The Bob Cesca Podcast: The Track Suit Mafia

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

The Track Suit Mafia — [Explicit Content] Exclusive “tape” of an Eric Trump phone call subpoenaed by the 1/6 committee (not really). Eric took the 5th on 500 questions. Letitia James ramps up her pursuit of the Trump Organization’s corruption and fraud. Fulton County, GA, district attorney asks to empanel a grand jury to investigate Trump’s election theft. Republicans block voting rights and filibuster reform. Mitch McConnell racist blurt about African-Americans. The Supreme Court sticks it to Trump. Trump’s secret pillow fort meetings. Bennie Thompson looking at Ivanka Trump. You might be done with COVID but COVID isn’t done with you. With Jody Hamilton and David TRex Ferguson, and music by Callex and JRo and the Master of One, and more!

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:37:56pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:40:17pm

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

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He’s probably been getting stink-eye in Buckhead.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:59:07pm
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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 2:59:17pm

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

As if there wasn’t audio.

At one point Trump came out and said, “I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state.” (Joe Biden’s margin of victory in Georgia was 11,779.)

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steve_davis  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:04:27pm

Here’s a kind of thought experiment, prefaced with the understanding that The Hobbit is a fictional tale, unlike The Lord of the Rings, which is clearly a found-footage documentary. As I recall, bilbo returns home from the mountain with a small horse laden with two packs of treasure from Smaug’s horde. One thing I’ve always been curious about is what that translates into in terms of actual wealth. Let’s stipulate that the packs are only of gold, no jewels. I don’t know exactly what a small horse could comfortably carry from day to day on the trip back—maybe 125 pounds of gold? What happens when he arrives home? Medieval and feudal societies tend to be very cash poor. There aren’t really any banks so wealth is hoarded in land. To add to this, bilbo arrives home with a mitheril chain mail shirt and a sword that would both make him by themselves one of the wealthiest people around. Boromir will say to Frodo without irony that the chain mail is worth more than the value of many small kingdoms. So again, what realistically could bilbo do with that wealth? To use it would be to spawn massive inflation. Who wants to give a ballpark estimate on what bilbo’s wealth would be in 2022 dollars?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:04:40pm

JFC

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gocart mozart  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:04:48pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:06:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:09:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:12:29pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:14:36pm

Anyone having problems with Twitter? I can’t see responses

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:14:54pm

Pass this on to anyone moaning about Democrats not doing enough about (insert particular interest).

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William Lewis  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:15:13pm

re: #5 steve_davis

He probably did very little. A coin here, a few there. Paid the workers in gifts bought from outside with the riches. The mail & sword sat in a closet I’m sure, till Frodo grabbed them on the way out of town with the bauble.

Equivalent value today? Look at what Drake brought back to London in 1580 for a thought.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:16:05pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:17:54pm

re: #5 steve_davis

Here’s a kind of thought experiment, prefaced with the understanding that The Hobbit is a fictional tale, unlike The Lord of the Rings, which is clearly a found-footage documentary. As I recall, bilbo returns home from the mountain with a small horse laden with two packs of treasure from Smaug’s horde. One thing I’ve always been curious about is what that translates into in terms of actual wealth. Let’s stipulate that the packs are only of gold, no jewels. I don’t know exactly what a small horse could comfortably carry from day to day on the trip back—maybe 125 pounds of gold? What happens when he arrives home? Medieval and feudal societies tend to be very cash poor. There aren’t really any banks so wealth is hoarded in land. To add to this, bilbo arrives home with a mitheril chain mail shirt and a sword that would both make him by themselves one of the wealthiest people around. Boromir will say to Frodo without irony that the chain mail is worth more than the value of many small kingdoms. So again, what realistically could bilbo do with that wealth? To use it would be to spawn massive inflation. Who wants to give a ballpark estimate on what bilbo’s wealth would be in 2022 dollars?

First I have to ask, are there strip clubs in the Shire?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:19:37pm

boofuckinghoo

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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:20:11pm

re: #11 Dave In Austin

Anyone having problems with Twitter? I can’t see responses

I did have a momentary problem.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:20:32pm

re: #2 Barefoot Grin

Death threats. He spoke about it after Trump’s call asking him to find votes. Kemp and his wife got them as well. Didn’t change their asshole politics, but I would guess this is a factor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:20:52pm
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Citizen K  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:21:11pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reading between the lines a bit here … I do not think this is the kind of dissent Sotomayor would write if five justices decided to save Roe.

She no doubt sees the writing on the wall. And the fact that she can do nothing but scream into the void has to be despairing.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:21:58pm

re: #12 jaunte

Pass this on to anyone moaning about Democrats not doing enough about (insert particular interest).

I suspect our only hope of holding Congress in the midterms is a massive backlash when SCOTUS reverses Roe this summer and abortion becomes illegal in half the country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:22:11pm
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sagehen  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:22:53pm

re: #5 steve_davis

Let’s stipulate that the packs are only of gold, no jewels. I don’t know exactly what a small horse could comfortably carry from day to day on the trip back—maybe 125 pounds of gold? What happens when he arrives home? Medieval and feudal societies tend to be very cash poor. There aren’t really any banks so wealth is hoarded in land. To add to this, bilbo arrives home with a mitheril chain mail shirt and a sword that would both make him by themselves one of the wealthiest people around. Boromir will say to Frodo without irony that the chain mail is worth more than the value of many small kingdoms. So again, what realistically could bilbo do with that wealth? To use it would be to spawn massive inflation. Who wants to give a ballpark estimate on what bilbo’s wealth would be in 2022 dollars?

