Excellent New Music From Porcupine Tree: “Harridan” (Official Lyric Video)

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Gavin Harrison’s drumming throughout this track is nothing short of amazing.

Porcupine Tree - Harridan (Official Lyric Video)

Harridan is taken from the band’s forthcoming eleventh album, CLOSURE / CONTINUATION - their first since 2009’s The Incident.

Over a decade in the making, CLOSURE / CONTINUATION is due for release on Music For Nations/Sony on 24th June 2022. It will be available as a seven track album on standard CD/double vinyl/coloured vinyl or limited cassette. The deluxe LP version comes on audiophile approved crystal clear vinyl as a 3xLP 45rpm boxset with two bonus tracks; the deluxe CD & Blu-Ray boxset comes with three bonus tracks, instrumental versions, and high resolution 96/24 stereo, 5.1 and Dolby Atmos versions of the album, all housed in an exclusive art book.

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Lyrics:

Gold man bites down on a silver tongue
Takes a deep breath and blows the candle out
He knows the truth but he keeps it to himself
Here it is
You can only save yourself
Only yourself

When we bite the dust
We will hide our cuts from the world
When you’re in the dirt
You don’t show your hurt to the world

Cold man, white knuckles on the wheel
Well it’s all just there to steal
You just gotta take it
Take it like the harridan you are

It’s the time of the almost rain without you
I am in debt to night
And gone to earth for love
And I, a shadow
And what of us?

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298 comments
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lawhawk  Nov 5, 2021 • 4:37:46pm

Newsmax goes with its own vaccine mandate.
Fox has its own more stringent mandate than what Biden requires.

But both of those propaganda platforms spew endless amounts of antivax nonsense.

You will not hear about anyone complaining about the mandate there, or people quitting over the mandate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2021 • 4:45:57pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 5, 2021 • 4:55:41pm

Thanks Charles for reminding me to follow my idiot Gov. on twatter. I should have a long time ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2021 • 4:57:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 4:57:55pm
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JOE 🥓  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:02:23pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

All they billionaires had to do was buy off six Blue Dogs in the House and Boris & Natasha in the Senate so they wouldn’t have to pay their fair share.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:05:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:12:02pm

If you’re going to pull out a baseball bat against a crazy person like this, you should probably use it right away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:13:34pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:16:04pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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A cookie shop, they terrorized a cookie shop.

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JC1  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:16:11pm

re: #6 JOE 🥓

All they billionaires had to do was buy off six Blue Dogs in the House and Boris & Natasha in the Senate so they wouldn’t have to pay their fair share.

Need larger majorities. Cap gains and dividends should be taxed at the same rates as ordinary income. I like the idea of a tax on stock buybacks. I like Biden’s idea of getting rid of getting rid of basis adjustments on estates.

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JOE 🥓  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:16:49pm

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:17:11pm
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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:19:26pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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You’re giving her the benefit of the doubt that I can’t see she’s earned

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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:41:11pm

re: #14 b.d. (The war is over)

You’re giving her the benefit of the doubt that I can’t see she’s earned

lol, yep, she’s an idiot:

Republican gubernatorial candidate Nikki Haley has consistently missed the April 15 tax-filing deadline, according to additional records released Wednesday, filing her income taxes more than a year late in 2005 and 2006.

Haley, a Lexington County state representative, has paid more than $4,000 in late-payment penalties since 2004. She has emphasized her accounting experience on the campaign trail.

In two years the Haley family paid only $83 in state income taxes.

Read more at: thestate.com

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:47:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:55:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:57:12pm
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jaunte  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:57:16pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:57:34pm
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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 5, 2021 • 5:59:47pm

re: #19 jaunte

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So this is the actual, elusive infrastructure week that has been hiding all these years?!

Be still my beating heart! I can already hear those potholes being filled!

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:00:43pm

re: #19 jaunte

So that’s the House. What’s going to happen when this gets sent back over to the Senate?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:01:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:02:50pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:03:35pm

I want to note that Aaron Roger’s 500 page “research” is the same kind of trick that creationists and AGW-deniers pull, with mountains of paper and claims against real science.

All of their efforts are worthless.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:03:58pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:05:48pm

National Air and Space Museum, Smithsonian Institution

Today in 1960, NASA made its first of four attempts to launch two X-15 aircraft in a single day.
Pictured here is NB-52B with X-15-1 and NB-52A with X-15-2. Due to a hydraulic leak on X-15-2, that aircraft did not launch. However, our Museum’s X-15-1 did! More on the North American X-15: s.si.edu

Both the NB-52A (52-0003, named “The High and Mighty One” but always known as “Balls 3”) and the NB-52B (52-0008, “The Challenger” aka “Balls 8”) still exist. Balls 3 is the oldest surviving B-52, the fifth one built. It was in regular use until 1969, and is on display at the Pima County Air Museum in Arizona. Balls 8 served until 2004, completing almost 50 years of service with NASA. It is on display outside the gate at Edwards AFB. Intact but looking a little worse for wear, it is awaiting restoration for indoor display at the base museum.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:06:17pm

I also want to note that there are few things better than a properly prepared piece of fried chicken.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:06:59pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Literally the day the CDC made the announcement, I got an email from the fishspawn’s school; they are hosting a community vaccination event, specifically for kids aged 5-11 who attend the school, but anyone can sign up. I’m so excited.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:07:04pm
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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:07:45pm

re: #22 Dopamine Fish

So that’s the House. What’s going to happen when this gets sent back over to the Senate?

Infrastructure has already passed the Senate, that one goes straight to President Biden for his signature. The climate and social safety net bill will go to the Senate for CBO scoring so it can get a reconciliation vote (majority) to get passed, then to President Biden.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:09:08pm

re: #31 b.d. (The war is over)

Infrastructure has already passed the Senate, that one goes straight to President Biden for his signature. The climate and social safety net bill will go to the Senate for CBO scoring so it can get a reconciliation vote (majority) to get passed, then to President Biden.

That reconciliation vote is what concerns me. I am very wary of the tiresome duo who have been dominating American political theater for the last two months. I have no trust that they won’t throw a last-minute spanner in the works just to exercise their power and their need to feel self-important.

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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:10:56pm

re: #32 Dopamine Fish

That reconciliation vote is what concerns me. I am very wary of the tiresome duo who have been dominating American political theater for the last two months. I have no trust that they won’t throw a last-minute spanner in the works just to exercise their power and their need to feel self-important.

You’re not alone, this whole thing has been held up because they don’t trust them

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:14:16pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:17:12pm

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Just occurred to me that all four of the rather exotic aircraft pictured here still exist. X-15-1 is at the Smithsonian’s National Air and Space Museum, while X-15-2 is at the USAF Museum in Ohio.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:19:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:19:58pm

re: #32 Dopamine Fish

That reconciliation vote is what concerns me. I am very wary of the tiresome duo who have been dominating American political theater for the last two months. I have no trust that they won’t throw a last-minute spanner in the works just to exercise their power and their need to feel self-important.

They will.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:22:44pm
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Sherlock Hound  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:23:31pm

re: #25 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I want to note that Aaron Roger’s 500 page “research” is the same kind of trick that creationists and AGW-deniers pull, with mountains of paper and claims against real science.

All of their efforts are worthless.

A lot of these “500 pages” are most likely reprinted Reddit or message board threads, rather than anything scholarly.

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:24:31pm

2021 Stealth Fighter

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:24:52pm

re: #39 Sherlock Hound

A lot of these “500 pages” are most likely reprinted Reddit or message board threads, rather than anything scholarly.

Undoubtedly, but if you talk to most anti-vaxxers, the most they can come up with is one or two “sources” - usually a Facebook post. So to come up with 500+ pages is a relatively impressive amount of effort.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:25:48pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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They are degenerates in the literal sense of the word, since they represent, and are largely drawn from, a class (the local gentry) that has undergone significant decay because of hidden inbreeding and bad reproductive choices for over a century.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:26:07pm

Attention, mmmirele! The link between Fundamentalists, MLM’s and Sinema:

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:27:49pm
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Dopamine Fish  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:32:24pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

That shitbag deserves to be behind bars. Unfortunately, the United States Code does not yet have an appropriate criminal statute to penalize this asshole for all the wrong things he has done.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:34:48pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:35:15pm

re: #45 Dopamine Fish

That shitbag deserves to be behind bars. Unfortunately, the United States Code does not yet have an appropriate criminal statute to penalize this asshole for all the wrong things he has done.

He got off with a slap on the wrist when he tried to buy a Senator’s Office. He’s such a scumbag.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:38:39pm

re: #1 lawhawk

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Newsmax goes with its own vaccine mandate.
Fox has its own more stringent mandate than what Biden requires.

But both of those propaganda platforms spew endless amounts of antivax nonsense.

You will not hear about anyone complaining about the mandate there, or people quitting over the mandate.

This is why Bongino’s tiff with Cumulus probably had nothing to do with vaccines. I still think they shitcanned him because his show sucks and is stupid, and he used this as an excuse the rubes would eat up. Bongino is vaccinated, he also works for FOX. FOX has a vaccine mandate. While he was ranting about taking a “principled stance” on the cumulus mandate he said *absolutely nothing* about FOX and continued to make appearances on it.

