Amazing Music From Veracruz: Silvana Estrada, Tiny Desk (Home) Concert

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From Sept. 15 through Oct. 15, Tiny Desk is celebrating Hispanic Heritage Month with an “El Tiny” takeover of the (home) concert series, featuring J Balvin, Camila Cabello and several more musicians from all corners of Latinidad.

Anamaria Sayre | September 27, 2021
Silvana Estrada’s angelic first note strikes, and for a moment her family’s instrument workshop in Veracruz, Mexico, feels like a window to the heavens themselves.

Adorned in a white dress and a radiant smile, the singer-songwriter and multi-instrumentalist invites us to participate in a rich and varied expression of familial love and musical brilliance. She wastes no time entrancing her audience, using a stripped-down performance of “Un Día Cualquiera” — accompanied by nothing but soft claps and subtle harmonies — to showcase her impeccable vocal precision and range.

After a sweet “Bienvenidos,” Estrada picks up the Venezuelan cuatro — her most beloved magic-making tool — and jumps into a sublimely arranged, effortlessly enchanting rendition of “Tristeza.” Then, halfway through “Te Guardo,” something extraordinary happens: the sound of stringed instruments comes out of nowhere, and as Estrada steps away from her microphone, the camera follows, exposing a string quartet set up just off screen. After that moving reveal, Estrada takes a seat and begins to perform “Marchita,” where strings, cuatro, and voice marry in indiscernible harmony.

Shifting scenes once again, Estrada moves outside and we meet her papa, armed with a double bass. Father and daughter conjure a musical manifestation of pure love with a stunning performance of “Tonada De Ordeño [El Ordeñador].” Though the traditional Venezuelan tune is a longtime favorite, this performance is different. A butterfly takes a seat on Silvana’s mic and the camera zooms out to reveal the other instrumentalists in the workshop looking on in knowing admiration. Silvana’s voice reverberates across the Veracruz hillside and the world exhales, basking in a fleeting moment of divinity on earth.

SET LIST
“Un día cualquiera”
“Tristeza”
“Te Guardo”
“Marchita”
“Tonada De Ordeño [El Ordeñador]” written by Antonio Estévez

MUSICIANS
Silvana Estrada: vocals, cuatro venezolano
Gustavo Guerrero: vocals, percussion
Laura Itandehui: vocals
Cristina Raquel Arista Estévez: cello
Carlos Roberto Gandara García: violin
Leonelys Sanchez Camacho: violin
Anna Arnal Ferrer: viola
David Estrada: vocals, double bass

CREDITS
Video: Julio Llorente, Jorge Tirado
Audio: Daniel Bitrán Arizpe, Leonel Carmona
Arrangements: Juanma Trujillo
Camera: Nicolas Grill
Art Direction: Jimena Estíbaliz, Laura Adan
Color: Esteban Robles
Management: Edwin Erazo

TINY DESK TEAM
Producers: Anamaria Sayre, Bobby Carter
Video Producer: Maia Stern
Audio Mastering: Josh Rogosin
Alt.Latino ‘El Tiny’ Team: Felix Contreras, Reanna Cruz, Anaïs Laurent, Stefanie Fernandez
Tiny Production Team: Bob Boilen, Kara Frame, Sofie Hernandez-Simeonidis
Executive Producer: Keith Jenkins
Senior VP, Programming: Anya Grundmann

#nprmusic #tinydesk #eltiny #silvanaestrada

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297 comments
1
No Malarkey!  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:06:09pm

Tucker engaged in cutting edge reporting on the war against Christianity.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:11:53pm

re: #1 No Malarkey!

That’s why Bobo tweeted this earlier. She’s mimicking Dear Leader nicely, live tweeting Fox News.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:16:34pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

That’s why Bobo tweeted this earlier. She’s mimicking Dear Leader nicely, live tweeting Fox News.

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God is not Government.

Problem solved.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:22:44pm

re: #3 Barefoot Grin

God is not Government.

Problem solved.

Who signs her paycheck?

5
Charles Johnson  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:24:23pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:24:47pm

” A Bay Area news anchor has been “suspended indefinitely” for requesting to cover “missing white woman syndrome” in relation to the Gabby Petito case, The Mercury News reported.

KTVU news anchor Frank Somerville was removed from air over a newsroom dispute involving coverage of the Petito case. Somerville, the father of a Black adopted daughter, reportedly requested to add a brief tagline drawing attention to the disproportionate media coverage that missing white women tend to receive compared with women of color.

The Mercury News noted that the term used to describe the media phenomenon, “missing white woman syndrome,” was coined by the late PBS anchor Gwen Ifill. …”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:24:51pm
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dat_said  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:26:33pm

re: #1 No Malarkey!

Tucker engaged in cutting edge reporting on the war against Christianity.

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I see the Fox News graphics folks have taken the wrong message from Darrell Huff’s classic book “How to Lie with Statistcs”.

incrementaleconomics.com

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HypnoToad  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:26:59pm

Smoky afternoon sun from Laverne, Ca. half an hour ago. 400mm f/11

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gwangung  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:28:31pm

re: #6 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Isn’t KTVU telling us straight up they’re some pretty fragile white folks?

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A Mom Anon  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:28:43pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Amazing artwork, simply stunning.

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Dangerman  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:30:55pm

From below

re: #243 Thanos

Tylenol has been around a long time, I highly doubt any fetal tissue research was used for its initial discovery back in the late 1800’s.

Agreed.
But the claim is any drug tested on fetal cell line HEK-293 (Not even grown on).

One link here

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Decatur Deb  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:39:52pm

re: #10 gwangung

Isn’t KTVU telling us straight up they’re some pretty fragile white folks?

Is there a lot of societal value in trying to manage the fairly prurient interests of the public at large? The fix might be rather cumbersome.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:42:57pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 27, 2021 • 6:49:05pm
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The GOP is a terrorist organization  Sep 27, 2021 • 7:09:04pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Sep 27, 2021 • 7:10:30pm
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No Malarkey!  Sep 27, 2021 • 7:11:42pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Sep 27, 2021 • 7:14:50pm

re: #246 Thanos

Recombinant DNA was first discovered in 1972, before that the means and knowledge did not really exist.

There were immortal cell lines that existed prior to the discovery of restriction enzymes, which is what I guess you are referring to when you say recombinant DNA techniques.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 27, 2021 • 7:17:57pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2021 • 7:19:52pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 27, 2021 • 7:33:48pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 27, 2021 • 7:44:57pm

The La Palma volcano started back up tonight. Amazing image of the lava fountains. Watching the video is almost like watching an old Disney animation, with the larger vent in the background throwing up lava mixed in the ash/dust so it looks animated, with the slightly lower and near vent pumping out mostly just lava:

I just wish the video quality was better. Whoever is running the video camera has grossly over-sharpened the video.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 27, 2021 • 7:45:30pm

re: #4 Dave In Austin

Who signs her paycheck?

Her campaign donors.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 27, 2021 • 7:51:56pm

re: #4 Dave In Austin

Who signs her paycheck?

Correction. She signs them herself. She steals the money from her campaign, pays herself, gets caught, and no one fucking cares.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 27, 2021 • 7:55:02pm

When the volcano started back up it pumped out a tremendous amount of lava that made or some stunning images as it was running down the mountain slope:

Day 9: Surreal Lava Flow Resumes at La Palma Volcano, Canary Islands

..

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 27, 2021 • 7:55:50pm

Apple said they will send a reset to my alternate Apple ID on October 10th….

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 27, 2021 • 8:03:47pm

AAPL stock dives 1% due to the EU mandating that all phones sold in their market must use USB 3.0 connectors.

Cry me a river, Cupertino - you reap what you sow, motherfuckers.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 27, 2021 • 8:14:43pm

Both my previous Tweet and the below are being promoted on Twitter for a cool one large:

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 27, 2021 • 8:22:01pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

South Korean military says North Korea fired ‘unidentified projectile’ into sea | Yahoo! News

They hate the ocean. Fortunately, they never miss hitting it. //

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2021 • 8:22:27pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 27, 2021 • 8:40:27pm

I think I may have started a fire of sorts….

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sagehen  Sep 27, 2021 • 8:41:35pm

re: #17 The GOP is a terrorist organization

SMDH…

As Sinema resists the budget bill, she is set to raise money from business groups that oppose it.

“If you can’t take their money, drink their liquor, fuck their women, and then come in here the next day and vote against them, you don’t belong here.”

—Jesse Unruh, California State Assembly and later state Treasurer

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A Cranky One  Sep 27, 2021 • 8:47:31pm

My brother is an artist and music collector. He’s always sending me album covers.

An example (tweet he forwarded):

Then there are classics like this:

And his comment:

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2021 • 8:52:23pm

The Next Real-Time Test for the Press
The “debt limit” is a serious threat. It’s not a serious issue. This will be a chronicle of whether media can remain clear about the difference.
fallows.substack.com
James Fallows

An excellent essay on what is going on with the debt limit hostage taking.

The annual U.S. government deficit, and the cumulative U.S. debt, are the results of decisions Congress and an Administration make, not independent variables.
Congress votes to authorize spending, and to raise or reduce taxes. The debt and deficit reflect these decisions, rather than controlling them, or being subject to outside dictates about their size.
The check you get at the end of a restaurant meal reflects what you have ordered and eaten. The number you see on a bathroom scale reflects calories in, versus energy out. The reading on a thermometer reflects outside heat.
In just the same way, the annual deficit-and-debt totals indicate what Congress has already decided on. They’re a measure, not a control. Putting limits on them is like limiting what the bathroom scale can show.

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mmmirele  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:01:25pm

re: #30 Eric The Fruit Bat

Both my previous Tweet and the below are being promoted on Twitter for a cool one large:

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Wanna explain what’s going on? They’re taking *two weeks* to reset your alternate ID? What’s up with that?

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darthstar  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:17:04pm

Lifting is easy…it’s trying not to drop it when going up stairs that’s the hard part.

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:20:24pm

re: #38 darthstar

snork

Someone sent that to me last week, someone I would never have expected it from!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:22:16pm

re: #37 mmmirele

Wanna explain what’s going on? They’re taking *two weeks* to reset your alternate ID? What’s up with that?

I had a tech meltdown from hell last weekend:

Then I’m trying to recover my alternate Apple ID, which as mentioned, won’t happen until October 10th. So, I’m taking the bull by the horns.

