Kyle Rittenhouse Acquitted of All Charges

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I think this comes as no surprise to anyone who watched the trial, with a judge this blatantly biased in favor of the defendant, but here it is and it’s still maddening: Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty in Kenosha shooting.

The Proud Boys are sure to take this as a license to shoot protesters.

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The GOP is a terrorist organization  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:38:48am

CL’d from downstairs

Maybe someone addressed this here and I missed it, but why didn’t the prosecution request the judge recuse himself after he demonstrated a clear bias in favor of the defense? From not allowing the shooting victims to be described that way to disallowing video of Rittenhouse saying he was there to shoot some rioters, these and other actions made this trial a farce.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:39:18am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:40:04am
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Teddy's Person  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:42:21am

While not surprising, the verdict hit me like a ton of bricks. I held out hope that some sort of justice would prevail. I weep for the VICTIMS and their families today.

“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” ~ Martin Luther King Jr.

In 20 minutes, I’m heading off to Teddy’s water therapy. Swimming around in a 95 degree pool with my beloved Teddy will help heal my soul.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:44:35am

re: #3 Scottish Dragon

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Too bad about Auto Ordnance. I thought their fitted violin case for the Tommy gun showed real panache. Then they came out with their disgusting Trump Commemorative version. I wrote and asked them for an Al Capone Commemorative. They were not amused.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:45:13am

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Too bad about Auto Ordnance. I thought their fitted violin case for the Tommy gun showed real panache. Then they came out with their disgusting Trump Commemorative version. I wrote and asked them for an Al Capone Commemorative. They were not amused.

Yikes, lol

I need a new military foregrip for mine.

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:46:20am
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gocart mozart  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:47:11am
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A Cranky One  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:47:35am

CL’d on the last thread:

re: #493 A Cranky One

Re the earlier discussions about film vs digital, I spent many hours in the darkroom. It was owned by the guy teaching me. One of his primary interests was creating archival quality prints and even back then he was complaining about the archival quality papers disappearing.

When going through my mom’s estate, we found many very old photos of previous generations and family as kids. One of my brothers (who definitely qualifies as a guru) was able to digitize and fix damaged photos. So that history was saved.

But here is the dilemma:

We had prints that were over 100 years old. I’d consider those an archival storage medium.

How archival is digital? Formats change, readers change. Will we have 100 year old photos available in the future?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:47:43am

re: #6 Scottish Dragon

Yikes, lol

Hidden for barbarous idolatry.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:49:51am
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A Cranky One  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:50:10am

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Hidden for barbarous idolatry.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:51:41am

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

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Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:51:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:52:05am
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aatharuv  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:52:42am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

At least some justice was served. Though I do wonder why the officer requested a bench trial rather than a jury trial.

apnews.com

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Decatur Deb  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:53:02am

re: #9 A Cranky One

CL’d on the last thread:

Remembering that a digital image is just a long string of on/offs, it will be archival as long as we can maintain the integrity of the copied string. That would include any not-yet-invented medium. I suppose you could engrave a string onto a diamond and retrieve it.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:56:26am

Sometimes one can make an educated opinion known because they spent the time and money to get educated in the subject. This time that includes me. That was not self-defense because he armed himself and traveled to the incident. It shows premeditation and intent.

That whole gun possession thing is a complete mystery as to how that applied fairly. I find it ridiculous.

I submit we just got a real-world lesson in Critical Race Theory. On one hand, the slightly underage white guy that killed, shot three, one in the back walks without penalty. On the other we have Marissa Alexander a black woman in Florida who had a restraining order against her violent husband and fired a warning shot that struck no one. She was sentenced to twenty years.

IMO these two results show how uneven our justice system is. Clear as a bell.

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:57:21am

In my military service, we were trained that killing an opponent should come as a last resort.
Part of it is practical: Corpses Yield No Actionable Intelligence (CYNAI), and being able to interrogate a battlefield enemy is often necessary to prevent future bad developments down the line.
A big part of it is morality.
Many of those celebrating White OJ’s acquittal clearly don”t get the “Thou shalt not kill” part of the book they claim to love so much.

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aatharuv  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:57:53am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

With these loonies in the Capitol, both elected and not, I fear we’re going to have our next caning of Senator Sumner sooner rather than later.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:00:52pm
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A Cranky One  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:01:37pm

re: #17 Decatur Deb

Remembering that a digital image is just a long string of on/offs, it will be archival as long as we can maintain the integrity of the copied string. That would include any not-yet-invented medium. I suppose you could engrave a string onto a diamond and retrieve it.

While in theory that is correct, consider this: instead of a box of old photos, I find a box of floppy disks with the pictures. Can I retrieve them?

And what about 10 years from now?

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:01:43pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Um, Leah, dear.

In actuality all those heroes would be rushing be the first to throw Kyle into orbit.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:02:01pm

So, interesting. Hypothetically, I could claim, as a 74-year-old with a big mouth and cardiopulmonary issues, that I am afraid of pretty much anyone I want to who gets angry at me and then shoot them.

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aatharuv  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:02:57pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

re: #20 aatharuv

I highly suspect though, that any employee of a Congressperson has to pass a background check and acquire a security clearance that might… prove hard, given some of the data that wasn’t or couldn’t be used at a trial. For example, the fact that he paid his friend (Black?) to buy a gun for him that he couldn’t legally do during his age.

I’m sure there are people here who know more about these processes and what is disqualifying.

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The GOP is a terrorist organization  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:03:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:03:37pm
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Romantic Heretic  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:04:07pm

re: #24 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Make sure you switch your party affiliation to Republican first.

