A Classic With Stellar Guitar Solos, by the Dukes of September: Hey Nineteen (Live)

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THE DUKES OF SEPTEMBER a super group comprised of pop/rock/R&B icons Donald Fagen (Steely Dan), Michael McDonald (Doobie Brothers) and Boz Scaggs release Live on DVD and Blu Ray to coincide with its PBS debut airing on Great Performances.
Filmed in November of 2012, It features the Dukes of Septembers dynamic rock and soul revue with not only showcasing their well-known hits such as Reelin in the Years, Lido Shuffle and Takin it to the Streets , but also forays into rock and R&B gems such as Sweet Soul Music and Love T.K.O.
Says the Hollywood Reporter: If this be minstrelsy, it s a pretty classy and irresistible version of it.

Listing of Musical Performances:
People Get Up and Drive Your Funky Soul
Whos That Lady?
Sweet Soul Music
I Keep Forgettin
Kid Charlegmagne
The Same Thing
Miss Sun
You Can Never Tell
What A Fool Believes
Hey Nineteen
Love T.K.O.
Peg
Lowdown
Takin It To The Streets
Reelin In The Years
Lido Shuffle
Pretzel Logic
Them Changes

#TheDukesofSeptember #SteelyDan #BozScaggs #TheDoobieBrothers

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259 comments
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 24, 2021 • 4:48:55pm

I’ve bought shipping supplies from these terrorists. NO MORE!

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2021 • 4:52:55pm

That is some truly fine Telecaster work going on up in there.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 24, 2021 • 4:53:06pm

JFC

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2021 • 4:55:26pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Estimated net worth of the Uihleins: $4 Billion.

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EstebanTornado1963  Oct 24, 2021 • 4:56:51pm

re: #3 The Pie Overlord!

How was the bullet delivered asshole?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 24, 2021 • 4:58:45pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Fascist sugar daddy Richard “Dick” Uihlein is first cousin to perennial liberal mega-donor Lynde Bradley Uihlein. Probably something like my family but filthy rich.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:11:53pm

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

When Bismarck was chancellor of Germany, he decried efforts to limit child work “Socialism” and “an attack on the dignity of labor.” Our reactionaries haven’t changed.

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:14:42pm

Twitter suspended the account of Indiana Rep. Jim Banks (R-IN) after the Republican congressman intentionally misgendered Assistant Secretary of Health Dr. Rachel Levine, the first transgender person to hold an office that requires a Senate confirmation,” NBC News reports.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:36:09pm

I fucking hate these doomsayers (you know he must be a Bernoid) even more than I hate Republicans.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:39:49pm

re: #10 The Pie Overlord!

I fucking hate these doomsayers (you know he must be a Bernoid) even more than I hate Republicans.

I mean, statistically speaking, they’re correct. They’re also discounting the fact that in this case, the party opposite the President is a fucking death cult that tried to overthrow the democratically elected administration by force this past January.

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darthstar  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:40:03pm

re: #10 The Pie Overlord!

I fucking hate these doomsayers (you know he must be a Bernoid) even more than I hate Republicans.

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Pass the two build back better bills and Biden’s popularity will be >60 before August.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:40:24pm

re: #3 The Pie Overlord!

Nothing is too low for these people. NOTHING.

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darthstar  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:43:07pm

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ckkatz  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:45:59pm

Well, I’m feeling mildly virtuous.

I chainsawed up a pile of old rotting fence rails. Then got out the 40 year old manual hedge clippers and started on some overgrown ornamental yew bushes. And finally got everything ready for yardwaste pickup Tuesday.

Next is to pay a bunch of end of the month bills. But, as one wag noted, paying bills just encourages them to send more.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:49:35pm

Gah. I don’t even like Alec Baldwin and the media is giving him a raw deal.

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:53:11pm

2021: At Serra Cross, Ventura, California

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:53:37pm

re: #16 Rightwingconspirator

Gah. I don’t even like Alec Baldwin and the media is giving him a raw deal.

The entire right and the usual suspects on the “left” are too. I’ve yet to hear from an actual reliable source and not 3rd hand someone who heard from some guy who saw Ferris Bueller pass out at 31 flavors, any thing about a walkout over safety concerns, a strike, or scab workers.

I’m not passing any sort of judgement of any kind until at least that info gets verified. Even if all that is correct, Alec Baldwin still doesn’t deserve the shit he’s getting from them about this.

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darthstar  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:54:47pm

re: #14 darthstar

I love that graphic because when I was a kid I used to love dot-to-dot puzzles and made hundreds of my own (on bookcovers, in margins, etc…) I’d tap out 50-100 dots then just connect them - made a really cool dragon on a Pee-chee folder once.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:56:32pm

re: #18 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

As near as I can tell, from all available objective sources, Alec Baldwin is essentially another victim in the whole process. He was just doing his job; he was handed a gun he was assured by multiple crew members and by the overall gun handling process was safe, he pulled the trigger, a woman died. I’m not his biggest fan, but everyone targeting him over this is just wrong. Period.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:56:50pm

Whoa I did not know this! I would have bought tickets!

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2021 • 5:59:35pm

re: #16 Rightwingconspirator

Gah. I don’t even like Alec Baldwin and the media is giving him a raw deal.

Same.

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ckkatz  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:01:52pm

Article discusses and names Members of Congress who participated in the Jan 6th planning.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:04:34pm

re: #23 ckkatz

Article discusses and names Members of Congress who participated in the Jan 6th planning.

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Big Badda Boom!

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:09:58pm

He thinks he can out-crazy every other candidate.

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Jay C  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:12:14pm

re: #20 Dopamine Fish

As near as I can tell, from all available objective sources, Alec Baldwin is essentially another victim in the whole process. He was just doing his job; he was handed a gun he was assured by multiple crew members and by the overall gun handling process was safe, he pulled the trigger, a woman died. I’m not his biggest fan, but everyone targeting him over this is just wrong. Period.

Agreed.
I’ve actually met Alec Baldwin (opinion spoiler: not overly impressed), but while I don’t think he’s quite as much the *victim* as the dead/wounded, he WAS also the producer of the film: I think some level of “institutional” responsibility for what goes on on set should apply. Kind of like how the captain of a ship has to bear the responsibility when it runs on the rocks - even if the drunken mate left the narcoleptic helmsman in charge with the nav chart turned upside down….
That said though, I agree that some (most, really) of the dumping on Baldwin over the “Rust” tragedy is - to say the least - misguided and inappropriate: where it isn’t (like Trump Jr’s in comment #3) just utterly disgusting.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:15:11pm

re: #26 Jay C

Yes. As producer, he has some responsibility in that he ostensibly had some say in hiring the (possibly non-union) handlers that ended up causing the tragic incident, and I agree he should be held to account for that. However, as the actor with the gun pulling the trigger, he was as much an innocent bystander as anybody. The industry has established procedures to ensure that actors who are untrained in the ways of firearms are able to safely handle them on the set, those procedures were violated in some way that has yet to be revealed, and someone died as a result.

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A Cranky One  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:17:24pm

re: #16 Rightwingconspirator

Gah. I don’t even like Alec Baldwin and the media is giving him a raw deal.

I don’t think Alec Baldwin is at fault in his role as actor.

However, as producer he has a responsibility to ensure a safe working environment. As I understand it, the preceeding staff walkout was in response to unsafe conditions. Their complaints weren’t addressed.

From that perspective he may be responsible.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:18:58pm

The things of nightmares

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:20:00pm

Rolling Stone:

“…The two sources, both of whom have been granted anonymity due to the ongoing investigation, describe participating in “dozens” of planning briefings ahead of that day when Trump supporters broke into the Capitol as his election loss to President Joe Biden was being certified.

“I remember Marjorie Taylor Greene specifically,” the organizer says. “I remember talking to probably close to a dozen other members at one point or another or their staffs.”
For the sake of clarity, we will refer to one of the sources as a rally organizer and the other as a planner. Rolling Stone has confirmed that both sources were involved in organizing the main event aimed at objecting to the electoral certification, which took place at the White House Ellipse on Jan. 6. Trump spoke at that rally and encouraged his supporters to march to the Capitol. Some members of the audience at the Ellipse began walking the mile and a half to the Capitol as Trump gave his speech. The barricades were stormed minutes before the former president concluded his remarks.

These two sources also helped plan a series of demonstrations that took place in multiple states around the country in the weeks between the election and the storming of the Capitol. According to these sources, multiple people associated with the March for Trump and Stop the Steal events that took place during this period communicated with members of Congress throughout this process.

Along with Greene, the conspiratorial pro-Trump Republican from Georgia who took office earlier this year, the pair both say the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).