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sagehen  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:40:56pm

Andrew Sullivan was on Firing Line tonight, every bit as irritating as usual. But this time, it was more than 20 minutes in a row of irritating, and an interviewer who pushed back.

thirteen.org

pbs website describes it as:
Author and political commentator Andrew Sullivan, a self-described small-c conservative who opposes Trump, says this week’s election signals a backlash to woke culture and discusses the need for open debate among people with different perspectives.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:45:46pm
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jaunte  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:46:39pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:54:42pm

re: #51 jaunte

Best speaker of the last fifty years. Maybe even 100.

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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:55:01pm

re: #52 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ever?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:55:59pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:57:29pm

re: #53 retired cynic

Ever?

I need to study more 19th century Speakers but yeah I think you could make that argument. Hopefully we see the Pelosi Office Building one day.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:58:05pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

I can’t ever work with MongoDB again, but that’s because the one project I worked on that used it, abused it so badly that I have nightmares about it to this day. One of the pieces of the project got a front-page article on The Daily WTF.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 6:58:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 7:08:45pm
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Dopamine Fish  Nov 5, 2021 • 7:13:05pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Who the FUCK cares what was in it?! People are allowed to struggle with their internal problems. There’s nothing wrong with that. Publishing someone’s internal monologue and using it to accuse them of being a bad person is an absolute rock-bottom shitty take.

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nines09  Nov 5, 2021 • 7:19:09pm

Now a glimpse of our glorious future after we shit the earth to death.
Nite nite I’m out.

Broken Toilet Means SpaceX Crew Is Stuck Using Diapers

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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2021 • 7:21:53pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Oh, lord, I have been thrown into having to learn SQL in my 70s, for my sins. I’d say I’d look up MongoDB, but I won’t, because the company I am dealing with is using MySQL for a huge database for a nonprofit I founded almost 50 years ago.

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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2021 • 7:23:21pm

re: #59 Dopamine Fish

Who the FUCK cares what was in it?! People are allowed to struggle with their internal problems. There’s nothing wrong with that. Publishing someone’s internal monologue and using it to accuse them of being a bad person is an absolute rock-bottom shitty take.

Does she claim it, and say those are her thoughts? If she doesn’t, and considering the source, I would assume it was total fakery.

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plansbandc  Nov 5, 2021 • 7:27:40pm

Sometimes I just need to watch this video…

American Woodcock Shine

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2021 • 7:29:34pm

re: #60 nines09

Now a glimpse of our glorious future after we shit the earth to death.
Nite nite I’m out.

Broken Toilet Means SpaceX Crew Is Stuck Using Diapers

Where’s Howard Wolowitz when you need him??

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 5, 2021 • 7:42:17pm
Emilio Estevez has been fired from Disney + series The Mighty Ducks: Game Changers after he refused to comply with the studio’s new COVID protocols. He will be written out for season 2.

They should have the character die from covid.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 5, 2021 • 7:44:01pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 5, 2021 • 7:49:01pm

Easy as Sin

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 7:55:14pm

re: #60 nines09

Now a glimpse of our glorious future after we shit the earth to death.
Nite nite I’m out.

Broken Toilet Means SpaceX Crew Is Stuck Using Diapers

On the culinary side, the astronauts grew the first chile peppers in space — “a nice moral boost,” according to McArthur. They got to sample their harvest in the past week, adding pieces of the green and red peppers to tacos.

“They have a nice spiciness to them, a little bit of a lingering burn,” she said. “Some found that more troublesome than others.”

Probably wise not to sample them too close to departure time.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 7:57:28pm
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A Cranky One  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:11:11pm

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:12:04pm
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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:14:01pm

re: #70 A Cranky One

I just can’t laugh at those, because two pitbulls got out and came over from my neighbors, and killed one my cats in front of me. She lived for a day, long enough to suffer through a visit to an emergency vet. So I just cannot trust them, I can’t.

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A Cranky One  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:20:45pm

So sorry to hear that, how tragic.

Sadly, lots of folks don’t understand that terriers have a mind of their own and so obedience training is essential as well as careful control.

Forgive my bringing up unhappy memories.

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ipsos  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:22:00pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

Oh man.

I saw Fagen do the entire Nightfly album a few years ago at a “Steely Dan” concert (really just Fagen and some top-notch session players) at the Beacon in NYC.

He got to that moment and half the audience sang “won’t you pour me a Cuban Breeze, Gretchen” back at him. It was glorious. Also the best audio mix I’ve heard at a live show pretty much ever.

And my teenage daughter has discovered the album, which pleases me immensely.

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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:23:47pm

re: #73 A Cranky One

I don’t blame you, truly. And you are right about terriers. But these had been socialized from birth, raised in a home with cats and little children, and had met me and my cats. The cat didn’t even run, she didn’t expect trouble. They just arrived and went to it. The owner put them down, because they were around small dogs, cats and children all the time, and they assumed if they did it once, they would do it again. Perhaps one at a time, they would not have thought of it.

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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:24:40pm

re: #74 ipsos

Steely Dan was my brother’s favorite group. Good memories!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:27:35pm

BIB is passed. Now on to part II.

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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:28:08pm

re: #77 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

BIB is passed. Now on to part II.

YAY!

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:29:12pm
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EstebanTornado1963  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:33:07pm

re: #77 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

BIB is passed. Now on to part II.

Dems in disarray

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:33:24pm

Infrastructure bill passed:

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William Lewis  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:33:36pm
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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:35:04pm

Screw the “Squad”. Friggin’ pathetic progressive posers.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:38:21pm

So Pelosi managed to find some House Repubs to vote for the bill after weeks of giving progressives grief for “holding it up.”

Fuck this bullshit.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:38:57pm

re: #83 (((Archangel1)))

Screw the “Squad”. Friggin’ pathetic “progressive” posers.

I haven’t been impressed with them in a long time. Don’t get what voting against this does but they’re going to have to explain to their constituents because those no votes guarantee a primary.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:39:10pm
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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:39:13pm

re: #83 (((Archangel1)))

Screw the “Squad”. Friggin’ pathetic “progressive” posers.

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I understood it was a group of “moderates” who insisted on a wait for the second bill for some sort of economic scoring that caused a breaking of the understanding that Dems had that both bills had to pass together. And the progressives were protesting that breakage.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:40:20pm

re: #87 retired cynic

I understood it was a group of “moderates” who insisted on a wait for the second bill for some sort of economic scoring that caused a breaking of the understanding that Dems had that both bills had to pass together. And the progressives were protesting that breakage.

I feel exhausted by both the poles of the caucus. I’m more impressed by people who work on the policy side of the issues.

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EPR-radar  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:41:06pm

re: #83 (((Archangel1)))

Let’s see how this plays out. There’s a good chance that passage of the infrastructure bill has removed any chance that BBB gets through Congress.

In which case it will be hard to say which is worse, 1) infrastructure with no BBB + another in an unending succession of cases where moderate GOP-enabling fuckwits get their way or 2) no infrastructure and no BBB.

After all it’s not like Ds running on infrastructure has a chance of overcoming Republican noise. We need the stuff in the BBB to have a chance at that.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:49:32pm

re: #88 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I feel exhausted by both the poles of the caucus. I’m more impressed by people who work on the policy side of the issues.

The progressive side kept giving up things to appease Manchin and Sinema in order to get both passed, and they’re having to give up all of their side. Sorry, but they’re getting screwed.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:51:53pm

2022’s “We have to pass it to know what’s in it” moment.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:52:29pm

re: #90 Belafon

The progressive side kept giving up things to appease Manchin and Sinema in order to get both passed, and they’re having to give up all of their side. Sorry, but they’re getting screwed.

Welcome to political negotiations 101. You don’t always get everything you want out of an original bill. Ir sucks but we are not working in FDR and LBJ era majorities. I wanted more money in BBB too but this all or nothing shit reminds me of the Freedom Caucus. We’re getting a lot done in this first bill and I’m tired of people ignoring that because we’ve had to water m it down unfortunately. Better to negotiate with our own.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:53:34pm

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Welcome to political negotiations 101. You don’t always get everything you want out of an original bill. Ir sucks but we are not working in FDR and LBJ era majorities. I wanted more money in BBB too but this all or nothing shit reminds me of the Freedom Caucus. We’re getting a lot done in this first bill and I’m tired of people ignoring that because we’ve had to water m it down unfortunately. Better to negotiate with our own.

Nope, but they got screwed because the other two didn’t give up anything.

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prairiefire  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:54:17pm

re: #81 (((Archangel1)))

It’s something, finally. Now on to the 2nd part.

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EPR-radar  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:55:38pm

re: #94 prairiefire

It’s something, finally. Now on to the 2nd part.

Unfortunately, it is most unlikely to be so simple. IIRC Manchin is perfectly happy with no BBB at all. If he sticks to that position, that’s it. Case closed.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:55:41pm

Joël Stoppels Battlefield Tours is in Kranenburg, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.

