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1
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 10, 2021 • 7:36:16pm

Just racking up credit for time served

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2021 • 7:40:55pm

re: #1 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Just racking up credit for time served

Games and prizes. Games and prizes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 10, 2021 • 7:44:49pm

When it became acceptable to torture suspected terrorists, it became acceptable to cage migrant children. And it became acceptable to murder black citizens like Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, Philando Castile, Breonna Taylor, etc. because “we’re in a war!”

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darthstar  Sep 10, 2021 • 7:52:49pm

re: #1 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Just racking up credit for time served

Didn’t that asshole get four years?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 10, 2021 • 7:54:44pm

Great Brexit is not what it used to be:

Supermarket shortages may last ‘FOREVER’

The DailyFail’s full headline is too long copy, as is the article, but the bottom line is that the shortage of long-haul drivers means not only empty shelves but that small farmers are suffering.

The idea that this is permanent is based around the problems of cheap labor, upon which both farming and distribution depend to make on-demand products year-round affordable.

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darthstar  Sep 10, 2021 • 7:55:19pm

re: #3 DodgerFan1988

Olbermann had always been one of my favorite political commentators. Sure he can be a bit hyperbolic at times, but he doesn’t hold back.

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retired cynic  Sep 10, 2021 • 7:56:40pm

re: #5 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Sounds like the US in some places and some fields.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 10, 2021 • 7:58:34pm

Meanwhile in Northern Ireland, the DUP are acting like a mob boss and threatening the very institution of Stormont and the Good Friday Agreement.

DUP threatens to collapse Stormont ‘before November’ amid protocol row

and

DUP threat to bring down institutions ‘creates new challenges’, Taoiseach says

Jeffrey Donaldson announced today his party’s immediate withdrawal from cross-border political institutions established on the island of Ireland under the Good Friday peace agreement.

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EPR-radar  Sep 10, 2021 • 7:58:35pm

re: #3 DodgerFan1988

When it became acceptable to torture suspected terrorists, it became acceptable to cage migrant children. And it became acceptable to murder black citizens like Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, Philando Castile, Breonna Taylor, etc. because “we’re in a war!”

Unfortunately, private or police murder of black people being acceptable (or even celebrated) in the US long predates 9/11.

IMO the US reaction to 9/11 was a major milestone of the march of the US right to fascism, not its origin story.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:00:32pm

re: #7 retired cynic

Sounds like the US in some places and some fields.

Definitely.

The whole idea of anything-we-want-at-any-time-we-want can only exist if there are global markets supported by cheap labor.

Without cheap labor (read: near slavery), we have to live seasonally and pay more (and waste less.)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:02:43pm

re: #4 darthstar

Didn’t that asshole get four years?

Sentencing in November

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austin_blue  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:09:13pm

re: #8 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Meanwhile in Northern Ireland, the DUP are acting like a mob boss and threatening the very institution of Stormont and the Good Friday Agreement.

DUP threatens to collapse Stormont ‘before November’ amid protocol row

and

DUP threat to bring down institutions ‘creates new challenges’, Taoiseach says

It’s almost like the DUP wants to blame the Republic for Brexit instead of the Tories who pushed for Brexit. This was all predicted before the DUP formed a Government with the Tories. And they still joined a coalition with the Leopards Eating Your Face Party.

Fuck ‘em. They trusted Boris Fucking Johnson with their economy? Suffer you POMEy bastards. You got played and now your economy is an omnishambles.

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retired cynic  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:11:28pm

re: #12 austin_blue

Except it is likely to get ugly. Uglier. Violent.

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austin_blue  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:18:54pm

re: #13 retired cynic

Except it is likely to get ugly. Uglier. Violent.

Well, yes, of course it will. What covers the skin are still scabs, not scars. The Proddy’s still hate the fucking Papists and the Papists hate the fucking Proddy bastards.

Tribes. But good Christians, every one. God bless ‘em. Now Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

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JOE 🥓  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:19:04pm

re: #4 darthstar

Didn’t that asshole get four years?

That freak should have gotten 40 with no parole.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:24:23pm

re: #15 JOE 🥓

That freak should have gotten 40 with no parole.

They all should. No slaps on wrists. Prison time. Full stop.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:41:11pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:42:02pm

re: #5 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Speaking long term, does this ultimately end with the UK rejoining the EU?

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Citizen K  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:44:14pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Speaking long term, does this ultimately end with the UK rejoining the EU?

The question there would be if the EU would take them back after all this.

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JOE 🥓  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:48:56pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Speaking long term, does this ultimately end with the UK rejoining the EU?

After all the shit Nigel Farage said in the European Parliament I doubt that the UK will be let back in. But when Scotland divorces the UK they will be gladly welcomed!

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:49:23pm

re: #17 Belafon

What is truly terrifying is that this is reminiscent of the second wave in 1918: the disease struck the young (young adults — not necessarily this young) and took many in a day. We are not prepared for a variant that moves so quickly. This may be a fluke rather than a harbinger — perhaps this child was particularly susceptible for some undetermined reason.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:49:55pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:51:06pm

re: #5 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Great Brexit is not what it used to be:

Supermarket shortages may last ‘FOREVER’

The DailyFail’s full headline is too long copy, as is the article, but the bottom line is that the shortage of long-haul drivers means not only empty shelves but that small farmers are suffering.

The idea that this is permanent is based around the problems of cheap labor, upon which both farming and distribution depend to make on-demand products year-round affordable.

It’s permanent in the sense that without a class of “cheap” labor to endlessly exploit, late-stage capitalist societies inevitably begin to break down as all the “big, important jobs” at the top depend upon all the “jobs nobody want” being done. Brexit did to the UK what Trump’s immigration policies did here: Chased off the “cheap” labor, which was patched over for a time before COVID revealed just how hollow the system can be once the “native-born” labor finally does what they’ve been told all their lives and sought out better-paying jobs.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 10, 2021 • 8:53:02pm

re: #5 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Great Brexit is not what it used to be:

Supermarket shortages may last ‘FOREVER’

The DailyFail’s full headline is too long copy, as is the article, but the bottom line is that the shortage of long-haul drivers means not only empty shelves but that small farmers are suffering.

The idea that this is permanent is based around the problems of cheap labor, upon which both farming and distribution depend to make on-demand products year-round affordable.

Middlemen have this weird ability to convince themselves they don’t need labor.

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austin_blue  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:01:32pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Speaking long term, does this ultimately end with the UK rejoining the EU?

Not with a Tory government in charge. Why would the EU even *want* them?

With every day that goes by, the loss of the EU as a trading partner is softened by the realization that they really didn’t supply much of anything that couldn’t be shifted sideways and made by others. Finance is going to Germany. Agriculture can be moved to any number of places on the Continent.

Now, airplane wings for Airbus are a problem. But the Germans and the French are ready to stand in and replace the English within two years.

The UK is going to lose Scotland in two years, and Northern Ireland is looking shaky, because the Unionists in the North, who hate the idea of reuniting with the Republic, are just beginning to realize how fucked they are to be out of the EU. Wales? We’ll see. They have always hated the English, however.

The UK will disappear and England will be a smaller, much poorer country after the inevitable long-term real estate collapse because of the flight of wealth from the country.

Who wants to live in quaint, economically isolated country with thatched-roof cottages?

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:02:10pm

Here’s my question to all the wingnuts and “moderates” alike about where are all the robots that they said would be brought in to replace workers if we ever raised the minimum wage. I mean that’s been something treated as a “fact” for most of my life, that if you insist on paying people a decent wage, then businesses will just start automating all the work until nobody has a job. So where’s the robotic hamburger flippers or the android housekeepers?

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sagehen  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:02:22pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Speaking long term, does this ultimately end with the UK rejoining the EU?

Define “long term”.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:03:41pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Speaking long term, does this ultimately end with the UK rejoining the EU?

I doubt it. A scrambled egg cannot be undone.

Now, perhaps some many years in the future, when the cascading disasters of the 21st century really start to cause major international political changes, I suspect that the Northern Ireland arrangement as part of the UK will be untenable.

But they’ve got a ways to go before that. They will need real hardship, not just inconveniences, for the political landscape to change.

I do believe the day will come when Brits will have to make a hard decision on nationhood. The island(s) are just too small for the population to sustain itself, and if the future holds the collapse of international on-demand trade (including currencies), as some expect later in this century, the Brits will be in a corner.

Unlike here in North America, where we can go from crisis to crisis, which will be bad but not existentially threatening, island nations will find themselves moving towards desperation.

The control of food and fresh water is now the name of the game globally. I certainly expect by 2050 that this will all become obvious.

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austin_blue  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:07:03pm

re: #28 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I doubt it. A scrambled egg cannot be undone.

Now, perhaps some many years in the future, when the cascading disasters of the 21st century really start to cause major international political changes, I suspect that the Northern Ireland arrangement as part of the UK will be untenable.

But they’ve got a ways to go before that. They will need real hardship, not just inconveniences, for the political landscape to change.

I do believe the day will come when Brits will have to make a hard decision on nationhood. The island(s) are just too small for the population to sustain itself, and if the future holds the collapse of international on-demand trade (including currencies), as some expect later in this century, the Brits will be in a corner.

Unlike here in North America, where we can go from crisis to crisis, which will be bad but not existentially threatening, island nations will find themselves moving towards desperation.

The control of food and fresh water is now the name of the game globally. I certainly expect by 2050 that this will all become obvious.

Excellent points. I think you are spot on. Whiskey’s for drinkin’ and water’s for fightin’.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:07:51pm

Here’s my prediction (write it down, hold me accountable if I am still alive):

The next great international war, a “WWIII” if you will, happens because of the need to control the remaining major food production areas of the globe not under US dominance.

That means Africa below the Sahara, and South America, and to a lesser extent south-east Asia. Those are the food production areas outside of North America upon which billions of people will depend.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:09:41pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Here’s my question to all the wingnuts and “moderates” alike about where are all the robots that they said would be brought in to replace workers if we ever raised the minimum wage. I mean that’s been something treated as a “fact” for most of my life, that if you insist on paying people a decent wage, then businesses will just start automating all the work until nobody has a job. So where’s the robotic hamburger flippers or the android housekeepers?

You can’t fuck over a robot by changing the conditions of its service or applying coercion.

When it fails, it fails in ways that require specific fixes that cost understood quantities of cash…which is a disadvantage compared to nearly-infinitely-replaceable unskilled labor distributed around the entire world.

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sagehen  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:09:56pm

Depending how climate change goes, Siberia could turn out to be a grand agricultural region.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:10:59pm

Also you can’t shift liability to the robot when it fucks up and maims somebody.

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darthstar  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:12:54pm

re: #21 Hecuba’s daughter

What is truly terrifying is that this is reminiscent of the second wave in 1918: the disease struck the young (young adults — not necessarily this young) and took many in a day. We are not prepared for a variant that moves so quickly. This may be a fluke rather than a harbinger — perhaps this child was particularly susceptible for some undetermined reason.

That girl is dead, in part, because of the inaction by Greg Abbott.

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austin_blue  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:15:32pm

re: #30 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Here’s my prediction (write it down, hold me accountable if I am still alive):

The next great international war, as “WWIII” if you will, happens because of the need to control the remaining major food production areas of the globe not under US dominance.

That means Africa below the Sahara, and South America, and to a lesser extent south-east Asia. Those are the food production areas outside of North America upon which billions of people will depend.

It’ll be driven by water refugees seeking to slake their thirst. One of the little talked-about causes of the Syrian civil war is a ten year drought. They could not feed themselves and the Government in Damascus was useless and lost the support of the populace.

Bang. Bang. Bang.

Lebanon is in a similar crisis. They have no government. It’s a failed state.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:16:56pm

re: #32 sagehen

Depending how climate change goes, Siberia could turn out to be a grand agricultural region.

