The Bob Cesca Podcast: Pillow Peddler Pranked

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Hugh G. Rection — [Explicit Language] The Trump prank call to Mike Lindell; Professional irritant Ted Nugent tested positive for COVID after calling it a scam; The jury is deliberating on the Chauvin case; The idiotic defense arguments could sway the jury; Judge Cahill vs Maxine Waters; President Biden weighs in; Florida Republicans legalize running over protesters with cars; Texas House passes open carry without a permit; George W. Bush attacks Republican Party; China and Russia are fueling Q conspiracies; QAnon disciples are winning local offices; With TV’s Buzz Burbank; And music by Cookie and Mike Farley; and more!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 9:57:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 9:58:18am
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🌹UOJB!  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:06:13am
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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:09:10am
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darthstar  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:15:54am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Russia waving a limp dick around and they know it. Go ahead, expel a few US diplomats. We’ll freeze your oligarch’s funds and seize their American holdings. We know Putin answers to them at some point.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:17:17am
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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:18:05am

re: #6 wrenchwench

All of a sudden, a whole hell of a lot of things about Tucker Carlson make sense.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:23:10am

So, a few days ago, Czech Republic expelled 18 Russians from the Russian Embassy in Prague, on the grounds that they were strongly believed to be working for the SVR and the GRU. In retaliation, the Russians expelled 20 Czechs from the Czech Embassy in Moscow - which was almost the entire staff.

The new Czech Foreign Minister (sworn in only hours ago) just threw down the fucking gauntlet to Putin…either restore the 20 Czechs back to the embassy in Moscow, or Czech Republic will expel everyone from the Russian Embassy until the numbers of current embassy staff are respectively equal (IOW, five people).

Moscow has 24 hours to comply.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:24:16am
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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:26:45am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember seeing Target Field light up purple and wondered what was going on. I found out later in the afternoon. Mrs. Fish won a bar contest later that spring with her story about meeting Prince.

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🌹UOJB!  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:32:36am

So Fucker C loved the Twinkee Killer.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:37:14am
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Jay C  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:40:09am

re: #11 🌹UOJB!

So Fucker C loved the Twinkee Killer.

And connected (somehow) to the “Jesse Helms Foundation”….🙄

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:44:34am
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A Cranky One  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:44:44am

One of the best concerts I ever attended was early Genesis with Peter Gabriel. Saw them just after Selling England by the Pound was released.

So I really enjoyed this:

boingboing.net

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:45:09am
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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:46:31am

They acknowledge the truth, but then spin the truth as a negative. IOW, modern conservatism in a nutshell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:47:20am
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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:49:01am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

My parents used to have a cat like that. They live downtown in a tourist town and he enjoyed visiting the hotels, bars, and coffee shops for attention. He got accidently cat napped by well meaning tourists more than once.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:50:08am
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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:50:12am

re: #17 Targetpractice

They acknowledge the truth, but then spin the truth as a negative. IOW, modern conservatism in a nutshell.

No, actually, as usual, he’s misrepresenting the facts. The jury did NOT convict based on public pressure; if there was any evidence of this, a motion for mistrial would be swiftly dispatched to the court. The conviction was secured because there was a massive amount of evidence that piled up against Chauvin, including his own superiors testifying that he did not act in accordance with MPD practices for the use of force. The public pressure campaign only ensured that the case went to trial in the first place.

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gocart mozart  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:50:43am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:51:17am

re: #21 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

No, actually, as usual, he’s misrepresenting the facts. The jury did NOT convict based on public pressure; if there was any evidence of this, a motion for mistrial would be swiftly dispatched to the court. The conviction was secured because there was a massive amount of evidence that piled up against Chauvin, including his own superiors testifying that he did not act in accordance with MPD practices for the use of force. The public pressure campaign only ensured that the case went to trial in the first place.

The nuts don’t care about evidence. They don’t care about Truth.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:52:02am
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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:52:35am

re: #17 Targetpractice

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They acknowledge the truth, but then spin the truth as a negative. IOW, modern conservatism in a nutshell.

It wasn’t the “public pressure,” it was the cell phone video.

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🌹UOJB!  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:53:22am

re: #15 A Cranky One

One of the best concerts I ever attended was early Genesis with Peter Gabriel. Saw them just after Selling England by the Pound was released.

So I really enjoyed this:

boingboing.net

Memories of Steve Hackett as well.

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:56:00am

re: #25 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Just because the overwhelming public opinion agreed with the verdict doesn’t mean it influenced the verdict, or that the verdict was wrong. Public opinion favored guilt because we saw the video, just like the jury did.

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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:56:08am

re: #21 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

No, actually, as usual, he’s misrepresenting the facts. The jury did NOT convict based on public pressure; if there was any evidence of this, a motion for mistrial would be swiftly dispatched to the court. The conviction was secured because there was a massive amount of evidence that piled up against Chauvin, including his own superiors testifying that he did not act in accordance with MPD practices for the use of force. The public pressure campaign only ensured that the case went to trial in the first place.

And I really should have pointed out that that’s the truth he accidentally stumbled upon. If it had not been for a brave woman coming forward with video of the incident, convincing others to either show their own recorded videos or give their own eyewitness accounts, then there would have been no public outcry and Chauvin’s superiors would have quietly swept all this under the rug as “Black man dies of heart attack in police custody.”

What made this conviction possible was the public becoming outraged because of the evidence that was right in front of their faces and demanding that those responsible be held accountable. And it is that truth that Ben and other wingnuts see as an aberration from a system where white cops can act as fascist thugs without accountability.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:57:39am
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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:59:09am

re: #24 Punish Domestic Terrorists

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It’s totally lost on Gym and his fellow MAGAts that you don’t need to go engage in Apocalypse Now cosplay on the southern border to be appraised and up to date on what’s happening down there. There’s shit going on across the globe at any given moment of the day that the WH is expected to know about and handle without physically going there to see it happening in person.

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:59:36am

re: #28 Targetpractice

And I really should have pointed out that that’s the truth he accidentally stumbled upon. If it had not been for a brave woman coming forward with video of the incident, convincing others to either show their own recorded videos or give their own eyewitness accounts, then there would have been no public outcry and Chauvin’s superiors would have quietly swept all this under the rug as “Black man dies of heart attack in police custody.”

What made this conviction possible was the public becoming outraged because of the evidence that was right in front of their faces and demanding that those responsible be held accountable. And it is that truth that Ben and other wingnuts see as an aberration from a system where white cops can act as fascist thugs without accountability.

Yep, that’s all true and accurate. And we know for a fact that the MPD really REALLY wanted to sweep this under the rug, as during the lead-up to the charges being filed, it came out that Chauvin had 22 reports that were not actioned in his 19 years on the force. Guy was a complete fucking asshole, but they planned on keeping him on the force all the way up until some poor teenage girl who really didn’t want to be a hero pulled out her cell phone and started recording.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 21, 2021 • 10:59:55am

So my new coworker things the mRNA vaccines alter your genes.

Fuck me.

I’m going to get my genes altered in about 5 minutes. I’ll let you know if I get good 5G once it’s done.

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A Cranky One  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:00:05am

We have a dog who’s a favorite of all the grandkids and very friendly. Unless you’re a dog, in which case he wants to fight.

Havoc (named appropriately) once tried to tear through a chain link fence to get at a dog next door. That dog happened to be the Marine corps mascot (neighbors daughter is a Marine who was caring for it and was visiting). Biggest, most muscular bulldog I’ve ever seen. He totally ignored Havoc, which really pissed off Havoc (who weighs about 16 pounds).

Anyway, Havoc’s tag says “I have issues”.

Wonderful little dog but totally nuts.

Here he is with Lacy, the floofy dog.

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:02:01am

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

This kind of point by point refutation of Republican garbage is important.

But an alternative and much simpler argument is equally valid: “The GA voting law was enacted by GA Republicans as a result of their losses in 2020, an election in which no voter fraud was found. Therefore, this law is just another case of GOP voter suppression.”

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aatharuv  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:02:12am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember the first time a cat in a park who was following me. I assumed it was lost (or just wanted my bean burrito) so I tried for a few minutes to get into position to read the number on the necklace ornament

After I finally called the person they told me they were right next to the park.

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:05:38am

re: #31 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

Yep, that’s all true and accurate. And we know for a fact that the MPD really REALLY wanted to sweep this under the rug, as during the lead-up to the charges being filed, it came out that Chauvin had 22 reports that were not actioned in his 19 years on the force. Guy was a complete fucking asshole, but they planned on keeping him on the force all the way up until some poor teenage girl who really didn’t want to be a hero pulled out her cell phone and started recording.

One reform that should be considered in view of all of this is truly independent review of police body camera video in all use of force incidents. Body cam video under control of the police system is very easy to suppress.

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:08:03am

re: #36 EPR-radar

One reform that should be considered in view of all of this is truly independent review of police body camera video in all use of force incidents. Body cam video under control of the police system is very easy to suppress.

And they do it all the time, how many times have we heard that the body cams were switched off or malfunctioning in the last 4-5 years of police incidents? I’m starting to think that, if we can’t do it that way, at the least implement a mandatory minimum punishment (maybe not jail time, but X months unpaid leave plus a demotion, or something) for an officer-involved shooting or other questionable use of force where body cam footage is unavailable, compounded if the body cam in question is tested and found to be working after the incident.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:09:14am

re: #11 🌹UOJB!

So Fucker C loved the Twinkee Killer.

