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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:27:16am

The only thing the GOP can hope to do at this point is to blow up enough fog and toss out enough red herrings so it is not possible to definitively determine exactly who is responsible, there is no hiding or denying what happened.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:29:30am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:29:36am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:29:44am
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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:35:21am
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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:43:06am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:45:35am

A collection of Fox News Chyrons I saved from 1/6/21:

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:46:53am

As far as I’m concerned the Republican Party should be replaced. Insurrectionists and people (elected or not) that chose Trump over the law should be banned from running for any office.

There is a place for a spectrum of views here, a battle of wills over legit policy debate. The economy, the environment, the military, you name it. Dare I say it? Conservatives deserve an honest home. Without that, we don’t get an honest debate. Without that, we don’t get honest decisions.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:47:42am

Jen Psaki is on.
washingtonpost.com

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:49:08am

re: #9 PhillyPretzel

“Does President Biden think he’s done enough to unify the country?”

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:50:05am

re: #10 jaunte

lol Joe is expected to do the impossible.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:51:49am

re: #11 PhillyPretzel

I wish she had pointed out the Republican absence (except for Cheneys) from the House floor. And how is Biden expected to turn them into responsible citizens at this point?

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:52:20am

Cyber Ninjas and their lawyer(s) are in some serious trouble with the court in Arizona.
How it started:

How it’s going:

They’ll try to appeal the decision but I don’t think it has much chance of success.

Here’s the thing, the former lawyer is trying to get out of case because he hasn’t been paid. Two out-of-state lawyers have come in to represent Cyber Ninjas, and how exactly are *they* getting paid?

Someone is going to take it on the chin, and I’m here for it.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:52:42am

re: #12 jaunte

Beats the heck out of me how he supposed to that.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:52:50am

“Unify” does not mean forget the insurrection or its leadership.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:53:27am

re: #13 lawhawk

The judge has a simple solution for them. Turn over the documents.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:54:25am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:54:38am
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Dopamine Fish  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:55:24am

re: #13 lawhawk

That second-to-last tweet is on the list of things I would dread to hear if I was a lawyer. A judge saying that to me means that 1) I’m an asshole, and 2) I’m about to get benchslapped into the Andromeda Galaxy.

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Teukka  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:55:51am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Just a thought… Psaki is a redhead, no? Have not this people learned the perils of pissing off redheads?

Also, over/under on Psaki harvesting journalist souls on live TV this year? /S

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:55:59am
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Teukka  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:56:36am

re: #19 Dopamine Fish

That second-to-last tweet is on the list of things I would dread to hear if I was a lawyer. A judge saying that to me means that 1) I’m an asshole, and 2) I’m about to get benchslapped into the Andromeda Galaxy.

Gavel in [redacted], sideways.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:56:53am

re: #14 PhillyPretzel

Beats the heck out of me how he supposed to that.

By admitting the election was stolen and stepping down…

The GOP will accept no other answer.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:56:54am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

What exactly is Biden supposed to do, huh? Hold hands with Trump, sing kumbaya, and then everything is going to magically become unicorns and rainbows? THEY KILLED PEOPLE BECAUSE THE WRONG PERSON WON THE ELECTION! There is nothing he can do to make them like him, because they would kill HIM if they were given an opportunity!

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:57:12am

1/6/21 was almost as bad as when angry Gore supporters set off bombs at the GWB inaugural, killing the new Pres. and VP.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:58:05am

re: #19 Dopamine Fish

That second-to-last tweet is on the list of things I would dread to hear if I was a lawyer. A judge saying that to me means that 1) I’m an asshole, and 2) I’m about to get benchslapped into the Andromeda Galaxy.

Direct contempt… the thing that tv and movies loves to portray (think spending nights in jail for refusing to do something the judge ordered or doing something that the judge prohibited). Yeah, this is that.

You don’t do what these guys did. Yet it seems everyone pushing these fraudits, Trump-enabled voter fraud type cases is ending up revealing that they’re awful lawyers, should be disbarred, and sanctioned to Andromeda and back.

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Florida Panhandler  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:58:51am

re: #2 jaunte

Our mainstream press is intent on prospering during the oncoming 40 year Republican reign of terror.

Profits are their motive now. Truth is obsolete. May they rot and burn for this.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:59:35am

re: #26 lawhawk

Direct contempt… the thing that tv and movies loves to portray (think spending nights in jail for refusing to do something the judge ordered or doing something that the judge prohibited). Yeah, this is that.

You don’t do what these guys did. Yet it seems everyone pushing these fraudits, Trump-enabled voter fraud type cases is ending up revealing that they’re awful lawyers, should be disbarred, and sanctioned to Andromeda and back.

Right on cue:

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 10:59:51am

I’m always amazed by Jen Psaki’s instantaneous brain-to-voice connection.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:04:26am

re: #27 Florida Panhandler

Our mainstream press is intent on prospering during the oncoming 40 year Republican reign of terror.

Profits are their motive now. Truth is obsolete. May they rot and burn for this.

Trump offers them a 24/7 political/family/crime/sex-scandal reality show with daily Twitter outburst and ongoing other over-the-top statements and crayzee-ass rallies full of people who want to fuck your feelings while spreading deadly viruses.

Biden is boring and makes them work to report on what he accomplishes rather than just commenting on a lot of obtuse and hollow ramblings.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:04:56am

re: #8 Rightwingconspirator

As far as I’m concerned the Republican Party should be replaced. Insurrectionists and people (elected or not) that chose Trump over the law should be banned from running for any office.

There is a place for a spectrum of views here, a battle of wills over legit policy debate. The economy, the environment, the military, you name it. Dare I say it? Conservatives deserve an honest home. Without that, we don’t get an honest debate. Without that, we don’t get honest decisions.

Replaced? Burned to the fucking ground, nuked, the earth salted, swept up and put in a fucking time capsule and launched to the depths of the Mariana Trench. And anyone remaining thrown in prison.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:06:53am

re: #19 Dopamine Fish

That second-to-last tweet is on the list of things I would dread to hear if I was a lawyer. A judge saying that to me means that 1) I’m an asshole, and 2) I’m about to get benchslapped into the Andromeda Galaxy.

More like they WISH they were getting launched into another galaxy. Or, if they’re not now, they will be soon.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:06:56am

DeSantis calls the 1/6 insurrection and storming of the Capitol a politicized clusterfuck.

Yeah, the GOP politicized the overthrow of the government, ending democracy, and you’re trying to whitewash history and claim it was some random event that got out of hand, rather than a concerted effort from Trump on down to thwart the peaceful transfer of power to the legitimately elected Biden.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:07:00am
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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:07:25am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:07:29am
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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:07:30am

re: #31 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Nuke it from orbit… that’s the only way to be sure.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:10:10am

Funny how we have a near-perfect circle in the Venn diagram of Republicans that claim to be constitutionalists and were happy to see an election overthrown at the same time.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:10:39am

re: #37 lawhawk

Nuke it from orbit… that’s the only way to be sure.

Isn’t that how Thanos or Galactus was created?

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:11:09am

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

They turn everything into a power tool.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:12:17am

I’ve spent a little too much time scanning comments on the MSM threads about last year and today. Predictable, Dems seem to be at work while bots and choads are swarming. It would have been a crime if Biden had just engaged in “bipartisan” platitudes. There is seriously hard work ahead to isolate the traitors.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:13:17am

Grifter grifting, Jan. 6 edition:

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:15:10am

I disagree strongly with the Biden administration’s push to keep schools open. This is a big mistake.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:16:21am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Yes it is. My late dad caught practically every cold that went the school he worked in.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:16:31am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

I agree that it’s pressure from business interests driving this departure from safe behavior during a pandemic.

