Oath Keepers Leader Stewart Rhodes and Others Arrested, Charged With Seditious Conspiracy

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Oath Keepers head Stewart Rhodes

At last, some of the plotters behind January 6 are being arrested and indicted, starting with the founder of long-running far right militia group Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes.

Rhodes is charged along with more than a dozen other members and associates of the Oath Keepers, who authorities say came to Washington intent on stopping the certification of President Joe Biden’s victory.

Rhodes did not enter the Capitol building on Jan. 6 but is accused of helping put into motion the violence that disrupted the certification of the vote. The Oath Keepers case is the largest conspiracy case federal authorities have brought so far over Jan. 6, when thousands of pro-Trump rioters stormed past police barriers and smashed windows, injuring dozens of officers and sending lawmakers running.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 13, 2022 • 10:58:28am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 13, 2022 • 10:58:28am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 13, 2022 • 10:59:15am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:00:18am

Say it with me now: ABOUT FUCKING TIME.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:02:31am

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

Say it with me now: ABOUT FUCKING TIME.

Slow and certain, Grasshopper. But yes, it’s about time.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:03:30am

“…In addition to Rhodes and Vallejo, those named in the indictment include nine previously charged defendants: Thomas Caldwell, 67, of Berryville, Virginia; Joseph Hackett, 51, of Sarasota, Florida; Kenneth Harrelson, 41, of Titusville, Florida; Joshua James, 34, of Arab, Alabama; Kelly Meggs, 52, of Dunnellon, Florida; Roberto Minuta, 37, of Prosper, Texas ; David Moerschel, 44, of Punta Gorda, Florida; Brian Ulrich, 44, of Guyton, Georgia, and Jessica Watkins, 39, of Woodstock, Ohio. In addition to the earlier charges filed against them, they now face additional counts for seditious conspiracy and other offenses.
…………..
In one of the related cases, the original superseding indictment, charges remain pending against James Beeks, 49, of Orlando, Florida; Donovan Crowl, 51, of Cable, Ohio; William Isaacs, 22, of Kissimmee, Florida; Connie Meggs, 60, of Dunnellon, Florida; Sandra Parker, 63, of Morrow, Ohio; Bernie Parker, 71, of Morrow, Ohio, and Laura Steele, 53, of Thomasville, North Carolina. The other case charges Jonathan Walden, 57, of Birmingham, Alabama.”
justice.gov

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:03:31am

Asha just has to remind everyone of the world we actually live in

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:03:34am

re: #5 Decatur Deb

Slow and certain, Grasshopper. But yes, it’s about time.

As I said repeatedly over most of the last year: The wheels of justice grind slow but exceedingly fine.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:04:09am

Speaking of A-rab, Alabama.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:04:35am
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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:06:03am

Remember all the pearl-clutching and the wheeling out of fainting couches because “THEY CHASED HER INTO A BATHROOM!”?

The move was intentional and calculated: Sinema told ASU police she intentionally went into the bathroom because she believed that recording someone inside a bathroom is a crime, Sgt. Katie Fuchtman wrote in a police report the Arizona Mirror obtained under the state’s public records law. The senator’s comments in it have not been reported on before now.

“Sinema stated this was not her first time being approached in this way and that is why she entered the bathroom, knowing it was illegal for someone to record another person inside the bathroom,” Fuchtman wrote.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:06:45am
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Dangerman  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:07:03am

re: #2 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

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“seditious conspiracy” trending on twitter and google, right?

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:07:40am

I’ve posted elsewhere, but it bears repeating. Merrick Garland was confirmed as AG of the US in March 2021. He’s been on the job all of 8 months. The AUSA for District of Columbia was confirmed November 5, 2021 after seeing his confirmation held up by GOPers for months.

Graves was on the job for 2 months. He’s brought this case because he’s gotten the evidence to sustain the indictments and arrests.

There will be more to come. A lot more.

The people who demand Garland make arrests and act on leadership of the plot to overthrow the government seem to ignore that the DOJ is much more than just Garland, and that the GOP have continued their efforts to kneecap all efforts to hold the 1/6 participants responsible.

Today’s indictments carry major sentences: seditious conspiracy is a felony subject to 20 years in prison. The other charges carry similar heavy sentences. This is no joke, and the question will become who flips first to save their own skin and avoid life in prison for the treasonweasel Trump and his cronies.

