’d stop saying mean things on Twitter/TV/in person!”

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:35:16pm

re: #94 jaunte

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It’s because the Lincoln Project was able to get a chunk of Republicans to split their tickets for Joe yet they voted GOP down the rest of the ballot.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:36:54pm

re: #90 Dave In Austin

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Ding ding ding.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:39:38pm

I just can’t even with these people anymore!

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:42:11pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:45:46pm

re: #99 Ace-o-aces

I’m honestly shocked none of these GOP assholes have died of Covid yet.

And yes I know Herman Cain did but I am talking like Mcconnell, Graham, Jordan, Gaetz, Paul, Cruz, etc.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:45:56pm
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Jack Burton  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:51:11pm

re: #99 Ace-o-aces

He’s now officially dumber than Louie Gohmert.

I didn’t think that was possible, like Gohmert was absolute zero… an asymptotic point.

Apparently not.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:53:59pm

re: #18 Florida Panhandler

The effort is to start stuffing staff positions with as many loony-bird Trump sycophants in order to install their own “Deep State”. This has been a conspiracy-minded right wing creation now being made a reality -imagined by the usual amount of pure projection Conservatives are famous for.

Sure Biden can fire the top dogs quickly, but rooting out the rot that exists in supporting positions that right now are being installed takes time and some will be clever enough to hide their disdain for most of the country until it is too late and their damage is done.

I don’t see a problem here. Everyone that was installed by Trump should be removed, unless there’s a compelling reason otherwise. There’s certainly no need for case by case evaluations where we wait and see these saboteurs do damage before taking action.

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:55:08pm

re: #103 Jack Burton

He’s now officially dumber than Louie Gohmert.

I didn’t think that was possible, like Gohmert was absolute zero… an asymptotic point.

Apparently not.

It is possible. There are Republicans who out-asshole Gohmert Pyle!

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:55:59pm

re: #99 Ace-o-aces

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I just can’t even with these people anymore!

Meanwhile, the millions of “essential” employees who will be expected to work part or all of Christmas day because capitalism never sleeps roll their eyes and make wanking motions at this “IF I CAN’T TRAVEL TO GIVE MY RELATIVES COVID, THEN CHRISTMAS IS CANCELED!!!” horseshit.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:56:06pm

re: #103 Jack Burton

There’s still plenty of time for my new abject moron congressperson Lauren Boebert to inherit the mantle of stupidest person in Congress.

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 4, 2020 • 9:58:09pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

Oh she’s got competition from that QAnon asshole from Georgia and the Nazi in a wheelchair from North Carolina…

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2020 • 10:09:14pm

re: #103 Jack Burton

He’s now officially dumber than Louie Gohmert.

I didn’t think that was possible, like Gohmert was absolute zero… an asymptotic point.

Apparently not.

My opinion of Republicans has been galloping off to negative infinity at a rate of at least 20% per week for Trump’s entire term, 50% per week since the election.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:02:01pm

[well, that didn’t work right, lemee try again, pesky private comment section]

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:06:20pm
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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:08:56pm
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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:10:33pm

re: #113 Sherlock Hound

The Epoch Times is utterly dishonest, so I’m sure Pack found receptive editors for his lies there.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:10:53pm

re: #103 Jack Burton

He’s now officially dumber than Louie Gohmert.

I didn’t think that was possible, like Gohmert was absolute zero… an asymptotic point.

Apparently not.

There is no bottom to conservatism. Each has to out-conservative the other, and the whole society suffers for that.

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A Three Hour Tour  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:11:21pm

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m honestly shocked none of these GOP assholes have died of Covid yet.

And yes I know Herman Cain did but I am talking like Mcconnell, Graham, Jordan, Gaetz, Paul, Cruz, etc.

Neither God nor Satan wants them in their domains.

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:11:40pm

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:19:44pm

Okay, heresy time, because it’s me and that’s what I do.

Growing up with a bunch of girls for playmates (only my family, and my sister and first cousins are all girls), I was somewhat familiar with “girl toys” of the Sixties and Seventies.

One of those toys was the foldout books made of plastic where cutouts from it would adhere to similar plastic. Those were made into books of dress-up dolls, where you could take clothes and jewellery and bling and stick them on prints of men or women. (Dress the woman in cowboy outfits and spurs, the men in ballerina tutus or evening dresses, get clocked by your cousins and sister upside the head, that sort of thing.)

A similar kind of toy existed with paper punch-out or cutout clothes with tabs to fold over cardboard figures (with which you could also put the manly man in a corset).

So it comes as no surprise but humour that someone has done a religious version of this with Jesus. They made a dress-up Website where you can move different clothing items, wigs, BDSM gear, &c over to dress him up.

You can also print out the page or create the paper cutouts as described above with the page.

jesusdressup.com

Or if you’d rather dress him up as other gods (just to make sure you’re worshipping the right one)

jesusdressup.com

If there is a hell, I will burn in it. /s

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:22:16pm

re: #113 Sherlock Hound

Pack is a conservative, therefore he must be a liar: VOA is specifically constituted under law to be non-partisan.

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:27:12pm

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Cheechako  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:28:16pm

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m honestly shocked none of these GOP assholes have died of Covid yet.

It makes you wonder why the GOP assholes who get Covid always seem to get the mild version instead of the on-the-ventilator type Covid version..

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:29:56pm

re: #94 jaunte

Living in a blue state, we did not see the barrage of ads that afflicted competitive states. And I don’t watch much TV live so I miss most ads. But did the Democrats actually run ads that put the blame on Moscow Mitch and the GOP for the failure for additional Covid Relief? There is something terribly wrong with a nation in which a President can murder over 200,000 Americans by election day and still receive about 47% of the vote.

We also have to remember that the Constitution gerrymanders the Senate so that Democratic presence is significantly underrepresented, the South still is afflicted by the racism, and too many House seats are gerrymandered so that House delegations do not reflect the percentage of Democratic votes. And as others have pointed out, a change of 44,000 votes in the right 3 states, and Trump could have retained office, even though he has lost the popular vote by over 7 million. Our Constitution is failing us.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:29:57pm

re: #92 🌹UOJB!

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:33:04pm

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unproven innocence  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:34:27pm

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Okay, heresy time, because it’s me and that’s what I do.

Growing up with a bunch of girls for playmates (only my family, and my sister and first cousins were all girls), I was somewhat familiar with “girl toys” of the Sixties and Seventies.

One of those toys was the foldout books made of plastic where cutouts from it would adhere to similar plastic. Those were made into books of dress-up dolls, where you could take clothes and jewellery and bling and stick them on prints of men or women. (Dress the woman in cowboy outfits and spurs, the men in ballerina tutus or evening dresses, get clocked by your cousins and sister upside the head, that sort of thing.)

A similar kind of toy existed with paper punch-out or cutout clothes with tabs to fold over cardboard figures (with which you could also put the manly man in a corset).

So it comes as no surprise but humour that someone has done a religious version of this with Jesus. They made a dress-up Website where you can move different clothing items, wigs, BDSM gear, &c over to dress him up.

You can also print out the page or create the paper cutouts as described above with the page.

jesusdressup.com

Or if you’d rather dress him up as other gods (just to make sure you’re worshipping the right one)

jesusdressup.com

If there is a hell, I will burn in it. /s

I think you’ll be fine. I can’t recall ever seeing in any illustrated bibles images of men wearing pants —just dresses and robes, mostly. //

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:45:32pm

re: #121 Cheechako

It makes you wonder why the GOP assholes who get Covid always seem to get the mild version instead of the on-the-ventilator type Covid version..

The combination of them getting the best sort of healthcare paid for by the government, coupled with the (allegedly) low death rate.

A small handful of Republican politicians have caught the disease. Given enough and they will die.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:46:56pm

re: #125 unproven innocence

I think you’ll be fine. I can’t recall ever seeing in any illustrated bibles images of men wearing pants —just dresses and robes, mostly. //

Not too many of them with gimp suits, schoolgirl outfits, or naughty nurse outfits and pumps either though.

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Cheechako  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:49:12pm

-. .. —. …. - .-.. -.— / ..- .—. -.. .- - . / ..-. .-. —- — / .- .-.. .- … -.- .- —-…
(Nightly update from Alaska:)

On the Covid front, things are looking a little worse tonight:

Tracking COVID-19 in Alaska: 12 deaths and 756 new cases reported Friday

On the flooding in Haines, Alaska:
Only two still missing. The other four individuals were located and are safe.

Search to resume Saturday for Haines teacher, business leader as more residents evacuate over landslide concerns

Here’s some photos taken in Haines. This was a damn big pile of crap sliding off the mountain.

