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It Starts When We Disappear · Pat Metheny

It Starts When We Disappear

℗ 2021 Metheny Group Productions, Inc. under exclusive license to BMG Rights Management (US) LLC

Organ, Piano, Synthesizer: James Francies
Drums: Marcus Gilmore
Guitar, Orchestrionics, Producer, Synthesizer: Pat Metheny
Bass Guitar: Pat Metheny
Unknown: Pete Karam
Producer: Steve Rodby
Composer: Pat Metheny

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DesertDenizen  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:22:02pm

Tarantula Hawk


From the insect discussion on the last thread. The photo doesn’t do the iridescent blues and bright oranges justice. Not my hand btw.
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retired cynic  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:22:37pm

re: #1 DesertDenizen

cute antennae

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:23:08pm
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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:25:06pm

Dear MAGAts,

Even if somehow your batshit delusions weren’t batshit delusions and it was true that Trump really won, and it was proven in court, it would change nothing. GWB wasn’t removed when it was proven Gore won Florida. Democrats didn’t expect HRC to be put in if we proved Russian collusion. What would happen is, nothing unless Congress impeaches both Biden and Harris, giving us….

President Nancy Pelosi.

So unless you actually got the military on your side to try another coup, sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

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DesertDenizen  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:25:54pm

Duplicate post

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:27:00pm

re: #5 DesertDenizen

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From the insect discussion on the last thread. The photo doesn’t do the iridescent blues and bright oranges justice. Not my hand btw.

CAZADORS! Kill them with… an Anti-Materiel Rifle.

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DesertDenizen  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:28:38pm

re: #4 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

They somehow think huge numbers of Democratic Representatives will defect and become Republicans, then select TFG as Speaker. That results in him being president again after Impeachment. The idiots also thing removal voids all acts signed by Biden, for some fucking reason.

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DesertDenizen  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:29:45pm

re: #6 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

They’re totally docile, unless you’re a tarantula. The guy who created the insect pain scale rates them among the worst five, but you really need to try to get stung.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:32:28pm

I can’t imagine the emotions that go with recovered objects from the collapsed condominiums. Respect to those who are doing this for the families. Linked.

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teleskiguy  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:32:47pm
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A Mom Anon  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:34:57pm

re: #1 DesertDenizen

They are beautiful, but I still don’t want one landing anywhere near me, lol.

We have red wasps here, with black wings, that are mean little bastards. They’ll hang outside the door if you manage to escape them, just waiting for you to come outside. We had a nest inside a post light on our back deck, I put my hand on it, going down the stairs and got stung on my hands and head. Once I got in the house, made sure the stingers were removed, and applied ice and After Bite, I looked outside and the fuckers were CRAWLING ON THE BACK DOOR trying to get into the house. We have French doors with big glass panels, I could see them crawling and swarming all over the place. That’s fucked up, lol.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:36:06pm

re: #8 DesertDenizen

They’re totally docile, unless you’re a tarantula. The guy who created the insect pain scale rates them among the worst five, but you really need to try to get stung.

There are giant mutant versions of these in Fallout New Vegas called Cazadors and they are terrifying and a guaranteed death if you run into them at lower levels and can’t shoot them out of the sky before they get to you.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:38:04pm

So, inspecting the condiments shelf on my fridge door I encounter some mayo with a use by date of JUL2121
Do I have another 100 years to use it?

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plansbandc  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:41:49pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

That’s an impressive shelf life.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:41:55pm

re: #12 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

There are giant mutant versions of these in Fallout New Vegas called Cazadors and they are terrifying and a guaranteed death if you run into them at lower levels and can’t shoot them out of the sky before they get to you.

I love how Cazadors and Deathclaws are situated on the map to herd you towards the early plot developments while technically not imposing your freedom of movement.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:42:34pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

So, inspecting the condiments shelf on my fridge door I encounter some mayo with a use by date of JUL2121
Do I have another 100 years to use it?

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teleskiguy  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:43:19pm

Instagram

“All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them.”
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#SpreadTelemark #FreeHeelLife #Ski #Telemark #Explore #Outdoors #WildWest #ProtectorsOfTheTurn

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:44:08pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

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I’m pretty sure mine are mostly out of reach. Like going to Mars and shit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:48:27pm

Nothing like cooking Benzene into your flesh

“… Four Neutrogena products and one Aveeno product were recalled by the company because it found low levels of benzene in product samples.

Those products include Neutrogena Beach Defense aerosol sunscreen, Neutrogena Cool Dry Sport aerosol sunscreen, Neutrogena Invisible Daily defense aerosol sunscreen, Neutrogena Ultra Sheer aerosol sunscreen and Aveeno Protect + Refresh aerosol sunscreen. …”

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:50:41pm

As an adult I realized if I hadn’t been discouraged from some of my loftier dreams, they would have been crushed anyway regardless.

NASA isn’t a place for people with anxiety issues and mild-claustrophobia.

Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, just extremely realistic about my limitations.

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teleskiguy  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:51:36pm

re: #18 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

I’m pretty sure mine are mostly out of reach. Like going to Mars and shit.

Yeah, quote’s hokey. I just really liked the picture.

My dream? Skiing in Bamyan Valley in Afghanistan. Out of reach? Not necessarily. That’s a tough nut to crack, though.

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immigrant  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:52:55pm

re: #19 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Heh!

When I was in the UK equivalent of high school, I used benzene to *wash my hands* in chemistry class.

50 years later, erm, no obvious problems.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:53:07pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:56:32pm

re: #1 DesertDenizen

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From the insect discussion on the last thread. The photo doesn’t do the iridescent blues and bright oranges justice. Not my hand btw.

KILL IT! KILL IT!!

Wait, sorry, Fallout PTSD kicked in there for a sec.

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DesertDenizen  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:58:22pm

I haven’t played Fallout since the original. But I did play it’s spiritual predecessor, Wasteland.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 14, 2021 • 8:58:39pm

re: #23 Dread Pirate Ron

Wasn’t it Tucker and Laura who were the most prominent covid disinformation voices? I don’t recall reading anything about Hannity and his views on this topic at all.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:08:39pm

re: #15 The Ghost of a Flea

I love how Cazadors and Deathclaws are situated on the map to herd you towards the early plot developments while technically not imposing your freedom of movement.

TVTropes has a term for such situations: “beef gate.” The idea in sandbox RPGs is that you can technically go anywhere you want right from the very start, it’s just that the creators would prefer you go a specific route and so throw up high level encounters as a way to discourage you from sequence breaking.

Not that that stops everybody, as a plethora of videos on Youtube can attest to.

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William Lewis  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:16:00pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

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Well, I have had two come true of late - getting my Leica system and reuniting with my Once and Future GF. Probably the best one left would be to win a lotto and travel all over together in a serious RV/home taking as many different landscapes as I can.

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retired cynic  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:17:10pm

re: #28 William Lewis

I think a lot of us (whether we play the lotto or not) have winning it tucked into those wishes somewhere! I know I do.

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William Lewis  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:18:05pm

re: #29 retired cynic

I think a lot of us (whether we play the lotto or not) have winning it tucked into those wishes somewhere! I know I do.

I play it about once a month. That way I’m not wasting much money.

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danarchy  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:19:08pm

re: #26 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t it Tucker and Laura who were the most prominent covid disinformation voices? I don’t recall reading anything about Hannity and his views on this topic at all.

Yeah, pretty sure Hannity has been pro vaccine all along, and kissing Trumps ass for how quickly it was developed.

He was also a big hydroxychloroquine cheerleader last year, so his hands aren’t exactly clean.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:29:55pm

re: #4 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

Dear MAGAts,

Even if somehow your batshit delusions weren’t batshit delusions and it was true that Trump really won, and it was proven in court, it would change nothing. GWB wasn’t removed when it was proven Gore won Florida. Democrats didn’t expect HRC to be put in if we proved Russian collusion. What would happen is, nothing unless Congress impeaches both Biden and Harris, giving us….

President Nancy Pelosi.

So unless you actually got the military on your side to try another coup, sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

There’s really three groups at work here pushing this BS: Repubs who see a way back to power in convincing enough voters to skip the next two elections by telling them that Biden is “illegitimate” because of widespread fraud, the grifters who see an opportunity to make a whole lot of money by running a constant string of “audits” and “lawsuits” that have no real hope of going anywhere but serve as awesome money-making opportunities, and then the legions of rubes who the first two are robbing blind as they’re kept in a state of constant rage and blind hope.

