Simply Amazing: Antoine Boyer: Scarlatti Sonata K386 on My Homemade Guitar

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It took me 7 years to build this classical guitar following the great advices of the luthier Yohan Cholet. Starting in 2012 I was expecting to finish it the following year… Life isn’t always what we expect and that’s for the best ! These 7 years were such an amazing adventure having time with Yohan and his family. And that’s surely the most beautiful part of the guitar !

Cedar top - Indian rosewood body - Walnut neck

This great transcription for solo guitar is by Gérard Abiton - productionsdoz.com

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retired cynic  Sep 3, 2021 • 8:28:03pm

Just amazing. And just what I needed.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 3, 2021 • 8:44:51pm

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 3, 2021 • 8:47:28pm
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 3, 2021 • 8:47:57pm

When I was in high school I had a friend who was a classical guitarist. He grew out the fingernails on his picking hand, because that’s what classical guitarists do. It’s part of the playing style. Well, because this was shit-ass Amarillo, Texas in the 1980s, that obviously signified one or more of the following things:

1) “fag”
2) Satan
3) “drugs”

The usual bullshit happened. Jocks beat him up and got away with it. The school made him cut his long fingernails. His parents were spineless conformists, so they were no help. Eventually I moved away and lost contact with him.

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retired cynic  Sep 3, 2021 • 8:50:43pm

re: #4 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I hope he made it out.

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plansbandc  Sep 3, 2021 • 8:51:44pm

Zozobra is now ash. Hopefully gloom and doom has been banished for the year.

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JOE 🥓  Sep 3, 2021 • 8:52:08pm

re: #4 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Ah memories of Auschwitz Concentration Camp, er Jockstrap High School where all the School Bored and teachers cared about was winning football and basketball teams. Which made me as a chess and bridge player the target of the asshole football coach…

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JOE 🥓  Sep 3, 2021 • 8:55:03pm

First Ron Johnsonwax was caught telling the truth…and now they caught Gym Neighbors!

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darthstar  Sep 3, 2021 • 8:56:16pm

re: #5 retired cynic

I hope he made it out.

Me too.

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2021 • 8:56:29pm

re: #2 Eric The Fruit Bat

I see she’s still got Bernie2020 on her bio. Definitely wouldn’t be worth engaging, especially since she’s obviously the type who takes her ball and goes home if it’s not done her way.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 3, 2021 • 8:57:03pm

re: #7 JOE 🥓

When I was in High School for PE, luckily it was only for one year, and I sucked at everything - except swimming. Got B+ for those months. Climbing rope, gymnastics and running? Fuhgetaboutit! But my math geometry and Algebra II teacher was pretty cool - he introduced me to Tom Lehrer and backgammon that we would play after school.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 3, 2021 • 8:59:55pm

re: #10 Belafon

That be true. She was an alternate delegate for Bernie Sanders in IL- forgot which election cycle, tho - probably 2016, then. She does travel to spots outside state state, tho - she went canvassing for Nina Turner in OH.

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JOE 🥓  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:01:34pm

re: #11 Eric The Fruit Bat

When I was in High School for PE, luckily it was only for one year, and I sucked at everything - except swimming. Got B+ for those months. Climbing rope, gymnastics and running? Fuhgetaboutit! But my math geometry and Algebra II teacher was pretty cool - he introduced me to Tom Lehrer and backgammon that we would play after school.

8th Grade with The Algebra Teacher From The Dinah Shore Portal Of Hell. Memories of having that asshole scream at me, make fun of my hair, goof on my clothes and egg his bully boys to beat me in class.

Left me with a lifelong hatred of math teachers.

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darthstar  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:14:06pm

Still in learning Don’t Dream it’s Over by Crowded House (one of my wife’s favorite songs) stunning pattern is almost identical to Brown Eyed Girl by Van Morrison. Love how my instructor makes learning new songs easy

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:18:30pm
Left me with a lifelong hatred of math teachers.

I was able to skate by in Calculus 1 at the University of Michigan-Dearborn, but Calculus 2 was my downfall - the CIS degree at UM-D required math above and beyond standard degree requirements. Later on, the introduced a Information Technology degree - the prof who set that program up wrote book called “COBOL: A structured approach” and two of my programs that I wrote for one of his classes were included in the book, so I had to sing a waiver. It was written by my prof at the time, Prof. Ricahrds, with a co-author of Prof. Chaney, and was reviewed by Marvin Stick in 1981.
Sadly I lost the book when I moved up here.

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austin_blue  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:22:14pm

Well, it’s a trad euro piece, well played, but is it virtuoso?

I’m going to to say no. There were a couple of off notes about five seconds into the beginning of the second section, which were well hidden in the flow of the tune, but still. Hmmm.

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retired cynic  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:23:24pm

re: #16 austin_blue

I heard it; he looked startled. But I still loved it. Art and perfection don’t always go hand in hand.

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austin_blue  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:28:20pm

re: #17 retired cynic

I heard it; he looked startled. But I still loved it. Art and perfection don’t always go hand in hand.

Agreed, but you need to call out the faults in any performance, both for the audience and the players, to make it better in the future.

Any major dude will tell ya.

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retired cynic  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:35:08pm

re: #18 austin_blue

Agreed, but you need to call out the faults in any performance, both for the audience and the players, to make it better in the future.

Any major dude will tell ya.

Probably why I decided to fall back on music ed rather than pursue my degree in clarinet performance. I was good, but not that good!

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:40:18pm

Yikes! I wonder what special intervention was required to keep it from recommending “Mr. Data” and “Star Trek DS9” every time Zuckerberg’s alien mug appears?

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A Cranky One  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:41:39pm

re: #18 austin_blue

Agreed, but you need to call out the faults in any performance, both for the audience and the players, to make it better in the future.

Any major dude will tell ya.

Hey, the dude is showing off the guitar he made. And it looks and sounds great. And he played through his mistakes which is expected.

I say kudos to him.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:50:29pm

George Carlin: Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers.

vm.tiktok.com

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JOE 🥓  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:52:21pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:52:55pm

re: #15 Eric The Fruit Bat

Yippie ! I was a able to find a copy of the book at UK-based AbeBooks!

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:58:34pm

Antivaxx soldiers are deserters and mutineers. The varied collection of US troops in the War of 1812 had plenty of problems but smallpox wasn’t one of them.

Immunization to Protect the US Armed Forces: Heritage, Current Practice, and Prospects

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austin_blue  Sep 3, 2021 • 9:59:49pm

re: #21 A Cranky One

Hey, the dude is showing off the guitar he made. And it looks and sounds great. And he played through his mistakes which is expected.

I say kudos to him.

The guitar looks great. It sounds great. That’s not the point.

You can have as many recordings as you care to record of the piece you will be posting, prior to posting it, but once you post it, it’s history, and it’s in the memory hole of the internet. Again, the guitar sounded great, but the performance was meh.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:05:40pm

Austin is in a state of perpetual rebellion against the backward-ass goober barbarians in most of the rest of Texas, and does not deserve this. Other, more appropriate, boycotts are coming down the pike, though, and some of them could really bite.

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:10:43pm

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I’m a Dallas resident, and while it sucks for those of us liberals here, some things are going to have to be done to punish the state in order to get it to change, and there’s no way to avoid the collateral damage at this point.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:12:01pm

INCOMING!
Portland City Council to vote on ending trade and travel with Texas in response to abortion restrictions

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler announced on Friday that Portland City Council will vote on an emergency resolution on Wednesday with the intent to ban city business and employee travel related to the state of Texas.

The resolution was made in response to the state’s recent abortion laws that greatly restrict access to the procedure. In a statement from the city of Portland, the law was called unconstitutional.

If passed, the ban will continue until the state of Texas withdraws the abortion law or until it is overturned in court. City legal counsel is currently evaluating the legal aspects of this proposed resolution.

The Portland City Council said in a statement, “It stands unified in its belief that all people should have the right to choose if and when they carry a pregnancy and that the decisions they make are complex, difficult, and unique to their circumstances.”

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:15:28pm
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sagehen  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:29:14pm

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Austin is in a state of perpetual rebellion against the backward-ass goober barbarians in most of the rest of Texas, and does not deserve this. Other, more appropriate, boycotts are coming down the pike, though, and some of them could really bite.

