The White Stripes in 2001: “Screwdriver” (Live on the Late Late Show With Craig Kilborn)

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One of the weirdest bands ever to hit it big, and I say that with nothing but respect. Unapologetic and in your face.

The White Stripes performing “Screwdriver” live on The Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn on June 7th, 2001. The White Blood Cells era performance was the bands’ first ever US late night TV appearance.

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Lyrics:
Tuesday morning now
I gotta have somewhere to go
I call up Tommy now
I call him on the telephone
Won’t you wake up and come with me now
I’m going to the pawn and loan
Walking down thirty three
Walking down thirty oh

Well what am I supposed to think
I drop a nickel in the sink
I love people like a brother now
But I’m not gonna be their mother now
What if someone walked up to me
And like an apple cut right through me
I’m not just gonna stand there grinning
Cuz I’m not the one who’s sinnin’
Screwdriver

Now that you have heard my story now
I’ve got a little ending to it now
Whenever you go out alone
Take a little dog a bone
Think about your little sister
Then you got to drive it home
Screwdriver

I got a little feeling goin’ now [12x]
Now! Now! Now!

#TheWhiteStripes #Screwdriver #Live

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 1:43:54pm
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prairiefire  Dec 4, 2021 • 1:44:34pm

Meg the Machine! I love her drumming.

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Greup  Dec 4, 2021 • 1:46:08pm

I saw them in 2008 in what i think was their last European tour. Felt like they did half their catalog in their first 20 minutes because jack just kept jumping between songs and Meg just followed whatever he did. Madness and probably the best concert I’ve seen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 1:46:23pm
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The GOP is a terrorist organization  Dec 4, 2021 • 1:47:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 1:50:55pm
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Belafon  Dec 4, 2021 • 1:54:56pm

re: #5 The GOP is a terrorist organization

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What’s the actual story?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 1:55:46pm

re: #7 Belafon

What’s the actual story?

Jim is lying

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2021 • 1:56:09pm

Saw someone i truly want to be reinfected: a guy at Walmart was wearing a “Chinavirus survivor” shirt.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2021 • 1:58:54pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:02:40pm

lol, that was hours ago; the current ratio:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:08:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:10:38pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:14:11pm

Assy, possibly gassy, but definitely not classy.

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ckkatz  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:15:16pm

Timothy Snyder’s newest ‘On Tyranny’ chapter video just dropped. He talks a bit about the 2020 election.

Chapter 15: Contribute to good causes

LESSON 15: Contribute to Good Causes

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Jay C  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:20:52pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jim is lying

Yeah: just more stock Republican scare-the-rubes BS about “immigrants” - carp enough about “illegals” and shove the blame onto “Democrats” - IMO, it’s a pretty sad commentary on the level of our political discourse that this blithering crap (from a Congressman who is considered a “GOP leader” [Dog help us]) is what passes for commentary

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:24:09pm

From Forbes:

Americans have purchased more than 18 million guns so far this year, making 2021 the second-busiest year for firearm sales in at least two decades, according to estimates — a surge that comes amid a spike in gun violence, including a school shooting near Detroit this week.

The busiest year for gun sales in at least two decades?

2020.

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:27:00pm

re: #2 prairiefire

Meg the Machine! I love her drumming.

Too bad Jack eventually said that she was only in the band because she was a musical idiot. Right or wrong, Jack has ended up on my list of jerk musicians that I don’t need to follow.

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ckkatz  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:37:46pm
CNN has terminated host Chris Cuomo following an investigation conducted by a law firm that the network said had turned up “additional information.”

Chris Cuomo fired by CNN after investigation into aid to brother Andrew Cuomo
washingtonpost.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:41:07pm

re: #19 ckkatz

Chris Cuomo fired by CNN after investigation into aid to brother Andrew Cuomo
washingtonpost.com

Partial credit. Should have happened well before now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:42:09pm

welp

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nines09  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:45:18pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seems the Irish aren’t the only ones to hold grudges. Hmmm…..

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Jay C  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:45:28pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp

Still pissed off about that Schism, huh??

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ckkatz  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:54:15pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reminds me of the time I visited the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. The building and environs are of direct interest to a wide and diverse group of Christian Denominations. And are governed by a very large series of contracts and agreements reached over centuries of disputes.

Needless to say, it is human nature to test boundaries. And human nature to react… energetically… such boundary testing.

hildareilly.com

ets - removed sentence that while not intended that way, might be read as questioning a religious faith. My apologies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:54:49pm

re: #19 ckkatz

Chris Cuomo fired by CNN after investigation into aid to brother Andrew Cuomo
washingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:56:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:58:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:59:12pm
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nines09  Dec 4, 2021 • 2:59:53pm

Oh. Look. Nazis.

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:01:34pm

re: #7 Belafon

What’s the actual story?

City elections — community boards, that sort of thing.

ETA: NYC only. Neighborhood committees that do things like maintaining the vegetable gardens in vacant lots, the flower gardens in median strips, garbage collection in parks, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:02:07pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:03:25pm

Tens of thousands of years in the future, if anyone is still around, someone will dig up structures to figure out how people lived in the past:

La Palma: Red Villa stops the lava in the middle of lava fields! 4K Drone 60 fps 04.12.21

..

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:04:36pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

I read they were getting booed.

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nines09  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:06:42pm

re: #33 Belafon

I’d be looking for rocks.

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ckkatz  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:08:51pm

re: #32 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Note to self - Do not live downhill from a volcano.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:10:20pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

See? There IS a way to get them to wear masks!

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:14:11pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:15:03pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Paul Lee Ticks fixed up Massie’s family photo

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:17:47pm

Oh yeah HAPPY HANUKKAH

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:24:10pm

re: #24 ckkatz

Reminds me of the time I visited the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. The building and environs are of direct interest to a wide and diverse group of Christian Denominations. And are governed by a very large series of contracts and agreements reached over centuries of disputes.

Needless to say, it is human nature to test boundaries. And human nature to react… energetically… such boundary testing.

And it is human nature to remember things that happened, or perhaps didn’t actually happen in previous millennia.

hildareilly.com

YIKES! Pretty telling that the rival Christian gangs have to entrust the main key to a local Muslim family. That should go a step further. The Israeli government should take it over, evict the current squabblers, and declare it an international cultural monument (which it is, after all). They could then auction off an exclusive 20 year management and access concession to the highest bidder; subject to certain conditions of course. True, Kenneth Copeland or some other high dollar pulpit pimp might win, but it wouldn’t be any more of a circus than it has been for centuries and we could at least count on him to fix the roof and put in a fire exit.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:26:28pm

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

YIKES! Pretty telling that the rival Christian gangs have to entrust the main key to a local Muslim family. That should go a step further. The Israeli government should take it over, evict the current squabblers, and declare it an international cultural monument (which it is, after all). They could then auction off an exclusive 20 year management and access concession to the highest bidder; subject to certain conditions of course. True, Kenneth Copeland or some other high dollar pulpit pimp might win, but it wouldn’t be any more of a circus than it has been for centuries and we could at least count on him to fix the roof and put in a fire exit.

NOPE. I can already hear the screams from the BDS swarms.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:29:19pm
In April 2008, priests, worshippers and Israeli police were all involved in a brawl after some Armenian priests tried to eject a Greek priest whom they considered to be gatecrashing their procession. Participants beat each other with the palm fronds they were bearing in commemoration of Christ’s entry into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday.

Self awareness does not appear to be a prime virtue with these people. These brawls always result in arrests. I wonder if the local cops have special priest cages for the suspects. Probably need more than one to keep them from killing each other in custody.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:29:29pm

:(

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:32:12pm

re: #39 The Pie Overlord!

Oh yeah HAPPY HANUKKAH

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On the radio this morning, someone announced that there were four days to go. I didn’t get up to check, but I thought there was something wrong there….

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:35:20pm

Tonight is night 7.

Kurstin x Grohl: The Hanukkah Sessions 2021: Night Seven

Dec 4, 2021 • Michael Geoffrey Jones, born to Russian Jewish mother Renee Zagansky, would come to be known as punk rock legend Mick Jones, co-founder of The Clash. It’s London Calling Jerusalem as we take a “Train In Vain.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:36:44pm

or watch on YouTube:

Nichelle Nichols: Woman on a NASA Mission

NASA celebrates the life and career of Nichelle Nichols, famous for her role of Lieutenant Uhura on Star Trek, as she retires from public life.

Not only did Nichols portray a character that was an incredible role model, but in 1977, she also partnered with NASA to recruit minority and female personnel for the space agency’s shuttle program.

Nichols symbolized to so many what was possible and inspired young minds to pursue science, technology, engineering, and mathematics careers.

Video Producer: Sonnet Apple
Music: Universal Production Music

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:45:44pm

³

So had a great visit with my daughters and granddaughter.

Since one of my daughters is severely immunocomprised and my granddaughter had open heart surgery in October, we all wore masks.

My granddaughter is such a delight. After spending over a third of her life in NICUs and PICUs, she the happiest little kid.

All the hours spent in hospital rooms were more than worth it.

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ckkatz  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:50:56pm

re: #47 A Cranky One

That is a wonderful picture. My very best wishes to you and all of yours!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:51:26pm

re: #47 A Cranky One

What a great trio of cuties!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:52:16pm

and is that one of MrsC’s amazing quilts in the background?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:54:43pm
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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:54:48pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

and is that one of MrsC’s amazing quilts in the background?

Yes. She rotates them by seasons.
While I was not interested in quilts when we met, I soon learned that she was creating works of art.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:55:03pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 3:56:57pm
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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:00:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:00:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:01:50pm
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Jay C  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:02:14pm

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

YIKES! Pretty telling that the rival Christian gangs have to entrust the main key to a local Muslim family. That should go a step further. The Israeli government should take it over, evict the current squabblers, and declare it an international cultural monument (which it is, after all). They could then auction off an exclusive 20 year management and access concession to the highest bidder; subject to certain conditions of course. True, Kenneth Copeland or some other high dollar pulpit pimp might win, but it wouldn’t be any more of a circus than it has been for centuries and we could at least count on him to fix the roof and put in a fire exit.

Isn’t the Holy Sepulchre the church that has had an old wooden ladder stuck on a ledge for like 150 years or more, because none of the various sects who have (even-longer) established rights there have ever decided who has the authority to remove it?
Doesn’t bode well for the spirit of ecumenical cooperation….
Though I agree that having the Israelis take over might not be the best idea.

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:05:32pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and their flags are all upside-down, signalling distress.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:07:18pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:08:40pm

re: #39 The Pie Overlord!

Oh yeah HAPPY HANUKKAH

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Happy Hanukkah Pie.

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steve_davis  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:12:25pm

today i learned on the internet that in order to get the country sound on my tele, I need an enormous amount of compression. suddenly, i sound like johnny cash, if he still had his tone, but really, really sucked at guitar. this is fantastic!

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:20:19pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

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To quote Arlo Guthrie:

Let’s get Santa Clause ‘cause;
Santa Clause has a red suit
He’s a communist
And a beard, and long hair
Must be a pacifist
What’s in the pipe that he’s smoking?

Mister Clause sneaks in your home at night.
He must be a dope fiend, to put you up tight
Why do police guys beat on peace guys?

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nines09  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:20:46pm

re: #62 steve_davis

A well built compressor will enable you to increase sustain without squishing the sound completely.
Little George of Little Feat fame made his career with compression. They said he used two at once. He knew what he was doing.

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:23:00pm

re: #62 steve_davis

today i learned on the internet that in order to get the country sound on my tele, I need an enormous amount of compression. suddenly, i sound like johnny cash, if he still had his tone, but really, really sucked at guitar. this is fantastic!

When Mrs Cranky gets annoyed at the number of guitars I own, I try to explain that they play and sound differently. How I play a song depends a lot on the tone, sustain, etc. of that particular guitar. Two different guitars means two different interpretations.

As our host has noted, sometimes it’s all about tone.

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:27:00pm

After a quest for pedals and different electric guitars, I felt I had plateaued from a skill perspective.

Then I bought a really good acoustic and discovered how much sloppiness I had been hiding. On an acoustic, you hear everything.

So watching some of the really special acoustic players can have me in awe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:28:20pm

some cuteness:

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steve_davis  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:30:22pm

re: #66 A Cranky One

That’s sort of what I do when practicing. I spend a lot of time playing the electrics unplugged on the theory that you can’t hide when there’s no distortion/ sustain/compression.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:31:04pm

re: #66 A Cranky One

After a quest for pedals and different electric guitars, I felt I had plateaued from a skill perspective.

Then I bought a really good acoustic and discovered how much sloppiness I had been hiding. On an acoustic, you hear everything.

So watching some of the really special acoustic players can have me in awe.

My new PRS has really pointed out to me how bad I am. I’m trying to get better, doing more exercise type practice and such. I’m less worried about tone as such, though sometimes I’ll fire up the pedals to make a song I’m trying to play sound a little closer.

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nines09  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:31:18pm

Little George and his magical slide with compression. Liquid.

Little Feat Lafayette Railroad

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nines09  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:37:01pm

re: #68 steve_davis

You can also tune in compression to “even” the sound. I use my compressor for both sustain and smoothness with no squish.
Always on, part of my sound. If I turned it off I’d know it.
Overdrives will compress your signal, so tune your compressor in with your dirt pedals if you want a bit of dirt. Or a lot.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:37:26pm

re: #62 steve_davis

today i learned on the internet that in order to get the country sound on my tele, I need an enormous amount of compression. suddenly, i sound like johnny cash, if he still had his tone, but really, really sucked at guitar. this is fantastic!

What do you use as a compressor?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:43:21pm

I was just looking through Marcy Wheeler’s page and she’s doing a great job reminding us that, yes, Chris Cuomo is a POS, but also that Fox night-time hosts were basically Senior Advisors to POTUS 45 in private and on air.

