“All the Things You Are” Like You’ve Never Heard It Before (Tigran Hamasyan, Feat. Mark Turner)

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How to deconstruct a melody and its changes and put it back together to make something different.

Tigran Hamasyan performs Jerome Kern & Oscar Hammerstein II’s “All the Things You Are, featuring Mark Turner on tenor saxophone, from the album ‘StandArt,’ due April 29 on Nonesuch Records. Pre-order: https://tigranhamasyan.lnk.to/StandArt

Tigran Hamasyan, piano
Mark Turner, tenor saxophone

Produced by Tigran Hamasyan

Photograph of Tigran Hamasyan by Davide Monteleone
Photograph of Mark Turner by Avo Tavitian
Animated by Robert Edridge-Waks

#tigranhamasyan #standart #markturner

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321 comments
1
Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2022 • 6:34:30pm

How to deconstruct a melody and its changes and put it back together to make something different.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2022 • 6:35:00pm
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EstebanTornado1963  Apr 12, 2022 • 6:36:48pm
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Belafon  Apr 12, 2022 • 6:37:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Apr 12, 2022 • 6:38:08pm

re: #118 retired cynic

Alabama Gov Signs Multiple Anti-Trans Bills Into Law
by SK Ashby
bobcesca.com

We’re read a lot of opinion pieces on these awful bills. But this one was just so written from the heart that it seemed special to me.

Bans gender-affirming care under age nineteen. So taking the rights of adults as well.

Of course, this shouldn’t stand in court on that alone, but Fiscal Conservatives (tm) have any amount of tax money to defend their culture warrior laws.

Ivey also signed another bill that will bar transgender students from using sex-segregated school facilities that align with their gender identities and will prohibit classroom discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in grades K-5 — adopting language used in a bill recently signed by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis that critics have dubbed the “Don’t Say Gay” bill.

Okay. No pronouns other than they/them or we/us, good-bye gender-specific names for students such as Jane or Frank (I suggest assigning numbers to students and calling them by those). No more pictures of your opposite-sex spouse.

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dat_said  Apr 12, 2022 • 6:40:25pm

re: #114 Dread Pirate Ron

Most major roads in ND are closed due to snow. Next week they’ll be closed due to the start of construction season.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Apr 12, 2022 • 6:42:20pm

lol

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Apr 12, 2022 • 6:43:53pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 12, 2022 • 6:46:32pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 12, 2022 • 6:51:44pm

re: #7 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

lol

Replying to @tedcruz
also the Left: smallestdick.com redirects to you.

That’s totally unwarranted. Ted Cruz is a huge dick.

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A Three Hour Tour  Apr 12, 2022 • 6:51:48pm

re: #4 Belafon

Bernie must be getting antsy after spending the last year or so behaving himself and not actively sabotaging the Democrats. (Why would he have to expend effort when Manchin and Sinema were there to do so for their own purposes?)

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William Lewis  Apr 12, 2022 • 7:11:27pm

re: #9 The Pie Overlord!

That is one happy cat :)

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 12, 2022 • 7:16:37pm

re: #12 William Lewis

That is one happy cat :)

The catnip kicked in.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2022 • 7:23:24pm

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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 12, 2022 • 7:25:53pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2022 • 7:27:22pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2022 • 7:31:25pm

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2022 • 7:32:05pm

re: #14 Patricia Kayden

It’ll be in the roux.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2022 • 7:38:16pm
Jammers from Russian forces besieging the country are targeting global positioning system (GPS) satellites that are used for navigation, mapping and other purposes, the report said, quoting the U.S. Space Force.

“Ukraine may not be able to use GPS because there are jammers around that prevent them from receiving any usable signal,” Gen. David Thompson, the Space Force’s vice chief of space operations, told NBC Nightly News Monday (April 11).

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Specifically, Russia is targeting the Navstar system of satellites used by the United States and made available openly to many countries around the world, Thompson said. (Russia has its own independent system, called GLONASS, while the Europeans have one called Galileo and China has one called Beidou.)

Ukraine is also suffering from a lack of Internet connectivity as a result of the Russian attacks, which began Feb. 24 and are ongoing. SpaceX, at Ukraine’s request, has shipped thousands of Starlink terminals to the country to provide an independent set of infrastructure.

In early March, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk noted that Starlink signals have also been jammed, although his company is adapting. “Some Starlink terminals near conflict areas were being jammed for several hours at a time,” Musk wrote via Twitter on March 1. “Our latest software update bypasses the jamming.”

space.com

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Decatur Deb  Apr 12, 2022 • 7:42:43pm

re: #19 Belafon

What’s the HARM?

en.wikipedia.org

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Dave In Austin  Apr 12, 2022 • 7:51:27pm
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BeachDem  Apr 12, 2022 • 7:52:51pm

re: #4 Belafon

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Nina is a real something, but “leader” is not the term I was thinking of. Ugh. I wish she would just shut up and go away.

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2022 • 7:58:54pm
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retired cynic  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:01:44pm

re: #23 jaunte

gallons

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William Lewis  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:04:06pm

re: #20 Decatur Deb

What’s the HARM?

en.wikipedia.org

heheheheh…

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:18:01pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

How to deconstruct a melody and its changes and put it back together to make something different.

You gave me an ear-worm and a half, Charles.

I’ll take a melody and see what I can do about it.
I’ll take a simple C and G and feel brand now about it.

Such a beautiful tune…

Youtube Video

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:20:56pm

re: #22 BeachDem

I recall her referring to Hilary Clinton as a sh*t sandwich or something similarly ridiculous. Hope she loses.

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retired cynic  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:23:08pm

re: #27 Patricia Kayden

You know, sometimes, you CAN judge a book by its cover. Nina is one of those. IMO.

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mmmirele  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:28:05pm

In case you all weren’t aware, the National Archives has made the 1950 census available. It uses machine learning to try and parse out the names on the census sheets. Let’s just say it’s a valiant effort.

1950census.archives.gov

Luckily my mother has an unusual maiden name which made it super easy to track her down. My father’s last name pulled up all sorts of detritus, like “not at home.” So I went with his stepfather’s last name (also unusual) and voila! That said, what it confirmed was that my mother lived in Richmond, California and my father lived somewhere in Okfuskee county, Oklahoma. Which I already knew.

I’m sure all the pay services like Ancestry are all over this stuff, trying to get it in better shape. But it’s nice the government made it available for free.

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A Cranky One  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:36:46pm

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:38:32pm

Number of fucks President Biden has for Putin’s feelings (or any of his Republican allies’): 0

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:40:53pm

re: #30 A Cranky One

That reminds me of this tasteless joke I used to tell when I was young and somewhat careless with being offensive:

Click to Reveal

What’s the difference between a Cadillac and a dead hooker?

I don’t have a Cadillac in my garage.


I told you it was tasteless…you chose to open the fucking box.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:40:56pm

Here’s the big reason Zelenskyy called out Germany and blocked the visit by Scholz:

Another major problem is that Germany keeps blocking weapons purchases. The Ukrainians keep making orders with German weapons manufacturers and suppliers and the Scholz government just keeps telling the companies they’re not allowed to fill them.

balloon-juice.com

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:42:24pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:47:17pm
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Belafon  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:48:37pm

I blame Republicans and their counterparts in Europe for this:

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BeachDem  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:48:54pm

re: #27 Patricia Kayden

I recall her referring to Hilary Clinton as a sh*t sandwich or something similarly ridiculous. Hope she loses.

You and me both. She stabbed Hillary in the back big time, and she has never won a competitive race. She’s awful. I’ve met her several times and am worse for the experience. At our state convention a few years ago, she was a speaker at three different events and I walked out on each and every one of them. Ugh.

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:55:42pm

Three hundred more, please.

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:59:18pm

All our times have come,
Here but now they’re gone…

Romeo and Juliet,
Are together in eternity
40,000 men and women every day…

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ckkatz  Apr 12, 2022 • 8:59:33pm

For those into enumeration. I can’t speak as to how accurate the numbers are:

The United States has supplied Ukraine with thousands of Javelins, the anti-tank missiles that have become the iconic weapon of the war, but the U.S. inventory is dwindling. The United States has probably given about one-third of its stock to Ukraine. Thus, the United States is approaching the point where it must reduce transfers to maintain sufficient stockpiles for its own war plans. Production of new missiles is slow, and it will take years to replenish stocks.

The Russians have numerous armored vehicles, but their supply of trained crews and level of morale are declining. Will Ukrainian anti-tank weapons inflict enough Russian combat losses to produce a battlefield stalemate before Ukraine runs out of its most effective anti-tank weapons?

Will the United States Run Out of Javelins Before Russia Runs Out of Tanks?
csis.org

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:02:12pm

re: #36 Belafon

I blame Republicans and their counterparts in Europe for this:

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The donate link, btw, is in Swiss currency, which, according to Google, is running about 1Swiss Franc to $1.07.

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ckkatz  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:02:49pm

re: #4 Belafon

*Ugh*

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ckkatz  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:10:07pm

From various tweets (I can’t say how accurate they are.) There are two Ukrainian regular units defending Mariupol, the 36th Marine Brigade and the Azov Battalion.

It sounded like the Marine’s positions were pretty much overrun in the past couple of days. And that they had run out of ammunition and food. But some reports are that major parts of the Marines were able to make it into the Azov Battalion pocket.

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retired cynic  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:12:19pm

Those men looks so tired…

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:13:12pm

Watching the game right now and I didn’t even register that our first base coach is Alyssa Nakken…another glass ceiling shattered.

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:14:55pm

re: #43 ckkatz

From various tweets (I can’t say how accurate they are.) There are two Ukrainian regular units defending Mariupol, the 36th Marine Brigade and the Azov Battalion.

It sounded like the Marine’s positions were pretty much overrun in the past couple of days. And that they had run out of ammunition and food. But some reports are that major parts of the Marines were able to make it into the Azov Battalion pocket.

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The 36th made it to join with the Azov today…they even got their wounded through. I’d love to see a miracle dump of support into their laps, or a shit ton of air support show up for one day to strafe the living fuck out of the Russians pounding them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:16:04pm

Response to a post from downstairs…

re: #91 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid (The Atlantic, April 11, 2022)

TL;DR, Jonathon Haidt blames Facebook adding a “like” button and Twitter adding its “retweet” function, along with Google Translate in 2011 “recreating the Tower of Babel.”

I finally had time to read the article and think that the author has exaggerated the influence of social media on fracturing our nation. Social media certainly has played a role in the adding to the damage being done, but it’s not the main cause — the main cause is the traditional founding sin of our nation that haunts us and keeps making a resurgence.

