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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2021 • 10:56:03am
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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 10:57:11am
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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:00:21am
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:00:50am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

More so the DC and NYC media. They absolutely cannot wrap their brains around the reactionary insanity of the GOP now. The Chuck Todd/Cilizza crew will still be marveling at how ‘savvy’ McConnell is right up to the point the Republic begins to collapse.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:01:02am

The newest entry in the sorryantivaxxer.com sweepstakes is a nurse who spread the gospel of antivax by writing tacky poetry bashing liberals and kissing Trump’s ass.

Steve Shurden, 58, Tulsa, OK, RN - Travel Nurse, anti-vaxx poet, dead from COVID.

According to his wife’s social media post (below), Steve passed away from COVID on October 19, 2021. He leaves behind his wife Teresa, and their two daughters. Steve was a registered nurse who worked for Trustaff nurse staffing. Teresa was also a nurse as a Licensed Vocational Nurse. They had recently purchased a new touring RV just before Steve caught COVID. I think they’d planned to travel the country and help newly opened clinics or something. Both Steve and Teresa were/are adamant anti-vaxxers as you’ll see. Steve loves to write politically charged poems and was about to publish a book of his right-wing Trumparian poems. Too bad that didn’t happen ;)

sorryantivaxxer.com

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:01:11am

re: #3 jaunte

Is Lt. Gov. Fetterman finally going to get his Sheetz gift cards?

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:01:22am
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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:02:53am
“…Ralph Thurman, a 72-year-old Republican who Frank turned in after seeing him vote twice on Election Day, once for himself and once for his son, who was a registered Democrat.”
..
“…Thurman pleaded guilty to repeat voting. He was sentenced to three years probation and barred from voting for four years”

The vast majority of people are able to make the personal risk/reward calculation that illegal voting entails, and avoid it like the plague.

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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:04:36am

I guess “avoid it like the plague” is too rational a phrase for our current political environment.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:05:03am

re: #9 jaunte

I guess “avoid it like the plague” is too rational a phrase for our current political environment.

The last 18 months have shown us that human beings are astoundingly bad at avoiding the plague.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:05:43am

re: #3 jaunte

What a fucking cheapskate. The million dollar bet winds up with a measly $25K.

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Dangerman  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:07:29am

re: #8 jaunte

The vast majority of people are able to make the personal risk/reward calculation that illegal voting entails, and avoid it like the plague.

Thurman pleaded guilty to repeat voting. He was sentenced to three years probation and barred from voting for four years”

But Crystal Mason is sent to jail for 5 years

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:07:41am

re: #11 JOE 🥓

What a fucking cheapskate. The million dollar bet winds up with a measly $25K.

Actually, that’s the full price. I remember that the original deal was $25k per verified instance of voter fraud, up to $1M total. This was discussed frequently when Lt. Gov. Fetterman laid claim to the money. Lt. Gov. Patrick was banking on tons of people coming forward to profess that they caught Democrats in the act of voter fraud. In the end, all they could find was less than a dozen cases of Republicans committing voter fraud.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:07:55am

re: #7 Punish Domestic Terrorists

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Fuck KindaSleezy Rice

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Dangerman  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:09:00am

re: #10 Dopamine Fish

The last 18 months have shown us that human beings are astoundingly bad at avoiding the plague.

(In the US)
Human brings are doing fine
Its republicans that are astoundingly bad at it

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:09:02am

re: #14 Eventual Carrion

Fuck KindaSleezy Rice

Of course Comrade Ricekrispies wants to move on! It’s what The Party Commands!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:10:29am

the propaganda video that Jim Jordan tried to play during Garland’s hearing:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:10:56am

re: #16 JOE 🥓

Of course Comrade Ricekrispies wants to move on! It’s what The Party Commands!

but Benghazi!

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Dangerman  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:11:35am

re: #14 Eventual Carrion

Fuck KindaSleezy Rice

Move on?
I’d ask her directly:
Don’t we want to know if the president was involved?
And
Shouldn’t everyone who participated or aided or abetted be prosecuted?

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:12:12am

re: #16 JOE 🥓

Of course Comrade Ricekrispies wants to move on! It’s what The Party Commands!

Man, FUCK all this “party over everything” bullshit. I don’t care if you are a current or former elected official of a political party, that does not make the party God. They literally worship their political identity like a cult.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:12:19am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

the propaganda video that Jim Jordan tried to play during Garland’s hearing:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:13:11am
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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:14:56am

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

uh, no you fool.

Putin is winning.

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Dangerman  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:15:37am

re: #21 Barefoot Grin

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:17:39am
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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:18:31am

re: #20 Dopamine Fish

Man, FUCK all this “party over everything” bullshit. I don’t care if you are a current or former elected official of a political party, that does not make the party God. They literally worship their political identity like a cult.

As I posted in the last thread—People used to scoff at me when I said that the Republican Party was turning into the Soviet Communist Party.

Compare speeches made by Soviet Communists against those of Republicans and you will notice that the speeches are the same with two exceptions—When Soviet Communists said Marx, Republicans say God and when Soviet Communists say Lenin, Republicans say Reagan.

No doubt in my mind that if they get back in control of Congress they will go after Fauci and I fully expect Republican Attorneys General to indict Fauci for murder.

Would they also indict Soros? You betcha!

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:21:09am

re: #24 Dangerman

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:21:52am

And WHO is financing these school board protests?

Why it’s the same asshole who financed the teabaggers!