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steve_davis  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:46:28pm

re: #72 Barefoot Grin

What do you use as a compressor?

I’ve got the Boss CS-3. Amazon owed me 40 bucks in store credit, and I found a warehouse one (trivial cosmetic issues that knocked about 40% off the price) that almost was covered by that. funnily, i’ve never really cared that much for country music. I mean, I could listen to buck owens and the buckaroos, or brad paisley, but I’ve just suffered through a lot of really shitty country western and pop country on the radio in various stores through the years. Then I found a book called 100 Country Lessons, from Hal Leonard, and the licks are just intriguing as hell. My feeling is that if I can master that tone and those licks, I’ll be one damned intriguing rock/blues guitarist to jam with in several years, because I’ll have a whole arsenal of licks and flavors that “standard” rock guitarists don’t have.

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mmmirele  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:49:00pm

Sharing this…and it doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Basically, it’s a reference to the Japanese policy of sakoku, which was a severe restriction of trade and commerce with the outside world under the Tokugawa Shogunate. However, it actually started in a primitive form in 1603, lasted for sure until Commodore Matthew Perry showed up with a fleet and a threat to shell Edo (now Tokyo) in 1853 and definitively ended in 1868 when the shogunate was overthrown and replaced by the Emperor as head of state.

So it has nothing to do with the gloomy feeling among some Americans that it feels like we’re rolling back into a Puritan theocracy.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:50:28pm

re: #73 Barefoot Grin

I was just looking through Marcy Wheeler’s page and she’s doing a great job reminding us that, yes, Chris Cuomo is a POS, but also that Fox night-time hosts were basically Senior Advisors to POTUS 45 in private and on air.

Which only shows that @CNN is slightly more ethical than @FoxNews.

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nines09  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:50:42pm

re: #74 steve_davis

That’s a good compressor. I have that modified by Humphry’s Audio. No noise, smoother. Bought 12-14 years ago.
You’ll find your sweet spot in time with it.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:53:12pm

re: #74 steve_davis

I’ve got the Boss CS-3. Amazon owed me 40 bucks in store credit, and I found a warehouse one (trivial cosmetic issues that knocked about 40% off the price) that almost was covered by that. funnily, i’ve never really cared that much for country music. I mean, I could listen to buck owens and the buckaroos, or brad paisley, but I’ve just suffered through a lot of really shitty country western and pop country on the radio in various stores through the years. Then I found a book called 100 Country Lessons, from Hal Leonard, and the licks are just intriguing as hell. My feeling is that if I can master that tone and those licks, I’ll be one damned intriguing rock/blues guitarist to jam with in several years, because I’ll have a whole arsenal of licks and flavors that “standard” rock guitarists don’t have.

Very cool. I got a Boss TR-2 Tremolo over the summer and I love it. I’m not looking for chickin’ pickin’ a la Brent Mason, but I would like to find a bit more mastery over tones. I love the kind of grumbling tones of the guitarists behind Kathleen Edwards and people like Doug Pettigrew when I saw him playing with Lucinda Edwards many years ago. I actually prefer a freer lightly overdriven tone, but I’d like to play with a compressor. And for all the boutique effects makers, I’ve realized that the pros often turn to Boss.

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:56:38pm

re: #73 Barefoot Grin

I was just looking through Marcy Wheeler’s page and she’s doing a great job reminding us that, yes, Chris Cuomo is a POS, but also that Fox night-time hosts were basically Senior Advisors to POTUS 45 in private and on air.

as always, IOKIYAR

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steve_davis  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:58:53pm

re: #78 Barefoot Grin

Very cool. I got a Boss TR-2 Tremolo over the summer and I love it. I’m not looking for chickin’ pickin’ a la Brent Mason, but I would like to find a bit more mastery over tones. I love the kind of grumbling tones of the guitarists behind Kathleen Edwards and people like Doug Pettigrew when I saw him playing with Lucinda Edwards many years ago. I actually prefer a freer lightly overdriven tone, but I’d like to play with a compressor. And for all the boutique effects makers, I’ve realized that the pros often turn to Boss.

the other thing the compressor is good for, apparently, is early carlos santana. that was another thing that surprised me a bit. I think like many people, i just never really understood what compressors did. The consensus does seem to be put it at the front of your pedal chain, though, if you get one.

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nines09  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:59:22pm

re: #78 Barefoot Grin

If I was in the market for a compressor today, this is what I’d buy.
The pros use this pedal.

compressor

One of the first “boutique” builders he started by modding existing pedals. His pedals are among the best. YouTube has detailed videos of his stuff. I had a “baked mod” Ibanez TS-9 that screamed.

You can sometimes save a bit on Ebay but that is not what it once was.
But buy quality and when you want to sell you will regain a larger poprtion of your money back.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2021 • 4:59:59pm

George hates the electric guitar so I leave it in favor of the acoustic, which I have always preferred.

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John Vreeland  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:00:47pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:00:54pm

re: #58 Jay C

Isn’t the Holy Sepulchre the church that has had an old wooden ladder stuck on a ledge for like 150 years or more, because none of the various sects who have (even-longer) established rights there have ever decided who has the authority to remove it?
Doesn’t bode well for the spirit of ecumenical cooperation….
Though I agree that having the Israelis take over might not be the best idea.

They could always let the Saudi Royals bid on the management contract. They have a whole bureacracy for keeping the Haj more or less in order. They could set up an infidel subsidiary and register it in Palestine. Business is business, you know.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:03:30pm

Dang image got flipped.

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John Vreeland  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:07:55pm

How do you find 500 men who never learned to march?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:08:04pm

re: #81 nines09

If I was in the market for a compressor today, this is what I’d buy.
The pros use this pedal.

compressor

One of the first “boutique” builders he started by modding existing pedals. His pedals are among the best. YouTube has detailed videos of his stuff. I had a “baked mod” Ibanez TS-9 that screamed.

You can sometimes save a bit on Ebay but that is not what it once was.
But buy quality and when you want to sell you will regain a larger poprtion of your money back.

I hear good things about this one, yes. Didn’t realize that it is price competitive with Boss.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:11:13pm

re: #82 Amory Blaine

George hates the electric guitar so I leave it in favor of the acoustic, which I have always preferred.

Every time I’ve lived in Japan I’ve stopped by the local pawn shop to get a nylon-stringed guitar. For whatever reason—schools use a lot for music classes, they are quiet in apartments—I can usually get one for about $50. I don’t play classical, but they are just fun in general.

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mmmirele  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:12:41pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp

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I suspect the “heresy” in question is the addition of what is known as the “filioque” by the Latin churches. Why yes, some religious types completely lost their shit because the Western churches added “and the Son” (filioque) to the Nicene Creed’s pronouncement of the Holy Spirit (“he has proceeded from the Father”). Of course, the original Nicene Creed was driven in part by a raging discussion about homousios (similar substance) versus homoousion (same substance). The former was the belief of Arius, and the Nicene Creed came about as a way to stamp this out.

I’d just note Jesus would have been mystified by an obtuse theological discussion about two words in the Greek of three centuries later. Yet, this is the stuff of which schisms are made.

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Danack  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:13:04pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

I saw someone on fark say something that reasonated……..and is super depressing at the same time:

The actions of the parents are completely consistent with what their actions would have been, if they thought their kid was suicidal, not murderous, and they thought he was going to kill himself, not other people.

They weren’t alarmed after being told he was searching for how to buy ammo online, and instead saying “lol just don’t get caught”.

Refusing to pull him out of school and instead going back to work, despite being told “this kid is very likely to hurt someone”.

Fleeing, instead of staying to try to help their kid, who might, y’know need some help right now.

Ugh.

Apologies for saying something dark, but…this is what a Republican approved 50th semester abortion looks like. Putting guns into the hands of mentally ill children.

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:13:46pm

re: #84 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

They could always let the Saudi Royals bid on the management contract. They have a whole bureacracy for keeping the Haj more or less in order. They could set up an infidel subsidiary and register it in Palestine. Business is business, you know.

pretty sure the Vatican could outbid anybody and everybody. Even the Saudis.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:16:19pm

re: #83 John Vreeland

Every time I see this picture, it enrages me anew and reminds me of Ethan Crumbley’s November 29th online search for ammunition, the concern of his teacher who made every attempt to warn his parents, and the blithe response of his mother who thought it was hilarious. Is Massie depraved enough to have modeled his comment “ps. Santa, please bring ammo.” after Ethan’s behavior?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:17:42pm

re: #91 sagehen

pretty sure the Vatican could outbid anybody and everybody. Even the Saudis.

They’d be barred since they’re among the current disruptive tenants (Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Syrian Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Coptic and Ethiopian).

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nines09  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:17:48pm

re: #87 Barefoot Grin

Boss has some definite keepers. But the real magic is in the “boutique” builders who have turned the effects business on it’s head.
Then at the other end, Chinese effects makers have lowered the prices and have completely usable well built pedals. Clones.
That Keely link is active and you can look at his products.
Analogman is another magician.
Oh and Earthquaker Devices and JHS Pedals. JHS has a series of pedals out under 100 bucks. All the ones you would need to make music.

Joyo is a very good Chinese effects pedal manufacturer. So good in fact… Do those pedals look familiar?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:19:33pm

re: #94 nines09

Boss has some definite keepers. But the real magic is in the “boutique” builders who have turned the effects business on it’s head.
Then at the other end, Chinese effects makers have lowered the prices and have completely usable well built pedals. Clones.
That Keely link is active and you can look at his products.
Analogman is another magician.

Joyo is a very good Chinese effects pedal manufacturer. So good in fact… Do those pedals look familiar?

I have Earthquaker, Xotic, and Lovepedal pedals, so I do know a bit. But if you want “that” sound, you’ll usually find that the pros are using boutique with mostly tried and true.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:20:57pm

Don’t think I’m quite ready to endorse this but it is an interesting hypothesis. I tend to see Big Woo as the biggest villain, with many, many accomplices and collaborators.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:21:16pm

Well so, my son had this new book Hanukkah in America by Diane Ashton so I read part of it. It has A BIG GIANT CHABAD MENORAH on the cover and there is a chapter about Chabad & its world wide Menorah Lighting which she dismisses as “a fringe Hasidic sect”

SO WHY IS OUR MENORAH ON THE COVER OF YOUR BOOK??

Then she devotes pages upon pages to actual fringe sects that nobody has ever heard of.

I asked my son why did you buy this book?

He said, it was sent to me for a review.

So I’m like, are you going to review it?

He’s like, naw not wasting my time on a fringe author.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:24:54pm
Lara Logan: Secretly sidelined?
Has Lara Logan been quietly benched by Fox News? All indications are yes. Logan has not appeared on the right-wing channel since the Monday “Fox News Primetime” appearance in which she compared Fauci to Mengele. Fox isn’t commenting on the matter, but prior to that Monday appearance, Logan was a mainstay on the network. Now she has disappeared. However, a hush-hush period in the penalty box is not sufficient: As groups like the ADL and AJC have indicated, Fox should publicly say something…

Reliable Sources (CNN Business)

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mmmirele  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:25:28pm

re: #97 The Pie Overlord!

LOVE IT!

This just made me bust up laughing and then my deafish mother asked me what that was all about. (Oh, just the Internet…)

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nines09  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:25:28pm

re: #95 Barefoot Grin

You’d be surprised at simplicity of some pro pedal boards.
Some of the magic is put on by the FOH through the PA.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:25:46pm

re: #94 nines09

Boss has some definite keepers. But the real magic is in the “boutique” builders who have turned the effects business on it’s head.
Then at the other end, Chinese effects makers have lowered the prices and have completely usable well built pedals. Clones.
That Keely link is active and you can look at his products.
Analogman is another magician.

Joyo is a very good Chinese effects pedal manufacturer. So good in fact… Do those pedals look familiar?

Behringer is the cheap line I turn to. Very good clones of famous pedals. Right now, my chain is a Tube Screamer clone -> Boss DS1 -> Boss DM3 Delay clone -> Boss RV3 reverb clone. I have been thinking about getting a Boss RV6 reverb because it adds some spacey effects and built-in delay but perhaps next should be the Behringer CS400 clone of the Boss CS3?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:27:52pm
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sagehen  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:28:45pm

Let’s talk about an error cops will make after Michigan….

Back when I was in High School, there was a serial killer working some of the less-traveled California highways, who the police had somehow decided was probably using flashing blue and red lights to get women to pull over. The CHP announced this publicly, told everybody that if it looks like a cop is trying to pull you over, whether you’re speeding or not, if you’ve got a tail light out or not, even if you’re driving drunk… anything at all, if there’s lights or even a siren behind you, please feel free to continue to a well-lit populated spot and pull in there, we won’t be issuing any “failure to obey” tickets for the duration.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:32:14pm

this thread is so much fun

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nines09  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:32:42pm

re: #101 William Lewis
Behringer does some nice stuff. Their Fuzz is a Boss clone. I tried a few. Sold the EQ pedal. Nope. And I can’t remember the other I had. Distortion and OD is just different flavors and what you’re trying to get out of it.
Boss or Keeley compressor.
Keeley if I was buying today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:38:01pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

“plummet” reminds me of the monty python sketch:

Notice that they do not so much fly as plummet. Observe for example that ewe in that oak tree. She is clearly trying to teach her lamb to fly.

another part of that sketch:

Harold, the most dangerous of animals.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:40:16pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:40:51pm

re: #107 Dread Pirate Ron

That is cute. :)

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No Malarkey!  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:41:46pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:44:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:47:22pm

re: #109 No Malarkey!

and then there’s stupid reactions like Randy here:

hunting, my aunt fanny

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:47:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:49:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:49:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:51:40pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:52:14pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

FrontPage

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:54:45pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:56:26pm
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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:56:44pm

Random thought:

I wonder what would happen if Biden came out tomorrow and said that the US was going to send every available dose of vaccine to African, Asian, and South American nations? Would there be the typical nationalist/xenophobic reaction from the usual suspects? Or would there be a rush on vaccinations?