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Egregious Philbin  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:40:13pm

re: #12 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

Cazadors…damn…tough bastards…I love all the Fallout, but never did the online one, because…I’m not into being fragged by a 12 year old from Moldova.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:43:20pm

From four threads back (I’m slow):

re: #94 aatharuv

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If they really wanted to stick to their guns about Covid-safety they (and the other cruise companies) would have told Ron De Santis to fuck himself, and not go to any Florida ports. This is a second best approach.

Any chance the feds can force any cruise ships docking at US ports and then travelling internationally to require vaccinations for any people entering or leaving the cruise ships (except in presumably some very very exceptional cases).?

The feds only have authority over US-flagged vessels. Unless the port is specifically a federal port (US Navy), state or local rules apply.

Because all the cruise lines use flags-of-convenience (conveniently horrible on labour standards and maritime inspection standards), the feds can’t do anything to them.

However, as soon as the ship leaves the area of the local port authority, the ship’s company rules or master’s rules apply. The master is the absolute god of a ship when it is at sea (hence wingnut lady in that video whinging about being locked in her room will get thrown out of any court she tries to file a suit in—more likely it was empty threats but a lawyer would be glad to take her money to advise her she is an idiot).

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sagehen  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:45:01pm

re: #20 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

As an adult I realized if I hadn’t been discouraged from some of my loftier dreams, they would have been crushed anyway regardless.

NASA isn’t a place for people with anxiety issues and mild-claustrophobia.

Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, just extremely realistic about my limitations.

President Josiah “Jed” Bartlet : I’m just saying that it could be worse. I could have been an astronaut.

Abbey Bartlet : You could not have been an astronaut.

President Josiah “Jed” Bartlet : I’d have been a great astronaut!

Abbey Bartlet : You’re afraid of heights, speed, fire and small places!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:46:39pm

My wife and I ducked into a Scottsbluff restaurant while we were in town this afternoon.

Chain restaurant here in wingnuttia with this sign up in the lot by US-26: Cooks $20/hr Waiters $15/hour, two-weeks paid vacation, health insurance, other benefits, full-time.

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DesertDenizen  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:48:28pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Someone who gets it. Our big local restaurateur is so close to understanding but just can’t quite make the leap to paying people well.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:51:30pm

After days of seeing various excerpts from Michael Wolff’s new book, I just wanna say that if any of what has been released comes as a shock to you, then you must have spent the past four years in a coma.

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sagehen  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:52:20pm

re: #21 teleskiguy

Yeah, quote’s hokey. I just really liked the picture.

My dream? Skiing in Bamyan Valley in Afghanistan. Out of reach? Not necessarily. That’s a tough nut to crack, though.

I wanted to fly fighter jets.

The guy at the recruiting office told me that while there would eventually be women in that speciality, possibly even soon enough that I’d still be within the age limits… but there was no way in hell they would ever ever EVER take someone who wears glasses. Totally out of the question.

Then he tried to talk me into enlisting if they could put me in aircraft maintenance/mechanic training. Because sometimes the pilots will take the mechanics up….

I decided not to join the military, and took flight training in a cute little Cessna. It’s not as expensive as you might think.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:55:34pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

My wife and I ducked into a Scottsbluff restaurant while we were in town this afternoon.

Chain restaurant here in wingnuttia with this sign up in the lot by US-26: Cooks $20/hr Waiters $15/hour, two-weeks paid vacation, health insurance, other benefits, full-time.

And probably already getting “advice” from customers that all of that will drive away business because they’ll have no choice but to raise prices and anybody they hire will not be worth a damn because they’ll just show up to collect a paycheck while sitting on their ass.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 9:57:07pm

re: #37 DesertDenizen

Someone who gets it. Our big local restaurateur is so close to understanding but just can’t quite make the leap to paying people well.

We still eat indoors (primarily because there are no outdoor restaurants here, and that would really suck in the winter), but always go in during the off-hours when no one else is there.

I also checked a lotto ticket while I was there, and I won.

Click to Reveal

$3 and three free tickets

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:00:13pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

And probably already getting “advice” from customers that all of that will drive away business because they’ll have no choice but to raise prices and anybody they hire will not be worth a damn because they’ll just show up to collect a paycheck while sitting on their ass.

Or whinging from other restaurant owners saying they are taking away the other restaurant owners’ trained staff by actually paying a decent wage for this area and offering benefits.

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DesertDenizen  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:00:55pm

re: #42 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Or whinging from other restaurant owners saying they are taking away the other restaurant owners’ trained staff by actually paying a decent wage for this area and offering benefits.

You mean, capitalistic competition?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:03:12pm

re: #26 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t it Tucker and Laura who were the most prominent covid disinformation voices? I don’t recall reading anything about Hannity and his views on this topic at all.

Still, at the end Hannity had to throw in a conservalie, because otherwise he would not be Hannity. His last line “still, this country is going to mandate vaccinations?”

The country isn’t doing that and has no authority to (that is a state or local thing, and they aren’t doing it either). It does play well with the “jack-booted thugs are going to kick in your doors, force you to get a vaccine, take your Bibles and guns, and turn all your children geyh” crowd though.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:04:22pm

re: #43 DesertDenizen

You mean, capitalistic competition?

“Business owner applies capitalist principles to business, film at eleven.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:05:51pm

re: #39 sagehen

I wanted to fly fighter jets.

The guy at the recruiting office told me that while there would eventually be women in that speciality, possibly even soon enough that I’d still be within the age limits… but there was no way in hell they would ever ever EVER take someone who wears glasses. Totally out of the question.

Then he tried to talk me into enlisting if they could put me in aircraft maintenance/mechanic training. Because sometimes the pilots will take the mechanics up….

I decided not to join the military, and took flight training in a cute little Cessna. It’s not as expensive as you might think.

[whine] I have a lifetime ban from flying any aircraft due to epilepsy. [/whine]

I’m not even allowed to fix ‘em.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:07:20pm

re: #42 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Or whinging from other restaurant owners saying they are taking away the other restaurant owners’ trained staff by actually paying a decent wage for this area and offering benefits.

Nah, they’ll stick to the usual assumption: That restaurant will go under because it’s pricing itself “out of the market,” driving customers away with higher prices and/or smaller portions. Some will even tell themselves that such wages/benefits will only attract lower-quality workers, leading to dissatisfied customers which will hasten the location’s demise.

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sagehen  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:08:13pm

re: #46 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

[whine] I have a lifetime ban from flying any aircraft due to epilepsy. [/whine]

I’m not even allowed to fix ‘em.

I bet they’d let you fly with a certified instructor in the other seat, ready to grab the controls if need be.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:09:18pm

So we’ve established you’re fine with genocide, you’re only negotiating the numbers.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:17:23pm

re: #39 sagehen

I wanted to fly fighter jets.

The guy at the recruiting office told me that while there would eventually be women in that speciality, possibly even soon enough that I’d still be within the age limits… but there was no way in hell they would ever ever EVER take someone who wears glasses. Totally out of the question.

Then he tried to talk me into enlisting if they could put me in aircraft maintenance/mechanic training. Because sometimes the pilots will take the mechanics up….

I decided not to join the military, and took flight training in a cute little Cessna. It’s not as expensive as you might think.

45 years ago I thought it might be fun to learn to fly a small plane. My brother was also interested — so we both took a sample flight with a pilot who made his living training civilians. That was enough to make me realize that this was not really a dream of mine; my brother, however, signed up for the course, got his license, and ended up co-owning a small plane with a friend who was a professional pilot for a major airline. But that is an not a cheap hobby and, after my brother married, he eventually sold his share in the plane and let his license lapse.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:17:56pm

re: #48 sagehen

I bet they’d let you fly with a certified instructor in the other seat, ready to grab the controls if need be.

Nope.

Unexplained syncope, single seizure. An applicant who has a history of epilepsy, a disturbance of consciousness without satisfactory medical explanation of the cause, or a transient loss of control of nervous system function(s) without satisfactory medical explanation of the cause must be denied [my emphasis] or deferred by the Examiner. Rolandic seizures may be eligible for certification if the applicant is seizure free for 4 years and has a normal EEG. Consultation with FAA required.

