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darthstar  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:30:45am

He was drunk.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:30:59am

His blood alcohol level is irrelevant: his brains are simply pickled.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:32:44am

Ladies and gentlemen - the car of the future:

The Lo Res Car Is a Truly Insane Vehicle — and I Drove It!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:35:21am

Shocked, shocked I say

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:40:00am

So, a satirical website posts a satire article about a small local Baseball team in Olney, MD (referring to a website called OlneyFans):

takomatorch.com

Idiot lawyers then file lawsuit:

and write a great letter in response:

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:41:55am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:42:51am

re: #5 BlueSpotinAL

So, a satirical website posts a satire article about a small local Baseball team:

takomatorch.com

Idiot lawyers then file lawsuit:

and write a great letter in response:

Lawyers gotta lawye.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:46:21am

re: #5 BlueSpotinAL

So, a satirical website posts a satire article about a small local Baseball team in Olney, MD (referring to a website called OlneyFans):

takomatorch.com

Idiot lawyers then file lawsuit:

and write a great letter in response:

[Embedded content]

perhaps baseball folks in Olney, Illinois, can also have a word or two.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:47:42am

Doesn’t matter if he was drunk.

That was a drunk-ass speech regardless.

If he can give that kind of speech while sober it just means a bunch of his brain cells are dead for other reasons.

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:49:58am

re: #9 The Ghost of a Flea

Doesn’t matter if he was drunk.

That was a drunk-ass speech regardless.

If he can give that kind of speech while sober it just means a bunch of his brain cells are dead for other reasons.

Probably the same vaccine that caused Nikki’s cousin’s fiancé swelling.

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:54:36am

Per washingtonpost.com:

The new Freedom to Vote Act retains significant portions of the For the People Act, Democrats’ marquee voting legislation that passed the House this year but was blocked by a Republican filibuster in June. Those include mandating national minimum standards for early voting and vote-by-mail, establishing Election Day as a national holiday, and creating new disclosure requirements for “dark money” groups that are not now required to disclose their donors.

But it also discards significant pieces and tweaks others, largely in an effort to placate Manchin and indulge his hopes of building enough Republican support to pass the bill. Overcoming a filibuster absent a rules change would require the support of 10 Republicans in addition to the 50 members of the Democratic caucus.

I do agree with Betty Cracker, balloon-juice.com:

Of course, the likelihood of 10 Republican senators voting to hobble their party’s most effective election strategy — suppressing the votes of likely Democratic voters — is about as likely as 10 unicorns flying over my house while pissing bucketfuls of Pappy Van Winkle 23 bourbon and shitting rashers of bacon. But should we be encouraged that Manchin’s colleagues find this exercise worth their time?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:56:41am

re: #11 Belafon

Okay Amy,

Now smack some sense into Sinema.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:57:59am

Remember when Bill Wyman the Rolling Stones bassist issued a cease-and-desist order against music critic Bill Wyman?

Can Bill Wyman be Bill Wyman? No, says Bill Wyman / Rock critic takes heat from rocker of same name

Journalist Bill Wyman has been Bill Wyman since his birth on Jan. 11, 1961. Musician Bill Wyman became Bill Wyman two years later. Before that, he was William George Perks, and not as prone to writing cease-and-desist letters.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 14, 2021 • 9:57:59am

re: #6 Hecuba’s daughter

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No Malarkey!  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:04:47am

I heard a report on MSNBC that Pfizer will apply for emergency use to vaccinate 5-11 year olds in early October.

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:07:27am

Charles, did you see my comment in the last thread?

Hey, Charles, I may have figured out the problems some of us are seeing on the site. The feature you have that pops up the last comment on a page allowing you to click on it and go to that comment is causing a number of buttons to stop working. If I click on the page link, or click on the comment count button, it doesn’t cause this problem. I just tested this multiple times, with multiple lgf tabs, so I don’t think it’s related to cookies or style sheets.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:08:19am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:09:45am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:10:54am

re: #16 Belafon

Do you mean the comment links on the front page?

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:12:36am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Do you mean the comment links on the front page?

Yes. The one where you hover and it pops up a link to the most recent comment on the page you want to go to. The one in the bottom right corner of each page panel on the front page. If I click that pop up link, I get the problem of buttons not working.

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:13:51am

I don’t have the vocabulary to distinguish between being on the front page and talking about the things you see related to each page and being on an individual page thread.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:13:54am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Bob Woodward’s new book has the president acting like a 6-year old schoolchild.

It’s mind-boggling that we had an actual president this fragile and needy.

It never cost him support from his base

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:18:40am

re: #10 Belafon

Probably the same vaccine that caused Nikki’s cousin’s fiancé swelling.

Big Balls

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steve_davis  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:21:04am

re: #5 BlueSpotinAL

So, a satirical website posts a satire article about a small local Baseball team in Olney, MD (referring to a website called OlneyFans):

takomatorch.com

Idiot lawyers then file lawsuit:

[Embedded content]

the special discount of “olney” 5000 bucks. Oh god! Laughing my ass off!!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:21:18am

re: #20 Belafon

Yes. The one where you hover and it pops up a link to the most recent comment on the page you want to go to. The one in the bottom right corner of each page panel on the front page. If I click that pop up link, I get the problem of buttons not working.

OK, I found the problem - it should be fixed now.

It was related to Twitter’s embedded tweet code. They’ve been messing around with that a lot lately and some things about it seem to be broken.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:24:55am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

What power or authority is being discussed here?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:26:28am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:27:12am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

What power or authority is being discussed here?

This is about Trump’s demand that Pence refuse to certify the election, something he didn’t even have the power to do.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:29:58am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

This is about Trump’s demand that Pence refuse to certify the election, something he didn’t even have the power to do.

Not having the authority to do something should be no hindrance to doing it if you are called upon to do it in order to remain a True Friend of Trump.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:30:33am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

This is about Trump’s demand that Pence refuse to certify the election, something he didn’t even have the power to do.

And then Trump unleashed his mob on Pence because he wouldn’t do what he can’t do.

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A Three Hour Tour  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:30:49am

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Bob Woodward’s new book has the president acting like a 6-year old schoolchild.

It’s mind-boggling that we had an actual president this fragile and needy.