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Dangerman  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:17:05am

re: #26 lawhawk

Direct contempt… the thing that tv and movies loves to portray (think spending nights in jail for refusing to do something the judge ordered or doing something that the judge prohibited). Yeah, this is that.

You don’t do what these guys did. Yet it seems everyone pushing these fraudits, Trump-enabled voter fraud type cases is ending up revealing that they’re awful lawyers, should be disbarred, and sanctioned to Andromeda and back left there.

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Thanos  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:17:37am

re: #39 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Isn’t that how Thanos or Galactus was created?

Yes - but I can only speak for myself

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BeachDem  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:18:00am

re: #27 Florida Panhandler

Our mainstream press is intent on prospering during the oncoming 40 year Republican reign of terror.

Profits are their motive now. Truth is obsolete. May they rot and burn for this.

Regarding the broadcast news cretins, Aaron Sorkin (through Will McAvoy ) said it on The Newsroom:

In the infancy of mass communications, the Columbus and Magellan of broadcast journalism, William Paley and David Sarnoff, went down to Washington to cut a deal with Congress. Congress would allow the fledgling networks free use of taxpayer-owned airwaves in exchange for one public service. That public service would be one hour of air time set aside every night for informational broadcasting, or what we now call the evening news. Congress, unable to anticipate the enormous capacity television would have to deliver consumers to advertisers, failed to include in its deal the one requirement that would have changed our national discourse immeasurably for the better. Congress forgot to add that under no circumstances could there be paid advertising during informational broadcasting. They forgot to say that taxpayers will give you the airwaves for free and for 23 hours a day you should make a profit, but for one hour a night you work for us. And now those network newscasts, anchored through history by honest-to-God newsmen with names like Murrow and Reasoner and Huntley and Brinkley and Buckley and Cronkite and Rather and Russert— Now they have to compete with the likes of me. A cable anchor who’s in the exact same business as the producers of Jersey Shore.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:19:06am

re: #256 Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)

Just paged this: UPDATE: Another RWNJ Radio Host Who Mocked Vaccines, Dies of COVID

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As I said: the Jan. 6 coup anniversary has put me in a real sour mood, which is why perhaps I’m in such a dark place, emotionally.

Question: can liberal groups secretly fund MORE right-wing in-person gatherings?

Because the aftereffects of getting these choads all in the same space are really beneficial to democracy in America, and to the planet as a whole.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:20:14am

re: #29 jaunte

I’m always amazed by Jen Psaki’s instantaneous brain-to-voice connection.

The next presidential press secretary is going to have a tough act to follow.

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Florida Panhandler  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:20:36am

re: #33 lawhawk

DeSantis calls the 1/6 insurrection and storming of the Capitol a politicized clusterfuck.

Yeah, the GOP politicized the overthrow of the government, ending democracy, and you’re trying to whitewash history and claim it was some random event that got out of hand, rather than a concerted effort from Trump on down to thwart the peaceful transfer of power to the legitimately elected Biden.

After Republicans win majorities in 2022 and then the White House in 2024, all negative statements from Republicans and the traditional media concerning 1/6 will cease and be replaced with Presidential Pardons, editorials negating all previous condemnations, and even Trump medals handed out to released terrorists and murderers. The very next step will be to essentially nullify all future elections with rigged elections boards and state legislators hand-picking winners throughout the entire country. This is coming.

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Dangerman  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:20:44am

re: #35 jaunte

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That they “really” believed the lies is immaterial

I was told firmly held belief was a defense to everything

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:22:42am
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Dangerman  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:22:57am

re: #42 jaunte

Grifter grifting, Jan. 6 edition:

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J.d., name one. Just one.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:23:09am

re: #27 Florida Panhandler

Our mainstream press is intent on prospering during the oncoming 40 year Republican reign of terror.

Profits are their motive now. Truth is obsolete. May they rot and burn for this.

And at the GOP, profits are our most important product.

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Thanos  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:23:23am

If you haven’t heard the Evanescence cover of “Across the Universe then you should give it a listen:

Evanescence - Across the Universe (Official Audio)

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:27:08am
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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:27:18am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

I disagree strongly with the Biden administration’s push to keep schools open. This is a big mistake.

The political need to try and convey that we can keep schools open will run into the indisputable fact that there aren’t teachers/staff in the building due to covid, and/or students are out sick en masse due to covid.

Some schools are going remote for a couple of weeks, but there’s no intention to go remote for the school year. NYC schools will probably go remote individually, rather than as an entire system. Some schools in the DOE are seeing massive absences while others are doing far better. There are some schools that have under 20% attending, but the overall attendance is around 71%.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:27:24am

re: #42 jaunte

“People being mistreated in DC prisons”

You mean being treated like most any other non-white, non-political prisoner in a DC jail?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:28:42am

re: #51 Florida Panhandler

After Republicans win majorities in 2022 and then the White House in 2024, all negative statements from Republicans and the traditional media concerning 1/6 will cease and be replaced with Presidential Pardons, editorials negating all previous condemnations, and even Trump medals handed out to released terrorists and murderers. The very next step will be to essentially nullify all future elections with rigged elections boards and state legislators hand-picking winners throughout the entire country. This is coming.

The GOP is well on its way to installing such a system, it is our task to prevent it or it will be with us for generations to come…

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:29:56am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Another reason for GOTV. It has to be done for every election.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:30:14am

Man this is just such a sad story:

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:30:32am

“…There were people who wanted to PROTECT, with VIOLENCE, the kind of despotism that we broke away from.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:31:23am

re: #61 PhillyPretzel

Another reason for GOTV. It has to be done for every election.

GOTV is part of it, we have to get those votes counted and registered.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:31:53am

re: #51 Florida Panhandler

Please spare us your paranoid fantasies. There are a great many steps between here and there, and some of us haven’t given up on averting them yet.

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Captain Magic  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:32:55am

re: #20 Teukka

Have not this people learned the perils of pissing off redheads?

You never piss off a redhead. I know, I live with one (mother) and am friends with one.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:33:21am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

GOTV is part of it, we have to get those votes counted and registered.

It is, but if people had turned out in 2000, 2010, and 2016, we wouldn’t be having these kinds of conversions.

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Teukka  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:33:32am

re: #66 Captain Magic

You never piss off a redhead. I know, I live with one (mother) and am friends with one.

Son of a redhead. I know too.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:34:16am

Thread (of which this is #3) and article, linked at the top of the thread.

Oooh, #2, too! I never know how they’ll render…

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:34:26am

re: #62 Barefoot Grin

Goes back to the fact that the justice system was treating all these “low level” offenders as if they were trespassing in a park after hours, and not intent on overthrowing the government as their intent and actions indicated.

None of them should have been released on bail given their threat to the public. That this woman proceeded to kill someone in a DUI incident shows the dangers acutely. They cannot be trusted to act properly even while they’re waiting for their case to be heard.

Throw the book at her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:34:34am

re: #65 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Please spare us your paranoid fantasies. There are a great many steps between here and there, and some of us haven’t given up on averting them yet.

Those are not merely paranoid fantasies, they are part of a nationwide effort on the part of the GOP not to repeat the mistakes they made in 2020. They came within a hair of pulling it off, too: only a record voter turnout for Biden was (barely) able to stop them.

They are not inevitabilities either, but they are well on their way to being implemented if responsible citizens do not take definitive action to counter them.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:34:52am

re: #63 jaunte

And yes I know Sen Booker is talking about Al Schmidt who is still being threatened by certain elements of the GOP.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:38:17am

re: #69 wrenchwench

Thread (of which this is #3) and article, linked at the top of the thread.

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Oooh, #2, too! I never know how they’ll render…

They render faster in the Master Spy than in the thread. Never in Preview.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:39:44am

re: #20 Teukka

Just a thought… Psaki is a redhead, no? Have not this people learned the perils of pissing off redheads?

