WATCH LIVE: President Biden’s Press Conference After Meeting With Putin

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Joe Biden’s press conference will start shortly, but while we wait we can enjoy the view of Lake Geneva.

President Joe Biden and Russian President Vladimir Putin have begun their high-stakes summit at an 18th century villa on the banks of Lake Geneva in Switzerland, the final event of Biden’s first foreign trip as commander in chief.

Both U.S. and Russian officials have downplayed expectations from the meeting, which is expected to last four to five hours, but could go longer, a senior Biden Administration official told reporters Tuesday on Air Force One. Putin and Biden will hold separate press conferences following their meeting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:14:16am

Putin misses his lap dog…

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:15:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:17:43am

re: #2 teleskiguy

Summits with Trump were more like employee review meetings.

Just reminding Trump what sort of kompromat they had on him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:18:53am

no teleprompters.

heh

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:19:26am
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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:20:26am

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Summits with Trump were more like employee review meetings.

Just reminding Trump what sort of kompromat they had on him.

Oh and Vlad doesn’t just have Kompromat on Ex Prez Golden Rain. He’s got lots of Kompromat on plenty of Republicans.

I’m still in awe of how Putin has taken total control over the Republican Party!

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:20:39am
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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:21:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:22:48am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:23:32am
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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:25:14am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

They had 6 hours scheduled between 1-on-1 and group meetings.

It lasted only 3 hours in total.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:25:37am
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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:26:59am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone needs to primary her ass. Unlike Manchin, she isn’t representing a deep red state where she has to act like a Republican to keep her seat.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:27:21am

re: #12 No Malarkey!

Trump wins the coveted “terrorist’s niece” endorsement.

Poe’s Law needs to be rewritten

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:27:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:30:24am
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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:30:52am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sinema (in CL4P-TP’s voice): Look, everyone, I’m a maverick!

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:31:57am

re: #15 darthstar

Every member of the Oathkeepers, Proud Boys and 3 Percenters who helped plan or participated in the failed coup need to go to prison for a very long time, unless they can provide testimony to convict members of Trump’s inner circle. These fascists need to experience the consequences of treason.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:32:07am

re: #7 No Malarkey!

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You know if manchin was such a consequential senator, he’d have been high in the news for years

This is a twist of fate at the end of a career and really not much else to see looking back

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:32:44am

re: #18 No Malarkey!

Every member of the Oathkeepers, Proud Boys and 3 Percenters who helped plan or participated in the failed coup need to go to prison for a very long time, unless they can provide testimony to convict members of Trump’s inner circle. These fascists need to experience the consequences of treason.

Couldn’t agree more.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:32:46am

re: #15 darthstar

It’s always a fucking grift with these assholes. ALWAYS.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:36:07am

re: #19 Dangerman

You know if manchin was such a consequential senator, he’d have been high in the news for years

This is a twist of fate at the end of a career and really not much else to see looking back

The unfortunate result of failing to win Senate seats in NC and Maine. Except for the fortuitous victories in the Georgia Senate runoffs, Manchin would be irrelevant.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:36:12am
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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:39:07am

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Because you know the dementia calls are coming: “He who has never gotten their kids’ names wrong can cast the first stone.”

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DesertDenizen  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:39:46am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Goddammit! WTF is wrong with her? I’m tired of her trying to be a special snowflake.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:39:53am
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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:40:38am

re: #15 darthstar

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They’ve taken their cue from Wayne lapierre

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DesertDenizen  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:40:42am

re: #13 No Malarkey!

Someone needs to primary her ass. Unlike Manchin, she isn’t representing a deep red state where she has to act like a Republican to keep her seat.

Problem is we’ve got her for four more years. Kelly has to defend his seat in 2022.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:41:04am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shade?

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retired cynic  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:42:28am

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:43:13am

re: #30 retired cynic

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…or think of

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:45:29am
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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:46:06am
The Republican Party is just a name. The bulk of it is a populist, nationalist party led by Donald Trump… The Republican Party, pre-2016, are the modern Whigs.”

— Steve Bannon, in an interview with The Atlantic

About this, not totally wrong

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:46:10am

President Biden is kicking ass at this press conference. And he just eviscerated the Jan 6 insurrectionists as criminals.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:46:26am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:47:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:47:46am

Q: “Do you believe you can trust [Putin]?”

A: “Look, this is not about trust, it is about self-interest and verification of self-interest.”

Could not ask for a better answer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:49:07am

re: #34 darthstar

President Biden is kicking ass at this press conference. And he just eviscerated the Jan 6 insurrectionists as criminals.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:50:04am
new Monmouth poll finds President Joe Biden’s large spending plans remain broadly popular, including the Covid stimulus plan passed early in his term (60% support), his proposed infrastructure package (68%), and his proposal to expand access to health care, college, paid leave and other services (61%).

However, Biden’s approval rate has dipped six points to 48% as progress on these measures has stalled.

People want action
Not bipartisanship

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:50:34am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:50:40am

Is there no god?

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:51:17am

re: #41 I Would Prefer Not To

Is there no god?

There is, but shit like this does honestly make me question His motives from time to time.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:51:24am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Secret Service doesn’t like it.

I can’t stand warm weather, and wearing suits in this kind of weather sucks. From safety perspective, I get wearing the suit, but comfort matters too.

But even wearing just the shirt and tie, Biden’s more put together than his predecessor. Taller too.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:51:30am

re: #28 DesertDenizen

Problem is we’ve got her for four more years. Kelly has to defend his seat in 2022.