It never cost him support from his base

I’ve said throughout his presidency that Trump has the mental faculties, speaking patterns, and emotional maturity of a small child.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:30:56am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Balls are a relative virtue not an absolute one.

Give Mike Pence balls and he’d apply them to shit like censoring Disney films while otherwise remaining a lickspittle.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:31:50am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

This is about Trump’s demand that Pence refuse to certify the election, something he didn’t even have the power to do.

Waaaait a minute, I just had a blinding moment of clarity. Mike Pence is the new Robert E. Lee. If the “Big Lie” is the same as the “Lost Cause”, draw the parallel: Pence is the scapegoat, the man who was asked to do the impossible, and when he wouldn’t (or couldn’t), everyone became convinced that the war (election) could have been won, if only…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:32:29am
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Dopamine Fish  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:33:06am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Anyone who was around in the 1990’s is terrified to read that sentence. The idea of J. Danforth Quayle saving, well, anything is anathema to us.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:33:43am

re: #33 Dopamine Fish

Waaaait a minute, I just had a blinding moment of clarity. Mike Pence is the new Robert E. Lee. If the “Big Lie” is the same as the “Lost Cause”, draw the parallel: Pence is the scapegoat, the man who was asked to do the impossible, and when he wouldn’t (or couldn’t), everyone became convinced that the war (election) could have been won, if only…

If Pence had stood up before Congress and said he refused to certify the results of the EC vote, he would have plunged the country into a massive Constitutional Crisis.

I assume that he had already talked to his friends in SCOTUS and they had refused to play along.

But Trump was not going to listen to any of that.

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A Three Hour Tour  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:33:54am

re: #33 Dopamine Fish

Waaaait a minute, I just had a blinding moment of clarity. Mike Pence is the new Robert E. Lee. If the “Big Lie” is the same as the “Lost Cause”, draw the parallel: Pence is the scapegoat, the man who was asked to do the impossible, and when he wouldn’t (or couldn’t), everyone became convinced that the war (election) could have been won, if only…

But Trump likes Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee would’ve defeated the Taliban.

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Teddy's Person  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:34:13am

Trump’s caught wind of those “I can’t wait to piss on his grave” stories.

As part of his in-depth look at Donald Trump’s deteriorating relationship with the locals in Bedminster, New Jersey, Business Insider’s Warren Rojas reported that the former president is currently in a stand-off with the local planning board over his desire to build a private cemetery where he would buried. Raw Story

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Teddy's Person  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:35:09am

re: #35 Dopamine Fish

Anyone who was around in the 1990’s is terrified to read that sentence. The idea of J. Danforth Quayle saving, well, anything is anathema to us.

To be fair, he did try to save us from single mom, Murphy Brown. ///

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:37:13am

re: #39 Teddy’s Person

To be fair, he did try to save us from single mom, Murphy Brown. ///

And to correct kids’ spelling of “PotatoE”

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:37:15am

re: #37 A Three Hour Tour

But Trump likes Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee would’ve defeated the Taliban.

Granted, the statue of Robert E Lee falling off his rearing horse because of a .60cal jezail round through the chest would definitely make a gallant statue.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:38:02am

re: #37 A Three Hour Tour

But Trump likes Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee would’ve defeated the Taliban.

Yes, but hopefully you see where I’m going with this. Revisionist historians who will continue to cling to the romanticized “Trump won and the election was stolen” narrative that the right wing has been foisting on us will try to rehabilitate his image as a man who wanted to do the right thing, but was prevented by the bumblings of others, a lack of cooperation with the plan, and/or the cruel machinations of The Establishment (tm). They don’t see him like that now, but the Lost Cause wasn’t born in a day, either.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:38:25am

Found an account on FB that spews massive amounts of anti-vaccine misinformation, and reported a lot of it. She has an alternative account she switches to when she gets a time out. FB should be permanently banning these people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:39:21am

I am amused by the notion of a draft dodger telling us that a General who could not defeat the Army of the Potomac was going to prevail in a country that had sent the Mongols, Turks, British, Red Army and US Army packing

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:40:02am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:42:31am

Robert E Lee: guy who fucks up taking a hill, gets rolled by a down-slope charge.

Afghans: guys that stage ambushes from the tops of hills.

I’m perfectly fine with the Confederacy invading Afghanistan, guys.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:44:44am

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am amused by the notion of a draft dodger telling us that a General who could not defeat US Grant was going to defeat an army that had sent the Mongols, Turks, British, Red Army and US Army packing

He’s not an arm chair general, he’s a phone sex operator.

He’s not second guessing old campaigns because he thinks he’s clever, he’s telling his audience their cock is big.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:46:56am

re: #45 jaunte

Jesus H. Fucking Christ, he really did try to kill us all.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:50:16am

re: #45 jaunte

Ah, yes.

The moment where you have to unload the household guns clandestinely.

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:51:46am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

If Pence had had even a teensy bit more self-confidence, he might have done what Trump wanted.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:53:13am

re: #47 The Ghost of a Flea

He’s not an arm chair general, he’s a phone sex operator.

He’s not second guessing old campaigns because he thinks he’s clever, he’s telling his audience their cock is big.

of course, that was just a big chunk of red meat for his base to chew on

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No Malarkey!  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:53:57am

re: #50 Belafon

If Pence had had even a teensy bit more self-confidence, he might have done what Trump wanted.

And then he would’ve been overruled, and the Senate President Pro Tem would’ve taken over the electoral vote count.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:54:19am

re: #50 Belafon

If Pence had had even a teensy bit more self-confidence, he might have done what Trump wanted.

I suspect that he looked into it but could not get even the Trump-packed SCOTUS to back him.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2021 • 10:57:31am

re: #52 No Malarkey!

And then he would’ve been overruled, and the Senate President Pro Tem would’ve taken over the electoral vote count.

Right - he simply didn’t have the constitutional authority to do it, and he wasn’t willing to take the fall for that rat bastard.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:00:32am

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Right - he simply didn’t have the constitutional authority to do it, and he wasn’t willing to take the fall for that rat bastard.

Right. Mike Pence is a terrible human being, but credit where due for at least being smart enough to not get sucked into that bullshit.

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Teddy's Person  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:01:17am

You can find a number of excerpts from the Woodward and Costa book at CNN including this nightmare.