As a Dem you probably wouldn’t make it to jail.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:04:39pm

re: #25 aatharuv

I’d think so but said rules may or may not get enforced these days

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Orange Impostor  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:04:56pm

If anyone thinks that the Proud Boys and other far right/ white nationalist groups are going to limit themselves to only shooting protestors, and not using it for open season without fear of repercussion against anyone who they deem as their enemy (ie people of color, LGBTQs, members of Jewish and/or Muslim religious faiths, women, journalists, and other perceived liberals), you simply have NOT been paying attention.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:05:11pm
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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:05:17pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Was just about to ask about this. Here’s hoping a civil suit holds him properly accountable.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:05:57pm
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DodgerFan1988  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:06:50pm

The GOP gone full Radio Rwanda.

“Cut the tall trees!”

“The graves are not yet full!”

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A Cranky One  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:08:25pm

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:10:46pm

re: #35 A Cranky One

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That’s obviously a common Welsh name.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:13:47pm
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HRH Stanley Sea  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:15:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:15:54pm

tfg has another incoherent bloviation

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sagehen  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:16:12pm

re: #9 A Cranky One

CL’d on the last thread:

We had prints that were over 100 years old. I’d consider those an archival storage medium.

How archival is digital? Formats change, readers change. Will we have 100 year old photos available in the future?

A couple years ago, there was a Michelangelo drawings exhibit touring various museums. Pen and ink, good paper, 500 years old. They’ll probably last another 500 years; maybe longer, if the paper is properly treated.

Digital only lasts as long as the given format is in common use. And people have the right kind of printers, and the right kind of paper. Which so far… doesn’t seem to be very long.

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boredtechindenver  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:17:33pm

Another shooting at a school in Aurora CO.

This high school is just about 2 miles from the shooting earlier this week.

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Interesting Times  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:19:59pm

I’m putting this cartoon behind a spoiler tag for obvious reasons. I follow the artist on Twitter and know there’s no earthly way she intends this as endorsement or glorification…but that’s *exactly* how the White Wing extremists will see it, so don’t be surprised if you spot them using and interpreting it as such:

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The GOP is a terrorist organization  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:22:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:23:56pm
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A Mom Anon  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:25:34pm

Serious question in light of this mess:

Protests have always been a part of our history. But I wonder now how can we protect anyone from this? This crap of taking shots at protesters has happened before, Kent State as one example, but that wasn’t this, but it was never a “thing” to my knowledge. Everyone being armed isn’t the answer, so is a new approach needed?

Protests make it possible for people to meet and join together to fight injustices and inequality. But protests alone don’t solve these issues. It seems as though elected officials don’t honestly give a shit about protesting, so what else can we do besides flood offices with calls and mail? I’m truly worried that today will make it open season on protests. And let’s face facts here, most large protests are by definition about “liberal causes”. I personally think media outlets should be a focus here as well. Without right wing media stoking fires and encouraging violence we may not have seen what happened in Kenosha. And really, footage of that day and Rittenhouse’s prior acts of violence should be made public and used against the GOP forever. People are dead and they are offering him jobs and celebrating. They changed the rules, we don’t have to be considerate of their fucking feelings. I’m sad, disgusted and depressed.

On a slightly happier note, the case here in Georgia may not turn out the same. The evidence in court is pretty damning and prosecutors aren’t taking any plea deals from the defendants so far.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:26:33pm

Haven’t seen this before.

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Belafon  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:28:35pm

re: #45 A Mom Anon

What’s going to have to happen is for every march to be recorded and organized, and those videos broadcast so that people get shocked when they see them.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:28:59pm

Apparently Twitter now gets upset about words like “assholes.”

This was fine.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:29:13pm

re: #46 Punish Domestic Terrorists

This is one reason why I rarely use the Twitter web app. I don’t want or need Twitter to police my language.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:29:36pm

We’re all upset, so here are some pictures of food:

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William Lewis  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:30:33pm

re: #50 The Pie Overlord!

We’re all upset, so here are some pictures of food:

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Mmmm. Carrot cake. I love carrot cake.

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sagehen  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:32:13pm

re: #50 The Pie Overlord!

We’re all upset, so here are some pictures of food:

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Food is somewhat comforting; puppies and kittens would do even more for me.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:33:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:33:33pm

re: #52 sagehen

Food is somewhat comforting; puppies and kittens would do even more for me.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:33:54pm

re: #52 sagehen

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:34:46pm
“Leadership means you get in there and you do what you can to stand by people,” DeSantis said. “And that’s exactly what we did today.”

Standing by self-destructive, antisocial idiots and pretending that sensible people do not matter during a public health crisis. Pandering is not leadership.

Florida Gov. DeSantis signs legislation against Covid-19 mandates (CNN)

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darthstar  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:35:17pm

President Biden’s statement says basically he knows the fucker’s guilty but we need to take the high ground.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:36:00pm
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darthstar  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:36:23pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

The kid will be wearing a “Let’s go Brandon” t-shirt on TV within a week, and he’ll be at the SOTU in January as an honored guest of one of the insurrectionists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:36:48pm
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A Mom Anon  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:39:09pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Who funded his legal defense? He had a freaking trial advisor and and a team of lawyers that were not court appointed. Because he could afford to. All those donations just cemented the idea in his head that he was justified. His mom encouraged and supported this. Without some serious intervention he’s going to do this again. Might be some time in the next year or two or in a week. But he will do it again. I hope it follows him wherever he goes. For life.

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jeffreyw  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:40:45pm

re: #50 The Pie Overlord!