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 4, 2021 • 5:57:21pm

re: #110 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Well at least this laptop has a decent camera and I can Zoom with my wives. Why yes, I am now in a Internet polycule. If you followed me on the bird app, you would have already known that.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:06:02pm

I think the real perfidy of this whole “compared to cancer” thing isn’t just that cancer isn’t contagious, it’s that…conservatives also oppose regulations and rules that block the kinds of pollution that create cancer, and further deny outright a causal link between likely carcinogens—air pollution, pesticides, et cetera—and cancer.

Go back to the denial of smoking causing lung cancer—which I got an earful of as a kid, as I hacked away with bronchitis in a three-pack-a-day house—and the pattern isn’t “well, this new limitation isn’t reasonable” it’s “we’re always going to let people die because the better kinds of people—and corporations are people, the best people, my friend—cannot be told what to do.”

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:08:18pm

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:08:19pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:09:09pm

re: #119 KGxvi

Random thought:

I wonder what would happen if Biden came out tomorrow and said that the US was going to send every available dose of vaccine to African, Asian, and South American nations? Would there be the typical nationalist/xenophobic reaction from the usual suspects? Or would there be a rush on vaccinations?

Both.

This is an non-rational drive for unchecked power in search of the latest pretext. If you’re looking to break plates and scream at your wife, then complaining about how the food is bad and the portions too small are both viable paths to reach the end goal.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:13:18pm

These Justin Hawkins videos are addictive I must say. For a rock star he seems like a basically OK dude.

Don’t Waste Your Time If This Is Your Attitude Toward Music

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:14:30pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:14:34pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:14:50pm

re: #123 The Pie Overlord!

Nope. Last time I rented a U-Haul, it specifically stated in the lease, that transporting people in the back was forbidden and the lease is immediately null and void if you did. The gentleman who leased it to me even made sure to point that out to me for some reason.

* Edit. I misread. He points out that it IS a violation of the contract and will void it making the renter(s), not U-Haul’s liability.

Sorry, my bad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:17:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:20:34pm

re: #123 The Pie Overlord!

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The Proud Boys did the same thing in Philly on July 3, only with a Penske rental truck. IIRC, Penske was pissed.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:21:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:22:52pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:26:18pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pseudoscience, New Age, and conservatism converge because they all substitute performativity for validity. Each benefits from an uncritical audience seeking simple answers.

It’s the Pablum-Industrial Complex.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:26:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:27:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:29:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:31:23pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:32:33pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Proud Boys did the same thing in Philly on July 3, only with a Penske rental truck. IIRC, Penske was pissed.

Yeah I remember that now. It now explains why the U-Haul rep stressed that point when I moved back from Jackpot.

* Just an addendum, it was my Sister—In-Law who was driving the truck while pulling the trailer with the egg on it. Not Me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:38:58pm
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Cheechako  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:41:59pm

re: #138 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

A number of years ago, a family was using a U-Haul to move across country. They let their 3 kids sleep in the back with the door open about a foot for ventilation. At a truck stop in Laramie they checked on the kids and found all 3 kids dead from carbon monoxide poisoning. It was a really tough time for the first responders.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:45:13pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:48:09pm

re: #140 Cheechako

A number of years ago, a family was using a U-Haul to move across country. They let their 3 kids sleep in the back with the door open about a foot for ventilation. At a truck stop in Laramie they checked on the kids and found all 3 kids dead from carbon monoxide poisoning. It was a really tough time for the first responders.

Makes me wonder how I survived childhood. My old man would put a propane heater in the (truck bed mounted) camper when we went out in the winter. But at least he stressed keeping the vents open and the windows cracked. Oh and don’t knock it over.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:49:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2021 • 6:58:33pm
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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:06:20pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

All the lovely fools laughing hysterically at his “joke”.

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:10:00pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is a good rule of thumb… if a government entity of any form says they think you were involved in criminal activity, you invoke your constitutional right to shut the fuck up.

It is sad and disappointing that we got here. But I don’t blame these guys for invoking their rights. I just wish they would have had the courage to tell the orange idiot that he lost, fair and square

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plansbandc  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:13:06pm
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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:13:35pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

I tried to listen to it, but damn… his voice still annoys the fuck out of me. And it’s such a whiny little bitch thing to say “we got so many votes” yeah, and Biden got even more, just like Hillary did in 2016

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:20:23pm

re: #148 KGxvi

I still cannot tolerate DT’s voice. Even with Joe’s occasional gaffe he is much easier to listen to than DT ever was.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:26:09pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:30:19pm

I just can’t get used to California being green before March.

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:33:43pm

re: #141 Dread Pirate Ron

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Let them watch ESPN. and TCM. and PBS. and Disney+.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:41:22pm

re: #148 KGxvi

I tried to listen to it, but damn… his voice still annoys the fuck out of me. And it’s such a whiny little bitch thing to say “we got so many votes” yeah, and Biden got even more, just like Hillary did in 2016

His voice is horrible and it has gotten even worse than it was 5 years ago.

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:43:34pm

re: #153 The Pie Overlord!

His voice is horrible and it has gotten even worse than it was 5 years ago.

I don’t see him running again. He’s detiorating steadily.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:47:43pm
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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:50:20pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Lynx

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Semper Fi  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:50:34pm

re: #155 Dread Pirate Ron

When I was a kid it was always Valveeta in a grilled cheese sammich.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:53:55pm

re: #155 Dread Pirate Ron

re: #157 Semper Fi

dibruno.com

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plansbandc  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:57:53pm

re: #149 PhillyPretzel

I am repulsed by looking at him and hearing him is even worse. I have muted and blocked people for putting his picture in my timeline.

He’s disgusting in every possible way.

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plansbandc  Dec 4, 2021 • 7:59:49pm

re: #157 Semper Fi

I liked it burnt absolutely black on an open face sammie. (I have a bit of a burned cheese and general burned food fetish.)

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:00:05pm

re: #159 plansbandc

I just hope that all of these nasty clips of him, saying things like that, are kept. I know his idiots love them, but the majority of this country doesn’t like it. My worst fear is that R’s will just plain cheat, even more than they have been.

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ckkatz  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:03:11pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Which, of course, is why when at the original deposition, he was asked by Representative Raskin “Who is the attorney and who is the client?”; He refused to answer; And shortly thereafter walked out.

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Semper Fi  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:06:50pm

re: #158 PhillyPretzel

dibruno.com

Thanks. People in the Eastern US have these great places to shop for food.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:08:30pm

re: #163 Semper Fi

Yes we do. And to my knowledge Di Bruno’s will ship food all over the US.

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Semper Fi  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:08:48pm

re: #160 plansbandc

I liked it burnt absolutely black on an open face sammie. (I have a bit of a burned cheese and general burned food fetish.)

I lean that way also. It’s a special flavor.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:10:58pm

re: #165 Semper Fi

ewww

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:11:27pm

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ckkatz  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:12:50pm

It was foretold:

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:13:01pm

re: #167 retired cynic

Lutefisk. ::: putting on respirator :::

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:16:30pm

re: #168 ckkatz

THWACK!

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:20:04pm
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Semper Fi  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:23:31pm

re: #167 retired cynic

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After mom and dad divorced mom took up with a fellow from North Dakota farm country. He became my step-dad. To hear him talk you’d swear he just got off the boat from Norway - heavy accent but was born in ND. A Prince of a man. He always raved about Lutefisk and wanted to cook some up. He finally found some and began cooking it up one Saturday morning. It stunk the house up some badly mom made him stop and throw it out.
I never did taste it.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:24:39pm

re: #171 Dread Pirate Ron

Somehow, unsurprisingly, Nate Silver calls foul and thinks the real question is if press is more “fair” to Biden.

The fact that he’s considering the current coverage ‘fair’ seems to speak volumes.

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ckkatz  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:25:24pm

re: #167 retired cynic

There are also surströmming and kæstur hákarl. YouTube used to have some entertaining videos of people trying canned surströmming.

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CleverToad  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:26:51pm

re: #167 retired cynic

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Uff da! I would have loved showing that mug to my Norwegian grandmother :)
She ate lutefisk. In very small quantities. At the holidays only. I don’t know how much she liked lutefisk, but by yiminey, it was tradition. My mom said the only person in her generation who really liked lutefisk was her cousin Ingeborg’s NON-Norwegian husband Virgil.

Grandma did like sardines and gjetost cheese, though, was always happy get her hands on either. We grandkids were mostly okay with the gjetost — none of us had enough Norsk blood to cotton to the fishy dishes.

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A Three Hour Tour  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:30:19pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

With Trump, EVERY day is Festivus.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:37:20pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

Scared me. Thought she had passed on.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:39:05pm

re: #173 Citizen K

WTF?

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:43:37pm

… and the press will broadcast what they say without any analysis like the good little stenographers they are.

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ckkatz  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:45:04pm

From yesterday:

Russia planning massive military offensive against Ukraine involving 175,000 troops, U.S. intelligence warns

As tensions mount between Washington and Moscow over a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine, U.S. intelligence has found the Kremlin is planning a multi-front offensive as soon as early next year involving up to 175,000 troops, according to U.S. officials and an intelligence document obtained by The Washington Post.

The Kremlin has been moving troops toward the border with Ukraine while demanding Washington guarantee that Ukraine will not join NATO and that the alliance will refrain from certain military activities in and around Ukrainian territory. The crisis has provoked fears of a renewed war on European soil and comes ahead of a planned virtual meeting next week between President Biden and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“The Russian plans call for a military offensive against Ukraine as soon as early 2022 with a scale of forces twice what we saw this past spring during Russia’s snap exercise near Ukraine’s borders,” said an administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information. “The plans involve extensive movement of 100 battalion tactical groups with an estimated 175,000 personnel, along with armor, artillery and equipment.”

washingtonpost.com

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:45:07pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:51:06pm

Trump may not drink, but liberally indulge in other…substances of varying legality.

Also, why are there constant news stories about how Democrats should kiss the ass of rural voters and hardly any about the GOP making inroads in urban areas?

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2021 • 8:52:08pm

re: #178 retired cynic

WTF?

I’d like to blame brainworms, but the more likely explanation is the same institutional internalization that Dems somehow ‘deserve’ more negative coverage than Republicans, that they deserve to be covered with more suspicion and scorn. That, plus, per always, the media somehow ‘learning’ to be more adversarial to Dem leaders after years of deference to Republican ones. YOu know the same game, “Oh, we were too soft on this GOP guy, that must mean we must be more confrontational with the next guy, lets start with these Dems now that they’re in charge”.

The same press that figured the lesson of ‘16 was not being ‘fair’ enough to Trump and that they treated him too harshly.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2021 • 9:05:18pm
Best-selling author Alice Sebold, known for her memoir Lucky as well as novels The Lovely Bones and The Almost Moon, apologized Tuesday to the man she wrongly accused of raping her in 1981 while she was a freshman at Syracuse University.

In a post published on Medium, Sebold said she was “truly sorry” for the charge that left Anthony Broadwater, a Black man, behind bars for 16 years, but nimbly avoided her part in the travesty. She instead indicted the “American legal system.”

Read the whole thing: m.dailykos.com

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 9:07:35pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2021 • 9:16:28pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nope!! Don’t have to watch him now that he’s no longer President.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2021 • 9:17:45pm
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Belafon  Dec 4, 2021 • 9:53:12pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 9:53:40pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 10:13:40pm
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Belafon  Dec 4, 2021 • 10:17:30pm

re: #190 Dread Pirate Ron

Rhode Island is the one weird one in that last list.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 10:23:37pm

hi

With all the guitar talk around here, I thought I’d let folks know I’m moving toward buying a new instrument (not a guitar).

Extremely local news:

As I’m now back to playing hammered dulcimer in short periods (ten minutes or less, strengthening my hands, working on grace and deftness again, and getting back in practice), my wife offered an incentive.

She says that even after the hideously expensive HVAC system we had put in a couple months ago, there is plenty of money left in our checking account to buy both a new computer (I’ve worn the letters off the keys so you have to know where they are), and to buy a new “war dulcimer” (4+ octave chromatic hammered dulcimer).

She had me searching out companies that I might like to get one from.

There are only a few I trust that have been in business for a long time and are skilled at making hammered dulcimers; probably I will settle on Dusty Stings of Seattle, Wash.

Since I bought my current hammered dulcimer in 1991, Folkcraft Instruments (then based in New Caanan, Conn. where they had a shop and I’d replaced my previous dulcimer as the strings were starting to fold it up due to the tension and it would no longer tune properly), Folkcraft has gone out of the business of making hammered dulcimers.

She says she will spring for the dulcimer if I get back to regular playing (and not talk about politics so much).

I suggested their largest hammered dulcimer, the D670 4 1/2 octave chromatic dulcimer ($4,255), with optional acoustic dampers (those are on each side of the instrument at the bridges, and operate like a piano damper with a pedal which releases the dampers, $795), black soundboard ($130, my current dulcimer also has a black wood soundboard because as I learned on my first dulcimer, a polished wood soundboard makes it extremely difficult to see all those strings when they are also reflected in the wood), installed electric pickups (when I played gigs in Florida and Georgia I used two microphones on booms which is a pain in the butt to set up right) for $345, and a gig bag ($485). Locally, I would also hire the finishing carpenter to make me a wood case which would withstand potential damage better.

I expected her to come after me with a rolling pin for that suggestion. Instead, she said, “sounds good.”

So we might be soon supporting a local business on the Left Coast.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2021 • 10:30:23pm

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Dusty Strings has a good rep around here. Enjoy!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 10:33:16pm

re: #193 William Lewis

Dusty Strings has a good rep around here. Enjoy!