Milley’s fear that Trump could do something unpredictable came from experience. Right after Trump lost the election, Milley discovered the President had signed a military order to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan by January 15, 2021, before he left the White House.

The memo had been secretly drafted by two Trump loyalists. No one on the national security team knew about it, according to the book. The memo was eventually nullified, but Milley could not forget that Trump had done an end run around his top military advisers.

Woodward and Costa write that after January 6, Milley ‘felt no absolute certainty that the military could control or trust Trump and believed it was his job as the senior military officer to think the unthinkable and take any and all necessary precautions.’

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:02:28am

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

of course, that was just a big chunk of red meat for his base to chew on

Pre-chewed meat delivered like a bird feeding its hatchlings.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:05:48am

re: #57 The Ghost of a Flea

Pre-chewed meat delivered like a bird feeding its hatchlings.

squeezed out of a tube like Invermectin

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Teddy's Person  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:08:20am

Jared was a spineless little twat until the end.

Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump took a light touch [in convincing Trump he lost], the authors write, and Kushner told aides he did not want to be the point person for an intervention.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:10:44am

re: #56 Teddy’s Person

Knowing that most GOP congresspeople had to know via the grapevine that all of this craziness has been coming from the Trump White House makes the performances in the recent hearings on Afghanistan even more hypocritically baroque.

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:13:53am

When Dan Quayle is the authority on constitutional law and what the certification of the election involves, you are truly fucked up. When Quayle’s the one who ultimately prevails on the constitutionality question, I throw in the towel altogether.

This is some Matrix level fuckery.

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:15:56am

re: #61 lawhawk

When Dan Quayle is the authority on constitutional law and what the certification of the election involves, you are truly fucked up. When Quayle’s the one who ultimately prevails on the constitutionality question, I throw in the towel altogether.

This is some Matrix level fuckery.

We all go to people we believe are knowledgeable. At least Pence went to someone pre-Bush 2.

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Jay C  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:18:34am

re: #61 lawhawk

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When Dan Quayle is the authority on constitutional law and what the certification of the election involves, you are truly fucked up. When Quayle’s the one who ultimately prevails on the constitutionality question, I throw in the towel altogether.

This is some Matrix level fuckery.

I’ll beg to (minorly) differ: When the Constitutional duties of the VP - and the limitations thereon - are so obvious that even a second-rate hack and intellectual lightweight like Dan Quayle can see them and realize what the right thing to do is … well, it just makes Trump and his failed-coup plans look even worse.
Though, disgracefully, his “base” probably won’t ever realize this.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:19:49am

re: #59 Teddy’s Person

Jared was a spineless little twat until the end.

So glad that fucker has disappeared from public view, like a scooped up dog turd.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:20:02am
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sagehen  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:21:00am
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Teddy's Person  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:22:53am

The fact that Pence even went shopping for legal justification to overturn the election results is horrifying. He should have know the duties, responsibilities and limitations of VP position already.

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darthstar  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:27:24am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Holy shit, you’re right…from the Sun:

PENCE’S INDECISION
Pence ultimately went against Trump’s wishes, though it was a decision he apparently tortured over to Dan Quayle, who had been the vice president to George H.W. Bush.

He allegedly reached out to Quayle over and over, asking if there was anything he could do.

When Quayle told him there wasn’t, Pence is said to have pressed: “You don’t know the position I’m in.”

“I do know the position you’re in,” Quayle responded. “I also know what the law is. You listen to the parliamentarian. That’s all you do. You have no power.”

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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:29:46am

re: #24 steve_davis

the special discount of “olney” 5000 bucks. Oh god! Laughing my ass off!!

I loved:

CC Streisand

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:30:41am

re: #56 Teddy’s Person

You can find a number of excerpts from the Woodward and Costa book at CNN including this nightmare.

Trump was going to nuke Afghanistan.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:31:53am

re: #67 Teddy’s Person

The fact that Pence even went shopping for legal justification to overturn the election results is horrifying. He should have know the duties, responsibilities and limitations of VP position already.

He wanted someone to take the fall for him if necesary.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:32:28am

re: #70 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump was going to nuke Afghanistan.

And this was BEFORE we got all our people out.

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teleskiguy  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:33:06am

attn: darthstar

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darthstar  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:36:58am

re: #38 Teddy’s Person

Trump’s caught wind of those “I can’t wait to piss on his grave” stories.

It’ll be the biggest crowd of people lined up since Obama’s inauguration. They’re going to have to bury him in the middle of yards of gravel just to provide adequate drainage.

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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:37:17am

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Right - he simply didn’t have the constitutional authority to do it, and he wasn’t willing to take the fall for that rat bastard.

..look like a complete idiot

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darthstar  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:38:08am

re: #75 Dangerman

..look like a complete idiot

Narrator: Pence still managed to come out of this looking like a complete idiot.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:38:32am

re: #74 darthstar

Maybe we CAN save the Colorado river watershed.

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darthstar  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:38:48am

re: #73 teleskiguy

attn: darthstar

Awesome dress!

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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:39:16am

re: #59 Teddy’s Person

Jared was a spineless little twat until the end.

The fucking president of the united states needed an “intervention”!!!!!

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teleskiguy  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:40:41am

Oh man. Norm MacDonald just died of cancer.

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teleskiguy  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:41:06am
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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:41:29am

re: #63 Jay C

I’ll beg to (minorly) differ: When the Constitutional duty of the VP - and the limitations thereon - are so obvious that even a second-rate hack and intellectual lightweight like Dan Quayle can see them and realize what the right thing to do is … well, it just makes Trump and his failed-coup plans look even worse.
Though, disgracefully, his “base” probably won’t ever realize this.

This! + many times

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:41:34am

“Aren’t you grateful some of us are capable of the actual minimum required to maintain the republic? How dare you correctly point out the ongoing strain of antidemocracy that’s been mounting?”

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:45:07am

re: #83 The Ghost of a Flea

“Don’t call us all violent; you wanna get punched?”

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:45:51am

re: #1 darthstar

He was drunk.

He was shitfaced drunk.

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teleskiguy  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:47:47am
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Dizzy  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:48:14am

JFC. How close were we to nuclear war?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:48:16am

re: #81 teleskiguy

Ugh, that sucks.