“We would talk to Boebert’s team, Cawthorn’s team, Gosar’s team like back to back to back to back,” says the organizer. “

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darthstar  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:20:41pm

So the winds finally died down, but it’s raining like a motherfucker…but some of the parents on the street decided the lack of wind was excuse enough to wear the kids out before bed so they’re out in the street in their raincoats having a gay old time.

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Cheechako  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:21:51pm

re: #31 darthstar

So the winds finally died down, but it’s raining like a motherfucker…but some of the parents on the street decided the lack of wind was excuse enough to wear the kids out before bed so they’re out in the street in their raincoats having a gay old time.

Ah, the good ‘ol days.

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darthstar  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:22:57pm

re: #29 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

The things of nightmares

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Talk about 40lbs of mean in a 5lb bag…

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:24:07pm

re: #28 A Cranky One

I don’t think Alec Baldwin is at fault in his role as actor.

However, as producer he has a responsibility to ensure a safe working environment. As I understand it, the preceeding staff walkout was in response to unsafe conditions. Their complaints weren’t addressed.

From that perspective he may be responsible.

He may be in a chain of command way. Not sure if protocol told him to check the gun or to not mess with it and use it. But shit like that t shirt really annoys me.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:25:55pm

re: #34 Rightwingconspirator

He may be in a chain of command way. Not sure if protocol told him to check the gun or to not mess with it and use it. But shit like that t shirt really annoys me.

AFAICT, on set, protocol told him that the gun was safe and that he was supposed to just pick it up and use it. Actors are insulated from the mechanics of how guns work so that actors who don’t regularly use or own guns can still be assured that they’re safe.

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A Cranky One  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:27:48pm


Must have been listening to Yoko Ono again.
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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:29:10pm

My questions are like this.
Was that a live intact round fired on set? If so holy shit. Armorer fail. If not a regular live round, probable armorer fail. Was it a paper wad etc.? (Those get aimed and fired in safe ways NOT at people.)

Was the person that grabbed the gun and gave it to him even supposed to do that?

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:30:24pm

re: #35 Dopamine Fish

AFAICT, on set, protocol told him that the gun was safe and that he was supposed to just pick it up and use it. Actors are insulated from the mechanics of how guns work so that actors who don’t regularly use or own guns can still be assured that they’re safe.

I’ve been trying to get the actual rules to be sure, but I think you are exactly right.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:30:36pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:33:21pm
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Citizen K  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:34:19pm

And unfortunately, it seems like those same fights are ones that conservatives are winning handily, when Politico is seen, by our great arbiters, as ‘liberal’. Fucking Politico.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:35:25pm

They are slip slidin’ away in Santa Clara

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:37:29pm

The storms that have been so strong up north are not quite yet really in sight yet for Los Angeles.

Looking due west
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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:39:50pm

re: #26 Jay C

Agreed.
I’ve actually met Alec Baldwin (opinion spoiler: not overly impressed), but while I don’t think he’s quite as much the *victim* as the dead/wounded, he WAS also the producer of the film: I think some level of “institutional” responsibility for what goes on on set should apply. Kind of like how the captain of a ship has to bear the responsibility when it runs on the rocks - even if the drunken mate left the narcoleptic helmsman in charge with the nav chart turned upside down….
That said though, I agree that some (most, really) of the dumping on Baldwin over the “Rust” tragedy is - to say the least - misguided and inappropriate: where it isn’t (like Trump Jr’s in comment #3) just utterly disgusting.

He wasn’t THE producer, he was one of twelve, per IMDB. Two of them (not he) are executive producers. I don’t know how these things are done in the movie business, in theatre being a producer means you put up some of the money to get it done. So did he actually have any authority over how things were run? Even as one of the twelve? Dunno.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:41:30pm
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JOE 🥓  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:44:06pm

re: #25 The Pie Overlord!

He thinks he can out-crazy every other candidate.

Ohio is stupid enough to send that asshole to the Senate.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:46:15pm
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jaunte  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:47:58pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:48:40pm

Link to get past the paywall: wapo.st

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:52:42pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:56:10pm
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sagehen  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:58:36pm

re: #16 Rightwingconspirator

Gah. I don’t even like Alec Baldwin and the media is giving him a raw deal.

I dunno… as the producer and star, it’s on him that the complaints of union crew were discounted, and it’s on him that they were replaced by unqualified non-union crew.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:59:00pm
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plansbandc  Oct 24, 2021 • 6:59:10pm

re: #51 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Fantastic! My fave from childhood and my scariest movie of all time. What a mashup.

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ckkatz  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:00:07pm

Some just never have any chance in life:

3 Children Found Abandoned, Skeletal Remains of 4th in Houston House of Horrors

Houston cops carrying out a welfare check on an apartment found a nightmare: three siblings abandoned and living with the skeletal remains of a fourth.

“A very horrific situation out here, very tragic,” Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said at a Sunday press conference. “I’ve been in this business a long time and I had never heard of a scenario like this. It really caught me by surprise.”

The surviving children were ages 15, 10, and 7, and they had been living in “deplorable conditions” for “quite a long time,” Gonzalez said. Asked whether he meant weeks, the sheriff said the kids were on their own for a much longer period of time.

news.yahoo.com

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:00:51pm
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Belafon  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:02:02pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:04:28pm

re: #54 plansbandc

Fantastic! My fave from childhood and my scariest movie of all time. What a mashup.

LOL
The Island of Misfit Toys

They Live and Peanuts

Evil Dead Scooby

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ckkatz  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:05:56pm

Shocking clip shows worrying spiking injection ‘epidemic’ sweeping UK

An alarming number of women are reporting being “spiked by a needle” in a worrying epidemic sweeping the UK.

British police have received hundreds of reports of drink-spiking in the past two months with many more appearing on social media as women bravely share their stories to warn others.

Many of the alleged attacks involve terrifying accounts of women being pricked by a needle while at a bar or nightclub and quickly being left in “paralysed” states.

nzherald.co.nz

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:09:07pm

re: #59 ckkatz

Shocking clip shows worrying spiking injection ‘epidemic’ sweeping UK

nzherald.co.nz

Sounds like the Needles in the Ball Pit urban legend.

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William Lewis  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:22:34pm

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ckkatz  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:22:35pm

re: #60 The Pie Overlord!

Sounds like the Needles in the Ball Pit urban legend.

I guess that we can only hope that it is not a real thing and only performative jackholery (technical term).

Of course being a rather geezerly guy who doesn’t go clubbing in the UK, I am nowhere near any possible targeted group anyway.

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:24:40pm

re: #56 jaunte

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Be that guy

From the rolling stone article

Along with (Marjorie Taylor) Greene, the conspiratorial pro-Trump Republican from Georgia who took office earlier this year, the pair both say the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:25:18pm

re: #61 William Lewis

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Then I’ma eat something rich

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plansbandc  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:27:03pm

Lots of editing, but the pic of Denver is still very pretty…

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:27:55pm

re: #63 Dangerman

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ckkatz  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:29:07pm

re: #35 Dopamine Fish

AFAICT, on set, protocol told him that the gun was safe and that he was supposed to just pick it up and use it. Actors are insulated from the mechanics of how guns work so that actors who don’t regularly use or own guns can still be assured that they’re safe.

Not ranting at Dopamine Fish here. (Who, I suspect, already knows all of this.) Just using his very good post as a starting point and soapbox.

Obviously, I am not an actor. Nor am I familiar with the rules of firearms handling in that environment.

But the whole idea that the shooter was not responsible frosts my pumpkin.

Every bit of my firearms training states explicitly that I am fully responsible for knowing the state of and for the proper use of any firearm that I am handling. The “I did not know it was loaded” just does not cut it.

In my experience, you do not load a firearm until you are ready to use it. You do not chamber a round until you are ready to shoot. You only disengage the safety as the final step to shooting. You do not point the weapon at anything or anybody that you are not intending to put a hole into. And your finger does not go onto the trigger until you are fully intending to shoot.

As Stonekettle has said and I agree with “There are no accidental discharges, only negligent discharges”.

And that includes where the firearm has a mechanical misfunction that causes a discharge. (Worn sear or trigger, frozen firing pin, broken safety, etc)

In the civilian world, I have seen incidents of unsafe handling on shooting ranges by several friends. And I never went shooting with any of them again.

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EstebanTornado1963  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:35:19pm

re: #60 The Pie Overlord!

Very fine people.

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:36:51pm
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BeachDem  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:37:56pm

re: #25 The Pie Overlord!

He thinks he can out-crazy every other candidate.

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And he’s not wrong (although JD Vance is giving him some stiff competition.)

