An Astounding Tour De Force: Antoine Boyer & Yeore Kim: “Take Away”

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Take Away - Written and arranged by Antoine Boyer

Tangram album is out now ! ➔ https://abyktngrm.lnk.to/hrWRyr

Guitar : Antoine Boyer
Harmonica : Yeore Kim
Double basse : William Brunard
Drums : Jonathan Gomis

Recorded by Julien Taillefer for “C’est par ici qu’ça se passe !”
Mixed by Julien Taillefer, Benoit Lebrun and Antoine Boyer
Executive Production : Benoit Lebrun for “C’est par ici qu’ça se passe !”
Mastering : Benjamin Joubert
Production : Antoine Boyer and Viavox Production
Camera : André Baille Barelle
Video Editing : Antoine Boyer
Recorded in La Ferrière (Mésanger 44), France, in September 2020 

Antoine plays a guitar by Collings Guitars with Mama Pickups humbucker.

A big thank you to Manon Lebrun, Sarah Brunetière, Steeve Gernez, Marc Chevalier, Jérôme Bimier, Pierre Lebrun, Romain Viallon, Sam et Laurence du studio de la Ferrière, the Viavox Production team, Raphaël Maillet, Youngtae Wi, Mire Kim, Jongman Kim, Yunhee Lee, Sébastien Boyer, Jean-Claude et Marielle Boyer, and all the contributors who supported Tangram project !

Support Antoine on Patreon → https://www.patreon.com/antoineboyer
Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/antoineboyermusic
Facebook → https://www.facebook.com/antoineboyermusic
Website → http://www.antoineboyermusic.com

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214 comments
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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2021 • 8:14:41pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2021 • 8:18:59pm
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A Mom Anon  Jun 16, 2021 • 8:27:23pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

Dave was wearing what looked like a DC Statehood T-shirt at that show. The photos of the antivax dipshits were just sad. Anything to get attention and be an asshole.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 16, 2021 • 8:27:55pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

Fiction as reality. Wow.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2021 • 8:34:15pm

Just a non-stop fire hose of bad craziness. Thank you universe for foisting this piece of work upon my civic life.

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retired cynic  Jun 16, 2021 • 8:38:32pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

I bet she thinks that was profound.

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plansbandc  Jun 16, 2021 • 8:42:16pm

I think MTG is seriously mentally impaired. Not kidding.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2021 • 8:46:27pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

Just a non-stop fire hose of bad craziness. Thank you universe for foisting this piece of work upon my civic life.

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Y’know, this shit is really hard to take considering the first decade of this century was spent in a constant worry that Muslim men were going to slaughter us all unless we killed them first.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 16, 2021 • 8:46:34pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

She’s awful. And really not at all smart. MTG is in the district next to and above mine. Not far away. My rep is a dipshit named Barry Loudermilk. Reading his Wikipedia page, it’s interesting how he managed to get into office from a local level up to the House. Not because of anything outstanding really, just that his story isn’t that unique and Democrats need to look at how influence and electability are formulated as they try finding their way into office. All this shit is important, every elected office is. Those offices are often incubators for new politicians to entrench themselves and their party in a particular place, sometimes for decades. We need to watch those offices intently too. It’s a huge mistake Dems have made, not investing in our own infrastructure.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2021 • 8:51:09pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 8:58:04pm

I got a quick little ride in after the sun set. Around the block, 4 miles in 11 minutes.

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sagehen  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:05:50pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

Just a non-stop fire hose of bad craziness. Thank you universe for foisting this piece of work upon my civic life.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:07:09pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

But back in the day the conservatives only liked America precisely because they saw all those institutions were theirs…not even other Americans’…and hated our global opponents as obstacles to getting everything they wanted.

The sadism and the entitlement was there, they just thought they were winning.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:15:50pm

Keep digging, Andrew:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:17:30pm

re: #157 plansbandc

They have zero comprehension how thoroughly some of us color in the lines on ballots. We want our vote counted.

Or …

They’re lying.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:21:47pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

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EstebanTornado1963  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:24:32pm

re: #14 Belafon

Let’s at least put the full clip up here. Also I understood he was also talking about this in the context of the anti Asian violence that has been going on.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:25:21pm

re: #7 plansbandc

I think MTG is seriously mentally impaired. Not kidding.

But she’s not.

She’s just made a choice that most information does not matter, because it doesn’t make her feel good. Feeling victimized was more important than having an accurate sense of scale of human suffering: depicting the source of personal inconvenience as Nazis was enjoyable and produced more enjoyment when it was affirmed by other people.

That’s what this whole Holocaust Museum thing was about: it didn’t occur to her that she should know about the Holocaust, because her axiom is that however much she knows is enough to license confidence and incuriousity. Her theater piece was getting caught being so callous with information that even her audience of people that like being callous with information flinched. But it’s also why her contrition also won’t stick: her axiom will reassert itself once the shame burns off. And her base have their own axiom that says that callousness is a merit and cruelty is fun…and some of them will forget that time she was embarrassing because they want more callousness and fun, and others will learn that trivializing the Holocaust further is a fun form of callousness but not one that can be expressed publicly without shaming.

None of this is stupidity, let alone a form of mental impairment…it is a core belief that truth is a power transaction. She can say a thing and it is true because she can’t be stopped by other people’s rhetoric, or feelings, or epistemological arguments about why a thing is not truer. The only thing that made her perform contrition is the threat of loss of power: that her base and her allies will remove her clout and thus her license.

Eventually she will find the kind of coded language that allow her to say fascist antisemitic shit but not upset Ben Shapiro and his audience…or she will accumulate enough clout that critics can’t hold anything over her.

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gocart mozart  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:34:24pm
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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:35:04pm

OOPS! A Colorado grifter got caught with his hands in the party cooky jar!

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:35:07pm

re: #19 gocart mozart

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Maybe they will eat the mice.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:37:19pm

re: #19 gocart mozart

Kingdom of the Spiders (1977) - Official Trailer

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:38:50pm
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JOE 🥓  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:41:08pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:57:58pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2021 • 9:58:14pm

Powder Magazine Instagram post

Having been one of the first to document the freeskiing movement of the 1970’s, Mark Shapiro is considered the “Godfather” of freeride ski photography. His work with “Team Clambin”—alongside John Falkiner and Ace Kvale, who lived in a chalet in Verbier’s Clambin neighborhood—is the stuff of legends, and spearheaded the pilgrimage of many ski bums to the Alps to seek the truth behind his mythical pictures. Exotic landscapes, big adventure skiing, and ridiculously deep powder were his trademark, and his subjects, a who’s who of the international skiing brotherhood.

Here are Marko’s Top 5 photos of his illustrious and inspirational career. Link in bio to hear his great stories behind these images. #powdertothepeople #skiing🎿

I made a fart noise when I looked at the second photograph.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:04:55pm

My wife just got an E-mail from the VAERS programme about her report on the Moderna vaccine’s effects (in her case, restoring her lost sense-of-smell).

a) Someone in the government actually reads the reports. Considering how anti-vaxxers constantly trash the reporting system, that must be a pain for those who review reports.

b) She left out a single line of information on the report form (one of the dose’s lot numbers). That’s easily fixed.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:09:09pm

Where’s that vaunted civility conservatives are always droning on about?
‘Die and go to hell’: Assistant Utah AG sends fiery email after candidate disturbs his nap (NBC News)

Darin Mano said he was shocked to read Assistant Attorney General Steven Wuthrich’s email after knocking on doors for his city council campaign. Wuthrich has apologized.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:11:12pm

re: #22 JOE 🥓

I was going to pull that up.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:11:46pm

re: #17 EstebanTornado1963

Let’s at least put the full clip up here. Also I understood he was also talking about this in the context of the anti Asian violence that has been going on.

