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Charles Johnson  Dec 21, 2021 • 6:57:53pm
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Dopamine Fish  Dec 21, 2021 • 7:01:40pm

So Akiva Cohen did a tweet thread takedown of Alex Berenson’s batshit crazy lawsuit against Twitter (TL;DR: He’s trying to declare Section 230 unconstitutional based on a California state law written in the days of the Pony Express). And then, this happened:

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Captain Ron  Dec 21, 2021 • 7:08:22pm
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Captain Ron  Dec 21, 2021 • 7:12:29pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 21, 2021 • 7:16:35pm

Palette Cleanser….

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Captain Ron  Dec 21, 2021 • 7:31:45pm

Tesla is becoming a dangerous place to work.

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Cheechako  Dec 21, 2021 • 7:34:26pm

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KGxvi  Dec 21, 2021 • 7:34:36pm

re: #4 Dread Pirate Ron

The level of cowardice from the “country before party” crowd over the last five to six years might be the most mind boggling thing

Maybe I was naive, but I used to believe most of them at least had the courage of their convictions.

Though I do think that McConnell becoming the leader of the GOO senate caucus might be even worse than the nomination and election of the orange idiot. Because that really seemed like the point where they no longer cared about policy (other than tax cuts at all costs) and that really opened the door for trump. Sort of a stand for nothing, fall for anything situation

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Belafon  Dec 21, 2021 • 7:40:57pm

I saw that Netflix has a gay romance called Single All the Way.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 21, 2021 • 7:51:52pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 21, 2021 • 7:56:10pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 21, 2021 • 7:58:31pm

Started “The Witcher” from the start and am really enjoying it. There’s actual some pretty good line in it.

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plansbandc  Dec 21, 2021 • 8:06:03pm

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Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:03:15pm

Yeah, no offense, but I’ve seen this movie already:

A new report from Defense One claims that researchers at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research are expected to announce “within weeks” that they’ve developed what might be the ultimate vaccine against the novel coronavirus.

According to Defense One’s sources, the Army researchers have been developing a vaccine that “protects people from COVID-19 and all its variants, even Omicron, as well as from previous SARS-origin viruses that have killed millions of people worldwide.”

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Captain Ron  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:06:31pm

An e-biker I follow on YouTube lives where the tornado’s went through last week. he posted a video of his ride through the damaged area.

YouTube

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BigPapa  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:20:11pm

WTF is this thing on mah face?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:21:35pm

For some reason, my name is on certain Republican mailing lists. The National Republican Congressional Committee is promoting big lies about election. Among their push poll questions:

Are you outraged by the media’s lack of in-depth coverage of voter fraud and failure to do investigations of software and voting machine irregularities?

Do you believe that Joe Biden won the presidency without the aid of election fraud and abuses of power by Democrat election officials in key states?

Do you support Republican efforts to protect our sacred right of one-man one-vote by requiring photo ID at polling stations and making in-person voting mandatory unless justified reasons are presented, and secure absentee ballots are available?

Do you believe that Democrats in Congress like Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler will continue to pursue baseless allegations against President Trump, his family, and allies as long as they continue to have a Democrat House Majority?

It is clear that as long as this party exists, it will work to destroy our democracy. That unless there is some way to destroy it utterly and replace it with a party that believes in democracy and is willing to cooperate with the Democratic Party, the future of our nation remains grim. Doesn’t it seem that their mention of Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler is a nod to anti-Semites and neo-Nazis among their base?

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Belafon  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:25:33pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

Yeah, no offense, but I’ve seen this movie already:

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Has there been a movie where two vaccines were created in record time to combat a virus?

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Belafon  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:26:36pm

I love movies, but I’m 100% sure that Michael Jordan didn’t return to basketball because he played a game with Bugs Bunny.

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Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:28:18pm

re: #18 Belafon

Has there been a movie where two vaccines were created in record time to combat a virus?

No, but an “ultimate drug” being developed has been the beginning of more than one scifi horror film, tv series, or video game.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:31:54pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

No, but an “ultimate drug” being developed has been the beginning of more than one scifi horror film, tv series, or video game.

Youtube Video

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:35:11pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

No, but an “ultimate drug” being developed has been the beginning of more than one scifi horror film, tv series, or video game.

Yes but see penicillin. Or more contemporary breakthroughs. Let’s see the trial numbers. The noise level here is very high what with anti vaxxers and crapatilism drug companies. And yet here we are. We choose wisely in holding this off, or we do not.

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:39:32pm

Related as in whatever works well.

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retired cynic  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:41:25pm

re: #22 Rightwingconspirator

Think of the bravery of those who accepted the smallpox scratch back in the 1700s. My husband and I were fascinated with the story of Lady Mary Wortley Montague. I wonder how many people she saved? Her writing about visiting in the harem of the Sultan of Turkey is hysterical. She pointed out that when everyone was naked in the bath that you paid much more attention to other’s faces.

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:41:43pm

Plus I thought this kinda cool from Amazon Help.

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retired cynic  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:42:55pm

re: #25 Rightwingconspirator

A friend of mine works in the Amazon help field. That sure sounds like her!

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Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:47:01pm

Yeah, I’m really half-joking here, I’ve a good measure of confidence that the WRAIR is not taking any unnecessary risks and would not approve of such a vaccine going to trials if they felt it unsafe. But given my penchant for dark humor, I couldn’t help but poke some fun at this announcement of an uber-vaccine.

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wrenchwench  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:47:59pm

I rode my bike home from work tonight. It was not raining, but everything was wet. The moon peeked from the clouds. A racoon was about to cross the street in front of me, but stopped. I went on ahead, then stopped to watch it cross behind me.

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:54:11pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

I rode my bike home from work tonight. It was not raining, but everything was wet. The moon peeked from the clouds. A racoon was about to cross the street in front of me, but stopped. I went on ahead, then stopped to watch it cross behind me.

Kinda sounds like a cool mystery novel passage.

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KGxvi  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:54:46pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

If you think of it as a winter festival marking the solstice and as a chance for people to get together and celebrate another trip around the sun and that we are (to use one of my favorite lines from doctor who) halfway through the darkness… then it’s not so bad. Most of the “Christmas traditions” are just repackaged pagan traditions anyway

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KGxvi  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:55:25pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

I rode my bike home from work tonight. It was not raining, but everything was wet. The moon peeked from the clouds. A racoon was about to cross the street in front of me, but stopped. I went on ahead, then stopped to watch it cross behind me.

You missed a side quest

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:56:24pm

re: #26 retired cynic

A friend of mine works in the Amazon help field. That sure sounds like her!

I’m glad they saw it. It would be fun if that were your friend. But at Help they must have so many…

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retired cynic  Dec 21, 2021 • 9:57:44pm

re: #32 Rightwingconspirator

Well, she isn’t Shelby, and she’s pretty far up the food chain, but I sent this to her because she will get a kick out of it.

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wrenchwench  Dec 21, 2021 • 10:00:26pm

So far, on bike rides home in the dark, I’ve seen a couple nutria, a deer, and a racoon. And once, an upset young woman in a long dress who needed to know how to get to a street about 4 blocks away. I felt bad for missing that side quest.

