Some More News: Who to “Blame” for Afghanistan

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I’m beginning to think Cody Johnston is secretly (or not so secretly) trying to reverse the damage the Internet has done to everyone’s ability to pay attention for more than a few minutes (or seconds, in extreme cases) with these lengthy explorations of complex subjects.

If you stick with it, you’ll almost certainly learn something, though. So take your medicine, it’s good for you. And it’s pretty funny too.

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00:00 - Intro
1:52 - Afghanistan: Where To Begin?
10:15 - Afghanistan: Who Do We Blame?
29:14 - Afghanistan: Let’s Blame George W. Bush.
36:58 - Afghanistan: Why did we stay?
46:18 - Afghanistan: Who Isn’t To Blame?

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1
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:10:12am

Do they care about the Afghanis or even the American military personnel?

No, just about blaming Biden.

2
Unabogie  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:13:42am

Call me crazy but I don’t see how you blame the guy who ended the war for the war.

3
Dangerman  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:14:46am

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Do they care about the Afghanis or even the American military personnel?

No, just about blaming Biden.

Fwiw TIL
Afghani is the currency
Afghan is the people

(I know. Fight ensues)

4
Dangerman  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:15:09am

re: #2 Unabogie

Call me crazy but I don’t see how you blame the guy who ended the war for the war.

Because the rubes buy it

5
Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:15:54am

re: #2 Unabogie

Call me crazy but I don’t see how you blame the guy who ended the war for the war.

It wasn’t uplifting enough. Needed more Michael Bay.

6
Dangerman  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:16:51am
7
Jay C  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:19:24am

re: #2 Unabogie

Call me crazy but I don’t see how you blame the guy who ended the war for the war.

Apparently, If you’re a Republican, it’s quite easy.

All that’s needed is a flag, a yellow ribbon, a picture of the Twin Towers, and an extraordinarily selective memory….

8
Dangerman  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:21:16am

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:21:22am

re: #2 Unabogie

Call me crazy but I don’t see how you blame the guy who ended the war for the war.

The narrative now is that the war was a “mistake,” but there was some magical way it could have been ended that would have seen us get every single American, foreign national, and Afghan national that wished to leave out of the country safely without either committing to an extension of the war or getting more American soldiers killed. And that Biden deserves all the blame and should resign for not achieving that ending.

10
Rightwingconspirator  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:21:38am

This is interesting. I was pretty sure something like this had to be going on.

(CNN)The US military negotiated a secret arrangement with the Taliban that resulted in Taliban members escorting groups of Americans to the gates of the Kabul airport as they sought to escape Afghanistan, according to two defense officials.

One of the officials also revealed that US special operations forces set up a “secret gate” at the airport and established “call centers” to guide Americans through the evacuation process.

The officials said Americans were notified to gather at pre-set “muster points” close to the airport where the Taliban would gather the Americans, check their credentials and take them a short distance to a gate manned by American forces who were standing by to let them inside amid huge crowds of Afghans seeking to flee. amp.cnn.com

Taliban members escorted Americans to gates at Kabul airport in secret arrangement with US
By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent

11
wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:22:33am

re: #6 Dangerman

Apparently, you DO need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Sorry, Bob.

12
Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:26:16am
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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:28:03am

Also, when you hear the “liberal media” or their GQP patrons bitching about Afghan nationals or Americans “left behind,” it helps to remember that the former got roundly screwed by the Trump admin deliberately sabotaging efforts to get them visas in order to leave the country, while many of the latter waited until the last fucking second to leave for various reasons (ex: “didn’t think it would get that bad,” “thought the deadline would be extended,” “wanted to be on last plane out,” etc).

14
Dangerman  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:28:17am

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

This is interesting. I was pretty sure something like this had to be going on.

Taliban members escorted Americans to gates at Kabul airport in secret arrangement with US, while simultaneously some Americans start eating horse paste

By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent (1/2)

What a year 2021 is

15
Eventual Carrion  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:30:40am

Las Vegas reporter talking to a feed store employee sited by crooksandliars

“I had a gentleman come in, and he was an older gentleman. He told me that his wife wanted him to be on the Ivermectin plan. I immediately brought him over here, because at that time I had this sign hung up, and I told him this isn’t safe for you to take. And he says, ‘Well, we’ve been taking it and my only side effect is I can’t see in the morning.’ That’s a big side effect, so you probably shouldn’t take it,” said Smith.