In photos: Haines grapples with landslides and flooding after a record-breaking storm

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Ming5000  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:49:58pm

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

That was fun!

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2020 • 11:54:31pm
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Amory Blaine  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:01:56am

Little beats a massive dump.

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unproven innocence  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:01:58am
Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU Immigrants’ Rights Project, tells Rachel Maddow how his organization was suddenly presented with data, including phone numbers, related to immigrant families that had been separated by the United States after months of saying no such data existed. Aired on 12/5/2020.

Trump Admin Sat On Critical Data For Helping Reunite Kids Separated From Families | Rachel Maddow

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:03:26am

Moving on to the next Covid-19 conspiracy from conservatives, because they cannot face reality.

Did ‘Head of Pfizer Research’ Say COVID-19 Vaccine ‘Is Female Sterilization’? (Snopes)

Two doctors who raised the specter of vaccines causing sterilization have both spread pandemic misinformation.

In early December 2020, social media users shared rumors that the “head of Pfizer research” had warned that the drug company’s new COVID-19 vaccine would cause sterilization in women.

The story was sourced from a blog called Health and Money News and referenced statements made by Michael Yeadon, who is not the head of Pfizer research. Yeadon did work for Pfizer but left the company in 2011, according to his biographical information in the blog “Lockdown Sceptics,” to which Yeadon has contributed. His title at Pfizer was vice president and chief scientist for allergy and respiratory.

Yeadon and German physician Wolfgang Wodarg sent a letter to the European Medicines Agency, calling on EMA to halt clinical trials of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine in the European Union. In the letter, Wodarg and Yeadon stated that the Pfizer vaccine blocks a protein that is key in the formation of the placenta in mammals, and they claimed that it’s possible women who receive the vaccine could become infertile. However, they did not state as fact that the vaccine causes sterility, as the Health and Money News headline suggests.

(more)

Conservatives will do anything they can to advance their genocide.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:07:10am

re: #132 unproven innocence

There has to be trials for crimes against humanity.

Whoever the new AG will be, I hope this is prosecuted, and that Interpol puts out a Red Notice on every asshat involved in this.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:21:53am

One wonders whether this is a feature or a bug, having learned that Florida intentionally made their unemployment insurance application Website difficult to navigate.

Computer glitch causes some Nebraskans to miss out on COVID relief aid (Omaha World-Herald)

State officials had announced that they would give out coronavirus relief funds to small businesses on a first-come, first-served basis. So she finished her application and hit “submit” within three hours of applications opening on Oct. 21.

Unfortunately, she and an unknown number of other applicants got caught by a computer glitch in which their applications were not properly saved and submitted.

Klingemann redid her application after an email alerted her to the problem, she said, but it barely squeaked in under the deadline.

Now, while $12,000 grants have started going out to other small businesses across Nebraska, Klingemann’s application is listed as “in review,” and she is worried that she missed a chance for some much-needed aid. While she still has customers, she sees fewer than in pre-pandemic times.

(more at the link)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:27:51am

That’s because she’s a Republican, therefore she’s a genocidaire. At this point, that is axiomatic.

South Dakota Gov. Noem unlikely to issue mask mandate after task force recommends it (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, more at the link):

The White House Coronavirus Task Force recommends South Dakota ensure masks at all times in public and said face covering requirements have been shown to “improve adherence and lower transmission” of COVID-19, but Gov. Kristi Noem is unlikely to institute a mask mandate nine months into the pandemic.

When asked whether Noem had seen and reviewed the Nov. 22 document by the task force where they recommended a mask mandate, her response to it and if she plans for any change in state face mask policy, the Republican governor’s senior policy analyst, Maggie Seidel, said “I think our response on the mask mandates are pretty well covered at this point.”

You didn’t answer the question, Ms. Seidel.

Noem has repeatedly opposed mask mandates, even as some of her state’s most populous cities — Sioux Falls, Rapid City, Brookings, Mitchell and Huron — have begun to implement them.

Seidel also said “I’m still waiting for someone to point me to where in the world mask mandates are working.”

South Dakota obviously has no physicians, nurses, epidemiologists, or public health policy directors. Not a one.

Try the Kansas study, Ms. Seidel, you disingenuous liar and conservative (but I repeat myself).

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:32:41am

MAybe we need a star chamber for these spreaders of disinformation.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:35:23am

re: #137 Dread Pirate Ron

MAybe we need a star chamber for these spreaders of disinformation.

I’m fine with trials for crimes against humanity.

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ericblair  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:35:37am

Oh look, they figured it out.

It does point out that the mainstream media has no idea how to deal with people who are completely shameless, but we knew that too.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:36:38am

Representative-elect, MO-1 (D)

Nebraska state senator, Legislative District 8

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:41:14am

With the count in, NE-2 swung against Trump harder than any swing state in the Union.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:43:44am

The other two districts here:

NE-1 is Lincoln and rural areas around it.

NE-3 is the rural conservatopia I live in.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:46:31am

Statewide:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:50:02am

Nebraska Democratic Party chairwoman.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:54:54am

Representative for NE-2

State senator, 46th legislative district

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 12:57:55am

State senator, 7th legislative district

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 1:01:09am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 1:07:24am

Coach Dave Daubenmire (not a coach) weighing in that “masks don’t work” (they work).

Daubenmire argues that Christians should go against mask mandates, and also offers up apologetics arguments against “secular people” (lol, 9:38)

Goes to X of Utah Outcasts second YouTube channel (caution for coarse language)

Coach Dave Daubenmire Says “Masks Don’t Work”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 1:14:10am

A second clip from X, concerning apologist Dutch Sheets, who steals the aesthetic of Beau of the Fifth Column. He still thinks Trump will win, because like so many Christians, he wants a theocracy not a democracy.

Caution for dragging Joe Biden over overt displays of religiosity when the most reliable and largest voting bloc of Democrats is none, coarse language, Sheets anti-trans crap and dragging Democrats for being “anti-Christian,” &c. (11:22)

Dutch Sheets Thinks God Will Give Trump a Second Term

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2020 • 1:16:11am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 1:20:52am

re: #150 Dread Pirate Ron

The federal government needs to do what Nebraska does to keep those numbers down. Don’t test anyone.

‘There absolutely will be a black market’: How the rich and privileged can skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines (Stat, a medical information magazine)

Athletes, politicians, and other wealthy or well-connected people have managed to get special treatment throughout the pandemic, including preferential access to testing and unapproved therapies. Early access to coronavirus vaccines is likely to be no different, medical experts and ethicists told STAT. It could happen in any number of ways, they said: fudging the definition of “essential workers” or “high-risk” conditions, lobbying by influential industries, physicians caving to pressure to keep their patients happy, and even through outright bribery or theft.

The worst attempts to nefariously procure a vaccine may come a few months into distribution, once vaccines are available that don’t require ultra-cold storage and local pharmacies and physician practices get allotments. “There absolutely will be a black market,” said bioethicist Arthur Caplan of New York University. “Anything that’s seen as lifesaving, life-preserving, and that’s in short supply creates black markets.”

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 1:36:53am

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

One of Beau’s suggestions (all bills passed in one chamber must be voted on by the other chamber) is easily defeated by those who wish to destroy governance.

Clog up the other chamber with endless bills renaming post offices and federal buildings, endless joint resolutions naming “citizen of the day” or codswallop like that, &c.

The other one (televise all negotiations on bills including “backroom negotiations”) dies the second someone invokes either national security or proprietary information or personal information, &c. Moreover, it would be nigh-impossible to cover 545 senators and representatives at the same time to ensure none of them are doing “backroom negotiations.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 5, 2020 • 1:42:24am

Because you asked for it… ok, you didn’t ask for it, but you’re going to get it, if only because it is so bad but necessary to understand Christmas music:

Put The Loot In The Boot, Santa

..

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 1:46:03am

YouTuber Liberal Viewer (an ACLU lawyer) weighs in on YouTube’s arbitrary suspension policy, which skews heavily against liberals and atheists.

Liberal Viewer goes into his own channel being suspended from complaints by Viacom, and TJ Kirk (The Amazing Atheist) being suspended for “harassment.”

YouTube is a California company, and Liberal Viewer is a lawyer licensed in California.

(5:47)

YouTube Suspensions Fair?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 2:00:10am

Lou Dobbs yesterday on “FOX Business News” (the second GOP propaganda channel which has very little to do with business)

Dobbs: Maybe Legislatures Are Compromised By China (Goes to Joe My God)

“To what degree do you sense that what we’ve witnessed in this Congress, this Senate, and in some court decisions, and some of these state legislatures is the result of foreign influence in which we have officials who have been compromised or who have compromised themselves.

