The Longest-Running Evolution Experiment: How Repeatable Is Natural Selection?

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I’ve read a lot about Prof. Richard Lenski’s fascinating long-running evolution experiment, and this excellent video is the first look I’ve gotten at the actual processes involved.

If you ran evolution all over again, would you get humans? How repeatable is #evolution? This video is sponsored by @BountyBrand. #biology #science #QPU #HygieneBeginswithBounty #BountyPartner

Special thanks to Prof. Richard Lenski and team for showing me around the lab — it is an honor to be able to witness and document such a historic science experiment.
Thanks to Dr Zachary Blount for the help with research and setting up the competition time-lapse, Dr Nkrumah Grant for microscope images of the long-term line cells @NkrumahGrant
Devin Lake, Kate Bellgowan, and Dr. Minako Izutsu for being part of this video. Long Live the LTEE!

LTEE website — http://myxo.css.msu.edu/ecoli/index.html
Intro footage courtesy of the Kishony Lab — https://kishony.technion.ac.il
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Lenski, R. E., & Travisano, M. (1994). Dynamics of adaptation and diversification: a 10,000-generation experiment with bacterial populations. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 91(15), 6808-6814. — https://ve42.co/Lenski1994

Lenski, R. E., Rose, M. R., Simpson, S. C., & Tadler, S. C. (1991). Long-term experimental evolution in Escherichia coli. I. Adaptation and divergence during 2,000 generations. The American Naturalist, 138(6), 1315-1341. — https://ve42.co/Lenski1991

Good, B. H., McDonald, M. J., Barrick, J. E., Lenski, R. E., & Desai, M. M. (2017). The dynamics of molecular evolution over 60,000 generations. Nature, 551(7678), 45-50. — https://ve42.co/Good2017

Blount, Z. D., Borland, C. Z., & Lenski, R. E. (2008). Historical contingency and the evolution of a key innovation in an experimental population of Escherichia coli. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 105(23), 7899-7906. — https://ve42.co/Blount2008

Blount, Z. D., Lenski, R. E., & Losos, J. B. (2018). Contingency and determinism in evolution: Replaying life’s tape. Science, 362(6415). — https://ve42.co/Blount2018

Wiser, M. J., Ribeck, N., & Lenski, R. E. (2013). Long-term dynamics of adaptation in asexual populations. Science, 342(6164), 1364-1367. — https://ve42.co/Wiser2013

N, Scharping. (2019). How a 30-Year Experiment Has Fundamentally Changed Our View of How Evolution Works. Discover — https://ve42.co/Scharping

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:35:41pm
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Florida Panhandler  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:42:10pm

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

Putin traffics in an ocean of false equivalencies, logical fallacies and outright silencing of his critics so it’s no wonder our goofballs on the far right love the guy.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:42:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:44:08pm

re: #225 William Lewis

The earliest success that is known is the Iranian Centrifuge sabotage.

The first known cyber attack (though it was accidental) was the Morris Worm in 1988.

History of Cyber Attacks From The Morris Worm To Exactis (Mindsight)

The History of Cyber Attacks (NATO)

They also have the Morris Worm as the first attack (though accidental).

The first intentional attack they have is the Estonian denial of service attack against government services in 2007.

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mmmirele  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:46:41pm

Blergh.

The Southern Baptist Convention decided women were second class and encoded that in the Baptist Faith & Message 2000. If you think women are property, this is exactly whst happens.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:49:22pm

re: #5 mmmirele

Blergh.

The Southern Baptist Convention decided women were second class and encoded that in the Baptist Faith & Message 2000. If you think women are property, this is exactly whst happens.

They have now codified their complete reversal of their position on Roe from 1974.

You know, it’s almost as if Christians just make up their morals as they go along.

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mmmirele  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:53:55pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

They have now codified their complete reversal of their position on Roe from 1974.

You know, it’s almost as if Christians just make up their morals as they go along.

They’ll tell you that abortion was outlawed in the Didache (teachings of the 12 apostles) dating from circa 100 CE. They don’t like it when people like me point out that the Didache was written by a literate male who lived in a society where women being male property was baked into society.

Women continue to obtain abortions, even though these asshats think they own us.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 16, 2021 • 3:57:49pm

Chapter 2 is now up.

Michele’s Boring RV Renovation Ch. 2 ——————————>

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William Lewis  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:00:54pm

re: #7 mmmirele

They’ll tell you that abortion was outlawed in the Didache (teachings of the 12 apostles) dating from circa 100 CE. They don’t like it when people like me point out that the Didache was written by a literate male who lived in a society where women being male property was baked into society.

Women continue to obtain abortions, even though these asshats think they own us.