Impressive photo of a 17 Pounder Valentine, Mk I, Archer in a flooded street in Kranenburg (Germany) during operation Veritable. During the start of operation Veritable on February 8, 1945, German engineers blew the sluice gates at Wylermeer, followed by the sluice in Bienen. After being delayed by mines and mud, Kranenburg was captured by the British infantry at 6:30 PM on February 8, 1945. But then they discovered that the main street Nijmegen-Kleve was already flooded. Water continued to rise on February 10. The water masses crossed the Nijmegen-Kleve road up to a distance of 5 miles and partially rose to a meter high. For that reason, the Allies used ferries delivering vehicles to the higher ground between Kranenburg and Nütterden where the road was higher than elsewhere. This flooding right up to Kranenburg Bend led to a major traffic problem for the allies. However, because the majority of the population had already been evacuated in September 1944, they did not suffer from the flooding.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:57:30pm

re: #95 EPR-radar

Unfortunately, it is most unlikely to be so simple. IIRC Manchin is perfectly happy with no BBB at all. If he sticks to that position, that’s it. Case closed.

He’s got his Maserati.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:59:19pm

Texas Tech: Beavers found in Lubbock for the first time in 5,000 years

It’s not exactly a dinosaur, but it is a story thousands of years in the making. A Texas Tech doctoral candidate has made a historic discovery in Lubbock. A handful of North American beavers are back living in the South Plains for the first time in 5,000 years.

“It took them a little while, but they made it back … There’s a lot of lakeshore here, a lot of habitat, and so who knows how many could really be here?” said Garret D. Langlois, a doctoral candidate in natural resources management at Tech.

Langlois made the discovery and said his research proves beavers are living in the Canyon Lakes, Buffalo Springs and Ransom Canyon. But their presence did not happen overnight.

If they bring back wooly mammoths, I’ll move back too.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 8:59:33pm

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Welcome to political negotiations 101. You don’t always get everything you want out of an original bill. Ir sucks but we are not working in FDR and LBJ era majorities. I wanted more money in BBB too but this all or nothing shit reminds me of the Freedom Caucus. We’re getting a lot done in this first bill and I’m tired of people ignoring that because we’ve had to water m it down unfortunately. Better to negotiate with our own.

The BIF is all the “hard” infrastructure spending that “moderate” Dems insisted be pulled from the original $6T bill because they could get “moderate” Repubs to agree to passing that with a filibuster-proof majority. There’s been no “watering down” of that bill or compromise to get its passage, only an agreement made with Senate Dem progressives that the remaining $3.5T would be passed through reconciliation together with the BIF.

Progressives have every right now to feel betrayed because they have been. They have been asked to make compromise after compromise, asked to make an agreement “for the good of the party,” and now are going to get all sorts of shit for refusing to vote for the BIF because they’re “purity ponies.”

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EPR-radar  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:02:59pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

The BIF is all the “hard” infrastructure spending that “moderate” Dems insisted be pulled from the original $6T bill because they could get “moderate” Repubs to agree to passing that with a filibuster-proof majority. There’s been no “watering down” of that bill or compromise to get its passage, only an agreement made with Senate Dem progressives that the remaining $3.5T would be passed through reconciliation together with the BIF.

Progressives have every right now to feel betrayed because they have been. They have been asked to make compromise after compromise, asked to make an agreement “for the good of the party,” and now are going to get all sorts of shit for refusing to vote for the BIF because they’re “purity ponies.”

The worst part of this is that the BBB is most unlikely to get through Congress now, no matter what it is cut down to, because D moderates already have the only thing they wanted to pass between now and the next election.

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sagehen  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:07:14pm

re: #85 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I haven’t been impressed with them in a long time. Don’t get what voting against this does but they’re going to have to explain to their constituents because those no votes guarantee a primary.

nah, they’re in EXTREMELY safe districts. None of them is in any danger.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:08:19pm

re: #101 sagehen

nah, they’re in EXTREMELY safe districts. None of them is in any danger.

And they were elected because they were more progressive than the people they replaced.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:08:57pm

re: #100 EPR-radar

The worst part of this is that the BBB is most unlikely to get through Congress now, no matter what it is cut down to, because D moderates already have the only thing they wanted to pass between now and the next election.

Oh, the BBB is dead after today. The “need” to have the CBO score it before they’d vote for it was Pelosi giving the corporate Dems an out to avoid feeling pressured to pass it today in order to get the BIF passed. Look for the first rumblings by next week that the party needs to use its “one” bite at the reconciliation apple this year to address the debt ceiling and that the party can come back to the BBB “after the midterms.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:13:02pm

re: #101 sagehen

nah, they’re in EXTREMELY safe districts. None of them is in any danger.

Uh you can be in a safe district and be primaried. That’s how AOC herself got in. I’m just saying. There was no good reason to vote with the Republicans on this. This advancing makes BBB more not less likely. Remember this was Sinema’a bill. I get not liking the moderates but there are always roadblocks like that. Move forward with BBB.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:15:13pm

re: #104 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Uh you can be in a safe district and be primaried. That’s how AOC herself got in. I’m just saying. There was no good reason to vote with the Republicans on this. This advancing makes BBB more not less likely. Remember this was Sinema’a bill. I get not liking the moderates but there are always roadblocks like that. Move forward with BBB.

I’m very much a pragmatist on this kind of stuff, but they gave up a ton of stuff, and got nothing on the the stuff they campaigned on.

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sagehen  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:16:10pm

re: #95 EPR-radar

Unfortunately, it is most unlikely to be so simple. IIRC Manchin is perfectly happy with no BBB at all. If he sticks to that position, that’s it. Case closed.

Probably, but not necessarily. If the CBO score shows it deficit neutral, and the billionaire’s tax is out, but the child tax credit stays in, Romney might think of all the large Mormon families who’ll like it. Murkowski might think of what the climate change portions will mean to her Inuit voters. And some of the retiring Republican senators might vote for it just to stick it to the faction that’s the reason they’re having to retire.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:16:24pm

Manchin, Sinema, and the other conservative Democrats screwed the progressive side.

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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:16:37pm

re: #105 Belafon

That’s what I’m afraid of. I know we had to get SOMETHING, and can only hope we haven’t been shafted. No bets.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:17:10pm

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:17:24pm

The reason people say that Dems are terrible at messaging is because of situations like this. The House progressive caucus has said for literal months that they would vote for the BIF if the agreement to advance the BBB simultaneously was adhered to. Hell, they repeated today that they were ready to take that vote if the BBB would also advance.

Yet the narrative now is “THANK GOD THE REPUBS SAVED US FROM THE PROGRESSIVES!”

FFS

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:17:50pm

The thing is, some of this could have passed under current rules. So the fact that only one side had to give up everything means they got the short end.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:18:16pm

re: #89 EPR-radar

Let’s see how this plays out. There’s a good chance that passage of the infrastructure bill has removed any chance that BBB gets through Congress.

In which case it will be hard to say which is worse, 1) infrastructure with no BBB + another in an unending succession of cases where moderate GOP-enabling fuckwits get their way or 2) no infrastructure and no BBB.

After all it’s not like Ds running on infrastructure has a chance of overcoming Republican noise. We need the stuff in the BBB to have a chance at that.

Biden got the Democratic nomination because African-Americans saved him; they knew that the progressive candidate Bernie would have lost the general election in a landslide. This nation is not progressive; it’s center-left but not as left as the progressives would wish. If this bill had passed last week, the results in VA might have been different. I am 100% confident that option 2 would have been far worse. It would support the Dems-in-disarray message which would have been lethal to our hopes next year.

Hopefully BBB will also pass and that would be a great selling point for the 2022 election; if it doesn’t, Democrats can run on needing more Democrats to get more good things for this nation. And Democrats can run on the fact that when the GOP had full control of the WH and Congress, with the great “builder” President, they turned “infrastructure week” into a punchline and made no serious effort to write such legislation — all they wanted was tax cuts for the rich. This should be the mantra that we adopt.

Remember: Republicans win on meaningless slogans and culture war issues, without accomplishing anything. Democrats need to add effective slogans to our arsenal, especially those that demonize Republicans. And not slogans like “defund the police” that are effective in losing votes for us.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:18:16pm

The other side shoukd have had to give up something.

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William Lewis  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:19:38pm
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Belafon  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:19:54pm

re: #106 sagehen

Probably, but not necessarily. If the CBO score shows it deficit neutral, and the billionaire’s tax is out, but the child tax credit stays in, Romney might think of all the large Mormon families who’ll like it. Murkowski might think of what the climate change portions will mean to her Inuit voters. And some of the retiring Republican senators might vote for it just to stick it to the faction that’s the reason they’re having to retire.

Or they might think of the next set of tax cuts and how they can obtain the majority.

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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:20:55pm

re: #113 Belafon

shoulda doesn’t mean woulda

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:21:08pm

I’m just saying that you don’t always get all you want. I think had the Congressional crossover been better, we’d have a higher number today. I don’t like Manchin anymore than anyone else but him being 50 gives him leverage. So next year, they can try to expand the majority in the Senate (it’s not impossible as it happened three years ago) so Manchin-Sinema are no longer the 50th Dem. I can’t condone voting no on this. It’s a good bill and its passage makes BBB more not less likely. I can’t stress that enough.

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sagehen  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:23:31pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

Remember: Republicans win on meaningless slogans and culture war issues, without accomplishing anything. Democrats need to add effective slogans to our arsenal, especially those that demonize Republicans. And not slogans like “defund the police” that are effective in losing votes for us.