Lacks the insolation. And while short season crops may be possible, the soils are bad in most places (barely existent in many places.)

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William Lewis  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:17:21pm

re: #29 austin_blue

Excellent points. I think you are spot on. Whiskey’s for drinkin’ and water’s for fightin’.

It is why the great lakes must be defended at all costs against people who would send the water elsewhere.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:19:29pm

re: #37 William Lewis

It is why the great lakes must be defended at all costs against people who would send the water elsewhere.

Dam the St. Lawrence seaway!!

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BeachDem  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:21:01pm

re: #6 darthstar

Olbermann had always been one of my favorite political commentators. Sure he can be a bit hyperbolic at times, but he doesn’t hold back.

Keith’s speech at Cornell in 1998 is one of my favorites, when he talks about “moral force.”

It’s such a simple thing, really. It’s an awareness that the other people in the world are other people, and that you are one of them. That every time you have a chance to help somebody out, to do what’s right instead of what you think you’re supposed to do, you should do it.

countdownlibrary.com

He’s done some pretty amazing 9/11 Special Comments as well. From 2006.

This Hole In The Ground - Special Comment - 2006-09-11 Countdown with Keith Olbermann

Yeah, I really miss a nightly visit with Keith.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:22:21pm
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austin_blue  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:28:12pm

re: #37 William Lewis

It is why the great lakes must be defended at all costs against people who would send the water elsewhere.

I lived in Marquette for three years. I am *so* with you on this. The Yoopers were one of the strangest breeds of Americans I have ever known, but I just loved ‘em. The way they live, the melding of the lifestyles of their various ethnic groups, well, you just have to see it to believe it.

Be prepared to drink. A lot.

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gocart mozart  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:39:54pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:40:45pm

People are weird, man.

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:42:12pm

re: #40 Punish Domestic Terrorists

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“King Biden” waited for 9+ months before finally beginning to take action beyond just pleading with people to get vaccinated and mask up. Despite all the scaremongering, no “vaccine passports” exist nor are people being segregated and carted off to camps for refusing to get the jab. And what it took for him to just order OSHA to start requiring businesses to vaccinate their staff…was for things to get even worse than they were a year ago when no vaccines existed.

“Freedom,” my lily white ass.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:43:52pm

“World Wars” isn’t a meaningful category anymore, because it’s very unlikely that we’re going to see a world power arise that has to conquer land by overrunning it with soldiers, so the cycle of conquest, defense, and drawing in of allies to increase scale of conflict isn’t going to repeat in an identical form. One and Two were structured by colonialism and empire—the existing empires bashing heads against upstarts that were doing Super Turbo Colonialism (but less skilled at hiding genocide)—and the resources that made it a “World War” were only available because of colonialism.

Our society is now neo-colonial—make the poor people in other countries work for you by controlling their economies and their politics, mostly through debt and aid—and neo-liberal—treat the poor people in your own country like you used to treat your colonial subjects, maxing their output while continuously reducing their share—and wars have reflected this. Now we intervene in broken countries—coincidentally ones that used to be colonies—just enough to keep the raw materials flowing cheap; there’s got to be a ruling class stable enough to sign on the line for massive international loans (where all the money disappears) in return for “free” trade (where the very valuable raw materials immediately enter the international market at a low price, thus allowing for consumers in developed countries to have cheap shit to buy).

Iraq was the Ultimate Neocolonial Bullshit Rodeo—beat the dictator so you can look good and then liberate the non-renewable resources via privatization, then get paid to rebuild the shit you just bombed—but, credit where it’s due, the diamond, the pure example, has got to be what the French pulled in the CAR with Bokassa.

Indeed, what we’ve done is invented a new form of war in which there’s just a continuous drip-feed death toll paired with the titanic economic pressure that means that there’s no reason to take over a country when you can just prop up strong men in the capitol and run armored vehicles along the critical roads that carry cobalt ore or oil.

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:44:10pm

re: #42 gocart mozart

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It’s located behind the door with the sign saying “Beware of the Leopard.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:44:15pm

re: #34 darthstar

That girl is dead, in part, because of the inaction by Greg Abbott.

And once again tonight, Bill Maher was on his crusade that deaths are primarily among those who are overweight — that Covid is not particularly deadly among healthy people with the appropriate BMI and strong immune systems. At least he isn’t personally discouraging people from being vaccinated. But his attitude doesn’t help persuade the vaccine reluctant of the necessity of vaccination.

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austin_blue  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:46:59pm

re: #43 teleskiguy

People are weird, man.

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In those shoes?

I don’t think he’d survive.

I said baby, let’s do it.

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sagehen  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:48:48pm

re: #47 Hecuba’s daughter

And once again tonight, Bill Maher was on his crusade that deaths are primarily among those who are overweight — that Covid is not particularly deadly among healthy people with the appropriate BMI and strong immune systems. At least he isn’t personally discouraging people from being vaccinated. But his attitude doesn’t help persuade the vaccine reluctant of the necessity of vaccination.

It’s about fat people, it’s about people who eat poorly, it’s about people who don’t exercise…. and “no one ever talks about this”, conveniently ignoring that this was Michelle Obama’s signature issue that the conservatives would not fucking shut up stop whining about for eight goddamn years.

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:50:47pm

re: #47 Hecuba’s daughter

And once again tonight, Bill Maher was on his crusade that deaths are primarily among those who are overweight — that Covid is not particularly deadly among healthy people with the appropriate BMI and strong immune systems. At least he isn’t personally discouraging people from being vaccinated. But his attitude doesn’t help persuade the vaccine reluctant of the necessity of vaccination.

Maher’s always been a self-righteous asshole, and his attitude towards COVID has only helped reinforce that. When he was asked to either isolate or take precautions like masking, he bitched that it was inconveniencing him that events he wanted to attend were being canceled and businesses he was used to frequenting were either closed or restricted. And when the vaccines became available, he made a big scene of getting the jab, but has since bitched that things didn’t magically go back to “normal” on his time schedule.

When he bitches about the only people dying being the obese and sickly, he’s just engaging in the same sort of social Darwinist claptrap that his ideological opponents did last year to argue that we should just gamble that grandma makes it through the plague so we can all “go back to normal.”

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sagehen  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:57:48pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

When he bitches about the only people dying being the obese and sickly, he’s just engaging in the same sort of social Darwinist claptrap that his ideological opponents did last year to argue that we should just gamble that grandma makes it through the plague so we can all “go back to normal.”

Also… 70% of the US is medically considered overweight, and close to 40% are obese. So the fat people having a higher mortality rate… they’re not some marginal fringe demographic, it’s pretty much in line with the general population.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:58:19pm

Back home. Neighbors told me there’s been bears in the yard.

I’ve never seen bears in my yard.

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sagehen  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:59:08pm

Of course not. They were waiting for you to get out of their way.

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austin_blue  Sep 10, 2021 • 9:59:42pm

Once again, the overlay of Afghanistan against the eastern United States.

indexmundi.com

Trump dropped our troops to 2,500 in January. Who thinks that 2,500 troops could have held that territory in any way, shape, or form?

If you answer this, please show your work. Be specific.

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gocart mozart  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:01:30pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

It was an homage to Douglas Adams and not plagiarism

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:01:37pm

Maher’s just doing a libertarian version of America’s fixation on eugenics as the ultimate gameification of life. We like winners so much that we invent forms of winning just to have the feeling. It’s a pretty good cultural adaptation if you need to, as a collective, never talk about how all the land you have isn’t yours, or how much un-free labor was required to make a few people free.

The people who died chose to die and therefore the disease, completely indifferent to human qualities, is actually just another form of point scoring.

The vice being displayed is cultural and more fundamental than ideology.

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gocart mozart  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:02:41pm

The trope about black people vaccine hesitancy needs to die.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:04:18pm

hi

I won’t stay long tonight, as we are leaving in the morning for Ashton, Nebr. for the Polish Heritage Festival. I hope to have photographs when I return. There will be much buying of Polish-style meats and cheeses for our return.

Hurricane Larry Tropical Cyclone Update
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL122021
1150 PM AST Fri Sep 10 2021

…LARRY MAKES LANDFALL ON NEWFOUNDLAND…

Recent satellite, radar and surface data indicate that Larry has
made landfall in Newfoundland near South East Bight at 1145 PM AST
(0345 UTC), with maximum sustained winds of 80 mph (130 km/h) and
an estimated minimum pressure of 960 mb (28.35 inches).

SUMMARY OF 1150 PM AST…0350 UTC…INFORMATION
———————————————————————
LOCATION…47.4N 54.5W
ABOUT 85 MI…135 KM WSW OF ST JOHNS NEWFOUNDLAND
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS…80 MPH…130 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT…NNE OR 030 DEGREES AT 47 MPH…76 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE…960 MB…28.35 INCHES

Elsewhere, the tropical wave in the Gulf of Honduras has made landfall in Yucatan. It is expected to move into the Gulf of Mexico and intensify. It is now given an 80% chance of developing into a tropical system in five days, and threatens the NE coast of Mexico and the coast of Texas.

The tropical wave over Ghana has moved out over the ocean. It is moving toward the Cape Verde Islands, with the National Hurricane Center giving the storm a 70% chance of development over five days.

Five Day Graphical Tropical Outlook

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:04:21pm

re: #52 teleskiguy

Back home. Neighbors told me there’s been bears in the yard.

I’ve never seen bears in my yard.

“Flick says he saw some grizzly bears near Pulaski’s candy store.”

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JOE 🥓  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:04:31pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Maher’s always been a self-righteous asshole, and his attitude towards COVID has only helped reinforce that. When he was asked to either isolate or take precautions like masking, he bitched that it was inconveniencing him that events he wanted to attend were being canceled and businesses he was used to frequenting were either closed or restricted. And when the vaccines became available, he made a big scene of getting the jab, but has since bitched that things didn’t magically go back to “normal” on his time schedule.

When he bitches about the only people dying being the obese and sickly, he’s just engaging in the same sort of social Darwinist claptrap that his ideological opponents did last year to argue that we should just gamble that grandma makes it through the plague so we can all “go back to normal.”

He was just being his usual asshole Libertarian self and his rant about the Black National Anthem fits right in with his selfish crap.

rawstory.com

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:06:33pm

re: #47 Hecuba’s daughter

And once again tonight, Bill Maher was on his crusade that deaths are primarily among those who are overweight — that Covid is not particularly deadly among healthy people with the appropriate BMI and strong immune systems. At least he isn’t personally discouraging people from being vaccinated. But his attitude doesn’t help persuade the vaccine reluctant of the necessity of vaccination.

I hate that dick. Ever since he did that Steve Irwin costume. Ugh. Does he realize 1/3rd of America is obese?!

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:07:18pm

re: #54 austin_blue

Once again, the overlay of Afghanistan against the eastern United States.

indexmundi.com

Trump dropped our troops to 2,500 in January. Who thinks that 2,500 troops could have held that territory in any way, shape, or form?

If you answer this, please show your work. Be specific.

Realistically, we never really held all that territory even when the number of soldiers numbered in the tens of thousands. Large portions fell under the control of various warlords who were paid off to either support the Kabul government or at least not make any problems for them. And by 2015, the Taliban had not only recovered most of their losses in the previous decade and a half, they’d started regaining control of territory with every passing month. By 2020, the only thing we were doing by maintaining a presence in Afghanistan was delaying the inevitable.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:08:12pm

It’s been years since I’ve sat down and watched a full episode of Bill Maher’s show. He sucks.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:09:33pm

re: #61 GlutenFreeJesus

I hate that dick. Ever since he did that Steve Irwin costume. Ugh. Does he realize 1/3rd of America is obese?!

There are a lot of people looking for any excuse to get rid of large numbers of people without directly looking like monsters. It’s not just limited to certain members of a certain party.