** Infrequently, the FAA has granted an Authorization under the special issuance section of part 67 14 CFR 67.401 when a seizure disorder was present in childhood but the individual has been seizure-free for a number of years. Factors that would be considered in determining eligibility in such cases would be age at onset, nature and frequency of seizures, precipitating causes, and duration of stability without medication. Followup evaluations are usually necessary to confirm continued stability of an individual’s condition if an Authorization is granted under the special issuance section of part 67 14 CFR 67.401.

Benign rolandic seizures are a childhood detection of centrotemporal seizure waveforms in children which do not cause a physical seizure (hence benign). Children normally outgrow them by thirteen, no later than eighteen.

A “single syncope” is one seizure, which is never repeated, and has no explanation.

I do not have normal EEGs even now.

faa.gov

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:19:24pm

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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So we’ve established you’re fine with genocide, you’re only negotiating the numbers.

They’re playing the same odds are millions of like-minded morons have around the globe:

- Only a small fraction of people who catch the virus will have symptoms
- Of those, only a smaller fraction will have severe symptoms
- Of those, only a smaller fraction will need to be ventilated
- And of those, only a very small fraction will end up dying

The way they figure it is they’re fit, healthy, and have fought off “worse” in their lives, so there’s no need to take precautions because the only people who catch this virus and croak are lesser being who can’t deal with “the flu.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:19:52pm

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I have an Abby Normal brain. /s (ripping off “Young Frankenstein”)

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Teukka  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:22:43pm

re: #23 Dread Pirate Ron

I have a hunch that Hannity has caught a whiff of the writing of the wall of the situation when it dawns on people how much harm walking petri dishes (Q’s, antivaxxer, CoViD “skeptics” etc.) have done, and continue to do. Just a hunch…

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:30:59pm

I see an opening for a Thundarr the Barbarian remake.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:34:25pm

re: #54 Teukka

I have a hunch that Hannity has caught a whiff of the writing of the wall of the situation when it dawns on people how much harm walking petri dishes (Q’s, antivaxxer, CoViD “skeptics” etc.) have done, and continue to do. Just a hunch…

Dawns on who? Everyone who isn’t already in the death cult knows this. Those who are will never accept it.

I don’t see a mass “awakening” of Americans that’s going to lead to a new golden age of listening to scientists and shunning idiots anytime soon.

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Teukka  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:36:32pm

re: #56 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

Dawns on who? Everyone who isn’t already in the death cult knows this. Those who are will never accept it.

I don’t see a mass “awakening” of Americans that’s going to lead to a new golden age of listening to scientists and shunning idiots anytime soon.

There might be a few death cultists. But they’re gonna be mighty mad…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:39:05pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:49:05pm

re: #58 Dread Pirate Ron

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Basically, the very scenario that a lot of people warned about last year came true: Vaccines became available, people began letting down their guard, and a variant of the virus that is capable of eating through the vaccines came about. Thankfully the worst case scenario that the new variant renders the vaccines totally useless hasn’t happened…yet.

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Teukka  Jul 14, 2021 • 10:58:33pm

re: #58 Dread Pirate Ron

Yep. And even when vaxxed, don’t break the protocol:
😷 Wear a mask.
🧼 Remember your hand hygiene.
↔️ Remember social distancing.
🌡 If you feel ill, especially a respiratory issue, stay the 🤬 at home.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 11:00:57pm

Catching up, now two threads back

re: #10 DesertDenizen

I didn’t realize police officers were a protected class under Federal or State law.

Utah defines a hate crime as civil rights violation of any person, with the goal of intimidation or terrorising. This includes property damage of another person.

If the sign did not belong to the teen, then the charge whilst egregious (and you know you won’t see it applied to a Black Lives Matter protestor’s sign in Utah), can be prosecuted under this statute.

76-3-203.3. Penalty for hate crimes — Civil rights violation. (Utah Legislature, the law was passed on May 12, 2020)

Utah defines a police officer as a protected class. Many states run by conservatives do.

76-3-203.14. Victim targeting penalty enhancement — Penalties. (May 14, 2019, Utah Legislature, Police are section [r])

That said, the ACLU has denounced it.

ACLU denounces hate crime charge over ‘Back the Blue’ sign damage (Salt Lake Tribune, July 13, 2020)

The American Civil Liberties Union of Utah said Monday that a southern Utah prosecutor’s decision to charge a 19-year-old with a hate crime for allegedly damaging a “Back the Blue” sign sends a message that the government will more harshly punish people who disagree with law enforcement.

The misdemeanor charge stems from a July 7 traffic stop in Panguitch, when Deputy Cree Carter pulled over a car that was suspected of speeding, according to a probable cause statement.

After the stop, Carter said a 19-year-old woman, who was traveling with the group, allegedly stomped on a “Back the Blue” sign, crumpled it “in a destructive manner” and threw it away, “all the while smirking in an intimidating manner towards [the officer].”

Carter didn’t believe the woman’s story about how she got the sign, and thought she had taken it from someone in the county.

The woman was booked into jail on allegations of criminal mischief and disorderly conduct. The criminal mischief charge was enhanced to a class A misdemeanor because Garfield County prosecutors filed it as a hate crime. She has since been bailed out of jail.

(more)

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 14, 2021 • 11:01:46pm

re: #55 Belafon

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I see an opening for a Thundarr the Barbarian remake.

And with today’s VFX technology, it could be a live-action Thundarr the Barbarian flick.

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Teukka  Jul 14, 2021 • 11:01:57pm

So, this comment caught my eye in the “Cruise ship Karen” twitter thread… Would “Bioterrorist” as a blanket term be too harsh for Q’s, antivaxxers, Covid “skeptics” et al?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 11:06:21pm

re: #63 Teukka

So, this comment caught my eye in the “Cruise ship Karen” twitter thread… Would “Bioterrorist” as a blanket term be too harsh for Q’s, antivaxxers, Covid “skeptics” et al?

I’d go with “enemy combatant” myself.

As far as bioterrorism goes, US law only applies to food, as noted at Customs and Border Protection’s page here.

cbp.gov

The law that applies would depend on which country in which the ship is flagged.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 11:10:24pm

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’d go with “enemy combatant” myself.

As far as bioterrorism goes, US law only applies to food, as noted at Customs and Border Protection’s page here.

cbp.gov

The law that applies would depend on which country in which the ship is flagged.

After all, they think the virus was engineered by China as a weapon? Then if they are spreading a weapon amongst the populace, they must be enemy combatants.

They love Guantanamo so much for enemy combatants, I’m sure we can find some room for them there. (To be clear, I think Guantanamo’s prison is a travesty, but hey, they want the place.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 11:21:40pm

Bush lied us into a war with a nation which had done us no harm, and left New Orleans without aid for weeks after Hurricane Katrina.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 11:26:08pm

re: #66 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Romney called for dismantling FEMA entirely as Hurricane Sandy was bearing down on the northeast, saying states are best situated to decide where and who to aid.

His presidential campaign did make a $90,000 donation to New York for Sandy relief, which the campaign did not politicise and only came out after Federal Election Commission filings were reviewed (that is a legal donation).

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2021 • 11:31:06pm

re: #63 Teukka

So, this comment caught my eye in the “Cruise ship Karen” twitter thread… Would “Bioterrorist” as a blanket term be too harsh for Q’s, antivaxxers, Covid “skeptics” et al?

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I think my favorite bit is the “I don’t feel sick, so how can they say I’ve got COVID?!”, having no doubt assured herself more than once in the past 16+ months that the statistics showing most people will never show symptoms means it’s “harmless.”

And what’s the “I’M GONNA GET TESTED THREE TIMES!!!” business really about other than setting herself up to be embarrassed later? Either she pops positive on one or more of the tests and thus loses her status as a “victim.” Or all three turn up negative, only for a lawyer to tell her that she has no legal recourse because Royal Caribbean required a waiver as part of the on-boarding process that blocks all legal avenues for compensation.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 11:37:55pm

re: #66 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Senator John McCain voted “no” for Hurricane Sandy relief, after previously voting for relief for Arizona floods.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 11:41:15pm

Two threads ago:

re: #23 Hecuba’s daughter

Unfortunately the mindless Trump cult doesn’t care; they think Biden has dementia and that demon Socialists are controlling and ruining everything. In response to a FB post that showed Truman’s attack on Republicans of his time, one just responded with: “Harry Truman would roll over in his grave over what the Democratic Socialists are promoting today”.