As I have noted it was an easy way to pretend they weren’t cozying up to the Romans when the post-pauline texts Titus & Timothy were all about that. The Romans did some abortion but mostly they were into post partum exposure, especially of female babies. Women’s needs were rarely, if ever, important in those cases. Combine that with the lingering distaste in Jewish culture for Canaanite sacrifice of first born babies in fire (the origin of Gehenna) and it’s not too surprising that the early Christians picked it up even though no one else believed in it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:06:35pm

re: #7 mmmirele

The Didache roots probably include some of the teachings from a Qumran community that left some of the scrolls.

Yes, it declares that one shall not have an abortion.

But it also declares one should not use love-potions, which seems to me would outlaw Viagra, but I don’t see the SBC passing resolutions on that one.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:09:36pm

We don’t dry hump flags.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:12:17pm

re: #5 mmmirele

Blergh.

The Southern Baptist Convention decided women were second class and encoded that in the Baptist Faith & Message 2000. If you think women are property, this is exactly whst happens.

But don’t worry folks!

When a SBC Pulpit Pimp’s mistress gets pregnant the Pulpit Pimp will make sure she has access to abortion…and Jay-Zuss will forgive him for losing control of Mister Ding Dong!

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John Hughes  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:12:47pm

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The first known cyber attack (though it was accidental) was the Morris Worm in 1988.

There was nothing accidental about Morris worm, other than it’s effects. Morris deliberately released it

But it wasn’t a state sponsored attack. (Unless you want to get into crazy conspiracy theories about Morris’s dad working for the NSA).

(Fucked my email up for a day).

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DesertDenizen  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:13:31pm

re: #11 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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We don’t dry hump flags.

No, the right projected their tendency to idolize politicians such as TFG and Reagan onto the left. They assumed the left wanted a messiah in Obama because they themselves want a messiah.

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retired cynic  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:14:30pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:15:05pm

The Didache, chapter IIv2:

2. οὐ φονεύσεις, οὐ μοιχεύσεις, οὐ παιδοφθορήσεις, οὐ πορνεύσεις, οὐ κλέψεις, οὐ μαγεύσεις, οὐ φαρμακεύσεις, οὐ φονεύσεις τ´κνον ἐν φθορᾷ, οὐδὲ γεννηθὲν ἀποκτενεῖς, οὐκ ἐπιθυμήσεις τὰ τοῦ πλησίον.

φαρμακεύσεις = literal translation is medicine.

Usually interpreted (by old white guys) to mean drugs or magical potions.

But the reality of the Qumran community spin-offs, who added themselves to the nascent Christian (read “apocalyptic Jews”) communities, were ascetics who did not allow themselves earthly pleasures.

φθορᾷ = literally destruction, but is usually interpreted (again, by old white guys) to mean abortion.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:15:06pm

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

Milo wouldn’t last 60 seconds in Russia.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:21:03pm

The Didache, like the NT and OT, is cherry picked by the religious, especially the religious right.

I like this English translation, of chapter 5:

The Way of Death

1 But the Way of Death is this: First of all, it is wicked and full of cursing, murders, adulteries, lusts, fornications, thefts, idolatries, witchcrafts, charms, robberies, false witness, hypocrisies, a double heart, fraud, pride, malice, stubbornness, covetousness, foul speech, jealousy, impudence, haughtiness, boastfulness.

2 Persecutors of the good, haters of truth, lovers of lies, knowing not the reward of righteousness, not cleaving to the good nor to righteous judgment, spending wakeful nights not for good but for wickedness, from whom meekness and patience is far, lovers of vanity, following after reward, unmerciful to the poor, not working for him who is oppressed with toil, without knowledge of him who made them, murderers of children, corrupters of God’s creatures, turning away the needy, oppressing the distressed, advocates of the rich, unjust judges of the poor, altogether sinful; may ye be delivered, my children, from all these.

For all those who love to quote the didache as banning abortion, where are the resolutions by denominations like the SBC, to condemn those who are “advocates for the rich”?

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:26:12pm

re: #12 JOE 🥓

But don’t worry folks!

When a SBC Pulpit Pimp’s mistress gets pregnant the Pulpit Pimp will make sure she has access to abortion…and Jay-Zuss will forgive him for losing control of Mister Ding Dong!

“I have sinned…but God forgave me, so ya’ll should too!”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:27:11pm
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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:27:25pm

re: #18 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Didache, like the NT and OT, is cherry picked by the religious, especially the religious right.

I like this English translation, of chapter 5:

For all those who love to quote the didache as banning abortion, where are the resolutions by denominations like the SBC, to condemn those who are “advocates for the rich”?

Memories of Grandma asking a Bircher Preacher about a rich man’s chances of going to Heaven is more difficult than a camel going thru the eye of a needle.