A racehorse in a handicap race carries from 105 to 130 pounds (5 pounds is estimated to be worth 1/5 of a second per mile). For Western riding, the saddle and gear is about 50 pounds, and the cowboy close to 200. And that horse can go all day.

If speed is not of the essence, that horse could easily carry 300 pounds, maybe 400 if there’s a smooth road and they’re only traveling half-days.

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EPR-radar  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:24:35pm

re: #5 steve_davis

Bilbo was a lousy capitalist. He spent down his gold for years by using it to pay for incidental expenses, and didn’t do anything at all with the mythril shirt.

But Middle-Earth is pre-capitalist, so it fits.

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William Lewis  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:25:01pm

re: #23 sagehen

A racehorse in a handicap race carries from 105 to 130 pounds (5 pounds is estimated to be worth 1/5 of a second per mile). For Western riding, the saddle and gear is about 50 pounds, and the cowboy close to 200. And that horse can go all day.

If speed is not of the essence, that horse could easily carry 300 pounds, maybe 400 if there’s a smooth road and they’re only traveling half-days.

Found at equus magazine:
“U.S. Army specifications for pack mules state that ‘American mules can carry up to 20 percent of their body weight (150 to 300 pounds) for 15 to 20 miles per day in mountains,’” Wickler says. “There are some anecdotal reports of 350 to 400 pounds and even an 1867 reference to 600 to 800 pounds for mules.”
equusmagazine.com

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Citizen K  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:26:05pm

re: #21 No Malarkey!

I suspect our only hope of holding Congress in the midterms is a massive backlash when SCOTUS reverses Roe this summer and abortion becomes illegal in half the country.

I mean….my bracing fear is that happens, and that there is a backlash, but it ends up against the Dems because, once again, they’re ‘in charge’ when it happened. Forget that the justices were all Republican-appointed ones. Not to mention folks who will conscientiously ‘abstain’ because Dems ‘allowed this to happen’.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:27:15pm

ridiculosity

14 STRING GUITAR SOLO

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:27:19pm

re: #25 William Lewis

Found at equus magazine:
“U.S. Army specifications for pack mules state that ‘American mules can carry up to 20 percent of their body weight (150 to 300 pounds) for 15 to 20 miles per day in mountains,’” Wickler says. “There are some anecdotal reports of 350 to 400 pounds and even an 1867 reference to 600 to 800 pounds for mules.”
equusmagazine.com

A half-horse can do more than a whole horse!

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EPR-radar  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:27:28pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bullshit on Rittenhouse wanting that gun destroyed. He wants to sell it for the big bucks.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:28:20pm

re: #25 William Lewis

Found at equus magazine:
“U.S. Army specifications for pack mules state that ‘American mules can carry up to 20 percent of their body weight (150 to 300 pounds) for 15 to 20 miles per day in mountains,’” Wickler says. “There are some anecdotal reports of 350 to 400 pounds and even an 1867 reference to 600 to 800 pounds for mules.”
equusmagazine.com

Though Bilbo likely only had a small pony rather than a mule to carry his loot. Even if he only brought home 100 lbs in gold, that would be vastly more money than he could possible spend in the Shire.

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sagehen  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:29:24pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Among the Kikuyu of Kenya, it was believed that owls were harbingers of death. If one saw an owl or heard its hoot, someone was going to die. In general, owls are viewed as harbingers of bad luck, ill health, or death. The belief is widespread even today.

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steve_davis  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:29:54pm

re: #18 A Mom Anon

Death threats. He spoke about it after Trump’s call asking him to find votes. Kemp and his wife got them as well. Didn’t change their asshole politics, but I would guess this is a factor.

for some reason I originally read this as being a response to my shire wealth question. I was imagining Bilbo gettin death threats on his return: “Hello?” “Mistuh Baggins? I understand you came recently into some good fortune. It would be a good ting for you to share that around a bit. It would be a shame if someting were to happen to that lovely shire you got dere.” “Sauron? Is that you?” “Who? No, dis ain’t that Sauron guy, whoevah dat might be.” “Are you sure? Because you sound exactly like what I imagine Sauron would sound like if he was speaking to me on the phone while crinkling up some newspaper to try to disguise his voice.”

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William Lewis  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:29:55pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

A half-horse can do more than a whole horse!

Yep, that’s why people kept breeding them. Much better pack and draft animals than riding horses.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:30:06pm

re: #26 Citizen K

I mean….my bracing fear is that happens, and that there is a backlash, but it ends up against the Dems because, once again, they’re ‘in charge’ when it happened. Forget that the justices were all Republican-appointed ones. Not to mention folks who will conscientiously ‘abstain’ because Dems ‘allowed this to happen’.

If the Democrats are so inept at messaging that they can’t get their voters out after Roe is reversed, we don’t deserve democracy.

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:31:01pm

re: #33 William Lewis

Yep, that’s why people kept breeding them. Much better pack and draft animals than riding horses.

Kinda half ass though.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:32:45pm

re: #30 No Malarkey!

Though Bilbo likely only had a small pony rather than a mule to carry his loot. Even if he only brought home 100 lbs in gold, that would be vastly more money than he could possible spend in the Shire.

And why would it be money? Since it’s pre-capitalist is there any reason the dwarves were using the gold for coins as compared to decorative objects and jewelry?

Odds are the loot was baubles and small objects instead of coins.

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William Lewis  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:33:39pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

Kinda half ass though.