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Dangerman  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:08:21am

re: #6 jaunte

“…In addition to Rhodes and Vallejo, those named in the indictment include nine previously charged defendants: Thomas Caldwell, 67, of Berryville, Virginia; Joseph Hackett, 51, of Sarasota, Florida; Kenneth Harrelson, 41, of Titusville, Florida; Joshua James, 34, of Arab, Alabama; Kelly Meggs, 52, of Dunnellon, Florida; Roberto Minuta, 37, of Prosper, Texas ; David Moerschel, 44, of Punta Gorda, Florida; Brian Ulrich, 44, of Guyton, Georgia, and Jessica Watkins, 39, of Woodstock, Ohio. In addition to the earlier charges filed against them, they now face additional counts for seditious conspiracy and other offenses.
…………..
In one of the related cases, the original superseding indictment, charges remain pending against James Beeks, 49, of Orlando, Florida; Donovan Crowl, 51, of Cable, Ohio; William Isaacs, 22, of Kissimmee, Florida; Connie Meggs, 60, of Dunnellon, Florida; Sandra Parker, 63, of Morrow, Ohio; Bernie Parker, 71, of Morrow, Ohio, and Laura Steele, 53, of Thomasville, North Carolina. The other case charges Jonathan Walden, 57, of Birmingham, Alabama.”
justice.gov

florida is representing!! (// 1/2)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:08:22am

re: #8 Dopamine Fish

As I said repeatedly over most of the last year: The wheels of justice grind slow but exceedingly fine.

I’m waiting for the perp walk for Ginny Davis, John Eastman, Rudy, Sydney, and Cleta Mitchell. MyPillow guy is an imbecile so I don’t care as much about him. But it would be great to see Cruz and Hawley dragged out too, though my guess is that Cruz is far less involved — it took Hawley’s determination ignoring McConnell to get Cruz to participate.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:08:41am

I watched Peacemaker earlier today - it was pretty good. I enjoyed it and John Cena seems to have found a role that really suits him well.

And the opening titles are lit.

Youtube Video

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darthstar  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:09:01am

Just got me jaw filled with Novocaine. I hate that shit. Tooth extraction

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Crush White Nationalism  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:09:17am

Weird musical choice.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:10:19am

re: #16 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m waiting for the perp walk for Ginny Davis, John Eastman, Rudy, Sydney, and Cleta Mitchell. MyPillow guy is an imbecile so I don’t care as much about him. But it would be great to see Cruz and Hawley dragged out too, though my guess is that Cruz is far less involved — it took Hawley’s determination ignoring McConnell to get Cruz to participate.

There is a wall of money surrounding those who need to be up there.

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Dangerman  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:11:42am

re: #12 jaunte

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yeah but no one has been charged with ‘insurrection” hur hur //

remember how they trotted out “collusion” and beat it to death instead of the actual charges

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:13:03am

NYT:

“…In an interview with The New York Times this summer, Mr. Rhodes expressed frustration that several members of his group had “gone off mission” by entering the Capitol on Jan. 6, quickly adding, “There were zero instructions from me or leadership to do so.”

I think that counts as verification that there were, indeed, instructions to do so.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:13:28am

Virginia Thomas……. Please discuss.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:13:35am

“…at least four Oath Keepers who were at the Capitol that day and are cooperating with the government have sworn in court papers that the group intended to breach the building with the goal of obstructing the final certification of the Electoral College vote.”

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:14:08am

“Within a week of Election Day, Mr. Rhodes had told the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that he had men stationed outside Washington prepared to act at Mr. Trump’s command.”

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:14:32am
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:14:50am

“…On Jan. 4, just two days before the storming of the Capitol, Mr. Rhodes posted an article on the Oath Keepers website calling on “all patriots” to “stand tall in support of President Trump’s fight to defeat the enemies foreign and domestic who are attempting a coup.”

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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:15:33am

re: #25 jaunte

I would pay a serious pay-per-view to see Alex Jones testify.

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Mattand  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:15:38am

re: #1 Dave In Austin

@glennbeck is very is very sick with Covid.
I’m also warming up Pizza for Lunch.

Oh…. And Rush Limbaugh is still fucking dead.

Should I have laughed at this?

No. Probably not.

Did I?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:17:37am
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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:18:15am

Teukka — see my comment downstairs, bottom of the thread.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:18:38am

re: #30 Patricia Kayden

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I want to be kept up to date on the ratio on her tweet.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:19:15am
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:20:11am
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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:20:56am

re: #33 jaunte

Conspired with persons known and unknown to the grand jury.

In other words, there’s others who are not included in the seditious conspiracy.

I fully expect more indictments to be forthcoming in this rich vein of insurrection.

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darthstar  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:21:40am

Any comments from Hawley yet?

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:22:08am

re: #35 lawhawk

If the tactical groups were already planning by November 9, the political leadership had to have made the decision much earlier.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:22:53am

Freepers are balletically nimble. They have Stuart Rhodes down as an FBI plant.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:23:16am

re: #19 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I remember the first time one of our guys fired a Javelin during a large scale live fire exercise. The initial launch motor wasn’t all that loud (as heard in the video) but when the flight motor kicked in everyone froze in their tracks, stopped shooting, and looked up at the missile. And I’m pretty sure I wasn’t the only one to mutter “holy shit”

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darthstar  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:23:21am

re: #37 jaunte

If the tactical groups were already planning by November 9, the political leadership had to have made the decision much earlier.