In response to the civil rights movement (and the war), the 1960’s were a violent time — assassinations of public figures, riots, murders of those promoting civil rights — all well before social media. After the Brown vs Board of Education decision, the 1964 CRA, the 1965 VRA, and the 1968 Loving decision, it was the Republican decision to do a 180 and become the ideological heir to Jefferson Davis that has led to the poison of today.

We also forget how toxic the 1990’s were in reaction to the Clinton presidency — again well before social media existed. It was traditional outlets such as the WSJ that spread the same kind of fabrications that we see now in QAnon. Talk radio and the proliferation of news networks over cable facilitated the propagation of hyper-partisan news networks such as Fox and its more aggressive sidekicks Newsmax and OAN.

The Republican Party’s outrageous reaction to the election of our first African-American President was designed to promote this division we are suffering from today. It is Fox leading the charge to poison minds, not twitter.

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:16:53pm

re: #44 retired cynic

Those men looks so tired…

Oh they’ve got to be fuckin’ exhausted. If they survive this they will be national heroes. Books will be written about them. Movies filmed about them. Tom Cruise will eat borscht on camera.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:18:21pm

We need more of this. Sid Miller is one of the Trumpiest yokels in the Lone Star State. He wanted to nuke the Middle East and suggests slapping people who say “happy holidays” instead of “merry Christmas.” To see him fighting with Abbott brings joy to my heart.

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ckkatz  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:20:00pm

re: #44 retired cynic

Those men looks so tired…

Very true.

They have probably been dealing with people trying to kill them on a 24/7 basis for several weeks now. It definitely wears on one.

My father who served in combat during WW2, talked about one time where he and a number of other GI’s were sheltering in a bunker for several days as the Germans continually shelled the area.

He looked at one friend and noted that the friends hands were trembling. The friend replied “Look at your own hands.” My father looked down and saw that his own hands were also trembling.

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retired cynic  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:20:31pm

Someone else I’m worried about right now is A Mom Anon. No matter that you know your spouse is basically living on borrowed time, you never can be ready.

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:22:23pm

Well, this is going to leave a mark…

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:23:17pm

re: #51 retired cynic

Someone else I’m worried about right now is A Mom Anon. No matter that you know your spouse is basically living on borrowed time, you never can be ready.

I know too many people in the disabled community who aren’t with us anymore.
It’s not one bit easier for each time I lose another friend and colleague. Not one bit easier.

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ckkatz  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:24:28pm

re: #46 darthstar

The 36th made it to join with the Azov today…they even got their wounded through. I’d love to see a miracle dump of support into their laps, or a shit ton of air support show up for one day to strafe the living fuck out of the Russians pounding them.

I believe that last week, two Ukrainian helicopters with a large number of soldiers aboard were shot down. It appears that the Ukrainians have been slipping helicopters filled with supplies into Mariupol on a regular basis. And then evacuating the wounded on the return trip.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:26:21pm

re: #51 retired cynic

Someone else I’m worried about right now is A Mom Anon. No matter that you know your spouse is basically living on borrowed time, you never can be ready.

You keep on hoping that the doctors are wrong in their prognosis or that a new treatment will be effective; you just don’t believe that modern medicine will fail your spouse. She has been responding on Facebook, where she has friends/family who know her and her son IRL.

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:26:24pm

No racism here, folks. Move along.

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:30:35pm

re: #52 darthstar

Well, this is going to leave a mark…

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Other leaders in the shipping sector have also decided to leave Russia - this includes Mediterranean Shipping Company (MSC), CMA CGM, Hapag-Lloyd, Ocean Network Express (ONE) and Yang Ming. A number of other operators using smaller terminals have pulled out too.

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ckkatz  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:31:16pm

re: #51 retired cynic

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ckkatz  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:35:45pm

re: #45 darthstar

Wow! A player being a decent guy rather than a jerk. That’s actually kind of refreshing.

And the sad part is that I suspect that most of the players really are decent guys. We just don’t hear about them.

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:37:18pm

re: #55 Hecuba’s daughter

I saw her post about his passing earlier. She’s got some shock and grieving and shit to go through. I know there were a few close calls in recent months and other stress factors on top of that. I’m glad she’s got a decent real world support network. If someone has info on services/donations/whatever please private message me so I can contribute.

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Egregious Philbin  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:37:24pm

I posted this on the Facebook page for Gilbert Gottfried’s podcast. Understandably it is jammed with shock, remembrances, sadness and love from so many people who really got to know him, from over 400 shows.

I really gotta hand it to Gil. We met him twice after shows and did the geeky fan handshake and photo op, and I got his book signed, and the movie, and he signed The Aristocrats and Funky Monkey. Each time he was gracious and inviting and nice. I honestly don’t know if I could do that every night. Listening to the same jokes, the same references, the same awkward stabs at conversation every show. But he did, he wasn’t a dick, it wasn’t something he had to do. We went to see Penn & Teller and it was the same way. That is how you endear yourself to your true fans, the awkward geeks who don’t know what to say (and who can’t do their own amazing John McGiver impersonations on the spot). So thanks to Gilbert… The second time I met him, I thanked him for letting us know that he felt geeky meeting his idols. And I told him that he truly was a mensch. What a wonderful gentleman.

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:38:54pm

re: #59 ckkatz

Wow! A player being a decent guy rather than a jerk. That’s actually kind of refreshing.

And the sad part is that I suspect that most of the players really are decent guys. We just don’t hear about them.

Hosmer’s a good egg. I hated him when he was with KC the year we beat them in the World Series because he was such a threat. Now he’s a regular in-season threat and I just dislike him when he’s at bat. But he’s a good guy from all reports.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:39:45pm

re: #45 darthstar

Watching the game right now and I didn’t even register that our first base coach is Alyssa Nakken…another glass ceiling shattered.

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“What about all the highly qualified men who didn’t get chosen for that?” //

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:40:08pm

Okay time for bed…I’ll leave you with some Belarusian love…

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:45:08pm

re: #55 Hecuba’s daughter

You keep on hoping that the doctors are wrong in their prognosis or that a new treatment will be effective; you just don’t believe that modern medicine will fail your spouse. She has been responding on Facebook, where she has friends/family who know her and her son IRL.

Yes, this!

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ckkatz  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:48:41pm

Reminds me of the folks renting Ukrainian AirBnB places while not intending to ever go there. Just to throw some money the owner’s way while the owner lets refugees/internally displaced stay for free.

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ckkatz  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:50:51pm

More on the Mariupol possible chemical agent use:

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ckkatz  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:53:44pm

The presidents of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are in Kyiv:

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William Lewis  Apr 12, 2022 • 9:58:08pm

re: #50 ckkatz

Very true.

They have probably been dealing with people trying to kill them on a 24/7 basis for several weeks now. It definitely wears on one.

My father who served in combat during WW2, talked about one time where he and a number of other GI’s were sheltering in a bunker for several days as the Germans continually shelled the area.

He looked at one friend and noted that the friends hands were trembling. The friend replied “Look at your own hands.” My father looked down and saw that his own hands were also trembling.

I was once told a story from my ex-wife’s uncle. He was in the infantry in WWII and ended up in the Battle of the Bulge with only summer uniforms (he never forgave the Army for that and was jealous of the northern soldiers who had family mailing them LL Bean boots and the like). Early on his unit was over run and he played dead in a ditch. He said he could have reached out and touched the hobnail boots as they marched past. Eventually they did pass, he added a couple of layers of summer coats and made his way back to allied lines without being caught.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2022 • 10:01:09pm

I do wonder how much crowdfunding there was back in the world wars before the US got directly involved.

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 12, 2022 • 10:14:03pm

re: #70 Belafon

I do wonder how much crowdfunding there was back in the world wars before the US got directly involved.

In the Civil War, what we call “crowdfunding” was VERY common. Northerners would raise money—and troops!

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2022 • 10:19:29pm

Wordle for the day

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ckkatz  Apr 12, 2022 • 10:23:36pm

re: #69 William Lewis

I was once told a story from my ex-wife’s uncle. He was in the infantry in WWII and ended up in the Battle of the Bulge with only summer uniforms (he never forgave the Army for that and was jealous of the northern soldiers who had family mailing them LL Bean boots and the like). Early on his unit was over run and he played dead in a ditch. He said he could have reached out and touched the hobnail boots as they marched past. Eventually they did pass, he added a couple of layers of summer coats and made his way back to allied lines without being caught.

Glad that he made it back to Allied lines safely. And yes, I have heard that it was ung-dly fricking cold then. And I am really amazed at all the risks and danger that generation faced.

Years ago, a friend talked about his uncle, who also got separated from his unit when it was overrun during the Battle of the Bulge. Like your ex-in-law, after days of playing hide and seek with the Germans, he also safely made it back to US lines.

As I am sure that you know, during the offensive, the Germans had tried to infiltrate German soldiers wearing American uniforms into the American lines. Many were caught and executed by the Americans. But it did alarm everybody on the US side, particularly the MPs.

The friend’s uncle, once he made back, was taken to an MP (Military Police) position and grilled about who he was, etc. After a lot of this treatment the friend’s uncle, completely aggravated, told the MPs “I just spent the last week killing people I didn’t know. And I’m beginning to dislike you SOB’s”.

I think that they sent him back to his unit at that point.

The friend also said that his uncle was recalled back to service during the Korean War. The Army supposedly issued his unit early bulletproof vests.

In one engagement, the unit close assaulted a North Koren position (middle of winter, wearing heavy winter clothes and the vest). As the uncle passed a North Korean position, a North Korean soldier stood up and let him have a burst of PPSh Russian submachine gun (which uses pistol cartridges) fire in the back.

The rounds did not penetrate, but the force knocked the American over. As he got back up he saw the North Korean look at the American getting back up, then look at his submachine gun, then look at the American again. The North Korean then tossed the submachine gun and fled.

The friend, by the way, ended up joining the Army and retired as an EOD Bird Colonel. At some point, I’ll have to tell his “Governor of Hawaii” story at some point.

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ckkatz  Apr 12, 2022 • 10:34:26pm

Well, Microsoft wants me to bounce my system so they can install their latest collection of computer bugs.

And its time for bed anyway.

Sweet Lizard dreams to all!

And obligatory Dad joke:

The police just knocked at my house to tell me my dog was chasing a kid on a bike.
I just closed the door because my dog doesn’t even have a bike.

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wrenchwench  Apr 12, 2022 • 11:29:55pm

I did my taxes. TaxHawk. The IRS has already ‘accepted’ my return, whatever that means. The electrons have arrived. Refunds will take longer.

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JC1  Apr 12, 2022 • 11:33:54pm

4/6. Bit unusual. No letters out of place.

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JC1  Apr 12, 2022 • 11:39:52pm

re: #33 Belafon

Here’s the big reason Zelenskyy called out Germany and blocked the visit by Scholz:

balloon-juice.com

He didn’t block Scholz from visiting, in fact Ukraine stated that Scholz is welcomed to visit. He didn’t want to meet with the German president Steinmeier, who over the years was very friendly with Putin+co.