Harry Truman tried to nationalise the steel industry, arguing it was in the interest of national defence.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 11:49:31pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 14, 2021 • 11:56:21pm

re: #38 DesertDenizen

How do you evacuate all the minorities and liberals before the Neo-Confederates slaughter them? There’s a lot of good people trapped down there.

The same for people like me a whole lot of blue-staters want to abandon to “Jesusland.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 15, 2021 • 12:00:33am

Sorry Rebecca, gotta disagree with you on this.

The minute the leaders of the military “decide” that, on their own, without the courts, decide that someone is trying to incite a coup, and do something about it (what, arrest him?), you no longer have a democracy, you have a military dictatorship.

Generals, admirals, colonels, captains, one by one resigning would get a whole lot more attention, particularly from the media to every person in the USA. That would also deny the would-be autocrat of a competent leadership to impose a military dictatorship.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Jul 15, 2021 • 12:12:24am

re: #39 sagehen

I wanted to fly fighter jets.

The guy at the recruiting office told me that while there would eventually be women in that speciality, possibly even soon enough that I’d still be within the age limits… but there was no way in hell they would ever ever EVER take someone who wears glasses. Totally out of the question.

Then he tried to talk me into enlisting if they could put me in aircraft maintenance/mechanic training. Because sometimes the pilots will take the mechanics up….

I decided not to join the military, and took flight training in a cute little Cessna. It’s not as expensive as you might think.

This was basically me. I wanted to fly jets and then try to be an astronaut. I was trying to get a path into the Air Force Academy. I knew a Congress member at the time. I planned on trying to get a science or engineering degree along the way.

Problem is, I had like… 20/600 vision. (I eventually got LASIK in 2012 when I was 38). I came to terms with that when I was about 14 or 15. I didn’t even really consider or recognize the massive anxiety issues I had either. There was no way in hell I was going to join the military if I couldn’t fly. So I went with plan B, I wanted to go into studying physics or astronomy. Literally everyone I knew or was related to discouraged me from this because “there’s no money in that you might as well major in art.” (Thanks fuckers)

So I tried an engineering route, but it was just too much for me at 18-20 with all the crap going on in my life. Ended up working rando bullshit jobs until I got into ISP tech support. Eventually went back to college for CS.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 15, 2021 • 12:19:16am

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 15, 2021 • 12:22:12am

re: #56 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

Dawns on who? Everyone who isn’t already in the death cult knows this. Those who are will never accept it.

I don’t see a mass “awakening” of Americans that’s going to lead to a new golden age of listening to scientists and shunning idiots anytime soon.

Perhaps if someone launches another Sputnik 1 over our nation? /s

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Jul 15, 2021 • 12:31:31am

re: #73 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Sorry Rebecca, gotta disagree with you on this.

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The minute the leaders of the military “decide” that, on their own, without the courts, decide that someone is trying to incite a coup, and do something about it (what, arrest him?), you no longer have a democracy, you have a military dictatorship.

Generals, admirals, colonels, captains, one by one resigning would get a whole lot more attention, particularly from the media to every person in the USA. That would also deny the would-be autocrat of a competent leadership to impose a military dictatorship.

There’s a fuckton of idiots responding to the tweet claiming the exact opposite. Obviously not seeing that the second the military gets involved in that, it means the leadership of this country serves at the pleasure of the military and not the people.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jul 15, 2021 • 12:38:58am

re: #77 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

My opinion is that if the generals had any discussions about what they could do to nudge the tide of events in the direction of no coup — beyond resigning — we’re never going to know about it. Anything more would probably be illegal, and would risk a perceived military dictatorship, as Mouse et al noted. (That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t do something more drastic, if necessary, just that they’d make sure it would never be known.)

And with that, it’s time for me to toddle off to bed.

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Targetpractice  Jul 15, 2021 • 12:43:13am

The third course between resignation and banana republic is (IMHO) the most appropriate: Refuse to follow orders they consider unlawful and force Trump to do something about it. He could order their resignation, but they could refuse. He could demand they be court-martialed, but that would require an investigation into whether or not the orders given were lawful. And ordering the SecDef to have them removed would just shine a huge fuckin’ spotlight on the whole matter.

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sagehen  Jul 15, 2021 • 12:44:32am

re: #66 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Bush lied us into a war with a nation which had done us no harm, and left New Orleans without aid for weeks after Hurricane Katrina.

His negligence re: New Orleans (and Mississippi) was incompetence rather than deliberate malice. Iraq might have been also — I think he got rolled by Cheney.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 15, 2021 • 12:58:05am

re: #80 sagehen

His negligence re: New Orleans (and Mississippi) was incompetence rather than deliberate malice. Iraq might have been also — I think he got rolled by Cheney.

Bush appointed Brown as the head of FEMA from the International Arabian Horse Association. Prior to that, he’d failed one election campaign as a Republican, badly.

His education is in law, not emergency management. He entered FEMA as a lawyer, not an emergency manager, the very first person hired for the new administration by Joe Allbaugh, Bush’s campaign manager.

He then moved up the ranks of FEMA in emergency management positions, repeatedly nominated by Bush, including the National Disaster Medical System, with no knowledge of medicine.

Nope, that’s on Bush. He repeatedly failed upward a sycophant, not an expert. Brown failed as FEMA director because he never should have been in any of the positions he was appointed to except the first, General Counsel for FEMA.

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sagehen  Jul 15, 2021 • 12:58:47am

re: #78 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

My opinion is that if the generals had any discussions about what they could do to nudge the tide of events in the direction of no coup — beyond resigning — we’re never going to know about it. Anything more would probably be illegal, and would risk a perceived military dictatorship, as Mouse et al noted. (That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t do something more drastic, if necessary, just that they’d make sure it would never be known.)

And with that, it’s time for me to toddle off to bed.

That op-ed signed by all 10 living former SecDefs, of both parties? That didn’t happen spontaneously. Somebody or somebodies at the Pentagon made phone calls.

washingtonpost.com

Opinion: All 10 living former defense secretaries: Involving the military in election disputes would cross into dangerous territory

Our elections have occurred. Recounts and audits have been conducted. Appropriate challenges have been addressed by the courts. Governors have certified the results. And the electoral college has voted. The time for questioning the results has passed; the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the Constitution and statute, has arrived.

As senior Defense Department leaders have noted, “there’s no role for the U.S. military in determining the outcome of a U.S. election.” Efforts to involve the U.S. armed forces in resolving election disputes would take us into dangerous, unlawful and unconstitutional territory. Civilian and military officials who direct or carry out such measures would be accountable, including potentially facing criminal penalties, for the grave consequences of their actions on our republic.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 15, 2021 • 1:10:11am

re: #77 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

There’s a fuckton of idiots responding to the tweet claiming the exact opposite. Obviously not seeing that the second the military gets involved in that, it means the leadership of this country serves at the pleasure of the military and not the people.

Make the USA Turkey!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 1:12:15am

re: #31 danarchy

Yeah, pretty sure Hannity has been pro vaccine all along, and kissing Trumps ass for how quickly it was developed.

He was also a big hydroxychloroquine cheerleader last year, so his hands aren’t exactly clean.

If hydroxychloroquine had turned out to be the least bit clinically effective, Trump would still not only be President, he would be praised as Medical Genius Avatar and Savior of the Western World.

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Targetpractice  Jul 15, 2021 • 1:12:45am

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Make the USA Turkey!

Reminding us that authoritarianism is not limited to one end of the spectrum, that people who otherwise would be against such regimes might support them if they espouse the “right” philosophy.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jul 15, 2021 • 1:31:37am
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 15, 2021 • 1:31:49am

“Yes, I’m being followed by a moon wobble,
moon wobble, moon wobble…”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jul 15, 2021 • 1:39:06am
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John Hughes  Jul 15, 2021 • 2:15:25am

re: #33 Egregious Philbin

I love all the Fallout, but never did the online one, because…I’m not into being fragged by a 12 year old from Moldova.

you’re more likely to get a care package from a 60 year old from Belgium.

(FO76 players are famously friendly — Bethesda were apparently shocked that every body took the “rebuild America” plotline to heart).