I wonder if this had something to do with the CIA’s rejection of young Tucker’s application when he graduated from college in 1991? Tucker was otherwise eminently qualified. He had already demonstrated real journalistic talent, something he continued to show until the early 2000s when he went full goober-grift, and his father (the pioneering gonzo journalist Dick Carlson) had just finished a stint as director of the Voice of America and had been appointed Ambassador to the Seychelles.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:09:44am

re: #22 gocart mozart

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A Cranky One  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:09:58am

re: #33 A Cranky One

…
Anyway, Havoc’s tag says “I have issues”.
…

For some odd reason, Mrs Cranky wanted to get me the same tag…

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:12:57am
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DodgerFan1988  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:15:25am

This is one of the reasons why I left the Republicans and became a Democrat. When the Green River Killer Gary Ridgeway was arrested for killing almost 50 prostitutes, the attitude from Conservatives were “well, they shouldn’t have engaged in such an immoral lifestyle” and “it’s their own damn fault.” No compassion or empathy whatsover.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:17:36am

Storm front passing through here. Severe t-storm warning. Woo…

But I’ve got first dose of covid19 vax, and I can feel my superpowers beginning to stir. I think my superpower is enhanced detection of bulkshit.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:18:45am

re: #42 DodgerFan1988

Motherfucker with AR-15 shoots up protest and murders two people, and cops ignore him entirely. Why? Because he’s a white teen who fits the fascist lifestyle.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:19:10am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:21:32am

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I wonder if this had something to do with the CIA’s rejection of young Tucker’s application when he graduated from college in 1991? Tucker was otherwise eminently qualified. He had already demonstrated real journalistic talent, something he continued to show until the early 2000s when he went full goober-grift, and his father (the pioneering gonzo journalist Dick Carlson) had just finished a stint as director of the Voice of America and had been appointed Ambassador to the Seychelles.

To clarify, blatant homophobia would not have been a disqualifier at CIA in 1991, though the winds of change were already stirring, especially in intelligence work. A casual attitude toward political violence would be, though. They take their assassinations seriously.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:21:32am

re: #42 DodgerFan1988

Hard to parent your kids when you have to hold down two jobs and work 60 hours a week because wages are so low.

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danarchy  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:22:47am

re: #19 DesertDenizen

My parents used to have a cat like that. They live downtown in a tourist town and he enjoyed visiting the hotels, bars, and coffee shops for attention. He got accidently cat napped by well meaning tourists more than once.

People shouldn’t be letting those little birb serial killers wander around outside unchecked anyway…

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No Malarkey!  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:28:02am
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nines09  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:28:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:28:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:30:45am
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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:41:40am

re: #42 DodgerFan1988

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This is one of the reasons why I left the Republicans and became a Democrat. When the Green River Killer Gary Ridgeway was arrested for killing almost 50 prostitutes, the attitude from Conservatives were “well, they shouldn’t have engaged in such an immoral lifestyle” and “it’s their own damn fault.” No compassion or empathy whatsover.

It’s amazing how “WHERE WERE THE PARENTS?!” only gets asked when its black kids. When white kids riot and burn shit down, we’re told that it’s “youthful exuberance” and told that we all did stupid shit when we were young.

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darthstar  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:42:39am

Talk about some nasty fuckin’ malware…

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:43:17am

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

Hard to parent your kids when you have to hold down two jobs and work 60 hours a week because wages are so low.

I’m a late Gen Xer, from the early days of the latch key kids. It seems to me that a lot of Gen X didn’t get parented well since our parents were working so much in the 80s and 90s. This means, among other things, that we never learned how to parent well ourselves.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:49:13am

re: #42 DodgerFan1988

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This is one of the reasons why I left the Republicans and became a Democrat. When the Green River Killer Gary Ridgeway was arrested for killing almost 50 prostitutes, the attitude from Conservatives were “well, they shouldn’t have engaged in such an immoral lifestyle” and “it’s their own damn fault.” No compassion or empathy whatsover.

Ya, part of that solution entails a living wage so the parents don’t have to work 3 min wage jobs and 90+ hours a week to only slow the bleeding. I’m sure he’s in favor of that…

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No Malarkey!  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:51:41am

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:52:09am

re: #55 DesertDenizen

I’m a late Gen Xer, from the early days of the latch key kids. It seems to me that a lot of Gen X didn’t get parented well since our parents were working so much in the 80s and 90s. This means, among other things, that we never learned how to parent well ourselves.

Early Millenial here and I was definitely a latchkey kid. Both of my folks were active military until I was in high school, which meant when I wasn’t staying with a babysitter I was by myself at home. Even when my sister and I stayed with our grandmother in the summer months we were latchkey kids during the week because she was still working at a furniture store while we grew up.

So it doesn’t surprise me in the least that my generation have a hard time dealing with parenting, especially when so many of us lost our jobs, our savings, and months/years of potential earnings during the Great Recession. It’s hard as fuck to be a parent when you don’t even have the money to move out of your own parent’s house.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:53:13am
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Citizen K  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:54:23am
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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:56:07am

re: #60 Citizen K

This is exactly why I thought the verdict was guilty as soon as they came back after only 10.5 hours of deliberation. That jury was very diverse, one of the finest that they could’ve put together from the State of Minnesota. There was no way in hell that any of the Black or Hispanic people on that jury would’ve voted to acquit based on the weak theories put forward by the defense. The only remaining option was that they had either hung, or voted guilty - but a hung jury usually asks lots of questions, asks for read-backs, it takes a pretty long time for them to decide they’re hung.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 11:57:39am
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Dangerman  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:00:19pm

re: #24 Punish Domestic Terrorists

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What can she herself do “at the border” for an hour or a day?

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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:05:46pm

re: #60 Citizen K

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This is what so impressed me about the prosecution in this case: They made their case so clear, concise, and compelling that there was really no wiggle room for that one “holdout” on the jury to argue that the evidence “wasn’t enough.”

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KingKenrod  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:05:55pm

re: #15 A Cranky One

One of the best concerts I ever attended was early Genesis with Peter Gabriel. Saw them just after Selling England by the Pound was released.

So I really enjoyed this:

boingboing.net

Wow, one of the most incredible things I’ve ever seen!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:07:03pm

An archaeology team led by the Maryland Department of Transportation State Highway Administration has found the homesite of Harriet Tubman’s father, the team announced on Tuesday.

The team says the site was found “deep in the Blackwater National Wildlife Refuge” on the Eastern Shore and once belonged to Ben Ross, the father of famed abolitionist Harriet Tubman.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:07:46pm

Beau has a good point on why the DOJ is going to investigate the Minneapolis PD.

Let’s talk about the phrase “we write the report”….

Let’s talk about the phrase “we write the report”….

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:08:04pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dangerman  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:09:15pm

re: #48 danarchy

People shouldn’t be letting those little birb serial killers wander around outside unchecked anyway…

Its the birds fault for dressing all showy the way they do.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:09:15pm

re: #63 Dangerman

Performative bulkshit. Nod sagely at some DHS official making statements that she would know via a PDB. Make a few statements.

But performative bulkshit is all the GOP does these days, when they’re not pushing armed insurrection to overthrow the government or tax breaks for millionaires.

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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:10:30pm

re: #70 lawhawk

Performative bulkshit. Nod sagely at some DHS official making statements that she would know via a PDB. Make a few statements.

But performative bulkshit is all the GOP does these days, when they’re not pushing armed insurrection to overthrow the government or tax breaks for millionaires.

It’s all they have because none of their ideas sell anymore outside their base, and the only thing their base really responds to is culture war horseshit.

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:10:42pm

re: #70 lawhawk

Performative bulkshit. Nod sagely at some DHS official making statements that she would know via a PDB. Make a few statements.

But performative bulkshit is all the GOP does these days, when they’re not pushing armed insurrection to overthrow the government or tax breaks for millionaires.

Maybe she could take a boat down the Rio Grande.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:11:23pm

re: #15 A Cranky One

One of the best concerts I ever attended was early Genesis with Peter Gabriel. Saw them just after Selling England by the Pound was released.

So I really enjoyed this:

boingboing.net

That’s an amazing restoration. Closest I got to that is watching the tribute band Musical Box perform their set a few years ago; and that was pretty damned impressive to compare their show to Genesis.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:14:02pm

re: #43 lawhawk

Storm front passing through here. Severe t-storm warning. Woo…

But I’ve got first dose of covid19 vax, and I can feel my superpowers beginning to stir. I think my superpower is enhanced detection of bulkshit.

Congrats on getting the vaccine!

Hopefully you are now calibrated. ///

Are you of House Pfizer or House Moderna?

The front went through the western ‘burbs of DC around 11:30. At 11:00 the temperature was 63degF . At 12:30 it was 54degF. As of 3pm still getting heavy gusts of wind and the Dulles Airport planes are in their storm pattern. (Low and directly over my house.)

But the sun is out and we did not get more than a few drops of rain. I guess that I will need to mow the lawn soon.

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aatharuv  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:16:09pm

re: #72 Belafon

Maybe she could take a boat down the Rio Grande.

They would be complaining about something else. Anything that a woman does, they’ll complain about. Anything that a black person does, they’ll complain about. Anything that a brown person does, they’ll complain about*.

*Unless said person is a hardcore Trumpublican.

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plansbandc  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:16:31pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve just started being able to listen to his music again. Same with Bowie.

Their deaths absolutely crushed me.

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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:18:04pm

Oh, I’ve been meaning to share some good news from the homestead for the past few days, but because the hell that was work and general laziness I didn’t get around to it until today. So, without further delay, say hello to the newest member of our household:

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:18:52pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

1vn8Y+YXahH2Aiap4CfLyphi52gYcwA7FcUGJ+9yPKs=

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:20:26pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:21:33pm

Nothing short of going to the border and then announcing that she’s in favor of mass deportations of “illegals” would be enough from VP Harris to satisfy the GQP.