Norm went to the same college I did (different graduating years, obviously) and got his start in comedy in my hometown. His niece was in my college class while I was there and I got to meet his brother (who was a longtime broadcaster with the CBC) once.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:48:39am

re: #85 Ace Rothstein

He was shitfaced drunk.

He may have had just enough to feel normal, but there will be a lot of cumulative damage from his decades of drinking.

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piratedan  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:48:40am

re: #83 The Ghost of a Flea

yeah Tom! How nice that we had to go down the list of GOP political sentinels to land upon Dan Quayle to state that certifying a public election was valid…

thanks for clearing that “hurdle”.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:48:59am

re: #81 teleskiguy

He did the voice of “Pigeon” on the Mike Tyson Mystery Show on Cartoon Network. Sad news, indeed.

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:49:16am

re: #83 The Ghost of a Flea

“Aren’t you grateful some of us are capable of the actual minimum required to maintain the republic? How dare you correctly point out the ongoing strain of antidemocracy that’s been mounting?”

I remember people all over this site and other places knowing that we had to count on some Republicans doing the right thing. The fact that some of them did is the minimum requirement for being a good citizen, but I can’t even count on Democrats voting when their life depends on it, so I’m not going to crap on those who do the right thing when it’s needed. In fact, I’m going to be thankful they did.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:50:00am

Naked Capitalism: 18 Vaccine Experts, Including Top FDA Scientists, Publish Review in The Lancet Saying Current Evidence Doesn’t Support Need for COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for the Fully Vaccinated

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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:51:15am

re: #70 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump was going to nuke Afghanistan.

Apparently it was China

Twice in the final months of the Trump administration, the country’s top military officer was so fearful that the president’s actions might spark a war with China that he moved urgently to avert armed conflict,” the Washington Post reports.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:52:32am

Celebrity Jeopardy!: Sean Connery, Burt Reynolds, Jerry Lewis - SNL

I like how Norm didn’t even bother trying to do much of an impression, he just kind of looked like the guy.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:54:10am

re: #92 Belafon

I remember people all over this site and other places knowing that we had to count on some Republicans doing the right thing. The fact that some of them did is the minimum requirement for being a good citizen, but I can’t even count on Democrats voting when their life depends on it, so I’m not going to crap on those who do the right thing when it’s needed. In fact, I’m going to be thankful they did.

Yes, we should be thankful for the people who want to give us the same poison in smaller doses.

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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:57:37am

Emails show that senior advisers to President Trump in February 2020 privately discussed the government’s “critical mistakes” in preparing for the pandemic, countering the former president’s optimistic claims in public, the Washington Post reports.

Said adviser Steven Hatfill wrote to Peter Navarro on Feb. 29, 2020: “In truth we do not have a clue how many are infected in the USA. We are expecting the first wave to spread in the U.S. within the next 7 days. This will be accompanied by a massive loss of credibility and the Democratic accusations are just now beginning. This must be countered with frank honesty about the situation and decisive direct actions that are being taken and can be seen in the broadcast news.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:57:42am

re: #90 piratedan

yeah Tom! How nice that we had to go down the list of GOP political sentinels to land upon Dan Quayle to state that certifying a public election was valid…

thanks for clearing that “hurdle”.

It makes sense. Quayle was the last GOP VP who had to certify that his President, who had served only one term, had lost the election. So the situation was analogous.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2021 • 11:59:58am

re: #96 The Ghost of a Flea

Yes, we should be thankful for the people who want to give us the same poison in smaller doses.

Unless we’re ready for the revolution the accelerationists have been jonesing for, yeah. Let’s accept a small favor.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:00:10pm

re: #98 Hecuba’s daughter

It makes sense. Quayle was the last GOP VP who had to certify that his President, who had served only one term, had lost the election. So the situation was analogous.

Except H.W. Bush, at least, wasn’t a complete narcissistic psychopath who would sooner destroy the world than admit he lost the election.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:01:38pm
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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:01:46pm

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:04:48pm

re: #101 jaunte

Hey, Manchin, Sinema, where’s your ten Republicans going to come from?

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Teddy's Person  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:05:57pm

re: #101 jaunte

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The Republican Platform is now burn it all down (and blame Biden). Instead of war with China, we’ll be giving them [insert state here] to pay off our debt.

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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:06:15pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:07:12pm

re: #101 jaunte

We failed to crush these mofos in 2020. If that happens again in 2022, we have thrown the nation away.

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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:10:55pm

Today:

Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) reiterated that Democrats will not get GOP help in raising the debt ceiling: “Republicans are united in opposition to raising the debt ceiling.”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:14:00pm
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sagehen  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:17:32pm

re: #104 Teddy’s Person

The Republican Platform is now burn it all down (and blame Biden). Instead of war with China, we’ll be giving them [insert state here] to pay off our debt.

Mississippi. I vote me we give them Mississippi. And maybe Alabama. If need be, also North Dakota.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:18:14pm

It surely has nothing to do with LGF’s concern for that poor guy in Trinidad, but I’m suddenly getting emailed offers for dick stiffeners.

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:18:38pm

re: #104 Teddy’s Person

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:19:00pm

re: #109 sagehen

Mississippi. I vote me we give them Mississippi. And maybe Alabama. If need be, also North Dakota.

Ahem.

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sagehen  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:19:44pm

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Ahem.

You and the Mrs can sleep on my couch.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:21:09pm

re: #113 sagehen

You and the Mrs can sleep on my couch.

How far are you from Katz’s?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:21:39pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:21:47pm

A President who has been on the covid case since day one, consistently advocating for vaccinations and mask wearing and acting like an adult in the process has his approval rating for his handling of covid go down, while his predecessor who called it a hoax, said it would be gone in two weeks, and then advocating injecting bleach is considered the favorite for the GOP nomination in three years. We are totally fucked as a nation.

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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:26:03pm

re: #111 lawhawk

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the republican position:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:26:07pm

we don’t wear masks to protect ourselves, you moron

and he’s such a big fat liar:

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:26:21pm
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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:28:29pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

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here’s the flip side to the fox hosts being vaccinated

Vanity Fair: “In fact, between June 28 and August 8 — as ICUs became overwhelmed and COVID cases among children in the U.S. jumped — Fox News’ anti-vaccination campaign got even worse; according to a report from Media Matters, the network aired 840 claims undermining or downplaying vaccinations, with hosts and guests suggesting the lifesaving immunizations were unnecessary, dangerous, a violation of personal freedom, and a plot by Democrats to win elections.”

