Bon Iver - Second Nature (From ‘Don’t Look Up’)

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To be honest I was lukewarm about the film, not because I’m a climate change denier but because too much (not all) of it was heavy-handed, leaden, and obvious, despite a stellar cast — but the song Justin Vernon composed for it is sublime.

The official “Second Nature” audio by Bon Iver from ‘Don’t Look Up (Soundtrack from the Netflix Film).’ Listen & download “Don’t Look Up” here: dontlookup.lnk.to

Produced by Bon Iver, Nicholas Britell, & Chris Messina
Written by Bon Iver & Nicholas Britell

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Official “Second Nature” Lyrics:

Is this our first? or second nature?
When’s that Rapture…will there be merch?
Where is mother — she was a stunner, can we page her?
What mine eyes have seen could really take the Purse…
Are we charged now? or are we Fakers?
Parade around or get in work? Or just desert…

We will see you next time
They’ll be water in the rain
Territories pay fines
All long day (SAY IT WILL BE! SAY IT WILL BE!)
All may not be just fine! (All LONG DAY!)
There is another fate, a way
To not be too late: Un obfuscate

Is this our fault? and are We just too damn used to it…
The cipher too elusive and that tale it just won’t stop
You could vaguely on top, strike the key, lay down the mop
As if endings ain’t endings and feet they just won’t drop
Ain’t this Real time? And aren’t we Takers?
You want what’s more and don’t excuse…
And just REFUSE…

We will see you next time (Is this mercy?)
They’ll be water in the rain
Territories Pay Fines
All Long Day (SAY IT WITH ME! SAY IT WITH ME!)
All may not be just fine! (All LONG DAY!)
There is another fate, a way
To not be too late…

We will see you next time
They’ll be water in the rain
Territories Pay Fines
All Long Day (SAY IT WITH ME! SAY IT WITH ME!)
All may not be just fine! (All LONG DAY!)
There is another fate, a way
To not be too late: Un obfuscate

#BonIver #SecondNature #DontLookUp

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276 comments
1
Dangerman  Jan 3, 2022 • 5:51:46pm

Just dropping this here

It would fit in so many circumstances right now.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 3, 2022 • 5:55:02pm

re: #1 Dangerman

Isaac hit the nail squarely on the head.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2022 • 5:56:11pm

holy shit the sun

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2022 • 5:56:58pm
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ipsos  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:04:01pm

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

Isaac hit the nail squarely on the head.

And yesterday was his birthday, or at least the date he claimed, since there were no records from Russia. He’d have turned 102.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:05:29pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:05:46pm

re: #5 ipsos

Yes. He was a great writer and visionary.

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ipsos  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:08:00pm

re: #7 PhillyPretzel

Yes. He was a great writer and visionary.

I idolized him growing up… even wrote him a letter (and got a response!)

In later years his reputation has been tarnished a bit - he did not treat women well. But I still enjoy reading him.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:09:34pm

re: #7 PhillyPretzel

Yes. He was a great writer and visionary.

Not to mention a sexist garbage pig.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:10:28pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:10:32pm

re: #9 The Pie Overlord!

I agree. No one is perfect.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:17:18pm

Rachel is back from vacation. She just covered a little story very close to home:

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William Lewis  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:22:09pm

re: #8 ipsos

I idolized him growing up… even wrote him a letter (and got a response!)

In later years his reputation has been tarnished a bit - he did not treat women well. But I still enjoy reading him.

Many of the SF greats of that generation had some significant … let’s say foibles. Clarke, Heinlein, Asimov, Dick, etc. all had significant flaws.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:23:13pm

re: #6 The Pie Overlord!

We’re having chili cheese dogs for dinner, too.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:26:37pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:32:26pm

Speaking of sexist gasbags, here’s a two-fer:

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:52:12pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:56:00pm

Well hi there Ricky!

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:57:50pm

re: #16 Barefoot Grin

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Dangerman  Jan 3, 2022 • 6:58:08pm

re: #12 A Mom Anon

Rachel is back from vacation. She just covered a little story very close to home:

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:00:37pm

re: #16 Barefoot Grin

Trying to link himself with Norman Mailer may be his funniest bit yet.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:03:27pm

re: #16 Barefoot Grin

Maybe Mailer’s work can enter the public domain and be published on Gutenberg or the Internet Archive. The famous editor of Astounding, John Campbell, was published this way: His collected editorials are on Gutenberg.

Sadly, I have never been able to read more than a few pages of Campbell. Even in his time, he was hard, hard, HARD right, never mind today. The editorials of Readers Digest, and the Manchester Union-Leader on roids. Heavy roids, with rage included!

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A Cranky One  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:03:32pm

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:05:47pm

re: #21 jaunte

Trying to link himself with Norman Mailer may be his funniest bit yet.

Mailer would no doubt hate Piers. Way down in that thread is a glorious SCTV bit with Eugene Levy as Mailer trying to write ad for a detergent and Martin Short as Gore Vidal whose clothes “Mailer” bloodies in a brawl.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:07:15pm

“…Ernby was a political newcomer when she ran for the 74th Assembly District seat in 2020. She campaigned on plans to enhance border security, enact “tough love” policies for homeless people, promote environmental protections with proven results and oppose all new taxes, calling herself a “pro-business, pro-taxpayer, political outsider” who wanted to “bring back conservative values in California.” She also spoke publicly against government mandates requiring people to get vaccinated against COVID-19.”

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:07:57pm

Tough love.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:08:52pm

re: #22 Sherlock Hound

Maybe Mailer’s work can enter the public domain and be published on Gutenberg or the Internet Archive. The famous editor of Astounding, John Campbell, was published this way: His collected editorials are on Gutenberg.

Sadly, I have never been able to read more than a few pages of Campbell. Even in his time, he was hard, hard, HARD right, never mind today. The editorials of Readers Digest, and the Manchester Union-Leader on roids. Heavy roids, with rage included!

You have just introduced me to John Campbell. A quick look at his wiki page leads me to think that I probably won’t try to read anything either.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:10:30pm
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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:10:41pm

re: #22 Sherlock Hound

Science fiction is a great place for conservative libertarians, where just imagining ones innate superiority is enough to solve most problems.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:12:14pm

re: #144 Hecuba’s daughter

Crenshaw keeps trying for his Sister Souljah Moment with MTG.

I suppose his desire to be a big somebody in the GOP has led him to calculate that MTG will ruin whatever chances he has with the not-rabidly-wingnut section of the GOP masses.

It’s not going to work. Crenshaw himself is a smarmy politician of the Ted Cruz type. Trying to call MTG a “Democrat” is just a form of dog-whistling.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:12:18pm

re: #25 jaunte

No. 61 on my list of dead prominent antivaxxers.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:12:46pm

What it feels like when you have not caught covid:

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:21:00pm

LOL

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:22:09pm
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A Mom Anon  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:28:20pm

re: #20 Dangerman

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:28:21pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:29:34pm

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:30:29pm

“…The presence of these extraordinary forces under the control of the Attorney General—and mostly operating under contingency plans that Congress and the U.S. Capitol Police were not privy to—added an additional layer of highly armed responders. The role that the military played in this highly classified operation is still unknown, though FBI sources tell Newsweek that military operators seconded to the FBI, and those on alert as part of the National Mission Force, were present in the metropolitan area. The lingering question is: What was it that the Justice Department saw that provoked it to see January 6 as an extraordinary event, something that the other agencies evidently missed.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:31:46pm

PROJECTIN’ LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE… SPAACE… SPAAAAAACE!!!

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:36:40pm

re: #39 The Pie Overlord!

PROJECTIN’ LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE… SPACE… SPAAAAAACE!!!

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It’s like when Tom Brady plays against the Eagles. Who am I supposed to root against more?

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:41:00pm

re: #39 The Pie Overlord!

PROJECTIN’ LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE… SPACE… SPAAAAAACE!!!

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As a few of you noted before, the whole point is to collect lib tears; can’t do that in Parler or gettr (though I assume he’s trying to get them over to his new site once it’s operational).

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:42:20pm

Just north of Austin:

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mmmirele  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:44:18pm

re: #22 Sherlock Hound

Maybe Mailer’s work can enter the public domain and be published on Gutenberg or the Internet Archive. The famous editor of Astounding, John Campbell, was published this way: His collected editorials are on Gutenberg.

Sadly, I have never been able to read more than a few pages of Campbell. Even in his time, he was hard, hard, HARD right, never mind today. The editorials of Readers Digest, and the Manchester Union-Leader on roids. Heavy roids, with rage included!