Grandma asked the Pulpit Pimp how John D Rockefeller could get to heaven.

Pimp’s answer—God gave Rockefeller enough wealth to make a Very Big Needle With A Very Big Eye That Even A Whale Could Swim Thru…

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:29:38pm

re: #20 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Accurate headline: “Greg Abbott continues to campaign hard for the 2024 GQP presidential primaries.”

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A Mom Anon  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:30:21pm

re: #20 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Well that will make everything all better….

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:33:24pm

They just passed the bill to make Juneteenth a holiday and now my manager is getting flooded with IMs if we will be off work this Friday…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:35:38pm
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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:36:19pm

Congress votes overwhelmingly to make Juneteenth a federal holiday. The day commemorates the end of slavery in Texas in 1865.

Waiting to see when Joe signs this…

washingtonpost.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:36:47pm

Well I’ll be damned

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:40:33pm

re: #25 Dread Pirate Ron

Is there an update on that? At the time (25 May) I was skeptical much would come out for several months.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:41:28pm

re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Well I’ll be damned

I’m sure we can guess which 14 assholes voted NO on the Juneteenth Holiday!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:43:36pm

re: #24 JOE 🥓

They just passed the bill to make Juneteenth a holiday and now my manager is getting flooded with IMs if we will be off work this Friday…

Juneteenth this year would be on Saturday, soooo….

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:44:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:45:35pm

re: #31 JOE 🥓

@RealDonaldJTrump CANCELLED!!!

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:49:23pm

re: #25 Dread Pirate Ron

Oh, that was an old tweet. I need to pay attention to dates.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:52:42pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Juneteenth this year would be on Saturday, soooo….

It will likely take effect in 2022 anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:53:57pm

re: #34 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

It will likely take effect in 2022 anyway.

I know it’s too late for this year, I was just sayin’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:54:38pm

my shocked face…oh wait…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:56:03pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:56:13pm
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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:56:24pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

“I have sinned…but God forgave me, so ya’ll should too!”

And God told me to buy this Mercedes.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:59:09pm

re: #39 BeenHereAwhile

And God told me to buy this Mercedes.

He also told me to use your donations to buy this multi-million dollar mansion, because as his servant I need to be comfortable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 4:59:29pm

*THUD*

JFC, such a fucking embarrassment

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:03:37pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

*THUD*

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So his “Nay” is predicated on the idea that Americans are so stupid as to confuse Juneteenth with Independence Day.

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:03:50pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

So his “Nay” is predicated on the idea that Americans are so stupid as to confuse Juneteenth with Independence Day.

For his voter base (the people he pretends are his constituents), he’s not wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:03:55pm

Under the legislation, the federal holiday would be known as Juneteenth National Independence Day.

Rep. Clay Higgins, R-La., said he would vote for the bill and he supported the establishment of a federal holiday, but he was upset that the name of the holiday included the word independence rather than emancipation. “Why would the Democrats want to politicize this by coopting the name of our sacred holiday of Independence Day?” Higgins said.

“I want to say to my white colleagues on the other side, getting your independence from being enslaved in a country is different from a country getting independence to rule themselves,” Rep. Brenda Lawrence, D-Mich., replied, adding, “We have a responsibility to teach every generation of Black and white Americans the pride of a people who have survived, endured and succeeded in these United States of America despite slavery.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:05:38pm

re: #43 Dopamine Fish

For his constituents, he’s not wrong.

I’m one of his constituents, but I wish I wasn’t…

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:06:39pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m one of his constituents, but I wish I wasn’t…

I corrected the post. He’s a Senator, which means he has more actual constituents than people he pretends are his constituents. After all, Republicans no longer represent all the people in their district/state/country, only other Republicans. (And even then, they don’t represent them very well, voting against all the things their constituents support.)

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:07:53pm
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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:08:37pm

re: #47 DodgerFan1988

Whatever happened to Blue Lives Matter, Dinesh D’ouchecanoe? Oh, I’m sorry, I did not refer to you with your appropriate honorific. That’s CONVICTED FELON Dinesh D’ouchecanoe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:09:57pm

re: #46 Dopamine Fish

I corrected the post. He’s a Senator, which means he has more actual constituents than people he pretends are his constituents. After all, Republicans no longer represent all the people in their district/state/country, only other Republicans. (And even then, they don’t represent them very well, voting against all the things their constituents support.)

no, Massie is my congresscritter in the House
My senators are Rand Paul and the Turtleman

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BeachDem  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:10:09pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

my shocked face…oh wait…

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It gets even stupider (quelle surprise)

Several House conservatives rose Wednesday to lodge objections based on the formal name of the bill creating the holiday, the Juneteenth National Independence Day Act. That, they said would detract from the significance of July 4, and one member, Rep.
Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), said it would “create confusion and push Americans to pick one of those two days as their independence day based on their racial identity.”

