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I have to confess one of the reasons I’m watching these press briefings: to see how low the White House press corps will go today. Was there ever a time when at least some of the reporters at these briefings didn’t ask incredibly stupid gotcha questions? I must have been dreaming that.

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1
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:00:50am

Psak Attack!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:07:40am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:07:51am

psaki to me, baby!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:11:40am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s just not fun when there’s no Libs to own, is it boys?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:12:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:15:46am
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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:20:42am

Alex Jones is nuts

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:23:17am

re: #7 No Malarkey!

Alex Jones is nuts

performance art to the extreme

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:23:57am
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KGxvi  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:25:42am

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

I fear tonight was the beginning of the end of the Senate being the legislative body that stands in the way of radical change by either party.

Friendly reminder: Senate Republicans aren’t actually interested in legislating because they know, deep down, that their stated agenda would actually be very unpopular with voters and they’d be routed in subsequent elections in all but the deepest red states. This is why I believe to my core that the Republicans will never do away with the filibuster if given the opportunity.

In personal news:

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:26:34am

“I’m not going to respond to individual people in focus groups [you idiot].”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:26:59am

I wonder if the other passengers can sue Maskless Karen

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A Cranky One  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:29:23am

re: #10 KGxvi

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:29:32am
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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:30:01am

re: #10 KGxvi

In personal news:

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dharmamark  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:30:22am

re: #10 KGxvi

re: #10 KGxvi

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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:35:25am

re: #10 KGxvi

Friendly reminder: Senate Republicans aren’t actually interested in legislating because they know, deep down, that their stated agenda would actually be very unpopular with voters and they’d be routed in subsequent elections in all but the deepest red states. This is why I believe to my core that the Republicans will never do away with the filibuster if given the opportunity.

In personal news:

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:37:09am

Speaking of focus groups.

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Jay C  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:37:44am

re: #10 KGxvi

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:38:26am

re: #10 KGxvi

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:39:40am

Reminds me of a science fiction short story I read years ago in which algorithms determined the single person most representative of the entire nation, and that person was designated as the only voter that year.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:40:41am
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Jay C  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:41:00am

re: #21 jaunte

Reminds me of a science fiction short story I read years ago in which algorithms determined the single person most representative of the entire nation, and that person was designated as the only voter that year.

And they were located in a booth in a diner in rural Iowa, I suppose…..

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Citizen K  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:41:10am

re: #10 KGxvi

Friendly reminder: Senate Republicans aren’t actually interested in legislating because they know, deep down, that their stated agenda would actually be very unpopular with voters and they’d be routed in subsequent elections in all but the deepest red states. This is why I believe to my core that the Republicans will never do away with the filibuster if given the opportunity.

In personal news:

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aatharuv  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:42:00am

re: #21 jaunte

Reminds me of a science fiction short story I read years ago in which algorithms determined the single person most representative of the entire nation, and that person was designated as the only voter that year.

That was Franchise, by Isaac Asimov

Franchise (short story) - Wikipedia

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:45:13am

“Norman Muller of Bloomington, Indiana” the most representative white German-American available.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:45:51am

re: #21 jaunte

Reminds me of a science fiction short story I read years ago in which algorithms determined the single person most representative of the entire nation, and that person was designated as the only voter that year.

There are real-world algorithms that will generate a very fair redistricting map. Somehow the cartographers who developed them are never taken up on it.

Which brings up:

Cartographers for Social Equality - The West Wing

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:46:32am

re: #10 KGxvi

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aatharuv  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:47:28am

The FBI raided the home of the most Trump friendly Democrat in the House of Representatives - Henry Cuellar. He had barely (Edit:) won lost a primary challenge.

msnbc.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:53:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 11:54:32am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:04:42pm

Another Perfect Phone Call (in spoilers because banned from Twitter)

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austin_blue  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:05:19pm

re: #7 No Malarkey!

Alex Jones is nuts

He’s a very rich TrustFundBabyNut, though.

And like Drumpf, it’s all for the Grifter Show.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:09:21pm

re: #32 The Pie Overlord!

Not sure what’s real there. I’m confused.