JFC

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:34:37am

re: #15 Eventual Carrion

Las Vegas reporter talking to a feed store employee sited by crooksandliars

JFC

Maybe they’re hoping it will work on the brain worms.

17
ericblair  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:35:27am

The older I get, the more familiar history looks.

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Dangerman  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:36:05am

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“The Dead Cat Space”


Here’s an index of all the postings in #thegreatpoolpondconversion

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sagehen  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:36:23am

re: #9 Targetpractice

The narrative now is that the war was a “mistake,” but there was some magical way it could have been ended that would have seen us get every single American, foreign national, and Afghan national that wished to leave out of the country safely without either committing to an extension of the war or getting more American soldiers killed. And that Biden deserves all the blame and should resign for not achieving that ending.

13 American soldiers died, doing an evacuation that saved 122,000 civilians.
That’s approximately 1 American soldier dead for every 10,000 civilians saved.

How many of those 13 Americans would have called that an acceptable trade?

20
stpaulbear  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:37:09am

Crooked Media’s weekly Pod Save America and Pod Save The World episodes tend to be 45 - 75 minutes long and also provide a lot of info. Also not shouty. Cody can be a little like Chris Hayes on uppers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:38:18am

re: #19 sagehen

13 American soldiers died, doing an evacuation that saved 122,000 civilians.
That’s approximately 1 American soldier dead for every 10,000 civilians saved.

How many of those 13 Americans would have called that an acceptable trade?

That’s not the point. The point is that Biden is a murderer.

That must be hammered home just like Hillary murdered those guys in Benghazi

22
JOE 🥓  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:38:52am

AH!

Ron Johnsonwax caught in the act!

23
Rightwingconspirator  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:41:50am

The man is probably not wrong by much. But why FFS? To my mind, this falls squarely on the Afghan government(s). National to local. Nobody wins where half the population needs help just to eat. Where hunger rules, authoritarians rise.

“Today, almost half of the population of Afghanistan - 18 million people - need humanitarian assistance to survive,” United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres continued.

cnn.com

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:42:44am

re: #21 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That’s not the point. The point is that Biden is a murderer.

That must be hammered home just like Hillary murdered those guys in Benghazi

It is past time to take the narrative back.

25
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:43:30am

re: #24 Rightwingconspirator

It is past time to take the narrative back.

but what about….?

26
GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:44:32am

re: #12 Punish Domestic Terrorists

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KGxvi  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:44:58am

re: #20 stpaulbear

Crooked Media’s weekly Pod Save America and Pod Save The World episodes tend to be 45 - 75 minutes long and also provide a lot of info. Also not shouty. Cody can be a little like Chris Hayes on uppers.

PSA and PSW are my two favorite political pods (The New Abnormal is a close third), most for this reason. But I have to admit, I haven’t been listening as much lately - sometimes I just need some distance from the whirlwind.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:49:57am

No.
No.
No.
No.

You do NOT impeach Joe because a woman and a bunch of dogs were left behind in Afghanistan…

29
ericblair  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:51:03am

re: #20 stpaulbear

Crooked Media’s weekly Pod Save America and Pod Save The World episodes tend to be 45 - 75 minutes long and also provide a lot of info. Also not shouty. Cody can be a little like Chris Hayes on uppers.

The last Pod Save the World (I think) had an interview with an Al Jazeera correspondent about Afghanistan. It was fairly interesting about stuff on the ground, about how he personally considered Biden enormously disrespectful towards the Afghans (I don’t agree, but can see where he was coming from). Ok.

Then we got into What America Should Have Done. First, apparently, the US should have told Ghani that we were really leaving this time and he really needs to clean up the corruption. Wut. We know what happened when he really understood America was leaving: he grabbed as much cash as he could find and buggered off to the UAE.