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weststpaulbear  Dec 21, 2021 • 10:09:00pm

In keeping with the situation (the original post), can I revive my Christmas tradition of pointing out how incredibly feeble the lyrics to “The First Noel’ are? How it cant even make it to the third line of the first verse without repeating half of the second line in even clumsier meter? Whoever wrote this song was sipping on tea and admiring the sparrows in the garden while jotting their thoughts with a quill and pad. Such joy on a drizzly morn’.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Dec 21, 2021 • 10:11:35pm

I really think Large Marge is too wide to be the DC bomber but the image may be slightly distorted. In any case, the FBI can trace locations and we will soon know.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Dec 21, 2021 • 10:21:31pm
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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Dec 21, 2021 • 11:46:13pm

re: #18 Belafon

Has there been a movie where two vaccines were created in record time to combat a virus?

Multiple episodes of Star Trek had vaccines and cures developed in less than an hour.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 22, 2021 • 12:18:01am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I wouldn’t recommend thinking too much about the Christmas holiday because you risk realizing how deeply weird it is.

I find it a good time to get back in touch with our Pagan roots (which do not necessarily have to displace Christian elements) and enjoy the Dead Time of year, a chance to relax and recoup and prepare for the new.

To the old Germans, the end of December was “between the years”, a time put aside for the lunar calendar to catch up with the solar one, and a time outside of time when the normal laws of nature did not apply, when the spirits of the dead visited us. It was not a time to start anything new, cut one’s hair, do laundry, clean out the attic, or anything else not related to the present.

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Captain Ron  Dec 22, 2021 • 12:20:57am

^This^

I get knee pain if I walk over 1/2 miles a day twice in a week. I can ride 20 miles a day seven times a week. E-bike being the key, even though mine has a torque sensor on the pedals which makes me put in some effort to activate the motor. Cheaper bikes use a cadence sensor and you basically ghost pedal. I like mine as it acts more like a real bike.

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Captain Ron  Dec 22, 2021 • 12:22:16am

re: #38 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

Multiple episodes of Star Trek had vaccines and cures developed in less than an hour.

Yeah but consider of 300 years of medical and computer advances.

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wrenchwench  Dec 22, 2021 • 12:25:11am

re: #40 Dread Pirate Ron

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^This^

I get knee pain if I walk over 1/2 miles a day twice in a week. I can ride 20 miles a day seven times a week. E-bike being the key, even though mine has a torque sensor on the pedals which makes me put in some effort to activate the motor. Cheaper bikes use a cadence sensor and you basically ghost pedal. I like mine as it acts more like a real bike.

What keeps you from going whole hog and getting a real bike?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 22, 2021 • 12:25:59am

re: #41 Dread Pirate Ron

Yeah but consider of 300 years of medical and computer advances.

And a one-hour format per episode.

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Captain Ron  Dec 22, 2021 • 12:52:26am

re: #42 wrenchwench

What keeps you from going whole hog and getting a real bike?

1. I live on a hill that has a one mile 6-10% slope.

2. E-bikes are a fucking blast.

3. I can go 4 times as far at twice the speed with less effort.

4. I’m old and bike-packing in the Sierra would suck without a motor. (my thing with hills)

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Captain Ron  Dec 22, 2021 • 12:57:07am

re: #42 wrenchwench

Also I retired at 56 with a knee disability, I babied it for years but need exercise. I didn’t want to waste money on a bike if I couldn’t make it up the hill to home. E-bike gave me an option for throttle if my knee couldn’t take the strain. It got me out and active again.

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Captain Ron  Dec 22, 2021 • 1:10:54am

My bike.

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Captain Ron  Dec 22, 2021 • 1:21:53am

Where is Anymouse? He hasn’t been stirring before Christmas.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 22, 2021 • 1:33:19am

re: #47 Dread Pirate Ron

Where is Anymouse? He hasn’t been stirring before Christmas.

“Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.”

I’ve been reading here, I just haven’t logged in. I only log in when I want to bother people.

My wife and I have been binge-watching our “Get Smart” collection lately. I also mailed some bills and Christmas cards, and paid my water bill. Very exciting around here.

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Captain Ron  Dec 22, 2021 • 1:38:36am

We’re getting weather here. This might be a good winter for the Bay Area and the Sierra. 11.70” so far and February and March are our rainy months.

If the percentage is below 50 then it will probably be dry and California weather predictions are much more random than eastern states. We have no one to look west to to get info.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 22, 2021 • 1:43:07am
On the same day Lancaster County officials announced the first confirmed local case of the COVID-19 omicron variant, they said they will be dropping the countywide mask mandate.

City officials, in their weekly coronavirus briefing, referenced the availability of vaccines to everyone age 5 and over and booster shots as the underlying rationale for allowing the directed health measure to expire.

Mayor Leirion Gaylor Baird said 84,000 Lancaster County residents have gotten booster shots. The state says that 69% of those residents eligible for the vaccinate are fully vaccinated.

(more)

Lincoln is the last city in Nebraska with a mask mandate. It was reinstated there in August in the face of rising case numbers.

Lancaster County has one of the highest vaccination rates in the state.

By comparison, the Nebraska Panhandle and Grant County have a vaccination rate of 41%. We are coming down from the second wave here.

Citing vaccination levels, Lincoln to end months-long mask mandate (Scottsbluff Star-Herald, Community Action Heath Center here is providing free access to the Star-Herald through December 26)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 22, 2021 • 1:46:48am

re: #49 Dread Pirate Ron

We’ve been under a Red Flag Warning for the last few days, due to humidity levels and wind.

…RED FLAG WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM MST THIS EVENING
FOR GUSTY WINDS AND LOW HUMIDITY FOR FIRE WEATHER ZONE 313…
…RED FLAG WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 11 AM TO 6 PM MST WEDNESDAY FOR
GUSTY WINDS AND LOW HUMIDITY FOR FIRE WEATHER ZONE 313…

The National Weather Service in Cheyenne has issued a Red Flag
Warning, which is in effect from 11 AM to 6 PM MST Wednesday.

* AFFECTED AREA…Fire weather zone 313. Generally along and
south of a line from Broadwater to Harrisburg.

* WIND…West wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to 30 to 35 mph.

* HUMIDITY…8 to 12 percent.

* IMPACTS…Any fires that develop will likely spread rapidly.
Outdoor burning is not recommended.

No rain or snow predicted for the next week. Highs will be in the fifties or sixties, lows in the lower twenties or upper teens.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 22, 2021 • 1:48:44am

re: #49 Dread Pirate Ron

If the percentage is below 50 then it will probably be dry and California weather predictions are much more random than eastern states. We have no one to look west to to get info.

If you look west really hard, you can see Philadelphia. /s

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wrenchwench  Dec 22, 2021 • 1:53:16am

re: #46 Dread Pirate Ron

My bike.

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Did you get goggles? I have some, somewhere. If I don’t find them soon, I’ll get more.