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:10:00pm

re: #57 gocart mozart

The trope about black people vaccine hesitancy needs to die.

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It will stay so long as its the final fig leaf that keeps the media from admitting that the bulk of America’s remaining unvaccinated population are old, white, and Trump-loving.

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:21:31pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:23:06pm

The mother of the 4 year old Texas girl who died from Covid was unvaccinated. So it is likely that the daughter contracted it from her mother, rather than at school. The mother is infected and her 5 month old son has been hospitalized with the disease.

One comment re the Biden plan: what is being done to help those in rural communities or small towns (such as where our Anymouse lives) who do not live close to a facility that offers vaccinations? Everyone in the Chicago area is probably less than 2 miles from a place that has vaccines available on demand; but that’s not true elsewhere

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:32:18pm

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sagehen  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:33:47pm

re: #54 austin_blue

Once again, the overlay of Afghanistan against the eastern United States.

indexmundi.com

Trump dropped our troops to 2,500 in January. Who thinks that 2,500 troops could have held that territory in any way, shape, or form?

If you answer this, please show your work. Be specific.

NYC has 35,000 officers (plus another 15,000 civilian employees). And y’know, when this city gets in a mood, that ain’t enough to hold this territory.

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:57:19pm

ℹ️ ⚠️ If you see someone refer to a Swedish Doctor named Mikael Nordfors, born 1958, please be advised that individuals medical license was REVOKED the other day by the Swedish Health and Social Care Inspectorate (IVO). ⚠️ ℹ️
Reason given was “obvious unsuitability for the profession”. Sundfors has previously had his medical license revoked by the Danish Health Authority (Sundhedsstyrelsen).
Sundfors was one of the leading figures behind the protests in Sweden against the restrictions due CoViD-19. Sundfors has also spread false information about CoViD-19 vaccines. He’s also pushed HCQ on various YouTube videos (would not surprise me if he’s been pushing Ivermectin too).
expressen.se [Swedish]

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 10, 2021 • 10:59:40pm
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2021 • 11:04:51pm

re: #70 Teukka

ℹ️ ⚠️ If you see someone refer to a Swedish Doctor named Mikael Nordfors, born 1958, please be advised that individuals medical license was REVOKED the other day by the Swedish Health and Social Care Inspectorate (IVO). ⚠️ ℹ️
Reason given was “obvious unsuitability for the profession”. Sundfors has previously had his medical license revoked by the Danish Health Authority (Sundhedsstyrelsen).
Sundfors was one of the leading figures behind the protests in Sweden against the restrictions due CoViD-19. Sundfors has also spread false information about CoViD-19 vaccines. He’s also pushed HCQ on various YouTube videos (would not surprise me if he’s been pushing Ivermectin too).
expressen.se [Swedish]

I expect the response to be IT’S A CONSPIRACY TO SILENCE THE TRUTH!!! or some such fatuous nonsense.

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2021 • 11:06:56pm

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

I expect the response to be IT’S A CONSPIRACY TO SILENCE THE TRUTH!!! or some such fatuous nonsense.

Yep. Without bothering to read the article linked (and yeah, content and trigger warning on that one (twisted quack)), nor the last 10-15 years or so worth of material on Lundfors…

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unproven innocence  Sep 10, 2021 • 11:10:49pm

In the days immediately after the Towers fell, I found a few news reports that “something big” was planned for about 18 September, 2001. As we all know, something awful happened a week earlier than that.

Now, 20 years later, we have promises of some sort of re-do of that Jan 6 insurrection in DC to overthrow the US government, “scheduled for 18 September” —according to our news reporting.

Personally, I’m disinclined to trust anyone as to the “scheduling” of insurrection events of any sort.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 10, 2021 • 11:27:20pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2021 • 11:33:23pm

re: #75 Dread Pirate Ron

Pro skier Cody Townsend was afraid of this last night.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2021 • 11:52:37pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

It will stay so long as its the final fig leaf that keeps the media from admitting that the bulk of America’s remaining unvaccinated population are old, white, and Trump-loving.

That trope also exists to perpetuate racism. “See, those ni*CLANGS are stupid.”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 10, 2021 • 11:56:37pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 10, 2021 • 11:58:43pm

re: #67 Hecuba’s daughter

The mother of the 4 year old Texas girl who died from Covid was unvaccinated. So it is likely that the daughter contracted it from her mother, rather than at school. The mother is infected and her 5 month old son has been hospitalized with the disease.

One comment re the Biden plan: what is being done to help those in rural communities or small towns (such as where our Anymouse lives) who do not live close to a facility that offers vaccinations? Everyone in the Chicago area is probably less than 2 miles from a place that has vaccines available on demand; but that’s not true elsewhere

Biden’s announced plan was to encourage those who are influencers in small towns or rural areas (such as local politicians, business owners, pastors, &c) to talk to their neighbours, as they are people they trust.

The Wingnut Party went ballistic, talking about federal goons forcing their way into your homes to forcibly vaccinate you or whatnot.

The federal government only has limited authority over local health departments. GOP governors are actively working against those sorts of programmes.

Long before Biden’s proposal for local influencers to talk to people, I made a point when I got my vaccine in January to tell everyone I knew, to try to counter some of the derp. I was also honest (I felt like crap for a few days, but I’ve had way worse like the yellow fever vaccine).

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2021 • 12:07:30am

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

That trope also exists to perpetuate racism. “See, those ni*CLANGS are stupid.”

Yes and no. To the “liberal media,” they’re using the “Black folks are avoiding the vaccine too!” as a way to avoid the (rightful) blame for months of lies and falsehoods dragging out the duration of the pandemic.

To each other, “Those ni-CLANGs are avoiding the vaccine.” does capitalize on their racism, acting more as a confirmation bias that if people so “stupid” are avoiding the vaccine then there has got to be something inherently “wrong” with it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 12:52:29am
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unproven innocence  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:10:10am

Maddow reports that some service dogs are so good at “smelling Covid-19” that, if you wanted, they could be trained to alert only on a specific variant.

These Dogs Are Trained To Detect Covid Infection At Miami Airport


I’m going to miss the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:13:13am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:13:40am

re: #82 unproven innocence

Maddow reports that some service dogs are so good at “smelling Covid-19” that, if you wanted, they could be trained to alert only on a specific variant.

An MP bomb-sniffing dog had our Suburban turned inside-out at the gate to a NATO base in Italy. Finally found the Cheetos under the kids’ seat.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:18:15am

An update to the Sorry Antivaxxer article about a man named Jim Sells, who nearly died of Covid-19.

He has now turned his Facebook page into a mini-version of the antivaxxer site, and he is quite clear the banhammer is out for longtime friends still pushing antivax crap on his Facebook page.

He is quite willing to end in real life any friendships with conservatives who push it in real life as well.

This is Jim Sells, An ex-Anti-vaxxer, he lived through COVID. Now he says “Get Vaccinated!”

He’s still blaming the media, medical personnel, and politicians for not telling anyone how serious the disease is before he got it (he’s still using the conservative blame-shifting technique of “it’s not my fault”).

sorryantivaxxer.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:23:21am

COVID Anti-Vaxxers Aren’t a MAGA Death Cult — It’s Worse Than That (Tim Wise blog)

Deathbed regrets from vaccine resisters speak volumes about the brokenness of conservatism

Most recently, MSNBC’s Joy Reid and Stephen Colbert agreed with the designation during a discussion on the latter’s program. According to both, refusal to get a vaccine as the Delta variant surges, and the seeming willingness of Trump’s followers to continue risking illness or worse, qualifies such persons as members of a death cult.

There were, of course, the requisite Jim Jones analogies.

But as much as I respect both Reid and Colbert (the former is a friend whose show I’ve been on several times), this position has always been wrong.

The truth is worse — and here I am speaking specifically of those who are resisting obtaining the vaccine, rather than those whose access is limited by location, poverty or issues with mobility to a vaccine center.

and

Few of the 900-plus at Jonestown drank the Kool-Aid only to sputter at the last minute, “Oh wait, you mean it’s cyanide?! Why didn’t anyone tell me?”

The members of Heaven’s Gate didn’t don their black Nikes, take phenobarbital, tie plastic bags over their heads, cover up with shrouds, and then start praying to see another sunrise.

They laid down to die, expecting to be spirited away in a UFO behind the Hale-Bopp comet and have everlasting life.

That is a suicidal death cult.

This is different, something more dangerous, sociopathic, and sadistic — not suicidal but homicidal.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:27:39am

Rand Paul will have to find a new band.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:27:58am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:31:26am

re: #86 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

COVID Anti-Vaxxers Aren’t a MAGA Death Cult — It’s Worse Than That (Tim Wise blog)

This is different, something more dangerous, sociopathic, and sadistic — not suicidal but homicidal.
(more)

That was Ghost of a Flea’s argument a few days ago.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:32:20am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:35:19am

re: #89 Decatur Deb

That was Ghost of a Flea’s argument a few days ago.

It’s a Democrat plot to goad Republicans into killing themselves!!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:36:08am

Coming to a state near me. [0:59]

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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:38:12am

re: #91 Dread Pirate Ron

It’s a Democrat plot to goad Republicans into killing themselves!!

Republican anti-vaxxers have made me much more aware as a person. For the first time in my life I give a shit about my O2 level. (98%)

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:46:36am

My daughter who is now a HS biology teacher bought us a pulse/oximeter at the beginning of the pandemic. Oxygen has always been up but I play with the pulse rate for biofeedback. I’ve found if I manipulate my neck vertebrata back in line (I stood on my head a lot as a kid and now they look like deformed alphabet blocks stacked) I can lower my pulse rate 4-8 bpm.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:46:59am

re: #89 Decatur Deb

That was Ghost of a Flea’s argument a few days ago.

My argument was this one over a year ago: A feral conservative who will not behave other than a barbarian should be pushed out of your life. Family, friend, colleague, doesn’t matter. The are too great a risk to your health.

On a personal level, treating deniers like pariahs means banishing them, metaphorically, to the cornfield.

It means cutting them out of our lives entirely: no invitations to the cocktail party or backyard barbecue, no seat for them at the holiday table, and no invitation to the grandkid’s graduation, Little League game, or dance recital.

Refuse to speak to them, break bread with them or communicate with them in any way until they get their shit together and learn to play by the rules of public health by which rational, decent people agree to play.

Till then, they have made their ICU beds. Now they can lie in them, and sadly, die in them — completely and utterly, alone.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:48:47am

re: #94 Dread Pirate Ron

My daughter who is now a HS biology teacher bought us a pulse/oximeter at the beginning of the pandemic. Oxygen has always been up but I play with the pulse rate for biofeedback. I’ve found if I manipulate my neck vertebrata back in line (I stood on my head a lot as a kid and now they look like deformed alphabet blocks stacked) I can lower my pulse rate 4-8 bpm.

Constant low-level pain?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:53:21am

re: #95 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

It’s either dumb luck or unconscious policy, but I haven’t had any RW derp in my life since FIL died. Wife had to reach back into KY extended family to find our bug.

(One SIL is hard to keep focused, but most of his shit is put-on.)

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:55:59am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Constant low-level pain?

No pain, I just found if I get the protruding vertebrae back in line my pulse drops, they eventually move back. I used to have a roommate who had a neural biofeedback device back in 1980, so I tried it with the pulse/oximeter because I figured it would possibly work, then I noticed the relationship to me cracking my neck.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:56:23am

re: #38 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Dam the St. Lawrence seaway!!

Just have Bugs Bunny find the valve and turn off Niagara Falls.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 1:59:02am

Dominoes are falling faster.

Seven more US Capitol riot defendants plead guilty, including armed man who threatened to shoot Pelosi
cnn.com

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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 2:00:38am

re: #99 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Just have Bugs Bunny find the valve and turn off Niagara Falls.