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Thanks. That’s what I get for relying in twitter.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:16:27pm

Beartooth Basin summer ski area in Wyoming closed yesterday ‘cause of the heatwave. They were open less than three weeks.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:17:59pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:20:19pm

Speaking of the Beartooth Highway, the #RobertsonDrawFire is threatening the town of Red Lodge, MT.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:21:33pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

Beartooth Basin summer ski area in Wyoming closed yesterday ‘cause of the heatwave. They were open less than three weeks.

The seven dams on the North Platte River were opened to reduce the impoundments’ levels before the heat wave struck.

The river here is very high. The dams are now closed, so the water level should drop.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:29:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:29:58pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 10:36:21pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

Heatwave Causes Beartooth Basin Summer Ski Area, WY/MT, to Close For the Season Today | Snowbrains

Yup, it’s hot around here.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:13:28pm

re: #19 gocart mozart

Can hardly blame the spiders for wanting to stay dry.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:16:11pm

So Veritasium finally got around to the Lenski experiment:

The Longest-Running Evolution Experiment

It’s fine for what it is… but the comments, oh boy.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:28:02pm

YouTube

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:29:50pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

Beartooth Basin summer ski area in Wyoming closed yesterday ‘cause of the heatwave. They were open less than three weeks.

A month ago the California snow pack was 0% of normal.

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ericblair  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:33:04pm

My read is that dark money is about the only thing holding the Republican Party together as a semi-coherent force. And the red hat brigade hates the idea of billionaires buying elections, so hierarchy isn’t as straightforward as you’d think.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:34:42pm

re: #18 The Ghost of a Flea

The Auschwitz Museum slammed Marjorie Taylor Greene after she likened vaccination badges to Nazi-mandated yellow stars (Business Insider)

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene evoked the Holocaust to critique a local grocery store’s policies.
The Auschwitz Museum called the comparison a “sad symptom of moral and intellectual decline.”
Greene previously compared the House’s mask mandate to the treatment of people during the Holocaust.

Greene’s remarks represented a doubling down after she was similarly criticized recently for drawing a comparison between public-health precautions and Nazi discrimination of Jews.

Earlier this month, Greene lashed out at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for continuing a mask mandate in the chamber. Greene called Pelosi “mentally ill” and compared the mask mandate, which she described as “abuse,” to Holocaust atrocities.

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She has become an international embarrassment. That is why she made the hostage video at the Holocaust Museum.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:39:18pm

From the previous thread:

re: #140 John Vreeland

Remember when Conservapedia went on a rampage denying the results of Lenski’s work? They kept demanding a sample of his bacterial cultures, to do what with them I cannot imagine, and nor could anyone else.

The most interesting thing about the citrate mutation was not that it was unlikely (very), but that given enough generations it was inevitable. This struck the religious zealots to the core. They seem to have deleted all references to Lenski’s work, but you can still find creationist bunk everywhere on the site, like the weird claim that the 2nd Law prohibits evolution.

All of that was preserved at RationalWiki, including all the letters from Andrew Schlafly to Prof. Lenski, and his responses. Lenski got more petulant with Schlafly as the exchange continued and it was obvious Schlafly had no idea what he was talking about.

Lenski Affair

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ericblair  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:47:20pm

Because “a cabin in Montana” just screams professional and nonpartisan.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:49:47pm

In the continuing desire of conservatives to destroy anything they wish, the Nebraska Game and Parks Commission is allowing a hunting season for river otters.

Estimates show there are about two thousand river otters in Nebraska.

Otter trapping, mountain lion hunting seasons OK’d by Nebraska Game and Parks (Omaha World-Herald)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 16, 2021 • 11:50:43pm

The SBC convention still providing tweets that are worthy of mocking:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 12:01:19am

re: #48 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The SBC convention still providing tweets that are worthy of mocking:

Aside from the Bible itself, Christian leaders and apologists make some of the best arguments for atheism.

Gone are the days when a pastor or priest could say anything they want. Now it goes on the Internet.

People can compare what apologists or church leaders have said and notice they are frequently contradictory with their own theology, cover up crime, or at odds with what others preach from a supposedly inspired book.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 12:10:12am

Pew Research:

Unlike other U.S. religious groups, most atheists and agnostics oppose the death penalty

No religious group scored less than 50% favouring the death penalty, except atheists and agnostics.

White evangelicals were the strongest at 75%, followed by white non-evangelicals at 73%.

Black Protestants were the lowest religious group at 50%.

A majority of adults in the United States favor the death penalty for people convicted of murder, according to a recent Pew Research Center survey. However, views about the death penalty vary by religion - with atheists and agnostics opposing this form of punishment at about the same rate as Americans overall support it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 12:22:56am

(video, 0:08)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 12:27:49am

Republican state delegate in West Virginia. He’s still anti-everything else and a proud Drumpf supporter, but opposes anti-LGBT+ legislation (now).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 12:37:50am

GOHMERT!

Gohmert Swears $5,500 ‘Donation’ to Holocaust Denier Was a Mistake (Daily Beast)

That hate-Christian is Steven Anderson, banned from entering over fifty countries because of his hate religion.

Anderson is also a sovereign citizen. He also thinks LGBT should be executed by the state, claimed President Obama should be executed, along with women who receive an abortion or doctors who perform them.

Of course, no mention of Steven Anderson is complete without his being tasered at the US-Mexico border for claiming border patrol had no authority over him.

(Starts at 2:40)

Video of the PasTURD Steven Anderson Tazered! Don’t Tase Me, Bro! LOL!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 12:49:50am

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Team Gohmert claims it hired a Christian singer named Steve Amerson from Granada HIlls, California, but accidentally reported to the Federal Election Commission that the cash went to the Tempe, Arizona address of the Faithful Word Baptist Church, led by the infamous Pastor Steve Anderson.

Sure, everyone confuses California with Arizona when they mail five and a half large to someone, then reports that on campaign documents. Happens all the time.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 17, 2021 • 12:53:43am

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 12:56:48am

Some of Steven Anderson’s lowlights as listed at IMDB:

“The Jews Are Our Enemies”
“The Jews Killed Jesus”
“Unbelieving Jews Are Under God’s Wrath”
“Jews Worship a Female God Named ‘Shekinah”
“Jewish Synagogue = Synagogue of Satan.”

Needless to say, the Anti-Defamation League lists him as a bigot and Holocaust denier.

Anti-Semitic Pastor Steve Anderson Promotes Holocaust Denial

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 12:57:54am

re: #7 plansbandc

I think MTG is seriously mentally impaired. Not kidding.

that was the brunette looney

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:02:40am

re: #46 ericblair

The secure Arizona voter data is being ‘analyzed’ in a cabin in Montana. This is absolute chaos.

This sort of activity can only flourish in a population that is clueless about science, statistics and procedure, and fixated on bombshells and sensational scandals.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:05:25am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This sort of activity can only flourish in a population that is clueless about science, statistics and procedure, and fixated on bombshells and sensational scandals.

And that comes about from conservatives defunding schools and education for decades, along with an endless stream of propaganda from hate preachers and wingnut radio and television.

The endless bombardment of hatred and lies takes a toll on any nation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:08:03am

re: #59 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And that comes about from conservatives defunding schools and education for decades, along with an endless stream of propaganda from hate preachers and wingnut radio and television.

The endless bombardment of hatred and lies takes a toll on any nation.

We must be vestiges of the last generation to be educated in a public school: I recall learning the Scientific Method in Science class and we had a History teacher who taught us about how to locate and use original source material, a Civics teacher who taught how government is supposed to work, and an English teacher who explained the difference between literary genres and points of view.

