And Now, Some Deep Modern Noir From Charlie Hunter & Lucy Woodward: “Gloomy Sunday” (Feat. Miwi La Lupa)

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Charlie Hunter & Lucy Woodward - “Gloomy Sunday” feat. Miwi La Lupa
From ‘I’m a Stranger Here’ (June 2021)
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Lucy Woodward - Gloomy Sunday was originally written in 1933 in Hungarian and has made its way through different cultures, languages, wars and depressions. To me, this song is not only about the loss of someone and wanting to see them again, but also a song about grief, which is very much a part of life. Though haunting and deeply mournful, I think this is one of the most beautiful melodies ever written.

Charlie Hunter - guitar
Lucy Woodward - vocals
Miwi La Lupa - bass trumpet
Doug Belote - drums
Composed by László Jávor, Rezső Seress, Sam M. Lewis
Produced by Charlie Hunter & Lucy Woodward
Recorded by Benjy Johnson at Earthtones Recording
Mixed/Mastered by Dave McNair
Video directed by Davy Woodward
Artwork by Tuesday McKay

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LYRICS
Sunday is gloomy
My hours are slumberless
Dearest the shadows I live with are numberless
Little white flowers will never awaken you
Not where the black coach of sorrow has taken you
Angels have no thoughts of ever returning you
Would they be angry if I thought of joining you
Gloomy Sunday

Gloomy is Sunday
With shadows I spend it all
My heart and I have decided to end it all
Soon there’ll be candles and prayers that are said, I know
Let them not weep
Let them know that I’m glad to go
Gloomy Sunday

Death is no dream
For in death I’m caressing you
With the last breath of my soul I’ll be blessing you
Gloomy Sunday
Gloomy Sunday

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1
I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 11, 2022 • 8:06:17pm

I did a live set tonight.
Now online poker.
Life is Ok

FT

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retired cynic  Jan 11, 2022 • 8:18:50pm

Dadgum. My furnace has been kicking up trouble for five days now, and has finally bit the dust. It’s cold in here.

Alternatively, wear your pants to bed.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 11, 2022 • 8:25:34pm

re: #2 retired cynic

Hope you can stay warm and get things fixed/replaced quickly. ❤️

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retired cynic  Jan 11, 2022 • 8:26:21pm

re: #3 A Mom Anon

Thanks! Replacement heat exchanger ordered, but no word on when it can get here.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 11, 2022 • 8:26:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 11, 2022 • 8:28:54pm
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jaunte  Jan 11, 2022 • 8:32:14pm

This is the future Republicans want for themselves.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Jan 11, 2022 • 8:33:23pm

re: #5 Patricia Kayden

It’s retaliatory because Congress had to act to force Trump to put sanctions in place rather than just keep kissing Putin’s ass. Now that Biden is actually trying to deal with Russia as a grown up instead of just be a lapdog to Putin, Cruz is trying to undermine the whole thing and take bargaining tools out of Biden’s hands. It can possibly piss off Putin enough to start World War 3 too. Because of Cruz’s boyfriend’s feewlings.

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ckkatz  Jan 11, 2022 • 8:37:31pm

re: #6 Patricia Kayden

Iirc, Alcee Hastings died in April. It took a lawsuit to force the DeSantis administration to finally set an election date. Which they did with a delay of 9 months. About twice as long a delay as usual for Florida.

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ckkatz  Jan 11, 2022 • 8:45:35pm

I think that the reference is to 23,000 nursing vacancies statewide in Texas. (The article is paywalled.)

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2022 • 8:46:50pm

re: #10 ckkatz

Yes:

“…There are 23,000 more unfilled jobs in Texas for registered nurses than there are nurses seeking to fill them, according to a labor analysis by the Texas Workforce Commission.”
texastribune.org

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2022 • 8:49:31pm
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ckkatz  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:13:01pm

This version seems more reasonable:

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:16:55pm

re: #10 ckkatz

I think that the reference is to 23,000 nursing vacancies statewide in Texas. (The article is paywalled.)

[Embedded content]

Apparently every red state thinks that there are tens of thousands of angry, bitter plague rat nurses who are willing to totally uproot their lives and move to an entirely different state just so they don’t have to get vaccinated.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:20:04pm

re: #9 ckkatz

Iirc, Alcee Hastings died in April. It took a lawsuit to force the DeSantis administration to finally set an election date. Which they did with a delay of 9 months. About twice as long a delay as usual for Florida.

Seems to be the standard GOP tool if a Democratic seat becomes vacant early. When John Conyers was forced to resign in December 2017, the Republican governor of Michigan refused to call a special election to put someone in the seat. It took months to get a replacement:

The district came open last December, when Conyers, now 89, stepped down amid controversy over claims that he had harassed and otherwise mistreated women staffers over the years. But Gov. Rick Snyder, rather than scheduling a vote to replace him quickly, decided to leave the seat open for most of a year — scheduling a vote to fill out his final term with the regular primary and general election dates.

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mmmirele  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:27:46pm

This guy, Jim Lamon, is running for Senate from Arizona. He’s got a campaign ad out, and basically, the TV station has to run it.

Jim Lamon thinks he’s so freaking *cutesy*. *rolls eyes*

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ckkatz  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:27:53pm

Lawrence O’Donnell, on his show this evening, pointed out that there is a lot of drama and risk associated with the Atlanta speeches and the upcoming vote.

It implies:

1. That Biden and Schumer have concluded that there will be no further progress on passing more of the BBB agenda this year.

2. That they are willing to take the risk of going to the floor on the “Freedom To Vote Act” with only 48 ‘yes’ votes.

Among the risks are
a. That they may lose the vote.
b. That Manchin and/or Sinema could easily jump to the GOP due to the public pressure they are now under.
c. Which means that the Democrats might lose control of the Senate.

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mmmirele  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:30:35pm

re: #17 ckkatz

If Sinema jumps to the GOP, she’s dead to Arizona Dems. (She’s already dead to most of us anyway.) And since she can’t bring herself to say “Let’s Go Brandon,” she’s also dead to Arizona Republicans.

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:31:38pm

re: #17 ckkatz

Lawrence O’Donnell, on his show this evening, pointed out what there is a lot of drama and risk associated with the Atlanta speeches and the upcoming vote.

It implies:

1. That Biden and Schumer have concluded that there will be no further progress on passing more of the BBB agenda this year.

2. That they are willing to take the risk of going to the floor on the “Freedom To Vote Act” with only 48 ‘yes’ votes.

Among the risks are
a. That they may lose the vote.
b. That Manchin and/or Sinema could easily jump to the GOP due to the public pressure they are now under.
c. Which means that the Democrats might lose control of the Senate.

Political seppuku.

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A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:37:47pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

Nope. Seppuku was to restore honor. They have none.

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ckkatz  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:39:52pm

re: #18 mmmirele

re: #19 Targetpractice

I agree with both of you. And that their names will be Mudd.

The concern I have is that, because of their actions, democracy here could end up as dead as their reputations.

By the way Rep Clyburn was also on the O’Donnell show and noted that Manchin wrote the Freedom to Vote Act, as passed by the House. If Manchin votes against it, he is voting against his own bill.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:41:13pm

So, megaphone guy at the Jan 6 break in knew about the counterfeit electoral votes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:43:14pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

Political seppuku.

Maybe. But there are precedents of Senators switching parties and thereby switching control. The Biden presidency is dead if this happens. Not a single piece of legislation or appointment will be approved, unless the Democrats can find GOP senators willing to switch parties.

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ckkatz  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:45:21pm

re: #23 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe. But there are precedents of Senators switching parties and thereby switching control. The Biden presidency is dead if this happens. Not a single piece of legislation or appointment will be approved, unless the Democrats can find GOP senators willing to switch parties.

I have no doubt that Biden and Schumer (and Pelosi) are well aware of this and willing to accept the risk. That alone is quite a statement of how seriously they view this.

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:47:37pm

re: #23 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe. But there are precedents of Senators switching parties and thereby switching control. The Biden presidency is dead if this happens. Not a single piece of legislation or appointment will be approved, unless the Democrats can find GOP senators willing to switch parties.

I keep hearing sentiments to this effect and they keep being virtually the only argument left at this point for humoring these assholes. If they jump, they jump, but they will do so knowing that their political careers will effectively be over. They won’t be able to run in 2024 on the argument that they’re the best the GQP can hope to elect in their states.

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ckkatz  Jan 11, 2022 • 9:54:52pm

G’Nite and sweet lizard dreams to all. Time for me to hit the sack.

A thought for the morrow:
“Remember, a bird in the hand is safer than two overhead.”

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ckkatz  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:09:21pm

Oops, one last tweet I meant to post:

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Captain Ron  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:24:26pm

Hmmmm, I have (wear) t-shirts that are 50 years old, is that unusual?

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Captain Ron  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:26:20pm

To be honest, I think my oldest is 50 years old in 7 months.

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sagehen  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:28:19pm

re: #11 jaunte

Yes:

“…There are 23,000 more unfilled jobs in Texas for registered nurses than there are nurses seeking to fill them, according to a labor analysis by the Texas Workforce Commission.”
texastribune.org

when NY had a nursing shortage early in the pandemic, 30,000 out-of-staters showed up. They were happy to be here.