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:44:05pm

re: #67 Dangerman

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Cawthorn
Now note the dates

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ckkatz  Oct 24, 2021 • 7:59:11pm

re: #70 Dangerman

The tweet thread that you linked to really puts a lot together. I am planning on going through in more detail in a bit. Thank you for posting this!

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SerialUpDinger  Oct 24, 2021 • 8:05:36pm

Poison Oak Berries

Look closely and you might agree that the berries look like juvenile widow spiders. One of the berries has been bruised and is openly showing the Urushiol oil that is the bane of many a human.

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ckkatz  Oct 24, 2021 • 8:10:07pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 24, 2021 • 8:33:22pm

re: #74 SerialUpDinger

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Look closely and you might agree that the berries look like juvenile widow spiders. One of the berries has been bruised and is openly showing the Urushiol oil that is the bane of many a human.

… or little pumpkins.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 24, 2021 • 8:37:22pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 24, 2021 • 8:48:51pm

John Oliver did a short segment at the top of tonight’s show about cops not getting the vax. It’s a mic drop. (watch and you will get the reference).

The main story is about Taiwan. Worth a look.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 24, 2021 • 8:49:28pm

6.03” for the rain this week, more than we had all last year.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 24, 2021 • 9:28:27pm

We need the rain and ESPECIALLY the snow. Saw the pictures of California lakes drying up.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 24, 2021 • 9:29:44pm

re: #79 Dread Pirate Ron

6.03” for the rain this week, more than we had all last year.

It’s been raining all day in the Chicago metropolitan area — we now have accumulated precipitation of 1.6”.

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retired cynic  Oct 24, 2021 • 9:31:16pm

re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter

Wind and rain and wind and rain all day here, about an hour north of St Louis in the western IL bulge. No tornadoes, and not really strong winds, but enough to get on your nerves.

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2021 • 9:50:46pm

to increase options to evacuees, the Biden administration is launching a program that would allow veterans with ties to Afghans, as well as others, the opportunity to bring them to their cities and serve as a support network as they get their lives started in the US

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 24, 2021 • 10:19:57pm

re: #83 Belafon

Our synagogue announced Friday that it is establishing a group to help an Afghan family settle in the Chicago area.

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sagehen  Oct 24, 2021 • 10:20:01pm

re: #30 jaunte

Rolling Stone:

I sure hope Rolling Stone dotted their i’s and crossed their t’s on this one, after how badly they fucked up that frat-house rape story a couple years back….

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 24, 2021 • 10:20:52pm

Heavy rain coming…

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 24, 2021 • 10:35:14pm

re: #85 sagehen

I sure hope Rolling Stone dotted their i’s and crossed their t’s on this one, after how badly they fucked up that frat-house rape story a couple years back….

It was an epic disaster.

A Rape on Campus

In light of the findings, Erik Wemple of The Washington Post pronounced the story “a complete crock”. In the Columbia Journalism Review, Bill Grueskin called the story “a mess—thinly sourced, full of erroneous assumptions, and plagued by gaping holes in the reporting”. The Columbia Journalism Review called the story “this year’s media-fail sweepstakes” and the Poynter Institute named it as the “Error of the Year” in journalism.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 24, 2021 • 10:36:02pm

re: #86 Dread Pirate Ron

Heavy rain coming…

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But it looks like the winds have mostly died down. I have a couple of spots that leak when the wind blows the rain at them (and I can’t figure out where exactly the leak is), so I worry about wind, not rain.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2021 • 10:50:00pm

re: #52 sagehen

I dunno… as the producer and star, it’s on him that the complaints of union crew were discounted, and it’s on him that they were replaced by unqualified non-union crew.

The word ‘scab’ should get more circulation, imho.

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gwangung  Oct 24, 2021 • 11:06:10pm

re: #52 sagehen

I dunno… as the producer and star, it’s on him that the complaints of union crew were discounted, and it’s on him that they were replaced by unqualified non-union crew.

Hm, as an actor, I think he DID have that power to say “Stop! This is not safe!” and a star is more likely to be heeded.

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William Lewis  Oct 24, 2021 • 11:15:24pm

re: #90 gwangung

Hm, as an actor, I think he DID have that power to say “Stop! This is not safe!” and a star is more likely to be heeded.

Yes, but if handed something and told “cold” and then expected to do a scene? Don’t much care for him but this is not his error.

I had an LT come down to my arms room in 1984 in Germany. It was payday (cash payroll was still done then) and so he had to have a pistol with a full mag but not a chambered round. I put the mag in, put the pistol in front of him and said “Here is your loaded pistol”. He racked the pistol and pulled the trigger sending a .45 bullet bouncing around the room. I was unamused but no one was injured. Eventually he was unable to be promoted.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 24, 2021 • 11:54:34pm

The volcano has changed its appearance with new magma flows out of new areas in the cinder cone.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 24, 2021 • 11:56:19pm

re: #91 William Lewis

Yes, but if handed something and told “cold” and then expected to do a scene? Don’t much care for him but this is not his error.

I had an LT come down to my arms room in 1984 in Germany. It was payday (cash payroll was still done then) and so he had to have a pistol with a full mag but not a chambered round. I put the mag in, put the pistol in front of him and said “Here is your loaded pistol”. He racked the pistol and pulled the trigger sending a .45 bullet bouncing around the room. I was unamused but no one was injured. Eventually he was unable to be promoted.

How much does Baldwin actually know about guns? If he’s not a gun owner and never been trained in the use of real guns, there’s no reason to expect that he would have any particular familiarity with the procedures of handling weapons. All he might know is the few steps needed for his scenes. These aren’t supposed to be live guns.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 25, 2021 • 12:07:52am

In the annals of the continuing Republican genocide:

Gov. Ron DeSantis Offers Bonuses To Anti-Vax Cops To Come Work In Florida (Huffington Post)

Floridians will be paying $5,000 for each anti-vax cop who takes a job in Florida.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 25, 2021 • 12:14:01am

The National Hurricane Center is unsure why Hurricane Rick did not intensify into a major hurricane, since all the conditions were right for that.

Nevertheless, Hurricane Rick should cross the coastline of Mexico in the early morning. Because the storm did not intensify as expected, it is now not expected to make it up to the Texas Big Bend area, instead raining out by Tuesday evening.

Hurricane Rick Intermediate Advisory Number 11A
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP172021
100 AM CDT Mon Oct 25 2021

…AIR FORCE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT FINDS RICK SLIGHTLY
STRONGER…
…STRONG GUSTY WINDS AND HEAVY RAINS SPREADING ACROSS THE COASTAL
WARNING AREAS OF SOUTHERN MEXICO…

SUMMARY OF 100 AM CDT…0600 UTC…INFORMATION
———————————————————————
LOCATION…17.2N 101.7W
ABOUT 35 MI…55 KM S OF ZIHUATANEJO MEXICO
ABOUT 65 MI…105 KM SSE OF LAZARO CARDENAS MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS…100 MPH…155 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT…N OR 360 DEGREES AT 6 MPH…9 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE…977 MB…28.85 INCHES

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 25, 2021 • 12:20:34am

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

In the annals of the continuing Republican genocide:

Gov. Ron DeSantis Offers Bonuses To Anti-Vax Cops To Come Work In Florida (Huffington Post)

Floridians will be paying $5,000 for each anti-vax cop who takes a job in Florida.

Speaking of other Republican genocidaires:

A Democratic state senator suffering from cancer ordered Florida’s controversial Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo out of her office earlier this week when he and his aides refused to wear face masks to help stop the spread of COVID-19.

Ladapo was making the rounds of senators’ offices in Tallahassee to court their votes for confirmation as the state’s top public health official.

“I told him I had a serious medical condition,” state Sen. Tina Polsky, who will begin radiation therapy for breast cancer next week, told Florida Politics.

When she asked him why he refused to take precautions against spreading COVID recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Ladapo “just smiles and doesn’t answer. He’s very smug,” recounted Polsky, who represents sections of Palm Beach and Broward counties.

As he finally agreed to exit her office, Polsky said Ladapo turned to her and said: “Sometimes I try to reason with unreasonable people for fun.”

(more)

huffpost.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 25, 2021 • 12:56:19am

Never was much into Chopin, but pianists do seem to really grok his work:

Emotions at the Keyboard || Frederic Chopin

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 12:59:48am

re: #8 jaunte

When Bismarck was chancellor of Germany, he decried efforts to limit child work “Socialism” and “an attack on the dignity of labor.” Our reactionaries haven’t changed.