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 12, 2022 • 11:40:28pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

They can have the essence of my debit card to pay for it…
Think placebo money. ///

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2022 • 11:51:08pm

re: #43 ckkatz

In Mariupol, a unit of the 36th Separate Marine Brigade named after Rear Admiral Belinsky was able to get out of the enemy’s encirclement and join the Azov regiment.

Putinversteher spin:

“more and more Ukrainians joining the Nazi movement”

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Teukka  Apr 12, 2022 • 11:56:55pm

Morning, post nil-per oral blood work musics in this lizards lair:

Youtube Video

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Apr 13, 2022 • 12:22:06am

re: #77 JC1

4/6. Bit unusual. No letters out of place.

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I’ve started calling those Skylines.

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wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2022 • 12:23:08am

Fourwordle.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 13, 2022 • 12:44:27am

Will need cataract surgery this year, so I’m watching vids by top doctors to see how scared I should be:

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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 2:01:29am

WTF… (Spoilered because of ⚠️ TW/CW: Talk about sexual assault ⚠️)

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Dave In Austin  Apr 13, 2022 • 2:04:00am

4am here in CenTex. Can’t sleep so I guess I’ll kniff off on this little Hunter I started yesterday.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 13, 2022 • 2:11:32am

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 13, 2022 • 3:04:54am

re: #84 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Will need cataract surgery this year, so I’m watching vids by top doctors to see how scared I should be:

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I don’t want to watch, I’m already scared.

How scared should I be? I’m not sure I can do it. I don’t deal with pain well. Like at all well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 3:11:09am

I really feel blessed that I have had to endure nothing more than a few stitches here and there. (so far)

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Ming5000  Apr 13, 2022 • 3:11:10am

Good morning.
Interesting tidbit, so far there are no known Muscovite KIA or POW on the books.

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John Hughes  Apr 13, 2022 • 3:20:04am

re: #47 Hecuba’s daughter

along with Google Translate in 2011 “recreating the Tower of Babel.”

uh, Google translate, for all of its faults, is sorta the opposite of the tower of Babel.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 13, 2022 • 3:27:27am

re: #91 John Hughes

uh, Google translate, for all of its faults, is sorta the opposite of the tower of Babel.

I have gotten to the point of leaving a tab open. It seems to do a reasonable job with Russian and Ukrainian. I haven’t checked Japanese in awhile. It used to be terrible.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Apr 13, 2022 • 3:36:45am

re: #92 Barefoot Grin

I have gotten to the point of leaving a tab open. It seems to do a reasonable job with Russian and Ukrainian. I haven’t checked Japanese in awhile. It used to be terrible.

In college one of my Comp Sci classes on Compiler Design and Context-Free Languages (one of the few areas that I recommend actually reading or paying any attention to Noam Chomsky) was taught by a professor who was Japanese, and worked on research in computer translation and artificial intelligence. She said (in 2008) that she doesn’t believe computers will ever be able to perfectly translate any language 100% of the time. This is an AI researcher saying this… so It won’t surprise me if Google Translate is still horrible on Japanese.

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JC1  Apr 13, 2022 • 3:47:32am

re: #92 Barefoot Grin

I have gotten to the point of leaving a tab open. It seems to do a reasonable job with Russian and Ukrainian. I haven’t checked Japanese in awhile. It used to be terrible.

Japanese to English is tricky because the sentence structures are different.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 3:48:03am

re: #93 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

There is the mundane and pedestrian task of rendering an intelligible version of a simple text and then there is translating a text to convey all the shades and nuances of its original meaning.

The latter will take ages, and is something that only skilled translators can manage.

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JC1  Apr 13, 2022 • 3:49:52am

re: #93 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

In college one of my Comp Sci classes on Compiler Design and Context-Free Languages (one of the few areas that I recommend actually reading or paying any attention to Noam Chomsky) was taught by a professor who was Japanese, and worked on research in computer translation and artificial intelligence. She said (in 2008) that she doesn’t believe computers will ever be able to perfectly translate any language 100% of the time. This is an AI researcher saying this… so It won’t surprise me if Google Translate is still horrible on Japanese.

I will go on a limb and say that whenever someone says ‘computers will never be able to do X’ with X being a task that people can perform, they’re wrong. It’s just a matter of time, unless we nuke ourselves or get zapped by something from space.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 3:53:47am

re: #94 JC1

Japanese to English is tricky because the sentence structures are different.

German can be confounding due to its capitalization. On the one hand, they capitalize all nouns, so you don’t know if words like Tannenwald or Töpfer refer to a fir forest or a potter respectively, or to persons with those surnames.

At the same time all adjectives are small, even when they refer to names. I ran into that issue with a translation about the töpferische Reformen, which had nothing to do with reforms involving potters or pottery, but with the then-German Minister for Ecology, Klaus Töpfer.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Apr 13, 2022 • 3:55:36am

re: #96 JC1

I will go on a limb and say that whenever someone says ‘computers will never be able to do X’ with X being a task that people can perform, they’re wrong. It’s just a matter of time, unless we nuke ourselves or get zapped by something from space.

Well I don’t believe that true AI (as in actual artificial life, sentient, sapient and self aware. Hal 9000, Data from Star Trek, Skynet, etc) is possible with Von Neumann architecture computers. There are many “processes” for lack of a better term that the human brain can do, which are non-algorithmic. Certain things you can’t do with math. Things you can do in seconds, but would take a computer longer than the age of the universe to do. So I feel comfortable saying that unless a different paradigm for computing comes into use, Real Artificial Intelligence is 100% impossible.

Perhaps quantum computing will do it, but the current way of doing things: Nope. Never.

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JC1  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:08:34am

re: #98 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

Well I don’t believe that true AI (as in actual artificial life, sentient, sapient and self aware. Hal 9000, Data from Star Trek, Skynet, etc) is possible with Von Neumann architecture computers. There are many “processes” for lack of a better term that the human brain can do, which are non-algorithmic. Certain things you can’t do with math. Things you can do in seconds, but would take a computer longer than the age of the universe to do. So I feel comfortable saying that unless a different paradigm for computing comes into use, Real Artificial Intelligence is 100% impossible.

Perhaps quantum computing will do it, but the current way of doing things: Nope. Never.

There’s nothing magical about our brains. There’s no reason why classical computers can’t simulate intelligence/sentience with the right software and faster hardware. What’s an example of something you or I can do in seconds that would take a computer the age of the universe to accomplish?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:10:40am

re: #99 JC1

There’s nothing magical about our brains. There’s no reason why classical computers can’t simulate intelligence/sentience with the right software and faster hardware. What’s an example of something you or I can do in seconds that would take a computer the age of the universe to accomplish?

fall in love

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:11:18am

Some news here:

(via machine translation)

Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson’s goal is for Sweden to join NATO in June this year, sources tell SvD. The information comes in parallel with Finland today presenting its new security policy analysis and the Swedish Social Democrats drawing up the plan to deal with the issue internally.

It is in a text from SvD’s Torbjörn Nilsson that the Social Democrats’ party leadership has decided on the NATO issue. Magdalena Andersson’s goal is for Sweden to join NATO in June this year, says informants in the party.

The application is scheduled to be submitted at the NATO meeting in Madrid June 29-20, according to SvD’s sources.

Source, in Swedish (paywalled): svd.se

Are we sure Putin isn’t some CIA deep-cover sleeper agent with a long-term task to destroy Russia and expand NATO and Western influence? You know, like someone called him from Langley a decade or so ago and said, “The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep.”

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The Squire of Logos  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:14:10am

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

fall in love

Attraction is illogical.
Love is illogical.
You and your kind will be assimilated.
We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us.

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TarHellion  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:16:51am

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The Squire of Logos  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:16:56am

re: #101 Dr Lizardo

Putin’s methods are crude and clumsy, but he has managed to destroy a good portion of the Russian military (and its reputation) while enlarging the number of states belonging to NATO and strengthening the EU. Kinda makes you wonder if he is a sleeper agent (a really poor one admittedly).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:17:44am

re: #102 The Squire of Logos

Attraction is illogical.
Love is illogical.
You and your kind will be assimilated.
We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us.

you are irrelevant, love will invert your cortical matrices and cause your coronary stimulators to fatally overload, and yet you will request renewed stimulation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:19:10am

re: #104 The Squire of Logos

Putin’s methods are crude and clumsy, but he has managed to destroy a good portion of the Russian military (and its reputation) while enlarging the number of states belonging to NATO and strengthening the EU. Kinda makes you wonder if he is a sleeper agent (a really poor one admittedly).

His attentions in future will be directed at other former Soviet republics: the ones with the large Russian expatriate populations: they will be his equivalent of the Sudetenland Germans, and he will justify his actions with defending their freedoms and right of self-determination.

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JC1  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:24:42am

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

fall in love

The qualia of an experience is an interesting problem. Do you and I experience the color blue the same way? Or any emotion for that matter.
There’s no reason why an AI couldn’t be programmed to fall in love.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:25:05am

re: #71 Sherlock Hound

In the Civil War, what we call “crowdfunding” was VERY common. Northerners would raise money—and troops!

The classical trope for the women of the home front (both sides) was to meet and “roll bandages”. The Victorian era Class VIII, though they didn’t call it that.

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A Mom Anon  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:25:10am

re: #51 retired cynic

Hi there. Yesterday was awful. My son isn’t doing that well, and I am worried about him. I spent an hour on hold with social security and had to hang up because I have to do other stuff and answer other calls. I also forgot that we have to do taxes for us and our son and my husband always did them. He got a new laptop and I’m not sure what the passcode is to get into it. I might be able to figure it out. That’s where the tax software is. If I can’t get in I have a nearly new laptop that will be basically useless. Everywhere I look there’s a worry. I’m so tired. I slept a few hours last night into this morning, but I feel like I will never feel rested again.

Pretty sure I found a crematorium, I have to finalize all that today. My in-laws offered to pay for it, I have to learn not to feel bad for accepting help. I just don’t know where to have a memorial.

I connected with my family yesterday for the first time in a few years. My brother and I haven’t spoken for over a decade, we reconnected on Facebook last night. I don’t trust them, but I can’t carry all this resentment around anymore. Time will tell if this was a mistake on my part or not. My parents and sister both called me yesterday and were supportive and kind. I guess time will tell.

I also heard from the friend who introduced me to my husband. I’ve known her for almost 40 years but we had a falling out a couple of years ago and I let her go because our relationship was mostly via communication with Facebook messenger. No phone calls, no invites to things, etc. I just figured our friendship was over and she had moved on.