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:28:34pm

Let me put it this way: If you had a coworker who, every time the office has a debate about a subject, went up to the roof and threatened to jump unless he got his way, how long would you continue to humor him? Maybe at the start when the disagreements are small like what’s for lunch or what color the banners at the office Christmas party should be. But if the subject turns to things that actually have long-term impacts, like what health provider to go with or whether to raise wages rather than offer bonuses, how long before you called his bluff? Either he jumps and he ceases to be an impediment or he comes down off the roof and you cease taking it seriously when he starts heading for the roof access door.

tl;dr: Call Manchin’s bluff and see if he has the balls to leave the party. If he does, then he’s gone after 2024. It he doesn’t, then start treating him like the whiny little fuck he actually is.

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Captain Ron  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:30:25pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

I still say, “sink his boat.”

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Captain Ron  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:32:08pm

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Captain Ron  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:35:03pm

I’ve gone on drunken excessive-speed joy-rides on bigger, better yachts than that. I will deny every word of that in a court of law.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:35:44pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

Actually, Manchin doesn’t really have to leave the party. He just has to say no all the time.

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:36:48pm

re: #35 Belafon

Actually, Manchin doesn’t really have to leave the party. He just has to say no all the time.

And that’s why it’s ridiculous that we keep having these screaming fits about his leaving the party. He’s not gonna do it, so let’s cease with this prattling about this vote or that decision could be the one that finally “pushes him over the edge.” If he needs a kick in the ass to go over the ledge, then he’s not gonna jump.

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sagehen  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:37:05pm

neither Manchin nor Sinema is up this year.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:38:09pm

peace and good night.

All is not lost, but the struggle is real.

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:38:25pm

re: #37 sagehen

neither Manchin nor Sinema is up this year.

They’re up in 2024. Which arguably is gonna be more significant because if Biden is running for reelection, then the two assholes who’ve done the most to handicap his presidency will have a hard time convincing the party to give them another term.

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Captain Ron  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:52:49pm

He’s still a kid, he has color in his beard. I’m a white beard! Hey, “White beard, the pirate!”

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:54:27pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

They’re up in 2024. Which arguably is gonna be more significant because if Biden is running for reelection, then the two assholes who’ve done the most to handicap his presidency will have a hard time convincing the party to give them another term.

But a more progressive candidate will never win West Virginia. The Democrats are not going to switch there because as bad as he is, any Republican would be far worse than Manchin. Sinema, OTOH, certainly can easily be replaced; she knows that her type of eccentricities would not endear her to the modern Republican base and that she may have damaged her opportunities for re-election as a Democrat. She could switch in a fit of pique.

Of course, it speaks ill of the character of Romney, Collins, Murkowski, Sasse, and a few others who are somewhat sane that they remain in the modern GOP.

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Captain Ron  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:56:19pm

re: #41 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s possible for a liberal to win when coal miners think Manchin sides with the owners over them. A Republican would be the same, they might as well go with a liberal.

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stpaulbear  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:57:05pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

Apparently every red state thinks that there are tens of thousands of angry, bitter plague rat nurses who are willing to totally uproot their lives and move to an entirely different state just so they don’t have to get vaccinated.

An audiophile Youtuber that I liked gleefully moved his family to TX just as things were going south. In no time at all, everyone in the family got very sick with covid, and he’s pretty much dissapeared from posting. He hasn’t really recovered yet.

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2022 • 10:58:59pm

re: #41 Hecuba’s daughter

But a more progressive candidate will never win West Virginia. The Democrats are not going to switch there because as bad as he is, any Republican would be far worse than Manchin. Sinema, OTOH, certainly can easily be replaced; she knows that her type of eccentricities would not endear her to the modern Republican base and that she may have damaged her opportunities for re-election as a Democrat. She could switch in a fit of pique.

Of course, it speaks ill of the character of Romney, Collins, Murkowski, Sasse, and a few others who are somewhat sane that they remain in the modern GOP.

How? I mean at this very moment, how is he different from the assholes like Romney or Collins? Because of the (D) next to his name when he shows up on TV or in the dead tree media to whine about how mean the rest of the party is to him because he wants to fuck over the poors and they think that’s wrong?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2022 • 11:13:51pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

How? I mean at this very moment, how is he different from the assholes like Romney or Collins? Because of the (D) next to his name when he shows up on TV or in the dead tree media to whine about how mean the rest of the party is to him because he wants to fuck over the poors and they think that’s wrong?

Because he votes to keep Schumer as Senate Majority Leader. Because, with a couple rare exceptions, he has voted to approve all Biden nominations. If McConnell became Majority Leader, not a single judge would be approved for the remainder of the Biden administration, just as he did to Obama.

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sagehen  Jan 11, 2022 • 11:19:01pm

Also, the majority party chairs all the committees and decides if or when to hold hearings.

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2022 • 11:19:57pm

re: #45 Hecuba’s daughter

Because he votes to keep Schumer as Senate Majority Leader. Because, with a couple rare exceptions, he has voted to approve all Biden nominations. If McConnell became Majority Leader, not a single judge would be approved for the remainder of the Biden administration, just as he did to Obama.

And there’s the rub: Judges are not going to win us the midterms. Crying that without the majority, we can’t seat judges means jack shit to the 36 million families who no longer have the Child Tax Credit because Manchin stalled the BBB so long that the party has given up on it. Same with all the other items that either won’t get passed now or were extracted months ago (to great fanfare) to appease his bad faith “concerns.” That fuckhead may have cost us the midterms, possibly even the presidency in 2 years time, but Zod forbid he leave the party because we won’t be able to seat any more judges.

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sagehen  Jan 11, 2022 • 11:23:23pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

but Zod forbid he leave the party because we won’t be able to seat any more judges.

Right. It’s not like judges mean anything, just ask the people who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary because “don’t try to blackmail me with judges”.

It’s not like Gorsuch, or Kavanaugh or Coney Barrett are going to have any effect on any of our lives.

FFS

//

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2022 • 11:32:53pm

re: #48 sagehen

Right. It’s not like judges mean anything, just ask the people who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary because “don’t try to blackmail me with judges”.

It’s not like Gorsuch, or Kavanaugh or Coney Barrett are going to have any effect on any of our lives.

FFS

//

I like the idea that voters are idealistic, high-minded individuals who put the needs of others and the nation as a whole above themselves as much as the next person, but the reality is most voters are materialistic, self-centered assholes who want to know what’s in it for themselves. Hence why items like “inflation” and “health care/pandemic” are higher up on most polls of voter priorities than “judges.”

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ericblair  Jan 12, 2022 • 12:02:21am

Gee, I wonder why billionaires love Russia so much. But you’re not supposed to make it this obvious.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2022 • 12:04:55am

re: #50 ericblair

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Gee, I wonder why billionaires love Russia so much. But you’re not supposed to make it this obvious.

A fool and their money…

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Captain Ron  Jan 12, 2022 • 12:25:17am

re: #51 Targetpractice

A fool and their money…

YouTube

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 12:28:47am

re: #50 ericblair

[Embedded content]

Gee, I wonder why billionaires love Russia so much. But you’re not supposed to make it this obvious.

Tax and investor haven.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2022 • 12:56:51am

There’s a certain type of amusing pleasure in reading science and tech mags from the 1990s and 2000s and seeing just how far off the mark so many predictions were. Or the reverse of that, when certain techs that ended up dominating the world were still in their infancy and (sometimes) written off.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 1:07:57am

re: #54 Targetpractice

I remember seeing Star Wars when it came out and wondering if, fifty years later, it would look as silly and dated as the 1930’s Buck Rogers films. But they have held up well, pretty much setting the standard for animation.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2022 • 1:13:43am

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember seeing Star Wars when it came out and wondering if, fifty years later, it would look as silly and dated as the 1930’s Buck Rogers films. But they have held up well, pretty much setting the standard for animation.

The same could be said for Jurassic Park, which holds up really well even to this day due to the reliance on practical effects versus CGI.

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Captain Ron  Jan 12, 2022 • 1:40:11am

YouTube

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 12, 2022 • 1:45:43am

.

Youtube Video

..

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Captain Ron  Jan 12, 2022 • 1:58:06am

YouTube

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Dangerman  Jan 12, 2022 • 3:26:50am

Wtaf?

U.S. Senate candidate Herschel Walker (R) “will not say whether he has been vaccinated. But in Walker’s mind, he may not need the shot,” the Daily Beast reports.

“That’s because, months before the vaccine was available, Walker was swearing by—and encouraging others to use—unproven mystery treatments, including an allegedly FDA-approved ‘dry mist’ that will ‘kill any COVID on your body.’”

if we had a functioning media:

* He couldn’t make a public appearance without being asked what the name of this FDA approved product is;

* FDA spokespeople would be asked every day to comment, explaining that it is illegal to make public claims that the agency has approved products or treatments when it has not;

* Consumer protection agencies would begin launching lawsuits against Walker demanding public retraction to protect public safety.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 3:37:45am

re: #60 Dangerman

Wtaf?

if we had a functioning media:

We would never have gotten Trump for President in 2016.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 12, 2022 • 4:01:42am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 4:49:08am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We would never have gotten Trump for President in 2016.