Those were invaluable lessons.

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sagehen  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:10:40am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We must be vestiges of the last generation to be educated in a public school: I recall learning the Scientific Method in Science class and we had a History teacher who taught us about how to locate and use original source material.

Those were invaluable lessons.

I graduated high school the year before Proposition 13. I received an excellent education K-12.

Once upon a time, California public schools were the best in the country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:11:45am

re: #61 sagehen

I graduated high school the year before Proposition 13. I received an excellent education K-12.

Once upon a time, California public schools were the best in the country.

Our schools in Gary, Indiana were also once very progressive, we even learned about Evolution and ecology, and studied Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:11:54am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We must be vestiges of the last generation to be educated in a public school: I recall learning the Scientific Method in Science class and we had a History teacher who taught us about how to locate and use original source material, a Civics teacher who taught how government is supposed to work, and an English teacher who explained the difference between literary genres and points of view.

Those were invaluable lessons.

My public education was similar and I graduated from high school in 1987. This was up in the Pacific Northwest, in the Portland, OR metro area.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:23:06am

re: #61 sagehen

I graduated high school the year before Proposition 13. I received an excellent education K-12.

Once upon a time, California public schools were the best in the country.

They still aren’t bad, they make do with what they have. The teachers are dedicated and capable. My daughters fared well in our school district, went on to 4 years of college, and my youngest is now a HS biology teacher…. well if she gets a job. She just got her teaching credentials. It’s not the CA schools, it’s the home environment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:25:06am

re: #64 Dread Pirate Ron

It’s not the CA schools, it’s the home environment.

Like both parents having to work full-time plus just to make ends meet?

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:27:12am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Like both parents having to work full-time plus just to make ends meet?

That depends if you want 2 jet skis, a boat and RV. We did without and raised 2 kids on my city government salary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:27:43am

Critical Race Theory already eroding our Anglo-Saxon work ethic:

Juneteenth: US to add federal holiday marking end of slavery

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:28:09am

re: #66 Dread Pirate Ron

That depends if you want 2 jet skis, a boat and RV. We did without and raised 2 kids on my city government salary.

also depends where…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:42:27am
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sagehen  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:46:11am

Garfunkel & Oates - Dating a REPUBLICAN

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:47:54am

re: #70 sagehen

Nice. I love them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:52:04am

re: #70 sagehen

From 1990 but relevant as ever:

Your Racist Friend

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 1:55:12am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We must be vestiges of the last generation to be educated in a public school: I recall learning the Scientific Method in Science class and we had a History teacher who taught us about how to locate and use original source material, a Civics teacher who taught how government is supposed to work, and an English teacher who explained the difference between literary genres and points of view.

Those were invaluable lessons.

Although I went to three high schools during my tenure (one in Brazil), it was the same for me (though Civics was named Government). I had US History in my senior year (Michigan requires it in the junior year) because of my exchange student trip the year before.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 2:01:27am

re: #73 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Our school even dedicated an entire semester of sixth grade History to Central and South American history.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 2:25:44am

‘Allow teachers to teach the truth’ | Column (Tampa Bay Times, opinion by Leonard Pitts Jr., June 16, 2021)

A future Florida classroom of fear and loathing and no critical race theory, imagines Leonard Pitts.

The morning bell rang at Republican High (“Home of the Fightin’ Pachyderms”) as students shuffled in. Gretchen Niedermeyer dry swallowed a couple of pre-emptive aspirins and reminded herself as she did every morning that she was just 16 months and — a glance at the calendar — seven days from her pension.

“Good morning, class,” she said. “As you know, oral reports on African-American history are due this morning.” She ignored a chorus of groans. “Tommy, you go first.”

Tommy Weissmuller stood. “My report is on slavery,” he said. “Slavery is when they made the Black people work really hard. Like, they even had to work on weekends. And the Founding Fathers were surprised when they heard about this. They thought it was unfair, so they had a war with the South to make them stop. Then the South realized the Founding Fathers were right and together, they ended slavery. The end.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 2:32:49am

Next Florida Initiative: Banning Critical Reich Theory.

“Antifa radicals fixate on the death camps and jackboots and subjugating nations with smaller armies. Let us instead focus on the positive aspects of National Socialism, like Autobahns, space technology and containing the spread of Communism!

We also plan legislation establish a series of Lebensborn summer camps to ensure that White People are not replaced.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 2:32:53am

New Telegram audio transcripts show how Proud Boys panicked when members started getting arrested after the Capitol riot (Yahoo!)

Proud Boys members squabbled in private conversations after the Capitol riot, according to newly-released audio transcripts in a group leader’s court case.

Ethan Nordean, a 30-year-old described as the “Sergeant of Arms” of the Proud Boys’ Seattle chapter, was arrested in February and charged with obstructing or impeding an official proceeding, aiding and abetting, and knowingly entering a restricted building, according to the Associated Press.

The most serious charge against Nordean, who also goes by the alias “Rufio Panman,” carries a sentence of up to 20 years in prison.

Court documents released on Tuesday detailed audio files investigators had recovered from Nordean’s cell phone, that were exchanged on Telegram, an encrypted-messaging service that has become popular with far-right groups.

In the conversation, individuals who appeared to be fellow Proud Boys members expressed worry about the ongoing investigation and arrests of people involved in the Capitol riot, while others chastised the members who took part in the riot.

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I believe the kids these days say “fuque around and find out.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 2:52:00am

Wallace v Jaffree (US Supreme Court case, 1985, goes to Wikipedia)

The case shot down moments of silence when the point was to promote prayer in school, in a case brought against the Mobile, Ala. school board.

Gov. DeSantis gave away the game when he held his signing ceremony at a Jewish community centre rather than a government office for his new law.

“The idea that you can just push God out of every institution and be successful, I’m sorry, our Founding Fathers did not believe that,” DeSantis said, shortly before signing the measure behind a placard that read “protect religious liberty.”

State rep Randy Fine (R-eligion) made the same claim when he introduced HB-529.

Alabama passed three laws, which were initially upheld. The first created a moment of silence. The second added voluntary prayer. The third allowed teachers to recite prayers with “willing students.”

The Supreme Court struck down all three laws 6-3.

Fine’s new law seeks to challenge that to smuggle in Christian prayer into schools.

Since the Florida law does not specify prayer specifically, there is room here for a student protest (for example, Muslim prayer mats).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 2:56:35am

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Since the Florida law does not specify prayer specifically, there is room here for a student protest (for example, Muslim prayer mats).

Satanist goat sacrifice!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 3:01:17am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Satanist goat sacrifice!

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One minute x thirty students in one classroom x one hundred eighty days = 90 student/hours of education lost for each classroom in Florida, just to pander to Christians.

And of course DeSantis lied, since a) he has no idea what the Founders thought, and 2) If they wanted God or prayer in institutions, you’d think they would have mentioned it in the Constitution somewhere.

The law will get a court challenge. That will likely come either from a non-Christian religious person or an atheist.

If it turns out like the Dover trial on teaching intelligent design, where an atheist family challenged the law, the loving Christians will send along death threats and drive them out of the community like they did in Dover.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 3:06:17am

re: #80 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

If it turns out like the Dover trial on teaching intelligent design, where an atheist family challenged the law, the loving Christians will send along death threats and drive them out of the community like they did in Dover.

Blood for the Blood God

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 3:19:10am

Tony Perkins: Liberals Want to Throw Anti-LGBTQ Christians Into a Fiery Furnace (Friendly Atheist)

He hasn’t read his own book.

He’s been offering “life tips” to Christians on how to “survive” Pride Month.