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darthstar  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:29:07pm

re: #40 Eric The Fruit Bat

I had a tech meltdown from hell last weekend:

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Then I’m trying to recover my alternate Apple ID, which as mentioned, won’t happen until October 10th. So, I’m taking the bull by the horns.

Allow me to introduce you to my low maintenance, high performance, stable as Joe Biden after a cup of sun tea platform. And it leaves you feeling minty fresh.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:33:28pm

re: #41 darthstar

Linux wasn’t the source of my woes, dude - as a matter of fact, the source of the majority of my network issues all run some form of embedded Linux of one flavour of another.

So, kindly perform aerial intercourse on a torus-shaped pastry, thankyouverymuch.
/

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darthstar  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:35:50pm

re: #41 darthstar

Allow me to introduce you to my low maintenance, high performance, stable as Joe Biden after a cup of sun tea platform. And it leaves you feeling minty fresh.

I know I push Linux Mint like a corner dealer, but I really do like it, and speaking as an IT professional, it has everything you need in an operating system, plus it uses jack shit for memory. Then again, I put my mother in law in a Chromebook 4 years ago and that’s all she needs for email, browsing, and doing a little shopping.

Simplicity is key. If something isn’t supported on Linux I’ll add a mobile emulator, because everything is mobile first these days.

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darthstar  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:37:19pm

re: #42 Eric The Fruit Bat

Linux wasn’t the source of my woes, dude - as a matter of fact, the source of the majority of my network issues all run some form of embedded Linux of one flavour of another.

So, kindly perform aerial intercourse on a torus-shaped pastry, thankyouverymuch.
/

Will do…is it creme filled? Well, it’s gonna be! //ducks.

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Targetpractice  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:38:55pm

You think Apple users act like a cult…and then you meet Linux users.

//

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darthstar  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:39:57pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

You think Apple users act like a cult…and then you meet Linux users.

//

Obey the penguin.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:40:40pm

Unfit to inhale? That’s some ugly air.

Smoke above, clouds below
hpwren.ucsd.edu
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darthstar  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:41:51pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

You think Apple users act like a cult…and then you meet Linux users.

//

Okay…wife had to work a charity event and wants some quiet time…dogs are paying way too much attention to her. That means it’s time for me to go to bed and take them with me.

I’m not a cultish Linux user per se…I just love the freedom of not having to worry about viruses, patches, and all the other garbage I did for 25 years on Windows.

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danarchy  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:47:34pm

re: #48 darthstar

Okay…wife had to work a charity event and wants some quiet time…dogs are paying way too much attention to her. That means it’s time for me to go to bed and take them with me.

I’m not a cultish Linux user per se…I just love the freedom of not having to worry about viruses, patches, and all the other garbage I did for 25 years on Windows.

If you are using linux and not worried about patches you are doing it wrong.

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darthstar  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:50:16pm

re: #49 danarchy

If you are using linux and not worried about patches you are doing it wrong.

sudo apt-update is my friend. Really should put it in my bash script and remember to reboot once a week.

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danarchy  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:52:53pm

re: #50 darthstar

sudo apt-update is my friend. Really should put it in my bash script and remember to reboot once a week.

how is that any different than running scheduled windows updates?

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Targetpractice  Sep 27, 2021 • 9:59:36pm

re: #51 danarchy

how is that any different than running scheduled windows updates?

Linux doesn’t leave you feeling like you sold your soul?

//

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William Lewis  Sep 27, 2021 • 10:01:48pm

re: #49 danarchy

If you are using linux and not worried about patches you are doing it wrong.

Yup.

Personally I prefer [Free|Net]BSD but that still needs to be kept up to dated on a regular basis too.

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darthstar  Sep 27, 2021 • 10:20:53pm

re: #51 danarchy

how is that any different than running scheduled windows updates?

I don’t feel like I “need” to do it. I just do it when I’m looking at updating a specific program. Ran Ubuntu 14.4 for four or five years on an old laptop and never updated it. And I like that Mint doesn’t nag me about needing to run it.

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William Lewis  Sep 27, 2021 • 10:27:40pm

For those of us who love the space programs, here’s the latest from The History Guy - Remembering the loss of Soyuz 11.

Soyuz 11: Death in Space

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 27, 2021 • 11:49:52pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 12:16:41am

re: #2 teleskiguy

Government is not God.

This is why our Founding Fathers separated Church and State.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 12:24:39am

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Government is not God.

This is why our Founding Fathers separated Church and State.

Oh yes, and Christmas is a secular holiday. Feel free to treat it as a religious holiday if you are Christian. We pagans take to offense at you co-opting our Winter Solstice festivities for your Feast of the Nativity.

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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2021 • 12:26:33am

German Officials Fear Increase in Pandemic-Fueled Radicalism in Wake of Murder | Der Spiegel

A man arrested for shooting and killing a 20-year-old gas station cashier last week appears to have been influenced by far-right ideologies and conspiracy theories. Security officials worry that a scene that denies the coronavirus is growing increasingly radical.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 28, 2021 • 12:29:00am

Parody Account, Never mind

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 12:33:48am

re: #59 teleskiguy

German Officials Fear Increase in Pandemic-Fueled Radicalism in Wake of Murder | Der Spiegel

Unless the fellow was an active supporter of the Querdenker movement (beyond leaving a “digital trail”) it is hard to tell how much of it was the ideology and how much of it was him being aggressively sociopathic, the sort of thing that nonetheless makes one much more susceptible to the sort of ideology behind the anti-mask, anti-vax movement.

Unlike the USA, where non-mass shootings don’t even make the news, this incident seems to have touched a major nerve in Germany.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Sep 28, 2021 • 12:38:37am

re: #60 Dave In Austin

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 12:40:40am

re: #62 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Will Stacey Dash be her running mate? Because this is a picture of Stacey Dash, not Candace Owens…

Don’t expect us to tell us apart, we are just using them to own those intolerant liberals.

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William Lewis  Sep 28, 2021 • 12:50:07am

For those of you that have been paying attention, I’m getting closer. Got my plane tickets from MSP to Memphis; less than 2 weeks away; and I feel like this crazy old guy not sure what’s up and waiting for him. I don’t think I have any one like Muriel waiting for me since I, thank you god, have Holliday waiting for me instead. Still I look forward to walking those streets of Memphis as that’s where I have a prayer…

Marc Cohn: Walking in Memphis (Including preamble)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 12:53:03am

re: #64 William Lewis

I assume you do have a pair of blue suedes, though…

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William Lewis  Sep 28, 2021 • 12:58:33am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume you do have a pair of blue suedes, though…

Planning on a pair of birkies… ;) Just wish I could hope on a Muriel… ah, now that would be appropriate.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 28, 2021 • 1:33:09am
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sagehen  Sep 28, 2021 • 1:45:37am

re: #64 William Lewis

For those of you that have been paying attention, I’m getting closer. Got my plane tickets from MSP to Memphis; less than 2 weeks away; and I feel like this crazy old guy not sure what’s up and waiting for him. I don’t think I have any one like Muriel waiting for me since I, thank you god, have Holliday waiting for me instead. Still I look forward to walking those streets of Memphis as that’s where I have a prayer…

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If you want outdoor seating for your dinner at the duck hotel, make reservations early. ‘Cause I assume Tennessee isn’t doing mask mandates or reduced capacity for indoor dining?

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 28, 2021 • 1:50:44am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 28, 2021 • 2:02:08am
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Nojay UK  Sep 28, 2021 • 2:08:42am

re: #43 darthstar

I know I push Linux Mint like a corner dealer, but I really do like it, and speaking as an IT professional, it has everything you need in an operating system, plus it uses jack shit for memory.

Last time I tried Mint in an old Atom notebook it didn’t have drivers for the GMA945 video chipset so it defaulted to software VGA emulation. Slow does not even begin to describe it. I put Windows 7 on the machine eventually, still not snappy (twin-core Atom with 1GB RAM) but at least there was driver support for the display.

I have a black thumb when it comes to Linux generally, ever since the very early days of Slackware. Windows on the other had Just Works for me — I built my current desktop about six months ago, from opening the boxes and starting assembling the parts to a working Windows 10 install took me about three hours. YMMV.

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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 2:40:54am

What’s rocking the West Coast of Sweden: 😢

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 2:41:57am

re: #72 Teukka

What’s rocking the West Coast of Sweden: 😢

New ABBA release?

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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 2:43:58am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

New ABBA release?

An ABBA release bombing in Sweden? Unheard of!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2021 • 3:01:22am

re: #74 Teukka

An ABBA release bombing in Sweden? Unheard of!

Gas explosion?

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sagehen  Sep 28, 2021 • 3:01:23am
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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 3:09:04am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

Gas explosion?

More and more pointing towards an explosive device at the door to the street.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2021 • 3:27:40am

re: #77 Teukka

More and more pointing towards an explosive device at the door to the street.

Yikes. I know there’s been problems in Göteborg with sundry criminal gangs.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 3:28:13am

re: #66 William Lewis

Planning on a pair of birkies… ;) Just wish I could hope on a Muriel… ah, now that would be appropriate.

Kids these days.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:02:47am

President Obama will be on GMA this morning.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:11:32am

A pretty good little mini-documentary about London’s Great Smog of 1952:

The Great Smog of 1952 | A Short Documentary | Fascinating Horror

The most conservative estimates suggests that about 4,000 died as direct result; recent research suggests that the total number of fatalities were more likely between 10,000 and 12,000 deaths.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:16:52am

Morning Lizardim. How go things?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:19:16am

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

A few years earlier a small town near Pittsburgh had a proportionally more severe air-quality disaster:

en.wikipedia.org

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:20:17am

re: #82 Dopamine Fish

Morning Lizardim. How go things?

Too early to tell. Think I just got up for breakfast.

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:23:40am

re: #43 darthstar

I know I push Linux Mint like a corner dealer, but I really do like it, and speaking as an IT professional, it has everything you need in an operating system, plus it uses jack shit for memory. Then again, I put my mother in law in a Chromebook 4 years ago and that’s all she needs for email, browsing, and doing a little shopping.

Simplicity is key. If something isn’t supported on Linux I’ll add a mobile emulator, because everything is mobile first these days.

been a happy convert to Mint for going on 6 weeks

i don’t look back.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:23:53am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:27:57am

re: #85 Dangerman

been a happy convert to Mint for going on 6 weeks

i don’t look back.