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plansbandc  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:21:40pm

re: #42 DodgerFan1988

Pretty much every reply is they deserved what they got.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:21:47pm

re: #75 ckkatz

Congrats on getting the vaccine!

Hopefully you are now calibrated. ///

Are you of House Pfizer or House Moderna?

The front went through the western ‘burbs of DC around 11:30. At 11:00 the temperature was 63degF . At 12:30 it was 54degF. As of 3pm still getting heavy gusts of wind and the Dulles Airport planes are in their storm pattern. (Low and directly over my house.)

But the sun is out and we did not get more than a few drops of rain. I guess that I will need to mow the lawn soon.

House Moderna. We’re getting some occasional gusts now, but there was wild weather to west with reports of hail. Some folks in our neighborhood are reporting power outages, so there’s that.

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Dangerman  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:22:47pm

re: #60 Citizen K

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slightly OT

you all know my position on gun accountability:
control your weapon at all times
you and only you are responsible for your weapon.

Draconian enforcement for **demonstrated** irresponsibility.
- your freedom (jail)
- your finances (criminal fines, civil suit exposure)
- your future (loss of 2A forever)
After a few cases the lazy and merely careless will clean up their act - they will learn to take their personal responsibility more seriously - or else.

i have seriously considered that every civil or criminal jury should be all gun owners only

i think it could work

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plansbandc  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:25:43pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

UqHBUl2Li2sTbYyK715n9jNqjFLSqfYK

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:26:33pm

From the production company that did Robot Chicken, and it shows.

Marvel’s M.O.D.O.K. - Trailer (Official) • A Hulu Original

I hear Patton Oswalt and Nathan Fillion.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:27:18pm
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Belafon  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:27:53pm

re: #84 Dangerman

slightly OT

you all know my position on gun accountability:
control your weapon at all times
you and only you are responsible for your weapon.

Draconian enforcement for **demonstrated** irresponsibility.
- your freedom (jail)
- your finances (criminal fines, civil suit exposure)
- your future (loss of 2A forever)
After a few cases the lazy and merely careless will clean up their act - they will learn to take their personal responsibility more seriously - or else.

i have seriously considered that every civil or criminal jury should be all gun owners only

i think it could work

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Not while a large number of gun owners consider themselves to be part of a tribe.

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:28:23pm

At some level, I’m completely unsurprised at the worst people in the world (US conservatives) having the worst possible takes on the Chauvin verdict.

But it’s still depressing. The next GOP presidential candidate will be a Nazi.

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:28:48pm

re: #87 No Malarkey!

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Black.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:31:27pm

master race…

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darthstar  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:31:32pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

Called it. We were at 213M this morning, so he only needed 1 million to get to his full adjusted promise

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:31:55pm

re: #86 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I hear Patton Oswalt and Nathan Fillion.

SOLD. I have to watch it now.

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plansbandc  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:32:50pm

Another online friend is leaving. She transitioned to hospice today.

Sad.

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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:34:04pm

re: #87 No Malarkey!

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It’s not about guilt or innocence, it’s about white dominance and petty tribal warfare. Even those wingnuts who’ve admitted that the evidence was sufficient to warrant Chauvin’s conviction have whined that it was “wrong” because it was “mob justice.” They wanted him to walk free not because they genuinely believed he was innocent, but because they could then get off on “librul tears” and images of cops beating and tear-gassing protestors.

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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:35:34pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

master race…

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:38:40pm

re: #87 No Malarkey!

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:39:31pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

Always upding Preacher!

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:40:12pm

re: #6 wrenchwench

Better still: Dan White was the originator of the “twinkie defense”. In short, he argued that he had been eating too many Twinkies at the time of the murders, and that was obviously a symptom of mental illness and diminished cognitive capacity, and therefore he was not guilty, ladies and gentlemen of the jury (which they bought).

I’m oversimplifying, but not by much.

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:41:36pm

The Onion might want to be careful with this, because Chauvin does have multiple reports against him in his police career, and who knows what went unreported…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:44:26pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:44:52pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

It’s not about guilt or innocence, it’s about white dominance and petty tribal warfare. Even those wingnuts who’ve admitted that the evidence was sufficient to warrant Chauvin’s conviction have whined that it was “wrong” because it was “mob justice.” They wanted him to walk free not because they genuinely believed he was innocent, but because they could then get off on “librul tears” and images of cops beating and tear-gassing protestors.

For way too many on the US right, arbitrary murder of black people by cops is an essential part of their disgusting world view. I’m sure they regard it as a poor substitute for the pleasures of a real lynch mob, but they will still defend it at all costs.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:46:05pm

re: #83 lawhawk

House Moderna. We’re getting some occasional gusts now, but there was wild weather to west with reports of hail. Some folks in our neighborhood are reporting power outages, so there’s that.

Sorry to hear about the power outages. I am very fortunate that the lines inside my neighborhood are buried. Not that falling trees don’t target the above ground feeder lines going into my neighborhood.

As I am sure you are quite aware, the whole concept of “House of” is such a humorous reminder of how much this division of people into “Them” and “Us” is ingrained into human nature.

I wonder if two major parties is too small a number and whether we need to go with a much larger number of parties. Of course, the current Israeli experience is a counter-example.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:46:50pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

$400K a year is a lot of money.
U.S. median household income this year is $79,900. That’s household, not individual.

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🌹UOJB!  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:48:08pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

master bator race…

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😏

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:48:30pm

re: #44 lawhawk

Motherfucker with AR-15 shoots up protest and murders two people, and cops ignore him entirely. Why? Because he’s a white teen who fits the fascist lifestyle.

His cousin bought him the rifle he was too young to legally own and his Mommy drove him to and from the protest to enable his killing as well.

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:48:41pm

re: #103 ckkatz

Sorry to hear about the power outages. I am very fortunate that the lines inside my neighborhood are buried. Not that falling trees don’t target the above ground feeder lines going into my neighborhood.

As I am sure you are quite aware, the whole concept of “House of” is such a humorous reminder of how much this division of people into “Them” and “Us” is ingrained into human nature.

I wonder if two major parties is too small a number and whether we need to go with a much larger number of parties. Of course, the current Israeli experience is a counter-example.

IIRC the late Roman Republic had political parties named “blues” and “greens” after the colors of chariot racing teams. The US isn’t quite at that level of decadence yet, but the GOP is sure working on it.

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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:48:47pm

re: #97 Punish Domestic Terrorists

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There’s virtually no circumstances under which wingnuts would agree that a cop deserved to be convicted. Why? Because cop unions have spent years turning the subject of police reform into a political fight where agreeing that there need to be reforms means you are “anti-cop/pro-crime.” So they always have to hedge any approval of a cop being convicted with blathering about “Just comply with the cop” or “He was no angel.”

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:49:25pm

re: #103 ckkatz

Sorry to hear about the power outages. I am very fortunate that the lines inside my neighborhood are buried. Not that falling trees don’t target the above ground feeder lines going into my neighborhood.

As I am sure you are quite aware, the whole concept of “House of” is such a humorous reminder of how much this division of people into “Them” and “Us” is ingrained into human nature.

I wonder if two major parties is too small a number and whether we need to go with a much larger number of parties. Of course, the current Israeli experience is a counter-example.

We have more parties. It’s the system itself that creates a situation where only two of them are contenders. We’d have to significantly change the system to allow more parties to thrive.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:50:53pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

There’s virtually no circumstances under which wingnuts would agree that a cop deserved to be convicted. Why? Because cop unions have spent years turning the subject of police reform into a political fight where agreeing that there need to be reforms means you are “anti-cop/pro-crime.” So they always have to hedge any approval of a cop being convicted with blathering about “Just comply with the cop” or “He was no angel.”

Hence, they oppose any modification to stop and frisk, even though it’s repeatedly shown to be discriminatory and contraband is found less among persons of color than whites (see NYC).

Time and again, persons of color are stopped in a disproportionate fashion, and no contraband, weapons, or other infractions found. Yet, they’re killed at a higher rate than whites while whites have more guns, contraband, or other infractions.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:51:17pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

To clarify, blatant homophobia would not have been a disqualifier at CIA in 1991, though the winds of change were already stirring, especially in intelligence work. A casual attitude toward political violence would be, though. They take their assassinations seriously.

They do psych profiles as part of the employment process. My father passed his (he made more as a University janitor with a fair bit of seniority than he was offered as an entry level map maker with his BS in Cartography) and I’ll bet Mr Tucker failed his.

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:51:56pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

There’s virtually no circumstances under which wingnuts would agree that a cop deserved to be convicted. Why? Because cop unions have spent years turning the subject of police reform into a political fight where agreeing that there need to be reforms means you are “anti-cop/pro-crime.” So they always have to hedge any approval of a cop being convicted with blathering about “Just comply with the cop” or “He was no angel.”

IMO cop unions are only part of the story. The deeper reason is that wingnuts view militarized police able to kill ‘others’ at will as an essential part of white supremacy.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:52:27pm

re: #107 EPR-radar

IIRC the late Roman Republic had political parties named “blues” and “greens” after the colors of chariot racing teams. The US isn’t quite at that level of decadence yet, but the GOP is sure working on it.

Yes, you are exactly correct. The “Nika” riots by chariot racing clubs (demes) ended up with much of Constantinople being destroyed. Of course, the subtext was that Justinian was trying to ‘reform’ the government and was entangled in a series of very messy wars resulting in unpopular taxes.

en.wikipedia.org

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No Malarkey!  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:53:07pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:54:03pm
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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:54:12pm

re: #104 Punish Domestic Terrorists

$400K a year is a lot of money.
U.S. median household income this year is $79,900. That’s household, not individual.