Also, over/under on Psaki harvesting journalist souls on live TV this year? /S

MSM journalists have souls?

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Captain Magic  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:40:44am

re: #48 BeachDem

This reminds me of a Babylon5 episode where ISN (Interstellar News) was talking about the “wildly successful martial law” edict imposed by President Clark…(I wish I could find that clip and re-dub it with President Trump).

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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:41:20am
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Florida Panhandler  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:41:48am

re: #65 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Please spare us your paranoid fantasies. There are a great many steps between here and there, and some of us haven’t given up on averting them yet.

I my be paranoid, but I’m not the sitting US Reps that are right now as we speak lionizing the terrorists and making every excuse possible for their efforts to turn us into a fascist autocracy.

Matt Gaetz own words: “We’re ashamed of nothing. We’re proud of the work we did on January 6th to make legitimate arguments about election integrity,” Gaetz said during an appearance Thursday on Bannon’s podcast. “We’re actually going to walk the grounds that patriotic Americans walked from the White House to the Capitol, who had no intent of breaking the law and doing violence.”

thehill.com

The coup is still underway. If I am “paranoid” then let me be a prepared paranoid freak.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:41:54am
By 2025, American democracy could collapse, causing extreme domestic political instability, including widespread civil violence. By 2030, if not sooner, the country could be governed by a right-wing dictatorship.

We mustn’t dismiss these possibilities just because they seem ludicrous or too horrible to imagine. In 2014, the suggestion that Donald Trump would become president would also have struck nearly everyone as absurd. But today we live in a world where the absurd regularly becomes real and the horrible commonplace.

Leading American academics are now actively addressing the prospect of a fatal weakening of U.S. democracy.

This past November, more than 150 professors of politics, government, political economy and international relations appealed to Congress to pass the Freedom to Vote Act, which would protect the integrity of US elections but is now stalled in the Senate. This is a moment of “great peril and risk,” they wrote. “Time is ticking away, and midnight is approaching.”

The American polity is cracked, and might collapse. Canada must prepare (The Globe and Mail)

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Teukka  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:42:10am

re: #74 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

MSM journalists have souls?

Even better. The satisfaction of seeing what happens when Psaki looks in every nook and cranny for the souls… semi-/s

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:43:16am

re: #75 Captain Magic

This reminds me of a Babylon5 episode where ISN (Interstellar News) was talking about the “wildly successful martial law” edict imposed by President Clark…(I wish I could find that clip and re-dub it with President Trump).

Oue current politics are far too much like the EarthGov stuff in B5.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:44:09am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You mean being treated like most any other non-white, non-political prisoner in a DC jail?

Not a one of these GOPers would sign on to criminal justice reform. These are the same people who openly decry the end of cash bail and other steps that are supposed to make prison safer. Bail is supposed to be there to enforce attendance in court proceedings, not as an excuse to keep incarcerated indefinitely until trial as is all too often the case.

Prison/jail conditions are awful whether they’re in federal or state/local control. We need to do better - and that also has to do with things like 3-strikes and low level drug use becoming life in prison for drug offenses. Diversions to treatment instead of prison for those with mental health issues or addictions is frowned upon, especially with the “law and order” and prison industrial complex types.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:44:30am

re: #77 Florida Panhandler

I my be paranoid, but I’m not the sitting US Reps that are right now as we speak lionizing the terrorists and making every excuse possible for their efforts to turn us into a fascist autocracy.

Matt Gaetz own words: “We’re ashamed of nothing. We’re proud of the work we did on January 6th to make legitimate arguments about election integrity,” Gaetz said during an appearance Thursday on Bannon’s podcast. “We’re actually going to walk the grounds that patriotic Americans walked from the White House to the Capitol, who had no intent of breaking the law and doing violence.”

thehill.com

The coup is still underway. If I am “paranoid” then let me be a prepared paranoid freak.

If you can be ‘paranoid’ and retain hope…that’s my goal.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:47:02am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those are not merely paranoid fantasies, they are part of a nationwide effort on the part of the GOP not to repeat the mistakes they made in 2020. They came within a hair of pulling it off, too: only a record voter turnout for Biden was (barely) able to stop them.

They are not inevitabilities either, but they are well on their way to being implemented if responsible citizens do not take definitive action to counter them.

Nonsense. What FP described has not happened and there’s no reason to state as a fact that it will happen. PARANOID FANTASIES, I say.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:47:37am

re: #47 Thanos

Yes - but I can only speak for myself

I tee’d that up for you right smartly, didn’t I? :-D

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:49:31am

re: #83 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Nonsense. What FP described has not happened and there’s no reason to state as a fact that it will happen. PARANOID FANTASIES, I say.

I hope you are right. I fear they are right.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:53:40am
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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:54:24am

re: #85 Dopamine Fish

I hope you are right. I fear they are right.

Way back a long time ago, the thought of Trump getting elected president was seen ( by me anyway) as a paranoid fantasy. Even after he got the nomination. Even after the ballots were cast.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:54:45am

re: #13 lawhawk

Cyber Ninjas and their lawyer(s) are in some serious trouble with the court in Arizona.
How it started:

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They’ll try to appeal the decision but I don’t think it has much chance of success.

Here’s the thing, the former lawyer is trying to get out of case because he hasn’t been paid. Two out-of-state lawyers have come in to represent Cyber Ninjas, and how exactly are *they* getting paid?

Someone is going to take it on the chin, and I’m here for it.

Maybe the Republican Party? They are paying for Trump’s civil case that has nothing to do with his term in office. I’m sure they’ll be happy to raise more funds as part of their “Stop the Steal” initiative.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:55:37am

re: #83 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Nonsense. What FP described has not happened and there’s no reason to state as a fact that it will happen. PARANOID FANTASIES, I say.

I would interpret his comment “it’s coming” as meaning that is what the GOP is planning to do, and opponents of fascism better prepare for it. Because that is the GOP’s plan.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:55:45am

re: #87 wrenchwench

Way back a long time ago, the thought of Trump getting elected president was seen ( by me anyway) as a paranoid fantasy. Even after he got the nomination. Even after the ballots were cast.

We underestimated the stupidity of the American people. We had to be pretty far gone for that clown to win.

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Florida Panhandler  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:56:00am

re: #83 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

“Paranoid fantasies” 2015 - Trump will win the Presidency, pardon outright criminals and toadies, openly threaten and intimidate press members, harass and suggest violence against political opponents and foreign countries, and lead a coup to negate an election and overthrow democracy in the USA.

Conventional wisdom 2015- Trump may win, but he will turn out to be a moderate who will soon assume traditional limits and behaviors consistent with previous administrations. Even if Trump does try and test limits, Republican leaders, Justices, and Congress will keep him reigned in. …Trump will soon be “Presidential.”

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:56:44am

re: #88 Hecuba’s daughter

If they’re willing to pay for the new lawyer, why not the old one who now wants to flee this case?

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electrotek  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:56:48am

re: #91 Florida Panhandler

“Paranoid fantasies” 2015 - Trump will win the Presidency, pardon outright criminals and toadies, openly threaten and intimidate press members, harass and suggest violence against political opponents and foreign countries, and lead a coup to negate an election and overthrow democracy in the USA.

Conventional wisdom 2015- Trump may win, but he will turn out to be a moderate who will soon assume traditional limits and behaviors consistent with previous administrations. Even if Trump does try and test limits, Republican leaders, Justices, and Congress will keep him reigned in. …Trump will soon be “Presidential.”

Oh how wrong we were about conventional wisdom.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:57:15am

re: #87 wrenchwench

Way back a long time ago, the thought of Trump getting elected president was seen ( by me anyway) as a paranoid fantasy. Even after he got the nomination. Even after the ballots were cast.