Good one, wish I’d thought of it < thumbs up >

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Citizen K  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:34:56pm

re: #34 No Malarkey!

If the Democrats are so inept at messaging that they can’t get their voters out after Roe is reversed, we don’t deserve democracy.

I’ve learned not to underestimate the power of a coalesced narrative, especially when we’ve seen just how impenetrable it and the media that spreads it can be when it comes to letting Dems actually speak for Dems.

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darthstar  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:35:44pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

boofuckinghoo

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He’ll want it destroyed until some collector offers him six figures for it.

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:35:47pm

re: #37 William Lewis

Good one, wish I’d thought of it < thumbs up >

Nobody beats me at half ass thinking.

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darthstar  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:37:21pm

Heard from the vet - Merle came through his surgery just fine. Always my biggest worry. Now the hard part begins. The next three weeks will be a threading the needle effort to keep him from doing damage to himself…Trazadone helps.

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The Squire of Logos  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:37:28pm

re: #39 darthstar

He’ll want it destroyed until some collector offers him six figures for it.

They should offer to destroy it for him. Then we’ll see how sincere (not) he really is.

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steve_davis  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:37:40pm

re: #36 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And why would it be money? Since it’s pre-capitalist is there any reason the dwarves were using the gold for coins as compared to decorative objects and jewelry?

Odds are the loot was baubles and small objects instead of coins.

I tend to think they would have an enormous amount of the gold in coin form, not so much even for day to day spending, but just because it would, to a dwarven mind, make a compact, readily identifiable, readily valued bit of currency. No need to have some guy with the green-shade visor and the magnifying glass come to make an appraisal. Just hand someone something and say, “It’s an unclipped King Theon, one imperial ounce of gold.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:39:25pm

re: #7 gocart mozart

Bobo is so dumb she probably thought they were Muslims.

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William Lewis  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:40:11pm

re: #43 steve_davis

I tend to think they would have an enormous amount of the gold in coin form, not so much even for day to day spending, but just because it would, to a dwarven mind, make a compact, readily identifiable, readily valued bit of currency. No need to have some guy with the green-shade visor and the magnifying glass come to make an appraisal. Just hand something something and say, “It’s an unclipped King Theon, one imperial ounce of gold.”

Your average merchant would still want a coin scale like this: etsy.com

Gold plated lead would feel right to most people but not be _quite_ the correct weight for example.

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austin_blue  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:40:38pm

re: #41 darthstar

Heard from the vet - Merle came through his surgery just fine. Always my biggest worry. Now the hard part begins. The next three weeks will be a threading the needle effort to keep him from doing damage to himself…Trazadone helps.

Okay, I missed this backstory. For what was Merle operated upon?

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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:40:50pm

re: #44 The Pie Overlord!

Bobo is so dumb she probably thought they were Muslims.

They would need precise coordinates for the Space Laser to make accurate strikes.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:41:46pm

re: #25 William Lewis

Image: w7.jpg

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:43:42pm

re: #43 steve_davis

I tend to think they would have an enormous amount of the gold in coin form, not so much even for day to day spending, but just because it would, to a dwarven mind, make a compact, readily identifiable, readily valued bit of currency. No need to have some guy with the green-shade visor and the magnifying glass come to make an appraisal. Just hand someone something and say, “It’s an unclipped King Theon, one imperial ounce of gold.”

Thinking about it further probably a fairly large amount of coin since IIRC Smaug had also looted Dale and along the Long Lake to assemble his horde. And presumably for trade with Dale and the humans along the lake you’d need coin since there are few indications of a merchant banking system and use of letters of credit. (And I think is part of a trade route running south along the river and probably north to the other dwarves enclaves in the Iron Hills.)

And by the time of The Hobbit the humans on the Long Lake are running trade with the elves in northern Mirkwood as well.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:49:01pm

re: #34 No Malarkey!

If the Democrats are so inept at messaging that they can’t get their voters out after Roe is reversed, we don’t deserve democracy.

Getting what we deserve as a country is what I’m afraid of. So many Americans are complete shitheads, and that’s the fault of our entire society.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:49:14pm

re: #49 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Thinking about it further probably a fairly large amount of coin since IIRC Smaug had also looted Dale and along the Long Lake to assemble his horde. And presumably for trade with Dale and the humans along the lake you’d need coin since there are few indications of a merchant banking system and use of letters of credit. (And I think is part of a trade route running south along the river and probably north to the other dwarves enclaves in the Iron Hills.)

And by the time of The Hobbit the humans on the Long Lake are running trade with the elves in northern Mirkwood as well.

I find this conversation disturbing. Please don’t combine Randian and Tolkien mythology.

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mmmirele  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:49:21pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is it time yet to start protesting the Justices’ homes? I normally would NEVER suggest this but it’s not legal to really protest around the Supreme Court. (I know people who have been arrested.) These asshats need to be confronted. Right now they’re in a bubble.

And again, I WOULD NOT suggest this if it were legal to protest on the Supreme Court’s steps or in the vicinity, but it’s not.

blog.harvardlawreview.org

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:49:41pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s Glimfeather. Something’s afoot.

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KGxvi  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:50:34pm

re: #34 No Malarkey!

If the Democrats are so inept at messaging that they can’t get their voters out after Roe is reversed, we don’t deserve democracy.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:

One party deserves to lose, and the other doesn’t deserve to win.