Cover your knees under 70 degrees F. Higher cadences are usually better for knees (but that’s for less pressure per stroke, so maybe it’s not applicable with a motor.)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 22, 2021 • 1:53:32am

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Youtube Video


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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 22, 2021 • 1:56:10am

It’s supposed to rain down here, on Thursday and Friday. Could be heavy at times.

But rain out here is hard to predict. A small shift in a low pressure system and we get but a drizzle.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 22, 2021 • 1:57:09am

re: #54 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Ella Fitzgerald is part of the Deep State (marca registrada). She even has coronaviruses on her Christmas album. She was revealing the plot in plain sight, and the sheeple were too blind to see it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 22, 2021 • 2:02:42am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

There are so many layers to “Christmas” by now, the 21st century of the Common Era, that it’d take a long book to cover them all.

Old religions and beliefs never really go away, they just get remodeled.

Sort of like putting new shingles on a house.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Dec 22, 2021 • 2:04:05am

re: #57 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Sort of like putting new shingles on a house.

It seems like I do that every year. /s

I have the Roof of Thesus.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 22, 2021 • 2:06:07am

The day after it was declared “over”, Fagradalsfjall apparently didn’t get the memo:

Youtube Video

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Captain Ron  Dec 22, 2021 • 2:19:42am

re: #53 wrenchwench

Did you get goggles? I have some, somewhere. If I don’t find them soon, I’ll get more.

Cover your knees under 70 degrees F. Higher cadences are usually better for knees (but that’s for less pressure per stroke, so maybe it’s not applicable with a motor.)

No goggles for a bit, may get them with a new helmet. I also need a good suspension post. I’m riding in mid-weight thermals and layered clothing. I’m warm, though my fingers are pretty cool in my thin REI gloves/liners.

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Teukka  Dec 22, 2021 • 2:21:07am

re: #59 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The day after it was declared “over”, Fagradalsfjall apparently didn’t get the memo:
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And googling on Fagradalsfjall doesn’t give any clue as to what VEI to expect in the worst case…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 22, 2021 • 2:25:05am

re: #61 Teukka

It will be the same as before. The Fagradalsfjall volcanic system is part of the Atlantic ridge, making new crust. Lots of basaltic lava, good for tourism.

Earthquakes are continuing. A little while ago the biggest hit, a M4.9, even the USGS registered it:

earthquake.usgs.gov

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 22, 2021 • 2:30:43am

Reykjanes peninsula earthquakes:

The ones in red are in the past 4 hours.

More than a thousand earthquakes in the past 48 hours.

Magma is on the move. Where and when it comes out are the big questions.

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Teukka  Dec 22, 2021 • 2:32:45am

re: #62 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It will be the same as before. The Fagradalsfjall volcanic system is part of the Atlantic ridge, making new crust. Lots of basaltic lava, good for tourism.

Earthquakes are continuing. A little while ago the biggest hit, a M4.9, even the USGS registered it:

earthquake.usgs.gov

re: #63 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Reykjanes peninsula earthquakes:

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The ones in red are in the past 4 hours.

More than a thousand earthquakes in the past 48 hours.

Magma is on the move. Where and when it comes out are the big questions.

Ah, so red eruptions and not grey ones. Well, that’s somewhat of a consolation.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 22, 2021 • 2:34:06am

re: #64 Teukka

Ah, so red eruptions and not grey ones. Well, that’s somewhat of a consolation.

Lots of orange lava running all over the place.

That will be the hope of the tourist industry.

However, concerns have arisen that the next vent could be nearer the town of Grindavik.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 22, 2021 • 2:36:19am

Harmonic tremor chart for Fagradalsfjall:

When all three frequency bands get above a threshold (around 4000 on that scale) supposedly you get an eruption.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 22, 2021 • 2:44:54am

Depth, magnitude, and age (red past 4 hours, yellow previous 4 hours), under the peninsula:

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Teukka  Dec 22, 2021 • 2:59:15am

re: #67 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Depth, magnitude, and age (red past 4 hours, yellow previous 4 hours), under the peninsula:

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Hmm… I’m am not a seismologist, but isn’t that like hinting at motion in a big lava tube? 2021 is still not over, obviously… *sighs*

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 22, 2021 • 3:09:05am

re: #68 Teukka

It’s evidence of magma moving.

The entire Fagradalsfjall volcanic zone is one bit of the Atlantic ridge. Said ridge keeps trying to relocate to the east (over where the big volcanos lay.) Nevertheless, the entire nation of Iceland is one big pile of basalt (mostly), where the Atlantic ridge breaks the surface of the water.

Faults are quite numerous. Lava can come up anywhere.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Dec 22, 2021 • 3:11:19am

It sits, quietly, slow outgassing of the hot basalt as it crystalizes.

You can see how quickly contraction (from solidifying), cold, rain, and wind have crumbled the rim of the volcano.

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darthstar  Dec 22, 2021 • 3:45:19am

Gave our favorite bartender his 200 dollar xmas tip last night…that’s it. I’m done with going out for a while due to Omicron. Hoping we dodged the bullet. Got my MIL coming for Xmas dinner with her 100 year old boyfriend (he’s a doctor).

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darthstar  Dec 22, 2021 • 3:47:18am

She likes older men. Her husband was 93 when he passed six years ago.

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darthstar  Dec 22, 2021 • 4:18:11am

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Ming5000  Dec 22, 2021 • 4:23:05am

Someone posted a vid of Thom Hartman taking a call from an anti-vax idiot who claimed that they don’t need the vax because they live healthy and are healthy.
Here is yet another case of a delusional, self-important, vax denier finding out. This guy was (spoiler) 41.
You just cannot muscle your way through CV19 and many other things in life. Sometimes you need help.
sorryantivaxxer.com

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darthstar  Dec 22, 2021 • 4:37:15am

re: #74 Ming5000

Says he was ‘born premature’ - looks like he died that way too.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 22, 2021 • 4:55:41am

re: #49 Dread Pirate Ron

We’re getting weather here. This might be a good winter for the Bay Area and the Sierra. 11.70” so far and February and March are our rainy months.

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If the percentage is below 50 then it will probably be dry and California weather predictions are much more random than eastern states. We have no one to look west to to get info.

Send some to Colorado. We are in deep trouble here.

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ericblair  Dec 22, 2021 • 5:01:33am

re: #74 Ming5000

Someone posted a vid of Thom Hartman taking a call from an anti-vax idiot who claimed that they don’t need the vax because they live healthy and are healthy.
Here is yet another case of a delusional, self-important, vax denier finding out. This guy was (spoiler) 41.
You just cannot muscle your way through CV19 and many other things in life. Sometimes you need help.
sorryantivaxxer.com

I think a lot of the anti-vax psychology goes back to the obsession with purity both the far right and far left have. See, the truly pure are perfect, and therefore immune to the impurities of disease, and putting foreign, artificial stuff in your blood is the ultimate in defiling your perfect pure self. But, all sorts of dietary supplements full of who knows what are OK because somewhere it says “natural” on it.