“What role is that playing in this ugly, ugly episode in this country’s history?” - Fox Business host Lou Dobbs, speaking tonight to Rudy Giuliani, who somehow found the idea farfetched.

(more)

When you’re too crazy for Rudy Giuliani, and he calls you out on your own show… .

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2020 • 2:04:07am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 2:09:22am

Bill Nye on TikTok explaining how masks work for the morans in the audience, using props. (sixty-two seconds)

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2020 • 2:29:34am

re: #99 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

I just can’t even with these people anymore!

1. fauci didn’t “cancel” anything
2. say merry Christmas all you want, with a fucking mask on

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 2:33:07am

re: #103 Jack Burton

He’s now officially dumber than Louie Gohmert.

I didn’t think that was possible, like Gohmert was absolute zero… an asymptotic point.

Apparently not.

Don’t give him the benefit of being stupid, he’s malicious, as are the entirety of the Republican party. Maliy and evil.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 2:37:04am

re: #114 EPR-radar

The Epoch Times is utterly dishonest, so I’m sure Pack found receptive editors for his lies there.

They were running ads up here during Jeopardy. It was infuriating. They sounded almost reasonable; honest reporting, blah blah blah.

It was infuriating.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 2:44:06am

Shameless page promotion in the right-hand column of Little Green Footballs

Flag Observances for December

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 2:50:01am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 2:55:40am

re: #163 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Buzzfeed should be able to stall long enough to see Pandemic Pinochet leave the White (Supremacist) House.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2020 • 2:56:47am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 3:23:06am

re: #165 Dread Pirate Ron

The insert into the NDAA specifies “unidentified forces,” which includes federal police. The bill specifically excludes those working in an undercover investigation (such as the FBI infiltrating a right-wing terrorist group).

It wasn’t a law because no one ever did it before. New laws are usually reactionary. Current law includes the Posse Comitatus Act, because no one ever thought to use the armed forces in the way Donald Trump did for his Bible photo op.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 3:34:38am

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

[Embedded content]

Buzzfeed should be able to stall long enough to see Pandemic Pinochet leave the White (Supremacist) House.

I can’t begin to say how significant it is that we dodged the bullet of full blown fascism of trump had gotten a second term. It still scares me how close we got.

I know a lot of people think 74 million people were ok with Hair Hitler, but I don’t think it’s that many. Few are as informed as we are. There’s the cult of personality, the I’m A Republican, the complete lack of awareness as to exactly what they have actually done, disbelief, refusal to accept, etc.

That said, I’d bet there are 20 million who would be just fine fully knowing everything we know.

Yeah, we seriously dodged a bullet.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 3:36:27am

From The Mary Sue:

“Ethical” Cosmetics Company LUSH UK Donated Thousands to Anti-Trans Group

Much-beloved vegetarian and largely vegan cosmetics company Lush is coming under fire for donating £3,000 to the anti-trans organization Woman’s Place UK.

WPUK presents itself as a feminist organization but in true TERF (trans-exclusionary “radical feminism”) form, their version of feminism appears to be centered around fearmongering and denying trans people their rights. Their manifesto is a list of “Five Demands,” four of which are focused on upholding cis rights (not a thing) of “women-only spaces” and speculating on the dangers of “self-declaration” of gender. Their Facebook page also seems to be nearly entirely dedicated to perpetuating false narratives around “detransitioning.”

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Lush USA doesn’t donate to anti-trans groups. The company here support trans rights.

Lush has come under fire recently for forcing workers in Australia to ignore lockdown orders over Covid-19 and come in to work.

The group they donated to, Women’s Place UK, is an anti-trans rights TERF group with a large following on Fascistbook.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:07:45am

I’m not sure that would work, plus what about non-sceptical people. Do we just go suck an egg?

A former presidential candidate has a plan for getting people skeptical of a coronavirus vaccine to get the shot: pay them $1,500.

“The faster we get 75% of this country vaccinated, the faster we end COVID and the sooner everything returns to normal,” said former U.S. Rep. John Delaney, D-Md., cnbc.com reported Thursday.

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$1,500 stimulus check proposed to get Americans to take the coronavirus vaccine (goes to WLTV Jacksonville, Fla.)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:13:09am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m not sure that would work, plus what about non-sceptical people. Do we just go suck an egg?

(more)

$1,500 stimulus check proposed to get Americans to take the coronavirus vaccine (goes to WLTV Jacksonville, Fla.)

Then everyone becomes a sceptic.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:16:39am

Also from The Mary Sue, reporting on a Democratic asshat:

Aaron Coleman, the Abusive Teenager Elected to Kansas House, Reportedly Still Harassing Women

Aaron Coleman was elected to the Kansas House of Representatives in November, despite having admitted to circulating nude photos of a 12-year-old girl when he was 14 after she refused to send him nudes directly. He has also admitted to pressuring another girl to attempt suicide at the same age. In many cases, most of us would be hesitant to bring up something a person did when they were 14, but at the time of his election, not only was Coleman only 19, but he had done nothing at all to prove genuine remorse, let alone growth over the past five years.

When challenged about his past, he blamed feminism for making drop out of the election (which he quickly un-dropped out of). He also subsequently admitted to having physically assaulted his ex-girlfriend as recently as last year. He also threatened to “call a hit out” on Kansas Governor Laura Kelly just last month, saying her reelection race in 2022 will be “extremely bloody.”

and

Now that he’s about to take office, Coleman has been accused of continuing to harass women, specifically Frownfelter’s campaign manager Brandie Armstrong. Armstrong told the Kansas City Star that Coleman has been harassing her by phone and that she planned to file a no-contact order (similar to a restraining order but for criminal court cases rather than civil) against him this week.

“I’m filing the no-contact order to protect myself and my family, but also because it’s time someone tells this boy the way he behaves is despicable and has consequences. It may not be much, but it’s something,” she told the Star.

Other women have come forward to complain of harassment from his supporters on-line.

Not only is Coleman about to take office but he’s nominated himself for an even greater leadership position as the sergeant-at-arms of the Wyandotte County Democratic Party. That internal election will take place next week and I guess that’s when we’ll see how Coleman’s new colleagues plan to deal with him. So far, they’ve done nothing. They disavowed him before he won his primary but there have been crickets since then.

(more at The Mary Sue)

We don’t need people like this representing their constituents in a statehouse or the Democratic Party. Let’s hope the Wyandotte County Party rejects his bid for sergeant-at-arms.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:17:55am

This is interesting. Trade groups suing trump. Where will Republicans fall (I think we know)? Where will the SCOTUS fall (I think we know)? Will trump say anything when about this (doubt it)?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:19:51am

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Also from The Mary Sue, reporting on a Democratic asshat:

Aaron Coleman, the Abusive Teenager Elected to Kansas House, Reportedly Still Harassing Women

and

Other women have come forward to complain of harassment from his supporters on-line.

(more at The Mary Sue)

We don’t need people like this representing their constituents in a statehouse or the Democratic Party. Let’s hope the Wyandotte County Party rejects his bid for sergeant-at-arms.

He’ll switch parties. Republicans welcome this behavior.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:22:36am

re: #172 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This is interesting. Trade groups suing trump. Where will Republicans fall (I think we know)? Where will the SCOTUS fall (I think we know)? Will trump say anything when about this (doubt it)?

He looks like he’s on Cloud Twenty in that photograph (Just say no to drugs).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:24:27am

re: #173 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

He’ll switch parties. Republicans welcome this behavior.

Abusing girls and women and threatening the Democratic governor of Kansas, he almost sounds like Manchurian Candidate from the GOP who ran as a Democrat to get elected.

That said, there are asshats in our party. The difference is we generally don’t tolerate them very long.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:27:34am

re: #97 🌹UOJB!

It’s because the Lincoln Project was able to get a chunk of Republicans to split their tickets for Joe yet they voted GOP down the rest of the ballot.

Sounds plausible. In that case we owe the mofos a beer.
And little else.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:30:16am

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m honestly shocked none of these GOP assholes have died of Covid yet.

And yes I know Herman Cain did but I am talking like Mcconnell, Graham, Jordan, Gaetz, Paul, Cruz, etc.

Seems to kill about 1-2 per thousand, depending on the available medical resources, so that’s about expected.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:34:09am

I’m going to head off to bed.