“Which is obviously a uniquely fucked-up position to take considering vaccines have been proved to work and are our only hope of one day getting out of this nightmare. Also fucked up? That Fox hosts obviously know this and are personally following COVID protocols off the air, but assume their viewers are stupid enough to buy that they’re all in this together.”

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sagehen  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:29:03pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

How far are you from Katz’s?

according to Google Maps, 5.6 miles. Or 34 minutes. (yes, we have traffic)

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:29:36pm

How does Dan Quayle even get on the “guy to ask” list? When did Dan Quayle ever have to look into this? Seriously it must be a call the chief justice moment, maybe a conference call with the AG.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:29:56pm
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aatharuv  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:30:23pm

re: #122 Rightwingconspirator

How does Dan Quayle even get on the “guy to ask” list? When did Dan Quayle ever have to look into this? Seriously it must be a call the chief justice moment, maybe a conference call with the AG.

He’s a fellow Republican from Indiana.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:31:24pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s entirely full of shit.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:31:38pm

re: #121 sagehen

according to Google Maps, 5.6 miles. Or 34 minutes. (yes, we have traffic)

We could stop at Paddy O’Reilly’s and catch the Prodigals on the way down.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:31:58pm

re: #107 Dangerman

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Today:
Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) reiterated that Democrats will not get GOP help in raising the debt ceiling: “Republicans are united in opposition to raising the debt ceiling.”

McConnell has upped his game. His goal in 2009 was to make Obama a one-term president but he had far fewer forces at his disposal back then. Now, with an evenly divided Senate, it will not take much to destroy the Biden administration. Our democracy is hanging on a thread and it’s fraying as we watch.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:32:04pm

re: #124 aatharuv

He’s a fellow Republican from Indiana.

Who actually did preside over the same ceremonial process Trump wanted Pence to short-circuit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:32:28pm

*thud*

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:33:31pm

re: #124 aatharuv

He’s a fellow Republican from Indiana.

And the last VP that had to preside over certifying the opponent winning.

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sagehen  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:33:44pm

re: #124 aatharuv

He’s a fellow Republican from Indiana.

Also used to be VP to a guy who lost re-election.

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:34:35pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

*thud*

Ever heard of a meat processing plant, Matt?

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retired cynic  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:38:27pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

It surely has nothing to do with LGF’s concern for that poor guy in Trinidad, but I’m suddenly getting emailed offers for dick stiffeners.

So am I, but it isn’t going to do me any good!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:38:45pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Most of the construction sites I pass around here are filled with Latino looking folks. I’d guess a fair number are not here legally.

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gwangung  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:38:55pm

re: #132 Belafon

Ever heard of a meet processing plant, Matt?

Nannies/child care? Construction?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:39:19pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

It surely has nothing to do with LGF’s concern for that poor guy in Trinidad, but I’m suddenly getting emailed offers for dick stiffeners.

Well, they can be a hard sell sometimes.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:39:45pm
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sagehen  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:39:59pm

re: #135 gwangung

Nannies/child care? Construction?

restaurants. hotels.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:40:02pm

Part of me wishes trump actually tried to go through with this shit. Then he’d be rotting in federal prison.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:41:52pm

re: #124 aatharuv

He’s a fellow Republican from Indiana.

That I did not put together. Good point.

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John Hughes  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:43:09pm

re: #73 teleskiguy

She should have worn the real slogan: “Eat the Rich”.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:43:23pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

Who actually did preside over the same ceremonial process Trump wanted Pence to short-circuit.

Another good point. I just stand corrected.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:44:47pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

*thud*

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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:45:07pm

re: #138 sagehen

restaurants. hotels.

schools

even governments are nothing but people and office space

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:45:14pm

re: #138 sagehen

restaurants. hotels.

ag workers

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:45:37pm

Read Pergram’s thread… there’s quite a bit to take in, including parliamentary procedures, filibusters, reconciliation, and overrides.

How do we get away from this? Nuke the filibuster and return to regular order. Bills would need simple majorities to pass the legislature, and no procedure would require a supermajority to act, especially as it relates to nominations and the Courts.

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ckkatz  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:49:42pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

How far are you from Katz’s?

By the way, Katz’s Delicatessen does internet orders. It’s very pricey but, based upon my experience, it seems to be able to get stuff where it is supposed to go in time.

katzsdelicatessen.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:49:50pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:50:11pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:52:18pm

re: #147 ckkatz

By the way, Katz’s Delicatessen does internet orders. It’s very pricey but, based upon my experience, it seems to be able to get stuff where it is supposed to go in time.

katzsdelicatessen.com

Before the plague, the Sisterhood at our town’s temple would do a yearly Sandwich Day, with deli driven down from Birmingham or flown into our commuter airport from Atlanta.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:53:01pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No Malarkey!  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:56:36pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

The quality of these photos is stunning.

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:56:56pm

I’m going to go on a limb and say that it’s someone who goes on Facebook and sees a served up headline that says ivermectin is a miracle cure that the FDA is suppressing from use because “reasons”, or that “betadine” is preventative treatment because it’s an antibacterial.

And that’s all there is to it. Once you start down that rabbit hole of right wing agitprop, social media keeps serving up the same crap. At same time, it’s all they hear from Carlson and Hannity (who are both required to be vaccinated by *FOX*).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:57:15pm

everybody getting their campaign ad soundbites

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No Malarkey!  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:57:31pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank dog that fascist is finally off twitter. I hope it’s permanent.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 14, 2021 • 12:59:42pm

re: #146 lawhawk

Read Pergram’s thread… there’s quite a bit to take in, including parliamentary procedures, filibusters, reconciliation, and overrides.

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How do we get away from this? Nuke the filibuster and return to regular order. Bills would need simple majorities to pass the legislature, and no procedure would require a supermajority to act, especially as it relates to nominations and the Courts.