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KGxvi  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:55:05pm

re: #52 mmmirele

Is it time yet to start protesting the Justices’ homes? I normally would NEVER suggest this but it’s not legal to really protest around the Supreme Court. (I know people who have been arrested.) These asshats need to be confronted. Right mow they’re in a bubble.

And again, I WOULD NOT suggest this if it were legal to protest on the Supreme Court’s steps or in the vicinity, but it’s not.

blog.harvardlawreview.org

I don’t think protests like that would actually do anything. Federal judges, including the Justices, are insulated from political pressures. I doubt that it would change any of their minds. Most likely, it would end up with an incident between a protester and a US Marshall (who I think are still in charge of security for members of SCOTUS).

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ckkatz  Jan 20, 2022 • 3:55:35pm

re: #48 Romantic Heretic

True Story-

My father’s best friend trained in World War 2 US Army to be a mule handler. He was released before he could see combat though. Because it was determined that the US needed chicken farmers more than they needed mule handlers.

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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:00:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:00:37pm

re: #31 sagehen

en.wikipedia.org

Death of Democracy…

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:00:41pm

re: #56 ckkatz

True Story-

My father’s best friend trained in World War 2 US Army to be a mule handler. He was released before he could see combat though. Because it was determined that the US needed chicken farmers more than they needed mule handlers.

Mules ended up being used quite heavily in Italy. Rough terrain that mules could handle better than vehicles.

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gocart mozart  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:02:31pm
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ckkatz  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:04:56pm

re: #59 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Exactly. He was training as part of the 10th Mountain Division at Ft Carson, Colorado. And Italy was exactly where he would have ended up. Instead, he ended up in Belle Mead, New Jersey.

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KGxvi  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:06:31pm

So apparently the labor force lost real numbers of union workers, as in there were fewer union workers in 2021 than there were in 2020.

This got me thinking about what a union in a non-manufacturing economy should look like. I understand what it would look like for workers in a factory, or in construction, or in a warehouse setting, as well in some service industry jobs (hotels, restaurants, etc). But for the average American worker who works in an office doing sales or marketing or customer service - what exactly does union representation look like? What are the advantages?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:08:16pm

re: #60 gocart mozart

I’ll be driving past that area tomorrow. Headed back to Philly after spending three days in Pittsburgh.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:08:26pm

re: #62 KGxvi

Probably due to older workers retiring or dying of Covid.

There are a number of unions who include service jobs in their ranks (CWA for example) Those will be the ones that will hopefully grow.

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:11:58pm

re: #62 KGxvi

So apparently the labor force lost real numbers of union workers, as in there were fewer union workers in 2021 than there were in 2020.

This got me thinking about what a union in a non-manufacturing economy should look like. I understand what it would look like for workers in a factory, or in construction, or in a warehouse setting, as well in some service industry jobs (hotels, restaurants, etc). But for the average American worker who works in an office doing sales or marketing or customer service - what exactly does union representation look like? What are the advantages?

Negotiating the terms of employment as a single, much-needed (powerful) unit instead of asking for a raise as an individual. Same everywhere, right?

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ckkatz  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:12:28pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

‘Owl be seeing you,
in all the old familiar places

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:13:04pm
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Belafon  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:14:40pm

re: #34 No Malarkey!

If the Democrats are so inept at messaging that they can’t get their voters out after Roe is reversed, we don’t deserve democracy.

Biden did a two hour press conference, and the response has been that it was long. The Democrats in the government can only do so much. I think some of it is going to be on us.

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:16:09pm

re: #66 ckkatz

‘Owl be seeing you,
in all the old familiar places

The level of my dyslexia has gotten really owl.

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sagehen  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:16:14pm

re: #62 KGxvi

So apparently the labor force lost real numbers of union workers, as in there were fewer union workers in 2021 than there were in 2020.

This got me thinking about what a union in a non-manufacturing economy should look like. I understand what it would look like for workers in a factory, or in construction, or in a warehouse setting, as well in some service industry jobs (hotels, restaurants, etc). But for the average American worker who works in an office doing sales or marketing or customer service - what exactly does union representation look like? What are the advantages?

Ask a cop. They know all about the advantages of union representation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:16:15pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:18:56pm

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gocart mozart  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:19:48pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:19:56pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

This tweet is inaccurate. When McConnell says “the American people” what he means is “GOP donors”.

McConnell is a hireling of the plutocracy, and is merely performing his only job.

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:23:11pm

I have to look up the meanings of the colors when I start. It’s the ‘colorblind’ option. I’m not colorblind, I’m just obstinate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:24:31pm

re: #74 EPR-radar

This tweet is inaccurate. When McConnell says “the American people” what he means is “GOP donors”.

McConnell is a hireling of the plutocracy, and is merely performing his only job.

he also means corporations…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:25:07pm

re: #68 Belafon

Biden did a two hour press conference, and the response has been that it was long. The Democrats in the government can only do so much. I think some of it is going to be on us.

At this point it’s all on us.

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mmmirele  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:25:09pm

re: #62 KGxvi

So apparently the labor force lost real numbers of union workers, as in there were fewer union workers in 2021 than there were in 2020.

This got me thinking about what a union in a non-manufacturing economy should look like. I understand what it would look like for workers in a factory, or in construction, or in a warehouse setting, as well in some service industry jobs (hotels, restaurants, etc). But for the average American worker who works in an office doing sales or marketing or customer service - what exactly does union representation look like? What are the advantages?

Well, thinking not so much about *my* job, but for the people who are front line in the call centers, or even our people who take the lower level incidents in my department—a union would provide for wage “steps” based on seniority and experience.