Goalz:

Get back in practice well enough so I can again compete in the National Hammered Dulcimer Competition at the Walnut Valley Festival in Winfield, Kansas. I was last in competition in 2010. I still get mail from them asking every year if I’m going to compete again.

I didn’t do so well in 2010; of thirteen competitors, I came in seventh.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2021 • 10:34:55pm

re: #191 Belafon

Rhode Island is the one weird one in that last list.

From the beginning, I have been skeptical of case counts. Many, especially those with mild symptoms, never get an official diagnosis, unless they are in situations that require testing. Certain states do not make it convenient for those who suspect illness to get a test. Per worldometer, Rhode Island has the highest number of tests administered per 1 million in the nation; it is not surprising that the state shows up in the top 10 for cases.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 10:37:24pm

re: #195 Hecuba’s daughter

From the beginning, I have been skeptical of case counts. Many, especially those with mild symptoms, never get an official diagnosis, unless they are in situations that require testing. Certain states do not make it convenient for those who suspect illness to get a test. Per worldometer, Rhode Island has the highest number of tests administered per 1 million in the nation; it is not surprising that the state shows up in the top 10 for cases.

And then there are the states which make it difficult to get a test at all (mine, for example).

We are now rising exponentially in our second wave, with hospitalisations not yet at the pandemic peak but aiming for it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 10:41:13pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2021 • 10:45:20pm

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And then there are the states which make it difficult to get a test at all (mine, for example).

We are now rising exponentially in our second wave, with hospitalisations not yet at the pandemic peak but aiming for it.

Per Johns Hopkins, my state of Illinois shows about 15% of ICU beds occupied by Covid patients; Nebraska now shows about 35%.

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2021 • 10:51:07pm

William:
I inherited a camera and some glass from my dad. Some of it was used in Vietnam during the war, to provide a time frame.

Here are some of the lenses:

Canon FD 300mm 1:5:6
Tamron 28mm 1:2.8
Zivnon 1:38 80-205mm
Tamron 1:2.8 135mm
Canon 1:1.8 50mm

Are they usable and worth the effort to rehome?

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2021 • 10:59:44pm

re: #198 Hecuba’s daughter

Per Johns Hopkins, my state of Illinois shows about 15% of ICU beds occupied by Covid patients; Nebraska now shows about 35%.

Sadly, my county has seen a significant increase in cases recently. Not surprising, since on the times I’ve gone out, I’ve noted masking is greatly reduced.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:12:37pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:14:36pm

re: #198 Hecuba’s daughter

Per Johns Hopkins, my state of Illinois shows about 15% of ICU beds occupied by Covid patients; Nebraska now shows about 35%.

Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services Statewide Dashboard

The state says of the total 3,254 medical/surgical beds, 377 are occupied by Covid-19 patients, and 18% of beds are open in the state.

Of 485 ICU beds, 168 are Covid-19 patients (35%), and 9% of beds are open in the state.

Of 238 paediatric ICU beds, 8 are Covid-19 patients, and 26% of beds are open in the state.

The statewide case rate per 100,000 is 586 over two weeks.

In the County Statistics Map (DHHS), in the Panhandle my county is the worst (847/100,000, or 15th of ninety-three counties). 935 people are confirmed having caught the disease (about 20%). 33% of the county population 5+ is fully vaccinated.

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:17:36pm

I splurged and spent about $1500 on new stereo gear over the post-TG sales. It’s still in the boxes waiting to be set up. I may have to return it now.
Today the furnace went out. It’s snowing in MN but not too cold. I’ve got four space heaters running at 900w apiece, all in different breaker zones. The bedroom is about 64 right now, which is more than enough. I’m keepimg an eye on rooms with plumbing and hoping that the new furnace can be installed on Monday and won’t wipe out too much of my savings. The old furnace is around 30 years old. Crap.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:22:57pm

re: #203 stpaulbear

I splurged and spent about $1500 on new stereo gear over the post-TG sales. It’s still in the boxes waiting to be set up. I may have to return it now.
Today the furnace went out. It’s snowing in MN but not too cold. I’ve got four space heaters running at 900w apiece, all in different breaker zones. The bedroom is about 64 right now, which is more than enough. I’m keepimg an eye on rooms with plumbing and hoping that the new furnace can be installed on Monday and won’t wipe out too much of my savings. The old furnace is around 30 years old. Crap.

Yikes. Stay warm. Your house is warmer at the moment than mine was in February when my floor model furnace went out. Two 1,500W space heaters couldn’t keep up in this little house on the prairie that seems to have the insulation of crepe paper.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:24:16pm

Eschaton, today:

I don’t have kids so I don’t have insight anyone should listen to, but I sometimes wonder about parenting/growing up in the Trump era. Whether in a Trump-loving household, or a Trump-hating one, kids grew up (for 4 years) seeing The President Of The United States as Donald fucking Trump.

Young millennials and the oldest Zoomers grew up seeing George Fucking Bush as the president. I know Bush was packaged on teevee as Commander Bunnypants, the great savior of Western civilization, Giver of Turkee to the world, but he was almost as absurd as Trump was.

That’s separate from their policies or governance. Just, look at those fucking goofuses! The presidents!

Dignitude

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:24:39pm

re: #199 A Cranky One

Camera lenses hold their value.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:33:01pm

re: #201 Dread Pirate Ron

Conservatives are a homicide cult, not a suicide cult.

They want to infect you.

At the start of the pandemic when Agolf Twittler was doing everything he could to play down the pandemic, I counselled everyone I could to stay away from conservatives as much as possible. I got dragged for being divisive.

While most probably wouldn’t intentionally try to make you sick with a deadly disease, you cannot know by looking which one will try.

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:33:51pm

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yikes. Stay warm. Your house is warmer at the moment than mine was in February when my floor model furnace went out. Two 1,500W space heaters couldn’t keep up in this little house on the prairie that seems to have the insulation of crepe paper.

Thanks. This 125 y.o. house doesn’t have great insulation or windows either. I’m trying to get out into senior housing but the waiting list is moving slow. No one is dying///. This will be a good fixer-upper for a young couple with some energy and patience. It’s too much for me now.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:39:04pm

Sad thread, five tweets.

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:40:17pm

G’nite all. It’ll be good to have this weekend behind me.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:42:18pm

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yikes. Stay warm. Your house is warmer at the moment than mine was in February when my floor model furnace went out. Two 1,500W space heaters couldn’t keep up in this little house on the prairie that seems to have the insulation of crepe paper.

In California they put minimal insulation in a house. When the gas furnace failed twice in the last 6 years it took days to get it repaired and it got cold (CA relative cold - 58F) in the house. PG&E would charge an arm and a leg to run electric space heaters on top of regular electric use. Damn ‘tier’ pricing.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:43:59pm

re: #211 Dread Pirate Ron

In California they put minimal insulation in a house. When the gas furnace failed twice in the last 6 years it took days to get it repaired and it got cold (CA relative cold - 58F) in the house. PG&E would charge an arm and a leg to run electric space heaters on top of regular electric use. Damn ‘tier’ pricing.

Three cheers for Nebraska’s socialist electric network (don’t call it socialist though, our conservatives would have a cow).

There are no private utility companies in the state.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:49:47pm

Virginia Beach was made just a bit safer from Christians.

Va. megachurch pastor arrested, charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor (Christian Post, more at the link)

A Virginia pastor was arrested during a sting operation to capture individuals seeking sexual relations with minors online and is facing a felony charge of soliciting prostitution.

John Blanchard, a 51-year-old pastor at the Rock Church of Virginia Beach, was one of 17 individuals arrested in the operation, according to an announcement from Chesterfield County Police on Monday.

“During the two-day operation, detectives intercepted suspects who believed they were soliciting sex from minors through online and social media platforms,” explained authorities.

“The suspects communicated with people they believed to be underage members of our community and arranged to meet them at a location to have sexual relations. When the suspects came to the location, they were met by police and arrested.”

Note to the Chesterfield County Police: It is not “arranging to have sexual relations.” It is allegedly “arranging to rape a child.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:55:56pm

Meanwhile on the other coast, the world is being made more dangerous by the Catholic Church (via the National Catholic Reporter)

Archbishop Cordileone reveals he’s not vaccinated for COVID-19, drawing sharp criticism

San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone has revealed he is not vaccinated against the coronavirus and suggested — incorrectly — that the inoculations the federal government approved to prevent COVID-19 “are not really vaccines.”

“We think of a vaccine as a shot that gives you immunity to a disease for life or at least for a very long time. And these actually don’t give any immunity at all. They give protection,” Cordileone told The San Francisco Chronicle Dec. 1.

(more)

Like any good Liar for Jesus, he said his physician tells him it is not necessary to get vaccinated.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 4, 2021 • 11:58:42pm

re: #214 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Cordileone told the Chronicle that is “not an anti-vaxxer.”

Archbishop, you’re a liar.

Why should anyone care about Christian faith at all when it is represented by liars?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:10:00am

Christian Consumer Group Condemns Salvation Army (Joe My God)

Last year 2nd Vote stood behind the Salvation Army’s anti-LGBT+ stance.

This year they are boycotting the Salvation Army over their newly-adopted anti-racism stance, calling it “leftist.”

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A Cranky One  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:12:25am

I grew up arguing theology with sharp folks of many faiths.

One of the biggest problems with any large faith is the definition of the church.

I respected the folks I talked with that saw their church as the members. The people.

There was a second camp who defined the church as the institution. These are the people that hide crimes to “protect ” the church, meaning the institution.

I have serious issues with those who wish to protect the institution instead of the church members.

But I understand the difference between the groups and don’t conflate them.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:15:46am

re: #209 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Sad thread, five tweets.

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Bike traffic safety has become much more important as a driver since I started riding. Riding a bike I’d prefer to stay off roads but we only have 2 trails that go through the valley. Bike lanes are inconsistent, you may get a mile or so and then it’s gone and you have to actually take the whole lane or ride on the sidewalk for a half mile until the next lane. Most streets that are above 25 MPH here are 4 lane roads so cars can use the other one. I take the lane and speed up to 25. The fat tires make me look like a slow motorcycle. I have brake lights and tail lights and a flashing safety light on back. I rode 35 miles to San Ramon and back today on the Canal and Iron Horse trails. My only dealings with traffic is riding down the street to the trail and then crossing roads on the trail. I’ve done some front wheel stands when stopping fast when the view is obstructed by plants until a sidewalk width from the road. I’ve now seen 2 EBRP Police patrolling the Iron Horse trail. The first was on an e-bike with a t-shirt and shorts and today I saw one riding a motorcycle and wearing a uniform in Danville while I was resting on a bench, and later caught up to him again in WC. They’ve posted 15 MPH speed limit on the trails every mile or so. The explosion in e-bikes in the past 2 months has led to a crackdown on speed. I cruised at 13.5 MPH pretty much the whole ride. I went 35 miles and used about half my battery. What was that term for driving your car in a certain manner to get super mileage efficiency? It was a thing in the late 80s or the 90s. I was kinda doing ‘that’ on my bike today.

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ckkatz  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:27:41am

As a data point, iirc, my furnace puts out about 40k btus. (Fuel Oil)

There is a small propane heater called Mr Buddy. Oficially there are mixed statements on whether it should be run indoors. As a matter of practice, with a Carbon Monoxide detector, I know a lot of people who do. The larger one ‘Mr Big Buddy’ uses 2@1lb propane canisters and will run for about 4 hours on high heat at about 8k btus.

You can also get attachments that will allow you to hook up the 20lb propane tanks. But those should be kept outside.

When I was in the Middle East, we used kerosene space heaters that ran about 8-12 hours on 2 gallons of kerosene and put out about 20k btu’s.

I do not recommend them though. Because if you do not get the wicks exactly correct (and I did not have that talent) they put out a cloud thick oily smoke. And this was back in the 1970’s. I suspect that safety in the US is a good bit more stringent these days.

Further, another group using them decided to dry off their wet clothes using the kerosene heaters. They quickly found out that this was not a good idea. Fortunately they only lost some clothes, not the entire flat.

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ericblair  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:27:42am

re: #180 ckkatz

From yesterday:

Russia planning massive military offensive against Ukraine involving 175,000 troops, U.S. intelligence warns

washingtonpost.com

My read is that nobody know whether Russia will further invade Ukraine, including Putin. The primary goal of this buildup was likely to try to scare European countries into essentially handing Ukraine back over to Russia, like this is possible, but that’s how the Kremlin thinks. Plus that’s how a lot of the so-called Russian liberals think, but anyways.

So far, this has failed, like Belarus’s weaponization of refugees. There was some serious tension in the EU before that with Poland and the current government’s contempt for rule of law, but as soon as the Belarus stuff happened, everybody had everybody’s back. It’s like having a knock-down family fight and someone else throwing a brick through your front window: all the family shit gets forgotten while you deal with the asshole outside.

The US administration is taking a strong pro-Ukraine stand. I can’t see US or NATO troops entering Ukraine, but definitely continued weapons support, which is driving Putin nuts. I think this is the right call, as any attempt at appeasement here is just going to look like weakness to Putin and encourage him to go further. Military analysts are considering a Russian (further) invasion unlikely, but they could execute punitive strikes in Ukraine and dare the West to do something about it.

And as a general statement, just because a Ukrainian speaks primarily Russian doesn’t mean they support Russia, any more than an English speaker automatically supported the Loyalists in the American Revolution. The idea that the Russian language belongs to Russia is the source of the cultural imperialism that the Kremlin has been pushing in the last decade.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:32:12am

re: #219 ckkatz

There is a small propane heater called Mr Buddy. Oficially there are mixed statements on whether it should be run indoors. As a matter of practice, with a Carbon Monoxide detector, I know a lot of people who do.

And they shouldn’t do that. One should never risk your life on a single fail point of a safety device.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:37:13am

I’m going to shuffle off and play dulcimer a bit more, then hit the rack.

