New From Elise Trouw: “How to Get What You Want” (Live Loop Video)

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“How to Get What You Want” Live Looping Video by Elise Trouw.

Mixed by Henry Lunetta.

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Watch “How To Get What You Want” (Official Music Video): YouTube

Listen on this version on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/4xn7WhGCd4jvLQI4X0a0vZ?si=488b4cf46e6c41fe

Listen to “How To Get What You Want” (original recording): https://cdbaby.lnk.to/HowtoGetWhatYouWant?presave_accepted=1

Download “How To Get What You Want” Stems: https://elisetrouw.com/remix/

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Lyrics:

Am I out of my head now for wanting more than love?
Every child’s agenda undone
Am I out of opinions and reaching zero sum?
Five years from now’s nostalgia, no fun

Thinking, thinking, thinking
I wanna see how far this’ll go
Wanna meet who I don’t know
Wanna see how far this’ll go, go, go

I’m coming down, coming down
Got a case of it all
Coming down, coming down
Nearly burning me up in the atmosphere
How to get what you want
How to disappear
I’m coming down, coming down
With a case of it all
Coming down, coming down
Nearly burning me up in the atmosphere
How to get what you want
How to disappear

Channel out the ambition
Or give the struggle up
And when I’ve made my decision, I’m stuck

Thinking, thinking, thinking
I wanna see how far this’ll go
Wanna meet who I don’t know
Wanna see how far this’ll go, go, go

I’m coming down, coming down
Got a case of it all
Coming down, coming down
Nearly burning me up in the atmosphere
How to get what you want
How to disappear
I’m coming down, coming down
With a case of it all
Coming down, coming down
Nearly burning me up in the atmosphere
How to get what you want
How to disappear

Everything as it was
Everything as it goes

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marcusgorillius  Nov 19, 2021 • 8:25:08pm

This country is so fucked up. The bigotry ,racism and hatred has always been there just under the surface but Trump, Fox News and now the GOP have made it ok to be mainstream. Sometimes I can’t believe what’s happening is really here. We’ve fallen so far in such a short time.

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EPR-radar  Nov 19, 2021 • 8:32:58pm

re: #1 marcusgorillius

This country is so fucked up. The bigotry ,racism and hatred has always been there just under the surface but Trump, Fox News and now the GOP have made it ok to be mainstream. Sometimes I can’t believe what’s happening is really here. We’ve fallen so far in such a short time.

In my rare moments of optimism, I like to hope that Trumpism is the political equivalent of the lancing of a festering abscess — a disgusting torrent of pus everywhere, followed by healing.

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marcusgorillius  Nov 19, 2021 • 8:45:11pm

re: #2 EPR-radar

I hope you’re right.

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jaunte  Nov 19, 2021 • 8:48:04pm
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ckkatz  Nov 19, 2021 • 8:49:31pm

I’m not sure how I feel about this selection.

It’s really fun music and enjoyable to listen to. Ms Trouw plays multiple instruments. She knows a good deal about electronic music applications and can program them and record with them on the fly. She also has a wonderful voice. It also sounds like she composed the song as well. She is adept at social media. And she is an entrepreneur.

Meanwhile, I am challenged just playing the selection on a computer via Firefox. Did I mention that I am probably over 40 years older than she is.

To quote Tom Lehrer “Why when Mozart was my age; He’d been dead for four years.”

*sigh*

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jaunte  Nov 19, 2021 • 9:19:16pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 19, 2021 • 9:22:52pm

WOW! Good things do happen in Lubbock.

This was the view of the 2021 lunar eclipse as seen from Huneke park in Lubbock, Texas. William Cameron “Willie” McCool was an Eagle Scout, a United States Navy Commander, NASA astronaut and the Space Shuttle pilot of Columbia mission STS-107. (Photo by Cranston Reid)

(Willie McCool graduated from Coronado High School in Lubbock.)

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Citizen K  Nov 19, 2021 • 9:23:45pm

I’ve seen a lot of prognostications about what will happen to the actual Rittenhouse after this, whether he follows the Zimmerman route of ruin or becomes the next GOP megastar. Because it really doesn’t matter what happens to him on the larger scale. It’s the fact that he most assuredly is going to inspire copycats, as well as those like the Proud Boys who are already using him as a sign that they’re free to be less coy and more overt about just spree murdering their political adversaries with the knowledge that they can bullshit their way into a self-defense claim with the magic word of ‘riot’. And the GOP will cheer it along all the way, because they see this as the utmost of American Heroism, so they have even less reason to hold back.

Kyle Rittenhouse the person doesn’t matter anymore. Kyle Rittenhouse the Folk Hero does, and we’re going to see even more in his image at this rate.

EDIT: Accidentally hit post too early.

EDIT 2: Case in point, this lovely reply to my above tweet, who I refuse to link to in order to deny them engagement:

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mmmirele  Nov 19, 2021 • 9:48:25pm

Some of you may know that I protest churches. And yes, I have always been aware that particularly here in Arizona, people pack heat, even at churches. I know that when I go to protests, I am definitely not open or concealed carrying. I’ve made it clear I do not want firearms in my house for mental health reasons.

So the closest I get to personal protection when I go out protesting is a GoPro. And yeah, that’s not going to help if someone draws a pistol out of their back waistband, but what can I do? Stop protesting? I could do that, but I really think these bad actors absolutely need to be confronted. Nobody else is doing it, particularly not the Evangelical Industrial Complex.

This is the deal. That pastor, Josh Butler of Redemption Church Tempe, that guy came out and talked to me on Sunday. And I gave him an earful. When I get on something I can be EXTREMELY insistent, and I’m on the autism spectrum. On Sunday I was all about “churches cover up child sexual abuse” turned up to 11, plus a smidge of “women, people of color and LGBTQIA people are treated as second class or worse.” But it was mostly about child sexual abuse, because this asshat said that if people were experiencing “church hurt”, they should go back to church and “lament.”

In fact, at no point in the article did Josh Butler admit the churches could be wrong. The people deconstructing are ALWAYS wrong. What an asshat.

I figured out on Tuesday that Butler had blocked me on Twitter. On top of that, he has no problem talking to a male podcaster, but he feels perfectly ok blocking a 61 YO woman who is pretty hot about the systematic and consistent abuse of people who are not white men in churches. So he gets a protest on Sunday. “Josh Butler blocked me on Twitter but will talk to a male podcaster” or something like that. I’ll figure it out.

And yes, I’m acutely aware that the FREAKING SECURITY TEAM at this church may be packing heat. So much for Jesus, prince of peace.

ETA: “Josh Butler, you and your church can be DEAD wrong.”

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ckkatz  Nov 19, 2021 • 10:22:49pm

Heh, I have been watching the various tracking scans on a package with great amusement. Fortunately, it is not a critical or time dependent item.

The company, in Utah, said that they sent it to the Post Office November 11th. (I believe that the USPS is closed that day.)

USPS finally registered it at the Midvale facility on November 14th.

Still on Nov 14th, an hour later it arrived at the ‘Origin’ facility.

It then left the ‘Origin’ facility on Nov 14th and arrived on Nov 17th at… the Midvale facility. Twice no less.

- Four hours later it arrived back at the ‘Origin’ facility.

- 20 minutes later, on Nov 17th it departed the ‘Origin’ facility and claims to be in transit and to be delivered at my place Friday Nov 19thby 9pm.

I was not particularly surprised that the package was not in fact delivered Friday.

I am very intrigued as to where it will show up next.