We’re all upset, so here are some pictures of food:

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William Lewis  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:41:49pm

re: #61 A Mom Anon

Who funded his legal defense? He had a freaking trial advisor and and a team of lawyers that were not court appointed. Because he could afford to. All those donations just cemented the idea in his head that he was justified. His mom encouraged and supported this. Without some serious intervention he’s going to do this again. Might be some time in the next year or two or in a week. But he will do it again. I hope it follows him wherever he goes. For life.

Next time he might find someone shooting _him_ in the back in “self-defense”.

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KGxvi  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:42:10pm

re: #61 A Mom Anon

Who funded his legal defense? He had a freaking trial advisor and and a team of lawyers that were not court appointed. Because he could afford to. All those donations just cemented the idea in his head that he was justified. His mom encouraged and supported this. Without some serious intervention he’s going to do this again. Might be some time in the next year or two or in a week. But he will do it again. I hope it follows him wherever he goes. For life.

Every time he submits a resume for a job for the rest of his life, the Kenosha unrest shooting wikipedia page is going to be the first thing that pops up when HR does a search for his name.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:45:13pm

re: #57 darthstar

President Biden’s statement says basically he knows the fucker’s guilty but we need to take the high ground.

Yes but he was referring to the turkey that he just pardoned.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:46:10pm

re: #61 A Mom Anon

Who funded his legal defense? He had a freaking trial advisor and and a team of lawyers that were not court appointed. Because he could afford to. All those donations just cemented the idea in his head that he was justified. His mom encouraged and supported this. Without some serious intervention he’s going to do this again. Might be some time in the next year or two or in a week. But he will do it again. I hope it follows him wherever he goes. For life.

Ricky Schroeder for one.

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darthstar  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:46:26pm

re: #65 The Pie Overlord!

Yes but he was referring to the turkey that he just pardoned.

I was glad to hear him say that he was disappointed in the verdict.

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KGxvi  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:46:28pm

re: #65 The Pie Overlord!

Yes but he was referring to the turkey that he just pardoned.

He pardoned the orange idiot?

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:46:43pm

re: #52 sagehen

Food is somewhat comforting; puppies and kittens would do even more for me.

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jeffreyw  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:47:44pm

re: #52 sagehen

Food is somewhat comforting; puppies and kittens would do even more for me.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:52:46pm
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jaunte  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:54:03pm
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JC1  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:54:37pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

I wonder how many of those are Russian bots.

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darthstar  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:55:43pm

re: #72 jaunte

Rittenhouse is already poor.

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nines09  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:56:17pm

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darthstar  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:56:36pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Translation: Fucker’s guilty, the verdict sucks, but don’t act like Republicans.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:56:38pm

re: #22 A Cranky One

While in theory that is correct, consider this: instead of a box of old photos, I find a box of floppy disks with the pictures. Can I retrieve them?

And what about 10 years from now?

The trick would be keep making valid copies of the digits, always outrunning terminal obsolescence of the reader/writer tech. The topic of Really Long Term is fascinating. See The Clock of the Long Now, in wiki and its web site:

en.wikipedia.org

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jaunte  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:56:40pm

re: #74 darthstar

Once his GoFundMe and speaking operations get going, the RWNJs will make him rich.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:57:23pm
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nines09  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:57:26pm

Sue the murderer in civil court and make sure every nickel he makes off of this travesty of justice is taken from him.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 19, 2021 • 12:59:06pm

re: #41 boredtechindenver

Another shooting at a school in Aurora CO.

This high school is just about 2 miles from the shooting earlier this week.

These incident sites are bracketing my grandkid.

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steve_davis  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:12:37pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jesse says hi from recent perch:

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austin_blue  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:15:38pm

re: #48 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Apparently Twitter now gets upset about words like “assholes.”

This was fine.

Replace “asshole” with “fundamental sphinctered orifice”.

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Semper Fi  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:20:43pm

re: #83 austin_blue

Replace “asshole” with “fundamental sphinctered orifice”.

This gun toting fundamental sphincter orifice got a pass in Kenosha today.

You mean like that?

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:21:31pm
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:22:09pm

re: #83 austin_blue

Replace “asshole” with “fundamental sphinctered orifice”.

You can still say “asshole.” I only changed it to see if that was why the message was displayed, to see if their abuse detection is just a list of words to check against, or if it was something smarter.

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jaunte  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:22:51pm

re: #83 austin_blue

Culo-American

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ckkatz  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:25:19pm

Like many here, I am concerned that the Kenosha outcome is being used to legitimize, legalize, normalize and encourage rightwing political violence.

In the US social contract, theoretically, legitimacy and legality are based upon the ability to convince our citizens. Also, at least in theory, citizens are smart enough to eventually figure out when they are being bs’ed. Finally, at least in theory, citizens will get meaningful voting opportunities every 2 years.

As long as I see that social contract holding, I intend to concentrate on the morality debate side of this issue.

If the social contract is destroyed, then we are facing an entirely different set of issues and, I think, probably a multi-generational timeline.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:28:06pm

re: #88 ckkatz

Like many here, I am concerned that the Kenosha outcome is being used to legitimize, legalize, normalize and encourage rightwing political violence.

In the US social contract, theoretically, legitimacy and legality are based upon the ability to convince our citizens. Also, at least in theory, citizens are smart enough to eventually figure out when they are being bs’ed. Finally, at least in theory, citizens will get meaningful voting opportunities every 2 years.

As long as I see that social contract holding, I intend to concentrate on the morality debate side of this issue.

If the social contract is destroyed, then we are facing an entirely different set of issues and, I think, probably a multi-generational timeline.

I think we are in the beginning states of a Bleeding Kansas scenario with murder tourists and attempts to justify killings of BLM and other marchers.