Not surprising that Massie would be confused, though.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:10:39pm

re: #47 DodgerFan1988

Let me guess…this asshole has been taking Hydroxychloroquine for the past 30 years…

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:11:19pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

no, Massie is my congresscritter in the House
My senators are Rand Paul and the Turtleman

I saw that in a follow-up post. I was misled by him saying he voted against a Senate bill. Regardless, the rest of my point still stands; he doesn’t believe he represents anyone but Republicans. Democrats should just go die, for all he cares; he doesn’t represent them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:12:12pm

re: #50 BeachDem

It gets even stupider (quelle surprise)

Several House conservatives rose Wednesday to lodge objections based on the formal name of the bill creating the holiday, the Juneteenth National Independence Day Act. That, they said would detract from the significance of July 4, and one member, Rep.
Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), said it would “create confusion and push Americans to pick one of those two days as their independence day based on their racial identity.”

Not surprising that Massie would be confused, though.

Must be those MIT engineering degrees that make him an expert in political science…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:12:56pm

CalISO keeping the power on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:13:00pm

re: #52 Dopamine Fish

I saw that in a follow-up post. I was misled by him saying he voted against a Senate bill. Regardless, the rest of my point still stands; he doesn’t believe he represents anyone but Republicans. Democrats should just go die, for all he cares; he doesn’t represent them.

He doesn’t even represent Republicans. He represents Libertarians and anarchists.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:13:46pm

Straight dude wingnut outrage currently trending on Twitter.

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mmmirele  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:14:11pm

re: #26 JOE 🥓

Congress votes overwhelmingly to make Juneteenth a federal holiday. The day commemorates the end of slavery in Texas in 1865.

Waiting to see when Joe signs this…

*cries a little*

I was born on June 19th. When I was a kid in California, it was depressing every school year that my sister and brother got their birthdays celebrated in school, but mine, being after the end of the school year, was not celebrated. Then we moved to Texas and I learned about this Black holiday called Juneteenth, but it didn’t make a whole hell of a lot of sense to me until I got to law school in the 1980s and learned about things like the Civil War Amendments to the Constitution (oh, ESPECIALLY the 14th Amendment, which really really really outweighs the 13th and 15th Amendments in jurisprudence).

As time has gone on, my understanding of the meaning of Juneteenth to the descendants of enslaved people has increased, but I’m a white woman, I’m not going to understand completely how it feels to know there was a set day in American history where Black people were emancipated. But I can try.

So I cried because this is a great day for Black Americans and for America, and my birthday? Pfffth—it’s nothing by comparison. I can’t wait for Biden to sign the bill.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:16:19pm

Back in the day, the Sears & Roebuck catalogue section was his reading material.

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:17:25pm

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Back in the day, the Sears & Roebuck catalogue section was his reading material.

She’s a beautiful woman who fits well in their underwear. What the actual bejesusing fuck does her sexual orientation have to do with anything? I mean, Christ on a cracker, straight men consume lesbian pornography in voluminous amounts. Just go look at the Pornhub stats sometime.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:17:35pm

O_o

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:18:31pm
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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:19:27pm

re: #61 DodgerFan1988

Holy Christ, they really are trying to whitewash away the fact that this was a VIOLENT INSURRECTION against the lawfully elected government. I just don’t believe the balls on these ones.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:20:32pm

re: #61 DodgerFan1988

Republicans want the officer who took out terrorist Babbitt killed.

They want him or her dead.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:21:07pm

re: #62 Dopamine Fish

They say it is whitewash but it is a very thick and heavy coat of an oil based paint.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:22:42pm

re: #61 DodgerFan1988

Maybe she can point to where the Biden Administration is censoring half of the citizens.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:24:06pm

re: #65 Dread Pirate Ron

Maybe she can point to where the Biden Administration is censoring half of the citizens.

or all the accidental falls from windows…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:24:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:25:29pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:26:33pm

Your problem is capitalism, not Megan Rapinoe.

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William Lewis  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:27:00pm

re: #59 Dopamine Fish

She’s a beautiful woman who fits well in their underwear. What the actual bejesusing fuck does her sexual orientation have to do with anything? I mean, Christ on a cracker, straight men consume lesbian pornography in voluminous amounts. Just go look at the Pornhub stats sometime.

What it has to do with is that she’s a strong competent woman who has utterly no need for him and has had more success in one year of her professional life than he will ever have; that scares little boys like him.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:28:08pm

re: #61 DodgerFan1988

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For trespassing…and property damage…and assault/battery…and theft…and vandalism…but, you know, why let facts get in the way of a false equivalence?

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:28:37pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s going on in Bernieland?