John Campbell wasn’t much of an editor; he was fucking CREDULOUS and gave us Dianetics and L. Ron Hubbard in 1950. The Wikipedia gives us a LOT of information, including this bit:

Campbell had been one of Hubbard’s early test subjects and believed that Hubbard’s techniques had cured his persistent sinusitis, so he was an enthusiastic supporter. In a letter to one of Astounding’s contributors, Jack Williamson, he wrote: “I know dianetics is one of, if not the greatest, discovery of all Man’s written and unwritten history. It produces the sort of stability and sanity men have dreamed about for centuries.”

en.wikipedia.org

We’re still dealing with that mess, 71 years later. *scowl*

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No Malarkey!  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:44:52pm

A former coworker’s adult daughter is on her way to the ER with Covid. My former coworker posted a meme a few months ago that she was far more worried about losing her rights than she was about Covid. Today I expect her worries are dramatically reversed.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:46:54pm

re: #44 No Malarkey!

losing her rights

That’s definitely a sign that someone has been dripping poison into her ear.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:47:20pm

I say that because I’ve heard the same phrase from my oldest daughter, sad to say.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:48:59pm

Gríma Wormtongue was a character in a major movie, and people still don’t get it.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:49:45pm
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No Malarkey!  Jan 3, 2022 • 7:50:27pm

re: #46 jaunte

I say that because I’ve heard the same phrase from my oldest daughter, sad to say.

Its a meme I saw more than once on Facebook. When she posted it, I posted that I hoped she was vaccinated, and she didn’t respond. Her daughter is a nurse; I don’t know if she is vaccinated or not.

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Captain Magic  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:03:04pm

re: #44 No Malarkey!

A former coworker’s adult daughter is on her way to the ER with Covid.

That’s the trick I learned up here: if you need to go to ER, come in via an ambulance and you go right to the top of the queue. Walk in to an ER and wait, wait and wait…

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A Cranky One  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:08:29pm

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mmmirele  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:10:43pm

re: #50 Captain Magic

That’s the trick I learned up here: if you need to go to ER, come in via an ambulance and you go right to the top of the queue. Walk in to an ER and wait, wait and wait…

Yeah, I learned that when I went through a period of not dealing at all with my gastric issues. I ended up in the ER twice. The first time I walked in, the second I called an ambulance. I got seen faster from the ambulance ride. Both times it was acid reflux. But I can tell you why people drive themselves over to the ER if they can—because the cost of an ambulance ride is completely out of this world. At the beginning of 2021, the statutory cost of an ambulance ride in Maricopa County was $997.05. Don’t get sick up in the high country or you might end up paying twice that.

ETA: my mom lives less than 2 miles from the local ER and the heart hospital. He is going to bundle her up into the car and drive her over and not call an ambulance for a $1,000 ride, because there ain’t nobody who can afford that.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:11:06pm

re: #51 A Cranky One

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Pete would probably agree.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:13:56pm

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Mattand  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:18:24pm

Update to the Great South Jersey COVID watch:

So just found out about 35 minutes ago the middle niece does have COVID. She’s a teen and has had at least two shots, so she should be okay. My sister says the virus is behaving like a bad cold, so fingers crossed. The niece picked it up from someone she was hanging out with on NYE.

Unfortunately, that leaves four more people in the house who are potential carriers right now. My sister’s a teacher and the BiL works for a major delivery company, so there’s that headache as well.

So goddamned thankful that my siblings aren’t MAGAts and/or vax deniers.

As for us: we weren’t wearing N95s, but we were wearing masks with filters. Never say never, but hopefully we can dodge this bullet again. Shit, this could be my third near miss in two weeks.

I most likely will have to cancel my morning dentist appointment.

Absolutely frightening how quickly Omi is spreading.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:18:25pm

re: #52 mmmirele

The last ambulance ride I took was just a few blocks. The crew that picked me up weren’t particularly urgent about anything because I was bleeding out internally from a burst spleen and nothing showed, but I was pretty woozy. They actually asked me if I wanted them to turn the siren on, like I was the person to make that call. I figured the hospital was just a few blocks, so yeah, never mind, we’ll go in silence, and stop for the lights.
I don’t recall the cost, but I guess that ambulance ride and my blood pressure jumped me to the front of the line.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:22:55pm

re: #43 mmmirele

John Campbell wasn’t much of an editor; he was fucking CREDULOUS and gave us Dianetics and L. Ron Hubbard in 1950. The Wikipedia gives us a LOT of information, including this bit:

en.wikipedia.org

We’re still dealing with that mess, 71 years later. *scowl*

Later on, the magazine, known as Analog, would run with Hoagland’s Face on Mars thing. They even ran someone’s article on astrological weather. I am NOT joking. Astrological weather.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:23:51pm

I’m leaving out the Dean Drive.
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Mattand  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:24:20pm

re: #56 jaunte

The last ambulance ride I took was just a few blocks. The crew that picked me up weren’t particularly urgent about anything because I was bleeding out internally from a burst spleen and nothing showed, but I was pretty woozy. They actually asked me if I wanted them to turn the siren on, like I was the person to make that call. I figured the hospital was just a few blocks, so yeah, never mind, we’ll go in silence, and stop for the lights.
I don’t recall the cost, but I guess that ambulance ride and my blood pressure jumped me to the front of the line.

I’ve had two ambulance rides in my life. Both times it was because my back went out and I could barely stand, let alone walk.

I forget what the last one was, but the first one was just over 17 years ago. Cost me $500 ($711 in 2022) to go 6 miles/25 minutes.

Moral of the story: maintain perfect health and never get sick. Ever.

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Captain Magic  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:25:42pm

re: #52 mmmirele

At the beginning of 2021, the statutory cost of an ambulance ride in Maricopa County was $997.05.

Non-Medicare ride is $750 - Medicare is much cheaper ($400).

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Mattand  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:29:44pm

re: #52 mmmirele

Yeah, I learned that when I went through a period of not dealing at all with my gastric issues. I ended up in the ER twice. The first time I walked in, the second I called an ambulance. I got seen faster from the ambulance ride. Both times it was acid reflux. But I can tell you why people drive themselves over to the ER if they can—because the cost of an ambulance ride is completely out of this world. At the beginning of 2021, the statutory cost of an ambulance ride in Maricopa County was $997.05. Don’t get sick up in the high country or you might end up paying twice that.

ETA: my mom lives less than 2 miles from the local ER and the heart hospital. He is going to bundle her up into the car and drive her over and not call an ambulance for a $1,000 ride, because there ain’t nobody who can afford that.

Jesus Christ, can you imagine telling someone from Canada or Europe that Americans sometimes actively avoid calling an ambulance because it’s too expensive?

We just okayed a nearly $800 billion military budget, but people are driving themselves to the hospital because ambulances are a luxury.

Fuck this country’s for-profit health care system.

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retired cynic  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:30:21pm

My last ride was for sepsis, and Medicare and the Medicare Supplement paid for it. And yep, I went straight in. Fortunately it was in 2019, so not involved with covid hysteria. Unfortunately, they were building on to the hospital, and were under-roomed and under-staffed. It made the week I was there really more unpleasant than it already was.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:40:16pm

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austin_blue  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:48:20pm

re: #5 ipsos

And yesterday was his birthday, or at least the date he claimed, since there were no records from Russia. He’d have turned 102.

When Isaac died, Kurt Vonnegut, at his memorial service said, “Isaac is up in Heaven, now.”

He thought it was hilarious. So did the audience.

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immigrant  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:51:39pm

re: #61 Mattand

Welp, I almost never post here, so here’s a thing:

We have the grandfathered-in Plan F Medicare coverage, because we can. That means that we have no fear of any cost to us when we access health care. Quite literally, if anything medical happens, no worries, no copay.

That is how it should be, for everyone.

Ahem, I was brought up on the NHS (UK), where everyone gets this class of treatment.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:52:54pm

Keep your ravens well insulated.

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austin_blue  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:57:03pm

And I’ve got an interview with my Health Service Provider Home Visitor tomorrow. An annual visit because they want to see if we have been poked and stroked to keep their costs down. It’s not that I don’t like the concept, it’s just that they have my med records, and I don’t know what else they want. I’ll be sure to ask at the interviewer tomorrow, and if I make her extremely uncomfortable, I will be extremely happy.

Night all, sleep well.

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Captain Magic  Jan 3, 2022 • 8:59:17pm

re: #67 austin_blue

And I’ve got an interview with my Health Service Provider Home Visitor tomorrow. An annual visit because they want to see if we have been poked and stroked to keep their costs down.

I’ve never heard of such a thing for commercial health insurance.