In prehistoric times, the filibuster was used sparingly and almost all legislation required only a majority vote. But that has become increasingly untrue over the past 30 years and now our government is no longer functional. The future looks bleak if Biden cannot succeed in getting his infrastructure packages and voting rights bill through the Congress.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:03:32pm
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Teddy's Person  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:05:03pm

Texas Man giving Florida Man a run for his money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:05:33pm
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ckkatz  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:11:26pm

From last thread:

re: #199 Axolotl

Does anybody know how many people are expected at Saturday’s rally?

My daughter is a freshman at American University and I’m trying to gauge how concerned I should be.

re: #219 Barefoot Grin

I heard the Capitol Police spokesman yesterday say that their best guess is several hundred and that they will have fences up by the end of the week.

In short, my thought is that unless she goes looking for trouble, she’s probably fine.

I think that there are two parts to this.

First, the events Saturday daytime.

These will be concentrated in the Capitol Hill/National Mall region. Those are on a different hilltop/valley from that of American University. And several miles and multiple neighborhoods away. Iirc, public transportation, particularly the metro (subway) does not provide convenient direct service betwixt the two areas.

I would recommend that she avoid those areas as she would be indistinguishable from the herd of Trumper cannon-fodder. And would likely be treated as such, by both the Trumper leadership and the LEO (Law Enforcement Organizations).

Second, Friday and Saturday night.

There is the possibility of thugs like the proud boys running around in groups and randomly attacking passerby. If previous events are to predict, most of these thugs will be on foot and will spread out in groups from around the event (Capitol Hill/National Mall) area. They are not likely to go more than a few miles before they either get arrested or get bored and go back to their flea bag motels in Arlington.

Personally, I would avoid some of the closely located commercial areas like Capitol Hill, Dupont Circle, and Georgetown. And I would keep up situational awareness. If there is a group of clone-like males acting like jerks, it’s probably time to leave that area.

Anyway, when people are acting like assholes, why spend more time around them? Or worse yet, try to engage them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:14:49pm
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ckkatz  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:15:01pm

re: #158 Teddy’s Person

Texas Man giving Florida Man a run for his money.

Because “Hold my beer” moments always turn out well…

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Dangerman  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:16:38pm

re: #153 lawhawk

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mmmirele  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:19:00pm

re: #31 A Three Hour Tour

I’ve said throughout his presidency that Trump has the mental faculties, speaking patterns, and emotional maturity of a small child.

This is why I have absolutely ZERO problem calling out Evangelicals for their support of the former guy, even now. Because it’s a cult.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:19:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:20:06pm
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mmmirele  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:25:17pm

re: #61 lawhawk

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When Dan Quayle is the authority on constitutional law and what the certification of the election involves, you are truly fucked up. When Quayle’s the one who ultimately prevails on the constitutionality question, I throw in the towel altogether.

This is some Matrix level fuckery.

In defense of Dan Quayle, he does have a JD from Indiana University-Indianapolis (now IUPUI). So not completely stupid. But yeah, Quayle helping to save the nation was not on my Insurrection Bingo card.

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ckkatz  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:26:30pm

re: #122 Rightwingconspirator

How does Dan Quayle even get on the “guy to ask” list? When did Dan Quayle ever have to look into this? Seriously it must be a call the chief justice moment, maybe a conference call with the AG.

Forget it Jake, it’s Indiana…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:33:56pm

CV Day 5—Everybody is kind of coasting. Wife has resumed her lockdown abuse of Amazon Prime shipping.

Tomorrow was to be launch of our monster camping trip, with 16 moves in 6 weeks, to the northernmost mile marker of US1. Big stops included DC, Hawk Mountain PA, a couple nights on the Hudson River at Jersey City. (We were going to bring our own couch, Sagehen.) We planned to zip across Brooklyn and Queens to take a WWII LST/ferry from Montauk to New London, and bounce up the coast.

On the way back we were to bump off the terminal of the Erie Canal at Albany, go on to a lakeside park on Lake Ontario (staying at a winery on the way). Then across Erie to PGH area, on to Portsmouth OH to walk the serpent mound, Louisville area, then past the site of the Battle of Bowling Green to a TN park, a park near Huntsville, and home.

It was to involve family we had never seen, and some we will not see again. Delta CV screwed it, but we will plan again and better for 2022. Might wind up doorknocking for Fetterman on the way.

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ckkatz  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:34:05pm

re: #11 Belafon

My guess is that the political calculation is

- benefit is to show that Republicans refuse to responsibly govern or work with Democrats for the benefit of the country as a whole.

- cost is the calendar time required to go through with the theater

The objective is to convince members of the public that the Democrats generally have to take action on their own. This would be separate from convincing people that any proposed solution is the correct one.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:34:57pm

re: #92 Belafon

I don’t care about individual good Republicans doing the right thing. That’s merely…nice that people can perform the absolute minimum of not being fascist.

I care about the systemic problem of Republican power brokers using their own base’s bad behavior as leverage to make the country do what they want. The center right creates economic and international-relations consequences that feed the far right’s reaction as material conditions get worse and the need for explanatory structures (that are not “free markets are actually rigged and unregulated capitalism is killing you”) leads to further scapegoating and further escalation towards eliminationism.

It’s a ratchet: the far right goes farther and the center right declares that the only way to defend against the far right is to do what the center right wants. The gear lurches us towards fascism while the pawl keeps us from adequately responding to worsening conditions that relate to income inequality, oligarchy, and a rigged market. So the choice we keep getting presented with by these people is “conservatism that facilitates fascism…or fascism” isn’t really a choice for problems to be solved or life to get better, it’s just a choice to suffer under different conditions.

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Unless we’re ready for the revolution the accelerationists have been jonesing for, yeah. Let’s accept a small favor.

I would accept a favor if it was a favor. But this is a protection racket where the mobster gets offended if you don’t play along that you’re just friends doing some business.

Goodfellas: Fuck You, Pay Me

This is a transaction, and the people opining on what Dems must do to make “Never Trumpers” happy are defining the terms of the transaction while also wheedling about how it’s rude to actually state aloud this is a transaction. The fact that individuals within the exploitative system view themselves as good faith actors doesn’t change what the entire system does.