We have a functioning media. It is not our friend. Find a way to render it harmless.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:06:39am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:08:37am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

We have a functioning media. It is not our friend. Find a way to render it harmless.

In functions in the sense of making a profit, just not in the sense of informing us to make objective decisions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:10:29am

So I guess the latest anti-vaxxer scam on line is to encourage people to take testosterone treatments (the kind that women would take who want to transition to becoming men)

Somebody is really trolling here…

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William Lewis  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:12:14am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

We have a functioning media. It is not our friend. Find a way to render it harmless.

It’s the same kind of media that has always existed in America: for profit, politically biased and presented at the level of the lowest common denominator that they can use. Read some of the papers from, say, the Adams/Jefferson election sometime for a reminder.

Murrow presented a fantasy of media but despite his efforts, it’s never really existed.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:15:35am

re: #64 Belafon

It’s also a function of testing - we have more testing. Hospitalizations and ICU and deaths are a good gauge of how bad this wave is, and it’s still plenty bad.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:16:00am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In functions in the sense of making a profit, just not in the sense of informing us to make objective decisions.

The function of the media is to sell dick pills, laundry detergent, and luxury cars. Always was. Media that don’t do those things become Ramparts or The Catholic Worker.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:22:38am

re: #69 Decatur Deb

The function of the media is to sell dick pills, laundry detergent, and luxury cars. Always was. Media that don’t do those things become Ramparts or The Catholic Worker.

and that is why they worked so hard to help give us a Reality TV Star President because he was 24/7 ratings gold.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:23:47am

re: #68 lawhawk

It’s also a function of testing - we have more testing. Hospitalizations and ICU and deaths are a good gauge of how bad this wave is, and it’s still plenty bad.

We had it as a by-product for a while until Reagan when the major networks did not run their news departments as profit centers but instead focused on building a reputation for integrity and balance.

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jeffreyw  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:37:01am

Good morning!

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:37:43am

re: #69 Decatur Deb

The function of the media is to sell dick pills, laundry detergent, and luxury cars. Always was. Media that don’t do those things become Ramparts or The Catholic Worker.

no, not “always was”.

In the days before radio, the function of newspapers was to sell newspapers. And in cities with multiple newspapers, to sway an audience to a particular political view. Advertising was a minor extra.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:40:21am

re: #73 sagehen

no, not “always was”.

In the days before radio, the function of newspapers was to sell newspapers. And in cities with multiple newspapers, to sway an audience to a particular political view. Advertising was a minor extra.

Selling a politician (or a war) instead of a dick pill. The function was never to foster truth.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:47:14am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So I guess the latest anti-vaxxer scam on line is to encourage people to take testosterone treatments (the kind that women would take who want to transition to becoming men)

Somebody is really trolling here…

And it was only yesterday that they were pushing T-blockers, which have the exact opposite effect. Guess someone clued them in on growing a pair of bewbs after taking them. Silly boys don’t know what they’re missing.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:50:27am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:55:06am

re: #76 lawhawk

And a pile of the “anxiety” is the GOP and media fanning it since it’s a Democratic administration.

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:55:20am

re: #74 Decatur Deb

Selling a politician (or a war) instead of a dick pill. The function was never to foster truth.

Thomas Paine, the Liberator, etc. They made every effort to foster truth.

Back then, newspapers and magazines were the way people purchased information.

But with the advent of electronic media, suddenly you can’t charge an audience for your product. Suddenly, you had to find a way to make the audience the product, programming was a way to accumulate eyes and ears that you’d sell to advertisers.

Cable TV, or at least the movie channels, is a return to old-school “sell programming to the audience.” Broadcast can’t do that; so they have to make their money by selling the audience.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:55:56am

Dilema: three of my son’s friends have tested positive. The hardest part is I’m in Texas, and the earliest I can find a test is tomorrow, and the only place I can walk in is at 8:30, and we don’t know how long the line will be. But he’s not showing any symptoms. And it’s Texas. The schools have basically dropped their support for remote learning.

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:59:20am

re: #76 lawhawk

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Let me just point out that if wages and prices are increasing at approximately the same rate, this is a GOOD thing for debtors.

Mortgages. Student loans. Piled-up credit card debt. People with variable-rates and balloon payments are screwed, but if your loans are at a set interest rate, inflation benefits you.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:00:17am

re: #10 ckkatz

I think that the reference is to 23,000 nursing vacancies statewide in Texas. (The article is paywalled.)

Wait, I thought that there would be a massive influx of antivaxxer nurses from blue states!/

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:01:28am

re: #81 No Malarkey!

Wait, I thought that there would be a massive influx of antivaxxer nurses from blue states!/

Then they found out they’d have to root for the Cowboys.

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:04:37am

re: #82 Decatur Deb

Then they found out they’d have to root for the Cowboys.

In the cold. In the dark.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:06:42am

re: #82 Decatur Deb

Then they found out they’d have to root for the Cowboys.

Not here on the DFW area. They coukd root for any team. We don’t really care.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:06:43am

re: #81 No Malarkey!

Not only is Abbott insisting the feds help with the crisis of health care workers shortages across Texas thanks to covid, but their delusional belief that people would flock to his state (or Florida) because they were no longer working in blue states with health care worker mandates was just asnine.

As we repeatedly see, mandates work and the numbers of people who adhere to the mandates are above 95% - Mayo Clinic was above 99%. But media outlets take a few people raising a ruckus and extrapolate that as though it’s a huge number, when it’s a fraction of a percent of the workforce, and most people are following mandate rules.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:07:16am

re: #83 sagehen

In the cold. In the dark.

Comidas buenas, though.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:09:16am
Inflation plowed ahead at its fastest 12-month pace in nearly 40 years during December, according to a closely watched gauge the Labor Department released Wednesday.

The consumer price index, a gauge that measures costs across dozens of items, increased 7%, according to the department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics. On a monthly basis, CPI increased 0.5%.

Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had been expecting the measure to increase 7% on an annual basis and 0.4% from November.

The annual move was the fastest increase since June 1982.

Despite the strong gain, stock market futures rose following the news while government bond yields were mostly negative.

Excluding food and energy prices, so-called core CPI increased 5.5% year over year and 0.6% from the previous month. That compared to estimates of 5.4% and 0.5%. For core inflation, it was the largest annual growth since February 1991.

Is this why I can’t get cream cheese!?!?!!?
cnbc.com

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:11:15am

re: #86 Decatur Deb

Comidas buenas, though.

En California también. No necessitas Tejas para comida Mexicana, o venezolana o Argentina o Columbiana.

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Mattand  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:12:45am

re: #85 lawhawk

Not only is Abbott insisting the feds help with the crisis of health care workers shortages across Texas thanks to covid, but their delusional belief that people would flock to his state (or Florida) because they were no longer working in blue states with health care worker mandates was just asnine.

As we repeatedly see, mandates work and the numbers of people who adhere to the mandates are above 95% - Mayo Clinic was above 99%. But media outlets take a few people raising a ruckus and extrapolate that as though it’s a huge number, when it’s a fraction of a percent of the workforce, and most people are following mandate rules.

Abbot can’t get medical staff to help with the COVID surge and he can’t keep the power running, yet if he’s eligible for re-election, he’ll easily win.

That’s the shit that depresses me.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:13:26am

re: #80 sagehen

Let me just point out that if wages and prices are increasing at approximately the same rate, this is a GOOD thing for debtors.

Mortgages. Student loans. Piled-up credit card debt. People with variable-rates and balloon payments are screwed, but if your loans are at a set interest rate, inflation benefits you.

Somehow it wasn’t a crisis when we went years with inflation well below the Fed’s 2% target, and as a result millions languished in unemployment.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:14:56am

re: #88 sagehen

En California también. No necessitas Tejas para comida Mexicana, o venezolana o Argentina o Columbiana.

Our town has a horrible taqueria, had a Puerto Rican place until Hurricane Michael wrecked it. We get by with a small-chain “Mexican” grill.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:15:01am

re: #89 Mattand

Abbot can’t get medical staff to help with the COVID surge and he can’t keep the power running, yet if he’s eligible for re-election, he’ll easily win.

That’s the shit that depresses me.

I hope you are wrong about that. Here in deep red Kentucky we managed to vote a terrible GOP Governor out of office in 2019.

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jeffreyw  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:17:10am

re: #87 Shropshire Slasher

Is this why I can’t get cream cheese!?!?!!?
cnbc.com

I couldn’t find any yellow onions for my gumbo. Made do with sweet onions.

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Egregious Philbin  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:20:13am

Wow, I just heard Trump’s interview on NPR…he really went full nutter. Great job by the interviewer to press him and refute his blatant lies about the “stolen election”. TFG is clearly Non Compos Mentis…

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:21:03am

The CEO of Moderna says in this interview that they have a full supply of vaccines for the world, and the problem with getting poor countries vaccinated is a lack of staff and infrastructure at the point of getting shots in arms. Antivaccine misinformation probably doesn’t help. news.yahoo.com

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:25:40am

re: #93 jeffreyw

I couldn’t find any yellow onions for my gumbo. Made do with sweet onions.