A couple of examples:

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In my opinion, there are lots and lots of positions, even within a huge financial institution, that would be appropriate for unionization. Not everyone is making the big money hatching deals or making trades.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:25:21pm
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:27:19pm

She has a good life and had a bright future, but now this is what’s going to come up when potential employers Google her.

Student loses Rhodes scholarship over allegations of lying about her foster care upbringing (USA Today)

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:27:33pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:28:19pm

re: #24 EPR-radar

Bilbo was a lousy capitalist. He spent down his gold for years by using it to pay for incidental expenses, and didn’t do anything at all with the mythril shirt.

But Middle-Earth is pre-capitalist, so it fits.

He blew it all on Halflings’ Leaf

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:31:01pm

PLAIIOSSS

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Dave In Austin  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:32:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:33:16pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:35:48pm

re: #41 darthstar

Heard from the vet - Merle came through his surgery just fine. Always my biggest worry. Now the hard part begins. The next three weeks will be a threading the needle effort to keep him from doing damage to himself…Trazadone helps.

For you or him?

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mmmirele  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:35:48pm

In case people haven’t figured it out, the pious performance known as the “March For Life” is occurring starting tomorrow. I mention this, because I received a solicitation today for a magazine and I was like, OK, let me see what you have on your website. I’m not subscribing, and it’s related to the “March for Life.” I’m putting the email I sent as a response behind the button.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:36:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:37:37pm
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:38:00pm

re: #83 The Pie Overlord!

PLAIIOSSS

Found a bug in the LGF Tweet display code. It’s not handling line feeds on preview. It does display in the thread.

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EPR-radar  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:38:58pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

What Republicans are actually for:

1) Tax cuts only for the rich

2) Mindless corporate deregulation

3) Seizing power (legally or illegally) to get items 1 and 2 done.

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gocart mozart  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:45:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:45:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:45:45pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:47:47pm

re: #92 gocart mozart

I’m sure Tom Hanks was perfectly fine with MTG’s disgust.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:48:41pm

re: #92 gocart mozart

You don’t need sound for the video, all the lyrics are displayed around her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:49:24pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

lolol

marsha, marsha, marsha…

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Dangerman  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:49:41pm

re: #83 The Pie Overlord!

PLAIIOSSS

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Name one
And recounting don’t count

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:52:20pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

lolol

marsha, marsha, marsha…

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darthstar  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:54:12pm

re: #46 austin_blue

Okay, I missed this backstory. For what was Merle operated upon?

He had his second knee done. TPLO procedure - metal plate in the knee to fix torn ACL.

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Dangerman  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:54:26pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

lolol

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marsha, marsha, marsha…

Stupid is stupid regardless of gender

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darthstar  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:57:05pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anything he says on Hannity can and will be used against him in a court of law.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:57:54pm

re: #100 darthstar

I hope he heals up quickly and with little pain. Our doggos are family, as much as humans(sometimes more). Give him a soft and gentle snoot boop from me, and Cleo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:58:34pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 4:59:42pm

Yeah, don’t reveal the secret or before you know it they’ll become comics and show runners and directors and producers of America’s best TV and movies.

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darthstar  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:01:28pm

re: #103 A Mom Anon

I hope he heals up quickly and with little pain. Our doggos are family, as much as humans(sometimes more). Give him a soft and gentle snoot boop from me, and Cleo.

Thank you. He comes home tomorrow. I’ve got a bit of prep work to do before then. Going to give Milo 5 days or so of sleepover at the doggie spa (he’ll get beach walks from them while I’ll be tied to Merle) so he doesn’t drive Merle crazy. I’ll probably have him do day care every day for a few weeks after that to give Merle time to heal. Took about 8-10 weeks before he could go to the back yard off leash last time. 12 weeks before I could take him into the water. But it’s only time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:02:13pm
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:04:50pm

re: #105 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, don’t reveal the secret or before you know it they’ll become comics and show runners and directors and producers of America’s best TV and movies.

I actually believe Boebert. She’s extremely self-absorbed, and people had just got word that she gave terrorists a tour before the attack, which the media was rightly calling “reconnaissance.”

The Jewish people she offended were just extras in her drama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:07:30pm

earlier today

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:15:05pm

he won’t be voting, meeting in person, or making public appearance until next week.
well, give him a fucking cookie since he’s already infected people, just like last time when he claims he was infected and thought it was just strep throat (but didn’t find out it was Covid until he got tested for antibodies months later).

ETA: this time he says he thought it was just allergies, so treated himself as if it were that.

Meanwhile, his home county (population ~13,000) as of yesterday:

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:17:31pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

he won’t be voting, meeting in person, or making public appearance until next week.
well, give him a fucking cookie since he’s already infected people, just like last time when he claims he was infected and thought it was just strep throat (but didn’t find out it was Covid until he got tested for antibodies months later).

Meanwhile, his home county (population ~13,000) as of yesterday:

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So much for “post-infection immunity is better than vaccinated immunity”, am I right?

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:17:39pm

re: #108 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I actually believe Boebert. She’s extremely self-absorbed, and people had just got word that she gave terrorists a tour before the attack, which the media was rightly calling “reconnaissance.”

The Jewish people she offended were just extras in her drama.