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ericblair  Jul 15, 2021 • 2:57:37am

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 15, 2021 • 3:27:58am

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Pastorale - Test Card Classic



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Patricia Kayden  Jul 15, 2021 • 3:28:59am

re: #32 Targetpractice

How would skipping the next two elections be a way back to power? Or perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you wrote.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jul 15, 2021 • 3:36:21am

Forget ManBearPig
A BearDogCat has been found

Incredible Red Puppy Somehow Resembles Both A Dog And Cat #Shorts #Short

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 4:27:43am

re: #92 Patricia Kayden

How would skipping the next two elections be a way back to power? Or perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you wrote.

Trump implied at one point that he deserved a third term to make for all the interference and obstruction he was subjected to during his first term…

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 15, 2021 • 4:41:06am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

😂 Okay. Thanks. Trump is so ridiculous that he makes little sense to normal people.

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Axolotl  Jul 15, 2021 • 4:51:24am

re: #79 Targetpractice

The third course between resignation and banana republic is (IMHO) the most appropriate: Refuse to follow orders they consider unlawful and force Trump to do something about it. He could order their resignation, but they could refuse. He could demand they be court-martialed, but that would require an investigation into whether or not the orders given were lawful. And ordering the SecDef to have them removed would just shine a huge fuckin’ spotlight on the whole matter.

Since when has that spotlight stopped him?

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Targetpractice  Jul 15, 2021 • 4:52:53am

re: #92 Patricia Kayden

How would skipping the next two elections be a way back to power? Or perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you wrote.

What I meant is the usual voter suppression via convincing voters to stay home because all the “fraud” means that elections are “rigged.”

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Dave In Austin  Jul 15, 2021 • 4:54:43am
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Dave In Austin  Jul 15, 2021 • 5:16:08am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 15, 2021 • 5:16:25am

re: #98 Dave In Austin

I have a funny feeling their “family tree” looks more like this…..

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Targetpractice  Jul 15, 2021 • 5:20:22am

re: #99 Dave In Austin

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Just saw this and I’ll admit that I’m a might skeptical. But only because of the “too good to be true” nature of such a document.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 15, 2021 • 5:38:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 5:40:56am

re: #102 Dave In Austin

What would you do?

Lower the tray and then close it, clamping her hair in it.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 15, 2021 • 5:41:25am

re: #87 Barefoot Grin

“Yes, I’m being followed by a moon wobble,
moon wobble, moon wobble…”

“Oh, look, it’s Space: 1999!”
///

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 15, 2021 • 5:42:33am

It’s a notably bad movie, so much so that it would be a classic if it wasn’t so dripping with evangelicalism:

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jeffreyw  Jul 15, 2021 • 5:43:48am

Good morning!

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 5:58:11am

re: #73 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Sorry Rebecca, gotta disagree with you on this.

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The minute the leaders of the military “decide” that, on their own, without the courts, decide that someone is trying to incite a coup, and do something about it (what, arrest him?), you no longer have a democracy, you have a military dictatorship.

Generals, admirals, colonels, captains, one by one resigning would get a whole lot more attention, particularly from the media to every person in the USA. That would also deny the would-be autocrat of a competent leadership to impose a military dictatorship.

About the only thing I would disagree with in your analysis is that someone like Trump doesn’t need competent military leadership, just some that are willing to violate the rule of not using troops inside the country.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jul 15, 2021 • 5:58:18am

Someone is gonna lose a crap load of money

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:01:34am

re: #108 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Italy bans big cruise ships from sailing into Venice after years of rallying cries from residents and environmentalists.

ships like that have no business docking in Venice. they can dock elsewhere and ferry the guests over in ships whose size better fits the harbor and scenery

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Dave In Austin  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:02:22am
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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:04:39am

In the last picture, it looks like she’s not as practiced in thumbs up as he is:

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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:06:22am
Said Cheney: “That fucking guy Jim Jordan. That son of a bitch…. While these maniacs are going through the place, I’m standing in the aisle and he said, ‘We need to get the ladies away from the aisle. Let me help you.’ I smacked his hand away and told him, ‘Get away from me. You fucking did this.’”
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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:07:47am

With absolutely zero evidence….

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:08:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:10:52am

re: #113 Dangerman

In South Texas, we’re seeing COVID positivity rates rising and it’s a direct result of illegal aliens being released into communities.

Covid is harmless and/or a hoax until you can blame it on illegals…

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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:11:00am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump implied at one point that he deserved a third term to make for all the interference and obstruction he was subjected to during his first term…

So then Obama could start again too. Sweet.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:11:58am

re: #114 Belafon

I have a bad feeling that the Tokyo Olympics is gonna be an absolute shitshow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:12:29am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

I have a bad feeling that the Tokyo Olympics is gonna be an absolute shitshow.

I have no intention to pay the least attention to it

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:14:13am

I too will remain skeptical of the Guardian leaked document. Yes, it accords with the general operations we’ve discovered like creating fake BLM FB pages, etc. It’s just that I was guilty of buying into disinformation in 2016 and 2017 and this seems similar; and also, in terms of US social fracturing, we’ve been on these separate paths in America for a long time. Hell, the role played by our own media in setting up and exploiting divisions for stories and profits likely dwarfs whatever Russian spy services did (not they the two aren’t interconnected in minor ways).

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:18:31am
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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:18:40am

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Covid is harmless and/or a hoax until and you can blame it on illegals…

;-)

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:18:58am
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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:20:38am

re: #113 Dangerman

Someone posted a tweet reply yesterday that pointed out that infection rates are higher in Amarillo than the San Marcos.

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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:33:41am

re: #120 Belafon

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forgetting for a moment those who won’t vax (yet)

in so many places we were at mile 22 of a 26.2 mile race.
and then big groups of people said ‘enough’. i’ve had it.
as if the virus cares.

they have this mentality when it gets really uncomfortable that something is wrong.
It’s not, in fact, wrong. It’s just discomfort. If that. It’s just an inconvenient mask.

Couple that with the tendency to immediately assume things always get worse (or won’t get ‘better’). They dont.

There was no “need” to just give up. We were so close. just a bit longer.
Certainly circumstances and projections were iffy at best.
But everyone said why cant this be enough?
and many health authorities caved to the pressure. (wtf is wrong with tennessee?)

They just wanted to forget it all - to be ‘at ease’. back to ‘normal’*
but we were still 4 miles from the end.

while, once again, the virus doesnt GAF what you want and it moved the finish line.

*there is no going back.
you will probably never go out and not see some people wearing masks.
asians have been masking for years.
that old normal is gone
like so many other ‘normal’s the Rs want to ‘get back to’: pre civil rights, equal rights, lgbtq+, abortion…

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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:36:18am

armadillo
got ‘em
last night around 9:30 as we were pulling in

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JOE 🥓  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:40:56am

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:42:17am

re: #125 Dangerman

armadillo
got ‘em
last night around 9:30 as we were pulling in

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They’re alive where you are? /

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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:50:44am

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:54:11am
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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:56:47am
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JOE 🥓  Jul 15, 2021 • 6:57:47am

re: #87 Barefoot Grin

“Yes, I’m being followed by a moon wobble,
moon wobble, moon wobble…”

Gerry Anderson’s Space:1999 Opening Titles (Season 1)

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No Malarkey!  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:02:06am

Is it paranoid of me to worry that this is a planted fake to discredit reports of Russian assistance to Trump? I guess we’ll see if it’s debunked or not.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:04:18am

re: #121 Dangerman

;-)

Doublethink

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:04:58am

re: #132 No Malarkey!

Is it paranoid of me to worry that this is a planted fake to discredit reports of Russian assistance to Trump? I guess we’ll see if it’s debunked or not.

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I’m about 60/40 in favor of it being real, because it’s not like we haven’t come up with similar plans for other countries. As for it meaning much, that’s a different story.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:05:10am

re: #98 Dave In Austin

The Munsters were not racists.

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:06:32am

re: #102 Dave In Austin

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Talk about the bag of scissors you have and how thankful you are someone is giving you the ability to use them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:22:02am
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Dave In Austin  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:22:58am

re: #134 Belafon

I’m about 60/40 in favor of it being real, because it’s not like we haven’t come up with similar plans for other countries. As for it meaning much, that’s a different story.

I need more meat on the bone on this one.

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b_sharp  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:28:58am

re: #39 sagehen

I wanted to fly fighter jets.

The guy at the recruiting office told me that while there would eventually be women in that speciality, possibly even soon enough that I’d still be within the age limits… but there was no way in hell they would ever ever EVER take someone who wears glasses. Totally out of the question.