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Jay C  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:11:26pm

re: #32 The Pie Overlord!

Another Perfect Phone Call (in spoilers because banned from Twitter)

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OMG - this idiot was POTUS??
This sounds like some weaselly email some smartass high school student would write after being busted trying to bullshit a better grade out of their teachers …..

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:12:06pm

re: #10 KGxvi

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sagehen  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:21:27pm

re: #21 jaunte

Reminds me of a science fiction short story I read years ago in which algorithms determined the single person most representative of the entire nation, and that person was designated as the only voter that year.

Franchise
by Isaac Asimov
(1955)
en.wikipedia.org

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austin_blue  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:22:15pm

Kinda CLd, but important to how the News Media works by using a slanted story to get clicks. It’s not Fake News, but look how deep they bury the Lede:

So Russia may try to fuck around in Ukraine, daring Europe to do something about it.

They just may find out, throwing the western world into a potential Nuclear Exchange.

But the CNN Business headline and the story they tell?:

cnn.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:27:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:28:45pm
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lawhawk  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:30:41pm

re: #10 KGxvi

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:31:04pm

moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:32:51pm
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lawhawk  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:33:37pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

She just learned… yeah… that’s a load of crap. I have a bridge to sell.

And the Internet is forever, we saw her tweets. We saw her public statements. Investigators have all that and more. We’re just waiting for her to take the 5th along with so many others in Trumpworld should they actually testify instead of refusing altogther (as if refusal is not implicitly admitting that they have something to hide).

The Email lady didn’t refuse to testify. She testified under oath for hours.. and the GOP couldn’t lay a finger on her. Didn’t take the 5th either.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:33:50pm

re: #10 KGxvi

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:34:54pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:36:49pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t believe that Manchin is doing more than just blowing more smoke. He is fully fine with the GOP “do nothing” course and this is all just deflection from being properly viewed as being an obstruction and part of the real problem.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:37:19pm

re: #35 Jay C

OMG - this idiot was POTUS??
This sounds like some weaselly email some smartass high school student would write after being busted trying to bullshit a better grade out of their teachers …..

And he’ll be POTUS again if the GOP get their way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:37:38pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:40:08pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’re also at risk of losing the House again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:40:47pm
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lawhawk  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:41:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:42:00pm

meanwhile in Kentucky

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:43:04pm

re: #52 lawhawk

I’m awaiting their cheese shop sketch response of saying “Oh… the cat’s eaten it!”

I hope that the judge just losses patience with these clods and hammers them into the ground with no mercy whatsoever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:45:22pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in Kentucky

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:47:15pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

But we don’t need a Federal voting rights bill.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:48:37pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

But we don’t need a Federal voting rights bill.

Of course not, the correct side is winning.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:49:28pm
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A Mom Anon  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:49:38pm

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s also the senate seat held by Raphael Warnock to hold on to. I think he has a good shot at it, but the dirty shit the state government is planning might end up sinking him. The candidates challenging him are crap, but one never knows.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:51:15pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There is no such thing as bipartisan election reform in 2022.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:52:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:55:55pm
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KGxvi  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:57:36pm

Thanks everyone. Really means a lot

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:57:42pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I don’t think Biden’s going to have a problem with touting the differences between the parties.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 12:57:49pm

Greg Abbott’s politically-driven border policy is being enforced harshly in only a couple of counties, and otherwise being dropped in many cases where the county attorney recognizes migrants with a credible asylum claim.

“…Instead of sitting in jail for 6 months to a year on trespassing charges, as Abbott suggested, some immigrants are resolving their cases in far less time or being released from jail on bond. They are then free to stay in the U.S. as they make their claims for asylum.”
…….
“Operation Lone Star has allowed our clients to avoid federal programs where they would have not only been expelled, but would have had to remain in Mexico [amid] pending asylum proceedings,” said Kristin Etter, an attorney with Texas RioGrande Legal Aid who has represented more than 700 of the migrants. “Furthermore, even if our clients are convicted of criminal trespass under Operation Lone Star, that has no impact on their immigration status and does not make them ineligible for asylum or other forms of immigration relief.”
…….
“…Last week … a Travis County judge dismissed the case against a migrant arrested on criminal trespassing charges in Kinney County, ruling that Abbott’s arrest plan runs afoul of the U.S. Constitution by obstructing the federal government’s enforcement of immigration laws.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:00:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:01:32pm
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:03:06pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

A “playbook” to deal with a mad President who has zero respect for our nation.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:03:59pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lawsuit has already been filed by Democrats against the gerrymander.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:05:01pm
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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:05:57pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

The off-ramp is to get vaccinated. The only other off-ramp is to die.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:06:43pm

re: #69 No Malarkey!