Makes it all the more important to keep the House and add new Democratic Senators in the midterms, as hard as that will be to accomplish.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:51:42am

re: #36 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Someone should put the cheat sheet the my pillow guy had when he tried to get Trump to overthrow the election.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:52:29am

Fuckin’ Doocy. I really dislike that asshole.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:52:34am
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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:53:11am

re: #41 I Would Prefer Not To

Is there no god?

The RNC will have to buy a lot of copies of that hot garbage. I wouldn’t read it if I got a copy for free.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:53:30am

Note that the media didn’t shout at Putin as he left.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:53:53am

Want to see how ransomware attacks end?

Threaten Iran, Russia, and other rogue nations with crippling their oil producers with ransomware attacks that would make it impossible for them to produce, export, or manage their oil production - which is their largest export/product.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:55:05am

“If you don’t understand that, you’re in the wrong business…”

lol

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:55:40am

re: #41 I Would Prefer Not To

Is there no god?

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Sure
Look who doesn’t have a book deal…

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:57:59am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

It’s idiocy. The virus was not engineered, it evolved in the wild. Which means if the scientists discovered it in the wild, it was going to jump to humans and trigger a pandemic whether it leaked from the lab or not. This is just more bullshit to divert attention from Trump’s utter failure to address the pandemic.

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Teddy's Person  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:59:29am

I thought I’d seen all of the Trump nicknames but saw a new one today.

Slobfather 😁😁

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:00:19am

re: #53 No Malarkey!

It’s idiocy. The virus was not engineered, it evolved in the wild. Which means if the scientists discovered it in the wild, it was going to jump to humans and trigger a pandemic whether it leaked from the lab or not. This is just more bullshit to divert attention from Trump’s utter failure to address the pandemic.

It doesn’t even make sense. If it was engineered, and Trump still sat on his enormous ass and did nothing about it, then he’s even more incompetent than anyone on the right could possibly understand. In that scenario, China literally attacked the entire world, and nobody did a goddamn thing about it - including Trump. They are literally just in a mode where they are doing everything they can to make Democrats, and Democrat policies, out to be the baddies and Republicans the good guys.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:00:32am

re: #50 lawhawk

Want to see how ransomware attacks end?

Threaten Iran, Russia, and other rogue nations with crippling their oil producers with ransomware attacks that would make it impossible for them to produce, export, or manage their oil production - which is their largest export/product.

Shut down an oligarch or two and Putin will be begging for relief.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:01:21am

re: #53 No Malarkey!

It’s idiocy. The virus was not engineered, it evolved in the wild. Which means if the scientists discovered it in the wild, it was going to jump to humans and trigger a pandemic whether it leaked from the lab or not. This is just more bullshit to divert attention from Trump’s utter failure to address the pandemic.

Not one person can explain how it would have got out of the lab

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:01:38am

re: #56 darthstar

Shut down an oligarch or two and Putin will be begging for relief.

PUTIN: “They wouldn’t dare!”
BIDEN: “They’re from Florida, man. Do you have any idea just how crazy those Florida motherfuckers are? Have you read ANY American news in the last ten years?!”

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:02:19am

re: #49 darthstar

Note that the media didn’t shout at Putin as he left.

Understandable. I’m averse to accidentally falling out of fifth story windows too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:02:59am

re: #49 darthstar

Note that the media didn’t shout at Putin as he left.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:03:04am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:03:56am
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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:05:41am

Putin throwing shade at TFG.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:05:43am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

So, it leaked from a lab and Trump’s failure to protect the nation is mitigated how exactly? Baffling with bulkshit? Hand wave it all away?

Nope. 600,000+ Americans are dead because Trump failed. 500,000+ while he was in office, and his know nothing mindless followers politicized masking and social distancing so that it continues to spread in places where vaccinations aren’t reaching critical mass in the US. GOPers backed a know nothing extremist and protected Trump despite all the evidence he ignored the health experts who said masking would save lives.

Instead, Trump pushed woo and junk science and elevated Pence to head of covid19 task force - allowing Pence to again make a public health crisis worse on his watch. Jared also pushed his know nothing approach, thinking it would harm blue states more - knowingly trying to withhold aid and assistance against those who saw Trump as a legitimate threat to democracy and national security.

The lab leak bulkshit doesn’t change that the virus was in the wild. That’s where it was discovered if it was somehow in a lab in the first place. It isn’t a bioweapon; if you say that it is, then Trump’s failures look even worse since he purposefully did nothing in the hopes of reaching a herd immunity level that would not be clear (and which still isn’t entirely clear) - and vaccination resistance is highest among Trump’s brain dead followers. Nothing about the lab leak makes any sense, and it makes even less sense when you see Trump minimizing the dangerousness of the crisis even as all the evidence pointed to a huge public health crisis with massive loss of life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:07:33am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:08:14am

re: #57 Dangerman

Not one person can explain how it would have got out of the lab

On the Right they don’t have to. All they have to do is speculate, and it becomes fact in the wingularity.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:08:49am

re: #57 Dangerman

Not one person can explain how it would have got out of the lab

Not one person can explain how it got *into* the lab in the first place.

Unless you’re assuming it was a bioweapon…. which is verging on impossible based on all the evidence. So, it was identified in the wild, brought into the lab to study, and then escaped?

Because that’d be the series of events there. It was in the wild. It was isolated in a lab. It was only a matter of time before it hit human populations and spread, which is exactly what it did.