Donnie Deutsch was on MSNBC with a good suggestion about that…

A series of ads, for viral youtube but also to air when it’s closer to the election, of people saying “thank you.” Thank you for this bridge. Thank you for rural high-speed internet. Thank you for child tax credit. Thank you for pre-K. Each ad would cover one item only in either BIF or BBB, and it’ll be an endless stream.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:23:49pm

re: #117 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m just saying that you don’t always get all you want. I think had the Congressional crossover been better, we’d have a higher number today. I don’t like Manchin anymore than anyone else but him being 50 gives him leverage. So next year, they can try to expand the majority in the Senate (it’s not impossible as it happened three years ago) so Manchin-Sinema are no longer the 50th Dem. I can’t condone voting no on this. It’s a good bill and its passage makes BBB more not less likely. I can’t stress that enough.

What about passing the BIF makes passing the BBB more likely when every time it comes ready for a vote, there’s suddenly a new “concern” that either means more cuts or more hoops to jump through?

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:23:52pm

re: #117 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Now you know why Jordan is already spouting “Republicans care more about families.”

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gwangung  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:24:03pm

re: #117 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m just saying that you don’t always get all you want. I think had the Congressional crossover been better, we’d have a higher number today. I don’t like Manchin anymore than anyone else but him being 50 gives him leverage. So next year, they can try to expand the majority in the Senate (it’s not impossible as it happened three years ago) so Manchin-Sinema are no longer the 50th Dem. I can’t condone voting no on this. It’s a good bill and its passage makes BBB more not less likely. I can’t stress that enough.

But they had no other leverage than this. AND THEY GOT NOTHING FOR IT.

Saying “you don’t always get all you want” is pretty fatuous.

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EPR-radar  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:24:16pm

re: #117 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m just saying that you don’t always get all you want. I think had the Congressional crossover been better, we’d have a higher number today. I don’t like Manchin anymore than anyone else but him being 50 gives him leverage. So next year, they can try to expand the majority in the Senate (it’s not impossible as it happened three years ago) so Manchin-Sinema are no longer the 50th Dem. I can’t condone voting no on this. It’s a good bill and its passage makes BBB more not less likely. I can’t stress that enough.

I don’t understand the bolded part at all. Now that D moderates (Manchin + Sinema above all, but I’m sure there are a few in the House) have passed the only spending they want to do between now and Nov 22, why does that improve the chances for BBB?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:25:53pm

I hope the Big Infrastructure Bill will include plenty of work for architects, artists, and craftspeople so Americans will have a new crop of WPA style structures to admire in the next century.


Winged Figures of the Republic, Hoover Dam
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Belafon  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:26:28pm

Manchin and Sinema aren’t going to vote for it just because it’s revenue neutral.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:27:30pm

re: #124 Belafon

Manchin and Sinema aren’t going to vote for it just because it’s revenue neutral.

Well why not? They voted for the BIF and it’s nowhere near being revenue neutral.

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danarchy  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:27:32pm

As far as I am concerned the infrastructure bill should have passed the House and been on Biden’s desk the day after it cleared the Senate. Holding the first major legislation passed with bipartisan support in years hostage for a political wish list was always bullshit.

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darthstar  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:28:38pm

re: #124 Belafon

Manchin and Sinema aren’t going to vote for it just because it’s revenue neutral.

Needs to be revenue positive…no, revenue positive +10%…no, revenue positive +20%…no, revenue positive +30%

The goalposts need to be set in concrete.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:28:54pm

re: #126 danarchy

As far as I am concerned the infrastructure bill should have passed the House and been on Biden’s desk the day after it cleared the Senate. Holding the first major legislation passed with bipartisan support in years hostage for a political wish list was always bullshit.

That “wish list” is all the things that Biden ran on and endorsed the passage of.

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gwangung  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:29:39pm

re: #126 danarchy

As far as I am concerned the infrastructure bill should have passed the House and been on Biden’s desk the day after it cleared the Senate. Holding the first major legislation passed with bipartisan support in years hostage for a political wish list was always bullshit.

They called it “playing hardball” when I was growing up.

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danarchy  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:29:49pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

That “wish list” is all the things that Biden ran on and endorsed the passage of.

Then fight for it and pass it on it’s own merits if you can.

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darthstar  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:30:33pm

re: #126 danarchy

As far as I am concerned the infrastructure bill should have passed the House and been on Biden’s desk the day after it cleared the Senate. Holding the first major legislation passed with bipartisan support in years hostage for a political wish list was always bullshit.

Agreed. Get the bipartisan bill signed ASAP, bask in the positive press and adulation for a few weeks, and then say “NOW EXCUSE US WHILE WE WHIP THIS OUT!” and show them the Economy schlong…people would be fawning over it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:31:13pm

re: #130 danarchy

Then fight for it and pass it on it’s own merits if you can.

You mean like the BIF that only got out of the Senate because Dem “moderates” made an empty promise?

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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:33:21pm

I know we all want to see both pass, and I’ll guess we’ll see what we’ll see. And not a minute sooner.

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darthstar  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:34:38pm

re: #133 retired cynic

I know we all want to see both pass, and I’ll guess we’ll see what we’ll see. And not a minute sooner.

We’ll see what we see when we see it unless we blink and then we won’t see what we would have seen if we hadn’t blinked.

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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:35:02pm

re: #134 darthstar

That’s it!

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:35:36pm

re: #134 darthstar

We’ll see what we see when we see it unless we blink and then we won’t see what we would have seen if we hadn’t blinked.

I don’t see it.

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darthstar  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:35:50pm

re: #135 retired cynic

That’s it!

I’m gettin’ good at this politickin’ shit. Watch out Linkin’ Project…

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darthstar  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:42:43pm

Friend of mine is doing yet another Baja 1000 try…(it’s actually 1250 miles)…he made it 70 miles last time he tried.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:43:13pm

I do enjoy the optimism that says that after weeks of bitching that the media will never give us a fair shake and everything is played against us, we’re now going to enjoy total credit this bill and not have it treated like a high school group project where the guy who put in the least effort (Repubs) still gets to share the credit for the project getting an “A.”

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stpaulbear  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:44:57pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Clickbait.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2021 • 9:49:02pm

As someone here (don’t recall who) pointed out last week(?), Hillary’s big infrastructure proposal was $275 billion; this is a $1 Trillion package. It’s huge and it’s wrong to dismiss it as nothing. It’s a miracle to get something this large through such a divided Congress and it will do a lot to help our nation. This is amazing on its own; neither FDR nor Johnson could have been so successful on domestic policy if they were handicapped by the small narrow margins the Democrats have today.

If this country really wanted progressive legislation, it would be voting for more Democrats. But we lost seats in the House, and that was before we had to face all the new gerrymandering and voter suppression now being adopted.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 10:01:21pm

re: #141 Hecuba’s daughter

As someone here (don’t recall who) pointed out last week(?), Hillary’s big infrastructure proposal was $275 billion; this is a $1 Trillion package. It’s huge and it’s wrong to dismiss it as nothing. It’s a miracle to get something this large through such a divided Congress and it will do a lot to help our nation. This is amazing on its own; neither FDR nor Johnson could have been so successful on domestic policy if they were handicapped by the small narrow margins the Democrats have today.

If this country really wanted progressive legislation, it would be voting for more Democrats. But we lost seats in the House, and that was before we had to face all the new gerrymandering and voter suppression now being adopted.

I don’t know where this is coming from, because progressives are not dismissing it, they’re upset that the only thing that Congress seems good at is corporate welfare. When it comes to actually helping people out on a personal level, like making sure they don’t go broke when they get sick or attending college for two years without breaking the bank, suddenly we’re being asked to slow things down and wait until after the next big election when we can have what we were promised in the last election dangled over our heads as incentive to give them a “mandate.”

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 10:05:06pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 10:06:36pm

Oh, and can we please pick a lane? It’s sounding rather ridiculous to argue that Dems losing seats in the last election means that progressive proposals aren’t supported by the voting public and so we shouldn’t pursue them until after the midterms and declare the BIF as a massive progressive bill that Biden was elected to pass which will win us the midterms.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 5, 2021 • 10:11:28pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 10:17:06pm

Pay attention to the headline and what it doesn’t say:

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mmmirele  Nov 5, 2021 • 10:20:59pm

re: #43 Sherlock Hound

Attention, mmmirele! The link between Fundamentalists, MLM’s and Sinema:

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THANK YOU!

Now I joke about underwire bras being invented by Satan, but if there is a hell, MLMs were birthed in it. Unless you own the company or are at the very top of the sales pyramid, you’re being ripped off. Period, end of story. And the *real money* is not in selling products, but recruiting others to your downline where they have to buy product to get in, buy product to level up, and keep buying…

I left a comment on this picture from Insta earlier today. Based on what I read in a quick search, at her rank, she would get a 25 percent commission on sales. But that’s not where the money is made. The money is made in recruitment, and that’s the case for every single MLM out there.

/sorry not sorry to rant, MLMs are *filth* and they prey on the most desperate!

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William Lewis  Nov 5, 2021 • 10:30:00pm

Hint for SF fans: If you don’t know the book

A History of What Comes Next
(Take Them to the Stars #1)
by Sylvain Neuvel

Find a copy and devour it. Exquisite.

From Goodreads:

Showing that truth is stranger than fiction, Sylvain Neuvel weaves a scfi thriller reminiscent of Blake Crouch and Andy Weir, blending a fast moving, darkly satirical look at 1940s rocketry with an exploration of the amorality of progress and the nature of violence in A History of What Comes Next.