We’ve been running various flavors of Ubuntu and Mint for about 20 years. It’s tremendously stable. I don’t have deep IT skills, so I bred and raised a Penguinista. Gotta play the Long Game.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:28:34am

re: #56 Dread Pirate Ron

Good thread on that.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:31:38am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

We’ve been running various flavors of Ubuntu and Mint for about 20 years. It’s tremendously stable. I don’t have deep IT skills, so I bred a Penguinista. Gotta play the Long Game.

When I was in the later years of high school, I started playing with a Red Hat Linux setup. I went through a phase in college where I literally threw every operating system on my box that I could conceivably get running, but eventually settled on dual-booting Windows (for gaming performance) and Gentoo Linux. I’ve had a few issues over the decades, but it’s worth noting that before last fall, this computer had lain dormant in my desk since 2016, and I was able to clean out the dust and fire it up and upgrade it to the latest packages and kernel without too many issues.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:35:38am

re: #89 Dopamine Fish

When I was in the later years of high school, I started playing with a Red Hat Linux setup. I went through a phase in college where I literally threw every operating system on my box that I could conceivably get running, but eventually settled on dual-booting Windows (for gaming performance) and Gentoo Linux. I’ve had a few issues over the decades, but it’s worth noting that before last fall, this computer had lain dormant in my desk since 2016, and I was able to clean out the dust and fire it up and upgrade it to the latest packages and kernel without too many issues.

The kid set up our two main machines for dual-boot. The only times we use Windows are for Civ4, Quicken taxes once a year, and to drive Wife’s weird stencil-cutting machine. Wife has actually moved most of her daily online stuff to iPads.

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:37:54am

re: #88 No Malarkey!

Good thread on that.

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from down in it

because

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:38:16am

re: #90 Decatur Deb

The kid set up our two main machines for dual-boot. The only times we use Windows are for Civ4, Quicken taxes once a year, and to drive Wife’s weird stencil-cutting machine. Wife has actually moved most of her daily online stuff to iPads.

Mrs. Fish mostly uses her iPhone for everything; her PC has been taken over by the kids, who use it to play video games. I’ve never even tried to get her to use a Linux setup, since all she used to use her PC for was games, as well. I use my Windows setup a lot, but that’s because this is now my work PC, and I don’t know how well a VPN client would work on Linux. (I should try sometime.)

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:39:56am
“At the end of the day — I don’t know when that’s going to be now — that we’ll pass a continuing resolution, and we’ll work out the debt limit. This is nothing new here.”

— Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL), quoted by Politico.

it’s an effing game to them

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:43:20am

re: #93 Dangerman

it’s an effing game to them

Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL)

Down here we call him “the smart one”. It was true when Sessions was his stable-mate, and it’s triply-true with Tuberville.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:44:32am

Chuck C. Johnson was unavailable for comment.

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:45:17am

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Down here we call him “the smart one”. It was true when Sessions was his stable-mate, and it’s triply-true with Tuberville.

from where i’m sitting, you’re ‘up there’ ;-)

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:46:19am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 4:48:34am

re: #97 DodgerFan1988

He’s never going to get over that lightning bolt from his trip to Damascus.

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:13:59am

re: #97 DodgerFan1988

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:27:16am

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

A pretty good little mini-documentary about London’s Great Smog of 1952:

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Video

The most conservative estimates suggests that about 4,000 died as direct result; recent research suggests that the total number of fatalities were more likely between 10,000 and 12,000 deaths.

I have some fragmentary memories of the Great Smog. We lived at Lakenheath in Suffolk but I remember my parents and the neighbors talking about it and there was quite a bit of coverage on television (we had the only set on the block and it was pretty popular.) Being just 3 and a half I had no real idea of distance but I knew that London was a real place because I had been there and, sure enough, it had been foggy then too. I had the idea that it was foggy there all the time.

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:37:54am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. You know that big story about how *dozens* of state troopers in Massachusetts were resigning over the vaccine mandate?

That got a metric shit ton of airplay, because it sounded good for clips, with no context and all?

Well, here’s the rest of the story.

Even if there were dozens (and I assumed 4 dozen - 48 people), that would have been just 2.4% of the force resigning in protest over the mandate.

The real number?

Wait for it….

Wait for it….

One

Just one guy. The union puffed up and claimed dozens retired, when it was a single guy according to the State Police. One guy. Out of 2,000+. That’s an impress 0.05% rate. More than 99% have gotten vaccinated.

NYC faces a bigger challenge btw, since the mandates have been upheld by the courts, and the NYPD has gotten only 58% compliance. That’s still a higher rate than most GOP controlled states, but horrifically low given that the leading cause of death among NYPD and law enforcement nationwide is: covid19 for the last two years. Gun violence is a distant second, and it’s amazing how the GOP and law enforcement ignore the root causes of their own deaths or see those deaths as something better than protecting lives in being.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:38:00am

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I grew up in Los Angeles in the 1970s; for me, as a child, the sky was brown and it smelled funny. And sometimes, you could taste it, too.

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Nojay UK  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:41:09am

re: #102 Dr Lizardo

I grew up in Los Angeles in the 1970s; for me, as a child, the sky was brown and it smelled funny. And sometimes, you could taste it, too.

It probably tasted sweet from all the tetraethyl lead in the gas fumes.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:42:05am
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:42:14am

re: #64 William Lewis

For those of you that have been paying attention, I’m getting closer. Got my plane tickets from MSP to Memphis; less than 2 weeks away; and I feel like this crazy old guy not sure what’s up and waiting for him. I don’t think I have any one like Muriel waiting for me since I, thank you god, have Holliday waiting for me instead. Still I look forward to walking those streets of Memphis as that’s where I have a prayer…

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I have some very fond memories of Memphis from my youth. Oh the stories I could tell. We’d drive up from Greenville, MS for the weekend and wild times.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:42:45am

re: #78 Dr Lizardo

Yikes. I know there’s been problems in Göteborg with sundry criminal gangs.

Socialist hellhole and all…

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:42:46am

re: #102 Dr Lizardo

I grew up in Los Angeles in the 1970s; for me, as a child, the sky was brown and it smelled funny. And sometimes, you could taste it, too.

When I flew into Hyderabad a few years ago, the first thing that hit me when we stepped outside was the smell. It was a uniquely industrial sort of heavy metal flavor. My boss, noticing my distaste, immediately commented, “Yeah, that’s one thing about being here is the smell. One of the other managing partners always says, ‘Smells like Hyderabad.’”

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:43:28am

They wrote an accurate headline. I just don’t know if they decided if it was a good thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:44:33am

re: #95 Dopamine Fish

*Among many other things, he argues….. “he did not contemplate defacating on anyone’s desk”*

You mean it was a spontaneous, uncontrolled bowel spasm? I see why he is afraid of what that is gonna be like after some time in the pokey…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:46:59am

re: #33 Eric The Fruit Bat

I think I may have started a fire of sorts….

[You are in serious danger of losing a new customer due to your seriously broke security policies - instead of being an adherent of all things Agile maybe you should pay better attention to what true security is like.]

On a prior upgrade, they changed the way their mail worked and didn’t preview links in email. This is one of the key requirements my company had to help guard against phishing. I called them and they were like Meh. I told them I could no longer use my iPhone for work…and that was not going to go over well in the business world. I was like…DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE SECURITY RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS CHANGE? They were like Meh.

The next update fixed it.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:47:10am

re: #103 Nojay UK

It probably tasted sweet from all the tetraethyl lead in the gas fumes.

Yeah, it had a kind of funky, sickly sweet taste to it.

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jeffreyw  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:50:19am

Good morning!

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:50:36am

re: #101 lawhawk

everyone lies about everything
to make they point they want to make
because they have to appear right
they couldnt make their point with just the truth
they have to lie
because the truth does not support the point they want to make

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danarchy  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:51:03am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

We’ve been running various flavors of Ubuntu and Mint for about 20 years. It’s tremendously stable. I don’t have deep IT skills, so I bred and raised a Penguinista. Gotta play the Long Game.

I have nothing against linux, I have been using various flavors of it since the release of slackware. I just have a problem with the I don’t have to worry about patches and viruses attitude. Some of the worst corporate compromises I have found have come from someone who set up a linux server and then forgot about it. Great, it will run forever… with 6 bot nets and a bitcoin miner you never know about running in the background.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:55:28am

re: #113 Dangerman

everyone lies about everything
to make they point they want to make
because they have to appear right
they couldnt make their point with just the truth
they have to lie
because the truth does not support the point they want to make

They are serving Higher Truth, one that is not constrained by mere objective facts.

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:57:03am

re: #101 lawhawk


NYC faces a bigger challenge btw, since the mandates have been upheld by the courts, and the NYPD has gotten only 58% compliance. That’s still a higher rate than most GOP controlled states, but horrifically low given that the leading cause of death among NYPD and law enforcement nationwide is: covid19 for the last two years. Gun violence is a distant second, and it’s amazing how the GOP and law enforcement ignore the root causes of their own deaths or see those deaths as something better than protecting lives in being.

40% (or so) of nypd is not deeply, religiously convicted.
nor are they informed enough to be legitimately ‘concerned’ in any way about the vaccine itself.

i’m concluding that 40% (or so) of the nypd — these (mostly) big, tough, armed men who posture bravado behind their badges, guns, radios and power, are actually all afraid of the needle

let them prove me wrong

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 5:59:16am

re: #104 Belafon

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we do
there are green card fees
there are citizenship fees
and that’s before they are granted the privilege of paying taxes

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:06:23am

bloomberg

Jonathan Bernstein: “Those behaving the most badly are Senate Republicans…. With the government on target to run out of borrowing authority sometime in the next two to six weeks, they’ve now voted unanimously to block a badly needed increase in the debt limit…

“There’s nothing wrong with the out-party forcing the majority party to supply the votes on such things, especially during a time of unified government. That’s what Republicans have said they are doing. But it’s not true. They’re not forcing Democrats to vote for it; they are preventing a final vote, using the rules that require a supermajority to act. Don’t just blame Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. If as few as 10 Republicans were willing to allow a final vote — even if they then opposed the bill — the danger of a debt-limit breach would end.”

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Nojay UK  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:07:00am

re: #114 danarchy

I have nothing against linux, I have been using various flavors of it since the release of slackware. I just have a problem with the I don’t have to worry about patches and viruses attitude.

There was a fucking BUFFER OVERFLOW! security hole in fucking SUDO! in Linux for a fucking DECADE! before anyone noticed.

us-cert.cisa.gov

I refuse to believe that anyone in the Linux community takes security seriously because of this and other events in the past.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:08:13am

re: #102 Dr Lizardo

I grew up in Los Angeles in the 1970s; for me, as a child, the sky was brown and it smelled funny. And sometimes, you could taste it, too.