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:09:04am

re: #66 No Malarkey!

On the Right they don’t have to. All they have to do is speculate, and it becomes fact in the wingularity.

Decades of believing in White American Jesus have conditioned their brains to accept perfectly contradictory statements as absolute fact, as long as they are spoken by a person of the right persuasion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:12:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:15:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:17:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:19:26am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:21:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:23:37am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:28:04am
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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:31:39am

Just remember, those are real trousers the President has on.
Not dress sweatpants.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:33:23am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:34:19am
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nines09  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:40:10am

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Florida Panhandler  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:41:09am

Suprising no one, white Americans love bombing “non-white” countries:

yahoo.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:42:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:43:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:46:31am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:48:24am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:49:51am

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

If Manchin and Sinema don’t get rid of the filibuster, what’s the point?

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:50:39am

re: #67 lawhawk

Not one person can explain how it got *into* the lab in the first place.

Unless you’re assuming it was a bioweapon…. which is verging on impossible based on all the evidence. So, it was identified in the wild, brought into the lab to study, and then escaped?

Because that’d be the series of events there. It was in the wild. It was isolated in a lab. It was only a matter of time before it hit human populations and spread, which is exactly what it did.

like i said yesterday

- it didnt dig a hole in a wall and escape through a sewer tunnel
- and it didnt sneak out stuck to the sole of someone’s shoe

these people have no idea what a lab like this looks like or how it works

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:51:02am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

We have more than one media channel that does exactly that, Kaitlan, on purpose. But every question has a bias of some sort.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:52:06am

Leaked recordings reveal Joe Manchin’s real thoughts on filibuster and Jan 6 commission

In a private call this Monday that was obtained by The Intercept, Joe Manchin (D-WV) talked to major political donors during a meeting organized by the group No Labels, which The Intercept describes as a big money operation co-founded by former Sen. Joe Lieberman “that funnels high-net-worth donor money to conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans.”

Interestingly, Manchin seemed open to filibuster reform — a private stance that contradicts his public one.

theintercept.com

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:52:31am

re: #73 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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compare this detailed response to
“i think you’re a terrible reporter”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:52:56am

O_o

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:52:57am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:53:47am

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s how you question a dictator. Good on her!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:56:32am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:56:36am
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piratedan  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:56:53am

re: #85 Patricia Kayden

the point is, while most Democratic politicians understand the current political climate and the need for change, a select few are either corrupt, clueless or capricious.

Framing should still be, why aren’t there ANY GOP politicians willing to support inherent American Democratic principals like easier access to the ballot box and removal of dark money funding of political campaigns and ads.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:57:57am

re: #85 Patricia Kayden

If Manchin and Sinema don’t get rid of the filibuster, what’s the point?

Unless Manchin can round up ten GOP Senators who support his proposal (he can’t), there is no point. Unless he springboards from that to supporting filibuster reform, and he has said that he won’t.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:58:16am

re: #95 piratedan

the point is, while most Democratic politicians understand the current political climate and the need for change, a select few are either corrupt, clueless or capricious.

Framing should still be, why aren’t there ANY GOP politicians willing to support inherent American Democratic principals like easier access to the ballot box and removal of dark money funding of political campaigns and ads.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:58:58am
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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:59:12am

re: #86 Dangerman

like i said yesterday

- it didnt dig a hole in a wall and escape through a sewer tunnel
- and it didnt sneak out stuck to the sole of someone’s shoe

these people have no idea what a lab like this looks like or how it works

Randall Flagg released it./

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:00:24pm

re: #98 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

On to SCOTUS. Count on it

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:01:30pm

re: #96 No Malarkey!

Unless Manchin can round up ten GOP Senators who support his proposal (he can’t), there is no point. Unless he springboards from that to supporting filibuster reform, and he has said that he won’t.

i read somewhere last week:

biden should put manchin and capito in a room and say write a bill that 10 senate r’s will go on record as supporting before the vote and that wont violate D principles

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:02:15pm

Shontel’s opponent is Nina Turner

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:03:53pm

re: #88 JOE 🥓

Leaked recordings reveal Joe Manchin’s real thoughts on filibuster and Jan 6 commission

In a private call this Monday that was obtained by The Intercept, Joe Manchin (D-WV) talked to major political donors during a meeting organized by the group No Labels, which The Intercept describes as a big money operation co-founded by former Sen. Joe Lieberman “that funnels high-net-worth donor money to conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans.”

Interestingly, Manchin seemed open to filibuster reform — a private stance that contradicts his public one.

theintercept.com

I’m not holding my breath.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:04:10pm

re: #99 No Malarkey!

Randall Flagg released it./

well if it took ‘an accomplished sorcerer’ you can hardly blame the lab itself or China

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Citizen K  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:05:21pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

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This is one of those things of…you know, why Dems play things as tight as they do. Once again, if a journo does things critical of and adversarial toward a Dem, it’s celebrated as a bastion of true journalism and any criticism of it is treated as an attempt to silence the press wholesale.

When a Republican outright threatens and tries to silence a journo? That journo somehow deserved it, and paeans and supplications need to be made to make up for that transgression.

It’s still amazingly hard to succeed in an environment where the press clearly has taken sides and still manages to convince itself it hasn’t.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:06:35pm
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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:06:42pm

re: #98 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Until SCOTUS affirms it, which seems likely to happen next year.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:07:43pm
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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:09:15pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If you get someone coming by, make sure they can hear you call the police to tell them someone impersonating a government official is at your house.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:09:33pm

Corporate America is supporting fascism.