Always run, never fight.
Preserve the knowledge.
Survive at all costs.
Take them to the stars.

Over 99 identical generations, Mia’s family has shaped human history to push them to the stars, making brutal, wrenching choices and sacrificing countless lives. Her turn comes at the dawn of the age of rocketry. Her mission: to lure Wernher Von Braun away from the Nazi party and into the American rocket program, and secure the future of the space race.

But Mia’s family is not the only group pushing the levers of history: an even more ruthless enemy lurks behind the scenes.

A darkly satirical first contact thriller, as seen through the eyes of the women who make progress possible and the men who are determined to stop them…

Back to reading it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 10:42:43pm

If we’re doing book recommendations, this little number finally reached my doorstep this past week and has been a fascinating read:

Immune: A Journey into the Mysterious System That Keeps You Alive

It’s written by Philipp Dettmer, the guy who started the Youtube channel Kurzgesagt (“In A Nutshell”), an awesome science channel that uses animation to tackle a variety of topics in ways that are amazing in how in-depth and yet simple they can be. Here’s the latest one on the very topic of the book:

You Are Immune Against Every Disease

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A Cranky One  Nov 5, 2021 • 10:47:46pm

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 11:07:24pm

re: #148 William Lewis

I’ll check it out. There is some seriously apocalyptic literature centering on von Braun and the V-2. Gravity’s Rainbow by Thomas Pinchon, for example, made a lasting impression on me.

A non-fiction work, Arthur C. Clarke’s The Rocket and the Future of Warfare, illustrates the profound impression it made on contemporary thinkers. Arthur, still a serving officer at the time, wrote this for an RAF contest in August 1945. He won the contest and £50. It discusses the implications of combining long range rockets with atomic weapons. This was written within 2 weeks of the Nagasaki attack. One sentence, about fallout, has stuck with me for some reason. “All reports emphasize the intolerable brilliance of the explosion, yet this is only the tiniest fraction of the total actinic output.” This visionary essay is reproduced in Clarke’s Ascent to Orbit, the big collection of his non-fiction writings.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 5, 2021 • 11:20:03pm

re: #138 darthstar

Friend of mine is doing yet another Baja 1000 try…(it’s actually 1250 miles)…he made it 70 miles last time he tried.

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At 120 MPH the old ‘63 bugs really had issues with turns.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 11:21:38pm
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plansbandc  Nov 5, 2021 • 11:24:54pm

The Kaepernick show on Netflix is quite good. Infuriating, of course, but good. I just wish more people who would benefit from watching it would watch it. But we know they won’t.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 5, 2021 • 11:25:10pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Party on, Garth.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 11:28:13pm

re: #155 Dread Pirate Ron

Party on, Garth.

Hell of it is, there was a stampede when the gates opened at the same event this afternoon. Three people were treated for injuries. That confused the news coverage quite a bit. This is apparently a separate and much worse event.

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William Lewis  Nov 5, 2021 • 11:30:14pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2021 • 11:41:23pm

re: #157 William Lewis

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Shortest horror story:

The last man on Earth sat alone in a room.

There was a knock on the door.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 5, 2021 • 11:53:35pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

Shortest horror story:

The last man on Earth sat alone in a room.

There was a knock on the door.

Thing is, it was the closet door.

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plansbandc  Nov 5, 2021 • 11:53:40pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

uh oh

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 6, 2021 • 12:12:38am

You don’t have to ride like that to enjoy or use e-bikes…

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2021 • 2:09:08am

Jurassic Park but with a Cat

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Dangerman  Nov 6, 2021 • 2:29:40am

Southwest employee suspected white mom with Black daughter of human trafficking, called police

Nbc

This is never gonna stop is it?

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steve_davis  Nov 6, 2021 • 2:33:52am

re: #75 retired cynic

I don’t blame you, truly. And you are right about terriers. But these had been socialized from birth, raised in a home with cats and little children, and had met me and my cats. The cat didn’t even run, she didn’t expect trouble. They just arrived and went to it. The owner put them down, because they were around small dogs, cats and children all the time, and they assumed if they did it once, they would do it again. Perhaps one at a time, they would not have thought of it.

Yeah, my downstairs neighbor has to look after her son’s pit bull. She’s constantly in danger of getting pulled off her feet when he decides he wants to investigate something. If he ever goes after her or someone else, she won’t have a chance.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2021 • 2:34:35am

re: #163 Dangerman

Southwest employee suspected white mom with Black daughter of human trafficking, called police

Nbc

This is never gonna stop is it?

It will stop once it becomes unprofitable to corporations to abide by racism. So long as “It’s just one person” remains the way people in management view incidents like these, it’s going to keep happening.

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Dangerman  Nov 6, 2021 • 2:35:28am
The 17-year-old son of Virginia Gov.-elect Glenn Youngkin (R) tried unsuccessfully to vote in Tuesday’s gubernatorial election, but officials say he didn’t break any election laws, The Washington Post reported Friday.

Youngkin’s son, who hasn’t been identified because he’s a minor, reportedly tried to vote twice at Great Falls Library in Fairfax County,

In a statement, a spokesperson for the governor-elect’s campaign said the younger Youngkin “honestly misunderstood Virginia election law and simply asked polling officials if he was eligible to vote; when informed he was not, he went to school.”

So if you’re turned away it’s not a crime to try

And that last para is bullshit

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2021 • 2:40:51am

re: #166 Dangerman

So if you’re turned away it’s not a crime to try

And that last para is bullshit

Made an honest mistake, which is why he returned later to try again and got turned away a second time. Like I said yesterday, only thing missing from this whole encounter was the stereotypical rich white kid “DO YOU KNOW WHO MY DAD IS!?” douchebag cry.

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steve_davis  Nov 6, 2021 • 2:43:31am

re: #93 Belafon

Nope, but they got screwed because the other two didn’t give up anything.

The House is not under any obligation, to my knowledge, to send the bill over to the senate until they feel like it. There may be a silent agreement already with manchin and sinema concerning what will be in pt. 2 and now it may just be a case of getting the legislative language right.

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ericblair  Nov 6, 2021 • 2:54:11am

re: #167 Targetpractice

Like I said yesterday, only thing missing from this whole encounter was the stereotypical rich white kid “DO YOU KNOW WHO MY DAD IS!?” douchebag cry.

“What, your mom never told you?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 3:05:25am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

It was really for the parents who have no other day care options, and the business owners who need those parents at their jobs to keep making money. It’s a function of the dysfunctional society the right has been constructing for decades, with all safety nets gone.

People refuse to let go of a social system in which the mother stayed home to raise the kids, working at most part-time while father was the breadwinner.

That economic/social model was dead by the 90’s but it is still held up as a moral model.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 3:25:17am

re: #123 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I hope the Big Infrastructure Bill will include plenty of work for architects, artists, and craftspeople so Americans will have a new crop of WPA style structures to admire in the next century.

Winged Figures of the Republic, Hoover Dam

It will contain ample opportunities for Fox to rant about government waste and (Democratic) cronyism

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 6, 2021 • 3:28:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 3:30:33am

re: #172 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

“Agent Kay : A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.”

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The Squire of Logos  Nov 6, 2021 • 3:36:44am

re: #148 William Lewis

Thank you. I’m always on the lookout for a sci-fi work I may have missed.

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The Squire of Logos  Nov 6, 2021 • 3:54:55am

re: #85 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

If not a primary, maybe a lot of uncomfortable questions.

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The Squire of Logos  Nov 6, 2021 • 4:01:25am

re: #74 ipsos

The Nightfly is a magnificent album and it is quite the audio delight!

Here’s a favorite riff on the cover.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 6, 2021 • 4:13:25am

Tip off to a nefarious feline plan?

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2021 • 4:26:20am

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was really for the parents who have no other day care options, and the business owners who need those parents at their jobs to keep making money. It’s a function of the dysfunctional society the right has been constructing for decades, with all safety nets gone.

People refuse to let go of a social system in which the mother stayed home to raise the kids, working at most part-time while father was the breadwinner.

That economic/social model was dead by the 90’s but it is still held up as a moral model.

Meanwhile, the reality is that such a household as generally imagined (bread-winner husband, wife who only leaves house to do chores) was only really achievable for a short period in the mid-20th. What killed it? “Keeping up with the Joneses” and the idea that the measure of your worth (and your devotion to capitalism) was having the money to buy as much frivolous shit as possible. The more appliances that made Mom’s life “easier,” the more time she had to go out to work for a little more “spending money.”

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steve_davis  Nov 6, 2021 • 4:44:36am

I’ve owned the 59 Lazarus for a week now and I already have the Seymourian Dwarves hard at work spinning me up a set of Peter Green humbuckers to replace the burstbuckers (which I have absolutely no complaints about, but I absolutely love Peter Green’s tone, at least before he sold his 59 Les Paul to the really good blues artist whose name I can’t remember at the moment).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 5:22:56am

re: #179 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the reality is that such a household as generally imagined (bread-winner husband, wife who only leaves house to do chores) was only really achievable for a short period in the mid-20th. What killed it? “Keeping up with the Joneses” and the idea that the measure of your worth (and your devotion to capitalism) was having the money to buy as much frivolous shit as possible. The more appliances that made Mom’s life “easier,” the more time she had to go out to work for a little more “spending money.”