To quote the Grateful Dead: “What a long strange trip it’s been”

Grateful Dead - Truckin’

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Nov 19, 2021 • 10:22:59pm
Some Warhammer 40,000 players think the game’s fascist Imperium of Man faction is awesome, and actually has a few good ideas. It does not. To clarify this point—which more than one Warhammer 40K fan appears to have missed—maker Games Workshop put out a statement saying that you do not, under any circumstances, “gotta hand it to them.”

“There are no goodies in the Warhammer 40,000 universe,” Games Workshop wrote on its website today. “None. Especially not the Imperium of Man…We believe in and support a community united by shared values of mutual kindness and respect. Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be.”

The statement comes just a couple weeks after controversy broke out when a player wore Nazi symbols to an unofficial tournament in Spain and the organizers apparently didn’t throw him out, despite complaints from other players.

More at
Resurgence Of Fascism Forces Warhammer To Remind Fans Imperium Are Villains (Kotaku)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 19, 2021 • 10:30:52pm

re: #11 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I saw that earlier. Strange fucking times when a company has to clarify the oppressive, corrupt, violent, fascist group of assholes in their board game are the BAD GUYS.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:21:51pm

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Chris COMBETTE - Laissez Faire Les Anges



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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:28:52pm

Seems low vaccination rates in the Netherlands combined with who knows what kind of agitators is causing problems among the Dutch:

Rotterdam police clash with rioters as Covid protest turns violent @BBC News live 🔴 BBC

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BigPapa  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:31:48pm

Covid protests should be called pro-Covid rallies.

People against Covid wears masks get shots and otherwise STFU.

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BigPapa  Nov 19, 2021 • 11:38:46pm

Next ratatouille I make I’m gonna make a roux again. Just found a recipe with bechamel in it.

I call it my Rouxatouille. Because I make the damn rules.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 20, 2021 • 1:18:16am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 20, 2021 • 1:50:37am

A prediction: The first big kill-off of fascist vigilantes will be an “own goal,” with no lefty trigger action at all.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 20, 2021 • 1:53:22am

CPAC

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William Lewis  Nov 20, 2021 • 2:02:36am

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

A prediction: The first big kill-off of fascist vigilantes will be an “own goal,” with no lefty trigger action at all.

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put a war movie on speakers over top of the buildings after they’ve all gathered looking for all the evil BLM & Anti-Fa? < whistles innocently at the sound of guns and mortars… >

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 20, 2021 • 2:10:12am

So I finished watching the first season of Foundation.

It has gotten a lot of criticism, much of it from the usual quarters. By that I mean white guys whining about a couple of lead characters being dark skinned women. And also from those who just don’t like it that the story has been changed in some ways from what Asimov wrote.

The sad thing is that the Venn diagram of the two groups has a large intersection.

Anyway, I found the ending of season 1 satisfactory.

Click to Reveal

The surprise ending was expected. It was telegraphed early.

What happened to Empire in the last two episodes I did not expect.

The robot ending is clearly a cliff-hanger for season two.

I think I can give this a recommendation to watch. Not an overwhelmingly enthusiastic recommendation as some of the middle episodes were kind of slow, and the story on Terminus needed a lot more work from the writers.

Some of the camera shots are wonderful, with many beautiful scenes. Visually this is one of the better small screen shows to come along.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 20, 2021 • 2:15:31am

re: #21 William Lewis

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 2:26:07am

re: #1 marcusgorillius

This country is so fucked up. The bigotry ,racism and hatred has always been there just under the surface but Trump, Fox News and now the GOP have made it ok to be mainstream. Sometimes I can’t believe what’s happening is really here. We’ve fallen so far in such a short time.

It reminds us again that we cannot take any of the gains made in recent decades in personal freedoms, women’s, minority or LGBTQ rights for granted. There are people out there actively working to turn them all back.

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darthstar  Nov 20, 2021 • 2:28:49am

Statement from the family of Anthony Huber, one of two people killed by Kyle Rittenhouse.

“We are heartbroken and angry that Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted in his criminal trial for the murder of our son Anthony Huber. There was no justice today for Anthony, or for Mr. Rittenhouse’s other victims, Joseph Rosenbaum and Gaige Grosskreutz.
We did not attend the trial because we could not bear to sit in a courtroom and repeatedly watch videos of our son’s murder, and because we have been subjected to many hurtful and nasty comments in the past year. But we watched the trial closely, hoping it would bring us closure.
That did not happen. Today’s verdict means there is no accountability for the person who murdered our son. It sends the unacceptable message that armed civilians can show up in any town, incite violence, and then use the danger they have created to justify shooting people in the street. We hope that decent people will join us in forcefully rejecting that message and demanding more of our laws, our officials, and our justice system.
Make no mistake: our fight to hold those responsible for Anthony’s death accountable continues in full force. Neither Mr. Rittenhouse nor the Kenosha police who authorized his bloody rampage will escape justice. Anthony will have his day in court.
No reasonable person viewing all of the evidence could conclude that Mr. Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. In response to racist and violent calls to action from militia members, Mr. Rittenhouse travelled to Kenosha illegally armed with an assault rifle. He menaced fellow citizens in the street. Though he was in open violation of a curfew order, Kenosha police encouraged him to act violently. Kenosha police told militia members that they would push peaceful protestors toward the militia so that the militia could “deal with them.” Soon after, Mr. Rittenhouse killed Joseph Rosenbaum. The police did nothing. Concerned citizens, confronted with a person shooting indiscriminately on the street, stepped in to stop the violence. Anthony was shot in the chest trying to disarm Mr. Rittenhouse and stop his shooting spree. Still, the police did nothing. Mr. Rittenhouse continued to shoot, maiming Gaige Grosskreutz. The police let Mr. Rittenhouse leave the scene freely. Mr. Rittenhouse came to Kenosha armed to kill. Kenosha police encouraged him to act violently, and our son is dead as a result.
We are so proud of Anthony, and we love him so much. He is a hero who sacrificed his own life to protect other innocent civilians. We ask that you remember Anthony and keep him in your prayers.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 2:28:51am

re: #11 Punish Domestic Terrorists

More at
Resurgence Of Fascism Forces Warhammer To Remind Fans Imperium Are Villains (Kotaku)

Christ, even when we played soldiers, we knew that the Nazis were the bad guys, they just had the most awesome equipment and uniforms. I would always let Rommel come within an inch of whipping the British until the Americans came in to save their sorry asses…

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dharmamark  Nov 20, 2021 • 2:58:18am

re: #22 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’ve been enjoying it and just checked Foundation out of the library.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 3:09:17am

re: #27 dharmamark

I was never a big fan of science fiction, but I did read the classics: Ray Bradbury, Clarke and Asimov, Dune, and some Heinlein.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 20, 2021 • 4:01:13am

As noted last night, Amazon dropped the first three episodes of Wheel of Time.

I’ve not read the books. I think I’ve also written here before that I’ve tried to listen to the first one in audiobook format, but I fall asleep after about five minutes.

So I’m not predisposed to like the Amazon series.

After watching the first three episodes here are my thoughts:

1) Yes, it’s derivative of prior works. This is not unusual. But I am disappointed that the director (Wayne Yip and others) framed so many shots in ways that are too reminiscent of Peter Jackson’s LOTR. It just drives home how derivative these works can be.

2) Beautiful scenery, but I think that has little impact because such beautiful mountain scenes are not really part of the story. Unlike in Jackson’s Fellowship of the Ring, where the loveliness of The Shire is intended to make the viewer feel warm feelings about the hobbits, so we can live vicariously through them in their journey, WoT’s striking scenes seem to be there just to show off camera work.