My wife bought a pulse oximeter for us since time is of the essence if you become infected and we are a long way from a hospital that can do anything.

I got a wonky reading out of it tonight: 40 O2 and 45 pulse. I don’t think that was correct. It worked fine for her. Maybe I should use my toes.

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Targetpractice  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:37:42am

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What I am most curious about at this time is what exactly went on in that second meeting on Tuesday. What we’ve been told is that the parents were called in, they were shown the drawings and told he needed to be taken from the school to see psychiatric help, but they resisted such and insisted he be allowed to return to class. In the time since, we’ve discovered that they’re hardcore MAGAts and deadbeats who bailed on their kid and have since retained a high-priced lawyer while he’s stuck with a public defender.

My guess is that, like a lot of MAGAts, they thought the admins were “overreacting” because their kid had an interest in guns. If asked about guns in the home, they either lied (no guns/all secured) or they responded with hostility (“That’s our business”). And all they cared about was getting their kid back in class so they could go about their day, rationalizing that if there was something wrong then they as the parents would have been the first to notice.

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ckkatz  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:38:24am

re: #218 Dread Pirate Ron

Wow! It certainly sounds like you are getting your money’s worth with that ride! I hope that you will be able to enjoy it for many years.

Locally there are several bicycle clubs that conduct group rides. Several of them seem to time them to evening rush hour, particularly in the summer. And several of the groups seem to pride themselves with being “hard charging and willing to assert their rights versus cars”. In this area with a lot of Type A personalities, I have seen a lot chicken played by both cars and cyclists.

Personally, I have no desire to hit anybody. When I see such cycle groups coming and it is clear that they will overtake me, I just pull over and let them proceed untroubled. I have stopped at intersections where I had right of way, and just waved the group on.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:41:20am

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m going to shuffle off and play dulcimer a bit more, then hit the rack.

My wife bought a pulse oximeter for us since time is of the essence if you become infected and we are a long way from a hospital that can do anything.

I got a wonky reading out of it tonight: 40 O2 and 45 pulse. I don’t think that was correct. It worked fine for her. Maybe I should use my toes.

Ours gets wonky when the battery gets low but it has a hard time with my wife’s pulse and O2 even when it works great for me.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:50:48am

re: #224 ckkatz

In SF there was a militant bike group that would cause traffic jams at rush hour… Ah, Critical Mass was their name.

Today on the trail I passed a group of 12-15 going the other way, all riding big 26” fat tire e-bikes. Some days in the past few I’ve been seeing more e-bikes than regular bikes on the trail. L.A. area has ESK8 e-bikers that have mass rides. They have some crazies riding 40+ MPH on ‘e-bikes’ (more like e-mopeds or even e-motorcycles), unicycles, skateboards, and scooters.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:52:54am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:59:51am
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ckkatz  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:59:59am

re: #226 Dread Pirate Ron

There is a local paved trail called the W&OD that cuts through the Virginia ‘burbs down to the Potomac River.

(It was originally the roadbed for the Washington and Old Dominion Railroad line. The Line would bring produce and gentleman farmer commuters from the Virginia countryside to the District. The Highway System put that out of business after World War 2.)

As a walking and biking path it attracts quite an assortment of people. From type A bicyclists on expensive racing bikes to little old ladies walking their elderly dogs and standing on the far side of the path from the aforementioned leashed dog.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2021 • 1:14:04am

Yeah, the Rails-to-Trails Conservancy has turned a lot of old railroad right-of-ways into bike and hiking paths.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 1:26:07am

re: #230 Dread Pirate Ron

Yeah, the Rails-to-Trails Conservancy has turned a lot of old railroad right-of-ways into bike and hiking paths.

They do a lot of that in Europe as well.

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ericblair  Dec 5, 2021 • 1:26:15am

re: #229 ckkatz

There is a local paved trail called the W&OD that cuts through the Virginia ‘burbs down to the Potomac River.

(It was originally the roadbed for the Washington and Old Dominion Railroad line. The Line would bring produce and gentleman farmer commuters from the Virginia countryside to the District. The Highway System put that out of business after World War 2.)

As a walking and biking path it attracts quite an assortment of people. From type A bicyclists on expensive racing bikes to little old ladies walking their elderly dogs and standing on the far side of the path from the aforementioned leashed dog.

I ran and biked that thing all the time when I lived in NoVA. Pretty flat, because train tracks, and few road crossings too. You could run or bike for tens of miles without thinking about the route or worrying about cars.

The worst conflict I ever had on it was with an eight point buck standing in the middle of the path refusing to move. I had to pick my way around in the brush to avoid getting an antler in the ass.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2021 • 1:45:51am

When I’m too old to get my leg over a bike I’ll get one of these - UTCustom Catrike Fat Cat-4 Quad

And when I’m too old to pedal I’ll get one of these - NOTAWHEELCHAIR RIG

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 5, 2021 • 1:48:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 1:52:24am

Let’s play “the WHOLE BACK YARD IS LAVA!!!”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2021 • 2:00:18am

re: #235 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Let’s play “the WHOLE BACK YARD IS LAVA!!!”

I remember watching that in Hawaii a few years ago, too. I’ll still take earthquake over lava, tornado, flood, or hurricane.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2021 • 2:06:47am

re: #103 sagehen

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Back when I was in High School, there was a serial killer working some of the less-traveled California highways, who the police had somehow decided was probably using flashing blue and red lights to get women to pull over. The CHP announced this publicly, told everybody that if it looks like a cop is trying to pull you over, whether you’re speeding or not, if you’ve got a tail light out or not, even if you’re driving drunk… anything at all, if there’s lights or even a siren behind you, please feel free to continue to a well-lit populated spot and pull in there, we won’t be issuing any “failure to obey” tickets for the duration.

The other thing is that is prolonging escape. If the students have an escape path, it may be better to take it and get out when they can. I’m seeing the timeline of that intersection and it’s too damn long.

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Targetpractice  Dec 5, 2021 • 2:16:10am

If I had a nickel for every time somebody has called me in the middle of the morning and told me “I just made a reservation and I was wondering if you all allow early check-ins.”

Bonus points if they admit that they’ve actually read the website to know that check-in begins at 3pm, but they thought it was a suggestion and made the reservation before calling me to see if it was cool to get an early check-in.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2021 • 2:24:00am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t get it. What was the accidently bit?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2021 • 2:40:10am

re: #190 Dread Pirate Ron

I went to Michigan yesterday for the first time in almost two years. In my town, masks are required in any establishment. By law. Very few idiots giving people shit about it. I went into CVS. Masks were on maybe 5% of people (I double masked). One CVS worker, an older woman, wasn’t wearing a mask. Some old white guy, no mask, decided to ask her a question by coming up and standing right next to me. I gave him The Death Stare and jumped away from him like an Olympic hurdler. The prick. I was very happy to come home.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2021 • 2:44:23am

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Goalz:

Get back in practice well enough so I can again compete in the National Hammered Dulcimer Competition at the Walnut Valley Festival in Winfield, Kansas. I was last in competition in 2010. I still get mail from them asking every year if I’m going to compete again.

I didn’t do so well in 2010; of thirteen competitors, I came in seventh.

I’d heard of a hammered dulcimer but had no idea what it was. Wow. What a pretty sound!

Everybody Wants To Rule The World - Ted Yoder cover Tears for Fears

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2021 • 2:48:57am

re: #239 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I don’t get it. What was the accidently bit?

It was a double negative, he called himself out.

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dharmamark  Dec 5, 2021 • 3:03:53am

re: #81 nines09

I went to high school with Keeley.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2021 • 3:11:58am

re: #217 A Cranky One

There was a second camp who defined the church as the institution. These are the people that hide crimes to “protect ” the church, meaning the institution.

I have serious issues with those who wish to protect the institution instead of the church members.

But I understand the difference between the groups and don’t conflate them.

If you stay in the church as all this comes out, you’re providing inherent support.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2021 • 3:19:46am

re: #242 Dread Pirate Ron

It was a double negative, he called himself out.

Ok. I’m feeling especially stupid this morning.

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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 3:25:02am

re: #233 Dread Pirate Ron

When I’m too old to get my leg over a bike I’ll get one of these - UTCustom Catrike Fat Cat-4 Quad

And when I’m too old to pedal I’ll get one of these - NOTAWHEELCHAIR RIG

Brother in law got a notawheelchair last year.
Possibly a different brand.
He’s thrilled

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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 3:28:17am

re: #245 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Ok. I’m feeling especially stupid this morning.

Im not feeling especially not stupid this morning

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ericblair  Dec 5, 2021 • 3:50:09am
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jeffreyw  Dec 5, 2021 • 3:53:00am

Good morning!

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The Squire of Logos  Dec 5, 2021 • 3:53:47am

Right. I am off for the early Sunday morning provisions run. BBL. For those of you still relaxing in your PJs, please continue.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Dec 5, 2021 • 3:55:00am

Twitter has deleted Paul Lee Leek’s revision of the pic of the Massie gang posing with their guns.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Dec 5, 2021 • 4:17:49am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2021 • 4:46:58am

White nationalists take the time and effort to go to DC and march and then get ID’d by other white nationalists as antifa.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 5, 2021 • 4:54:18am

re: #237 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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jeffreyw  Dec 5, 2021 • 5:30:20am

re: #252 Dread Pirate Ron

Fish Stalking
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 5:55:51am
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Targetpractice  Dec 5, 2021 • 5:57:11am

*sigh*

“Parental rights” until you face liability, then it suddenly becomes the school’s responsibility to save you from the consequences of your piss-poor parenting.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2021 • 5:57:59am

re: #199 A Cranky One

William:
I inherited a camera and some glass from my dad. Some of it was used in Vietnam during the war, to provide a time frame.

Here are some of the lenses:

Canon FD 300mm 1:5:6
Tamron 28mm 1:2.8
Zivnon 1:38 80-205mm
Tamron 1:2.8 135mm
Canon 1:1.8 50mm

Are they usable and worth the effort to rehome?

Good morning,
I’m honestly not sure what to tell you. Canon’s old FD mount had some excellent lenses made for it but because Canon abandoned it for the EOS EF mount for autofocus cameras until recently, they were not usable for digital. Now they can be adapted to the various mirrorless cameras systems (Fuji, Sony, etc) they are still not as in demand as, say, Nikon or Pentax lenses. They’re still great pieces of glass but people aren’t paying as much for them. I’d see if the good folks at KEH ( keh.com ) would offer you anything for them.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:00:53am

re: #113 Charles Johnson

I loved that 😔

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:03:13am

re: #229 ckkatz

There is a local paved trail called the W&OD that cuts through the Virginia ‘burbs down to the Potomac River.

(It was originally the roadbed for the Washington and Old Dominion Railroad line. The Line would bring produce and gentleman farmer commuters from the Virginia countryside to the District. The Highway System put that out of business after World War 2.)

As a walking and biking path it attracts quite an assortment of people. From type A bicyclists on expensive racing bikes to little old ladies walking their elderly dogs and standing on the far side of the path from the aforementioned leashed dog.

When I lived down in Alexandria for a few years (1987-89) and worked in D.C. I was bicycling fairly frequently using a touring bike (12-speed) I’d picked up in college.

My usual post-work cycle loop was getting my bike over to the Potomac Trail just south of Alexandria and go down to Mount Vernon and back. 15 miles and I could do a decent clip on the flat spots and there was a little bit of hill work. (Main threat was if the boardwalks in the marshy areas were wet - I went down there once and completely smashed up a front rim into a post.)

I did shuttle the bike over to the W&OD one Saturday. Went from Dunn Loring to Leesburg and back, which was 25 miles each way. The last 10 miles were a bit painful.
The killer to me were the up hills now and then were the trail did at-grade crossings of some of the roads running perpendicular to the trail. Very nice trail, but there was simply a bit of work to get the bicycle over to it.

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Teukka  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:09:22am

So, the place I was at over the weekend had this Christmas decoration that make me chuckle…

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:10:39am

re: #261 Teukka

It would make me chuckle too. :)

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:23:21am

I’m disappointed that NBCSN is running Mike Lindell commercials during premier league matches. Mute button is getting a workout.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:26:24am

re: #240 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I went to Michigan yesterday for the first time in almost two years. In my town, masks are required in any establishment. By law. Very few idiots giving people shit about it. I went into CVS. Masks were on maybe 5% of people (I double masked). One CVS worker, an older woman, wasn’t wearing a mask. Some old white guy, no mask, decided to ask her a question by coming up and standing right next to me. I gave him The Death Stare and jumped away from him like an Olympic hurdler. The prick. I was very happy to come home.

In my visit to Meijer yesterday in Ann Arbor about 80% were masked.

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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:35:46am

re: #257 Targetpractice

*sigh*

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“Parental rights” until you face liability, then it suddenly becomes the school’s responsibility to save you from the consequences of your piss-poor parenting.

this this this this this

or more generally:

muh rights until I face liability, then it suddenly becomes anybody else’s fault and responsibility to save me from the consequences of my piss-poor judgment

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:38:06am

re: #265 Dangerman

this this this this this

or more generally:

muh rights until I face liability, then it suddenly becomes anybody else’s fault and responsibility to save me from the consequences of my piss-poor judgment

Party of responsibility as long as someone else pays and they are not inconvenienced.
/(spit)

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:38:10am

re: #251 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Twitter has deleted Paul Lee Leek’s revision of the pic of the Massie gang posing with their guns.

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Paul changed all the guns to dildos.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:39:34am

re: #267 The Pie Overlord!