Which segues right into all sorts of classism and racism, of course.

And yes, there’s ivermectin and regeneron, which are definitely artificial and are acceptable to the loons. I’d put that down to being approved by their leaders, plus those pointy-headed science types saying that ivermectin doesn’t work, so therefore it does because anti-establishment paranoia.

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steve_davis  Dec 22, 2021 • 5:12:18am

re: #14 Targetpractice

Yeah, no offense, but I’ve seen this movie already:

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which are we hoping for, slow Walkers, or the super-adrenoed 12 days later crowd?

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steve_davis  Dec 22, 2021 • 5:17:56am

re: #24 retired cynic

Think of the bravery of those who accepted the smallpox scratch back in the 1700s. My husband and I were fascinated with the story of Lady Mary Wortley Montague. I wonder how many people she saved? Her writing about visiting in the harem of the Sultan of Turkey is hysterical. She pointed out that when everyone was naked in the bath that you paid much more attention to other’s faces.

Everyman, by the way, has her collected letters, which of course she wrote in an age when people of a certain class and renown wrote their letters with the idea they would be read by others, after death. I keep meaning to dip in, but I’ve got an entire room full of books that I have to work through first.

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steve_davis  Dec 22, 2021 • 5:22:24am

re: #38 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

Multiple episodes of Star Trek had vaccines and cures developed in less than an hour.

and multiple subatomic particles discovered just in the nick of time for a desperate plot….”Captain, if we fire a burst of Gregorian rays at them, we’ll set their calendar back 13 days, and we can postpone the supernova.”

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jeffreyw  Dec 22, 2021 • 5:32:16am

Italian Beef

Good morning!

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ericblair  Dec 22, 2021 • 5:33:25am

I agree with this; the Overton window isn’t a real negotiating strategy. Pushing farther and farther into your wish list doesn’t move what the other side thinks is reasonable. It just means that you and your friends are talking yourselves further into unicorn land while everyone else quietly exits out the back.

What does move the marker is what gets done, and then you have a real baseline for moving things forward.

ETA: I don’t blame Bernie for any of this, since this is Manchin’s fault and Bernie has been a total standup guy the whole time, but the Overton Window concept is Not Helpful.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 22, 2021 • 5:55:37am

re: #78 steve_davis

which are we hoping for, slow Walkers, or the super-adrenoed 12 days later crowd?

If it’s the 12 Days Later types, I’m saving a bullet for myself because nope.

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No Malarkey!  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:04:08am

So apparently, the Pentagon resisted sending in the National Guard on January 6 because they were afraid Trump would use it to stage a military coup.

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No Malarkey!  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:06:32am
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Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:09:30am

re: #82 ericblair

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I agree with this; the Overton window isn’t a real negotiating strategy. Pushing farther and farther into your wish list doesn’t move what the other side thinks is reasonable. It just means that you and your friends are talking yourselves further into unicorn land while everyone else quietly exits out the back.

What does move the marker is what gets done, and then you have a real baseline for moving things forward.

ETA: I don’t blame Bernie for any of this, since this is Manchin’s fault and Bernie has been a total standup guy the whole time, but the Overton Window concept is Not Helpful.

It’s the same story we’ve heard time and again: Dems got “too ambitious,” asked for “too much” and “too fast,” and the conclusion will be that progressives are to blame because “moderates” like Manchin got cold feet and backed away.

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lawhawk  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:27:19am
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Teukka  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:32:51am

Poor doggo… :’( Stolen from reddit…

Iframe

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No Malarkey!  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:37:09am

re: #86 Targetpractice

It’s the same story we’ve heard time and again: Dems got “too ambitious,” asked for “too much” and “too fast,” and the conclusion will be that progressives are to blame because “moderates” like Manchin got cold feet and backed away.

I’ll just say that in my policy preferences, I am as progressive as anybody, and there is nothing wrong with having an ambitious agenda. But you have to face the reality that you can’t get more than what the most conservative member of your legislative majority is willing to vote for, and keep in mind that if Joe Manchin was a progressive, he would not be the Senator from W.V., some GOP Trumper would be.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:38:45am

re: #73 darthstar

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mmmirele  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:39:32am

I guess this is news if it’s on Reuters?

Wells Fargo delays plans for employee return to office amid Omicron surge

NEW YORK, Dec 21 (Reuters) - Wells Fargo & Co said on Tuesday it has delayed its plans for employees to return to the office “given the changing external environment,” according to a statement, the latest bank to adjust plans as the Omicron variant spreads.

The bank said it will announce new plans for a full return in the new year.

Wells Fargo had earlier set Jan. 10 for a mandatory return for many employees, including those who support business lines.

*snip*

Bank of America Corp (BAC.N) and Citigroup Inc (C.N) are among banks that have recently told New York City employees they may work from home during the holidays.

Still, some are sticking closer to their plans. For example, Goldman Sachs Group Inc (GS.N) had not given employees that option as of Tuesday, according to a person familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

reuters.com

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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:41:41am
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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:44:47am

re: #91 mmmirele

I guess this is news if it’s on Reuters?

reuters.com

I’m tempted to remote in and check my work email to see if they’re still sticking to being fully back to normal (I’m off until the new year). They had decided that December 13th was return-to-normal day.

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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:45:50am

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:47:00am

re: #81 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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lawhawk  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:47:31am

re: #93 Belafon

A whole lot of companies are putting off their back to office policies, or expanding their hybrid work arrangements through early next year because of omicron.

Know what would get everyone back to the office? If everyone vaccinated and boosted and masked and social distanced for a few weeks. That would reduce the spread, allow contact tracers to get a handle on individual outbreaks, and contain this thing.

But there’s far too many who wont do all of the above, let alone most of it, despite masking, vaccinations, and social distancing all being relatively cheap (or free). Know what isn’t cheap or free - getting covid, being hospitalized, and dying.

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Jay C  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:54:54am

re: #85 No Malarkey!

Gee, is this shit actually supposed to be some sort of “scoop”? That the FBI would keep a hawk eye on any sort of “leftist” movement/organization, while - at most - back-burnering surveillance of right-wingers, shouldn’t (even in 2021) be much of “news”. I guess the “big reveal” is seeing it in print in the NYT.

Also: this hardly seems like that widespread a mass movement. A quick count of the demonstrators in that picture (the one with the “We Want Revenge” banner) comes up with 50 (maybe 60) people: why do I think that that number is probably the entirety of the regional “Antifa” ? Even including the likely FBI plants, and the occasional bored hangers-on??

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steve_davis  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:57:09am

re: #94 Belafon

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oh, well, that’s only roughly 400,000 dead in a year, so hey, we’re on course!

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lawhawk  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:58:52am

re: #97 Jay C

Wouldn’t the scoop be that the FBI embedded in these leftist groups and found no criminal conspiracies? All the while, they ignored actively planning right wing domestic terror groups because too many of the FBI’s own were sympathetic to the aims of said groups (aka Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, and 3 percenters).