Sheesh. I’d love to hit $79k a year. That’d be insane amounts of money to me.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:54:14pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:54:26pm

re: #113 ckkatz

Yes, you are exactly correct. The “Nika” riots by chariot racing clubs (demes) ended up with much of Constantinople being destroyed. Of course, the subtext was that Justinian was trying to ‘reform’ the government and was entangled in a series of very messy wars resulting in unpopular taxes.

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for the link. I was off by 5 centuries on the date.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:54:27pm
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A Three Hour Tour  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:55:58pm

re: #84 Dangerman

slightly OT

you all know my position on gun accountability:
control your weapon at all times
you and only you are responsible for your weapon.

Draconian enforcement for **demonstrated** irresponsibility.
- your freedom (jail)
- your finances (criminal fines, civil suit exposure)
- your future (loss of 2A forever)
After a few cases the lazy and merely careless will clean up their act - they will learn to take their personal responsibility more seriously - or else.

i have seriously considered that every civil or criminal jury should be all gun owners only

i think it could work

Why does the Dangerman Doctrine seek to disqualify intelligent people like me, my wife, and adult children with good reasons not to own guns from serving on criminal and criminal juries?

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No Malarkey!  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:56:36pm

re: #112 EPR-radar

IMO cop unions are only part of the story. The deeper reason is that wingnuts view militarized police able to kill ‘others’ at will as an essential part of white supremacy.

In America, job one of armed whites has always been killing and oppressing poc.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2021 • 12:58:44pm

re: #121 No Malarkey!

In America, job one of armed whites has always been killing and oppressing poc.

Not quite - job one is protecting the wealth of the 1%. Killing and oppressing the poor and minorities is simply one of the means to that end.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:00:07pm

re: #109 Punish Domestic Terrorists

We have more parties. It’s the system itself that creates a situation where only two of them are contenders. We’d have to significantly change the system to allow more parties to thrive.

Very good point! Often, the number of US parties do increase in times of stress. In 1860 both the Democratic and Whig parties splintered. And as you pointed out, the US system is more of a winner take all type system.

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:01:45pm

re: #123 ckkatz

Very good point! Often, the number of US parties do increase in times of stress. In 1860 both the Democratic and Whig parties splintered. And as you pointed out, the US system is more of a winner take all type system.

I think we need a balance, because I definitely don’t want to be in the same position as Israel. However, the primary goal that I’d love to see accomplished in my lifetime, over and above the end of the two-party system, is to get true democratic representation. Unfuck the Senate, unfuck gerrymandering, and uncap the House from its artificially enforced limit of 435 members.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:03:42pm

re: #124 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

How do you propose we unfuck the Senate?

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:05:28pm

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

How do you propose we unfuck the Senate?

Primarily I’m in favor of either outright abolishment of the filibuster, or one of the various proposals to make it so that a filibuster will eventually end in cloture if a simple majority still votes for it.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:07:53pm

re: #118 EPR-radar

If I recall correctly, the clubs existed and were significant political and social forces even back in Roman days. So your timeline seems valid to me.

Even the Ancient Greeks had the issue of people dividing into interest groups and facing off in the streets. One example was in Athens the government divided the citizenry into 10 tribes (phylai) randomly across all geographic areas. (Kleisthenes’ reforms circa 508 BC) I do not think that it ended the strife though.

I guess that people dividing into interest and membership groups and battling it out on the streets is not a new thing. And unfortunately, there still seems to be a lot of bloodshed involved, despite humans supposed progress over the intervening millennia.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:08:33pm

re: #116 William Lewis

Sheesh. I’d love to hit $79k a year. That’d be insane amounts of money to me.

That’s about my income after 401K contributions, and it goes fast in a Chicago suburb. Rent alone is about $1,300/mo for my not-fancy 2-bedroom.

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ericblair  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:12:47pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

There’s virtually no circumstances under which wingnuts would agree that a cop deserved to be convicted. Why? Because cop unions have spent years turning the subject of police reform into a political fight where agreeing that there need to be reforms means you are “anti-cop/pro-crime.” So they always have to hedge any approval of a cop being convicted with blathering about “Just comply with the cop” or “He was no angel.”

We know one circumstance: they were gunning for the cop who perforated Ashli Babbitt while she was trying to overthrow the government.

I don’t think most of the cops understand that the white supremacists aren’t really pro-cop, and if the cops get inconvenient they’re fair game too.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:16:05pm

re: #128 Punish Domestic Terrorists

That’s about my income after 401K contributions, and it goes fast in a Chicago suburb. Rent alone is about $1,300/mo for my not-fancy 2-bedroom.

It’s 4x what I make. OTOH, my rent is $500/mo + utilities for my trailer so it sort of balances out. OTgrippingH, I’d stay in the trailer but have a decent car and the coin to finance my photography business…

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No Malarkey!  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:18:29pm

re: #122 William Lewis

Not quite - job one is protecting the wealth of the 1%. Killing and oppressing the poor and minorities is simply one of the means to that end.

Well, when they got to America, they had to kill indigenous people first in order to steal their land to have wealth to protect. Checkmate!

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:19:38pm

re: #128 Punish Domestic Terrorists

That’s about my income after 401K contributions, and it goes fast in a Chicago suburb. Rent alone is about $1,300/mo for my not-fancy 2-bedroom.

My wife and I make about $88k a year, which makes for quite a comfortable life in rural Arizona, especially because our mortgage is only $300 per month. It lets us buy new cars as our old ones died over the last few years.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:20:56pm

Worldmeter has added a new 7-day trends chart for world Covid -19 data.

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sagehen  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:21:19pm

re: #110 lawhawk

Hence, they oppose any modification to stop and frisk, even though it’s repeatedly shown to be discriminatory and contraband is found less among persons of color than whites (see NYC).

Time and again, persons of color are stopped in a disproportionate fashion, and no contraband, weapons, or other infractions found. Yet, they’re killed at a higher rate than whites while whites have more guns, contraband, or other infractions.

PBS is running a multi-part documentary about Larry Krasner, Philadelphia’s new (2018) progressive DA. He’s got HUGE battles with the police department. Part of the problem is that the union membership, voting members who chose union leadership, is about half retired cops. People from the Rizzo era.

In the first 2 eps, Krasner and his staff discovered that a bunch of the old guard in the DA’s office, people who are way too cozy with the cops, wiped their hard drives in the weeks between his election and swearing in. They found hidden paper files, buried in boxes nobody thought they’d go through, with a list of hundreds of cops on the do-not-call list, people who couldn’t testify because they had documented history of lying on reports, perjuring themselves on the stand, tampering with evidence, etc.

(he fired almost half the DA office in his first week; for good reasons he and his team chose not to detail to the press).

Among his first initiatives were to eliminate cash bail for non-violent misdemeanors, not file cases for marijuana possession or prostitution, and narrowing the criteria under which juvenile offenders are put into care.

I’m so fucking excited to see the next episode.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:21:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:23:44pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:24:52pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:25:58pm
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Dangerman  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:26:45pm

re: #120 A Three Hour Tour

Why does the Dangerman Doctrine seek to disqualify intelligent people like me, my wife, and adult children with good reasons not to own guns from serving on criminal and criminal juries?

it doesn’t. i’d have no problem with a defendant opting out of only gun owners, but why would they?

and not all juries - just those involving the demonstrative misuse of a weapon.
i dont mean like armed robbery.

forget the hardware, focus on the behavior.
“control your weapon at all times” is the rule.
it’s your gun.
- who but you, the legal owner, could possibly be responsible for your safely carrying, transporting, storing, brandishing, discharging, transferring (loaning, gifting, selling).

my overall goal is to reduce the number of gun deaths, injuries and incidents by culling out only the nutters, careless, and reckless, while leaving the rest of us alone.

my thinking is to cede all pro gun arguments - no matter what convoluted idea these people come up with.
Work with “all rights come with responsibilities”.
It’s something very hard to argue against.

same with juries.
there are more responsible gun owners than careless ones, so i think juries would still be fairly represented.

thanks to the NRA, right now the nutters are the public face of all gun owners.
I think the quietly responsible ones arent thrilled with this.

i have faith that not enough gun owners would want to reach a public verdict that whatever obviously idiotic thing this person did is somehow ok….

and after the verdict, it would be almost impossible to argue against 12 gun owners concluding this individual should lose his freedom, finances and future 2A rights.

of course it’s all just dumb theory

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:27:13pm
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Belafon  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:32:03pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

They should have gotten Michael Strahan while they were at it.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:32:20pm
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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:33:21pm

re: #139 Dangerman

it doesn’t. i’d have no problem with a defendant opting out of only gun owners, but why would they?

and not all juries - just those involving the demonstrative misuse of a weapon.
i dont mean like armed robbery.

forget the hardware, focus on the behavior.
“control your weapon at all times” is the rule.
it’s your gun.
- who but you, the legal owner, could possibly be responsible for your safely carrying, transporting, storing, brandishing, discharging, transferring (loaning, gifting, selling).

my overall goal is to reduce the number of gun deaths, injuries and incidents by culling out only the nutters, careless, and reckless, while leaving the rest of us alone.

my thinking is to cede all pro gun arguments - no matter what convoluted idea these people come up with.
Work with “all rights come with responsibilities”.
It’s something very hard to argue against.

same with juries.
there are more responsible gun owners than careless ones, so i think juries would still be fairly represented.

thanks to the NRA, right now the nutters are the public face of all gun owners.
I think the quietly responsible ones arent thrilled with this.

i have faith that not enough gun owners would want to reach a public verdict that whatever obviously idiotic thing this person did is somehow ok….

and after the verdict, it would be almost impossible to argue against 12 gun owners concluding this individual should lose his freedom, finances and future 2A rights.

of course it’s all just dumb theory

That doesn’t answer the question about why you’d even consider a plan where only gun owners may serve on certain juries. And you state that defendants could opt out of that requirement “but why would they”? That seems like a rather biased statement in favor of gun owners. I at least would appreciate more insight into your thinking as to why gun owners would be better jurors than citizens who choose not to own firearms.