If we lose…

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Jay C  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:23:21am

re: #14 lawhawk

Edits needed: AG Garland was confirmed in 2021 (just last year- seems like decades)

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mmmirele  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:23:35am

How I know I’m not well at all…I can’t get excited about seditious conspiracy charges. I’m all, “it’s just going to have to wait until I can think again.”

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:24:08am

re: #40 darthstar

Like, during the campaign against Hillary Clinton.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:25:16am

re: #39 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

I remember the first time one of our guys fired a Javelin during a large scale live fire exercise. The initial launch motor wasn’t all that loud (as heard in the video) but when the flight motor kicked in everyone froze in their tracks, stopped shooting, and looked up at the missile. And I’m pretty sure I wasn’t the only one to mutter “holy shit”

There is footage out there of a launch that sent the missile about 8 feet downrange, then flopping onto the ground in front of the team.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:25:20am
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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:25:54am

re: #35 lawhawk

Conspired with persons known and unknown to the grand jury.

In other words, there’s others who are not included in the seditious conspiracy.

I fully expect more indictments to be forthcoming in this rich vein of insurrection.

You know, if a bunch of Confederate leaders, starting with Jeff Davis and Robert E. Lee, had been indicted for seditious conspiracy and hung after the Civil War, maybe we wouldn’t be here now.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:26:15am

re: #7 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Asha just has to remind everyone of the world we actually live in

JJ MacNab has informed me that the Hutaree were also charged with seditious conspiracy in 2010. That didn’t play out the way the government hoped either.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:26:25am

re: #41 Jay C

Edits needed: AG Garland was confirmed in 2021 (just last year- seems like decades)

Thanks. Corrected - both Garland and Graves were confirmed in 2021 - after significant delays.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:27:01am

The Wade incident of 1954:
“charges were brought against Braden for hatching a communist plot to stir up a race war”
en.wikipedia.org

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:27:31am

Republican rhetoric hasn’t changed much since 1954.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:27:48am

re: #44 Decatur Deb

There is footage out there of a launch that sent the missile about 8 feet downrange, then flopping onto the ground in front of the team.

Oh yeah, I’ve seen the launch motor fail video
As you know, shit happens

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EstebanTornado1963  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:28:45am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:29:27am

re: #51 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Oh yeah, I’ve seen the launch motor fail video
As you know, shit happens

Picatinny Arsenal has people to calculate the Mean Time Between Shit Happening.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:30:30am

re: #44 Decatur Deb

There is footage out there of a launch that sent the missile about 8 feet downrange, then flopping onto the ground in front of the team.

Youtube Video

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:32:45am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:33:12am

re: #50 jaunte

Republican rhetoric hasn’t changed much since 1954.

Reminder: In the 1950’s, it was primarily Democrats who were the official party of white supremacy in those days.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:33:15am

re: #52 EstebanTornado1963

Totally expecting him to move the goalposts to convictions and sentenced.

Frankly, I’m expecting plea deals in the next few weeks as there are other Oath Keepers who are already cooperating. They’ll turn on everyone else, and turn on those up the food chain - into Trumpworld directly. Roger Stone is one of those inflection points.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:33:50am

re: #56 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m thinking more about the Red Scare talk.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:34:30am

Uh, this is not a good reading of the indictment.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:34:36am

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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:34:57am

re: #54 Targetpractice

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It was before my time, but Ft. Knox did a firepower demonstration practice in front of soldiers’ families. They launched an Honest John, but didn’t release the rail locks on the duece and a half hauler. World’s Fastest Deuce.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:35:30am

In fact, the indictment says the exact opposite, that there are others involved. The Oath Keepers are not being “cordoned off.”

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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:35:39am

re: #54 Targetpractice

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I’m reminded of the TOW having a bad habit of going bonzo if you fired it over open water and the guidance wires touched said water. No telling where that SOB was going to go and by then it had probably fully armed. Never liked that missile or the Dragon (AGM-Sitting Duck) and was far happier to be running that 105mm rifle instead.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:36:13am

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Just because we haven’t tried a lot of cases under a particular law doesn’t mean anything if that particular law hasn’t been broken frequently.

1/6 is one of those events that will see lots of more obscure federal criminal statutes relied upon for indictments. That’s because the size, scope, and nature of the crimes is such that we’re getting into rarely used law.

But that doesn’t mean anything if the cases are such that we have a lot of direct and proximate evidence, including what we saw on 1/6 itself. We have video of these guys barging into the Capitol. We have their communications. And we also have a bunch of fellow insurrectionists working with prosecutors to avoid prison themselves.

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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:37:18am

re: #61 Decatur Deb

It was before my time, but Ft. Knox did a firepower demonstration practice in front of soldiers’ families. They launched an Honest John, but didn’t release the rail locks on the duece and a half hauler. World’s Fastest Deuce.