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Jay C  Dec 22, 2021 • 6:58:59am

re: #92 Belafon

But my hot take for today is that it is actually a healthy sign when the White House reverses course after a mistake.

And, just IMHO - and a vastly appreciable difference between this Admin and TFG’s - it’s an even healthier sign that they will change policy without first engaging in a nasty-mouthed blamefest trying pin the “mistake” on Someone/Anyone Else.

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No Malarkey!  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:01:10am

re: #100 Jay C

And, just IMHO - and a vastly appreciable difference between this Admin and TFG’s - it’s an even healthier sign that they will change policy without first engaging in a nasty-mouthed blamefest trying pin the “mistake” on Someone/Anyone Else.

And demanding that governors kiss the presidential ass or their states may not get assistance.

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Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:01:38am

re: #89 No Malarkey!

I’ll just say that in my policy preferences, I am as progressive as anybody, and there is nothing wrong with having an ambitious agenda. But you have to face the reality that you can’t get more than what the most conservative member of your legislative majority is willing to vote for, and keep in mind that if Joe Manchin was a progressive, he would not be the Senator from W.V., some GOP Trumper would be.

You know how you get conservatives to move out of their comfort zone? You put what they want outside their reach and tell them if they want it bad enough, then they’ll find a way to reach it. You sure as shit don’t give it to them up-front with a non-binding “agreement” to support what you want afterward.

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Teukka  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:03:53am

re: #102 Targetpractice

You know how you get conservatives to move out of their comfort zone? You put what they want outside their reach and tell them if they want it bad enough, then they’ll find a way to reach it. You sure as shit don’t give it to them up-front with a non-binding “agreement” to support what you want afterward.

I would add clearly specifying what they’ve already lost by dragging their feet, so in-your-face they cannot deny seeing it.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:04:28am

re: #99 lawhawk

Wouldn’t the scoop be that the FBI embedded in these leftist groups and found no criminal conspiracies? All the while, they ignored actively planning right wing domestic terror groups because too many of the FBI’s own were sympathetic to the aims of said groups (aka Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, and 3 percenters).

The standing joke in the Old Left groups was that you could always tell the FBI infiltrators—they were the only ones who paid the dues.

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KGxvi  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:07:01am

re: #82 ericblair

The Overton Window is a decent theory to help discuss what happens/happened. But it’s not an actual strategy. It’s a lot like advanced stats in sports. Useful after the fact to measure things as a whole but worthless for telling you what you should do in the particular situation that you face

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Teukka  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:09:49am

Now I’ve seen everything… Pasta …

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danarchy  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:10:14am

re: #85 No Malarkey!

The Portland protests went on for weeks or months, the January 6 riot was over in a matter of hours. Hard to really get people embedded in that amount of time and we know the FBI was surveilling a lot of those groups beforehand, just didn’t get the relevant info to the locals.

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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:15:25am

re: #107 danarchy

The Portland protests went on for weeks or months, the January 6 riot was over in a matter of hours. Hard to really get people embedded in that amount of time and we know the FBI was surveilling a lot of those groups beforehand, just didn’t get the relevant info to the locals.

Plans for it were going around since November.

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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:15:52am
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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:18:23am
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Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:18:41am

re: #109 Belafon

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IIRC, both pills have the same restriction: They have to be administered when symptoms first appear, you can’t start taking them when you’re gasping for every breath and expect them to work.

The problem? Most of the people who remained unvaccinated at this point are also the sort of people who won’t get see by a doctor until they’re too far gone for the pills to work.

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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:18:46am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:20:16am

re: #96 lawhawk

Know what would get everyone back to the office? If everyone vaccinated and boosted and masked and social distanced for a few weeks. That would reduce the spread, allow contact tracers to get a handle on individual outbreaks, and contain this thing

Or, even better, don’t require people to return to an outdated system of business when not necessary. I can perform 100% of my job remotely. Better for my mental health, no time / money wasted on a commute, and much better for the environment.

There is no fucking way I will return to an office after this proof of concept about 100% telework.

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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:20:57am
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ericblair  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:22:42am

re: #102 Targetpractice

You know how you get conservatives to move out of their comfort zone? You put what they want outside their reach and tell them if they want it bad enough, then they’ll find a way to reach it. You sure as shit don’t give it to them up-front with a non-binding “agreement” to support what you want afterward.

And if they don’t want it bad enough? Progressives want change and “conservatives” don’t. The “conservatives”’ superpower is Not Giving A Shit. We do.

With BBB, I find it far more believable that Manchin would be just fine with West Virginia bridges getting a couple of years rustier than having his sweet sweet coal money train come screeching to a halt.

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Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:24:48am

re: #110 Belafon

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The vaccines have proven to be roughly as effective against the Delta strain as they are against the initial two variants. And appear (based on initial data) to work against Omicron as well if a booster is applied. There’s evidence now that getting a booster even after acquiring “natural immunity” through infection can boost your immune response higher still.

The idea that the WH “overpromised” because they put faith in the vaccines is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

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nines09  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:30:18am

Hello all. Got our test results back. Negative.
And between my wife and I, where we go to get our hair cut is the ONLY house we have been in outside of ours since the outbreak.
And she was vaxxed and boosted.
Stay safe.

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ericblair  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:33:54am

re: #105 KGxvi

The Overton Window is a decent theory to help discuss what happens/happened.

Is there any evidence for this working? Serious question. I’d interpret this as a political group increasing its demands, and with that act alone getting a better result. There are plenty of situations where outside forces would encourage a group to ask for more and then get a better result, but that’s not what we’re talking about.

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No Malarkey!  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:37:16am

re: #109 Belafon

The question is, will the antivaxxers take these pills, or will they stick with horse paste? I’m guessing the grifters will tell them these new pills are “poison.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:38:03am

*thud*

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Dangerman  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:40:45am
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Jay C  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:42:18am

re: #99 lawhawk

Wouldn’t the scoop be that the FBI embedded in these leftist groups and found no criminal conspiracies? All the while, they ignored actively planning right wing domestic terror groups because too many of the FBI’s own were sympathetic to the aims of said groups (aka Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, and 3 percenters).

Well, after reading the NYT piece, I noticed a couple of things:

1. The FBI plants did uncover criminal activity: but it was typically “property crime”; mostly demonstration violence and vandalism: the article makes no mention of “conspiracies”, per se.
2. The article does mention that the Bureau keeps an eye on potentially violent RW groups: but the focus of the authors seems to be on the Portland situation - a “lefty” one; it’s telling, though, that they quote Director Wray’s overwrought BS to Congress about the “Antifa threat”.
3. The writers, though, (IMO) skip over one major point: they report on the Portland unrest and the leftist protestors, but (as usual) don’t give any indication of how widespread a “movement” it was or is. They cite no numbers outside of “several hundred demonstrators” in one case (which I think is probably an over-estimation), but make little effort to gauge exactly how “popular” “Antifa” and its actions are.