Lawsuit has already been filed by Democrats against the gerrymander.

I’m surpassed it took that long. Elias is nobody’s fool.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:07:22pm

re: #71 No Malarkey!

The off-ramp is to get vaccinated. The only other off-ramp is to die.

But only after much suffering.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:09:04pm

re: #59 A Mom Anon

There’s also the senate seat held by Raphael Warnock to hold on to. I think he has a good shot at it, but the dirty shit the state government is planning might end up sinking him. The candidates challenging him are crap, but one never knows.

I think with Warnock and Abrams on the ticket there should be a good African-American turnout in Georgia.

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KGxvi  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:09:09pm

I’m slightly surprised there hasn’t been any effort in any state to try and move at least one chamber of the state legislatures to proportional representation.

Since state senates can no longer represent counties regardless of population, it would make a bit more sense to have one chamber with proportional representation and the other with single member districts. The flip side is that proportional representation gives the parties too much power, and that’s not really been something Americans have been willing to tolerate for the last 100 years or so.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:12:33pm

re: #75 KGxvi

I’m slightly surprised there hasn’t been any effort in any state to try and move at least one chamber of the state legislatures to proportional representation.

Since state senates can no longer represent counties regardless of population, it would make a bit more sense to have one chamber with proportional representation and the other with single member districts. The flip side is that proportional representation gives the parties too much power, and that’s not really been something Americans have been willing to tolerate for the last 100 years or so.

I believe that proportional representation is prohibited by federal law, because it was being gamed by racists. That law needs to be repealed, with safeguards, of course.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:12:34pm

re: #74 No Malarkey!

I think with Warnock and Abrams on the ticket there should be a good African-American turnout in Georgia.

If they can vote. If the partisan poll watchers don’t throw them out.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:12:59pm

re: #75 KGxvi

I’m slightly surprised there hasn’t been any effort in any state to try and move at least one chamber of the state legislatures to proportional representation.

Since state senates can no longer represent counties regardless of population, it would make a bit more sense to have one chamber with proportional representation and the other with single member districts. The flip side is that proportional representation gives the parties too much power, and that’s not really been something Americans have been willing to tolerate for the last 100 years or so.

Proportional representation wouldn’t allow states that elect Democratic governors have Republican supermajorities.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:15:02pm

re: #35 Jay C

OMG - this idiot was POTUS??
This sounds like some weaselly email some smartass high school student would write after being busted trying to bullshit a better grade out of their teachers …..

Maybe Baron has a new job.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:15:21pm

re: #75 KGxvi

I’m slightly surprised there hasn’t been any effort in any state to try and move at least one chamber of the state legislatures to proportional representation.

Since state senates can no longer represent counties regardless of population, it would make a bit more sense to have one chamber with proportional representation and the other with single member districts. The flip side is that proportional representation gives the parties too much power, and that’s not really been something Americans have been willing to tolerate for the last 100 years or so.

Germany elects half of its Parliament by direct mandate and half by proportion: each party puts up a list of candidates and they are selected starting at the top of the list based on the party’s share of the vote.

For that, Germany has over 700 representatives for only about one quarter of the US population

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:15:53pm

re: #77 Hecuba’s daughter

If they can vote. If the partisan poll watchers don’t throw them out.

Or partisan election officials invalidate their ballots.

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KGxvi  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:17:52pm

re: #76 No Malarkey!

I believe that proportional representation is prohibited by federal law, because it was being gamed by racists. That law needs to be repealed, with safeguards, of course.