SXSW COULD FACE BOYCOTTS IN THE WAKE OF TEXAS ABORTION BILL
Some industry leaders are already calling on brands and agencies to stay away from the Austin event

So just rename it NXNW and move it to Seattle or Portland.

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sagehen  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:32:41pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

INCOMING!
Portland City Council to vote on ending trade and travel with Texas in response to abortion restrictions

Don’t make it just about the abortion law. There’s the voter suppression, too. And the no license/no training guns for everyone.

ETA: also, the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers, how safe do you feel going to a place with no ICU beds available should anybody need them? Plus the power will probably give out, that’ll fuck most of the movies and musical performances and tech demos.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:35:23pm

re: #31 sagehen

So just rename it NXNW and move it to Seattle or Portland.

Albuquerque or Santa Fe would be glad to have it, and they wouldn’t even have to change the name.

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plansbandc  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:36:44pm

re: #31 sagehen

Or keep the name and move it to Santa Fe/Albuquerque.

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sagehen  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:37:33pm

GMTA

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:39:13pm

The Texas abortion abomination, especially the bounty hunter provision, has a lot of backs up all over the civilized world. We are likely to see official sanctions as well as a tsunami of privately organized boycotts.

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:39:35pm

While I could definitely see SXSW moving out, all the rest of Texas would see it as would be punishing the liberals. Need something a bit bigger.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:44:53pm

Interesting if gruesome string. The author sees parallels between Franco and the Texas Republicans. Among other things, Franco ordered punishment up to and including death, for women who had had abortions. How did he identify them? He paid neighbors to snitch on them.

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sagehen  Sep 3, 2021 • 10:50:38pm

How many movies are filmed in Texas every year? Farming and cattle ranching are going to take a hit from the water problems, even if the cows and crops don’t all freeze. Petroleum can’t move, it is where it is for non-portable reasons. Maybe if Google cancels their Texas plans and goes to New Mexico instead.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 3, 2021 • 11:20:24pm

Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 3, 2021 • 11:34:07pm

Yes Virginia, there are concertos for tubas:

Aleksei Lebedev – Concerto No. 1 for Tuba

..

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 3, 2021 • 11:45:46pm
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Jay C  Sep 3, 2021 • 11:54:20pm

re: #30 Belafon

So what, then is the “real” deal with the British tabloid-press bile (against Joe Biden) about Afghanistan? I’ve always thought an unspoken subtext about the Brexit mess was the Leavers thought TFG would be more prone to cut them sweetheart trade deals. - probably through some monetary grift or other - but it seems (to say the least) counterproductive to better US - UK relations to flog “the President is a gaga drooler” memes. And over Afghanistan? WTF? They still pissed about Gandamak?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 3, 2021 • 11:55:09pm

The Fagradalsfjall volcano has been pretty quiet for a day and a half now. Even if it were erupting we couldn’t see it as that part of Iceland has been foggy and cloudy for several days.

However, just at daybreak the clouds thinned just enough to get an image that looks like an outline of the crater:

You can see how jagged the rim has become. On the 1st it started to crumble in spots, and during the two days in the fog it looks like a lot more of the rim has fallen. I suspect his is because as it cools (the surface may look dark but under the dark skin the basalt still glows dark red) the basalt shrinks and cracks form, and thus if the basalt is not balanced it just falls away.

Here is how the rim looked on the 31st, from the same spot (and almost the same zoom on the camera):

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 4, 2021 • 12:09:19am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 4, 2021 • 12:11:59am

re: #44 Jay C

The English have long looked down on the Irish.

Anyway, about the Brit view of America, it came up in a WILTY episodes some time back when Kimberly Wyatt of the Pussycat Dolls was a guest, and her bit on the show sparked comedian Jo Brand to declare that America is finished if two old gits wouldn’t help Kimberly (a sexy blonde). From the top of the Kimberly section:

(HD) Would I Lie to You? - “S11 E01 (Series 11 Episode 1)” | Classic WILTY

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 4, 2021 • 12:18:53am

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I’ve been contemplating the optimal katana mount for my bike.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 12:39:05am

re: #5 retired cynic

I hope he made it out.

I didn’t have it as bad as that, but I got picked on a lot for not being into what “normal” Midwestern males were supposed to be into; namely sports, muscle cars and bleach-blonde cheerleaders with big tits.

I was into art and music and (at least theoretically) into women, but ones who had read a book or two and had something interesting to talk about.

Guess it was not too surprising to find out that many of the people I hung with in HS and college later came out gay. I guess we fell in together because we were all rather marginalized and because they were creative and intelligent company.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 12:40:07am

re: #15 Eric The Fruit Bat

I had an outstanding Calculus 2 teacher but it was an accelerated summer session and I could not keep up with the pace. Re-enrolled but the teacher was awful and I dropped the class and changed my major.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 12:43:21am

re: #40 Dread Pirate Ron

Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

But his spirit unfortunately still lives on…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 12:45:41am

re: #48 Dread Pirate Ron

I’ve been contemplating the optimal katana mount for my bike.

don’t forget the wakizashi sheath for bicycle seppuku…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 4, 2021 • 1:04:43am

If the cities around here don’t make bike lanes contiguous all the way down a street it’s only a matter of time I get a ticket for “speeding” on a sidewalk. What is the speed limit on the sidewalk?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 1:10:50am

re: #53 Dread Pirate Ron

If the cities around here don’t make bike lanes contiguous all the way down a street it’s only a matter of time I get a ticket for “speeding” on a sidewalk. What is the speed limit on the sidewalk?

I believe that by law you are supposed to dismount and walk the bike. At least that is the case in Germany.

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2021 • 1:12:03am

re: #44 Jay C

So what, then is the “real” deal with the British tabloid-press bile (against Joe Biden) about Afghanistan? I’ve always thought an unspoken subtext about the Brexit mess was the Leavers thought TFG would be more prone to cut them sweetheart trade deals. - probably through some monetary grift or other - but it seems (to say the least) counterproductive to better US - UK relations to flog “the President is a gaga drooler” memes. And over Afghanistan? WTF? They still pissed about Gandamak?

If it wasn’t Afghanistan, they’d think of something else to pretend it’s about. Really what it’s about, is Rupert Murdoch and Piers Morgan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 1:15:33am

re: #55 sagehen

If it wasn’t Afghanistan, they’d think of something else to pretend it’s about. Really what it’s about, is Rupert Murdoch and Piers Morgan.

and anything to distract from the thickening clusterf*ck that they falling into over Brexit

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Sep 4, 2021 • 1:34:58am

re: #44 Jay C

So what, then is the “real” deal with the British tabloid-press bile (against Joe Biden) about Afghanistan? I’ve always thought an unspoken subtext about the Brexit mess was the Leavers thought TFG would be more prone to cut them sweetheart trade deals. - probably through some monetary grift or other - but it seems (to say the least) counterproductive to better US - UK relations to flog “the President is a gaga drooler” memes. And over Afghanistan? WTF? They still pissed about Gandamak?

What I’ve been getting through various sources is that the Brits are pissed we actually left instead of lying about it and they weren’t ready because they thought we we going to punt it again like always. They refused to believe we were leaving because every previous attempt was bullshit, including Clownstick’s plan.

The Brits claim they cant trust us (to be untrustworthy) anymore.

BoJo called Biden to try to get the deadline extended again and he got a middle finger more or less.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 1:40:33am

re: #57 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

BoJo called Biden to try to get the deadline extended again and he got a middle finger more or less.

Extending deadlines is the only play Johnson has left in his book…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 4, 2021 • 1:41:30am
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Teukka  Sep 4, 2021 • 2:01:54am

re: #48 Dread Pirate Ron

I’ve been contemplating the optimal katana mount for my bike.

Would it be a requirement to be able to draw it while riding the bike? 🤔

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 4, 2021 • 2:26:17am

re: #60 Teukka

Would it be a requirement to be able to draw it while riding the bike? 🤔

yes

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 4, 2021 • 3:06:32am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 3:10:16am

“32% contained” sounds so much better than “68% RAGING OUT OF CONTROL!!!

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 4, 2021 • 3:18:23am

3,305 square miles burned. I’m so old I remember when1000 square miles burned was a lot for a whole season. We’re about half way through the season. Fires will rage into November.

