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Sherlock Hound  May 25, 2022 • 6:34:34pm

CL’d. Music Twitter “cums”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 25, 2022 • 6:35:28pm

A poem I wrote a few hours ago:

19 BULLETS

Nineteen bullets, that’s what it took.
A man possessed.
A deadly look.

Filled with anger, his mind devoted
Fury raging.
Weapons loaded.

Down the hallway, through the door
No place to hide
Here anymore.

There’s screams and shouts. A thousand tears.
Confusion. Chaos.
Panic. Fear.

Children weep, the cries are haunting.
The killer hovers,
Waiting, wanting.

Uncertain minutes, turn to hours.
It needs to stop
But who has the power?

Finally, madness ends its reign.
Replaced by grief
And constant pain.

A somber outcome, scattered traces.
A wall of smiling
Little faces.

A jarring loss of hope to muster
As talking heads
on TV bluster.

What happens next? Where do we start?
How do you heal
All these broken hearts?

Wading through unanswered questions.
Truth is hidden
By flawed suggestions.

What do you say
When on the phone
To a mother in an empty home?

You can’t believe it, you wonder “How?”
And hope
That God is there somehow.

These tragic hours.
A city shook.
Nineteen bullets was what it took.

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Captain Ron  May 25, 2022 • 6:39:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2022 • 6:42:04pm

this was first posted after the mass shootings in El Paso (20 dead) and Dayton (9 dead) on August 4, 2019

dog_feelings retweeted it again today

niterz, lizardz…

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Belafon  May 25, 2022 • 6:43:39pm

re: #1 Sherlock Hound

What i saw:

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Sherlock Hound  May 25, 2022 • 6:45:13pm

re: #5 Belafon

The whole thread was like that. Hilarious.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 25, 2022 • 6:45:14pm

Arrrgh!!! Covid front…

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Belafon  May 25, 2022 • 6:47:00pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

this was first posted after the mass shootings in El Paso (20 dead) and Dayton (9 dead) on August 4, 2019

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dog_feelings retweeted it again today

niterz, lizardz…

Someone I know was putting up that all we need is love and Jesus and stop blaming the guns because none of them have walked downstairs and killed her.

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Barefoot Grin  May 25, 2022 • 6:49:53pm

I loosely follow Marcy at emptywheel (loosely because her posting is so detailed that it often escapes me and so I just skim) but I’m getting the idea that the Durham investigation isn’t entirely on the up and up.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 6:50:32pm

re: #7 Hecuba’s daughter

I am continually hoping that folks I hang out with will feel comfortable sharing with me _before_ they ‘share’ with me. (That their significant other is feeling under the weather, before the covid infection that they find out that they have is passed on.)

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 6:52:16pm
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The Pie Overlord!  May 25, 2022 • 6:52:18pm

When I was a kid we had air raid drills. FUCKIN AIR RAIDS!! We all marched down to the basement, sat down with knees up and covered our heads with our arms.

When my kids were kids they had tornado drills. Same thing but without the “duck & cover.”

Now my grandkids have active shooter drills.

I should mention that at my penultimate job we also had “active shooter” drills during which I crawled underneath my work space (my co-workers were too big to do that) and I pulled an overturned equipment cart in front of me. I also had a 3” pocket knife that the previous occupant had left in the cubicle. My plan was to stab the shooter in the Achilles tendon.

At my last job we didn’t have “active shooter” drills because it was “open office” plan so we were all sitting ducks anyway.

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Belafon  May 25, 2022 • 6:53:52pm

re: #7 Hecuba’s daughter

Arrrgh!!! Covid front…

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The virus only has to win once. You have to beat it all the time.

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EPR-radar  May 25, 2022 • 6:56:03pm

re: #9 Barefoot Grin

I loosely follow Marcy at emptywheel (loosely because her posting is so detailed that it often escapes me and so I just skim) but I’m getting the idea that the Durham investigation isn’t entirely on the up and up.

Durham (R) is all that is needed to dismiss it as a farce.

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Barefoot Grin  May 25, 2022 • 6:57:12pm

re: #14 EPR-radar

Durham (R) is all that is needed to dismiss it as a farce.

and set up by Billy Barr.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 6:58:09pm

re: #9 Barefoot Grin

I loosely follow Marcy at emptywheel (loosely because her posting is so detailed that it often escapes me and so I just skim) but I’m getting the idea that the Durham investigation isn’t entirely on the up and up.

Yes, she certainly has been beating the drum on that issue. Something that I have not seen in the rest of the media.

She has also been pointing out the ways that Durham’s litigator has been ignoring the Judge’s rulings and bringing in data that had been ruled out of bounds.

In a normal legal environment, I would have assumed that any trail errors or misbehavior would be caught on appeal.

In these current days of legal Calvinball, I have no idea what is going to happen.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 7:09:18pm

Iirc, a couple of threads ago, one of our esteemed lizard colleagues posted that Orban of Hungary was declaring a State of Emergency. I am sure that it is only a coincidence that the new State of Emergency occurred less than a week before the old one expires.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 25, 2022 • 7:09:30pm
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Barefoot Grin  May 25, 2022 • 7:09:53pm

re: #16 ckkatz

Yes, she certainly has been beating the drum on that issue. Something that I have not seen in the rest of the media.

She has also been pointing out the ways that Durham’s litigator has been ignoring the Judge’s rulings and bringing in data that had been ruled out of bounds.

In a normal legal environment, I would have assumed that any trail errors or misbehavior would be caught on appeal.

In these current days of legal Calvinball, I have no idea what is going to happen.

Yes, this-without benefit of a convincing explanation—is so frustrating. Certainly this will lead to appeal, but from all I’ve read it should never get to that stage. And that stock photo of Durham triggers me much as the Bolton photos do. He’s definitely sucking soup out of that mustache with his lower lip.

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gocart mozart  May 25, 2022 • 7:12:26pm
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BlueSpotinAL  May 25, 2022 • 7:13:18pm

re: #7 Hecuba’s daughter

Arrrgh!!! Covid front…

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Crush White Nationalism  May 25, 2022 • 7:13:28pm
“Sadly I do believe this is far from over. This in no way equals justice for his victims and the innocence that was stolen from them, but it is necessary for Josh to finally pay for the sinful crimes he has committed.”

Alongside her post, Amy shared a video of herself reading the letter aloud, in which she slammed her aunt Michelle Duggar and Josh’s wife, Anna Duggar, for pleading that the judge give him a lighter sentence. “I am not interested in providing false character references for Josh, as other members of my family have so recklessly done,” she read, describing him as a “monster” that she believes “will offend again.”

Amy Duggar Was ‘Hopeful’ That Cousin Josh Duggar Would Get Maximum Prison Sentence Ahead of Hearing: ‘This Is Far From Over’ (Us)

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EPR-radar  May 25, 2022 • 7:14:59pm

re: #19 Barefoot Grin

Enough of this shit. The GOP should be barred from bringing suit in court or initiating investigations because it is a chronically vexatious and frivolous litigant.

The only exception should be if they get a 90% or higher blessing from a legal review office with 10 professionals in it, none of whom can be Federalist society hacks, and that includes at least 3 Democrats and 3 progressives.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 7:15:34pm

re: #19 Barefoot Grin

Yes, this-without benefit of a convincing explanation—is so frustrating. Certainly this will lead to appeal, but from all I’ve read it should never get to that stage. And that stock photo of Durham triggers me much as the Bolton photos do. He’s definitely sucking soup out of that mustache with his lower lip.

I also detest that photo of Durham. Not sure how much is because of the photo versus how much because I detest Durham.

I assume that he was appointed for intimidation rather than criminal investigation. I guess that he is trying to continue his mission as long as possible.

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Barefoot Grin  May 25, 2022 • 7:17:41pm

re: #24 ckkatz

I also detest that photo of Durham. Not sure how much is because of the photo versus how much because I detest Durham.

I assume that he was appointed for intimidation rather than criminal investigation. I guess that he is trying to continue his mission as long as possible.

Yes, he is one of those “respectable” establishment lawyers; like Barr, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Thomas…..

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Barefoot Grin  May 25, 2022 • 7:17:58pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  May 25, 2022 • 7:33:56pm

Reactionaries are more scared of noncompliant kids than dead ones.

A shooter ultimately fits into their framework of aggrieved, transactional manliness—I get to do this because I was not granted the deference I was taught to expect, because I’m allowed to uncork my anger on people—more than a kid that asks “why?”

In fact…dead kids are pretty useful because they can’t speak up or define themselves. They perfectly moldable into whatever reactionaries need.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 7:37:43pm

Hmm, I hadn’t heard much about the St Petersburg Troll Farm since the Mueller investigation. But apparently, they have continued to be busy:

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Amory Blaine  May 25, 2022 • 7:38:21pm

The individual right to own a gun is yet another delusion that the dumbed down american public suck up with a straw. So delusional in fact, they are itching to kill anyone that stands in their way.

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EPR-radar  May 25, 2022 • 7:39:58pm

re: #29 Amory Blaine

The individual right to own a gun is yet another delusion that the dumbed down american public suck up with a straw. So delusional in fact, they are itching to kill anyone that stands in their way.

That Big Lie has the backing of a cadre of Federalist Society and Heritage foundation legal cranks. With that kind of “expert” support, of course the rank and file on the right will accept it.

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Amory Blaine  May 25, 2022 • 7:41:12pm
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Crush White Nationalism  May 25, 2022 • 7:44:09pm

re: #31 Amory Blaine

Big cowards, all.

Shooter Was Inside School for About an Hour as Police Waited Outside, Per NY Times

With a response that terrible, I’d expect more dead kids and teachers.
Had the survivors fled the building earlier?