And Twitter slapped a ban on it. What a shame.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:40:02am

re: #240 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I went to Michigan yesterday for the first time in almost two years. In my town, masks are required in any establishment. By law. Very few idiots giving people shit about it. I went into CVS. Masks were on maybe 5% of people (I double masked). One CVS worker, an older woman, wasn’t wearing a mask. Some old white guy, no mask, decided to ask her a question by coming up and standing right next to me. I gave him The Death Stare and jumped away from him like an Olympic hurdler. The prick. I was very happy to come home.

I am in Crown Heights, Brooklyn right now and nobody is wearing a mask except for me.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:43:39am

re: #268 PhillyPretzel

And Twitter slapped a ban on it. What a shame.

Dildos are offensive to conservatives. You never know how many people you might kill in a mall or school with dildos.

Guns should be issued at birth.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:43:42am

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Targetpractice  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:44:22am

Biggest purveyor of GQP bullshit wonders why only the GQP’s message is being heard.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:46:36am

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:46:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:49:29am

re: #272 Targetpractice

Chuck Todd blames Democrats for GOP anti-vaxxers: ‘They’ve allowed the right to dictate the messaging’

Because they SHOUT THE LOUDEST and don’t shy away from threatening violence to make their point.

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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:50:21am

re: #272 Targetpractice

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Biggest purveyor of GQP bullshit wonders why only the GQP’s message is being heard.

he was so close:

“Chuck Todd blames Democrats for GOP anti-vaxxers: ‘They’ve allowed me to dictate the messaging’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:50:40am
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Belafon  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:52:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:52:57am

indeed

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:54:30am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

What do someone’s rose-tinted memories of a time that never really existed have to do with today’s realities?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 5, 2021 • 6:58:07am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What do someone’s rose-tinted memories of a time that never really existed have to do with today’s realities?

It’s a convenient justification for advocating hateful and discriminatory things in order to “return” to the supposed Golden Age. Pretty much the root strategy of conservatism.

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ericblair  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:01:44am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What do someone’s rose-tinted memories of a time that never really existed have to do with today’s realities?

Extremely harvest-gold tinted, you mean. We had to deal with the appliance color fallout for decades.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:04:35am

re: #282 ericblair

That and that avocado color.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:05:16am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m trying to understand the point of the photo. So the woman in the pic is buying stuff at a 7 Eleven and that’s somehow a snapshot of better times? Or is it how she’s dressed? I don’t get it. And she surely could not have had a credit card or buy a car on her own, let alone a house. I remember my Mom being super pissed about the latter when I was a kid. She and two friends had a little shop where they sold handmade crafty things that they and other women made. They all had to get “permission” to do that from their husbands, who had to sign the store space lease along with them. These were all working middle class families with modest but nice houses in the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio. Mom went to buy a car by herself and no dealership would deal with her, my dad had to sign the paperwork so she could drive the car home even though all the money for it came from the store that she and her friends ran.

And even after all that crap, my Mom has remained a staunch conservative her whole life. Sigh.

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Dizzy  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:06:53am

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

hi

With all the guitar talk around here, I thought I’d let folks know I’m moving toward buying a new instrument (not a guitar).

Extremely local news:

As I’m now back to playing hammered dulcimer in short periods (ten minutes or less, strengthening my hands, working on grace and deftness again, and getting back in practice), my wife offered an incentive.

For you Anymouse: an absolute monster on the Tsimbali or hammered dulcimer. I’ve bookmarked the point at which he is featured, but the full video is about a great Klezmer band.

YouTube

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ericblair  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:08:11am

re: #284 A Mom Anon

I’m trying to understand the point of the photo.

Besides looking a lot like a promo photo with everybody smiling, none of Those People are running the registers?

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The Squire of Logos  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:08:52am

re: #283 PhillyPretzel

That and that avacado color.

And copper tone as well. Saw that color in many a 70s/80s kitchen.

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The Squire of Logos  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:09:53am

re: #284 A Mom Anon

I’m trying to understand the point of the photo. So the woman in the pic is buying stuff at a 7 Eleven and that’s somehow a snapshot of better times? Or is it how she’s dressed? I don’t get it. And she surely could not have had a credit card or buy a car on her own, let alone a house. I remember my Mom being super pissed about the latter when I was a kid. She and two friends had a little shop where they sold handmade crafty things that they and other women made. They all had to get “permission” to do that from their husbands, who had to sign the store space lease along with them. These were all working middle class families with modest but nice houses in the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio. Mom went to buy a car by herself and no dealership would deal with her, my dad had to sign the paperwork so she could drive the car home even though all the money for it came from the store that she and her friends ran.

And even after all that crap, my Mom has remained a staunch conservative her whole life. Sigh.

Everyone is the store is ‘merican and white!

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:10:09am

We had a kind of red and gold shag carpeting in our kids’ bedrooms.

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Targetpractice  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:10:46am

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ve taken to calling it F3: “Family Friendly Fascism.”

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:11:39am

re: #286 ericblair

Besides looking a lot like a promo photo with everybody smiling, none of Those People are running the registers?

That.

Plus people in suits, collared shirts, skirts, and with nice haircuts. No T-shirts, loose pants, bare arms with lots of tattoos or piercings. No long haired freaky types. Or guys wearing earrings.

I just have to set my mind to the sort of things my parents and grandparents sniffed about now and then and turn that to “11”. Then it sort of jumps out.

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The Squire of Logos  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:11:47am

re: #289 Barefoot Grin

We had a kind of red and gold shag carpeting in our kids’ bedrooms.

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nines09  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:12:36am

Good morning. Good afternoon. Good day.

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Wile E. Wonka  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:13:45am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

indeed

Crime rate per 100,000 population, US totals:
- 1973: 4,154 (when we were a “Proper Country”)
- 2020: 2,346 (during the “current crime wave”)

On the other hand, 1973 was also the year that a sitting Vice President was forced to resign for turning public office into a grift. So there’s that.

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Targetpractice  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:15:16am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

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indeed

Poe’s Law is going into overdrive with this nutter, as his other posts make it impossible to tell if it’s a serious account or a parody account. To give an idea, most of the posts from last night are screaming that Patriot Front are all federal agents and last night’s march was a “false flag.”

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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:17:24am

re: #242 Dread Pirate Ron

It was a double negative, he called himself out.

…..

Trump spokespeople did not respond to messages Saturday seeking clarification about whether the ex-president and current leader of the GOP meant the opposite of what he said in his written statement, or if Trump was in fact admitting that he was either incredibly dumb or astoundingly corrupt.

. Daily beast

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:19:23am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What do someone’s rose-tinted memories of a time that never really existed have to do with today’s realities?

Notice there’s no non-whites in sight. That is, doubtless, a major plus to the poster.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:20:12am

re: #264 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

In my visit to Meijer yesterday in Ann Arbor about 80% were masked.

Isn’t Ann Arbor a liberal hellhole? I’m glad to hear that, though. I was bumming big time after yesterday. It kept feeling like “we are never going to get back to any kind of normal because there are far too many really stupid people out there.”

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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:20:25am

re: #281 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

It’s a convenient justification for advocating hateful and discriminatory things in order to “return” to the supposed Golden Age. Pretty much the root strategy of conservatism.

especially when there’s no hope to “return”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:21:50am

re: #269 The Pie Overlord!

I am in Crown Heights, Brooklyn right now and nobody is wearing a mask except for me.

Oy. Why?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:26:00am

re: #295 Targetpractice

Poe’s Law is going into overdrive with this nutter, as his other posts make it impossible to tell if it’s a serious account or a parody account. To give an idea, most of the posts from last night are screaming that Patriot Front are all federal agents and last night’s march was a “false flag.”

Rosie is nutz

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:27:30am

Guess what the skin color of the suspended players is:

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:28:13am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:29:54am

re: #284 A Mom Anon

I’m trying to understand the point of the photo. So the woman in the pic is buying stuff at a 7 Eleven and that’s somehow a snapshot of better times? Or is it how she’s dressed? I don’t get it.

That was exactly what I asked myself. I do not get it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:30:22am

re: #302 Belafon

Analysis: Aaron Rodgers flaunts the NFL/NFLPA coronavirus protocols and gets a fine that barely shows up in his paycheck.

flout, not flaunt

They deserve a fine for that one

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:31:33am

re: #302 Belafon

Guess what the skin color of the suspended players is:

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Yep. And which player brings more TV revenue into the league, at least to the eyes of the league (which gets back to the skin again).

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:34:27am

re: #304 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

At least Twitter wasted no time whatsoever in riffing on this.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:34:32am

re: #249 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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darthstar  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:35:13am

re: #303 Belafon

Someone needs to tell these assholes that Omicron may be mild, but it doesn’t mean Delta got canceled…or maybe they’ll learn that lesson for themselves.

Also, Omicron didn’t come from Delta…apparently it’s a mutation from Beta…as mutations aren’t a linear process. There’s a randomness to them. Pi may turn out to be a harmless variant while Ro may overturn red states for a change.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:36:03am

re: #284 A Mom Anon

re: #304 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

In that dated photo people are supposedly dressed “properly.” A man in a suit and a woman in a “fashionable outfit.” Workers are smiling and in uniforms. That is what they want to see everywhere. It is their fiction that they want to make real.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:40:20am

re: #309 darthstar

Someone needs to tell these assholes that Omicron may be mild, but it doesn’t mean Delta got canceled…or maybe they’ll learn that lesson for themselves.

Also, Omicron didn’t come from Delta…apparently it’s a mutation from Beta…as mutations aren’t a linear process. There’s a randomness to them. Pi may turn out to be a harmless variant while Ro may overturn red states for a change.

When we finally get to the Omega variant, it will be 90% fatal and transmissible over 400 yards…

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darthstar  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:44:59am

America’s least favorite wedding crasher does it again.

I think rich people choose to get married at Mar a Lago because they know they get a free stand up act in the middle of their reception.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:50:12am

re: #284 A Mom Anon

I’m trying to understand the point of the photo. So the woman in the pic is buying stuff at a 7 Eleven and that’s somehow a snapshot of better times? Or is it how she’s dressed? I don’t get it. And she surely could not have had a credit card or buy a car on her own, let alone a house. I remember my Mom being super pissed about the latter when I was a kid. She and two friends had a little shop where they sold handmade crafty things that they and other women made. They all had to get “permission” to do that from their husbands, who had to sign the store space lease along with them. These were all working middle class families with modest but nice houses in the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio. Mom went to buy a car by herself and no dealership would deal with her, my dad had to sign the paperwork so she could drive the car home even though all the money for it came from the store that she and her friends ran.

And even after all that crap, my Mom has remained a staunch conservative her whole life. Sigh.

You have to think like a conservative to understand it.

The fact she could not get credit in her own name is a plus. She is supposed to be a slave to her father, then her husband.

Very long hair. Thin. Makeup.

An owned woman is the conservative or libertarian ideal. Remember, she is only supposed to be an “earthen vessel” (Madison Cawthorn—Treepuncher)

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darthstar  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:53:30am

Ha…just happened to notice the Surfline ‘spot guide’ at the bottom of the page…hadn’t looked at it before so I looked at a couple of spots.

Here’s my local spot that I go to…super easy:
Hazards
Like nursery school compared to what’s going on out at Maverick’s.

Linda Mar (also called Taco Bell beach) - always crowded, often windy and foggy
Hazards
Crummy weather, crowds, possible pounding on big days.

And down the highway 15 miles near Pescadero
Hazards
Loneliness, sharks, drowning with no witnesses.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:55:30am

re: #310 PhillyPretzel

In that dated photo people are supposedly dressed “properly.” A man in a suit and a woman in a “fashionable outfit.” Workers are smiling and in uniforms. That is what they want to see everywhere. It is their fiction that they want to make real.

It’s all about making America great again…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:55:58am

re: #295 Targetpractice

Poe’s Law is going into overdrive with this nutter, as his other posts make it impossible to tell if it’s a serious account or a parody account. To give an idea, most of the posts from last night are screaming that Patriot Front are all federal agents and last night’s march was a “false flag.”

He’s not the only conservative screaming it. Conservatives by their nature cannot be original. Anything that makes them look bad is a false flag.

Hence the Michigan mass-murderer is a false flag. The school is full of liberals and they’re at fault for the shooting, &c.

Even in the Parkland mass-murder, one father accused his own son of being a false flag operative.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:56:45am

re: #313 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

An owned woman is the conservative or libertarian ideal. Remember, she is only supposed to be an “earthen vessel” (Madison Cawthorn—Treepuncher)

and hence the Cult of Virginity…damaged property has a diminished market value

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:57:01am
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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:57:56am

re: #313 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

You have to think like a conservative to understand it.

The fact she could not get credit in her own name is a plus. She is supposed to be a slave to her father, then her husband.

Is that what “super pissed” means?

I can’t keep up with all this newfangled language.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:58:08am
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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2021 • 7:58:59am

re: #310 PhillyPretzel

In that dated photo people are supposedly dressed “properly.” A man in a suit and a woman in a “fashionable outfit.” Workers are smiling and in uniforms. That is what they want to see everywhere. It is their fiction that they want to make real.

It’s easier than that: they’re all white. It’s highly unlikely any of them speak a language other than English.

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:00:07am

re: #314 darthstar

I still remember the days when we had to call an 800 number to get the report… or just drive down with nothing but hope in our hearts

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:01:43am
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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:02:40am

re: #265 Dangerman

this this this this this

or more generally:

muh rights until I face liability, then it suddenly becomes anybody else’s fault and responsibility to save me from the consequences of my piss-poor judgment

Cribbed from a letter to the editors electoral-vote.com

people confusing freedom with an abdication of responsibility. People don’t believe they should be responsible for their offensive speech. People don’t believe they should be responsible with their firearms. It is the responsibility of those around them to just live with the consequences. I’m here to say that’s unacceptable

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:03:13am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:03:18am

re: #284 A Mom Anon

A woman vice-president of Digital Equipment Corporation couldn’t get a credit card in the early Nineties from any bank in Colorado Springs according to my wife. She was required to have her mostly-unemployed consultant husband co-sign.