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Dangerman  Sep 4, 2021 • 3:42:11am

re: #15 Eric The Fruit Bat

I was able to skate by in Calculus 1 at the University of Michigan-Dearborn, but Calculus 2 was my downfall - the CIS degree at UM-D required math above and beyond standard degree requirements. Later on, the introduced a Information Technology degree - the prof who set that program up wrote book called “COBOL: A structured approach” and two of my programs that I wrote for one of his classes were included in the book, so I had to sing a waiver. It was written by my prof at the time, Prof. Ricahrds, with a co-author of Prof. Chaney, and was reviewed by Marvin Stick in 1981.
Sadly I lost the book when I moved up here.

In what key? ;-)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2021 • 4:19:50am

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Woman practicing cutting off a head while riding a bicycle.

— Historical Photos (@Iearnhistory) September 2, 2021

Hussar Hussy.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2021 • 4:25:31am

All through the Obama years the supermarket tabloids laid out the most putrid crap possible about the President and First Lady. Then four years of silence. Now it’s putrid again.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 4, 2021 • 4:28:32am

re: #65 Dangerman

Pfffbbbth!

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William Lewis  Sep 4, 2021 • 4:32:02am

re: #67 Decatur Deb

All through the Obama years the supermarket tabloids laid out the most putrid crap possible about the President and First Lady. Then four years of silence. Now it’s putrid again.

Oh, I don’t know, the hagiographies they were publishing the last four years were pretty putrid too…

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William Lewis  Sep 4, 2021 • 4:38:09am

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Hussar Hussy.

The Queens Own Cycle Yeomanry (F)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2021 • 4:48:12am

re: #70 William Lewis

The Queens Own Cycle Yeomanry (F)

Canadians still mount the 8th (Princess Louise’s).

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jeffreyw  Sep 4, 2021 • 4:51:32am

Good morning!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 4, 2021 • 4:54:45am

re: #72 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

Good morning!

Who dat be?

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jeffreyw  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:15:17am

re: #73 Eric The Fruit Bat

Who dat be?

Anonykitty. It’s an old photo of a kitten at a shelter, taken 5 years ago.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:28:03am

Former Democratic Sen. Heidi Heitkamp Now Pushes Tax Breaks For Rich F*ckwads (Wonektte)

Eliminating the “step-up in basis” loophole eliminates the most obscene part of wealth transfer from the poor to the rich via the Stock Market Casino and real property.

Heitcamp has gone to work for a dark money outfit which lobbies to keep the loophole, of which the elimination is central to Biden’s investment plans. She has been heavily lobbying Democrats to strip out the provisions.

Republicans of course favour redistribution of dynastic wealth through the stock market; it fits right in with Edmund Burke’s philosphy of hijacking capitalism to elminate meaningful democracy and keeping aristocracy.

One or two defecting Democrats in the Senate (cough Sinema, Manchin) would strip out the provision in the bills.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:29:36am

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Hussar Hussy.

I regret that I have but one up to ding…

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:30:55am

re: #74 jeffreyw

Anonykitty. It’s an old photo of a kitten at a shelter, taken 5 years ago.

Is that why we haven’t seen Anonymouse this morning?

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Dangerman  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:36:35am
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jeffreyw  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:37:23am

re: #77 BlueSpotinAL

Is that why we haven’t seen Anonymouse this morning?

Not sure where ‘mouse is keeping himself today.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:37:31am
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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:38:07am
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Dangerman  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:38:26am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:38:42am

re: #77 BlueSpotinAL

Is that why we haven’t seen Anonymouse this morning?

I’m here. I don’t log in normally unless I have a comment or upfist to give.

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Dangerman  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:38:57am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:38:59am

re: #78 Dangerman

They don’t trust elitist big pharma science medicine but are fine with a good ol’ horse-doctor cure.

This is that streak of anti-intellectualism that we have had since the birth of America.

We put it aside briefly for WW2 and then for the Cold War and the Space Race, but since Reagan and the dawn of the American World Empire, we not only Dare to Be Stupid, we are Proud to Be Stupid.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:39:51am
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Dangerman  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:41:13am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:43:32am

re: #80 Belafon

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:47:08am

Say what, England?

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:47:58am
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Dangerman  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:49:46am

re: #86 Belafon

[Embedded content]

you can chicken/egg trump and the rubes all you want - who found who etc

if he had said right away, and kept at these two things
- wear a mask
- get vaccinated

none of this would be happening (save the hard core anti-any-vaxxers)

he would not have been ‘rejected’ by some massive sleeping giant who had no idea this was coming but were just waiting for it anyway

it’s mostly R’s sick, dying, and eating horse paste, because he made it all a political article of faith

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:50:16am

re: #90 Belafon

And because officers engage so much with the general public, they aren’t just putting themselves at risk; they are effectively disease vectors.

and you cannot simply choose not to interact with them

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:52:11am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:52:59am

So how long until the all-Republican Texas Supreme Court overturns Judge Gamble’s ruling?

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:59:28am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:00:34am

re: #90 Belafon

When Trump decided that genocide was a good strategy, conservatives would always be in on hurting us as collateral damage; there is no way to avoid it.

All we can do is avoid to the greatest extent possible conservatives we don’t know are vaccinated.

The police seem to lean conservative despite how poorly Republicans treat them. If nothing else, if their unions are going to insist on no vaccines or masks, then they are effectively defunding themselves.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:07:58am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:09:54am

Austin-based Bumble, the second-most downloaded dating apps in the U.S., announced via Twitter on Wednesday, September 1, it would launch a fund to support people trying to access abortion services in Texas.

“Bumble is women-founded and women-led, and from day one we’ve stood up for the most vulnerable,” the tweet stated. “We’ll keep fighting against regressive laws like #SB8.”

Bumble told Business Insider that it would give the funds to organizations supporting women’s reproductive rights.

The next day, Match Group CEO Shar Dubey, who operates match.com, the largest dating site in the country, told employees Thursday, September 2, that she has set up a fund for workers affected by the new legislation, according to NBC News. The Dallas-based company’s fund will help cover costs for workers and their dependents who need to travel out of state in order to have an abortion.

(more at My San Antonio)

Bumble, Match create funds for Texas women affected by new abortion law

That directly defies the new Texas law. Let’s see what happens.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:17:56am

re: #97 Belafon

Legislative director of Texas Right to Life John Seago openly admits to violating 18 USC 241. He admits (1) the law was designed to avoid judicial enforcement of the right; and (2) the goal was to prevent the right from being exercised.

They insist that they answer to a “higher law”.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:19:23am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So, they’re like Hebrew National hot dogs?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:20:29am

re: #100 Sufficient unto the day…

So, they’re like Hebrew National hot dogs?

but much bigger weenies

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:21:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:22:56am

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

In Biblical times, women would have completed their families by their early 20’s…or already have died in childbirth…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:25:46am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In Biblical times, women would have completed their families by their early 20’s…or already have died in childbirth…

So what you’re saying is, the Biblical era had a better life expectancy for women and infants than Texas.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:27:07am

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

So what you’re saying is, the Biblical era had a better life expectancy for women and infants than Texas.

Texas ranks at or near the the bottom of all 50 states for maternal health and child care…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:27:40am

I’m waiting for nations to start issuing travel warnings for travel to Texas, due to inavailability of proper healthcare for women there.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:29:34am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They insist that they answer to a “higher law”.

They aren’t Hebrew National.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:30:49am

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m waiting for nations to start issuing travel warnings for travel to Texas, due to inavailability of proper healthcare for women there.

Hell, they should have been doing it already because of the prevalence of COVID there (likewise in Florida, and, well, most of the South in general).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:30:58am
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Dangerman  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:31:23am

re: #100 Sufficient unto the day…

So, they’re like Hebrew National hot dogs?