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Patricia Kayden  May 25, 2022 • 7:48:14pm

re: #22 Crush White Nationalism

Good for her. He is a monster and deserves the maximum jail time. It’s outrageous to plead otherwise.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 7:48:34pm
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Barefoot Grin  May 25, 2022 • 7:50:32pm

re: #32 Crush White Nationalism

With a response that terrible, I’d expect more dead kids and teachers.
Had the survivors fled the building earlier?

That sound like he was either taking his time killing or killed quickly and then waited. It’s chilling to think it might be the former, especially.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 25, 2022 • 7:51:38pm

re: #34 ckkatz

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sagehen  May 25, 2022 • 7:53:28pm

re: #32 Crush White Nationalism

With a response that terrible, I’d expect more dead kids and teachers.
Had the survivors fled the building earlier?

He’d barricaded himself in a room; everyone he killed was in that room.

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Captain Ron  May 25, 2022 • 7:58:35pm
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Hecuba's daughter  May 25, 2022 • 8:07:06pm

re: #9 Barefoot Grin

I loosely follow Marcy at emptywheel (loosely because her posting is so detailed that it often escapes me and so I just skim) but I’m getting the idea that the Durham investigation isn’t entirely on the up and up.

Anyone appointed under the Trump administration should automatically be considered suspect and a liar. ETTD

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 8:14:25pm

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Crush White Nationalism  May 25, 2022 • 8:16:49pm
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jaunte  May 25, 2022 • 8:18:45pm
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Belafon  May 25, 2022 • 8:19:23pm

The Dallas Morning News had just the word “AGAIN” as their headline.

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Citizen K  May 25, 2022 • 8:20:58pm

Jesus fucking christ I give up.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 8:22:08pm
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jaunte  May 25, 2022 • 8:22:52pm
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EPR-radar  May 25, 2022 • 8:23:36pm

re: #44 Citizen K

This Grofield turd isn’t worth getting upset over. There’s a good chance anyone online that’s this willfully stupid is a right wing liar trying to spread despair.

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jaunte  May 25, 2022 • 8:24:44pm

re: #44 Citizen K

Block the Eeyore and move on.

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Citizen K  May 25, 2022 • 8:28:01pm

re: #47 EPR-radar

This Grofield turd isn’t worth getting upset over. There’s a good chance anyone online that’s this willfully stupid is a right wing liar trying to spread despair.

re: #48 jaunte

Block the Eeyore and move on.

I’m just about to take a long hiatus from Twitter to begin with because my feed has been full of this shit lately. I’ve unfollowed god knows how many folks lately who have shown their ass on this lately and it’s just gotten so much worse the last 36 hours or so.

EDIT: Jesus, I’m tilted enough I didn’t even realize I used ‘lately’ 3 consecutive times in only two sentences.

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Captain Ron  May 25, 2022 • 8:28:10pm

re: #46 jaunte

Fuck the kids, the cops want to go home at the end of the day.

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Belafon  May 25, 2022 • 8:30:21pm

re: #44 Citizen K

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jaunte  May 25, 2022 • 8:32:34pm

re: #51 Belafon

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jaunte  May 25, 2022 • 8:33:18pm
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jaunte  May 25, 2022 • 8:34:41pm
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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 8:37:09pm

re: #51 Belafon

You may have meant post:

re: #44 Citizen K

After post #44, I read through a bit of the poster’s timeline. It appears to me that the guy is being passive-aggressive, snarky, cynical, and nihilistic. None of those personality features appeal to me.

Since I read twitter for information rather than for entertainment, this guy would never be on my list of useful feeds. More power to those who find them anything beyond a waste of time…

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Belafon  May 25, 2022 • 8:38:50pm

re: #55 ckkatz

You are correct.

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Belafon  May 25, 2022 • 8:39:33pm

I fix-ed it.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 8:41:51pm

re: #57 Belafon

I fix-ed it.

Thanks!

And also thank you because you gave me the opportunity to slip in a comment about #44 too!

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retired cynic  May 25, 2022 • 8:46:00pm

re: #51 Belafon

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EPR-radar  May 25, 2022 • 8:49:15pm

re: #52 jaunte

This. Anyone who has the energy and disposition to deal with politics should get involved in primary season.

Voting D in every general election, all offices, all levels, is a necessary chore to try to keep Republican barbarians from ending civilization in this country.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 8:54:23pm

Dr Orr-Bueno on an Anti-Ukrainian disinformation campaign in the aftermath of the Buffalo mass shooting.

You may remember that after the Buffalo shooting, there were a bunch of neo-Nazi and pro-Russian trolls claiming the dis-information that the Ukrainian Azov Battalion used the sonnenrad, was connected to the Buffalo shooter, and that everybody should therefore support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

I believe that when the Ukrainian government reformed it’s military after the 2014 Invasion and absorbed the Azov Battalion into the Army, it purged as much as it could of Azov’s neo-Nazism. Including, as of 2015, the use of the sonnenrad as a unit symbol..

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jaunte  May 25, 2022 • 8:54:25pm

Some asshole nearby is out shooting off rounds in the pitch black 10:53 night.

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Belafon  May 25, 2022 • 8:55:11pm
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jaunte  May 25, 2022 • 9:04:12pm
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jaunte  May 25, 2022 • 9:05:02pm

Accurate portrait by New Yorker cover artist Barry Blitt.

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retired cynic  May 25, 2022 • 9:07:15pm

re: #65 jaunte

He did such a good job on the nasty mouth.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 9:15:45pm
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TedStriker  May 25, 2022 • 9:50:20pm

re: #67 ckkatz

Huh, imagine that…

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 9:53:51pm

You may remember that I posted this map a week and a half ago:

It is beginning to look like the Russians may have broken through where the innermost pincers are marked. The ones labelled “June 2022?”. (Centered around Lyman to the North and Popasna to the South.)

In terms of area, the pocket looks like maybe 20 miles by 20 miles.

The Ukrainian military had approximately 4 Brigades in that area. (~5000 soldiers. Maybe less.) However they had been taking hundreds of casualties over the past few weeks. And there is no word whether the Ukrainians will keep their troops in the ‘kessel’ or withdraw them while they still can. If they do attempt to withdraw, there are only a couple of good roads available. And those roads are likely to be under Russian artillery fire soon.

The pincers are to just to the West of where the Russians made several failed attempts to cross the Siversky-Donets Rivers. There are a number of towns along that part of the river and their situation is also not clear.

Russian casualties have also been high and while their performance has improved over the past month, it is still not that good.

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Belafon  May 25, 2022 • 10:03:57pm

re: #69 ckkatz

You may remember that I posted this map a week and a half ago:

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Markos has been talking about that area. He figured that area would probably be lost, but don’t fear it too much. Russia shouldn’t be having to work so hard to get those areas, and a mile a day means Ukrainian troops have a lot of time to train on western hardware.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 10:06:04pm

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\/ This was posted on lgf a while back by one of our distinguished lizards:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 25, 2022 • 10:08:53pm

re: #69 ckkatz

My assumption has been that the Russians, as bad as they are at this invasion thing, will just keep throwing bodies at Ukraine until Putin’s objectives are met.

How long can this go on?

For a while I suppose.

Many people keep claiming that Russia will run out of money, or out of this or that material… but so far Russia has not stopped.

Because Putin doesn’t care about how much this costs.

If Putin cared about body counts, etc., he would have done something by now to stop.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 10:24:56pm

re: #70 Belafon

Markos has been talking about that area. He figured that area would probably be lost, but don’t fear it too much. Russia shouldn’t be having to work so hard to get those areas, and a mile a day means Ukrainian troops have a lot of time to train on western hardware.

Yes, I agree.

That is definitely the hope. Reportedly, the Ukrainians have been able to build a sizeable reserve (up to 30 btgs) and are moving some of those to contain any part of any Russian breakthrough that is not screwed up by the Russians themselves.

Also reportedly, some of the assault troops that the Russians have been using are Press- Ganged Ukrainians from the puppet Donetsk Peoples Republic. And from what I have been hearing, dying for Putin is not high on their wishlist.

By the way, thanks for pointing out the Markos Moulitsas account! (I assume that you are referring to him. I didn’t see any other Markos.) I like his attitude and posts. Although he did need to fix his cover/hat for his son’s graduation.

A couple of good retweets stolen from his twitter feed:

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 10:37:08pm

re: #72 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

My assumption has been that the Russians, as bad as they are at this invasion thing, will just keep throwing bodies at Ukraine until Putin’s objectives are met.

How long can this go on?

For a while I suppose.

Many people keep claiming that Russia will run out of money, or out of this or that material… but so far Russia has not stopped.

Because Putin doesn’t care about how much this costs.

If Putin cared about body counts, etc., he would have done something by now to stop.

True, the Russia Army and the Russian National Leadership have not historically been concerned about body counts.

You raise an interesting question.

When is Russia going to run out of the ability to continue an attack. While it hasn’t happened yet, a lot of analysts have been predicting some time in the early fall.

This prediction is based upon a lot of questions and assumptions.

One big question is whether Putin officially calls up the reserves and the draftees. And how he uses them. If Putin doesn’t, then the Russian Army will grind to a halt at some point this year.

If Putin does call up the reserves and draftees and lets them get trained and organized into units which would then need to train, the process will be many months. If the masses of unorganized and untrained luckless are just thrown into combat… Well, the survivors will be adequate soldiers. However few that might be.

Meanwhile, the Russian Army is trying to get volunteers at up to age 40. And bringing out tanks from the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. And bringing back a retired general to pilot a plane. One analyst noted that this is not… ‘optimal’.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 25, 2022 • 10:41:45pm

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 25, 2022 • 10:46:07pm

re: #74 ckkatz

Well, the Hundred Years’ war lasted (checks Wikipedia) 116 years.