CHARLES KOCH

Koch-backed group fuels opposition to school mask mandates, leaked letter shows

A template letter circulated by Independent Women’s Forum offers a glimpse into a well-resourced campaign against public health regulations

Koch is living his Ayn Rand fantasy—killing off the weak, infirm and elderly and getting away with it!

washingtonpost.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:25:55am

re: #5 JOE 🥓

The newest entry in the sorryantivaxxer.com sweepstakes is a nurse who spread the gospel of antivax by writing tacky poetry bashing liberals and kissing Trump’s ass.

Steve Shurden, 58, Tulsa, OK, RN - Travel Nurse, anti-vaxx poet, dead from COVID.

sorryantivaxxer.com

Response from a pro-vax poet:

He thought the whole thing was a plot,
so he didn’t bother getting the shot.
But as these things go,
He’s now six feet below,
A lot sooner than he probably thought.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:26:48am

re: #19 Dangerman

Move on?
I’d ask her directly:
Don’t we want to know if the president was involved?
And
Shouldn’t everyone who participated or aided or abetted be prosecuted?

Condi Ricekrispies answer—Let’s move on. Forget about it just like we forgot about Contra Cocaine flooding into South Central Los Angeles!

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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:26:56am

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I used to say that the South won the Civil War in 1994 with the Gingrich Revolution and the Contract on America. John Roberts murdering the Voting Rights Act a couple of decades later cemented that victory.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:28:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:31:02am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:32:23am
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JC1  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:34:16am

Regarding Trump’s new social network ‘Truth’… ‘Pravda’ literarily means truth in Russian, and is the name of the famous propaganda paper. I’m sure that the name he chose wasn’t an accident.

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The Squire of Logos  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:34:44am

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not just the hand gestures but the little shrug and head-shake as well.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:35:16am

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

Remember Republicans! You must always sing the praises of Mao-Ze-Trump!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:35:38am

re: #36 The Squire of Logos

Not just the hand gestures but the little shrug and head-shake as well.

Sir story coming in 3…2…1…

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:35:53am

re: #35 JC1

Regarding Trump’s new social network ‘Truth’… ‘Pravda’ literarily means truth in Russian. I’m sure that the name he chose wasn’t an accident.

Putin made that very clear to his puppet!

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The Squire of Logos  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:36:16am

re: #35 JC1

There is no Pravda in Izvestia and there is no Izvestia in Pravda!

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aatharuv  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:37:28am

re: #28 JOE 🥓

And WHO is financing these school board protests?

Why it’s the same asshole who financed the teabaggers!

CHARLES KOCH

Koch-backed group fuels opposition to school mask mandates, leaked letter shows

A template letter circulated by Independent Women’s Forum offers a glimpse into a well-resourced campaign against public health regulations

Koch is living his Ayn Rand fantasy—killing off the weak, infirm and elderly and getting away with it!

washingtonpost.com

The oligarchs want to make America an underdeveloped country, to improve their quality of life and lower their taxes at the cost of making society as a whole far worse off.

In a third world country, the ultra-rich, can have an _overall_ better life, by spending money to make up for the lack of government services.

- Instead of paying taxes to hire police and other first responders, they hire private protection.
- They can buy elected officials and bureaucrats, to benefit them, rather than having public taxes
- They can buy their own electricity generators instead of dealing with a fourth class power system, that government’s don’t have money to build up.
- They can build water pumps, have water storage tanks and filtration tanks, rather than paying to have clean, reliable water provided to the community.
- They can send their children to private schools with mask and/or vaccination mandates, instead of going to underfunded public schools. It’ll be cheaper for them.
- They can send out the hired help to do their shopping outside, if they’re worried about catching something. And of course pay to have their hired help vaccinated, of course.
- They can hire a driver to drive them in a crowded city, rather than depend on a good quality public transport system.

Of course, not all of these are exclusive to the ultra-rich. In many countries, some of the above are also true for the merely rich, and even the upper middle classes. And sadly, they’re increasingly true in America.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:43:47am
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Belafon  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:45:14am

re: #42 Scottish Dragon

And the Supreme Court basically allowed that a few years ago.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:45:16am

CBS now posting that Manchin offered to become an Independent if…he were causing a “problem” for Democrats…

Moderate Democratic Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia said Thursday he had offered to drop his formal affiliation with the Democratic Party and instead be independent if he were causing a “problem” for the caucus.

He was asked by reporters at the Capitol about a report that he had threatened to leave the party if his demands weren’t met on the social spending bill under negotiation by moderate and progressive Democrats.

“No,” he said. But he disclosed a conversation in which he said that if he were ever “an embarrassment” to Democratic colleagues and the president, if “me being a moderate centrist Democrat if that causes you a problem, let me know, and I’d switch to be an independent, but I’d still be caucusing with Democrats.”

cbsnews.com

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:46:06am
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Belafon  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:46:41am

re: #44 JOE 🥓

CBS now posting that Manchin offered to become an Independent if…he were causing a “problem” for Democrats…

Moderate Democratic Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia said Thursday he had offered to drop his formal affiliation with the Democratic Party and instead be independent if he were causing a “problem” for the caucus.

He was asked by reporters at the Capitol about a report that he had threatened to leave the party if his demands weren’t met on the social spending bill under negotiation by moderate and progressive Democrats.

“No,” he said. But he disclosed a conversation in which he said that if he were ever “an embarrassment” to Democratic colleagues and the president, if “me being a moderate centrist Democrat if that causes you a problem, let me know, and I’d switch to be an independent, but I’d still be caucusing with Democrats.”

cbsnews.com

Which doesn’t really change much. We still complain about Bernie not being a proper Democrat.