I’m not aware of any such law. I’m also not sure it’s ever actually been tried at any level beyond the local level.

re: #78 Belafon

Proportional representation wouldn’t allow states that elect Democratic governors have Republican supermajorities.

It would also probably weaken Democratic majorities in solid blue states - for example, in California Dems hold a super-majority in the Assembly (60 of 80 seats) but based on presidential and gubernatorial elections, would likely lose 7 or 8 seats.

It just seems like a type of reform that should at least be discussed

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steve_davis  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:17:59pm

re: #3 Barefoot Grin

psaki to me, baby!

your love is like a rainbow. your love is like a rainbow, baby.

oh, who the fuck was that? Country Joe and the Fish?

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KGxvi  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:19:13pm

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’m solidly in the camp that the House should be expanded. I also think the California legislature should be expanded/reformed - 80 Assembly members and 40 Senators for a state with nearly 40m people is absurd.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:23:07pm

re: #83 steve_davis

How’s my little girl? Need more pics!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:23:50pm

re: #84 KGxvi

I’m solidly in the camp that the House should be expanded. I also think the California legislature should be expanded/reformed - 80 Assembly members and 40 Senators for a state with nearly 40m people is absurd.

And probably unlikely to change since in our polarized and charged political environment one or the other party would view a change as being sufficiently disadvantageous that they would solidly oppose it.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:23:51pm

re: #10 KGxvi

In personal news:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:23:57pm

re: #71 No Malarkey!

The off-ramp is to get vaccinated. The only other off-ramp is to die.

“scapegoats and second-class citizens”

fer fuck’s sake.

“sociopaths and losers” are the better terms here

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:25:25pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:26:28pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did Rep. Bowman spread feces or steal any podiums?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:27:05pm

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did Rep. Bowman spread feces or steal any podiums?

protesting while Black

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:27:08pm

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“scapegoats and second-class citizens”

fer fuck’s sake.

“sociopaths and losers” are the better terms here

Self-imposed 2nd class. And they constantly compare themselves to those who have been purposefully scapegoated and treated as 2nd class by governmental and social entities repeatedly. And seriously punished for that instead of being subject to relatively weak mandates and some verbal scolding.

I still think the change will come when the insurance companies seriously decide to pass on the costs to those who refuse to get the shots. Once people are taking the hit directly to their wallet you will see how serious they are about these so-called principles and religious objections.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:28:31pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:29:38pm

Spotted in the wilds of Vancouver B.C, Canada. A very rare and almost extinct communications animal in apparent good health.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:29:43pm

re: #92 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Once people are taking the hit directly to their wallet you will see how serious they are about these so-called principles and religious objections.

A lot of people have literally chosen this hill to die on. And they are so twisted in their belief that QAnon is spreading rumors that nurses are murdering unvaccinated Covid patients in hospitals to tweak the statistics…

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:30:02pm

re: #27 Decatur Deb

Never seen that before. I love it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:30:25pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:30:30pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

protesting while Black

“Good trouble”

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:30:37pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

Like it was shot yesterday.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:31:21pm

re: #94 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Spotted in the wilds of Vancouver B.C, Canada. A very rare and almost extinct communications animal in apparent good health.

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You made it! How was the crossing?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:33:07pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:33:36pm
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Belafon  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:35:13pm

re: #82 KGxvi

I’m not aware of any such law. I’m also not sure it’s ever actually been tried at any level beyond the local level.

It would also probably weaken Democratic majorities in solid blue states - for example, in California Dems hold a super-majority in the Assembly (60 of 80 seats) but based on presidential and gubernatorial elections, would likely lose 7 or 8 seats.

It just seems like a type of reform that should at least be discussed

I like it. Anything that forces part of the system to accommodate actual people’s preferences.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:35:19pm

If Ivanka testifies voluntarily, Daddy will disown her…

105
jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:35:55pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:38:50pm

re: #105 jaunte

What are they going to do when the Migrant Caravans find out and come streaming over the border?

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lawhawk  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:39:13pm

re: #72 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m surpassed it took that long. Elias is nobody’s fool.

Ripeness of the matter at hand.