For a change, I’m not doing it before the sun comes up. I’m just tired and cold.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:37:24am

re: #75 jaunte

Meanwhile in the 21st century:

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I wish the US was in the 21st century instead of trying to be in the 17th.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:41:06am

re: #79 I Would Prefer Not To

Biden replaces Cory with an experienced COR* person, Erick’s little grift dies.

*COR — Contracting Officer Representative - the gov employee running the contract.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:41:37am

This thread is really depressing. It hurts me that people feel this way. But I can definitely see it. 😢

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2020 • 4:57:15am

re: #170 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Then everyone becomes a sceptic.

I think the idea is just being reported badly. Using the reward to incentivize everyone, essentially CV Relief Phase II, just moves the “skeptics” into the sane mainstream a bit.

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Jay C  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:05:55am

re: #145 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Representative for NE-2

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I realize this guy is a Republican State Legislator (and therefore that principles of logic don’t necessarily apply), but how does this clown figure that - if NE legalizes the happy hemp - that “taxpayer money will subsidize the marijuana industry”? Isn’t it usually the other way around?

The only data I can attest to first-hand is from MA: where the state legalized weed, then licensed “dispensaries” to sell it: said outlets (at least AFAICT) doing a bonanza of business, and providing the Commonwealth with a tidy cash flow from the taxes. Which the citizens of MA (and a considerable number of tourists) don’t seem to mind paying, as long as they can get quality “flower” and edibles OTC.
Guess people WILL put up with high taxes as long as they can focus on the “high”….
🤪

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Axolotl  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:09:50am

re: #27 Hecuba’s daughter

What if the reasons for this obstacle are even more malign? What if they are actually going to try to implement martial law, overturn the election results, and have a new election that will guarantee a Trump win? Pompeo had stated clearly that there wasn’t going to be a transition to a new president. Don’t say that the military will never consent — we don’t know what kind of nefarious plans Trumpworld has placed in motion. At least one of the new Trump nominees favors this proposal.

Alternatively they could be planning a strike against Iran, and that is definitely something they would not want to reveal to the incoming administration.

Not to dismiss this theory but I would be a little more worried if they didn’t have Rudy leading the legal effort. Many of these people are ideological F team (not even B team) knuckleheads.

If someone walked into my work today and tried to muck up the works, even if they were smart it would take them months to figure out all the acronyms and what was going on. The military is far more vast and complicated.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:16:16am
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thedopefishlives  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:18:07am

Morning Lizardim.

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Axolotl  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:22:16am

re: #44 makeitstop

I think they’d need people who are a little - scratch that, a lot - more competent than Corey Lewandowski and Kash Patel.

Yeah this is what I was thinking.

We need to stay vigilant and watch them closely for sure. They are up to something for sure.

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Ming5000  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:24:36am

re: #185 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

“Clear eyed about what the GOP is”
THAT is some good news

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jeffreyw  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:30:54am

Good morning!

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ericblair  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:36:04am

re: #184 Axolotl

Not to dismiss this theory but I would be a little more worried if they didn’t have Rudy leading the legal effort. Many of these people are ideological F team (not even B team) knuckleheads.

If someone walked into my work today and tried to muck up the works, even if they were smart it would take them months to figure out all the acronyms and what was going on. The military is far more vast and complicated.

Here’s one of the conservative Wisconsin judges, if you want to know how things are going for Trump:

And if shithead is trying to take over the military, he’s doin it rong. Stacking the paper-pushing side of the house (basically Office of the Secretary of Defense and the Under Secretaries of Defense staffs) won’t get you very far: they’re essentially responsible for high-level policy and joint readiness. You’d have to stack the actual combatant commands, especially NORTHCOM I suppose, with enough fascists to take over, and that’s not happening.

I’m still not sure what replacing the Defense Business Board does, since it’s exactly what it says on the tin: it’s an outside advisory board with no special access and no power over anybody. I’d guess it’s to somehow wedge them in as special government employees to waive some conflict of interest provisions. I don’t think this will help them if a court has any real say in it.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:38:10am

re: #103 Jack Burton

He’s now officially dumber than Louie Gohmert.

I didn’t think that was possible, like Gohmert was absolute zero… an asymptotic point.

Apparently not.

When you break the absolute zero point of no molecular motion, you are trans-warped into republikan space where all know laws of physics are dumb.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:42:49am
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Belafon  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:46:45am

It looks like Biden will be governing properly on his first day:

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:53:34am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 5:59:10am

re: #193 Belafon

It looks like Biden will be governing properly on his first day:

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With trump as far away as possible.

And I’m hoping Obama, at some point, roasts the fuck out of trump. Simply because it drives trump nuts.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:01:47am

Here’s what Melissa Carone’s, the crazy woman who testified at the hearing about election fraud, computer lewdness charge is about:

Carone was charged in 2018 with obscenity for allegedly emailing sexually explicit video to her boyfriend’s ex. She pleaded guilty to a lesser charge, which was dismissed after she served probation.

insideedition.com

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thedopefishlives  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:06:31am

re: #190 ericblair

RE: Brian Hagedorn, apparently he, while a Republican appointee, is known in the state of Wisconsin as a man who rules according to strict adherence with the law. That’s a very good sign here - because we know that these clowns have absolutely nothing resembling a coherent legal argument, there is virtually no chance that he will be persuaded to vote to overturn the election on the whims of some crazypants “evidence” brought before the WI Supreme Court by this shitshow.

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:11:34am

re: #84 Dread Pirate Ron

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In other words, it’s going according to Conservative plan.

The weak must be purged. -at long as it is not yourself.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:21:28am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:23:54am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

“We journalists should have been tougher on Mr. Trump, questioning his every lie and insult,” writes jorge ramos news. “We should not have let him get away with his racism and xenophobia in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 or 2020.”

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:26:21am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We should not have let him get away with anything since 1946.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:26:48am

re: #194 Belafon

The article does correct it to only be asking for rural bank tellers and employees.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:28:04am

Somewhere in here overnight, there was word of a “big win” by the Quacken team, allowing them to inspect Dominion voting machines. Well, imagine my surprise (/s) when I saw this:

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:32:43am

re: #203 thedopefishlives

And they are going to continue to do these types of searches until Joe puts his hand on the Bible and is sworn in as POTUS.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:33:08am

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“The Amazing Atheist” was suspended for harassment?
I would consider that a good thing.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:33:58am

re: #204 PhillyPretzel

And they are going to continue to do these types of searches until Joe puts his hand on the Bible and is sworn in as POTUS.

They’ll keep doing it after Biden is sworn in. It’s the new birtherism.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:34:31am

re: #204 PhillyPretzel

And they are going to continue to do these types of searches until Joe puts his hand on the Bible and is sworn in as POTUS.

The conclusion of the thread is that there does appear to be a case, but there is no notification of any such order in the system, and the party who filed the case could not be reached for comment. In other words, the basic premise of the thread is likely correct - Rudy is just full of shit.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:34:41am

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

I agree they will try to do it for a while.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:37:57am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:39:40am

re: #207 thedopefishlives

The conclusion of the thread is that there does appear to be a case, but there is no notification of any such order in the system, and the party who filed the case could not be reached for comment. In other words, the basic premise of the thread is likely correct - Rudy is just full of shit.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:39:51am

re: #203 thedopefishlives

Trumpworld operatives continue to keep their followers separated from reality.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:41:13am

As do the rest of the GOP.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:41:52am

This is an information civil war.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:44:01am

re: #212 jaunte

As do the rest of the GOP.

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Cowards

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:44:40am

re: #214 Belafon

Weaponizing a fantasy.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:44:59am

Is the glass on the White House bulletproof?

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:46:23am

And speaking of DT I saw this on the back of a work truck in the Temple University Hospital area.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:48:00am
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thedopefishlives  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:49:32am

re: #216 Belafon

Is the glass on the White House bulletproof?

As a matter of fact, it is. (Link added)

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:49:45am

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

They’ll keep doing it after Biden is sworn in. It’s the new birtherism.

Yes, they will keep doing to in order to give state and local Republican-dominated districts (made-up) ammo to restrict voting abilities.

It must be made clear at Dem HQ that it is essential to make sure voting registration efforts be kept up year round at a much higher level then before to educate voters about these upcoming restrictions and ID laws.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:52:49am
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plansbandc  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:55:29am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:59:18am

re: #99 Ace-o-aces

Dr. Fauci says Americans should “avoid travel” over the holidays.

What will he cancel next?

Saying Merry Christmas?