I did not believe such a transparent conman could be elected President. I was horrified to find out I was wrong.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:57:17am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

I disagree strongly with the Biden administration’s push to keep schools open. This is a big mistake.

Here’s the thing. And this is pretty critical to everyone. I personally agree. I think this is a bad thing to do, but this is what we are about to be facing.

If you consider the supply chain from top to bottom, solely around food and needed supplies (medicine, and such). If we do not have people, those often benighted Essential Workers (who are more often than not shit on), to make food/drugs, package them, prepare them for shipment, logistics to move them around, drivers to deliver them, people to stock stuff on shelves, and the ability to sell that stuff to other people, we are going to starve, die from not having drugs and the economy in total will collapse into a great big black hole.

I honestly do not know what they right thing to do is, but this isn’t just about kids and schools, this is so much bigger and when you think about all the varying tentacles of everything that is our supply chain, I think this is going to test us in ways we have never been tested before. And I am glad there are much smarter people than me considering all of this. Because it’s huge.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:57:18am
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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:57:47am

It’s an article of faith among GOPers that there were election fraud sufficient to give Trump the win, despite zero actual evidence of any fraud sufficient to overturn results in any state anywhere.

It’s a religious cult - a white nationalist fascist cult.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:58:22am

re: #90 Punish Domestic Terrorists

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:58:31am

re: #90 Punish Domestic Terrorists

We underestimated the stupidity of the American people. We had to be pretty far gone for that clown to win.

Don’t forget the Russia factor.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 6, 2022 • 11:58:42am

re: #92 lawhawk

If they’re willing to pay for the new lawyer, why not the old one who now wants to flee this case?

My guess is, the new lawyers THINK they’re getting paid, but no money has actually changed hands yet. This hearing might start the penny dropping.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:00:24pm

re: #96 Patricia Kayden

I remember when leftists thought VP Cheney would engineer a coup to keep power. Now his daughter is one of a handful of Republicans in office who oppose one.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:01:12pm

re: #90 Punish Domestic Terrorists

We underestimated the stupidity of the American people. We had to be pretty far gone for that clown to win.

The slightly less negative view is that it’s not so much stupidity, more like vulnerability. To propaganda. To personality. To fear, and the stoking thereof.

Pretty far gone, but not too far gone.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:01:21pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:03:16pm

re: #37 lawhawk

Nuke it from orbit… that’s the only way to be sure.

Wasn’t that Ripley’s suggestion in Aliens?

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mmmirele  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:04:22pm

This is a lonnnng thread about a hearing today where grifting lawyer John Wilenchik wants off the Cyber Ninjas case because he’s not being paid. The current issue is that the Arizona Republic wants documentation and Cyber Ninjas is refusing to turn it over, in part because Cyber Ninjas basically doesn’t exist anymore. If you read the entire thread, you’ll find that the judge has found the Cyber Ninjas in contempt and a $50,000 day fine starts tomorrow. (The Arizona Republic only wanted $1000/day.)

Wilenchik says he will be appealing to the AZ Supreme Court.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:06:41pm

re: #105 mmmirele

This is a lonnnng thread about a hearing today where grifting lawyer John Wilenchik wants off the Cyber Ninjas case because he’s not being paid. The current issue is that the Arizona Republic wants documentation and Cyber Ninjas is refusing to turn it over, in part because Cyber Ninjas basically doesn’t exist anymore. If you read the entire thread, you’ll find that the judge has found the Cyber Ninjas in contempt and a $50,000 day fine starts tomorrow. (The Arizona Republic only wanted $1000/day.)

Wilenchik says he will be appealing to the AZ Supreme Court.

If you are going to represent grifters, you better get paid up front.

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gocart mozart  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:07:04pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:08:52pm

re: #90 Punish Domestic Terrorists

We underestimated the stupidity of the American people. We had to be pretty far gone for that clown to win.

I think we underestimated the sheer malice of the American people. So many people I thought were reasonable and decent have proven that they are not.

It’s like the old saying - a third of them will gleefully murder another third of us, while the other third will watch.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:09:59pm

TFG’s brainworms are exploding out his ears.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:11:40pm

If this has already been posted, I am not in the least sorry. Twice is not enough.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:11:42pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

*He paid someone for a whip from Auschwitz.*

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:11:56pm
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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:13:10pm

Fucking psycho.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:13:38pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

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When she says k, it has more of a “ch” sound to it.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:13:49pm

re: #107 gocart mozart

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Maybe he’ll turn out to be a great painter this time. //////

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Citizen K  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:13:52pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

The slightly less negative view is that it’s not so much stupidity, more like vulnerability. To propaganda. To personality. To fear, and the stoking thereof.

Pretty far gone, but not too far gone.

There’s a lot of willful stupidity though too. Remember that you can be well-educated and reasonably intelligent in certain ways and still be stock stupid in the ways that matter, and that seems to be not only well represented but well cultivated in our current electorate. It’s like that one vid sending up anti-vaxxers way back when the only thing they were up in arms about was the bogus autism rap. A woman accosting a doctor for the studies about vaccines effects on autism, the doctor saying ‘well, here’s the 100s of studies that show it has no effect, and the 1 non-peer reviewed study saying it might’, and the woman scoffs, grabbed the 1 non-peer reviewed study, and sneered ‘I knew it’ and walked off.

That’s what we’re facing. A country full of folks who will reach and scratch and claw for the comfortable lie through broken glass when the truth is at arm’s reach on a platter for them.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:15:28pm
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IngisKahn  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:16:18pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

I believe she said: “You fucktits did this.”

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A Three Hour Tour  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:16:20pm

re: #91 Florida Panhandler

“Paranoid fantasies” 2015 - Trump will win the Presidency, pardon outright criminals and toadies, openly threaten and intimidate press members, harass and suggest violence against political opponents and foreign countries, and lead a coup to negate an election and overthrow democracy in the USA.

Conventional wisdom 2015- Trump may win, but he will turn out to be a moderate who will soon assume traditional limits and behaviors consistent with previous administrations. Even if Trump does try and test limits, Republican leaders, Justices, and Congress will keep him reigned in. …Trump will soon be “Presidential.”

The country experienced a catastrophic failure of imagination about how far dedicated terrorists would go and on 9/11, 3000 people paid the price with their lives.

I had a catastrophic failure of imagination in 2016 when I largely dismissed the mathematical quirk in electoral vote apportionment which have Trump an electoral victory while Hillary won the popular vote count.

In the lead-up to January 6th, 2021, I had another catastrophic failure of imagination when I dismissed the trolling of Trumpist “friends of friends” on Facebook telling us Biden supporting Democrats to “Just wait until January 6th. You’ll be singing a different tune then when we Real American patriots march on Washington to reinstall Trump as the rightful victor” as just big talk.

So, no, I’m not going to dismiss FP’s fears as paranoid fantasy. The Republicans have descended into mass insanity. In that circumstance, it’s possible that those of us who want to cling to the flotation device of a sense of lasting normality are just not being paranoid enough.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:17:36pm

re: #101 No Malarkey!

I remember when leftists thought VP Cheney would engineer a coup to keep power. Now his daughter is one of a handful of Republicans in office who oppose one.

The left howling about these paranoid fantasies at the top of their lungs through the entire Bush Administration is likely the crying wolf that allowed people to ignore when this kind of thing was actually happening.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:18:55pm

Consider, though, that it’s still a minority of Americans. They have way too much power, and that’s because our constitution is messed up like that, but they were a minority of votes in 2016 and in 2020.