It had to be enacted in to law before you could sue on it.

Had it not been enacted via a veto override, the courts would not have considered it actionable since the conditions and the relief would not be present.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:40:42pm

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

1. Migrant Caravans will arrive to temporarily fill the jobs of National Guard temporarily detached to prevent them from entering.
2. Lower wages.
3. Profit!

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lawhawk  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:41:00pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

That’s why so many right wingers wear masks as chin diapers and not over their mouth and nose. You’d think after watching decades of hospital-related shows on TV, these dumbasses would know how this works…

110
steve_davis  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:48:16pm

all right, which one of you would like to buy me this? Seriously, this is a beautiful guitar.

fendercustomshop.com

111
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:52:29pm

re: #110 steve_davis

all right, which one of you would like to buy me this? Seriously, this is a beautiful guitar.

fendercustomshop.com

Dare I ask how much something like that costs?

112
Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:52:59pm

re: #77 Hecuba’s daughter

If they can vote. If the partisan poll watchers don’t throw them out.

Someone will be watching the watchers.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:55:51pm

re: #108 jaunte

1. Migrant Caravans will arrive to temporarily fill the jobs of National Guard temporarily detached to prevent them from entering.
2. Lower wages.
3. Profit!

While NG are serving on a Federal call-up, their jobs are protected. Oh…wait… there was no DoD call-up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:56:22pm

re: #108 jaunte

1. Migrant Caravans will arrive to temporarily fill the jobs of National Guard temporarily detached to prevent them from entering.
2. Lower wages.
3. Profit!

Damn, what a plan. They must have been refining this one since spring of 2020.

Much cheaper and easier than looking to hire extra staff, expanding facilities and putting safety measures and procedures in place.

115
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:57:37pm

re: #3 Barefoot Grin

psaki to me, baby!

Jen Psaki could team up with Marissa Tomei from My Cousin Vinnie and found

Psaki/Tomei

116
jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:57:38pm

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Plan one always seems to be “who can we order to do the work?”

117
Jay C  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:57:49pm

re: #58 Dave In Austin

With the possible exception of “border security” ( which is mainly GOP tough-talk BS), I would say the Biden Administration is doing a fine job on every item in Rep. Williams’ little list.
But then, being a Democrat and a Biden voter, I’m sure I’ll never be asked…..

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Dangerman  Jan 20, 2022 • 1:58:41pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sorry

all this pointing out the hypocrisy is…pointless

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:00:04pm

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Teddy's Person  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:00:43pm

re: #117 Jay C

With the possible exception of “border security” ( which is mainly GOP tough-talk BS), I would say the Biden Administration is doing a fine job on every item in Rep. Williams’ little list.
But then, being a Democrat and a Biden voter, I’m sure I’ll never be asked…..

You must not frequent the right diners. 😏

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:01:04pm

re: #116 jaunte

Plan one always seems to be “who can we order to do the work?”

Remember them citing the Defense Production Act to force meat-packers back to the slaughterhouses?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:01:08pm
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steve_davis  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:01:27pm

re: #111 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Dare I ask how much something like that costs?

apparently, I have to actually go to a “showcase dealer” which is NOT a regular fender dealer, in order to find out. I’m guessing 6 grand?

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:02:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:02:07pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

While NG are serving on a Federal call-up, their jobs are protected. Oh…wait… there was no DoD call-up.

and the NG still won’t get paid

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:02:55pm

If youse are handing out guitars, I would like a Gibson Firebird.

Played a borrowed one at a gig once, my best solo ever.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:05:55pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the NG still won’t get paid

For a lot of the Guard and reservists I’ve worked with, the annual 2-week Fed training pay is their pocket money for the year.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:08:59pm

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:09:29pm

I have to say, this infuriates me.

Vaccinated patients are more likely to survive a coronavirus infection than unvaccinated ones, and health-care workers might give them more attention as a medical judgment rather than a moral one. (But such calculus is tricky: “You should preferentially give monoclonal antibodies to unvaccinated people,” Wynia told me, because each dose will be more likely to keep someone out of the hospital.)