The same VP then ran an experiment calling on dozens of women to apply for credit cards. No bank would issue one to any of them.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:04:13am

re: #321 KGxvi

It’s easier than that: they’re all white. It’s highly unlikely any of them speak a language other than English.

I thought the clerk with her back to the photo was probably black. No way to be sure, of course.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:07:47am

re: #326 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

A woman vice-president of Digital Equipment Corporation couldn’t get a credit card in the early Nineties from any bank in Colorado Springs according to my wife. She was required to have her mostly-unemployed consultant husband co-sign.

The same VP then ran an experiment calling on dozens of women to apply for credit cards. No bank would issue one to any of them.

Since the Equal Credit Opportunity Act passed in 1974, they would all have had a (federal) case, if they’d cared to make it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:08:29am

re: #327 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

I thought the clerk with her back to the photo was probably black. No way to be sure, of course.

The woman with her back turned has a white arm.

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darthstar  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:09:11am

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:10:50am

re: #328 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Since the Equal Credit Opportunity Act passed in 1974, they would all have had a (federal) case, if they’d cared to make it.

Sure. A few women who might make fairly decent money take on too-big-to-fail banks with armies of on-staff lawyers dragging out a case for years to try to bankrupt the plaintiffs in the meantime.

That’s one of the reasons you don’t see such cases.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:19:00am

It is 11:15 AM and I am done with the weekly laundry. Yay. Now if WHYY were not in the middle of a end of year beg-a-thon it would be even better.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:21:18am

re: #331 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Sure. A few women who might make fairly decent money take on too-big-to-fail banks with armies of on-staff lawyers dragging out a case for years to try to bankrupt the plaintiffs in the meantime.

That’s one of the reasons you don’t see such cases.

My mom got screwed out of her widow’s pension from US Steel when my dad died. If not for Social Security (and a job she had selling used furniture and appliances that paid cash under the table) we would have been out on the street.

She later found out about a class action suit and received a lump-sum and a small monthly amount from it, but that was only a patch on the money we needed in 1967.

That episode taught me a lot about just how far we can trust our vaunted American Captains of Industry.

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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:22:13am

J.B. in Long Beach, CA, writes: My son wanted to try an experiment. So, he put on a MAGA hat and Trump shirt. He was laughed at, spit on, threatened with violence, and generally ridiculed. Then he left the house

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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:25:49am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My mom got screwed out of her widow’s pension from US Steel when my dad died. If not for Social Security (and a job she had selling used furniture and appliances that paid cash under the table) we would have been out on the street.

She later found out about a class action suit and received a lump-sum and a small monthly amount from it, but that was only a patch on the money we needed in 1967.

That episode taught me a lot about just how far we can trust our vaunted American Captains of Industry.

But the libertarians say the free market and access to the legal system makes it fair for everyone

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:28:08am

re: #335 Dangerman

But the libertarians say the free market and access to the legal system makes it fair for everyone

If we were all born with law degrees, I would agree with that.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:31:30am

re: #335 Dangerman

But the libertarians say the free market and access to the legal system makes it fair for everyone

The free market will sort everything out. According to it, you belonged on the street. It was that damn Social Security that messed it all up.

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:33:10am
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:34:19am

A Southern Idaho good morning to you Lizards.
Chorizo, 2 over easy eggs, refried black beans and Spanish rice. With mu usual sour cream and salsa. Not shown. A serving of pink (ruby) grapefruit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:36:57am
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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:39:07am

re: #337 Belafon

The free market will sort everything out. According to it, you belonged on the street. It was that damn Social Security that messed it all up.

//

Someone put a pig farm in your neighborhood?
Your estate can collect

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:40:18am

re: #337 Belafon

The free market will sort everything out. According to it, you belonged on the street. It was that damn Social Security that messed it all up.

//

Exactly: what use does the market have for a widowed housewife and her seven-year-old son?

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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:41:16am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

E.K. in Brignoles, France, writes: I know it won’t be useful in any way to comment this, and I get that it’s part of their “we gotta own the libs” game/business (except that I’m not a “lib,” and I’m not even American). However I’m truly shocked by what I just saw on Twitter:

I don’t want to sound patronizing, or judgmental (we have our own cross to bear here with Éric Zemmour and his fanatics), but seriously: A U.S. Representative, proudly posting that thing four days after a(nother) shooting that left four teenagers dead? To say that it’s disgusting would be a huge understatement. It unfortunately shows the worst face of your country, a part of your culture that I will never understand, and that some “human beings” are beyond any kind of redemption.

I’m sorry, this is not constructive at all, but I’m physically revulsed. I guess they’ve won…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:41:19am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

May the Christmas Tree of Liberty will never dry out!

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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:41:54am

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Exactly: what use does the market have for a widowed housewife and her seven-ear-old son?

Um erm…

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:43:38am

And lets not forget back in 70’s and earlier, women like me could be and were arrested and imprisoned/institutionalized as sexual perverts and/or mentally ill.

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Dangerman  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:44:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:45:59am

re: #346 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

And lets not forget back in 70’s and earlier, women like me could be and were arrested and imprisoned/institutionalized as sexual perverts and/or mentally ill.

In Germany, single women who led an “immoral lifestyle” (not attending church regularly, having male guests, etc.) could have their children taken away from them and put into a state or church-run orphanage.

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BeachDem  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:46:43am

re: #298 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Isn’t Ann Arbor a liberal hellhole? I’m glad to hear that, though. I was bumming big time after yesterday. It kept feeling like “we are never going to get back to any kind of normal because there are far too many really stupid people out there.”

Yep—Ann Arbor even has a living wage ordinance—(has since 2001) EDIT—original poster didn’t show

complianceposter.com

Side note: Acorn, before being destroyed by O’Keefe and spineless congresscritters, was very active/involved in getting living wage ordinances passed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:47:07am
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A Mom Anon  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:48:21am

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Back around the same time as the crap happened with my Mom, a family on our street lost the husband in a car accident. They had a baby and a three year old. The only work she could find was at a “gentleman’s club” in downtown Columbus. God, they way people gossiped about her was just disgusting. She ended up losing their house and I never heard what happened to them after that. I was 11 at the time, 1971, and I babysat for her sometimes when she needed help with the kids while she cleaned up and did stuff that’s hard to do with kids underfoot. I was the neighborhood babysitter, today my parents would have been in huge trouble for leaving a 10-12 yr old in charge of babies. Back then it was no big thing, especially since I was a girl, since that was a warm up for my future as a mom. We aren’t overly evolved, or grown up as a country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:48:35am

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

White supremacists being chased out of DC by teens with cellphones is exactly what I needed to see tonight.

“hateful intolerant liberals”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:49:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:52:45am

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty sure that video must be from July 3 in Philadelphia because of the Penske trucks

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:52:45am

I just tried to sign up with UPS so that I could track a package. They were telling me that I already was in their files and that I should sign in with my ID number. This is the first time I tried to sign up with them. I deleted the app and will not go any further with it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:55:06am

nbcnews.com

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:56:40am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

RIP Senator Dole.

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nines09  Dec 5, 2021 • 8:58:12am

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes. I remember that video. Can’t find it in my search tho.
They really do not need to falsify the city IMHO. Because it will be called fake.
But they got attacked in Philly. Did it late at night right around City Hall and when the word got out they were running.
I remember the “OH SHIT!” because that was stone Philly speak along with the “F EM UP!”

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:05:24am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wanted to get the comment in that he acted like your standard Republican asshole, especially near the end. Now, we can tell him to RIP.

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:07:09am

re: #355 PhillyPretzel

You need a dose of good shipping luck my friend.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:09:40am

re: #283 PhillyPretzel

That and that avocado color.

IN an apartment I was living at a broun copper was the norm for the appliances. Why we’re limited ro white, black, beige and stainless steel remains a mystery. I have an air cleaner that was white, I whipped out and spray-painted it dark brown to match the cabinetry we have and it just disappears into the decor.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:10:03am

re: #360 Rightwingconspirator

It is okay. It is a Yankee Candle purchase. Since it is coming by UPS from Yankee Candle it will be packaged correctly so I should get the candles in one piece.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:12:43am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

If Dr Fauci did go to the border they would ask why he is wasting times on photo ops instead of concentrating on his work in Washington…

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:12:44am

re: #361 Eric The Fruit Bat

Years ago when my family moved from a rental house to owned (mortgage) house we had a brown/coppertone fridge. My mom covered it up with woodgrain contact paper. It looked much better.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:13:23am

re: #360 Rightwingconspirator

You need a dose of good shipping luck my friend.

I sent a packet with letters and other stuff for my son in Maryland on Friday Nov. 26. It went from Massachusetts to Indianapolis and has subsequently disappeared from tracking. Still hasn’t arrived.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:13:56am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bob Dole was one of the last “decent” Republicans. Still a bastard but not one willing to ignore the law or use other extra-legal means to further the party

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:14:49am

re: #230 Dread Pirate Ron

Yeah, the Rails-to-Trails Conservancy has turned a lot of old railroad right-of-ways into bike and hiking paths.

We have 2 trails like that here in my small town. Pulled up the old rail tracks and graded them for bike/hike paths.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:16:12am
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Belafon  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:19:43am

Comedy Central has done a Hallmark Chistmas movie parody: A Clusterfunke Christmas:

A Clüsterfünke Christmas premieres Saturday, Dec 4 at 7PM ET on Comedy Central

“A hunky, hunky lumberjack and a businessy business woman.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:22:58am
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Belafon  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:23:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:26:38am

Currencies are based on trust. If a nation cannot be seen as trustworthy, the value of its currency will suffer.

But cryptocurrencies do not have any state or any other sort of politically answerable answerable entity behind them. They have no reason to be trusted other than out of a sense of cantankerous protest.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:33:11am

re: #205 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Eschaton, today:

I don’t have kids so I don’t have insight anyone should listen to, but I sometimes wonder about parenting/growing up in the Trump era. Whether in a Trump-loving household, or a Trump-hating one, kids grew up (for 4 years) seeing The President Of The United States as Donald fucking Trump.

Young millennials and the oldest Zoomers grew up seeing George Fucking Bush as the president. I know Bush was packaged on teevee as Commander Bunnypants, the great savior of Western civilization, Giver of Turkee to the world, but he was almost as absurd as Trump was.

That’s separate from their policies or governance. Just, look at those fucking goofuses! The presidents!
Dignitude

For all his flaws — and they were many, with very serious and deadly consequences—Bush was not a racist or Islamophobe. Two of his senior advisors, with whom he had a close relationship, were African-American; he spoke against holding all Muslims guilty of the actions of Al Qaeda; his wife was a librarian not a former “model”, whom he respected; he was devoted to his children. He launched a program, PEPFAR, to help combat AIDS worldwide and created Medicare Part D.

I detested him, but, unlike TFG, he was not a sociopath or innately evil or a grifter.

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nines09  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:34:44am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

They are jealous of the Taliban. If only they could wield that power. When your entire identity is a weapon, you are a sick sick creature.
The ammo is for undesirables. Like me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:35:37am

re: #304 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That was exactly what I asked myself. I do not get it.

It’s supposed to show a so-called “Golden age” of America. You know, before black people and immigrants overran all the 7-Elevens.

//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:38:27am

re: #373 Hecuba’s daughter

I detested [GW Bush], but, unlike TFG, he was not a sociopath or innately evil or a grifter.

He even pushed for comprehensive immigration reform, something that his own party would not back him on

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A Mom Anon  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:39:47am

re: #374 nines09

They’ve said it out loud, “when can we start shooting people?” I don’t know what the answer to this level of hate is, but what we’re doing now isn’t working. I’m to the point where I do not give a shit if the Feds start swooping in and confiscating caches of weapons and melting them down when these assclowns state their purpose. I know, that’s “extreme liberalism” or what the fuck ever, but this has to stop. I’m tired of these assholes breaking everything and then blaming us for it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:40:51am
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:41:58am

re: #209 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Sad thread, five tweets.

[Embedded content]

My late husband was an ardent cyclist and I always pay attention but there are some who are very irresponsible. Years ago, I was returning from work very late (after 10 pm) and my car was stopped at a traffic signal for a major intersection. The light changed and somehow I caught something from the corner of my eye — a bicyclist, with no lights, decided to continue biking though the light was red in their direction. I slammed on my brakes, but it was a close call that left me shaken.

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mmmirele  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:42:26am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

indeed

If we’re going to get a different kind of 7-11, can it be Japanese 7-11s? Or Lawson? Or Family Mart? Loved all those places, but the 7-11 was most useful for me as it had the onigiri (rice balls) I liked best and the ATMs handled foreign cards.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:45:21am

re: #214 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Meanwhile on the other coast, the world is being made more dangerous by the Catholic Church (via the National Catholic Reporter)

Archbishop Cordileone reveals he’s not vaccinated for COVID-19, drawing sharp criticism

(more)

Like any good Liar for Jesus, he said his physician tells him it is not necessary to get vaccinated.

It would not be surprising if his physician is a Trumper anti-vaxxer. So he may not have been lying about that part.

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nines09  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:48:41am

re: #377 A Mom Anon

When I was a kid it was “zip guns”. Remember the screams of the public about the juvenile delinquents who caused so much trouble?
Now parents can buy their insane children guns that can throw a lot of lead in a short time.
And we as a nation step over the bodies and have the very people who gain from this tell us it’s the “price” we have to pay.
If I carry a switchblade and am found with it in my personal possession, I will face more charges than if I had a pistol on me.
Cult Of Death celebrates sickness and death and works to have more sickness and death because.
Because.
You know.
Right?
Yeah.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:49:19am

re: #375 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s supposed to show a so-called “Golden age” of America. You know, before black people and immigrants overran all the 7-Elevens.