We have a lot of work cut out for us, but we do have the majority of Americans on our side. And it’ll be a lot easier to convince them, and some of the Republicans that were actually appalled at January 6th, to vote if we’re working towards defeating Republicans rather than being resigned to the idea that they’re going to win.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:21:00pm

re: #62 Barefoot Grin

Man this is just such a sad story:

No one who entered the building should be out on bail. They’ve shown that they’re irresponsible, dangerous, people, but Republicans probably won’t shout about this death being because we’re soft on crime.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:21:57pm

re: #116 Citizen K

I read yours and went back to upding 108. Whatever serves a person’s self interest is the bottom line.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:22:11pm

re: #121 Belafon

Consider, though, that it’s still a minority of Americans. They have way too much power, and that’s because our constitution is messed up like that, but they were a minority of votes in 2016 and in 2020.

We have a lot of work cut out for us, but we do have the majority of Americans on our side. And it’ll be a lot easier to convince them, and some of the Republicans that were actually appalled at January 6th, to vote if we’re working towards defeating Republicans rather than being resigned to the idea that they’re going to win.

Correct, if we go down, we go down fighting.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:22:37pm

“Look what you made me do” is the excuse of an abuser.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:24:27pm

How do we handle the places that are still supporting Trump:

It’s become doctrine for many right-thinking people that people shouldn’t “amplify” what Trump is saying. That only does his work for him, we’re told. This is the logic that got him booted off social media. But if what Benjy says is right, this state of affairs, which has clearly driven Trump to distraction, has also proved almost the best of all possible worlds for him. Trump’s supporters hear his message loud and clear: through NewsMax, OANN, talk radio, Facebook and to a significant degree on Fox News. But for the rest of the political world it’s muffled. So the horror and craziness of Trumpism recedes from public consciousness while people are focused on the day to day imperfection of the Biden presidency.

This hasn’t made Trump any weaker. His hold over the institutional and electoral GOP has only intensified since leaving office. The very small number of elected officials who refused to support the Big Lie have mostly been drummed out of the party. Trump’s Big Lie propaganda has become unassailable in heavily state-legislative-gerrymandered states where it will matter most. In short, the “don’t amplify” doctrine has allowed Trump to speak freely to his supporters and intensify his hold over the GOP, while keeping the incendiary messages that mobilize a majority of the country against him largely off mainstream airwaves.

All of the upside and none of the down.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:24:38pm

re: #125 jaunte

“Look what you made me do” is the excuse of an abuser.

Garrison just draws whatever propagandists have recently told the trashiest Americans. This changes from day to day, and even hour to hour.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:25:17pm

re: #121 Belafon

Consider, though, that it’s still a minority of Americans. They have way too much power, and that’s because our constitution is messed up like that, but they were a minority of votes in 2016 and in 2020.

We have a lot of work cut out for us, but we do have the majority of Americans on our side. And it’ll be a lot easier to convince them, and some of the Republicans that were actually appalled at January 6th, to vote if we’re working towards defeating Republicans rather than being resigned to the idea that they’re going to win.

Plus:

The guy that killed George Floyd is in jail
Kamala Harris is VP
Rush Limbaugh is still dead

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:25:53pm

moron

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Citizen K  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:28:06pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

I read yours and went back to upding 108. Whatever serves a person’s self interest is the bottom line.

As long as you remember that for some, ‘bottom line’ isn’t their financial or even physical well-being, but their cultural self-interest. Folks willing to screw themselves over both in money and in health long as they get to feel culturally superior to the ‘other’, as long as their Tribe remains superior, they will do what they can in service to that, in order to feel better than ‘those people’.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:28:26pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

He’s not a moron. He just believes that Republicans should not be held accountable for their crimes because he’s a scumbag.

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gocart mozart  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:30:06pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Fuckheads?
Fucksticks?
Fucktards?
Fuckstains requires two extra dashes.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:31:07pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:33:07pm

re: #109 The Pie Overlord!

TFG’s brainworms are exploding out his ears.

Cry harder you fucking half wit.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:33:38pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:33:39pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

The slightly less negative view is that it’s not so much stupidity, more like vulnerability. To propaganda. To personality. To fear, and the stoking thereof.

Pretty far gone, but not too far gone.

They are racists to the core. They will respond favorably to any strong white male who assures them that they are right and people of color are demanding too much and must be put in their place. I still recall my brother casually using the term “uppity” to describe Obama and dismissing statistics that show how high maternal mortality and infant mortality in our nation compared to other first world countries because those statistics included the poor and people of color. I am sure that his attitudes were influenced by his Texas wife and their move to Texas. Propaganda definitely affects their views, but not real fear, except contempt of the other.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:34:38pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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1. He’s not complaining about the election, he’s talking about the insurrection.
2. Were you not alive for Trump’s complaining about his election over his entire presidency?

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:34:59pm
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austin_blue  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:35:37pm

re: #58 lawhawk

The political need to try and convey that we can keep schools open will run into the indisputable fact that there aren’t teachers/staff in the building due to covid, and/or students are out sick en masse due to covid.

Some schools are going remote for a couple of weeks, but there’s no intention to go remote for the school year. NYC schools will probably go remote individually, rather than as an entire system. Some schools in the DOE are seeing massive absences while others are doing far better. There are some schools that have under 20% attending, but the overall attendance is around 71%.

Travis County is back in a Cat 5 Medical Emergency, which is the equivalent of:

Battle Stations! Make turns and pitch for Flank Speed! AOOOGAH! AOOOGAH!!

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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:36:52pm
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:37:09pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:37:43pm

re: #140 No Malarkey!

Why did it take a year to hear this?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:38:11pm

re: #142 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Why did it take a year to hear this?

Great question.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:38:31pm

re: #140 No Malarkey!

NO SHIT! We all knew that at the time! I think I even remember saying, “I bet he’s only doing this because he’s being forced to.”

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:39:31pm

Yes, didn’t one of Hannity’s texts mention the 25th amendment?

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:39:46pm

re: #119 A Three Hour Tour

So, no, I’m not going to dismiss FP’s fears as paranoid fantasy. The Republicans have descended into mass insanity. In that circumstance, it’s possible that those of us who want to cling to the flotation device of a sense of lasting normality are just not being paranoid enough.

Sigh. I have no trouble with people expressing fears. I share them. What I have a problem with is that he put them out as statements of fact. Of what will happen. THESE ARE NOT FACTS. THERE ARE MANY STEPS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AND WE HAVEN’T TAKEN THEM. MANY THINGS CAN HAPPEN IN THREE YEARS. AS OF TODAY, THESE ARE PARANOID FANTASIES, NOT FACTS.

Sorry about the shouting, but I’m sick to death of all the false prophets we’re hearing from. They’ve already demonstrated that they’re not good at it. Have the honesty to say this is what you think may (or will) happen and you’ll hear no arguments from me.

Oh, and that goes for what would have happened. Which is even worse because there’s no way of ever testing it. At least with the predictions we can wait and see whether all your dreams will come true.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:39:47pm

re: #144 Dopamine Fish

Even scarier that the country was being “led” by an ignoramus who had to be steered by people lying to him about where his immediate self-interest lay.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:41:15pm

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

They are racists to the core. They will respond favorably to any strong white male who assures them that they are right and people of color are demanding too much and must be put in their place. I still recall my brother casually using the term “uppity” to describe Obama and dismissing statistics that show how high maternal mortality and infant mortality in our nation compared to other first world countries because those statistics included the poor and people of color. I am sure that his attitudes were influenced by his Texas wife and their move to Texas. Propaganda definitely affects their views, but not real fear, except contempt of the other.

Yes. This is what Citizen K referred to as ‘cultural self-interest’.

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darthstar  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:41:22pm

So…no Republicans have gotten up to talk about how it was just a bunch of tourists on Jan 6 and their Democratic colleagues are overreacting?