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Captain Magic  Jan 3, 2022 • 9:17:24pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Jan 3, 2022 • 9:31:17pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Jan 3, 2022 • 9:45:37pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2022 • 10:26:32pm

re: #71 Dread Pirate Ron

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It remains my belief that the presence of an unruly mob outside the Capital Building was always part of the original plan but storming the castle was not.

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Mattand  Jan 3, 2022 • 10:29:31pm

re: #65 immigrant

Welp, I almost never post here, so here’s a thing:

We have the grandfathered-in Plan F Medicare coverage, because we can. That means that we have no fear of any cost to us when we access health care. Quite literally, if anything medical happens, no worries, no copay.

That is how it should be, for everyone.

Ahem, I was brought up on the NHS (UK), where everyone gets this class of treatment.

Hang on it to as long as you can, and hopefully you’ll never need it.

On the This Week in Tech podcast, there’s a UK-born panelist who pops up time-to-time. For whatever reason, the subject one time turned to Breaking Bad and Walt’s main motivation for turning to drug dealing: to provide for his family as his cancer treatments are bankrupting him.

This guy says that in England (and I’m guessing the rest of Europe as well as Canada), people do not understand the premise. They can’t wrap their heads around the concept of a health system that could destroy you financially if you get sick. It’s just not a thing.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Jan 3, 2022 • 10:43:44pm

re: #71 Dread Pirate Ron

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If it ever happens, I’d love to go laugh my ass off at a Peter Navarro perp walk. I really hate that guy.

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2022 • 10:55:23pm

re: #38 jaunte

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If that mob had truly taken Senators and House members hostage, if they had the VP, if their plan went the way the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and III’ers expected… you can bet those who stormed the castle would have all been killed.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 3, 2022 • 11:06:20pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

It remains my belief that the presence of an unruly mob outside the Capital Building was always part of the original plan but storming the castle was not.

They knew that Pence was not going to cooperate with their plan; perhaps they decided that additional action was needed to delay the certification and give the leaders of the coup time to enact their full plot to overthrow the government.

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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2022 • 11:19:44pm

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

They knew that Pence was not going to cooperate with their plan; perhaps they decided that additional action was needed to delay the certification and give the leaders of the coup time to enact their full plot to overthrow the government.

Everything we’ve seen so far indicates that the central conspirators intended to work within the boundaries of the law, even if they were twisting it into such a pretzel that no self-respecting lawyer would have been willing to argue it before a court. Orchestrating a lynch mob seems to be have been more Trump’s doing, and the rest went along with it until it became apparent that it was doing more damage to their efforts than any possible good.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jan 3, 2022 • 11:26:16pm

So, for a 7% chance of rain today we’ve had a quarter inch of rain over the last 6 hours, and yesterday’s sunny 60F forecast for Tuesday is now a 24% chance of rain and mostly cloudy. 14.86” of rain so far in the season, “normal” is 17.40”. February and March are our rainy period.

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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2022 • 11:54:01pm

USA! USA! USA!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 3, 2022 • 11:55:11pm

re: #79 Targetpractice

If that trend continues, we should be at ~2 million new cases/day by Friday.

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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2022 • 11:58:21pm

re: #80 Dr Lizardo

If that trend continues, we should be at ~2 million new cases/day by Friday.

Yeah, but look on the bright side: Many of them will go to their graves believing that they pissed off numerous liberals for their proud stance…of attending large gathering during the holidays without a vaccination or a mask.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jan 4, 2022 • 12:01:34am

We’re The GOAT!

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jan 4, 2022 • 12:05:24am

They are so fucking insane. Can we bring back involuntary committals?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 4, 2022 • 12:24:22am

re: #83 Dread Pirate Ron

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They are so fucking insane. Can we bring back involuntary committals?

They aren’t insane (except maybe Gosar); they are just outright evil. This is the same playbook as the persecution of Clinton from the day he took office (Travelgate? Vince Foster’s death? etc) and the Benghazi circus. They have a playbook that they follow whenever a Democrat gets elected. It’s been a long time since the GOP was interested in governing and cooperating with Democrats for the good of the country as a whole.

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sagehen  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:01:44am

Ritchie Boys, a secret U.S. WWII unit bolstered by German-born Jews | 60 Minutes Extended Stories

Jan 3, 2022 • The Ritchie Boys were responsible for gathering more than half the actionable intelligence on the battlefield during World War II. For the many German-born Jews in their ranks, defeating the Nazis was heartbreakingly personal. Jon Wertheim reports.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:14:07am

re: #29 jaunte

Science fiction is a great place for conservative libertarians, where just imagining ones innate superiority is enough to solve most problems.

…and creating perfectly imagined worlds free of the nasty nuances that make our real-life world so complex.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:15:52am

re: #37 Patricia Kayden

People like Drudge and Breitbart were quick to pick up on how one need only float a story on the Internet long enough for it to be picked up by the MSM as treated as if it had some validity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:19:24am

re: #72 Targetpractice

It remains my belief that the presence of an unruly mob outside the Capital Building was always part of the original plan but storming the castle was not.

I also think they had counted on a stronger Antifa presence to make it look more “balanced”.

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Targetpractice  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:21:28am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…and creating perfectly imagined worlds free of the nasty nuances that make our real-life world so complex.

Gene Roddenberry, there is a call on the white courtesy phone. Gene Roddenberry, white courtesy phone.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:23:00am

re: #85 sagehen

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Jan 3, 2022 • The Ritchie Boys were responsible for gathering more than half the actionable intelligence on the battlefield during World War II. For the many German-born Jews in their ranks, defeating the Nazis was heartbreakingly personal. Jon Wertheim reports.

Camp Confidential on Netflix pursues a similar theme and story

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Captain Magic  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:23:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:25:15am

re: #89 Targetpractice

Gene Roddenberry, there is a call on the white courtesy phone. Gene Roddenberry, white courtesy phone.

He created a world in which beings of all races and species co-operate towards a common goal while still maintaining their identity and individuality. That was a noble ideal and one of the underlying things that made his stories and characters endure.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:32:08am

re: #91 Captain Magic

I’ve paid far less for front-row seats to see Iron Maiden, AC/DC and ZZ Top.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:36:16am

re: #91 Captain Magic

Joel Osteen charges between $106 - $3500 per ticket. REALLY? That’s not a church, it’s a performance venue.

He should be treated like a for-profit business if he continues with this model.

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Targetpractice  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:38:28am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He created a world in which beings of all races and species co-operate towards a common goal while still maintaining their identity and individuality. That was a noble ideal and of of the underlying things that made his stories and characters endure.

It is a noble ideal. It just makes for poor story-telling unless your story is either about how that ideal is unrealistic or highlighting the perils that occur when persons/races fail to live up to it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:39:53am

re: #95 Targetpractice

It is a noble ideal. It just makes for poor story-telling unless your story is either about how that ideal is unrealistic or highlighting the perils that occur when persons/races fail to live up to it.

There were plenty of examples of that as well.

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Captain Magic  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:41:47am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Captain Magic  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:49:15am
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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:50:03am

re: #72 Targetpractice

It remains my belief that the presence of an unruly mob outside the Capital Building was always part of the original plan but storming the castle was not.

Storming the castle was always part of the Proud Boys’ and Oathkeepers’ plan. And Trump watched them execute it for hours on tv without intervening.

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Targetpractice  Jan 4, 2022 • 1:53:30am

re: #96 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There were plenty of examples of that as well.

I’d argue that the bulk of ST’s famous episodes over the series have either been about the conflict between the ideal and the reality of meeting races and galactic powers or of Starfleet officers failing to live up to it. The writers on TNG actually had a term for trying to write drama while working within the constraints of his vision of what future humanity would be: “The Roddenberry Box.” He’d take you aside and tell you that Earth was a paradise, that all conflict had been resolved, nobody wanted for basic needs, and that all those “petty” impulses that we’d once devoted ourselves to were gone. Then he’d tell you to go write drama.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 2:00:25am

re: #100 Targetpractice

I’d argue that the bulk of ST’s famous episodes over the series have either been about the conflict between the ideal and the reality of meeting races and galactic powers or of Starfleet officers failing to live up to it. The writers on TNG actually had a term for trying to write drama while working within the constraints of his vision of what future humanity would be: “The Roddenberry Box.” He’d take you aside and tell you that Earth was a paradise, that all conflict had been resolved, nobody wanted for basic needs, and that all those “petty” impulses that we’d once devoted ourselves to were gone. Then he’d tell you to go write drama.

Which is why Star Trek was set entirely in space where the crew met new aliens every week to have conflict with. I can’t think of any episodes of the original series set on Earth.*

*Except when they time traveled into the past where conflict did exist.

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sagehen  Jan 4, 2022 • 2:08:06am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 2:36:15am

re: #101 No Malarkey!