Sure, give limited resources to those who did nothing to care for themselves. Taking that same limited resources away from someone who may need it but actually did the right thing because they will maybe survive is bullshit.

I hate selfish, ignorant unvaxxed people with the heat of 1000 Suns.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:09:59pm

re: #123 steve_davis

apparently, I have to actually go to a “showcase dealer” which is NOT a regular fender dealer, in order to find out. I’m guessing 6 grand?

I believe that one’s about $4K.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:11:11pm

re: #83 steve_davis

your love is like a rainbow. your love is like a rainbow, baby.

oh, who the fuck was that? Country Joe and the Fish?

“Laugh In,” I think. Even Nixon got in on the joke.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:11:18pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

When the Yellow River floods, the wise general keeps to a dry camp.

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Dangerman  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:11:40pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

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McEnany needed someone to tell her this.
she wasnt smart enough to just ‘know’

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:13:00pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

While NG are serving on a Federal call-up, their jobs are protected. Oh…wait… there was no DoD call-up.

Texas Guardsmen are about to lose their cars and homes to satisfy Abbott’s ego.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:14:08pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

I believe that one’s about $4K.

Steve just saved 2 grand. He can’t pass that by.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:14:50pm

re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If youse are handing out guitars, I would like a Gibson Firebird.

Played a borrowed one at a gig once, my best solo ever.

I have one ca 1966. But it’s a non-reverse w/ the 3 P90s, not one of the cool kids.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:16:04pm

re: #136 Barefoot Grin

I have one ca 1966. But it’s a non-reverse w/ the 3 P90s, not one of the cool kids.

Thanks for the offer, DM me for the mailing address. I will gladly cover shipping costs…

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:16:41pm

re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Thanks for the offer, DM me for the mailing address. I will gladly cover shipping costs…

I’ll get right on that.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:16:42pm

re: #134 Belafon

Texas Guardsmen are about to lose their cars and homes to satisfy Abbott’s ego.

One guy killed himself. His wife had just had surgery and he was denied a compassionate excuse to not go back (whatever it’s called), lost his car, was going to lose his house and he just offed himself. Or was a sad, horrible and infuriating story. I read it yesterday or the day before. Abbott could die tomorrow and I’d just shrug.

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Dangerman  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:17:03pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

i mean i know he’s being a dick.
do i really gotta say they arent instructions?
bryan can’t read?

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Dangerman  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:18:18pm

re: #105 jaunte

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actual substitute teachers have some training (at least they used to)

they’re deploying babysitters

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:18:34pm

re: #140 Dangerman

i mean i know he’s being a dick.
do i really gotta say they arent instructions?
bryan can’t read?

why does Bryan need the instructions?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:18:50pm

re: #138 Barefoot Grin

I’ll get right on that.

I will send you my choice of lettering for the hand-tooled leather strap

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:18:57pm

re: #139 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

One guy killed himself. His wife had just had surgery and he was denied a compassionate excuse to not go back (whatever it’s called), lost his car, was going to lose his house and he just offed himself. Or was a sad, horrible and infuriating story. I read it yesterday or the day before. Abbott could die tomorrow and I’d just shrug.

Do you have a link?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:19:38pm

re: #141 Dangerman

actual substitute teachers have some training (at least they used to)

they’re deploying babysitters

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At one time, they had to at least have a university degree (I believe that has been waived in most places)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:20:29pm

re: #134 Belafon

Texas Guardsmen are about to lose their cars and homes to satisfy Abbott’s ego.

How exactly can the state get away with not paying them?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:22:02pm

re: #144 Belafon

Do you have a link?

Let me Google.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:22:38pm

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

How exactly can the state get away with not paying them?

I assume they get extra guard deployment pay, but that is not going to fully replace the lost wages from their day jobs.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:23:04pm

re: #144 Belafon

Do you have a link?

Here’s a link to an Army Times story on the issue. Not sure if it’s the story Yeah Sure is referring to.

Wave of suicides hits Texas National Guard’s border mission

150
Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:23:21pm

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

How exactly can the state get away with not paying them?