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Citizen K  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:50:55am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I really really wish Democrats would stop pretending they’re dealing with a “loyal opposition.” The Republican Party has gone full fascist and they’re not even hiding it. It’s time for Democrats to take off the kid gloves and start telling the plain truth.

Again, one of the main problems with that, cathartic as it’d be, is the same DC press filter as always, where speaking that candidly will either get you totally ignored, or completely mischaracterized and savaged on that mischaracterization.

On top of that, it’s still apparent that a lot of our voter pool still likes paeans toward bipartisanship, and won’t be animated by overt adversarial language toward the GOP like the GOP base is toward us. So we’re kind of still in a damned-if-you-do lurch with that.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:51:41am

re: #45 Dread Pirate Ron

“this is a joke.”

This is narcissistic personality disorder. Tech giants built social media over many years, so why shouldn’t a know nothing that bellows out orders that only trash will follow be able to replace them in months?

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:54:47am

re: #45 Dread Pirate Ron

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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:56:54am

re: #46 Belafon

Which doesn’t really change much. We still complain about Bernie not being a proper Democrat.

That’s because he isn’t. He’s an Independent who runs as a Democrat in primaries, then after he wins the Democratic primary in his state to become the party nominee, renounces that party affiliation to run as an Independent, then, after election, he serves as an Independent who caucuses with the Democrats. Then, whenever he decides to run for president, he runs as a Democrat in the primaries bitching about the Democratic party and, when he fails to win the nomination, reverts to being an Independent gadfly surrounded by a cult of personality, sort of like a leftist LUAP NOR.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 21, 2021 • 11:59:05am

re: #50 A Three Hour Tour

For all that Bernie has been a pain in the ass at times, he has never sabotaged the Dem legislative agenda like Manchin and Sinema. If anything, Bernie has been the biggest booster of Biden’s agenda.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:00:15pm
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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:01:47pm

re: #45 Dread Pirate Ron

Remember how Trump took on the giants of vodka. Like that.

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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:03:55pm

“… Joy Pullman, the executive editor of the site, chirpily explains that it’s really a shame that so many Christians have bought into the secular, and wrong, idea that death during a pandemic is a bad thing. After all, only heretics would believe that “life is over once a person stops breathing,” or indeed that humans can actually prevent death at all.”

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:04:59pm

YouTube

Subbed in a theatre arts class earlier today and showed this: 80s ABT production of La Sonnambula with Baryshnikov, Leslie Browne and Prima Ballerina Assoluta Alessandra Ferri.

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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:05:06pm

Please don’t encourage Christians to do this good thing online despite how good it is, or your account might be locked.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:05:46pm

“Don’t put lamb’s blood on your door. Embrace the Spirit passing through Egypt!”

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:06:56pm

re: #57 Belafon

“Don’t put lamb’s blood on your door. Embrace the Spirit passing through Egypt!”

That scene from the Ridley Scott version is scary AF. It’s like God just dropped the hammer.

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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:07:15pm

“First, do no harm. Or what the hell, do whatever.”

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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:12:08pm
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Teddy's Person  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:14:31pm

re: #60 jaunte

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I did not have “Cheney Spawn Works to Save Democracy” on my 2021 bingo card.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:15:01pm

re: #48 Punish Domestic Terrorists

“this is a joke.”

This is narcissistic personality disorder. Tech giants built social media over many years, so why shouldn’t a know nothing that bellows out orders that only trash will follow be able to replace them in months?

It’s notable that he had his minions construct his new social media site to look as close to Twitter as possible, so he could pretend like he was playing on Twitter with the big kids.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:16:43pm

2nd attempt to pass Freedom to Vote Act failed again thanks to all Republicans voting NO.

SO where are those 10 republicans Joe Manchin insisted were there?

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:16:52pm

re: #62 Dopamine Fish

It’s notable that he had his minions construct his new social media site to look as close to Twitter as possible, so he could pretend like he was playing on Twitter with the big kids.

I understand. I had a hard time when Digg 4.0 ruined Digg, and reskinned Reddit for my Digg fix for a while.

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The Squire of Logos  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:17:07pm

re: #62 Dopamine Fish

It’s notable that he had his minions construct his new social media site look as close to Twitter as possible, so he could pretend like he was playing on Twitter with the big kids.

Don’t ya think that’s what is really going on? The lackeys are humoring him by making him a Twitter/Netflix/Amazon clone so he won’t throw a tantrum.

God what a sad little man.

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Teddy's Person  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:18:21pm
At 9 p.m. every night, inmates in the so-called Patriot Wing of the D.C. Correctional Treatment Facility reportedly stand at attention and sing The Star-Spangled Banner. You can even listen, if you want, to an alleged recording of it on the website called The Patriot Freedom Project.

Inmates had also started their own handwritten newsletter and passed it from cell to cell, one detainee told NBC 4.


The “Patriot Wing” houses the most hardcore perpetrators of the January 6 riot, roughly 40 men in all. Source: Vice News

This Oz reboot looks like it sucks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:21:00pm

re: #45 Dread Pirate Ron

Trump’s new social-media investors didn’t know he was involved when they loaned $300 million

Ruh roh.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:21:22pm

re: #66 Teddy’s Person

This Oz reboot looks like it sucks.

Sounds like the federal government needs to scatter these guys around the country.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:21:35pm

re: #66 Teddy’s Person

This Oz reboot looks like it sucks.

They’re literally locked in cells for attacking Congress, and still imagine that they’re “patriots.”
I guess admitting that they’re enemies of America who are being brought to justice wouldn’t feel so great.

Their judges should know about their complete lack of remorse.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:21:44pm

re: #66 Teddy’s Person

This Oz reboot looks like it sucks.