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nines09  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:09:49pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

If you are in a foul mood and get a dick at the door I have fun with:
“Have you heard the good news?
Jesus loves you.
I don’t.
Get the fuck off my property.”

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:11:13pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

Considering it’s impossible for him to do so under our laws, I doubt it. Now, let’s talk about TFG who didn’t think the rules applied to him.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:12:20pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

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boebert, greene and a bunch of others dont see their role as ‘government service’

they see it as a stepping stone boosting their social media career arc

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:14:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:15:48pm
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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:16:13pm
“So, the critical race theory — and I can’t think of the author right off the top of my head who wrote about this — really had a theory that, at the high level, is one that really starts creating those divisions between us about defining who we are based on race and that sort of thing and really not about how to bring us together as Americans rather than — and dividing us and also having a lot of very socialist-type ideas about how that would be implemented in our state.”

— Nebraska Gov. Pete Ricketts (R), when asked to define “critical race theory” on his monthly call-in radio show.

another clueless one trying to sound ‘smart’

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:18:34pm

re: #116 Dangerman

another clueless one trying to sound ‘smart’

I like that people are asking them to define CRT.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:19:48pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

Spin off the early voting standards and gerrymandering.

And then offer a national voter ID.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:21:14pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

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he’s clever

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:22:17pm

I think this one’s for Peter Doocy:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:22:59pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:27:39pm

re: #116 Dangerman

another clueless one trying to sound ‘smart’

He really made no effort even to read the Wikipedia entry, did he?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:27:39pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:27:45pm

re: #6 JOE 🥓

Oh and Vlad doesn’t just have Kompromat on Ex Prez Golden Rain. He’s got lots of Kompromat on plenty of Republicans.

I’m still in awe of how Putin has taken total control over the Republican Party!

Not entirely. The Cheneys and a few other outliers aren’t going along. I think they have inside information on the avalanche of reckoning that will fall on the GQP. If anyone has deep dirt on sleazy Repugs and their foreign allies, it is Darth Dick. It could be something as as simple as foreknowledge of a major anti-Repug shift by corporate interests. There are also big time grubbers who fear the chaos and even violence that would result from a GQP power grab. I know one fatcat who was scared shitless by the 1-06 coup attempt. He doesn’t give a damn about democracy, but he is terrified of things like massive international sanctions if a similar attempt were to succeed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:28:56pm
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ericblair  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:29:52pm

re: #105 Citizen K

This is one of those things of…you know, why Dems play things as tight as they do. Once again, if a journo does things critical of and adversarial toward a Dem, it’s celebrated as a bastion of true journalism and any criticism of it is treated as an attempt to silence the press wholesale.

When a Republican outright threatens and tries to silence a journo? That journo somehow deserved it, and paeans and supplications need to be made to make up for that transgression.

It’s still amazingly hard to succeed in an environment where the press clearly has taken sides and still manages to convince itself it hasn’t.

Now, instead of the substance of Biden’s speech, we’re going to hear about a butthurt reporter all day, because that’s what’s important.

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JC1  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:35:05pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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True except that the invasion of the Ukraine started under Obama.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:37:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:39:38pm

re: #127 JC1

True except that the invasion of the Ukraine started under Obama.

that has nothing to do with TFG’s actions (or non-actions).

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:40:42pm

Police lives don’t matter to the GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:40:44pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

that has nothing to do with TFG’s actions (or non-actions).

or maybe it does…anything to make it Obama’s fault.

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William Lewis  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:41:01pm

Jennifer Rocha wanted to hear the rustle of her black graduation gown against the bell pepper bushes in the California farm fields. She wanted to see the hem float above the dirt paths that she and her parents have spent years walking as a family while plucking heavy gallons of perfectly ripe fruits and vegetables that end up in America’s grocery stores.

That’s why she decided to take her college graduation photos in the same hot vegetable fields in Coachella, Calif., where she has worked with her parents since she was in high school.

“I’m proud that that’s where I come from,” says Rocha, who graduated from the University of California, San Diego on Saturday. “It’s a huge part of who I am.”

“The whole reason I wanted to go back to the fields with my parents is because I wouldn’t have the degree and the diploma if it wasn’t for them. They sacrificed their backs, their sweat, their early mornings, late afternoons, working cold winters, hot summers just to give me and my sisters an education.”

A College Grad Honored Her Parents With A Photo Shoot In The Fields Where They Worked

Just wow.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:43:07pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

or maybe it does…anything to make it Obama’s fault.

trump had 4 years to fix obama’s ‘mistakes’, whatever they were…

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:47:15pm

And another Putinista gets expelled from a State House.

This time it’s former Ohio Speaker Larry Householder.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:52:10pm

re: #130 DodgerFan1988

Police are only there to keep those uppity minorities in their place. They are interchangeable and aren’t really humans, they’re tools to fuck with other people’s well being. The people they hate.