…at the same time, he instituted Europe’s first state pensions and health insurance because he wanted to undermine the Socialist platform.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 1:01:06am

re: #20 Dopamine Fish

As near as I can tell, from all available objective sources, Alec Baldwin is essentially another victim in the whole process. He was just doing his job; he was handed a gun he was assured by multiple crew members and by the overall gun handling process was safe, he pulled the trigger, a woman died. I’m not his biggest fan, but everyone targeting him over this is just wrong. Period.

fame is a fickle bitch…especially with the climate of public discourse we have today

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 1:05:27am

re: #47 jaunte

They thought they would get away with it because the president of the United States told them he was going with them. But what he meant was, “I’m going to go watch you on cable and then pardon you all.” And he would have if had worked.

I rarely watched any Trump speech, but I remember tuning that speech in at the moment he said that he would join the protesters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 1:08:56am

re: #75 ckkatz

“If we lose democracy, we will never get it back.”

not without a long, hard struggle

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 1:11:49am

you can have the thread back, I gotta get to work here soon…

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2021 • 1:43:30am

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They thought they would get away with it because the president of the United States told them he was going with them. But what he meant was, “I’m going to go watch you on cable and then pardon you all.” And he would have if had worked.

I rarely watched any Trump speech, but I remember tuning that speech in at the moment he said that he would join the protesters.

It was somebody’s analysis (Stonekettle? Beau? can’t remember now) that if he had indeed gone with them, it in fact would have succeeded, because the defenders wouldn’t have been so physically defensive against a group led by the President.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 25, 2021 • 1:53:11am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 25, 2021 • 2:06:57am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 25, 2021 • 2:20:37am

Standing up to liars needs to happen more often. (1:35)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 2:21:33am

re: #103 sagehen

It was somebody’s analysis (Stonekettle? Beau? can’t remember now) that if he had indeed gone with them, it in fact would have succeeded, because the defenders wouldn’t have been so physically defensive against a group led by the President.

The excuse floated for him going home to watch TV was that the “Secret Service would never have allowed it”

Which is probably true

Which Trump was fucking aware of when he made the statement.

Which indicates that he never intended to go along in the first place but knew what the protesters needed to hear in order to to do what he wanted them to do, which is pretty much the reason he says anything…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 25, 2021 • 2:25:15am

Looks like central California is getting the soaking so needed and that the mountains are getting a good bit of snow:

It’s supposed to wind its way down here to the corner sometime today, but at its current pace the front won’t be here till late at night. Precip amounts down here will be barely measurable.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 25, 2021 • 2:25:26am

I’m off to bed. My wife needs to go to the doc tomorrow, after which we’re going to try to get the Moderna booster shot. (PPHD says they are available, and CDC changes to the high-risk conditions now add me in. Only Moderna is available because we still have no infrastructure here for storing the Pfizer vaccine.)

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2021 • 2:30:20am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The excuse floated for him going home to watch TV was that the “Secret Service would never have allowed it”

Which is probably true

I’ve watched enough West Wing, and heard Pence’s description of his movements on 1/6, to understand that “the Secret Service would have vehemently recommended, the Secret Service would have tried very hard to be persuasive, the Secret Service would have been very unhappy” doesn’t actually in real life mean “the Secret Service would never have allowed it.”

If a protectee is really truly determined to defy the Secret Service’s wishes… well, they’re prepared to be the physical wall that takes bullets first, and y’know there’s a whole line of succession if it comes to it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 2:38:46am

re: #110 sagehen

In any case, Trump had no intention of going along with the marchers, heck, he would have needed someone to carry him up the Capitol steps when he got winded…

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The Squire of Logos  Oct 25, 2021 • 3:03:04am

One of the many things I love about LGF is the various music finds by our host. The Dukes of September is a good example of something that passed right by me without so much as a “hey, dig this concert!”. Cool songs, great musicianship and it’s available on Blu-ray! Thanks Charles!

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steve_davis  Oct 25, 2021 • 3:44:23am

re: #68 ckkatz

Not ranting at Dopamine Fish here. (Who, I suspect, already knows all of this.) Just using his very good post as a starting point and soapbox.

Obviously, I am not an actor. Nor am I familiar with the rules of firearms handling in that environment.

But the whole idea that the shooter was not responsible frosts my pumpkin.

Every bit of my firearms training states explicitly that I am fully responsible for knowing the state of and for the proper use of any firearm that I am handling. The “I did not know it was loaded” just does not cut it.

In my experience, you do not load a firearm until you are ready to use it. You do not chamber a round until you are ready to shoot. You only disengage the safety as the final step to shooting. You do not point the weapon at anything or anybody that you are not intending to put a hole into. And your finger does not go onto the trigger until you are fully intending to shoot.

As Stonekettle has said and I agree with “There are no accidental discharges, only negligent discharges”.

And that includes where the firearm has a mechanical misfunction that causes a discharge. (Worn sear or trigger, frozen firing pin, broken safety, etc)

In the civilian world, I have seen incidents of unsafe handling on shooting ranges by several friends. And I never went shooting with any of them again.

The actor is not the shooter. They are just the surrogate. The shooter is the person who is being paid to create the shot, safely.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 3:50:23am

re: #113 steve_davis

The actor is not the shooter. They are just the surrogate. The shooter is the person who is being paid to create the shot, safely.

Baldwin was also the producer, which also adds a new layer of responsibility to his actions.

Team America was truly visionary…

Team America: Alec Baldwin is worthless

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 25, 2021 • 3:57:39am

A short video about Austria that might apply to the US too:

Why we should be talking about the current political crisis in Austria


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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:03:31am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The excuse floated for him going home to watch TV was that the “Secret Service would never have allowed it”

Which is probably true

Which Trump was fucking aware of when he made the statement.

Which indicates that he never intended to go along in the first place but knew what the protesters needed to hear in order to to do what he wanted them to do, which is pretty much the reason he says anything…

who wrote that line of that speech?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:03:51am
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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:09:03am
Said Trump: “What good is it if FOX News speaks well of me when they continually allow horrible and untruthful anti-Trump commercials to be run—and plenty of them. In the good old days, that would never have happened and today it happens all of the time.”

doesnt understand how any of this works
(right now fox makes more off of anti-trump ads, than from trump himself)

plus “if you dont say good things about me, it’s fake”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:11:14am

re: #116 Dangerman

who wrote that line of that speech?

I am sure that he just came up with it on the spot, as is the case with most of what exudes from his pie hole

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:12:10am

re: #118 Dangerman

doesnt understand how any of this works
(right now fox makes more off of anti-trump ads, than from trump himself)

plus “if you dont say good things about me, it’s fake”

It’s all about making money, unless it is about him…

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:25:14am
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said that he is looking to enact legislation that will provide a $5,000 bonus to police officers to relocate to Florida, where they can avoid vaccine mandates, The Hill reports.

Australia has a population of 25.6 million
Australia has only about 1500 deaths - total.
Florida has 40 times the number of deaths as Australia
Florida has a population of 21.5 million - 4 million fewer than Australia.

so definitely invite the unvaccinated to ‘protect and serve’

more like infect and surge

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No Malarkey!  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:25:27am

re: #113 steve_davis

The actor is not the shooter. They are just the surrogate. The shooter is the person who is being paid to create the shot, safely.

Its time to ban the use of guns that can fire in movies. You can create gunfire through special effects.

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No Malarkey!  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:32:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:33:16am

re: #122 No Malarkey!

Its time to ban the use of guns that can fire in movies. You can create gunfire through special effects.

there are fucking blank pistols that have an obstruction in the barrel that make it impossible for them to fire a projectile…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:34:08am

re: #121 Dangerman

Australia has a population of 25.6 million
Australia has only about 1500 deaths - total.
Florida has 40 times the number of deaths as Australia
Florida has a population of 21.5 million - 4 million fewer than Australia.

so definitely invite the unvaccinated to ‘protect and serve’

more like infect and surge

Shouldn’t we be invading Florida or something?

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:38:08am
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No Malarkey!  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:38:38am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Shouldn’t we be invading Florida or something?

That is why DeathSantis is recruiting anti-vaxxer cops.

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No Malarkey!  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:39:52am
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Teukka  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:43:31am

re: #122 No Malarkey!

Its time to ban the use of guns that can fire in movies. You can create gunfire through special effects.

Indeed. And you can create the recoil effect with the use of a solenoid embedded in the prop gun.

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No Malarkey!  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:46:39am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there are fucking blank pistols that have an obstruction in the barrel that make it impossible for them to fire a projectile…

Then there is absolutely no excuse for what happened.