I imagine most liberals don’t want anything more than Christians to keep their bigotry to themselves.

This would be the same Family Research Council guy whinging about “sexual perversion” who employed Josh Duggar.

Get off the cross, we need the wood.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 3:30:42am

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Because non-Liberals should burn in hell?

What a bunch of sick, self-pitying whiny fucks.

I think in the end they know they have lot the Culture Wars and they want to go down like brave Soldiers, fighting to the last bullet.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 3:33:08am

It’s 4:30 am at Chez Tumbleweed, and someone switched on the birds (it’s still dark outside).

That’s my cue to mosey off to bed. Today’s high will be 95°F (a cooling trend) so it seems like a good reason to be in bed anyway.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 3:35:19am

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

It’s 4:30 am at Chez Tumbleweed, and someone switched on the birds (it’s still dark outside).

That’s my cue to mosey off to bed. Today’s high will be 95°F (a cooling trend) so it seems like a good reason to be in bed anyway.

same shit here and humidity is rising

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jeffreyw  Jun 17, 2021 • 5:24:54am

Good morning!

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 5:51:06am

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

They read every report. They go through everything with a fine-toothed comb. It’s a very rigorous system, and your wife’s “side effect” of having her sense of smell restored may yet help researchers figure out something about how covid19 affects smell and could lead to solutions.

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 5:54:01am

Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) told Fox News Radio that he’s “cautiously optimistic” on passing bipartisan police reform.

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:06:40am

Id like the same recognition wrt to tax returns that ” shall” means shall..

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:09:06am

For those who need something else to worry about, Supreme Court opinions are being issued starting at 10am ET. They’ve still got about 18 cases remaining to be issued.

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darthstar  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:23:09am
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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:26:49am

re: #91 darthstar

They don’t need someone to hack it. The next grifter running things will skim from the top, skim from the bottom, and otherwise use these funds as their personal piggy bank.

The GOP are corrupt to the core, and they’ve got the worst kind of people running things for them.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:32:09am

So nice to see relatives whining about a new “N-Word” holiday…

And those remarks are being posted by brainwashed fools who endlessly BS about their “deep Xtian faith”…

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JOE 🥓  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:33:29am

Meanwhile over at Nazi TV

rawstory.com

‘I understand how you feel’: Fox News host comforts guest who calls Joe Biden a ‘dumb bastard’

Let me guess…the asshole who shot his mouth off is a “devout” Xtian…

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:33:37am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We must be vestiges of the last generation to be educated in a public school: I recall learning the Scientific Method in Science class and we had a History teacher who taught us about how to locate and use original source material, a Civics teacher who taught how government is supposed to work, and an English teacher who explained the difference between literary genres and points of view.

Those were invaluable lessons.

Considering that most of the right wing nuts around me, including those refusing to get the vaccines, are at least 45, and well into their 60s, it has nothing to do with age of schooling.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:34:26am
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JOE 🥓  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:35:38am

Trump whines American Jews ‘don’t love Israel enough’ because they didn’t vote for him

Uh no President Goldenshower. We don’t like racists like you who said that Nazis are good people.

rawstory.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:40:06am

re: #96 lawhawk

You’re opposed to this because you think the final emancipation of enslaved people shouldn’t be honored with a federal holiday? No need to wear a hood there… we see you.

They don’t like being reminded that the South Lost…even assholes from Montana

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:45:45am
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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:46:45am
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JOE 🥓  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:47:12am

PS.

El Caudillo de Mar A Lardo—We don’t like your fellow Republican Booby Nincompoopo, either!

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JOE 🥓  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:49:00am
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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:50:50am
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(((Archangel1)))  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:55:21am

I’d Photoshop them with white hoods if I were good enough at Photoshopping …

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:55:57am

They have received Sinovac:

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:56:43am
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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:59:36am
A little-known GOP candidate in one of Florida’s most competitive congressional seats was secretly recorded threatening to send “a Russian and Ukrainian hit squad” to a fellow Republican opponent to make her “disappear.”

During a 30-minute call with a conservative activist that was recorded before he became a candidate, William Braddock repeatedly warned the activist to not support GOP candidate Anna Paulina Luna in the Republican primary for a Tampa Bay-area congressional seat because he had access to assassins. The seat is being vacated by Rep. Charlie Crist (D-Fla.), who is running for governor.

Politico

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 6:59:53am

I see Pennsylvania Republicans have truly gone over the edge:

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:01:44am

re: #106 Belafon

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So republican’s favorite russian dictator is mandating vaccines.
Is tucker good with that?

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:02:12am

re: #108 Belafon

I see Pennsylvania Republicans have truly gone over the edge:

So even though these things are widely popular even post-pandemic, and restaurants are profiting from them, Republicans literally want to force businesses to return to the old way of doing things, because… oh, right, because they want to erase the fact that COVID was ever a thing, to shame anyone who thinks it was a major deal that profoundly impacted life as we know it going forward.

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darthstar  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:03:40am
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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:05:54am

re: #111 darthstar

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Is that the “SCOTUS could destroy Obamacare” case? If so, that’s really lopsided in a direction most people didn’t expect.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:06:50am

re: #111 darthstar

7-2?

I’m shocked that they didn’t uphold TexASS!

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:07:59am

re: #112 Belafon

Is that the “SCOTUS could destroy Obamacare” case? If so, that’s really lopsided in a direction most people didn’t expect.

It looks that way. I started reading the opinion; it’s 57 pages, which means the Court went to some lengths to explain why Texas is stupid. The intro said that the suit is over the “minimum required coverage” penalty and that without it, that section of the law would be unenforceable.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:09:06am

re: #108 Belafon

One nice thing about Texas is they saw the obvious business benefit to takeout drinks.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:09:17am

re: #95 Belafon

I think if you graduated before 1980 you were taught actual history, civics and science, not everything, but we at least talked about slavery and how indigenous peoples were treated by white Europeans. After that, I think much depends on where you went to school. Using just my family experience, I am the oldest of three. There are about 5 yrs between each of us. I graduated in 1978, my brother in 1983 and my sister in 1988. I got all that education and then some. When I was enrolled in high school, I got a HUGE catalog of elective classes that went toward a major or minor. The required classes dropped in number as you completed each year of school so that you could take more classes that interested you beyond what you had to have to graduate. I was a dumbass kid then and had no idea how innovative and amazing my school was. We had a full industrial arts dept with a shop, auto shop, a whole building for just the science department, all while having one of the best football teams in the state. Because the schools were funded and no one whined about it.

5 years later that was gone. My brother and sister got zero of that. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that much of this happened as more conservatives took over local school boards, mayors offices, etc.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:10:29am

re: #110 Dopamine Fish

So even though these things are widely popular even post-pandemic, and restaurants are profiting from them, Republicans literally want to force businesses to return to the old way of doing things, because… oh, right, because they want to erase the fact that COVID was ever a thing, to shame anyone who thinks it was a major deal that profoundly impacted life as we know it going forward.

Businesses like restaurants found that outdoor dining was actually quite popular, and businesses invested in outdoor dining.

What these GOPers hate is the fact that the outdoor dining often took away car parking.

And yet that’s a good thing because it got localities thinking about how street space is used and reallocating it for better purposes.

They also hate the fact that restaurants can do drinks to go, which ultimately helps state revenues and business revenues.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:11:21am

Congrats people, the Supreme Court has upheld Obamacare for the 3d time. The Court swatted aside the GOP effort to invalidate Obamacare once again.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:11:55am

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:16:24am

re: #112 Belafon

Is that the “SCOTUS could destroy Obamacare” case? If so, that’s really lopsided in a direction most people didn’t expect.