My dad, for example, member of the Steelworkers’ Union. His blue-collar salary afforded us a house, a car and helped us kids get a (state) university education. Mom stayed at home and ran the household. Did not even learn to drive until after dad died.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2021 • 5:41:49am

re: #180 steve_davis

I’ve owned the 59 Lazarus for a week now and I already have the Seymourian Dwarves hard at work spinning me up a set of Peter Green humbuckers to replace the burstbuckers (which I have absolutely no complaints about, but I absolutely love Peter Green’s tone, at least before he sold his 59 Les Paul to the really good blues artist whose name I can’t remember at the moment).

You sent me down a rabbit hole. So apparently it went to Gary Moore and ended up in the hands of Kirk Hammett. Green got it for $300 in 1966, sold it to Moore for $300, Moore sold it to someone and it went on private market for awhile until Hammett bought it for $2million in 2013. Wow. I guess the trick is to turn one of the pickups around.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 6, 2021 • 5:42:58am

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My dad was a steelworker too. We had a nice house, typical subdivision,nothing fancy but it worked. The house still looks the same, the neighborhood hasn’t changed much. Mom was able to be home with 3 kids and had a nice car. We went to good schools and had mostly everything a typical kid has in America. I didn’t realize it til a lot of years later but we were lucky and at the end of that generation where one income could pretty much support a family.

My dad actually got talked into quitting that union job and joined Amway because a high school friend of his was in it. My parents made money at it, til they didn’t. That’s the thing with MLM schemes, once you suck everyone in convincing them that they just need customers for this foolproof product line and poof! Instant Success! Then you run out of customers because all your friends are distributors too. So no college for me. Or my siblings. I’m a baby boomer who didn’t get the perks of that generation. About 8 yrs after my parents joined Amway my dad had to go back to work at a different job, worked for Georgia Pacific as a warehouse manager. Less pay, less union protection. Now my dad has fallen for a reverse mortgage scam and is a member of some conservative rip off version of AARP because the actual AARP is a “liberal scam”. I can’t.

One of the biggest scams pulled on the American people has been the idea that labor unions are of the devil. They use corrupt unions in NYC as the only example of all unions and how bad they are. Instead of looking at why unions are needed in the first place.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 5:47:54am

re: #183 A Mom Anon

One of the biggest scams pulled on the American people has been the idea that labor unions are of the devil. They use corrupt unions in NYC as the only example of all unions and how bad they are. Instead of looking at why unions are needed in the first place.

Ronald Reagan put the nail in the coffin of American Unionism while wrecking public education.

We are living the consequences of his actions.

I am all in favor of individual initiative and personal responsibility, but they have managed to convince people that individuals and families with limited resources and incomes should be expected to negotiate one-on-one with multi-billion-dollar international corporations for terms of employment, insurance coverage and financial services, because anything else would be Socialism.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2021 • 5:52:02am

re: #180 steve_davis

I’ve owned the 59 Lazarus for a week now and I already have the Seymourian Dwarves hard at work spinning me up a set of Peter Green humbuckers to replace the burstbuckers (which I have absolutely no complaints about, but I absolutely love Peter Green’s tone, at least before he sold his 59 Les Paul to the really good blues artist whose name I can’t remember at the moment).

I’m so not musically inclined. Until you said Les Paul, I had no idea what you were talking about. 🙁

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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2021 • 5:57:02am

Good morning!

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:02:01am

The (fake, phony) Reagan era of ‘personal responsibility” messaging has been over for decades now. It started dying in the 90’s when the new messaging of “Freedom” started being the operating propaganda from Republicans.

We are now living in the era of “freedom” without any sense of responsibility and this messaging directly led to Tea Party lunatics, loony evil government officials like DeSantis
and Abbott, and a direct war against science and intellectuals.

Freedom without any sort of responsibility is the operating strategy in Republican messaging, and it has worked like a charm to persuade voters to vote against their own best self-interest by re-defining what self-interest is. It used to be a middle class lifestyle on a blue-collar salary was the operating self-interest in decades past. Now best self-interest is defined by Republicans as how cruel one can be towards other people, the ability to grift and lie, and how to propagate a pandemic because….. Freedom.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:04:41am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ronald Reagan put the nail in the coffin of American Unionism while wrecking public education.

We are living the consequences of his actions.

I am all in favor of individual initiative and personal responsibility, but they have managed to convince people that individuals and families with limited resources and incomes should be expected to negotiate one-on-one with multi-billion-dollar international corporations for terms of employment, insurance coverage and financial services, because anything else would be Socialism.

Please. “Personal responsibility” only applies to poor people or rather not well off people. It’s a canard of worth and it never applies to anything other than “those people who suck at the teat of social services, those who steal our tax dollars”.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:10:57am

Just like with Alec Baldwin, The Right are exploiting another tragedy to attack Travis Scott. Disgusting.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:20:49am
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:21:11am

re: #158 Targetpractice

Shortest horror story:

The last man on Earth sat alone in a room.

There was a knock on the door.

That’s a horror story? It must be his ex-wife from a very bad marriage at the door.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:23:24am

re: #190 Belafon

they should just weld two forks together

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Dangerman  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:27:53am

re: #185 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m so not musically inclined. Until you said Les Paul, I had no idea what you were talking about. 🙁

Kids and their lingo

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:28:08am

re: #190 Belafon

What the heck? Why would anyone actually think Christmas lights go that way? Every single wall plug in a house is female.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:28:38am

I’m still on the side that thinks that the progressives are going to get screwed out of stuff they ran on, while Manchin will get credit for things he didn’t really want, but I do agree with all of this:

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:30:12am

re: #194 Dopamine Fish

What the heck? Why would anyone actually think Christmas lights go that way? Every single wall plug in a house is female.

When I put up lights, I start the first strand close to where I am putting power, and then connect the next one to it. I guess not everyone does that.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:31:05am
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Dangerman  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:33:41am

re: #196 Belafon

When I put up lights, I start the first strand close to where I am putting power, and then connect the next one to it. I guess not everyone does that.

There are people who wont get vaccinated, or wear a mask, or…

This idiocy is 100% predictable

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Dangerman  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:35:24am

re: #197 Belafon

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Imo Too many are too young to have experienced that firsthand and that explains a lot

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:38:07am

re: #195 Belafon

I’m still on the side that thinks that the progressives are going to get screwed out of stuff they ran on, while Manchin will get credit for things he didn’t really want, but I do agree with all of this:

…all we know is that Americans cannot afford gas for their 12-mpg SUV’s or milk for their 13 children and that is all the President’s fault for being a Democrat.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:40:36am

re: #199 Dangerman

Imo Too many are too young to have experienced that firsthand and that explains a lot

One of the replies was:

I really do think the writer of Exodus over-embelleshed. God didn’t need to harden the hearts of the Egyptians.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:43:36am

I figured they’d go there:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:44:58am

re: #202 Belafon

Attorneys general in 11 states filed suit against President Biden’s administration, challenging a new vaccine requirement for workers at companies with more than 100 employees. The lawsuit argues the authority to compel vaccinations rests with the states.

If those states can guarantee that their Covid viruses will not cross state lines, then they might have a case.

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nines09  Nov 6, 2021 • 6:51:42am
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Semper Fi  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:05:05am

re: #204 nines09

I don’t know about the extent of accuracy in what you say but that sounds like her.

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steve_davis  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:05:16am

re: #182 Barefoot Grin

You sent me down a rabbit hole. So apparently it went to Gary Moore and ended up in the hands of Kirk Hammett. Green got it for $300 in 1966, sold it to Moore for $300, Moore sold it to someone and it went on private market for awhile until Hammett bought it for $2million in 2013. Wow. I guess the trick is to turn one of the pickups around.

:-) Partly, yeah, but apparently there’s slightly more to it because Seymour Duncan wants 340 bucks for a neck and bridge set of the little blighters.

Oh, and here’s Gary Moore playing with B.B. King:

Youtube Video

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The Squire of Logos  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:07:49am

re: #206 steve_davis

:-) Partly, yeah, but apparently there’s slightly more to it because Seymour Duncan wants 340 bucks for a neck and bridge set of the little blighters.

Ouch!

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:08:43am

re: #147 mmmirele

Memories of my aunt and uncle involved with Shaklee…

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nines09  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:12:05am

re: #205 Semper Fi

What’s even worse is she deflated its tires so it can’t even leave.

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:13:28am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ronald Reagan put the nail in the coffin of American Unionism while wrecking public education.

We are living the consequences of his actions.

I am all in favor of individual initiative and personal responsibility, but they have managed to convince people that individuals and families with limited resources and incomes should be expected to negotiate one-on-one with multi-billion-dollar international corporations for terms of employment, insurance coverage and financial services, because anything else would be Socialism.

Grandma and Grandpa Bacon were blacklisted, harassed and beaten by the Coal & Iron Police while they led the CIO organizing drives that led the the formation of the United Steelworkers Union.

I’m the only grandchild of theirs who is a Union backer.