I guess the best way to describe how I am doing is scared, anxious, incredibly sad, and lonely. It’s just me and my son and Cleo now and all of us are just clinging to whatever we can to get through each hour that passes. It’s very lonely to watch the rest of the world move forward and you are barely able to function. I just wish I had someone here to hold me while sob uncontrollably and help me adult my way through this. I am so lost right now, it’s scaring me a little. Everywhere I look there is something new I have to take care of and I don’t know if I can. Like figuring out what to do with his car that I can’t afford to keep, it’s in his name only, I can’t do anything without a death certificate. Social security is impossible to contact by phone, you can’t even call a local office, you have to call the 800 number. That has to get dealt with or I have to repay this months direct deposit, and I have to do whatever I need to to get his benefits transferred to me. Then there’s getting his name removed from the house and the heloc loan so I can sell the house when the time comes. All this requires a death certificate that apparently can take up to six weeks to get because, Georgia.

Everywhere I look I see my husband, which isn’t bad, it’s just that I know that eventually I have to go through all his stuff and decide what to keep, give away or sell. I’m thinking, if I can afford it, of sending a bunch of my husband’s T-shirts to a place that makes them into quilts. If there are enough I might have one made for me and one for my son. I could do it, but I simply can’t right now, there’s no time and I am running on empty.

It would be so much easier if I had someone to be here and hold my hand while I walk through all this. 😢💔

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:27:00am

re: #107 JC1

The qualia of an experience is an interesting problem. Do and I experience the color blue the same way? Or any emotion for that matter.
There’s no reason why an AI couldn’t be programmed to fall in love.

There is certainly a market for it…the Virtual Android Girlfriend Interface Neural Adaptor.

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The Squire of Logos  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:31:43am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is certainly a market for it…the Virtual Android Girlfriend Interface Neural Adaptor.

The Incel market alone would be huge! Think of the profits!

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:32:46am

re: #99 JC1

There’s nothing magical about our brains. There’s no reason why classical computers can’t simulate intelligence/sentience with the right software and faster hardware. What’s an example of something you or I can do in seconds that would take a computer the age of the universe to accomplish?

Nothing Magic is required. Your brain is not a Von Neumann architecture computer. It doesn’t run mathematical algorithms to do everything. That’s not how neural activity works, and is definitely not how consciousness works.

An example of this is explained at 25:00 to at least 31:30 in this video.

Youtube Video

Penrose has spent a great deal of his career trying to claim that the mind and consciousness would require quantum computers to replicate. I’m not willing to say that’s true, but I am willing to say Von Neumann computers absolutely cannot replicate consciousness and a sentient mind.

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The Squire of Logos  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:33:00am

re: #109 A Mom Anon

You seem/sound better than yesterday. Hang in there, we are here if you need us. {{}}

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:34:16am

re: #84 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Will need cataract surgery this year, so I’m watching vids by top doctors to see how scared I should be:

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Over the last dozen years I’ve had very many eye surgeries for cataracts and stubborn glaucoma threat. At worst, they were a bother, hardly as much actual pain as an eyelash in the eye. I can see much better now than when it started, using glasses only to read the smallest typefonts. Then again, my eye-doc is a fucking Jamaican miracleworker, the most valuable person in Baja Alabama.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:36:28am

re: #88 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I don’t want to watch, I’m already scared.

How scared should I be? I’m not sure I can do it. I don’t deal with pain well. Like at all well.

See 114 above

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JC1  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:37:24am

re: #112 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

Nothing Magic is required. Your brain is not a Von Neumann architecture computer. It doesn’t run mathematical algorithms to do everything. That’s not how neural activity works, and is definitely not how consciousness works.

An example of this is explained at 25:00 to at least 31:30 in this video.

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Penrose has spent a great deal of his career trying to claim that the mind and consciousness would require quantum computers to replicate. I’m not willing to say that’s true, but I am willing to say Von Neumann computers absolutely cannot replicate consciousness and a sentient mind.

Ultimately, everything is the simple math of physics. It looks different to us because we’re seeing brain function from several abstraction layers above. But there’s nothing going on that can’t be simulated with math. And you likely don’t need to simulate it at that level.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:44:10am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:47:23am
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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:48:04am

re: #112 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

Nothing Magic is required. Your brain is not a Von Neumann architecture computer. It doesn’t run mathematical algorithms to do everything. That’s not how neural activity works, and is definitely not how consciousness works.

An example of this is explained at 25:00 to at least 31:30 in this video.

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Video

Penrose has spent a great deal of his career trying to claim that the mind and consciousness would require quantum computers to replicate. I’m not willing to say that’s true, but I am willing to say Von Neumann computers absolutely cannot replicate consciousness and a sentient mind.

Of course it took a few hundred million years for our brains to evolve, so we should have a little patience while technology tries to catch up.

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:51:45am

re: #78 JC1

He didn’t block Scholz from visiting, in fact Ukraine stated that Scholz is welcomed to visit. He didn’t want to meet with the German president Steinmeier, who over the years was very friendly with Putin+co.

Thanks.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:53:34am

re: #116 JC1

Ultimately, everything is the simple math of physics. It looks different to us because we’re seeing brain function from several abstraction layers above. But there’s nothing going on that can’t be simulated with math. And you likely don’t need to simulate it at that level.

I literally just showed you an example of something that classical computers would take forever to calculate that you can just look at and instantly see it’s true. It cannot be done with math. Everything a computer does is math. Mathematical algorithms. Also, simulating is not the same as replicating.

The instruction set of of a Von Neumann architecture computer is based entirely on moving data from one location (from/to memory locations and registers in the CPU) and then performing arithmetic or mathematical logic functions/comparisons on that data.

Maybe there is quantum weirdness involved in consciousness. I’m not willing to go there, especially since “quantum woo-woo” is given way too much credit and new age assholes think latching the Q-word on to something is supposed to make everyone take their bullshit seriously.

But I will say again. You will never create a self-aware consciousness with a classical Von Neumann computers. You can make something that appears to be 99.9999% of the time, but “appears to be most of the time” is not the same as “actually is all the time.”

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:56:08am

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

His attentions in future will be directed at other former Soviet republics: the ones with the large Russian expatriate populations: they will be his equivalent of the Sudetenland Germans, and he will justify his actions with defending their freedoms and right of self-determination.

He’ll have to use more subtle methods, because its going to take a very long time to rebuild the military Ukraine has destroyed, especially assuming the West continues to restrict Russian access to technology with military applications. So I assume he’ll be supporting low tech Russian terrorist cells.

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:58:09am

re: #93 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

In college one of my Comp Sci classes on Compiler Design and Context-Free Languages (one of the few areas that I recommend actually reading or paying any attention to Noam Chomsky) was taught by a professor who was Japanese, and worked on research in computer translation and artificial intelligence. She said (in 2008) that she doesn’t believe computers will ever be able to perfectly translate any language 100% of the time. This is an AI researcher saying this… so It won’t surprise me if Google Translate is still horrible on Japanese.

The translations won’t be perfect as long as the translators don’t have knowledge built into their system, the “time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana” problem. But remember that video of the Asian guy helping an American farmer repair his tractor using the phone translator? It worked well enough to do the job.

But I’m learning Spanish in my 50s, and I don’t think I will ever do as good a job of translating as Google.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 4:59:16am
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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:00:23am

re: #98 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

Well I don’t believe that true AI (as in actual artificial life, sentient, sapient and self aware. Hal 9000, Data from Star Trek, Skynet, etc) is possible with Von Neumann architecture computers. There are many “processes” for lack of a better term that the human brain can do, which are non-algorithmic. Certain things you can’t do with math. Things you can do in seconds, but would take a computer longer than the age of the universe to do. So I feel comfortable saying that unless a different paradigm for computing comes into use, Real Artificial Intelligence is 100% impossible.

Perhaps quantum computing will do it, but the current way of doing things: Nope. Never.

Considering our brain is a collection of nerve pulses and inhibitors, it’s doing a pretty good job by just using numbers.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:00:36am

re: #122 No Malarkey!

He’ll have to use more subtle methods, because its going to take a very long time to rebuild the military Ukraine has destroyed, especially assuming the West continues to restrict Russian access to technology with military applications. So I assume he’ll be supporting low tech Russian terrorist cells.

The “long time” of which you speak is likely beyond Putin’s remaining lifespan, even if he doesn’t have an “accident”.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:02:18am

re: #119 No Malarkey!

Of course it took a few hundred million years for our brains to evolve, so we should have a little patience while technology tries to catch up.

We don’t quite know what “human” is, and the more we contemplate it the less certain we become. A more likely path is meat-machine fusion, increasing physical and mental prosthetics. Some of the imaginable specializations get scary.

During some religious/colonialist debate in the 1500s, it became necessary to define “human” and the best the Pope could come up with was “anyone born of humans”. Then he arbitrarily decided that New World natives were included.

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:03:25am

re: #107 JC1

The qualia of an experience is an interesting problem. Do you and I experience the color blue the same way? Or any emotion for that matter.
There’s no reason why an AI couldn’t be programmed to fall in love.

If we get to the point where a neural net can form and communicate abstract concepts, there is not reason it couldn’t develop emotions.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:05:10am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

We don’t quite know what “human” is, and the more we contemplate it the less certain we become. A more likely path is meat-machine fusion, increasing physical and mental prosthetics. Some of the imaginable specializations get scary.

That was explored quite nicely in 1995’s Ghost in the Shell. Had a real solid existential theme to it; that’s probably why it’s often considered one of the greatest - and most influential - animated films of all time.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:05:17am

re: #128 Belafon

If we get to the point where a neural net can form and communicate abstract concepts, there is not reason it couldn’t develop emotions.

Smart money says “Hate” is first.

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Dangerman  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:05:51am

re: #75 wrenchwench

I did my taxes. TaxHawk. The IRS has already ‘accepted’ my return, whatever that means. The electrons have arrived. Refunds will take longer.

Accepted beats excepted

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:07:09am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

We don’t quite know what “human” is, and the more we contemplate it the less certain we become. A more likely path is meat-machine fusion, increasing physical and mental prosthetics. Some of the imaginable specializations get scary.

During some religious/colonialist debate in the 1500s, it became necessary to define “human” and the best the Pope could come up with was “anyone born of humans”. Then he arbitrarily decided that New World natives were included.

Which was a perfectly acceptable definition at the time because every human alive had been born of other clearly human people. It gets tricky if you go back in time a couple of million years. Since biology is messy and fuzzy, there is no way to draw a sharp line and say “this is the first human.”

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:08:59am
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Eventual Carrion  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:09:26am

re: #77 JC1

4/6. Bit unusual. No letters out of place.

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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:09:34am

re: #125 Belafon

Considering our brain is a collection of nerve pulses and inhibitors, it’s doing a pretty good job by just using numbers.

Simulating intelligence and actually being intelligent, conscious, and self-aware are two different things that I don’t think people are “getting” here.