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2021 • 4:47:16am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Shouldn’t we be invading Florida or something?

help us obi wan kenobi
you’re our only hope

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 5:03:19am

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 5:49:54am
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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 5:50:26am
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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 5:57:24am

I haven’t heard this:

New variant:

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 5:58:54am
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No Malarkey!  Oct 25, 2021 • 6:04:15am

Americans living abroad think the U.S. government should make sure they can get vaccinated in countries where vaccine access is limited for the locals. news.yahoo.com

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 6:04:32am
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Teukka  Oct 25, 2021 • 6:05:46am

Okay, so y’all Dune fans here, is this proper Sietchposting? 🤔

Sacred Sardaukar Chant

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2021 • 6:06:20am

re: #133 Belafon

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Want more? Vote blue!

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jeffreyw  Oct 25, 2021 • 6:12:55am

Thank you! You’ve been great! I’ll be here all week.

Good morning!

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No Malarkey!  Oct 25, 2021 • 6:16:09am

re: #140 Dangerman

Want more? Vote blue!

Be mad all you want at Manchin and Sinema, but if we had elected Democratic Senators in NC and Maine, they wouldn’t matter. Elections have consequences. I’m thinking about the miracle of January 5th when Georgia sent two Democratic Senators to Congress, without whom we would be getting absolutely nothing except investigations of Hunter Biden.

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2021 • 6:32:43am

re: #142 No Malarkey!

Be mad all you want at Manchin and Sinema, but if we had elected Democratic Senators in NC and Maine, they wouldn’t matter. Elections have consequences. I’m thinking about the miracle of January 5th when Georgia sent two Democratic Senators to Congress, without whom we would be getting absolutely nothing except investigations of Hunter Biden.

All true

Now if you’re disappointed currently and looking at 2022, what gets you closer?

More blue..who are trying
Or red

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2021 • 6:35:13am

re: #40 The Pie Overlord!

This ain’t exactly gonna be a slow news Monday…

The organizer claims the pair received “several assurances” about the “blanket pardon” from Gosar.

“I was just going over the list of pardons and we just wanted to tell you guys how much we appreciate all the hard work you’ve been doing,” Gosar said, according to the organizer.

The rally planner describes the pardon as being offered while “encouraging” the staging of protests against the election. While the organizer says they did not get involved in planning the rallies solely due to the pardon, they were upset that it ultimately did not materialize.

“I would have done it either way with or without the pardon,” the organizer says. “I do truly believe in this country, but to use something like that and put that out on the table when someone is so desperate, it’s really not good business.”

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A Mom Anon  Oct 25, 2021 • 6:41:54am

re: #142 No Malarkey!

Raphael Warnock is up for election in 2022 since he won a run off to replace Johnny Isakson in 2021. So far the GOP hasn’t figured out who they’re going to run against him. I’m sure they will pick someone as awful as possible. We have got to get GA voters out there to vote in 2022 or we will end up losing that seat.

Dems here are also proposing a new district map which would even out the number of districts so the Dems and gop have the same number of majority districts. It’s a good idea and beyond past time to get done, but the GOP is going to fight it and publicly lie about and trash it. The GA GOP is just awful, they really do not care who gets hurt as long as they keep power here.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 6:52:05am
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darthstar  Oct 25, 2021 • 6:59:43am

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mmmirele  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:01:24am

That “Fuck you Biden” thing—I got a little spicy with my brother over that. He brought it up, though.

I went protesting yesterday at Apologia Church Cult. I used my car as a billboard. Twenty minutes after the picture of the church lawn was taken, I had over two dozen people on the lawn, several arguing with me.

These people are exhausting. They want to argue argue argue argue argue. I finally told them that I would rather go to hell than worship their teeny tiny Calvinist god. Yes, I was being insulting. Yes, it was extremely deliberate. But their “pastor” wants to execute women for having abortions and he talked Ron Watkins (likely the last and most prolific QAnon) into running for office. Oh, and they also want to pray with/for me. Not interested in that, either.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:06:12am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Baldwin was also the producer, which also adds a new layer of responsibility to his actions.

Team America was truly visionary…

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As I already mentioned, not THE producer, one of twelve, and not an executive producer (they’re the top bosses).

Also, the internetz tell me that producers do the financing, but do not necessarily have control of what happens on set, or who is hired to work there — that’s often the job of the director.

So it’s time to stop piling on Alec Baldwin. At least until we have a few facts to play with. Even then, his overall responsibility, if any, is shared with eleven other people.

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No Malarkey!  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:16:14am

Because people like you are fascist criminals, and Hillary, the most investigated woman in the world, is innocent.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:17:49am

re: #145 A Mom Anon

Raphael Warnock is up for election in 2022 since he won a run off to replace Johnny Isakson in 2021. So far the GOP hasn’t figured out who they’re going to run against him. I’m sure they will pick someone as awful as possible.

Who will no doubt make all kinds of coded racist statements about Warnock.

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No Malarkey!  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:19:07am

re: #151 Eclectic Cyborg

Who will no doubt make all kinds of coded racist statements about Warnock.

Crossing my fingers and hoping the GQP nominee is Marjorie 3 names.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:19:29am

re: #149 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Also, the internetz tell me that producers do the financing, but do not necessarily have control of what happens on set, or who is hired to work there — that’s often the job of the director.

Sometimes a producer might not even be on set very much if it all. Think of a company owner with multiple stores in an area who might only spend one day a week in any specific store. He has managers and assistant managers and team leads to handle the meat and potatoes of the day-to-day for each store.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:30:29am

re: #146 Belafon

The conservatives being super edgy, with a thing that means “Fuck, you Biden” (Don’t ask). Meanwhile beware of some libs boo their reality star God emperor.

They like to hide behind slogans like this that give them room for denial, just like they like to hide behind Pepe the Frog, White Power finger gestures, slogans like “All Lives Matter” or insist that the Confederate Flag is all about “culture and heritage” (especially the ones from Wisconsin or Iowa)…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:31:28am

re: #149 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

So it’s time to stop piling on Alec Baldwin. At least until we have a few facts to play with. Even then, his overall responsibility, if any, is shared with eleven other people.

He is still useless

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:32:14am

re: #136 Belafon

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Do you want antivaxxers teaching your children?

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:32:16am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is still useless

Not as useless as most of us here not making pies or running the website.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:33:57am

re: #150 No Malarkey!

Cowboys for Trump founder Couy Griffin blasted Trump at the QAnon conference today. He said Trump promised he would lock up Hillary, but “at the end of your 4 year time, the only ones locked up were men like me, and others like me, that have stood by the president the strongest

It always seems like good news when the extreme right start turning on each other but I have found that in our topsy-turvy New Media Reality that by ramping up the crayzee, they just wind up making themselves more acceptable and mainstream…don’t know how they do it, but they still come out ahead.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:37:50am

re: #141 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

Christmas berries already? It’s not even Halloween!

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:41:48am

48 hours until my first colonoscopy.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:43:54am

re: #157 Belafon

Not as useless as most of us here not making pies or running the website.

HEY! I made candles this weekend. :-)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:46:58am

Looks like Marky Mark might be in for a rough week…

Via NBC:

The Facebook Papers, a series of articles published by a consortium of 17 U.S. news outlets beginning Friday, shed new light on the company’s thinking behind its actions leading up to the Capitol insurrection on Jan. 6 and its ability to fend off hate speech in languages outside of English.

Facebook shares were slightly negative in early trading Monday after the news outlets published their stories based on the leaked documents. The company is also scheduled to report quarterly earnings after markets close Monday.

The documents were provided to the news outlets by Frances Haugen, a former Facebook employee who took tens of thousands of pages of internal research with her before she left. She’s since provided those documents to Congress and the Securities and Exchange Commission, seeking whistleblower status.

“At the heart of these stories is a premise which is false,” a Facebook spokesperson said in a statement in response to the flood of reporting. “Yes, we’re a business and we make profit, but the idea that we do so at the expense of people’s safety or wellbeing misunderstands where our own commercial interests lie. The truth is we’ve invested $13 billion and have over 40,000 people to do one job: keep people safe on Facebook.”

Hahahahahahahahahahaha *gasp*…hahahahahahahaha!

I swear FB has some of the most tone deaf spokespeople of any major company.

Full story here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:48:13am

re: #157 Belafon

Not as useless as most of us here not making pies or running the website.

I had tours on Friday and Saturday and some translation work today but am generally undermotivated the rest of the time. But I have not accidentally shot anyone recently…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:48:44am
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:50:25am

re: #146 Belafon

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I know those guys. Not THOSE guys, but guys exactly like those.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:50:50am

re: #164 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Zuckerberg thought pushing out a spanish language edition of FB’s “voting information center” on WhatsApp was not “politically neutral.”