Well it’s not the Happiest Place On Earth anymore. Looks like it’s dissolving like an Alka Seltzer tablet.

AND

Carpetbagger Cenk is pissed off on the attack from Jimmy Bore and he returns fire…

TYT Responds To Jimmy Dore

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:29:01pm

re: #47 DodgerFan1988

Huh. Dinesh D’Sousa, ACAB.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:31:21pm
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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:37:24pm
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calochortus  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:38:22pm

re: #54 Dread Pirate Ron

CalISO keeping the power on.

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According to the local news, PG&E is still threatening rolling blackouts. Presumably trying to scare us into not overusing their equipment.
Personally, I’m more concerned about transformers blowing up after a couple days of heat.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:46:24pm

re: #75 JOE 🥓

Texas Power Grid Deregulation Cost Texans $28 Billion Over Two Decades
truthout.org

“…A 2014 report by the Texas Coalition for Affordable Power (TCAP) had similar findings to WSJ. At the time, the organization found that residents in deregulated areas paid $22 billion more than people in regulated areas of Texas. A follow-up report in 2019 by TCAP found that the gap had since narrowed, but that the system “ha[s] a long way to go,” said TCAP’s executive director.

WSJ’s findings are in light of some conservatives doubling down on defending the deregulated energy system in Texas after the crisis began. Last week, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry said that Texans would rather face the energy crisis that ballooned into what some called a Hurricane Katrina-scale disaster than face regulation from the federal government.”

Rick Perry is getting paid by the people profiting from this setup.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:46:31pm

YIKES

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:47:33pm
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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:49:13pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

YIKES

Should we tell him?

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calochortus  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:49:20pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

YIKES

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One hardly knows where to begin with that kind of stupidity.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:49:27pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

And they got help from the Russians, too.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:50:06pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

YIKES

[Embedded content]

So what Madison’s suggesting is that the answer to “patriots” attempting an armed insurrection is overwhelming military force?

Sounds alright with me.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:50:22pm

Good news, everyone! Greg Abbott signed the law allowing every yokel, redneck, drunk, dipshit, and gang banger to legally carry concealed handguns without any form of qualification, training, or background check. Nothing could possibly go wrong!

I’m not anti-gun and I’m not necessarily against citizens carrying firearms, but even before this I thought the Texas permit was laughably easy to get. I think there should be strict requirements uniform to all 50 states, but of course I live in fantasyland.

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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:50:28pm

re: #25 Dread Pirate Ron

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yes.
next?

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:50:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:51:05pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

So what Madison’s suggesting is that the answer to “patriots” attempting an armed insurrection is overwhelming military force?

Sounds alright with me.

with small arms…yeppers

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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:52:41pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

with small arms…yeppers

Guerilla warfare against the U.S. Wolverines!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:52:48pm

re: #186 The Pie Overlord!

All you have to be is “not Christian” (or not the right Christian) to know this is true.

Ted Cruz
tedcruz

Shameful. This is religious persecution. Naked & unabashed.

And it is lawless disregard of binding Supreme Court precedent.
2:30 PM • Jun 16, 2021
Rhetoric 📔⚔️🪴🐵
@Rh3t0ricTV
Replying to @tedcruz
Oh please. More people are persecuted by Christians than the number of Christians who are persecuted in this country. Stop with the excuses for hate.
2:34 PM • Jun 16, 2021

TheTrodUpon
trod_us

Such crazy, baseless nonsense. Just demonstrably not so. I can’t wrap my around the point of taking the time to write such transparent bullshit.
2:38 PM • Jun 16, 2021
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@superdupergrump
Replying to @trod_us
Really? I’d have to agree - Christians persecute other religions far more than the reverse in the United States. Always have.
2:42 PM • Jun 16, 2021

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sagehen  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:53:22pm

re: #75 JOE 🥓

that’s the problem; no duct tape, no chewing gum, no paper clips. Did these people never go to high school?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 5:56:04pm

re: #90 sagehen

that’s the problem; no duct tape, no chewing gum, no paper clips. Did these people never go to high school?

never watched MacGyver

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:00:32pm

re: #90 sagehen

As is well known, in an emergency you can boost energy output 300% by re-routing the plasma phase conductor stream through the matter-antimatter reaction containment field. Texas has nothing to worry about.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:00:41pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

YIKES

[Embedded content]

Is that dumbfuck trying to get his brainwashed followers killed? Btw, VC and PAVN dead combined totaled 1.3 million. That’s their figure.

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:02:03pm

re: #93 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Is that dumbfuck trying to get his brainwashed followers killed? Btw, VC and VPA dead combined totaled 1.3 million. That’s their figure.