We had the same issue yesterday. Had vidalia with chili. It was pretty good (though at the time I somehow called them “Valdosta” onions).

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:26:27am

Ted Cruz wants SCOTUS to make it even easier to bribe elected officials, and it wouldn’t be particularly surprising if they do. vox.com

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:27:01am

re: #94 Egregious Philbin

Wow, I just heard Trump’s interview on NPR…he really went full nutter. Great job by the interviewer to press him and refute his blatant lies about the “stolen election”. TFG is clearly Non Compos Mentis…

I read part of the transcript until I realized I was reading it in his f’ing voice and so I stopped. It was crazy, though. “what about vaccines?” “let me tell you about how terrible mandates are.”

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Dangerman  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:30:04am

This is so much smarter and easier than getting vaccinated

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:31:24am

re: #99 Dangerman

This is so much smarter and easier than getting vaccinated

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So much freedumb!

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(((Archangel1)))  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:32:49am

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:34:06am
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Dangerman  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:36:39am

re: #93 jeffreyw

I couldn’t find any yellow onions for my gumbo. Made do with sweet onions.

The horror!

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Dangerman  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:40:55am

re: #80 sagehen

Let me just point out that if wages and prices are increasing at approximately the same rate, this is a GOOD thing for debtors.

Mortgages. Student loans. Piled-up credit card debt. People with variable-rates and balloon payments are screwed, but if your loans are at a set interest rate, inflation benefits you.

,……..

Im reading December consumer prices up 7% from a year earlier, and wage growth was up only 4.7% over the same period.

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darthstar  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:41:43am

re: #99 Dangerman

This is so much smarter and easier than getting vaccinated

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Makes it tough to watch the TV.

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Dangerman  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:43:15am

re: #94 Egregious Philbin

Wow, I just heard Trump’s interview on NPR…he really went full nutter. Great job by the interviewer to press him and refute his blatant lies about the “stolen election”. TFG is clearly Non Compos Mentis…

Apparently he got pissed and hung up

After [steve] Inskeep told the ex-president that his fraud claims have repeatedly been proven false, the reporter asked Trump if he’ll refuse to endorse any Republican candidates who dispute his lies about the 2020 election.”

“Then, Trump ended the call.”

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steve_davis  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:44:27am

re: #40 Dread Pirate Ron

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He’s still a kid, he has color in his beard. I’m a white beard! Hey, “White beard, the pirate!”

You have color in your hair as well. Cafe con leche. Emphasis on leche.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:47:27am

re: #104 Dangerman

,……..

Im reading December consumer prices up 7% from a year earlier, and wage growth was up only 4.7% over the same period.

That tracks. We can never have wages increase at the same rate as inflation. Pay people more? Why should we do that?

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:48:44am

re: #31 Targetpractice

tl;dr: Call Manchin’s bluff and see if he has the balls to leave the party. If he does, then he’s gone after 2024. It he doesn’t, then start treating him like the whiny little fuck he actually is.

Manchin is on a power trip and he won’t be able to enjoy that if he goes to the dark side, where he will be just one minion among many.

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darthstar  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:48:48am

re: #88 sagehen

En California también. No necessitas Tejas para comida Mexicana, o venezolana o Argentina o Columbiana.

Yo hice carne asada con tortillas de masa anteanoche.

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steve_davis  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:49:17am

re: #73 sagehen

no, not “always was”.

In the days before radio, the function of newspapers was to sell newspapers. And in cities with multiple newspapers, to sway an audience to a particular political view. Advertising was a minor extra.

As a former newspaper worker, I can say with absolute certainty the purpose of a newspaper is to sell advertising space, which it does by creating readers. But the price you pay to buy a newspaper basically covers the cost of paying people to drive or bike around distributing it. It doesn’t even cover the cost of the paper or ink.

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Dangerman  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:50:54am
Let me ask you this question. How come Biden couldn’t attract 20 people for a crowd? How come when he went to speak in different locations, nobody came to watch, but all of a sudden he got 80 million votes? Nobody believes that, Steve. Nobody believes that.”

So pathetic
So clueless

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:50:56am

re: #33 Dread Pirate Ron

That is one fugly boat but Betsy DeVos’s boat is even fuglier.

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darthstar  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:51:02am

re: #106 Dangerman

Apparently he got pissed and hung up

Mr Trump, our audience is better educated than that of your friends on Fox. Forgive us for asking simple questions.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:51:58am

re: #106 Dangerman

Apparently he got pissed and hung up

Manchild.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:53:49am

re: #33 Dread Pirate Ron

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:55:24am

re: #60 Dangerman

Wtaf?

if we had a functioning media:

* He couldn’t make a public appearance without being asked what the name of this FDA approved product is;

* FDA spokespeople would be asked every day to comment, explaining that it is illegal to make public claims that the agency has approved products or treatments when it has not;

* Consumer protection agencies would begin launching lawsuits against Walker demanding public retraction to protect public safety.

Axe Body Spray

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darthstar  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:56:22am

Nice of TFG to name-drop McConnell…

In the interview with NPR, he partially blamed Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell for Rounds and other senators feeling as though they can speak out and say — correctly — that Trump lost the election.

“Because Mitch McConnell is a loser,” Trump said.

npr.org

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:56:59am

re: #102 Belafon

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with approximately 1/10 our population.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:57:24am

re: #112 Dangerman

So pathetic
So clueless

Because unlike your rabid frothing followers, Biden’s voters aren’t idiots, and STAYED THE FUCK HOME and watched on TV like intelligent, rational, and compassionate adults.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:57:49am

re: #73 sagehen

no, not “always was”.

In the days before radio, the function of newspapers was to sell newspapers. And in cities with multiple newspapers, to sway an audience to a particular political view. Advertising was a minor extra.

Newspapers have always been about getting your eyeballs to ads. They were cheap before because they could run so many ads. Now, with advertisers being able to show on the internet, newspapers are relatively expensive compared to their content.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 6:58:22am

re: #75 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

And it was only yesterday that they were pushing T-blockers, which have the exact opposite effect. Guess someone clued them in on growing a pair of bewbs after taking them. Silly boys don’t know what they’re missing.

Ah, that’s what it was…look at me SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT COVID.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:00:20am

re: #76 lawhawk

Moreover, a significant chunk of “anxiety” about inflation is tied to gas prices.

As more people drive, prices are going up due to… *gas* supply and demand, and supply is tight thanks to OPEC. Even with US production maxing out, prices are high b/c people are driving more.

It’s about what people feel. And rural people drive farther and have fewer other options.

But Fox does not explain gas prices in terms of supply and demand, they explain them in terms of why Joe Biden is responsible for it by giving away so much free money…

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:00:45am

re: #111 steve_davis

As a former newspaper worker, I can say with absolute certainty the purpose of a newspaper is to sell advertising space, which it does by creating readers. But the price you pay to buy a newspaper basically covers the cost of paying people to drive or bike around distributing it. It doesn’t even cover the cost of the paper or ink.

That’s because all your newspaper work was within the generations that had TV and radio. In the pre-electronic days, newspapers existed to sell newspapers. Very few ads in the 19th century press.

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ericblair  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:01:10am

Wow, total shocker. He also looks like the model of physical health, so weird.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:01:41am

re: #75 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

T-Blockers, urine, and Viagra, oh my!

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:02:26am

We managed to get i to the one place doing rapid tests, which is also the one place you can get monoclonal antibody treatments if you are positive. They told us we would receive positive results by email in about an hour, otherwise by the end of the day. So we’re going to wait 1.5 hours and if we don’t receive anything, send him to school.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:04:06am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:04:15am

re: #124 sagehen

That’s because all your newspaper work was within the generations that had TV and radio. In the pre-electronic days, newspapers existed to sell newspapers. Very few ads in the 19th century press.

To that extent they resemble The Catholic Worker—no ads, just ideology. (Still costs $.01 for symbolic and nostalgic reasons. They ask us to cover the postage.)

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darthstar  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:05:17am

re: #75 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

And it was only yesterday that they were pushing T-blockers, which have the exact opposite effect. Guess someone clued them in on growing a pair of bewbs after taking them. Silly boys don’t know what they’re missing.

When we were kids and we wanted to dare someone (jump 35 feet out of a tree into the lake…you know, fun stuff), we’d shout, “Grow tits, cowboy!”

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:09:37am

re: #99 Dangerman

This is so much smarter and easier than getting vaccinated

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Getting vaccinated would help Biden achieve his goals. Keeping the pandemic raging in this country harms him. Clear strategy.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:11:47am

Boston Globe asks: How come Biden’s voters don’t worship him the way Trump’s voters do???
The answer which BG does not provide: Biden’s voters are not a cult of brainwashed morons.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:12:25am

re: #131 Hecuba’s daughter

Getting vaccinated would help Biden achieve his goals. Keeping the pandemic raging in this country harms him. Clear strategy.