And then, that the Taliban had now committed to human rights and various other noble things, and America needs to hold the Taliban to their commitment. So, after the host gently asked him how America should do this, he comes back with, as I recall, “I don’t know. America should do something!”

Apparently he doesn’t realize that “I don’t know. America should do something!” has been the one guiding principle for everyone involved in this debacle for the last two decades.

30
Dopamine Fish  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:51:28am

re: #28 JOE 🥓

No.
No.
No.
No.

You do NOT impeach Joe because a woman and a bunch of dogs were left behind in Afghanistan…

They are reaching for any possible excuse they can come up with to impeach Biden to make up for the fact that their god-emperor was twice impeached, whether it makes logical sense or not.

31
sagehen  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:55:54am
32
Rightwingconspirator  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:57:39am

re: #30 Dopamine Fish

It’s all prideful “tit for tat” instead of crimes and misdemeanors like we clearly had with the last guy. For these dangerous people, the law and morality is about who and what they like, to hell with anyone that disagrees. We (whoever all that is) impeached their god-king twice, so our guy must fall.

33
Belafon  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:58:11am

re: #21 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That’s not the point. The point is that Biden is a murderer.

That must be hammered home just like Hillary murdered those guys in Benghazi

Those are the exact things said by someone on Facebook last night.

34
KGxvi  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:59:10am

re: #29 ericblair

Apparently he doesn’t realize that “I don’t know. America should do something!” has been the one guiding principle for everyone involved in this debacle for the last two decades.

Feels like this has been the basis for American foreign policy since the end of the Second World War, give or take.

35
lawhawk  Aug 31, 2021 • 11:59:56am

re: #17 ericblair

History doesn’t repeat. It stutters.

Those that don’t learn from history, die from repeating it.

36
jaunte  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:00:29pm
37
KGxvi  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:01:18pm

For the record: I’m far from an isolationist. I think, generally, the US can/should be a force for good in the world. But we tend not to want to do the hard work anymore so every problem is a nail and our only tool is the sledgehammer that is the US military.

38
Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:01:25pm

re: #36 jaunte

Dipshits.

39
Rightwingconspirator  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:01:26pm

Isn’t Biden speaking on this again today?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:04:19pm

re: #33 Belafon

Those are the exact things said by someone on Facebook last night.

which is why I don’t do politics on FB

41
Rightwingconspirator  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:05:18pm

re: #37 KGxvi

For the record: I’m far from an isolationist. I think, generally, the US can/should be a force for good in the world. But we tend not to want to do the hard work anymore so every problem is a nail and our only tool is the sledgehammer that is the US military.

Agreed. We have money and manufacturing capacity. Trade as an instrument of policy. We can and should make any foreign humanitarian effort international or walk away. UN, ASEAN, Red Cross whoever. Every time they want the “military hammer” we have gotta ask, why us? Is this even a nail, and what about you guys?

42
A Three Hour Tour  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:06:04pm

re: #36 jaunte

Republican legislators and media: “Biden must resign RIGHT NOW!!”
Sensible people: “No. YOU fuckers resign.”

43
jaunte  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:06:48pm

National Sledgehammer Manufacturer’s Association.

44
Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:07:18pm

re: #26 GlutenFreeJesus

Good point.

45
sagehen  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:10:13pm

re: #37 KGxvi

For the record: I’m far from an isolationist. I think, generally, the US can/should be a force for good in the world. But we tend not to want to do the hard work anymore so every problem is a nail and our only tool is the sledgehammer that is the US military.

Obama quote on that topic (in one of his West Point graduation speeches)

“Just because we have the best hammer, doesn’t mean every problem is a nail.”

46
GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:10:41pm

re: #44 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I’ll never take him or any Republican seriously until they go face-to-face with these creeps.

47
gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:10:51pm
48
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:11:35pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

“The Lord Helps Those Who Help Themselves”

49
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:12:23pm

God destroyed Sodom because men slept with men there…

50
Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:13:19pm

re: #19 sagehen

13 American soldiers died, doing an evacuation that saved 122,000 civilians.
That’s approximately 1 American soldier dead for every 10,000 civilians saved.