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austin_blue  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:28:54pm

re: #84 Semper Fi

This gun toting fundamental sphincter orifice got a pass in Kenosha today.

You mean like that?

//

Yes!

As Bugs would say “It’s poifect!”

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b.d. (The war is over)  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:35:52pm

Good afternoon Lizards:

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gocart mozart  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:37:38pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:39:25pm

I have to admit it irritates me when people say, “The jury has spoken” as if there’s something mystical about a jury. It’s not mystical. It’s a group of people. Sometimes they’ll be right, sometimes they’ll be wrong. It’s our justice system and it’s probably better than any alternative, but it’s not magical and it’s not always right.

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Citizen K  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:39:31pm

So….I guess I picked either the exact wrong time or the exact right time to come back, after some days to breathe.

All I can say is, much like Sargent, the most telling thing isn’t the celebrations of the verdict but the celebrations of the act.

The language gives it away, they call him ‘Hero’. Not ‘survivor’, as someone might think of more if they were literally attacked the way that they claim Rittenhouse was, nor other less loaded language (you know, loaded language like ‘victim’….). They call him a ‘hero’. Not for what he survived, but for what he did, what act he committed. They’re celebrating the murders and assaults because ‘they had it coming’. And now they have their carte blanche.

You see it in the language, declaring everything similar to what happened that night, or even tamer as ‘riots’, and the people present as ‘rioters’, especially in defense of them being attacked. It’s all so they have their justification, their excuse to go on a spree at any protest that offends them, and see themselves lionized because they didn’t kill ‘people’. They killed ‘rioters’, ‘thugs’, etc. I mean….look at the bloodlust that lead to laws that legalize running over protesters if you proclaim enough ‘fear of my life’.

And before anyone asks, no, I’m not going to arm myself in response to feel safe. Guns don’t make me feel safe. Guns make me feel terrified, and ownership of a gun would make me feel even more terrified.

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So that said…what do we do? I’m still waiting for that answer, especially seeing people I respected elsewhere either gleefully dancing in reaction to this, or finding new ways to spin it into ‘Fuck The Democrats, they caused this’. And the number of answers just feel like they keep shrinking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:40:15pm
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ckkatz  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:42:14pm

re: #89 Scottish Dragon

I think we are in the beginning states of a Bleeding Kansas scenario with murder tourists and attempts to justify killings of BLM and other marchers.

First, welcome back! It’s great to see you back here and contributing good points!

Second, I think that you are correct.

I agree with you that we are, and will be seeing more rightwing political violence.

I also agree that much of it may be ‘touristic’. Where people go to weaker and less capably governed areas and commit violence there.

Currently, I do think that healthier and better governed areas will be able to better control violence.

As I see it, violent rightwing groups are undermining government institutions. These groups are being supported by wealthy patrons who view weaker government as more ability to make money and gain power.And this whole movement is being led by a organized crime adjacent failed president for the same reasons. (As well as some personal psychological issues he has.)

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:44:15pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

I have to admit it irritates me when people say, “The jury has spoken” as if there’s something mystical about a jury. It’s not mystical. It’s a group of people. Sometimes they’ll be right, sometimes they’ll be wrong. It’s our justice system and it’s probably better than any alternative, but it’s not magical and it’s not always right.

This is the part of the story when “commies” and “leftists” are supposed to sit down and just take it or else be mowed down.

2024 will be a bloodbath given sanction by this verdict. The 4Chan Party will be on the march.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:44:27pm

re: #94 Citizen K

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:46:24pm

re: #96 ckkatz
Good to be back! I can only pop in on occasion until we get another computer lol

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:47:20pm

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:48:01pm

re: #43 The GOP is a terrorist organization

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Wonder if he believed OJ was innocent?

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:48:05pm

Out for now. See you guys when I can

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:48:51pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:50:22pm
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DodgerFan1988  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:53:18pm
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Interesting Times  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:53:54pm

This thread from Kurt Eichenwald is worth reading. Seems it was prosecutors who well and truly screwed the pooch:

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nines09  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:54:17pm

So I wonder how long it will take Kyles mother to take her Halloween makeup off and start celebrating.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:55:10pm

re: #61 A Mom Anon

Who funded his legal defense? He had a freaking trial advisor and and a team of lawyers that were not court appointed. Because he could afford to. All those donations just cemented the idea in his head that he was justified. His mom encouraged and supported this. Without some serious intervention he’s going to do this again. Might be some time in the next year or two or in a week. But he will do it again. I hope it follows him wherever he goes. For life.

Or he is going to try and strut his stuff somewhere else. It is known now that he is a threat. And he may end up on the wrong end of the gun next time.

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ckkatz  Nov 19, 2021 • 1:58:29pm

A couple of thoughts…

1. There are many ways to fight to preserve democracy. To my mind, using a gun is perhaps one of the least powerful and only to be used when everything else has failed. You shouldn’t consider yourself obligated to get one.

2. If you are looking for ideas on what to do, there are some people who offer concrete suggestions.

Unfortunately, in the social media world, screaming is highly rewarded, thoughtful ideas much less so.

I would suggest that you look around and see who has ideas that would fit into your personality, character, morality and beliefs.

For personal conduct you might want to watch Timothy Snyder’s Youtube videos regarding “On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century”. You also might want to look for good ethics leaders who appeal to your sense of justice.

Regarding mass action, that may or may not appeal to you. If it does, look for groups whose message, goals, ethics, and approach match your beliefs.

In the end, you can take responsibility for your ethics, behavior and actions. You and those you love are the most important judges of what you believe, say and do. Not some internet rando.

It’s a journey not a destination. We are all fallible and finite creatures who (hopefully) learn and do the best we can as we go along.