BWA-HA-HA-HA! That would have been something to see.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:37:49am

SCOTUS has just made it possible for (non healthcare) businesses to help spread Covid unhindered by regulations.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:38:31am
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:38:37am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:39:21am

re: #44 Decatur Deb

There is footage out there of a launch that sent the missile about 8 feet downrange, then flopping onto the ground in front of the team.

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Picatinny Arsenal has people to calculate the Mean Time Between Shit Happening.

The 7th launch looks to actually be an AT4

Youtube Video

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Teukka  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:40:03am

re: #358 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:40:06am

re: #59 Charles Johnson

No. It isn’t.

The indictment is explicit that the Oath Keepers charged were conspiring with persons known and unknown to the grand jury.

That’s an explicit understanding that the conspiracy is larger than just the Oath Keepers.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:40:42am
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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:40:59am

re: #68 jaunte

SCOTUS just handed down a death sentence for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of Americans, just because they believe the lies they have been told.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:41:02am

re: #52 EstebanTornado1963

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:41:33am

re: #66 jaunte

SCOTUS has just made it possible for (non healthcare) businesses to help spread Covid unhindered by regulations.

I mean, we all kind of figured this was going to happen, from the oral arguments. It’s frustrating, but we’ll just have to come back again with a different one.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:42:11am

re: #72 Charles Johnson

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“Why won’t Biden get the pandemic under control?”

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:42:51am

I just realized I enlisted in the Navy, for one six year enlistment, 30 years ago today.

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sizzzzlerz  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:43:43am

God damn, I want these MFers rotting in prison so badly, I can taste it. Including
Il Douche, himself.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:44:02am

re: #75 Dopamine Fish

I mean, we all kind of figured this was going to happen, from the oral arguments. It’s frustrating, but we’ll just have to come back again with a different one.

Does it rule out a workplace mandate, or just say that OSHA isn’t the proper instrument?

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:44:03am

Unfu…

Nope. Totally fucking believable. The US Supreme Court has sided with covid19, striking down Biden’s nationwide vaccination mandate for large businesses.

cnn.com

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:44:54am

“Not an occupational hazard.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:45:07am

re: #68 jaunte

BREAKING: The Supreme Court BLOCKS the federal government’s COVID-19 vaccine-or-test requirement for large workplaces. The court ALLOWS a vaccine mandate for workers at federally funded health care facilities to take effect nationwide.

What a disgrace! Republican have forfeited any claim to morality or ethics or decency.

At least health care facilities are forced to comply.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:46:42am
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Belafon  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:46:58am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Does it rule out a workplace mandate, or just say that OSHA isn’t the proper instrument?

Congress could pass one, forcing SCOTUS to come up with a different excuse for invalidating it.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:47:10am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Does it rule out a workplace mandate, or just say that OSHA isn’t the proper instrument?

OSHA can’t do it by regulation. Congress probably could, but it would be filibustered.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:47:44am
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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:48:39am

re: #82 Hecuba’s daughter

What a disgrace! Republican have forfeited any claim to morality or ethics or decency.

At least health care facilities are forced to comply.

Only because Kavanaugh and Roberts switched their votes. If Kavanaugh was an inch more reactionary, even vulnerable patients couldn’t be protected from antivaxxers.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:49:08am

GOP: why isn’t Biden stopping the pandemic
Biden: i required large businesses to vaccinate
GOP: we’re suing to block enforcement, rendering it moot
Biden: we’re trying to get vaccinations to everyone
GOP: we’re peddling junk science, woo, and urging people to not vaccinate

Media: economy and Biden in trouble as pandemic enters 3d year.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:49:49am

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:51:31am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:53:10am

re: #90 jaunte

Actually, a country can make bank by killing off the right sectors of the population. Unfortunately, Wife and I are in it.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:53:52am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:54:11am

re: #90 jaunte

I reckon it’s up to the individual states now; I’m fairly confident the blue states will issue vaccine mandates, but the red states….forget it.

Unless Congress tries to pass a national mandate, but it’d likely end up DOA via filibuster in the Senate.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:54:41am

Ugh, the right wing gloating over this SCOTUS decision will be unbearable.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:55:00am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:55:43am

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh, the right wing gloating over this SCOTUS decision will be unbearable.

They can gloat all the way to the ER.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:56:06am

How profitable can a business be when everyone is out sick?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:56:37am

That’s gonna piss off a lot of big companies (who are also big political donors) that have enacted mandates.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:58:28am

re: #98 Eclectic Cyborg

Companies that have enacted mandates are unaffected by this. They can do as they want because it’s a private business decision. This idiotic SCOTUS decision affects Biden’s mandate to require large businesses to have all employees vaccinated.

Many of these businesses will require vaccinations regardless.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:59:15am

re: #97 jaunte

How profitable can a business be when everyone is out sick?