Which is why Star Trek was set entirely in space where the crew met new aliens every week to have conflict with. I can’t think of any episodes of the original series set on Earth.*

*Except when they time traveled into the past where conflict did exist.

**which they did when they ran out of wardrobe budget and had to make use of existing stocks of gangster, Cowboy, WW2 or Greco-Roman costuming.

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sagehen  Jan 4, 2022 • 2:45:32am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

**which they did when they ran out of wardrobe budget and had to make use of existing stocks of gangster (A Piece of the Action), Cowboy, WW2 (City on the Edge of Forever) or Greco-Roman costuming.

Can’t think of cowboy or greco-roman eps off the top of my head…

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Jan 4, 2022 • 2:48:09am

re: #104 sagehen

Can’t think of cowboy or greco-roman eps off the top of my head…

“Spectre of the Gun” and “Bread and Circuses”

Neither of these were on Earth though. The former was basically a hallucination, the second was a planet that had a parallel development and it’s Roman Empire never fell and didn’t see the rise of Christianity until the 20th century.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 2:48:29am

re: #104 sagehen

Can’t think of cowboy or greco-roman eps off the top of my head…

Spectre of the Gun S3 E6

Who Mourns for Adonis? S2 E2

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 2:49:24am

re: #105 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

“Spectre of the Gun” and “Bread and Circuses”

Neither of these were on Earth though. The former was basically a hallucination, the second was a planet that had a parallel development and it’s Roman Empire never fell and didn’t see the rise of Christianity until the 20th century.

Point was, why spend money on alien outfits when they have warehouses full of perfectly good pinstripe suits and cowboy hats?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 4, 2022 • 2:53:11am

re: #38 jaunte

Imagine January 6th had any, ANY lefties shown up. That group under Rosen would have killed anyone they thought was BLM, antifa, etc. That was the game plan. Then instill Martial law. Then Hitler Trump for life.

Jesus Christ that article was honestly terrifying.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:01:11am

re: #108 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Imagine January 6th had any, ANY lefties shown up. That group under Rosen would have killed anyone they thought was BLM, antifa, etc. That was the game plan. Then instill Martial law. Then Hitler Trump for life.

Jesus Christ that article was honestly terrifying.

Even then, they tried to pin it on Antifa and BLM and the Deep State.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:07:30am

re: #108 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Imagine January 6th had any, ANY lefties shown up. That group under Rosen would have killed anyone they thought was BLM, antifa, etc. That was the game plan. Then instill Martial law. Then Hitler Trump for life.

Jesus Christ that article was honestly terrifying.

Yes, the absence of any lefties really made it difficult to pull out the “good people on both sides” argument. Otherwise we would have had a real Reich Stag Party…

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:13:23am

Morning Lizardim from the mild post-holiday wild north country. I am once again seated at my desk in my home office, ready and waiting for today’s fresh hell and to catch up on all the stuff that happened while I was out on vacation. How go things among the lizardfolk on this mild winter Tuesday?

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Captain Magic  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:22:26am

re: #111 Dopamine Fish

How go things among the lizardfolk on this mild winter Tuesday?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:37:40am

Mild and rainy on the Rhine. Supposed to get to more “seasonable” weather (cold and rainy) by next week.

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Varek Raith  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:38:46am

Good morning.
I-95 in Northern Virginia is backed up for 48 miles. Some have been stuck there 16 hours.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:40:39am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Point was, why spend money on alien outfits when they have warehouses full of perfectly good pinstripe suits and cowboy hats?

The two time travel to Earth episodes I can remember, and I’m not going to look up the names of the episodes, was the one with Joan Collins set in Depression era America, and the one involving a then contemporary space launch where they encounter an alien and in which Teri Garr appeared. That episode was supposed to set up a new series that was never made.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:41:42am

re: #114 Varek Raith

Good morning.
I-95 in Northern Virginia is backed up for 48 miles. Some have been stuck there 16 hours.

Its gotten cold here in Kentucky, in the twenties again, but no bad weather.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:41:45am

re: #115 No Malarkey!

The two time travel to Earth episodes I can remember, and I’m not going to look up the names of the episodes, was the one with Joan Collins set in Depression era America, and the one involving a then contemporary space launch where they encounter an alien and in which Teri Garr appeared. That episode was supposed to set up a new series that was never made.

“The City on the Edge of Forever” and “Assignment: Earth”, respectively.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:43:30am

re: #115 No Malarkey!

The two time travel to Earth episodes I can remember, and I’m not going to look up the names of the episodes, was the one with Joan Collins set in Depression era America, and the one involving a then contemporary space launch where they encounter an alien and in which Teri Garr appeared. That episode was supposed to set up a new series that was never made.

and other “alternate Earth” planets/holodeck programs. Plus TNG had a two-part episode set in ca. 1900 San Francisco, several set in a fictional early 1900’s Irish town, a return to 1990’s California (how convenient) some set in a parallel-history WW2 and subplots involving Victorian England and the US Civil War, and of course Whorf as a very un-merry Merry Man.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:44:17am

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #116 No Malarkey!

The high here is supposed to be right around freezing, but at this time of the year, that means only one thing: Snow. Supposed to be 1-3 inches starting tonight after 6:00 PM CST.

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William Lewis  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:44:53am

re: #111 Dopamine Fish

Morning Lizardim from the mild post-holiday wild north country. I am once again seated at my desk in my home office, ready and waiting for today’s fresh hell and to catch up on all the stuff that happened while I was out on vacation. How go things among the lizardfolk on this mild winter Tuesday?

Looking forward to getting home and being warm today ;) and snoozing comfortably as a result.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:47:35am

Oh, and of course, the Vikings lost this weekend, which is always glorious. :D

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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:53:44am

re: #121 Dopamine Fish

Oh, and of course, the Vikings lost this weekend, which is always glorious. :D

Their dumb, unvaccinated QB, Kirk Cousins, was sidelined by Covid.

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William Lewis  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:54:04am

re: #121 Dopamine Fish

Oh, and of course, the Vikings lost this weekend, which is always glorious. :D

Cowboys did too which is even better.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:56:57am

re: #122 No Malarkey!

Their dumb, unvaccinated QB, Kirk Cousins, was sidelined by Covid.

Yet another in a long line of reasons why I hate the Vikings and actively root for their defeat every time they take the field.

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The Squire of Logos  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:57:23am

I enjoyed reading the Star Trek ‘geek-out’ this morning. If you haven’t seen it, I heartily recommend “What We Left Behind” the documentary about the making of Deep Space Nine. It gives a pretty good idea of the trials and tribble-ations (see what I did there??) of making a TV show. I have it on Blu-ray but I seem to remember it being on Amazon Prime as well (if you have Amazon Prime).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:58:00am

re: #123 William Lewis

Cowboys did too which is even better.

I used to be a Vikings fan back in the days of Fran Tarkenton …

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Decatur Deb  Jan 4, 2022 • 3:59:25am

re: #116 No Malarkey!

Its gotten cold here in Kentucky, in the twenties again, but no bad weather.

Twenties is bad weather, y’all.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:00:14am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

Twenties is bad weather, y’all.

Positive twenties or negative?

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Varek Raith  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:00:32am

re: #128 Dopamine Fish

Positive twenties or negative?

First one, then the other!

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sagehen  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:01:08am

re: #128 Dopamine Fish

Positive twenties or negative?

Centigrade, Fahrenheit or Kelvin?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:01:14am

re: #128 Dopamine Fish

Positive twenties or negative?

Any twenties.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:01:54am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

Twenties is bad weather, y’all.

I find it better than 33° and raining…

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:02:00am

re: #129 Varek Raith

First one, then the other!

Tends to be how things go up this way. In fact, we did swing that far, all the way from a low of -22 °F (-28.9 C) on Saturday night, to today’s high of 31 °F (close enough to 0 C).

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Varek Raith  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:02:17am

re: #130 sagehen

Centigrade, Fahrenheit or Kelvin?

Warm, cold and dead.

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Varek Raith  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:03:16am

re: #133 Dopamine Fish

Tends to be how things go up this way. In fact, we did swing that far, all the way from a low of -22 °F (-28.9 C) on Saturday night, to today’s high of 31 °F (close enough to 0 C).

Sunday was in the mid sixties.
Monday we got 10.5 inches of snow.
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Decatur Deb  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:03:39am

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I find it better than 33° and raining…

You don’t have a bunch of buckets of tomato and basil plants hunkered down in your kitchen.