—>Please note that I edited Citizen K’s comments

re: #94 Citizen K

All I can say is, much like Sargent, the most telling thing isn’t the celebrations of the verdict but the celebrations of the act.
…snip…
And before anyone asks, no, I’m not going to arm myself in response to feel safe. Guns don’t make me feel safe. Guns make me feel terrified, and ownership of a gun would make me feel even more terrified.
…snip…
So that said…what do we do? I’m still waiting for that answer, especially seeing people I respected elsewhere either gleefully dancing in reaction to this, or finding new ways to spin it into ‘Fuck The Democrats, they caused this’. And the number of answers just feel like they keep shrinking.

ETA: tried to make obvious that I had edited Citizen K’s comments

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Belafon  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:03:28pm

re: #69 The Pie Overlord!

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We Rate Dogs just got hit by the Cerebus Syndrome.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:08:52pm

OJ did fuck up later on and serve some prison time for a DIFFERENT crime as well.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:16:10pm

The prosecutors definitely did make some serious mistakes. But the judge does also bear some of the responsibility for this verdict - I’ve watched more than a few trials and this was the most outrageously biased conduct I’ve ever seen from the bench.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:18:51pm

I think we should look at this in the overall context of Republican violence and terrorism, MTG’s opponent forced to quit, Carlson inciting bullies to harrass people for wearing masks, threats against school boards and local officials, major media figures defending the Capitol riot, on and on. The rule of law no longer applies, the war is here. One of our two major parties is wholly committed to violence and intimidation, with millions of its degenerate followers fully committed and convinced that this is the only solution.

We need some pushback. That does not mean gun battles in the street (though it does have a salutary effect when lawless bullies end up dead). We have the advantage in intelligence, numbers and, I believe, in real combat experience. Use your heads, stay safe, and leave the performative gun waving to the traitorous enemy. Don’t even try to discourage them, their arrogant displays are akin to marching into battle in bright red clown suits with flags waving, while the other side is hiding in the bush in khaki or green.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:19:03pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

The prosecutors definitely did make some serious mistakes. But the judge does also bear some of the responsibility for this verdict - I’ve watched more than a few trials and this was the most outrageously biased conduct I’ve ever seen from the bench.

The prosecutors were dealt a bad hand and misplayed the cards they did have.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:24:55pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:25:35pm

re: #61 A Mom Anon

Who funded his legal defense? He had a freaking trial advisor and and a team of lawyers that were not court appointed. Because he could afford to. All those donations just cemented the idea in his head that he was justified. His mom encouraged and supported this. Without some serious intervention he’s going to do this again. Might be some time in the next year or two or in a week. But he will do it again. I hope it follows him wherever he goes. For life.

He needs serious psychological counselling but unfortunately he is instead being applauded as a hero for murdering 2 unarmed individuals and he is surrounded by those who encourage these views. I fear you are right — he will do this again.

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EPR-radar  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:28:24pm

re: #64 KGxvi

Every time he submits a resume for a job for the rest of his life, the Kenosha unrest shooting wikipedia page is going to be the first thing that pops up when HR does a search for his name.

That’s unlikely to matter, because Rittenhouse is already set for life via wingnut welfare.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:28:32pm

A point Kurt made that has to emphasized again and again is that law enforcement, by palling around with the wanna-bees, created an environment of escalation.

Right now, though, the Ben Shapiros out there are busy trying to make sure that everyone knows the cop who shot Jacob Blake was completely justified.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:40:48pm

I have some empathy for these kinds of accounts when events take such a turn.

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Orange Impostor  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:41:42pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

I have to admit it irritates me when people say, “The jury has spoken” as if there’s something mystical about a jury. It’s not mystical. It’s a group of people. Sometimes they’ll be right, sometimes they’ll be wrong. It’s our justice system and it’s probably better than any alternative, but it’s not magical and it’s not always right.

“The jury has spoken”. Even when that judge, jury, and prosecution team is rigged in the favor of the defendant.

Trial Jurors from Emmett Till’s murder
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:43:52pm
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Belafon  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:45:02pm

Paxton and other - I’m pretty sure winger - Attorneys General are investigating Instagram because they operated it “while knowing of the negative impacts on teens.” If that were an actual criteria, we could shut Fox down.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:49:36pm

And also, Rittenhouse inadvertently scored a win for the GOP: everyone’s talking about him and not the passage of BBB in the House. I think it’s a temporary win, though.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:50:32pm

My Trumpist brother:

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:50:43pm

But here’s an LOL:

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Citizen K  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:52:37pm

re: #122 Belafon

Paxton and other - I’m pretty sure winger - Attorneys General are investigating Instagram because they operated it “while knowing of the negative impacts on teens.” If that were an actual criteria, we could shut Fox down.

And again, they do this to the social media services that refuse to enforce their own rules on chuddy types and overt bigots and supremacists, because they’d be deplatforming so many Republicans ‘in good standing’ otherwise.

Working the refs always works for them, because they’re always rewarded for it.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:53:15pm

I haven’t priced steamed dump, but that seems a little high.

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Jay C  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:54:45pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

I haven’t priced steamed dump, but that seems a little high.

It’s the Jumbo size, always more expensive

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Citizen K  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:58:04pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

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I haven’t priced steamed dump, but that seems a little high.

Depending on your diet or condition, that’s a small price to pay for a very good and very large dump.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 19, 2021 • 2:58:36pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

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I haven’t priced steamed dump, but that seems a little high.

Reminds me of a Japanese teaser I used to hear: “if forced to choose, would you eat curry that tasted like real shit or real shit that tasted like curry?”