Dad moved us all to LA in the early 60’s. We lived there for maybe 4 years and then came back to PA. His reason for leaving, the air quality, said he couldn’t breath there. I was young and didn’t notice it as long as I had a play friend. My play friend was our next door neighbor Charlie Brown, yes that was his real name.

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:09:05am

“Donald Trump’s letter to Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) demanding he pursue an ‘audit’ of the 2020 election set off a ‘mad dash’ in the governor’s office as aides sought to figure out just how serious the former president was,” Politico reports.

“The scramble among Abbott’s team to placate the president illustrated the degree to which Trump and his election conspiracies continue to set the rules of engagement for virtually all other GOP elected officials.”

and abbott folded in 8 hours

so with his heavy hand, iron fist, total control, his ego is gonna tank georgia for them (maybe)

“Donald Trump is escalating his fight against Republican Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia, and state Republicans fear it will give Democrats a stronger foothold in the key swing state as next year’s midterm elections loom,” CNN reports.

“The former President’s criticism of Kemp now includes hyping Democrat Stacey Abrams as a preferable alternative to the GOP governor, whose crime against Trump was staying out of his attempt to overturn the Georgia 2020 election returns.”

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:13:38am

re: #117 Dangerman

Service guarantees citizenship? Would you like to know more?

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:17:08am
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Jay C  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:29:30am

re: #102 Dr Lizardo

I grew up in Los Angeles in the 1970s; for me, as a child, the sky was brown and it smelled funny. And sometimes, you could taste it, too.

I grew up there in the 1950s and 60s - the era when jokes about “L.A. smog” were a comedy staple. It was thought of as just another fact-of-life of living there (like the palm trees). Though it was a “sudden” revelation to me one day when I drove up to the Santa Monica Mountains on a day of a low inversion, and saw the stark dividing line in the sky over the city: blue above, brown below: and then thinking: “Wow - we live down there and breathe THAT???”

“Smog Alerts” used to be a regular thing when I was growing up: I think they have maybe one or two a year now (?).
Progress! (no ///)

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Mattand  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:34:32am

re: #123 Belafon

First Tweet:

“While we’re on this unit, the doctors (and nurses) are just being horrifically, horrifically abused… (Health-care workers are) being sworn at, they’re being told that COVID isn’t real and (patients) don’t want to be intubated.”

Second Tweet:

The FDA “has received 49 reports of poisoning and other serious reactions linked to human consumption of ivermectin to treat Covid so far this year. The equivalent figure for the whole of 2020 was 23 cases… Of those 49 cases, 14 resulted in deaths.”“

Meanwhile, apparently sorryantivaxxer.com has given The Daily Beast a major sad in the tum-tum over their content (DB article behind easily-avoided paywall).

Maybe the author of that Daily Beast article should have read more tweets like this.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:36:13am

re: #124 Jay C

Smog Alerts were definitely a thing in the mid to late-’70s; I recall school being dismissed more than once because the air quality was simply too horrible. “Stage 3 Smog Alerts”, if I’m remembering right.

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Jay C  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:44:50am

re: #126 Dr Lizardo

Smog Alerts were definitely a thing in the mid to late-’70s; I recall school being dismissed more than once because the air quality was simply too horrible. “Stage 3 Smog Alerts”, if I’m remembering right.

They use a six-level scale now: this is today’s map: maybe just a good day, but I think air-quality levels like this are (thankfully) more of the norm now.

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darthstar  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:48:08am

re: #126 Dr Lizardo

Smog Alerts were definitely a thing in the mid to late-’70s; I recall school being dismissed more than once because the air quality was simply too horrible. “Stage 3 Smog Alerts”, if I’m remembering right.

When the summer heats up in Northern California and we get the high pressure that holds the smog in, we call them ‘Spare the Air’ days - and all mass transit is free in the SF Bay Area and Sacramento Valley.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:50:40am

re: #127 Jay C

They use a six-level scale now: this is today’s map: maybe just a good day, but I think air-quality levels like this are (thankfully) more of the norm now.

Nice. Just checked my childhood address in South Pasadena, and air quality is good right now.

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:51:12am
In her new book, former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham “alleges that Donald Trump became obsessed with a young, female press aide who isn’t named in the book,” the Washington Post reports.

“The president constantly asked where the aide was during press events, Grisham wrote, and allegedly once requested that she be brought to his cabin on Air Force One so he could ‘look at her ass.’”

“Trump behaved inappropriately with Grisham, too, she wrote — once calling her from Air Force One to assure her that his penis was not small or toadstool-shaped, as the porn star Stormy Daniels had alleged in an interview.”

Man is a pig
Was always a pig
You knew it going in
You still went to work for him, voluntarily

I dont gaf whether your book sells or not

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:51:57am
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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 6:53:39am
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No Malarkey!  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:02:22am

Another fat white guy with a beard dead at age 38 because he believed the rightwing anti-vaccine propaganda. His sister is now calling on people to get vaccinated. sorryantivaxxer.com

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:04:31am

The withdrawal from Afghanistan was not “hasty”

It was planned for months

There was adaptation, improvisation due to what they faced at the time

And they got 120k out

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:06:26am

re: #122 lawhawk

Service guarantees citizenship? Would you like to know more?

Back on my high horse: you have to get 2/3 of the way through Starship Troopers to find out where this “service guarantees citizenship” idea originates.

We assume a military government must be the result of some sort of coup, but in this case, it was simply that world governments collapsed at the end of WW3, leaving soldiers and POWs stranded wherever they were.

That put an end to the concept of the nation-state. The only organized bodies who were able to maintain order were veterans, and they took it into their own hands to try to prevent chaos.

At first, they only allowed veterans to hold public office but later expanded it to anyone who did any sort of dangerous, potentially self-sacrificing service.

It has nothing to do with the pseudo-fascist state portrayed in Verhoeven’s film version (Verhoeven admits that he never finished reading the book)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:11:07am

Ron Desantis.

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darthstar  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:11:33am

re: #132 Belafon

We also still wear masks indoors here in California - even in counties with >93% vaccination

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:12:18am
Gallup: “A steady 55% of parents in the U.S. with children under 12 say they would get their child vaccinated against the coronavirus if such a vaccine were available

55% is appalling

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:12:30am

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No Malarkey!  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:12:44am

20 year old college student who thought he was too healthy to get seriously ill from Covid so he wouldn’t get vaccinated despite his mother’s pleas dies of covid. Mercola, Tenpenny, Tucker Carlson, RFK Jr., and the rest of the anti-vaxxer monsters spreading these lies should all be tried for crimes against humanity and locked up to rot in prison for the rest of their lives for all of the death and suffering they are responsible for. news.yahoo.com

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darthstar  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:15:03am

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Back on my high horse: you have to get 2/3 of the way through Starship Troopers to find out where this “service guarantees citizenship” idea originates.

Come on you apes…do you want to live forever?

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:15:30am

Ten paragraphs in they get around to telling us that he was triggered by a mask requirement sign.

Vandal Caught On Camera Trashing Trader Todd’s Bar In Lakeview, Leaving Racist And Threatening Graffiti (CBS Chicago via MSN)

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:17:15am
Daily Beast: “Trump’s unexplained trip to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in 2019 sparked theories that the president had a secret illness. The explanation, according to Grisham, is much more straightforward. She hints that Trump went for a colonoscopy, but didn’t disclose the reason for the trip because he didn’t want to be ‘the butt of a joke’ on late-night TV.

Such leadership
Could have been a great moment
But no
Worried about his image is more important than explaining health screening

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:19:12am

re: #143 Dangerman

Good point though

Yeah he was rushed to Walter Reed at 2am for a colonoscopy which all over 50s know requires two days of preparation (let alone for someone as full of shit as Dotard).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:21:54am

re: #141 darthstar

Come on you apes…do you want to live forever?

The other thing that Verhoeven totally screwed up was omitting the powered Mobile Infantry suits, which allowed them to send a handful of MIs down to neutralize an entire planet, not the hordes swarming off transports like Marines at Iwo Jima that he portrayed…

I hope that they do a proper film version of it some day that takes all those aspects into account.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:22:24am

re: #144 Dangerman

Good point though

Yeah he was rushed to Walter Reed at 2am for a colonoscopy which all over 50s know requires two days of preparation (let alone for someone as full of shit as Dotard).

Potential alternate explanation: Assuming Grisham is telling the truth, which is dubious (as with anyone one would mention in the same sentence as Donald Trump), it’s plausible that he deliberately scheduled a colonoscopy for 2 AM in a vain attempt to avoid being discovered.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:27:52am

Supply chain issues are causing schools to have trouble getting food.

dailykos.com

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:28:21am
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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:32:07am

re: #144 Dangerman

Good point though

Yeah he was rushed to Walter Reed at 2am for a colonoscopy which all over 50s know requires two days of preparation (let alone for someone as full of shit as Dotard).

I think she’s talking about this Walter Reed visit (2:47 pm).

vox.com

At the time, Grisham explained it as “to begin portions of his routine annual physical exam” on Saturday.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:32:30am

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Verhoeven’s adaptation is pretty much a barbed satire of Heinlein’s novel.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:33:51am

re: #147 Belafon

Supply chain issues are causing schools to have trouble getting food.

dailykos.com

Because agriculture, food processing, food service and transportation are all industries that depend on an endless supply of cheap, easily exploited labor.

This is not a result of people “getting lazy” because unemployment insurance is available, it is a matter of an unsustainable system starting to break down in light of a health crisis and increased social/economic awareness.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:34:18am

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

Verhoeven’s adaptation is pretty much a barbed satire of Heinlein’s novel.

If he had bothered to read it…as I understand, it started out as an entirely different project that involved fighting giant space bugs, somebody noted the similarities and picked up the rights to the novel along the way.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:34:53am

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

Verhoeven’s adaptation is pretty much a barbed satire of Heinlein’s novel.

Heinlein didn’t deal with propaganda from what I remember.

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:35:08am

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If he had bothered to read it…

Cliff Notes version.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:35:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:36:28am

re: #153 Belafon

Heinlein didn’t deal with propaganda from what I remember.

In the Heinlein version, the government does not advertise for volunteers at all, it wants people who come and join out of their own sense of personal conviction, not out of trendiness or peer pressure.

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John Hughes  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:37:52am

re: #119 Nojay UK

A blog update from February 3, 2021, reports that macOS, AIX, and Solaris may be vulnerable, but Qualys had not yet confirmed this. There is additional reporting that other operating systems are affected, including Apple’s Big Sur.