3) The dialogue is awkward. It’s an attempt to sound like older English, but without the lyricism that, say, Tolkien mastered. Beauty in language is part of what humans make, we drive for it, which is why poetry (at least in simple form) is probably the oldest type of linguistic creation. WoT’s dialogue I find to have an ugliness to it.

4) The shadow of Game of Thrones is long. The need to show gore is strong with TV producers these days. WoT so far is not as much a gore-fest as GoT, but it has a strong bent in that direction.

5) Making a world that tries to feel European Middle-Ages keeps out modern inventions (like long-distance communications) and thus makes the characters more ignorant of the world. This I get as far as shaping a story. Still it all seems a bit too on-the-nose, like we’re supposed to believe this is our world we’re seeing. If this is an imaginary world, then throw in some creative economics, for example.

6) The magic - what can I say, magic and witches are a long staple in movies and TV. But I object to claims that WoT is “high fantasy”. So far it does not strike me as so. It seems to be a middle-ages setting with actual magical witches (ok, so the author didn’t call them witches, but they are what we’d call witches) as opposed to falsely-accused “witches” in our real world. I can take a dose of magic, it’s not a bad thing in a story.

7) The titular belief, in a “wheel of time”, is a fantasy basic. The Lexx has such. I’m not against it per se, but if that is the key to the story then I think it needs to be explored in its full philosophical glory. The characters so far exhibit beliefs in reincarnation, which appears to be different than the big picture (roughly every 3k years?) turning of the wheel of time. I just hope we get a better explanation for what is going on in the big picture.

8) The soundtrack is fine for the job it is doing, but doesn’t stand out.

So far after three episodes I don’t feel this is going to be a hit big enough to drive Prime subscriptions. I expect quite a few Prime members to check it out. But for me it is not must-see TV. It lacks the viscerality
of GoT. It lacks the reality (and humor) of Breaking Bad.

Indeed, so far it is lacking in any humor. I think this may be a strategic error on the part of the show runners. Also lacking are sanguine scenes, which I think are desperately needed when projecting a world as desperate and ugly as we’ve seen so far in WoT.

So, there’s my mildly negative review. But if you’re a Prime member definitely check it out, as it may be our cup of tea.

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The Squire of Logos  Nov 20, 2021 • 4:06:14am

re: #10 ckkatz

Heh, I have been watching the various tracking scans on a package with great amusement. Fortunately, it is not a critical or time dependent item.

The company, in Utah, said that they sent it to the Post Office November 11th. (I believe that the USPS is closed that day.)

USPS finally registered it at the Midvale facility on November 14th.

Still on Nov 14th, an hour later it arrived at the ‘Origin’ facility.

It then left the ‘Origin’ facility on Nov 14th and arrived on Nov 17th at… the Midvale facility. Twice no less.

- Four hours later it arrived back at the ‘Origin’ facility.

- 20 minutes later, on Nov 17th it departed the ‘Origin’ facility and claims to be in transit and to be delivered at my place Friday Nov 19thby 9pm.

I was not particularly surprised that the package was not in fact delivered Friday.

I am very intrigued as to where it will show up next.

To quote the Grateful Dead: “What a long strange trip it’s been”

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Part of the up-ding for the amusing tracking post, most of the up-ding for the Grateful Dead.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 20, 2021 • 4:43:04am

re: #29 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

By starting off and saying “I haven’t read the books”,and then going on to criticize aspects of lore in Jordans’ universe that are well explained, it’s not a good look. Every one of your critiques is explained in the lore — the rest of your suggestion — don’t add shit in that had no place in the lore of the original. Also, Jordan wrote his books long before Martin wrote his tales of Ice and Fire, so Wot can’t be derivative.

Jordan’s first 5-6 books are brilliant, then he loses his shit and loses plots lines and doesn’t explore areas that he should. But the most of the TV story is coherent as described by Jordan with, the scenery IS the there for a reason, and the isolation of Two Rivers was even explained by Moraine in the TV version. And, yeah, there was extreme violence at the beginning of the first book — you can’t leave that our, it is the driving force for Rand Mat, and Perrin to leave Two Rivers and is the methodology of the Dark One.

You may not have liked it; your it, but don’t criticize it for things that aren’t actually things; it was irritating how the director changed some stuff for no apparent reason - Perrin married, waaaat? But Jordan’s universe is mostly coherent and adaptations are hard - the first book was over 1000 pages and compressing that much into eight hours takes a lot of not talking about lore, but overall, it was pretty good.

Also, your review sounds a lot like the one written in the NY Times where the critic said a lot of the exact same wrong things. You that author? /s

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William Lewis  Nov 20, 2021 • 4:54:02am

re: #31 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I attempted to read the books and find that most of his complaints are true to the books. They’re dull, highly derivative, humorless, take themselves way too seriously & should have had the assistance of a proper editor to cut them down to, maybe, 4 books at most rather than 14. I struggled through 6 books and then skimmed the last two see what the “ending” was. I don’t think I missed anything. This was better than ASOFAI where I only got halfway through book one before throwing it away and later found the TV show to be even more foul.

This is a show that is going to be more appreciated by devotees of the books than by those outside of the fandom. I’ll stick to The Expanse and Star Trek Prodigy for now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 4:56:45am

re: #10 ckkatz

Heh, I have been watching the various tracking scans on a package with great amusement. Fortunately, it is not a critical or time dependent item…

Our vaunted supply chain in action

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:11:50am

Even before covid, I wondered why they didn’t board people from window seats in as well as back to front:

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:15:59am
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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:23:08am

I hate this, but, as we’re seeing, we have to protect ourselves from the idiots:

Somehow they had the same number of people die two days in a row:

This sounds familiar:

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:24:04am
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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:26:05am
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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:27:11am
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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:27:27am

Sounds like a win-win:

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garzooma  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:28:07am

re: #35 Barefoot Grin

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Lots of conservative radio hosts would love to celebrate with Kyle tonight but they died of covid.

Also from thread: “Ashley Babbit is celebrating from purgatory”

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:32:50am

Someone using the name David Brooks wrote these paragraphs:

Joe Biden Is Succeeding

The Biden $1.9 trillion stimulus package passed and has been tremendously successful. It heated the overall economy. The Conference Board projects that real G.D.P. growth will be about 5 percent this quarter. The unemployment rate is falling. Retail sales are surging. About two-thirds of Americans feel their household’s financial situation is good.

But the best part is that the benefits are flowing to those down the educational and income ladder. In just the first month of payments, the expanded child tax credit piece of the stimulus bill kept three million American children out of poverty. Pay for hourly workers in the leisure and hospitality sector jumped 13 percent in August compared to the previous year. By June, there were more nonfarm job openings than there had been at any other time in American history. Workers have tremendous power these days.

nytimes.com

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:37:06am

Klappton re: #32 William Lewis

My criticism of his criticism is that he is criticizing the lore, which you can’t do if your haven’t read the books. The editor problems came after Jordan’s wife took over at about book 6, before that, it was adequate and could have been chopped better; from the beginning, he had planned on it being about 7 or 8 book — yes, I know this because I spoke with him at a friends wedding. I’ll agree to disagree on your other comments; attempt is how mapuch of the story, because there is humor, not a lot of loud snork humor, but it’s there.