In Soviet America, workers are always expendable assets.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:59:41am

re: #99 lawhawk

Companies that have enacted mandates are unaffected by this. They can do as they want because it’s a private business decision. This idiotic SCOTUS decision affects Biden’s mandate to require large businesses to have all employees vaccinated.

Many of these businesses will require vaccinations regardless.

Just not the very conservative defense contractor companies.Jus

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:59:49am

re: #98 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s gonna piss off a lot of big companies (who are also big donors) that have enacted mandates.

The trend is that companies have been enacting their own mandates independently of the government’s decision to enforce it, not the other way around. Companies realize that their employees being plague vectors is bad for business. The problem is that now there is no feasible way for the government to enforce it; OSHA has been de-fanged, and the legislature isn’t going to do jack shit as long as the Senate is fucked up by seditionist treasonweasels.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2022 • 11:59:56am

re: #99 lawhawk

But are those requirements even enforceable now given this SCOTUS decision? Future legal challenges are probably on the way.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:00:25pm

re: #92 jaunte

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:00:36pm

re: #86 jaunte

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So why don’t businesses allow smoking indoors?

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Mike Lamb  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:01:41pm

re: #103 Eclectic Cyborg

But are those requirements even enforceable given this SCOTUS decision? Future legal challenges are probably on the way.

Yes, they would be enforceable. There will be some bullshit “It violates my religious beliefs” exemptions that SCOTUS is undoubtedly going to side with. But generally, private companies will be able to enact mandates.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:01:49pm

re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg

In Soviet America, workers are always expendable assets.

Not Soviet America, Fascist America.

It’s always ideology over truth, justice, and the well-being of our citizenry. Does that mean that OSHA cannot require meat plants to adopt measures to reduce the spread of the disease in their factories?

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:02:22pm

re: #99 lawhawk

Companies that have enacted mandates are unaffected by this. They can do as they want because it’s a private business decision. This idiotic SCOTUS decision affects Biden’s mandate to require large businesses to have all employees vaccinated.

Many of these businesses will require vaccinations regardless.

Except in red states that prohibit vaccine mandates. Though there is a tussle between the Chamber of Commerce and the antivaxxers about this issue.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:02:52pm

re: #108 No Malarkey!

Bet on the money to win.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:03:19pm

re: #108 No Malarkey!

Except in red states that prohibit vaccine mandates. Though there is a tussle between the Chamber of Commerce and the antivaxxers about this issue.

I know there’s a few of ‘em - Texas and Florida immediately spring to mind. Montana, too IIRC.

111
No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:03:56pm

re: #103 Eclectic Cyborg

But are those requirements even enforceable given this SCOTUS decision? Future legal challenges are probably on the way.

Employment at will says that businesses are free to impose work requirements and workers are free to quit if they don’t want to comply.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:05:26pm

re: #111 No Malarkey!

R/SCOTUS is opposed to Democratic government imposing regulation, but fine with a patchwork of private rules from private business. Exactly the worst way to deal with a pandemic.

113
Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:06:10pm

re: #71 lawhawk

No. It isn’t.

The indictment is explicit that the Oath Keepers charged were conspiring with persons known and unknown to the grand jury.

That’s an explicit understanding that the conspiracy is larger than just the Oath Keepers.

Bullshit like this is why I unfollowed this dude. He’s a resistance grifter.

114
No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:07:10pm

To my pleasant surprise, it seems that the Kentucky legislature is going to allow schools to have up to ten days of remote learning.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:11:05pm
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Teukka  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:15:45pm

So, meme fodder:

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Dave In Austin  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:15:58pm

If you indict Virginia, Clarance will have to step down.
That opens that seat with no Mitch to get in the way.

118
Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:18:32pm
119
Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:20:17pm

Oh well, pardon me for disagreeing with you. Wouldn’t want to affect your mood.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:21:10pm
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aatharuv  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:21:36pm

re: #117 Dave In Austin

If you indict Virginia, Clarance will have to step down.
That opens that seat with no Mitch to get in the way.

Why would Clarence have to step down? When in modern times has a Republican ever let a little conflict of interest, ethics or morals charge (Edit:) prevent him from using his power?

122
Dopamine Fish  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:22:52pm

Minneapolis and St. Paul have just announced that effective 1/19/2022, establishments that serve food or drinks will have to require patrons show a negative test result or proof of vaccination for indoor dining.

123
Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:23:24pm

What an asshole.

124
The Pie Overlord!  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:24:27pm

re: #24 jaunte

“…at least four Oath Keepers who were at the Capitol that day and are cooperating with the government have sworn in court papers that the group intended to breach the building with the goal of obstructing the final certification of the Electoral College vote.”

Are these the ones in military gear, helmets and kevlar who appeared in the videos marching in single file holding on to one another’s collars?

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:24:52pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

What an asshole.