[Just a cynical guess on my part: they avoid the subject because “Antifa” is still too useful a boogeyman to the Right - whose sensibilities the “mainstream” press tiptoes around as a matter of course - and still cling to the “Whataboutism” and “BothSides” Narrative that would get upended by the revelation that “Antifa”, rather than being the fearsome black-clad horde of violent anarchists of RW fever-dreams is a tiny fringe of local nutbars in a few cities - with little mass appeal, and little ability to do much beyond the occasional vandalism. But of course, with a massive online presence…..]

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Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:44:25am

re: #115 ericblair

And if they don’t want it bad enough? Progressives want change and “conservatives” don’t. The “conservatives”’ superpower is Not Giving A Shit. We do.

With BBB, I find it far more believable that Manchin would be just fine with West Virginia bridges getting a couple of years rustier than having his sweet sweet coal money train come screeching to a halt.

We’ll never know because we decided that “governing” and “passing something” was more important. That we could not bear the thought of failing to pass a bill this year, so we abandoned all leverage we had because we were promised that giving corporate Dems what they wanted without any compromise was “bipartisan.” And then shat all over progressives who voted against such.

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Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:45:34am

re: #114 Belafon

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Speaking as a Virginian, “We’re not Republicans” is a losing strategy.

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Dangerman  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:45:44am

Narrator: The US economy under President Biden is growing fast.
Crowd: How fast is it growing?
Narrator: So fast it broke the global supply chain!

A booming U.S. economy is rippling around the world, leaving global supply chains struggling to keep up and pushing up prices,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

“U.S. economic output is set to expand by more than 7% annualized in the final three months of the year, up from about 2% in the previous quarter… That compares with expected annualized growth of about 2% in the eurozone and 4% in China for the fourth quarter.”

Dems should start repeating: Inflation is only happening because the US economy is growing twice as fast as China’s.

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Dangerman  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:50:12am

re: #110 Belafon

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Biden’s covid over-promising was rooted in an understandable faith that everyone would cooperate and participate so we could crush this fast and actually be done with it

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lawhawk  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:53:55am
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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:56:51am

re: #124 Targetpractice

Speaking as a Virginian, “We’re not Republicans” is a losing strategy.

If “You need to elect more Democrats to pass more stuff” doesn’t work then nothing will.

“Biden passed the most progressive agenda since at least LBJ with only fifty Senators. Imagine what he could do with more.”
“But he didn’t get minimum wage passed, or make the child tax credit permanent, or cancel all student debt, or make marijuana legal, or protect abortion.”
“As I said, elect more Demo-“
“Why should I, they won’t do what I want.”

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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:57:25am

re: #125 Dangerman

Narrator: The US economy under President Biden is growing fast.
Crowd: How fast is it growing?
Narrator: So fast it broke the global supply chain!

Dems should start repeating: Inflation is only happening because the US economy is growing twice as fast as China’s.

Republicans: we have a cure for that.

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Dangerman  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:58:38am

re: #122 Jay C

That was Trump’s America.

He caused the civil unrest, protests, and crime.

Has any more of that happened since he was voted out?

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lawhawk  Dec 22, 2021 • 7:59:31am

He fucked around… and found out. Antivaxxer politician dies of covid19.

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ericblair  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:02:21am

re: #123 Targetpractice

We’ll never know because we decided that “governing” and “passing something” was more important. That we could not bear the thought of failing to pass a bill this year, so we abandoned all leverage we had because we were promised that giving corporate Dems what they wanted without any compromise was “bipartisan.” And then shat all over progressives who voted against such.

It’s one counterfactual versus another. However, given Pelosi’s negotiation track record versus the progressives’ who voted against BIF, I think I’ll stick with Pelosi’s judgment.

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Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:08:16am

re: #128 Belafon

If “You need to elect more Democrats to pass more stuff” doesn’t work then nothing will.

“Biden passed the most progressive agenda since at least LBJ with only fifty Senators. Imagine what he could do with more.”
“But he didn’t get minimum wage passed, or make the child tax credit permanent, or cancel all student debt, or make marijuana legal, or protect abortion.”
“As I said, elect more Demo-“
“Why should I, they won’t do what I want.”

The issue is that “pass more stuff” doesn’t seem to mean the same to the party leadership as it does to progressives. We can easily pass “more stuff” if we write bills that appease both corporate Dems and Repubs, the BIF proved that rather clearly last month. But when it comes to passing things that progressives want, all we ever hear is “vote harder.”

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nines09  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:08:55am

re: #131 lawhawk

And every time I read about people like him all I think about is the people he may have infected on his way to being fitted for a wooden suit.
But we will never know that will we?

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Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:10:06am

re: #132 ericblair

It’s one counterfactual versus another. However, given Pelosi’s negotiation track record and the progressives’ who voted against BIF, I think I’ll stick with Pelosi’s judgment.

The progressives voted against the BIF because they were promised that it would not be brought to a vote until the BBB had received a vote in the Senate. A promise was made, a promise was broken, and yet it’s progressives who are in the wrong.

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danarchy  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:11:21am

re: #134 nines09

And every time I read about people like him all I think about is the people he may have infected on his way to being fitted for a wooden suit.
But we will never know that will we?

Germany is pretty good at contact tracing, they probably have a good idea.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:14:11am

oh…

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gocart mozart  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:21:41am
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darthstar  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:24:45am

Okay…I’m recovered from reading more than one sorry anti vaxxer. Sometimes I get so pissed off at them and the ignorance of their families “as his team says, it’s one step forward, two steps back” (like that’s a good thing) I can’t feel any sympathy for them.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:36:18am

I don’t think civilization will survive social media.

CHESTER, Pennsylvania — A Pennsylvania family is warning others following the loss of their 10-year-old daughter after she took part in a dangerous challenge she saw on a popular social media app.

It’s the latest child death to be linked to a social media dare dubbed the “Blackout Challenge,” where you hold your breath until you pass out. ABC7

Fuck the vile motherfucking sociopaths that put this out there.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:42:25am

Found this posted on Crooks&Liars by a commenter. Thought it was pretty good.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:42:41am

We need a lot more of this. Wood is Trotsky but who gets to wield the ice-axe?

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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:44:36am

re: #133 Targetpractice

The issue is that “pass more stuff” doesn’t seem to mean the same to the party leadership as it does to progressives. We can easily pass “more stuff” if we write bills that appease both corporate Dems and Repubs, the BIF proved that rather clearly last month. But when it comes to passing things that progressives want, all we ever hear is “vote harder.”

And therefore they don’t understand the concept of progress, and we won’t make any while they think that way. If they don’t want “corporate Dems,” meaning Manchin, Sinema, and a few others, then they’re going to have to elect more Democrats. If they don’t understand the progress that was made with a VP majority in the Senate, then progress will never be consistent and continuous. And they’re not going to get the revolution they keep hoping for by throwing their vote at third party candidates.

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Jay C  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:44:54am

re: #142 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

We need a lot more of this. Wood is Trotsky but who gets to wield the ice-axe?

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Sounds like old Lin is waving that axe around quite well on his own.

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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:49:10am

re: #140 Teddy’s Person

I remember that challenge when I was a kid, but I just assumed, like most people, that you would start breathing again if you passed out.