I’ve stated clearly that I don’t think Strong AI that is basically “alive” for lack of a better term is possible with algorithmic computer architectures. Being a good “simulation” of a human mind is not the same as being a good “replication” of the human mind.

The ability to pass a Turing test doesn’t imply consciousness.

It’s like I’m attacking people’s religions with this. Someday self aware computers or robots might be a thing, they just wont have “Intel Inside” or “Powered by AMD” stickers on them. I wouldn’t hold my breath or lose any sleep over something like Skynet happening.

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darthstar  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:09:55am

Good morning. Things seem to be moving quickly in diplomacyland…

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:10:32am

re: #129 Dr Lizardo

That was explored quite nicely in 1995’s Ghost in the Shell. Had a real solid existential theme to it - that’s probably why it’s often considered one of the greatest - and most influential - animated films of all time.

Saw that film, so the idea is probably buried in my synthesis. (My skinsack contains about 3% titanium, steel, teflon, polycarbonates, and heavy metals by weight.)

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:10:43am

re: #133 Dr Lizardo

Congratulations, Vlad, You have pushed the famously neutral Sweden into the arms of NATO. Of course, this is all part of his master plan, since like Trump, he is playing eleventy dimensional chess.

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darthstar  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:10:43am

re: #133 Dr Lizardo

Beat me by a minute.

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darthstar  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:11:31am

re: #138 No Malarkey!

Congratulations, Vlad, You have pushed the famously neutral Sweden into the arms of NATO. Of course, this is all part of his master plan, since like Trump, he is playing eleventy dimensional chess.

Like Trump, he’s playing eleventy dimensional with his poop.

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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:12:21am

re: #118 Dave In Austin

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:12:54am

re: #122 No Malarkey!

He’ll have to use more subtle methods, because its going to take a very long time to rebuild the military Ukraine has destroyed, especially assuming the West continues to restrict Russian access to technology with military applications. So I assume he’ll be supporting low tech Russian terrorist cells.

Again, I am surprised that he did not do more of that in Ukraine, I had expected the Russian Fifth Column to have moved against Ukrainian communications, command and transport as well as the power grid in advance of the invasion.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:13:33am

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Saw that film, so the idea is probably buried in my synthesis. (My skinsack contains about 3% titanium, steel, teflon, polycarbonates, and heavy metals by weight.)

It’s a hell of a great film. I know it inspired the Wachowskis to make The Matrix, which in turn was another influential sci-fi film.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:15:41am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, I am surprised that he did not do more of that in Ukraine, I had expected the Russian Fifth Column to have moved against Ukrainian communications, command and transport as well as the power grid in advance of the invasion.

The money to develop a Fifth Column in the Ukraine was probably stolen by higher ups in the FSB. That’s the problem with a Kakistocracy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:18:02am

re: #144 No Malarkey!

The money to develop a Fifth Column in the Ukraine was probably stolen by higher ups in the FSB. That’s the problem with a Kakistocracy.

A Khakistocracy, on the other hand, is far more comfortable.

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:18:20am

re: #144 No Malarkey!

The money to develop a Fifth Column in the Ukraine was probably stolen by higher ups in the FSB. That’s the problem with a Kakistocracy.

That does seem to be a recurring theme.

On the other hand, I started to develop the attitude after only having lived there for a year in the early 90’s that if I saw something not nailed down that I might as well just take it, if I don’t somebody else will come along and steal it…

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:19:35am

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That does seem to be a recurring theme.

On the other hand, I started to develop the attitude after only having lived there for a year in the early 90’s that if I saw something not nailed down that I might as well just take it, if I don’t somebody else will come along and steal it…

I heard that’s why Russians take their windshield wipers off their cars when they park, because otherwise they will be stolen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:20:40am

re: #147 No Malarkey!

I heard that’s why Russians take their windshield wipers off their cars when they park, because otherwise they will be stolen.

Yes, I made the mistake of leaving them on once.

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darthstar  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:21:18am
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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:21:26am

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

A Khakistocracy, on the other hand, is far more comfortable.

/

Khakism is a thing—a set of ideological movements in late-colonial Africa that adopted Christian-soldier concepts and dress into a liberation front.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:22:55am

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That does seem to be a recurring theme.

On the other hand, I started to develop the attitude after only having lived there for a year in the early 90’s that if I saw something not nailed down that I might as well just take it, if I don’t somebody else will come along and steal it…

Only a short leap to invading Ukraine, though that was nailed-down better than it appeared.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:27:06am

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Khakism is a thing—a set of ideological movements in late-colonial Africa that adopted Christian-soldier concepts and dress into a liberation front.

Interesting…but it was still a good joke. :P

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Dangerman  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:30:11am

re: #109 A Mom Anon

It would be so much easier if I had someone to be here and hold my hand while I walk through all this. 😢💔

Many of us are holding your hand though we can’t be there in person.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:30:38am

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

Interesting…but it was still a good joke. :P

It sent me back to refresh on the movement. The Intertubes is very confused because there is a lot of your joke-based fashion discussion and there seems to be a khaki-SM.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:32:47am

I remember seeing that someone had come along and splattered paint all over the leatherette seat covers on the commuter trains that ran to the Moscow suburbs. I asked what sort of vandalism that was.

Someone explained to me me that was an anti-vandalism measure: to prevent people from cutting out the seat covers to take home and re-sew into handbags or jackets, etc…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:33:19am

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Yes, I googled it myself and was some disappointed at the lack of results.

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jeffreyw  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:33:21am

Gabe and Homer are looking forward to some excitement.

Good morning!

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Dangerman  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:36:46am

re: #153 Dangerman

Many of us are holding your hand though we can’t be there in person.

Mom,

DO NOT worry about taxes or April 15/18 right now.
File an extension
On paper, in the mail.
It’s easy and fast.

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xox

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:39:12am

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes, I googled it myself and was some disappointed at the lack of results.

There are traces of the political/religious thing in a quick google. The various groups gave themselves churchly names, only outside observers saw the larger trend. Had to remember classes from 50 years ago.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:45:08am

Posted this today to a Twitter antivaxxer who thought the vaccine would’ve killed me by now.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:47:35am

re: #160 No Malarkey!

Posted this today to a Twitter antivaxxer who thought the vaccine would’ve killed me by now.

Is Jeffrey still with us?

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:49:55am

re: #161 Decatur Deb

Is Jeffrey still with us?

As of two days ago, yes.

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darthstar  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:50:43am

re: #161 Decatur Deb

Is Jeffrey still with us?

He stopped posting Nov 2021…but there’s a post from him from March 22, 2022…got curious about that myself and looked.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:51:30am

re: #162 No Malarkey!

As of two days ago, yes.

Confirmed in his stupidity, then. “Invincible ignorance” used to be a term used only in theology.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:53:23am

Not just Sweden, but now Finland…

Finland will make a decision about whether to apply to join the 30-member NATO alliance in the next few weeks, Prime Minister Sanna Marin said on Wednesday.

Until now, Finland and fellow Nordic state and neighbour Sweden have shied away from joining NATO, the U.S.-led alliance founded in 1949 to counter the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

But Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has forced an urgent rethink.

“There are different perspectives to apply (for) NATO membership or not to apply and we have to analyze these very carefully,” Marin told reporters in a joint news conference in Stockholm with her Swedish counterpart.

“But I think our process will be quite fast, it will happen in weeks,” said Marin, whose country shares a long border with Russia to the east.

usnews.com

It’s starting to look more and more like Putin’s failure is complete.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:55:05am

re: #163 darthstar

He stopped posting Nov 2021…but there’s a post from him from March 22, 2022…got curious about that myself and looked.

He replied to someone else on April 11 as well.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:59:10am

re: #165 Dr Lizardo

Not just Sweden, but now Finland…

usnews.com

It’s starting to look more and more like Putin’s failure is complete.

Haha, that is what you are supposed to think! Putin’s master plan:

1. Invade Ukraine
2. Western sanctions wreck economy
3. EU and NATO unite to support Ukraine
4. Ukraine mauls Russian army
5. Sweden and Finland apply for NATO membership while you issue impotent threats
6. Ukraine admitted into EU
7. ???
8. World Domination!

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darthstar  Apr 13, 2022 • 5:59:43am

Today’s speed wordle.
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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:01:11am

re: #112 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

Nothing Magic is required. Your brain is not a Von Neumann architecture computer. It doesn’t run mathematical algorithms to do everything. That’s not how neural activity works, and is definitely not how consciousness works.

An example of this is explained at 25:00 to at least 31:30 in this video.

[Embedded content]

Penrose has spent a great deal of his career trying to claim that the mind and consciousness would require quantum computers to replicate. I’m not willing to say that’s true, but I am willing to say Von Neumann computers absolutely cannot replicate consciousness and a sentient mind.

Penrose is an amazing guy, but his view on this amounts to the brain not doing everything on its own. A neuron isn’t that special. Don’t attribute anything special to the human brain since it’s not any different than other animals other than scale. And we already perform the equivalent processing of simpler animals.

I also see von Neumann architecture get picked on, but considering the advancements made over the last 16 years, I don’t think it’s underperformed. Our brains tooks a few million years to get where we are.

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darthstar  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:01:22am

This will be good if it’s accurate…especially the coastal drones.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:03:57am

re: #167 No Malarkey!

Haha, that is what you are supposed to think! Putin’s master plan:

1. Invade Ukraine
2. Western sanctions wreck economy
3. EU and NATO unite to support Ukraine
4. Ukraine mauls Russian army
5. Sweden and Finland apply for NATO membership while you issue impotent threats
6. Ukraine admitted into EU
7. ???
8. World Domination!

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:06:45am

re: #170 darthstar

And Putin will simply not back down. The damn fool will keep throwing his forces into the meatgrinder.

An interesting, if older, thread on why that’s really gonna fuck Russia longer-term:

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:10:40am

re: #172 Dr Lizardo

And Putin will simply not back down. The damn fool will keep throwing his forces into the meatgrinder.

An interesting, if older, thread on why that’s really gonna fuck Russia longer-term:

Putin has a tiger by the tail. The “special military operation” has been a complete fiasco; he can’t win this war. And yet on Russian TV the talking heads are demanding total victory; the very concept of “Ukraine” must be wiped from the face of the earth. Makes it hard for him to declare victory if he has to settle for the status quo.

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lawhawk  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:10:41am

re: #172 Dr Lizardo

Also worth noting that the per capita gdp for Russia is about $10k.

That’s a quarter of the gdp of Mississippi, which has the lowest gdp of any state in the US.

When your average wealth is a 1/4 of the poorest US state in the US, and most of the wealth is concentrated in a handful of oligarchs, all talk about who has power and control in a country that is already a fascist/authoritarian state is irrelevant.