Edit- and, I agree you’re probably right that it won’t have the same broad appeal as GoT and our won’t piss people to off as much as the culmination of GoT. Both Jordan and Martin have the problem of not being able to define the END of their stories and therefore keep adding story line — Jordan kept bring dear people back after he realized that killing of certain characters was a problem.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:47:05am

re: #34 Belafon

Even before covid, I wondered why they didn’t board people from window seats in as well as back to front:

That’s why my wife and I leave in 20 minutes, by car, to drive to see ailing relatives in Florida. Not flying. Nope. We want to control our travel environment even if it means 18-20 hours of driving each way.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:48:02am

I watched the first episode of Wheel of Time and I have read the books. I thought that the episode was well done, though where they changed the family backstory of Perrin and Mat Cauthon was not an improvement. People with sharp eyes would have noticed that some of the vertical mountains in a brief scenery shot were overgrown modern cities. The Wheel of Time is not just about reincarnation of people. The casual mention of “re-incarnation” is important, it is common knowledge to the characters but not the readers at the beginning. And it turns out to be different in the case of the main characters (I think - Joe Blow on the street does not “remember” their past lives). Quote marks indicate that these are not necessarily exactly what people would assume.

About the books - I found them easy reads for the first five, then Robert Jordan’s number of characters and plot lines get unwieldy for most of rest of the books. There is one book where literally ONE thing happens, and is about everybody’s reaction to it. When Brian Sanderson took over the series, he had a hard time tying up the plot lines, some were left dangling. I appreciate the story finishing, but Sanderson’s writing style was not all that either.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:49:38am

re: #44 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

That’s why my wife and I leave in 20 minutes, by car, to drive to see ailing relatives in Florida. Not flying. Nope. We want to control our travel environment even if it means 18-20 hours of driving each way.

Driving to Daughter’s house today. We will continue our covid tradition of Costco pizza slice, eaten out of the car trunk with a fine red wine.

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William Lewis  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:50:20am

re: #43 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Agree to disagree is a good way to look at it. I hope you enjoy the series even half as much as I enjoy the two that I mentioned :)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:52:42am

Don’t be criticizing Bradon Sanderson - he was trying to mimic style and was working of notes - Sandrrson’s Cosmere universe is brilliant.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:53:49am

re: #45 BlueSpotinAL

Yeah, 800000 pages of 12 hrs of story was fucking ridiculous.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 20, 2021 • 5:59:45am

re: #48 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Don’t be criticizing Bradon Sanderson - he was trying to mimic style and was working of notes - Sandrrson’s Cosmere universe is brilliant.

Maybe I will give Sanderson a chance then, I have a nephew who is a big fan.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 20, 2021 • 6:00:54am

re: #47 William Lewis

Agree to disagree is a good way to look at it. I hope you enjoy the series even half as much as I enjoy the two that I mentioned :)

By the way, absolutely agree with reading A song of Fire and Ice - couldn’t get through book one.

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jeffreyw  Nov 20, 2021 • 6:44:50am

Most Favored Kitteh

Good morning!

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 20, 2021 • 6:52:32am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 6:54:55am

re: #34 Belafon

Takeaways from this article on covid and air travel:

avoid pressing yourself into an enclosed tube with people where you are going to be breathing the same air for the next several hours…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 6:57:15am

re: #38 Belafon

Pregnant women with COVID-19 face increased chances for stillbirths compared with uninfected women, and that risk spiked to four times higher after the delta variant emerged, new government data show

So women in Oklahoma should be jailed if they miscarry due to Covid and have not been vaccinated?

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darthstar  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:09:17am

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))


So women in Oklahoma should be jailed if they miscarry due to Covid and are not vaccinated?

At least put a $10,000 bounty on any Texan who infects an non-vaccinated pregnant woman.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:24:12am

CBS Marketwatch: Average Americans paying $5 for gas, $100 for concert tickets, and $90 for bottles of wine.

Who the fuck are these average Americans they’re talking about, because few are paying anywhere close to $5 for gas. Average price in US is around $3.50 right now, and most states are below that - CA average is $4.30.

Media narratives are narrative because they’ve decided what people need to fixate on and claim so as to push down Democrats’ efforts and undermine Biden. There’s nothing in the inflation data that suggests we’re in trouble, or that this will be long lasting. Companies are posting record profits and upgrading their guidance. That’s anything but a negative. Prices on some items are higher, because of scarcity thanks to more people wanting to buy stuff. Again, it’s the Cabbage Patch Doll problem. Limited supply and everyone wants it, so the price soars. That’s basic economics, not inflation.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:24:26am

re: #52 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:26:05am

re: #57 lawhawk

I was literally just out this morning running some errands, picking up oil for my cars to get them changed out on what passes for “warm” in the winter months here in the wild north country. The one gas station in town that I pass by on my route was at $3.149. I haven’t seen a $4 gas price on 87-octane fuel since 9/11/2001. Whatever these fuckers are smoking, I don’t want any of it. It makes you delusional, man.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:26:43am

The GOP wants to justify not voting for the Infrastructure Bill by claiming that we will be eaten alive by Bidenflation.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:27:32am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

avoid pressing yourself into an enclosed tube with people where you are going to be breathing the same air for the next several hours…

The air in a jet cabin is continually replenished from outside, plus it’s cycled through HEPA filters every few minutes. In other words, it’s safer than the air you breathe indoors on the ground.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:28:13am

re: #57 lawhawk

Hmm. Yesterday I spent $92 at DiBruno Bros for a week of dinners. That was only a little bit more because I bought an extra Beef Pot Pie for Thanksgiving.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:29:35am

re: #61 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

The air in a jet cabin is continually replenished from outside, plus it’s cycled through HEPA filters every few minutes. In other words, it’s safer than the air you breathe indooors on the ground.

When people are sitting right next to you , it is hard not to breathe some of their exhalations before they get sucked out and filtered.

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darthstar  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:34:18am

re: #57 lawhawk

I paid 4.99 for diesel the other day but I go about two months or more on a tank now so I’m still about $200 a month ahead of pre-covid on monthly fuel costs. But the economy is surging, childhood poverty is down, the unemployment rate is about to plummet, wages are up, so yeah, let’s have protests over Ticketbastard’s pricing scheme.

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darthstar  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:36:18am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When people are sitting right next to you , it is hard not to breathe some of their exhalations before they get sucked out and filtered.

We fly to Palm Springs on Thursday. Only a 90 minute flight. We’re all 3x vaxxed. We’ll mask up for the flight and maybe take a sip of water between takeoff and landing.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:37:19am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When people are sitting right next to you , it is hard not to breathe some of their exhalations before they get sucked out and filtered.

Which is also true in the local market — multiply by number of people in the store, where the air is neither flushed nor HEPA filtered. The person in the seat next to you is exhaling through a mask. Also, there’s airflow between your seats — and much more if you turn up the little air nozzle at your seat.

Which is why the air you breathe on an airplane is safer than the stuff you breathe indoors on the ground.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:41:07am

re: #66 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Which is also true in the local market — multiply by number of people in the store, where the air is neither flushed nor HEPA filtered. The person in the seat next to you is exhaling through a mask. Also, there’s airflow between your seats — and much more if you turn up the little air nozzle at your seat.

Which is why the air you breathe on an airplane is safer than the stuff you breathe indoors on the ground.