IMO the worst part of this is that these assholes are pissed off at a made up stereotype of liberals in general and minorities in particular. None of the shit they claim to be mad about is real, or if it is, it’s not a fucking actual rampant problem. Be it distorting Critical Race Theory, those welfare young bucks and their steak and lobster dinners and fancy cars, the hippiedippieflowerchild world they think the majority of liberals live in, all of it is based on really stupid and badly informed bullshit made up by Republican/Conservative operatives that are still influencing what’s happening in the media. They are always hammering on nails that aren’t there, or if they are, they are push pins, not freaking nails. I don’t know how to fix that. Not when a fair number of them want to murder us.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:52:40pm

oh

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:53:44pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:56:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:57:58pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 12:58:40pm
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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:00:28pm
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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:02:53pm
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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:03:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:03:31pm
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JC1  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:09:23pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

or maybe it does…anything to make it Obama’s fault.

If you can point me to Obama actions in response to Russia’s Ukraine aggression that Trump somehow limited or removed, I’ll take back my comment. The fact is that Obama was POTUS for over 2 years after Crimea, and didn’t exactly do much either. Trump was a disaster, but let’s dish out policy specific criticism fairly.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:11:19pm

re: #134 JOE 🥓

And another Putinista gets expelled from a State House.

This time it’s former Ohio Speaker Larry Householder.

I want to see this for Jordan, Boebert, Greene, Gaetz, etc…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:11:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:12:46pm

re: #145 JC1

If you can point me to Obama actions in response to Russia’s Ukraine aggression that Trump somehow limited or removed, I’ll take back my comment. The fact is that Obama was POTUS for over 2 years after Crimea, and didn’t exactly do much either. Trump was a disaster, but let’s dish out policy specific criticism fairly.

You win…it was Obama’s fault.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:19:37pm

So, one fully loaded Lengua burrito. From my favorite restaurant. Yum, Yum.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:20:28pm

re: #133 Dangerman

trump had 4 years to fix obama’s ‘mistakes’, whatever they were…

He couldn’t fix President Obama’s biggest mistake — being born Black (or half Black).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:21:00pm
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sagehen  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:21:09pm

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I know one fatcat who was scared shitless by the 1-06 coup attempt. He doesn’t give a damn about democracy, but he is terrified of things like massive international sanctions if a similar attempt were to succeed.

It wouldn’t even take official sanctions. Just… stop buying T-Bills. Do business in euros instead of dollars. There goes the status that marks us “leaders of the free world”.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:22:07pm
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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:23:26pm

I finally got to Langer’s Deli today and had my beloved #19 on an onion roll.

It didn’t last long enough to have a picture taken…

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:25:58pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

I guess we need extra personnel to keep Ted Cruz from doing his ridiculous boat thing.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:28:28pm

re: #154 JOE 🥓

I finally got to Langer’s Deli today and had my beloved #19 on an onion roll.

It didn’t last long enough to have a picture taken…

Pastrami, Swiss Cheese and Cole Slaw Russian Style Dressing??

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DesertDenizen  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:29:39pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

I live in a right wing Arizona Border county. The citizens freaked out when the Sheriff wanted to deputize six CBP agents who were part of his “Border Task Force”. I’m sure we’d love to have a bunch of out of state Deputies running around. We barely tolerate Howard Buffet and his bufoonary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:32:12pm
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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:32:54pm

re: #156 Dangerman

Pastrami, Swiss Cheese and Cole Slaw Russian Style Dressing??

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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JC1  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:32:56pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

You win…it was Obama’s fault.

Yeah, that’s totally what I meant.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:36:32pm

re: #159 JOE 🥓

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the internets can be amazing

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:36:34pm

re: #160 JC1

Yeah, that’s totally what I meant.

pretty much figured that was what you meant

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:36:52pm

re: #159 JOE 🥓

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ps sounds great!

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William Lewis  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:37:35pm

re: #159 JOE 🥓

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That actually sounds quite good. Glad you were able to enjoy it.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:38:16pm

TIL Ray Anthony is still alive at 99.

Thunderbird

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:39:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:43:57pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:44:07pm

re: #116 Dangerman

another clueless one trying to sound ‘smart’

Do not give them an inch on being clueless.

All conservatives lie. Pete Ricketts lies. He knows what Critical Race Theory is, and it sure as hell isn’t socialism.

My lying governor lied again. This is a guy who illegally purchased death penalty drugs from a foreign country with tax money set aside for something else, then when caught (by the shipper in India) lied about it.

He’s lying, because he’s a liar.

Use the correct word. None of them are “clueless.” They are all liars.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:47:04pm

I think I need a nap after that. This girls tummy is stuffed.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:50:28pm

re: #134 JOE 🥓

And another Putinista gets expelled from a State House.

This time it’s former Ohio Speaker Larry Householder.

Wikipedia didn’t waste any time updating him as being expelled.

Nice guy:

In May 2019, Householder criticized the Ohio Library Council and the Newark Library in Licking County for providing an event for teens in the LGBTQ community at the taxpayers’ expense. In response, the Newark Ohio Pride Coalition issued a formal statement noting that their organization paid for the event with a non-governmental grant. Later that evening, the Newark Library canceled the event. The Newark Ohio Pride Coalition found a new location for it.

After his arrest for racketeering in 2020, the event organizers publicly asked Householder to reflect upon his own advice about being a good steward of public money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:50:43pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:51:57pm

Wagons circled.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:53:07pm

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:56:00pm

Inside Tom Cotton’s Insane World Of DNA Theft, Olympic Athletes, And Anti-China Conspiracies

In the letter, Cotton warns Biden that Beijing plans on using the 2022 Winter Olympics as a giant funnel for precious American DNA, harvesting the nation’s fittest and finest for their genomic information as part of a plan to achieve military dominance.