The power is in the hands of the oligarchs and Putin, and Putin knows how to keep even those oligarchs in line: threatening and carrying out threats of imprisonment, confiscation of their property/wealth, and murder.

It’s what despots do.

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Dangerman  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:10:46am

re: #167 No Malarkey!

Haha, that is what you are supposed to think! Putin’s master plan:

1. Invade Ukraine
2. Western sanctions wreck economy
3. EU and NATO unite to support Ukraine
4. Ukraine mauls Russian army
5. Sweden and Finland apply for NATO membership while you issue impotent threats
6. Ukraine admitted into EU
7. ???
8. World Domination!

Like a cat running into a sliding glass door..
I meant to do that

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steve_davis  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:11:32am

re: #84 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Will need cataract surgery this year, so I’m watching vids by top doctors to see how scared I should be:

[Embedded content]

..

Not at all scared. Cataract surgery has been getting performed since the Egyptians were raising the Pyramids, pretty successfully no less.

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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:14:55am
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steve_davis  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:15:58am

re: #88 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I don’t want to watch, I’m already scared.

How scared should I be? I’m not sure I can do it. I don’t deal with pain well. Like at all well.

That’s me at the dentist: “the nerves in your jaws enter the back in a funny place that makes it hard to numb your teeth.” “Yeah, Doc, it’s funny all right. So is biting down on your fingers when you use the burr drill.”

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:16:50am

re: #173 No Malarkey!

And yet on Russian TV the talking heads are demanding total victory; the very concept of “Ukraine” must be wiped from the face of the earth. Makes it hard for him to declare victory if he has to settle for the status quo.

If Russia comes out of this with less than what they had going in to this, those Russian pundits are going to find themselves in quite the conundrum; their instinct will be to turn on Putin and call him out for launching their biggest military fiasco since the Russo-Japanese War of 1905, but on the other hand, they’ll be terrified of Kremlin retaliation.

That being said, they’re nothing if not uniquely creative in their bullshittery. I’m sure they’ll come up with something….palatable.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:18:42am

re: #177 Teukka

We’re still cool with Attila the Hun, right?

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:21:03am

re: #157 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

Good morning!

Western good morning!

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lawhawk  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:22:20am

re: #177 Teukka

The fines could be paid with toilet paper, which has more value than the ruble. /half

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Captain Magic  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:23:52am

re: #88 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I don’t want to watch, I’m already scared.

How scared should I be? I’m not sure I can do it. I don’t deal with pain well. Like at all well

I had cataract surgery a few years back - no pain at all. They’ll dope you up with Fentanyl and Versed and it’ll be all over in under 15 minutes.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:26:25am

The Kentucky General Assembly passed a bill inadvertently making teaching a criminal offense. Since the 2022 session ends this week, if they amend the bill to correct this error, Governor Beshear can veto it again, and its dead.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:31:53am

re: #42 ckkatz

Pulled this one out of my ass

Click to Reveal

Wordle 298 3/6

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:34:13am

re: #184 No Malarkey!

The Kentucky General Assembly passed a bill inadvertently making teaching a criminal offense. Since the 2022 session ends this week, if they amend the bill to correct this error, Governor Beshear can veto it again, and its dead.

“We have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it.”

/

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JC1  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:38:11am

re: #121 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

I literally just showed you an example of something that classical computers would take forever to calculate that you can just look at and instantly see it’s true. It cannot be done with math. Everything a computer does is math. Mathematical algorithms. Also, simulating is not the same as replicating.

The instruction set of of a Von Neumann architecture computer is based entirely on moving data from one location (from/to memory locations and registers in the CPU) and then performing arithmetic or mathematical logic functions/comparisons on that data.

Maybe there is quantum weirdness involved in consciousness. I’m not willing to go there, especially since “quantum woo-woo” is given way too much credit and new age assholes think latching the Q-word on to something is supposed to make everyone take their bullshit seriously.

But I will say again. You will never create a self-aware consciousness with a classical Von Neumann computers. You can make something that appears to be 99.9999% of the time, but “appears to be most of the time” is not the same as “actually is all the time.”

Let’s agree to disagree. I’m sorry, I can’t watch videos right now, so I’m not sure what your example was. The human brain is just a meat machine, and there’s no reason to think that the substrate matters. A fast enough computer with the right software will be able to simulate a human brain perfectly one day.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:39:34am

re: #187 JC1

Let’s agree to disagree. I’m sorry, I can’t watch videos right now, so I’m not sure what your example was. The human brain is just a meat machine, and there’s no reason to think that the substrate matters. A fast enough computer with the right software will be able to simulate a human brain perfectly one day.

The Homer 3010 Series is going to be awesome.

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JC1  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:41:38am

re: #135 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

Simulating intelligence and actually being intelligent, conscious, and self-aware are two different things that I don’t think people are “getting” here.

I’ve stated clearly that I don’t think Strong AI that is basically “alive” for lack of a better term is possible with algorithmic computer architectures. Being a good “simulation” of a human mind is not the same as being a good “replication” of the human mind.

The ability to pass a Turing test doesn’t imply consciousness.

It’s like I’m attacking people’s religions with this. Someday self aware computers or robots might be a thing, they just wont have “Intel Inside” or “Powered by AMD” stickers on them. I wouldn’t hold my breath or lose any sleep over something like Skynet happening.

I don’t mean to upset you. But IMHO, if it walks like a duck, etc. Why do you think that a perfect enough simulation wouldn’t be conscious?

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:45:41am

Russia has one threat against the West short of nuclear weapons. Apparently, Russia can shoot down our GPS satellites.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:49:49am

re: #190 No Malarkey!

Russia has one threat against the West short of nuclear weapons. Apparently, Russia can shoot down our GPS satellites.

Sure, Vlad. Go ahead and try it and see how far you get.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:51:54am

So far Russia has unleashed atrocity on Ukrainian soil and suffered domestic inconvenience in return. If they fuck with us, Bad Things are going to start happening deep in the motherland.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:52:20am

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

Sure, Vlad. Go ahead and try it and see how far you get.

They also have less drastic measures to jam GPS signals, according to the article, which is a useful threat to have in the event NATO considers direct intervention in Ukraine.

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lawhawk  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:52:40am
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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 13, 2022 • 6:53:14am

Wordle.

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Crush White Nationalism  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:00:12am

Gilbert Gottfried had ventricular tachycardia. Here’s what to know about the heart condition (USA Today)

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darthstar  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:00:46am

re: #194 lawhawk

So you can do press releases on Truth, but why would you? That’s a hell of a selling point.

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steve_davis  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:01:42am

Really interesting article in the Post today where they interview some Ukrainian pilots. Basically, they don’t want the Polish Mig’s because those are even older than what the Ukrainians are currently flying. What they need are F-16’s, but of course it isn’t just taking a month for their guys to learn how to fly them. It’s all the maintenance, all the support, that also has to learn how to work with an American jet. Just kind of goes to show that all the screeching about more fighter jets was correctly handled by the Biden administration. Of course, sadly, they can’t come out and say publicly that the Polish planes are basically crap and that the Ukrainian pilots don’t want them anyway.

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Dangerman  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:04:15am

re: #196 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Gilbert Gottfried had ventricular tachycardia. Here’s what to know about the heart condition (USA Today)

so it wasn’t a shark

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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:07:57am
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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:08:07am

Every year our DoD/Energy Dept budget is about 1/2 of Russia’s total GDP. People keep asking why. If Putin FAs, we might FO.

en.wikipedia.org

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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:09:26am

re: #198 steve_davis

It seems to me sending Ukraine any new type major weapon like a tank or fighter is a big clue this is probably not going to end anytime soon. All this takes time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:11:55am

uh, yeah…

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Captain Magic  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:13:50am

re: #199 Dangerman

re: #196 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Gilbert Gottfried had ventricular tachycardia. Here’s what to know about the heart condition (USA Today)

so it wasn’t a shark

Wikipedia originally listed his cause of death as being speared by a narwhal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:14:22am
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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:14:52am

re: #172 Dr Lizardo

And Putin will simply not back down. The damn fool will keep throwing his forces into the meatgrinder.

An interesting, if older, thread on why that’s really gonna fuck Russia longer-term:

I’m assuming that one of the reasons there are fewer births is the young have been fleeing when they can.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:16:20am

thread

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:16:22am

re: #88 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

As promised — the 2 words my cousin tried for yesterday’s wordle.

MnMvMTB0dDEzK1AxUmFUckRva2lqUT09OjpcFeivKujnGJ5t1yH5PTeN

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:19:13am

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

thread

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So much for conservatives fellating the military…

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Dangerman  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:19:43am

re: #204 Captain Magic

Wikipedia originally listed his cause of death as being speared by a narwhal.

yeah, that’s what i meant

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:21:20am
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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:25:12am

re: #121 Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion

I literally just showed you an example of something that classical computers would take forever to calculate that you can just look at and instantly see it’s true. It cannot be done with math. Everything a computer does is math. Mathematical algorithms. Also, simulating is not the same as replicating.

The instruction set of of a Von Neumann architecture computer is based entirely on moving data from one location (from/to memory locations and registers in the CPU) and then performing arithmetic or mathematical logic functions/comparisons on that data.

Maybe there is quantum weirdness involved in consciousness. I’m not willing to go there, especially since “quantum woo-woo” is given way too much credit and new age assholes think latching the Q-word on to something is supposed to make everyone take their bullshit seriously.

But I will say again. You will never create a self-aware consciousness with a classical Von Neumann computers. You can make something that appears to be 99.9999% of the time, but “appears to be most of the time” is not the same as “actually is all the time.”

I fail to understand why moving data from one location, processing it, and then putting it back is a limitation. That architecture is a possible bottleneck in performance, but the neural networks we have are literally data and the operations on them in one location. The underlying VN machine is executing it, for sure, but at it’s level, it is one system. And that’s really no different than taking into account that our brain is a series of interactions between atoms and molecules and our higher order functions being the combination of those interactions.

If you really want to see something similar, go look up the game of life computing the sum of two numbers.

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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:25:53am

Lest anyone thinks Le Pen *spits* isn’t in Putin & Co’s pocket:

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:26:25am

re: #190 No Malarkey!

Russia has one threat against the West short of nuclear weapons. Apparently, Russia can shoot down our GPS satellites.

Their system wouldn’t last very long either in that situation.

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steve_davis  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:26:28am

re: #206 Belafon

I’m assuming that one of the reasons there are fewer births is the young have been fleeing when they can.

also, alcohol poisoning, and demonstrations of driving “competence” displayed on Youtube.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:27:10am

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s a shame they missed the cherry blossoms, but they’ll get to Florida in time for the citrus.

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:27:43am

re: #193 No Malarkey!

They also have less drastic measures to jam GPS signals, according to the article, which is a useful threat to have in the event NATO considers direct intervention in Ukraine.