There is plenty of precedence for a conflict lasting decades.

How long were we in Afghanistan?

Anyway, the invasion of Ukraine is already off the front page in America, replaced by the weekly atrocities in this own problematic society.

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piratedan  May 25, 2022 • 10:46:55pm

re: #74 ckkatz

and the longer this goes on, the more training the UA troops get on NATO equipment, which appears to be a force multiplier in comparison to existing Russian equipment.

It will be a long slog, full of tragedy as they continue to uncover atrocities, but Ukraine have been promised assistance from the West, I don’t see the Chinese or much of anyone else stepping up to take the place of businesses that are fleeing Russia. Nor will you see much from Russian media about what is going on inside, as they’re all mouthpieces for the current government.

I wonder which may come first, the collapse of the government and a coup or the Ukrainians defeat of Russia and removal of all forces within their borders. This will still take time, and I believe its on the side of the Ukrainians.

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JC1  May 25, 2022 • 10:48:16pm

re: #74 ckkatz

True, the Russia Army and the Russian National Leadership have not historically been concerned about body counts.

You raise an interesting question.

When is Russia going to run out of the ability to continue an attack. While it hasn’t happened yet, a lot of analysts have been predicting some time in the early fall.

This prediction is based upon a lot of questions and assumptions.

One big question is whether Putin officially calls up the reserves and the draftees. And how he uses them. If Putin doesn’t, then the Russian Army will grind to a halt at some point this year.

If Putin does call up the reserves and draftees and lets them get trained and organized into units which would then need to train, the process will be many months. If the masses of unorganized and untrained luckless are just thrown into combat… Well, the survivors will be adequate soldiers. However few that might be.

Meanwhile, the Russian Army is trying to get volunteers at up to age 40. And bringing out tanks from the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. And bringing back a retired general to pilot a plane. One analyst noted that this is not… ‘optimal’.

They’re also apparently desperate enough to start shipping in t62 tanks into Ukraine. Putin was 9 years old when those things were introduced. So I think that they’ll run out of usable equipment before they run out of bodies. The sanctions seem to be doing a good job of crippling their weapons manufacturing capabilities.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 25, 2022 • 10:48:16pm

re: #74 ckkatz

True, the Russia Army and the Russian National Leadership have not historically been concerned about body counts.

You raise an interesting question.

When is Russia going to run out of the ability to continue an attack. While it hasn’t happened yet, a lot of analysts have been predicting some time in the early fall.

This prediction is based upon a lot of questions and assumptions.

One big question is whether Putin officially calls up the reserves and the draftees. And how he uses them. If Putin doesn’t, then the Russian Army will grind to a halt at some point this year.

If Putin does call up the reserves and draftees and lets them get trained and organized into units which would then need to train, the process will be many months. If the masses of unorganized and untrained luckless are just thrown into combat… Well, the survivors will be adequate soldiers. However few that might be.

Meanwhile, the Russian Army is trying to get volunteers at up to age 40. And bringing out tanks from the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. And bringing back a retired general to pilot a plane. One analyst noted that this is not… ‘optimal’.

But the Russians have been willing to suffer casualties that would lead other nations to rethink their objectives. It would seem that only the demise of Putin (however it came about) would lead to a Russian government that may stop this bloodbath. I fear for the ultimate outcome and the toll is taking on the people of Ukraine.

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nines09  May 25, 2022 • 11:04:33pm

I normally do not read Facebook because I do and then think less of the people who post. So this woman I know, who was married to a chemist who was a huge alcoholic that died posted; Why don’t all guns come mandatory with trigger locks? We could do that! It’s a start!
And one of her houseplants (friend) answered; Yeah he was living with his grandma! She would have made him!

Bold moves.
Whose going to tell them?

Why am I totally disgusted? Gee.

Christ I hate these parasites.

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ckkatz  May 25, 2022 • 11:04:49pm

re: #79 Hecuba’s daughter

But the Russians have been willing to suffer casualties that would lead other nations to rethink their objectives. It would seem that only the demise of Putin (however it came about) would lead to a Russian government that may stop this bloodbath. I fear for the ultimate outcome and the toll is taking on the people of Ukraine.

Yes, it appears that one of Putin’s goals is to continually traumatize the population of Ukraine. The goal is presumably to cause much of the population to simple give up and emigrate and the rest to simply surrender to the Russians.

That is why a lot of the experts are saying that Russia has to be defeated to the point that they cannot attempt another attack against Ukraine. Not easily done to a country with a large nuclear force.

Masha Gessen appears to think that the only way to stop Russia will be to force another national collapse and disintegration upon it.

I’m glad that we survived the original collapse of the Soviet Union. I do not know what a second collapse would involve. Both in terms of how we could get there without global war. Nor what the resulting global order would be. And how it would affect our own internal political and social order.

I think that is why the leadership in Germany, France, and people like Kissinger are so unenthusiastic about such an end result. As they say, interesting times.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 25, 2022 • 11:18:35pm

re: #81 ckkatz

I think that is why the leadership in Germany, France, and people like Kissinger are so unenthusiastic about such an end result. As they say, interesting times.

And the Chinese too.

Sure, it’s easy to ascribe China’s action wrt Ukraine as wanting to make sure that they are not following the US and that China must be seen as it’s own power, that smaller nations will need.

And of course the loony right wing froth mindless about China but I ascribe that to bigotry and racism.

From a practical point of view, though, is that China share a long border with Russia, and within Russia and its smaller neighbors (over which it still has influence) are groups that would like to oppose China’s treatment of fellow Muslims, etc.

Kissinger, soulless though he may be, understands that putting Russia into collapse will affect the whole world.

And we don’t know what the unintended consequences may be.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 25, 2022 • 11:25:51pm

Etna yesterday, being the iconic volcano that is Etna:

Youtube Video
 
 
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ericblair  May 25, 2022 • 11:34:22pm

re: #81 ckkatz

France, or specifically Macron, wants the war to go away so he can get back to his project of a Europe with Russia that could form a new political and military power bloc with France, naturally, steering the way.

Germany, or specifically a bunch of the SPD and CDU leadership, want the war to go away so that they can get back to their nice gas deals and warm self-righteousness that they’re fixing all the bad of the 20th century while ignoring their inconvenient little Eastern neighbors whining about freedom and liberty and not getting invaded and slaughtered.

Kissinger has a hardon for dictators and his current policy position can be reasoned out by checking his bank account.

China got lied to by Putin about the splendid little three day war and is pissed off about their putative ally fucking up their national-sovereignty-above-all message, and is trying to both-sides the war until it hopefully goes away. And has no desire to get stuck with a bunch of Western sanctions to pull Putin’s ass out of a fire he gleefully lept into.

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mmmirele  May 25, 2022 • 11:38:28pm

Sharing…my old Scientology protesting buddy David Gerard did an interview with a Swiss website about cryptocurrency. It’s fairly basic but it goes into recent events in the crypto market, like how Bitcoin is bouncing around, and the failure of Terra/Luna. David makes it very easy to understand why crypto is a scam.

republik.ch

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Dr Lizardo  May 25, 2022 • 11:59:46pm

re: #72 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

My assumption has been that the Russians, as bad as they are at this invasion thing, will just keep throwing bodies at Ukraine until Putin’s objectives are met.

How long can this go on?

For a while I suppose.

Many people keep claiming that Russia will run out of money, or out of this or that material… but so far Russia has not stopped.

Because Putin doesn’t care about how much this costs.

If Putin cared about body counts, etc., he would have done something by now to stop.

The only thing that will stop Putin is a decisive military defeat. One in which the Russian armed forces are pushed out of eastern Ukraine and bottled up in Crimea, with their freedom of movement completely lost.

That’s when you go to the negotiating table, from a position of absolute strength, to force the enemy to sue for peace.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 26, 2022 • 12:08:50am

Sopranos, the singing variety:

Youtube Video

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ericblair  May 26, 2022 • 12:11:56am

German weapons for Ukraine already on their way!

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Amory Blaine  May 26, 2022 • 12:28:55am

Video of police harassing parents as their children are being murdered.

Youtube Video

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2022 • 12:35:51am

re: #89 Amory Blaine

Yeah, I’ve been seeing that. Looks like the cops were standing around for about 40 minutes with their dongs in their hands, trying to figure out what to do.

Well, aside from harassing understandably freaked-out parents.

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wrenchwench  May 26, 2022 • 1:15:50am

44th 4.

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DodgerFan1988  May 26, 2022 • 1:17:23am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 1:30:59am

re: #29 Amory Blaine

The individual right to own a gun is yet another delusion that the dumbed down american public suck up with a straw. So delusional in fact, they are itching to kill anyone that stands in their way.

“A well-regulated militia” being too complex a concept for ammo fetishists and gun-humpers to understand, we will concentrate solely on the “right to bear arms” aspect of gun rights…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 1:32:21am

re: #40 ckkatz

On my bike ride this morning, saw a delivery robot lost in the woods

It took the road less travelled…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 1:35:50am

re: #50 Captain Ron

Fuck the kids, the cops want to go home at the end of the day.

The Tree of Freedom had already been well watered that day.

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A Mom Anon  May 26, 2022 • 2:09:12am

re: #85 mmmirele

I heard commercials on the radio yesterday urging people to invest their retirement fund money in crypto. I don’t remember the name of the company, but this shit should not be even close to legal.