//

In those halcyon days you could get a nice glass with a B.C. cartoon character on it with a full tank of (leaded) gas (that you waited in line for due to the OPEC-induced gas shortages).

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ericblair  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:50:58am

re: #372 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Currencies are based on trust. If a nation cannot be seen as trustworthy, the value of its currency will suffer.

But cryptocurrencies do not have any state or any other sort of politically answerable answerable entity behind them. They have no reason to be trusted other than out of a sense of cantankerous protest.

It’s fun to watch a bunch of techbros and their victims figure out exactly why every bit of banking law was written. Expensive way to learn finance, law, and economics, but some people can only learn the hard way.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:51:09am

re: #289 Barefoot Grin

We had a kind of red and gold shag carpeting in our kids’ bedrooms.

In my room in the 70’s it was black and red shag. With newspaper print wallpaper. And a black light and lava lamp of course.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:53:05am

re: #385 Eventual Carrion

In my room in the 70’s it was black and red shag. With newspaper print wallpaper. And a black light and lava lamp of course.

Bean bag chairs?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:54:02am

re: #230 Dread Pirate Ron

Yeah, the Rails-to-Trails Conservancy has turned a lot of old railroad right-of-ways into bike and hiking paths.

My husband supported them and so I have continued to contribute to the organization in the 20 years since his passing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:54:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:54:23am

re: #386 Barefoot Grin

Bean bag chairs?

and bead curtains

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mmmirele  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:55:14am

re: #364 PhillyPretzel

Years ago when my family moved from a rental house to owned (mortgage) house we had a brown/coppertone fridge. My mom covered it up with woodgrain contact paper. It looked much better.

We had a blue fridge in our first house in California. I strongly suspect it was one of my dad’s deals because it really didn’t go with anything. (Another deal from hell—the Econoline van dad bought in 1966 which could only get above 35 mph when going downhill.) When we moved to Texas, we went into a rental house, so the fridge didn’t go with us. Then when my parents brought a proper house (1974) it had multishade green shag carpet, wood paneling in the family room and an avocado colored kitchen. Oh, and right before my parents signed the papers, there was an enormous hailstorm and every window (and there were a lot of windows) had to be replaced. We were still picking tiny slivers of glass out of the shag carpet years later.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:56:22am

re: #314 darthstar

Ha…just happened to notice the Surfline ‘spot guide’ at the bottom of the page…hadn’t looked at it before so I looked at a couple of spots.

Here’s my local spot that I go to…super easy:
Hazards
Like nursery school compared to what’s going on out at Maverick’s.

Linda Mar (also called Taco Bell beach) - always crowded, often windy and foggy
Hazards
Crummy weather, crowds, possible pounding on big days.

And down the highway 15 miles near Pescadero
Hazards
Loneliness, sharks, drowning with no witnesses.

Pics or it didn’t happen!

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nines09  Dec 5, 2021 • 9:59:52am

Have to run. Back in the day my one friend who could buy albums and had a kick ass stereo system bought this album. I thought of them and had to dig to remember them.
Perfect stoner music then. They had a few albums but this is the best IMO.
Later

Black Sheep

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:03:34am

re: #390 mmmirele

We had a blue fridge in our first house in California. I strongly suspect it was one of my dad’s deals because it really didn’t go with anything. (Another deal from hell—the Econoline van dad bought in 1966 which could only get above 35 mph when going downhill.) When we moved to Texas, we went into a rental house, so the fridge didn’t go with us. Then when my parents brought a proper house (1974) it had multishade green shag carpet, wood paneling in the family room and an avocado colored kitchen. Oh, and right before my parents signed the papers, there was an enormous hailstorm and every window (and there were a lot of windows) had to be replaced. We were still picking tiny slivers of glass out of the shag carpet years later.

We had a station wagon with the fake wood paneling. Who thought that was a good idea?

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:04:36am

re: #331 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Sure. A few women who might make fairly decent money take on too-big-to-fail banks with armies of on-staff lawyers dragging out a case for years to try to bankrupt the plaintiffs in the meantime.

That’s one of the reasons you don’t see such cases.

That’s why they have class action suits. And the nonprofits that fund them. Although since they’re violating federal law, the Justice Department has been known to intervene.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:05:27am

Former Senator Bob Dole has died at the age of ninety-eight.

Bob Dole, Former Republican Senator And Presidential Nominee, Dies At 98 (Huffington Post)

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:06:07am

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Too bad those kids didn’t have padlocks and lock all the back roller doors shut before the Scared Children could climb in and escape.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:07:58am

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The woman with her back turned has a white arm.

Didn’t (doesn’t) look like it to me.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:09:23am

re: #396 Eventual Carrion

Too bad those kids didn’t have padlocks and lock all the back roller doors shut before the Scared Children could climb in and escape.

Or lock them in afterwards.

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darthstar  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:09:58am

December tomato check.

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darthstar  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:10:44am

I really should grow a little weed in there

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wrenchwench  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:13:12am

re: #385 Eventual Carrion

In my room in the 70’s it was black and red shag. With newspaper print wallpaper. And a black light and lava lamp of course.

In the 80’s I rented a house with 3 friends in the Hollywood district of Portland, OR. It had 5 bedrooms, each with a different color of shag, with matching paint on the walls. I got the orange room. I know how to paint, but the carpet was beyond my abilities (and budget for a rental).

Ed. to add roommates.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:14:05am

re: #400 darthstar

I really should grow a little weed in there

When I first scrolled past the photo, I did NOT think it was tomatoes. 😉

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Jay C  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:18:07am

re: #402 Eclectic Cyborg

When I first scrolled past the photo, I did NOT think it was tomatoes. 😉

Hella bud, then…..

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:18:22am

re: #397 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Didn’t (doesn’t) look like it to me.

It’s lighter colored than the guy in front.

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A Cranky One  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:18:43am

re: #258 William Lewis

Good morning,
I’m honestly not sure what to tell you. Canon’s old FD mount had some excellent lenses made for it but because Canon abandoned it for the EOS EF mount for autofocus cameras until recently, they were not usable for digital. Now they can be adapted to the various mirrorless cameras systems (Fuji, Sony, etc) they are still not as in demand as, say, Nikon or Pentax lenses. They’re still great pieces of glass but people aren’t paying as much for them. I’d see if the good folks at KEH ( keh.com ) would offer you anything for them.

Thanks sir. That’s what I figured but glad to have it confirmed. I’ll check the link provided.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:19:30am

re: #394 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

That’s why they have class action suits. And the nonprofits that fund them.

The most recent class action suit went all the way to the Supreme Court.

TransUnion was reporting people who matched a list of people suspected to be terrorists to any third party requesting credit information. They did not notify the people on whom there was faulty terrorist information.

The case went all the way to the Supreme Court. The Court stripped everyone out of the class except one man who was turned down for a car loan based on that information. The others were deemed uninjured (that a credit reporting agency was calling them terrorists to creditors).

The Supreme Court overturned a lower court ruling awarding more than a thousand members of the class more than $60million.

The court did rule that in fact TransUnion had violated a statutory requirement of the Fair Credit Reporting Act, but that didn’t matter.

Dissenting were Thomas, Kagan, Sotomayor, Breyer, arguing that TransUnion violated their privacy rights. The majority argued there is no such thing as privacy rights in reporting to third parties, and only those who received a concrete monetary injury could receive compensation (the man who was denied a loan). The majority upheld the Republican-passed law that each member of the class must suffer exactly the same harm.

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sagehen  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:20:04am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:21:17am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:25:49am

re: #406 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

natlawreview.com (Case, June 30, 2021)

It took eight years to get to the Supreme Court. In the meantime more than a thousand people suffered damage to their reputations being reported as terrorists.

Sure, the VP and other women at DEC could have tried to sue. Lots of people say “sure, you can sue” for this or that, not knowing or caring how hard a corporation will fight (in this case all the way to the Supreme Court).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:30:53am

re: #384 ericblair

It’s fun to watch a bunch of techbros and their victims figure out exactly why every bit of banking law was written. Expensive way to learn finance, law, and economics, but some people can only learn the hard way.

Their “trust” in this currency is a political statement for them: that they do not need any sort of government.

Like you said, learn the hard way.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:33:26am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:33:48am

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

the German word for beetroot soup, Borschtsch, contains a 7-letter HEPTAGRAPH

German has an awful time transliterating Cyrillic. In Russian, that sound is ONE letter: Щ

as in борщ

Or the cz we use for Czechoslovakia: one letter in Cyrillic Ч:

Tschechoslowakei”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:40:22am

Half-Staff Notice: December 7, 2021, National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day.

whitehouse.gov

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wrenchwench  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:41:03am

re: #411 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

NPR’s coverage said something like Dole went from a far right hatchet man to a moderate, and my thought was, ‘Dole didn’t change…’

[Until he retired from politics.]

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wrenchwench  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:43:03am

re: #413 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Half-Staff Notice: December 7, 2021, National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day.

whitehouse.gov

If there are 2 reasons for half-staff, do you just take it down?

/

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:43:28am

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who broke the cat? FYI, I’m certain his name is Dali.

417
Eventual Carrion  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:44:42am

re: #386 Barefoot Grin

Bean bag chairs?

No. Sister had one in her room. My friends and I just used the floor in front of the speakers.

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retired cynic  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:48:00am

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:48:57am
420
retired cynic  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:51:17am

re: #419 gocart mozart

mansplain. definition of.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:51:58am

re: #419 gocart mozart

Who is that dipshyte?

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sagehen  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:53:17am

re: #419 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

when he gets home tonight, his mom will have locked him out of the basement. There’ll be a few packed suitcases by the door.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:54:31am

re: #421 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Who is that dipshyte?

and what is it he wishes to share his enlightened views on?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:57:07am

re: #414 wrenchwench

NPR’s coverage said something like Dole went from a far right hatchet man to a moderate, and my thought was, ‘Dole didn’t change…’

[Until he retired from politics.]

I think it was more the GOP kept moving right which made Dole (who hadn’t changed at all) supposed to appear moderate.

Remember, 1996 was before:

- The disputed 2000 election
- 9/11
- The Iraq War
- The election of Barack Obama
- The political rise of Donald Trump

All of the above events caused the GOP to get more radical and move further to the right.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:57:18am

re: #423 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and what is it he wishes to share his enlightened views on?

Ugh. It’s Nick Fuentes, Nazi douchecanoe.

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wrenchwench  Dec 5, 2021 • 10:59:09am

re: #424 Eclectic Cyborg

I think it was more the GOP kept moving right which made Dole (who hadn’t changed at all) supposed to appear moderate.

Remember, 1996 was before:

- The disputed 2000 election
- 9/11
- The Iraq War
- The election of Barack Obama
- The political rise of Donald Trump

All of the above events caused the GOP to get more radical and move further to the right.

Seems to be constantly accelerating.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:04:22am

Heh, these two images popped up like this on a feed I was scrolling through just now:

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:07:29am

re: #309 darthstar

Someone needs to tell these assholes that Omicron may be mild, but it doesn’t mean Delta got canceled…or maybe they’ll learn that lesson for themselves.

Also, Omicron didn’t come from Delta…apparently it’s a mutation from Beta…as mutations aren’t a linear process. There’s a randomness to them. Pi may turn out to be a harmless variant while Ro may overturn red states for a change.

Got a call from a friend from Arizona this morning; he was complaining about how badly the Arizona governor is handling the virus; it was #1 for deaths Saturday. That can be misleading because many states don’t do real weekend reporting.

What matters for variants is primarily how contagious they are and not how lethal. A highly lethal variant can vanish because everyone is contracting the mild transmissible form.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:08:09am

re: #425 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Ugh. It’s Nick Fuentes, Nazi douchecanoe.

Heard the name, have not followed him closely.

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steve_davis  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:09:28am

re: #304 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That was exactly what I asked myself. I do not get it.

there’s nothing to get. we were a proper country. white. with no gas in the pumps outside because we were in the middle of an embargo brought on by the fact that we were utterly dependent on saudi arabia for oil, unlike now, when we actually export the stuff because our heavy industry has thankfully moved to countries that haven’t yet completely polluted their rivers and poisoned their landfills with heavy-metal dumps.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:09:55am

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s all about making America great again…

About making America “white” again?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:13:15am

re: #429 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Heard the name, have not followed him closely.

Leader of the so-called Groypers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:13:52am
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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:13:57am

Struggling to understand why I have gained 10 lbs since covid pandemic started.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:14:46am

re: #432 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Leader of the so-called Groypers.

A word that sounds like they’re trying to make groper Hebrew.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:16:26am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:17:56am

re: #432 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Leader of the so-called Groypers.

ah, Michelle Malkin…and those two have not had intimate relations to date?

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sagehen  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:18:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:19:27am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:19:56am

re: #437 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

ah, Michelle Malkin…and those two have not had intimate relations to date?

Fuentes was with a gay catboi.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:23:47am

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 5, 2021 • 11:51:45am

re: #326 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

A woman vice-president of Digital Equipment Corporation couldn’t get a credit card in the early Nineties from any bank in Colorado Springs according to my wife. She was required to have her mostly-unemployed consultant husband co-sign.

The same VP then ran an experiment calling on dozens of women to apply for credit cards. No bank would issue one to any of them.

Flintstones Charge! (Wilma and Betty)

The Flintstones taught the children* of America what women would immediately do if they got access to a credit card.
//

* - And adults too. Since the initial broadcast of the show in the early 60s was in a prime time slot on ABC.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2021 • 12:17:37pm

re: #417 Eventual Carrion

No. Sister had one in her room. My friends and I just used the floor in front of the speakers.

Ha! This is exactly how it was in our house. I had my albums on a shelf below the shelf with the tuner and turntable with speakers on either side (the shelves were just some boards that my dad had in the garage plus bricks). I left about two inches of clearance from the floor for a place to put my weed tray, lighter, and one-hitter.


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