I think you’re right, as hard as that is to say when it comes to Boebert.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:18:38pm

re: #106 darthstar

I love your pics of them at the beach. Cleo is just not well behaved enough for me to take her off leash anywhere. On leash just means I get hurt. I love her, but she’s never been really socialized with other dogs, and now that she’s almost 3 it’s hard to undo that. I know it’s possible, but how we find volunteers to bring dogs around her knowing she could fuck a pup up (she’s 94 lbs now) is not something that is really possible. Cleo loves to swim, I just wish I could take her to the beach or a lake. I hope Merle gets healed up soon and can romp and stomp asap.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:22:25pm

re: #111 Dopamine Fish

Nail on the head. That is why I have 3 of kind (Pfizer) and I have a picture of my vaccine card on my iPhone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:24:38pm
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Romantic Heretic  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:25:06pm

re: #56 ckkatz

Cool story. Thanks.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:25:43pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

lolol

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marsha, marsha, marsha…

I’ll bet she applauded when Trump said the same thing to Yamiche Alcindor before she even asked a question.

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:41:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:45:37pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

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he has seen things…

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:57:09pm

re: #81 Barefoot Grin

Was there no way to figure out who she was before Democrats put her up to run for the Senate? I’d heard that she was a Conservative Democrat when she was in the House. We need to get our politicians more harshly. I’m not voting for a Conservative Dem when a Progressive is available.

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stpaulbear  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:57:18pm

Are embedded tweets not working for everyone or is it just me? I’m having the same problem at Balloon Juice.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 5:59:14pm

re: #120 Patricia Kayden

Was there no way to figure out who she was before Democrats put her up to run for the Senate? I’d heard that she was a Conservative Democrat when she was in the House. We need to get our politicians more harshly. I’m not voting for a Conservative Dem when a Progressive is available.

TBH, I only know anecdotally. The usual storyline is that she started out as a Green candidate, then became a supposedly leftist Democrat, and then as a Senator what we have before us.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:00:35pm

Refactoring is a harsh mistress.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:02:00pm

Twitter seems to be having some issues with embedded tweets tonight.

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stpaulbear  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:02:40pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Thanks, Charles.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:03:04pm

Somebody’s fucking around with the code again.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:03:49pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

I had to reload the tweet in #118. Worked the second time I did that.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:05:18pm
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Dangerman  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:06:19pm

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:06:55pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:11:03pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Twitter seems to be having some issues with embedded tweets tonight.

“I was such an ugly kid tweets wouldn’t even embed with me…. I tell ya, I get no respect.”

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:13:54pm

re: #120 Patricia Kayden

Was there no way to figure out who she was before Democrats put her up to run for the Senate? I’d heard that she was a Conservative Democrat when she was in the House. We need to get our politicians more harshly. I’m not voting for a Conservative Dem when a Progressive is available.

I believe she was the Green Party candidate before.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:14:39pm

re: #132 Belafon

So, a saboteur at heart.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:14:40pm

re: #132 Belafon

I believe she was the Green Party candidate before.

Which is becoming something of an obvious pattern.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:15:41pm

This is so cringe. Juice, you will not get Evangelicals to like you. Don’t do this.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:19:39pm
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A Mom Anon  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:35:37pm

re: #135 The Pie Overlord!

I grew up in an evangelical household, the Jewish people are just a fashion accessory to their End Times rabies fantasy. Nothing more. They cannot be swayed from this shit either, unless they have some big epiphany about how evil it all is. And the even worse part is that people are disposable to them, often including their own kids and other family members. If they can do that to people they are close to, it’s not even remotely difficult to do it to some abstract, fucked up stereotype they created. I’m so glad I got away from that crap, even if my life was very hard as a result.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:44:43pm

re: #135 The Pie Overlord!

Like Blacks for Trump.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:45:31pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Have you seen this ridiculosity?

The Hydra: presented by Steve Vai and Ibanez

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No Malarkey!  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:46:29pm

SCOTUS is going to legalize bribery at Ted Cruz’s behest. vox.com

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:47:52pm

re: #139 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

en.wikipedia.org

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:48:58pm

PERSON WOMAN MAN CAMERA TV
It’s a fucking meme now.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:55:48pm
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A Cranky One  Jan 20, 2022 • 6:57:09pm

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darthstar  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:01:16pm

re: #113 A Mom Anon

I love your pics of them at the beach. Cleo is just not well behaved enough for me to take her off leash anywhere. On leash just means I get hurt. I love her, but she’s never been really socialized with other dogs, and now that she’s almost 3 it’s hard to undo that. I know it’s possible, but how we find volunteers to bring dogs around her knowing she could fuck a pup up (she’s 94 lbs now) is not something that is really possible. Cleo loves to swim, I just wish I could take her to the beach or a lake. I hope Merle gets healed up soon and can romp and stomp asap.

It’s not too late. You just need to know you’ll have a few skirmishes and you just need to let them happen.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:02:30pm

re: #144 A Cranky One

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Hansel.

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Jay C  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:04:52pm

re: #143 jaunte

So do we know how much of Trump’s BFD “Wall” was actually built/augmented in four years of the Trump Administration? ISTR that most of the major bits that TFG loved to strut around and pose in front of were just upgrades to already-existing segments of border barrier, and that the length of actual “new” Wall that was built was some ludicrously low number like (? 60 miles? 75 maybe?)

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A Cranky One  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:09:39pm

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:10:44pm

re: #147 Jay C

This BBC article from 2020 shows a mix:
bbc.com

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:12:00pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:28:16pm

via RawStory

kook

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Jay C  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:33:00pm

re: #24 EPR-radar

Bilbo was a lousy capitalist. He spent down his gold for years by using it to pay for incidental expenses, and didn’t do anything at all with the mythril shirt.

But Middle-Earth is pre-capitalist, so it fits.