“In 2022, thousands of world-class athletes will gather to compete in China,” the letter reads. “Their DNA will present an irresistible target for the CCP.”

He added that, “thus, we should expect that the Chinese government will attempt to collect genetic samples of Olympians at the Games, perhaps disguised as testing for illegal drugs or COVID-19.”

“The CCP has reportedly conducted tests to develop biologically-enhanced soldiers and intends to use DNA data to catapult Chinese biotechnology companies to global market dominance,” Cotton wrote, citing a column written by Trump-era Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Citizen K  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:56:26pm

re: #172 Dread Pirate Ron

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Wagons circled.

Thinnest skin and least self awareness ever. And it’s only getting worse it seems like.

The whole thing feels impossibly impenetrable, and trying to convince them of the mistakes their making just convinces them they’re doing everything right and spurs them to go hippie punching that much more.

There doesn’t seem to be any hope of rehabilitating the profession as a whole at this point.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2021 • 1:57:39pm
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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:01:05pm

re: #149 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

So, one fully loaded Lengua burrito. From my favorite restaurant. Yum, Yum.

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Lengua - one of my favorites. Not a lot of people like cow tongue but I love it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:02:14pm
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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:02:14pm

re: #172 Dread Pirate Ron

Wagons circled.

Gripes?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:03:49pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:05:12pm
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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:07:39pm

Luckovich for the win.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:08:32pm

Continuing fall-out from the latest SBC circus:

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A Three Hour Tour  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:11:18pm

re: #181 Dave In Austin

Rudy Giuliani reveals his own cognitive impairment every day.

Borat’s “daughter”?
Four Seasons Total Landscaping?
His various torturous “legal defenses” of Donald Trump?

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:14:47pm

Suddenly craving pastrami with swiss, slaw, and Russian dressing…fuckers.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:15:14pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:16:39pm

re: #186 The Pie Overlord!

Man, those are some creepy fucking eyes.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:17:48pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:22:28pm
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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:22:30pm

re: #168 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Do not give them an inch on being clueless.

All conservatives lie. Pete Ricketts lies. He knows what Critical Race Theory is, and it sure as hell isn’t socialism.

My lying governor lied again. This is a guy who illegally purchased death penalty drugs from a foreign country with tax money set aside for something else, then when caught (by the shipper in India) lied about it.

He’s lying, because he’s a liar.

Use the correct word. None of them are “clueless.” They are all liars.

deal

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:24:06pm

re: #149 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

So, one fully loaded Lengua burrito. From my favorite restaurant. Yum, Yum.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:25:06pm

re: #177 darthstar

Lengua - one of my favorites. Not a lot of people like cow tongue but I love it.

it’s great on rye with mustard
half sour pickle and cole slaw on the side

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:26:46pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ted, you’re gonna have to name them all and explain exactly and specifically how and why each is a ‘crisis’

“On Sunday, June 20th, Joe Biden will have been president for exactly five months. And in these five months, we’ve seen crisis after crisis after crisis.”

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:28:01pm

re: #191 The Pie Overlord!

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Enough calories to jump-start a nuclear submarine..

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:31:00pm

“Attorney General Merrick Garland on Wednesday reversed a Trump-era immigration ruling that made it all but impossible for people to seek asylum in the United States over credible fears of domestic abuse or gang violence, marking one of the Justice Department’s most significant breaks with the previous administration, ” the New York Times reports.

Attorneys general can overturn decisions made by immigration judges because immigration courts are housed under the Justice Department, not the judicial branch.”

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:31:55pm

re: #195 Dangerman

and another

Associated Press: “The U.S. Education Department on Wednesday expanded its interpretation of federal sex protections to include transgender and gay students, a move that reverses Trump-era policy and stands against proposals in many states to bar transgender girls from school sports.”

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A Cranky One  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:31:59pm

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:35:42pm

Okay, so Republicans are full of shit on this.

But…that’s always the case and we need to talk about this in three other frames:

Frame One: Republican operate continuously in bad faith, so this is more of the same.

What it says on the label. They will never make a judgement without applying, last and most importantly, the distinction of us versus them.

They’re not saying this stuff because they’re dumb, they’re saying it because the truth doesn’t matter. What matters is that they get what they want, and what they want is power over others and license to do as they want.

Frame Two: In spite of the bad faith, these Republicans are telling us how they think.

Two things here:

A. They reduce everything down to a superficial power struggle in which optics—seeming weak/strong.

B. They’re doing this publicly because the point isn’t to say anything important, it’s to entertain their base.
It’s all theater…but it’s cruel theater where the only kind of story told is: that person is weak and deserves contempt and suffering, you (the person I’m pandering too) are both strong and deserve coddling. There’s really no deeper level…on most subjects the rhetoric can be stripped down to “it is good to mock and punish the outsider.”

Frame Three: the premise of the analysis by the Republicans is accepted by uncritical media producers (and, likely, viewers) not because of a shared ideology, but a shared view of what the function of information is.

News is now infotainment constantly chasing novelty and a larger audience share, and that syncs well with series of bad faith institutions that need to constantly keep their audience in a state of heightened emotion. The way you succeed is keep everyone thinking fast—heuristically, emotionally, with an eye towards the short-term.