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:34:00pm

re: #54 darthstar

In other words, it’s TikTok. Your average China-sourced Android app. I’ll bet that the API is available to any developer, for the price, or for free on the darknet.
///

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:35:06pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

My first thought was “Whatever works.”

But yes, there are a lot of performative @$$holes out there. And he is amongst them. *sigh*

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:35:50pm

I don’t always have time to listen to the Bob Cesca podcast, but the intro with Paul Harvey (edited) is great.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:36:32pm

re: #3 🌹UOJB!

The comments are great though. I have no idea who Cohn is writing to since MAGATs hate the NYT with a passion.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:39:20pm

re: #32 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

So my new coworker things the mRNA vaccines alter your genes.

Fuck me.

I’m going to get my genes altered in about 5 minutes. I’ll let you know if I get good 5G once it’s done.

I do have a new head growing in on my neck. I call him Harry.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:40:25pm

re: #117 lawhawk

Whatever happened to the Capitol Police officer who took selfies with the insurrectionists? I know he and at least 12 other officers were under investigation but didn’t hear anything else.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:41:27pm

I have a quality CEO. This is an older, well-off, white man.

Dear all,

On June 1, I sent a message to you in the wake of George Floyd’s death. In that note, I said that horrible murder was part of a history of racist violence against Black and brown people in our nation and that we all had a responsibility to contribute to the fight for equal treatment and against racism.

Yesterday’s murder verdict means that Derek Chauvin is being held accountable and that is an important step. However, we all know and we have all seen that racism continues to pervade our society. We have so much more work to do.

We have our own work to do to deepen and intensify our commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion at the Fund. I will refer to this at next week’s all employee meeting. In the meantime, as each of us responds in our own way to the events of this week, including the verdict and still more current news of police violence against people of color, I encourage you to engage with and support each other.

This is a moment for all of us to demonstrate that we are part of a community that cares not only about one other, but also about eliminating racism and injustice in our society.

Thank you and stay safe,
Matthew

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:43:44pm

Since the Second Amendment is Federal, the penalties for mismanagement of firearms needs to be federal as well. Don’t leave it to the fucking states. Failure to secure a firearm requires a federal penalty.

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:47:08pm

re: #151 Eric The Fruit Bat

Upding for truth. Arizona has few to no penalties. A co worker’s son took grandpa’s glock to school and killed himself with it. They handed the gun back the next day along with thoughts and prayers for an “unspeakable and unavoidable tragedy”. If gramps had his shit together a teenager would still be alive.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:54:01pm
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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:57:14pm

re: #127 ckkatz

If I recall correctly, the clubs existed and were significant political and social forces even back in Roman days. So your timeline seems valid to me.

Even the Ancient Greeks had the issue of people dividing into interest groups and facing off in the streets. One example was in Athens the government divided the citizenry into 10 tribes (phylai) randomly across all geographic areas. (Kleisthenes’ reforms circa 508 BC) I do not think that it ended the strife though.

I guess that people dividing into interest and membership groups and battling it out on the streets is not a new thing. And unfortunately, there still seems to be a lot of bloodshed involved, despite humans supposed progress over the intervening millennia.

The fundamental divide in Ancient Greece (and elsewhere) was between the wealthier few (who thought they should be the rulers) and everyone else. Kleisthenes’ reforms actually gave a boost to the “haves,” but it also broke up some other groups that had been a problem.

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Alephnaught  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:59:03pm

From previous thread:

re: #60 Ace-o-aces

[Quote from Milo alludes to: a defense of the “necessary [and] natural” instinct to hate disgusting things like Drag Queen Story Hour.

Hmmm… I’ve been involved with the Glasgow Order of Perpetual Indulgence for a couple of years now. We’re drag nuns, and we’ve also been doing storytimes. I wonder what is exactly a “necessary” or “natural” instinct to hate stuff like this:

Storytime: One Love

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Apr 21, 2021 • 1:59:45pm

re: #153 The Ghost of a Flea

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:03:35pm

re: #131 No Malarkey!

Well, when they got to America, they had to kill indigenous people first in order to steal their land to have wealth to protect. Checkmate!

Actually they didn’t. We all seem to forget that first contact, a century before the English started colonizing, killed off the vast majority of the population (we obviously can’t produce good numbers), so those 17th century arrivals found the surviving remnants, but they also found vast swathes of empty land, and had no idea that it had ever been inhabited.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:03:56pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:04:38pm

Back from getting shotted. No extra appendages, still on 4G (LTE if I’m really lucky), no side affects yet. Just a different hour of the same day.

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:04:49pm

re: #155 Alephnaught

While I’ve never seen your chapter, being from the American West, I have encountered several of your fellow chapters. Wonderful folks all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:06:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:07:52pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:08:55pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:16:30pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:18:49pm

re: #157 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Actually they didn’t. We all seem to forget that first contact, a century before the English started colonizing, killed off the vast majority of the population (we obviously can’t produce good numbers), so those 17th century arrivals found the surviving remnants, but they also found vast swathes of empty land, and had no idea that it had ever been inhabited.

Not exactly. The colonizers moved into the coastal villages emptied out by plague, they knew people had died en masse and celebrated that God had killed the natives for them—they also raided their grave goods—starting a pattern of fucking over and killing the post-apocalytpic survivors whose territory they had occupied. What they “didn’t know” about was how much more sophisticated the tribes further into the continent were prior to the pandemic…but they didn’t change their fundamental position that the land was theirs by divine right and the natives had no right to resist.

The nicest possible reading is that these people were just fine with mass death because they viewed themselves as having a divine right, and then they followed through on that divine right by engaging in as much ethnic cleansing as possible. Which is slightly better than “did it deliberately”…but then some dudes actually did take a shot at deliberately using disease against the natives precisely because they thought it would be effective.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:20:58pm

Interesting case today in Fairfax County, Virginia.

As you already know, traffic stops can provide the law officer with probable cause for crimes. This allows him to search the car for evidence of other crimes.

Use of a traffic stop for that purpose is referred to as a “pretextual stop”. And selecting black drivers for pretextual traffic stops is informally referred to as “Driving While Black”.

In April, 2018 a black DC firefighter was stopped in Fairfax County, Virginia for driving over a center line, taking too long to pull over, and having tinted windows. During the stop the officer searched the car and found two handguns and hundreds of Oxycontin tablets. In July, 2019 the firefighter, faced with up to 10 years in prison, agreed to a plea bargain and was sentenced to 3 years in prison.

In September, 2019, the officer was suspected of lying on some of his 400 traffic stops and an investigation started. In May, 2020 the officer resigned from the Fairfax County Police in return for no internal investigation files being placed in his personnel folder. He moved to Brevard County where in August, 2020 he was hired by the Sheriff’s Office. As investigation was not completed, the Sheriff’s Office had not been informed of it.

Also in 2020, the firefighter’s attorney heard about the investigation and requested the video from the stop. The new Fairfax County DA decided to provide it to the attorney even though he did not legally have to do so.

The attorney reviewed the tapes and found out that the firefighter had not driven across a center line, had pulled over promptly and did not have tinted windows. This eliminated the pretext for searching the car.

The Fairfax DA is moving to void all of the officer’s convictions and moved to free the firefighter from jail. The judge ruled today to free the firefighter. The Brevard Sheriff’s Office has fired the former officer. But no charges have been filed against the former officer.

D.C. firefighter to be freed from prison after conviction based on Fairfax County officer’s false claims is thrown out
washingtonpost.com

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:23:37pm

re: #163 Dread Pirate Ron

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Stuff like this makes me wonder what we would have done as a nation if the insurrection had succeeded.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:23:57pm

Well, time to steel myself preparatory to venturing out and foraging for my dinner.

bbl

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Dangerman  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:24:41pm

re: #143 DesertDenizen

That doesn’t answer the question about why you’d even consider a plan where only gun owners may serve on certain juries. And you state that defendants could opt out of that requirement “but why would they”? That seems like a rather biased statement in favor of gun owners. I at least would appreciate more insight into your thinking as to why gun owners would be better jurors than citizens who choose not to own firearms.

i definitely do not think ‘better’.

there is no incrementalizing this with assault rifle bans, stiffer background checks, waiting periods, and on and on.
the r’s are against *everything* and anything.
and we still sort of treat them as honest brokers on the other side of a legitimate argument. they are not but we cant seem to break that image of them.

so i drop 100% of the ‘gun control’ stuff and focus instead on demonstrable, inarguable bad behavior.

politically in my head i’ve tried to take away any possible opposition to it - the usual suspects and the bizarre.

i concede all the 2A ‘interpretation’s, *national* databases, bans, buy backs, mandatory registrations, insurance etc. they are all non starters against this group because they will not budge.

instead i focus on:
- every right comes with some responsibility - let em try arguing gun ownership doesnt.
- you, the gun owner, has total responsibility for controlling your weapon - let em try arguing someone else does and not you.