Because giving people useful advice on preventing the spread of a deadly disease is the same as saying that Jesus was never born.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 5, 2020 • 6:59:46am

re: #209 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This is why we will never be free of the orange anus. He has too much sway over the repubs; he can sic his flying monkeys on anyone with a tweet and destroy their career.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:01:00am

re: #14 EPR-radar

It’s a puzzle what that could be — Trump’s corrupt money flows weren’t through the pentagon AFAIK.

Saudi weapons deal?

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:03:18am

re: #224 Colère Tueur de Lapin

This is why we will never be free of the orange anus. He has too much sway over the repubs; he can sic his flying monkeys on anyone with a tweet and destroy their career.

New York will be doing this country a great service by tying him up in courts and taking his assets.

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mmmirele  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:03:43am

I don’t know if people saw the denouement of a report that came out the other day.

Oregon Doctor’s License Revoked Over Refusal to Wear Mask During Pandemic
The Oregon Medical Board issued an emergency suspension after finding that Steven LaTulippe “engaged in unprofessional conduct or dishonorable conduct”

The medical license of an Oregon doctor who refused to wear a face mask despite the ongoing coronavirus pandemic has been revoked weeks after a video surfaced of him dismissing Covid-19 as a “common cold,” NBC News reports.

Steven LaTulippe made the comments Nov. 7 during a “Stop the Steal” rally in support of President Donald Trump outside the State Capitol in Salem.

“I want to expose what I call corona mania,” LaTulippe said in a video posted on YouTube by the political group Multnomah County Republicans.

Less than a month later, on Dec. 3, the Oregon Medical Board issued an emergency suspension after finding that LaTulippe “engaged in unprofessional conduct or dishonorable conduct,” online records show.

According to the emergency suspension, LaTulippe in July allegedly told a patient who asked for guidance on when to get tested for the coronavirus that asymptomatic people should not be tested and that wearing a mask does not prevent transmission. LaTulippe directed the patient not to self-isolate because being around other people would provide immunity from Covid-19, according to the state board’s document.

More at the link: nbcnews.com

If anyone has experience with medical license suspensions, they usually take months or years. That this board pushed through an emergency suspension in less than a month after the initial incident (and only 4 days after the original story hit the news) says volumes. I honestly didn’t think anything would happen to the guy.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:04:58am

re: #226 Belafon

AG James and SDNY are waiting for DT and his family.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:06:14am

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

There is no bottom to conservatism. Each has to out-conservative the other, and the whole society suffers for that.

I saw that start when John McCain tried to call out people for insisting that Obama was Satan and being shouted down. The party adopted a policy that anything negative about its opponents, no matter how spurious or contradictory, was fine as long as it was voiced with the proper degree of conservative zeal.

That started an attention-grabbing race to the bottom of a pit that has no bottom…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:06:34am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:07:57am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:08:46am

re: #230 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I talked to a scientist recently who spent her career working on bioterrorism and pandemic responses. “What I never imagined is that Americans would shrug their shoulders at 250,000 deaths,” she told me. “I’m just astounded.”

and that after 250K deaths, there are still masses of people who insist Covid is a hoax or being overblown by liberals to make Trump look bad, that the statistics are all faked and inflated, and that masks are a violation of our Constitutional rights.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:09:01am

re: #231 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Thank you. I needed that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:13:31am

re: #226 Belafon

New York will be doing this country a great service by tying him up in courts and taking his assets.

It will be spun as a spiteful Deep-State partisan witch hunt.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:22:50am
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Florida Panhandler  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:25:28am

re: #230 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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It would be interesting to see a Venn Diagram of people who deny 250,000 Covid Deaths with those who deny 6 Million Jews died in Nazi Concentration Camps.

My guess is a lot of overlap.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:26:54am

re: #235 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Let’s see we have Mr Stuck on Caps and Jim Shorts. Unfortunately that is today’s GOP. It will take a while to fix it if it can be fixed.

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garzooma  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:33:11am

re: #196 Belafon

Carone was charged in 2018 with obscenity for allegedly emailing sexually explicit video to her boyfriend’s ex. She pleaded guilty to a lesser charge, which was dismissed after she served probation.

insideedition.com

So it was harassment. She seems nice.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:35:23am

re: #238 garzooma

So it was harassment. She seems nice.

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A Cranky One  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:36:40am
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jaunte  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:37:55am

Add to that the pretense that they’re ‘tough’ for ignoring basic preventive measures.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:41:40am

re: #241 jaunte

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Add to that the pretense that they’re ‘tough’ for ignoring basic preventive measures.

Pearl Harbor was a liberal hoax!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:45:07am
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:45:23am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And if you ask a child to memorize the Operation Neptune beach heads you are infringing on their rights. Sword, Juno, Gold, Utah and Omaha.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2020 • 7:55:45am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:02:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:06:02am

re: #246 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I understand some members of PA’s Legislature are asking I appoint an “independent prosecutor” to look into our election.

Neither our state Constitution nor state law allows the Attorney General to appoint an “independent prosecutor.”

Get the blonde lady with the Poll Books to sign a piece of paper and do the job.

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Teukka  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:07:20am

I just caught wind of this Qnacy… Reader discretion is advised…
Child Trafficker mother Teresa was Anthony Fauci’s mother.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:10:02am

re: #248 Teukka

I just caught wind of this Qnacy… Reader discretion is advised…
Child Trafficker mother Teresa was Anthony Fauci’s mother.

It is now up to Fauci to prove otherwise!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:14:00am

re: #239 Barefoot Grin

We’ve got some quality witnesses here.

Got to give serious bow to the mug shot photographer—that’s exceptional lighting, angle, and composition. Might have waited for a cheerier expression.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:14:10am
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garzooma  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:15:34am

re: #133 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Moving on to the next Covid-19 conspiracy from conservatives, because they cannot face reality.

Did ‘Head of Pfizer Research’ Say COVID-19 Vaccine ‘Is Female Sterilization’? (Snopes)

Two doctors who raised the specter of vaccines causing sterilization have both spread pandemic misinformation.

(more)

Conservatives will do anything they can to advance their genocide.

The Snopes article has some details on the misinformation they spread:

Yeadon falsely claimed in an October 2020 blog post that the “pandemic is effectively over.” Wodarg falsely claimed in a March 2020 YouTube video that the virus was no more harmful than the seasonal flu.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:18:53am

re: #177 Decatur Deb

Seems to kill about 1-2 per thousand, depending on the available medical resources, so that’s about expected.

Umm, I think that should be one or two per hundred.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:20:34am

re: #224 Colère Tueur de Lapin

This is why we will never be free of the orange anus. He has too much sway over the repubs; he can sic his flying monkeys on anyone with a tweet and destroy their career.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:21:23am
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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:21:41am

re: #253 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

Umm, I think that should be one or two per hundred.

I could be using old estimates, but the lethality was reported as .1 to .2 percent a while back.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:23:41am

re: #256 Decatur Deb

I could be using old estimates, but the lethality was reported as .1 to .2 percent a while back.

That’s definitely old numbers. Based on the current case count and known death count, the lethality sits at 1.9%.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:26:53am

OT I had to try it. I used my Food Processor for the first time. I made Almond Meal.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:26:56am

re: #189 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

Slipping through the cracks
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thedopefishlives  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:27:46am

re: #258 PhillyPretzel

OT I had to try it. I used my Food Processor for the first time. I made Almond Meal.

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Nice! I am preparing a batch of chicken thighs to make deep fried chicken tonight, if I have enough energy.

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ericblair  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:29:21am

re: #246 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I understand some members of PA’s Legislature are asking I appoint an “independent prosecutor” to look into our election.

Neither our state Constitution nor state law allows the Attorney General to appoint an “independent prosecutor.”

I’m sure the goopers know that. The whole mess is safely out of their hands now, so they can make useless noises to rile up the MAGAts without any risk that they would have to actually commit sedition. Corrupt cowards.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:29:24am

re: #260 thedopefishlives

It was not as noisy as I thought it might be. I did have a lot of parts to clean up but the job was done in a few minutes.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:30:38am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:33:26am

re: #263 jaunte

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:34:20am

re: #251 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Of course, GWBush is part of the RINO conspiracy. Sheesh.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:34:31am

re: #257 thedopefishlives

That’s definitely old numbers. Based on the current case count and known death count, the lethality sits at 1.9%.

Backchecked it—I was remembering rough fatals/million population, not the appropriate dead/million cases.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:36:49am

re: #266 Decatur Deb

Backchecked it—I was remembering rough fatals/million population, not the appropriate dead/million cases.

Yes, that makes much more sense.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:40:36am

Just a reminder: party primaries cannot be compared with elections for government offices. They are conducted by the parties (which are private organizations) who choose their candidates based on their own rules.