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William Lewis  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:03:40am

re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I used to be a Vikings fan back in the days of Fran Tarkenton …

They were worth following then. It was always a pity he could never get them over the top to a SB win.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:03:50am

re: #135 Varek Raith

Sunday was in the mid sixties.
Monday we got 10.5 inches of snow.
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

that is fuckin’ cray-zeeee

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Varek Raith  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:06:25am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that is fuckin’ cray-zeeee

Powerful cold front turned into a coastal storm off Va.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:09:34am

The plan was to deploy the new cover for the grow tunnel a couple days ago, but the last front gave us a day of 30-50 mph winds. The row of planted containers is hardy stuff—cabbage and broccoli, so it can take this morning’s low—31 degrees. That’s the season low so far. We need a few days below freezing to chill the pear trees.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:10:49am

And it’s a yellow-gray first light out there. in an hour I’ll have to open the bubble-wrap tower that protects the lemon tree. The lime tree is still small enough to roll in and out of the garage.

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jeffreyw  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:16:42am

Good morning!

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Decatur Deb  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:23:51am

re: #142 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

I’m biting the bullet and transitioning to digital. That included catching a couple long second-tier lenses for a Canon. To test the 400mm, I followed a neighbor’s dead pine to the top. At around the 70’ height I found a half-dozen nest-sized holes. Over the last week I’ve been watching a female Red-headed working from there each evening.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:26:16am

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

Didn’t Pence call Quayle for guidance? I’m not so sure that Pence wouldn’t have gone along with the plan if Quayle had given him the green light.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:29:16am

re: #144 Patricia Kayden

Didn’t Pence call Quayle for guidance? I’m not so sure that Pence wouldn’t have gone along with the plan if Quayle had given him the green light.

When the books are written, Dan Quayle goes in as “Savior of the Nation”. And it will only be spelled “potatoe” thereafter.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:29:39am

re: #144 Patricia Kayden

Didn’t Pence call Quayle for guidance? I’m not so sure that Pence wouldn’t have gone along with the plan if Quayle had given him the green light.

Fortunately he didn’t. I was never a big fan of Quayle, but at least he isn’t a fascist.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:39:28am

Now THIS is bad weather!

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:39:51am

I always wondered who these freaks were.

Igor Bogdanoff, the French TV star known for his eccentric personality and appearance, has died at 72.

The television presenter passed away just days after his identical twin, Grichka. The brothers are both reported to have succumbed to COVID-19.

“In peace and love, surrounded by his children and his family, Igor Bogdanoff left for the light on Monday January 3, 2022,” says a statement released by Bogdanoff’s family via his agent, the Sun reported. He is survived by his ex-wife, the writer Amélie de Bourbon-Parme, and their six children.

Grichka was reportedly hospitalized on Dec. 18 after falling ill with the novel coronavirus. He passed away Dec. 28.

nypost.com

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Varek Raith  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:43:57am

re: #147 No Malarkey!

Now THIS is bad weather!

nbcwashington.com

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steve_davis  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:49:15am

re: #115 No Malarkey!

The two time travel to Earth episodes I can remember, and I’m not going to look up the names of the episodes, was the one with Joan Collins set in Depression era America, and the one involving a then contemporary space launch where they encounter an alien and in which Teri Garr appeared. That episode was supposed to set up a new series that was never made.

well, it was basically a successful screen test for Teri Garr who wound up in McCloud, so it sort of worked.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 4:54:49am

Oh yes, and DS9 episode where they crash-land on Area 51,,,

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:01:40am

Down to 41F here. Now, that may not sound like cold to many of you back in snow country, but for out here where housing typically has little insulation and living quarters have big single-pane glass windows… 40F is cold.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:02:45am

re: #152 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Down to 41F here. Now, that may not sound like cold to many of you back in snow country, but for out here where housing typically has little insulation and living quarters have big single-pane glass windows… 40F is cold.

Like an awful lot of the UK…

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William Lewis  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:03:19am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Oh yes, and DS9 episode where they crash-land on Area 51,,,

I really enjoyed the Enterprise episode “Carbon Creek”. Not a time travel episode as such, instead it told of a Vulcan crew stranded on Earth in 1957.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:04:47am

Started on Cobra Kai yesterday with the missus. I think we watched 5 or 6 episodes from late afternoon through dinner. Cute show.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:08:26am

Yup.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:09:35am

It is cold in Philly this morning.
weather.gov

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Wile E. Wonka  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:27:25am

re: #115 No Malarkey!

The two time travel to Earth episodes I can remember, and I’m not going to look up the names of the episodes, was the one with Joan Collins set in Depression era America, and the one involving a then contemporary space launch where they encounter an alien and in which Teri Garr appeared. That episode was supposed to set up a new series that was never made.

“City on the Edge of Forever” (written famously by Harlan Ellison, who actually published his original script, with grumpy annotations, in a fit of pique at Roddenberry’s gall in having dared to edit the thing), and “Assignment: Earth” respectively. Teri Garr has nothing good to say about her guest appearance there, and wishes people would quit asking her about it.

There was another — “Tomorrow Is Yesterday” — where they get thrown back in time and accidentally show up on 1960s USAF radar. Fighter pilot sees an undeniable UFO, and the Fearless Crew has to beam down and “fix the timeline” so they can get home. It was the first Dorothy Fontana script for the series that she got full credit for.

But yeah, Roddenberry (a veteran of westerns) had pitched the show to Paramount as a “wagon train in space” schtick, and sold it in part with the line that they could reuse stock sets and costumes by having a Roman world, a Western world, a 20C office-block world, a gangster world, etc. Plus lots of “underground city” worlds where they wouldn’t have to shoot on location… and “ship in a bottle” episodes where they wouldn’t even have to book time on non-core sets at all.

(EDIT: I goofed, Batman was a Fox/ABC production, so M:I was Paramount/NBC’s only big-budget teen drama) After all, Paramount already had two shows going into production aimed at the same audience, with gigantic budgets. _Batman_ would become the most expensive show on television, and _Mission: Impossible_ wasn’t far behind. The Star Trek crew used to raid both of those shows’ dumpsters for props, in fact.

Come to think of it, I wonder how many times Gene had to turn down requests from the executives to do a _Batman_ crossover. Wouldn’t that have been something.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:28:36am

re: #157 PhillyPretzel

It’s cold pretty much everywhere in the lower 48 unless you are in Miami or on an oil platform in the GoM:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:31:18am

It’s warmer in Rapid City South Dakota than it is here in San Diego.

I want to move south.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:33:35am

The latest Sorry antivaxxer is a real peach. Good riddance.

sorryantivaxxer.com

Kelly Emby was a republican who was Orange County Deputy District Attorney who ran a failed campaign for California State Assembly. She was very much against mandates, which to me means anti-vaxxer. I’ve yet to see a VOCAL anti-mandate person who is FOR the COVID vaccines. Plus her husband verified that she wasn’t vaccinated. Another bull-headed conservative who made the wrong choice.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:46:48am

The GFS pretty much nailed the expected lows of this morning:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:50:29am

If you want to know if it’s going to get warm, here’s the GFS temperature predictions for the next 10 days:

Image: gfs-T2m-nhem-fh0-240.gif

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:53:30am

re: #115 No Malarkey!

City on the Edge of Forever. One of the best episodes of ST:TOS and best pieces of sci fi. DC Fontana and Harlan Ellison wrote the script.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2022 • 5:57:45am

Meanwhile, Doctor Who’s latest episode went all Edge of Tomorrow. Closing time loop. Daleks.

Yeah… it was mildly entertaining, but didn’t break any new ground.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:03:25am
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Belafon  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:03:33am
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Belafon  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:04:23am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:05:58am

re: #166 Belafon

Not just schools. In person dining is out. Gyms are closed. Any public venues (theaters, etc.) have further reduced the numbers allowed in. We are on a modified lockdown. Not quite total yet. We will have to see what happens.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:06:21am

re: #161 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

The latest Sorry antivaxxer is a real peach. Good riddance.

sorryantivaxxer.com

On December 4 she attended an antivaxxer, antimask conference, which is probably where she contracted the virus which killed her. A worthy recipient of the Herman Cain Award, having died the same way he did.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:07:27am

I have a question for the room especially anyone who regularly sews. In general which machine is better Brother or Singer. I grew up around my mom who used a Singer.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:08:35am

re: #170 No Malarkey!

On December 4 she attended an antivaxxer, antimask conference, which is probably where she contracted the virus which killed her. A worthy recipient of the Herman Cain Award, having died the same way he did.

And my hopes and prayers that that Turning Point USA event turns into a massive super spreader event. Good riddance to bad rubbish all around.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:10:27am

re: #172 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

And my hopes and prayers that that Turning Point USA event turns into a massive super spreader event. Good riddance to bad rubbish all around.

Except for all the other people they will inadvertently infect along the way. Otherwise I would say “Let’s go Darwin!”