He’s busy severing Florida, then he has to complete the Pismo Beach Tunnel.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 11, 2021 • 2:08:59am

I’m sure it’s fine, no problem.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 11, 2021 • 2:15:18am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 2:24:42am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 2:42:19am

The New York Times out normalising the Fascist Party again.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 2:44:17am

How many more companies are you going to drive away, Gov. Abbott?

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 11, 2021 • 2:52:42am

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

He doesn’t give a fuck. Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Oracle, and Apple could boycott him entirely and he’d be just fine so long as Exxon stays loyal.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:01:08am

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The author cited, Karen Swallow Prior, is a professor of English and Christianity at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Amongst other things, searches on her name will recommend articles about Paige Patterson.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:02:02am

re: #107 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

He doesn’t give a fuck. Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Oracle, and Apple could boycott him entirely and he’d be just fine so long as Exxon stays loyal.

It turns out that the entire Texas state government uses Salesforce’s cloud-based systems.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:04:34am

re: #4 darthstar

Didn’t that asshole get four years?

yeah, but he’s white…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:05:23am

Thread tearing a anti-vax doctor’s pre-print study apart.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:05:39am

re: #5 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Great Brexit is not what it used to be:

Supermarket shortages may last ‘FOREVER’

The DailyFail’s full headline is too long copy, as is the article, but the bottom line is that the shortage of long-haul drivers means not only empty shelves but that small farmers are suffering.

The idea that this is permanent is based around the problems of cheap labor, upon which both farming and distribution depend to make on-demand products year-round affordable.

This is why nobody really wants to come up with any long-term, comprehensive solution to the issue of immigration: our agriculture and food service industries depend too heavily on a pool of cheap, easily exploited labor.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:06:48am

re: #9 EPR-radar

Unfortunately, private or police murder of black people being acceptable (or even celebrated) in the US long predates 9/11.

IMO the US reaction to 9/11 was a major milestone of the march of the US right to fascism, not its origin story.

I fear that future historians will come to list Sep. 10, 2001 as the high-water-mark of the American Empire.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:07:44am

re: #20 JOE 🥓

After all the shit Nigel Farage said in the European Parliament I doubt that the UK will be let back in. But when Scotland divorces the UK they will be gladly welcomed!

One of the reason that Scotland voted against independence in 2014 was that it would have left them outside the EU with no guarantee of being let back in.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:10:18am

re: #36 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Lacks the insolation. And while short season crops may be possible, the soils are bad in most places (barely existent in many places.)

Much of Canada is barren rock scraped clean by glaciers and dumped in the Midwest…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:12:45am

re: #40 Punish Domestic Terrorists

On one side you have a responsible leader, and on the other you have lunatics who think they can refuse to vaccinate like toddlers, then force themselves on us like fascists. How did you get this so wrong? “King Biden?” Nonsense. You’re acting like a child.

Those who still refuse the vax still have the option of weekly testing.

When are we going to start finding Internet articles on people dying of complications arising from repeated testing?

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:16:38am

re: #102 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’m sure it’s fine, no problem.

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“Los Angeles County has paid out at least $55 million in settlements in cases in which sheriff’s deputies have been alleged to belong to a secret society.”

That’s a tricky way to say they are gang members.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:17:56am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:21:21am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:24:38am

Thread, four tweets, from Physicians for Reproductive Health. They note these tools for talking about abortion are also useful for anyone, not just journalists.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:25:57am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:26:48am

The power of the algorithm: I posted this to a closed FB group the other week, it was clear to me (and anyone else in that particular group) that it was meant as a parody

but nonetheless, FB pasted it with the following:

“False Information
The same information was checked in another post by independent fact-checkers”

But I guess better safe than stupid or whatever.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:34:42am

A recurring topic in a lot of old Star Trek episodes is that we cannot let computers make decisions that determine how we live or that will be the end of free will and humanity as we know it.

I fear it too late for that…

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:38:58am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A recurring topic in a lot of old Star Trek episodes is that we cannot let computers make decisions that determine how we live or that will be the end of free will and humanity as we know it.

I fear it too late for that…

It’s not that the computers are the issues - it’s that the managers are unwilling to do the proper human supervision and review of the decisions before they are made. An algorithm is going to give you *exactly* what you *tell* it to give you, not what you *expect* it to give you. So you need further processing steps to review the cases it spits out for context (and probably some nuance as well.) Plus review that the algorithm is for some reason ignoring cases that it should be bringing to your attention.

Which gets us back to certain places not doing filters for fascist content since it kept trying to filter Republican politicians.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:41:25am

From Respectful Insolence:

On “reasonable” apologists for the antivaccine movement

I realize that I sound like the proverbial broken record (and that many of the younger people reading this might not even know what that reference means), but I’ve been at this a long time. I was countering quackery and antivaccine pseudoscience on Usenet back in the 1990s into the early 2000s and then have been blogging about it since 2004. I like to think that two decades of combatting antivaccine misinformation have given me some perspective, which is why I sometimes get so frustrated with so many “reasonable” doctors, scientists, and pundits who, before the pandemic, had paid scant, if any attention to the antivaccine movement, and are shocked—shocked, I say!—to discover the conspiracy theories and violent rhetoric that I’ve been documenting for nearly two decades. Some of them who had paid a little attention would sometimes even periodically castigate me for being a “frenzied, self-righteous zealot” who supposedly couldn’t tell the difference between vaccine-hesitant parents and antivaxxers, never mind the number of times I’ve discussed exactly that difference.

The complaints by these oh-so-“reasonable” people continue, a year and a half into the pandemic. What brought this to my attention is the reaction to an op-ed article in the New York Times by Tara Haelle published yesterday and entitled This Is the Moment the Anti-Vaccine Movement Has Been Waiting For. I’ll start with a brief (for me) discussion of the article, and then move on to some reactions on social media that, whether the people expressing such annoyance at Haelle’s message know it or not, follow a tired, well-worn playbook for apologists for the antivaccine movement. It’s a sentiment that has long annoyed me in that it’s apparently based, above all, on the apologist’s desire to be “reasonable” and bend over backwards to consider “both perspectives.”

(more, particularly on the antivaccine movement looking for their “marketing moment,” and finding it in Covid-19, conservatives, and libertarians)

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Nojay UK  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:41:52am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One of the reason that Scotland voted against independence in 2014 was that it would have left them outside the EU with no guarantee of being let back in.

I voted no in the Independence referendum in large part for that reason. Other factors were the lack of joined-up thinking on the Yes side regarding things like the currency of an independent Scotland — the idea of becoming part of the Eurozone put off a lot of people (not me but it was a problem for a lot of others), the suggestions of sticking with Sterling without the agreement of the rumpUK government was an ill-thought-out mess. There were other things like pensions, right of abode, military forces etc. and some of those issues really needed to have good answers presented during the campaign even if a lot of the details would be sorted out on the run-up to independence day.

I expect the Yes campaign for IndyRef2 to be more thoroughly organised and answers to such issues nailed down beforehand. I could be wrong though, if there’s an IndyRef2 in the next few years I’ll likely vote Yes this time but I do want to see what they come up with first.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:42:09am

re: #124 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Plus hiring people to do reviews cuts into profits.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:44:50am

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Plus hiring people to do reviews cuts into profits.

Cheap, fast, or good. Choose two.

And I’m not a customer for a lot of these social media options in part due to the comments made here about their abusive filtering and ways their algorithms and reporting systems are gamed to censor.

And any public area allowing comments has to be monitored and moderated simply to prevent it turning into a sewer.

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William Lewis  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:49:36am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A recurring topic in a lot of old Star Trek episodes is that we cannot let computers make decisions that determine how we live or that will be the end of free will and humanity as we know it.

I fear it too late for that…

Roddenberry was a utopian and believed that people were strong enough and smart enough to make it happen. As Sisko would later say, “On Earth, there is no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window of Starfleet Headquarters and you see paradise. Well, it’s easy to be a Saint in paradise…”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:53:39am

re: #124 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

It is just a fuck of a lot cheaper than paying people to do the work and empowering them to make decisions.

And it is so much quicker and just to get an unpaid intern to harvest what is trending on social media sites rather than send reporters out to find out what is really happening.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:56:55am

re: #126 Nojay UK

I voted no in the Independence referendum in large part for that reason. Other factors were the lack of joined-up thinking on the Yes side regarding things like the currency of an independent Scotland.

That was an awful lot of the problem: just like with Brexit, Scotland was voting on an outcome without settling or even addressing the key issues it would engender
.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 11, 2021 • 3:59:13am

Norway talks a good game:

Norway’s Fossil Fuel Reliance Is Going to the Ballot Box

[…]

By most measures, the country is also at the front of global efforts to combat climate change. Norway devotes substantial resources to combating deforestation in the developing world through its International Climate and Forest Initiative and is a top donor to the Green Climate Fund. […]

But when the bill is asked to be paid:

Indonesia ends deforestation pact with Norway, citing non-payment

Indonesia has ended a deal with Norway on cooperation to reduce carbon emissions from deforestation, due to lack of payment, the foreign ministry said in a statement.

There’s probably more to the story, but it seems that the idea of paying the developing world to not cut down forests is not going according to the marketing blurbs.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:01:55am

Interesting science bit - it seems over thousands of years that people in the east part of Eurasia reproduce at an older age than the people on the west side of Eurasia:

Different historical generation intervals in human populations inferred from Neanderthal fragment lengths and mutation signatures

The researchers also support the idea that there was just one admixture event of Neanderthals with modern humans. This is does not cover the later Denisovan admixture event.

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William Lewis  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:03:31am

re: #133 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Interesting science bit - it seems over thousands of years that people in the east part of Eurasia reproduce at an older age than the people on the west side of Eurasia:

Different historical generation intervals in human populations inferred from Neanderthal fragment lengths and mutation signatures

The researchers also support the idea that there was just one admixture event of Neanderthals with modern humans. This is does not cover the later Denisovan admixture event.

The link is broken. I really need to read that paper :)

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William Lewis  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:06:38am

re: #134 William Lewis

The link is broken. I really need to read that paper :)

Ah, found it easily enough. Saved to my paleoanthropology/hominin evolution folder

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:06:39am

Pretty interesting article here from the BBC on why Columbo is still popular half a century after it premiered on American TV - and why it still draws new fans:

Even 50 years since its first season began on 15th September 1971, Columbo remains a TV show like no other. The US series with Peter Falk in the title role - as the ramshackle, eccentric, cigar-chomping, raincoated LAPD homicide detective Lieutenant Columbo - revolutionised what a cop show could be. Here was a murder mystery where the murder was no mystery: audiences saw the deadly deed at the start of each episode, invariably carried out by one of LA’s rich and famous in an attempt to preserve their esteemed reputation.

It left the rest of the show not as a “whodunnit” in the vein of Agatha Christie, but a “howcatchem”, with the unassuming, amiable yet sharp-witted Columbo working to unpick the killer’s “perfect” alibi one seemingly insignificant clue at a time - shoelaces, caviar, air conditioning - before bringing down their arrogant conceit with a final piece of incriminating evidence in a thrilling “gotcha!” moment that Falk himself referred to as the “pop”. Columbo’s methods often involved elaborate set pieces where traps were set for the murderer (planting a false address of a suspect knowing the killer would try to frame him; asking a man to pretend to be his blind brother to break an alibi) that were dramatic, cathartic finales (even if the charges wouldn’t always necessarily stand up in a court of law).

bbc.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:06:49am

Finally, a bit of archeology:

A man with a metal detector unearths a major gold treasure in Denmark

See the images of the gold pieces in much more detail here:

HUGE GOLD TREASURE FOUND IN VINDELEV NEAR JELLING

The description of the find is a bit muddled in translation. I think the researchers should not use “iron age” for the time of burial but instead use “post-Roman”. The burial appears to have been done after the collapse of Roman empire but before the viking era notables can be identified.