“Any man’s death diminishes me”. Them, not so much.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:14:17am

re: #72 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:15:09am

We’re both negative.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:15:25am

re: #112 Dangerman

So pathetic
So clueless

Neither pathetic nor clueless. His supporters believe that and will happily regurgitate those lies. “How could someone who spent the campaign hiding in his basement win the election when Trump had all those enthusiastic rallies?” A deranged supporter of his argued with me on FB that Biden got only 70 million votes to Trump’s 75 million. And let’s not forget BernieBros who claimed the 2016 election was stolen because Bernie also inspired that level of enthusiasm among his base.

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A Cranky One  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:15:29am

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:15:59am

re: #135 Belafon

We’re both negative.

Feeling a little grumpy myself.

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A Cranky One  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:17:07am

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:18:53am

re: #139 A Cranky One

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I’m in this photo and I don’t like it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:20:08am

re: #132 The Pie Overlord!

Boston Globe asks: How come Biden’s voters don’t worship him the way Trump’s voters do???
The answer which BG does not provide: Biden’s voters are not a cult of brainwashed morons.

I have not heard Biden say he would pay lawyer’s fees for people who beat up hecklers, I have not seen him mocking handicapped reporters who have criticized him, I have not heard him call the press the enemy of the people, I have not heard him tell everyone how brilliant and well loved he is and how big and bee-yootiful everything he touches is going to turn out.

Really, what’s wrong with him?

/

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:24:16am

re: #102 Belafon

According to the JHU Covid website, Poland is only 56% fully vaccinated. For comparison, the U.S. is over 63% fully vaccinated. coronavirus.jhu.edu

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:28:01am

re: #121 Belafon

Newspapers have always been about getting your eyeballs to ads. They were cheap before because they could run so many ads. Now, with advertisers being able to show on the internet, newspapers are relatively expensive compared to their content.

Actually, they made their money from the classified ads. It was craigslist and the like that killed their revenue source, well before commercial ads started getting hit.

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A Cranky One  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:28:21am

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steve_davis  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:31:48am

re: #7 jaunte

This is the future Republicans want for themselves.

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china has really done themselves in here. their bigger prize would be taiwan, and based on their string of broken promises in hong kong, there is no effing way taiwan will ever allow itself to be peacefully absorbed back into mainland china.

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A Cranky One  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:33:03am

LGF musicians, this thread has everything.

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A Cranky One  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:34:41am

re: #146 A Cranky One

Sample;

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Thanos  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:35:55am

PSA:
It’s that time of year when you need to go to your digital music library, sort by Genre, & uncheck all of those Holiday songs.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:36:35am

re: #142 No Malarkey!

According to the JHU Covid website, Poland is only 56% fully vaccinated. For comparison, the U.S. is over 63% fully vaccinated. coronavirus.jhu.edu

Poland’s overall death rate is just a little worse than ours. Both nations have failed in getting their populations fully vaccinated. Given the widespread antivax attitude of so many, future prospects of controlling the pandemic do not look promising. The only hope is that it mimics the Spanish flu and magically disappears.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:43:23am

It’s a fugly omelet kind of day.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:50:50am

re: #142 No Malarkey!

According to the JHU Covid website, Poland is only 56% fully vaccinated. For comparison, the U.S. is over 63% fully vaccinated. coronavirus.jhu.edu

Alabama: 48%
My county: 42%

All pestilence is local.

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Thanos  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:52:48am

re: #79 Belafon

Dilema: three of my son’s friends have tested positive. The hardest part is I’m in Texas, and the earliest I can find a test is tomorrow, and the only place I can walk in is at 8:30, and we don’t know how long the line will be. But he’s not showing any symptoms. And it’s Texas. The schools have basically dropped their support for remote learning.

Sounds like a good day for him to call in sick, I prescribe some popcorn and a few classic movies for education while you sort the testing out.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:53:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:54:59am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

Kentucky:
63.1% one dose
54.7% fully vaxxed

my county:
42% one dose
36.9% fully vaxxed

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steve_davis  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:55:13am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So I guess the latest anti-vaxxer scam on line is to encourage people to take testosterone treatments (the kind that women would take who want to transition to becoming men)

Somebody is really trolling here…

i wonder if anyone will mention that boosting testosterone causes men’s balls to shrink.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 12, 2022 • 7:55:28am

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Alabama: 48%
My county: 42%

My state: 68%
My county: 77%

(Both numbers are for 5+ years fully vaccinated.)

This is reflected in our case data: Infections are skyrocketing, higher than at any point during the rest of the pandemic, but hospitalizations and deaths have been on a downturn. While we’re not the most vaccinated place in the nation, and I’m definitely still taking as many precautions as I can, Mrs. Fish and I were able to go out this past weekend and enjoy a movie without being too worried.

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Nojay UK  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:00:08am

re: #149 Hecuba’s daughter

Poland’s overall death rate is just a little worse than ours. .

I think that by the end of this, when COVID-19 disappears below the fold in the news, that the death rates per capita of many countries will be about the same, give or take. There may be some standout exceptions like lockdown China or isolationist New Zealand or let-it-rip Brazil but generally large countries with decent healthcare are currently running around 2,500 deaths per million population. Most of those reported deaths are of vulnerable older people, the ones with co-morbidities and less physical reserves to call on when they get sick.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:00:36am

My state pension is not well funded, but at least its moving in the right direction, up 2.5 points from 2020-2021. Fortunately Kentucky state government is flush with cash, and committed to fully funding the pension system, since its illegal for them to bankrupt it away as Mitch McConnell suggested.

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Teukka  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:01:18am

re: #147 A Cranky One

Sample;

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My faves are a tie between “Cute but frightening” or “molto badass”

Ignore the title on this one:

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:03:11am
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:03:13am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:03:43am

Here is the entire interview before TFG hung up. It’s worth listening to even if you hate TFG’s nasal, grating, whiny voice repeating his stupid lies talking points “if you look at this, if you look at that, if you look up your ass” blah blah blah.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:04:59am

re: #157 Nojay UK

..Most of those reported deaths are of vulnerable older people, the ones with co-morbidities and less physical reserves to call on when they get sick.

Utilitarian wet dream.

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:05:14am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kentucky:
63.1% one dose
54.7% fully vaxxed

my county:
42% one dose
36.9% fully vaxxed

NYC:

85.5% one dose
72.6% fully vaxxed

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:05:48am

Dinesh D’Felon is having a normal one… questioning whether Betty White’s death was due to some nefarious purpose. She was 99.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:07:24am

re: #165 lawhawk

Dinesh D’Felon is having a normal one… questioning whether Betty White’s death was due to some nefarious purpose. She was 99.

She was vaccinated. She died. Cause and effect right there.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:08:16am

re: #165 lawhawk

Dinesh D’Felon is having a normal one… questioning whether Betty White’s death was due to some nefarious purpose. She was 99.

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He’s already calling it a “fake” tweet.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:09:09am

re: #164 sagehen

NYC:

85.5% one dose
72.6% fully vaxxed

Even within NYC, there’s a wide variation based on zip code. Some have +90% vaccination rates, while others have far lower.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:09:36am
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sagehen  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:09:51am

re: #157 Nojay UK

Most of those reported deaths are of vulnerable older people, the ones with co-morbidities and less physical reserves to call on when they get sick.

That’s one way to stabilize the pension system…

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:13:19am
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sagehen  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:16:03am

re: #168 lawhawk

Even within NYC, there’s a wide variation based on zip code. Some have +90% vaccination rates, while others have far lower.

Most of Manhattan on that finder (including my zip code) shows 100%, but they must be rounding up. Maybe 99.6% or something. I mean… it can’t possibly be every single person, can it?

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Mattand  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:18:23am

re: #113 The Pie Overlord!

That is one fugly boat but Betsy DeVos’s boat is even fuglier.

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Eh, looks like your normal rich person yacht to me.

You want to see a really fugly yacht? Check out the abomination that Steve Jobs had started before he died.

What works on an iPhone or an MacBook Pro design-wise definitely doesn’t scale up to a yacht.

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Teukka  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:20:03am

So… This slid by in a FaceBook group of mine…

“Tillfälligt stängt” is “Temporarily closed” in English.
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:20:35am

re: #173 Mattand

Eh, looks like your normal rich person yacht to me.

You want to see a really fugly yacht? Check out the abomination that Steve Jobs had started before he died.

What works on an iPhone or an MacBook Pro design-wise definitely doesn’t scale up to a yacht.

Wait until he finds out it was designed in and for the Pacific but is incompatible with the Atlantic or Indian Oceans…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:21:37am

re: #174 Teukka

So… This slid by in a FaceBook group of mine…

Don’t go there or you will come down with Pripyat’ism…

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:21:40am

Virginia
Fully Vaccinated 68.6%
At least 1 dose 80.0%

Fairfax County, Va
At least 1 dose
89.1% of people 18 years old and older
79.4% of all Fairfax Health District residents

Fully vaccinated
79.7% of people 18 years old and older
70.4% of all Fairfax Health District residents
(Cities of Falls Church and Fairfax City are reported separately)

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:22:14am

re: #172 sagehen

I suspect some of that has to do with people getting vaccinated in X zip code, but living somewhere else. Lower Manhattan doesn’t have a particularly large population - many live in Battery Park City, but most of Lower Manhattan is office buildings. Vaccine tourism - a similar phenomenon has been observed in Miami as well.