And they did become widespread and binding until after the 1968 elections.

So to this day, they are the political equivalent of the Pirate Code; more like guidelines (or popularity polls) than elections.

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jamesfirecat  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:45:25am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just a reminder: party primaries cannot be compared with elections for government offices. They are conducted by the parties (which are private organizations) who choose their candidates based on their own rules.

And they did become widespread and binding until after the 1968 elections.

So to this day, they are the political equivalent of the Pirate Code; more like guidelines (or popularity polls) than elections.

Also you know, Bernie’s 30% strategy is well established as fact..

washingtonmonthly.com

It’s a strategy that could only work if the field stayed divided.

So a bunch of Democrats got together and pooled their voices and votes behind one candidate to make sure someone who wasn’t actually a member of the party didn’t get a chance to represent it as their Presidential party…

If you want to keep the party at arm’s length don’t be surprised when the party decides to do the same to you.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:47:28am

re: #267 thedopefishlives

Yes, that makes much more sense.

That means the original question about the low death rate among the GOP elite probably reflects their medical access. Sucks to be an unemployed waitress/mother of two without ACA.

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garzooma  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:48:01am

re: #266 Decatur Deb

Backchecked it—I was remembering rough fatals/million population, not the appropriate dead/million cases.

To be sure, the death rate for the population as a whole is a reasonable number to be keeping track of. And over 0.1% in many states is a huge number of people.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:49:50am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

That means the original question about the low death rate among the GOP elite probably reflects their medical access. Sucks to be an unemployed waitress/mother of two without ACA.

Entirely so, yes. Given that there are two main variables in play - general susceptibility (age, co-morbidities, etc.) and level/immediacy of care after onset of symptoms - the GOP elite are far outperforming their expected morbidity when accounting for their general susceptibility factor.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:52:14am

re: #269 jamesfirecat

Also you know, Bernie’s 30% strategy is well established as fact..

washingtonmonthly.com

It’s a strategy that could only work if the field stayed divided.

Just look at how Trump triumphed in the GOP primaries in 2016: nobody really wanted to come out against him because they all assumed he would flame out and those supporters would then be up for grabs.

But
1) they weren’t, they were for Trump, not the GOP or any of its policies
and
2) Trump was too big of a ratings draw for the media, they had a vested financial interest in keeping him in the race as long as possible.

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jamesfirecat  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:56:44am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just look at how Trump triumphed in the GOP primaries in 2016: nobody really wanted to come out against him because they all assumed he would flame out and those supporters would then be up for grabs.

But
1) they weren’t, they were for Trump, not the GOP or any of its policies
and
2) Trump was too big of a ratings draw for the media, they had a vested financial interest in keeping him in the race as long as possible.

Can you clarify a bit more/talk in more detail? I’m not quite grasping the connection between me talking about Bernie loosing the 2020 Democratic primary with you talking about Trump winning the 2016 Republican primary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 8:58:39am

re: #274 jamesfirecat

Can you clarify a bit more/talk in more detail? I’m not quite grasping the connection between me talking about Bernie loosing the 2020 Democratic primary with you talking about Trump winning the 2016 Republican primary.

That is is possible for a “30%” candidate to sweep the field if the opposition is divided.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:03:10am

re: #194 Belafon

Does hard Brexit screw over the UK getting the Pfizer vaccine if they need it since they aren’t in the development and production chain while the US and Europe is?

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:03:59am

re: #224 Colère Tueur de Lapin

This is why we will never be free of the orange anus. He has too much sway over the repubs; he can sic his flying monkeys on anyone with a tweet and destroy their career.

And two months ago, he was the sundowning stroke (?) patient who needed two hands to hold a glass. Who says he’ll still be here in two years, much less four?

And two weeks ago, we were listing the states — and let’s not forget the Justice Department — assembling cases against him? Who says he’ll be free of them in a year, much less two?

Aside from that, DT’s popularity is built on fantasy. It might last forever or it could evaporate in a day.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:04:00am

The latest in the Brexit shitshow….a brief thread here.

For the life of me, I don’t get it - fishing is a rather small segment of the overall British economy; to get so hung up on this is irrational. But then again, Brexit is an exercise in irrationality, so maybe I shouldn’t be too surprised.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:08:23am

re: #278 Dr Lizardo

The latest in the Brexit shitshow….a brief thread here.

For the life of me, I don’t get it - fishing is a rather small segment of the overall British economy; to get so hung up on this is irrational. But then again, Brexit is an exercise in irrationality, so maybe I shouldn’t be too surprised.

Highly symbolic: the British look on fishing and fishery rights as an aspect of their seafaring legacy and traditions and overinflate its significance. And as a sovereign nation (and Ruler of the Waves), they should be able to fish wherever their cast their nets

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:12:48am

re: #256 Decatur Deb

I could be using old estimates, but the lethality was reported as .1 to .2 percent a while back.

Well, California data (which I trust) from a state with good medical services, shows about 1.3 million cases, and 19,000 deaths. Even if you assume another million or asymptomatic cases — and we also have pretty good contact tracing and testing (or did, if the latest surge weren’t threatening to overwhelm them), that’s in the one to two percent range. Statistics from other places are looking similar.

Also too, .1% is the influenza lethality rate, in a “normal” year.

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jamesfirecat  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:14:30am

re: #275 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is is possible for a “30%” candidate to sweep the field if the opposition is divided.

The thing is, Trump wasn’t a 30% candidate from what I can tell, because as people dropped out, Trump ate more or at least proportional amounts of their support, he never tried to be a 30% candidate in the primary, as opposed to Bernie who other than Elizabeth Warren (and even then if memory serves it was something around a 50/50 % split or more favored Biden) Bernie didn’t gain support as people dropped out.

A 30% candidate requires a field stay super divided the entire primary and that’s extremely unlikely to happen in a modern election.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:14:52am

re: #260 thedopefishlives

Nice! I am preparing a batch of chicken thighs to make deep fried chicken tonight, if I have enough energy.

I am preparing the two-minute walk to the Mexican restaurant for takeout. I expect to have enough energy.

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gwangung  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:17:17am

re: #281 jamesfirecat

A 30% candidate requires a field stay super divided the entire primary and that’s extremely unlikely to happen in a modern election.

To my mind, that shows what an incompetent campaigner Sanders was.

He had some huge advantages coming into 2020 and he squandered them all.

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jamesfirecat  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:19:00am

re: #283 gwangung

To my mind, that shows what an incompetent campaigner Sanders was.

He had some huge advantages coming into 2020 and he squandered them all.

He was stuck in his ways and would rather try to double down on what he already knew than learn how to adapt to a new political environment, that was is why he never deserved or won a chance to be a presidential candidate.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:28:06am

See, here in Czech Republic, if you don’t wear a face mask, you get dragged off to hell to get chewed out by the devil.

This was from CNN Prima, a Czech TV station, as a bit of a joke - and to remind people to wear their face masks.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:29:04am

re: #236 Florida Panhandler

It would be interesting to see a Venn Diagram of people who deny 250,000 Covid Deaths with those who deny 6 Million Jews died in Nazi Concentration Camps.

My guess is a lot of overlap.

Virtually a circle.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:30:03am

re: #285 Dr Lizardo

Just so as everyone remembers to wear the mask and make sure it covers your mouth and nose.

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austin_blue  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:30:21am

re: #278 Dr Lizardo

The latest in the Brexit shitshow….a brief thread here.

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For the life of me, I don’t get it - fishing is a rather small segment of the overall British economy; to get so hung up on this is irrational. But then again, Brexit is an exercise in irrationality, so maybe I shouldn’t be too surprised.

That’s easy. The Sea holds a special place in the hearts of Englishman;

“Rule, Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves!”

It gave them Empire. It gave them pride, it gave them a common history, and in WW2 it kept them alive.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:33:36am

re: #272 thedopefishlives

Entirely so, yes. Given that there are two main variables in play - general susceptibility (age, co-morbidities, etc.) and level/immediacy of care after onset of symptoms - the GOP elite are far outperforming their expected morbidity when accounting for their general susceptibility factor.

Are they? We seem to get a report of another case every day, but it hasn’t been that many days. By my count (and I have better things to count, so I might be off), there are maybe 200 cases total, and one death. Outperforming, maybe, but not by far. Also, it’s early days still. A lot of people aren’t even hospitalized until a couple of weeks after they contract it.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:35:43am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Pearl Harbor was a liberal hoax!

Remember that there is a crowd out there who think FDR knew about it in advance and let the Japanese attack in order to galvanize the country and get support for the war.