Likely from the start of the migration period, when Jutes (where the horde was found) migrated westward to the British isles, along with the Angles and people from Saxony.

What I find interesting is one of the pieces has both runes and Latin.

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Dangerman  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:07:49am

So for this totally inappropriate event Jr steps in it

I’d ask how Biden was to hold the entire country of Afghanistan together after your dad left him only 2500 troops.

There is so much more in the thread

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:08:38am

re: #136 Dr Lizardo

Pretty interesting article here from the BBC on why Columbo is still popular half a century after it premiered on American TV - and why it still draws new fans:

bbc.com

I particularly loved the one with Johnny Cash as a bad guy in which Colombo bases his suspicions on the changed harmony parts in one of his recordings…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:09:11am

re: #133 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

re: #135 William Lewis

The hamsters eat the dashes between numbers.

Try this: tinyurl.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:10:07am

Changed the original to use the tinyurl.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:14:14am

re: #139 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I particularly loved the one with Johnny Cash as a bad guy in which Colombo bases his suspicions on the changed harmony parts in one of his recordings…

That was one of the best episodes. “Any Old Port in a Storm” and “Murder by the Book” were also real standouts (the latter being a directed by a young up-and-comer named Steven Spielberg).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:15:43am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:16:52am

SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST…0900 UTC…INFORMATION
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LOCATION…50.7N 51.7W
ABOUT 285 MI…455 KM NNE OF CAPE RACE NEWFOUNDLAND
ABOUT 1420 MI…2285 KM WSW OF REYKJAVIK ICELAND
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS…75 MPH…120 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT…NNE OR 30 DEGREES AT 48 MPH…78 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE…966 MB…28.53 INCHES

WATCHES AND WARNINGS
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CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

All warnings for Newfoundland have been discontinued.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

There are no coastal watches or warnings in effect.

DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
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At 500 AM AST (0900 UTC), the center of Hurricane Larry was located
near latitude 50.7 North, longitude 51.7 West. Larry is moving
toward the north-northeast near 48 mph (78 km/h), and this motion
is forecast to continue today.

Maximum sustained winds have decreased to near 75 mph (120 km/h)
with higher gusts. Larry is forecast to transition into a
post-tropical cyclone later today, and merge with a larger
non-tropical low by tonight.

Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 105 miles (165 km) from
the center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 275
miles (445 km).

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William Lewis  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:18:41am

re: #135 William Lewis

Ah, found it easily enough. Saved to my paleoanthropology/hominin evolution folder

Hmm. Very interesting. Another similar paper just out is this one Human generation times across the past 250,000 years

Which discusses how the age at which human populations generation times have swung up and down over the past 250ky. The implications when combined with the specific case of the Neanderthal fragments are interesting ;)

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Dangerman  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:19:11am

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

From Respectful Insolence:

On “reasonable” apologists for the antivaccine movement

(more, particularly on the antivaccine movement looking for their “marketing moment,” and finding it in Covid-19, conservatives, and libertarians)

i wrote a long letter to the Skeptical Inquirer when I cancelled my 40 year old subscription. here it is clipped

i think the skeptical community made a tactical error back then:

Over the last 40 years or so, we have legitimized anything that can be framed as logical and rational. We’ve given every idea the benefit of the doubt, a priori. No matter how zany, we’ve gently explained, argued, debated. This approach has paved, and now lights a path for anyone with a new agenda who wants an *immediate* seat at the discussion table.

The reason there is, and we are in, a war on science is not because of whether we do skepticism right. It’s because we do anti-science wrong.
,,,
After all this time, my evaluation is that the approach taken since the 70’s - to engage, argue, debate, explain, etc. is a loser. Pseudoscience is bigger than ever. UFOs, cryptids, quack medicine, have not gone away. They are now more complex. There are still flat earthers.

If there’s any point in confronting crackpots with evidence it’s that it would act as a vaccine to ‘inoculate’ others who may not have heard the crackpot’s arguments, from becoming crackpots themselves. And sadly, the 70’s astrologer, palm reader, psychic goer is today’s climate science denier and anti-vaxxer. I am not saying it was the wrong approach to take back then. I am saying that is how we got here and it didn’t work. It didn’t change the historical arc of critical thinking and evaluative skills of the masses.

The charlatans are not trafficking in “mis” information. They are deliberately lying, twisting, contorting, spinning, saying things they know are not true as a weapon to get what they want. And what they want is something else entirely from what they are even saying. That they are afraid to actually say because it wouldn’t sell if out in the open. (followers, $, a private jet, persuadable voters).
They are deliberate and calculating or they are in fact deluded. Because this is not about “opinion” or “tactics” - they are “mis” representing reality - and yes, there *is* a reality.

Racism is a crackpot idea. Pseudoscience is a crackpot idea. Conspiracies are crackpot. Political-cult behavior is crackpot. Yes they are. People who invest in them and traffic in them may be crackpots or PT Barnums. In either case, leave them to themselves and do not engage crackpots.

Anti-vaxxers are afraid of something that’s not in vaccines. You don’t sit down and calmly, rationally “discuss” and explain this to someone, or the world, that they’re afraid of something that has never existed in reality. You say clearly and loudly “that’s crackpot fantasy (dangerous) thinking ” and move on.

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William Lewis  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:21:39am

re: #136 Dr Lizardo

I had to skip until he came in. I couldn’t stand watching it when I knew the ending - even though most episodes were written with the subtilty of a flashing neon billboard. I could appreciate Falk’s acting and the role but the show itself? Meh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:23:57am

In addition, there is a significant sub-set of of Flat Earthers/anti-vaxxers/UFOlogists who are just along for the ride; “performance artists” who enjoy getting a rise out of people and watching them react.

Then there are the ones who are sign on because they see their biases confirmed and will not be convinced otherwise.

And then there are the cynical, sociopathic manipulators who know better but promote those ideas because it is in line with their economic , political or ideological/religious agenda.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:26:45am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:26:54am

re: #146 Dangerman

i wrote a long letter to the Skeptical Inquirer when I cancelled my 40 year old subscription. here it is clipped

i think the skeptical community made a tactical error back then:

Anti-vaxxers are afraid of something that’s not in vaccines. You don’t sit down and calmly, rationally “discuss” and explain this to someone, or the world, that they’re afraid of something that has never existed in reality. You say clearly and loudly “that’s crackpot fantasy (dangerous) thinking ” and move on.

Yup. Tried the carrot, time for the stick.

For someone who legitimately doesn’t know what’s in a vaccine so they are hesitant about that, an explanation or pointing to good resources should resolve that issue.

Endless explaining followed by goalpost moving is the sign someone doesn’t want to learn, or is trying to misinform. Cut bait and move on.

The “reasonable apologist” argument he makes applies to a lot of things, all of which the apologist (the person trying to persuade) makes the “no true X” argument, or makes the claim there are reasonable alternatives.

Those apologists (don’t shame antivaxxers, for example) perpetuate anti-science thinking.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:27:09am

re: #147 William Lewis

I had to skip until he came in. I couldn’t stand watching it when I knew the ending - even though most episodes were written with the subtilty of a flashing neon billboard. I could appreciate Falk’s acting and the role but the show itself? Meh.

To a degree it was Scooby Doo for adults.

“I would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for this scruffy slob of a detective!”

And it was also a different formula from the usual cop show of the time.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:30:03am

Orion is up in the night sky before dawn. Winter is coming.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:30:40am

re: #152 Dread Pirate Ron

Orion is up in the night sky before dawn. Winter is coming.

my favorite constellation

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:31:31am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

my favorite constellation

Mine, too.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:31:34am

LOL

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:38:43am

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

They stick with the “unborn child” designation at all costs.

I see abortion as the least desirable form of birth control.

And I also agree that it is a failure of social justice and human love & mercy to put such a financial and social burden (as well as a moral stigma) on unmarried pregnant women, leading them to choose the option of abortion.

But that does not mean it should ever cease to be their choice.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 4:48:26am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They stick with the “unborn child” designation at all costs.

I see abortion as the least desirable form of birth control.

And I also agree that it is a failure of social justice and human love & mercy to put such a financial, social and moral burden (as well as a moral stigma) on unmarried pregnant women, leading them to choose the option of abortion.

But that does not mean it should ever cease to be their choice.

The best form of “abortion control” is a combination of easily-accessible birth control, education, and economic opportunity for women, all things that both conservatives and many Christians are opposed to.

Considering how expensive the procedure is (never mind the hurdles put in front of it by the Barbarian Party), I don’t think a whole lot of women are thinking of it as “birth control.”

The Guttmacher Institute breaks down the numbers. The overwhelming majority are religious people (in this country that means Christians) and poor (poverty follows religion in every nation). 60% are in their twenties or lower. 59% already have a child.

guttmacher.org

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Dave In Austin  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:05:45am

re: #56 The Ghost of a Flea

All I heard him say was it’s because Fat People with the Sugars.

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jeffreyw  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:09:20am

Good morning!

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steve_davis  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:20:19am

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Rand Paul will have to find a new band.

Look, can we please stop this bullshit “women and people who can become pregnant”? Without meaning to wander into insensitive territory, is there some class of people other than women (or I guess technically females, to include teen kids) who can become pregnant? Transition surgery can work wonders, but I’m pretty sure even if everything else could be transplanted, trying to give birth through a male pelvis would be fatal.

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Dangerman  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:20:33am

re: #151 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

To a degree it was Scooby Doo for adults.

“I would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for this scruffy slob of a detective!”

And it was also a different formula from the usual cop show of the time.

he was also an ‘everyman’ blue collar cop. lieutenant and detective though he was

and often he’d show a sort of respect for the intellect and/or brilliance of the nonetheless evil killer he was inevitably going to nab

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:24:16am

re: #149 Eric The Fruit Bat

There’s something after Omega? I’m not sure if that’s comforting or terrifying.

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sagehen  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:32:13am

re: #160 steve_davis

Look, can we please stop this bullshit “women and people who can become pregnant”? Without meaning to wander into insensitive territory, is there some class of people other than women (or I guess technically females, to include teen kids) who can become pregnant? Transition surgery can work wonders, but I’m pretty sure even if everything else could be transplanted, trying to give birth through a male pelvis would be fatal.

There’s been, I think 2 or 3 cases of a born-female-transitioned-to-male who got pregnant. But none of those were accidents; it required stopping hormones, surgically extracting eggs that were fertilized in a petri dish, then implanting the embryos.

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Dangerman  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:43:58am

re: #159 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

Good morning!

And to you as well

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:48:16am

Creighton is a private Catholic university in Omaha.

Four Creighton students sue over COVID vaccine mandate (Omaha World-Herald)

A group of students has filed a civil lawsuit against Creighton University in response to the university’s mandate of the COVID-19 vaccine.

The lawsuit filed by four students on Wednesday alleges that Creighton “refused to consider or grant religious exemptions” in mandating the vaccine for all students.

The university announced July 7 that the vaccine would be required for all students attending classes or events on campus. On Aug. 23, a waiver that allowed students to opt out of the vaccine was withdrawn after the Food and Drug Administration approval of the Pfizer vaccine.

Students were required to provide proof of vaccination by Sept. 7 to be allowed on campus.

Lauren Ramaekers, a Creighton student named as a plaintiff in the suit, is the president of Creighton’s anti-abortion group, Students For Life. In a press release, Ramaekers said she is opposed to taking the vaccine “because of the use of abortion-derived fetal cells in the research and development of the vaccines.”

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:49:45am

More:

The lawsuit also points to tuition paid by students, alleging that the university has accepted tuition and other fees from students who enrolled before July 7 and that Creighton intends “to retain a large portion” of the money paid.

Of course. Why would anyone think churches would give refunds?

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Dangerman  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:50:14am

Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), who was once a close adviser to former President Trump, told Republicans gathered at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library Thursday evening that the party must “face the realities of the 2020 election,” discredit the “extremists in our midst” and “renounce the conspiracy theories,” CBS News reports.