Then again, NYC has done quite well in getting people vaccinated, particularly the result of mandates.

Breezy Point is one such spot - lots of FDNY and NYPD live there, and they were mandated to vaccinate.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:23:06am

re: #174 Teukka

Lots of glowing reports…

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:23:10am

re: #174 Teukka

Temporarily closed… heh. Expected reopening date… some time in 2300?

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Captain Magic  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:23:26am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Don’t go there or you will come down with Pripyat’ism…

I saw what you did there.

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Teukka  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:24:29am

re: #180 lawhawk

Temporarily closed… heh. Expected reopening date… some time in 2300?

I dunno whether to be encouraged or dismayed by the notion of Google thinking that far ahead..

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:26:07am

re: #182 Teukka

I dunno whether to be encouraged or dismayed by the notion of Google thinking that far ahead..

Technically speaking, the park is open, even if the rides are closed. You can visit as part of the disaster tours of the region.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:27:18am

re: #183 lawhawk

Technically speaking, the park is open, even if the rides are closed. You can visit as part of the disaster tours of the region.

But no stands selling ice cream, and kvass…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:28:28am

re: #126 GlutenFreeJesus

T-Blockers, urine, and Viagra, oh my!

Is a return to P Stent medicine from the late 19th century. We really have a subpopulation that believe in a different woo. Unfortunately, it won’t milk them off ready enough. We Laughed at the 2nd Golgafrinchan ark, but we need to do this to 30% of your population.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:31:28am

re: #185 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Is a return to P Stent medicine from the late 19th century. We really have a subpopulation that believe in a different woo. Unfortunately, it won’t milk them off ready enough. We Laughed at the 2nd Golgafrinchan ark, but we need to do this to 30% of your population.

We have both the woo-woos who are wary of Western Medicine and Big Pharma as well as the MAGAs who don’t trust Modern Science or the Deep State.

They are both open to whatever “alternative” cures people can hawk to them.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:35:10am

re: #174 Teukka

So… This slid by in a FaceBook group of mine…

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Should reopen in 20,000 years, tops.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:36:50am

My town in Northern Cook County IL:

At least 1 dose: 38,534 (95.24%)

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Crush White Nationalism  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:38:45am

re: #188 GlutenFreeJesus

My town in Northern Cook County IL:

At least 1 dose: 38,534 (95.24%)

Do we know if a single dose offers any protection against Omicron at all?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:39:42am

re: #189 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Doubt it’s much at all.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:40:32am

As a “coastal elite”, I say to this…. F’n predictable.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:43:23am
“Two reports released Thursday show that people who get booster doses of Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine are well protected against severe disease and hospitalization from the Omicron variant of coronavirus, the company said.

Researchers said the findings indicate that most of the Covid-19 vaccines will protect people against the worst outcomes from infection — and show some of the emphasis on how the various vaccines affect immune system components called antibodies may be misleading.

One real-life study from South Africa showed vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization from Covid-19 rose to 85% after a booster dose of the J&J vaccine, even after the Omicron variant was circulating. And a lab-based study in the US indicated the vaccine stimulates a strong immune response from cells known as T-cells, which protect people against severe disease even if they don’t block the virus entirely from infecting the body.”

cnn.com

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:45:02am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But no stands selling ice cream, and kvass…

But you might get your fill of Cesium 137, so there’s that.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:45:08am

I just don’t get why people don’t follow through.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:45:53am

Youtube Video

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:46:58am

Comal County Democratic Party Headquarters in New Braunfels vandalized

The Kraken is not overly concerned with hiding her identity:

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:47:13am

re: #194 GlutenFreeJesus

I just don’t get why people don’t follow through.

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I’m wondering how many of those people are folks who got one shot early on, and then were persuaded by the right-wing misinformation machine not to complete the series.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:52:57am

re: #197 Dopamine Fish

I’m wondering how many of those people are folks who got one shot early on, and then were persuaded by the right-wing misinformation machine not to complete the series.

And how many had a rought time with side effects for a couple of days and decide “the shot gave me covid!” In the past, I heard a lot of people claim the flu shot gave people flu.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:54:54am

Does Mike Lindell have Covid? He is an antivaxxer. dailykos.com

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:54:55am

Be _Careful_ out there, people are losing it. (Although in this case, the dead dude may not have had it to begin with.)

Wondering if this guy, the Legislative Affairs Director for the State Board of Administration, was a jerk elsewhere as well.

*snip*
The sources said the incident began after Kuczwanski’s BMW drifted out of its lane while heading north on Thomasville Road. The BMW hit a white Prius.

Both cars pulled into a parking lot. The driver of the Prius confronted Kuczwanski about hitting him, the sources said. The Prius’ driver got in his car to wait for law enforcement after confronting Kuczwanski. That is when, according to Florida Politics’ sources, Kuczwanski rammed his BMW into the Prius on the driver’s door, and began pushing the car sideways in the parking lot.

Kuczwanski then shot a gun at the white Prius, according to the sources. The Prius driver drew a gun and fired back into the windshield of Kuczwanski’s BMW. Kuczwanski was hit and killed, according to the sources.

*snip*

Previously, Kuczwanski pleaded no contest to assault and disorderly conduct charges in 2014 related to a separate road rage incident at the same intersection, as first reported by Tallahassee Reports.

John Kuczwanski killed in Tallahassee road rage incident
floridapolitics.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:56:14am

re: #200 ckkatz

Be _Careful_ out there, people are losing it. (Although in this case, the dead dude may not have had it to begin with.)

Wondering if this guy, the Legislative Affairs Director for the State Board of Administration, was a jerk elsewhere as well.

John Kuczwanski killed in Tallahassee road rage incident
floridapolitics.com

Priuspapism…

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 8:58:08am

re: #200 ckkatz

Be _Careful_ out there, people are losing it. (Although in this case, the dead dude may not have had it to begin with.)

Wondering if this guy, the Legislative Affairs Director for the State Board of Administration, was a jerk elsewhere as well.

John Kuczwanski killed in Tallahassee road rage incident
floridapolitics.com

Some may be amazed at how calm I was when talking to the idiot who hit my parked truck because he hadn’t scrapped the ice off his windshield and was driving blind. Nobody got hurt, and that is what auto insurance is for.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:00:10am

re: #200 ckkatz

Be _Careful_ out there, people are losing it. (Although in this case, the dead dude may not have had it to begin with.)

Wondering if this guy, the Legislative Affairs Director for the State Board of Administration, was a jerk elsewhere as well.

John Kuczwanski killed in Tallahassee road rage incident
floridapolitics.com

Maybe it is Prius and BMW mating season!

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:00:20am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’m beginning to notice a theme… :)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:00:21am

re: #200 ckkatz

They’re not charging the guy who killed him, either.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:01:26am

re: #204 ckkatz

I’m beginning to notice a theme… :)

I thought I thaw a Priaputhycat!

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:01:34am

re: #203 Shropshire Slasher

Somebody was FAFO’ing.

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:02:14am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:02:15am

re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg

They’re not charging the guy who killed him, either.

Sounds like a clear-cut self-defense if Kuczwanski fired first.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:02:56am

re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg

They’re not charging the guy who killed him, either.

Stand your ground… survivor gets to claim they’re the victim no matter what.

But in this instance, the guy who started the incident and fired shots found out the other guy was a better shot.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:04:44am

I knew if I started crying about the lack of cream cheese the store would restock their shelves, which they did, but those bastards weren’t too generous with my Chef Salad!!!

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William Lewis  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:06:24am

re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg

They’re not charging the guy who killed him, either.

I would expect not from the description we have. Presuming it is accurate, the Prius driver would have been justified in shooting even before being shot at - an auto is in situations like this considered a deadly weapon and the police have shot people for doing less with their cars.

BMW dude was a walking time bomb and, in the end, essentially committed suicide. The Prius driver will have a significant likelihood of PTSD from this incident as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:06:39am

If you have married and divorced three rich women and nothing to show for it, you might be suffering from Pre-nupiusm.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:07:47am

Oh yeah, BMW drivers are about as insufferable as Tesla drivers!!!!

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:08:16am

While reading about the parking lot shoot-out I saw references to ‘Tampa Party Lights’. And had to check it out. Apparently a number of Florida streetlights are purple.

*snip*
Have you noticed those weird purple lights that make you feel like TRON on nighttime bike rides?
*snip*
Driving the news: TECO spokesperson Cherie Jacobs tells us they are a result of a manufacturing defect in some lights manufactured in 2019.
*snip*
The big picture: It’s not just Tampa.
*snip*

4. About those otherworldly streetlights
axios.com

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:10:16am

re: #210 lawhawk

Stand your ground… survivor gets to claim they’re the victim no matter what.

But in this instance, the guy who started the incident and fired shots found out the other guy was a better shot.

Or since the other guy was driving a Prius, he assumed him to be an unarmed liberal snowflake and caught a bullet in return for being mistaken.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:10:23am

re: #214 Shropshire Slasher

Oh yeah, BMW drivers are about as insufferable as Tesla drivers!!!!

And driving a Prius is like waving a red flag in front of a bull…

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:17:02am

re: #158 No Malarkey!