For a guess, they are paid according to their military pay grade—often much less than their civilian jobs. I’m not current on changes or asshole Texas state rules, however.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:23:58pm

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I will send you my choice of lettering for the hand-tooled leather strap

It’s had the same strap as when I got it in 1978. They’re inseparable. Sorry, deal’s off.

152
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:24:26pm

re: #149 Teddy’s Person

Here’s a link to an Army Times story on the issue. Not sure if it’s the story Yeah Sure is referring to.

Wave of suicides hits Texas National Guard’s border mission

also
Texas lawmakers deplore mistreatment of National Guardsmen sent to border duty

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:24:56pm

re: #151 Barefoot Grin

It’s had the same strap as when I got it in 1978. They’re inseparable. Sorry, deal’s off.

You should learn to compromise. Send him an NFT.

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Dangerman  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:26:12pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

why does Bryan need the instructions?

i was going for the Hanes underwear inspector 12 reference, then i remembered this.
this is why bryan needs the instructions.

YouTube

155
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:27:13pm
156
Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:27:14pm

re: #153 Decatur Deb

You should learn to compromise. Send him an NFT.

You put the fun in non-fungible.

157
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:28:47pm
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sagehen  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:29:25pm

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did Rep. Bowman spread feces or steal any podiums?

Or stab any cops with a flagpole?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:29:51pm

This cold wave is much worse than we expected.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:31:21pm

re: #159 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

This cold wave is much worse than we expected.

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OI! Who are you to be takin’ photos in my back yard, eh?

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danarchy  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:31:27pm

re: #129 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I have to say, this infuriates me.

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Sure, give limited resources to those who did nothing to care for themselves. Taking that same limited resources away from someone who may need it but actually did the right thing because they will maybe survive is bullshit.

I hate selfish, ignorant unvaxxed people with the heat of 1000 Suns.

I get the sentiment, but that is a slippery slope. Do you deny healthcare to smokers? They are making a bad choice that leads to horrible health outcomes, how about the morbidly obese? Drug users? People who participate in extreme sports and inevitably injure themselves?

They all make bad life choices that can land them in the hospital, do they all get to the back of the line too?

162
Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:31:48pm

re: #159 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

This cold wave is much worse than we expected.

[Embedded content]

Fukn’ Imperial Reservists—it says “Do Not Operate Near Power Lines” right inside the cover of the TM.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:32:05pm

re: #151 Barefoot Grin

It’s had the same strap as when I got it in 1978. They’re inseparable. Sorry, deal’s off.

probably the same strings then, too…so fine.

164
Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:33:31pm

re: #140 Dangerman

i mean i know he’s being a dick.
do i really gotta say they arent instructions?
bryan can’t read?

Republicans have an unerring instinct for exploiting the bigotry of their constituents. He’s probably trying to get the coveted Trump Jr. retweet.

165
Dangerman  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:34:39pm

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did Rep. Bowman spread feces or steal any podiums?

Ds arrested protesting for civil rights for people.
Rs arrested for voter fraud, sex trafficking (a gaetz conviction would be nice).

The Media: Will Democrats’ Legal Problems Jeopardize control of Congress?

166
HRH Stanley Sea  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:34:53pm

re: #10 KGxvi

uKrwQX3cG1GZSRrCzwWxiVIp7DGEIR9L

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William Lewis  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:34:54pm

re: #110 steve_davis

all right, which one of you would like to buy me this? Seriously, this is a beautiful guitar.

fendercustomshop.com

Very pretty. Though my own tastes run a slightly different direction these days, after getting my SE Standard 24, I’d probably want this beauty if I were to buy another guitar.

168
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:36:08pm

re: #144 Belafon

Do you have a link?

I can’t find the specific story but this will bring you up to speed. I’ll keep looking. It was in my notifications which means it disappears once I read it.

nytimes.com

armytimes.com

military.com

military.com

169
sagehen  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:36:12pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

One of the FBI TV shows, the head of the office is a widower of a Mohawk KIA in Afghanistan, he’s still close to his in-laws and raising his 1/2 Mohawk daughter with full tribal culture.