Hard to maintain any distancing. I go shopping once a week during off hours and otherwise avoid any crowded locations.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:42:54am

re: #64 darthstar

I paid 4.99 for diesel the other day but I go about two months or more on a tank now so I’m still about $200 a month ahead of pre-covid on monthly fuel costs. But the economy is surging, childhood poverty is down, the unemployment rate is about to plummet, wages are up, so yeah, let’s have protests over Ticketbastard’s pricing scheme.

Unemployment can’t plummet much farther, since it’s at 4.8%. I also am happy to pay a bit more in the context of an economy that’s improving the situations of so many people on the “bottom rungs.”

Protests against Ticketbastard are alway in order — I will travel to a venue’s box office before I’ll do business with them.

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:47:31am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was never a big fan of science fiction, but I did read the classics: Ray Bradbury, Clarke and Asimov, Dune, and some Heinlein.

Big, huge recommendation for Connie Willis — she’s won 11 Hugos and 7 Nebulas, her Oxford Time Travel series should be considered classics (you don’t have to read them in any particular order, it’s not that kind of “series”). Also several collections of short stories. And she’s so, so funny…

Misogyny is the only possible reason she’s not considered as classic as the above-named. She’s awesome-sauce.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 7:48:37am

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Pregnant women with COVID-19 face increased chances for stillbirths compared with uninfected women, and that risk spiked to four times higher after the delta variant emerged, new government data show

So women in Oklahoma should be jailed if they miscarry due to Covid and have not been vaccinated?

Maybe the state will explode due the dissonance.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:00:34am

‘Orgy of violence’: Dutch police open fire on rioters

Police opened fire on protesters in rioting that erupted in downtown Rotterdam around a demonstration against COVID-19 restrictions late Friday night. The Dutch city’s mayor called it “an orgy of violence.”

Police said that two rioters were hospitalized after being hit by bullets and investigations were underway to establish if they were shot by police. The condition of the injured rioters was not disclosed.

Officers arrested 51 people, about half of them minors, police said Saturday afternoon. One police officer was hospitalized with a leg injury sustained in the rioting, another was treated by ambulance staff and “countless” others suffered minor injuries.

Mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb told reporters in the early hours of Saturday morning that “on a number of occasions the police felt it necessary to draw their weapons to defend themselves” as rioters ran rampage through the port city’s central shopping district, setting fires and throwing rocks and fireworks at officers.

Hmmmm. Since the Venn diagram of covidiots and Rottenhouse fanbois is pretty much a circle, I wonder if this should count as an own goal? I do know that the trial was closely followed in Europe.

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darthstar  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:06:16am

Okay…time to walk the boys.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:06:40am

re: #61 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

The air in a jet cabin is continually replenished from outside, plus it’s cycled through HEPA filters every few minutes. In other words, it’s safer than the air you breathe indoors on the ground.

I remember a very popular online “health and wellness coach” who was outraged to learn that the stuff they use to pressurize airplanes is not oxygen at all but mostly nitrogen. She had no clue that it came from outside and was the same as the air around us or, indeed, that air itself is mostly nitrogen. The uproar nearly closed her site down, but she re-tooled the scam slightly and recovered.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:19:54am

re: #69 sagehen

Big, huge recommendation for Connie Willis — she’s won 11 Hugos and 7 Nebulas, her Oxford Time Travel series should be considered classics (you don’t have to read them in any particular order, it’s not that kind of “series”). Also several collections of short stories. And she’s so, so funny…

Misogyny is the only possible reason she’s not considered as classic as the above-named. She’s awesome-sauce.

Well, she’s also of the second generation after the “classics” mentioned. (I agree with your recommendation.)

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Decatur Deb  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:21:26am

re: #44 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

That’s why my wife and I leave in 20 minutes, by car, to drive to see ailing relatives in Florida. Not flying. Nope. We want to control our travel environment even if it means 18-20 hours of driving each way.

Not good risk management. Barring any unusual precondition, your chances of dying in a car are many times greater than in an aircraft or in a Covid ward. You do not control more than a small portion of the highway travel environment.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:22:40am

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

I remember a very popular online “health and wellness coach” who was outraged to learn that the stuff they use to pressurize airplanes is not oxygen at all but mostly nitrogen. She had no clue that it came from outside and was the same as the air around us or, indeed, that air itself is mostly nitrogen. The uproar nearly closed her site down, but she re-tooled the scam slightly and recovered.

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I think about that every time someone talks about poisonous nitrogen (usually referring to nitrogen narcosis).

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A Cranky One  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:24:06am

St. Paul theater company to stage ‘Star Trek’/’It’s a Wonderful Life’ mashup, performed in Klingon – Twin Cities

twincities.com

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jeffreyw  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:25:28am

re: #69 sagehen

Big, huge recommendation for Connie Willis — she’s won 11 Hugos and 7 Nebulas, her Oxford Time Travel series should be considered classics (you don’t have to read them in any particular order, it’s not that kind of “series”). Also several collections of short stories. And she’s so, so funny…

Misogyny is the only possible reason she’s not considered as classic as the above-named. She’s awesome-sauce.

Not to mention the dog…

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A Cranky One  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:28:36am

For your Thanksgiving celebration:

foodnetwork.com

Ranch flavored nog.

I’m waiting for the pumpkin spice ranch nog.

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nines09  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:32:22am

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jeffreyw  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:32:57am

re: #79 A Cranky One

For your Thanksgiving celebration:

foodnetwork.com

Ranch flavored nog.

I’m waiting for the pumpkin spice ranch nog.

No waiting! tablespoon.com

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steve_davis  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:33:12am

re: #57 lawhawk

CBS Marketwatch: Average Americans paying $5 for gas, $100 for concert tickets, and $90 for bottles of wine.

Who the fuck are these average Americans they’re talking about, because few are paying anywhere close to $5 for gas. Average price in US is around $3.50 right now, and most states are below that - CA average is $4.30.

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Media narratives are narrative because they’ve decided what people need to fixate on and claim so as to push down Democrats’ efforts and undermine Biden. There’s nothing in the inflation data that suggests we’re in trouble, or that this will be long lasting. Companies are posting record profits and upgrading their guidance. That’s anything but a negative. Prices on some items are higher, because of scarcity thanks to more people wanting to buy stuff. Again, it’s the Cabbage Patch Doll problem. Limited supply and everyone wants it, so the price soars. That’s basic economics, not inflation.

I’m at 2.95. Of course, I’m also on I85 much of the time, which in this state is a series of potholes held together by some imaginative writing.

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gwangung  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:33:24am

re: #77 A Cranky One

St. Paul theater company to stage ‘Star Trek’/’It’s a Wonderful Life’ mashup, performed in Klingon - Twin Cities

twincities.com

batlh poHvaD qeylIS poH!

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:34:58am

Catching up:

On gas prices: $4.639/gallon. I work at home now so not as impacted as I would be I n a commuter life and California gas taxes fix the highways and pay some homage to emissions control too. Plus rent is expensive— even for gas stations

On air travel: I wear mask from the time I get on the shuttle bus to go to airport until I buckle the seat belt in my destination rental car, except to sip water It’s a good practice in travel modes including a pressurized disease tube (term coined in a pre Covid world) that I will continue forever

On animals: See photo

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:37:30am

re: #79 A Cranky One

For your Thanksgiving celebration:

foodnetwork.com

Ranch flavored nog.

I’m waiting for the pumpkin spice ranch nog.

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wrenchwench  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:42:48am
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A Cranky One  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:42:49am

re: #81 jeffreyw

No waiting! tablespoon.com

😮

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A Cranky One  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:45:14am

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:51:52am

re: #76 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

I think about that every time someone talks about poisonous nitrogen (usually referring to nitrogen narcosis).