And every one of their great grandchildren hate and despise “communist” unions…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:13:40am

re: #209 nines09

What’s even worse is she deflated its tires so it can’t even leave.

when the engine broke down, she called a faith healer to mend her carbuerator

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:18:31am

re: #211 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

when the engine broke down, she called a faith healer to mend her carbuerator

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A Mom Anon  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:25:21am

re: #199 Dangerman

Too many are too young to remember the polio vaccines, but the ones bitching the loudest most likely got their smallpox vaccines at school. Schools had mass vaccination sites for all the kids and parents if they hadn’t had them. I was in kindergarten when I got mine, first day of school. My mom was there, because I was a girl and had the option to get the shot on my hip so the scar wouldn’t be on my arm. There was no protesting or other such crap. A classmate’s grandpa got his when his granddaughter did in line in front of us.

They had every other fucking vaccine that every kid needed for school and every person joining active duty service had to have to fight in wars. They’re selfish assholes who are damaged and dangerous and they never ever should have been coddled as much as they have.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:26:35am

re: #186 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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A Mom Anon  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:30:32am

Seen online: a new name for Aaron Rodgers….

Q-Aaron…

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:38:22am

Bacon is out of the oven, breakfast potatoes (first round - I may have gone overboard) are on the stove top frying up.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:42:19am
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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:42:21am

Good morning Lizards.

Just watched the POTUS speak and still and dumbfounded that the crazed wingnuts still try and push the lie that he is out of it?

I doubt we will ever see the BBB bill become law but we were really close to getting absolutely nothing. Standing ground on a losing hand which costs you some other real gains is not good politicking imho.

You go to legislate with the Congress you have, not the Congress you wish you had.

//

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:45:45am

re: #217 Belafon

Just waiting for the Antivaxxers to become the Antipillers!

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:48:43am

re: #219 JOE 🥓

Just waiting for the Antivaxxers to become the Antipillers!

Naah. They’ll take this because it means they can avoid the vaccine. They’re willing to suffer for their cause. The problem is that they will wait too long before getting it.

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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:50:46am

re: #219 JOE 🥓

Just waiting for the Antivaxxers to become the Antipillers!

Somehow they will be confident of the science, ingredients and long term effects from an even newer, unfamiliar and cutting edge drug……

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:52:39am

re: #220 Belafon

Naah. They’ll take this because it means they can avoid the vaccine. They’re willing to suffer for their cause. The problem is that they will wait too long before getting it.

They’ll be turning up at the hospital, still in denial that they even have COVID, and when it finally sinks in, they’ll ask for the pills, only to be told that it’s too late for them.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:53:02am
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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 7:56:08am
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:00:18am

re: #224 JOE 🥓

Because they read and understood the abstract when others did not.

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nines09  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:04:56am
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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:05:00am

Remember when Shithead said everyone in America had access to “crystal-clear water”?

Joe is going to do what Shithead didn’t.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:06:16am

I usually get up around 5am, but this morning I slept until 7:30. I would have slept longer, but I felt like I had a great weight on my chest. It was a 65lbs dog. “Sir, I’d like to talk to you about your extended warranty…. But first if you wouldn’t mind filling my bowl and taking me for a walk,” she said.

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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:06:18am

LOL.

NOW CNN is telling us what is in the infrastructure bill.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:07:16am

re: #227 JOE 🥓

As I have said before Go Joe. :)

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:10:02am

re: #229 b.d. (The war is over)

LOL.

NOW CNN is telling us what is in the infrastructure bill.

That way newly elected Republicans can claim credit for the work they did.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:12:13am

re: #201 Belafon

Wow, that totally wasn’t the tweet I wanted. That’s what I get for posting in a hurry. Here’s the one I wanted:

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:12:46am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Agent Kay : A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.”

After seeing what is posted online in social media, I would have to say that Agent K is partly wrong. A person, even one highly educated, is often gullible and foolish.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:13:17am

re: #212 JOE 🥓

I learned this week that a Spanish word for appliances is electrodomesticos.

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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:15:28am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:16:50am

re: #233 Hecuba’s daughter

After seeing what is posted online in social media, I would have to say that Agent K is partly wrong. A person, even one highly educated, is often gullible and foolish.

My (ex-) GF has a Masters in Economics from Beijing University and works for the German Federal Reserve and still fell down the QAnon rabbit hole to the point that I could no longer talk to her…

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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:17:11am

re: #234 Belafon

I learned this week that a Spanish word for appliances is electrodomesticos.

A subset are also known as Rosies.

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:18:09am
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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:20:52am

#PresidentBrandonGetsThingsDone

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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:20:56am

re: #238 JOE 🥓

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oy. I have never shoved anyone into a locker before but for some reason I am getting the urge to do it…….

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:22:04am

re: #240 b.d. (The war is over)

oy. I have never shoved anyone into a locker before but for some reason I am getting the urge to do it…….

I’ve seen stronger looking noodles from Grandma’s pasta machine.

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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:23:23am

re: #241 JOE 🥓

I’ve seen stronger looking noodles from Grandma’s pasta machine.

lol

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JC1  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:24:39am

re: #236 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My (ex-) GF has a Masters in Economics from Beijing University and works for the German Federal Reserve and still fell down the QAnon rabbit hole to the point that I could no longer talk to her…

Intelligence is no proof against faulty reasoning. Most people make emotional decisions and use their intelligence to rationalize those decisions. Being highly intelligent just makes one better at rationalizing. Even if one is aware of various cognitive biases, it takes a concerted effort not to start believing some nonsense, and even then sometimes something slips through. TLDR: humans are not rational actors.

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:25:22am

re: #242 b.d. (The war is over)

lol

Even these are stronger than Benjyboy!

Popeil’s Pasta Maker ad

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William Lewis  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:25:57am
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jaunte  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:26:34am

Higgins vs. Covid

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:29:00am

Breakfast potatoes fried, seasoned, and now consumed. I have a bit of cleanup left to do, but otherwise, breakfast/brunch is done. My special treat to my family for what is, for them, a long weekend. (I still have to work on Monday.)

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:30:03am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:30:51am

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Tip off to a nefarious feline plan?

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So you thought that whole “slice of bread over the cats head” was so funny, huh? Who’s laughing now.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:33:03am
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Dopamine Fish  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:33:18am

Can we please, PLEASE, get rid of this annoying fucker:

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:37:17am

re: #251 Dopamine Fish

Can we please, PLEASE, get rid of this annoying fucker:

Bullshit, Crackhead Mike! You do care who we are and you will not stop until you force your asinine religion on us.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:37:21am

re: #251 Dopamine Fish

All machines? He is out of his mind.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:39:25am

re: #252 JOE 🥓

Bullshit, Crackhead Mike! You do care who we are and you will not stop until you force your asinine religion on us.

I saw one from Josh Mandel, an R candidate from Ohio, where he said explicitly, “I don’t believe there should be separation of church and state.” That is… extremely troubling.

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:40:34am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:42:41am

re: #179 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the reality is that such a household as generally imagined (bread-winner husband, wife who only leaves house to do chores) was only really achievable for a short period in the mid-20th. What killed it? “Keeping up with the Joneses” and the idea that the measure of your worth (and your devotion to capitalism) was having the money to buy as much frivolous shit as possible. The more appliances that made Mom’s life “easier,” the more time she had to go out to work for a little more “spending money.”

My narrative is different.

After WWII, the rest of the developed world was in ruins, while we escaped relatively unscathed and had no real competition and reigned supreme in the 1950’s. Our government passed big programs to help the rest of the world recover and our advantage withered away, especially when our competitors were not stuck with old infrastructure but rebuilt their nations, courtesy of our assistance. The beginning of the computer revolution and the technology revolution dramatically changed the rules — and many good jobs vanished thanks to less expensive overseas production and replacement of humans by machines. Our companies also remained fat and blind to these changes for decades while the Japanese slowly dominated auto industry, as a result of incompetent, short-sighted management here.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:45:22am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:55:06am

re: #255 JOE 🥓

Politicians all seize on news that benefits them and harms their opponents, as do the media that support them. Both left and right engage in this practice. Like Biden in the clip you posted, Rachel Maddow also emphasized the large job gains in her program last evening and how they were larger than those under TFG.

If you are going to be honest, the huge job gain under Biden cannot be compared to the job gains under Trump. The Trump gains were a continuation of the strong economy left him by Obama, and increases are always going to be smaller when starting with low employment. With Biden, the job gains are mostly people returning to jobs that went vacant during the pandemic; not new jobs but workers filling existing jobs.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 6, 2021 • 8:59:40am

re: #257 jaunte

As sagehen mentioned in #118 above, the Democrats should be running personalized attack ads in each district of a Republican who voted against the legislation, and McClain looks like a good place to start.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:01:03am

So it’s like Infrastructure week for REAL this time????

Sweet. 👍🏼

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:01:38am
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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:03:53am

re: #238 JOE 🥓

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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:06:53am

re: #257 jaunte

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While you were sleeping, the Democrats passed their “infrastructure” bill. I voted no because it is filled with pork & only 10% is actual infrastructure. Michigan’s roads and bridges need repairs, but the wasteful spending in this bill will harm America for generations to come.

Translation from Republicanese: Infrastructure is what I bring home to my constituents. Pork and other wasteful spending are what the Democrats bring home to theirs.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:08:00am

re: #263 jeffreyw

“I keep my lies simple and sloppy because I know you ignoramuses will never check up on me.”

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:09:06am

Truly outrageous disrespect from the GOP to their (nominal) constituents.