Said Christie: “We need to quit wasting our time, our energy, and our credibility on claims that won’t ever convince anyone of anything

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Nojay UK  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:51:15am

re: #162 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

There’s something after Omega? I’m not sure if that’s comforting or terrifying.

There are already lots and lots of variant COVID-19 viruses in existence thanks to evolution and any virus’s crappy error-checking replication strategy. 99.99%-plus of these variants are failures and never go anywhere, never spread and replicate in other hosts if they can replicate at all. Occasionally, maybe one time in 50 million infections a newly evolved variant succeeds by being infectious and stable enough to replicate in other hosts. When we (the scientific community) find it and characterise it we label it a “Variant of Interest”. If it makes the big time like Delta we label it a “Variant of Concern”.

As far as I know new variants like Mu and Epsilon are still at the VOI stage, we know they’re out there but they’re not spreading widely and quickly. If another Delta comes along then we should sit up and take notice.

Viruses are like those bands four friends in high-school put together, played three gigs and then broke up. Every now and then one of those variants is the Rolling Stones, ubiquitous and seemingly immortal.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:55:08am

In a statement, Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., asserted lied that the president’s requirements are “constitutionally dubious.”

Rep. Don Bacon, R-Neb., went a bit further, saying lying in a statement: “Nothing in the Constitution gives the president the legal authority to put mandates concerning personal health decisions on the private sector.”

And Nebraska Gov. Pete Ricketts, also a Republican, went on the Fox Business Network on Friday to reiterate that he plans to work with the state attorney general “to explore all our options. waste state tax money

Fixed it for you, Omaha World-Herald

Nebraska officials slam vaccine mandate, but legal experts say Biden likely within rights

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A Mom Anon  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:56:16am

re: #167 Dangerman

Too late Chris. The “sane” people in your party stood by and let this happen and barely batted an eyelash. You were warned, but because those warnings weren’t coming from assholes like yourself, you didn’t listen. You all broke a lot of shit, which you have NO plans to fix, so STFU and STFD. And while Democrats once again have to fix the damage your party caused, I’m sure you’ll develop some kind of cooperative spirit and help out right? Yeah, and then I woke up rich.

Our media has got to change and stop talking to these useless sacs of protoplasm. I don’t know how that happens but it has to.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 5:58:33am

re: #170 A Mom Anon

Chris Christie didn’t just stand by like some lump on a log, he helped with the insanity.

Bobby Jindal called that out in 2012 when he said “we need to stop being the stupid party.” They promptly deep-sixed Bobby Jindal, because that’s their brand. And cruelty.

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Dangerman  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:06:26am

re: #170 A Mom Anon

Too late Chris. The “sane” people in your party stood by and let this happen and barely batted an eyelash. You were warned, but because those warnings weren’t coming from assholes like yourself, you didn’t listen. You all broke a lot of shit, which you have NO plans to fix, so STFU and STFD. And while Democrats once again have to fix the damage your party caused, I’m sure you’ll develop some kind of cooperative spirit and help out right? Yeah, and then I woke up rich.

Our media has got to change and stop talking to these useless sacs of protoplasm. I don’t know how that happens but it has to.

I toss the grapefruit and you swat it outta here

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:11:43am

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Bobby Jindal called that out in 2012 when he said “we need to stop being the stupid party.” They promptly deep-sixed Bobby Jindal, because that’s their brand. And cruelty.

I am reminded of the fellow in the USSR who got eleven years for calling Brezhnev an idiot:
One year for disparaging Soviet authority and ten years for disclosing a state secret.

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John Hughes  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:13:09am

re: #107 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

He doesn’t give a fuck. Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Oracle, and Apple could boycott him entirely and he’d be just fine so long as Exxon stays loyal.

Which is fine in the short term, but Exxon is dead in the long term.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:15:27am

Clearwater, Fla.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:16:01am

re: #174 John Hughes

Which is fine in the short term, but Exxon is dead in the long term.

Exxon and the Republican party have a lot of overlap in ideology and goals: namely to shore up their diminishing resources to stay in power as long as they can.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:17:25am

Off for a nap before my drive later this morning. See y’all in a few days.

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John Hughes  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:19:04am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is why nobody really wants to come up with any long-term, comprehensive solution to the issue of immigration:

how, exactly is immigration an “issue”?
Racist fear of “strangers” is an issue, immigration is the proof that your country is not as bad as some others, you should be happy that people want to immigrate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:21:27am

re: #178 John Hughes

how, exactly is immigration an “issue”?
Racist fear of “strangers” is an issue, immigration is the proof that your country is not as bad as some others, you should be happy that people want to immigrate.

It is designed to put immigrants at a disadvantage in the labor market, or at least allows them to be exploited.

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John Hughes  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:27:01am

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I realize that I sound like the proverbial broken record (and that many of the younger people reading this might not even know what that reference means)

I realized the future was crap the first time I heard a CD skip just like a vinyl.

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John Hughes  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:32:44am

re: #136 Dr Lizardo

One of the shows that I watched at the same time as my future wife. Me in London, England, her in Abidjan, Cote d’ivoire.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:39:47am

20 years since 9/11.

Damn, where does the time go?

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:39:51am
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John Hughes  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:42:01am

re: #163 sagehen

But the point is that it isn’t the transition that makes you the gender you are. Pre transition trans males can become pregnant.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:43:48am
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John Hughes  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:44:28am

re: #168 Nojay UK

“This gene was the first drummer for the virus, but left them after Munich, before they became famous”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:45:42am

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

20 years since 9/11.

Damn, where does the time go?

my oldest daughter was not quite three years old at the time.

I recall her the next day asking, “Are we going to watch that show where they fly planes into buildings again?”

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:47:20am
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Belafon  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:48:53am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:49:13am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

my oldest daughter was not quite three years old at the time.

I recall her the next day asking, “Are we going to watch that show where they fly planes into buildings again?”

I happened to catch the second plane flying into the WTC on live feed - and my mind instantly thought of the now mostly-forgotten Richard Burton film The Medusa Touch. I caught that on TV one night in the ’80s and the scene where a 747 sails into a skyscraper stuck with me.

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darthstar  Sep 11, 2021 • 6:58:42am

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

20 years since 9/11.

Damn, where does the time go?

I was getting on a canal & lock tour in England when I heard the news. As we boarded the boat the Captain’s wife said, “Oh you’re American. Sorry about the attack on New York City.”

Borrowed a small radio from the captain and spent the whole tour below deck listening to the BBC. Didn’t see the images until we got home three hours later.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:05:27am

re: #191 darthstar

I was getting on a canal & lock tour in England when I heard the news. As we boarded the boat the Captain’s wife said, “Oh you’re American. Sorry about the attack on New York City.”

Borrowed a small radio from the captain and spent the whole tour below deck listening to the BBC. Didn’t see the images until we got home three hours later.

We were moving a piano at the time. I initially assumed from what I heard it was somebody trying to fly a Cessna into the buildings as some fellow had tried to do a few years earlier.

Then we switched on the TV…

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dat_said  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:11:31am

re: #143 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I came across this adverse incident report:
Issue: Subject death
Cause: Internal Hemorrhage
Determination: Likely not study drug related
Rationale: Subject stabbed during fight

I worked for decades in the design of implantable cardiac defibrillators and occasionally would be tasked with finding the root cause of a device failure. One company legendary event was the returned device with a bullet firmly impacted in it. Story was that the patient thought the device was evil and controlling him, so he shot it. The case report has similar bland language as to cause of failure. Something like “damaged from external blunt force”.

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John Hughes  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:15:27am

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is designed (or at leased allowed) to put immigrants at a disadvantage in the labor market.

How? You have a minimum wage? How are immigrants at a disadvantage?

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:19:48am

re: #194 John Hughes

How? You have a minimum wage? How are immigrants at a disadvantage?

Farms don’t operate under minimum wage laws.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:21:16am

re: #194 John Hughes

How? You have a minimum wage? How are immigrants at a disadvantage?

Illegal immigrants working without papers are not likely to report any labor law, health or safety violations to authorities for fear of being rounded up.

Which is why we need comprehensive reform so that people coming to the ‘States to work are registered and have the same rights as any other employees.

I don’t have an issue with people coming to the USA to work, just with the slapdash “system” we have in place to deal with them.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:22:45am

re: #193 dat_said

I worked for decades in the design of implantable cardiac defibrillators and occasionally would be tasked with finding the root cause of a device failure. One company legendary event was the returned device with a bullet firmly impacted in it. Story was that the patient thought the device was evil and controlling him, so he shot it. The case case report has similar bland language as to cause of failure. Something like “damaged from external blunt force”.

When Wife was a military dependent she turned her ankle on a sky dive. The doc at Ireland Army Hospital logged her as “Fell from moving aircraft.”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:25:07am

re: #185 Belafon

Canada is doing the same thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:29:37am

re: #197 Decatur Deb

When Wife was a military dependent she turned her ankle on a sky dive. The doc at Ireland Army Hospital logged her as “Fell from moving aircraft.”

We were camping in the Russian Don Steppes on the River Medvedista when a terrible storm blew up, our canoe on the bank came rolling at us and I had to duck out of the way.

We later joked about how they would have had to explain to the authorities how I was killed in a boating accident:
“Drowned?”
-“No, run over!”

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:30:37am
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JOE 🥓  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:31:12am

re: #25 austin_blue

Not with a Tory government in charge. Why would the EU even *want* them?

With every day that goes by, the loss of the EU as a trading partner is softened by the realization that they really didn’t supply much of anything that couldn’t be shifted sideways and made by others. Finance is going to Germany. Agriculture can be moved to any number of places on the Continent.

Now, airplane wings for Airbus are a problem. But the Germans and the French are ready to stand in and replace the English within two years.

The UK is going to lose Scotland in two years, and Northern Ireland is looking shaky, because the Unionists in the North, who hate the idea of reuniting with the Republic, are just beginning to realize how fucked they are to be out of the EU. Wales? We’ll see. They have always hated the English, however.

The UK will disappear and England will be a smaller, much poorer country after the inevitable long-term real estate collapse because of the flight of wealth from the country.

Who wants to live in quaint, economically isolated country with thatched-roof cottages?

They chose to shoot themselves in the foot and in doing so the Sun has FINALLY set on the British Empire.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:32:18am

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

20 years since 9/11.

Damn, where does the time go?

20 years ago, I was a senior in high school. I was between classes, grabbing my next set of books from my locker, when my teacher came out from his classroom and asked the teacher next door, “Did you see that? Another one just hit.” Filled with a deep sense of foreboding, I raced into his classroom just in time to see the replay of the second plane striking and the plume of smoke from the first tower. The rest of my day was spent watching the TV, except for fifth period English, who refused to turn his TV on but was willing to talk about what was going on. That night, I worked at the hardware store, my summer job; my dad was very angry with me because I took the time to get dressed for work, when he wanted to get to the gas station and fill up all our pickup trucks. (Sorry, Dad. I didn’t get it then. And no, we did not wind up getting gas that night, nor for a couple of days.) That night at work was the quietest night we ever had. We had a few people stop in asking for American flags; we were all sold out. We had a Radio Shack display at the store, where we turned on one of the TVs for customers and employees alike, and watched the President and the joint members of Congress live.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:34:40am

?

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:41:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:42:14am

It also kills Aries, Taurus, Sagittarius, etc…

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:46:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:48:58am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:49:31am

re: #206 wrenchwench

In Russian it’s “бабочка” (babotchka), literally “little grandmother”…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:50:13am

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

Has the dude been in a coma for the past three years?

Selective memory is a useful tool.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:52:35am

re: #201 JOE 🥓

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They chose to shoot themselves in the foot and in doing so the Sun has FINALLY set on the British Empire.