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:11:48am

re: #171 PhillyPretzel

I have a question for the room especially anyone who regularly sews. In general which machine is better Brother or Singer. I grew up around my mom who used a Singer.

Husqvarna!

They are all good. If I was to go out and purchase a new machine, I would buy a Husqvarna, mainly because I am a huge fan of their chainsaws. My mother had a nice old aluminum Singer, that I would help her thread the needle because of “her old eyes.” Looking back, I think it was from one too many Manhattans, but that is ok.

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A Cranky One  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:14:03am

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Dangerman  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:15:16am
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Belafon  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:18:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:18:12am

Germany offers regular testing and home kids are relatively cheap (although they have been hard to find since the Omicron outbreak) but it means that venues can be open to people who are vaxed, recovered or recently tested.

Meanwhile, the Florida SG is still acting like testing is some sort of invasion of privacy…

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:18:32am

re: #176 Dangerman

::: wiping away a tear ::: darn she is great. Even her commercials were great.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:21:44am
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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:24:13am

When the ICU numbers soar, it shows once again that hospitalizations and ER and bed utilization isn’t incidental to covid, but the result of covid being exponentially worse in magnitude than just a few weeks ago.

That fewer are dying on a per capita basis is small comfort for those watching family dying of covid despite vaccinations being widely available. Far too many aren’t vaccinating.

White GOPers are among the least vaccinated. But we have to do better for all folks, since it takes enough people vaccinating to protect the community.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:24:48am

re: #180 Belafon

we’re all trying to find the political party who did this

Democrats, of course. They’re the ones with the messaging problem…

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:25:33am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germany offers regular testing and home kids are relatively cheap (although they have been hard to find since the Omicron outbreak) but it means that venues can be open to people who are vaxed, recovered or recently tested.

Meanwhile, the Florida SG is still acting like testing is some sort of invasion of privacy…

I wonder how long that will last. The new Czech government has quietly begun discussing when they’ll phase out vaccine passports, at least for everyday use. There’s also some pressure on them, as the Constitutional Court here is expected to rule on the use of vaccine passports sometime in the next couple months or so, and the new government reckons they need to have some idea of where to go next if (as expected*), the CC rules against vaccine passports for non-international travel.

* - The Constitutional Court here is pretty libertarian, and prioritizes individual rights over collective rights, a legacy from the Communist era, where there pretty much was no such thing as “individual rights”.

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Dangerman  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:25:58am

re: #159 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s cold pretty much everywhere in the lower 48 unless you are in Miami* or on an oil platform in the GoM:

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* which is why we live just far enough north and west thereof

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:34:35am

re: #183 Dr Lizardo

I wonder how long that will last. The new Czech government has quietly begun discussing when they’ll phase out vaccine passports, at least for everyday use.

Other than some loud and vocal (sometimes violent) fringe groups, there is little widespread opposition to vaccine passports or the “3-G Regel” (I guess we could call it the “VRT Rule”: Vaccinated, Recovered or Tested) for access to most indoor venues except shops for everyday necessities.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:40:36am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Other than some loud and vocal (sometimes violent) fringe groups, there is little widespread opposition to vaccine passports or the “3-G Regel” (I guess we could call it the “VRT Rule”: Vaccinated, Recovered or Tested) for access to most indoor venues except shops for everyday necessities.

Quite a difference between next door neighbors. Here, it is widely and simply ignored.

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Dangerman  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:42:38am

re: #171 PhillyPretzel

I have a question for the room especially anyone who regularly sews. In general which machine is better Brother or Singer. I grew up around my mom who used a Singer.

Fwiw, we have a Singer 66-6 in a cabinet
It was my grandmas
she bought it used in the early 1940s.
Probably manufactured in the 30s
Still works

Danger mom says that’s when she found out grandma knew how to curse

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Dangerman  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:44:02am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germany offers regular testing and home kids are relatively cheap (although they have been hard to find since the Omicron outbreak) but it means that venues can be open to people who are vaxed, recovered or recently tested.

Meanwhile, the Florida SG is still acting like * testing is some sort of invasion of privacy…

*voluntary

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jeffreyw  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:44:29am

re: #171 PhillyPretzel

I have a question for the room especially anyone who regularly sews. In general which machine is better Brother or Singer. I grew up around my mom who used a Singer.

Mrs J has several Brother machines. She never looks for any other brand.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:45:00am

re: #187 Dangerman

Yes. My late mom cursed when she sewed. I thought it was the materials she used but now I think it may have been the machine.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:46:00am

re: #189 jeffreyw

One of your cats seems to like it too. :)

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Teukka  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:46:24am

re: #189 jeffreyw

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Mrs J has several Brother machines. She never looks for any other brand.

Damn that Brother doesn’t market their sewing machines in Europe. I’ve heard lots of good things about them. Singer is a thing here. Mom has a foot cranked one.

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Dangerman  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:46:27am

re: #179 PhillyPretzel

::: wiping away a tear ::: darn she is great. Even her commercials were great.

Like some others we could argue about, she was brilliantly natural, riotous and totally graceful

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Dangerman  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:50:22am

re: #190 PhillyPretzel

Yes. My late mom cursed when she sewed. I thought it was the materials she used but now I think it may have been the machine.

Sewing is not easy

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:52:00am

re: #194 Dangerman

I know. I too have used my late mom’s Singer for a few repairs on my own clothes. If you do not understand how the machine works you are in deep trouble.

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Dangerman  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:52:29am

re: #159 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s cold pretty much everywhere in the lower 48 unless you are in Miami or on an oil platform in the GoM:

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The lower 48 states likely had their hottest December on record, new data shows, with numerous locations in the Central States, South and East breaking previous benchmarks by large margins,” Axios reports.

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mmmirele  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:52:42am

A big “Christian” event geared at college students called “Passion 2022” was held Sunday and yesterday in Atlanta. Apparently there were 65,000 attendees and not even a thought of cancelling this thing due to the pandemic.

*shakes head* Yet another disease vector, heading your way across the USA.

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jeffreyw  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:53:06am

re: #192 Teukka

Damn that Brother doesn’t market their sewing machines in Europe. I’ve heard lots of good things about them. Singer is a thing here. Mom has a foot cranked one.

That’s my Grandmother’s Singer treadle machine just behind the kitties. It’s still functional.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:53:33am
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Teukka  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:55:27am

re: #194 Dangerman

Sewing is not easy

I always thought it was prayers to the deities of sewing to make your work better? /S

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Teukka  Jan 4, 2022 • 6:56:22am

re: #198 jeffreyw

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That’s my Grandmother’s Singer treadle machine just behind the kitties. It’s still functional.

Only thing moms one needs is a new belt.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:04:31am

re: #142 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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jeffreyw  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:04:34am

re: #198 jeffreyw

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That’s my Grandmother’s Singer treadle machine just behind the kitties. It’s still functional.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:05:32am

re: #202 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

That is a beautiful rose.

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Captain Magic  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:07:10am

Found some kitten’s downstate:

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jeffreyw  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:07:13am

re: #201 Teukka

Only thing moms one needs is a new belt.

We bought a new belt for ours, ebay, I think.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:10:32am

re: #203 jeffreyw

That is a better picture and my mom did not have one of those. I think she had what was called a Touch and Sew model. She also had a button holder and a ruffler that worked with her machine.
images.search.yahoo.com

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A Cranky One  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:11:27am

re: #171 PhillyPretzel

I have a question for the room especially anyone who regularly sews. In general which machine is better Brother or Singer. I grew up around my mom who used a Singer.

It depends in part what type of sewing you plan to do.

Here is a set of recommendations.

goodhousekeeping.com

Mrs Cranky has a Janome, a top end (and quite pricey) machine, that she uses to make her quilts).

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:12:48am

re: #171 PhillyPretzel

I have a question for the room especially anyone who regularly sews. In general which machine is better Brother or Singer. I grew up around my mom who used a Singer.

I have a Singer that I bought in 1974. Still works great but I never use any of the fancy attachments that it came with.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:13:54am

re: #205 Captain Magic

Found some kitten’s downstate:

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Those are very cute kitties!! I hope it works out!!

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A Cranky One  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:20:12am

re: #208 A Cranky One

Here is a comforter that she gave the DIL for Christmas. Not her fanciest work, but BEES!

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:21:16am

re: #211 A Cranky One

That is beautiful.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:24:30am

Here is a children’s cartoon from the 1940’s that is not only racist AF but also so progressive that it is practically Communist! Your CRT lesson of the day.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:26:11am

re: #205 Captain Magic

Found some kitten’s downstate:

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Ther’s always Petfinder.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:26:21am

This is my grandmother’s. It is actually functional, but my wife has a Brother that she uses. Thus, it is just decoration. I know that the quilting community my wife used to belong to seemed to favor Brother (wife, of course, hand-stitched everything).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:29:48am

re: #213 The Pie Overlord!