Just like it is assumed that “Flyover state = Red state”, it is assumed that “Spanish-speaking voter = Blue voter”

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:53:11am

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

Sometimes a producer might not even be on set very much if it all. Think of a company owner with multiple stores in an area who might only spend one day a week in any specific store. He has managers and assistant managers and team leads to handle the meat and potatoes of the day-to-day for each store.

Certainly the other eleven don’t seem to have been there the day the shot was fired.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:54:04am

More Covid loan shenanigans:

Vinath Oudomsine, from Dublin, Georgia, has been accused by federal prosecutors of fraudulently applying for an Economic Injury Disaster Loan (EIDL). The man claimed to be running a business, but reportedly spent most of the money on a rare Pokémon card instead.

As The Telegraph reports, Oudomsine is accused by authorities of applying for the loan last year, claiming he was running a small business that employed ten other people. The loans, which were available nationally and resulted in the government lending over $200 billion to American businesses, were designed to help cover the costs of “payroll, rent/mortgage, utilities, and other ordinary business expenses,” during the worst months of the pandemic.

He was successful and was given $85,000. The only problem was that prosecutors allege he had no such business, and instead spent the bulk of the loan amount—$57,789—on a single Pokémon card.

At least in this case, the dude has been charged with wire fraud and is facing 20 years in prison, so there MIGHT be some justice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:54:22am

re: #167 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Certainly the other eleven don’t seem to have been there the day the shot was fired.

Still, if they are investing, it should be in their own interest to know that things are not going to be disrupted by preventable misfortunes like a shooting…

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:55:00am

We have boxes of old Pokemon cards. Hmmmmmmmm……

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No Malarkey!  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:55:11am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Zuckerberg thought pushing out a spanish language edition of FB’s “voting information center” on WhatsApp was not “politically neutral.”

Just like it is assumed that “Flyover state = Red state” it is assumed that “Spanish-speaking voter = Blue voter”

Pretty racist of him.

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JOE 🥓  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:55:32am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:58:28am

re: #171 No Malarkey!

Pretty racist of him.

GOP loves getting blacks/Latinos to sit behind Trump at his rallies…

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 25, 2021 • 7:58:29am

re: #169 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Still, if they are investing, it should be in their own interest to know that things are not going to be disrupted by preventable misfortunes like a shooting…

How?

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:02:20am

re: #160 Belafon

48 hours until my first colonoscopy.

Weird. The number of hours disappeared. I edited it.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:04:11am

re: #175 Belafon

Weird. The number of hours disappeared. I edited it.

Good luck. I had a benign polyp clipped and as a result was told that I now should get checked every 5 years instead of 10 and, checking calendar…oh my, it’s that time again.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:04:49am

re: #174 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

How?

By hiring competent, trained (union) personnel, that seems to be an issue in this incident.

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:18:39am

re: #150 No Malarkey!

Because people like you are fascist criminals, and Hillary, the most investigated woman in the world, is innocent.

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also because tfg is an inveterate liar and .:. ETTD

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:21:32am

re: #171 No Malarkey!

Just like it is assumed that “Flyover state = Red state” it is assumed that “Spanish-speaking voter = Blue voter”

Pretty racist of him.

I mentioned earlier that a lot of Latino voters are churchgoing, family-oriented people, which would seem to make them receptive to Conservative politics, but there are some, er, “problems” there…

For starters, they are Catholic, which makes them acceptable but still not “correct”.

And their idea of “family values” involves strong communities: that means strong public institutions, services and schools to help families make a better life for their children.

GOP Family Values are all about banning gay marriage and abortion and sex education while privatizing everything in sight, including schools and other community services…

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:26:48am

re: #122 No Malarkey!

Its time to ban the use of guns that can fire in movies. You can create gunfire through special effects.

There needs to be greater attention paid when firearms are involved in a scene. The legendary shootout scene in Heat (one of the greatest ever put to film, IMHO) is an example of it done right. No one was killed or injured.

Heat (1995) Full Bank Robbery Shootout HD Scene

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:27:40am

re: #164 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

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The Verge: “Teenage users of the Facebook app in the US had declined by 13 percent since 2019 and were projected to drop 45 percent over the next two years, driving an overall decline in daily users in the company’s most lucrative ad market. Young adults between the ages of 20 and 30 were expected to decline by 4 percent during the same timeframe. Making matters worse, the younger a user was, the less on average they regularly engaged with the app. The message was clear: Facebook was losing traction with younger generations fast.”

“The findings, echoed by other internal documents and my conversations with current and former employees, show that Facebook sees its aging user base as an existential threat to the long-term health of its business and that it’s trying desperately to correct the problem with little indication that its strategy will work. If it doesn’t correct course, the 17-year-old social network could, for the first time, lose out on an entire generation.”

Washington Post: Insiders say Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg chose growth over safety.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:29:53am

re: #181 Dangerman

Washington Post: Insiders say Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg chose growth over safety.

otherwise he would only be worth $90 billion instead of $120 billion….

WHY DO YOU HATE CAPITALISM?!?

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:36:30am

IMHO
Rush set killing.
We know that the existing prop gun protocols/rules were broken. Obey those rules and we can have gunfire, heist films, done on film, with practical effects, safely. Adding more rules won’t help those that break them. The answer here is strict enforcement of the rules. A set can be a very hazardous place. Even if they ban real guns, we will still have all the stunts. Fights. Car chases. Lots of electricity and a rainy scene.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:40:46am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:41:22am

re: #183 Rightwingconspirator

IMHO
Rush set killing.
We know that the existing prop gun protocols/rules were broken. Obey those rules and we can have gunfire, heist films, done on film, with practical effects, safely. Adding more rules won’t help those that break them. The answer here is strict enforcement of the rules. A set can be a very hazardous place. Even if they ban real guns, we will still have all the stunts. Fights. Car chases. Lots of electricity and a rainy scene.

That seems to be the case, IMHO. I don’t know who the propmaster was in Heat or who trained De Niro, Kilmer, Pacino, etc., in the use of firearms, but that is how you do it right.

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A Cranky One  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:44:06am

It’s being reported that the gun Alec used was used the previous day by crew members doing target practice with live ammo. Also that live ammo was stored in close proximity to the blank ammo.

This is a complete breakdown of the normal on set safety protocols.

How stupid do you have to be allowing live ammo on the set and used in the prop weapons?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:44:36am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:47:11am

re: #183 Rightwingconspirator

IMHO
Rush set killing.
We know that the existing prop gun protocols/rules were broken. Obey those rules and we can have gunfire, heist films, done on film, with practical effects, safely. Adding more rules won’t help those that break them. The answer here is strict enforcement of the rules. A set can be a very hazardous place. Even if they ban real guns, we will still have all the stunts. Fights. Car chases. Lots of electricity and a rainy scene.

And stiff penalties for breaking them.

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gwangung  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:47:12am

re: #183 Rightwingconspirator

IMHO
Rush set killing.
We know that the existing prop gun protocols/rules were broken. Obey those rules and we can have gunfire, heist films, done on film, with practical effects, safely. Adding more rules won’t help those that break them. The answer here is strict enforcement of the rules. A set can be a very hazardous place. Even if they ban real guns, we will still have all the stunts. Fights. Car chases. Lots of electricity and a rainy scene.

These rules were bent and broken because of trying to squeeze casts and crew and save a buck. A lot of new money has gone into entertainment and much of it is from new money from high tech and high finance, who don’t understand why you need to have these rules.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:48:36am

re: #189 gwangung

It’s because people think if you have enough money, rules don’t apply to you.

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ckkatz  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:53:08am

Interesting observation:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:57:05am

re: #189 gwangung

These rules were bent and broken because of trying to squeeze casts and crew and save a buck. A lot of new money has gone into entertainment and much of it is from new money from high tech and high finance, who don’t understand why you need to have these rules pesky government regulations that eat into the bottom line.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:59:01am

re: #191 ckkatz

Exactly, a Help Wanted sign in the window too often nowadays isn’t a call out for future employees.

It’s a political statement.:

Our Internet friend Beau reported on a similar “small-scale” study from someone in Florida.

On one hand, he have a culture that fetishizes hard work but is unwilling to reward the very people who perform it with a living wage.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:59:10am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…at the same time, he instituted Europe’s first state pensions and health insurance because he wanted to undermine the Socialist platform.

And FDR’s programs to help the poor also saved capitalism and democracy.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 8:59:44am

re: #191 ckkatz

Interesting observation:

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Based on what I am seeing, a lot of places are using the pandemic as an excuse to replace workers with self-service systems.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:00:44am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“If we lose democracy, we will never get it back.”

not without a long, hard struggle

Preserving our democracy after Trump also requires a long, hard struggle.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:01:09am

Expel them all, and then arrest them.