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:10:53am

re: #263 jeffreyw

Translation from Republicanese: Infrastructure is what I bring home to my constituents. Pork and other wasteful spending are what the Democrats bring home to theirs colored people.

That is what that Karen Republican is really inferring!

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:13:35am

re: #265 jaunte

Truly outrageous disrespect from the GOP to their (nominal) constituents.

CINOs: Constituents In Name Only.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:14:16am

re: #267 Dopamine Fish

lol

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A Cranky One  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:15:48am

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:31:20am

re: #256 Hecuba’s daughter

My narrative is different.

After WWII, the rest of the developed world was in ruins, while we escaped relatively unscathed and had no real competition and reigned supreme in the 1950’s. Our government passed big programs to help the rest of the world recover and our advantage withered away, especially when our competitors were not stuck with old infrastructure but rebuilt their nations, courtesy of our assistance. The beginning of the computer revolution and the technology revolution dramatically changed the rules — and many good jobs vanished thanks to less expensive overseas production and replacement of humans by machines. Our companies also remained fat and blind to these changes for decades while the Japanese slowly dominated auto industry, as a result of incompetent, short-sighted management here.

This.
Thomas Piketty, in his unfortunately disregarded Capital In The 21st Century*, made this precise point. It’s a little more pronounced in the US (as we were the least-damaged of all the “developed” world economies post-War - quite the opposite). Our ideas of how economic structures should operate were, and to some extent still are, governed by the notions of unending “growth” and its corresponding “prosperity” and, as noted, its effect on social structures, common from the late 1940s though, really 1980. An entire generation (in the US, anyway) was born, grew up, and has now aged into “seniority” with set ideas of how the economy and society “should” work. And that those ideas have been proved inadequate by events is a truth all too many people don’t want to face.

*C21C got disparaged mainly because 1) French; and, because Piketty opined that the relentless upward distribution of global wealth might not be a good thing, 2) Commie.

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mmmirele  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:36:22am

re: #199 Dangerman

Imo Too many are too young to have experienced that firsthand and that explains a lot

This is true. I’m 61 and am at the tail end of kids who can remember how awful rubella was, particularly to pregnant women and developing fetuses (miscarriages and deformities). The vaccine came out in 1969 and everyone trooped down to the high school to get it. I’m still trying to figure out what changed. In 1988, I had to get a booster measles vax because there was a tiny outbreak on the main campus of the University of Houston. I was at the law school, we were off in our own little world, but the powers that be didn’t care. It was go get a vaccine or you can’t come back to school.

I want to say it was that asshat Andrew Wakefield (former doctor) and his fake research into the MMR vaccine that changed things, but I knew someone a few years earlier who wanted her kids exempted from vaccine mandates in her Texas school district. I’m thinking that the Internet has exacerbated the worst aspects of humanity. And I used to think the INternet was the greatest thing to happen in my lifetime.

ETA: Joe Biden would have the same memories as my mom, as he’s only a few years younger than her (he turns 79 later this month). He remembers the polio epidemics, he probably had measles sweep through a number of times during his childhood. And maybe there’s a bit of “we olds know better than you” but yeah, “we olds know DO better than you.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:37:22am

re: #270 Jay C

This.
Thomas Piketty, in his unfortunately disregarded Capital In The 21st Century*, made this precise point……

I own that book!! but unfortunately it’s languishing on a bookshelf, unread, like so many others. Sigh, always have good intentions but, as they say, that’s what paves the path to hell.

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mmmirele  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:41:05am

re: #202 Belafon

I figured they’d go there:

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And that will be defeated with a national security argument. Unvaccinated persons, including active duty military personnel in these recalcitrant states, are a threat to military preparedness. I’m sure Biden has some good legal drafter attorneys who can whip up RAH! RAH! RAH! red blooded American patriotism to respond to that kind of nonsense.

ETA: One of the reasons I won’t go back into the office is that there’s no vaccine mandate, I have to sit in a massive room, and I have comorbidities. No job is worth getting sick or killed over. One of my anti-vax coworkers got COVID two months ago. He’s still on leave and expected to be out through New Year’s because although he’s generally recovered, he has serious neuropathies.

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:41:48am

re: #272 Hecuba’s daughter

I own that book!! but unfortunately it’s languishing on a bookshelf, unread, like so many others. Sigh, always have good intentions but, as they say, that’s what paves the path to hell.

I’d def recommend reading it: it’s not an easy work to get through, though Piketty, in contrast to a lot of even “popular” economists, at least tries to frame his ideas in relatable similes (a familiarity with Balzac will help) - and downplay the cold numbers and formulae wherever possible.

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mmmirele  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:47:38am

re: #237 jeffreyw

A subset are also known as Rosies.

After Rosie the robot in the Jetsons?

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sagehen  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:49:23am
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No Malarkey!  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:50:39am

re: #261 jaunte

And they will be at the ribbon cuttings, and will promote the spending in their districts, just as though they had voted for it, and no-one will call them out for it.

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:51:55am
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mmmirele  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:53:22am

re: #254 Dopamine Fish

I saw one from Josh Mandel, an R candidate from Ohio, where he said explicitly, “I don’t believe there should be separation of church and state.” That is… extremely troubling.

Josh Mandel was born into a Jewish family, per Wikipedia. But I’m seriously questioning that…here’s the Forward from late September on this.

Josh Mandel wants to be the next Marjorie Taylor Greene. He’s obscuring his Jewishness to do it.

Josh Mandel, a Republican U.S. Senate candidate in Ohio, is an awful amalgam of Trumpism, neo-fascism and faux-nationalism all wrapped in one spiteful 5-foot-8-inch bundle. His own family can’t stand him.

forward.com

Et cetera. He reminds me of Stephen Miller, also basically disowned by his family and the larger Jewish community.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:53:58am

re: #278 JOE 🥓

I love my PBS. To me that is very addictive.

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:55:34am

re: #279 mmmirele

Josh Mandel was born into a Jewish family, per Wikipedia. But I’m seriously questioning that…here’s the Forward from late September on this.

forward.com

Et cetera. He reminds me of Stephen Miller, also basically disowned by his family and the larger Jewish community.

Steven Miller’s parents are just as racist as he is. Miller’s dad owned several slum properties in Los Angeles. When he was confronted with that he turned into a hard core conservative.

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mmmirele  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:57:07am

re: #262 Belafon

/signed longtime watcher of NASCAR, and will be going over this afternoon to watch NASCAR with my younger brother. If I hear a “Let’s Go Brandon” I’m going to say, sweetly, “we got an infrastructure package, didn’t we?”

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 9:59:24am

Another reason to boycott Southwest.

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mmmirele  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:10:08am

re: #283 JOE 🥓

Another reason to boycott Southwest.

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It used to be that there was a significant difference in price between Southwest and other airlines because of Southwest’s cattle call. The cattle call has now changed, it’s too stressful (ok, I’m an old), there’s really no difference in prices and dammit, I want an assigned seat from the gitgo.

Don’t fly Southwest.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:10:50am

re: #251 Dopamine Fish

Mike Lindell says he is bringing a lawsuit against all machine companies.

Rage Against the Machine Makers

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:12:41am

re: #251 Dopamine Fish

Can we please, PLEASE, get rid of this annoying fucker:

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He won’t do discovery. He’s just blowing smoke.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:13:27am

re: #286 Belafon

He won’t do discovery. He’s just blowing smoke.

I know, it’s just embarrassing that this jackass is still out there flinging poop like a monkey. I wish he’d just go away.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:13:54am

re: #256 Hecuba’s daughter

My narrative is different.

After WWII, the rest of the developed world was in ruins, while we escaped relatively unscathed and had no real competition and reigned supreme in the 1950’s.

Lee Iacocca was hailed as a hero for bailing out Chrysler Corporation with government loan guarantees in the late 70’s, something that ran against every principle of Free Market Capitalism, namely let the market sort out the weaker competitors and leave room for stronger players.

But nobody had the political will to live the consequences of 40,000 unemployed auto workers and another 100K jobs that depended on them…

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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:14:02am

re: #275 mmmirele

After Rosie the robot in the Jetsons?

You got it in one!

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:15:40am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:17:36am
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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:18:37am

re: #280 PhillyPretzel

I love my PBS. To me that is very addictive.

And a far healthier choice. :)

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:19:45am

re: #290 jaunte

Who wore it better?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:23:28am

re: #293 Rightwingconspirator

Who wore it better?

whose flesh is tastier?

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JOE 🥓  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:23:38am

re: #293 Rightwingconspirator

Who wore it better?

Lobster Thermidor is so much more appealing than Wimpyben Thermidor.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:40:20am
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JC1  Nov 6, 2021 • 10:40:30am

re: #284 mmmirele

It used to be that there was a significant difference in price between Southwest and other airlines because of Southwest’s cattle call. The cattle call has now changed, it’s too stressful (ok, I’m an old), there’s really no difference in prices and dammit, I want an assigned seat from the gitgo.

Don’t fly Southwest.

I almost never fly southwest, but they’re the only US airline left that includes 2 checked bags in the price of the ticket. If you’re traveling with luggage and don’t have status with other airlines, it’s usually a good deal.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 6, 2021 • 11:25:51am

re: #253 PhillyPretzel

All machines? He is out of his mind.

He wants the Butlerian Jihad to start now.


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