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JOE 🥓  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:40:54am

re: #102 Dr Lizardo

I grew up in Los Angeles in the 1970s; for me, as a child, the sky was brown and it smelled funny. And sometimes, you could taste it, too.

Growing up in Western PA, I still remember people talking about the 1948 Donora Smog event. Of Course US Steel was let off the hook…

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John Hughes  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:41:51am

re: #124 Jay C

Though it was a “sudden” revelation to me one day when I drove up to the Santa Monica Mountains on a day of a low inversion, and saw the stark dividing line in the sky over the city: blue above, brown below: and then thinking: “Wow - we live down there and breathe THAT???”

I live in the heights of Champigny-sur-Marne and when I take the bus (to take the train, to take the metro) to work in Paris in summer I get to see the horrible grey brown soup I’ll be breathing for the rest of the day in the valley below me.

When I’m in it it’s invisible.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:42:36am

re: #112 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

Autumn is upon us.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:44:21am

From the Beeb:

Petrol supply: Army put on standby to ease fuel crisis

The Army is ready to help ease fuel supply problems after a fourth day of long queues and pump closures.

Up to 150 military tanker drivers will prepare to deliver to forecourts which have run dry because of panic buying.

The surge in demand came amid fears a driver shortage would hit fuel supply - which is plentiful at refineries.

“We will fight them at the petrol pumps, we will fight them at the motorway service stops, we will fight them in the supermarket car parks! We shall never admit that Brexit was a bigger cock-up than France in May of 1940!”

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JOE 🥓  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:46:28am

A message from sorryantivaxxer.com

Hey guys, I have to shut off commenting on the website for at least 24 hours because a Daily Beast article came out and we’re getting too much traffic and comments to monitor it all. Hope you understand. Carry on and get people vaccinated!

Seeing lots of mentions of the site on various media! Nice to see them get noticed!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:46:38am

re: #159 John Hughes

I live in the heights of Champigny-sur-Marne and when I take the bus (to take the train, to take the metro) to work in Paris in summer I get to see the horrible grey brown soup I’ll be breathing for the rest of the day in the valley below me.

When I’m in it it’s invisible.

When people came to visit us in Gary, Indiana, they would as, “What’s that smell?”, to which I would reply “What smell? I don’t smell anything?”

Then they would ask “Why is the sky that color?” To which I would reply “What color? Is the sky supposed to have a color?”

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darthstar  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:47:17am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t know why the UK is worried about its workforce shortage when they have all those children in reserve…it worked during the industrial revolution. //

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John Hughes  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:47:20am

re: #130 Dangerman

“So, Stephanie, is it small and toadstool shaped?”

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John Hughes  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:52:04am

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I hope they include the scenes of terrorist attacks on civilian population and infrastructure.

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darthstar  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:52:22am

re: #130 Dangerman

Man is a pig
Was always a pig
You knew it going in
You still went to work for him, voluntarily

I dont gaf whether your book sells or not

Yeah, she can tell all but she’s still a POS who lied for him.

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JOE 🥓  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:52:38am

re: #164 darthstar

I don’t know why the UK is worried about its workforce shortage when they have all those children in reserve…it worked during the industrial revolution. //

The sun has finally set on the British Empire.

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JOE 🥓  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:53:41am

re: #165 John Hughes

“So, Stephanie, is it small and toadstool shaped?”

“I couldn’t tell. I needed a magnifying glass…”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:54:25am

re: #164 darthstar

I don’t know why the UK is worried about its workforce shortage when they have all those children in reserve…it worked during the industrial revolution. //

They again demonstrate that they have entire industries built on importing cheap labor. Those sources have dried up. Ideally, this could lead to better pay and working conditions for British laborers, but I am not counting on it, at least any time soon…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 7:55:58am

re: #130 Dangerman

Man is a pig
Was always a pig
You knew it going in
You still went to work for him, voluntarily

I dont gaf whether your book sells or not

I don’t want to hear any more scandals or revelations: I want to see criminal charges brought against him and I want to see him try to survive more than thirty seconds on the witness stand without perjuring himself.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:00:26am

Another unvaxxed acquaintance of mine has tested positive. The fifth one in the past week and a half. Wife also lost an unvaxxed high school friend (in his late 30s) last week.

This is what happens when you live in a state that has a current vaccination rate hovering around 40%.

And before anyone asks me why I don’t just cut ties with these acquaintances, it’s not that easy. In a state with such a low vaccination rate, almost anyone who lives here will have a not small contingent of anti-vaxxers among their peer groups.

It fucking sucks.

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JOE 🥓  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:01:34am

I see Nancy surrendered to the LIEberman caucus and decoupled the infrastructure bills. Republicans are now whipping votes to kill both bills.

And this is all thanks to Boris Manchin and Natasha Sinema being bought off.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:01:49am

re: #166 John Hughes

I hope they include the scenes of terrorist attacks on civilian population and infrastructure.

Unlikely. Seeing as how, in the book, they’re fighting a hive mind, in which there’s no possibility of civilian status.

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JOE 🥓  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:03:16am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:03:44am

re: #173 JOE 🥓

I see Nancy surrendered to the LIEberman caucus and decoupled the infrastructure bills. Republicans are now whipping votes to kill both bills.

And this is all thanks to Boris Manchin and Natasha Sinema being bought off.

We’re heading for a default and a shutdown, aren’t we?

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:03:57am

re: #162 JOE 🥓

Mattand mentioned it: #125.

thedailybeast.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:06:25am

re: #177 Belafon

Mattand mentioned it: #125.

thedailybeast.com

Unvaccinated people are a potentially lethal threat to all of us. Mocking them is the very least that they can expect…

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:07:27am

Dear Democrats, this is what happens when you elect Green Party candidates (Sinema).

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JOE 🥓  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:08:47am

re: #176 Eclectic Cyborg

We’re heading for a default and a shutdown, aren’t we?

Which is why I keep a Rainy Day Fund that holds up to 4 months of paychecks and I’ve done that every since Tooty Frooty Newty and Ass Hole Dole forced us to work from Thanksgiving 1995 till after New Years 1996 without getting paid.

Remember that was they year when kids had no Christmas and coworkers were fucking stressed out.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:08:49am

re: #173 JOE 🥓

I see Nancy surrendered to the LIEberman caucus and decoupled the infrastructure bills. Republicans are now whipping votes to kill both bills.

And this is all thanks to Boris Manchin and Natasha Sinema being bought off.

The annoying thing about this is that it’s going to make the progressive part of the Democrats into the bad guys rather than the moderates/conservatives who won’t work with the rest of the party.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:09:09am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Unvaccinated people are a potentially lethal threat to all of us. Mocking them is the very least that they can expect…

Also, they sure as fuck don’t waste any time mocking US (masking and vaccinated folks), do they?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:09:28am

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The other thing that Verhoeven totally screwed up was omitting the powered Mobile Infantry suits, which allowed them to send a handful of MIs down to neutralize an entire planet, not the hordes swarming off transports like Marines at Iwo Jima that he portrayed…

I hope that they do a proper film version of it some day that takes all those aspects into account.

Came across an article written about that movie written by a former military officer.

Included lines like, “The apparent basic formation unit of the Mobile Infantry is the ‘mob’.”

Basically went on to rip the military aspects of the movie apart from head to toe regarding doctrine, weapons, training, logistics and so on.

Verhoeven was doing his usual anti-fascist thing (this time as satire) along with riffing on various older military movies or documentary footage.* A lot of aspects of the book are simply ignored for not fitting what he wanted to do, or simply not being convenient for the budget or movie making - which is the main reason I think the powered armor aspects were skipped. Budget costs to develop along with necessary special effects, and helmets obscuring the actor’s faces.

* - Bugs pretty much played up as something equivalent to Zulus vs British troops; e.g. swarms of lower “tech” infantry (no guns, fierce in melee) vs lower numbers of gun-armed infantry. Tanker bugs riff on any number of WW2 movies where the infantry have to deal with a tank or other armored vehicle immune to the base weapons. And so forth.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:12:30am

re: #174 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Unlikely. Seeing as how, in the book, they’re fighting a hive mind, in which there’s no possibility of civilian status.

The Skinnies are not a hive mind. And the book opens with a MI raid on a Skinny planet made with the intention of making the Skinnies reevaluate their alliance with the Bugs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:14:07am

re: #183 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Came across an article written about that movie written by a former military officer.

Included lines like, “The apparent basic formation unit of the Mobile Infantry is the ‘mob’.”

Basically went on to rip the military aspects of the movie apart from head to toe regarding doctrine, weapons, training, logistics and so on.

.

Heinlein, a former military man, described organization, tactics and logistics in great detail in that book and again, I was sad to see it all brushed over.

I have come to enjoy the film on its own as a parody of fashionable fascist youth appeal, and the less I am reminded of the original, the better.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:14:26am

re: #181 Belafon

The annoying thing about this is that it’s going to make the progressive part of the Democrats into the bad guys rather than the moderates/conservatives who won’t work with the rest of the party.

Stay strong, progressives.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:14:57am

re: #184 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

The Skinnies are not a hive mind. And the book opens with a MI raid on a Skinny planet made with the intention of making the Skinnies reevaluate their alliance with the Bugs.

And making use of what the MI are trained to use: limited, controlled force.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:18:20am

re: #149 BeachDem

I think she’s talking about this Walter Reed visit (2:47 pm).

vox.com

At the time, Grisham explained it as “to begin portions of his routine annual physical exam” on Saturday.

Annual colonoscopies?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:18:51am
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No Malarkey!  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:18:59am

re: #176 Eclectic Cyborg

We’re heading for a default and a shutdown, aren’t we?

Shutdown is probable. A default isn’t; the Democrats can’t allow a catastrophic economic collapse, even if Biden has to mint the coin.

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:19:45am

So, proof yet again that Trump was an awful human being whose temperament was not meant to be in office - any office. This is the behavior of a sociopath who lacks impulse control.

Everything about Trump was awful, and the media normalized all of it. The media normalized criminal misconduct and we are still being failed by the media that equates scandals for “balance”.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:20:50am

re: #184 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

The Skinnies are not a hive mind. And the book opens with a MI raid on a Skinny planet made with the intention of making the Skinnies reevaluate their alliance with the Bugs.

In which case JH’s hope is fulfilled. (Though as I recall, they are described as similar, though not identical to the Bugs hive mind. It’s been a very long while since I read the book.)