How many of those 13 Americans would have called that an acceptable trade?

That’s part of the bad faith that they’re arguing from: The only civilians they ever gave a damn about were Americans.

Foreign nationals? “Fuck’em, shouldn’t have been there in the first place.”

Afghan refugees? “THEY WILL NOT REPLACE US!!!”

But a woman and a bunch of rescue dogs? “THIS IS THE WORST LOSS OF LIFE IN AMERICAN HISTORY!!!”

The clearest way to prove that? Just look at all the coverage in the “liberal media,” wailing non-stop about 13 dead soldiers but not sparing most than a couple seconds for the 170+ civilians killed in the same attack.

51
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:14:04pm

Jesus came out of the cave, saw his shadow, ran back in and it was six more weeks of winter

52
Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:15:43pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

This one is still weird to me. Post-war Pittsburgh was the most rabidly ethnocentric place you could imagine. We could identify 3 or 4 kinds of Irish, at least 3 kinds of Italians, but it never occurred to anyone that Jews weren’t white. Christ-killers, maybe, but definitely white.

53
Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:16:35pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

“Love the sinner. Hate the sin.”

Which in modern evangelical circles translates as “You’re a godless sinner who’s gonna burn in the depths of Hell, but God loves you. Now kindly get your sinning ass out of our neighborhood.”

54
sagehen  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:16:50pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

The clearest way to prove that? Just look at all the coverage in the “liberal media,” wailing non-stop about 13 dead soldiers but not sparing most than a couple seconds for the 170+ civilians killed in the same attack.

It wasn’t 170+ civilians; the 170 Afghans who died, 28 of them were Taliban.

55
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:17:21pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

This one is still weird to me. Post-war Pittsburgh was the most rabidly ethnocentric place you could imagine. We could identify 3 or 4 kinds of Irish, at least 3 kinds of Italians, but it never occurred to anyone that Jews weren’t white. Christ-killers, maybe, but definitely white.

Yeah, I was not aware of Jews as a separate race growing up in Gary. White people came in sub-sets: WASPy whites, Central/Eastern European whites and Hillbillies.

56
JOE 🥓  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:17:26pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

This one is still weird to me. Post-war Pittsburgh was the most rabidly ethnocentric place you could imagine. We could identify 3 or 4 kinds of Irish, at least 3 kinds of Italians, but it never occurred to anyone that Jews weren’t white. Christ-killers, maybe, but definitely white.

Wish that was true because Catholics especially were very anti-Semitic. I know since I got endless hatred from them.

57
jaunte  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:17:30pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

Even in Texas.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:17:40pm

re: #54 sagehen

It wasn’t 170+ civilians; the 170 Afghans who died, 28 of them were Taliban.

Fair point. But you’d have to read several paragraphs down in most stories filed about the attack to learn that.

59
Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:19:59pm

re: #56 JOE 🥓

Wish that was true because Catholics especially were very anti-Semitic. I know since I got endless hatred from them.

Didn’t say we weren’t anti-Semitic. We were anti-everybody, especially English and Scottish Protestants. I’m just talking about categories.

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:20:03pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:22:48pm

The nations built into democracies by US intervention—Japan and Germany—were already industrialized democracies that were then hijacked by authoritarian nationalists.

Contrast this with the many post-colonial, pre-industrial or de-industrialized countries in which the US intervened putatively to protect “democracy” but doing so by providing money and arms to existing powerful figures who might preserve the facade of elections but are effectively oligarchs.

Contrast this also with the frequency with which interventions bend toward a profit motive.

If we consider how the money flowed in Afghanistan, which model did we follow?

I’m seeing a lot of broad statements about the qualia of Afghans and thus their inability to do the thing—democracy, fight back, etc—-but the current state of Afghanistan resembles a bunch of other places where US intelligence and foreign policy put their stamp: a center of oligarchs that make money disappear, a hinterland of people that don’t trust anyone from outside because they’ve been the field on which the scrummage of ideology is played, another “military” that can’t function because it’s officers steal the wages and the soldiers aren’t trained.