I’m not going to google it at work, but I would suspect the military has countermeasures for that.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:28:55am

re: #217 Belafon

I’m not going to google it at work, but I would suspect the military has countermeasures for that.

If you can google it, it’s 8-10 years out of date.

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:33:29am

re: #218 Decatur Deb

If you can google it, it’s 8-10 years out of date.

Like the maps Russia has been using to find targets.

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Dangerman  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:35:41am

re: #212 Belafon

I fail to understand why moving data from one location, processing it, and then putting it back is a limitation. That architecture is a possible bottleneck in performance, but the neural networks we have are literally data and the operations on them in one location. The underlying VN machine is executing it, for sure, but at it’s level, it is one system. And that’s really no different than taking into account that our brain is a series of interactions between atoms and molecules and our higher order functions being the combination of those interactions.

If you really want to see something similar, go look up the game of life computing the sum of two numbers.

you’ll all accept that none of this is ever gonna work when you see that hourglass pop up the first time anyone tries it

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:36:36am

re: #220 Dangerman

you’ll all accept that none of this is ever gonna work when you see that hourglass pop up the first time anyone tries it

Hey. I get that way, too.

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Jay C  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:37:39am

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

So Greg Abbott paid (presumably with State funds?) to bus a bunch of Venezuelan “illegals” (? Asylum-seekers?) to DC: where their main travel plans are to go to Florida to reunite with family?

This is stupid and wasteful even by Abbott’s low standards. If these people are “illegal” immigrants, shouldn’t they be turned away/detained/deported? And if not, why not just have them pay their own way to Florida?

And in any case, if these are Venezuelans, aren’t they likely to be fleeing from the hellish “socialism” GOPers are always kvetching about, and thus at least partly-sympathetic “victims”?

Idiot.

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:39:04am

Keep your chin up for this fall. Wisconsin Democrats won 147 of the 276 elections they competed in in Wisconsin in early march, including this:

and this:

dailykos.com

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:40:22am

re: #206 Belafon

I’m assuming that one of the reasons there are fewer births is the young have been fleeing when they can.

I know a few Russians here in my city; aside from a universal disdain for Putin and his governance, the other thing they agree on is that none of them have any intention of ever going back to Mother Russia. The common refrain is, “Why go back to a country with no future?”

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:40:41am

re: #221 Decatur Deb

Hey. I get that way, too.

“Hey, Belefon, what do you want for dinner?”

Pause…decision algorithm loading…

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sizzzzlerz  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:43:15am

re: #84 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Will need cataract surgery this year, so I’m watching vids by top doctors to see how scared I should be:

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Video

..

Two years ago, I had surgery on my right eye to repair a macular hole. This surgery typically results in the need to have cataract surgery 6 months to a year later. I had that as well. With the local anesthetic, I felt nothing during either procedure. YMMV but, with a competent surgeon and team, you’ll be fine.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:44:03am

Getting ready to head to the airport for take 2. Should be back in that hellhole called Iduhho around noon mdt.

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sagehen  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:44:27am

re: #225 Belafon

“He, Belefon, what do you want for dinner?”

Pause…decision algorithm loading…

Whatever you want to make, dear.
Leftovers? Do we have any leftovers from yesterday?
Do you want to go out? Or would you rather order in from that place you like best.

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darthstar  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:45:02am
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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:47:48am

re: #228 sagehen

Whatever you want to make, dear.
Leftovers? Do we have any leftovers from yesterday?
Do you want to go out? Or would you rather order in from that place you like best.

I can easily train a computer to regurgitate that.

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Jay C  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:49:54am

re: #230 Belafon

I can easily train a computer to regurgitate that.

But can it regurgitate the leftovers?

Or do we still need humans for that??.

😛

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:56:17am

re: #231 Jay C

But can it regurgitate the leftovers?

Or do we still need humans for that??.

😛

Youtube Video

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 7:59:35am

re: #231 Jay C

But can it regurgitate the leftovers?

Or do we still need humans for that??.

😛

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

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Larger

I was thinking about the sequence in Love, Death + Robots where the three robots are at the restaurant talking about how people used to have to put their food in a container of acid (our stomachs) in order to dissolve it to get the nutrients out.

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:04:16am

Heh:

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:04:51am
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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:07:33am
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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:08:20am

Youtube Video

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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:11:03am
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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:14:10am

re: #238 Teukka

Starting to groom the population for a wider conflict…

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:15:18am

re: #138 No Malarkey!

Congratulations, Vlad, You have pushed the famously neutral Sweden into the arms of NATO. Of course, this is all part of his master plan, since like Trump, he is playing eleventy dimensional chess.

Unfortunately, if Trump or any Trump-like Republican is elected president in 2024, they will withdraw from NATO and switch allegiances.

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:17:13am

re: #239 Teukka

Starting to groom the population for a wider conflict…

“Send your daughters to fight so that they, too, can fight for the honor of being Russian.”

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:17:40am

re: #239 Teukka

Starting to groom the population for a wider conflict…

They should give it a catchy name…something like “The Lost Cause”.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:24:27am

re: #237 Teukka

Beau is right; the Russians are going to be paying for Putin’s folly for a couple of generations. All for his twisted nostalgia-tinted dreams of imperial glory.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:25:26am

re: #238 Teukka

The Russian leadership really does seem to view this as an existential fight to the death with the West. For them, this is “to be or not to be”.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:25:51am

re: #206 Belafon

I’m assuming that one of the reasons there are fewer births is the young have been fleeing when they can.

In almost the entire first world (including the US), the birth rate is lower than the replacement rate required for maintaining the current population. Russia’s birth rate is higher than Austria, Finland, Japan, Canada, Italy, etc.

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:29:28am
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John Hughes  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:30:24am

re: #169 Belafon

I also see von Neumann architecture get picked on,

we don’t actually use Von Neumann architectures for everything either, especially not simulating neural nets. Not that that matters, all computer architectures (outside of quantum stuff) are Turing equivalent.

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cat-tikvah  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:31:07am

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

слава героям! Glory to the heroes!

“One who saves a single life saves the world entire.”

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:32:15am
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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:33:53am

re: #244 Dr Lizardo

The Russian leadership really does seem to view this as an existential fight to the death with the West. For them, this is “to be or not to be”.

Why do I see someone somewhere pushing the plunger down on a detonator while muttering “Then don’t be…”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:34:13am

re: #245 Hecuba’s daughter

In almost the entire first world (including the US), the birth rate is lower than the replacement rate required for maintaining the current population.

But since the planet is overpopulated as is…is this really a problem?

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:34:17am

In some cases, I’m not imaginative enough to do the things that other people do to make money. In some cases, I’m not evil enough. In other cases, I have too much self-respect:

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:35:38am

And under the bus goes one Viktor Medvedchuk….

More now on the pro-Russian politician Viktor Medvedchuk, who has been arrested by the Ukrainian authorities.

The 67-year-old is seen as President Vladimir Putin’s closest ally in Ukraine.

A short time ago, Russia commented on the arrest - insisting Mr Medvedchuk had no back channel of communication to the Kremlin.

Asked about a Ukrainian proposal to swap Mr Medvedchuk for detained Ukrainians in Russia, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the wealthy businessman was a Ukrainian citizen and a foreign politician.

The comments indicate the Russian leadership is distancing itself from Mr Medvedchuk.

bbc.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:35:44am

re: #252 Belafon

The money I could make if I had no ethics or morals…

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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:36:20am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:41:39am

re: #255 Teukka

I watched 20 minutes of one of his videos; they’re easy enough to find on YouTube, and he’s posted a ton of ‘em. It was like some weird hybrid of Uncle Ruckus, David Duke and Louis Farrakhan. He’d just ramble on, with little - if any - thematic coherence. 20 minutes was about all I could stand.

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:42:30am

re: #224 Dr Lizardo

I know a few Russians here in my city; aside from a universal disdain for Putin and his governance, the other thing they agree on is that none of them have any intention of ever going back to Mother Russia. The common refrain is, “Why go back to a country with no future?”

Lynn is a city next door to me. Amongst their urban blocks are many immigration lawyers. Quite a few of these have doors, windows and signs in Cyrillic.

I am INORDINATELY proud of this as an American.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:44:40am

If Putin’s plan was to disguise the total collapse of the Russian economy due to Covid and mismanagement, then blaming it on Western sanctions to save his bacon is actually a smart move.

Just taking Donetsk and Luhansk would not have brought about swift and strict enough sanctions to do the trick.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:46:51am

re: #251 Eclectic Cyborg

But since the planet is overpopulated as is…is this really a problem?

Definitely true. We need an economic system that doesn’t rely on a steady growth of population or purchases.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:49:25am

re: #258 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If Putin’s plan was to disguise the total collapse of the Russian economy due to Covid and mismanagement, then blaming it on Western sanctions to save his bacon is actually a smart move.

Just taking Donetsk and Luhansk would not have brought about swift and strict enough sanctions to do the trick.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin’s endgame is to retreat into some kind of North Korean-style isolationism. Basically, seal the borders, don’t let anyone in or out, total control of information and endless brainwashing propaganda.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 13, 2022 • 8:51:29am

re: #260 Dr Lizardo

I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin’s endgame is to retreat into some kind of North Korean-style isolationism. Basically, seal the borders, don’t let anyone in or out, total control of information and endless brainwashing propaganda.

Not really feasible. They need the outside world to purchase their fossil fuel. North Korea can live (or die?) in isolation; that is not an option for Russia.

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John Hughes  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:01:44am

re: #251 Eclectic Cyborg

But since the planet is overpopulated as is…is this really a problem?

And the planet is overpopulated with first world people.

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sagehen  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:02:28am

re: #245 Hecuba’s daughter

In almost the entire first world (including the US), the birth rate is lower than the replacement rate required for maintaining the current population. Russia’s birth rate is higher than Austria, Finland, Japan, Canada, Italy, etc.

Which isn’t really a problem for countries that welcome immigration.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:09:58am

re: #213 Teukka

It’s scary that she could win. She’s as loony and dangerous as UKIP and thankfully, they have never come close to winning a national election,

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John Hughes  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:12:31am

re: #263 sagehen

Which isn’t really a problem for countries that welcome immigration.

Sort of fucked up problem here.

The world doesn’t really have too many people. It has to many people living the inordinately expensive first world lifestyle.

It doesn’t make much difference whether the populations of Europe and America maintain themselves with indigenous birth rates, or by immigration.

Obviously the life of people outside the 1st world must be improved, but we can’t afford to do it with the same level of resource usage.

Also, obviously, the existing 1st world people are going to have to deal with a less resource intensive lifestyle.

Written from the side of my swimming pool in Abidjan, Cote d’Ivoire.

Best replace everyone with simulated brains running on silicon, because everyone knows giant server farms have no effect on the environment.