New Far Cry sounds kinda strange….

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:23:43pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump’s new social-media investors didn’t know he was involved when they loaned $300 million

Ruh roh.

People got grifted for $300 million for a Mastodon instance? Damn, right-wing authoritarians are stupid.

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Teddy's Person  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:24:15pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump’s new social-media investors didn’t know he was involved when they loaned $300 million

Ruh roh.

Capitalism, at this point, is just rich people passing money back and forth.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:24:34pm

re: #65 The Squire of Logos

Don’t ya think that’s what is really going on? The lackeys are humoring him by making him a Twitter/Netflix/Amazon clone so he won’t throw a tantrum.

God what a sad little man.

It’s obviously not the entire point - he obviously wants to get people to pay attention to him again - but the fact that he’s making these things look exactly like their real-world counterparts is obviously to keep him from blowing his stack because he can’t have the real things.

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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:25:50pm

re: #65 The Squire of Logos

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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:26:23pm

The Trump family business is made of bubbles.

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Teddy's Person  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:27:00pm

re: #73 Dopamine Fish

It’s obviously not the entire point - he obviously wants to get people to pay attention to him again - but the fact that he’s making these things look exactly like their real-world counterparts is obviously to keep him from blowing his stack because he can’t have the real things.

Plus, coming up with original ideas and/or products is hard work. Not a popular activity in Trumplandia.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:27:17pm

re: #74 jaunte

Criminality out in the open.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:27:45pm

re: #75 jaunte

The Trump family business is made of bubbles.

I’m forever busting bubbles….

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:27:54pm

re: #76 Teddy’s Person

Plus, coming up with original ideas and/or products is hard work. Not a popular activity in Trumplandia.

“Make me a Twitter clone.”
“What should it look like?”
“I DON’T CARE! I pay you to figure out what it looks like! Make it look as much like Twitter as we can without getting sued!”

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:28:52pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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If it means a good 5G connection, I’m in

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:29:25pm

re: #26 JOE 🥓

As I posted in the last thread—People used to scoff at me when I said that the Republican Party was turning into the Soviet Communist Party.

Compare speeches made by Soviet Communists against those of Republicans and you will notice that the speeches are the same with two exceptions—When Soviet Communists said Marx, Republicans say God and when Soviet Communists say Lenin, Republicans say Reagan.

No doubt in my mind that if they get back in control of Congress they will go after Fauci and I fully expect Republican Attorneys General to indict Fauci for murder.

Would they also indict Soros? You betcha!

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:30:28pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

What’s even more hilarious is that Trump’s social media goons have created a TOS that will ban those who criticize Trump, his platform, or violate anything that Trump and his goons deem insufficiently Trumpist.

They want a cult. They got a cult.

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The Squire of Logos  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:30:40pm

re: #73 Dopamine Fish

It’s obviously not the entire point - he obviously wants to get people to pay attention to him again - but the fact that he’s making these things look exactly like their real-world counterparts is obviously to keep him from blowing his stack because he can’t have the real things.

Oh sure TFG is always in need of attention. Attention is his oxygen, his life. It is so pathetic that he has neither intelligence nor insight to do anything original (except run grifts on investors and rubes).

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BeachDem  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:31:05pm

re: #73 Dopamine Fish

It’s obviously not the entire point - he obviously wants to get people to pay attention to him again - but the fact that he’s making these things look exactly like their real-world counterparts is obviously to keep him from blowing his stack because he can’t have the real things.

Or…

Donald Trump’s new ‘social media platform’ isn’t a Twitter rival. It’s an investment scam


The truth behind TRUTH Social is right there in the first paragraph of the announcement, which is not focused on the technology behind the platform, or anything that Trump is bringing to the table. Instead, that paragraph is dedicated to explaining how the project has been given “an initial enterprise value of $875 million” and “a cumulative valuation up to $1.7 billion.” Which is amazing, because what it seems to have is nothing more than a credit line and some highly generic code that was hacked within minutes of the beta address becoming known…it doesn’t matter if the site ever sticks its head above the waste pool again. Because that’s not the point. Donald Trump is potentially walking about with $340 million, even if it fails completely. That’s the point.

dailykos.com

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:31:48pm

re: #84 BeachDem

Jesus H. Christ. No wonder the investors are raising their eyebrows. They’re just now realizing they’ve been had.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:33:09pm

re: #60 jaunte

Impersonating a government official/role? Yeah, there’s no consequences for that either.

Banks should be stripped of his committees for that kind of bulkshit.

Gloves off. Stop treating GOPers as though they can somehow be bargained with or that they wont put nation over the party.

The GOP have gone all in on the fascism. They don’t care about rule of law, or the rules - only those that the GOP can bend to their will and subvert to further GOP needs.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:34:53pm

Fuckin Jim Jordan y’all:

Same fuckers are also complaining about gas prices today versus a year ago.

As if the pandemic didn’t wreck the economy a year ago and leave everything in a flaming ruin.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:36:53pm

re: #82 lawhawk

And yeah, this was always about grifting and conning investors who didn’t care/realize they’d be the ones out of money when they finance Trump’s latest scam.

Trump’s legacy of failure continues, as he always leaves others holding the bag while he walks away with a handful of cash to keep his real estate business afloat until the next check clears and next scam can get underway.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:37:36pm

re: #82 lawhawk

What’s even more hilarious is that Trump’s social media goons have created a TOS that will ban those who criticize Trump, his platform, or violate anything that Trump and his goons deem insufficiently Trumpist.

They want a cult. They got a cult.