— i added only gun owner juries as another incentive to make this idealistic package in my head more palatable - let em try arguing such a jury would be biased against the defendants.

in my little world there are only two bad long term outcomes
the right never agrees that gun owners have any responsibility so this never gets off the ground.
or
it somehow manages to pass and the all gun owner juries don’t work and it goes amok.

either way they have delegitimized themselves past redemption (imo)
would we then be better off with them having said the quiet part out loud? i think so.

otoh - maybe, just maybe the 95+% of responsible gun owners actually do manage to ID and cull out some of the reckless, careless, crazies

maybe some gun dealers come to realize the minuscule incremental profit on sales to nutters isn’t worth the exposure

ok, i also want a pony

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:27:01pm

re: #169 Dangerman

Thank you for the clarification. I didn’t have a issue with the rest, just the jury portion. It felt a little too much like “only cops can judge cops”, which the Arizona legislature is pushing. I appreciate your answer and rationale.

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🌹UOJB!  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:29:21pm
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Florida Panhandler  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:35:14pm

re: #117 lawhawk

Note to anyone with a heartbeat: 1/6/2021 was only a test run of what is to come if the right wing gets their way again. The next time will be a different outcome.

Much bloodier. Much more fascism involved. And with far more concentration camps.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:36:20pm

re: #42 DodgerFan1988

Nobody is saying that the police are always wrong. I’m not passing judgment on cases such as those raised by Walsh until more evidence comes out. However, in cases such as George Floyd, Eric Garner, Breonna Taylor and Sandra Bland, there’s no such ambiguity.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:36:48pm

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A Cranky One  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:37:04pm

When my kids were young I was doing a lot of remodeling on the house. Every time I stopped using a power tool, the tool got unplugged. Because I understood the danger of a kid turning on the tool. Dangerous tools should be respected.

Why can’t gun nuts understand that?

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:39:18pm

re: #175 A Cranky One

When my kids were young I was doing a lot of remodeling on the house. Every time I stopped using a power tool, the tool got unplugged. Because I understood the danger of a kid turning on the tool. Dangerous tools should be respected.

Why can’t gun nuts understand that?

That a self answering question — because they are gun nuts.

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Nojay UK  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:41:20pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

Brings new meaning to the phrase “capping someone”.

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:44:36pm

re: #169 Dangerman

This is a rational proposal for dealing with the US cult of the gun, although I don’t agree with the juries part. I’m a big fan of eliminating the idea of “accidental discharge” of a firearm from the law. Every gunshot has a responsible party, and that responsible party should be held responsible for all civil and criminal consequences of that gunshot.

But rational responses to the US cult of the gun aren’t going to get the job done, since gun nuts and the rest of the US right are completely irrational, and way too many in the mushy middle persist in pretending the right isn’t completely irrational.

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Dangerman  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:45:34pm

re: #170 DesertDenizen

Thank you for the clarification. I didn’t have a issue with the rest, just the jury portion. It felt a little too much like “only cops can judge cops”, which the Arizona legislature is pushing. I appreciate your answer and rationale.

i have a habit of shortcutting my comments sometimes.
i’ve been living with these ideas for so many years i figure everyone can see inside my head.
sometimes it’s easier to just throw out the bumper sticker line and explain it later if someone’s interested

this is the entire elevator pitch:
- the goal is to weed out the crazies, the dangerous, the close to the edge, ****and leave everyone else (ie the responsible ones) alone*******

- Responsible gun owners should be screaming to cull out the nutters and only the nutters. Instead, with the steadfast help of the NRA they’ve made the nutters the face of all gun ownership.

- Reframe ‘control’ to ‘accountability’. Punish bad behavior (it’s a start).

- control your weapon - it’s infantile to argue the 2A comes with no accountability.

- Draconian enforcement for **demonstrated** irresponsibility.
- Risk it and lose your freedom, finances, and future.

- After a few cases the lazy and merely careless will clean up their act - they will learn to take their personal responsibility more seriously - or they won’t.

- The rest of us, who were already mostly responsible, **won’t have to do anything at all**. there is no threat to anyone who has not demonstrated loss of control.

in the end, juries, what’s a reasonable background check, etc. are just details.

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Dangerman  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:48:41pm

time to work some dinner magic

breaded baked cod and carrot fries dusted with garam masala

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:49:27pm

re: #178 EPR-radar

This is a rational proposal for dealing with the US cult of the gun, although I don’t agree with the juries part. I’m a big fan of eliminating the idea of “accidental discharge” of a firearm from the law. Every gunshot has a responsible party, and that responsible party should be held responsible for all civil and criminal consequences of that gunshot.

But rational responses to the US cult of the gun aren’t going to get the job done, since gun nuts and the rest of the US right are completely irrational, and way too many in the mushy middle persist in pretending the right isn’t completely irrational.

In my job there are no such thing as traffic accidents. We call them crashes. Accident implies no fault or root cause. Crashes have a fault or cause, usually human operator but occasionally systemic such as a poorly designed intersection. Guns should be treated the same way. Negligent discharges instead of accident discharges. Someone did something wrong and the gun went bang. As Dangerman says, hold that person liable for it.

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:50:51pm

re: #179 Dangerman

i have a habit of shortcutting my comments sometimes.
i’ve been living with these ideas for so many years i figure everyone can see inside my head.
sometimes it’s easier to just throw out the bumper sticker line and explain it later if someone’s interested

this is the entire elevator pitch:
- the goal is to weed out the crazies, the dangerous, the close to the edge, ****and leave everyone else (ie the responsible ones) alone*******

- Responsible gun owners should be screaming to cull out the nutters and only the nutters. Instead, with the steadfast help of the NRA they’ve made the nutters the face of all gun ownership.

- Reframe ‘control’ to ‘accountability’. Punish bad behavior (it’s a start).

- control your weapon - it’s infantile to argue the 2A comes with no accountability.

- Draconian enforcement for **demonstrated** irresponsibility.
- Risk it and lose your freedom, finances, and future.

- After a few cases the lazy and merely careless will clean up their act - they will learn to take their personal responsibility more seriously - or they won’t.

- The rest of us, who were already mostly responsible, **won’t have to do anything at all**. there is no threat to anyone who has not demonstrated loss of control.

in the end, juries, what’s a reasonable background check, etc. are just details.

The modern American Right has shown itself to be nothing BUT infantile. Screaming about rights but fighting tooth and nail against any responsibility or accountability.

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:54:22pm

re: #182 DesertDenizen

The modern American Right has shown itself to be nothing BUT infantile. Screaming about rights but fighting tooth and nail against any responsibility or accountability.

I’m honestly wondering if the average American wingnut in 2021 is more deplorable than the average Nazi party member in 1939.

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🌹UOJB!  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:55:58pm

More replies from Matt’s Fan Club!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:56:30pm
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:57:01pm

re: #171 🌹UOJB!

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🌹UOJB!  Apr 21, 2021 • 2:58:55pm

re: #186 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Ah memories of Frank & Lisa doing this live…

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:01:10pm

I was just staring out the window at this rainstorm and thought “Blue…that was the name I gave to the 6” one-hit bong I kept in a hole in the drywall of my closet in high school. Blue. Blue…. I miss you, Blue.”

Of course, my version of Citizen Kane would be shot in B/W so no one would ever be sure why it was called “Blue.”

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🌹UOJB!  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:06:07pm

Are we surprised?

Nope.

Lofgren: Capitol Police official being investigated for directions to pursue only ‘anti-Trump’ protesters Jan. 6

Gee, I wonder who issued that order?

politico.com

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:06:29pm

re: #181 DesertDenizen

In my job there are no such thing as traffic accidents. We call them crashes. Accident implies no fault or root cause. Crashes have a fault or cause, usually human operator but occasionally systemic such as a poorly designed intersection. Guns should be treated the same way. Negligent discharges instead of accident discharges. Someone did something wrong and the gun went bang. As Dangerman says, hold that person liable for it.

I don’t see a need to even have the concept of negligent discharge of a firearm in the law. Guns are deadly weapons, therefore negligence is not a permissible concept. In cases where the shooter is clearly not responsible (e.g. a toddler), charge the responsible adult as if that adult had done the shooting.

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🌹UOJB!  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:06:29pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:07:47pm

re: #189 🌹UOJB!

Are we surprised?

Nope.

Lofgren: Capitol Police official being investigated for directions to pursue only ‘anti-Trump’ protesters Jan. 6

Gee, I wonder who issued that order?

politico.com

Heads should roll for this. Literally.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:08:09pm
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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:09:35pm

re: #190 EPR-radar

I don’t see a need to even have the concept of negligent discharge of a firearm in the law. Guns are deadly weapons, therefore negligence is not a permissible concept. In cases where the shooter is clearly not responsible (e.g. a toddler), charge the responsible adult as if that adult had done the shooting.

When I talk about a negligent discharge it isn’t an excuse, it’s a crime. It’s the term I’d use for any round fired unintentionally, and I’m good with all of them being some level of crime. The worse the harm, the worse the crime, up to some level of homicide.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:13:07pm

re: #193 HRH Stanley Sea

Very good article w/timeline

1965
Stone Mountain Park officially opens, on the 100th anniversary of Abraham Lincoln’s assassination.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:13:46pm

What a shitstain.

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:20:49pm

re: #194 DesertDenizen

When I talk about a negligent discharge it isn’t an excuse, it’s a crime. It’s the term I’d use for any round fired unintentionally, and I’m good with all of them being some level of crime. The worse the harm, the worse the crime, up to some level of homicide.

I still don’t see the need for a separate category, in principle. Perhaps as a practical matter to change a 0.0001% chance of enacting it to 0.00011%.

I’m just attracted to the simplicity of toddler gets a gun that was intentionally unsecured + someone dies = murder 2 (minimally) for the asshat that didn’t secure his gun.