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:23:36am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Heinlein, a former military man, described organization, tactics and logistics in great detail in that book and again, I was sad to see it all brushed over.

I have come to enjoy the film on its own as a parody of fashionable fascist youth appeal, and the less I am reminded of the original, the better.

Someone on a blog I read at the time said “I’d have enjoyed it a lot more if it had had a different title than ‘Starship Troopers’.”

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JOE 🥓  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:24:43am

re: #190 No Malarkey!

Shutdown is probable. A default isn’t; the Democrats can’t allow a catastrophic economic collapse, even if Biden has to mint the coin.

Not that optimistic. McConnell wants to inflict maximum damage on Joe and Nancy.

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garzooma  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:24:45am

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, they sure as fuck don’t waste any time mocking US (masking and vaccinated folks), do they?

This is a major miss from the Daily Beast article. It states:

Vaccinated people should, it seems, regard people who haven’t gotten vaccinated as at least potentially normal, and perhaps genuinely worried about having a needle full of liquid injected into their body.

The sorryantivaxxer site doesn’t post the deaths of “people who haven’t gotten vaccinated”. It posts the deaths of people who loudly and publicly rage against vaccinations and the health care workers who provide them. Damn straight I have no empathy for them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:24:49am

re: #191 lawhawk

So basically they used the same approach a parent would with a three year old that was throwing a tantrum?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:25:09am

re: #188 BlueSpotinAL

Annual colonoscopies?

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Been there. Done that.

Annual ones for five years after my cancer. Now only every three years.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:26:35am

re: #155 jaunte

Look what happens after just 4 years of a guy who claims to know more than the generals.

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John Hughes  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:27:25am

re: #174 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Unlikely. Seeing as how, in the book, they’re fighting a hive mind, in which there’s no possibility of civilian status.

Oh, your haven’t read the book?

Of did you forget the skinnies?

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No Malarkey!  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:28:46am

re: #194 JOE 🥓

Not that optimistic. McConnell wants to inflict maximum damage on Joe and Nancy.

So why would they let him? They have options, are you telling me you think Schumer, Manchin, Sinema and Biden would all just shrug their shoulders and allow McConnell to possibly trigger a global depression?

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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:28:47am

re: #77 Teukka

More and more pointing towards an explosive device at the door to the street.

UPDATE: 12 hours after the explosion, fires are still burning in the building. There is information circulating in media (not alt-media, several sources) that a police officer who has testified in several organized crime trials was in the building. It appears that Gothenburg organized crime should be well advised to get religion in a hurry…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:29:27am

re: #193 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Someone on a blog I read at the time said “I’d have enjoyed it a lot more if it had had a different title than ‘Starship Troopers’.”

I became aware of it because of the song on The Yes Album

Not a big Science Fiction Fan at all, I read the classic Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov stuff as a kid, but I did like Heinlein, along with Dune.

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John Hughes  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:30:40am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And making use of what the MI are trained to use: limited, controlled force.

Murdering civilians in an effort to change their government’s policy, i.e terrorism.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:31:05am

re: #200 No Malarkey!

So why would they let him? They have options, are you telling me you think Schumer, Manchin, Sinema and Biden would all just shrug they shoulders and allow McConnell to possibly trigger a global depression?

What options do you think they have? However you slice it, it’s shaping up to look like the Democrats are going to have to sacrifice their big wins on infrastructure to avoid a default.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:32:09am

re: #191 lawhawk

Everything about Trump was awful, and the media normalized all of it. The media normalized criminal misconduct and we are still being failed by the media that equates scandals for “balance”.

Trump provided them a 24/7 political-scandal-crime-sex-reality show. He was ratings gold from his morning rage tweets to his absurd rallies and his posing and posturing on official trips, etc…

Wrecking American democracy was a small price for them to guarantee such an ongoing ratings bonanza.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:33:41am

re: #204 Dopamine Fish

What options do you think they have? However you slice it, it’s shaping up to look like the Democrats are going to have to sacrifice their big wins on infrastructure to avoid a default.

They could create an exception to the filibuster for raising the debt limit, and Biden himself has several options such as minting the trillion dollar coin or declaring the debt limit unconstitutional. vox.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:36:21am

re: #203 John Hughes

Murdering civilians in an effort to change their government’s policy, i.e terrorism.

All for the greater good of saving Humanity.

But that is another level of ethics that only Science Fiction has delved into.

Waiting for Amazon Prime to deliver the Directives on that

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:39:23am

re: #206 No Malarkey!

They could create an exception to the filibuster for raising the debt limit, and Biden himself has several options such as minting the trillion dollar coin or declaring the debt limit unconstitutional. vox.com

Declaring the debt limit unconstitutional would require running it through the courts.

No, Biden wouldn’t let it default, but I’m not sure about Manchin, and I don’t actually think Sinema cares. But the latter two are willing to stab the rest of the Democrats in the eye to get what they personally want - not what their constituents might want, mind you.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:39:53am

re: #199 John Hughes

Oh, your haven’t read the book?

Of did you forget the skinnies?

In which case, as I said above, your hope is fulfilled.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:40:29am

re: #206 No Malarkey!

They could create an exception to the filibuster for raising the debt limit, and Biden himself has several options such as minting the trillion dollar coin or declaring the debt limit unconstitutional. vox.com

And the trillion dollar coin wouldn’t be any different than letting the default go through as far as the banks would be concerned.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:40:58am

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that Amazon has an MMORPG, considering the server resources they have, but I had not heard this was coming.
Amazon’s New World launch day hasn’t gone well at all (Windows Central via MSN)

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:41:37am

re: #205 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump provided them a 24/7 political-scandal-crime-sex-reality show. He was ratings gold from his morning rage tweets to his absurd rallies and his posing and posturing on official trips, etc…

Wrecking American democracy was a small price for them to guarantee such an ongoing ratings bonanza.

Please. Do you think Mc Connell will suddenly become a fan because the infrastructure bills are off the table?

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:42:21am

re: #211 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that Amazon has an MMORPG, considering the server resources they have, but I had not heard this was coming.
Amazon’s New World launch day hasn’t gone well at all (Windows Central via MSN)

Funny, I’m watching one of my favorite streamers streaming it right now. Everything looks okay for them, though maybe they’re privileged.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:45:29am

re: #206 No Malarkey!

They could create an exception to the filibuster for raising the debt limit, and Biden himself has several options such as minting the trillion dollar coin or declaring the debt limit unconstitutional. vox.com

Trillion Dollar Bill - The Simpsons

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JOE 🥓  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:45:37am

re: #206 No Malarkey!

They could create an exception to the filibuster for raising the debt limit, and Biden himself has several options such as minting the trillion dollar coin or declaring the debt limit unconstitutional. vox.com

Explain how the filibuster can be carved out when Boris and Natasha have been bought off.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:46:57am

re: #213 Dopamine Fish

Funny, I’m watching one of my favorite streamers streaming it right now. Everything looks okay for them, though maybe they’re privileged.

According to the article server capacity is capped and there are long waits for players to get in to the game. Once they do, it seems to run okay.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:49:00am

re: #193 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Someone on a blog I read at the time said “I’d have enjoyed it a lot more if it had had a different title than ‘Starship Troopers’.”

It was originally entitled Bug Hunt on Planet Nine, which it should have retained.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 8:58:20am

One of the things I think McConnell is counting on is that at some point, Democrats will do whatever is necessary to raise the debt limit, which will include eliminating the filibuster even for it (I like Pelosi’s idea that it’s not a law but a custom). Even a small elimination of the limit will allow McConnell, if he’s in charge (which Manchin and Sinema don’t seem to have a problem with), to do his usual “The Democrats did it first, so we have to use it to fix things.”

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:00:59am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was originally entitled Bug Hunt on Planet Nine, which it should have retained.

I object to any movie having Plan Nine in the title. That also sounds very much like a working title that would have been reduced to one or two words, or entirely changed, for release.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:07:51am

Deja Moo—the sense that you’ve heard the same bullshit before.

Major retailer limits sale of water, toilet paper
al.com

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:09:35am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:16:37am

re: #220 Decatur Deb

“Restrictions are not due to a shortage of the product but issues with the supply chain.”

They’re proactively stopping panic buying so crazy morons don’t fuck it up for the rest of us again.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:17:19am

re: #181 Belafon

The annoying thing about this is that it’s going to make the progressive part of the Democrats into the bad guys rather than the moderates/conservatives who won’t work with the rest of the party.

Excuse me — the progressives are the bad guys. They are a large part of the party but they are not the majority. They had 2 candidates for president (and I supported Warren) but either one would have lost in a landslide to Trump. I like Jayapal and consider myself a progressive, but I am old and a realist based on many years of life lived. Given the situation in the Senate and the razor thin margin in the House, it’s going to take more time to get the large infrastructure bill in a form that it can pass through reconciliation. If the Jayapal caucus doesn’t cooperate, they will merit all the censure directed toward them and they will be the ones responsible for the end of the Biden administration.

If Biden were working with the majorities that Obama had in his first term, it would be very different, but he isn’t.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:20:29am

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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:21:43am

Local English-speaking news outlet on the Gothenburg blast: thelocal.se

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Egregious Philbin  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:24:35am

Fall sunset in Scottsdale

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:26:15am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:27:23am

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

“Restrictions are not due to a shortage of the product but issues with the supply chain.”

They’re proactively stopping panic buying so crazy morons don’t fuck it up for the rest of us again.

Germany has laws that allow retailers to limit purchases to “normal household amounts”.

But in many cases, it is not people buying to stock up, they are bunkering it with an eye for re-selling it at extortionate prices later. That is certainly what we saw in spring of last year.

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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:29:36am
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Dopamine Fish  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:31:33am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germany has laws that allow retailers to limit purchases to “normal household amounts”.

But in many cases, it is not people buying to stock up, they are bunkering it with an eye for re-selling it at extortionate prices later. That is certainly what we saw in spring of last year.

In the United States, as well, retailers are free to set limits on purchases. At the very beginning of the pandemic, there was an uproar amongst consumers when retailers swiftly moved to limit purchases of toilet paper, amid a massive run on the product because of people stocking up to price gouge later on, when it was supposedly going to be scarce.

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:32:22am

re: #225 Teukka

Local English-speaking news outlet on the Gothenburg blast: thelocal.se

From there:

However, a police spokesperson did tell a press conference they did not believe it was due to natural causes.

What would ‘natural causes’ of an explosion in a building be? A fart and a spark?