Fwiw,
Hebrew national has the right and protection in this country to make and sell their hot dogs according to their higher authority

They do not have the right to make me buy or eat them

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:37:07am

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

lacking any other argument, go ad hominem, or in this case, ad feminem

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:38:56am

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

lacking any other argument, go ad hominem, or in this case, ad feminem

When the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When the law is on your side, pound the law. When neither is on your side, pound the table fling shit like the primitive primate you are.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:40:27am

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

lacking any other argument, go ad hominem, or in this case, ad feminem

There is a whole bunch of misogyny from the conservatives and bad-faith arguments from the Christians (when Bette Midler calls for abstinence it’s virtuous, when Christians do it, it’s called bigotry).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:41:25am

re: #113 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Their ideal society is a patriarchy in which women know their place (and their value as property of their fathers/husbands)

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:41:29am

Most of the arguments in the thread are about how Democrats couldn’t fundraiser off of it, but that’s not really the issue:

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Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:41:43am

*Sigh* I would love to spend all day like this but way too much stuff to do outside today. Besides, isn’t it a Lizards tradition to do all our LGF interactions in PJs?. Oh, and good morning.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:46:23am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:47:10am

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Bumble, Match create funds for Texas women affected by new abortion law

That directly defies the new Texas law. Let’s see what happens.

Any individual who tries to sue them needs a whole lot of cash to take on corporate attorneys - and groups that try to sue them may find themselves facing a civil RICO suit (it that is possible - best to check with @Popehat on that…)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:49:33am

New Texas Law Allows Private Citizens To Hold Pregnant Women Hostage Until Birth (The Onion, September 2, 2021)

AUSTIN, TX—In an ongoing effort to completely eliminate the right to an abortion in the state, the Texas Legislature passed a new law Thursday that allows private citizens to kidnap and detain any pregnant woman or girl until she reaches full term and gives birth. “The sanctity of life can only be preserved when every Texan is empowered to seize childbearing females off the street, place them in the back of a van, and drive them to an undisclosed location where they can be held against their will for the duration of their pregnancy,” Gov. Greg Abbott said as he signed the bill into law, explaining that it was within the rights of an individual to keep the pregnant hostage chained up in a basement or locked in a cage, so long as she was properly secured and escape was impossible.

(more)

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:49:56am

True facts.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:52:57am
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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:53:35am

We can only hope:

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:56:40am

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

On that topic, I mentioned to Mrs. Fish about Texas’s other stupid laws that went into effect this week, including the “fully free open carry” law. She was dumbstruck; she couldn’t understand how you have to have a valid license to operate a car, and an even more restrictive license to operate a motorcycle, but you can just walk up and buy and carry a gun in Texas and nobody cares. She kept coming back to the fact that guns are specifically designed to kill things, and how can anyone not care that the person holding the gun is qualified to operate it, or mentally stable enough to control it and use it responsibly? I had to tell her that those were all great arguments, and I obviously agree with her, but the pro-gun idiots only see “the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” and instantly go into frothing wingnut rage mode if anyone dares to suggest that we be responsible with gun ownership.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:57:25am

We really should be trying to get all of them through, but that would take breaking the dam:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:58:07am

re: #115 Belafon

Most of the arguments in the thread are about how Democrats couldn’t fundraiser off of it, but that’s not really the issue:

Fortunately, only a tiny percentage of Americans are actually on Twitter. The Twitterverse does not reflect reality.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:58:35am

re: #124 Belafon

We really should be trying to get all of them through, but that would take breaking the dam:

There’s so much we need to do to get this country back on the right track, and all of it is important. Infrastructure just happened to be the easiest to get done, because we could do a lot of it through reconciliation, as long as Manchin and Sinema get their 15 minutes of fame.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 6:59:36am

re: #123 Dopamine Fish

Because (ignore introductory clause) “The Right of the People to Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed”

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:07:50am

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Fortunately, only a tiny percentage of Americans are actually on Twitter. The Twitterverse does not reflect reality.

This was used in an argument from a judge in denying Donald Trump, Jr.’s motion to dismiss a defamation lawsuit from Don Blankenship. Uday tried to claim that his words couldn’t be defamatory because Blankenship’s reputation was already mud, but the judge noted that his argument essentially applied only to his Twitter reputation, and Uday’s tweet became national news, which reached far beyond the audience of Twitter.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:08:18am

In the category of “abuse of civil asset forfeiture, Nevada edition”:

A former Marine was pulled over for following a truck too closely. Police took nearly $87,000 of his cash. (Washington Post, September 1, 2021)

The Nevada trooper first told Stephen Lara the highway patrol was educating drivers “about violations they may not realize they’re committing,” and that he’d been pulled over for following a tanker truck too closely. Eventually the trooper admitted having an ulterior purpose: stopping the smuggling of illegal drugs, weapons and currency as they crossed the state.

Lara — a former Marine who says he was on his way to visit his daughters in Northern California — insisted he was doing none of those things, though he readily admitted he had “a lot” of cash in his car. As he stood on the side of the road, police searched the vehicle, pulling nearly $87,000 in a zip-top bag from Lara’s trunk and insisting a drug-sniffing dog had detected something on the cash.

Police found no drugs, and Lara, 39, was charged with no crime. But police left with his money, calling a Drug Enforcement Administration agent to coordinate an “adoption,” which allows federal authorities to seize cash or property they suspect is connected to criminal activity without levying criminal charges.

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jeffreyw  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:12:49am

re: #122 Belafon

We can only hope:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:14:33am

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

In the category of “abuse of civil asset forfeiture, Nevada edition”:

A former Marine was pulled over for following a truck too closely. Police took nearly $87,000 of his cash. (Washington Post, September 1, 2021)

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Because property has no habeas corpus

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:28:14am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:31:47am

re: #132 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Russia’s Vladimir Putin signed a law in July reserving the word “champagne” solely for sparkling wines produced in Russia. That’s left importers of bubbly from France’s Champagne region scratching their heads.

Why? Upon France’s dogged insistance, in the EU “Champagne” has to come from the Champagne Region, otherwise it has to be marketed as “Sparkling Wine”, “Sekt”, “Spumante”, “Cremant”, etc…they have long campaigned (ha ha) to reserve that designation in the USA, and Шампанское has a long tradition in Russia.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:36:09am
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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:42:14am

re: #72 jeffreyw

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:45:23am
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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:45:58am
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Belafon  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:48:50am

Counterpoint:

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No Malarkey!  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:52:29am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:53:42am

re: #136 Belafon

This is your regular reminder that religion has no place in politics.

Much too general a statement.

Of course, religion is going to shape our sense of morality and that in turn is what shapes our laws.

There is no place in politics for sectarian theological debate. Which is what a lot of abortion legislation is about, some cherry-picked reference to “you loved me when I was still in the womb” as proof that we have the Moral Duty to hunt down harlots and all who would aid and abet them.

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JC1  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:54:19am

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

In the category of “abuse of civil asset forfeiture, Nevada edition”:

A former Marine was pulled over for following a truck too closely. Police took nearly $87,000 of his cash. (Washington Post, September 1, 2021)

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Why hasn’t Merrick Garland stopped the BS adoption procedure? Jeff Sessions reinstated it.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:55:12am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Much too general a statement.

Of course, religion is going to shape our sense of morality and that in turn is what shapes our laws.

There is no place in politics for sectarian theological debate. Which is what a lot of abortion legislation is about, some cherry-picked reference to “you loved me when I was still in the womb” as proof that we have the Moral Duty to hunt down harlots and all who would aid and abet them.

Jesus also said that He didn’t come to set up an earthly kingdom, but a heavenly one. That hasn’t dissuaded the Christian nationalists from advocating that we’re a Christian nation and we need to institute Christian morality in our legal code.

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JC1  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:55:47am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because property has no habeas corpus

5th amendment clearly states that among other things, we will not be deprived of personal property without due process. It’s total BS.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:00:45am

re: #142 Dopamine Fish

Jesus also said that He didn’t come to set up an earthly kingdom, but a heavenly one. That hasn’t dissuaded the Christian nationalists from advocating that we’re a Christian nation and we need to institute Christian morality in our legal code.

(repeat from earlier)

American Exceptionalism is based on the notion that we are God’s Favorite Nation on Earth and will continue to prosper and enjoy His Divine Blessings because our laws reflect (their Fundamentalist backward interpretation of ) His Divine Will.
Needless to say, they see allowing abortion and birth control and public adultery and gay marriage and miscegenation and people eating the Bread of Idleness all as a direct affront to God and unless we outlaw all those things, he will no longer favor us and might just decide it is time to open up a Jehosophat-size can of Divine Ass-Whoop on us…

And of course, a GOP politician can adulterate and fornicate and cheat and steal and God will forgive him, but God will never forgive those Democrats who supports abortion and welfare and gay marriage until they repent their ways.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:03:01am

re: #143 JC1

5th amendment clearly states that among other things, we will not be deprived of personal property without due process. It’s total BS.