I agree. Late to the discussion (as usual), but it has to be recalled that Bilbo was already fairly affluent by Hobbit standards, being part of the Shire “gentry”, whose assets and income were likely founded (ultimately) in land ownership/rental. Since Bilbo (unlike many in the British squirearchy with-whom Tolkien would have been familiar) didn’t squander his money on extravagances, he probably did just use the swag he brought back from Erebor to pay for the day-to-day, (and the occasional case of Old Winyards), which likely made his tenants happy…

As for his mithril shirt, it’s unlikely Bilbo or any other Hobbit had even the least idea what the thing was made of, still less its value. It probably spent decades gathering dust at he back of the Mathom-House museum. Maybe a Dwarf might figure out what it was (and worth), but those folks didn’t spend a lot of time in The Shire on tourism.

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Dopamine Fish  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:35:56pm

re: #152 Jay C

As for his mithril shirt, it’s unlikely Bilbo or any other Hobbit had even the least idea what the thing was made of, still less its value. It probably spent decades gathering dust at he back of the Mathom-House museum. Maybe a Dwarf might figure out what it was (and worth), but those folks didn’t spend a lot of time in The Shire on tourism.

This is pretty explicit in the Lord of the Rings proper; in the book, Bilbo basically gives Frodo the mithril shirt as, “Hey, look, isn’t this pretty? I’ll feel better if you are wearing it while you’re out there.” It isn’t until Frodo takes a spearing from the cave troll and survives, and Gimli is like, “Dafuq are hobbits made out of?!” and when Frodo takes off his shirt, his jaw hits the floor.

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retired cynic  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:44:07pm

Ein Keshatot (Spring of the Arches)
Golan
This sixth-century synagogue was first reconstructed digitally, then in real life.
atlasobscura.com

Fascinating project. If you check it out, make sure you look at the picture of the view from the site. Zowee!

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:47:30pm

re: #147 Jay C

Here’s a more recent update:

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:49:10pm

The U.S./Mexico border is 1,954 miles long.

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Jay C  Jan 20, 2022 • 7:53:41pm

re: #155 jaunte

Thanks, those figure were what I seem to remember - of the 1,970 miles of the US-Mexico. border, the “Build The Wall” President managed to fortify only 80 miles of it where there hadn’t been any before?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:00:35pm

re: #68 Belafon

Biden did a two hour press conference, and the response has been that it was long. The Democrats in the government can only do so much. I think some of it is going to be on us.

The real problem is that the left has no media organizations comparable to the RW noise machine. The less GOP leaning networks do not promote the same dishonest story day and day out, except when it involves Democrats (see: Hillary’s emails).

My sister’s best friend has lived in Madrid for almost 50 years. Her husband, a retired Spanish physicist, told her that Fauci was supporting the vaccines because he had a substantial investment in Pfizer. My sister was able to track down information that refuted that lie and texted her friend; she also mentioned how much disinformation is floating in the United States, and how even when a post has proved erroneous and is taken down, the lie continues to spread through others who read the original story and passed it on. Her friend pointed out that this problem is not confined to the United States but is clearly world wide. Her husband, even though a brilliant man, did not think to investigate on his own because like most people he doesn’t have the time to challenge every piece of information passed on to him.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:01:41pm

re: #152 Jay C

I agree. Late to the discussion (as usual), but it has to be recalled that Bilbo was already fairly affluent by Hobbit standards, being part of the Shire “gentry”, whose assets and income were likely founded (ultimately) in land ownership/rental. Since Bilbo (unlike many in the British squirearchy who Tolkien would have been familiar with) didn’t squander his money on extravagances, he probably did just use the swag he brought back from Erebor to pay for the day-to-day, (and the occasional case of Old Winyards), which likely made his tenants happy…

Also late, but I don’t think Bilbo’s financial position in the Shire will stand scrutiny. Tolkien has given us a typical example of 19th century landed gentry and yes, some of them derived their income from rents and tenant farmers, but a lot of it came from British overseas possessions and even manufacturing — which also happened outside their lands. There’s no equivalent in Bilbo’s world (other population centers are too far away, and anyway if they had contact, hobbits wouldn’t be so insular and proudly ignorant of anything outside their borders) and the economy won’t stand as described without it.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:02:05pm

re: #157 Jay C

Thanks, those figure were what I seem to remember - of the 1,970 miles of the US-Mexico. border, the “Build The Wall” President managed to fortify only 80 miles of it where there hadn’t been any before?

80 big, beautiful miles. Possibly the biggest miles on the border.

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A Cranky One  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:02:22pm

re: #157 Jay C

Yup. And a lot of the new sections are already in disrepair due to shoddy construction and failure to properly engineer.

But it would have been done in three more weeks. Sure.

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Dangerman  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:05:20pm
Officials on Donald Trump’s 2020 campaign, led by his lawyer Rudy Giuliani, oversaw efforts to put forward illegitimate electors from seven states that the former president lost, CNN reports.

Shits getting real

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Dangerman  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:05:50pm

But still…

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:06:09pm

re: #158 Hecuba’s daughter

The real problem is that the repugs and are happy to make things up and we prefer to go with facts. Which takes time, and fact checking also takes time. How to get the great mass of people to be skeptical is a problem I don’t have a solution for.

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Dangerman  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:07:50pm

re: #161 A Cranky One

Yup. And a lot of the new sections are already in disrepair due to shoddy construction and failure to properly engineer.

But it would have been done in three more weeks. Sure.