Either vast chunks of the world are homoousian in their lack of character or having the same conditions imposed on them produces the same result.

And there’s two direct comparables for this phenomenon—the common structural character of nations that survived European colonialism and the common character of the nations that survived Tsarist/Soviet colonialism.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:23:50pm

Leading stewards of using state populations to test snake oil.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:25:44pm
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No Malarkey!  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:26:56pm

Vaccines work.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:29:39pm

moved to new thread

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:30:06pm

re: #30 Dopamine Fish

They are reaching for any possible excuse they can come up with to impeach Biden to make up for the fact that their god-emperor was twice impeached, whether it makes logical sense or not.

MGT filed articles of impeachment against Biden on January 21.

Republicans can find any ridiculous reason to impeach a Democrat. Since Biden wasn’t involved with Monica, they will have to develop a different reason. How about concealing the truth about the crimes of one of his dear family members — Major Biden? Or over Tara Reade’s allegations?

67
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:30:23pm

re: #7 Jay C

Apparently, If you’re a Republican, it’s quite easy.

All that’s needed is a flag, a yellow ribbon, a picture of the Twin Towers, and an extraordinarily selective memory….

and lots of Lee Greenwood…

68
lawhawk  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:32:10pm

re: #64 No Malarkey!

It’s time to mute Nate Silver.

He’s a sports data guy, who doesn’t get much outside of his wheelhouse.

The reality is that what he thinks is substantial new burdens is masking, eating outdoors, and limiting ways covid can spread.

The reality is that Duke is an island surrounded by people who aren’t vaccinating and aren’t taking steps to prevent spread of covid. Duke has to protect its own, and the best way to do it is with minimal steps, like masks, outdoor eating, and insisting on vaccinations.

The problem remains that the GOPers around the nation are undermining the public health response at every turn, and if we listened to those experts we would not be in the mess we’re in.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:34:13pm

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

which is why I don’t do politics on FB

But you do inflict it on us here. Clearly you don’t need facebook to have it in your head.

Maybe, in the interest of the rest of us non-fans of facebook, you could give it a rest?

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Dangerman  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:36:00pm

re: #60 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

i dont know much about this stuff admittedly
why do they use each other as protection/cover? i mean aside from their size

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stpaulbear  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:37:38pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

“Love the sinner. Hate the sin.”

Which in modern evangelical circles translates as “You’re a godless sinner who’s gonna burn in the depths of Hell, but God loves you. Now kindly get your sinning ass out of our neighborhood.”

I had someone yelling that at me because I had a bumper sticker that said “Hate is not a family value”. First thing she said to me was “Is that a GAAAAYYE thang?” She didn’t believe in loving the sinner. She had a pre-printed list of sins I was guilty of in her mind, and she was pre-hating me for all of them.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:46:48pm

re: #61 The Ghost of a Flea

The nations built into democracies by US intervention—Japan and Germany—were already industrialized democracies that were then hijacked

Are you quite sure you want to claim this?

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mmmirele  Aug 31, 2021 • 12:58:01pm

You know it’s bad when even the naturopath licensing board is saying this quackery is a bridge too far.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2021 • 1:21:37pm

love this cover by Joe Cocker

Joe Cocker - A Whiter Shade Of Pale HD

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2021 • 2:04:05pm

re: #28 JOE 🥓

No.
No.
No.
No.

You do NOT impeach Joe because a woman and a bunch of dogs were left behind in Afghanistan…

Afghan women and dogs don’t count. They heard “Americans” and think that = white guys.


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Evangelicals and the Limits of Evangelical EmpathyLink to the article at: alternet.org She writes of her own experience where she turned against evangelicals. Here are the critical paragraphs to think about. And this will bring me to the ongoing evangelical moral panic over exvangelicals, those who ...
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How Did the United States Treat the Creator of…The SaintJust a reminder of how one Leslie Charteris was treated by the Chinese Exclusion Act…and California’s anti-Chinese laws. Just in case you didn’t know, Leslie Charteris was the creator of this literary figure… Charteris himself wasn’t far removed from his ...
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