What happens in the world matters because it evokes feelings in a passive audience. The reactionaries want to steer those emotions towards the loop of fear, anger, and pleasurable discharge of those emotions. The news wants to provide whatever will provoke a reaction that increases engagement…which is usually the statement with the strongest emotions attached… and are therefore incentivized to provide more of that stimulus. Social media transforms this existing problem into a Skinnerian nightmare, because it adds in this meta-element where everyone is participating in the reaction to the reaction of an event that often…all the people reacting don’t know fucking shit about and kind of don’t care to know, because their investment is in their feelings.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:36:31pm
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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:37:50pm

re: #199 The Pie Overlord!

“We need Israel to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem so that Trump will once again become president.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:39:19pm

The SBC21 tweets never stop giving us plenty of examples why the religious right are dangerous.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:41:43pm

I went to the sandwich shop near the airport for lunch. I stepped into the place and it looked and felt like it did in the before times, first time I’ve seen that in about 16 months. Tables were set up again and they took down the plexiglass at the register. A few people came in wearing masks, most people including all employees and myself, went without. The county is at 46.6% with at least one dose of vaccine.

Chicken salad on ciabatta, LTO, little bit of yellow mustard. I also got a big smoothie, bananas, berries, mangoes, peaches, apple juice.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:45:04pm

Here’s what happened today at the SBC convention, a group representing the largest Protestant denomination in the US:

They passed a resolution that is amongst the most extreme anti-abortion stance yet. It goes so far that any pastor who supports language in laws that can allow for abortion in particular cases should be censured. Now the SBC is not the Catholic church and pastors are locally hired by their congregation, so there is no central authority to fire any pastor.

But the language of the resolution is clear. The SBC wants women who have abortions to be prosecuted for murder (though I think there were amendments to the resolution that softened some of the stances.)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:46:09pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:53:54pm


And a previous thread on this fine citizen, from a month ago

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:54:45pm

Just to show how far right into christo-fascism the pew sitters in the SBC have become, consider this:

That was posted because, get this, the convention voted to hold accounted the executives who tried to cover up sexual abuse.

Also consider this: the convention just voted for a most extreme anti-abortion stance.

Yet to the hard core American-christo-fascists (I have to come up with a better term) the SBC has surrendered to the “liberals”.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:56:03pm
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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 2:58:56pm

re: #198 The Ghost of a Flea

sometimes i start reading a post of yours and upvote it
then i continue reading
when i get to the end of the long ones (more than one screen) i go back to upvote and find i already did

says a lot about your writing
probably says something about my short term memory

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Florida Panhandler  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:02:26pm

re: #143 No Malarkey!

I want to learn to Deepfake just so I can put Trump’s head on Weinstein’s shoulders in that video.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:02:58pm

re: #205 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

who gets that kind of deference?
white men

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:05:51pm

re: #203 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Here’s what happened today at the SBC convention, a group representing the largest Protestant denomination in the US:

They passed a resolution that is amongst the most extreme anti-abortion stance yet. It goes so far that any pastor who supports language in laws that can allow for abortion in particular cases should be censured. Now the SBC is not the Catholic church and pastors are locally hired by their congregation, so there is no central authority to fire any pastor.

But the language of the resolution is clear. The SBC wants women who have abortions to be prosecuted for murder (though I think there were amendments to the resolution that softened some of the stances.)

My SBC University cut ties with the SBC in 2005, over allowing Gay Rights activity on campus.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:06:32pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

Massie is a T.J. Rogers wannbee (and never will be).

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:09:54pm

re: #211 BeenHereAwhile

Yes, the SBC is in a brewing civil war. Many of, let’s say, the more accepting of modernism in the Southern Baptists have found that they are leaving or just not caring about whatever happens in the big picture.

That appears to be leaving ground in the shrinking SBC for the hard-right types, who are becoming more aligned with the crypto-fascist elements of Christianity.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:11:22pm

There sure are a lot of white folk afraid of CRT these days.

The religious right for sure. But plenty of atheists too.

It’s the new boogeyman.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:13:15pm

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John Hughes  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:14:55pm

re: #50 lawhawk

You do know that it was the US that started state sponsored cyber attacks?

Don’t claim the moral high ground when it was you that let the genie out of the bottle.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:17:43pm

re: #216 John Hughes

You do know that it was the US that started state sponsored cyber attacks?

Don’t claim the moral high ground when it was you that let the genie out of the bottle.

I don’t see any moral high ground taken there. What Biden is saying is just because it’s a company or a group of individuals and not a state actor doesn’t let the country they’re operating in off the hook.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:18:59pm

re: #216 John Hughes

You do know that it was the US that started state sponsored cyber attacks?

Don’t claim the moral high ground when it was you that let the genie out of the bottle.

I would also love to see the history on first attempts at cyber attacks.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:22:18pm

re: #213 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Yes, the SBC is in a brewing civil war. Many of, let’s say, the more accepting of modernism in the Southern Baptists have found that they are leaving or just not caring about whatever happens in the big picture.

That appears to be leaving ground in the shrinking SBC for the hard-right types, who are becoming more aligned with the crypto-fascist elements of Christianity.

This started the tension between the university and the SBC back in 1963.

faculty.mercer.edu

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mmmirele  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:24:04pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

I gave this guy an earful.

Sorry, not sorry to rant.

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nines09  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:25:28pm

Sometimes a band has one thing/song they do very, very well.
IMHO…slamming.
This still holds up.
Scream and shout and let it out.
Learn to scream in tune. Have fun

Drowning Pool - Bodies

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:31:02pm

re: #145 JC1

If you can point me to Obama actions in response to Russia’s Ukraine aggression that Trump somehow limited or removed, I’ll take back my comment. The fact is that Obama was POTUS for over 2 years after Crimea, and didn’t exactly do much either. Trump was a disaster, but let’s dish out policy specific criticism fairly.