Then he tried to talk me into enlisting if they could put me in aircraft maintenance/mechanic training. Because sometimes the pilots will take the mechanics up….

I decided not to join the military, and took flight training in a cute little Cessna. It’s not as expensive as you might think.

I wanted to fly fighter jets too. When I needed glasses at 14 I realized that wasn’t going to happen.

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dharmamark  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:32:21am

re: #139 b_sharp

I wanted to fly jets too. That was until I realized that math would be involved…

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No Malarkey!  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:33:23am

re: #137 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Imagine if the Right hadn’t formed an unholy alliance with the anti-vaccers and everyone had gotten vaccinated. A lot of people are dying needlessly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:35:31am

re: #141 No Malarkey!

Imagine if the Right hadn’t formed an unholy alliance with the anti-vaccers and everyone had gotten vaccinated. A lot of people are dying needlessly.

I talked about the anti-science, anti-big government Right intersecting over vaccinations with the anti-western medicine, anti-big pharma left and how it could lead to a lethally critical mass of stupid. Seems that it already has.

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Teukka  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:36:03am

re: #141 No Malarkey!

Imagine if the Right hadn’t formed an unholy alliance with the anti-vaccers and everyone had gotten vaccinated. A lot of people are dying needlessly.

Any chance of making it a thing of pushing for justice and accountability for that?

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Dave In Austin  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:39:02am
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b_sharp  Jul 15, 2021 • 7:47:31am

re: #102 Dave In Austin

Make a big deal about smelling the hair and then basically replay the restaurant scene in Blues Brothers.

“How much for the woman?”
“I want to buy your woman”
“How much”

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b_sharp  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:00:52am

re: #125 Dangerman

armadillo
got ‘em
last night around 9:30 as we were pulling in

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Queen Padme Armadillo?

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:02:28am

re: #106 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:03:57am

re: #137 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

We’re now one month since restrictions were lifted and sure enough we have a bump in cases:

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:06:50am

re: #55 Belafon

Ooohhh…a Thundarr the Barbarian LARP sounds fun…except I want to be able to stop LARPing instead of it being y’know, the actual world.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:11:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:15:53am

re: #150 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

nobody in the GOP had any problem with Chinese-made MAGA hats or Ivanka’s Chinese-made fashion articles

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JOE 🥓  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:16:17am

re: #150 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:16:40am

re: #119 Barefoot Grin

I too will remain skeptical of the Guardian leaked document. Yes, it accords with the general operations we’ve discovered like creating fake BLM FB pages, etc. It’s just that I was guilty of buying into disinformation in 2016 and 2017 and this seems similar; and also, in terms of US social fracturing, we’ve been on these separate paths in America for a long time. Hell, the role played by our own media in setting up and exploiting divisions for stories and profits likely dwarfs whatever Russian spy services did (not they the two aren’t interconnected in minor ways).

I have little trouble believing that Putin would approve something like that. But write the plan down and sign off on it? Very hard to believe. (There are morons everywhere, so not impossible. But…)

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:19:44am

re: #150 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

You’re free to be monitored by the Chinese government.

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Teukka  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:19:55am

re: #153 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

I have little trouble believing that Putin would approve something like that. But write the plan down and sign off on it? Very hard to believe. (There are morons everywhere, so not impossible. But…)

I had trouble believing that they have become increasingly moronic until I heard of the Skripal case, where they discovered that all the passports of GRU operatives come from the same series (same 5-6 first digits), home addresses are the same, as is the location where the passport was issued (which is only used for the purpose of giving GRU ops papers).
So why wouldn’t they write it down and put it on a secure system, really? Not /S.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:22:07am

re: #154 Belafon

You’re free to be monitored by the Chinese government.

You’re also free to be monitored by each and every fly by night app you download from the uncensored app store

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:24:01am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

You’re also free to be monitored by each and every fly by night app you download from the uncensored app store

and every step you take on your Fit Bit

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:24:49am

re: #120 Belafon

Cases are skyrocketing — but not yet deaths. It is possible that, thanks to the vaccine, this is a significantly milder form of the disease. Let’s see what happens, but we may end up with a version that is more in line with the “cold” varieties of coronavirus — a nuisance but not dangerous, as long as you are vaccinated.

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:28:02am

re: #158 Hecuba’s daughter

Cases are skyrocketing — but not yet deaths. It is possible that, thanks to the vaccine, this is a significantly milder form of the disease. Let’s see what happens, but we may end up with a version that is more in line with the “cold” varieties of coronavirus — a nuisance but not dangerous, as long as you are vaccinated.

Seeing reports that the delta variant is making unvaccinated people sicker than previous versions of the virus. It’s just that with so many vaccinated it’s not as deadly overall.

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retired cynic  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:28:19am

We Should Be Cautious With This Kremlin-Trump Documents Leak
The Kremlin doesn’t leak, at least not without a purpose. Or is this just a leak from Western intelligence? Charlie Pierce
esquire.com

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:29:32am

re: #136 Belafon

Talk about the bag of scissors you have and how thankful you are someone is giving you the ability to use them.

Request a coke for the in-flight drink and spill it on her hair.

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retired cynic  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:34:31am

re: #161 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Request a coke for the in-flight drink and spill it on her hair.

Why not ask the steward for help?

Start braiding his hair? (grin)

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:34:33am

re: #161 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Request a coke for the in-flight drink and spill it on her hair.

“Flight attendant, do you have any honey? My mom taught me that it was the best thing to use when braiding hair.”

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:34:39am

re: #161 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Request a coke for the in-flight drink and spill it on her hair.

Ask myself, “what would Joe do?” and then lean forward and inhale deeply and audibly through my nose.

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JOE 🥓  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:35:12am

re: #144 Dave In Austin

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:36:42am

America needs help:

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:38:57am

This is interesting, though. I hadn’t heard of this Russian politician being poisoned after openly stating on Russian TV that they have kompromat on Trump. I’m not sure what evidence there is for the poisoning, though.

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plansbandc  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:39:11am

re: #147 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Pretty!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:39:32am

America needs serious help:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:39:51am

re: #166 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

American needs help:

He really has a menacing undertone to everything he says and a completely demonic smile

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JOE 🥓  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:40:23am

re: #166 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

American needs help:

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:40:40am

re: #155 Teukka

I had trouble believing that they have become increasingly moronic until I heard of the Skripal case, where they discovered that all the passports of GRU operatives come from the same series (same 5-6 first digits), home addresses are the same, as is the location where the passport was issued (which is only used for the purpose of giving GRU ops papers).
So why wouldn’t they write it down and put it on a secure system, really? Not /S.

I love the history of espionage, but what it teaches me is that most of the time the players are never as competent as they present themselves to be…and ironically the players on different sides do actually have one point of shared interest, which is to present their work as profoundly important to national interest (pay no attention to what companies or individuals benefit, say the Dulles Brothers; pay no attention to the state within a state, says the KGB).

John Le Carre was one of my favorite writers throughout my childhood, and late in life he suddenly started speaking openly about his own experiences as a spy and how most of it was futile and foolish. Even the big wins are often seat-of-the-pants improvisations, and the big losses aren’t because of genius spycraft but because of basic credulity when faced with someone you think you know. There’s a lot of sunk cost fallacy in espionage, keying off some of the early decisions to bring in fascist spymasters (Galen, Skorzeny) to fight the Cold War…only to find out there was less than meets the eye.

That the Russians could plan something, partially succeed because there’s an existing entity in the US that wants the same thing, and the plan still be not that great and ended up leaked is all possible. It’s also…not that surprising a plan. It’s very similar to the disruptions they did in Georgia, and tried in France. It’s their new asymmetric conflict model.

Thing is…and this is where I’ve always stood on this…what the Russians are doing isn’t really differentiable from what local billionaires are doing, and the latter have put in decades of work to create the durable reactionary culture that the Russians are only able to catalyze a bit. To solve the Russia problem, solve the problem of billionaires individuals and institutions having no accountability on the international landscape.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:41:51am

re: #167 Barefoot Grin

This is interesting, though. I hadn’t heard of this Russian politician being poisoned after openly stating on Russian TV that they have kompromat on Trump. I’m not sure what evidence there is for the poisoning, though.

Nikita Olegovich Isaev (Russian: Никита Олегович Исаев; 12 November 1978 - 16 November 2019)[1] was a Russian politician, journalist, and anti-corruption and environmental activist.