Here is a children’s cartoon from the 1940’s that is not only racist AF but also so progressive that it is practically Communist! Your CRT lesson of the day.

I can accept that a certain things were considered harmless and simply accepted back then, but that does not make them acceptable today.

But it does teach us a lot about the significance of context, like the Jefferson Airplane appearing in blackface on the Smothers Brothers Show, ostensibly in support of the 1968 black Olympic athletes, but nonetheless quite laughable despite the best intentions at the time.

Crown of Creation - Jefferson Airplane

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:30:30am

Thanks to all of you who gave me your opinions on sewing machines. I am thinking of getting one in near future but right now I am still doing research.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:34:52am

re: #217 PhillyPretzel

Thanks to all of you who gave me your opinions on sewing machines. I am thinking of getting one in near future but right now I am still doing research.

If you’re planning to do mostly plain sewing, you’re probably better off getting one made before about 1980 and in good condition. They still made them to last, and used metal instead of plastic.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:38:44am

re: #213 The Pie Overlord!

Yesterday, for some reason, I remembered an old cartoon I saw as a kid, and all I remembered was a cat sayin, “No, no, not____________!” It took me awhile to find what I’d remembered, but here’s an excerpt.

And it made me laugh, almost five decades later…..

Looney Tunes - Cat and Bulldog - Oh no, Not that! Not the…

Mel Blanc was fire doing the voice of the cat. World class voice acting.

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Teukka  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:39:24am

re: #203 jeffreyw

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That’s what mom has, ‘cept only 1 row of drawers on each side.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:39:54am
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Teukka  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:41:19am

Quotes for 2022 (feel free to meme them with virus pics):

“What doesn’t kill you, mutates, and tries again.”
and
“What doesn’t kill you becomes stronger.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:41:37am

re: #221 lawhawk

But I heard from my cousin’s sister’s boyfriend…

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2022 • 7:49:42am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But I heard from my cousin’s sister’s boyfriend…

Yeah, but his balls were swollen so no telling what he was actually thinking.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2022 • 8:05:17am

It does seem like a convenient excuse to spill your guts. I wonder if the US will be able to do a good enough job to keep him from getting poisoned.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 4, 2022 • 8:14:58am

re: #221 lawhawk

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 4, 2022 • 8:19:24am

re: #221 lawhawk

Sure, assholes. Go after Betty White. See how well that works out for you…

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calochortus  Jan 4, 2022 • 8:36:52am

re: #217 PhillyPretzel

Thanks to all of you who gave me your opinions on sewing machines. I am thinking of getting one in near future but right now I am still doing research.

If you’re still looking for advice on that, I’d recommend Brother or Janome. Both make solid machines, but don’t buy anyone’s bottom of the line, designed to sell at a big box store model. Sometimes they’re fine, sometimes not.
Most people recommend buying from a reputable dealer just because if you have a problem, they’ll deal with it. That is more important on a fancy machine since there’s more that can go wrong, but generally is good advice. Also, you can discuss your needs with them and actually try out machines.

The issue with older machines is that if they are electronic the board will die sooner or later and can’t be replaced. Not an issue with mechanical machines, but 40 or 50 year old machines can have wiring issues. That said, I do have Mom’s old Featherweight and it works fine 70 years on.

Depending on what kind of sewing you plan to do, you may not need a lot of different stitches, I rarely go beyond straight, zig-zag, and “stepped” zig-zag (aka mending) stitches. If you want to sew garments, get a good buttonhole stitch. If you want to sew through 3 layers of heavy canvas, you’ll need a machine with the power to do that.
Stitch evenness and quality are important.

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jaunte  Jan 4, 2022 • 8:43:38am

As usual, Abbott’s knee-jerk “fix” to a problem is to lie about it.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2022 • 8:46:05am

re: #229 jaunte

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As usual, Abbott’s knee-jerk “fix” to a problem is to lie about it.

Best case scenario - Texas has a mild winter, the grid holds, and Abbott gets away with the lie.

Worst case, another arctic bubble descends on the midwest, the system crashes, and a shit-ton of Texans freeze to death.

I’ll root for him getting away with it this year.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 4, 2022 • 8:46:14am

re: #229 jaunte

As usual, Abbott’s knee-jerk “fix” to a problem is to lie about it.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2022 • 8:49:19am

re: #228 calochortus

Thanks. I will keep that in mind.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2022 • 8:57:22am

Looks like the Nirvana baby needs to find a new gimmick. Judge dismissed his suit after he missed the deadline of Dec 30 to respond to the band’s motion to dismiss.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 4, 2022 • 8:59:18am

Ugh, the right-wingers are all gloating at the injunction issued by a Texas (where else?) judge, preventing the military from putting deployment holds on unvaccinated soldiers with religious exemptions. The stupid, it burns… more than just me, apparently:

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:08:49am

re: #234 Dopamine Fish

Ugh, the right-wingers are all gloating at the injunction issued by a Texas (where else?) judge, preventing the military from putting deployment holds on unvaccinated soldiers with religious exemptions. The stupid, it burns… more than just me, apparently:

[Embedded content]

Then the Marines can process them out.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:10:33am

re: #235 Belafon

Then the Marines can process them out.

I think my favorite part of the short thread that Mike has on this completely wrongheaded ruling is this: Apparently, the judge has unilaterally decided that he knows better than the military when it comes to what constitutes deployment readiness, a subject that courts have traditionally shied away from touching due to a doctrine known as “substantial deference”.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:14:18am
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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:17:11am

BTW, NYC DOE is reporting about 30% of teachers are out sick. Similarly, about that many students are out sick.

That’s a far higher number than normal. What’s the breaking point? Might come down to individual schools or districts. So far, Mayor Adams has no plan to address possible going remote for a period of time here.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:19:24am

re: #238 lawhawk

Philly has a similar problem too.
whyy.org

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:22:05am

re: #203 jeffreyw

That is gorgeous

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Mike Lamb  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:22:44am

re: #237 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind Biden gets impeached with a quickness if the House changes hands. None. McConnell might try to talk them out of it, but the crazies will be running the House.

Other things I’d expect to happen: Rep. Omar, if not the entire Squad, will be removed from committee assignments. There will be a large number of “select” committees, after the GOP refuse to seat Democrats on a number of the committees pursuing sham investigations. The number of crazy people testifying in Congress will be eleventy billion. A report will be issued stating COVID originated in a lab. Some kind of report will come out stating Trump did everything right with respect to COVID (the number of Trump hagiographies will be sickening). Insane amounts of money will be spent on “audits” similar to the freakshow from AZ. Bills will pass the House making it illegal for Biden to impose vaccine mandates. A non-binding resolution in praise of Ashli Babbit.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:23:40am

re: #236 Dopamine Fish

I think my favorite part of the short thread that Mike has on this completely wrongheaded ruling is this: Apparently, the judge has unilaterally decided that he knows better than the military when it comes to what constitutes deployment readiness, a subject that courts have traditionally shied away from touching due to a doctrine known as “substantial deference”.

The courts also use to defer to the President on issues of foreign relations, but now they are telling the President how to conduct foreign policy.

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jaunte  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:27:41am

re: #242 No Malarkey!

Our neo-royalist faction are divinely inspired to be experts in every topic.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:27:46am

re: #238 lawhawk

BTW, NYC DOE is reporting about 30% of teachers are out sick. Similarly, about that many students are out sick.

[Embedded content]

That’s a far higher number than normal. What’s the breaking point? Might come down to individual schools or districts. So far, Mayor Adams has no plan to address possible going remote for a period of time here.

But Marines are exempt from vaccines because the virus will be scared of them.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:28:24am

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A Cranky One  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:30:05am

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:33:17am

At least we’re heading towards a cyberpunk future:

Philip O’Keefe, who has amyotrophic lateral sclerosis-induced paralysis, used a brain implant developed by Australian brain computer interface (BCI) company Synchron to convert his thoughts into tweets. “I just think about where on the computer I want to click, and I can email, bank, shop, and now message the world via Twitter,” O’Keefe said. Last year he received the Stentrode BCI, a stent-mounted electrode array implanted through the jugular. Synchron claims his initial tweets represent the first time someone has written texts on social media via a BCI. Synchron CEO Thomas Oxley said, “They highlight the connection, hope, and freedom that BCIs give to people like Phil who have had so much of their functional independence taken away due to debilitating paralysis.”

orange.hosting.lsoft.com;

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:33:26am

re: #241 Mike Lamb

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind Biden gets impeached with a quickness if the House changes hands. None. McConnell might try to talk them out of it, but the crazies will be running the House.