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Dangerman  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:22:00pm

re: #190 EPR-radar

I don’t see a need to even have the concept of negligent discharge of a firearm in the law. Guns are deadly weapons, therefore negligence is not a permissible concept. In cases where the shooter is clearly not responsible (e.g. a toddler), charge the responsible adult as if that adult had done the shooting.

i came back to look up a recipe.

in my world:

the legal gun *owner* is responsible for anything and everything associated with a weapon.
they have total authority and control over how it’s used, misused, stored, transported, transferred etc.

who else but the legal owner?

it is possible for someone else to *also* be responsible.
say if you loan it to someone.
you *still* remain primarily liable for the judgment and circumstances of the loan.
it’s your gun.
the other person is also liable for what happened while it was in their possession.
dont lend your gun to anyone who isnt as responsible as you.

a child is never responsible. in my world a child cannot be a gun owner:
- they cannot possibly assume total personal responsibility for anything and everything. they can’t even fully understand what it means. they cannot control their weapon at all times

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jaunte  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:24:40pm
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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:25:24pm

re: #197 EPR-radar

I’m using it as a broader term. I agree with your example. I’m expanding it to include the jackass who fails to clear his weapon before cleaning it and lodges a 9mm slug in his ceiling. That’s not murder, and one is freely allowed to damage one’s own property, so what do we call that? It’s a negligent discharge, and cause for revocation of your firearm rights.

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:29:28pm

re: #199 jaunte

It is definitely time to stop this endless coddling of stupidity. Just like the other anti-vaxxers, the anti covid19 vaccine people are being stupid.

The information needed to remedy their supposed ignorance is out there, but they refuse to consider it. That means their stupidity is willful.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:29:46pm

re: #195 HRH Stanley Sea

Very good article w/timeline

1965
Stone Mountain Park officially opens, on the 100th anniversary of Abraham Lincoln’s assassination.

Lots of articles about the future of Stone Mountain being “in doubt.” Baloney! It has no place in the modern world except as an example of racist propaganda. Instead of jackhammering the image of Lee, Jackson, and Davis off the rock, though, I think we should add the Gates of Hell to the left so the 3 traitors appear to be riding into them. If enough money could be raised we could add Lincoln, Sherman, and Grant pursuing them on the other side.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:30:13pm

re: #200 DesertDenizen

I’m using it as a broader term. I agree with your example. I’m expanding it to include the jackass who fails to clear his weapon before cleaning it and lodges a 9mm slug in his ceiling. That’s not murder, and one is freely allowed to damage one’s own property, so what do we call that? It’s a negligent discharge, and cause for revocation of your firearm rights.

Perhaps for something like that suspension pending retraining? Treat incidents like that as being more akin to a moving violation that accrues points against your drivers license with training being able to remove the points as Wisconsin does with drivers?

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:31:04pm

re: #200 DesertDenizen

I’m using it as a broader term. I agree with your example. I’m expanding it to include the jackass who fails to clear his weapon before cleaning it and lodges a 9mm slug in his ceiling. That’s not murder, and one is freely allowed to damage one’s own property, so what do we call that? It’s a negligent discharge, and cause for revocation of your firearm rights.

Point taken. Make a new crime out of any negligent discharge that isn’t presently criminalized.

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Dangerman  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:34:01pm

re: #194 DesertDenizen

When I talk about a negligent discharge it isn’t an excuse, it’s a crime. It’s the term I’d use for any round fired unintentionally, and I’m good with all of them being some level of crime. The worse the harm, the worse the crime, up to some level of homicide.

* potential harm

unless you are pulling and pointing your weapon in response to an actual imminent threat to your life, you are brandishing and that’s threatening.

in my world brandishing even without discharging is a heinous act
that you didnt shoot, and that no one got hurt, is irrelevant.
you used it as a threat and therefore lost control of your weapon
the danger was imminent to everyone in the vicinity.

the rule is clear:
control your weapon at all times or risk draconian enforcement.
lose your freedom, finance and future (that means 2A rights)

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:35:51pm

re: #203 William Lewis

Perhaps for something like that suspension pending retraining? Treat incidents like that as being more akin to a moving violation that accrues points against your drivers license with training being able to remove the points as Wisconsin does with drivers?

I can get behind that. No harm to life merits a suspension, not a lifetime ban. But retraining is required.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:36:19pm
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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:37:02pm

re: #205 Dangerman

* potential harm

unless you are pulling and pointing your weapon in response to an actual imminent threat to your life, you are brandishing and that’s threatening.

in my world brandishing even without discharging is a heinous act
that you didnt shoot, and that no one got hurt, is irrelevant.
you used it as a threat and therefore lost control of your weapon
the danger was imminent to everyone in the vicinity.

the rule is clear:
control your weapon at all times or risk draconian enforcement.
lose your freedom, finance and future (that means 2A rights)

I agree. I’m also concerned about the idiots that aren’t even brandishing, like my example of a discharge during cleaning, or an inappropriate one at the range.

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Dangerman  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:38:04pm

re: #200 DesertDenizen

I’m using it as a broader term. I agree with your example. I’m expanding it to include the jackass who fails to clear his weapon before cleaning it and lodges a 9mm slug in his ceiling. That’s not murder, and one is freely allowed to damage one’s own property, so what do we call that? It’s a negligent discharge, and cause for revocation of your firearm rights.

re: #203 William Lewis

re: #204 EPR-radar

Point taken. Make a new crime out of any negligent discharge that isn’t presently criminalized.

but nope.
no one gets a second chance.
if you cant control your weapon at all times, you’ve proven you arent responsible enough to keep and bear arms

that bullet that lodged in the ceiling easily could have gone through a wall, window or wherever.

there are no accidents.
don’t fuck up.
ever.

no really, it’s dinner time.

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:40:21pm

re: #209 Dangerman

I agree about no accidents. Any screw up can kill someone, and deserves harsh response. Now go have dinner!

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A Mom Anon  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:42:01pm

re: #195 HRH Stanley Sea

Kemp appointed him, so I already have trust issues. I don’t know anything about Rev. Mosley, so I will reserve judgment and say it’s time for change. Hopefully this is the beginning of progress.

The Klan still gathers at Stone Mountain. There just aren’t huge rallies up there anymore, they’re more on the down low about it. When I first moved down here, back in the mid 80s, I rode a bike almost everywhere and one morning I saw full Klan regailia on a half a dozen guys headed to the parking lot of a city park I rode by daily. The town I live in features a huge old building full of Civil War and assorted racist memorabilia. With a sign on the front door that says White History Year. In 2021. Smack in the middle of a downtown rejuvenation with restaurants, shops, a railroad museum, and lots of other little locally owned places that aren’t peddling racist souvenirs. And no one really bats an eyelash. Georgia has a lot of growing up to do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:45:17pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:45:27pm

re: #201 EPR-radar

It is definitely time to stop this endless coddling of stupidity. Just like the other anti-vaxxers, the anti covid19 vaccine people are being stupid.

The information needed to remedy their supposed ignorance is out there, but they refuse to consider it. That means their stupidity is willful.

I’m truly sorry you don’t want to hear from the foremost expert in the US on infectious diseases. Too bad. If you’re waiting for Fox News to tell you, forget it. You’re lost. The only thing you’ll get from me is derision. Full fucking stop.

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:47:05pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hey Tucker, guess what? You’re a public figure now, and you know what that means? TOUGH FUCKING SHIT. Every last bit of your business is now our business - and if you’ve been holding out on us, that’s your own damn fault. Enjoy the humiliation of having all your teenage and young-adult stupidity laid out for all to see. Ask Gaspedo Gaetz how that works out.

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:47:47pm

re: #128 Punish Domestic Terrorists

That’s about my income after 401K contributions, and it goes fast in a Chicago suburb. Rent alone is about $1,300/mo for my not-fancy 2-bedroom.

Food $200
Data $150
Rent $1,300
Alcohol $3,600
Utility $150
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my family is dying

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A Cranky One  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:48:10pm

re: #209 Dangerman

but nope.
no one gets a second chance.
if you cant control your weapon at all times, you’ve proven you arent responsible enough to keep and bear arms

that bullet that lodged in the ceiling easily could have gone through a wall, window or wherever.

there are no accidents.
don’t fuck up.
ever.

no really, it’s dinner time.

But mom, it was an accident…

real923la.iheart.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:48:25pm
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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:48:49pm

re: #213 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

To them everything is personal. Truth and fact are reliant on the speaker. And they only believe speakers who make them feel good by reinforcing their existing world view such as Fox News and other Right Wing media, and TFG. Being challenged in any way is anathema to them.

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:49:29pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fuck Tucker Carlson with rusty farm tools. What we’re seeing is that he’s been a evil piece of shit for a long time. E.g., belonging to a Dan White society in high school.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:49:45pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:50:57pm

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:50:58pm

re: #209 Dangerman

Sorry but that’s as ignorant as current law. Now if you’re trying to be hyperbolic and sarcastic that’s a different thing but this is just as foolish if meant seriously. You do not change and improve behavior this way any more than you would by taking away someone’s drivers license for doing a rolling stop at a stop sign that did not cause an accident. DUI? Sure. Minor infraction? No.

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:51:00pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also the fact that people who work in “intellectual professions” are frequently exhausted because our brains are moving at 120 mph all day, every day, and unlike physical labor, our brains don’t get to take a break until we’re asleep. Which doesn’t always happen.

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:51:09pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:53:48pm
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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:54:36pm

re: #225 The Pie Overlord!

The memes practically write themselves. His resting “durr, whut” face is perfect for the format.