He is a major league asshole, and it seems like he’s been going downhill. I never paid much attention to him.

126
(((Archangel1)))  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:25:46pm

Given her total disregard and abandonment of her constituents coupled with the fact that she’s getting loads of money to do it, is it wrong that I hope she gets robbed for every last dollar the second voters kick the F out of office?

127
A Mom Anon  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:27:38pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

He’s also not taking anything these people have already told prosecutors and law enforcement about that day and who did what into account. And that this likely isn’t the only group of people facing similar charges.

Everyone is Veruca Salt right now, I swear to god. This investigation hasn’t really had a chance to dig in all the way yet, JFC.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:28:17pm

re: #126 (((Archangel1)))

And just watch the GOP nuke the filibuster as soon as it suits them to do so when they regain the Senate.

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:29:17pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Bullshit like this is why I unfollowed this dude. He’s a resistance grifter.

Like I said the other day, he takes his Twitter celebrity way too seriously.

I used to like him a lot, but he’s so fucking annoying now. Nobody is right but him.

He’s an asshole.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:29:23pm

re: #117 Dave In Austin

If you indict Virginia, Clarance will have to step down.
That opens that seat with no Mitch to get in the way.

No he won’t.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:30:57pm

re: #124 The Pie Overlord!

Are these the ones in military gear, helmets and kevlar who appeared in the videos marching in single file holding on to one another’s collars?

Yes

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:31:17pm
133
Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:32:04pm

re: #130 No Malarkey!

No he won’t.

Unless they can find evidence that Clarence also was involved in the insurrection.

134
A Mom Anon  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:32:54pm

re: #133 Hecuba’s daughter

What if he had prior knowledge of it?

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:34:05pm

re: #133 Hecuba’s daughter

Unless they can find evidence that Clarence also was involved in the insurrection.

If Clarence gets indicted himself, its a whole new ballgame. Though I guess he could continue to be a Justice from prison, because the Senate Republicans wouldn’t vote to convict him in an impeachment trial.

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Citizen K  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:34:37pm

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh, the right wing gloating over this SCOTUS decision will be unbearable.

Just as unbearable will be the folks screaming “This is the Dems fault for not packing the court when they could!!”. Mostly because they’re the same folks who refused to come out in 2016 when all of this could have been nipped in the bud. Seeing what we’re seeing now, ‘pack/expand the courts’ was never going to be a realistic result, even with the mythical ‘push the Overton Window’ effect.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:35:16pm

re: #134 A Mom Anon

What if he had prior knowledge of it?

Under the law, you usually don’t have a duty to act.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:35:17pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:39:00pm

The most corporate-friendly SCOTUS in history.

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Citizen K  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:39:06pm

Power means you get to say that Up is Down and forcing people who know better to repeat it because they have no recourse to do otherwise.

The Supreme Court will truly be the death of us, and we won’t see any chance to properly rebalance it for at least a generation.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:39:19pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

I went to P.S. 9 right across the street

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:40:32pm

re: #140 Citizen K

Power means you get to say that Up is Down and forcing people who know better to repeat it because they have no recourse to do otherwise.

The Supreme Court will truly be the death of us, and we won’t see any chance to properly rebalance it for at least a generation.

Maybe my grandkids, if I’m blessed enough to have any, will get to grow up in a country where they can have nice things. I truly believe that my parents’ generation will have to die off before they finally relinquish their stranglehold on our culture and politics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:40:44pm
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:41:26pm
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Dopamine Fish  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:41:36pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

“A more serious effort?” Fuck right on out of here with that shit, you wanker. What more could they have done, hmm?

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:41:37pm

[edit] juante beat me to it. GMTA.

I just mentioned this morning how it is pronounced A - rab:

re: #6 jaunte

“…In addition to Rhodes and Vallejo, those named in the indictment include nine previously charged defendants: Thomas Caldwell, 67, of Berryville, Virginia; Joseph Hackett, 51, of Sarasota, Florida; Kenneth Harrelson, 41, of Titusville, Florida; Joshua James, 34, of Arab, Alabama; Kelly Meggs, 52, of Dunnellon, Florida; Roberto Minuta, 37, of Prosper, Texas ; David Moerschel, 44, of Punta Gorda, Florida; Brian Ulrich, 44, of Guyton, Georgia, and Jessica Watkins, 39, of Woodstock, Ohio. In addition to the earlier charges filed against them, they now face additional counts for seditious conspiracy and other offenses.
…………..
In one of the related cases, the original superseding indictment, charges remain pending against James Beeks, 49, of Orlando, Florida; Donovan Crowl, 51, of Cable, Ohio; William Isaacs, 22, of Kissimmee, Florida; Connie Meggs, 60, of Dunnellon, Florida; Sandra Parker, 63, of Morrow, Ohio; Bernie Parker, 71, of Morrow, Ohio, and Laura Steele, 53, of Thomasville, North Carolina. The other case charges Jonathan Walden, 57, of Birmingham, Alabama.”
justice.gov

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:42:48pm

re: #77 Belafon

I just realized I enlisted in the Navy, for one six year enlistment, 30 years ago today.