I remember reading somewhere that the Tet Offensive was basically a desperation ploy, because the US was constricting the VC operations and they needed to apply pressure in order to win the only way they could - get the American public to give up.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:03:19pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

YIKES

Alternatively, ask the Marines how their tactics and technology has changed vs small-arms infantry in the half century since the Vietnam war.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:04:10pm

Likely tropical storm or hurricane in Houston or areas east in five days.

nhc.noaa.gov

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Jay C  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:04:44pm

re: #94 Dopamine Fish

I remember reading somewhere that the Tet Offensive was basically a desperation ploy, because the US was constricting the VC operations and they needed to apply pressure in order to win the only way they could - get the American public to give up.

And getting the American public to give up on Vietnam was one thing, getting it to give up on America may be a different matter.

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:05:22pm

re: #97 Jay C

And getting the American public to give up on Vietnam was one thing, getting to give up on America may be a different matter.

Indeed. Hell, I haven’t given up on America yet, though I’m on the opposite side of the fence from the fascists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:06:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:08:57pm

wait, wut?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:09:21pm

re: #94 Dopamine Fish

I remember reading somewhere that the Tet Offensive was basically a desperation ploy, because the US was constricting the VC operations and they needed to apply pressure in order to win the only way they could - get the American public to give up.

The Vietcong Main Force (their organized combat units) was essentially wiped out in the Tet Offensive and was never again a factor in operations. The regular North Vietnamese army (PAVN) took over all combat operations with the National Liberation Front (VC) providing political and logistical support. In 1972, I never saw an enemy combatant, alive or dead, who was not a uniformed PAVN soldier.

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:11:32pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait, wut?

Honestly, the helicopters that fly over my neighborhood are all LifeLine flights. If that helicopter is in my neighborhood, shit is getting REAL.

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William Lewis  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:14:08pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

YIKES

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With a lot of high explosives, crew served weapons and artillery far beyond the militia morons. Lots of supplies coming down the Ho Chi Mihn Trail. Support from numerous nation states.

All in all, he’s a moron who has no clue what an insurgency needs and would be slaughtered like the ones in Malaysia and Greece post WWII.

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:15:30pm

re: #103 William Lewis

With a lot of high explosives, crew served weapons and artillery far beyond the militia morons. Lots of supplies coming down the Ho Chi Mihn Trail. Support from numerous nation states.

All in all, he’s a moron who has no clue what an insurgency needs and would be slaughtered like the ones in Malaysia and Greece post WWII.

Russia’s reach is long, but both Trump and Putin are kidding themselves if they think Russia can sustain an insurgency on the American continent in the face of organized American resistance. Their only hope is to take the military out of the fight, which is why there is such heavy recruiting among active and retired military to the side of the treasonweasels.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:20:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:21:12pm

the eternal question:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:22:24pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:22:33pm
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jaunte  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:23:28pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

This Pick Your Fighter screen is very disappointing.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:24:17pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Brady Bunch reboot looks like shit.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:26:33pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

the eternal question:

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This picture is an answer to question “What’s whiter than a Siberian winter?”

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:28:23pm

As I said, he’s burning bridges:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:30:52pm

Vroom，沒有繁榮 (no boom)
Seems google translator can’t find “vroom” in Chinese

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:32:19pm

re: #104 Dopamine Fish

Russia’s reach is long, but both Trump and Putin are kidding themselves if they think Russia can sustain an insurgency on the American continent in the face of organized American resistance. Their only hope is to take the military out of the fight, which is why there is such heavy recruiting among active and retired military to the side of the treasonweasels.

Every “patriot” fantasy assumes one of two scenarios: Their valiant uprising against the “tyrannical government” will inspire the Armed Forces to defect in droves to their side or that those soldiers will refuse orders to fire on their fellow countrymen and simply sit out the war so that the “patriots” may storm the barricades to remove the wimpy civilian politicians by force.

The more realistic scenario is that the first armed assholes who try to take shots at those soldiers get mowed down, then the rest either have their bunkers kicked in and their fat asses drug out like Saddam from his spiderhole or left to rot while surrounded by armed soldiers until they either surrender or kill each other fighting over the last Twinkie.

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:35:26pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

The only way an insurrection is going to succeed is if the government is being obviously tyrannical, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff refuse to go along with the bullshit and fight against their own government. Otherwise, any insurrection “of the people” is just going to die a swift and brutal death, the same as in any dictatorship overseas. If the military had been deployed and given standing orders to shoot first and ask questions later, 1/6 would have been a bloodbath on the order of Tiananmen Square.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:36:06pm
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Renaissance_Man  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:36:34pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

Every “patriot” fantasy assumes one of two scenarios: Their valiant uprising against the “tyrannical government” will inspire the Armed Forces to defect in droves to their side or that those soldiers will refuse orders to fire on their fellow countrymen and simply sit out the war so that the “patriots” may storm the barricades to remove the wimpy civilian politicians by force.