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:41:45pm

re: #147 jaunte

Even scarier that the country was being “led” by an ignoramus who had to be steered by people lying to him about were his immediate self-interest lay.

I thought that every day for the entire four years. The fact that we had to “be glad that there are ‘good people’ still in the White House keeping him in check” always filled me with foreboding, like, “What happens when there are no ‘good people’ left?…”

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:41:52pm

re: #140 No Malarkey!

What’s up with that guy? He always seems to have ‘breaking news’ that I never seem to see anywhere else. Never any source links, either.

I can think of 5 or 6 times I went to link to one of his breaking news stories and thought better of it.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:43:25pm

re: #151 makeitstop

What’s up with that guy? He always seems to have ‘breaking news’ that I never seem to see anywhere else. Never any source links, either.

I can think of 5 or 6 times I went to link to one of his breaking news stories and thought better of it.

He reports da news. Do you not like da news?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:43:49pm

re: #142 Punish Domestic Terrorists

re: #143 Eclectic Cyborg

I remember that. This was a hostage video. He lied and lied throughout. He didn’t do shit immediately. And he didn’t defend anything but his inability to not be adored by all. I wish nothing but bad things to happen to him.

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:44:10pm

re: #126 Belafon

How do we handle the places that are still supporting Trump:

talkingpointsmemo.com

The problem with the alternative to ‘don’t amplify’ is that America doesn’t know how to deal with white terrorists, traitors, or bad actors. I understand Josh’s point that ‘don’t amplify’ leads to just pretending that it doesn’t exist, and doesn’t diminish its strength. But putting it in the spotlight and shining a light on it doesn’t help either, because America knows only two responses to white conservative malfeasance - pretend it doesn’t exist, or make excuses for it. That’s it. The correct response - destroy it and punish it - is not something this country can do, because the central tenet of American culture is that white people cannot face consequences for their bad actions.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:44:56pm

re: #142 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Why did it take a year to hear this?

Maybe this is based on evidence being provided to the Select Committee?

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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:47:10pm

re: #149 darthstar

So…no Republicans have gotten up to talk about how it was just a bunch of tourists on Jan 6 and their Democratic colleagues are overreacting?

Gaetz and MTG were planning on walking the route taken by the patriots to commemorate the January 6 insurrection.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:48:35pm

re: #155 No Malarkey!

Maybe this is based on evidence being provided to the Select Committee?

I don’t trust that guy.

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Dangerman  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:50:49pm

until now there has not been a lot of ‘official’ push back against all the right wing framing and yammering about 1/6

for the R’s, it’s been easy to keep the big lie alive.

fortunately for us TFG is mostly muzzled.
he’s devolved into a loser who has to have someone write pathetic announcements on his behalf that someone else else has to publicize for him.
plus, apparently no one wanted to cover whatever his ‘event’ for today was gonna be.

now in the span of two days:
- garland
- biden/harris
- committee updates
etc

whether this was orchestrated, or happened more or less organically because it’s just the obvious timing, the functioning and in-charge government has started speaking.

and the numbers speak (from electoral-vote.com) - a lot of which we didnt know until now
- nearly 300 interviews, more are scheduled for January.
- at least 100 people have turned over phone records and many thousands of texts
- doj issued 5,000 subpoenas
- 2,000 devices have been seized
- 20,000 hours of video footage has been reviewed
- 15 TB of data has been examined
- 300,000 tips from citizens have been received
- 725 people have been arrested and charged (325 felonies). 145 pled guilty (20 felonies).
- 40 people face actual conspiracy charges

and there’s specific stuff we now know
- the PowerPoint presentation-
- Kericks listed the titles of the withheld dox
- Hannity’s emails…

there will be no burying, hiding, or spinning that much truth.
it cannot be waived away saying ‘it was all manufactured by the deep state’.
there’s too much of it

so if this keeps up, from tfg to lindsey, mccarthy, gaetz, massie, mtg, boebert, the 147, the spewing airheads, will more and more look like the pathetic liars that they are

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:52:51pm

Guys who look like thumbs with a face drawn on really like dying in agony.

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darthstar  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:54:06pm

re: #142 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Why did it take a year to hear this?

re: #155 No Malarkey!

Maybe this is based on evidence being provided to the Select Committee?

It’s dawning on more and more Republicans that their political futures depend in large part on how well they can separate themselves from the Trump wing of the GOP.

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darthstar  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:54:46pm

re: #159 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Guys who look like thumbs with a face drawn on really like dying in agony.

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At least he got to suffer for several weeks.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Jan 6, 2022 • 12:55:10pm

re: #142 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Why did it take a year to hear this?

Remember that video from a couple of days ago that Beau TFC put out about some news of special forces operators being ready to go in on Jan 6 to secure the capitol building. This one…

Let’s talk about newly disclosed information about the 6th….

Why did that take a year to come out? Probably same reason. If it’s true that he was being threatened with removal, what Beau describes in the video is likely part of that “removal” and it means we were much closer to a complete fucking disaster-bloodbath not to mention constitutional crisis than any of us thought and probably something worthy of keeping secret.

EDIT: Fixed video link

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Dangerman  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:01:48pm

re: #160 darthstar

It’s dawning on more and more Republicans that their political futures depend in large part on how well they can separate themselves from the Trump wing of the GOP.

it’s also dawning on them that there are far, far, far too many people involved in all aspects of this thing that they’re all gonna stay quiet

they are coming to realize that the committee and DOJ are getting a lot of cooperation, and some of it is from ‘inside’:

- The folks in Mike Pence’s orbit have been particularly accommodating, reportedly. We’ll see what Pence does.

- there were big wheels at the Willard - Giuliani, Kerik, John Eastman, Bannon. they are stonewalling. But there had to be some flunkies there too.

- like these counterparts - lower-level White House functionaries who were not a part of the plotting, but who did have access to the Oval Office on 1/6, have painted a pretty thorough picture.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:03:37pm

re: #163 Dangerman

it’s also dawning on them that there are far, far, far too many people involved in all aspects of this thing that they’re all gonna stay quiet

The #1 reason why conspiracy theorists are batshit crazy: Every actual conspiracy, of a size and scope they envision, always unravels. ALWAYS. Because when that many people are involved, it is literally impossible to keep them all quiet.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:03:43pm
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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:07:09pm

LOL.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:07:41pm

re: #62 Barefoot Grin

Man this is just such a sad story:

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I assume Fox, et al., will have breathless coverage of how this lawless person was allowed out and about, which caused this horrible tragedy.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:08:13pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

I thought that they were doing it with Cowpox scrapings at the time rather than actual smallpox, because it was similar enough to give a decent smallpox immunity?

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darthstar  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:11:49pm

Taking some quarterly courses for work and learned what the acronym USA PATRIOT Act stands for…

Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001

And now you know too…

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:13:49pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

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I still think the Cheneys are doing this because they foresee some kind of overwhelming disaster overtaking the Trumpites. It certainly isn’t because they are some kind of semi-decent, though now almost extinct, Old time Republicans. Darth is every bit as evil as Cheeto. He just isn’t as stupid, he depends less on the lowest level goobers, and he tended to direct his homicidal inclinations outside the country.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:14:44pm

re: #105 mmmirele

This is a lonnnng thread about a hearing today where grifting lawyer John Wilenchik wants off the Cyber Ninjas case because he’s not being paid. The current issue is that the Arizona Republic wants documentation and Cyber Ninjas is refusing to turn it over, in part because Cyber Ninjas basically doesn’t exist anymore. If you read the entire thread, you’ll find that the judge has found the Cyber Ninjas in contempt and a $50,000 day fine starts tomorrow. (The Arizona Republic only wanted $1000/day.)

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Wilenchik says he will be appealing to the AZ Supreme Court.