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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:35:09am

re: #231 wrenchwench

From there:

What would ‘natural causes’ of an explosion in a building be? A fart and a spark?

Gas leak would be my hunch. Which a fart would be… 🤪
Which appears not to be the case, the house is 60’s/70’s vintage, so after gas was phased out…

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:36:04am

re: #225 Teukka

Local English-speaking news outlet on the Gothenburg blast: thelocal.se

How common is this type of incident in Sweden?

It is not common, and Sweden has a low crime rate. But in recent years, there has been a rise in the use of explosives by criminal gangs, as well as in gun violence. Criminologists have previously spoken to The Local about a pattern of increasing violence and recklessness among gang members.

Jeez, sounds like the Gambino Crime Family has moved in.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:40:18am

Right Twitter defending the “Dog Park Karen.”

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darthstar  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:42:26am

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Holy shit, is that real?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:42:40am

re: #234 DodgerFan1988

Some people just aren’t happy unless they’re making others miserable.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:42:54am

re: #223 Hecuba’s daughter

Excuse me — the progressives are the bad guys. They are a large part of the party but they are not the majority. They had 2 candidates for president (and I supported Warren) but either one would have lost in a landslide to Trump. I like Jayapal and consider myself a progressive, but I am old and a realist based on many years of life lived. Given the situation in the Senate and the razor thin margin in the House, it’s going to take more time to get the large infrastructure bill in a form that it can pass through reconciliation. If the Jayapal caucus doesn’t cooperate, they will merit all the censure directed toward them and they will be the ones responsible for the end of the Biden administration.

If Biden were working with the majorities that Obama had in his first term, it would be very different, but he isn’t.

The Jayapal caucus has been giving into the amount being spent. Thave asked for there be a human infrastructure bill along with the other one.

They have yet to be a block on getting either of these bills through. the other hand, Manchin, Sinema, and the other moderates have been cutting spending from both bills, demanding that they be separated, and that the larger infrastructure bill be dropped, even though it would help the constituents that aren’t corporations.

So, no, it’s not the progressives that have been an issue.

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:43:30am

re: #235 darthstar

Holy shit, is that real?

Seems unlikely. Funny, though.

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:43:39am

re: #204 Dopamine Fish

What options do you think they have? However you slice it, it’s shaping up to look like the Democrats are going to have to sacrifice their big wins on infrastructure to avoid a default.

one opinion

Our guess is that the blue team decides to split the two issues and fund the government, leaving the debt ceiling to deal with in a couple of weeks. At that point, Schumer and Pelosi would have two basic choices: they could send a clean debt ceiling bill to the Senate floor, and let the Republicans take responsibility for killing it. Or, they could put the debt ceiling increase into the $3.5 trillion bill, which would make that bill too big to fail, and would give moderate Democrats in both the Senate and the House little choice but to vote for it. This would solve the problem of having to vote for the $1 trillion bill this week, before the $3.5 trillion bill is ready.

If the latter scenario comes to pass, then many will label that a Democratic “surrender.” But is it, really? It’s true that the Republicans will make the Democrats’ wasteful spending a major campaign issue in 2022 if the Democrats lift the debt ceiling all by themselves, but the Republicans are going to do that anyhow. And we are unpersuaded that most voters are highly motivated by the debt ceiling as a wedge issue (or, for that matter, by the debt itself). Meanwhile, the Democrats would have the argument that, in opposing the $3.5 trillion bill, the Republicans apparently don’t like education, day-care, the environment, etc., and that they hate those things so much and they love power so much that they are willing to crash the U.S. economy. Is the Republican side of that spin battle really the stronger side? (Z)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:44:35am

re: #235 darthstar

Holy shit, is that real?

Sadly, no.

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darthstar  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:44:56am

re: #238 calochortus

Seems unlikely. Funny, though.

Remove the word ‘shit’ and it would probably fly.

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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:46:34am

[Sauce]

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:47:28am

re: #239 Dangerman

Republicans apparently don’t like education, day-care, the environment, etc., and that they hate those things so much and they love power so much that they are willing to crash the U.S. economy.

Republicans run on opposing those things and valuing power above all else.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:48:46am

re: #242 Teukka

scientists whose professional reputation depends on their integrity and adherence to the scientific method ready to wreck their careers for a few paltry public activist contributions?

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:50:16am

re: #243 Belafon

Republicans run on opposing those things and valuing power above all else.

indeed
but very few are persuadable / switching sides anymore
this will be about turnout

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:50:32am

re: #243 Belafon

Republicans run on opposing those things and valuing power above all else.

Republicans apparently don’t like education, day-care, the environment, etc., and that they hate those things so much and they love power so much that they are willing to crash the U.S. economy.

education, day-care, environmental, health and safety protections are not seen as investments in a health society and workforce, they are seen as business expenses which all bite into the bottom line. It is about maximizing profits.

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:51:20am

re: #232 Teukka

Gas leak would be my hunch. Which a fart would be… 🤪
Which appears not to be the case, the house is 60’s/70’s vintage, so after gas was phased out…

Oooh, gas was phased out?

Still, gas from a pipe is not ‘natural’, even though they call it ‘natural gas’. Gas seeping up from the ground would be natural. Through a pipe, it’s human-made infrastructure.

Damn, I’m picky when I get up in the morning. Not necessarily right, either. Sorry.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:52:04am

re: #247 wrenchwench

Oooh, gas was phased out?

Still, gas from a pipe is not ‘natural’, even though they call it ‘natural gas’. Gas seeping up from the ground would be natural. Through a pipe, it’s human-made infrastructure.

Damn, I’m picky when I get up in the morning. Not necessarily right, either. Sorry.

I think the phrase that would be more accurate is “accidental causes”, and would include a gas leak, some dumb shit lighting a firework instead of a candle, etc.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:52:29am

re: #245 Dangerman

indeed
but very few are persuadable / switching sides anymore
this will be about turnout

Yep. And overcoming the gerrymandering.

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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:52:33am

re: #247 wrenchwench

Oooh, gas was phased out?

Still, gas from a pipe is not ‘natural’, even though they call it ‘natural gas’. Gas seeping up from the ground would be natural. Through a pipe, it’s human-made infrastructure.

Damn, I’m picky when I get up in the morning. Not necessarily right, either. Sorry.

*slides over double espresso*

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:53:48am

re: #235 darthstar

Holy shit, is that real?

re: #238 calochortus

Seems unlikely. Funny, though.

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

Sadly, no.

Of course it’s “real”

/s/

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:55:01am

re: #250 Teukka

*slides over double espresso*

TYVM

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:55:20am

We are well out of the post-breakthrough isolation period (by about 5-9 days). After talking with docs, Wife has gone for her 3rd Pfizer shot and rescheduled routine doc and dentist visits. Right now she’s outside a local restaurant registering voters because it’s NATIONAL VOTER REGISTRATION DAY. Basically we lucked out on a dice-roll I didn’t want to make.

I’m a long while asymptomatic, if you don’t call the Fall Pollen Hell a symptom.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:56:05am

Rather than a remake of Starship Troopers, I would like to see a major studio movie made from Harry Harrison’s Bill, the Galactic Hero.
(There is a student version, made by Alex Cox of Repo Man and Sid and Nancy fame.)

Harrison reports having been approached by a Vietnam veteran who described Bill as “the only book that’s true about the military.” Terry Pratchett once said, “I don’t think The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy was the funniest Science Fiction novel ever written. The funniest Science Fiction novel ever written was Bill, The Galactic Hero.”

Come to think of it, the Verhoeven movie had more in common with Bill, the Galactic Hero than it did with Heinlein’s original Starship Troopers.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:56:43am

re: #253 Decatur Deb

Welcome back to the land of the living.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:57:04am

re: #210 Belafon

And the trillion dollar coin wouldn’t be any different than letting the default go through as far as the banks would be concerned.

Yes, it would. There is a law which makes the coin perfectly legal.

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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:57:06am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

scientists whose professional reputation depends on their integrity and adherence to the scientific method ready to wreck their careers for a few paltry public activist contributions?

I’ve seen the argument made that adherence to the scientific method is a belief… Yarly…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 9:59:10am

re: #255 Dopamine Fish

Welcome back to the land of the living.

(looks around)

It’s not as nice as I thought it would be.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:00:09am

re: #258 Decatur Deb

(looks around) It’s not as nice as I thought it would be.

Yeah, it ain’t much, but at least it’s real. I’d rather this than live in the eternal hellscape that is the Republican alternate reality.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:00:12am

re: #249 Belafon

Yep. And overcoming the gerrymandering.

The GOP is on track to allow state legislatures to simply dismiss any election results they disagree with with, citing “massive fraud” which they will not even have to demonstrate to any extent.

That was the plan for the last election, alas, it was foiled by a massive pro-Biden turnout and a handful of GOP state election officials who still retained some sense of integrity and decency.

Those people have all been replaced with more “dependable” officials.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:01:15am

re: #257 Teukka

I’ve seen the argument made that adherence to the scientific method is a belief… Yarly…

Confidence Interval.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:02:36am

re: #261 Decatur Deb

I’ve seen the argument made that adherence to the scientific method is a belief… Yarly…

Because only The Bible gives us True Certainty…

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:04:10am
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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:05:04am

re: #254 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

The strike against Nabisco bakeries has been settled by the union and I’m glad I didn’t get around to asking you to suspend use of that last word in your nic. And now I can get a piece of peanut butter pie with an Oreo crust from the bakery I work at.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:05:50am

re: #260 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP is on track to allow state legislatures to simply dismiss any election results they disagree with with, citing “massive fraud” which they will not even have to demonstrate to any extent.

That was the plan for the last election, alas, it was foiled by a massive pro-Biden turnout and a handful of GOP state election officials who still retained some sense of integrity and decency.

Those people have all been replaced with more “dependable” officials.

Not all of them yet, though Raffensburger is being primaried by a loyal Magat.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:13:30am

Listened to a little bit of local talk radio on the way back to work from lunch. They were urging their listeners to follow the medical advice of an NBA player, instead of those damn “Fauci-ites.” Yes, they literally used that term. And really, who doesn’t make an appointment with a professional athlete for healthcare advise instead of a doctor when they need it?

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EstebanTornado1963  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:14:02am

Me and the GF got the Pfizer booster and a flu shot last night. I think the combination of the two is hitting me pretty good today. Lots of body aches and both arms sore (one shot per arm). She seems to be dealing with it a bit better.
So we shall do pretty much nothing for the rest of the day, and hopefully be back to normal tomorrow.