My state pension is not well funded, but at least its moving in the right direction, up 2.5 points from 2020-2021. Fortunately Kentucky state government is flush with cash, and committed to fully funding the pension system, since its illegal for them to bankrupt it away as Mitch McConnell suggested.

Our AL pension system newsletters basically say “Don’t fund us like Kentucky”. Best of luck for KY legislature doing the right thing.

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ericblair  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:18:28am

Surprise, surprise. Flannel Vest Happy Fun Guy goes Nazi.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:20:38am

re: #219 ericblair

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Surprise, surprise. Flannel Vest Happy Fun Guy goes Nazi.

Family Friendly Fascismtm strikes again.

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Dangerman  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:23:34am

re: #153 The Pie Overlord!

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a rando’s take:

tfg is increasingly out of touch with even the people who voted for him. He won the nomination in 2016 because he was actually more in touch with the GOP base than most of the GOP—he figured out what they wanted to hear, and fed it back to them—he’s good at that. All confidence men are (that’s how they win your confidence, and then your money).

But lately—nah. He just doesn’t get it. He’s lost the thread. He tells them to vaccinate and they boo him. They want him to keep feeding the nonsense back to them, but he figures they work for him now, and they’re supposed to be parroting HIM.

He’s turning into a figurehead. A symbol.

It’s pretty clear in 1984 that Big Brother either never existed as a real person, or has died/retired—he’s a symbol of the totalitarian state, not the active head of it.

Trump is still the symbol of the MAGA movement. He’s not running it. He doesn’t really understand it. He just wants it to serve him. And it’s increasingly refusing. It wants the symbol. Not the man himself.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:25:44am

I was never given the opportunity to work from home, but if given a choice I wouldn’t, mainly because I know me, and I wouldn’t want to return after developing several bad habits.

A majority of Americans currently working remotely said they would consider quitting their jobs if their employer required them to return to the office, according to a new survey.

The poll by Morning Consult found that 55% of teleworkers said they would think about leaving their jobs if they were told to physically return to their cubicles before they felt safe.

An even larger percentage of workers — 61% — said they would only be willing to return to the office if all of their colleagues were vaccinated.

Corporate America has indefinitely delayed bringing employees back into offices in light of a record number of COVID-19 cases fueled by the Omicron variant.

Nearly seven in 10 workers said they trust their employer to make the right decision about when the office can return to work while some 55% said they would like to return to the office as soon as it’s safe to do so.

nypost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:25:55am

re: #221 Dangerman

T….. is still the symbol of the MAGA movement. He’s not running it. He doesn’t really understand it. He just wants it to serve him. And it’s increasingly refusing. It wants the symbol. Not the man himself.

Like the Ghost of Ronald Reagan but still alive?

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Thanos  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:26:46am

Aldous Harding goes lizard person Youtube Video

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:28:32am

re: #222 Shropshire Slasher

I was never given the opportunity to work from home, but if given a choice I wouldn’t, mainly because I know me, and I wouldn’t want to return after developing several bad habits.

nypost.com

It depends on the person, the job, the company culture and the work environment.

BUt like with the rush to get kids back into schools (which is more about getting them back to their daytime babysitters) nobody was in a rush to provide funding for additional teachers, support staff, expanded facilities or safety & protection measures (both physical and organizational)

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:34:43am

I’m not expecting anything, but do not plan to be in DC then.

(Will Carless is a reporter for USA Today.)

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Thanos  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:35:51am

another outrage du jour:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:36:46am

Jade Helm, anybody? You know that the Russian bots are gonna be all over this story…

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:37:54am

re: #225 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It depends on the person, the job, the company culture and the work environment.

BUt like with the rush to get kids back into schools (which is more about getting them back to their daytime babysitters) nobody was in a rush to provide funding for additional teachers, support staff, expanded facilities or safety & protection measures (both physical and organizational)

Big Business totally thought that this was gonna be another “Turnkey Recession,” where they closed things down for a few weeks, then threw open the doors, turned the machines back on, and things went back to “normal.” They have absolutely no solution for a future where it’s difficult or even impossible to get workers to come back to the office.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:39:43am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Jade Helm, anybody? You know that the Russian bots are gonna be all over this story…

I was just about to say this is like Jade Helm all over again. GMTA.

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Teukka  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:40:03am

Ohh boy… Guess who has a front row seat?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:41:38am

re: #229 Targetpractice

Big Business totally thought that this was gonna be another “Turnkey Recession,” where they closed things down for a few weeks, then threw open the doors, turned the machines back on, and things went back to “normal.” They have absolutely no solution for a future where it’s difficult or even impossible to get workers to come back to the office.

We are still stuck in a 19-century views of productivity as measured in how many times you pull the lever at your workstation in the factory.

A GF told me bout one of her jobs at a credit card call center where managers stood behind people with stopwatches to time how long they spent taking calls.

Productivity in modern companies can no longer be monitored or measured using those parameters. And yes, an awful lot of it does not have to be done in any one particular place.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:41:39am

re: #231 Teukka

Ohh boy… Guess who has a front row seat?

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*saber rattling intensifies*

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William Lewis  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:42:21am

re: #227 Thanos

another outrage du jour:

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F’in’ daily fail. Almost as anti-democracy as Faux.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:42:50am

re: #222 Shropshire Slasher

WFH is my permanent status now. I will not go back to the office because I can do 100% of my job from home. I don’t have to deal with unvaccinated/undervaccinated at any point of my day, people who refuse to mask, or any of that so that I can keep my family as safe as I can given the circumstances.

My company isn’t requiring anyone to be in the office, and they wont require the WFH folks to return to office, because they’ve also reduced their footprint.

I’m lucky in that respect. Many folks have no choice but to work in person. And they’re the ones who are beholden to the risks their employers allow and employees/customers who want to ignore health and safety guidelines and mandates.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:43:44am

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are still stuck in a 19-century views of productivity as measured in how many times you pull the lever at your workstation in the factory.

A GF told me bout one of her jobs at a credit card call center where managers stood behind people with stopwatches to time how long they spent taking calls.

Productivity in modern companies can no longer be monitored or measured using those parameters. And yes, an awful lot of it does not have to be done in any one particular place.

Like I noted the other day, the biggest driving force behind this “back in the office” movement are middle-management who are desperate to justify their job titles. Why? Because productivity is the same or higher than it was pre-pandemic, but without the office pizza parties, the “team-building exercises,” or the constant bullying.

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Thanos  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:44:17am

and then this crapulous crap

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Thanos  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:46:46am

re: #236 Targetpractice

Like I noted the other day, the biggest driving force behind this “back in the office” movement are middle-management who are desperate to justify their job titles. Why? Because productivity is the same or higher than it was pre-pandemic, but without the office pizza parties, the “team-building exercises,” or the constant bullying.

Exactly — a lot of Middle manager make work disappears and they begin to feel useless in W@H environments - some do excel at it however.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:46:55am

re: #237 Thanos

and then this crapulous crap

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Who knew that when my folks registered me for school and had to provide proof of my being vaccinated, that they were actually participating in the longest-running “Holocaust” ever?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:48:30am

re: #237 Thanos

and then this crapulous crap

Hey, compare everything you dislike to Nazis or the Holocaust.

And any form of government regulation or spending to Communism.

And enforcing the Separation of Church and State is the same as feeding Christians to the lions.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:48:43am

re: #237 Thanos

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Teukka  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:48:49am

re: #233 Targetpractice

*saber rattling intensifies*

Yeah. But it comes with its own complications…

“This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.”
— Admiral Josh Painter, “The Hunt for Red October”

Also, remember the rule of thumb for how dickwaving contests always end: Someone comes out of nowhere, whips his out, and makes the others cry…

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:49:27am

re: #238 Thanos

I get that some kinds of work benefits from an in-office experience. Day to day interactions with other folks can generate ideas and serendipitous actions can ultimately benefit the business. In WFH situation, you have to set up meetings to do that, when an in-office environment means you can casually talk to someone at the water cooler.

But if you’re trying to run meetings with folks around the world that are doing dev work, you’re doing it the same way whether you’re in the office or not.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:52:55am

I think that when things calm down, hybrid work will become a lot more common. No need to come into the office every day, only when necessary.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:53:17am

re: #200 ckkatz

Be _Careful_ out there, people are losing it. (Although in this case, the dead dude may not have had it to begin with.)

Wondering if this guy, the Legislative Affairs Director for the State Board of Administration, was a jerk elsewhere as well.

John Kuczwanski killed in Tallahassee road rage incident
floridapolitics.com

Never take a BMW to a Prius fight.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:55:11am

re: #227 Thanos

another outrage du jour:

As soon as I saw that tweet and the headline I thought “come on, they can’t be referring to ‘Robin Sage’ …”
Sure enough.
Yes, only been happening for over half a century. Shit, closing in on three quarters of a century

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:55:32am
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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:56:15am

re: #242 Teukka

Yeah. But it comes with its own complications…

“This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.”
— Admiral Josh Painter, “The Hunt for Red October”

Also, remember the rule of thumb for how dickwaving contests always end: Someone comes out of nowhere, whips his out, and makes the others cry…

Realistically, Putin doesn’t want a shooting war at all, he wants NATO to back down and cede Ukrainian soil if not the country as a whole. The Russian economy could not sustain a war of any real length without further compromising the already poor state of life for the peasantry. His only real hope is to create a scenario where NATO splinters as the various members put domestic concerns over their treaty obligations.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:56:35am

re: #247 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

That’s bad news for Gaetz. Ex girlfriends, spouses, significant others testifying is invariably bad news for the subject of the investigation.