I enlisted in the navy 40 years ago this year (not to the day but in 1982). Was rejected for medical reasons. Hey, 2 open heart surgeries by the time I was 12 years old, what’s the problem. :-)

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:45:25pm

re: #140 Citizen K

Power means you get to say that Up is Down and forcing people who know better to repeat it because they have no recourse to do otherwise.

The Supreme Court will truly be the death of us, and we won’t see any chance to properly rebalance it for at least a generation.

All nine justices are fully vaccinated and boosted. So they know that they are sentencing people to die based on lies. buzzfeednews.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:46:17pm
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:47:05pm

re: #148 No Malarkey!

And, no one gets into the chamber with them unless vaccinated.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:47:40pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

The bitch blamed the Democrats for GOP intransigence. I don’t support primarying Manchin, because he will be replaced by a GOP Trump humper, but I hope Sinema gets her ass primaried.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:47:41pm
153
Teddy's Person  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:50:08pm

Has Sinema always been a garbage person?

My take is that she sees 6 years in the Senate as a resume building exercise and knows the people she must please to secure lucrative post-Senate gigs. Those corporate boards don’t direct themselves.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:52:28pm

re: #153 Teddy’s Person

I seem to recall she wasn’t quite this bad when she was in the House but then again, she didn’t have the kind of leverage there that she has now.

155
Dopamine Fish  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:54:31pm

I had forgotten this, but please note: The OSHA mandate is not yet dead. The Supreme Court granted a stay of the mandate pending resolution of the litigation. Is it bad, yes; see the tweet below. This ruling is a nakedly partisan floating dumpster fire. But the mandate isn’t dead yet.

156
ckkatz  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:56:04pm

re: #152 jaunte

The Robert’s Court of Calvinball…

157
jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:56:45pm

Roberts’ Radical Reactionaries

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:56:51pm

re: #155 Dopamine Fish

I had forgotten this, but please note: The OSHA mandate is not yet dead. The Supreme Court granted a stay of the mandate pending resolution of the litigation. Is it bad, yes; see the tweet below. This ruling is a nakedly partisan floating dumpster fire. But the mandate isn’t dead yet.

Its just mostly dead. When a judge says the other side is likely to prevail on the merits, you have a huge mountain to climb to change their minds.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:57:21pm
160
lawhawk  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:57:31pm

re: #158 No Malarkey!

Its just mostly dead. When a judge says the other side is likely to prevail on the merits, you have a huge mountain to climb to change their minds.

Like maybe a few of these right wing know nothings getting covid themselves…

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:58:19pm

re: #158 No Malarkey!

Its just mostly dead. When a judge says the other side is likely to prevail on the merits, you have a huge mountain to climb to change their minds.

I agree. And we all know this Court will not allow anything to stand in the way of Republicans getting to do what they want, including spread disease. I’m just saying, while the mandate is stayed, and the litigation will take for-fucking-ever (likely past the end of the pandemic), there’s always a chance.

162
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2022 • 12:58:30pm

re: #158 No Malarkey!

Its just mostly dead. When a judge says the other side is likely to prevail on the merits, you have a huge mountain to climb to change their minds.

It’s just resting, whilst pining for the fjords

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:00:08pm

re: #160 lawhawk

Like maybe a few of these right wing know nothings getting covid themselves…

They are all vaccinated and boosted. They may be reactionaries, but they aren’t stupid.

164
jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:00:31pm
165
No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:02:07pm

re: #164 jaunte

166
Dopamine Fish  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:03:01pm

re: #165 No Malarkey!

“That government is best which governs not at all, unless it does what we want it to do.”

167
JC1  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:03:59pm

re: #152 jaunte

Not defending the right-wing court.
But saying that the states can do more than the feds is not inconsistent. They didn’t say that states don’t have the power to enforce a mask mandate. They didn’t say that congress doesn’t have that power. Just that congress didn’t delegate that power to the federal agency.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:04:01pm

re: #166 Dopamine Fish

We* white reactionary men.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:05:33pm
170
JC1  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:06:02pm

Did justice KegStand vote that healthcare providers that accept Medicaid/Medicare founds can have a mandate enforced? Right wingers aren’t going to be happy.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:06:23pm

re: #151 No Malarkey!

The bitch blamed the Democrats for GOP intransigence. I don’t support primarying Manchin, because he will be replaced by a GOP Trump humper, but I hope Sinema gets her ass primaried.

I grew up and spent most of my life in Phx. Trust me. She will be primaried.