The more realistic scenario is that the first armed assholes who try to take shots at those soldiers get mowed down, then the rest either have their bunkers kicked in and their fat asses drug out like Saddam from his spiderhole or left to rot while surrounded by armed soldiers until they either surrender or kill each other fighting over the last Twinkie. are arrested, then released quietly over a series of months while Republican politicians and op-ed writers go about pretending their coup was both patriotic and also never happened, and the news media talks about other things so the perpetrators are never punished.

I mean, that’s really the most realistic scenario in 2020s America.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:40:45pm
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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:41:25pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

All that time sucking Trump’s dick taught him a few things, it seems.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:41:36pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:43:54pm

JFC he’s so pathetic

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:46:29pm

re: #29 JOE 🥓

I’m sure we can guess which 14 assholes voted NO on the Juneteenth Holiday!

Well color me surprised: Gaetz, Boebert, and MTG are not among the 14 Republicans who voted against the holiday.

They were: Rosendale of Montana, Andrew Clyde of Georgia, Paul Gosar and Andy Biggs of Arizona, Mo Brooks and Mike Rogers of Alabama, Thomas Massie of Kentucky, Ralph Norman of South Carolina, Tom McClintock and Doug LaMalfa of California, Tom Tiffany of Wisconsin, Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee and Ronny Jackson and Chip Roy of Texas.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:48:23pm

Some more American history not taught in Texas high schools:

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:48:26pm

DA FUQ

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:50:15pm
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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:51:04pm

re: #125 Dread Pirate Ron

Expected from the propaganda rag that wants Trump back in office.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:52:35pm

It should be apparent to everyone that now…

GOP =

Gushing
Over
Putin

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:53:34pm
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No Malarkey!  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:53:50pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 6:59:43pm
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Dangerman  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:01:50pm

speaking of…

Jennifer Gosar told CNN that her brother, Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ), was “absolutely” responsible for the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection.

Said Gosar: “I do still believe my brother was an organizer of, or a part-organizer of, and I have no evidence to the contrary to suggest anything different.”

She added: “I absolutely believe that.”

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calochortus  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:02:37pm

re: #130 Dread Pirate Ron

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Ummmm, when I really care about an election outcome I fill in the oval absolutely perfectly to be sure the machine reads it correctly. Apparently a lot of Arizona and Georgia voters do the same.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:04:41pm

Ok. Seriously asking this. Can those balloons really lift up propane tanks?!

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:05:25pm

re: #133 GlutenFreeJesus

Ok. Seriously asking this. Can those balloons really lift up propane tanks?!

[Embedded content]

Depending on what they’re filled with, absolutely. Never underestimate the power of helium and the volume of a standard rubber balloon.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:05:32pm

re: #103 William Lewis

All in all, he’s a moron who has no clue what an insurgency needs and would be slaughtered like the ones in Malaysia and Greece post WWII.

I’m ok with that.

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garzooma  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:06:31pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

YouTube

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:07:53pm

re: #134 Dopamine Fish

Yeah they do look more substantial than the usual balloons.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:16:11pm
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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:16:45pm
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John Vreeland  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:20:58pm

Remember when Conservapedia went on a rampage denying the results of Lenski’s work? They kept demanding a sample of his bacterial cultures, to do what with them I cannot imagine, and nor could anyone else.

The most interesting thing about the citrate mutation was not that it was unlikely (very), but that given enough generations it was inevitable. This struck the religious zealots to the core. They seem to have deleted all references to Lenski’s work, but you can still find creationist bunk everywhere on the site, like the weird claim that the 2nd Law prohibits evolution.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:21:30pm

The Russo-goober insurgents not only can’t handle the military, they can’t handle the armed citizens who will oppose them. I’ve been talking about their fixation on small arms for a while now and today, moron Madison Cawthon confirmed it. There are deep-seated psychological reasons for their gun-love and their related obsession with display and boasting. These are fatal weaknesses in a real conflict.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:21:52pm

re: #20 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Californians move out, Texans move under. Underground 6ft that is….

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:24:18pm

re: #133 GlutenFreeJesus

Ok. Seriously asking this. Can those balloons really lift up propane tanks?!

[Embedded content]

Lol no.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:28:06pm

So left me dig out my doomsayer robes and get my staff mounted with a crucified raven>

Okay.

So the cosplayers are very hard not to watch—being alternately frightening and funny—and the wargame fantasy of how they’ll lose are engaging…

…but they’re not the coup.

The coup is the thing that’s already happening: capturing state legislatures; blocking voting, gaming the court appointment system; and shifting the culture into reactionary modes where enough people are in a panic that they will accept authoritarianism to get back the status quo, but also just enough people into believing that cruelty is necessary to fix society.