Here is David Frum dictating the terms of the transaction: Never Trumpers must be coddled in a way they will not coddle others. The culture must bend to be nice to them; their insecurity as whites must never be called out; and don’t fuck with the big money by addressing trade or immigration in ways they don’t like.

Give Never Trumpers everything they want and we will still be heading towards fascism, because what they want materially creates the kind of privation and desperation that leads people to authoritarianism, and Never Trumpism does not possess the cultural power to disconnect that desire for direct, bloody solutions from the long-established right-wing folklore in which all problems are caused by outsiders and weirdos and solved by cruelty and blind obedience.

Indeed, they sell a milder version of the same premise: that their base’s ugliness is self-defense, that they can demand to not be contradicted because that would be rudeness. It’s elongated “both sides” rhetoric, but with an explicit objective—don’t fuck with the money, don’t tell us we’ve been wrong—in mind

Trumpism is just a vulgar expression of the same shit Ronald Reagan pulled—though the latter actually did a far more significant bit of treason that the next president doled out pardons for—and anyone trying to tell you there was some kind of stab in the back…that this isn’t a natural elaboration of welfare queens and Iran Contra…is either a liar or a fool. Many are some hybrid variety of both…looking backwards and finding a conservative moral center that was never real, revising their own positions so that they don’t have to admit that not only were they wrong but the people they despised and dismissed were right.

That they have only ever been able to obtain their objectives by farming a base of reactionaries—actively encouraging an enclosed society of sadistic rubes that they mis-represent their policies to and then invent dolstosslegende when they fail to produce the promised outcomes—simply does not register as notable, apparently. That their policies has never achieved their putative material outcomes apparently also does not matter. Where exactly is the utility in teaming up with fools and/or liars? When they had their power they couldn’t meet their goal without appeasing ur-fascists…and just like the German “conservatives” that did that it’s gotten out of control. What, exactly, do they bring to the party?

If this was business rather than politics…these people would be fools or liars whose account books don’t match their claims.

Everything will get worse for everyone but them—the things they are demanding for their cooperation move money and power to their backers—and their stated principles have never before stopped them from believing that people can be discarded opportunistically. They haven’t abandoned the core conservative premise of hierarchy in which they are the better kind, they simply have a less bloody vision of their own dominion. The largest demands of these people is that their new “allies” should discard policies and individuals that suggest solutions that actually would affect the material conditions of this country in ways that would improve lives and decrease desperation.

The idea that these people possess a pivot upon which this country can be restored is…ignis fatuous. They don’t control the culture they catalyzed, the positions they hold have demonstrably produced failures that have created the problems we have, and they’re not even reliable allies because their capacity for self-evaluation isn’t deep enough for them to acknowledge that the specific things they have chosen to do have created the outcomes they have created.

If you think hot revolution is coming…start preparing for hot revolution, because nothing that’s being proposed by these people that are needed to make a not-fascist quorum actually address real problems that will stop societal decline.
If your societal status quo is creating the conditions that lead to revolt or reaction, you cannot stop that by maintaining the status quo.

Conservative economics is killing us…and the entire world….and the only way to conceal it’s consistent butcher’s bill is to lean into social conservative explanatory structures that either make the suffering and death earned or inevitable. But as privation gets worse, the explanations have to get bigger and more extreme. That particular ratchet has been turned many, many times—men now preaching Never Trumpism have turned that ratchet when it suited their needs—and now there’s a culture that’s just fully accommodated the idea that the world can only be fixed by targeted death and suffering rather than merely letting people die from their circumstances unremarked.

What they’re offering is…a slightly slower descent into the abyss, at the cost of forbidding measures that could actually save us from the abyss.

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sagehen  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:40:33pm

re: #147 ckkatz

By the way, Katz’s Delicatessen does internet orders. It’s very pricey but, based upon my experience, it seems to be able to get stuff where it is supposed to go in time.

katzsdelicatessen.com

My grandparents were Lower East Side people, they loved Katz’s. I’m an Upper West Side girl, it’s Zabar’s for me.

Check out their kosher L’Shana Tova basket:
zabars.com

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nines09  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:41:35pm

Today’s nature pic. Fall awaits as winter puts on its shoes up north.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:43:15pm

re: #172 sagehen

My grandparents were Lower East Side people, they loved Katz’s. I’m an Upper West Side girl, it’s Zabar’s for me.

Check out their kosher L’Shana Tova basket:
zabars.com

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“Send a salami to your boy in the Ahmy.”

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:44:20pm

re: #160 ckkatz

From last thread:

In short, my thought is that unless she goes looking for trouble, she’s probably fine.

I think that there are two parts to this.

First, the events Saturday daytime.

These will be concentrated in the Capitol Hill/National Mall region. Those are on a different hilltop/valley from that of American University. And several miles and multiple neighborhoods away. Iirc, public transportation, particularly the metro (subway) does not provide convenient direct service betwixt the two areas.

I would recommend that she avoid those areas as she would be indistinguishable from the herd of Trumper cannon-fodder. And would likely be treated as such, by both the Trumper leadership and the LEO (Law Enforcement Organizations).

Second, Friday and Saturday night.

There is the possibility of thugs like the proud boys running around in groups and randomly attacking passerby. If previous events are to predict, most of these thugs will be on foot and will spread out in groups from around the event (Capitol Hill/National Mall) area. They are not likely to go more than a few miles before they either get arrested or get bored and go back to their flea bag motels in Arlington.

Personally, I would avoid some of the closely located commercial areas like Capitol Hill, Dupont Circle, and Georgetown. And I would keep up situational awareness. If there is a group of clone-like males acting like jerks, it’s probably time to leave that area.

Anyway, when people are acting like assholes, why spend more time around them? Or worse yet, try to engage them.

Could be any Friday or Saturday night in Georgetown….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:44:36pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:46:17pm

Stop believing that sincerity is meaningful unto itself.

Good or bad faith, the kinds of policy these people want created the problems that we’re having.

The Faustian bargain they’re offering is: we are not allowed to point out that they were culpable in what the nation has become, and as compensation we will come together to do more of the same while anticipating a different outcome.

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Teddy's Person  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:46:53pm

re: #173 Juan Carlos Mescalero

Nature. Schamature.

I want a Cooper pic!!

If I don’t get it, well, to quote an EX-president, “I don’t want to be your friend anymore.”