It is. The Court found lack of standing on part of Texas, other states, and a couple of individuals to bring the case.

So, they found a procedural reason to uphold the case.

GOP will try again. Count on it.

This is a win for the nearly 50% of Americans who have preexisting conditions. That includes the millions who now have ailments relating to covid19 exposures.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:18:31am

re: #120 lawhawk

It is. The Court found lack of standing on part of Texas, other states, and a couple of individuals to bring the case.

So, they found a procedural reason to uphold the case.

GOP will try again. Count on it.

This is a win for the nearly 50% of Americans who have preexisting conditions. That includes the millions who now have ailments relating to covid19 exposures.

So the Republicans are following the same playbook to weaken or undo the ACA as they did with Social Security in the 30s-50s. Attempt to weaken the law over and over again and challenge it in court.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:20:20am

re: #121 JOE 🥓

Yes. That’s exactly what they’re trying to do. They’re out to weaken it every way imaginable, despite fact that the law works, it protects those with preexisting conditions, and it has reduced costs (and slowed premium hikes). GOP efforts to sabotage will continue.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:22:04am

According to Kerry Eleven at m.dailykos.com:

Taken on its face, Manchin’s proposal preserves some of the most important parts of H.R.1 though certainly not all of them. Eliminating gerrymandering would give our democracy a fighting chance. Mandated early voting of at least 15 consecutive days including two weekends would help ensure voting is more accessible to working people nationwide. Automatic voter registration through the DMV with an opt-out option is a provision Democrats have wanted for years. Those elements in Manchin’s proposal alone would make the voting rights bill incredibly substantive and worthwhile.

Manchin’s support for requiring voter IDs isn’t ideal, but his suggestion that something akin to a utility bill could suffice makes it a more livable and achievable bar for most people. His support for allowing voter purges is even less ideal, but if the tradeoff is inclusion of something along the lines of a nationwide motor voter mandate, that’s still a net-plus.

And it could replace the state requirements that have turned into “you must prove you have given a blood sacrifice.”

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JOE 🥓  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:22:16am

And now Gosar’s sister chimes in and blasts her asshole brother.

I got a feeling somebody’s been disinvited to the next Gosar Family Thanksgiving Dinner!

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:25:59am

One thing about this Supreme Court shocker is that it illustrates that the Court, despite having an undeniable conservative bias, isn’t about to just stand American jurisprudence on its head and throw away everything to render some absolutely batshit crazy decision. I have little doubt that they will stretch to their fullest extent to accomplish objectives like overturning Roe, but they’re not stupid. Completely rewriting the legal system would destroy it utterly. They’d have no end of trouble as cases would continually come to them for reinterpretation according to their new legal doctrines.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:26:14am

re: #124 JOE 🥓

And now Gosar’s sister chimes in and blasts her asshole brother.

I got a feeling somebody’s been disinvited to the next Gosar Family Thanksgiving Dinner!

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He is the guy whose entire family capaigned against his running.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:28:00am

This is a fucked up decision: Fulton v. Philadelphia. 9-0 (lots of concurrences). Roberts wrote the majority opinion.

The refusal of Philadelphia to contract with CSS for the provision of foster care services unless CSS agrees to certify same-sex couples as foster parents violates the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.

I’d argue that this ultimately legitimizes discrimination in adoption and foster care situations, meaning that same sex couples can be discriminated against by adoption agencies or foster care agencies.

The grounds on which they legitimized this discrimination? The provision of the city’s standard foster care is not generally applicable as required by Employment Division v. Smith.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:28:29am

Note to self: Read the whole thread before posting.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:29:14am

That’s it for the day at SCOTUS. Time to digest those opinions in depth.

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:30:01am
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:42:11am

re: #124 JOE 🥓

And now Gosar’s sister chimes in and blasts her asshole brother.

I got a feeling somebody’s been disinvited to the next Gosar Family Thanksgiving Dinner!

I do believe that was the status quo before he got reelected. I recall them airing an ad that basically said don’t vote for this asshole because he’s a worthless fuck. And here it is.

6 of congressional candidate’s siblings endorse opponent

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:46:44am

JFC

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:46:54am

Go read about another black WW2 hero that was nearly erased from history: m.dailykos.com

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:51:31am

re: #132 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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Yes, but he admitted he lost. Shut it all down Republicans.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:51:44am

JFC

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mmmirele  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:54:04am

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

GOHMERT!

Gohmert Swears $5,500 ‘Donation’ to Holocaust Denier Was a Mistake (Daily Beast)

That hate-Christian is Steven Anderson, banned from entering over fifty countries because of his hate religion.

Anderson is also a sovereign citizen. He also thinks LGBT should be executed by the state, claimed President Obama should be executed, along with women who receive an abortion or doctors who perform them.

Of course, no mention of Steven Anderson is complete without his being tasered at the US-Mexico border for claiming border patrol had no authority over him.

(Starts at 2:40)

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Ok, this is the absolute ONE THING I agree with Steven Anderson on. I don’t think the Border Patrol should have checkpoints out of the immediate border area. The way the Supreme Court has interpreted it, there’s a “Constitution-free” (ACLU wording, not mine) of 100 miles from the border, and the Border Patrol has all these checkpoints. I have been so very tempted to answer in Spanish just to confuse the hell out of the Border Patrol.

These checkpoints are put in places where most of the harassment is to Hispanics and local indigenous people. The Border Patrol could set up checkpoints in Tucson, El Paso, and every city on our coasts but they don’t. So while I think Steven Anderson is fucking nuts 99 percent of the time, on this one percent I agree with him. The Border Patrol needs reining in.

(Ironically, most of Phoenix is juuuuust outside the 100 mile zone.)

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:55:05am

re: #132 The Pie Overlord!

Sounds like a coping mechanism on Trump’s part. “Yeah, I didn’t win, BUT…..

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JOE 🥓  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:57:55am

And the Catholics get a victory in the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court unanimously rules for Catholic group in Philadelphia foster-care dispute

The Supreme Court said Thursday that Philadelphia was wrong to end a contract to provide foster care services to a religious organization that refuses to work with same-sex couples.

washingtonpost.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 17, 2021 • 7:59:53am

re: #113 JOE 🥓

7-2?

I’m shocked that they didn’t uphold TexASS!

What shocked me was the 2; I had assumed it was the standard duo- Alito and Thomas. But no, it was Alito (the worst of the worst) and Gorsuch. There have been a couple times recently when Thomas has surprised me.

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:03:26am
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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:07:29am

re: #86 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:09:04am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:11:59am

re: #136 mmmirele

Ok, this is the absolute ONE THING I agree with Steven Anderson on. I don’t think the Border Patrol should have checkpoints out of the immediate border area. The way the Supreme Court has interpreted it, there’s a “Constitution-free” (ACLU wording, not mine) of 100 miles from the border, and the Border Patrol has all these checkpoints. I have been so very tempted to answer in Spanish just to confuse the hell out of the Border Patrol.

These checkpoints are put in places where most of the harassment is to Hispanics and local indigenous people. The Border Patrol could set up checkpoints in Tucson, El Paso, and every city on our coasts but they don’t. So while I think Steven Anderson is fucking nuts 99 percent of the time, on this one percent I agree with him. The Border Patrol needs reining in.

(Ironically, most of Phoenix is juuuuust outside the 100 mile zone.)

I do not feel sympathy for a fascist asshole who gets the business end of fascism.

There was a diary over at Daily Kos several years about how he travelled for many years and never complained about it, then saw sovereign citizen behaviour as a grift and suddenly started complaining about this.