Original intent was to allow authorities to separate drug dealers and other serial criminals from the fruits of their crimes, but it is just too tempting a target for petty officials.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:05:08am

re: #142 Dopamine Fish

Jesus also said that He didn’t come to set up an earthly kingdom, but a heavenly one. That hasn’t dissuaded the Christian nationalists from advocating that we’re a Christian nation and we need to institute Christian morality in our legal code.

We call the period where Christians ruled The Dark Ages for a reason.

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Of course, religion is going to shape our sense of morality and that in turn is what shapes our laws.

Religions hijack morality and claim they invented it. People are moral because they are moral.

This is the reverse of the argument many Christians of all sects (and other religions) use to claim atheists are not moral.

“Without the Bible and the Ten Commandments, what keeps you from raping and killing?”

If you need the Bible to not do those things, I sincerely do not want you to give up your religious beleifs.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:06:24am

Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal Rips Texas Abortion Law as a ‘Blunder’ and ‘Misfire’ (The Wrap)

“The law sets an awful precedent that conservatives should hate,” editorial board says

The Wall Street Journal, owned by Rupert Murdoch’s NewsCorp, railed against Texas’ controversial new abortion law Friday, calling it a “blunder” and a “misfire.”

In a piece titled “Texas’ Abortion Law Blunder,” the paper’s editorial board made clear that it still had still some skepticism and criticism left over for the pro-choice side, but took on the anti-abortion law and its proponents directly.

“America is back fighting its endless legal war over abortion,” the board wrote. “A new front opened late Wednesday when five Justices issued an unsigned opinion declining to block a Texas law banning abortion after six weeks. Cue the hysterics about the end of abortion rights. But this law is a misfire even if you oppose abortion, and neither side should be confident the law will be upheld.”

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:08:06am

If you’re into sludgy industrial music, here’s Ms. Machine, a female trio from Japan:

MS MACHINE: Sonic Unrest Vol. 2

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:08:07am

re: #72 jeffreyw

re: #135 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Western good morning!

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:11:08am

re: #149 Rightwingconspirator

Beautiful.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:15:59am

The Bible is trending with Bette Midler on Twitter.

That comes from the Family Research Council getting dragged this morning.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:16:30am

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

We call the period where Christians ruled The Dark Ages for a reason.

You mean the last four centuries or so in Europe? They don’t seem so bad to me… unless you prefer “a world lit only by fire,” of course,

(Kindly spare us all the bon mots about the flaws of that period unless you have an example of a flawless society to offer. I’m pretty sure most of us are pretty clear on them, since we talk about them all the time.)

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:17:42am

re: #150 PhillyPretzel

Thanks.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:24:45am

re: #152 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

You mean the last four centuries or so in Europe? They don’t seem so bad to me… unless you prefer “a world lit only by fire,” of course,

(Kindly spare us all the bon mots about the flaws of that period unless you have an example of a flawless society to offer. I’m pretty sure most of us are pretty clear on them, since we talk about them all the time.)

The last four centuries of Christian rule in Europe don’t seem so bad to you? The enslavement of Africa, the genocide of Native Americans, rampant antisemitism resulting in endless pogroms and finally the Holocaust, &c?

Only in the last few decades has Christianity been on a steep decline in western Europe, mostly post-WW2. In the late XX Century and this one, religious/nationalist wars continued in the Balkans, Poland is reverting back to authoritarian religious rule backed by the Catholic Church, while Ireland threw off the shackles of Catholic rule and started pushing aside their barbaric laws on abortion and women’s rights.

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:26:47am

re: #152 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

(Kindly spare us all the bon mots about the flaws of that period unless you have an example of a flawless society to offer. I’m pretty sure most of us are pretty clear on them, since we talk about them all the time.)

If you’re willing to accept the occasional human sacrifice (okay, more than occasional. but.)… the Aztecs had tequila, cocaine, chocolate, popcorn, and indoor plumbing. Not much winter in most of their territory, they could dress in feathers. And a game very much like basketball (except that if your team lost they were killed. but MOTIVATION!)

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:27:48am

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Morality also changes over the course of time.

The ancient Spartans had no qualms about practicing infanticide as a crude form of eugenics, nor did they have any problems with humping little boys (eros). Or hunting and killing slaves for sport.

Needless to say, such behavior would be almost universally condemned today.

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:29:52am

From the Pearls Before Swine group on facebook:

Stephen originally had these scheduled to run the week of inauguration, and then January 6th happened. The syndicate decided they were a bit too hot to publish at the time, and postponed the series until this past week. Enjoy!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:30:08am

How could this be? Our Covid-19 reporting map looks like the T-Mobile coverage map for this state (a big blank).

Nebraska doctor called 23 hospitals before finding ICU bed for seriously ill patient (Omaha World-Herald)

There is still no state dashboard or risk maps after they were pulled by the governor on June 30, only weekly summary reports for the whole state. Areas of less than 20,000 people are still banned from making reports (allegedly due to HIPAA, which is a Ricketts lie about how HIPAA works).

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:31:48am

re: #155 sagehen

If you’re willing to accept the occasional human sacrifice (okay, more than occasional. but.)… the Aztecs had tequila, cocaine, chocolate, popcorn, and indoor plumbing. Not much winter in most of their territory, they could dress in feathers. And a game very much like basketball (except that if your team lost they were killed. but MOTIVATION!)

The key study on the conquest of the Valley of Mexico pretty much concluded that no two antagonists deserved each other more than the Aztecs and Cortez.

amazon.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:34:10am

re: #158 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The doctor in question notes the man was a personal friend, and part of his so-called “pandemic pod.”

As a reminder, the idea of “pods” to protect yourself from Covid-19 is a nonsense wishful thinking idea with an airborne disease you can catch from any Ivermectin-swilling person you happen to pass.

LINCOLN — It was clear soon after Mark McConnaughey arrived at the Nemaha County Hospital, seriously ill from a suspected COVID-19 infection, that he needed to be transferred to a bigger hospital, one with ventilators, a trauma team and an intensive care unit.

But what happened next had never happened in the 25-year career of Dr. Michael Zaruba, who was staffing the emergency room that night.

Call after call, to hospitals from Lincoln to North Platte, from Omaha to Topeka, ended with the same response: We don’t have a bed in our ICU. As the doctor and an assistant worked to stabilize McConnaughey, they kept calling. Same response.

Zaruba said that, in all, 23 hospitals were called. All full.

Finally, at about 3 a.m. on Aug. 18 — about five hours after the 57-year-old farmer and metalworker had arrived at the Auburn hospital — he was life-flighted to Des Moines, where Mercy One Medical Center had agreed to admit him. He died there.

Zaruba said Thursday that he still struggles to talk about what happened — a problem the state moved to address earlier this week.

“I’ve practiced medicine for 25 years. I never dreamed I’d be in a situation where I couldn’t transfer a patient to a hospital that was close,” he said. “Worse, Mark was one of my very best friends.”

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JC1  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:37:16am

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Original intent was to allow authorities to separate drug dealers and other serial criminals from the fruits of their crimes, but it is just too tempting a target for petty officials.

Original intent was to separate pirate captains from their ships if they wouldn’t show up in person to challenge the seizure; civil forfeiture was actually used during the early days of the US. But, yeah, it got stupid during the war on drugs and is clearly unconstitutional, regardless of what the goal was.

Some professional gamblers I know, who often travel with lots of cash, will literally drive out of their way to avoid crossing certain states. That this happened in NV is shocking, as it’s not uncommon to have people with 100k+ cash on them in Vegas. Probably why the cops used adoption and got the feds involved. The guy will get his money back, but it’s a total free roll for the cops.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:41:06am

re: #161 JC1

Original intent was to separate pirate captains from their ships if they wouldn’t show up in person to challenge the seizure; civil forfeiture was actually used during the early days of the US. But, yeah, it got stupid during the war on drugs and is clearly unconstitutional, regardless of what the goal was.