All the “Obama was weak in response to Crimea” takes were pushed by right-wingers such as Charles Krauthammer and the Brookings Institute.

Unless we were going to go to war with Russia, there wasn’t much Obama could do beyond what he did.

That action saw a number of Russians sanctioned by the USA seizing their property here, Russia ejected from the G-8, loan guarantees to Ukraine, suspension of cooperation agreements with Russia’s nuclear energy firm Rosatom, and a boycott by the American delegation to the 2014 Sochi Winter Paralympics, which was to be led by Tammy Duckworth.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:31:10pm

re: #177 darthstar

Lengua - one of my favorites. Not a lot of people like cow tongue but I love it.

Beckie thought I was nuts for eating it. It was one of those things that will never enter my mouth in her opinion. :-)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:35:50pm

re: #145 JC1

If you can point me to Obama actions in response to Russia’s Ukraine aggression that Trump somehow limited or removed, I’ll take back my comment. The fact is that Obama was POTUS for over 2 years after Crimea, and didn’t exactly do much either. Trump was a disaster, but let’s dish out policy specific criticism fairly.

Over election meddling in 2016:

Trump administration moves to return Russian compounds in Maryland and New York (Washington Post, May 31, 2017)

***

We just broke the all-time high temperature for this day (99°F, previous record 97°F set in 2020).

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William Lewis  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:36:33pm

re: #218 Belafon

I would also love to see the history on first attempts at cyber attacks.

The earliest success that is known is the Iranian Centrifuge sabotage.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:37:45pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

All the “Obama was weak in response to Crimea” takes were pushed by right-wingers such as Charles Krauthammer and the Brookings Institute.

Unless we were going to go to war with Russia, there wasn’t much Obama could do beyond what he did.

That action saw a number of Russians sanctioned by the USA seizing their property here, Russia ejected from the G-8, loan guarantees, suspension of cooperation agreements with Russia’s nuclear energy firm Rosatom, and a boycott by the American delegation to the 2014 Sochi Winter Paralympics, which was to be led by Tammy Duckworth.

On the other hand…

Can we be just slightly pissed at NATO for keeping Ukraine and Georgia in the waiting room indefinitely while parts of them got chipped off?

Like, Obama was just part of a trend where all that anti-communist stuff never resolved into any constructive aid for ex-Communist states. Western Europe uses Eastern Europeans like America uses Mexico—constantly wanting that cheap labor and trafficked women, constantly angry about all these foreigners making it hard to have a real job.

Sorry…not even a response to what you put up, but it’s been on my mind the last two days because the whole thing got punted…again.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:39:49pm

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, those are some creepy fucking eyes.

Her whole persona is creepy as fuck. Then again, I suspect it’s supposed to.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:44:50pm

re: #220 mmmirele

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John Hughes  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:50:05pm

re: #218 Belafon

The first clearly state sponsored attacks were stuxnet.

I am open to evidence of others, but as far as I know there are none.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:12:21pm

re: #212 Eric The Fruit Bat

Massie is a T.J. Rogers wannbee (and never will be).

he’s a Libertarian pretending to be a Republican, just like his mentor and personal hero, Rand Paul.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:16:14pm

re: #218 Belafon

I would also love to see the history on first attempts at cyber attacks.

Doesn’t matter, the USA is always the bad guy and always will be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:17:48pm

re: #227 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Her whole persona is creepy as fuck. Then again, I suspect it’s supposed to.

It absolutely is.

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JC1  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:41:31pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

All the “Obama was weak in response to Crimea” takes were pushed by right-wingers such as Charles Krauthammer and the Brookings Institute.

Unless we were going to go to war with Russia, there wasn’t much Obama could do beyond what he did.

That action saw a number of Russians sanctioned by the USA seizing their property here, Russia ejected from the G-8, loan guarantees to Ukraine, suspension of cooperation agreements with Russia’s nuclear energy firm Rosatom, and a boycott by the American delegation to the 2014 Sochi Winter Paralympics, which was to be led by Tammy Duckworth.

I’m not saying that I disagree. I’m saying that there are a lot of legit stuff to bash Trump over, but him not doing more vs Russia regarding the Ukraine isn’t one of those things unless we’re also willing to say that Obama didn’t do enough. We can’t have it both ways.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:51:05pm

re: #233 JC1

I’m not saying that I disagree. I’m saying that there are a lot of legit stuff to bash Trump over, but him not doing more vs Russia regarding the Ukraine isn’t one of those things unless we’re also willing to say that Obama didn’t do enough. We can’t have it both ways.

Why on earth are you insisting to both sides this nonsense?
Obama didn’t do enough in your opinion (I wasn’t part of his administration so, I for one, have no idea what they did or didn’t do, but you apparently do, so I’ll give you that point). As a result, TFG is totes off the hook for doing NOTHING other than trying to blame Hunter Biden and Zelensky, because Obama was at fault.

You may believe “that there are a lot of legit stuff to bash Trump over, but him not doing more vs Russia regarding the Ukraine isn’t one of those things”, but I can multitask. There is NO LIMIT to the number of things over which I can bash TFG.

good grief

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:52:01pm

re: #186 The Pie Overlord!

All you have to be is “not Christian” (or not the right Christian) to know this is true.


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