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John Hughes  May 26, 2022 • 3:05:22am

re: #18 Crush White Nationalism

Yémen - ongoing civil War.
Serbia - recovering from civil War
Monténégro - recovering from civil War.
Cyprus - massive Invasion in living memory, partly under foreign occupation.
Finland - repeatedly invaded by near neighbor within last 100 years.
Lebanon - recovering from civil War.

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John Hughes  May 26, 2022 • 3:11:39am

re: #26 Barefoot Grin

Rubio:

“The truth of the matter is these people are going to commit these horrifying crimes, whether they have to use another weapon to do it, they’re going to figure out a way to do it.”

So Rubio thinks that the problem is not the guns, but that Americans are uniquely evil, unlike almost everybody else in the world.

An interesting thesis to defend.

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Ming5000  May 26, 2022 • 3:18:56am

This slapped me in the face today:

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William Lewis  May 26, 2022 • 3:32:02am

re: #99 Ming5000

This slapped me in the face today:

First time I went, it must have been Thursday as I had dad drop me off on his way to work at 3:00 - theater was nearly empty but those of us there cheered ourselves silly. The Friday, Newsweek and Time had their cover reviews. The line was around the block the second time I went to the same theater days later.

13 that summer… Oh and I also discovered the “Traveller” RPG, three books in a little black box, the first SF game. We did a lot of Star Wars copying!!!

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Decatur Deb  May 26, 2022 • 3:47:46am

re: #97 John Hughes

Yémen - ongoing civil War.
Serbia - recovering from civil War
Monténégro - recovering from civil War.
Cyprus - massive Invasion in living memory, partly under foreign occupation.
Finland - repeatedly invaded by near neighbor within last 100 years.
Lebanon - recovering from civil War.

US - recovering from civil war

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sagehen  May 26, 2022 • 3:54:15am

re: #97 John Hughes

Yémen - ongoing civil War.
Serbia - recovering from civil War
Monténégro - recovering from civil War.
Cyprus - massive Invasion in living memory, partly under foreign occupation.
Finland - repeatedly invaded by near neighbor within last 100 years.
Lebanon - recovering from civil War.

United States - gearing up for civil war.

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William Lewis  May 26, 2022 • 3:59:17am

re: #101 Decatur Deb

US - recovering from civil war

re: #102 sagehen

United States - gearing up for civil war.

Both are true in a strict sense.

We should have made the British in the aftermath of The 45 look kind.

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 4:12:11am

re: #27 The Ghost of a Flea


In fact…dead kids are pretty useful because they can’t speak up or define themselves. They perfectly moldable into whatever reactionaries need.

Exactly the same as the “unborn”

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TarHellion  May 26, 2022 • 4:24:49am

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 4:35:53am

re: #80 nines09

I normally do not read Facebook because I do and then think less of the people who post. So this woman I know, who was married to a chemist who was a huge alcoholic that died posted; Why don’t all guns come mandatory with trigger locks? We could do that! It’s a start!
And one of her houseplants (friend) answered; Yeah he was living with his grandma! She would have made him!

Bold moves.
Whose going to tell them?

Why am I totally disgusted? Gee.

Christ I hate these parasites.

Clearly, as you imply, a trigger lock would have done nothing here. But what about so many other situations where one could have prevented a disaster?

After these events i think an error we make in general is focusing on the specific circumstances and how to stop events like *it* rather than the much larger more generic carnage numbers.

Mass shootings are kind of one offs. Each one hard to identify or predict. Yes there are some successes even in the last 2 days. But some quiet methodical nutter will always slip through.

Its all the other gun behavior we can very easily do something about.
Like trigger locks, or storage rules, or punishment for all manner of carelessness. Or selling lending giving or transferring to someone not allowed to possess.

Your gun. Your responsibility. All the time. No matter what.
Who but you? It’s yours.

how hard is “control your weapon at all times”?
If its too hard for you, wtf are you doing with one?
And how the hell do the rest of us allow you to have one?

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 4:39:43am

Who do you think gets gun money?

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Eventual Carrion  May 26, 2022 • 4:40:06am

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 4:43:27am
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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 4:44:01am

Yet another 3. I probably could’ve had it in 2, if my brain had made the critical breakthrough earlier.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 4:45:47am
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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 4:46:08am

re: #107 Dangerman

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 4:50:27am

Same fuckers who say that more laws will not stop gun violence and that it’s useless to even try, are the same fuckers who want to outlaw abortion and criminalize it to the point that they’d investigate and prosecute women who miscarry (because there’s no way any of these white guys know how biology works or that a significant number of pregnancies fail before term for any number of reasons and sometimes the failed pregnancy can be life threatening to the woman).

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Mike Lamb  May 26, 2022 • 4:51:53am

re: #42 jaunte

DeSantis going to go after their license now?

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 4:52:28am

re: #113 lawhawk

Same fuckers who say that more laws will not stop gun violence and that it’s useless to even try, are the same fuckers who want to outlaw abortion and criminalize it to the point that they’d investigate and prosecute women who miscarry (because there’s no way any of these white guys know how biology works or that a significant number of pregnancies fail before term for any number of reasons and sometimes the failed pregnancy can be life threatening to the woman).

Or the folks in Oklahoma who just banned abortion “from fertilization”, not having any clue that a woman can “abort” a fertilized egg without ever even knowing she was impregnated in the first place.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 4:53:47am
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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 5:12:10am

re: #116 lawhawk

[Embedded content]
The NRA convention is a political gathering where right wing fascists gather to show their bona fides to their corporate masters. They don’t care how many die from gun violence so long as the butcher’s bill is filled.

These same fascists insist we not politicize mass shootings.

And gee, they’re tax exempt

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 5:13:24am

re: #117 Dangerman

And gee, they’re tax exempt

Ps I don’t think one of them could define what “don’t politicize a mass shooting” means

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William Lewis  May 26, 2022 • 5:15:28am

re: #118 Dangerman

Ps I don’t think one of them could define what “don’t politicize a mass shooting” means

It means “don’t try to embarrass me for taking my NRA bribes”

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 5:16:40am

re: #119 William Lewis

It means “don’t try to embarrass me for taking my NRA bribes”

More like, “I refuse to admit that guns are a problem, so don’t come at me with your librul talking points.”

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 5:18:02am

I don’t stand corrected
It just had to happen sooner or later.

Apparently, one of the fathers of a child murdered in Uvalde is a gun-humper.

In a Reddit post in which he wrote: “Why?”, he attached a photo of him wearing a “Fuck your gun free zone” t-shirt with his now dead daughter.

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 5:18:31am

re: #119 William Lewis

It means “don’t try to embarrass me for taking my NRA bribes”

Oh I know what they would say

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 5:20:18am

re: #100 William Lewis

First time I went, it must have been Thursday as I had dad drop me off on his way to work at 3:00 - theater was nearly empty but those of us there cheered ourselves silly. The Friday, Newsweek and Time had their cover reviews. The line was around the block the second time I went to the same theater days later.

I saw it it sometime in the summer of 1977, I was jumping out of my seat by the end, and still think it is one of the best science fiction movies ever made. As for the rest…okay in places but overall nowhere nearly as good.

One thing I recall thinking coming out of the theater is how well it would age: would it look like old Buck Rodgers or tacky space-age 50’s science fiction in a few decades?

One has to admit that it not only set the industry standard but one hardly looks at it and says “Wow, how totally 1970s!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 5:20:50am

re: #102 sagehen

United States - gearing up for civil war.

Staring at the impending end of representative democracy and personal liberties.

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 5:20:56am

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 5:23:26am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I saw it it sometime in the summer of 1977, I was jumping out of my seat by the end, and still think it is one of the best science fiction movies ever made. As for the rest…okay in places but overall nowhere nearly as good.

One thing I recall thinking coming out of the theater is how well it would age: would it look like old Buck Rodgers or tacky space-age 50’s science fiction in a few decades?

One has to admit that it not only set the industry standard but one hardly looks at it and says “Wow, how totally 1970s!”

Something to be said for the practical effects guys who worked on that movie invented and revolutionized the processes that are still in use. Practical effects have a weight to them that doesn’t exist when you try CGI for everything. That’s why the prequel fight scenes seem to miss something despite the intricate battles that they display and render on the screen.

It’s why the new trilogy does better visually - it takes its cues not from CGI work, but from the practical effects, and it shows.

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 5:24:56am
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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 5:25:15am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I saw it it sometime in the summer of 1977, I was jumping out of my seat by the end, and still think it is one of the best science fiction movies ever made. As for the rest…okay in places but overall nowhere nearly as good.

One thing I recall thinking coming out of the theater is how well it would age: would it look like old Buck Rodgers or tacky space-age 50’s science fiction in a few decades?

One has to admit that it not only set the industry standard but one hardly looks at it and says “Wow, how totally 1970s!”

I am too young to have seen them in their original state, but I remember the first time I went over to a friend’s house and watched the classic Star Wars on VHS. I was transfixed. To this day, there isn’t a sci-fi series I enjoy and appreciate more than the original Star Wars trilogy, and you’re right - they have aged incredibly well.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 26, 2022 • 5:32:14am

re: #128 Dangerman

Well. It took the cops an hour to get inside so either the doors are working or they don’t know how to use them but the killer did.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 5:35:42am

re: #130 GlutenFreeJesus

Well. It took the cops an hour to get inside so either the doors are working or they don’t know how to use them but the killer did.

So if you want a real school massacree, just set off the fire alarm and then wait with a sniper scope to come out the lone exit…

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 5:52:05am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

All you do is change the venue of where the shooting occurs - from an enclosed classroom to the entry areas or grounds of same school.