I knew something was wrong, but I had no idea… (April 16, 2009)

I share this (his own abuse at the hands of police) to make it clear I’m sensitive to victims of police abuse. I think it’s important given the recent posting about the alleged abuse of Steven Anderson (being tasered by Border Patrol). Something in his story smelled wrong, so I checked the source. I had no idea how right I was.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:12:18am

The Arizona fraudit gets crazier.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:19:16am

re: #130 Dopamine Fish

In graphical format:

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Florida Panhandler  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:20:59am

re: #139 Hecuba’s daughter

What shocked me was the 2; I had assumed it was the standard duo- Alito and Thomas. But no, it was Alito (the worst of the worst) and Gorsuch. There have been a couple times recently when Thomas has surprised me.

Never underestimate the level of self-preservation in Thomas’ or any other Conservative Justice decisions. His first inclination undoubtedly is dogged Conservatism even if that means white supremacism reigns supreme. But don’t discount the possibility that someone close to him, family members perhaps, need the pre-existing conditions rules as well as federal subsidies in order to not start relying on Thomas’ own personal wealth for medical costs. Family members needing a personal bailout from his bank account are all the incentive needed to enable the sense of self-preservation and vote the “Liberal” side.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:22:16am

This might be threading the needle, but it also opens the door to more discrimination against LGBTQ+ on grounds of “religious freedom” or “free speech”.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:34:40am

The AUMF is going to get repealed.

The House passed its version this morning.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:38:28am

re: #96 lawhawk

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Seriously…what does that mean? I understand they have to tap dance around being overtly racists, but what in the actual fuck does this mean?

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:38:50am

re: #147 lawhawk

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:46:44am

re: #136 mmmirele

Gohmerta = GOP Code of Stupidity

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:52:00am

re: #136 mmmirele

(Ironically, most of Phoenix is juuuuust outside the 100 mile zone.)

The entire state of Michigan (along with Maine, Rhode Island, Connecuit, New Jersey, and Maryland) are in the Consitution-Free zone.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:52:33am

re: #152 Eric The Fruit Bat

The entire state of Michigan (along with Maine, Rhode Island, Connecuit, New Jersey, and Maryland) are in the Consitution-Free zone.

Nebraska is the only safe state.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 17, 2021 • 8:59:13am

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Nebraska is the only safe state.

CBP shows up at bus terminals as well - especially where there is a high immigrant population.

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:00:01am

re: #128 The Pie Overlord!

Note to self: Read the whole thread before posting.

story of my lgf life

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:02:00am

re: #154 Eric The Fruit Bat

CBP shows up at bus terminals as well - especially where there is a high immigrant population.

Illegal aliens are here to sponge off our social system, which is why the CBP raids workplaces…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:02:10am

Federal Workers Will Get Friday Off To Observe Juneteenth (Huffington Post)

President Joe Biden will be signing the law Thursday to officially make Juneteenth a federal holiday.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:04:34am

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Federal Workers Will Get Friday Off To Observe Juneteenth (Huffington Post)

President Joe Biden will be signing the law Thursday to officially make Juneteenth a federal holiday.

Critical Race Theory is already eroding away at the Anglo-Saxon Protestant Work Ethic that helped make America great…

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KingKenrod  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:05:26am

The Texas ACA case was the one where plaintiffs tried to invalidate the entire law because the “tax” (fine) had been reduced to $0, right?

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:05:47am

re: #159 KingKenrod

The Texas ACA case was the one where plaintiffs tried to invalidate the entire law because the “tax” (fine) had been reduced to $0, right?

Correct.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:06:43am

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

2/3 of Americans live in the 100 mile CBP exclusion zone.

Supporting for crackdowns against undocumented workers and illegal immigrants is highest in the states furthest from that exclusion zone.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:09:29am

re: #161 lawhawk

2/3 of Americans live in the 100 mile CBP exclusion zone.

Supporting for crackdowns against undocumented workers and illegal immigrants is highest in the states furthest from that exclusion zone.

I’m aware of that. I recall anecdotal stories such as the woman who owned a lake house in Minnesota who was concerned her house would be overrun by “illegals” from one of the “caravans.”

Funny how the immigration fear is not applied to the Canadian border. /s

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Mattand  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:10:29am

re: #152 Eric The Fruit Bat

The entire state of Michigan (along with Maine, Rhode Island, Connecuit, New Jersey, and Maryland) are in the Consitution-Free zone.

That puts all the big cities on the East Coast (Philly, NYC, Boston, etc.) in that zone. Lovely.

I’ve never noticed any obvious Border Patrol goons during my jaunts in and out of Philly, but I’m not the skin color they’re looking for, and I’m not gong to neighborhoods where they’d be harassing people.

It’s always in the back of my mind, though, that in theory CBP could come in my house and arrest/shoot anyone with no warrant, or reason, for that matter.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:10:46am

Well crapola. Amazon just deposited a refund into my checking account for the same amount as the back-up camera that I ordered for the RV. Looks like I am going to have to order something else instead. *sighs in exasperation*

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:14:18am
Rep. Steven Palazzo (R-MS) “is using campaign money to pay lawyers defending him in an investigation into whether he misspent campaign funds,” the Jackson Clarion-Ledger reports.

only in Republican America
(ok maybe not only)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:19:52am

re: #164 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Well crapola. Amazon just deposited a refund into my checking account for the same amount as the back-up camera that I ordered for the RV. Looks like I am going to have to order something else instead. *sighs in exasperation*

Lash a teenager to the back with cans and string. That should work.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:20:06am

re: #164 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Well crapola. Amazon just deposited a refund into my checking account for the same amount as the back-up camera that I ordered for the RV. Looks like I am going to have to order something else instead. *sighs in exasperation*

I purchased this for my Crosstour. It works very well. If you purchase the hard wire kit it isn’t quite complete in order to wire it correctly, but it can be done.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:20:24am

Trump whines American Jews ‘don’t love Israel enough’ because they didn’t vote for him

The thing about Trump is, when he gets upset he just says the things that other conservatives spend so much time building coded language for.

It’s why they love him—they want that world where they can all be that openly transactional and callous.

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:20:27am
“Every Republican has been tarred at one point or another. There are very few who were day one supporters. There’s a lot of people who like to pretend we were. It’s like pointing out a bad ex-girlfriend. We’re all married now, so it’s an uncomfortable conversation.”

— A GOP operative speaking to The Hill about Republicans who previously made critical comments about Donald Trump.

forget the asinine ‘girlfriend’ part

these people are effing cowards afraid to speak on the record
in fear of a guy who doesnt even have a microphone any more

—-
ok i’ll say it - in this case you married the ‘bad ex’ anyway.
you’re only stuck now because you refuse to leave.
Enjoy!

Click to Reveal
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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:21:26am

re: #164 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Well crapola. Amazon just deposited a refund into my checking account for the same amount as the back-up camera that I ordered for the RV. Looks like I am going to have to order something else instead. *sighs in exasperation*

Don’t Look Back

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:21:56am

re: #168 The Ghost of a Flea

Trump whines American Jews ‘don’t love Israel enough’ because they didn’t vote for him

How to “love” a country while hating its religion and people.

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dat_said  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:23:15am

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Federal Workers Will Get Friday Off To Observe Juneteenth (Huffington Post)

President Joe Biden will be signing the law Thursday to officially make Juneteenth a federal holiday.

[Embedded content]

Anyone know about USPS? Mail delivery tomorrow but not on Saturday (the 19th)?

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:24:07am

re: #172 dat_said

Anyone know about USPS? Mail delivery tomorrow but not on Saturday (the 19th)?

I’d assume it’s the same as any other observed federal holiday, in which it is not delivered on either day.