They call messages on a service built because Twitter fact checks and they did not like that “Truths.” They’re not trying to hide the fact that they’re a cult.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:37:55pm

Oh yeah, and then there’s this:

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:39:44pm

re: #87 lawhawk

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:42:50pm
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Dopamine Fish  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:43:48pm

re: #92 lawhawk

I saw that the vote was 211-205, with two Republicans - presumably Cheney and Kinzinger - joining the Democrats. It’s a fucking cult.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:46:13pm

re: #93 Dopamine Fish

I saw that the vote was 211-205, with two Republicans - presumably Cheney and Kinzinger - joining the Democrats. It’s a fucking cult.

I cannot escape the feeling we are watching the last days of the Republic before things fall apart very, very quickly. The Soviet Union declined for 2 decades before imploding in less than a year. I think about that a lot.

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calochortus  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:46:57pm

re: #74 jaunte

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Freepers are bragging on what they paid for the stock. Wishing they had more money to invest. Dreaming about this giant alternative to all other social media that will provide much better service worldwide at cheaper prices.
Apparently they think Trump will end up bypassing most existing internet infrastructure and create a satellite network of some sort. Because he always just waits for other people to fail and then sweeps in and shows them how it’s done. Or something.

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darthstar  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:47:15pm

re: #54 jaunte

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Dying is good! Unless you’re the one dying. These people don’t notice that their flock tend to be somewhat remorseful about their decisions as they’re about to be intubated, begging desperately for the vaccine though their fate has been cast.

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darthstar  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:48:06pm

We’re up to five Yea votes from Republicans on holding Bannon in contempt of congress.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:51:40pm

re: #94 Scottish Dragon

I cannot escape the feeling we are watching the last days of the Republic before things fall apart very, very quickly. The Soviet Union declined for 2 decades before imploding in less than a year. I think about that a lot.

I keep going back and forth.

There’s a large part of me that wants to believe that truth and sanity will prevail. Most of the time, I feel optimistic that the people in charge see what’s going on, see the reality, and that any time now, we’ll see something happen that validates my faith in humanity.

But then.

But then something inevitably happens. The U.S. Senate is a complete and total floating dumpster fire, and really just needs to be scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up. The President has a great agenda lined up, but is powerless to act on his own. The DOJ is making zero noise about a serious pursuit of the criminals who tried to destroy the very fabric of our democracy for no other reason than to avoid going to jail. Texas, or Georgia, or some other backwards hellhole of a state passes a new law or executive order that guarantees more people die to the plague, or removes rights from people. And I just get dragged back into despair all over again that the bad guys are winning and that I’m going to live the rest of my life staring at a fascist autocracy that I was powerless to prevent.

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darthstar  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:57:51pm

re: #97 darthstar

We’re up to five Yea votes from Republicans on holding Bannon in contempt of congress.

Seven now…interesting. There were 10 who voted for impeachment so there’s a chance of at least three more, but if that number hits 11, watch for Republicans to start crumbling and some to change their votes.

8 now.

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retired cynic  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:58:30pm

NOT EVEN FOX NEWS IS STANDING BY DEVIN NUNES’S LATEST PETTY LAWSUIT
The conservative outlet was among 35 media organizations that argued Nunes’s case against journalist Ryan Lizza—which was unexpectedly revived last month—should be reheard.
vanityfair.com

News organizations continued to sound the alarm in this week’s amicus brief. “Journalists rely on a wide and long-standing judicial consensus that providing a reader with a hyperlink to an article does not republish it for purposes of a libel claim,” the brief states. “They also rely on long-settled precedent holding that receiving a prepublication denial from the subject of a critical report does not, on its own, establish actual malice in publishing the report.” The panel’s decision to depart from what has been settled law “could significantly chill future reporting and commentary about public officials and public figures,” “threatens to upend how information is disseminated and sourced,” and could “drastically reduce the flow of information to the public,” they wrote.

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darthstar  Oct 21, 2021 • 12:59:27pm

9 - Nancy Mace voted yea and she didn’t vote to impeach.

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darthstar  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:00:04pm

8 again - someone got cold feet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:01:38pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:01:54pm

re: #87 lawhawk

Why do these fucking idiots think the President controls the price of everything?

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The Squire of Logos  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:03:24pm

re: #104 Eclectic Cyborg

You answered your own question with words “fucking idiots.”

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:03:30pm
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darthstar  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:05:00pm

220 yea…doesn’t matter if anyone else votes for it. Bannon’s fucked.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:05:52pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Even if what you say were false, there’s still the fact that right wing organizations have set up systems to auto-like posts from those they want to amplify, giving them far more reach than they should have.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:06:18pm
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darthstar  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:07:13pm

Back to 9. Nancy Pelosi does it again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:08:45pm
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sagehen  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:09:25pm

re: #88 lawhawk

And yeah, this was always about grifting and conning investors who didn’t care/realize they’d be the ones out of money when they finance Trump’s latest scam.

Trump’s legacy of failure continues, as he always leaves others holding the bag while he walks away with a handful of cash to keep his real estate business afloat until the next check clears and next scam can get underway.

ETTD

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:10:25pm

re: #31 A Three Hour Tour

I used to say that the South won the Civil War in 1994 with the Gingrich Revolution and the Contract on America. John Roberts murdering the Voting Rights Act a couple of decades later cemented that victory.

Unless you’re planning to surrender, no they haven’t won. Nor ever will.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:10:52pm
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The Squire of Logos  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:11:37pm

re: #107 darthstar

220 yea…doesn’t matter if anyone else votes for it. Bannon’s fucked.