And it’s not like mass shootings and gun violence don’t occur in the US in all of the following:

churches;
synagoguges;
movie theaters;
shopping malls;
playgrounds;
supermarkets;
streets;
apartment buildings;
single family homes;
office buildings;
manufacturing plants;
post offices;
factories;
logistics hubs;
parks;
subways;
buses;

And apologies for missing some location not identified above. We’ve lost track of all the venues where mass shootings occur because there are so many.

Secure the doors? What about a public school that has a campus and multiple buildings spread out across the campus that isn’t fenced in? What about colleges that have dozens of buildings spread over 10s and dozens of acres? What about apartment buildings?

All of this is a deflection of course - from the root cause of gun violence in the US:

lax gun laws that allow people to get firearms easily. And we have no way currently to stop people from getting guns like the AR-15, which are frequently used in high profile mass shootings. There’s no reason anyone needs a firearm like that; you can’t hunt with it. If you need an AR-15 to hunt, you suck at hunting. It’s designed with one purpose in mind: to kill as many people as possible, and manufacturers have given those firearms all kinds of add-ons that can make them even more lethal, with expanded clips/magazines to allow for less need to reload between clips/magazines.

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2022 • 5:54:22am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It still looks good to this day.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 5:54:28am

How did a guy who had no job scrounge up enough money to not only buy the AR-15 but the ammo for same? How did a guy who didn’t have a driver’s license get the firearm in the first place?

Seems like it was real easy to get a gun with no questions asked. On demand firearms.

I have a grudge: lemme get a gun and settle matters.
Gun dealer: sure. Here you go.
Shooter: blammo!

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William Lewis  May 26, 2022 • 6:00:18am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So if you want a real school massacree, just set off the fire alarm and then wait with a sniper scope to come out the lone exit…

Been done. Two kids (13 yo & 11 yo) sat in a wood line with multiple firearms after pulling an alarm.

Westside School shooting

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 6:03:56am

re: #134 lawhawk

How did a guy who had no job scrounge up enough money to not only buy the AR-15 but the ammo for same? How did a guy who didn’t have a driver’s license get the firearm in the first place?

Seems like it was real easy to get a gun with no questions asked. On demand firearms.

I have a grudge: lemme get a gun and settle matters.
Gun dealer: sure. Here you go.
Shooter: blammo!

But multiple stops and costs and time to get 64 kinds of documentation just to register to vote

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2022 • 6:06:45am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So if you want a real school massacree, just set off the fire alarm and then wait with a sniper scope to come out the lone exit…

It’s been done before - and the Zodiac Killer had a somewhat similar idea back in 1969. In one of his letters, he wrote that he’d contemplated “just shoot out the front tire [referring to a school bus] & then pick off the kiddies as they come bouncing out”.

Then of course, we had Andrew Kehoe, whose insane tax protest in 1927 involved blowing up an entire school. Which he did: en.wikipedia.org

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 6:10:21am
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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 6:15:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 6:22:56am

re: #139 Dangerman

Just like ACA was based on a Heritage Foundation white paper, and that Mitt Romney had enacted a similar system in Massachusetts.

But now ACA is the Devil’s Toxic Spunk

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 6:23:41am

A new Morning Consult poll finds 88% of Americans strongly or somewhat support requiring background checks on all gun sales while just 8% strongly or somewhat oppose them.

Meanwhile, 75% strongly of somewhat support creating a national database with info about each gun sale, while 18% strongly or somewhat opposes.

And 84% strongly or somewhat support preventing sales of all firearms to people reported as dangerous to law enforcement by a mental health provider, while 9% strongly or somewhat oppose that.

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 6:25:44am
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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 6:27:34am

Here’s Mr punchable face getting roasted ( as much as the press does these days anyway)

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 6:32:07am

re: #119 William Lewis

It means “don’t try to embarrass me for taking my NRA bribes”

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No Malarkey!  May 26, 2022 • 6:35:23am

re: #141 Dangerman

A new Morning Consult poll finds 88% of Americans strongly or somewhat support requiring background checks on all gun sales while just 8% strongly or somewhat oppose them.

Meanwhile, 75% strongly of somewhat support creating a national database with info about each gun sale, while 18% strongly or somewhat opposes.

And 84% strongly or somewhat support preventing sales of all firearms to people reported as dangerous to law enforcement by a mental health provider, while 9% strongly or somewhat oppose that.

But if you poll the people who matter, Vladimir Putin and gun industry CEOs, you get very different numbers.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 6:43:10am

They say he’s not tied to Conservative causes, but the fact that he was going to be there at all is terrible. Worse, the article reveals that he physically abused his wife and psychologically abused his daughter.

Don McLean drops out of performance at NRA convention (PressHerald)

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No Malarkey!  May 26, 2022 • 6:45:38am

re: #128 Dangerman

When Trump appears at the NRA convention this weekend, I wonder how many different things other than guns he will blame for the Buffalo and Uvalde massacres. The usuals are rap music, video games, mental illness, lack of school prayer, and lack of armed security guards/teachers in schools. We’ve seen the Right add to the list this month furries, the transgendered, illegal immigrants and doors. Anything they can think of other than guns.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 6:46:42am

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jeffreyw  May 26, 2022 • 6:47:25am

potato soup and fried fish sliders

Good morning!

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Rightwingconspirator  May 26, 2022 • 6:50:31am

re: #147 No Malarkey!

When Trump appears at the NRA convention this weekend, I wonder how many different things other than guns he will blame for the Buffalo and Uvalde massacres. The usuals are rap music, video games, mental illness, lack of school prayer, and lack of armed security guards/teachers in schools. We’ve seen the Right add to the list this month furries, the transgendered, illegal immigrants and doors. Anything they can think of other than guns.

When any republican appears… he or she will talk about anything and everything but the guns. Distract, pray, obfuscate, distract again. It’s an old and so far effective playbook.

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No Malarkey!  May 26, 2022 • 6:56:15am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 6:56:40am

re: #150 Rightwingconspirator

When any republican appears… he or she will talk about anything and everything but the guns.

He will talk about how it is all somehow the Democrats’ fault.

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No Malarkey!  May 26, 2022 • 6:58:07am
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John Hughes  May 26, 2022 • 6:58:59am

re: #101 Decatur Deb

US - recovering from civil war

Or preparing for the next one?

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 6:59:28am

re: #151 No Malarkey!

And those lawsuits will inevitably result in settlements that will hike taxes and costs to the community already shattered by this gun violence.

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 7:05:03am

This is the whole fucking problem, right here.

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Belafon  May 26, 2022 • 7:05:19am

re: #148 Crush White Nationalism

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Which is why I’ve never cared for tradition.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 7:08:55am

re: #156 Dopamine Fish

This is the whole fucking problem, right here.

Needless to say, “Well-Regulated Militia” is not and never will be Trending on Twitter

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BlueSpotinAL  May 26, 2022 • 7:11:34am

re: #100 William Lewis

First time I went, it must have been Thursday as I had dad drop me off on his way to work at 3:00 - theater was nearly empty but those of us there cheered ourselves silly. The Friday, Newsweek and Time had their cover reviews. The line was around the block the second time I went to the same theater days later.

13 that summer… Oh and I also discovered the “Traveller” RPG, three books in a little black box, the first SF game. We did a lot of Star Wars copying!!!

Still have the Traveller game in my chest of drawers, or as we say in the south chester dwars.

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Rightwingconspirator  May 26, 2022 • 7:11:41am

From CNN. (My added bold)

The massacre marks the deadliest US school shooting in nearly a decade and at least the 30th school shooting at a K-12 school in 2022.

It’s only late May.

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No Malarkey!  May 26, 2022 • 7:20:59am

Judge is going to allow the Nazi who participated in the insurrection while on pretrial release for a first degree murder charge to remain free after he violated the terms of his current pretrial release. Sounds about white.

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 7:22:40am

re: #156 Dopamine Fish

This is the whole fucking problem, right here.

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They’ve redefined infringe
It does not at all mean no limits of any kind

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2022 • 7:23:26am

re: #148 Crush White Nationalism

The worst words you can hear in any language are, “But we’ve always done things this way!” My standard smartass response to that is, “Yeah, well, once upon a time we used to toss virgins into volcanoes. You don’t see that anymore, do ya? Because now we know better and we’re not a bunch of primitive screwheads anymore.”

I have no problem with people maintaining traditions. But when those traditions become counterproductive to the functioning of society and ultimately harmful to a society…then it’s time for those traditions to fade into history.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 7:24:50am

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No Malarkey!  May 26, 2022 • 7:24:54am

re: #162 Dangerman

They’ve redefined infringe
It does not at all mean no limits of any kind

And of course the second amendment didn’t apply to the states, only the federal government, until SCOTUS decided to incorporate it just a few years ago.

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Rightwingconspirator  May 26, 2022 • 7:25:27am

Why are some Americans so likely to lose it and commit violence? Even outside of robbery etc. Examples abound. School/work shootings. Domestic violence. Gang shootings.

There is something very deeply wrong here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 7:25:46am

re: #162 Dangerman

They’ve redefined infringe
It does not at all mean no limits of any kind

But we all know that any form of restrictions are a Slippery Sloping leading to Total Confiscation and Tyranny.

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 7:26:41am

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

Why are some Americans so likely to lose it and commit violence? Even outside of robbery etc. Examples abound. School/work shootings. Domestic violence. Gang shootings.

There is something very deeply wrong here.

Threats of violence are seen to be covered by “free speech” and have become an accepted part of public discourse. Remember those calls for “Second Amendment solutions?” “Don’t retreat, reload!” and “Hang Mike Pence”?

And the default template script for GOP candidates seems to involve them firing weapons at, blowing up, burning or otherwise demolishing some object which is supposed to symbolize Government Interference/Tyranny/Oppression, etc….