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William Lewis  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:24:43am

re: #170 Dangerman

Don’t Look Back

a new day is breakin’?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:25:53am

re: #169 Dangerman

in 2016, the general consensus was that Trump would flame out, and the other GOP candidates wanted to be in a position to pick up his supporters once he did.

But since Trump was able to paint himself as the ultimate outsider, the anti-politician, he remained immune to gaffes that would have wrecked any other politicians campaign or even career. So he never flamed out, and his base of support grew into the Trump Personality Cult which the GOP must continue to pander to and mollify in order to continue to win elections.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:26:47am

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Lash a teenager to the back with cans and string. That should work.

Thanks. Bookmarked for reference.

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:27:50am

re: #174 William Lewis

a new day is breakin’?

yup

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:27:57am

re: #172 dat_said

Anyone know about USPS? Mail delivery tomorrow but not on Saturday (the 19th)?

Nothing on their Website, but the Post Office follows the federal holiday law. I imagine that means there will be no delivery nor will their offices be open on Friday.

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:29:57am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

in 2016, the general consensus was that Trump would flame out, and the other GOP candidates wanted to be in a position to pick up his supporters once he did.

But since Trump was able to paint himself as the ultimate outsider, the anti-politician, he remained immune to gaffes that would have wrecked any other politicians campaign or even career. So he never flamed out, and his base of support grew into the Trump Personality Cult which the GOP must continue to pander to and mollify in order to continue to win elections.

from today’s electoral-vote.com (a bit more at the link)

A key upcoming test of Donald Trump’s power is his ability to clear the field in key Senate races. Trump’s previous endorsement strategy has been to endorse candidates late in the game, after it was clear that they were going to win. After all, backing losers would make him look like a loser. But waiting until it is almost over, then jumping on the winner’s bandwagon, hardly gives Trump any actual power to shape elections. If Republicans come to realize that his endorsement doesn’t actually mean very much, then his power over them will be largely gone.

As the 2022 Senate races start to take shape, Trump is going to be forced to choose between his image and his actual power. If he waits until it’s all over but the shoutin’ to endorse candidates, he will have a great image but no power. If he endorses early, he may pick some losers, which will tarnish his image. That dilemma is becoming more acute by the day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:31:42am

re: #179 Dangerman

Trump will choose image over power. He has no idea on how to hold or exert power, only how to be corrupted by it.

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:35:02am

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:36:59am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump will choose image over power. He has no idea on how to hold or exert power, only how to be corrupted by it.

once the R’s realize he doesnt have much power (he doesnt pick winners early and/or doesnt clear the field early) maybe they stop being afraid of him. then his relevancy is toast.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:38:20am

re: #182 Dangerman

once the R’s realize he doesnt have much power (he doesnt pick winners early and/or doesnt clear the field early) maybe they stop being afraid of him. then his relevancy is toast.

But what to do about his rabid cult followers?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:39:39am

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Nothing on their Website, but the Post Office follows the federal holiday law. I imagine that means there will be no delivery nor will their offices be open on Friday.

Well, I guess that means the Father’s Day card I sent my dad will get there late…

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:40:14am

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But what to do about his rabid cult followers?

If Trump doesn’t pick winners than his followers become less relevant.

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:40:53am

hmm (<—————- only rates two ‘m’s)

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ipsos  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:41:01am

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

Is the holiday actually being implemented this year, though? Seems like pretty heavy lifting to do that on one day’s notice.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:41:23am

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But they don’t love Israel.

They like what Israel, when it’s governed by someone like Netanyahu—or more ideally, someone like Kahane—can do for them. Authoritarians have solidarity with other authoritarians: chauvinists that want to constrain membership in a society have solidarity with other chauvinists even if they have different sorting terms in mind.

If Israel had bent aggressively socialist but was otherwise the same, we would not be where we are: the kinds of Christians that support Israel because of supersessionist fantasy would simply deem all Israelis the Wrong Kind of Jew; the kinds of anti-communist, neoliberal hawks that despise public ownership would not be interested in bolstering the nation but instead supporting their monarchist neighbors.

(More. Supporting the monarchist neighbors more.)

Trump just has no filter.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:41:33am

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But what to do about his rabid cult followers?

Punch them in the face. Repeatedly.

Half /

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:41:52am

re: #182 Dangerman

once the R’s realize he doesnt have much power (he doesnt pick winners early and/or doesnt clear the field early) maybe they stop being afraid of him. then his relevancy is toast.

There is still that breach of the GOP’s campaign servers in 2016. That information was never released.

I still wonder to this day why Sen. Graham went on a golf trip hating Trump, then came out of it as one of his cheerleaders.

Sen. Cruz called him a liar in the campaign, and famously refused to endorse him at the RNC in 2016. He too turned into a toady, after Trump called his wife ugly and accused his father of assassinating JFK. (Cruz had taken out billboards in Utah before the attack on his wife, painting Melania Trump as a slattern.)

One by one, Rs fell into line after he spoke with them.

Still wanna know what was on that RNC server.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:42:29am

re: #185 Belafon

If Trump doesn’t pick winners than his followers become less relevant.

They still love him, and that love does not automatically and fully carry over to the GOP. And anybody, even a Republican, who criticizes Trump too openly is dead in their eyes to the point of being subject to death threats…

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Jay C  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:42:53am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump will choose image over power. He has no idea on how to hold or exert power, only how to be corrupted by it.

IMHO, for Donald Trump, image IS power: he was able to leverage the “image” fostered by reality TV right into the US Presidency. In actuality, a second-tier real-estate mogul hamstrung by debt, taxes and legal issues, he was able to create/maintain the image of the jillionaire tycoon, whose vast wealth [illusory, but think of the audience he appeals to] enabled him to be, or at least seem to be, that “anti-politician” the prejudiced goobers had been clamoring for.
All smoke-and-mirrors vaporware, of course, but here we are in 2021…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:44:02am

re: #192 Jay C

All smoke-and-mirrors vaporware, of course, but here we are in 2021…

I do think that we have turned a corner and the New Media Reality’s ability to dictate the narrative is nowhere near as powerful as it once was

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:46:37am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:49:18am

So I’m going to my first post-pandemic comic con in a couple of weeks.

Last month they announced one of the appearing guests would be Kevin Sorbo.

I’m sure you can guess how that went over.

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:49:45am

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They still love him, and that love does not automatically and fully carry over to the GOP. And anybody, even a Republican, who criticizes Trump too openly is dead in their eyes to the point of being subject to death threats…

that’s kind of a point
no one else can just step into his position - take the chair as it were.

when the aura finally breaks, and it will, there will be a scramble to fill the vacuum but i think it’ll be fractured

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ipsos  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:52:15am

re: #196 Dangerman

that’s kind of a point
no one else can just step into his position - take the chair as it were.

when the aura finally breaks, and it will, there will be a scramble to fill the vacuum but i think it’ll be fractured

We’re seeing how that works in the post-Limblob era.

Instead of one charismatic voice who owned the noon Eastern/9 Pacific slot on all the major talk radio stations in every market, it’s now a free for all depending on who owns your local RWNJ talk outlet. If it’s iHeart, you get Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, if it’s Cumulus, you get Dan Bongino, if it’s someone else, it’s a crapshoot. And not one of those new hosts will have anywhere even close to the influence Rush had, not even in a fractional sense.

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:52:37am

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I do think that we have turned a corner and the New Media Reality’s ability to dictate the narrative is nowhere near as powerful as it once was

his lack of access to an instantaneous twitter megaphone is a big blow

no one came to see what he wrote in his blog
no one cared
even when his pronouncements were picked up as ‘news’

now he cant as easily cut off a politician (or anyone else) at the knees

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:54:54am

re: #197 ipsos

We’re seeing how that works in the post-Limblob era.