England’s re-entry to the EU will be more-or-less automatic when they become a protectorate of The Republic of Ireland.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:54:21am

re: #210 Decatur Deb

England’s re-entry to the EU will be more-or-less automatic when they become a protectorate of the Republic of Ireland.

Norther Ireland will long have since joined Ireland, but perhaps the Republic of Wales or Scotland could sponsor them…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:55:28am

re: #211 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Norther Ireland will long have since joined Ireland, but perhaps the Republic of Wales or Scotland could sponsor them…

History doesn’t stop, unless it stops all at once.

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2021 • 7:55:40am
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A Cranky One  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:02:28am

re: #52 teleskiguy

Back home. Neighbors told me there’s been bears in the yard.

I’ve never seen bears in my yard.

So you painted an end-zone in your back yard?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:05:34am

I have seen deer grazing in my back yard, but the only bears around here are in the wild animal park in the next town…

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:06:33am

re: #215 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have seen deer grazing in my back yard, but the only bears around here are in the wild animal park in the next town…

We typically don’t get bears in my neighborhood, but my brother-in-law on the far side of the Twin Cities had a bear in his yard once a few years back. We’ve also apparently had moose on the loose around here.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:06:46am

re: #215 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have seen deer grazing in my back yard, but the only bears around here are in the wild animal park in the next town…

There’s quite a few wild animals in my neighborhood - wild pigs and a herd of deer in the forest behind my apartment block.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:08:46am

re: #159 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning M

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:08:59am
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JOE 🥓  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:09:37am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Republican anti-vaxxers have made me much more aware as a person. For the first time in my life I give a shit about my O2 level. (98%)

I use my Apple Watch O2 app a couple times each day. Right now 99%.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:10:25am

re: #217 Dr Lizardo

There’s quite a few wild animals in my neighborhood - wild pigs and a herd of deer in the forest behind my apartment block.

People in Maryland have been sighting zebras

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:11:20am

re: #219 wrenchwench

Bush paraded on a carrier deck in a flight suit with a “Mission Accomplished” banner behind him…

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:11:35am

I broke my Preview window by trying to retweet out of it. I shall refresh the page. (Or is it a Preview pop-up, rather than window?)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:12:40am

Alabama Dems took a shot at Grandma Covid for her rejection of Yankee vax mandates. Calling her “another Wallace” is a nice touch—he was a paleo-Dem, standing in our schoolhouse door..

Alabama Democratic Party leader fires back at Kay Ivey over Biden comments
al.com

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:13:38am

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Bush paraded on a carrier deck in a flight suit with a “Mission Accomplished” banner behind him…

And it didn’t end his career.

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We all walks this ways  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:14:47am
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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:15:15am

Dang it, forgot to Preview. I never forget to Preview…

It worked.

Twice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:16:34am

re: #225 wrenchwench

And it didn’t end his career.

I had a mental image of General Santa Ana parading amid the still-smoldering ruins of the Alamo with a “misión cumplida” banner flying from the parapets

(get it, Alamo mission ha ha ha…)

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Nojay UK  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:21:01am

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In Russian it’s “бабочка” (babotchka), literally “little grandmother”…

I rather like the Japanese word for bumblebee, kumabachi which means “bear bee”.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:25:58am

re: #229 Nojay UK

I rather like the Japanese word for bumblebee, kumabachi which means “bear bee”.

Italian for fireflies is “luciole”, which they use in the North as slang for streetwalkers. That’s kind of nice.

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:26:07am

re: #229 Nojay UK

I rather like the Japanese word for bumblebee, kumabachi which means “bear bee”.

One of my sisters called them ‘gumball bees’ before she could say ‘bumble’.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:27:18am

re: #231 wrenchwench

One of my sisters called them ‘gumball bees’ before she could say ‘bumble’.

That’s a good term in itself.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:31:00am

re: #231 wrenchwench

One of my sisters called them ‘gumball bees’ before she could say ‘bumble’.

The German word is Hummel, as in the figurines (with the Bumblebee logo).

I was amused to hear a German colleague refer to one as a “humblebee”

(as opposed to an arrogant wasp, I guess)

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:36:20am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The German word is Hummel, as in the figurines (with the Bumblebee logo).

I was amused to hear a German colleague refer to one as a “humblebee”

(as opposed to an arrogant wasp, I guess)

One of my grammas collected Hummels. She used to tell her grandchildren to pick which one they wanted when she died. I was bothered by that. She made it to 99, I have no idea where the Hummels went.

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JOE 🥓  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:36:52am

When it comes to Peter Falk—his funniest role was in The Great Race as Jack Lemmon’s sidekick.

Ah the movie with the greatest pie fight in cinematic history!

The Great Race, and a great pie fight

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:38:55am

re: #229 Nojay UK

I rather like the Japanese word for bumblebee, kumabachi which means “bear bee”.

The Czech word is Čmelák (pronounced “chmelahk”).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:39:31am

re: #234 wrenchwench

One of my grammas collected Hummels. She used to tell her grandchildren to pick which one they wanted when she died. I was bothered by that. She made it to 99, I have no idea where the Hummels went.

There was a sub-plot in Better Call Saul about him doing the will for an aging widow and determining who gets which figure from her Hummel collection (“…but only if he finishes college!”)

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No Malarkey!  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:40:36am

Its always about the grift.

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Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:42:06am

*sigh* [rant]Trans-men are men. Trans-women are women. Our existence/validity is no longer open for debate. We have been, and always will be, amongst you and no amount of pearl clutching or gnashing of teeth is ever going to change that. We WILL NOT be silenced and shoved back into the closet just to make you feel comfortable.

Though it shouldn’t need to be stated, I am sure someone will probably take offense at the above statement. Rest assured that I am not pointing fingers at any Lizards (you have all been great). The “YOU” used above pertains to society as a whole.[/rant]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:42:09am

re: #236 Dr Lizardo

The Czech word is Čmelák (pronounced “chmelahk”).

Шмель (schmel’) in Russian…

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:49:39am

re: #234 wrenchwench

One of my great-aunts had a Hummel collection. She was so afraid of anything happening to her Hummels we children weren’t allowed inside the house when we visited.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:50:45am

re: #241 jaunte

One of my great-aunts had a Hummel collection. She was so afraid of anything happening to her Hummels we children weren’t allowed inside the house when we visited.

any self-respecting Hummel collector would have a glass display case…

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:51:53am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Oh, she did. She was a belt, suspenders and multiple insurance policies type.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:52:15am

re: #239 Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict

whatever gender or term is used, I see them as descriptive, not determinative. And all worthy of the same respect shown to anybody.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:54:01am

I had no idea what a Hummel was, until this conversation, but the collectibles in my family were items made from Greentown glass. Known in the 1890’s for their unique shade of chocolate brown, the Greentown Glass Factory was built near a natural gas source. The factory burned to the ground in 1903; the ruins are publicly accessible, and you can still find chunks of melted glass on the ground in the area.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 11, 2021 • 8:55:48am

re: #239 Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict

*sigh* [rant]Trans-men are men. Trans-women are women. Our existence/validity is no longer open for debate. We have been, and always will be, amongst you and no amount of pearl clutching or gnashing of teeth is ever going to change that. We WILL NOT be silenced and shoved back into the closet just to make you feel comfortable.

Though it shouldn’t need to be stated, I am sure someone will probably take offense at the above statement. Rest assured that I am not pointing fingers at any Lizards (you have all been great). The “YOU” used above pertains to society as a whole.[/rant]

It would be nice if people would just learn to mind their own business, and treat everyone the way they would want to be treated.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:01:17am

re: #230 Decatur Deb

Italian for fireflies is “luciole”, which they use in the North as slang for streetwalkers. That’s kind of nice.

The Japanese word for firefly is “hotaru.” I’ve heard the term “hotaru-zoku” (firefly people/tribe) for those who smoke outside a door at work at break time.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:03:17am

re: #150 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yup. Tried the carrot, time for the stick.

For someone who legitimately doesn’t know what’s in a vaccine so they are hesitant about that, an explanation or pointing to good resources should resolve that issue.

…..

As has been amply pointed out, most people who claim hesitancy because they don’t know what’s in a vaccine are not trained in biology or chemistry; they don’t have a clue what’s in their soft drinks, or hot dogs, or canned soups, or frozen TV dinners. Or has been shown in that infamous tweet, they don’t know the chemical compounds in a raw apple. They have been persuaded by others that the vaccines are dangerous and directing then to real information is not likely to change their minds since they have no understanding of the issue in the first place.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:06:17am

re: #174 John Hughes

Which is fine in the short term, but Exxon is dead in the long term.

Nope. Exxon will adapt and switch to be a major supplier of green energy. They will do whatever is profitable and survive the elimination of fossil fuel as a major energy source.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:09:35am

re: #248 Hecuba’s daughter

As has been amply pointed out, most people who claim hesitancy because they don’t know what’s in a vaccine are not trained in biology or chemistry; they don’t have a clue what’s in their soft drinks, or hot dogs, or canned soups, or frozen TV dinners. Or has been shown in that infamous tweet, they don’t know the chemical compounds in a raw apple. They have been persuaded by others that the vaccines are dangerous and directing then to real information is not likely to change their minds since they have no understanding of the issue in the first place.

Yep, its time to coerce them. We’ve tried reasoning with them for months, but they are only listening to the antivaccine grifters, who, in a just world, would face justice for crimes against humanity.

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:13:41am

Catching up:

On Hummels: see photo for 1980’s wedding gifts, Ravenna 1955, and Paisley Skirt 1988
On LA traffic, went to dodger game last night and was driving home through Thousand Oaks at 2230 at 85 mph. My friend who is simultaneously a crazy driver and a nervous passenger noted my excessive speed and potential for a ticket I noted that all the adjacent cars were pulling away from us and I would be cited for driving too slow

On Red State America: I live at the Edge of the notion, which I define as where the fog line burns off.

2021: Hummel Figurines in a Hippie’s Home
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A Cranky One  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:20:46am

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:22:30am

re: #252 A Cranky One

Why? It looks like a sleigh without Santa or the reindeers.

😁😁😂😂😂😂

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Michele: Recovering Social Media Addict  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:23:12am

Some more light hearted silliness from the Samantha B segment on the TUR.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:23:45am

re: #253 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

You sleigh me with that one.

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plansbandc  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:33:53am

re: #234 wrenchwench

Always pick the full bee signature. They are the most valuable. Early stylized bee can be valuable also, but the full bee is what you’re looking for.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:35:37am

I love WHYY. On Wednesdays at 7:30 PM they will have The Joy of Painting with Bob Ross. That will be the perfect time for me with my new schedule of 8-4 and a perfect time to relax from work.

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darthstar  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:40:36am

re: #249 Hecuba’s daughter

Nope. Exxon will adapt and switch to be a major supplier of green energy. They will do whatever is profitable and survive the elimination of fossil fuel as a major energy source.

More solar spills to come.

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:42:09am
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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:42:23am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The German word is Hummel, as in the figurines (with the Bumblebee logo).

I was amused to hear a German colleague refer to one as a “humblebee”

(as opposed to an arrogant wasp, I guess)

Humblebee is another name (archaic or dialectal) for that same insect.

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:44:28am
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darthstar  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:51:21am

Handy image to use for responding to conservatives.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 11, 2021 • 9:53:34am

re: #262 darthstar

I love that.

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:02:49am

re: #6 darthstar

Olbermann had always been one of my favorite political commentators. Sure he can be a bit hyperbolic at times, but he doesn’t hold back.

10 year old hyperbole has become reality.

Never dismiss extreme predictions when they are based on facts and previous behavior and rhetoric by individuals and groups bent on the destruction of civilization itself.

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:18:54am
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jaunte  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:19:10am

More light, less heat.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:19:47am

I’m getting ready to leave for Ashton.