A new bombshell report published by RollingStone is naming several congressional Republicans as”co-conspirators” in Donald Trump’s attempt to usurp the presidency by unleashing a mob of supporters into the capitol to force then-Vice President Mike Pence to annul the 2020 election which was won by Democrat Joe Biden.

Citing three sources with knowledge of the planning, the news outlet detailed “explosive allegations that multiple members of Congress were intimately involved in planning both Trump’s efforts to overturn his election loss and the Jan. 6 events that turned violent.”

The lawmakers named by the sources include Reps Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) Paul Gosar (R-AZ) Lauren Boebert (R-CO), Mo Brooks (R-AL), Madison Cawthorn (R-NC), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ), and Louie Gohmert (R-TX).

The sources told RollingStone that the MAGA lawmakers participated in “dozens of planning briefings ahead of that day when Trump supporters broke into the Capitol as his election loss to President Joe Biden was being certified.”

Jan 6 Co-Conspirators Named In New Damning Report (The Daily Boulder)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:01:28am

re: #194 Hecuba’s daughter

And FDR’s programs to help the poor also saved capitalism and democracy.

It saved our bacon when US Steel denied my mom her widow’s pension after my father died.

There was a class-action suit years later from which she got a settlement and regular payments, but without Social Security, we would have literally been out on the street.

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ckkatz  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:06:33am

Maybe I’m forgetting…But didn’t a question mark (‘?’) appended to the end of a tweet link used to mean display only that tweet and not its hierarchy?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:07:03am

re: #196 Hecuba’s daughter

Preserving our democracy after Trump also requires a long, hard struggle.

Even harder, it won’t be a political struggle. We are already driven back to repairing psychological and philosophical damage.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:08:30am

re: #199 ckkatz

Maybe I’m forgetting…But didn’t a question mark (‘?’) appended to the end of a tweet link used to mean display only that tweet and not its hierarchy?

?hide

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:08:56am

Charles put it in the tip if you hover over the question mark at the bottom.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:10:29am

I finished the cooler for my cat food dispensers.

The containers contain cat-proofed gel pack goo in ziplock bags, and slot into retainers that are attached to the top of the feeder. I’m just using it for breakfast at 5am so they don’t try so hard to wake me up, so I only need to cool one section. That’s frost on the top of the one on the right.

The design was done in TinkerCAD, and it’s printed in PLA using a QIDI Plus printer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:11:10am

re: #200 Decatur Deb

Even harder, it won’t be a political struggle. We are already driven back to repairing psychological and philosophical damage.

We need to thoroughly reform our electoral system. It was always based on good faith and mutual trust with a minimum of oversight.

That atmosphere is now completely gone: the GOP message is one of massive systemic fraud on the part of the Democrats (“It was a coup!”) while they set about to disenfranchise as many voters as they can and overturn or refuse to certify the outcome of any elections they disagree with.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:13:06am

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our Internet friend Beau reported on a similar “small-scale” study from someone in Florida.

On one hand, he have a culture that fetishizes hard work but is unwilling to reward the very people who perform it with a living wage.

Isn’t keeping the workforce easily exploitable the purpose of fetishizing work?

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ckkatz  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:14:39am

re: #201 Belafon

?hide

Aha! Thankyou!

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:15:28am
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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:17:46am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We need to thoroughly reform our electoral system. It was always based on good faith and mutual trust with a minimum of oversight.

That atmosphere is now completely gone: the GOP message is one of massive systemic fraud on the part of the Democrats (“It was a coup!”) while they set about to disenfranchise as many voters as they can and overturn or refuse to certify the outcome of any elections they disagree with.

Good faith, trust, shame, and an evolving American identity. Whether they were reasonable or not, they are gone now.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:20:03am

re: #208 Decatur Deb

Good faith, trust, shame, and an evolving American identity. Whether they were reasonable or not, they are gone now.

The evolving American identity is part of the problem that the Right has.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:21:52am

re: #205 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Isn’t keeping the workforce easily exploitable the purpose of fetishizing work?

which is also why there will never be any meaningful immigration reform: we need an endless supply of new, easily exploited workers to depress wages at the bottom end of the scale.

Too many industries base their entire business model on it: agriculture, food processing, food service, hospitality, domestic services, construction, landscaping, gardening, car washes, etc…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:24:22am

re: #195 Belafon

Based on what I am seeing, a lot of places are using the pandemic as an excuse to replace workers with self-service systems.

Grocery stores with 15 self-checkout kiosks (one person overseeing) and two full service lanes open at what is effectively a peak shopping time.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:24:24am

re: #209 Belafon

The evolving American identity is part of the problem that the Right has.

I blame Gorbachev. Without a pervasive foreign threat, solidarity became a luxury.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:24:37am

re: #128 No Malarkey!

Not only was Caviezel the lead in “The Last Temptation of Christ”, he also played the mass murderer in “Deja Vu”, a far less violent and much better film (and no, I never saw Last Temptation).

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ckkatz  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:26:05am

Some idiot posted a picture of empty shelves and blamed Biden. Here are a few responses:

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:27:43am

re: #211 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Grocery stores with 15 self-checkout kiosks (one person overseeing) and two full service lanes open at what is effectively a peak shopping time.

If I go to work for Walmart, I demand a better profit-sharing plan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:30:40am

re: #214 ckkatz

These shelves appear to be unlabeled, likely waiting to be stocked with seasonal items. Why are these people so dumb and gullible?

Because they are in possession of a Higher Truth, namely that Biden Hates America and wants to Ruin it for White People so that n*CLANGS and freeloading Immigrants can come and enjoy it…

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:35:04am

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

Not only was Caviezel the lead in “The Last Temptation of Christ”, he also played the mass murderer in “Deja Vu”, a far less violent and much better film (and no, I never saw Last Temptation).

The Passion of the Christ. Willem Defoe was Jesus in the Last Temptation.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:35:04am
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Teukka  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:37:09am

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

Not only was Caviezel the lead in “The Last Temptation of Christ”, he also played the mass murderer in “Deja Vu”, a far less violent and much better film (and no, I never saw Last Temptation).

Correction: The Passion of the Christ, not the The Last Temptation of Christ. The former is Jeebus pr0n, the latter is a really interesting what-if set in the lifetime of Christ.

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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:39:04am
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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:43:06am

re: #189 gwangung

These rules were bent and broken because of trying to squeeze casts and crew and save a buck. A lot of new money has gone into entertainment and much of it is from new money from high tech and high finance, who don’t understand why you need to have these rules.

after all, your estate can sue

there’s your free enterprise ‘check and balance’

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:49:28am

re: #181 Dangerman

The Verge:…..
“The findings, echoed by other internal documents and my conversations with current and former employees, show that Facebook sees its aging user base as an existential threat to the long-term health of its business and that it’s trying desperately to correct the problem with little indication that its strategy will work. If it doesn’t correct course, the 17-year-old social network could, for the first time, lose out on an entire generation.”

Washington Post: Insiders say Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg chose growth over safety.

What, pray tell, did any of their measures do to spur FB growth among the young? I cannot think that promotion of conservative anti-democratic values would be of any interest to teens or those in their early 20’s. Or is the FB focus solely on Instagram for that age group? Certainly it isn’t the FB product.

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Jay C  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:52:00am

re: #214 ckkatz

Some idiot posted a picture of empty shelves and blamed Biden. Here are a few responses:

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Why are these people so dumb and gullible?

Just MHO, but:
1. The ones who post this sort of nonsense are neither dumb nor gullible, but are basically just trolling: they know there will be at least some audience out there to buy their BS, because:
2. Some segment of the “public” may be dumb, or gullible, or both: but will buy into the meme (idiotic as it may be) because it comports with their preexisting prejudices: and in the Age Of Social Media, reality (“empty shelves at a store awaiting re-stocking”) seems to always take a back seat to interpretation (“Joe Biden is responsible for shortages”): especailly if there is even a hint of political content to the meme…..

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Dangerman  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:54:57am

re: #223 Jay C

Just MHO, but:
1. The ones who post this sort of nonsense are neither dumb nor gullible, but are basically just trolling: they know there will be at least some audience out there to buy their BS, because:
2. Some segment of the “public” may be dumb, or gullible, or both: but will buy into the meme (idiotic as it may be) because it comports with their preexisting prejudices: and in the Age Of Social Media, reality (“empty shelves at a store awaiting re-stocking”) seems to always take a back seat to interpretation (“Joe Biden is responsible for shortages”): especailly if there is even a hint of political content to the meme…..

even if the absurdity was true, then Biden would be responsible for one set of empty shelves

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:55:57am

re: #222 Hecuba’s daughter

What, pray tell, did any of their measures do to spur FB growth among the young? I cannot think that promotion of conservative anti-democratic values would be of any interest to teens or those in their early 20’s. Or is the FB focus solely on Instagram for that age group? Certainly it isn’t the FB product.