Instead of one charismatic voice who owned the noon Eastern/9 Pacific slot on all the major talk radio stations in every market, it’s now a free for all depending on who owns your local RWNJ talk outlet. If it’s iHeart, you get Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, if it’s Cumulus, you get Dan Bongino, if it’s someone else, it’s a crapshoot. And not one of those new hosts will have anywhere even close to the influence Rush had, not even in a fractional sense.

So is this our daily reminder that Rush Limbaugh is still dead?

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:57:42am

guess it was a coup

WAPO

“New documents and emails reveal how far the president and his supporters were willing to go to try to keep Donald Trump in office in a frenzied three-week stretch that tested Justice Department leaders.”

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Mike Lamb  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:59:28am

re: #179 Dangerman

from today’s electoral-vote.com (a bit more at the link)

Still operates from the premise the GOP isn’t all in on Trump. They aren’t following because of some perceived power over the party. They are ceding all authority to him because they want to—they like it.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 17, 2021 • 9:59:36am

The imagined Donald Trump that motivates his base is actually more powerful the actual Donald Trump, man reigning over a kitchen full of barrow wights at a Florida golf club he lives at because he’s that thirsty for flavorless steak and continuous narcissistic supply.

While he’s alive, Donald Trump is…embarrassing. He’s none of the stuff they project on him and every time he’s given a mike there’s a mess that someone has to clean up or curate or re-contextualize to keep the myth going. A lot of MAGA cringe is performative enthusiasm…attempting in any way to keep the feeling of superiority and license Trump instilled going…but that tells us nothing about what will happen, completely absent a Donald Trump.

It’s a coin flip what these people will do if he were gone…but I suspect what we’re going to find out is that these people will seek the next thing that meets their gratification needs, because their thing is living in a loop of outrage, prurience, and sadism that they derive enjoyment from. It’s like people quitting Flat Earth CTs and going to QAnon or accelerationism: they were never there for a real discussion of ideas, they were there for an aesthetic experience that supplants good faith examination of ideas…and the experience they want is for the world to be simple and all problems to be solvable by identifying and punishing people that are different.

They’re going to seek out the next pornographer…and there’s going to be an entire market of them because Trump has proven a market niche and now capitalism is going to happen…and while they will not end up in exactly the same place it is not their precise ideology that makes them dangerous. That they are ultimately uninterested in the rest of the world beyond a narrow band of appetites means eventually they will always hate the rest of us and always default to the same mode.

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Dangerman  Jun 17, 2021 • 10:01:22am

re: #201 Mike Lamb

Still operates from the premise the GOP isn’t all in on Trump. They aren’t following because of some perceived power over the party. They are ceding all authority to him because they want to—they like it.

it beats working.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 17, 2021 • 10:02:03am

re: #197 ipsos

We’re seeing how that works in the post-Limblob era.

Instead of one charismatic voice who owned the noon Eastern/9 Pacific slot on all the major talk radio stations in every market, it’s now a free for all depending on who owns your local RWNJ talk outlet. If it’s iHeart, you get Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, if it’s Cumulus, you get Dan Bongino, if it’s someone else, it’s a crapshoot. And not one of those new hosts will have anywhere even close to the influence Rush had, not even in a fractional sense.

…but they all coordinate and cross-pollinate their messaging.

The shitheads aren’t bold innovators in their chosen media bloc trying to dominate, they’re each hustling for a chunk of market share by doing slight variations on a predictable set of materials—the same pandering jokes, the same performative indignation—with options to sell their merch to the audience of other craven hustlers.

(CW: video contains some of the most direct and aggressive transphobia I’ve watched, directed against a conservative Youtuber that is trans but also makes content mocking and scaremongering about other trans people)

Youtube Video

I watched this last night and it’s still with me this morning, because it demonstrates how the things that should cause reactionaries to divide, to authentically debate one another or even split into separate parties…don’t do that. Because there’s an unstated thing they all share—a belief in inherent hierarchy, where their plan is just to not be at the bottom—all other beliefs just cease to be when the challenge becomes “comply or lose your position in today’s hierarchy.”

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 10:04:27am

re: #194 Dangerman

Someone mentioned in the replies that stident debt in Canada is bad, and I looked it up. The average debt in Canada is nearly that of the US.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 10:14:02am

re: #194 Dangerman

The goal of a health care system should not be to make people rich. It should be to make people well. This is obvious to every other industrialized country in the world.

One of the arguments for getting people back to work during the Pandemic was “Of course people die from Covid, but they also die from poverty!”

People do not die from poverty. They die from lack of proper nutrition, shelter and medical care because our society believes that poor people do not deserve these things…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 10:15:34am

re: #196 Dangerman

that’s kind of a point
no one else can just step into his position - take the chair as it were.

when the aura finally breaks, and it will, there will be a scramble to fill the vacuum but i think it’ll be fractured

Josh Hawley is positioning himself well as a “man of the people”, I would give him the best shot of any candidate so far.

The rest, Cruz, Rubio, Abbot, De Santis, etc are hopeless cases

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 10:16:49am

re: #202 The Ghost of a Flea

The imagined Donald Trump that motivates his base is actually more powerful the actual Donald Trump, man reigning over a kitchen full of barrow wights at a Florida golf club he lives at because he’s that thirsty for flavorless steak and continuous narcissistic supply.

Time to dig up Zombie Reagan again?

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2021 • 10:17:02am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Josh Hawley is positioning himself well as a “man of the people”, I would give him the best shot of any candidate so far.

The rest, Cruz, Rubio, Abbot, De Santis, etc are hopeless cases

Which is why he’s polling at 0% in the list of candidates for 2024.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2021 • 10:17:57am

re: #209 Belafon

Which is why he’s polling at 0% in the list of candidates for 2024.

who is polling the highest besides Trump?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 17, 2021 • 10:18:42am

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Time to dig up Zombie Reagan again?

Was he ever in the ground?

Trump is just the sequel to Reagan: vapid reality star after vapid movie star.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 17, 2021 • 10:23:18am

re: #136 mmmirele

Ok, this is the absolute ONE THING I agree with Steven Anderson on. I don’t think the Border Patrol should have checkpoints out of the immediate border area. The way the Supreme Court has interpreted it, there’s a “Constitution-free” (ACLU wording, not mine) of 100 miles from the border, and the Border Patrol has all these checkpoints. I have been so very tempted to answer in Spanish just to confuse the hell out of the Border Patrol.

These checkpoints are put in places where most of the harassment is to Hispanics and local indigenous people. The Border Patrol could set up checkpoints in Tucson, El Paso, and every city on our coasts but they don’t. So while I think Steven Anderson is fucking nuts 99 percent of the time, on this one percent I agree with him. The Border Patrol needs reining in.

(Ironically, most of Phoenix is juuuuust outside the 100 mile zone.)

I hit a Border Patrol checkpoint between Las Cruces and Alamogordo on US-70 about 5am during my trip. By the time I got to the guy on duty and stopped I am pretty sure the cameras I had passed beforehand had already processed the license plate and given him some data. He just said “Have a good morning.” and waved me through.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 17, 2021 • 10:29:12am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump will choose image over power. He has no idea on how to hold or exert power, only how to be corrupted by it.

And everything is about Trump, not the Senate candidate.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 17, 2021 • 10:34:30am

re: #202 The Ghost of a Flea

I guess the real question is whether anyone will be able to rally all the haters into their personality cult, or it will splinter among all the wannabe dictators.

None of the current GOP have the outsider status or non-political popularity status of Trump. And I expect that at least a certain percentage of the hate cult view *all* politicians with a large degree of distrust.


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