Before his death, Isaev was the former head of the New Russia movement and was appointed as an adviser for regional development by Sergei Mironov. In 2019, he died on a train from Tambov to Moscow. The official cause of death was a heart attack.[2][3] In 2021, a joint-investigation by Der Spiegel, Bellingcat and The Insider linked the Federal Security Service (FSB) unit that allegedly poisoned the opposition leader Alexei Navalny to Isaev’s death, saying that FSB agents had followed him since December 2018.[4][5] The investigation noted that Isaev was loyal to the Kremlin and was known to have fraught relationship with the FSB, which makes it difficult to identify a possible motive for him to be killed by the FSB. However, they noted that Isaev traveled abroad frequently, and had purchased flight tickets for a family trip to Miami on 5 December 2019 (three weeks after his death). The investigators therefore consider the possibility that the FSB may have suspected that Isaev was about to defect.

(Sounds pretty inconclusive) en.wikipedia.org

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:42:31am

re: #160 retired cynic

We Should Be Cautious With This Kremlin-Trump Documents Leak
The Kremlin doesn’t leak, at least not without a purpose. Or is this just a leak from Western intelligence? Charlie Pierce
esquire.com

The Republican Party has made it clear that it’s onboard with Putin — Trump has nothing but praise for him. The GOP senators celebrated July 4 in Moscow in 2018. Trump supporters prefer Russians to Democrats. Trump openly solicited their help during the campaign.

Do you really think his base cares about this?

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:44:57am

re: #155 Teukka

I had trouble believing that they have become increasingly moronic until I heard of the Skripal case, where they discovered that all the passports of GRU operatives come from the same series (same 5-6 first digits), home addresses are the same, as is the location where the passport was issued (which is only used for the purpose of giving GRU ops papers).
So why wouldn’t they write it down and put it on a secure system, really? Not /S.

The passport fiasco is a lapse in planning — they failed to take into account that someone might look at a group of passports. Creating an election interference document, printing it out and sining off on it is a failure of an entirely different order. (But as I said, anything can happen. This just doesn’t look that likely to me.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:45:09am

re: #174 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump supporters prefer Russians to Democrats.

Russia is authoritarian, oligarchic, homophobic, xenophobic, militaristic and theocratic.

In other words, their very dream of America Made Great Again, save that their theocracy would be based on Fundamentalist Protestantism rather than Orthodox Catholicism.

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JOE 🥓  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:45:47am

re: #174 Hecuba’s daughter

The Republican Party has made it clear that it’s onboard with Putin — Trump has nothing but praise for him. The GOP senators celebrated July 4 in Moscow in 2018. Trump supporters prefer Russians to Democrats. Trump openly solicited their help during the campaign.

Do you really think his base cares about this?

If you ask my Xtian relatives about Putin they will reply that Putin is a defender of the Xtian faith.

Especially the Xtian faith of White People!

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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:47:41am

re: #137 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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an odd thing hit me as i was reading this chart

stages. structure. levels.
this required thought, analysis, definition, review, etc.

we sometimes forget there are sorts of infrastructure in place to deal with disasters and public health.

natural - fires, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods etc
medical - epidemics, pandemics, contagious outbreaks etc

nationwide, state, county, maybe city

they’ve all got some kinds of systems
set up to help, mitigate, contain, extinguish, protect life and property, etc

sure, some was stronger in the past because we know some fed programs were dismantled deliberately.

as citizens, we assume they are designed, reviewed, approved of by people who more or less know what they’re doing. fema, fire, police, *medical*

and we assume they are addressing the constant pull between macro and micro. saving/ protecting as many and as much, while still having an eye for individual difficulties, suffering, needs, etc. even, gasp, rights.

but there are still municipal mechanisms - actual structures - that exist to deal with these things…

if the police close a flooded road and you cant get to your house, that’s not infringing on your ‘rights’.
People who could not get into the still standing side of Surfside to get their stuff were not constitutionally being deprived of their property.

There are greater concerns.

the anti-vaxx, anti-mask, back to normal now! people are basically saying these systems dont exist, or they dont know what they’re doing and i’m substituting my own better ‘judgment’.

because i want what i want and i dont care what it does to anyone else.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:47:42am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Russia is authoritarian, oligarchic, homophobic, xenophobic, militaristic and theocratic.

In other words, their very dream of America Made Great Again, save that their theocracy would be based on Fundamentalist Protestantism rather than Orthodox Catholicism.

To nitpick, not Catholic, just Orthodox.

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Teukka  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:47:48am

re: #175 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

The passport fiasco is a lapse in planning — they failed to take into account that someone might look at a group of passports. Creating an election interference document, printing it out and sining off on it is a failure of an entirely different order. (But as I said, anything can happen. This just doesn’t look that likely to me.)

I don’t take the leak as Gospel. But I wouldn’t put it past the security agencies involved to have grave lapses of judgment on a continual basis…

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:50:25am

re: #166 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

America needs help:

If Satan took a human form, he could not look more demonic than Ken Copeland.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:50:58am

re: #169 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

America needs serious help:

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Unrepentant here.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:51:32am

re: #169 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

America needs serious help:

God, please infect me with Covid!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:51:41am

Well, there are three stages left in the Tour de France, but the race is virtually over. Slovenian Tadej Pogačar (riding for UAE Team Emirates) has essentially cemented a repeat of his Tour victory(s) last year. His General & Young Rider classification leads are practically insurmountable (5 minute & 45 seconds to the nearest rider), his lead in the Mountain classification can not caught as there not enough points remaining to be earned in the final stages. All he really needs to do is finish with the pack in Paris Sunday

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JOE 🥓  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:52:54am

re: #183 No Malarkey!

God, please infect me with Covid!

There are deluded Xtians who want to get infected and die so they can be with de Lawd!

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:56:17am

re: #181 The Pie Overlord!

I’m an atheist, but seeing Copeland…it makes me believe that demons, at least, are real.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:57:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:58:53am

re: #186 Sufficient unto the day…

I’m an atheist, but seeing Copeland…it makes me believe that demons, at least, are real.

He is the very physical incarnation of sociopathy. You can already see what a leering, manipulative, cynical bastard he is in his cold, shriveled heart.

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sagehen  Jul 15, 2021 • 8:59:40am

re: #120 Belafon

There was 462 murders in NYC last year. 30,000 people died of COVID in that same period in NYC.

462 murders in a year sounds like a lot for people with short calendars. But let’s remember NYS’s murder counts in some previous years (85% of which were in NYC):

1988 — 2244
1989 — 2245
1990 — 2605
1991 — 2571
1992 — 2397
1993 — 2420

This provides some context for why the 1994 crime bill seemed like a good idea at the time.

The murder rate has dropped every year since the mid-90’s.

Some blame the crack epidemic, which peaked in the early 90’s. Others blame leaded gasoline, use of which was sharply reduced in the mid-70’s (motherjones.com)

So Nevin dove in further, digging up detailed data on lead emissions and crime rates to see if the similarity of the curves was as good as it seemed. It turned out to be even better: In a 2000 paper (PDF) he concluded that if you add a lag time of 23 years, lead emissions from automobiles explain 90 percent of the variation in violent crime in America. Toddlers who ingested high levels of lead in the ’40s and ’50s really were more likely to become violent criminals in the ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s.

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:00:35am

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Businesses are urgently spending money to prevent people from dealing with climate change.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:01:00am

This was not a state secret.

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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:01:14am

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

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it’s a big and complex problem. most people dont understand what it is and what’s involved to have any effect at all.

most of the powers that be around the world figure it’s way earlier than it is and the next shift can (easily) take care of it

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:01:27am

That flooding is not far from here, about about 75 miles northwest.

We are sheltered in our little side valley, but the Rhine is already running at flood stage, about 6 feet above average.

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Belafon  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:03:12am

re: #189 sagehen

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462 murders in a year sounds like a lot for people with short calendars. But let’s remember NYS’s murder counts in some previous years (80% of which were in NYC):

1988 — 2244
1989 — 2245
1990 — 2605
1991 — 2571
1992 — 2397
1993 — 2420

This provides some context for why the 1994 crime bill seemed like a good idea at the time.

The murder rate has dropped every year since the mid-90’s.