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Crush White Nationalism  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:52:12am

re: #145 Belafon

I remember that challenge when I was a kid, but I just assumed, like most people, that you would start breathing again if you passed out.

That is the usual result. She may have had some health condition that caused this unusual result.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:52:57am

re: #145 Belafon

I remember that challenge when I was a kid, but I just assumed, like most people, that you would start breathing again if you passed out.

Given the one-ups-manship of social media, I wonder if this poor girl wrapped something around her neck.

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darthstar  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:55:20am

Jesus.

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Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:55:45am

re: #143 Belafon

And therefore they don’t understand the concept of progress, and we won’t make any while they think that way. If they don’t want “corporate Dems,” meaning Manchin, Sinema, and a few others, then they’re going to have to elect more Democrats. If they don’t understand the progress that was made with a VP majority in the Senate, then progress will never be consistent and continuous. And they’re not going to get the revolution they keep hoping for by throwing their vote at third party candidates.

What they get told is “If we win Congress, then we can pass all those things that you really want!” So they show up, they vote like crazy, and the Dems win Congressional majorities. Only to then be told that what they want is unrealistic, that they have to settle for whatever a handful of “moderate” Dems will agree to, and if they want more then they need to “vote harder.” And if they try to flex what little political muscle they have, try to use their votes as leverage to move things along faster, they get shat upon and told that they’re “childish” and “unreasonable.”

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danarchy  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:56:14am

re: #145 Belafon

I remember that challenge when I was a kid, but I just assumed, like most people, that you would start breathing again if you passed out.

Yeah I don’t think most of these things are unique to social media, kids have always done stupid things and encouraged their friends to do stupid things. The difference now is when the worst happens instead of being a local tragedy it becomes a national story and gives the impression these things are happening a lot more than they used to.

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Crush White Nationalism  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:57:23am

re: #148 darthstar

Jesus.

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Sedate them, check them into the psych ward, and charge them a fortune for their treatment.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 22, 2021 • 8:59:47am

re: #143 Belafon

And therefore they don’t understand the concept of progress, and we won’t make any while they think that way. If they don’t want “corporate Dems,” meaning Manchin, Sinema, and a few others, then they’re going to have to elect more Democrats. If they don’t understand the progress that was made with a VP majority in the Senate, then progress will never be consistent and continuous. And they’re not going to get the revolution they keep hoping for by throwing their vote at third party candidates.

We got Trump because too many thought that Hillary was an unredeemable corporatist. So instead, our nation elected a grifter, racist, and conman who has successfully created a braindead cult that is working overtime to overturn our democracy.

Getting BIF through was a real and major accomplishment for the Democrats; it’s a bill that helps our nation and working class and should be touted everywhere. After all, Trump the “master builder” was unable to achieve this goal when he had a real majority during his first two years, and even when the Democrats took over in 2018, they would have been happy to collaborate on such legislation. BIF is a great bill on its own. We can work on getting a version of BBB through, even if it’s not perfect. As they say, “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good”; you will end up with neither.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:01:47am

re: #150 danarchy

Yeah I don’t think most of these things are unique to social media, kids have always done stupid things and encouraged their friends to do stupid things. The difference now is when the worst happens instead of being a local tragedy it becomes a national story and gives the impression these things are happening a lot more than they used to.

Also these stupid ideas now reach a larger audience and persuade even more people to engage in these destructive behaviors.

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A Cranky One  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:02:52am

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Jay C  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:04:27am

re: #151 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Sedate them, check them into the psych ward, and charge them a fortune for their treatment.

After which (and after a thorough marination in RW anger-media outrage), they will go and badger their (Republican) state legislatures to pass laws mandating hospitals dispense quack-treatment-on demand: all in the name of “Freedom” and “Patients’ Rights”, of course.
Which the (R) Leges will do, and the (R) Governors sign. Probably immediately.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:04:49am

re: #148 darthstar

atacking medical caregivers to prove that they’re not “sheeple”

They are jackassple

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A Cranky One  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:04:59am

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:08:28am

re: #153 Hecuba’s daughter

Also these stupid ideas now reach a larger audience and persuade even more people to engage in these destructive behaviors.

Maybe. I remember reading that every black person in the US knew that MLK had been shot within about 15 minutes of the murder, this in a world of no computers, cell phones or internet. Word of mouth is much more powerful than we remember, although social media may speed it up.

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Targetpractice  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:08:51am

So initial impressions of the new Matrix sequel: This thing is just above a Syfy “Movie of the Week” in terms of production quality.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:11:30am

re: #155 Jay C

After which (and after a thorough marination in RW anger-media outrage), they will go and badger their (Republican) state legislatures to pass laws mandating hospitals dispense quack-treatment-on demand: all in the name of “Freedom” and “Patients’ Rights”, of course.
Which the (R) Leges will do, and the (R) Governors sign. Probably immediately.

If that happens (I doubt it), hospitals can retaliate by dispensing those treatments on an outpatient basis only. In other words, upon admission to the hospital, you need to sign an agreement to play by their rules while you’re under their care.

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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:13:05am

Those on the far left were particularly screwed, especially since so many of the things cut were there to help minorities. I also think Pelosi told them they could vote against it, because, unlike Manchin, they care about making progress, and would have voted for it if they were needed.

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Dangerman  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:17:47am

re: #74 Ming5000

Someone posted a vid of Thom Hartman taking a call from an anti-vax idiot who claimed that they don’t need the vax because they live healthy and are healthy.
Here is yet another case of a delusional, self-important, vax denier finding out. This guy was (spoiler) 41.
You just cannot muscle your way through CV19 and many other things in life. Sometimes you need help.
sorryantivaxxer.com

I live healthy and am healthy.

I should be able to run a marathon without water.

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gocart mozart  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:23:33am
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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:24:59am

re: #136 danarchy

Germany is pretty good at contact tracing, they probably have a good idea.

Probably all they have to ask for contacts in the AfD:

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Crush White Nationalism  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:25:05am

Maybe Vance isn’t an educated man pretending to be stupid to appeal to right-wing authoritarian voters.

Some internet mischief-makers created a fake DHS website purporting to show President Biden’s plan for COVID-19 concentration camps—and conservative Senate candidate JD Vance fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

The venture capitalist and would-be politician perhaps should have noticed that the site—which claimed to outline government intentions to restrict cross-state travel and set up Australia-like “quarantine centers”—listed the DHS Secretary not as present officeholder Alejandro Mayorkas but as Tim Woods, otherwise known as the DHS secretary in two seasons of the TV show 24.

Gullible MAGA Fan JD Vance Falls for Obvious Hoax about Biden’s COVID ‘Concentration Camps’ (The Daily Beast)

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No Malarkey!  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:26:15am

re: #131 lawhawk

He fucked around… and found out. Antivaxxer politician dies of covid19.

Number 57 on my list of dead prominent antivaxxers. No prominent vaccine advocates have died of either the vaccine or Covid that I am aware of.