Privateering is still constitutional if the government issues you a Letter of Marque and Reprisal. That could be the State of Texas’s next step.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:46:50am

I would argue God is pro choice.

If He truly never wanted us to have control of anything He would have, like, struck down Eve before she could eat from the apple or even stop the snake from entering the garden of Eden.

But He didn’t.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:49:10am

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Coincidentally, I’m reading Radley Balko’s “Rise of the Warrior Cop” (late to the party is my brand) and it’s just getting to the birth of the concept of “civil asset forfeiture”. Fucking infuriating. The “TaXaTiOn Is ThEfT” dudes never seem to utter a peep about the literal theft that police officers can and do commit with impunity.

If you’ve not read “Rise…” I highly recommend it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:51:45am

re: #162 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Rep. Ron Paul repeatedly entered bills in Congress to authorise the President to issue Letters of Marque and Reprisal. He did so immediately after the September 11 attack, again in 2007 over the same attack (both times arguing the attacks amounted to air piracy), and in 2009 to retaliate against Somali pirates.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:54:33am

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

We all have a personal religious sense, even us atheists. It shapes our morals. I am not a believer at all but I think that my Christian upbringing has played a role in shaping my moral sense.

But I also recall a moment in Catholic catechism when the Monsignor came to visit and the nun teaching the class knelt to kiss his ring.

Even as an eight-year-old kid, that bothered me and I thought, “This is not what we do in America!”. That was the time of Civil Rights and Equal Rights and those also shaped my sense of right and wrong.

But when you start talking about religious institutions, then you are starting to talk about political entities. That is a whole other matter, they should be kept as far away from politics as possible.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:55:54am

re: #165 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

So not to make a joke of it he wanted us to pirate the Somali pirates.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:57:19am

re: #152 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

You mean the last four centuries or so in Europe? They don’t seem so bad to me… unless you prefer “a world lit only by fire,” of course,

(Kindly spare us all the bon mots about the flaws of that period unless you have an example of a flawless society to offer. I’m pretty sure most of us are pretty clear on them, since we talk about them all the time.)

I can point to societies that didn’t commit genocide on three continents while enslaving millions. Arguably the only society which even comes close to the mass slaughter committed by Christians are the Mongols.

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JC1  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:58:26am

re: #167 PhillyPretzel

So not to make a joke of it he wanted us to pirate the Somali pirates.

BTW, the South Park episode dealing with the Somali pirates was brilliant. One of their best.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:58:40am

re: #167 PhillyPretzel

So not to make a joke of it he wanted us to pirate the Somali pirates.

If you’re rich, it’s not piracy. It’s “acquiring new assets”.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:59:30am

Don’t mess with genealogists:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 8:59:50am

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

If you’re rich, it’s not piracy. It’s “acquiring new assets”.

A rising tide capers all boats!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:00:04am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We all have a personal religious sense, even us atheists. It shapes our morals. I am not a believer at all but I think that my Christian upbringing has played a role in shaping my moral sense.

But I also recall a moment in Catholic catechism when the Monsignor came to visit and the nun teaching the class kneeled to kiss his ring.

Even as an eight-year-old kid, that bothered me and I thought, “This is not what we do in America!”. That was the time of Civil Rights and Equal Rights and those also shaped my sense of right and wrong.

But when you start talking about religious institutions, then you are starting to talk about political entities. That is a whole other matter, they should be kept as far away from politics as possible.

I do not have a personal religious sense, other than being a target for other people’s religious sense. I do not understand “spirituality” and I can’t get any two people to give the same definition for it. To quote Temperance Brennan of Bones: I don’t know what that means.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:01:59am

re: #171 Barefoot Grin

Don’t mess with genealogists:

LOL that should be turned into an advert against him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:02:20am

re: #173 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I do not have a personal religious sense, other than being a target for other people’s religious sense. I do not understand “spirituality” and I can’t get any two people to give the same definition for it. To quote Temperance Brennan of Bones: I don’t know what that means.

Personal and subjective. You do occasionally ponder the where and why of our existence, don’t you? And whatever conclusions you draw are your own, subjective and personal.

Please do not conflate spirituality or religious sense with any organized religion. There is overlap but they are far far from identical.

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:03:34am

re: #167 PhillyPretzel

So not to make a joke of it he wanted us to pirate the Somali pirates.

naaahh… he wanted to clear the way for Erik Prince to do it. And then ransom the oil in the tanker back to whoever.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:04:03am

re: #171 Barefoot Grin

Don’t mess with genealogists:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:06:08am

When did the US start placing limits and conditions on immigration other than isolating the criminal, mentally ill or persons with contagious diseases?

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gwangung  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:09:00am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When did the US start placing limits and conditions on immigration other than isolating the criminal, mentally ill or persons with contagious diseases?

Heh. When DIDN’T they? The era of 1965 onward is an aberration….

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:10:22am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When did the US start placing limits and conditions on immigration other than isolating the criminal, mentally ill or persons with contagious diseases?

The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. Which was… just as the name implies.

A more general, anti “everyone who’s not northern or Western European Christians” was 1924.

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Teddy's Person  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:10:55am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When did the US start placing limits and conditions on immigration other than isolating the criminal, mentally ill or persons with contagious diseases?

Here’s some info I use on my lecture slides:

Henderson v. Mayor of New York (1875)
state immigration legislation unconstitutional
immigration now a federal responsibility

Page Act of 1875
first restrictive federal immigration law
excluded “undesirable” immigrants from Asia - forced laborers, prostitutes, convicts

Chinese Exclusion Act (1882)
excluded Chinese immigrants for 10 years
renewed not repealed until 1943

Immigration Act of 1882
created federal oversight and categories of exclusion

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:12:15am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Personal and subjective. You do occasionally ponder the where and why of our existence, don’t you? And whatever conclusions you draw are your own, subjective and personal.

Please do not conflate spirituality or religious sense with any organized religion. There is overlap but they are far far from identical.

“Religious sense” is personal and subjective.

I might ponder the “where” or the “how” of our existence, but am not ashamed to say “I don’t know” if I don’t have an answer to a question. I don’t have to posit something that would violate every law of physics and chemistry discovered to posit a “how.”

I’m not conflating “spirituality” with “religion” as I don’t know what “spirituality” means. Organised religions frequently invoke the term though to define how they feel. I can’t say if they overlap or not because I do not know what “spiritual” is, and no two people can give a concrete definition for it.

As best as I can tell from the outside looking in, in the Middle Ages the term meant orienting toward the image of God (which I also don’t understand), but has expanded in modern times to be entirely a subjective experience.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:12:49am

re: #180 sagehen

The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. Which was… just as the name implies.

There was a documentary, In Search of General Tso, that goes into the history of Chinese immigration and yes, ever wonder why every town seems to have a Chinese laundry/store/restaurant?

Because the Chinese Exclusion Act made it illegal to even employ Chinese workers. They had no choice but to go into business on their own.

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gwangung  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:13:01am

re: #181 Teddy’s Person

Here’s some info I use on my lecture slides:

Chinese Exclusion Act (1882)
excluded Chinese immigrants for 10 years
renewed not repealed until 1943

But the quota for Asian countries were 100 per year until 1965.

That’s why that year is such a watershed event in Asian America…

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Teddy's Person  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:13:46am

re: #184 gwangung

But the quota for Asian countries were 100 per year until 1965.

The quotas were enacted in the 1920s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:14:37am

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“Religious sense” is personal and subjective.

I might ponder the “where” or the “how” of our existence, but am not ashamed to say “I don’t know” if I don’t have an answer to a question…

That is an entirely valid response.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:15:51am

re: #181 Teddy’s Person

Texas is going to outlaw history.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:16:05am

re: #181 Teddy’s Person

Here’s some info I use on my lecture slides:

Henderson v. Mayor of New York (1875)
state immigration legislation unconstitutional
immigration now a federal responsibility

Page Act of 1875
first restrictive federal immigration law
excluded “undesirable” immigrants from Asia - forced laborers, prostitutes, convicts

Chinese Exclusion Act (1882)
excluded Chinese immigrants for 10 years
renewed not repealed until 1943

Immigration Act of 1882
created federal oversight and categories of exclusion

So until then, all you had to do was show up, register your name at Ellis Island or San Francisco and you were good to go, right?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:17:12am

“I don’t like it here in Switzerland, the pants are too short!”
“And the cheese has got holes in it!”
“And hell, I’m a Baptist, I don’t wanna guard no Pope!”