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ckkatz  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:46:59pm

re: #5 BlueSpotinAL

So, a satirical website posts a satire article about a small local Baseball team in Olney, MD (referring to a website called OlneyFans):

takomatorch.com

Idiot lawyers then file lawsuit:

and write a great letter in response:

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:51:40pm

Also stop believing that the “center” axiomatically cannot be radical.

Once you start proposed that things cannot be different—that failed policy must continue even if it kills people or just burns money—and that the way things are done is FINE even if things a perceptibly not-fine…you are a radical.

You’re a villager from Shirley Jackson’s “The Lottery.”

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nines09  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:56:34pm

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Teddy's Person  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:58:08pm

re: #181 Juan Carlos Mescalero

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:58:58pm

re: #169 Decatur Deb

On the way back we were to bump off the terminal of the Erie Canal at Albany, go on to a lakeside park on Lake Ontario (staying at a winery on the way). Then across Erie to PGH area, on to Portsmouth OH to walk the serpent mound, Louisville area, then past the site of the Battle of Bowling Green to a TN park, a park near Huntsville, and home.

you will pass within 3 miles of my place on your way from Portsmouth to Louisville, so you MUST stop by when you reschedule the trip.

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Teukka  Sep 14, 2021 • 1:59:14pm

re: #176 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

With what I’ve learned to expect from them MAGAts?
Setting them on fire and impaling USCP and political opponents with them?

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sagehen  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:01:12pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

“Send a salami to your boy in the Ahmy.”

Socks. And beef jerky. They can always use more socks and beef jerky.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:02:37pm

re: #181 Juan Carlos Mescalero

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ckkatz  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:03:28pm

Btw…

With Hurricane Nicholas in the area, how are our Houston area Lizards doing?

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sagehen  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:04:57pm

re: #177 The Ghost of a Flea

Stop believing that sincerity is meaningful unto itself.

Good or bad faith, the kinds of policy these people want created the problems that we’re having.

The Faustian bargain they’re offering is: we are not allowed to point out that they were culpable in what the nation has become, and as compensation we will come together to do more of the same while anticipating a different outcome.

Some of them don’t mind that we point that out. Stuart Stevens even wrote a whole book about it, It Was All a Lie: How the Republican Party Became Donald Trump

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:06:29pm

ding ding ding

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nines09  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:06:47pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:08:05pm

re: #190 Juan Carlos Mescalero

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Teddy's Person  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:08:30pm

More excerpts from CNN.

But after the Electoral College affirmed that Biden won the White House in December, McConnell delivered a floor speech recognizing Biden as President-elect. Trump called McConnell immediately afterward and “spewed expletives,” according to the book.

“And this is the thanks I got?” Trump asked. “You never really got me. You don’t understand me.”

“We can’t do it without you, Mr. President,” Graham told Trump after a round of golf in May, according to the authors. “You have to help us. But you’re going to have to focus on the future, not the past, to maximize our chance at success.”

Then Graham gave Trump a dose of tough love in a phone call, telling Trump, “You fucked your presidency up,” according to the book. Trump abruptly hung up.

I suspect the next excerpt CNN drops will be the story of how Trump ran through the White House screaming “KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!”

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Teukka  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:10:17pm

re: #192 Teddy’s Person

More excerpts from CNN.

I suspect the next excerpt CNN drops will be the story of how Trump ran through the White House screaming “KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!”

Over/under on someone having a camera out? 🍿🍿🍿

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:11:04pm

re: #185 sagehen

Socks. And beef jerky. They can always use more socks and beef jerky.

“Tend to their feet, Youngbody, they’re no good to you without feet.”

wearethemighty.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:12:14pm
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ckkatz  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:15:12pm

re: #172 sagehen

My grandparents were Lower East Side people, they loved Katz’s. I’m an Upper West Side girl, it’s Zabar’s for me.

Check out their kosher L’Shana Tova basket:
zabars.com

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Thanks! I need to check them out. I am ‘required’ to retaliate at my siblings for sending me stuff from online places like Katz’s. :)

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nines09  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:15:24pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:15:41pm
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nines09  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:18:29pm

re: #182 Teddy’s Person

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2021 • 2:20:52pm

re: #171 The Ghost of a Flea

I don’t know about you, but I have often had to accept help from people that I otherwise wouldn’t have anything else to do with.

As for the Lincoln Project, their members have stated more than once that their job is not to dictate the Democrats agenda, and they have resisted doing that when they would have had the opportunity. There have been no “If the Democrats would only do this” related to policy; it’s only been in how they think it would be better to do more direct attacks on Republicans.

I am definitely a “work with Stalin” guy. When we’re truly on the other side of this, we can evaluate what it means to be an ally. But we cannot win with only Democrats. And I’m not beyond a few thanks every now and then, and a few less “but you started this” especially with those that have apologized.

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JC1  Sep 14, 2021 • 3:03:08pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

He’s probably right. It’s not political, it’s purely religious.

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JC1  Sep 14, 2021 • 3:15:10pm

re: #103 Belafon

Hey, Manchin, Sinema, where’s your ten Republicans going to come from?

Can’t that be made part of the reconciliation bill? Dems could pass this but they want to have the GOP on record.

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ckkatz  Sep 14, 2021 • 4:56:51pm

The Washington Post has an article up on the expectations regarding Saturday RWNJ event:

D.C. officials think a demonstration planned for Saturday by far-right groups supporting the rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 will prove to be a small gathering, attracting no more than a few hundred people.

But city leaders are worried that those who do attend may bring firearms illegally, setting up the potential for clashes in an area expected to be bustling on Saturday with crowds at multiple events: the annual H Street festival in Northeast that typically attracts thousands; a Howard University football game at Audi Field in Southwest; a baseball game at Nationals Park; and a Harry Styles concert at Capital One Arena downtown.

…snip…

Geldart said he and other D.C. public safety officials have been monitoring social media conversations relating to the far-right protest. “There are calls on some of the disparate sites for folks to come armed,” he said. D.C. regulations make it illegal for most nonresidents to carry guns in the city, a law that the mayoral staff members brought up in their conversations with H Street workers.

D.C. prepares for far-right protesters during day of festivals, gatherings
washingtonpost.com


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