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KGxvi  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:28:29am

re: #118 ericblair

Is there any evidence for this working? Serious question. I’d interpret this as a political group increasing its demands, and with that act alone getting a better result. There are plenty of situations where outside forces would encourage a group to ask for more and then get a better result, but that’s not what we’re talking about.

As I understand it, the Overton window is just short hand for what we would consider “mainstream” politics within a political body. The Overton window in, say, California is different than it is in, say, Idaho. And the National window is different than it is in any particular state.

Shifts in the window are ultimately shifts in voter demands. The driving forces are an entirely different question. Republican/conservative voters have shifted the window in the US very far to the right bases on their political demands since the 1970s. And for much of that time, Democrats/liberals/progressives have been fighting a rear guard action (see, for example: all things Clinton).

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:29:50am

re: #158 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Maybe. I remember reading that every black person in the US knew that MLK had been shot within about 15 minutes of the murder, this in a world of no computers, cell phones or internet. Word of mouth is much more powerful than we remember, although social media may speed it up.

But it was a world where practically every family had a TV and/or radio and telephone. That was the type of news that nationwide every network or station would interrupt regularly scheduled broadcasting to announce. It didn’t need word of mouth because the world was very connected even back then.

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wrenchwench  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:32:22am

It was arson:

Investigators have determined the cause of the fire was incendiary in nature.

The NPR affiliate shall remain nameless.

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No Malarkey!  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:33:26am

Cool your heels in the slammer and wait, fascist. White skin doesn’t get you moved to the front of the line.

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No Malarkey!  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:38:12am
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Teukka  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:42:48am

re: #148 darthstar

Jesus.

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Actual tweet link:

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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:49:13am

re: #148 darthstar

Then they shouldn’t go to a hospital. Their church should be able to handle them.

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No Malarkey!  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:51:18am

re: #173 Belafon

Then they shouldn’t go to a hospital. Their church should be able to handle them.

Or their local vet or feed store.

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No Malarkey!  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:51:41am

re: #170 No Malarkey!

Cool your heels in the slammer and wait, fascist. White skin doesn’t get you moved to the front of the line.

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nines09  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:54:01am

The NHL will not send any players to the Olympics. And I just think it’s a matter of time before we are right back to where we were because stupid maims and kills.
And I will not be playing out live in front of “Where’s Stupid?” any time soon.

My county has a vax rate of under 50% because stupid.
I can’t even.

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Teukka  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:56:37am

So this floated by in my YouTube feed. Appropriate given the season. Not about the dangers of counterfeit fireworks, but fake videos of fireworks.

Youtube Video

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wrenchwench  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:56:49am

re: #174 No Malarkey!

Or their local vet or feed store.

I had a customer who had been a large animal vet who retired to NM from Iowa. I never figured out what percentage was self-deprecation and what percentage was boasting, but he often told people he just met where his arm had been how far up to his shoulder.

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Belafon  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:56:52am

re: #174 No Malarkey!

Or their local vet or feed store.

I don’t want them getting care my pets need.

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No Malarkey!  Dec 22, 2021 • 9:58:32am

Endorsed by Niki Minaj’s cousin’s friend.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 22, 2021 • 10:04:15am

re: #176 nines09

The NHL will not send any players to the Olympics. And I just think it’s a matter of time before we are right back to where we were because stupid maims and kills.
And I will not be playing out live in front of “Where’s Stupid?” any time soon.

My county has a vax rate of under 50% because stupid.
I can’t even.

46.3% in my County. The new two counties over are at 54.8% and 41.2%. Guess which county includes the most Democratic voters.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 22, 2021 • 10:09:00am

re: #163 gocart mozart

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They should “do their research”, as they say.

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lawhawk  Dec 22, 2021 • 10:12:35am
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nines09  Dec 22, 2021 • 10:15:44am

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

Welcome to my world. But you would never know it with the amount of stupid walking around here with no mask on. Restaurants are full. Shopping on full tilt.
And they do not include deaths’ of folks who were compromised so badly pneumonia or another ailment killed them in the CV death rate. Now imagine those numbers across the nation.
I do not have a good feeling about this winter at all.
When that old friend of mine died before their was a vaccine, I got a text that was a group and I didn’t know all the people who were on it.
And what made me nuts was the chirping about “Well, he had leukemia. That’s what did him in.”
No.
No.
No.
Stupid.

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Dangerman  Dec 22, 2021 • 10:17:11am

re: #140 Teddy’s Person

I don’t think civilization will survive social media.

Fuck the vile motherfucking sociopaths that put this out there.

Who’s surprised?

A new study finds a remarkably consistent trend: The mainstream political right enjoys higher algorithmic amplification on Twitter than the mainstream political left.

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darthstar  Dec 22, 2021 • 10:17:17am

re: #173 Belafon

Then they shouldn’t go to a hospital. Their church should be able to handle them.

Tell them the price of being on a ventilator is around 7 cents per breath (~1500 dollars/day).

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darthstar  Dec 22, 2021 • 10:21:46am

re: #184 nines09

We sat at a full bar for dinner last night. Sat at a full bar for breakfast Sunday morning too. County is 90%+ vaccinated but the harbor bar where we had breakfast caters to lots of young fishermen and contractors - people who don’t think they’ll ever get sick.

Going to self test in the morning on Xmas eve because I feel like I’ve been too careless. Also canceling visiting my brother as he’s not vaccinated. Just done with it all.

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nines09  Dec 22, 2021 • 10:25:13am

re: #187 darthstar

The major highway that goes through my borough has people from Canada and all points south, east and west driving through. And they stop and eat. And shop.
And we never go anywhere without a mask and distancing.
But we are in the minority and man is it fucking old.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 22, 2021 • 10:26:21am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Dec 22, 2021 • 10:33:20am

These goobers think that “People for the American Way” coined the term “American Way.” Have they never heard of Superman? Margaret Bourke-White? Even the very name of one of their most sacred institutions, Amway, is a contraction of “American Way.”
facebook.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 22, 2021 • 10:54:13am

re: #176 nines09

The NHL will not send any players to the Olympics. And I just think it’s a matter of time before we are right back to where we were because stupid maims and kills.
And I will not be playing out live in front of “Where’s Stupid?” any time soon.

My county has a vax rate of under 50% because stupid.
I can’t even.

Mine county, too.
That’s Pennsyltucky in a nutshell.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Dec 22, 2021 • 11:07:28am

re: #168 Hecuba’s daughter

But it was a world where practically every family had a TV and/or radio and telephone. That was the type of news that nationwide every network or station would interrupt regularly scheduled broadcasting to announce. It didn’t need word of mouth because the world was very connected even back then.

It took longer to disseminate over the airways (I remember).

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sagehen  Dec 22, 2021 • 12:23:45pm

re: #158 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Maybe. I remember reading that every black person in the US knew that MLK had been shot within about 15 minutes of the murder, this in a world of no computers, cell phones or internet. Word of mouth is much more powerful than we remember, although social media may speed it up.

Radio. the AP wire. Every city had a black radio station, and a black church, and how long does it take for some kid who heard it on the radio to run down the street yelling.


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