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:55:39pm

re: #222 William Lewis

Sorry but that’s as ignorant as current law. Now if you’re trying to be hyperbolic and sarcastic that’s a different thing but this is just as foolish if meant seriously. You do not change and improve behavior this way any more than you would by taking away someone’s drivers license for doing a rolling stop at a stop sign that did not cause an accident. DUI? Sure. Minor infraction? No.

Your argument doesn’t quite match. This would be the equivalent of rolling your car though your fence. If you stop in your yard its probably ok. But if you stop in your neighbor’s yard on top of their kids, that’s a totally different thing.

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 3:58:00pm

re: #222 William Lewis

The question is though, is discharging a round unintentionally a minor infraction? Does it depend on where it is and the power of the round? A 9mm round in an apartment building is much more dangerous than a .22 in a rural home on several acres.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:01:15pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

Every damn day dumbasses post on Governor Beshear’s twitter feed that they will not comply, like they deserve a medal for heroism, when they are just dumbasses getting people killed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:03:37pm

my shocked face

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Florida Panhandler  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:05:37pm

re: #201 EPR-radar

It is definitely time to stop this endless coddling of stupidity. Just like the other anti-vaxxers, the anti covid19 vaccine people are being stupid.

The information needed to remedy their supposed ignorance is out there, but they refuse to consider it. That means their stupidity is willful.

Their stupidity is not only willful it is celebrated within their community.

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:07:12pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

my shocked face

[Embedded content]

Is the CEO of ApiJect a friend of Jared? We may never know.

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Florida Panhandler  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:08:14pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

my shocked face

Next on the list of questions about this naked crony capitalism is exactly how much did this company and its officers contribute to Trump’s campaign?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:12:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:15:59pm
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retired cynic  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:25:02pm

Meet Biden’s Postal Service nominees, who could add pressure on Louis DeJoy
Skepticism of the postmaster general looms large in the confirmation hearings for Democrats Ron Stroman and Anton Hajjar and independent Amber McReynolds
washingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:30:32pm

uhhh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:32:40pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

Quadro Tracker

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:33:36pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

Quadro Tracker

BUT OF COURSE!!!

The Quadro Tracker was invented by Wade L. Quattlebaum, a former used car salesman from Harleyville, South Carolina.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:34:30pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

BUT OF COURSE!!!

Sounding more and more Vonnegutesque.

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:48:32pm

Heh. Was talking to Mrs. Fish about the Chauvin case, and when I mentioned that the BBC was carrying the coverage “live, from the Hennepin County Government Center,” she responded, “Oh, that’s right, Minneapolis is in our county, isn’t it? Because you said Hennepin County, and I was like, ‘We’re in Hennepin County out here,’ but it includes Minneapolis.” I guess she didn’t process that our little slice of Americana is now infamous around the world.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:51:31pm
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Sherlock Hound  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:55:51pm

I get embarrassed when I get extended mentions on Twitter. I can’t imagine what Taibbi is (not) thinking of right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:57:52pm
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darthstar  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:57:54pm

re: #243 Sherlock Hound

I get embarrassed when I get extended mentions on Twitter. I can’t imagine what Taibbi is (not) thinking of right now.

I just finished a 20 minute jam band ride on the Peloton and my legs are a little tired, but I have tequila and should be fine. Need I query Matt?

BTW, 20 minutes is plenty at the end of the day. I like to go about a half hour to 45 minutes. Did an hour ride the other day and it felt longer than I needed. But the 20 minute rides are good because you can squeeze one in between meetings and not necessarily need to shower. Throw in a 5 min warm up/cool down and it becomes 30. Math. Huh.

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 4:59:50pm

These guys must reeeeeeally be triggered:

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DesertDenizen  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:00:45pm

re: #246 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

Sorry Dave, anti-racist =/= anti-white.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:01:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:02:29pm

re: #246 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

These guys must reeeeeeally be triggered:

Mayonnaise will be outlawed

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:02:49pm

re: #245 darthstar

I just finished a 20 minute jam band ride on the Peloton and my legs are a little tired, but I have tequila and should be fine. Need I query Matt?

I’m sure Matt will say “Oh, you’re Different!”

Myself, I have been exhausted, depressed and miserable. It doesn’t get better. I suppose a bank deposit from Moscow alleviates depression. Right, Matt?

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:02:50pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mayonnaise will be outlawed

AT LAST MY TIME HAS COME. The reign of Miracle Whip is now at hand.

[Ducks.]

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Dread Pirate Ron  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:04:21pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:09:52pm

Cinder cone (the video is wrongly titled “Crater”) collapse… and people decide it would probably be a good idea to move and get out of the way of the on coming lava:

Crater collapses - Geldingadalur, Iceland 2021



..

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O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:11:14pm

re: #253 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

“Sigh… Okay, fine, THAT looks a little bit dangerous, so we’ll move off a little ways just to make sure we’re safe.”

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A Three Hour Tour  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:12:12pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mayonnaise will be outlawed

Good.

Mayonnaise makes me retch and the slightest taste of it on my food ruins my dining experience for at least an hour.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:14:24pm
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retired cynic  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:15:51pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:18:45pm

re: #218 DesertDenizen

To them everything is personal. Truth and fact are reliant on the speaker. And they only believe speakers who make them feel good by reinforcing their existing world view such as Fox News and other Right Wing media, and TFG. Being challenged in any way is anathema to them.

What surprises me is that my Trumpster FB friend who excoriated Maxine Walters the other day has been silent since the Chauvin verdict was released. She is a big Tucker fan and it seems very unlike her not to regurgitate his latest talking points.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:19:02pm
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🌹UOJB!  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:19:59pm

re: #251 O say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave..

AT LAST MY TIME HAS COME. The reign of Miracle Whip is now at hand.

[Ducks.]

Mom made her mayo from scratch with our blender and it tasted a LOT better than Hellman’s.

When we went to see family in Myrtle Beach, Mom would always stock up on Duke’s Mayo. You can taste the difference.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:24:08pm

The COVID case rate is going up in San Diego county. Not by much, but by a little bit over the past couple of weeks.

People are just getting sloppy. Careless. Even lazier mask-techniques. My local grocery store is not as dedicated to cleaning their carts (and they don’t stock the hand-wipes at the door as they had prior 12 months. Then again, I see many people just not using them anymore… sigh.)

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mmmirele  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:26:21pm

re: #99 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Better still: Dan White was the originator of the “twinkie defense”. In short, he argued that he had been eating too many Twinkies at the time of the murders, and that was obviously a symptom of mental illness and diminished cognitive capacity, and therefore he was not guilty, ladies and gentlemen of the jury (which they bought).

I’m oversimplifying, but not by much.

One of my friends told me last night that he has made a point of leaving a few discreet footprints on Dan White’s grave in Golden Gate National Cemetery. (His grandfather and Rep. Leo J. Ryan are also buried there and that’s why he visits.) Mayor Moscone is buried in the cemetery in Colma, just south of San Francisco, which he also visits from time to time.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:30:55pm
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🌹UOJB!  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:32:19pm

What happens when you say something naughty about Marky Mark’s Right Wing pals…

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danarchy  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:36:58pm

re: #261 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The COVID case rate is going up in San Diego county. Not by much, but by a little bit over the past couple of weeks.

People are just getting sloppy. Careless. Even lazier mask-techniques. My local grocery store is not as dedicated to cleaning their carts (and they don’t stock the hand-wipes at the door as they had prior 12 months. Then again, I see many people just not using them anymore… sigh.)

The longer this goes on the more we learn.

The CDC guidance on fomites is that transmission through surfaces is rare. The grocery store would be better served installing or upgrading air filtration than all the cart cleaning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:38:53pm
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jaunte  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:40:33pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:41:33pm

re: #265 danarchy

The grocery store would be better served installing or upgrading air filtration…

But if people do not wear masks the air filters are not going to be sufficient. Most supermarkets have huge voluminous buildings, and air filtration to work would be humongous.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Apr 21, 2021 • 5:45:27pm

thread continues

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SerialUpDinger  Apr 21, 2021 • 6:01:17pm

Link This wonderful article discusses the woman and the photographer in this visually stunning photograph. Kent State - 50 years in the past? Where did the time go.

Kent State - Four Dead in Ohio
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jaunte  Apr 21, 2021 • 6:01:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2021 • 6:04:34pm
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No Malarkey!  Apr 21, 2021 • 6:08:58pm

A big reason for Brexit was to restrict immigration from the EU. But how many Indians could move to the UK? There are only 1.3 billion of them.

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darthstar  Apr 21, 2021 • 7:01:50pm

re: #257 retired cynic

I have.

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carey94tt  Apr 21, 2021 • 7:42:53pm

re: #15 A Cranky One

One of the best concerts I ever attended was early Genesis with Peter Gabriel. Saw them just after Selling England by the Pound was released.

So I really enjoyed this:

boingboing.net

Do did I. Peter Gabriel was pretty weird in the day. I missed all that.

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austin_blue  Apr 21, 2021 • 8:08:31pm

re: #36 EPR-radar

One reform that should be considered in view of all of this is truly independent review of police body camera video in all use of force incidents. Body cam video under control of the police system is very easy to suppress.

Another reform that should be considered is to look at who is routinely reported to the Department as a bad cop. It’s not unusual for 5% of LEOs to account for 50% of complaints in a municipality.

And those costs cost a community a shot-pot of money.

Three strikes and you are out.

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austin_blue  Apr 21, 2021 • 8:12:59pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

To clarify, blatant homophobia would not have been a disqualifier at CIA in 1991, though the winds of change were already stirring, especially in intelligence work. A casual attitude toward political violence would be, though. They take their assassinations seriously.

As they would recreational drug use.


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