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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:17:05am
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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:17:30am
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retired cynic  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:20:03am

re: #58 ckkatz

Thank you!!

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:23:52am

re: #266 Teukka

I see some targets the Ukrainian military needs to destroy.

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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:26:33am
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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:33:24am

re: #204 Captain Magic

Wikipedia originally listed his cause of death as being speared by a narwhal.

Before that it was eaten by an alligator.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:34:20am

This is really cool: Persepolis re-imagined.

persepolis.getty.edu

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:36:15am
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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:44:03am

re: #245 Hecuba’s daughter

In almost the entire first world (including the US), the birth rate is lower than the replacement rate required for maintaining the current population. Russia’s birth rate is higher than Austria, Finland, Japan, Canada, Italy, etc.

But they can make up for it with immigration. In Russia people are leaving as fast or faster then people are arriving.

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retired cynic  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:44:27am

re: #88 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I don’t want to watch, I’m already scared.

How scared should I be? I’m not sure I can do it. I don’t deal with pain well. Like at all well.

No pain at all. The exams are worse than the surgery.

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:46:38am

re: #251 Eclectic Cyborg

But since the planet is overpopulated as is…is this really a problem?

It is if your country has a shrinking work force trying to support a growing elderly population.

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Crush White Nationalism  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:48:52am
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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:51:01am

re: #264 Patricia Kayden

It’s scary that she could win. She’s as loony and dangerous as UKIP and thankfully, they have never come close to winning a national election,

I would say that in all likelihood the electorate will coalesce around Macron even if they don’t love him to keep out Le Pen, but then I remember we elected Trump when I didn’t think it was possible. At least in France they don’t have a convoluted system that allows the candidate with fewer popular votes to win.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:55:05am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

All this Partygate scandal has proven is that BoJo has no sense of shame or self-awareness that he can possibly do anything wrong because rules do not apply to him.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 9:59:12am

re: #278 No Malarkey!

Trump only won because of the Electoral College system. France simply doesn’t have that. There’s a possibility that LePen could win, but so far, she’s struck out in her bids for the Presidency; she’s basically a perennial candidate. And if she loses this time, she’ll probably try again in 2027. To be honest, this is likely her best shot at victory and if she fails this time, then who knows, maybe she’ll reconsider whether or not to even stay in French politics.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:00:16am

re: #255 Teukka

…Doocy: The suspected shooter was talking about the homeless problem on the subway, he said there’s no place to sit…

FFS. There never were enough places to sit on the subway. It’s designed to move standees rapidly to their jobs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:02:44am

re: #281 Decatur Deb

FFS. There never were enough places to sit on the subway. It’s designed to move standees rapidly to their jobs.

I used to stand at the Moscow subway and simply wait until a train showed up that had some free seats in it. Fortunately, they ran every 2-3 minutes at peak times.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:04:09am
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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:05:19am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want to see them apply Texas-style voter fraud rules to him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:07:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:10:35am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:10:52am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

He was also a police officer. His little insurrection cost him both his military and his law enforcement career.

If he plays his cards right, he has a brilliant future ahead of him as a political pundit/speaker/grifter….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:11:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:12:57am
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Eventual Carrion  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:12:59am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Did they check this chart”. Hell no. Who wants to handle it knowing where it came from. Those smudges are not ink.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:14:13am

re: #277 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I keep seeing those fucking stickers all over around here (the joys of living in a red state).

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:14:36am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

Boy, do I ever feel owned by Abbott!

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Teukka  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:16:47am

Umm… WTF?

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:17:39am

FFS, this would be some real Battle of Stalingrad shit - except the Russians don’t have the manpower to sustain this course of action long-term.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:17:51am

HRC offered a silly “Reset Button” prop to Putin. Biden needs a huge “Sanctions Screw” prop that he can turn every noon, while announcing the day’s new penalty.

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Crush White Nationalism  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:27:39am

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

I keep seeing those fucking stickers all over around here (the joys of living in a red state).

I haven’t bought gas in about a year, so I have no idea if they’re up here or not.

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sagehen  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:28:08am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

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what about his pension? does he lose his pension?

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William Lewis  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:30:48am

re: #297 sagehen

what about his pension? does he lose his pension?

Not enough years in to qualify. Oops.

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John Hughes  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:31:45am

Well, Redeye9 (JSTARS) seems* to have gone to bed. MMF19 is still flying it’s race track near Lublin refueling something or other.

(* Obviously NATO are not showing us *all* the stuff in the air…)

(Stuck waiting for daughter to finish her boring detour around Mali because the idiot putchists decided Wagner was a better bet than France. )

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:38:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:39:36am
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John Hughes  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:41:59am

re: #299 John Hughes

Flightradar24’s algorithm knows nothing of politics, so when it doesn’t have a fix on a plane (like when it’s somewhere over the sahara) it naively assumes it is taking a direct route, only to be forced to modify that when it realises that Paris-Monrovia (for example) is for no obvious reason flying over Senegal.

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John Hughes  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:46:50am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth
Joined up thinking:

During the interview, Dobbs questioned why people should join the U.S. military if they will be enlisted as “boots on the ground” to fight wars abroad,

…

Dobbs also suggested people will be turned off from enlisting in the wake of Biden’s withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan last August.

The whiplash, it hurts.

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:47:51am

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe we could all donate to a fund to help the less white acquire some in the state. /half

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A Cranky One  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:48:48am

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No Malarkey!  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:53:01am

re: #294 Dr Lizardo

FFS, this would be some real Battle of Stalingrad shit - except the Russians don’t have the manpower to sustain this course of action long-term.

Its insanity, indiscriminate killing and destruction, serving no purpose except to allow Putin to pretend he’s making progress.

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lawhawk  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:53:55am

re: #281 Decatur Deb

FFS. There never were enough places to sit on the subway. It’s designed to move standees rapidly to their jobs.

Depending on the train line and where you were on the run, you’d be SRO because all seats were taken (anywhere in Manhattan from Battery up to 96th street was likely to be a full car and standing room, especially during rush hour. Elsewhere, you were more likely to have a seat.

Stations themselves have had benches removed or otherwise made inhospitable to sitting for long precisely to deter homeless people from lying/sleeping on them. MTA seating architecture is designed to be hostile to people sitting.

It’s why the new Moynihan Station at Penn Station has no seating on the main level - to deter homeless people from congregating. It means everyone else has to sit on the floor while they wait for their trains.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:55:21am

re: #306 No Malarkey!

Its insanity, indiscriminate killing and destruction, serving no purpose except to allow Putin to pretend he’s making progress.

THIS.

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William Lewis  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:55:28am

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Crush White Nationalism  Apr 13, 2022 • 10:59:05am

Amazon’s IMDB Freedive which was renamed to IMDB TV has been renamed into Freevee.
Earlier they talked about renaming it to “Zon.”

These are not creative people.
miamiherald.com

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Apr 13, 2022 • 11:01:13am
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ckkatz  Apr 13, 2022 • 11:06:37am

re: #237 Teukka

Thanks for posting this!

Now you have me thinking. (Hmm….)

A couple of thoughts. (I listened to the video quickly and need to go back and listen to it again. But I do not want to be CL’ed.)

1. Masha Gesson recently mentioned that she thought Russia wouyld break apart into small countries centered around regions.

2. Yes, Putin and his oligarchs have been very bad for Russia. They have stolen all the resources and left nothing for the rest of the population. Facing no future, why plan for it in Russia. Fewer kids born, decreasing life span, etc.

3. The opportunity to abuse others because of the pain one is feeling turns out to not be much of analgesic after all.

4. Here is an interesting chart on Russian demographics. Generations later, Russia is still paying for Stalin in so many ways. And now Putin is adding his imprint to the decline:

researchgate.net

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b.d  Apr 13, 2022 • 11:06:58am

They got him

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sizzzzlerz  Apr 13, 2022 • 11:07:51am

re: #234 Belafon

Heh:

Was that before or after the “Mission Accomplished” sign went up on the Abraham Lincoln?

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ckkatz  Apr 13, 2022 • 11:12:34am

re: #190 No Malarkey!

Russia has one threat against the West short of nuclear weapons. Apparently, Russia can shoot down our GPS satellites.

Yup, Rachel Maddow discussed this on Monday. She also noted that the Russians have been jamming not only in Ukraine, but also in parts of Finland.

The article also notes that Russia attacking US GPS capabilities constitutes a grave threat to US National Security.

As noted by others, the US is not without resources as well. And is not obligated to only respond in kind.

And, as noted by other posters, this would be very detrimental to any “long-term plans” that Putin might harbor.

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coin operated  Apr 13, 2022 • 11:18:24am

re: #309 William Lewis

As read elsewhere…as long as LEOs can shoot you for merely possessing a weapon, you really don’t have a 2nd Amendment right, do you?

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ckkatz  Apr 13, 2022 • 11:19:41am

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks for posting the info on the article.

Yes, that article bugged me too.

Being a Virginia resident, I was curious who the idiot was. Fortunately he is not local to me. Unfortunately, I think that TargetPractice is closer to his neighborhood.

In an 8 para article about him, the miscreant wasn’t named until para #3. And most of the article was boilerplate on DoD policies.

And, sadly, removing one of these turkeys from office is not much of a win as there seems to be an abundant supply of them down here.

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2022 • 11:25:13am

re: #317 ckkatz

Thanks for posting the info on the article.

Yes, that article bugged me too.

Being a Virginia resident, I was curious who the idiot was. Fortunately he is not local to me. Unfortunately, I think that TargetPractice is closer to his neighborhood.

In an 8 para article about him, the miscreant wasn’t named until para #3. And most of the article was boilerplate on DoD policies.

And, sadly, removing one of these turkeys from office is not much of a win as there seems to be an abundant supply of them down here.

There are a finite number of them. Think of it like Ukraine taking out one tank.

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ckkatz  Apr 13, 2022 • 11:29:02am

re: #318 Belafon

There are a finite number of them. Think of it like Ukraine taking out one tank.

I have to give you credit for having far more patience than I. You must have kids. :)

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 13, 2022 • 11:44:08am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, I am surprised that he did not do more of that in Ukraine, I had expected the Russian Fifth Column to have moved against Ukrainian communications, command and transport as well as the power grid in advance of the invasion.

Ironically, Soviet Russia taught Ukraine how to be, and how to deal with Fifth Columnists during the German occupation of Ukraine after 1941.

Many Ukrainians welcomed the Germans (Nazi) armed forces as liberators from Russian occupation, and payback for the Holodomor.

And the Russians were having none of that.

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A Mom Anon  Apr 13, 2022 • 3:12:25pm

re: #277 Punish Domestic Terrorists

The day he died, Monday, my husband put gas in his car. That sticker was on the gas pump. He managed to remove it while the tank was filling. Sigh….


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