And it’s fairly easy to find conservatives who talk about how the UK and France goaded that nice Mr Hitler into starting WW2 in Europe.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:38:44am
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plansbandc  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:41:28am

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:42:25am

Just Who Hoarded All That Toilet Paper?

“With increasing age, people tend to stockpile more toilet paper.” The study suggests that older people may have been more eager to prepare for strict self-isolation because they are more prone to experiencing more severe symptoms of the viral disease.
*snip*
Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, conducted the study. From March 23 to 29, they surveyed more than 1,000 adults from 35 countries, including 250 U.S. adults.

I was disappointed that they didn’t mention would-be speculators who have been wiped out by their failure to sell their hoards at inflated prices.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:43:50am

re: #293 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

And do not forget the guy who had a stockpile of N95 masks.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:44:09am

re: #280 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

Well, California data (which I trust) from a state with good medical services, shows about 1.3 million cases, and 19,000 deaths. Even if you assume another million or asymptomatic cases — and we also have pretty good contact tracing and testing (or did, if the latest surge weren’t threatening to overwhelm them), that’s in the one to two percent range. Statistics from other places are looking similar.

Also too, .1% is the influenza lethality rate, in a “normal” year.

So it’s 10x-20x as deadly as influenza. Plus the fact that surviving it does not mean you ever make a full recovery. Which are statistics that are a lot harder to come across.

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Nojay UK  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:45:23am

re: #288 austin_blue

That’s easy. The Sea holds a special place in the hearts of Englishman;

Actually… Britain controls a significant part of the EU’s territorial fishing grounds since we’re an island sticking out into the north Atlantic and North Sea with an assist by Rockall. Actual fishing in those waters is done mostly by the French, Dutch and other national fishing fleets and British fishermen mostly make money by leasing their catch quotas to the other EU fleets without having to do any hard work.

Once we leave the EU those foreign fleets can’t come into our waters to catch and land fish without an agreement because the waters belong to Britain. However most of the fish actually caught by British fishing boats is usually landed in French and other EU ports since we’ve got a lot of fish but we don’t eat that much of it. Access to British territorial waters by EU fishing boats is a problem, landing the fish in Britain and then transporting it to the EU with no trade agreement is a problem, having British boats land fish in EU ports is a problem.

The British government wants to use their leverage on fishing rights and catch quotas to get other concessions out of the EU while the EU is well aware that if Britain can’t sell their catch to the EU then the British fishermen are going to be out of business. Fun ensues.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:45:54am

re: #281 jamesfirecat

The thing is, Trump wasn’t a 30% candidate from what I can tell, because as people dropped out, Trump ate more or at least proportional amounts of their support, he never tried to be a 30% candidate in the primary, as opposed to Bernie who other than Elizabeth Warren (and even then if memory serves it was something around a 50/50 % split or more favored Biden) Bernie didn’t gain support as people dropped out.

A 30% candidate requires a field stay super divided the entire primary and that’s extremely unlikely to happen in a modern election.

And you needed a wedge and hammer to find differences between the GOP candidates in the 2016 primaries. Trump was the loudest, and also the non-politician running. The latter possibly his greatest asset and the reason that he was underestimated as well.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:48:10am

re: #295 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

So it’s 10x-20x as deadly as influenza. Plus the fact that surviving it does not mean you ever make a full recovery. Which are statistics that are a lot harder to come across.

It’s way too early to say much about long-term effects, but I’ve heard “one third of hospitalized patients” bandied about. No way to know yet about people who were never hospitalized.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:50:37am

re: #296 Nojay UK

Good explanation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 9:50:49am

re: #290 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And it’s fairly easy to find conservatives who talk about how the UK and France goaded that nice Mr Hitler into starting WW2 in Europe.

It is more nuanced than that: he did not really want war with the West (at least at first), he wanted to invade in the East.

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austin_blue  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:02:34am

re: #296 Nojay UK

Actually… Britain controls a significant part of the EU’s territorial fishing grounds since we’re an island sticking out into the north Atlantic and North Sea with an assist by Rockall. Actual fishing in those waters is done mostly by the French, Dutch and other national fishing fleets and British fishermen mostly make money by leasing their catch quotas to the other EU fleets without having to do any hard work.

Once we leave the EU those foreign fleets can’t come into our waters to catch and land fish without an agreement because the waters belong to Britain. However most of the fish actually caught by British fishing boats is usually landed in French and other EU ports since we’ve got a lot of fish but we don’t eat that much of it. Access to British territorial waters by EU fishing boats is a problem, landing the fish in Britain and then transporting it to the EU with no trade agreement is a problem, having British boats land fish in EU ports is a problem.

The British government wants to use their leverage on fishing rights and catch quotas to get other concessions out of the EU while the EU is well aware that if Britain can’t sell their catch to the EU then the British fishermen are going to be out of business. Fun ensues.

We subsidize our grain farmers directly. You guys appear to subsidize your fish farmers through fishing rights.

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:05:57am

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:19:23am

re: #184 Axolotl

Not to dismiss this theory but I would be a little more worried if they didn’t have Rudy leading the legal effort. Many of these people are ideological F team (not even B team) knuckleheads.

If someone walked into my work today and tried to muck up the works, even if they were smart it would take them months to figure out all the acronyms and what was going on. The military is far more vast and complicated.

Trump is leading a multi-prong attack against our Constitution and 90% of elected Republicans in Washington have expressed no objection to this. We are assuming that all will fail but?
1. He tried to get local boards to throw out massive numbers of voters because of reasons (voters were black)
2. He tried to get those certifying votes to stop the certification
3. He has sued in multiple courts hoping to get a case to SCOTUS. And after the Gorsuch vote on Cuomo, it’s really not clear that the Court will stand up for truth. Pre-Amy, maybe — but once she joined the court, there may be a solid 5 in favor of a permanent Republican dictatorship, though not couched in those terms.
4. Efforts to get Republican legislatures to ignore state law and instead appoint a slate per Article II of the Constitution
5. Efforts to get the House and Senate (see Mo Brooks) to ignore the Electoral College and throw the decision into the House
6. Of course — the martial law option

Yes — each of these is very unlikely to succeed, but Trump is a genius at finding vulnerable points in the opposition’s armor and forging ahead. McConnell is probably strategizing on whether one of these ploys could succeed with his assistance. Of course McConnell is smart enough to realize the violence that will explode if the election is overturned, but then, given his allegiance to the Confederate cause, might think it’s well worth the chance.

Sorry for being so Tin foilish, but until Biden actually takes the oath of office, I will be holding my breath.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:22:08am

re: #286 Sherlock Hound

Virtually a circle.

Not completely. There are many of my fellow Jews who don’t believe the pandemic is real — and especially true of certain ultra orthodox sects.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:22:52am

re: #303 Hecuba’s daughter

Yes — each of these is very unlikely to succeed, but Trump is a genius at finding vulnerable points in the opposition’s armor and forging ahead. McConnell is probably strategizing on whether one of these ploys could succeed with his assistance. Of course McConnell is smart enough to realize the violence that will explode if the election is overturned, but then, given his allegiance to the Confederate cause, might thing it’s well worth the chance.

Sorry for being so Tin foilish, but until Biden actually takes the oath of office, I will be holding my breath.

I agree. I am still scared at how close Trump came to pulling off his Master Plan: had it only come down to one or two key states, it could well have worked.

But we see how far back this strategy stretches: we were talking about Bernie Sanders earlier and all the Berniebros and Berniebots who insist that he had the nomination stolen from him, which means of course it’s only to be expected that Biden would steal the general, amirite or amirite?

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Renaissance_Man  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:25:16am

re: #303 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump is leading a multi-prong attack against our Constitution and 90% of elected Republicans in Washington have expressed no objection to this. We are assuming that all will fail but?
1. He tried to get local boards to throw out massive numbers of voters because of reasons (voters were black)
2. He tried to get those certifying votes to stop the certification
3. He has sued in multiple courts hoping to get a case to SCOTUS. And after the Gorsuch vote on Cuomo, it’s really not clear that the Court will stand up for truth. Pre-Amy, maybe — but once she joined the court, there may be a solid 5 in favor of a permanent Republican dictatorship, though not couched in those terms.
4. Efforts to get Republican legislatures to ignore state law and instead appoint a slate per Article II of the Constitution
5. Efforts to get the House and Senate (see Mo Brooks) to ignore the Electoral College and throw the decision into the House
6. Of course — the martial law option

Yes — each of these is very unlikely to succeed, but Trump is a genius at finding vulnerable points in the opposition’s armor and forging ahead. McConnell is probably strategizing on whether one of these ploys could succeed with his assistance. Of course McConnell is smart enough to realize the violence that will explode if the election is overturned, but then, given his allegiance to the Confederate cause, might thing it’s well worth the chance.