Ah, when I read Wilenchik, I figured it was Dennis, not his kid. Same firm though. They’ve been the go to firm for GOP politics in AZ for a while.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:15:28pm

re: #168 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

I thought that they were doing it with Cowpox scrapings at the time rather than actual smallpox, because it was similar enough to give a decent smallpox immunity?

Still looking, but this is some interesting information about Washington’s orders:

George Washington’s military genius is undisputed. Yet American independence must be partially attributed to a strategy for which history has given the infamous general little credit: his controversial medical actions. Traditionally, the Battle of Saratoga is credited with tipping the revolutionary scales. Yet the health of the Continental regulars involved in battle was a product of the ambitious initiative Washington began earlier that year at Morristown, close on the heels of the victorious Battle of Princeton. Among the Continental regulars in the American Revolution, 90 percent of deaths were caused by disease, and Variola the small pox virus was the most vicious of them all. (Gabriel and Metz 1992, 107)

On the 6th of January 1777, George Washington wrote to Dr. William Shippen Jr., ordering him to inoculate all of the forces that came through Philadelphia. He explained that: “Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army … we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy.” The urgency was real. Troops were scarce and encampments had turned into nomadic hospitals of festering disease, deterring further recruitment. Both Benedict Arnold and Benjamin Franklin, after surveying the havoc wreaked by Variola in the Canadian campaign, expressed fears that the virus would be the army’s ultimate downfall. (Fenn 2001, 69)

At the time, the practice of infecting the individual with a less-deadly form of the disease was widespread throughout Europe. Most British troops were immune to Variola, giving them an enormous advantage against the vulnerable colonists. (Fenn 2001, 131) Conversely, the history of inoculation in America (beginning with the efforts of the Reverend Cotton Mather in 1720) was pocked by the fear of the contamination potential of the process. Such fears led the Continental Congress to issue a proclamation in 1776 prohibiting Surgeons of the Army to inoculate.

Washington suspected the only available recourse was inoculation, yet contagion risks aside, he knew that a mass inoculation put the entire army in a precarious position should the British hear of his plans. Moreover, Historians estimate that less than a quarter of the Continental Army had ever had the virus; inoculating the remaining three quarters and every new recruit must have seemed daunting. Yet the high prevalence of disease among the army regulars was a significant deterrent to desperately needed recruits, and a dramatic reform was needed to allay their fears.

Weighing the risks, on February 5th of 1777, Washington finally committed to the unpopular policy of mass inoculation by writing to inform Congress of his plan. Throughout February, Washington, with no precedent for the operation he was about to undertake, covertly communicated to his commanding officers orders to oversee mass inoculations of their troops in the model of Morristown and Philadelphia (Dr. Shippen’s Hospital). At least eleven hospitals had been constructed by the year’s end.

Variola raged throughout the war, devastating the Native American population and slaves who had chosen to fight for the British in exchange for freedom. Yet the isolated infections that sprung up among Continental regulars during the southern campaign failed to incapacitate a single regiment. With few surgeons, fewer medical supplies, and no experience, Washington conducted the first mass inoculation of an army at the height of a war that immeasurably transformed the international system. Defeating the British was impressive, but simultaneously taking on Variola was a risky stroke of genius.

loc.gov

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dharmamark  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:17:01pm

re: #156 No Malarkey!

Did they? I’d have loved to have been on Penn Ave with a stack of snowballs…

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:23:16pm

re: #168 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

I thought that they were doing it with Cowpox scrapings at the time rather than actual smallpox, because it was similar enough to give a decent smallpox immunity?

According to a related article, they used a less virulent strain of smallpox. health.mil

Cowpox was used to create the first smallpox vaccine, a decade or so later.

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Captain Magic  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:24:30pm

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t forget the Russia factor.

Yet a lot of the so-called intelegencia still downplay Russian interference of any kind.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:26:19pm

Here’s a more definitive answer:

Washington, who had suffered from smallpox as a teenager, strongly believed in the effectiveness of inoculation and persuaded his wife to undergo the procedure in 1776 even as he forbade his troops from being inoculated, National Geographic reported.

Back then, the inoculation process was called variolation, named after the virus that causes smallpox — the variola virus.

It involved exposing people to the virus by scratching material from smallpox sores into their arms or having them inhale it, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Variolation was eventually replaced by vaccination after an English doctor named Edward Jenner noticed in 1796 that milkmaids who had gotten cowpox were immune to smallpox, according to the CDC. He guessed that exposure to cowpox could be used to protect people against smallpox and developed a vaccine.

Early on, Washington was against inoculating the troops since the British might take advantage, but he decided later to do it when they joined, so that they would be recovered when they got to combat.

statesman.com

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:27:48pm

re: #156 No Malarkey!

Gaetz and MTG were planning on walking the route taken by the patriots to commemorate the January 6 insurrection.

And break into Pelosi’s office and smear excrement on the walls to commemorate that great event.

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steve_davis  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:27:52pm

re: #8 Rightwingconspirator

As far as I’m concerned the Republican Party should be replaced. Insurrectionists and people (elected or not) that chose Trump over the law should be banned from running for any office.

There is a place for a spectrum of views here, a battle of wills over legit policy debate. The economy, the environment, the military, you name it. Dare I say it? Conservatives deserve an honest home. Without that, we don’t get an honest debate. Without that, we don’t get honest decisions.

decapitation. 1 out of 10 randomly drawn republican voters to be crucified. it would get their attention.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:29:17pm

re: #170 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

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I still think the Cheneys are doing this because they foresee some kind of overwhelming disaster overtaking the Trumpites. It certainly isn’t because they are some kind of semi-decent, though now almost extinct, Old time Republicans. Darth is every bit as evil as Cheeto. He just isn’t as stupid, he depends less on the lowest level goobers, and he tended to direct his homicidal inclinations outside the country.

Yes Cheney is evil — but a very different type of evil. He wants a GOP that would have stayed in Afghanistan forever, that would have remained in Iraq, that would be very aggressive in FP, and that would see Putin as an enemy. Trump is everything he detests when it comes to FP; he doesn’t really care about domestic issues so much. He definitely opposes a GOP that follows a Trump-type policy abroad.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:36:35pm

Jan. 6, most of us had a Doc Brown moment.

Back to the Future-Ronald Reagan

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:40:45pm

Here’s one for the good guys, for a change:

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:40:54pm

Just under 10 minutes from a Space X Star Link launch.

spacex.com

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:44:01pm

re: #181 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

I agree. Excuse me please works wonders in most cases.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:44:21pm

re: #182 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Just under 10 minutes from a Space X Star Link launch.

spacex.com

What happens when China declares them illegal space junk and starts harvesting them?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:44:46pm

re: #181 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Here’s one for the good guys, for a change:

ATTAGIRL!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:46:27pm

re: #183 PhillyPretzel

I agree. Excuse me please works wonders in most cases.

Or just wait patiently. I mean, you’re in a Walmart. If you’re in a hurry there’s dozens of other aisles, you can walk around them, or just smile and wait. It’s not that hard.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:48:55pm

re: #186 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

So true. Excuse me please gets me through crowds in Reading Terminal Market practically every time.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:50:32pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:51:05pm

Vroom without a boom.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:51:05pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

What happens when China declares them illegal space junk and starts harvesting them?

We get clearer skies.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:51:17pm

re: #168 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

I thought that they were doing it with Cowpox scrapings at the time rather than actual smallpox, because it was similar enough to give a decent smallpox immunity?

Jenner did his first cowpox inoculation in 1796.

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Jay C  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:52:30pm

re: #167 Mike Lamb

I assume Fox, et al., will have breathless coverage of how this lawless person was allowed out and about, which caused this horrible tragedy.