Possibly a better of 9/11 stories you’ll read today, from Stephen Robinson at Wonkette, who lived on the Upper West Side when the towers were hit. (As for me, I don’t remember exactly what I was doing that day when I found out, that was part of my homeless period. Probably doing something to try to survive.)

A Former New Yorker Remembers When A Tuesday In September Became 9/11

Post-tropical Hurricane Larry is still flying away to the northeast.

The folks at the High Seas Forecast Center apparently just said “fuck it” and turned their forecasting over to the National Hurricane Center.

…STORM WARNING…
.POST-TROPICAL CYCLONE LARRY NEAR 54.0N 48.2W 963 MB AT 1500 UTC
SEP 11 MOVING NNE OR 030 DEG AT 42 KT. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS
60 KT GUSTS 75 KT. GALE FORCE WINDS WITHIN 210 NM NE
AND SW QUADRANTS…150 NM NW QUADRANT AND 270 NM SE QUADRANT.
SEAS 12 FT OR GREATER WITHIN 180 NM NE QUADRANT…600 NM SE
QUADRANT…840 NM SW QUADRANT…AND 90 NM NW QUADRANT WITH SEAS
TO 33 FT. ELSEWHERE WITHIN 540 NM E…840 NM S…240 NM W…AND
240 NM N QUADRANTS WINDS 20 TO 33 KT. SEAS 12 TO 24 FT.
.12 HOUR FORECAST POST-TROPICAL CYCLONE LARRY NEAR 57.8N 44.9W
975 MB. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS 55 KT GUSTS 65 KT.
.24 HOUR FORECAST…DISSIPATED.

ocean.weather.gov

Elsewhere, the wave in Mexico still continues to be a threat, now extended to Louisiana. It is expected to be a tropical depression later today.

The wave off Ghana’s track has been shifted to due west, and is passing the Cape Verde Islands to the south. It will also become a depression today.

A new area of tropical development is further south off the Ivory Coast, from a wave currently inland in Africa.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:22:39am

re: #267 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Quick question: Today is Sept 11th. Do we fly the flag on this day? I thought we did to remember what happened.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:24:28am

re: #265 jaunte

“A roundtable to discuss the political fallout”

because health issues are boring

the science of epidemiology and virology is boring

uninfected people are boring

political disaster is what we want and when we don’t get it, we generate it!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:24:58am

re: #268 PhillyPretzel

Quick question: Today is Sept 11th. Do we fly the flag on this day? I thought we did to remember what happened.

Yes. Today is “Patriot Day” (ugh), designated in the US Flag Code as half-staff all day.

That is not to be confused with the Massachusetts state holiday Patriots Day, in remembrance of the battles of Concord and Lexington.

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:26:36am

re: #269 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“The U.S. is now the G7 country with the lowest rate of vaccination. How will this hurt Joe Biden going forward?”

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mmmirele  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:27:54am

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The author cited, Karen Swallow Prior, is a professor of English and Christianity at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Amongst other things, searches on her name will recommend articles about Paige Patterson.

KSP taught for 21 years at Liberty U. At some time previous to that she was part of Operation Rescue. Oh, and four years ago she signed the virulently homophobic, transphobic and biologically incoherent “Nashville Statement.” At the time, I chewed her out about it. (I’d forgotten, someone resurrected my tweet today.)

KSP is feeling really put upon right now because she’s being attacked.

*snort*

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:28:02am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Thanks. My little flag is in my front window.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:33:07am

re: #271 jaunte

“The U.S. is now the G7 country with the lowest rate of vaccination. How will this hurt Joe Biden going forward?”

“When will he stop scolding the recalcitrant, pouty, contrarians who would rather spite themselves and make other sick rather than take advice from anyone who has a higher degree in a relevant field of specialization?”

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:34:35am
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Dave In Austin  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:37:32am

Hey!

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mmmirele  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:40:54am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Clearwater, Fla.

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This is actually Clearwater Beach, which is not Clearwater, Florida.

How do I know? Because at the end of the ’90s, beginning of the ’00s, I went to Clearwater itself several times to protest the space alien cult that has taken over the town. But I never went to Clearwater Beach, because that’s not where the Scientologists were. Recently, it was the 20th anniversary of a court order that supposedly keeps me and dozens of other people from protesting within 50 feet of certain Scientology buildings. It’s probably unconstitutional, but no money/inclination to challenge it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:44:32am

re: #277 mmmirele

A restraining order is for life?

whoa

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mmmirele  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:47:38am

re: #190 Dr Lizardo

I happened to catch the second plane flying into the WTC on live feed - and my mind instantly thought of the now mostly-forgotten Richard Burton film The Medusa Touch. I caught that on TV one night in the ’80s and the scene where a 747 sails into a skyscraper stuck with me.

I think there are millions of us with a kind of PTSD because we saw the second plane go into the WTC live. I used to listen to NPR news, and had my clock radio set to go off at 05:58 so I could get the top headlines. That day they said a plane had crashed into the WTC, so I bounded out of bed, warmed up my TV and … yeah.

I think the worst part was one of my NYC friends describing how he’d been covered in ash, and breathing in ash, and what was in the ash, and it wasn’t just collapsed building in the ash.

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We all walks this ways  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:55:07am

Remember the Mantra “If we don’t fight them (terrorists) over there we’ll have to fight them here”?

They were here all along.

And OBL won in a sense.

Just look at us now.

Just look at us now.

Off to do chores, back from our break at the shore.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:55:39am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2021 • 10:56:37am

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

All wearing masks

Means the Terrorists won.

/

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mmmirele  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:00:20am

re: #278 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A restraining order is for life?

whoa

Well, if you don’t have the money or the inclination to get the order lifted, and you’re not going picketing in CW because the ex-Scientologists are doing a good job on that front (and they’re not under this court order), then it’s just fine to leave it in place. So CW doesn’t get my money, I’m fine with that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:00:35am
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Belafon  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:00:38am

re: #282 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

All wearing masks

Means the Terrorists won.

/

The terrorists keep killing their followers off who refuse to wear masks. Oh, you meant al Qaeda.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:05:38am
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jeffreyw  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:05:46am

re: #273 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. My little flag is in my front window.

My wife uses that same phrase when I am unzipped.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:08:38am

re: #287 jeffreyw

I have put a small flag outside in the past and found it stolen. That is why I put a small desk flag in my front window.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:11:46am

re: #286 Belafon

Regarding anything Trump has to say about….well, anything, my answer is simply -

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:12:12am
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ckkatz  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:21:21am

re: #206 wrenchwench

About 15 years ago, when pseudo Chinese and Japanese tattoos were very popular here in the US, I used to looks at the blog hanzismatter.blogspot.com over some of the more egregious misuses.

One of my colleagues at the time was a native Formosan. I showed him one of the pictures where a group of Chinese ?Mandarin? characters had been installed in a random alignment. His response was “My eyes hurt”.

Unfortunately, it looks like the photos for the ‘Crazy Diarrhea’ tattoo have been taken down.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:24:55am
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:26:52am

re: #292 Belafon

I forgot where I saw the cartoon of DT handing Joe a grenade and the caption reading I pulled the pin out for you. That is exactly what Joe had to deal with and we had to get out fast.

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Jay C  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:33:08am

re: #292 Belafon

While I agree with Moore 119%, I think the comment of “I don’t get it” to be a tad disingenuous.
Whatever his other flaws, Michael Moore is no dummy: I think he “gets” it just fine.

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gwangung  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:37:48am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Morons like Mahler keep ignoring the FACT that things like “the black anthem” are REACTIONS to white racism.

Get to the root of the problem, ya yahoos…stop focussing on the defenses of people who are being oppressed.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:38:55am

re: #291 ckkatz

About 15 years ago, when pseudo Chinese and Japanese tattoos were very popular here in the US, I used to looks at the blog hanzismatter.blogspot.com over some of the more egregious misuses.

One of my colleagues at the time was a native Formosan. I showed him one of the pictures where a group of Chinese ?Mandarin? characters had been installed in a random alignment. His response was “My eyes hurt”.

Unfortunately, it looks like the photos for the ‘Crazy Diarrhea’ tattoo have been taken down.

I was once at a county fair and saw a guy with this tattooed on his calf: 保護者 (hogosha). It means “legal guardian.” I think he probably got “protector” as the definition and it has that sense, but it’s formally used as someone authorized as a child’s guardian by the state in Japanese.

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ckkatz  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:39:53am

re: #217 Dr Lizardo

There’s quite a few wild animals in my neighborhood - wild pigs and a herd of deer in the forest behind my apartment block.

The Washington DC region occasionally gets young black bears wandering through in the late spring and early summer.

The adolescent bears are chased away by the mother when she is ready to breed again. The young bears are then chased away from good food sources by older stronger bears.

Some of these young bears randomly choose to follow the Potomac River Basin. This brings them into suburbia and contact with cars, fences, dogs and people. None of which are pleasant experiences. The lucky ones are tranque’ed and dumped back into the Appalachians. The rest catch cars or a shotgun from an angry human.

From a last years WashPost article for kids:

…snip..
These furry spring visitors are usually juveniles (yearlings) beginning a new stage of life. When they are 18 months old, mom sends them off to find their own territory.

“May and June is the peak dispersal time for those teenagers,” said Harry Spiker of Maryland’s Department of Natural Resources. “They’re just passing through.”

…snip…

Black bears are intelligent. They not only remember where they found food, but Spiker has watched them look both ways before crossing a street. “Years ago, on an [Interstate] 270 ramp in Bethesda, a bear carefully watched traffic from underneath a guard rail before crossing.”

…snip…

“Bears will leave you alone as long as you don’t scare them or get between them and something they want: their cubs, food or a way to get away,” he noted.

‘Teen’ black bears take a spring break in the suburbs
washingtonpost.com

Black bear captured in Bethesda

Black bear captured in Bethesda

edit - fixed typos

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ckkatz  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:44:12am

re: #296 Barefoot Grin

I was once at a county fair and saw a guy with this tattooed on his calf: 保護者 (hogosha). It means “legal guardian.” I think he probably got “protector” as the definition and it has that sense, but it’s formally used as someone authorized as a child’s guardian by the state in Japanese.

It’s interesting to consider the thought that someone might have had a typo permanently inscribed on their body.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 11, 2021 • 11:54:41am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

my oldest daughter was not quite three years old at the time.

I recall her the next day asking, “Are we going to watch that show where they fly planes into buildings again?”

My older daughter was 23 at the time. It was she who alerted me to the attacks. I was up but the TV was not on and I had not quite gotten around to checking the net, which would have flooded me with news instantly. She had arrived for work at the Sears Tower in Chicago and called to tell me that the building was being evacuated, “because of the plane crashes in New York.” I said, “Huh? What? Crashes, like more than one?” She explained and I turned the TV on to see the first tower collapse. I checked the net and thought, oh shit, this is going to be a big deal. I spent part of the day trying to calm people down and clarify the situation, to the extent that I understood it myself, for them. I knew we had taken a big hit, but nowhere close to fatal, and there would be a big response. My younger daughter asked me if I would be going back into the Army (I had retired the previous year). I told her I might, depending on the requirements of the situation. Osama bin Laden and AQ were not definitely identified as the perpetrators for several days, but they were suspect #1 from the beginning, at least to anyone who knew about recent history. I envisioned a worldwide attack on the Al Qaeda gang itself, perhaps brutally forceful, but not the invasion and occupation of whole countries. I reckoned without the ambition and duplicity of the Bush/Cheney gang and the legion of new-fangled “services contractors” who were waiting in the wings to cash in.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 11, 2021 • 12:45:55pm

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

my oldest daughter was not quite three years old at the time.

I recall her the next day asking, “Are we going to watch that show where they fly planes into buildings again?”

I was my middle sons 10th birthday. So today he is 30.


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