172
ckkatz  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:06:27pm

And, if you are not stressed enough…

Remember that tfg left us with a lot of real foreign policy messes. That the current administration is trying to clean up. But a lot of our allies, who got shafted by tfg and are wondering what will happen in 2024, are instinctively keeping their heads down. Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, China, Korea, Japan, and, of course:

173
No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:08:04pm

re: #170 JC1

Did justice KegStand vote that healthcare providers that accept Medicaid/Medicare founds can have a mandate enforced? Right wingers aren’t going to be happy.

He did. So they only voted to kill tens of thousands of workers, not tens of thousands of patients.

174
Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:12:13pm
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ckkatz  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:12:43pm

re: #169 Dopamine Fish

I hadn’t seen Mike Dunford’s Calvinball comment when I posted 156. But I suspect that the Calvinball label originated from him or Popehat some time ago.

176
No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:12:47pm

Two Kentucky insurrectionists sentenced to 15 days of intermittent incarceration, meaning they will have to spend weekends in jail or a halfway house.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:14:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:14:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:18:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:19:19pm
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:21:26pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Virus doesn’t care about Ben’s pride, compliance, or rejoicing. Just that he isn’t too dry to mutate in.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:22:01pm

re: #147 Eventual Carrion

I enlisted in the navy 40 years ago this year (not to the day but in 1982). Was rejected for medical reasons. Hey, 2 open heart surgeries by the time I was 12 years old, what’s the problem. :-)

I have a cousin that really needed to get into the military to get away from his family and the circumstances around him, and could not get in because of various medical issues, though not as bad as yours.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:24:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:25:32pm
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:25:34pm
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Citizen K  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:25:36pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

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Unfortunately, the problem has never bee the ‘what’, but the ‘how’. Especially when we have filibuster fetishists in the Senate not just refusing to act but making sure that all blame for their refusal to act falls on all Dems rather than just them, and thus ensuring we never have the majority to actual undo the filibuster or do anything that breaks the goddamn fever.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:26:16pm

re: #167 JC1

Not defending the right-wing court.
But saying that the states can do more than the feds is not inconsistent. They didn’t say that states don’t have the power to enforce a mask mandate. They didn’t say that congress doesn’t have that power. Just that congress didn’t delegate that power to the federal agency.

re: #169 Dopamine Fish

When Goldman Sachs tells everyone they have to get a shot, and Texas says nope they don’t here, who will the court choose?

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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:31:33pm

re: #182 Belafon

I have a cousin that really needed to get into the military to get away from his family and the circumstances around him, and could not get in because of various medical issues, though not as bad as yours.

Sounds like the kid that showed up in my Armor battalion in Kansas back in the day. His wealthy family tried to have him declared mentally incompetent so that his enlistment would be invalid. The CO & first sgt sat down with him, made sure he wanted to stay in and then the JAG office took care of him. I don’t know what became of him, but I’d like to imagine he’s drawing a pension somewhere.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:34:02pm

So, Grand Cyclops Rhodes and the other grift/traitors meekly submit to arrest after decades of blood curdling declarations of “molon labe,” “cold dead fingers,” “death before dishonor” etc. This will be very instructive for their dupes.

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JC1  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:34:39pm

re: #187 Belafon

When Goldman Sachs tells everyone they have to get a shot, and Texas says nope they don’t here, who will the court choose?

Goldman Sachs for sure. States rights is just cover for carrying the oligarchy’s water.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:40:23pm

Cosmic Girl taxing for takeoff
Launch planned in around 40 minutes

Youtube Video

Well, Cosmic Girl has taken off as I typed

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Jay C  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:48:29pm

re: #191 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

Technical question:
When I tried to play the Virgin Orbit clip, it reacted the way most clips now do: the comment block just goes blank (and nothing plays). This only happens on my iPad: might it have something to do with my having the “show embedded tweets” box deselected?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:52:10pm
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danarchy  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:55:34pm

re: #105 Belafon

So why don’t businesses allow smoking indoors?

Nothing to do with OSHA, they have no regulations regarding smoking, that is just a business decision. Much like most large companies are still going to require vaccinations regardless of a federal mandate.

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steve_davis  Jan 13, 2022 • 1:59:01pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

[Embedded content]

Video

would i be right in assuming there’s probably some sort of minimum travel distance before it arms itself?

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(((Archangel1)))  Jan 13, 2022 • 2:03:24pm

The conservatives on the Supreme Court just did wonders to effectively kill lots of Republicans who won’t be around to vote in future elections..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2022 • 2:04:15pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2022 • 2:05:48pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

But what if he was a cheesy villain who got his ass beat by the heroes?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2022 • 2:06:59pm
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Dangerman  Jan 13, 2022 • 2:07:11pm

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

But what if he was a cheesy villain who got his ass beat by the heroes?

i think the publisher was saving a step

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Crush White Nationalism  Jan 13, 2022 • 2:10:02pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 13, 2022 • 2:15:24pm

re: #201 Punish Domestic Terrorists

He missed center mass.


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