Best news I’ve had today.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:12:42pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

The thing is the Trumpers and RWNJs spend way the hell more time consuming social media than the rest of us do. In other words, they are making the tech companies a ton of money.

They don’t want to kill their golden goose, so all we get is lip service and a fucking ridiculous double standard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:14:00pm
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darthstar  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:14:17pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

Watching Liz Cheney body slam MTG is one of the more entertaining aspects of this.

Gavel down. Once the last Democrat voted they called it. And there was one Republican non-vote.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:14:57pm

So, does Bannon get arrested now?

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sagehen  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:15:51pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m becoming quite fond of Liz Cheney. (in spite of all the reasons I never was)

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:16:23pm

re: #119 Eclectic Cyborg

So, does Bannon get arrested now?

Yep, unless he flees the country or goes into hiding. I would love to see federal marshals dig him out of a hole, Saddam Hussein style.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:16:29pm

re: #98 Dopamine Fish

On my reading list. Reviewers say it’s a fairly dense academic sociology work, but I’m gonna check it out.

How all great powers decline—including the United States

The extent and irreversibility of US decline is ever more obvious as America loses one war after another and its industries slip behind the competition. Richard Lachmann explains why the United States will find it impossible to retain global dominance. He contrasts America’s relatively brief period of hegemony with the Netherlands’ similarly short primacy and Britain’s far longer era of leadership.

Decline in those cases was not inevitable and did not respond to global capitalist cycles. It was the product of the success elites had in grabbing control of resources and governmental powers. In this process, not only are ordinary people harmed, but capitalists become increasingly unable to coordinate their interests as a class. They fail to adopt policies and make the investments necessary to counter economic and geopolitical competitors elsewhere in the world.

Following this model, Lachmann traces the transformation of US politics from an era of elite consensus to its present-day condition of paralysis and plunder, explaining the paradox of an American military with an unprecedented technological edge unable to subdue even the weakest enemies, and the consequences of finance’s cannibalization of the economy.

versobooks.com

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sagehen  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:17:55pm

re: #119 Eclectic Cyborg

So, does Bannon get arrested now?

nah

Now it goes to the DOJ, the US Atty for DC. He maybe (probably) impanels a Grand Jury. Which if/when it indicts, send the case to trial. (with a DC jury). If/when Bannon is convicted, THEN he gets arrested.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:18:45pm

re: #119 Eclectic Cyborg

So, does Bannon get arrested now?

Watch him run into the Brazilian Embassy and request asylum.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:18:55pm

re: #120 sagehen

I’m becoming quite fond of Liz Cheney. (in spite of all the reasons I never was)

She’s standing up for the country against her failed party, knowing it means no political future for her unless the Trumpists are stopped. She pretty much has to follow through with rooting out everyone in Congress who has betrayed the nation for Trump.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:21:41pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

She said “Jewish space lasers,” which is anti-Semitic, but at the level she “thinks,” she did not say anti-Semitic space lasers.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:25:26pm

re: #122 Scottish Dragon

On my reading list. Reviewers say it’s a fairly dense academic sociology work, but I’m gonna check it out.

versobooks.com

The iron rule of history is that all empires fall. They fall when they overextend militarily while ignoring domestic concerns.

The US has been in decline since the first OPEC oil embargo in 1973. Ever since then its’ decline has been accelerating. More and more wealth has gone to the wealthy as the middle class has completely collapsed. It’s only a matter of time before the inevitable breakup.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:28:14pm

Resident Evil 4 VR is out for the Quest 2 today. The reviews are good, and I’ll be playing in an hour.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:29:41pm

I hate to be a pessimist but I doubt anything is really going to happen to Steve Bannon. This feels like an empty ritual at this point.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:31:21pm

re: #42 Scottish Dragon

Incredible. One of the most crucial links in the supply chain, has been for years, built on the premise that some workers would provide labor for free.

I worked for a while for TNT, a courier company, and all those delivery guys are “free-lance entrepreneurs” who lease their trucks from TNT, have them painted with company livery, work the schedule assigned to them by their supervisor, and get paid piece work at a rate determined by TNT.

No benefits, no paid time off. If they deliver late, they either get docked or not paid at all.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:31:36pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

I got to agree with Charles. Thanks to the corrupted courts I expect Bannon to get away with it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:33:26pm

re: #131 JOE 🥓

I got to agree with Charles. Thanks to the corrupted courts I expect Bannon to get away with it.

Same here. I’d love to be wrong.

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sagehen  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:35:56pm

re: #127 JOE 🥓

The iron rule of history is that all empires fall. They fall when they overextend militarily while ignoring domestic concerns.

The US has been in decline since the first OPEC oil embargo in 1973. Ever since then its’ decline has been accelerating. More and more wealth has gone to the wealthy as the middle class has completely collapsed. It’s only a matter of time before the inevitable breakup.

I had a dispute with my ultra-conservative sister recently. She’d tried to claim that FDR destroyed capitalism, but I think I was able to persuade her otherwise. Pointed out that during (and due to) the worldwide Great Depression, Europe went full-on genocidal fascist. Asia went full-on genocidal communist. The US remained a capitalist democracy, because the New Deal gave everyone a stake in keeping it that way. FDR and his “socialism-lite” is what held off the torches and pitchforks.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:37:11pm

The question is whether Merritt Garland will act on the referral. If so, he’ll be tried in the courts that are putting away the 1/6 insurrectionists.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:38:57pm

re: #133 sagehen

I had a dispute with my ultra-conservative sister recently. She’d tried to claim that FDR destroyed capitalism,

He destroyed the kind of capitalism that led to the Great Depression in the first place, yes…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:41:58pm

re: #133 sagehen

I had a dispute with my ultra-conservative sister recently. She’d tried to claim that FDR destroyed capitalism, but I think I was able to persuade her otherwise. Pointed out that during (and due to) the worldwide Great Depression, Europe went full-on genocidal fascist. Asia went full-on genocidal communist. The US remained a capitalist democracy, because the New Deal gave everyone a stake in keeping it that way. FDR and his “socialism-lite” is what held off the torches and pitchforks.