Some blame the crack epidemic, which peaked in the early 90’s. Others blame leaded gasoline, use of which was sharply reduced in the mid-70’s (motherjones.com)

I’ve got to go dig up some data on what types of crime have gone up. Someone on facebook put up that Biden’s call for cities to spend extra covid money on law enforcement was to counter his earlier call to “defund the police” (someone else pointed out that he never liked that phrase). I would be interested in knowing if everything has gone up or just murders, which would be tied to gun availability.

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teleskiguy  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:04:06am

I’m not surprised there were 20,000 more overdose deaths last year than in 2019, a rather sharp increase. Deaths from despair in America have been steadily climbing for a long time. 20,000 something odd people kill themselves with guns every year and nobody bats an eye. Public health administrators have been sounding the alarm about suicides in the inner mountain west for years, to no avail, it seems.

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teleskiguy  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:04:48am

re: #186 Sufficient unto the day…

I’m an atheist, and I believe there is such a thing as good and evil.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:07:17am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think you’re giving reactionaries too much credit, because…reactionaries don’t actually know very much about Russia beyond the imagery put out by its regime, and they don’t try to know very much about Russia beyond oligarch porn. They aren’t, say, interested in the crippling depression, the unemployment, the alcoholism, the Soviet single-factory towns that are ravaged by addiction and preventable disease.

Basically…their engagement is with the idea of a “strong man”…but I think it’s really important to note how shallow that engagement is.

They’re not interested in the real thing—autocracy, fundamentalism, etc—they’re are interested in these things to the exact extent they imagine that they will have power over others. They’re incapable of imagining themselves as being on the down side of Russia’s system just as they’re incapable of imagining themselves as being on the down side of America’s system. It’s why they love Trump…because he has hollowed out the already-flimsy values of the reactionary movement and excreted horniness and sadism into the resulting cavity. Russia is the fantasy of bigger Trumpism…dirtier money, a cheaper demimonde filled with more desperate women and men, more opportunity to just hurt people and get away with it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:07:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:13:42am
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darthstar  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:16:21am

The former guy is coup coup.

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darthstar  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:19:54am

The gall of McCarthy going to kiss Trump’s ring the same day he dines with the President and Angela Merkel…what a POS.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:24:56am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Milley “choked like a dog.” Doesn’t he know any other descriptives?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:28:21am

re: #202 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Milley “choked like a dog.” Doesn’t he know any other descriptives?

all his greatest hits…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:28:47am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:28:51am

re: #202 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Milley “choked like a dog.” Doesn’t he know any other descriptives?

His preoccupation with “…like a dog” has always struck me as unintentionally telling.

It tells you what he thinks of love and loyalty, that they’re submission and therefore to be viewed with contempt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:36:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:39:13am

re: #197 The Ghost of a Flea

It is all about the image that they project onto people and places: Putin is the manly man-leader who rides bareback, bare-chested, wrestling bears.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:40:24am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:42:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:43:17am
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darthstar  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:43:26am
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Teukka  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:45:17am

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

As I’ve pointed out to various rightoids on chats etc. over the years:
“Can you, if needed, provide proof that you were merely memeing or shitposting, and not serious?”

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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:49:17am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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i have no kids
i am all for this.
i am also good with part of my r/e taxes paying for public schools

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DesertDenizen  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:53:29am

re: #213 Dangerman

My wife and I do not and will not have kids. I’m happy paying for education. It benefits me if the next generation of doctors, engineers, and citizens in general are well educated rather than ignorant savages. I’m happy buying civilization.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:55:20am

Back from the Doc. Booster shots are not recommended at THIS time. So no jab today.

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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 9:58:14am
What began as “vaccine hesitancy” has morphed into outright vaccine hostility, as conservatives increasingly attack the White House’s coronavirus message, mischaracterize its vaccination campaign and, more and more, vow to skip the shots altogether, the Washington Post reports.

“The notion that the vaccine drive is pointless or harmful — or perhaps even a government plot — is increasingly an article of faith among supporters of former president Donald Trump, on a par with assertions that the last election was stolen and the assault on the U.S. Capitol was overblown.”

it’s all politics

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retired cynic  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:00:08am

re: #166 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

American needs help:

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You know darn good and well they dressed that fool up and sat him on the horse for the closeup. They didn’t even disguise it well. Just chopped off his head when the horse is moving!

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:03:14am

re: #150 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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It’s what China is known for, freedom and open communication.

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jaunte  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:17:07am
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jaunte  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:17:41am
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jaunte  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:18:25am
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sagehen  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:19:22am

re: #214 DesertDenizen

My wife and I do not and will not have kids. I’m happy paying for education. It benefits me if the next generation of doctors, engineers, and citizens in general are well educated rather than ignorant savages. I’m happy buying civilization.

Not even doctors and engineers. How about the aides who’ll be taking care of you when you’re in the nursing home someday?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:21:52am

re: #159 Belafon

Seeing reports that the delta variant is making unvaccinated people sicker than previous versions of the virus. It’s just that with so many vaccinated it’s not as deadly overall.

I really wonder why we haven’t as yet experienced the huge uptick in cases experienced in the UK. Is it that their version of Delta is more aggressive or that their vaccine is not as effective or only that we are a couple weeks behind them in cases or that they do more testing? So many possibilities — will have to wait a couple weeks to see which of these possibilities plays out. A higher portion of the UK population is vaccinated than here.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:21:56am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:22:22am

re: #166 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

America needs help:

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Kenneth is 85. I wonder who that is on the horse when it gallops up?

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darthstar  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:22:32am

One of my high school friends scored a last minute Whitney hiking pass (they’re limited and only available via lottery) from one of his buddies (he lives in Oregon) and he drove down last night and made the walk this morning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:25:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:27:14am

jeebus

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:27:19am

re: #220 jaunte

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What took so long?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:28:58am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Your life is fucking over.”

Yep, sounds pretty ambiguous to me.

////

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DesertDenizen  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:29:18am

re: #222 sagehen

Not even doctors and engineers. How about the aides who’ll be taking care of you when you’re in the nursing home someday?

How about the average voter? Society is better off with critical thinking.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:30:30am
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Jay C  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:32:16am

re: #226 darthstar

One of my high school friends scored a last minute Whitney hiking pass (they’re limited and only available via lottery) from one of his buddies (he lives in Oregon) and he drove down last night and made the walk this morning.

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I’ve been there!
SIgned the book and everything: though I would guess that that ancient tome (1976) has long since been replaced.
Though I do remember it as being a bit more than just a “walk” - yeah, you can make it to the summit on your feet without ropes required, but I recall it as being definitely a schlep…
One friend with us had to give up partway up and go back down due to breath issues (though it did prod her to quit smoking): she went into town and got a bumper sticker that said “I Almost Climbed Mount Whitney” - and, last I heard, still had and treasured it….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:35:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:36:01am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:36:10am

Iron Maiden just dropped a new song - and a video. Maybe they’ve got a new album forthcoming.

Iron Maiden – The Writing On The Wall (Official Video)

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jaunte  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:37:10am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

Time to name them.

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garzooma  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:38:22am

re: #224 Charles Johnson

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An agent of the Kremlin texted Don Jr. saying that they supported Trump. What does any of this add?

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b.d. (Cough Louder Conservatives!)  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:38:54am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

If you want to get tough on the ant-vaccer’s then quit calling their lies “misinformation”

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:40:17am

re: #232 Charles Johnson

This is a malignant narcissist who has lied his way though life, and in his old age is trying to lie his way through each conversation as his worldview inevitably collapses. He can’t shape a reality where he’s still President with his bullshit, so he’s screwed. It’s just a matter of time.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:41:06am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

Psaki: There’s about 12 people who are producing 65% of anti-vaccine misinformation on social media platforms. All of them remain active on Facebook despite some being banned on other platforms including ones that Facebook owns

And most of the others are probably just regurgitating what they’ve heard from these 12 people.

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Dangerman  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:41:29am

re: #240 Punish Domestic Terrorists

This is a malignant narcissist who has lied his way though life, and in his old age is trying to lie his way through each conversation as his worldview inevitably collapses. He can’t shape a reality where he’s still President with his bullshit, so he’s screwed. It’s just a matter of time.

Wait till August 32nd, you’ll see.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 15, 2021 • 10:59:26am

re: #236 Dr Lizardo

Iron Maiden just dropped a new song - and a video. Maybe they’ve got a new album forthcoming.

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Video

Video has a real “Heavy Metal” movie vibe.


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