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:00:18pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

This looks like a much better deal in these inflation ravaged times. I make some pretty majestic ass biscuits myself, though I’ll never come up to my grandmother’s level.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:03:04pm

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

This looks like a much better deal in these inflation ravaged times. I make some pretty majestic ass biscuits myself, though I’ll never come up to my grandmother’s level.

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I had a friend in high school who was programming his graphing calculator to print random things. One of these phrases was supposed to come out as, “I love buttered crackers,” but due to screen width limitations, came out as, “I love buttered crack.” Yeah, we never let him hear the end of that one.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:05:02pm

I feel obligated to share. This is the young woman my old bandmate has taken on as a project (hoping to get a recording deal, I think). This is recorded at his Wisconsin Drum Farm studio. I think Gina was 16 when it was done earlier this year. John, my friend, is also the drummer. (I think Cory is the guitarist.)

Gina Miles // Incredibly Impatient (Official Music Video)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:05:40pm

We had homemade ham and bean soup and I made cornbread using masa instead of cornmeal. Interesting, almost creamy, texture but tastes just fine.

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EstebanTornado1963  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:12:12pm

re: #72 jaunte

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:12:15pm
137
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:24:04pm

JFC,

I just got six calls from “Name Unavailable” from six different phone numbers in six states.

Shit, make that SEVEN (just got another one).

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:28:01pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC,

I just got six calls from “Name Unavailable” from six different phone numbers in six states.

Shit, make that SEVEN (just got another one).

So it is Sara from Credit Card Services or an urgent call about your extended car warranty?

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:29:21pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC,

I just got six calls from “Name Unavailable” from six different phone numbers in six states.

Shit, make that SEVEN (just got another one).

I got one from a +39 (Italy) today. needless to say, I didn’t answer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:30:26pm

re: #138 Hecuba’s daughter

So it is Sara from Credit Card Services or an urgent call about your extended car warranty?

no idea, I just hit call block before the second ring

141
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:33:50pm
142
Dopamine Fish  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:34:17pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, you and your pesky “facts”. I reject your reality, and substitute my own!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:40:35pm

re: #142 Dopamine Fish

Oh, you and your pesky “facts”. I reject your reality, and substitute my own!

white-on-white crime…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:41:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:44:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:45:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:47:13pm

sigh

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:48:30pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Fried Blood”

I don’t want to know.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:51:39pm
150
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:51:43pm

re: #148 Eclectic Cyborg

“Fried Blood”

I don’t want to know.

I’m curious about “Dressed Herring”…is it formal or casual?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:51:51pm
152
PhillyPretzel  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:52:53pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

It used to be formal for the Czars and casual for the peasants. I am guessing I really have no idea.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:53:14pm

yikes!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:53:54pm

re: #152 PhillyPretzel

It used to be formal for the Czars and casual for the peasants. I am guessing I really have no idea.

must be a seekrit dress code…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:54:50pm
156
jaunte  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:56:37pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Shuba is multicomponent dish. Its main ingredient is herring of spiced salting covered with layers of different vegetables: onion, potato, carrot and beet root.”
ukrainefood.info

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:58:09pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Nov 19, 2021 • 3:58:53pm
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Belafon  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:00:26pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:01:05pm
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Belafon  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:02:14pm

re: #158 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:02:51pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

really, the horror of Switzerland being Nestlé.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:07:06pm

re: #148 Eclectic Cyborg

“Fried Blood”

I don’t want to know.

Most of the dishes have blood as a major component.
No wonder vampires love Europe.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:07:06pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:07:46pm
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sagehen  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:14:32pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

They seriously think deep-fried pizza is grosser than haggis?

I reject whatever standards they used to judge the nations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:17:29pm

re: #166 sagehen

They seriously think deep-fried pizza is grosser than haggis?

I reject whatever standards they used to judge the nations.

I actually like haggis.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:18:36pm

Kyle Rittenhouse is about to become very, very rich.

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Belafon  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:20:04pm

re: #169 Ace Rothstein

Kyle Rittenhouse is about to become very, very rich.

Just like George Zimmermann.

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gocart mozart  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:30:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:34:16pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d hate to be the poor bastard who has to ghostwrite it.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:37:41pm

Is anyone else having problems with videos loading? When I hit the play button everything locks up for about a minute and then it works.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:37:52pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

I’d hate to be the poor bastard who has to ghostwrite it.

big surprise, not…it’s a picture book!

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:38:12pm

re: #161 Belafon

[Embedded content]

This is reckless incitement. it means that there are liable to be hordes of clueless vigilantes at the next large scale disturbance of any kind. Many of them, perhaps a very large number, won’t be as lucky as vile Kyle.

Beyond that, I actually own property in Lubbock, some of it near the Texas Tech campus where it is at risk of it being vandalized by mobs of criminals and arsonists, ie sportsball fans. I DO NOT authorize anyone to use lethal force to prevent such vandalism. (If you have the guts to kick some of them in the gonads and call them ugly names, well, fine, but NO GUNS!)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:38:14pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:43:54pm

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darthstar  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:45:08pm

Why do characters in futuristic sci-fi worlds always dress like ancient Romans or Egyptians? I’m watching Foundation and it’s like linen city.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:47:58pm
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jaunte  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:47:59pm

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

“Taster of strange foods” was our ancestors first retirement plan.

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darthstar  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:48:45pm
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darthstar  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:50:00pm

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

I always liked the third kind.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:54:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:56:56pm
185
Sherlock Hound  Nov 19, 2021 • 4:59:29pm

Except that in NI, the RUC would respond. No milita on the left, here.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:01:19pm

Trotting in behind Zimmerman.