Missing the sarc tags?
The perp here was a 1/6 rioter, so AFA as Fox (still less the rest of the RW “news” cesspool) is concerned, officially considered a sympathetic character - either “peaceful tourist” or “dedicated patriot” or whatever - so their coverage would probably be more likely to be “Poor Emily Hernandez - driven to drink by her horrific persecution by the communistic Biden Adminstration“….
//

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:53:19pm

Meco, stage and fairing seperation

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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:54:59pm

Finding out that felons don’t get Caribbean vacations.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:57:02pm

reentry burn

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:57:14pm

re: #194 No Malarkey!

Finding out that felons don’t get Caribbean vacations.

Jesus. That would be a ballsy request even if there WASN’T a pandemic.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:58:42pm

Landing burn

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:59:33pm

101st successful landing

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2022 • 1:59:49pm

re: #194 No Malarkey!

I like Beryl.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:02:56pm

LOL

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:03:52pm

re: #178 steve_davis

decapitation. 1 out of 10 randomly drawn republican voters to be crucified. it would get their attention.

You’re thinking decimation. In which for every unit of ten… one name was drawn at random, and the other 9 in his cohort had to beat him to death.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:09:28pm

Report for misinformation until Twitter does the right thing and removes her second account.

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Captain Magic  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:14:43pm
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darthstar  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:16:24pm

re: #182 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Just under 10 minutes from a Space X Star Link launch.

spacex.com

I like watching it after the fact. Skip ahead to launch, separation, entry, stage 1 landing…

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Captain Magic  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:17:00pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

The reason why China hates Starlink is that it bypasses China’s Great Firewall if a Starlink dish gets smuggled into China.

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darthstar  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:17:54pm

re: #202 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I won’t even watch her crap. I can’t stand that woman.

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darthstar  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:18:41pm

re: #205 Captain Magic

The reason why China hates Starlink is that it bypasses China’s Great Firewall if a Starlink dish gets smuggled into China.

Put a Starlink in L2 aligned with China.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:20:50pm
209
IngisKahn  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:21:54pm

re: #207 darthstar

Put a Starlink in L2 aligned with China.

Nerd mode: that’s not how L2 works.
Anyway, Starlink already covers China, you just have to allow receivers to work from there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:22:35pm

heh

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:23:17pm

re: #207 darthstar

Put a Starlink in L2 aligned with China.

I’m very proud of myself that I remember enough physics/astronomy that I can to this day draw a map of where L1, L2, L3, L4 and L5 are located. And I can spell Lagrange.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:24:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:25:50pm
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sagehen  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:27:04pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is typically where’d I say something like Irony jumped the tracks, careened down the embankment, smashed through a circus, plowed over a mink farm and slammed into the river, where it bust into flames, rolled over, and exploded raining down flaming weasels and burning clown shrapnel over the terrorized countryside but such is that state of our nation that I can only boggle in amazement.

No question, the boy can write.

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mmmirele  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:27:40pm

re: #106 No Malarkey!

If you are going to represent grifters, you better get paid up front.

Dunno why he can’t ask daddy Dennis Wilenchik for money. Back in the day, Dennis was one of Joe Arpaio’s stooges and a special prosecutor appointed to cook up charges against the then owners of the Phoenix New Times. That turned into a huge mess and eventually, as part of the larger cleanup of Joe Arpaioxs misdeeds, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors paid out $3.75 million to the owners.

Daddy and momma own a law firm, why aren’t they helping their son?

216
Belafon  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:27:45pm

re: #207 darthstar

The only problem is that L2 is five light seconds away.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:28:32pm

re: #211 sagehen

I’m very proud of myself that I remember enough physics/astronomy that I can to this day draw a map of where L1, L2, L3, L4 and L5 are located. And I can spell Lagrange.

How about L7?

Shitlist - L7 Music Video

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:29:02pm
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Belafon  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:29:40pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So, election laws that have been in effect since the last time we crushed black people’s attempts to be part of society?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:32:31pm

I agree.

Wait…Trump IS the failed President she’s talking about, right?

/

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No Malarkey!  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:33:34pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

222
Belafon  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:33:52pm

re: #211 sagehen

I’m very proud of myself that I remember enough physics/astronomy that I can to this day draw a map of where L1, L2, L3, L4 and L5 are located. And I can spell Lagrange.

One of the things I hope to learn from following susanrigetti.com is to be able to derive those equations.

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Captain Magic  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:36:45pm

re: #220 Eclectic Cyborg

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:40:56pm
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mmmirele  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:42:10pm

re: #209 IngisKahn

Nerd mode: that’s not how L2 works.
Anyway, Starlink already covers China, you just have to allow receivers to work from there.

I was going to say that L2 is kinda far away, it’d be Internet equivalent of making a call to Australia in the 1980s-lots of waiting for thr other caller to speak. Half duplex craaazy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:42:12pm
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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:42:20pm

re: #203 Captain Magic

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Because according to that guy and his clownish cohorts, Joe Biden is a commie clusterfuck whose destroying America with “far left” policies otherwise.

Starting to really grow weary of their grift.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:42:32pm

I’m gonna bake some [pizza] pie now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:43:11pm

re: #214 sagehen

No question, the boy can write.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:45:13pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

What happens when China declares them illegal space junk and starts harvesting them?

Good question. They’ve already endangered their space station twice now iirc.

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Nojay UK  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:46:38pm

re: #211 sagehen

And I can spell Lagrange.

Home, home on Lagrange,
Where the space debris always collects,
We possess, so it seems, two of Man’s greatest dreams:
Solar power and zero-gee sex.

The L5 Song, copyright Bill Higgins and Barry Gehm.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:46:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:48:02pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:48:18pm

re: #194 No Malarkey!

Finding out that felons don’t get Caribbean vacations.

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Must have gotten a windfall to alleviate his “economic anxiety” to afford the trip.

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Dangerman  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:49:46pm

re: #220 Eclectic Cyborg

[Embedded content]

I agree.

Wait…Trump IS the failed President she’s talking about, right?

/

investigating, reporting on, and then modifying election laws is not division, nor “disgusting”

- it is recognizing what happened in all its stark ugliness.
- It is giving up all hope of a better past - one that could only be fabricated with deliberate whitewashing.

Uncovering and facing the truth is not weakness.
- It does not happen quickly.
- It does not forget.

And most of all it does not condone the past.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:51:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:54:05pm

re: #235 Dangerman

investigating, reporting on, and then modifying election laws is not division, nor “disgusting”

- it is recognizing what happened in all its stark ugliness.
- It is giving up all hope of a better past - one that could only be fabricated with deliberate whitewashing.

Uncovering and facing the truth is not weakness.
- It does not happen quickly.
- It does not forget.

And most of all it does not condone the past.

election laws in 1887 prevented her from voting, much less being governor.

women didn’t get the vote in South Dakota until 1918.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:55:48pm
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:56:32pm

Mechanical trees are a thing now. Small mass-produced co2 sequestration devices.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 2:57:47pm

thread with receipts

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2022 • 3:00:17pm
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steve_davis  Jan 6, 2022 • 3:01:59pm

an advantage to going into diabo 3 season 25 for the third time: getting to put my legendary gems into the various gems and helms of the newbie. I’m currently burning through Torment IV with a character who hasn’t cracked level 40 yet. I don’t even actually get into combat with any villains. They just die from my passive crusader defenses. (I haven’t even got any thorns working. It’s just stuff like “your character will occasionally do 2500% weapon damage through lightning.” I wish real life could be like this).

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2022 • 3:04:02pm

re: #181 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Either go around or say “excuse me”. It’s not rocket science. I bet that racist woman was suffering from a case of jealousy.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 6, 2022 • 3:20:44pm

Michael Fucking Tracey because of course. Where was he a year ago?


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