The Immigrants—National Lampoon Radio Hour

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No Malarkey!  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:17:23am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When did the US start placing limits and conditions on immigration other than isolating the criminal, mentally ill or persons with contagious diseases?

I think it was to keep out the Chinese in the 19th century.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:19:33am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So until then, all you had to do was show up, register your name at Ellis Island or San Francisco and you were good to go, right?

Or Philadelphia, but yes.

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mmmirele  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:20:09am

re: #31 sagehen

So just rename it NXNW and move it to Seattle or Portland.

Hahahahaha…SXSW was founded by longtime Austinites (the same people who started the Austin Chronicle) and there ain’t no way they’re moving out of Austin.

Frankly, SXSW could be brought down a few pegs, IMHO. /signed former Austin resident.

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Teddy's Person  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:21:10am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So until then, all you had to do was show up, register your name at Ellis Island or San Francisco and you were good to go, right?

Ellis Island was opened in 1891. Prior to 1875, immigration was an issue for states with ports. We pretty much had open borders, and in a number of states, immigrants could vote after declaring their intent to become citizens. In the politics battles between the Federalists and Democratic-Republicans, the Dem-Reps courted the immigrant vote. One ways western territories tried to increase their populations they gave immigrants (and in some cases women) the right to vote.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:22:19am

re: #193 Teddy’s Person

So this is why people like Tucker the Fucker are telling us that immigrants are going to come and overthrow our America?

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Jay C  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:23:16am

re: #187 jaunte

Texas is going to outlaw history.

Except, rather for good proper “Texan” history, with the *right* interpretations built into the canon.

One quote I recall from reading Forget The Alamo: some Texas asshole pompously pronouncing: “Only Texas has a real “history”: all other states’ is just a record of events”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:24:10am

re: #195 Jay C

Except, rather for good proper “Texan” history, with the *right* interpretations built into the canon.

One quote I recall from reading Forget The Alamo: some Texas asshole pompously pronouncing: “Only Texas has a real “history”: all other states’ is just a record of events”.

And the Bible is the only true Scripture…and the King James Version the only true translation.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:25:32am

re: #195 Jay C

When you get a good idea of the numbers of people involved in Texas history (as taught) you realize that seldom in history have so many words been generated about the doings of such a dinky number of men.

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Jay C  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:25:58am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And the Bible is the only true Scripture…and the King James Version the only true translation.

Yeah: “Everybody should speak English: just like Jesus did in the Bible

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:26:48am

No wonder the 3-percenters believe their own propaganda.

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JC1  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:27:04am

re: #192 mmmirele

Hahahahaha…SXSW was founded by longtime Austinites (the same people who started the Austin Chronicle) and there ain’t no way they’re moving out of Austin.

Frankly, SXSW could be brought down a few pegs, IMHO. /signed former Austin resident.

Just make it part of burning man.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:28:22am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is an entirely valid response.

Thanks.

It’s something like “love.” Love has a lot of meanings and definitions for people, and as far as I can tell they are all subjective. No one can demonstrate “love,” though you can demonstrate actions which are considered evidence of love.

For example I say “I love my wife.” I can demonstrate my wife exists, that she is in fact my wife from legal documents, a public announcement in the Saguache, Colo. Crescent newspaper, we behave in ways society expects a married couple to do (live together, public PDA, saccharine nicknames, &c). But for all the evidence I can show my wife exists, I can’t show any evidence I love my wife. Only she and I know for sure. Some might show negative evidence (we don’t have wedding rings, we didn’t have a public wedding or any witnesses beyond a chipmunk, no photographs of us being wed, &c).

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And the Bible is the only true Scripture…and the King James Version the only true translation.

But only the Protestant abridged version of the King James Version, not the unabridged version (which is still available in print).

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:28:28am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:30:57am

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No Malarkey!  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:31:06am
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:34:40am

re: #187 jaunte

Texas law already dictates how “The Battle of The Alamo” is taught to 7th graders in public schools, and it is almost entirely fictional.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:35:53am

re: #205 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Yes. I was one of those seventh graders, but I figured it out.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:36:52am

One feature of imposed mythmaking is that it bores the intended audience.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:37:45am

A random quiz of Texans would find that few could name three Alamo combatants.

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Teddy's Person  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:38:23am

re: #207 jaunte

One feature of imposed mythmaking is that it bores the intended audience.

👆👆 THIS 👆👆

Fact-based history is always more interesting and entertaining.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:39:19am

re: #208 jaunte

A random quiz of Texans would find that few could name three Alamo combatants.

Bowie, Crockett and Travis. That’s it.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:39:58am

re: #209 Teddy’s Person

We had to invent the legend of ‘the yellow rose of Texas’ distracting Santa Anna during the battle of San Jacinto just to add some spice. Complete fiction.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:40:05am

re: #210 No Malarkey!

Bowie, Crockett and Travis. That’s it.

And I learned that from the John Wayne movie.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:40:17am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Speaking of marriages, my thirteenth wedding anniversary is on September 7.

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Teddy's Person  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:40:32am

Congrats to the new parents.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:41:04am

re: #212 No Malarkey!

And Bowie was confined to bed sick, a non-combatant.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:41:20am

re: #205 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Texas law already dictates how “The Battle of The Alamo” is taught to 7th graders in public schools, and it is almost entirely fictional.

I assume they watch the John Wayne movie and have a test on it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:42:19am

re: #213 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Speaking of marriages, my thirteenth wedding anniversary is on September 7.

That is as long as I stayed married, (thirteen years and three months).

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:42:31am

re: #216 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My father took us to see the Alamo movie set in Brackettville. He was a big John Wayne fan.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:43:22am
220
Dr Lizardo  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:43:25am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And the Bible is the only true Scripture…and the King James Version the only true translation.

Because of course everyone knows that Jesus spoke Shakespearean English.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:44:09am

re: #215 jaunte

And Bowie was confined to bed sick, a non-combatant.

In the John Wayne version, he frees his slave, who then volunteers to stay and fight, and dies trying to defend his former master.

In the flop Ron Howard version, Bowie sends his slave away, but reminds him that he is still property and will be expected to report to his family.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:45:05am

re: #218 jaunte

My father took us to see the Alamo movie set in Brackettville. He was a big John Wayne fan.

That was always a bit family event when it came on TV…

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JOE 🥓  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:45:20am

re: #116 Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict

*Sigh* I would love to spend all day like this but way too much stuff to do outside today. Besides, isn’t it a Lizards tradition to do all our LGF interactions in PJs?. Oh, and good morning.

[Embedded content]

I’m working my office’s leave requests today wearing a Gold’s Gym tank top and shorts…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:45:27am
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:45:51am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

Because of course everyone knows that Jesus spoke Shakespearean English.

Obviously. Marxists like to claim he was a brown middle-easterner, but we know better.

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Teddy's Person  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:45:56am

re: #213 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Speaking of marriages, my thirteenth wedding anniversary is on September 7.

The traditional theme for anniversary 13 gifts is lace. Do with that what you will. 😉

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No Malarkey!  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:46:15am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

Because of course everyone knows that Jesus spoke Shakespearean English.

Its the language of Heaven (some actually believe that).

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ckkatz  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:47:25am

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

I would argue God is pro choice.

If He truly never wanted us to have control of anything He would have, like, struck down Eve before she could eat from the poison apple or even stop the snake from entering the garden of Eden.

But He didn’t.

The concepts of G-d as the all-powerful, all-knowing, creator of everything, and the baseline for ‘Good’
versus
Freewill versus Predestination
and
‘Good’ versus ‘Evil’
have been major philosophical thought workouts throughout human history

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:47:29am

re: #225 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Very obviously, the historical Jesus had a laser-lined, close-cropped beard and a shining Rick Perry pompadour.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:49:44am
231
PhillyPretzel  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:50:17am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

re: #227 No Malarkey!

I always thought it was Aramaic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:51:29am

re: #230 No Malarkey!

It does not fit the narrative that “defunding the police” will mean abandoning our neighborhoods to the depredations of armed Mau-Mau rape and revenge gangs.