Sorry for being so Tin foilish, but until Biden actually takes the oath of office, I will be holding my breath.

These are unlikely not because Republicans are afraid of treason, but because the post-election shenanigans have largely succeeded from everyone’s point of view except Trump’s. They have not succeeded in installing him as dictator, but they have delegitimised a Democrat presidency before it has begun. This was always going to be the case, because the position of Republicans and the Republican-friendly MSM is that Democrats are illegitimate by default, but the goal will now be to codify that into law, instead of just US culture.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:30:14am

re: #306 Renaissance_Man

These are unlikely not because Republicans are afraid of treason, but because the post-election shenanigans have largely succeeded from everyone’s point of view except Trump’s. They have not succeeded in installing him as dictator, but they have delegitimised a Democrat presidency before it has begun. This was always going to be the case, because the position of Republicans and the Republican-friendly MSM is that Democrats are illegitimate by default, but the goal will now be to codify that into law, instead of just US culture.

As long as the Democrats hold at least one House or the presidency, Rick Scott’s voter disenfranchisement proposals are not likely to succeed on a national level, but they will continue to flourish at a state level when Republicans hold the reins of government. If Trump and his party are not completely obliterated, our democracy will perish. It may survive in form but not substance.

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dat_said  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:33:45am

re: #259 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

Western good morning!

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Photo reminded me of the “lost highway” in North Dakota.

The section of highway was abandoned when it was flooded by Lake Sakakawea forming behind Garrison Dam on the Missouri R. Doesn’t take long for nature to start reclaiming.

Seeing those pictures of ND countryside make me homesick.

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jamesfirecat  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:37:49am

re: #306 Renaissance_Man

These are unlikely not because Republicans are afraid of treason, but because the post-election shenanigans have largely succeeded from everyone’s point of view except Trump’s. They have not succeeded in installing him as dictator, but they have delegitimised a Democrat presidency before it has begun. This was always going to be the case, because the position of Republicans and the Republican-friendly MSM is that Democrats are illegitimate by default, but the goal will now be to codify that into law, instead of just US culture.

Here’s the thing… I’m not convinced that the number of Republicans who think the Democrats cheated/are illegitimate is actually noticeably larger than before, they’re just louder because they have the mouth piece of a man with no loyalty to the electoral process….

allgov.com

newsweek.com

And for extra flavor here are them thinking they won the popular vote in 2016, so even when they win they still think we cheated.

washingtonpost.com

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🌹UOJB!  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:40:47am

re: #248 Teukka

I just caught wind of this Qnacy… Reader discretion is advised…
Child Trafficker mother Teresa was Anthony Fauci’s mother.

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Renaissance_Man  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:42:56am

re: #309 jamesfirecat

Here’s the thing… I’m not convinced that the number of Republicans who think the Democrats cheated/are illegitimate is actually noticeably larger than before, they’re just louder because they have the mouth piece of a man with no loyalty to the electoral process….

It’s not - Republicans have been an apartheid, fascist political movement for the entirety of my adult life. Prior to Gingrich, they kept overt racism mostly in code, but his movement fully embraced overt fascism, and it became even worse once FOX News took over the party.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:44:02am

re: #308 dat_said

Photo reminded me of the “lost highway” in North Dakota.

The section of highway was abandoned when it was flooded by Lake Sakakawea forming behind Garrison Dam on the Missouri R. Doesn’t take long for nature to start reclaiming.

Seeing those pictures of ND countryside make me homesick.

There is a 13-mile stretch of abandoned PA Turnpike up in the Allegheny Mountains.

en.wikipedia.org

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:45:31am

Kremlin tool projecting like an Imax in outer space:

Wyoming health official says ‘so-called pandemic’ a communist plot

Efforts to develop a vaccine is a plot by Russia and China to spread communism worldwide, said department readiness and countermeasures manager Igor Shepherd.

A Wyoming Department of Health official involved in the state’s response to the coronavirus questioned the legitimacy of the pandemic and described a forthcoming vaccine as a biological weapon at a recent event.

The “so-called pandemic” and efforts to develop a vaccine are plots by Russia and China to spread communism worldwide, department readiness and countermeasures manager Igor Shepherd said at the Nov. 10 event held by the group Keep Colorado Free and Open.

Shepherd was introduced as and talked about being a Wyoming Department of Health employee in the hour-plus presentation in Loveland, Colorado.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:48:53am

re: #308 dat_said

Photo reminded me of the “lost highway” in North Dakota.

The section of highway was abandoned when it was flooded by Lake Sakakawea forming behind Garrison Dam on the Missouri R. Doesn’t take long for nature to start reclaiming.

Seeing those pictures of ND countryside make me homesick.

That’s really something—great photos. After college a couple of friends and I met up at a friend’s uncle’s place in Minnesota in order to drive around the PNW. When driving across ND my friend was going about 100MPH saying “you can see fifty miles in front of you, it’s not like they can set a speed trap here” before a state trooper appeared behind us.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:49:34am

Sigh. The most unsurprising occurrence of the year

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Dec 5, 2020 • 10:59:16am

‘One of the nuttier things I’ve seen’: MAGA civil war erupts in Georgia

A pro-Trump attorney’s call for a boycott of the Senate runoffs is alarming Republicans.

Georgia’s Republican civil war just got a lot messier.

A new schism — this one between MAGA forces — is taking shape, further threatening GOP unity in advance of the Jan. 5 runoffs for the state’s two Senate seats.

At the center of the conflict is pro-Trump trial lawyer Lin Wood. His advocacy for President Donald Trump — and his unsubstantiated claims of election fraud — have been so extreme that he’s now taken to publicly discouraging people from voting for Republican Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, arguing that the runoff elections are already rigged.

“This fraud stuff is all well and good for us Republicans, as long as you don’t actually start believing it.”
It is a little like trickle-down economics in that respect. Former Kansas governor Sam Brownback was stupid enough to actually believe it, with disastrous results even for local elites.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 5, 2020 • 11:00:13am
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2020 • 11:04:17am

re: #306 Renaissance_Man

These are unlikely not because Republicans are afraid of treason, but because the post-election shenanigans have largely succeeded from everyone’s point of view except Trump’s. They have not succeeded in installing him as dictator, but they have delegitimised a Democrat presidency before it has begun. This was always going to be the case, because the position of Republicans and the Republican-friendly MSM is that Democrats are illegitimate by default, but the goal will now be to codify that into law, instead of just US culture.

And this morning Trump called Kemp to ask him to overturn the results. Trump may have no interest in doing his Constitutionally required job, but he does work overtime to protect and enrich himself. Kemp has been silent over the past few days while other Republican members of his administration have stood up for justice. Kemp is a man with no morals or ethics — let’s see if this one time in his life, he will stand for the rule of law when facing pressure.

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dat_said  Dec 5, 2020 • 11:05:00am

re: #314 Barefoot Grin

That’s really something—great photos. After college a couple of friends and I met up at a friend’s uncle’s place in Minnesota in order to drive around the PNW. When driving across ND my friend was going about 100MPH saying “you can see fifty miles in front of you, it’s not like they can set a speed trap here” before a state trooper appeared behind us.

The folks who run ghostsofnorthdakota.com and ghostsofminnesota.com do a great job with their photos. I can get lost on those for hours.

Yeah, some places you can see for miles. So can the troopers. Plus, they sometimes use planes as part of the speed limit enforcement. Montana used to have no defined daytime speed limit beyond “reasonable and prudent”. Back in the 70s when federal law (loss of highway funds) set nationwide speed limit to 55mph, Montana would issue $5 fines for “unnecessary waste of natural resources” so they could keep getting federal highway funds. I had heard that some jurisdictions allowed you to prepurchase coupon books and you’d rip out a $5 coupon and hand it to the trooper if you were stopped. That, though, might be urban legend.

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Florida Panhandler  Dec 5, 2020 • 11:12:49am

re: #263 jaunte

To Glenn Greenwald, “Deep State” means mainstream Democrats.

Trumpers, Loony Left, Fascist rightists are normal people. This about sums it up.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 5, 2020 • 1:48:13pm

re: #320 Florida Panhandler

And Greenwald keeps ignoring the fact that Sanders has never been a member of the Democratic Party. Period. Full Stop.

Not surprising that Greenwald keeps picking losers to give tongue baths to - until one of them is a member of the Leopard Eating Faces party.


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