All just expressions of impassioned patriotism, I guess…

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 7:27:34am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

The worst words you can hear in any language are, “But we’ve always done things this way!” My standard smartass response to that is, “Yeah, well, once upon a time we used to toss virgins into volcanoes. You don’t see that anymore, do ya? Because now we know better and we’re not a bunch of primitive screwheads anymore.”

I have no problem with people maintaining traditions. But when those traditions become counterproductive to the functioning of society and ultimately harmful to a society…then it’s time for those traditions to fade into history.

So many consulting gigs I walked into that statement plus “and we’ve never had a problem”

Like say why one backup a week was enough, or sharing passwords.
Or we always pad this deduction and the irs has never audited it…

My answer: “yet”

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No Malarkey!  May 26, 2022 • 7:28:00am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

The worst words you can hear in any language are, “But we’ve always done things this way!” My standard smartass response to that is, “Yeah, well, once upon a time we used to toss virgins into volcanoes. You don’t see that anymore, do ya? Because now we know better and we’re not a bunch of primitive screwheads anymore.”

I have no problem with people maintaining traditions. But when those traditions become counterproductive to the functioning of society and ultimately harmful to a society…then it’s time for those traditions to fade into history.

So, I have to post this.

Youtube Video

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 7:29:39am

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

Why are some Americans so likely to lose it and commit violence? Even outside of robbery etc. Examples abound. School/work shootings. Domestic violence. Gang shootings.

There is something very deeply wrong here.

We have wackjob media that intentionally misinterprets current events thanks to the 1st amendment, and a wackjob macho gun culture built around the 2nd. Other countries can rein in their crazies when they get too far out there.

It used to be that these freaks had to turn to The 700 Club to have events absurdly misinterpreted for them, now there are hundreds of outlets that serve to keep their viewer delusional 24/7.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 26, 2022 • 7:31:02am

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 7:31:16am

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

Why are some Americans so likely to lose it and commit violence? Even outside of robbery etc. Examples abound. School/work shootings. Domestic violence. Gang shootings.

There is something very deeply wrong here.

Because half the country glorifies it and not nearly enough are willing to go after the enablers/abetters

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 7:31:38am

Just got a notification that a shelter in place was issued for Elmwood Park NJ schools due to an unspecified threat against schools there.

Yeah, America. Fuck yeah.

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 7:35:05am

re: #174 lawhawk

Just got a notification that a shelter in place was issued for Elmwood Park NJ schools due to an unspecified threat against schools there.

Yeah, America. Fuck yeah.

It’s approaching the end of the school year in most places, which is, apparently, the season in which disgruntled students decide to vent their frustrations by grabbing guns and venting teachers and other kids.

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Belafon  May 26, 2022 • 7:36:54am

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

Why are some Americans so likely to lose it and commit violence? Even outside of robbery etc. Examples abound. School/work shootings. Domestic violence. Gang shootings.

There is something very deeply wrong here.

I personally think it all goes back to power, and who’s perceived to own it. The wealthy own it, but they have convinced certain segments of society - male in most cases, but whites when it comes down to two males - that they have it but that it’s being taken away. And they’ve been told that the solution to that is violence.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 7:40:49am

So, all the so-called training done by cops and active shooter drills done by cops for teachers was worthless?

You don’t say. The local PD is covering itself with something fierce, and it isn’t glory.

All the talk about how schools can fortify and if only we had a single entry/exit point, we could protect those buildings has never actually been in a school or building.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 7:41:37am

re: #174 lawhawk

The notice has been lifted.

America. Fuck yeah.

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2022 • 7:41:46am

re: #176 Belafon

I personally think it all goes back to power, and who’s perceived to own it. The wealthy own it, but they have convinced certain segments of society - male in most cases, but whites when it comes down to two males - that they have it but that it’s being taken away. And they’ve been told that the solution to that is violence.

Not a single goddamn thing is being taken away from white men.

They just have to share the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy with other folks who aren’t white men.

If that makes some white men uncomfortable, well….that’s too fucking bad. Time for them to pull on the big boy Underoos and quit acting like spoiled three-year-old toddlers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 7:43:13am

re: #177 lawhawk

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All the talk about how schools can fortify and if only we had a single entry/exit point, we could protect those buildings has never actually been in a school or building.

What about windows?

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 7:43:19am

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

Not a single goddamn thing is being taken away from white men.

They just have to share the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy with other folks who aren’t white men.

If that makes some white men uncomfortable, well….that’s too fucking bad. Time for them to pull on the big boy Underoos and quite acting like spoiled three-year-old toddlers.

I do believe they have a quote for that…

Fuck their feelings.

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Decatur Deb  May 26, 2022 • 7:43:38am

re: #138 Dangerman

The leaders of our party are not built for this moment. They’re too old and too wedded to outdated ways. They still believe in institutions that failed long ago. They still beg Republicans to do the right thing, only to be humiliated again and again. We need generational change.

Yeah, our Olds are too weak and docile. We need hot young bloods.

We could call them “Proud Boys”.

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Dave In Austin  May 26, 2022 • 7:43:46am

The Rubes are angry this morning……

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No Malarkey!  May 26, 2022 • 7:45:03am

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

Not a single goddamn thing is being taken away from white men.

They just have to share the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy with other folks who aren’t white men.

If that makes some white men uncomfortable, well….that’s too fucking bad. Time for them to pull on the big boy Underoos and quit acting like spoiled three-year-old toddlers.

Article on why Tucker Carlson’s replacement theory is bullshit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 7:46:40am

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

Not a single goddamn thing is being taken away from white men.

They just have to share the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy with other who aren’t white men.

I grew up in the Industrial Midwest during the Golden Age of the White Working Man: back then, you just had to finish high school, get on at the steel mill, chemical plant, foundry, refinery, etc., and put in some seniority, and you could afford to keep your wife at home to raise your kids in the house you bought for them and to send them to state college on your salary.

And even back then, those guys were racist as hell and very big on defending their status against anyone they thought did not deserve to share.

“Economic anxiety” my ass

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jaunte  May 26, 2022 • 7:50:13am
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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 7:50:33am
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Belafon  May 26, 2022 • 7:50:49am

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

Not a single goddamn thing is being taken away from white men.

They just have to share the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy with other folks who aren’t white men.

If that makes some white men uncomfortable, well….that’s too fucking bad. Time for them to pull on the big boy Underoos and quit acting like spoiled three-year-old toddlers.

I do believe their right to be mediocre and get rewarded for it is being taken away.

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2022 • 7:51:59am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My childhood was at the tail end of that era - the 1970s. By that point in time, the Golden Age of the White Working-class Man was already starting to recede. And yeah, that economic anxiety is horseshit.

It’s more like “economic an卐iety” if we’re gonna be real honest about it.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 7:53:17am

re: #186 jaunte

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2022 • 7:54:35am

re: #188 Belafon

I do believe their right to be mediocre and get rewarded for it is being taken away.

Oh, no.

Anyway….

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jaunte  May 26, 2022 • 7:54:36am
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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 7:57:10am

re: #177 lawhawk

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So, all the so-called training done by cops and active shooter drills done by cops for teachers was worthless?

You don’t say. The local PD is covering itself with something fierce, and it isn’t glory.

All the talk about how schools can fortify and if only we had a single entry/exit point, we could protect those buildings has never actually been in a school or building.

Anyone check with the local fire marshal?

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 7:57:13am

re: #186 jaunte

So, because we didn’t let the cops murder a guy in cold blood and get away with it, they’re not willing to save dozens of innocent kids. Right. Got it.

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jaunte  May 26, 2022 • 7:58:45am

re: #194 Dopamine Fish

Blue fragility is real.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 8:00:37am

re: #190 Crush White Nationalism

He’s not going to defend law enforcement, but defends them anyways.

It’s a load of crap.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 26, 2022 • 8:02:21am

40% of the city budget right there in that photo.

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 8:02:23am

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

Not a single goddamn thing is being taken away from white men.

They just have to share the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy with other folks who aren’t white men.

If that makes some white men uncomfortable, well….that’s too fucking bad. Time for them to pull on the big boy Underoos and quit acting like spoiled three-year-old toddlers.

This type of asymmetrical killing (and willing, almost expecting, to be killed in the act) is imo an ultimate act of cowardice.

Living is hard
Change is hard
Adjusting is hard
Reality is hard

Killing the unarmed and unsuspecting is, well, easy.
And the powers that be keep making it even easier.

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2022 • 8:02:31am

re: #192 jaunte

That’s made the news here in Czech Republic. Needless to say, most Czechs find it scandalous.

That’s because people were livid when something similar happened here a few years back. There was a mass shooting incident at a small bar in Uherský Brod; the regular city cops showed up within minutes, assessed the situation and called in a tactical unit (like a SWAT unit, basically). The tactical unit arrived within a few more minutes - and then waited until there was no more shooting. When later asked about that by Czech reporters on the scene, their commanding officer said (translated), “Well ya know, we figured after we heard that last gunshot that everyone, including the shooter, was already dead, so no point rushing in there and getting shot.” 🙄

The commanding officer was fired a week or so later and all tactical units, who are part of the national police, were ordered to undergo re-training on how to properly respond to an active shooter incident.

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 8:03:10am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What about windows?

I said yesterday , next loon shows up with a gun and a brick…

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 8:05:41am

re: #186 jaunte

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It’s your effing job

Its the K. Synema response.

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jaunte  May 26, 2022 • 8:06:20am
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Decatur Deb  May 26, 2022 • 8:07:19am

re: #197 GlutenFreeJesus

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40% of the city budget right there in that photo.

Looks like a Russian Spetsnaz squad.