I am very definitely a lobbyist for big N.

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darthstar  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:54:20am

To the bat cone!

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A Cranky One  Nov 20, 2021 • 8:58:15am
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 20, 2021 • 9:07:03am

re: #91 A Cranky One

Naughty Mittens.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 9:13:50am

So I was wondering if Rittenhouse might now be subject to civil charges, as was the case with OJ and others who got off from criminal convictions.

From Rawstory

Appearing on MSNBC on Saturday morning, less than 24 hours after a jury in Wisconsin found Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty after shooting and killing two Black Lives Matter protesters, a former New York prosecutor suggested that families of the victims could file civil suits with an expectation of success.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Nov 20, 2021 • 9:27:24am

re: #80 nines09

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2021 • 9:37:00am

re: #29 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I feel the same after watching Wheel of Time (1st ep.) last night. Copying LoTR and GoT. Language stilted. I guess I will watch the next one, but not thrilled by any means.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 20, 2021 • 9:45:04am

re: #42 Belafon

Someone using the name David Brooks wrote these paragraphs:

nytimes.com

Yeah, but…David Brooks is currently trying to thread a needle: evade responsibility for all the fascism while taking credit for the progressive successes of Democrats, thereby maintaining his sole axiom that the center-right, incarnate as David Brooks, are the only sane and reasonable actors.

He’ll give credit to Biden, to the exact extent that credit to Biden can be used to suggest that the status quo is maintainable as opposed to precarious.

I mean, he’s literally describing Biden policy in terms of trickle down: hey the markets are good and…bonus…some poor people won’t be turbo-fucked.

Meanwhile at the Atlantic he’s pulling shit like this:

One big thing the NatCons are right about is that in the Information Age, the cultural and corporate elites have merged. Right-wing parties around the world are gradually becoming working-class parties that stand against the economic interests and cultural preferences of the highly educated. Left-wing parties are now rooted in the rich metro areas and are more and more becoming an unsteady alliance between young AOC left-populists and Google.

The “elite” bloc he conjures is a fiction, and the “working class” bloc that he lifts up is also a fiction—pay no attention to the enormous quantities of money and power creating those right wing blocs worldwide, pay no attention to how the money flows in those countries where the right wing dominates. Oh no, decries Brooks, it’s a shame that these fascists have turned up and have incorrect plans on how to defeat the leftist elite, this came out of nowhere and definitely isn’t continuous with Reagan’s culture war rhetoric…but also isn’t the fascist cosmology correct, and AOC and Google are part of the same authoritarian force?

It’s David Brooks doing what he always does: the left is axiomatically malevolent and stupid, the right is technically incorrect but accurately understands the world. That’s he’s looping Biden into his latest version of the same column he always does is not progress…it just means that Brooks doesn’t see any market share in selling tasteful softcore to the gonzo-consuming reactionaries.

His entire career is positioning himself as the last reasonable man battling off waves of hippies, waiting for Whigs to come back into vogue while he excuses the excesses of his fellow conservative. It’s the same gig he did when he was supporting the forever war: his opponents to the right are technically incorrect but still have a point, his opponents to the left cannot be taken seriously. He persists in this position even though he’s consistently wrong, and the people he despises have a better batting average.

Brooks makes money telling the people with power that there is no alternative power-sharing structure, especially when the existing structure fails to achieve the outcomes that justify its existence. When we were fucking around in Iraq, who was right and who was wrong was sharply determinable—here are the stupid fucking antiwar hippies and the smart brave neoliberals who will build a new country while making a profit—when we started finding out suddenly the guilt was amorphous. He’s always been a lickspittle, and even when he writes a paragraph that seems reasonable he’s writing it to be a lickspittle.

Over the past few decades there have been various efforts to replace the Reagan Paradigm: the national-greatness conservatism of John McCain; the compassionate conservatism of George W. Bush; the Reformicon conservatism of the D.C. think tanks in the 21st century. But the Trumpian onslaught succeeded where these movements have so far fizzled because Trump understood better than they did the coalescence of the new American cultural/corporate elite and the potency of populist anger against it. Thus the display of Ivy League populism I witnessed in Orlando might well represent the alarming future of the American right: the fusing of the culture war and the class war into one epic Marxist Götterdämmerung.

He spends an article describing fascism, but concludes by describing the fascists—an educated elite of conservatives at a convention claiming to be speak for a broader working class while also creating horizontal distinctions of “who is really of the nation” that they emphasize and see as pivotal—as Marxist, which is pure bad faith: whether or not you agree with Marxism, it has very precise definition. This is necessary because Brooks and his readers believe in the same cosmology as the “National Conservatives”—the left is the demiurge, the malevolent prime mover that makes reaction necessary—and therefore the dangerous forces of reaction cannot be of the same substance as them, danger can only be leftist…but since all of this is intellectual cowardice, at the end he still has to communicate that the reaction is… understandable, relatable.

This is a thing that happens in every society that’s gone through fascism—the greatest power of the fash is not the true believers, but the risk-averse people who want things to continue as they are, to not acknowledge that the arc of the status quo is descending. The left, which openly states that disruption is necessary, is far more threatening to dull, conventional power-holding people than the fash…who promise a return to greatness, the same things the same systems but with better outcomes.

To confront fascism, you have to acknowledge that fascism is built to conceal a crime: the existing social structures have failed because the hierarchy’s top has fed themselves to obesity rather than create a robust system that sustains all. A nationalism that uses heightened emotion and bathetic sentiment to communicate that some “other” has stolen the country’s greatness is the scapegoat and the bezzle. Brooks’ pseudointellectual career is based on declaring that there is no crime, that the constant upward flow of money and the bending of resources and lives towards the whims of a few individuals (pick your flavor: spicy Invade Iraq! or green-herb Meritocracy Means Subsidizing Billion-Dollar Industries) is natural, the sorting algorithm of human worth is functioning correctly.

He doesn’t like the fascists because if taken at face value there’s no place in their world for a David Brooks: they don’t need a guy who can quote Racine to make invading another country on slender pretexts seem smart and sophisticated, that’s not the gratification they’re looking for, they’re on the supply side of licking spit not the demand side.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 20, 2021 • 9:45:44am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So since he’s a minor, this means his parents would be the actual ones responsible, unless a settlement shifts the responsibility to him once he’s an adult. Which means I would lay money on his parents figuring out how to hide or protect any assets they might have with their crack legal team. Could a court freeze their go fund me income/account? Or stop donations entirely? I hate to see people lose everything, but two families lost someone more precious than money. Those families deserve something even if it’s mostly symbolic.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 20, 2021 • 9:52:58am

Still angry about yesterday’s endorsement of fascist vigilantism, even though I fully expected it. I’m going to cheer myself up by reading the latest from sorryantivaxxer.com.

They have a bumper crop of newly dead and dead-adjacent covidiots, really obnoxious shits too.

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BigPapa  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:00:11am

re: #98 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Reddit’s Hermain Cain Award tickles the Shadenporn Bone.
reddit.com

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plansbandc  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:07:35am
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Florida Panhandler  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:11:03am

re: #97 A Mom Anon

So since he’s a minor, this means his parents would be the actual ones responsible, unless a settlement shifts the responsibility to him once he’s an adult. Which means I would lay money on his parents figuring out how to hide or protect any assets they might have with their crack legal team. Could a court freeze their go fund me income/account? Or stop donations entirely? I hate to see people lose everything, but two families lost someone more precious than money. Those families deserve something even if it’s mostly symbolic.