And I’m here for that.

Pass the popcorn
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 12, 2022 • 9:58:16am

re: #81 No Malarkey!

Wait, I thought that there would be a massive influx of antivaxxer nurses from blue states!/

Well here in my little town hospital (I worked for the hospital system for 16 years so have quite a few friends still there) I am told no medical personnel have lost their job because of refusal to get vaccinated. The few that have been let go because of refusal were maintenance and environmental (cleaning) staff. I did hear of one clerical transcriptionist that was let go because of it. So at least here medical staff are acting sane. So unless Texas needs maintenance or cleaning people they won’t be getting medical people from our little PA hospital.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:00:56am
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Citizen K  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:01:31am

re: #219 ericblair

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Surprise, surprise. Flannel Vest Happy Fun Guy goes Nazi.

But hey, they successfully saved the state from the horrors of learning about all the bad things done in the name of the country, because learning uncomfortable history is the real fascism!

Again, it feels like so much of this country is hardwired for arch conservatism, and it only ever breaks that fever when Republicans screw things up to such a level that it can’t be papered over by racism and spite alone. And even then, they put Dems on such a short leash that when they inevitably can’t put out every single fucking fire the GOP sets, they boot them out and put Republicans back in because only Republicans ever truly belong in power, while Dems are the root of all things evil and wrong in America. Even the Dem base thinks so, after all!

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coin operated  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:01:33am

re: #243 lawhawk

I get that some kinds of work benefits from an in-office experience. Day to day interactions with other folks can generate ideas and serendipitous actions can ultimately benefit the business. In WFH situation, you have to set up meetings to do that, when an in-office environment means you can casually talk to someone at the water cooler.

The water cooler meeting doesn’t disappear when you WFH. The company I started with in August spans 80+ countries and 16 time zones. Most of us techies are 100% WFH. The company uses Teams for internal comms and I can initiate a “water cooler” meeting with anyone in the company as long as they are online.

My $.02

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:01:57am

re: #247 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

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No offense, but at this point I’d rather the media just waited until shit goes down before reporting. It’s been “ANY DAY NOW!” for Matty since last March.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:03:30am

re: #253 coin operated

The water cooler meeting doesn’t disappear when you WFH. The company I started with in August spans 80+ countries and 16 time zones. Most of us techies are 100% WFH. The company uses Teams for internal comms and I can initiate a “water cooler” meeting with anyone in the company as long as they are online.

My $.02

We had a Teams discussion the other day about the Web telescope and orbiting L2.

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Teukka  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:05:10am

re: #248 Targetpractice

Realistically, Putin doesn’t want a shooting war at all, he wants NATO to back down and cede Ukrainian soil if not the country as a whole. The Russian economy could not sustain a war of any real length without further compromising the already poor state of life for the peasantry. His only real hope is to create a scenario where NATO splinters as the various members put domestic concerns over their treaty obligations.

Plus 3 or 4 of these in the Baltic Sea (which I live next to):

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wrenchwench  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:06:35am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:08:37am

re: #257 wrenchwench

how do I know if i’m in the wrong timeline?

Is Natasha Yar still your Tactical Officer?

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:10:06am

re: #253 coin operated

The water cooler meeting doesn’t disappear when you WFH. The company I started with in August spans 80+ countries and 16 time zones. Most of us techies are 100% WFH. The company uses Teams for internal comms and I can initiate a “water cooler” meeting with anyone in the company as long as they are online.

My $.02

Yep, this. We post a lot of random stuff in our team channel, about work or life or random stuff. We ping each other if we’re stuck on a problem. Sometimes a generic conversation grows into a phone call that solves a difficult problem.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:15:07am

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are still stuck in a 19-century views of productivity as measured in how many times you pull the lever at your workstation in the factory.

A GF told me bout one of her jobs at a credit card call center where managers stood behind people with stopwatches to time how long they spent taking calls.

At the first call center I ever worked at, any bathroom breaks we had to take outside of our regularly scheduled breaks had to be deducted from those breaks. So if nature called and I had to leave the call floor for five minutes, my next break would only be ten minutes instead of fifteen.

Also look at how insanely Amazon micromanagers their warehouse pickers.

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William Lewis  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:15:24am

Cool beanz…

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wrenchwench  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:15:54am

re: #259 Dopamine Fish

I’m starting to see similarities between ‘going to work’ and ‘logging on to LGF’.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:16:55am

re: #262 wrenchwench

Starting to?

/

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wrenchwench  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:18:47am

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

Starting to?

/

I’m slow. When I think back (which is a lot of work), I used to log on almost as soon as I got to the bikeshop.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:20:06am

re: #237 Thanos

and then this crapulous crap

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Save this JPG for a handy response whenever some idiot compares vaccines to the Holocaust.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:22:26am

re: #260 Eclectic Cyborg

At the first call center I ever worked at, any bathroom breaks we had to take outside of our regularly scheduled breaks had to be deducted from those breaks. So if nature called and I had to leave the call floor for five minutes, my next break would only be ten minutes instead of fifteen.

Also look at how insanely Amazon micromanagers their warehouse pickers.

On the assembly line we had a multi-skilled “utility man” who could fill in for anyone who needed to go to the can or whatever. We also had a union.

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wrenchwench  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:24:11am

re: #266 Decatur Deb

On the assembly line we had a multi-skilled “utility man” who could fill in for anyone who needed to go to the can or whatever. We also had a union.

When the progressives unionize the call centers, I’ll think about becoming one.

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Thanos  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:27:23am

re: #245 Decatur Deb

Never take a BMW to a Prius fight.

When I was much younger and stupider I used to be occasionally road ragey, but then came a time when the guy I was honking at pulled over his car, hopped out shirtless and barefoot, opened the trunk and pulled out two cinder blocks tied to a chain and started swinging them around his head like Crusher Creel in a Spiderman comic. I decided it was time to hit the exit.
Since then I’ve figured out that you never know if the person is packing or not, so I never RR myself, and avoid those who do.

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austin_blue  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:28:37am

re: #95 No Malarkey!

The CEO of Moderna says in this interview that they have a full supply of vaccines for the world, and the problem with getting poor countries vaccinated is a lack of staff and infrastructure at the point of getting shots in arms. Antivaccine misinformation probably doesn’t help. news.yahoo.com

Moderna also requires first-world refrigeration infrastructure. “Just frozen” isn’t enough (minus 20 degrees C for six months, 2 degrees C for thirty days).

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Wile E. Wonka  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:28:51am

re: #237 Thanos

and then this crapulous crap

ERMAGERD FRAKTUR

Naturally, since the German language is still the German language, a health permit is still called a “Gesundheitspass.” Only difference is, nowadays it’s a certification that you’ve passed basic kitchen infection safety training and are qualified to serve food, rather than a certification that you’re sufficiently white to be allowed health insurance.

discover194.com

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:32:28am

re: #270 Wile E. Wonka

ERMAGERD FRAKTUR

Naturally, since the German language is still the German language, a health permit is still called a “Gesundheitspass.” Only difference is, nowadays it’s a certification that you’ve passed basic kitchen infection safety training and are qualified to serve food, rather than a certification that you’re sufficiently white to be allowed health insurance.

discover194.com

Suppose German antivaxxers carry an Atchoopass?

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2022 • 10:33:52am

re: #257 wrenchwench

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If you have to ask…

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No Malarkey!  Jan 12, 2022 • 11:17:07am

re: #237 Thanos

and then this crapulous crap

Reported for being disrespectful and offensive.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 12, 2022 • 11:47:04am

re: #266 Decatur Deb

Lol, I had that job as a newbie in a Goodyear plant in Ohio. I was almost 19, 1978 and 79.The plant made dashboards for cars, trucks and various commercial vehicles, I learned a lot but took a lot of crap from some of the guys there.19 bucks an hour in 1978 was pretty good for a kid trying to get out of homelessness. It’s the most money I ever made at any job ever.. After a month I got put in the light truck dept. Where I stayed until a big ass fire shut it down for good in 1980. Ironically, the county unemployment offices are now in the same location as that plant’s front offices.

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SerialUpDinger  Jan 12, 2022 • 2:45:30pm

re: #140 Dopamine Fish

what climb is this?

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 12, 2022 • 5:13:13pm

re: #216 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Or since the other guy was driving a Prius, he assumed him to be an unarmed liberal snowflake and caught a bullet in return for being mistaken.

That was my thoughts exactly. Their stupid ass assumptions about “we have all the guns” is going to be the last fatal mistaken belief for many of them.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 13, 2022 • 2:15:56am

re: #276 Eventual Carrion

That was my thoughts exactly. Their stupid ass assumptions about “we have all the guns” is going to be the last fatal mistaken belief for many of them.

Guns don’t make people polite. It’s makes aggressive people feel more secure in their aggression and bullying behavior.


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