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 8:07:46am

re: #194 Dopamine Fish

So, because we didn’t let the cops murder a guy in cold blood and get away with it, they’re not willing to save dozens of innocent kids. Right. Got it.

Hey, if you’re shameless, when its all you got, you go with it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 8:07:54am

re: #203 Decatur Deb

Looks like a Russian Spetsnaz squad.

Probably their personal idols.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 26, 2022 • 8:08:16am

re: #203 Decatur Deb

Looks like a Russian Spetsnaz squad.

And even more incompetent.

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 8:08:58am
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jaunte  May 26, 2022 • 8:10:54am

re: #197 GlutenFreeJesus

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40% of the city budget right there in that photo.

“Nobody trained us to operate a door key.”

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Decatur Deb  May 26, 2022 • 8:10:58am

re: #206 GlutenFreeJesus

And even less competent.

Starting to look that way.

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 8:11:03am

And right on cue, here comes the Jesus Brigade, to tell us that the only way to stop school shootings is to embrace White American Jesus:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 8:11:27am

re: #190 Crush White Nationalism

I’m not defending the actions of the officers. But we’ve demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero, for taking risks. When your culture makes George Floyd the hero, real heroes stand down. Cultural rot has consequences.

so since when has “holding people responsible for their actions” come to mean “demonizing” them?

Because that is all that the George Floyd incident (and other previous and subsequent cases) has ever been about. George Floyd was never a hero, he was a victim.

Cultural rot has set in, but not where they assert that it has…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 8:12:47am

re: #210 Dopamine Fish

And right on cue, here comes the Jesus Brigade, to tell us that the only way to stop school shootings is to embrace White American Jesus:

This Jesus?

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Renaissance_Man  May 26, 2022 • 8:13:20am

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

Why are some Americans so likely to lose it and commit violence? Even outside of robbery etc. Examples abound. School/work shootings. Domestic violence. Gang shootings.

There is something very deeply wrong here.

White male Americans are taught from birth that they are special and great. They are taught overtly and subtly that they are part of the privileged class, and this means specifically that they have rights that others around them do not. They have the right to women on demand, they have the right to hurt others, they have the right to be heard and respected, and most importantly, they do not have to suffer consequences. Gun rights in America are not about guns or freedom or anything else - they are about the right of the privileged in group to take lives if they so choose.

All places have disaffected people, poor mental health care, despair, and the like. But most nations reserve the use of force for the state - that’s one of the points of having a nation-state in the first place, that it gets a monopoly on the use of force and theoretically uses it judiciously for the greater good. Americans do not believe in this - they believe that the privileged class also is able to use lethal force at their discretion and they are given the tools to do it, cheaply and easily. This isn’t just a RWNJ idea - I think a majority of Americans don’t really see a problem with the idea of shooting someone who’s shoplifting, fleeing the scene of a crime, resisting arrest, or even just being belligerent in a bar. And this is why, as a nation, America is okay with human sacrifice, as long as the protected class remains privileged.

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 8:13:37am

re: #207 Dopamine Fish

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I just said above they don’t understand what “infringed” means

Infringed has all kinds of limits. lots of em.
It does not mean carte blanche/ no limits

And I’m not talking about any specific scotus interpretation.
Just the word

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 8:14:48am

re: #212 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This Jesus?

That’s the one. Once you have learned when Jesus says it’s okay to use guns, there will be peace in our schools.

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Belafon  May 26, 2022 • 8:17:21am

re: #210 Dopamine Fish

And right on cue, here comes the Jesus Brigade, to tell us that the only way to stop school shootings is to embrace White American Jesus:

“So, what you’re saying, dude, is that Europe is way more Christian than we are since they have less gun violence? And maybe, because they’re more Christian, they’ve figured out that less guns are the answer.”

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 8:17:41am

re: #210 Dopamine Fish

And right on cue, here comes the Jesus Brigade, to tell us that the only way to stop school shootings is to embrace White American Jesus:

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So politicians can’t do anything,
Its all gawds will?

If so why didn’t god want to stop this one or the last, and how would more prayer make a difference?

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 8:18:59am

re: #216 Belafon

“So, what you’re saying, dude, is that Europe is way more Christian than we are since they have less gun violence? And maybe, because they’re more Christian, they’ve figured out that less guns are the answer.”

Nice!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 8:19:33am

re: #215 Dopamine Fish

That’s the one. Once you have learned when Jesus says it’s okay to use guns, there will be peace in our schools.

Jesus would not have been crucified in the first place if he and his disciples had been properly armed.

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 8:19:41am

re: #217 Dangerman

So politicians can’t do anything,
Its all gawds will?

If so why didn’t god want to stop this one or the last, and how would more prayer make a difference?

They believe that school shootings are allowed because God hates godless liberals, and if we were all forced to be good Christian people by the state, then God would smile on us and take away the evil people who engage in school shootings. Dominionism in action.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 8:20:51am

re: #213 Renaissance_Man

This isn’t just a RWNJ idea - I think a majority of Americans don’t really see a problem with the idea of shooting someone who’s shoplifting, fleeing the scene of a crime, resisting arrest, or even just being belligerent in a bar. And this is why, as a nation, America is okay with human sacrifice, as long as the protected class remains privileged.

They have little problem with drug addicts dying of an overdose, after all, they are criminals, right?

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 8:20:55am

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Jesus would not have been crucified in the first place if he and his disciples had been properly armed.

They had two swords, Jesus even said that was enough.

(subtext: Jesus was actually saying, “Where we’re going, we don’t need swords.” But of course, sarcasm doesn’t translate in a 2000-year-old text.)

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 8:25:49am

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 8:30:46am

re: #210 Dopamine Fish

And right on cue, here comes the Jesus Brigade, to tell us that the only way to stop school shootings is to embrace White American Jesus:

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dat_said  May 26, 2022 • 8:32:50am

re: #222 Dopamine Fish

They had two swords, Jesus even said that was enough.

(subtext: Jesus was actually saying, “Where we’re going, we don’t need swords.” But of course, sarcasm doesn’t translate in a 2000-year-old text.)

There was a recent thread on the subreddit /r/AppalachianTrail where a guy asked if it would be legal for him to carry a sword with him since his “personal religion” required it. He quoted Luke 22:36 as the basis for his “personal religion”. I guess he never read all the way to Luke 22:37 and Luke 22:38 where Jesus basically says “you already have two? Dude - *sigh* that’s good enough - we only need them there so no one will question that we fulfilled the prophecy.”

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 8:34:34am

re: #225 dat_said

And then Peter went and used his sword, and Jesus was like, “C’mon, dude, I didn’t mean for you to actually use it!” and then healed the guy.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 8:39:08am
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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  May 26, 2022 • 8:40:23am

re: #149 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 8:43:54am
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GlutenFreeJesus  May 26, 2022 • 8:44:37am

re: #227 lawhawk

Suddenly the man with the best memory ever won’t be able to remember anything.

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HRH Stanley Sea  May 26, 2022 • 8:45:00am

Took some time.
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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 8:45:30am

re: #229 lawhawk

As far as I’m aware, the shooter in Uvalde did everything correctly according to Texas law, and did not have a criminal history. Where is your God now, Rafael?

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Dave In Austin  May 26, 2022 • 8:48:19am
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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 8:49:03am

re: #229 lawhawk

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 8:49:15am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What about windows?

Those are Microsoft, so they don’t work? /

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Dave In Austin  May 26, 2022 • 8:49:28am
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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 8:49:46am

re: #229 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

What about the sellers ted?

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 8:50:55am

re: #234 Crush White Nationalism

[Embedded content]

No one’s a felon till they commit their first felony

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  May 26, 2022 • 8:52:36am

The (Republican) elephant in the living room: racism. The goobers apply their contrived interpretation of the Second Amendment because they believe they MUST have massive firepower to hold off the hordes that will pour out of the inner cities to loot and rape “when the welfare checks stop.” Being racist, they further believe that these hordes are utterly mindless in their greed and lust, and will keep coming, zombie like, until they are all killed. Hence, their million round ammo stashes.
To them, a few hundred dead children a year are a small price to pay for the ability to protect millions of whites, especially white women, from the crazed masses. This latest massacre is finally getting a few of them to admit that they think it is really worth the price, something all of them have thought silently from the beginning.
As an aside, I wonder what white welfare recipients (the actual majority) plan to do on the prophesied day when the checks stop? We’ve all seen the goobers who apparently can’t afford haircuts or groceries but can spend thousands on rifles and elaborate accessories. Why?
The suburban ammosexuals never address this question because they don’t even suspect that white welfare recipients even exist.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 8:54:06am

re: #238 Dangerman

No one’s a felon till they commit their first felony

Women are presumed felons under the heinous anti-abortion laws contemplated by the GOP, so there’s the precedent you’re looking for.

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 8:55:29am

re: #240 lawhawk

Women are presumed felons under the heinous anti-abortion laws contemplated by the GOP, so there’s the precedent you’re looking for.

I’m surprised they didn’t go all the way and declare having sex outside of marriage a felony, now that I’m thinking about it. If they’re going through with the whole “enforcing Christian morality” thing.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 8:57:26am

re: #241 Dopamine Fish

I’m surprised they didn’t go all the way and declare having sex outside of marriage a felony, now that I’m thinking about it. If they’re going through with the whole “enforcing Christian morality” thing.

After gutting Eisenstadt, Griswold, and Loving, that’s the next logical step.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 8:57:35am

re: #241 Dopamine Fish

I’m surprised they didn’t go all the way and declare having sex outside of marriage a felony, now that I’m thinking about it. If they’re going through with the whole “enforcing Christian morality” thing.