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darthstar  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:03:02pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:03:18pm

re: #185 Sherlock Hound

Except that in NI, the RUC would respond. No milita on the left, here.

That people know of…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:04:44pm
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darthstar  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:04:50pm

re: #186 Sherlock Hound

Trotting in behind Zimmerman.

[Embedded content]

I’m boycotting all network news when he’s being talked about on it. Three or four weeks I’m guessing. Just watched Red Notice today and now Foundation….just mindless distraction.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:05:21pm
Right-wing gun culture is not unlike the wellness industry, in that it requires the cultivation of a sustained insecurity in its audience, in order to facilitate the endless purchase of its products. You can never be too skinny, and you can never have too many guns to stop the impending communist takeover.

Adam Serwer

theatlantic.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:05:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:06:41pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:09:11pm

re: #190 darthstar

I’m going to have to listen to this fucking shit at Thanksgiving at the house with three Trump signs STILL in the yard.

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gocart mozart  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:10:45pm

Report this Nazi

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gocart mozart  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:14:46pm

This comparison is meant as a compliment.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:15:10pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Maxed vaxed and masked. I hope it’s enough.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:15:17pm

A friend of mine who has really gone off the deep end just sent me a Rittenhouse text that was supposed to be funny (in his mind). I deleted it and blocked him. I’m not putting up with this shit.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:17:24pm

I am not surprised at the K Rittenhouse verdict. But for me Rittenhouse will always mean Rittenhouse Square in Center City Philly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:26:51pm

oh

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:27:54pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

Kyle Rittenhouse: American Sniper.

/half
//They’ll still make him out to be an American hero
///Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Rittenhouse?

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Belafon  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:30:05pm

At a hotel because my son is doing a band thing and this is closer than the house. A man walking up with a family had a sweatshirt on that said Let’s go Brandon FJB.

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gocart mozart  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:33:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:41:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:43:23pm
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Florida Panhandler  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:45:27pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

They should just come out with an official medal for “Killing N———ers”. It would at least be more honest on their part.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:45:36pm
208
PhillyPretzel  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:48:18pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

At least the turkeys have cute names. And we do not worry if Joe will mess it up like DT always did.

209
Citizen K  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:52:10pm

And as Charles mentioned the Proud Boys in the first post:

For far-right groups, Rittenhouse’s acquittal is a cause for celebration

In the minutes after a jury acquitted 18-year old Kyle Rittenhouse on all counts, jubilation lit up on social media spaces where far-right extremists gather.

In one Telegram channel for the far-right Proud Boys, some noted they had taken the day off work to await the verdict. “There’s still a chance for this country,” wrote one. In another channel, a member stated that political violence must continue. “The left wont stop until their bodied get stacked up like cord wood,” he wrote.

[…]

As it played out against the backdrop of an increasingly polarized nation, experts of far-right movements say opportunists found a growing audience for their violence-fueled messaging that targets the left. Now that a jury has found that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense, those concerns are recentering on the question of whether it may embolden others to engage in political violence.

“This might be interpreted across the far right as a type of permission slip to do this kind of thing or to seek out altercations in this way, believing that there is a potential that they won’t face serious consequences for it,” said Jared Holt, a resident fellow at the Digital Forensic Research Lab at the Atlantic Council. “I worry that that might end up being interpreted by some people as a proof of concept of this idea that you can actually go out and seek a ‘self-defense situation,’ and you’ll be cheered as a hero for it.”

So…yeah. They’re taking it exactly as the carte blanche we expected them to take it as. And why not? Seems like the law says it’s open season now, so….

We’re basically at the mercies of the white majority, and they seem just peachy keen with this shit even when folks are pushing the lack of humanity in these incidents and the aftermaths in the public’s faces.

210
Moe Avattar  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:55:49pm

re: #206 Florida Panhandler

They should just come out with an official medal for “Killing N———ers”. It would at least be more honest on their part.

That’s not why they’re celebrating him as a hero. They’re celebrating him because he exterminated Jews.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 19, 2021 • 5:57:16pm

It’s going to be hot and dry and my sinuses are going to complain:

Santa Ana Winds bring warm temperatures and very dry air - NWS San Diego

..

212
PhillyPretzel  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:06:01pm

Videos are still freezing my screen. I guess I will play them on my iPad for now.

213
A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:06:02pm

re: #206 Florida Panhandler

They should just come out with an official medal for “Killing N———ers”. It would at least be more honest on their part.

All three of his victims were white.

214
Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:06:46pm
215
jaunte  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:09:36pm
216
austin_blue  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:15:13pm

re: #166 sagehen

They seriously think deep-fried pizza is grosser than haggis?

I reject whatever standards they used to judge the nations.

You’ve never had a proper haggis with a whiskey cream sauce, have you?

It’s basically a lamb liver casserole with barley. I’ve had haggis which is inedible and haggis that is damned good.

Of course, if you don’t like liver, you’ll never gag down any haggis, good or bad.

217
Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:15:26pm
218
A Mom Anon  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:17:40pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

So how is this ok while a murderer is awaiting and going through a trial? Jesus what a fucking shitshow.

At least so far, in the Arbery case here in GA, the judge isn’t falling for shit. But the attorney for the defense is trying to stir up racial hatred to try to get a mistrial. The judge so far isn’t putting up with it, but every damned day that attorney is going a little farther than the previous day.

219
retired cynic  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:24:17pm

We need something nice!

220
Charles Johnson  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:25:57pm
221
Jay C  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:30:39pm

re: #219 retired cynic

We need something nice!

One of our cats actually vocalizes “Hewwo”…
Nice to know she’s baby-talking us….

222
austin_blue  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:40:42pm

re: #218 A Mom Anon

So how is this ok while a murderer is awaiting and going through a trial? Jesus what a fucking shitshow.