There was an episode where she got grabbed up by a MAGA ICE agent who wanted to deport her and her immigration activist group to Guatemala because that’s what he thought they looked like, he had a whole rant about “invaders” to America. The FBI agent beat the crap out of him, said “hey asshole, fuck you, she’s a 300th generation American.”

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William Lewis  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:36:21pm

re: #127 Decatur Deb

For a lot of the Guard and reservists I’ve worked with, the annual 2-week Fed training pay is their pocket money for the year.

Bought a lot of toys with that money and the drill weekend money was beer money for the month.

171
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:36:45pm

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

How exactly can the state get away with not paying them?

See the 4th link I posted above.

172
Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:37:07pm

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

probably the same strings then, too…so fine.

They still have blood on them from that gig at the public pool for family swim night.

173
Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:40:40pm

re: #161 danarchy

I get the sentiment, but that is a slippery slope. Do you deny healthcare to smokers? They are making a bad choice that leads to horrible health outcomes, how about the morbidly obese? Drug users? People who participate in extreme sports and inevitably injure themselves?

They all make bad life choices that can land them in the hospital, do they all get to the back of the line too?

Smokers impact their own lives. I smoke. My smoking doesn’t prevent care to others. It’s not a deadly viral disease. It’s not going to stop surgeries to others or let someone with a heart attack die because there’s no space. It impacts ME. There’s a huge difference.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:42:16pm

re: #169 sagehen

One of the FBI TV shows, the head of the office is a widower of a Mohawk KIA in Afghanistan, he’s still close to his in-laws and raising his 1/2 Mohawk daughter with full tribal culture.

There was an episode where she got grabbed up by a MAGA ICE agent who wanted to deport her and her immigration activist group to Guatemala because that’s what he thought they looked like, he had a whole rant about “invaders” to America. The FBI agent beat the crap out of him, said “hey asshole, fuck you, she’s a 300th generation American.”

FBI: Most Wanted. It’s one of our favorite shows. And that was a great episode.

175
sagehen  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:48:49pm

re: #161 danarchy

I get the sentiment, but that is a slippery slope. Do you deny healthcare to smokers? They are making a bad choice that leads to horrible health outcomes, how about the morbidly obese? Drug users? People who participate in extreme sports and inevitably injure themselves?

They all make bad life choices that can land them in the hospital, do they all get to the back of the line too?

When the hospitals are so overflowing they’ve got patients in tents in the parking lot, there’s twice as many patients per nurse as State Law requires, when they can’t admit heart attacks and strokes because there’s no room in the ICU… that’s not ordinary we-don’t-wanna standards. That’s necessary triage, they call it crisis care, and the slope isn’t slippery at all.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:53:29pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Last I heard, there were several hundred people arrested for staging a coup attempt at the Capitol.

177
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:01:50pm

re: #176 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Last I heard, there were several hundred people arrested for staging a coup attempt at the Capitol.

Not the same day as the coup attempt

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:07:15pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not the same day as the coup attempt

Because the arresting officers had just been fighting, outnumbered and outgunned, for hours to protect our Legislative branch. Stop this bullshit.

179
Mike Lamb  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:11:08pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

You stay there. Once I cross this thing, I’m going to murder you.

180
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:14:20pm

re: #178 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Because the arresting officers had just been fighting, outnumbered and outgunned, for hours to protect our Legislative branch. Stop this bullshit.

oh please

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:16:13pm

The freaking point is that Rep Bowman got arrested AT THE RIGHT TO VOTE PROTEST.

It was not violent, but he STILL GOT ARRESTED AT THE PROTEST.

unlike the trumpsters who beat up cops and destroyed federal property.

What part of that is “BULLSHIT”???

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:54:29pm

re: #129 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I have to say, this infuriates me.

[Embedded content]

Sure, give limited resources to those who did nothing to care for themselves. Taking that same limited resources away from someone who may need it but actually did the right thing because they will maybe survive is bullshit.

I hate selfish, ignorant unvaxxed people with the heat of 1000 Suns.

If you need a liver transplant but won’t quit drinking, they won’t give you one either.

183
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:55:15pm

re: #161 danarchy

Smoking and obesity aren’t contagious diseases that put others at risk.


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