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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:16:55am

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Confidence Interval.

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because only The Bible gives us True Certainty…

Richard Feynman described the Scientific Method the best:

“In general we look for a new law by the following process. First we guess it. Then we compute the consequences of the guess to see what would be implied if this law that we guessed is right. Then we compare the result of the computation to nature, with experiment or experience, compare it directly with observation, to see if it works. If it disagrees with experiment it is wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science. It does not make any difference how beautiful your guess is. It does not make any difference how smart you are, who made the guess, or what his name is - if it disagrees with experiment it is wrong. That is all there is to it.”
— Richard Feynman: The Character of Physical Law (1965), Ch. 7, “Seeking New Laws”

Which incidentally why you always see certain fanatics and fundies repeatedly doing the same thing over and over, ad nausean, hoping that this time the outcome will be different.
While sane of us can after taking a closer look confidently say: “Nah. NOPE. Won’t work.”

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:17:02am

re: #257 Teukka

I’ve seen the argument made that adherence to the scientific method is a belief… Yarly…

accepting the scientific method is not belief without proof. it is belief that - an assertion of generally accepted objective universal truth

belief in are assertions of faith. Faith is belief without proof. it is by definition subjective, and the standards of evidence - in any other but a personally acceptable sense of the word, do not apply

The only ‘assumption’ that science utilizes is that reality exists, is objective, and can be understood by human observers.

the only “faith” is that
- our senses are not systematically trying to deceive us
- the universe is, for the most part, comprehensible.

Everything that follows is based on reason and evidence.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:17:10am

re: #267 EstebanTornado1963

Me and the GF got the Pfizer booster and a flu shot last night. I think the combination of the two is hitting me pretty good today. Lots of body aches and both arms sore (one shot per arm). She seems to be dealing with it a bit better.
So we shall do pretty much nothing for the rest of the day, and hopefully be back to normal tomorrow.

Did you ask your local NBA player if the vaccine, or maybe huffing hydrogen peroxide instead, was right for you?

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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:20:21am

re: #269 Dangerman

accepting the scientific method is not belief without proof. it is belief that - an assertion of generally accepted objective universal truth

belief in are assertions of faith. Faith is belief without proof. it is by definition subjective, and the standards of evidence - in any other but a personally acceptable sense of the word, do not apply

The only ‘assumption’ that science utilizes is that reality exists, is objective, and can be understood by human observers.

the only “faith” is that
- our senses are not systematically trying to deceive us
- the universe is, for the most part, comprehensible.

Everything that follows is based on reason and evidence.

And if applied correctly, the Scientific Method tends strongly to iteratively end up closer and closer to the truth of how something works.
And the longer it isn’t correctly applied, the tendency to end up further and further from the truth of how something works.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:23:40am

re: #269 Dangerman

The scientific method is, in practice, a chainsaw wielded by overconfident chimpanzees.

Still, we need the firewood.

273
EstebanTornado1963  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:23:56am

re: #270 No Malarkey!

Did you ask your local NBA player if the vaccine, or maybe huffing hydrogen peroxide instead, was right for you?

Only would take their advice if they were “well spoken”

274
FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:26:08am

re: #254 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Rather than a remake of Starship Troopers, I would like to see a major studio movie made from Harry Harrison’s Bill, the Galactic Hero.
(There is a student version, made by Alex Cox of Repo Man and Sid and Nancy fame.)

Come to think of it, the Verhoeven movie had more in common with Bill, the Galactic Hero than it did with Heinlein’s original Starship Troopers.

I vaguely recall reading at least the first one.

Did the protagonist at one point have two right arms since it made his job in the military easier? (The wikipedia entry does not describe that, so I might be thinking of something else.)

It’s a pity the Braineater got Harrison some time in the 90s. He was always a bit of a pulp writer, but some of the later stuff like the Stars and Stripes* trilogy was particularly bad.

* - US avoids/ends Civil War by rejoining to fight a war against the UK.

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Teukka  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:26:28am

re: #272 Decatur Deb

The scientific method is, in practice, a chainsaw wielded by overconfident chimpanzees.

Still, we need the firewood.

And there’s no saying that given enough experience, a chimpanzee can’t get truly good at producing firewood.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:26:53am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because only The Bible gives us True Certainty…

And only the Sith believe in absolutes.
/

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:27:27am

re: #275 Teukka

And there’s no saying that given enough experience, a chimpanzee can’t get truly good at producing firewood.

Stumpy, there, was making real progress.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:29:22am

re: #270 No Malarkey!

Did you ask your local NBA player if the vaccine, or maybe huffing hydrogen peroxide instead, was right for you?

We only have a NBA G league team in Birmingham. Is asking one of those players instead of an NBA player like asking a RN instead of a MD? Inquiring minds (and stupid and gullible) want to know. //

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:29:56am

re: #266 No Malarkey!

Listened to a little bit of local talk radio on the way back to work from lunch. They were urging their listeners to follow the medical advice of an NBA player, instead of those damn “Fauci-ites.” Yes, they literally used that term. And really, who doesn’t make an appointment with a professional athlete for healthcare advise instead of a doctor when they need it?

[Embedded content]

Jonathan Isaac is more educated, intelligent, and speaks with more moral clarity on this issue than the reporters that condescendingly cover him and the morons who mock him on Twitter.

Reporters…

What about fauci himself? More Educated and intelligent than him?

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:33:03am
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Jay C  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:33:16am

re: #274 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I vaguely recall reading at least the first one.

Did the protagonist at one point have two right arms since it made his job in the military easier? (The wikipedia entry does not describe that, so I might be thinking of something else.)

It’s a pity the Braineater got Harrison some time in the 90s. He was always a bit of a pulp writer, but some of the later stuff like the Stars and Stripes* trilogy was particularly bad.

* - US avoids/ends Civil War by rejoining to fight a war against the UK.

IIRC, Bill the Galactic Hero lost one arm (Left?) in a space battle, and the military surgeons were so rushed with casualties that they just transplanted the first arm they had available, another right one (from a black comrade, so Bill had two different-color arms).

Long time since I read the book, but (obviously) a lot stuck with me…

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:33:19am

re: #274 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I vaguely recall reading at least the first one.

Did the protagonist at one point have two right arms since it made his job in the military easier? (The wikipedia entry does not describe that, so I might be thinking of something else.)

It’s a pity the Braineater got Harrison some time in the 90s. He was always a bit of a pulp writer, but some of the later stuff like the Stars and Stripes* trilogy was particularly bad.

* - US avoids/ends Civil War by rejoining to fight a war against the UK.

It was indeed Bill who had two right arms:

As one of the few survivors of the battle that ensues, Bill inherits his late drill sergeant’s fangs and has his left arm, which was lost in the chaos, replaced with the right arm of Tembo, making him the only soldier able to salute with both hands at once.

Yep, the drill sergeant, one Deathwish Drang, had surgically implanted fangs.

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darthstar  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:35:40am

Milley 1 : Cotton 0

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:36:13am

re: #267 EstebanTornado1963

Me and the GF got the Pfizer booster and a flu shot last night. I think the combination of the two is hitting me pretty good today. Lots of body aches and both arms sore (one shot per arm). She seems to be dealing with it a bit better.
So we shall do pretty much nothing for the rest of the day, and hopefully be back to normal tomorrow.

When I went to get my first COVID shot I was just over the wire for time between flu and covid shots. Needed to be 2 weeks between them, and I was 15 days so I got the shot. Must not be an issue with the booster now?

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b.d. (The war is over)  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:37:01am

re: #266 No Malarkey!

Listened to a little bit of local talk radio on the way back to work from lunch. They were urging their listeners to follow the medical advice of an NBA player, instead of those damn “Fauci-ites.” Yes, they literally used that term. And really, who doesn’t make an appointment with a professional athlete for healthcare advise instead of a doctor when they need it?

[Embedded content]

the only athlete I take medical advice from is Darryl Strawberry.

//

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:39:29am

re: #133 No Malarkey!

Another fat white guy with a beard dead at age 38 because he believed the rightwing anti-vaccine propaganda. His sister is now calling on people to get vaccinated. sorryantivaxxer.com

That dude had a serious comorbidity… About 100 excess pounds worth.

And fuck the Daily Beast. Poor pitiful assholes need love too. No. Nope. No fucking way. It’s enough to make you want to scream.

287
Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:39:38am

re: #285 b.d. (You lost, we didn’t cheat, you lost)

Well, at least it’s not Dennis Rodman.

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:40:57am
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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:44:31am

Just days after a South Dakota agency moved to deny her daughter’s application to become a certified real estate appraiser, South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R) “summoned to her office the state employee who ran the agency, the woman’s direct supervisor and the state labor secretary,” the AP reports.

Noem’s daughter attended the meeting too

.

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darthstar  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:48:05am

Getting back to those “dozens” of police resignations…looks like the total count is…drumroll…one.

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darthstar  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:49:53am

re: #289 Dangerman

[Embedded content]

.

Her daughter attended the meeting? Jesus.

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:51:27am

re: #286 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That dude had a serious comorbidity… About 100 excess pounds worth.

And fuck the Daily Beast. Poor pitiful assholes need love too. No. Nope. No fucking way. It’s enough to make you want to scream.

I was reading some covid news out loud at breakfast and mrsdm exploded.
at me.
Snapped. Instantly with no restraint.
Screamed at the reader/messenger.
Lovable me.
because she is so far past it…

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:53:13am

re: #289 Dangerman

[Embedded content]

.

“Summoned&
Had her daughter there (totally humiliated or more likely like Karen like daughter)

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darthstar  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:55:12am

re: #293 Dangerman

“Summoned&
Had her daughter there (totally humiliated or more likely like Karen like daughter)

Honestly, if I were one of the people summoned, I’d shame her daughter on the spot. “I’m so sorry your little girl didn’t qualify for certification, but we do have standards.”

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Dangerman  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:58:48am

re: #291 darthstar

Her daughter attended the meeting? Jesus.

The story sucks (AP)
And they spun it covered it up pretty well

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No Malarkey!  Sep 28, 2021 • 10:58:58am

re: #285 b.d. (You lost, we didn’t cheat, you lost)

the only athlete I take medical advice from is Darryl Strawberry.

//

Not Doc Gooden?///

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darthstar  Sep 28, 2021 • 11:15:49am

re: #295 Dangerman

The story sucks (AP)
And they spun it covered it up pretty well

Wow. Thanks for the link. At least Bren got 200K for her troubles.


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