The allegations are that the local police facilitated the armed thug’s street murders which means the city itself will likely be sued and cost the local taxpayers $$$ millions. It may not be criminal justice that is our democracy’s last hope but the civil courts. One thing the right wing con game loves more than ANYTHING is money. If outrageous behavior can only be subdued by civil courts then this is our country’s last hope for at least 20-30 years or so.

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darthstar  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:20:25am

re: #72 darthstar

Okay…time to walk the boys.

Mission accomplished.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:22:29am

It has been cloudy and cold here for the past week so I bought some gloves and a balaclava for today’s ride. Wouldn’t you know it, today is sunny and warming fast. I’ll regret the thermals later today. I’m going to ride to Port Costa for a beer and lunch.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:28:47am
The fate of the Build Back Better legislation, including the future of U.S. participation in attempts to limit the impact of the climate crisis, may depend on one of the weirdest phenomena of the modern world. It’s a trend that crosses an outdated technology from a dying market with a still-growing craze which baffles much of the public. And it all comes down to putting money in the pocket of one man.

The outdated industry is coal-powered electrical plants. The growing craze is cryptocurrency. And the man is, of course, West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin.

Stitch that all together, and you get a Politico report on how the Grant Town power plant near Morgantown, West Virginia has put forward a proposal to turn itself into a giant, coal-powered, cryptocurrency “mine.” If that proposal moves forward, it could ensure that the lone contract that defines Manchin’s “coal brokerage firm” will continue to hand him over $500,000 a year for doing very close to nothing. Then maybe we can all have nice things. Or, if the crypto-plant proposal fails, Manchin could still hold the entire bill hostage to his personal interest in fossil fuels.

Not only does all of this represent a massive conflict of interest, the timing of events serves to showcase what may be the height of placing individual greed above the greater good.

dailykos.com

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:30:39am

June 2020
‘Antifa bus’ hoaxes are spreading panic through small-town America

Misinformation leads to suspicion and even police action
Mythical buses full of bloodthirsty antifa protestors are causing panic in rural counties throughout the country — even though there’s no evidence they exist. The Associated Press has catalogued at least five separate rural counties where locals have warned of imminent attacks, although none of the rumors have been substantiated. Notably, the rumors are often tailored to a specific local region, a “hyperlocal” approach sometime used to boost the spread of misinformation on social media platforms.

NBC News first reported on the recent surge of antifa-related misinformation, some of which was promoted by white nationalist groups posing as antifa accounts. But even after the rumors were debunked, they continue to spread on Facebook, often inspiring real-life confrontations and instances of violence.

The notorious incident in Forks Washington, where a completely innocent and unsuspecting family was harrassed by armed goobers, was the work of the Nazi gang Identity Europa, which had posted a ridiculous riot-bus warning on a fake antifa account on Twitter.

Here in Texas, back in 2017, we saw hundreds of gullible fascists show up in person to resist a purported BLM attempt to remove a statue of Sam Houston (a Unionist, btw). The perps in this were just casual internet trolls.
Internet trolls prompt hundreds to protest fake statue removal in Houston

On Saturday hundreds of protesters, many of them armed and bearing Texas state and Confederate flags, turned out in Houston’s Hermann Park to protest the removal of a statue of the state’s first governor, Sam Houston.

There was just one problem: the city has no plans to remove it.

“It’s not even on my agenda. I haven’t even given it any thought,” Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner told local media last month.

Black Lives Matter Huntsville says no issues with Sam Houston Statue after weekend rumors

The Huntsville Black Lives Matter group says social media posts over the weekend misrepresented what they are about.

On Saturday, dozens of people gathered at the Sam Houston Statue on Interstate 45 after rumors spread it would be damaged or torn down. BLM members have said on several occasions they have no issues with Sam Houston, the former President of the Republic of Texas and statesman. Houston also wanted to preserve the Union during the Civil War.

“We all as citizens of Huntsville, we are not concerned with the Sam Houston monument. I have mad respect for Sam Houston himself,”

said Nia Williams, Black Lives Matter Huntsville president.

It’s not hard to imagine massive gun battles erupting between different gangs of fascist vigilantes, or even between free lance followers of different propaganda traitors. Will Carlson and D’Souza see their respective audiences mistaking each other for otherwise non-existent antifa rioters and mowing each other down? Anyone familiar with the history of “friendly fire” incidents will know that this is likely to happen anyway as the cosplay killers get more aggressive, even without deliberate manipulation.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:35:58am

I realize I go hard on this but…the pundit class are terrible people and should not be given the benefit of the doubt, ever.

What they say and do now has to be looked at through the lens of what they’ve done previously, and once you read enough of them over decades you can see that the pattern isn’t a healthy inquiry into politics or culture, but this aestheticized simpering. Even when it seems like they’re “on your side” they’re writing for an audience that isn’t you, and there’s an interpretative framework that has to be acknowledged beyond the words.

Propaganda is about emphasis…and people like Brooks and Friedman (and their myriad inferior-but-undifferentiated substitutes) have mastered a very particular kind of courtly language that never truly criticizes the powerful or acknowledges failure, where the message is not the opening and closing paragraphs of their latest meander, but rather what in the body of the text is allowed to be an axiom.

And admittedly, I react strongly this because propaganda used to be my specialty…it’s really frightening to see the kinds of prevarication and boostering that have come out of the people present as “reasonable” pundits of the cultural and politic middle. The scale of what was floated to the US public by these “reasonable” men—the destabilization of the Middle East, multiple wars based on a fiction—can’t be discounted.

It should be a black mark. That they’re still considered credible commentators on anything is…wrong.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:36:05am

re: #96 The Ghost of a Flea

The Information Age has seen new monopolies arise that have a great deal of control over how information is disseminated.

When it skews right, then people like Brooks are all for Economic Freedom and Corporations are People, too, my friend, but if they shut down prominent right-wingers (for violations of terms of use, not based solely on content) then it is Leftist Corporate Tyranny and we have to FORCE these corporations to relent…

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:37:13am

re: #4 jaunte

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Transcript here, dailykos.com.

And to paraphrase her end, for all of the minorities, especially African Americans, if you didn’t matter, they wouldn’t be trying so hard to stop you.

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danarchy  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:37:52am

re: #103 Dread Pirate Ron

It has been cloudy and cold here for the past week so I bought some gloves and a balaclava for today’s ride. Wouldn’t you know it, today is sunny and warming fast. I’ll regret the thermals later today. I’m going to ride to Port Costa for a beer and lunch.

It’s been years since I seriously biked, but struggling on the uphills was always my favorite part. It was when you got the best exercise, and was the best way to gauge your progress. There was a killer uphill near where I used to live and I remember when I first finished that climb and realized I wasn’t breathing heavy. It was a real sense of accomplishment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:40:42am

re: #109 danarchy

It’s been years since I seriously biked, but struggling on the uphills was always my favorite part. It was when you got the best exercise, and was the best way to gauge your progress. There was a killer uphill near where I used to live and I remember when I first finished that climb and realized I wasn’t breathing heavy. It was a real sense of accomplishment.

Steep uphills are a fun challenge, but our little valley has a very shallow grade that goes on for miles and there is no proper gear you can find, you are either in low gear flailing like a hamster in a wheel or in a higher gear standing on the pedals to keep up speed.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:40:51am

re: #109 danarchy

It’s been years since I seriously biked, but struggling on the uphills was always my favorite part. It was when you got the best exercise, and was the best way to gauge your progress. There was a killer uphill near where I used to live and I remember when I first finished that climb and realized I wasn’t breathing heavy. It was a real sense of accomplishment.