Hell Capitalism came out better because of the New Deal. That’s what the conservatives don’t get. They see Capitalism as stale. Liberals see it as evolving. Liberal capitalism is more closer to the vision of Smith than the conservatives who were Mercantilist absolute monarchists in Smith’s days.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:42:54pm

...

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:43:26pm

re: #133 sagehen

I had a dispute with my ultra-conservative sister recently. She’d tried to claim that FDR destroyed capitalism, but I think I was able to persuade her otherwise. Pointed out that during (and due to) the worldwide Great Depression, Europe went full-on genocidal fascist. Asia went full-on genocidal communist. The US remained a capitalist democracy, because the New Deal gave everyone a stake in keeping it that way. FDR and his “socialism-lite” is what held off the torches and pitchforks.

Generally the type of person of which you speak doesn’t even know what the words socialism and communism actually mean. I don’t know that it’s worth arguing too hard with someone who thinks anyone slightly to the left of Ludwig von Mises is a communist.

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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:43:43pm

re: #136 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

monarchists

There you have it.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:43:50pm
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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:44:24pm

Fundamentally, it’s the monarchists against the rest of us.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:48:34pm

re: #136 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Hell Capitalism came out better because of the New Deal. That’s what the conservatives don’t get. They see Capitalism as stale. Liberals see it as evolving. Liberal capitalism is more closer to the vision of Smith than the conservatives who were Mercantilist absolute monarchists in Smith’s days.

Adam Smith is as cherry-picked as the Bible. He was against government-sponsored monopolies like the British East India Company. He saw an active role for government to ensure that the markets worked for everyone’s benefit: workers as well as employers, producers and consumers, creditors and borrowers.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:48:49pm

re: #139 jaunte

There you have it.

So many of them would have been pledging how much they loved George III in 1776 because they love a good cult of personality.

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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:49:45pm

re: #143 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They love kissing ass if it means they can kick some.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:49:47pm

re: #143 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

So many of them would have been pledging how much they loved George III in 1776 because they love a good cult of personality.

Stability and clear respect for property rights.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:50:28pm

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Adam Smith is as cherry-picked as the Bible. He was against government-sponsored monopolies like the British East India Company. He saw an active role for government to ensure that the markets worked for everyone’s benefit: workers as well as employers, producers and consumers, creditors and borrowers.

Exactly. He wrote against a lot of the things that those who claim to be his adherents believe about government and economics.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:51:11pm

re: #143 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

So many of them would have been pledging how much they loved George III in 1776 because they love a good cult of personality.

I can’t remember off the top of my head, but was George already starting to lose his mind by the time of the revolution or was that later?

If he was that tracks with Trump support, since his cheese is clearly starting to fall off the cracker.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 1:55:08pm

re: #147 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

I can’t remember off the top of my head, but was George already starting to lose his mind by the time of the revolution or was that later?

If he was that tracks with Trump support, since his cheese is clearly starting to fall off the cracker.

Later. I think he started having the mental breakdown after the French Revolution. Interesting man tbh. First in his House (Hanover) who spoke English as a primary language. His grandfather and great grandfather- the first Georges were German speakers.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:04:52pm
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:07:10pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

I’d think that deal would have to put Trump in prison for the DOJ to be willing to make it.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:09:29pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

AFAIK, this referral goes to the US Attorney for the DC district. I don’t necessarily think they need to check in with the AG on whether or not to prosecute a case. I’m assuming Garland could take the initiative and tell the US attorney to not proceed, but I really don’t think they need to go to the AG about it themselves. I might be totally wrong about this.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:10:54pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

Lawrence et al. were talking about this last night. They decided that Bannon was probably hoping for a conviction with jail time, so he can play the martyr. He’s been pretty much out of the public eye for the last few years, and this would be a way to be noticed again.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:13:53pm

Grrr. Too late to correct “Merritt Garland. (Did I do that or was it autocorrect?)

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:14:04pm

re: #152 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Lawrence et al. were talking about this last night. They decided that Bannon was probably hoping for a conviction with jail time, so he can play the martyr. He’s been pretty much out of the public eye for the last few years, and this would be a way to be noticed again.

I doubt Bannon wants to spend time in jail at his age.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:19:50pm

re: #154 Belafon

I doubt Bannon wants to spend time in jail at his age.

Cutting him off from booze will not be a good experience for him.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:22:00pm
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Teddy's Person  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:22:06pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:23:18pm

I’d like to advise people of something as a legal professional but what’s happening with the Committee is a process. That’s what is happening here. I remember Rick Wilson saying that no contempt of Congress would happen and further I remember a lot of surefire that Pelosi wouldn’t move to impeach Trump. Bannon’s also not gonna win that executive privilege claim either.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:23:59pm

No way Bannon would go to prison for Trump. I just don’t see that happening. He’s much more likely to make a deal of some kind if it gets to that point.

Can he still agree to the subpoena and testify or is that option gone? If so, I think he might end up doing that, and then take the 5th.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:24:36pm

re: #156 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Remember when Barron then Rudy was going to advise on “Cyber.”

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:25:19pm
NEW YORK — The messages, written in Russian and shared on WhatsApp in October 2018, were celebratory.