Other things I’d expect to happen: Rep. Omar, if not the entire Squad, will be removed from committee assignments. There will be a large number of “select” committees, after the GOP refuse to seat Democrats on a number of the committees pursuing sham investigations. The number of crazy people testifying in Congress will be eleventy billion. A report will be issued stating COVID originated in a lab. Some kind of report will come out stating Trump did everything right with respect to COVID (the number of Trump hagiographies will be sickening). Insane amounts of money will be spent on “audits” similar to the freakshow from AZ. Bills will pass the House making it illegal for Biden to impose vaccine mandates. A non-binding resolution in praise of Ashli Babbit.

In other words, they’ll make a lot of noise and do nothing of consequence for two years, which might be the best we can expect from the repugs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:34:41am

re: #234 Dopamine Fish

Ugh, the right-wingers are all gloating at the injunction issued by a Texas (where else?) judge, preventing the military from putting deployment holds on unvaccinated soldiers with religious exemptions. The stupid, it burns… more than just me, apparently:

Umm, how exactly can a state impose anything on Federal Armed Forces?

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Teukka  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:41:11am

re: #249 Teukka

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Where I am and where I’m from, there would’ve been a direct military response to what happened in DC on the 6th, with quite expectable results given what type of units would be used.
Also, where I live and where I’m from any service members partaking in the coup attempt would face treason or even high treason charges for their effort, as the service oath is very specific about such things.
And where I’m from, treason and high treason were among the last crimes for which the death penalty could be used in wartime (it was removed in 1984 there if memory serves me right).
It triggers some to no end when I explain that what some service members did on the 6th would lead to charges almost invariably leading to imprisonment for life where I live and where I’m from. And that under the laws here, it is treason and/or high treason.

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retired cynic  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:42:07am

re: #65 immigrant

Welp, I almost never post here, so here’s a thing:

We have the grandfathered-in Plan F Medicare coverage, because we can. That means that we have no fear of any cost to us when we access health care. Quite literally, if anything medical happens, no worries, no copay.

That is how it should be, for everyone.

Ahem, I was brought up on the NHS (UK), where everyone gets this class of treatment.

That’s what I have. I don’t know how much longer I can afford it, but it is what everyone should have. Period!

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:46:19am

re: #250 Eclectic Cyborg

Umm, how exactly can a state impose anything on Federal Armed Forces?

Simply put, they can’t. But a federal judge in a state can. (Until it’s reversed at higher levels.)

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:46:57am

re: #250 Eclectic Cyborg

Umm, how exactly can a state impose anything on Federal Armed Forces?

Federal Judge. I expect it to be appealed by the DoD/Navy with a request for an immediate injunction as well.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:47:37am

re: #253 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Simply put, they can’t. But a federal judge in a state can. (Until it’s reversed at higher levels.)

But the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals will be 100% on board with this, and so it will go to SCOTUS. They are likely to shoot it down, but that’s still time on the clock where unvaccinated idjits get to be treated as normal people, instead of as unvaccinated idjits.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:52:32am

re: #248 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

In other words, they’ll make a lot of noise and do nothing of consequence for two years, which might be the best we can expect from the repugs.

I don’t expect anything to pass beyond the very bare minimum to keep things functioning. But even in that regard, it will largely be Dems doing the heavy lifting, as most of the GOP will vote against raising the debt ceiling, etc.

But, I think the constant investigations, buoyed by a media who treats the investigations as even remotely legitimate, can wear on the voters over time.

And while there might not be any legislation coming out of the House with any hope of passing, having the House be run by the Jordans, Gosars, Boeberts, MTGs, Gohmerts, etc. etc. will have negative repercussions both domestically and abroad, in similar fashion to Trump’s mere existence as President. We’ll be a full and complete clown show.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:53:47am

re: #181 lawhawk

When the ICU numbers soar, it shows once again that hospitalizations and ER and bed utilization isn’t incidental to covid, but the result of covid being exponentially worse in magnitude than just a few weeks ago.

That fewer are dying on a per capita basis is small comfort for those watching family dying of covid despite vaccinations being widely available. Far too many aren’t vaccinating.

White GOPers are among the least vaccinated. But we have to do better for all folks, since it takes enough people vaccinating to protect the community.

and I was just about to give Ron Desantis an apology!

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austin_blue  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:57:17am

re: #149 Varek Raith

nbcwashington.com

Muad’dib!

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jaunte  Jan 4, 2022 • 9:58:56am

re: #251 Teukka

Someone must have decided to go softly because so many in this country are completely delusional.

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jaunte  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:01:39am
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Teukka  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:01:52am

re: #259 jaunte

Someone must have decided to go softly because so many in this country are completely delusional.

Or because you have the posse commitatus precedent, the threat would have to be enough to excuse going against it. Probably in the same ballpark where treason becomes high treason here and where I come from, i.e. your coup attempt had a realistic chance of succeeding (even if it only failed because you tripped over your own dick).

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:03:14am

re: #241 Mike Lamb

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind Biden gets impeached with a quickness if the House changes hands. None. McConnell might try to talk them out of it, but the crazies will be running the House.

Other things I’d expect to happen: Rep. Omar, if not the entire Squad, will be removed from committee assignments. There will be a large number of “select” committees, after the GOP refuse to seat Democrats on a number of the committees pursuing sham investigations. The number of crazy people testifying in Congress will be eleventy billion. A report will be issued stating COVID originated in a lab. Some kind of report will come out stating Trump did everything right with respect to COVID (the number of Trump hagiographies will be sickening). Insane amounts of money will be spent on “audits” similar to the freakshow from AZ. Bills will pass the House making it illegal for Biden to impose vaccine mandates. A non-binding resolution in praise of Ashli Babbit.

You forgot one thing. they will go after Fauci like he was the most evil person in history. they will not stop.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:16:52am

re: #250 Eclectic Cyborg

Umm, how exactly can a state impose anything on Federal Armed Forces?

A federal judge in Texas.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:19:53am

re: #262 I Would Prefer Not To

You forgot one thing. they will go after Fauci like he was the most evil person in history. they will not stop.

Given the precedent Trump Administration officials set, Dr. Fauci can simply refuse to appear before Congress to testify. Or he can show up and take a flamethrower to Rand Paul, like he’s done in the past.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:24:06am

Last nights dinner. I got the pot reheating on sous vide mode so I can finish stripping the ham hocks and portioning it down today.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:26:16am
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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:26:27am

They got the headlines wrong:

Omicron Variant Symptoms: Latest COVID ‘Making People Really Sick in a Different Way’

It should read people with sore throats and runny noses unnecessarily filling up emergency rooms.

“Every patient I’ve seen with Covid that’s had a 3rd ‘booster’ dose has had mild symptoms. By mild I mean mostly sore throat. Lots of sore throat. Also some fatigue, maybe some muscle pain. No difficulty breathing. No shortness of breath. All a little uncomfortable, but fine,” Spencer wrote.

That is from an ER Doctor.
nbcnewyork.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:26:57am

WOO HOO

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:27:05am
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Mike Lamb  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:27:16am

re: #262 I Would Prefer Not To

You forgot one thing. they will go after Fauci like he was the most evil person in history. they will not stop.

Yes. I should have listed this. It will get even worse for Fauci in terms of his safety.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:29:26am

re: #270 Mike Lamb

Yes. I should have listed this. It will get even worse for Fauci in terms of his safety.

Ben Garrison actively fantasizes about lynching him from a lamp post.

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A Cranky One  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:30:30am

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:33:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:33:32am

Jay McInerny, in Bright Lights, Big City, had a character speculate about the future of literature and how it would be about the ebb and flow of large sums of wealth.

That has come to manifest itself it Modern Art, which is more about the sums paid and the currency used than about the works of art themselves.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 4, 2022 • 10:36:03am

Though I haven’t seen the map, apparently the Kentucky GOP did not try to crack the 3rd Congressional District (currently represented by John Yarmuth) in order to eliminate the last Democratic Congressman. Yarmuth is retiring, and a least a couple of Democrats are running to replace him in the only Democratic leaning congressional district in the state.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2022 • 11:03:14am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Jay McInerny, in Bright Lights, Big City, had a character speculate about the future of literature and how it would be about the ebb and flow of large sums of wealth.

That has come to manifest itself it Modern Art, which is more about the sums paid and the currency used than about the works of art themselves.

Considering the Renaissance artists all had patrons, I don’t think it’s all that different than before. Modern art is more about what do you do when the camera can capture an image perfectly.


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