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Varek Raith  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:51:38am

Hello.

234
PhillyPretzel  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:52:15am

re: #233 Varek Raith

Long time no see. Howdy Stranger. :)

235
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:52:27am

re: #233 Varek Raith

You didn’t say Simon Says.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:52:37am

re: #233 Varek Raith

Hello.

Hey. Been offworld?

237
Varek Raith  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:53:31am

Haha, feels like I’ve been offworld. :D
Still can’t get twitter to say why my account is suspended. *shrugs*

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ckkatz  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:55:25am

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

A major problem the 16th-19th century horse cavalry had was slashing (curved sabres) or poking (straight sabres) people without losing their swords or injuring their sword arm. It took a lot of training.

And it was orders of magnitude more difficult if the enemy fought back. Plus horses had a deep reluctance to do dangerous stuff like run into walls of spears/pikes/bayonets.

The US went very quickly to using cavalry as firearm-ed skirmishers, raiders, and scouts. It took Europeans a lot longer to get there.

239
PhillyPretzel  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:55:29am

re: #237 Varek Raith

VB had a problem like that. I think she got back on by changing her account name.

240
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:57:20am

re: #226 Teddy’s Person

The traditional theme for anniversary 13 gifts is lace. Do with that what you will. 😉

Mix it with my arsenic water?

241
ckkatz  Sep 4, 2021 • 9:57:42am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

Because of course everyone knows that Jesus spoke Shakespearean English.

And had blonde hair.

242
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:01:34am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is as long as I stayed married, (thirteen years and three months).

My wife is on her third marriage, I’m on my second.

We’ve both been married longer to each other than our previous spouses.

I think we’ve kind of grown on each other.

243
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:02:05am

re: #241 ckkatz

And had blonde hair.

And rode a dinosaur.

244
Dr Lizardo  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:05:46am

re: #241 ckkatz

And had blonde hair.

Yep. Looked like Jeffrey Hunter, by all accounts.

245
Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:05:47am

re: #233 Varek Raith

Hello.

Good morning.

246
Dopamine Fish  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:05:54am

re: #242 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

My wife is on her third marriage, I’m on my second.

We’ve both been married longer to each other than our previous spouses.

I think we’ve kind of grown on each other.

Mrs. Fish and I are celebrating 13 years as well, two weeks after you two.

Congratulations, and may you have many more years of happiness.

247
ckkatz  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:06:08am

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248
Varek Raith  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:07:26am

Man, the pneumococcal and tetnus vaccines hurt more than the phizer ones did. Whee
:D
:(

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:07:40am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So until then, all you had to do was show up, register your name at Ellis Island or San Francisco and you were good to go, right?

Ellis Island didn’t open until 1892. It was only of interest to the authorities because NY was already a big city, and lots of ships landed there. Same with Boston. On the West Coast, or the northern or southern borders, you didn’t even have to register your name. You just walked in.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:11:27am

re: #249 sagehen

Ellis Island didn’t open until 1892. It was only of interest to the authorities because NY was already a big city, and lots of ships landed there. Same with Boston. On the West Coast, or the northern or southern borders, you didn’t even have to register your name. You just walked in.

We came in from a Canadian landing, Halifax IRRC. We went pretty straight to NY. (And we did lose an O’ along the way.)

251
Dopamine Fish  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:13:03am

re: #250 Decatur Deb

We came in from a Canadian landing, Halifax IRRC. We went pretty straight to NY. (And we did lose an O’ along the way.)

My family mostly arrived through Philadelphia, with the exception of the German side of my mother’s family. They were Hessians who opted to stay after the Revolutionary War. Our family’s name gave people then the same problems people now have, so as my distant relatives fanned out across the country, they spread like 6 different spellings of the name.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:15:11am

re: #251 Dopamine Fish

My family mostly arrived through Philadelphia, with the exception of the German side of my mother’s family. They were Hessians who opted to stay after the Revolutionary War. Our family’s name gave people then the same problems people now have, so as my distant relatives fanned out across the country, they spread like 6 different spellings of the name.

My mother and her brother spelled the name differently. Birth registrars and the US Army screwed it up so routinely that he just went with the common error.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:16:12am

re: #246 Dopamine Fish

Mrs. Fish and I are celebrating 13 years as well, two weeks after you two.

Congratulations, and may you have many more years of happiness.

And congratulations to you as well.

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:16:17am

re: #208 jaunte

A random quiz of Texans would find that few could name three Alamo combatants.

aw, c’mon. I’m not even Texan and even I know Davy Crockett, Bowie, and Travis whosiwhatsit.

255
Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:17:30am

re: #254 sagehen

aw, c’mon. I’m not even Texan and even I know Davy Crockett, Bowie, and Travis whosiwhatsit.

A large enough sample of Texans will find several who can name 3 or more on the Mexican team.

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Varek Raith  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:20:39am

Odd…the name change on my twitter account worked. I have access again…
What the hell. :D

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:22:17am

re: #226 Teddy’s Person

The traditional theme for anniversary 13 gifts is lace. Do with that what you will. 😉

Corsets have laces. As do roller skates.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:37:11am

re: #233 Varek Raith

Hey - still got that pic of a magical girl carrying a huge bomb?

259
FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 4, 2021 • 10:50:38am

re: #238 ckkatz

A major problem the 16th-19th century horse cavalry had was slashing (curved sabres) or poking (straight sabres) people without losing their swords or injuring their sword arm. It took a lot of training.

And it was orders of magnitude more difficult if the enemy fought back. Plus horses had a deep reluctance to do dangerous stuff like run into walls of spears/pikes/bayonets.

The US went very quickly to using cavalry as firearm-ed skirmishers, raiders, and scouts. It took Europeans a lot longer to get there.

US did light dragoons from the get-go (American Revolution). And never quite carried the cavalry numbers to really start making up any of the various more complex cavalry formations (lancers, hussars, heavy, etc.) that the European armies had. And the US generally didn’t have the terrain and supporting logistics to field large numbers of cavalry either in addition to the military budget to do so.

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JOE 🥓  Sep 4, 2021 • 5:08:12pm

re: #180 sagehen

The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. Which was… just as the name implies.

A more general, anti “everyone who’s not northern or Western European Christians” was 1924.

Just a reminder of how one Leslie Charteris was treated by the Chinese Exclusion Act…and California’s anti-Chinese laws. Just in case you didn’t know, Leslie Charteris was the creator of this literary figure…

Charteris himself wasn’t far removed from his character. Born in Singapore to an English mother and Chinese father, he had an exceptional education culminating in studies at Kings College, Cambridge. He relocated to the United States in 1932, where he continued to publish short stories and got a job writing for Paramount Pictures. He naturally found his way to Palm Springs. (Charteris was excluded from permanent residency in the United States because of the Chinese Exclusion Act, which was particularly pernicious in California, and prohibited immigration for persons of “fifty percent or greater Oriental blood.” As a result, Charteris was forced to continually renew his six-month temporary visitor’s visa. Eventually, an act of Congress personally granted him the right of permanent residence in the United States, with eligibility for naturalization, which he later completed.)

desertsun.com

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2021 • 7:02:31pm

re: #14 darthstar

Still in learning Don’t Dream it’s Over by Crowded House (one of my wife’s favorite songs) stunning pattern is almost identical to Brown Eyed Girl by Van Morrison. Love how my instructor makes learning new songs easy

Wow, typing on my phone really fucks up a post.


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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 210905Not having that third solar panel for 3 weeks, it’s clear now that we definitely needed the upgrade when we decided in November. 3 puts us over the top of more electricity than consumption. Still no ETA so we turned ...
Dangerman
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Evangelicals and the Limits of Evangelical EmpathyLink to the article at: alternet.org She writes of her own experience where she turned against evangelicals. Here are the critical paragraphs to think about. And this will bring me to the ongoing evangelical moral panic over exvangelicals, those who ...
JOE 🥓
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How Did the United States Treat the Creator of…The SaintJust a reminder of how one Leslie Charteris was treated by the Chinese Exclusion Act…and California’s anti-Chinese laws. Just in case you didn’t know, Leslie Charteris was the creator of this literary figure… Charteris himself wasn’t far removed from his ...
JOE 🥓
2 weeks, 5 days ago
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