“How is Washington?” Andrey Kukushkin asked in a message to an associate, Igor Fruman.

“Everything is great!!” Fruman wrote back. “We are taking over the country!!!!” Soon after, Fruman’s business partner, Lev Parnas, provided some evidence: a picture of himself, beaming as he stood between Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner.

Ex-Giuliani Ally Gained Easy Access to Trump’s Orbit, Texts Show (NYT via Yahoo!)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:27:38pm

re: #161 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Ex-Giuliani Ally Gained Easy Access to Trump’s Orbit, Texts Show (NYT via Yahoo!)

It all goes back to why he was impeached the first time. He wanted to be an autocrat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:29:21pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:32:12pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

Does Don Jr know that his brother from a North Korean mother who his Daddy shared beautiful love letters with is a Communist? Same thing with Xi who his father only turned against because he knew he’d get his base’s attention if he went full Anti Chinese bigot while ignoring the fact Trump enabled Xi’s shitty human rights record. Oh and the former KGB/CPUSSR member who Trump adores.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:32:50pm

Not one of those weird right-wing “Christian” “schools”. A public school district is acting like this in the 21st century.

School officials in Texas forced a 9-year-old boy to serve an in-school suspension for a month, deprived him of recess and normal lunch breaks, and banished him from campus to an alternative school — all to pressure the fourth-grader into getting a haircut, a new lawsuit says.

A Texas school district bans boys from wearing long hair. Now, some students are suing. (WaPo via MSN)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:34:26pm
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:34:29pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:35:30pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:36:01pm

re: #165 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Not one of those weird right-wing “Christian” “schools”. A public school district is acting like this in the 21st century.

A Texas school district bans boys from wearing long hair. Now, some students are suing. (WaPo via MSN)

That’s why I always contend that a lot of American conservatism is more reactionary than conservative. Like if they’re still getting mad about long haired boys? It’s dude. The 60’s were years ago. Not everyone wants to look like H.R. Haldeman. I like my hair a little longer especially when it’s colder out.

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Cheechako  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:37:35pm

Looks like everyone on the West and Northwest Coasts need to be prepared. Going to be a big time ending for the drought.

Multiple atmospheric rivers to bring massive precipitation to West Coast

The maps in the article are impressive.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:37:55pm

re: #154 Belafon

I doubt Bannon wants to spend time in jail at his age.

You’re assuming he really knows what it would mean. Would-be martyrs are often not that smart (consider the insurrectionists pre- and post-arrest).

Certainly if he had a good idea what it would be like, he’d want to avoid it.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:38:41pm

I think this might be what eventually happens after Bannon makes everybody dance around a little bit.

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jaunte  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:40:14pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:42:09pm

Can’t wait for the next McAuliffe ad to remind people in Virginia who Glenn Youngkin likes spending time with but then again after seeing his Soros dog whistle and refusal to condemn the Antisemitic crap that Speaker Filler-Corn and Del Helmer have been dealing with leads me to believe he probably enjoyed Breitbart’s articles about “Renegade Jews” and Steve throwing a shit fit about his kids being taught in a Jewish school. He’s made it clear that Antisemitism is cool because it’s what the GOP base wants.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:42:58pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:45:11pm

re: #173 jaunte

See ya on SVU Gaetz. Remember there’s two separate yet equally important systems. You’re in their stories.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:46:27pm

re: #153 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Grrr. Too late to correct “Merritt Garland. (Did I do that or was it autocorrect?)

It’s ALWAYS autocorrecting to MERRITT 🤬

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:47:19pm

re: #169 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s why I always contend that a lot of American conservatism is more reactionary than conservative. Like if they’re still getting mad about long haired boys? It’s dude. The 60’s were years ago. Not everyone wants to look like H.R. Haldeman. I like my hair a little longer especially when it’s colder out.

Signs - The Five Man Electrical Band 1971

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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:52:44pm

re: #178 Eclectic Cyborg

[Embedded content]

“Signs” was my song when I was five years old.

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wrenchwench  Oct 21, 2021 • 2:59:17pm

re: #179 A Three Hour Tour

“Signs” was my song when I was five years old.

Mine. 13.

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Jay C  Oct 21, 2021 • 3:01:15pm

re: #173 jaunte

Yeah: I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for anything out of “GOP Leader” McCarthy other than deflective bullshit. Or just plain bullshit.

Not only is Kevin apparently congenitally incapable of even the remotest criticism (still less serious sanctioning) of ANY member of his caucus: but it’s far more likely (IMO) that he’d just DARVO the whole thing and dismiss any accusations against Gaetz as a “political witch hunt” or something.

Maybe just my opinion, but AFAICR, Kevin McCarthy has to be one of the most useless House Leaders I can ever recall….

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 21, 2021 • 3:05:27pm

re: #176 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

See ya on SVU Gaetz. Remember there’s two separate yet equally important systems. You’re in their stories.

He’s already been on SVU — the first episode this season? But that guy had pretentions of running for president.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 21, 2021 • 3:22:42pm

re: #169 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s why I always contend that a lot of American conservatism is more reactionary than conservative. Like if they’re still getting mad about long haired boys? It’s dude. The 60’s were years ago. Not everyone wants to look like H.R. Haldeman. I like my hair a little longer especially when it’s colder out.

I’ve thought about going full jungle wild-man and not shaving or cutting my hair. Beards bother me in hot weather though.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 21, 2021 • 3:35:09pm

re: #182 Hecuba’s daughter

He’s already been on SVU — the first episode this season? But that guy had pretentions of running for president.

Ah! Missed it.


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