They blew over

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:08:05pm

re: #163 Dangerman

But still…

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Is this in the purview of state or federal law? If it’s state, there’s an easy answer to the delay.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:08:45pm

re: #166 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Is this in the purview of state or federal law? If it’s state, there’s an easy answer to the delay.

Good question.

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ckkatz  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:12:09pm
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ckkatz  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:14:16pm

re: #166 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Is this in the purview of state or federal law? If it’s state, there’s an easy answer to the delay.

Representative Schiff, on the Lawrence O’Donnell show this evening regarding the Fulton County DA requesting the court system set up a Special Grand Jury, said that he was surprised that he has still heard nothing about the DOJ setting up a Grand Jury in this subject.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:15:37pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:16:28pm

re: #158 Hecuba’s daughter

[…]

Her husband, even though a brilliant man, did not think to investigate on his own because like most people he doesn’t have the time to challenge every piece of information passed on to him.

Knowing the source, and withholding judgement on info from an unknown source, is a time saving strategy.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:17:52pm

re: #120 Patricia Kayden

Was there no way to figure out who she was before Democrats put her up to run for the Senate? I’d heard that she was a Conservative Democrat when she was in the House. We need to get our politicians more harshly. I’m not voting for a Conservative Dem when a Progressive is available.

It needs to be for whoever can win against the Republican. After all, Bernie and Elizabeth were the progressive Democrats (and she was my preferred candidate) — but guaranteed neither would have likely been able to defeat Trump.

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ckkatz  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:19:04pm

I don’t remember if this has been posted on lgf or not:

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mmmirele  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:19:15pm

re: #157 Jay C

Thanks, those figure were what I seem to remember - of the 1,970 miles of the US-Mexico. border, the “Build The Wall” President managed to fortify only 80 miles of it where there hadn’t been any before?

Yeah, and it’s not been without protest. Amber Ortega, a Tohono O’Odham woman, protested at Quitobaquito Springs to physically object to building the wall near this site that is sacred to the Tohono O’Odham. Originally, the government won its case that they were not infringing on Ortega’s religious rights, but yesterday, that judge reversed his original ruling that favored the government and Ortega was declared Not Guilty.

Amber Ortega, a Southern Arizona border activist facing two federal charges for protesting the construction of the border wall near Quitobaquito Springs, was found not guilty by a federal judge on Wednesday.

Following a short motions hearing, U.S. Magistrate Judge Leslie A. Bowman ruled that the federal government had imposed a “substantial burden” on Ortega’s exercise of her religious faith by closing access to the border road that runs just south of Quitobaquito Springs — an area that remains central to the spiritual practices of the Hia C-ed O’odham.

The on-the-spot change in the verdict felt like “a dream,” Ortega said.

Ortega and her friend and mentor Nellie Jo David were arrested on Sept. 9, 2020, by National Park Service officers just beyond Quitobaquito — about 120 miles southwest of Tucson — and charged with two misdemeanors, including interfering with an agency function and violating a closure order, after they attempted to block construction on the border wall by physically putting themselves in the way. Video from the incident shows Ortega yelling at federal officers and contractors to “cease and desist” from continuing with the massive construction project in the fragile desert area.

David accepted a plea deal in June, agreeing to probation and a $200 fine. However, Ortega has pushed forward with her case, arguing that her protest that blocked construction vehicles on West Border Road was guided by sincerely held religious and cultural beliefs, and that her actions should be protected under federal law.

On Nov. 4, Ortega faced a bench trial, and she argued that she acted “without hesitation” to block border wall construction near the spring because she believed she needed to protect the land from being “desecrated.” She told the court that the natural spring, and the land surrounding it, remain an important part of the spiritual life of the Hia C-ed O’odham. The land “holds our history,” Ortega said, and until border wall construction began in 2019, the land remained “unharmed” since “time immemorial.”

Quitobaquito has been a part of the religious and cultural history of the region, and is an important site for the Hia C-ed O’odham, who lived in the area well into the 1950s, and members still use the springs as site for food gathering and sacred ceremonies. As Gary Nabhan, a University of Arizona research scientist, noted, perhaps the first Palm Sunday mass in Arizona was conducted at Quitobaquito by the celebrated Jesuit Padre Eusebio Francisco Kino in 1698 or 1699.

Bowman’s decision was a reversal of her earlier decision, made on Nov. 18, when she ruled that she would not consider the testimony of a Tohono O’odham elder presented as part of Ortega’s defense during a trial several days earlier, and further, that Ortega was “unable to prove at trial” that the government imposed a substantial burden on her exercise of her religion by blocking access to a nearby corridor of land sealed off for the construction of Trump’s border wall.

Ortega’s defense hinged on Religious Freedom Restoration Act, a law passed by Congress in 1993 which states that the federal government may not “substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion.”

Lots, lots more at the link: tucsonsentinel.com

Ortega had an elder of her O’Odham clan testify as well before the court as to the sacredness of the spring to her people. It rather makes me smile to think that the people who wanted the Religious Freedom Restoration Act so they could impose their religious beliefs on the rest of us are yet again finding out that, why yes, RFRA applies to everyone, including indigenous peoples.

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ckkatz  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:28:09pm

David Frum points out that the Russian elite has a lot of money and family stashed outside of Russia.

Now he is just being mean:

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 20, 2022 • 8:53:33pm

re: #175 ckkatz

Sounds good. During the Balkans crisis, we rolled up lots of Serbian war criminals that way. They considered themselves so, so, cultured. Too bad for them.


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