The people pulling the coup are already-entrenched individuals with power in different spheres: your rich people, your religous fanatics of both sincere and insincere varieties, your politicians that want to game the system for venal reasons and your politicians that want to game the system for more primal power/control need reasons.

The cosplayers who feel confident enough to riot are a product of what they’re doing…the people that have jumped on the cultural shift fastest, are the most willing to accept the premise of “everything wrong is caused by outside ideas that has corrupted fellow citizens who are no longer Americans and do not deserve rights.”

What the actual coup looks like…and will continue to look like…is a series of legislative maneuvers that violate the spirit of the law but are permitted under the rule of law as dictated by judges and legislators. Shit that shouldn’t allowed will be allowed. If a particular ugly law fails to get voted in, it will be re-written and put before a different judge, over and over. People that resist the implementation of cruel, unjust laws will be painted by the cultural wing of the coup as dangerous and deserving of violence…mostly from the state, but increasingly there will be explicit and implicit permissions for the followers (who are otherwise not benefiting, but have been taught to enjoy the suffering of others and view it as normal) to hurt and use people.

And here’s the trick—

[waving raven bedecked staff]

…all of the above will not be revolutionary, it will be a return to form…the United States that most white people lived in and yearn for, where they could express themselves in their contempt and fear for the strange and other while massive institutions fucked them over with greater and greater sophistication. And anybody trying to stop that return to form will be the rebel, the revolutionary, the coup-maker, because technically the law is on the side of the reactionary. When the violence comes, it will be presented as self-defense and accepted as such.

Russia doesn’t need to do anything to America, because all the shit Russia does in other countries is just what America does to itself. Russia itself is the way it is because America and its allies preferred authoritarians that privatized assets to…any hypothetical post-Soviet democratically elected state. Oh, sure, they’ll help because kleptocrats and authoritarians of different stripes all have each other’s backs…but if Vladimir Putin disappeared in a whiff of fire tomorrow the American oligarchs would do exactly the same things they’re already doing, and American bootlickers would just locate another strongman to lick the boots of.

This has always been a part of the country…a profound contempt for humanism because it’s egalitarian is inconvenient to appetite; a belief in hierarchy but no particular hierarchy that could disadvantage the believer-in-hierarchy; a belief that merit is license but also merit can gamed. For lack of a better way of putting it: there is something Faustian in how American has approached its ideals: a willingness to engage with the form but not the substance, with the aesthetic but not the functional, the symbols but not the symbolized. It’s not just conservatives, there is a cultural base of arrogance and anti-intellectualism that always find a way to make what is convenient what is moral, and an individualism that blurs the line between sentimentality and actual problem-solving.

All this stuff going on is happening because it’s worked…in America, in America’s global zone of hegemony…over and over, and the times that it hasn’t worked we’ve just kind of invented a story where it both worked and we’re the victims who’ve been set up…not by the people who actually made the bad plan, but by the skeptics who said the plan was a bad idea.

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retired cynic  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:28:50pm

re: #143 Rightwingconspirator

Depends on how much gas is in the propane tanks. /////

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:30:59pm
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A Mom Anon  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:32:50pm

re: #144 The Ghost of a Flea

You really need to write a book. You’re a good writer. Thanks for your contributions here.

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retired cynic  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:33:47pm

re: #147 A Mom Anon

Ghost is so good, I’d be surprised if he hasn’t already written quite a bit.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:36:34pm
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Dopamine Fish  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:37:17pm

re: #149 Dread Pirate Ron

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A fair question? Good faith?! WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!

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sagehen  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:37:32pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

Missouri cops can ignore federal gun laws, just like California cops can ignore federal immigration law.

If the Feds want to send in their own people to enforce Federal Law, the state/city cops can’t interfere. But they don’t have to assist if the governor/mayor doesn’t want them to.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:37:47pm
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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:40:14pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:50:07pm
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jaunte  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:55:14pm

re: #153 Belafon

I don’t know; Juneteenth, The Day We Found Out They’d Been Lying is kind of baked into the date.

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retired cynic  Jun 16, 2021 • 7:55:38pm

A friend just told me that, speaking of all the changes in the 20th century, her grandfather went by wagon train to Colorado. He bicycled back to Illinois on a high wheeler, and lived to hear John Glenn orbit the earth the year before he died at age 94.

She said he told her he had to push the bicycle more that ride it.

The bicycle part was more amazing to me than the rest of it!

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plansbandc  Jun 16, 2021 • 8:20:16pm

re: #132 calochortus

They have zero comprehension how thoroughly some of us color in the lines on ballots. We want our vote counted.


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