Based on my kids’ behaviors, Facebook’s format doesn’t work well with smartphones. That’s what Instagram and Tiktok do better.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:56:20am

re: #177 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

By hiring competent, trained (union) personnel, that seems to be an issue in this incident.

Except that we don’t know who does the hiring, thus we don’t know where any responsibilities might lie. You seem to want to find something to blame Baldwin for, no matter what.

ETA and for that matter, we don’t even really know what happened with the gun, what it was loaded with and what the flaw was.

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dat_said  Oct 25, 2021 • 9:57:21am

re: #181 Dangerman

“The findings, echoed by other internal documents and my conversations with current and former employees, show that Facebook sees its aging user base as an existential threat to the long-term health of its business and that it’s trying desperately to correct the problem with little indication that its strategy will work. If it doesn’t correct course, the 17-year-old social network could, for the first time, lose out on an entire generation.”

Washington Post: Insiders say Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg chose growth over safety.

Substituting “Facebook” for “religious institutions” might give Mr.Zuckerberg some insight that he opted for neither growth nor safety:

A new survey found that half of people ages 13 to 25 think that religious institutions care little for the issues that matter deeply to them, such as racial justice, gender equity, immigration rights, income inequality and gun control, and that may be driving a decline in membership for several denominations, reported the Wall Street Journal.

Catering to Q, racists, misogynists, reactionaries, anti-LGBQ, …, seems like the wrong strategy if truly believe an aging user base is an existential threat to the company.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:00:14am

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

Not only was Caviezel the lead in “The Last Temptation of Christ”, he also played the mass murderer in “Deja Vu”, a far less violent and much better film (and no, I never saw Last Temptation).

They had to put a lot of effort into preventing that moron from hurting anyone on the set of Person of Interest, which I’ll never be able to watch again. They couldn’t even let him drive, because he’s too crazy.

Iframe

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:00:15am

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

There needs to be greater attention paid when firearms are involved in a scene. The legendary shootout scene in Heat (one of the greatest ever put to film, IMHO) is an example of it done right. No one was killed or injured.

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Greater than what? Do we know what attention was paid?

(It looks like Hollywood is removing real guns from their productions en masse as a result of this incident. Works for me.)

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:01:42am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We need to thoroughly reform our electoral system. It was always based on good faith and mutual trust with a minimum of oversight.

That atmosphere is now completely gone: the GOP message is one of massive systemic fraud on the part of the Democrats (“It was a coup!”) while they set about to disenfranchise as many voters as they can and overturn or refuse to certify the outcome of any elections they disagree with.

The 1876 election was totally corrupt. But when the 2000 election was stolen by SCOTUS with no consequences, that gave the GQP advance notice that they had free rein to inflict whatever damage they desired on our systems as long as the Court remained in Republican hands.

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ckkatz  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:01:57am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:04:13am

re: #230 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Greater than what? Do we know what attention was paid?

(It looks like Hollywood is removing real guns from their productions en masse as a result of this incident. Works for me.)

Clearly, greater attention than in this particular case. Or, for that matter, then the attention paid to firearms safety on the set of The Crow.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:05:31am

re: #217 Belafon

The Passion of the Christ. Willem Defoe was Jesus in the Last Temptation.

Ooops!! And I actually saw Last Temptation, not The Passion. My bad!!!

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:05:53am

re: #233 Dr Lizardo

From above:

re: #186 A Cranky One

It’s being reported that the gun Alec used was used the previous day by crew members doing target practice with live ammo. Also that live ammo was stored in close proximity to the blank ammo.

This is a complete breakdown of the normal on set safety protocols.

How stupid do you have to be allowing live ammo on the set and used in the prop weapons?

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ckkatz  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:08:17am
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:08:20am

re: #229 Punish Domestic Terrorists

They had to put a lot of effort into preventing that moron from hurting anyone on the set of Person of Interest, which I’ll never be able to watch again. They couldn’t even let him drive, because he’s too crazy.

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They had to call his agent to tell him that Jim can’t talk about Hitler on set.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:09:58am

re: #235 Belafon

From above:

How stupid? Unbelievably stupid. A total, colossal failure of on-set firearms safety protocol.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:11:46am

re: #237 Punish Domestic Terrorists

They had to call his agent to tell him that Jim can’t talk about Hitler on set.

Huh? WTF, was he walking up to people on set and saying, “Have you heard about our Lord and Savior Adolf Hitler” or something?

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:16:04am

re: #239 Dr Lizardo

Huh? WTF, was he walking up to people on set and saying, “Have you heard about our Lord and Savior Adolf Hitler” or something?

More “Have you heard how organized and efficient Hitler was?” He’d also comment on who’s Jewish.

He also refused to film a scene where his character rescued a gay couple from trouble, because he thought these characters deserved to be comdemned rather than rescued. He’s a REALLY sick guy, like the rest of his subculture.

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ckkatz  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:18:25am

I am reminded of the old Mark Twain quote:

Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
- - Mark Twain

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:18:33am

re: #240 Punish Domestic Terrorists

More “Have you heard how organized and efficient Hitler was?” He’d also comment on who’s Jewish.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:19:18am

re: #240 Punish Domestic Terrorists

More “Have you heard how organized and efficient Hitler was?” He’d also comment on who’s Jewish.

He also refused to film a scene where his character rescued a gay couple from trouble, because he thought these characters deserved to be comdemned rather than rescued. He’s a REALLY sick guy, like the rest of his subculture.

I’m sure there was some denialism in the mix, too.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:19:34am
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dharmamark  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:22:30am

re: #244 Punish Domestic Terrorists

My sister and I loved that show.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:23:06am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

I’m asking that a lot while listening to this podcast.

He’d also judge stranger’s ethnicity, and then talk to them in gibberish trying to sound like the language their grandparents spoke back home. He’d see a black person, and immediately put on a racist accent, and pushed back against an interracial relationship in the show, ruining another actor’s character.

This guy has gone full Gibson.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:23:42am

re: #245 dharmamark

So did I. She only made it to 70.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:23:46am

re: #233 Dr Lizardo

Clearly, greater attention than in this particular case. Or, for that matter, then the attention paid to firearms safety on the set of The Crow.

If some of the crew were out using the guns for target practice, it becomes an entirely different matter, and the first question is now whether they were “allowed” to do it or snuck it in after hours. Were there witnesses or not?

One of the hardest things about running a business of any kind is policing your employees.

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Dopamine Fish  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:24:28am

re: #246 Punish Domestic Terrorists

And this is the guy they chose to play Jesus? I can’t think of a less Christ-like person, except maybe Trump.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:25:49am

re: #249 Dopamine Fish

And this is the guy they chose to play Jesus? I can’t think of a less Christ-like person, except maybe Trump.

Conservative Jesus, who was recently replaced by Trump.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:26:35am

re: #244 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I used to watch that when I was a kid. Along with Electra Woman and Dyna Girl, Shazam! and Ark II. RIP.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:29:16am

re: #251 Dr Lizardo

I used to watch that when I was a kid. Along with Electra Woman and Dyna Girl, Shazam! and Ark II. RIP.

We must be close to the same age.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:29:36am

The article provides a significant bit of history on the gentleman owning the flagpole

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:30:11am

re: #244 Punish Domestic Terrorists

The tweeter is the girl on the left. They both stopped acting in the early 80s.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:30:46am

re: #246 Punish Domestic Terrorists

This guy has gone full Gibson.

He’s gone way beyond full Gibson. Hell, Cavizel makes Mel Gibson look like Tom Hanks in comparison.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:31:04am

re: #252 Punish Domestic Terrorists

We must be close to the same age.

I’m 52.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:33:36am

Yesterday’s storm rain (6.01”) total was more than the total for the entire 2020-2021 rain season (5.98”). That’s pretty amazing. We are at 6.81” for the season.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Oct 25, 2021 • 10:34:35am

re: #256 Dr Lizardo

55

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Teukka  Oct 25, 2021 • 11:06:47am

re: #240 Punish Domestic Terrorists

More “Have you heard how organized and efficient Hitler was?” He’d also comment on who’s Jewish.

He also refused to film a scene where his character rescued a gay couple from trouble, because he thought these characters deserved to be comdemned rather than rescued. He’s a REALLY sick guy, like the rest of his subculture.

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