At least so far, in the Arbery case here in GA, the judge isn’t falling for shit. But the attorney for the defense is trying to stir up racial hatred to try to get a mistrial. The judge so far isn’t putting up with it, but every damned day that attorney is going a little farther than the previous day.

Is it illegal?

No.

Is Kyle getting paid by Faux to do the thing? Well, wouldn’t you demand it?

The thing I noticed about Kyle during the trial is that he is obviously not the brightest star in the firmament. In fact, it seems he’s just as dumb as a box full of hammers. So the fact that Faux would take advantage in making him the hero in a propaganda film to inflame the country is not surprising, what is surprising is that they would do so using a man/child of such limited means. It’s child abuse.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:46:54pm

re: #222 austin_blue

He should have been removed from his mom’s custody over this entire disaster.

224
EPR-radar  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:47:59pm

re: #222 austin_blue

Is it illegal?

No.

Is Kyle getting paid by Faux to do the thing? Well, wouldn’t you demand it?

The thing I noticed about Kyle during the trial is that he is obviously not the brightest star in the firmament. In fact, it seems he’s just as dumb as a box full of hammers. So the fact that Faux would take advantage in making him the hero in a propaganda film to inflame the country is not surprising, what is surprising is that they would do so using a man/child of such limited means. It’s child abuse.

Ugh. We’re really going to get an unholy cross between Birth of a Nation and Triumph of the Will out of this farce, aren’t we?

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The GOP is a terrorist organization  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:53:52pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:54:15pm

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austin_blue  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:57:45pm

re: #224 EPR-radar

Ugh. We’re really going to get an unholy cross between Birth of a Nation and Triumph of the Will out of this farce, aren’t we?

Oh, we crossed that bridge decades ago, my dear Lizard. Faux is just resurrecting it to set the country on fire again.

1861 again and we are kitty in the middle.

228
William Lewis  Nov 19, 2021 • 6:58:39pm

re: #227 austin_blue

Oh, we crossed that bridge decades ago, my dear Lizard. Faux is just resurrecting it to set the country on fire again.

1861 again and we are kitty in the middle.

Bleeding Kansas writ nationwide.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:04:52pm

I solved my video freeze problem. I am using a different connector for my wired connection. For some reason the thunderbolt connector was causing the freeze. I tried the wireless connection and it was fine and now I am using the USB adapter and so far it is working. Yay.

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austin_blue  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:05:16pm

re: #228 William Lewis

Bleed Kansas writ nationwide.

We aren’t there yet, but I think we’re close enough to sneak up on it and stick our tongue in its ear.

Which is just terrifying.

231
Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:09:06pm

Good Old Days…..

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EPR-radar  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:10:11pm

re: #230 austin_blue

We aren’t there yet, but I think we’re close enough to sneak up on it and stick our tongue in its ear.

Which is just terrifying.

It’s pretty clear that if we get civil war 2.0 in the US, the prelude will be much like the prelude to the past civil war and include an equivalent to bleeding Kansas. IMO we’re real close to that, and something as small as a few Rittenhouse copycats could get us there.

Ultimate responsibility for this looming threat is entirely on the Republicans, of course.

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:10:43pm
234
BeachDem  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:13:30pm

re: #160 gocart mozart

And they laughed as they spat their tobacco…

Goodman, Schwerner, and Chaney

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austin_blue  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:22:55pm

re: #232 EPR-radar

It’s pretty clear that if we get civil war 2.0 in the US, the prelude will be much like the prelude to the past civil war and include an equivalent to bleeding Kansas. IMO we’re real close to that, and something as small as a few Rittenhouse copycats could get us there.

Ultimate responsibility for this looming threat is entirely on the Republicans, of course.

Never say “Of Course”.

If this happens, it will be in large part because the Democratic Party/Liberals/Progressives do not wage a counterforce against it.

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EPR-radar  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:31:35pm

re: #235 austin_blue

Never say “Of Course”.

If this happens, it will be in large part because the Democratic Party/Liberals/Progressives do not wage a counterforce against it.

Ugh. It’s probably not your intent, but this comes across as a serious case of political victim blaming.

And responsibility for US political dysfunction is always and exclusively on the perps (i.e., Republicans), and never falls on those who opposition to the perps is less than ideal.

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jaunte  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:32:03pm

The local coyote families are out claiming their territory. They’re sounding more like dogs lately, which may be an adaptation to the local shooters.

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jaunte  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:32:59pm

People out here in the boonies claim to love the outdoors, but their first reaction to most of the creatures here is to kill them.

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austin_blue  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:34:21pm

Well, I’m off to the rack.

24 hours after the booster jab (Pfizer, after 2 original Moderna jabs for me): Cramps, farty farty farty, Montezuma’s revenge for an hour until noon today, then, nothing. I ascribe it to clean living.

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Jason Munro  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:35:03pm

Just a cool new song by an artist I learned about here:

Elise Trouw - How to Get What You Want (Live Loop Video)


peace all

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:41:49pm

re: #235 austin_blue

Never say “Of Course”.

If this happens, it will be in large part because the Democratic Party/Liberals/Progressives do not wage a counterforce against it.

I think there will be some violent reprisals but not anything organized, that is, involving anyone rational enough to really make it bite.
There are very powerful forces waiting in the wings but we need to see what the fascists do with this. Will they really treat it as a license to go on a killing spree and try to set up their feudal state by force? If it comes to that, rational forces will get involved, and, as I’ve said many times, the cosplay traitors won’t know what hit them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:50:02pm
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jaunte  Nov 19, 2021 • 7:55:14pm

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