When your goal is getting to the top of the hill, it’s definitely worth struggling through. When you goal is to go to the store or to work and not smell like you struggled up a hill, having a little help is a good thing.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:42:49am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Information Age has seen new monopolies arise that have a great deal of control over how information is disseminated. When it skews right, then it is Economic Freedom and Corporations are People, too, my friend, but if they shut down prominent right-wingers (for violations of terms of use, not based solely on content) then it is Leftist Corporate Tyranny and we have to FORCE these corporations to relent…

So I just listened to a short summary of stuff from the Facebook Papers yesterday.

It was deeply upsetting, even being an informed ahead of time of things like what happened in Kerala and Burma, I hadn’t been aware of how casually FB talking about how damaging Instagram was to children, how their services fuck people up by making them addicted to fear and anger and that’s the goal because it means more engagement.

The Gordian Knot I don’t know how to cut is…Big Tech is terrifying unto itself and as a society we do need to think about what it means that so much of ours lives has bent around social media and data collection.

But the right wing solution…whether it’s someone like Brooks pitching it, or trash like Bari Weiss, or your outright fascists…is to redistribute things so they’re wearing the boot on everyone else’s neck. That’s always their solution to everything: being allowed to crush more throats.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:45:26am

re: #112 The Ghost of a Flea

I have never used FB as a source of news other than what my family and homies are up to or what sort of local events are going down.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:48:23am

When laid out like this one gets a acute sense of the crisis:

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Dopamine Fish  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:51:07am

Spent my morning doing a bunch of domestic stuff. New aerator in the bathroom sink, new shower head in the master bathroom, two oil changes (one for each car). Made myself breakfast and lunch. Now I’m beat and ready to be a potato.

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wrenchwench  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:51:10am

re: #109 danarchy

It’s been years since I seriously biked, but struggling on the uphills was always my favorite part. It was when you got the best exercise, and was the best way to gauge your progress. There was a killer uphill near where I used to live and I remember when I first finished that climb and realized I wasn’t breathing heavy. It was a real sense of accomplishment.

I thought at one time that electric bikes would turn people on to, and enable some training for, acoustic cycling. Doesn’t happen. Nobody (so far as I can tell) transitions from an electric bicycle to a regular bicycle. Electric bicycles are too heavy to even start a hill-climb without artificial power added. I thought someone would try a human-powered bike and be pleased by the light weight and increased sense of accomplishment (and health) but I haven’t heard of it happening. Maybe the information is being suppressed by the electric bike industrial complex.

Electric bikes are better than cars. Human-powered bikes are way superior to electric bikes (motorcycles).

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:51:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:53:28am

re: #117 Belafon

34% of Democrats did not vote in Virginia.

Sorry the candidate wasn’t “exciting enough” for you VA.

We’re trying to save Democracy.

No one promised you a good time.

So the absence of a Trump to vote against has the effect of depressing the Democratic vote? Does not bode well for 2022

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:53:54am
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Semper Fi  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:54:43am

re: #62 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. Yesterday I spent $92 at DiBruno Bros for a week of dinners. That was only a little bit more because I bough Nt an extra Beef Pot Pie for Thanksgiving.

I did a search on DiBruno Bros and decided I’d like to live down the street from that place. Nice food selections.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:54:53am

re: #119 Belafon

I agree. Happy B’day Joe. :)

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 20, 2021 • 10:57:21am

re: #120 Semper Fi

Yes. They do get a lot of locals coming in to get food/meals to go. They also have a small restaurant upstairs. I like to go in there after work on Fridays and pick up a few or more things for the week.

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2021 • 11:05:05am

I googled it; looks like it’s your Zabar’s.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2021 • 11:06:55am

“…Here’s my favorite quote about politics:
“I think of voting as a chess move, not a valentine.” — Rebecca Solnit

Once you let go of falling in love with politicians, and think instead of who is strategically most likely to succeed in making your values and goals a reality, life gets so much simpler. You aren’t so shocked when politicians compromise, or when they are arrogant or timid or fallible. It takes a certain weird kind of ego to run for office in the first place. A healthy skepticism and an attitude of “what are you likely to do for the issues I care about” is called for.

In love, I recommend giving your whole heart, even if it might be broken. In politics, I don’t.

Every once in awhile, though, you come upon a politician who seems to be doing it mostly for the right reasons, to genuinely care about people and want to help. It’s rare, but I’ve seen a few. And I think Beto O’Rourke is one of them. I’m not in love with Beto. I’m not calling myself a “Beto Girl” or a “Betocrat.” But I believe the guy is sincere, and I’m impressed with his instincts, and I respect his determination to keep trying to achieve what he’s trying to achieve, which is an electorate the truly represents the complicated, diverse state of Texas….”

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 20, 2021 • 11:08:55am

re: #123 sagehen

You are correct. How long has Zabar’s been around? DiBruno Bros has been around for eighty years.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 20, 2021 • 11:10:06am

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have never used FB as a source of news other than what my family and homies are up to or what sort of local events are going down.

It’s…beyond just the news function, though.

I’d suggest you read about it. It’s like a company running Skinner box tests on people, but also the algorithm specifically points people towards stronger and stronger emotional reactions even in the non-news content.

It’s really bad when you realize that there’s giant chunks of the world where Facebook is the portal for the whole internet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 20, 2021 • 11:13:48am

re: #126 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s…beyond just the news function, though.

I’d suggest you read about it. It’s like a company running Skinner box tests on people, but also the algorithm specifically points people towards stronger and stronger emotional reactions even in the non-news content.

It’s really bad when you realize that there’s giant chunks of the world where Facebook is the portal for the whole internet.

I have read some articles about the study. I am always on the lookout and very aware of when people are using rhetorical and semiotic tricks trying to yank my emotional chain, and generally ignore or even block it.

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Jay C  Nov 20, 2021 • 11:14:12am

re: #125 PhillyPretzel

You are correct. How long has Zabar’s been around? DiBruno Bros has been around for eighty years.

Since 1934.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 20, 2021 • 11:15:59am

re: #128 Jay C

They got a few more years than DiBruno’s.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 20, 2021 • 11:30:27am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Nov 20, 2021 • 11:37:36am

re: #105 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

It also occurred to me that a big increase in armed vigilantes will lead to the cops shooting at least some of them. For the really sociopathic cops, the ones who commit most of the killings, the killing is the thing. They will kill anyone they can get away with killing, even if it is an “armed friendly” (a term the Albuquerque PD actually used for fascist gun-dogs who threatened an anti-genocide demonstration). Dozens of dumbshit goobers milling around in the middle of a riot would be sitting ducks for this, meat on the hoof for psycho killer-cops. Beyond that, the “Back the Blue” fascist alliance is a paper thin figleaf in many cases, that is, many of the fascists are actually rabid cop haters themselves and will gleefully try to shoot back.
Get out the popcorn, but only if you have a strong stomach.

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2021 • 12:13:57pm

re: #125 PhillyPretzel

You are correct. How long has Zabar’s been around? DiBruno Bros has been around for eighty years.

Since 1934.

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2021 • 12:23:16pm

re: #129 PhillyPretzel

They got a few more years than DiBruno’s.

And it’s still the original family, grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the founders run it now.

Citarella is older, 1912, but it’s not the original family anymore.


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