They have to slowly destroy the nation so we don’t react and stop them. If they go for broke all at once, they’ll find themselves marginalized.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 26, 2022 • 8:58:21am

re: #236 Dave In Austin

They sell axes there. He needs a job at an outpost in Antarctica.

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2022 • 9:01:18am

re: #229 lawhawk

And what Cruz is saying there would’ve accomplished absolutely bupkis in this case. The Uvalde shooter was neither a felon nor a fugitive from justice.

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 9:02:09am

re: #241 Dopamine Fish

I’m surprised they didn’t go all the way and declare having sex outside of marriage a felony, now that I’m thinking about it. If they’re going through with the whole “enforcing Christian morality” thing.

Its still early days

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Jay C  May 26, 2022 • 9:06:15am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

And what Cruz is saying there would’ve accomplished absolutely bupkis in this case. The Uvalde shooter was neither a felon nor a fugitive from justice.

“Bupkis” would be a huge improvement over the accomplishment quotient of most of Ted Cruz’s suggestions.

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Dave In Austin  May 26, 2022 • 9:06:51am

Please join me in a hardy LOLOLOL

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 9:09:39am

re: #248 Dave In Austin

Please join me in a hardy LOLOLOL

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 26, 2022 • 9:11:02am

This.

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 9:11:21am

re: #250 Eclectic Cyborg

This.

When all you’ve got is a hammer…

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 9:13:47am
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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 9:15:11am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 9:16:45am

RIP Ray Liotta

deadline.com

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Dave In Austin  May 26, 2022 • 9:21:16am

Wow!
re: #254 lawhawk

RIP Ray Liotta

deadline.com

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 9:22:04am
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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 9:24:24am

re: #251 Dopamine Fish

When all you’ve got is a hammer…

…everything looks like an excuse

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 9:26:45am

re: #225 dat_said

There was a recent thread on the subreddit /r/AppalachianTrail where a guy asked if it would be legal for him to carry a sword with him since his “personal religion” required it. He quoted Luke 22:36 as the basis for his “personal religion”. I guess he never read all the way to Luke 22:37 and Luke 22:38 where Jesus basically says “you already have two? Dude - *sigh* that’s good enough - we only need them there so no one will question that we fulfilled the prophecy.”

Personal religions can be as subjective as they wish.

Well, basically all religions can be as selective as they wish.

That is why I thank God for giving our Founding Fathers the wisdom to separate Church and State.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  May 26, 2022 • 9:28:11am
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Teukka  May 26, 2022 • 9:39:08am

re: #89 Amory Blaine

Video of police harassing parents as their children are being murdered.

[Embedded content]

Video

re: #192 jaunte

This is just a cynical hunch, but is the Uvalde, TX police dept all white, and the school was mainly Hispanic?

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JC1  May 26, 2022 • 9:44:28am

re: #260 Teukka

This is just a cynical hunch, but is the Uvalde, TX police dept all white, and the school was mainly Hispanic?

Doesn’t seem to be the case based on pictures and video.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 26, 2022 • 9:45:26am

re: #194 Dopamine Fish

So, because we didn’t let the cops murder a guy in cold blood and get away with it, they’re not willing to save dozens of innocent kids. Right. Got it.

Is it because the students were Hispanic that they didn’t care? That some might have been undocumented or their parents undocumented? Is that the reason or is it just that the force is incompetent, rather than malicious?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 9:45:27am

re: #260 Teukka

This is just a cynical hunch, but is the Uvalde, TX police dept all white, and the school was mainly Hispanic?

I think it is just a case of them being inept, undertrained and unwilling to do their job.

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Belafon  May 26, 2022 • 9:47:27am

re: #262 Hecuba’s daughter

Is it because the students were Hispanic that they didn’t care? That some might have been undocumented or their parents undocumented? Is that the reason or is it just that the force is incompetent, rather than malicious?

From the picture way above, the rest of the force has been trained to believe that SWAT is to be used in cases like this. But, like not having your gun in a defensive position at all times makes it basically worthless, not having your SWAT team sitting in their truck waiting to be called out immediately makes them less than optimal.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 9:47:27am

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 9:51:37am

re: #264 Belafon

From the picture way above, the rest of the force has been trained to believe that SWAT is to be used in cases like this. But, like not having your gun in a defensive position at all times makes it basically worthless, not having your SWAT team sitting in their truck waiting to be called out immediately makes them less than optimal.

What’s funny is, the lack of timeliness involved in calling out the SWAT team makes them completely irrelevant in the situations for which they are most suited, i.e. real-time response to extremely dangerous situations with high stakes.

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BlueSpotinAL  May 26, 2022 • 9:55:22am
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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2022 • 9:57:41am

The book I’m reading right now—Jesus and John Wayne—is very good on how white Christian nationalism that was formerly small-time apolitical evangelical movements from the 1960s and ’70s began to link up into networks that of course have lots of hard-right politicians on speed dial and have infected everything from LE to the military (especially Air Force Academy) to the homeschool movement. The evolutionary leaps were the anti-abortion crusades and the link up with the NRA. Hardwired now for patriarchy and masculine displays of force through arms. The photo above of Jesus with an AR15 is not parody to them. They literally hate images of Jesus as some kind of turn-the-other-cheek wimp. Jesus is “badass.”

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The Pie Overlord!  May 26, 2022 • 10:04:02am

Cops change their story AGAIN to cover their massive fuckup.

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Decatur Deb  May 26, 2022 • 10:04:12am

re: #241 Dopamine Fish

I’m surprised they didn’t go all the way and declare having sex outside of marriage a felony, now that I’m thinking about it. If they’re going through with the whole “enforcing Christian morality” thing.

They would never stoop to regulating private sexual morality, or else purchases of dildos would be illegal here in Alabama.

…What was that?…

High court lets Alabama sex-toy ban stand
seattletimes.com

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gocart mozart  May 26, 2022 • 10:05:23am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 26, 2022 • 10:05:32am

In 1979, the Boomtown Rats wrote a song about school shootings because it was unique’ish. Now it’s just another day ending in Y.

Youtube Video

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lawhawk  May 26, 2022 • 10:06:00am

re: #269 The Pie Overlord!

Cops change their story AGAIN to cover their massive fuckup.

[Embedded content]

So, the evolving story is that the cops were heroic and tried to stop the shooter, failed, then waited 40 minutes to enter the building to find that the shooter murdered the entire classroom? That’s the story they’re going with?

Guess that means the good guys failed to stop the bad guy, despite outnumbering the bad guy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 10:06:05am

re: #268 Barefoot Grin

And I recall all the Campus Crusade for Christ yahoos coming along at the turn of the 80’s with their “America is a Christian Nation” talking points.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 10:07:49am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

They would never stoop to regulating private sexual morality, or else purchases of dildos would be illegal here in Alabama.

…What was that?…

High court lets Alabama sex-toy ban stand
seattletimes.com

You have to wonder how dildo-obsessed a state legislator has to be to put all that time and work into drafting and promulgating such a bill.

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Decatur Deb  May 26, 2022 • 10:09:26am

re: #275 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You have to wonder hos dildo-obsessed a state legislator has to be to put all that time and work into drafting and promulgating such a bill.

Has a weird vibe about it.

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sagehen  May 26, 2022 • 10:11:32am

re: #262 Hecuba’s daughter

Is it because the students were Hispanic that they didn’t care? That some might have been undocumented or their parents undocumented? Is that the reason or is it just that the force is incompetent, rather than malicious?

apparently it’s a super-stable town of long-time residents. These kids’ grandparents went to the same elementary school. Everyone’s known everyone their whole lives.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 26, 2022 • 10:14:11am

re: #271 gocart mozart

Hope they live long enough to vote.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  May 26, 2022 • 10:14:34am

midday reality cleanse

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2022 • 10:20:50am

re: #276 Decatur Deb

Has a weird vibe about it.

A sick-sex-obsessed person. Some people express their obsession through indulgence, others engage in rejection and revulsion.

Which is healthier?

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 10:23:59am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

They would never stoop to regulating private sexual morality, or else purchases of dildos would be illegal here in Alabama.

…What was that?…

High court lets Alabama sex-toy ban stand
seattletimes.com

My back of envelope math says that we could send a dildo to every woman between 18 and 65 in Alabama for about 15 million dollars. GiveSendGo would be the most amusing place to raise the money. I know some guys are into that sort of thing as well, but I don’t know how to identify them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 26, 2022 • 10:24:46am
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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 10:27:07am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Pie Overlord!  May 26, 2022 • 10:28:48am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 26, 2022 • 10:28:50am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

America is NOT the safest country on earth, you choad.

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Belafon  May 26, 2022 • 10:29:37am

re: #284 The Pie Overlord!

Points for calling out Republicans.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 10:30:36am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

America is NOT the safest country on earth, you choad.

It’s also not the most desirable destination.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 26, 2022 • 10:31:13am

Uvalde shooting claims another life.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 10:35:10am

re: #288 The Pie Overlord!

Uvalde shooting claims another life.

He may have stopped taking his medication because of the despair this shooter caused him when the monster destroyed his life.

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DodgerFan1988  May 26, 2022 • 10:35:38am

re: #254 lawhawk

RIP Ray Liotta

deadline.com

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Dangerman  May 26, 2022 • 10:36:23am

Just got a Dove chocolate candy. Inside the wrapper:

When life isn’t going right, go left.

Hear, hear!

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No Malarkey!  May 26, 2022 • 10:39:32am

re: #250 Eclectic Cyborg

This.

I get that the cops were afraid to confront a homicidal, heavily armed gunman. That’s why the “good guy with a gun” trope is false. We need to deny guns to the bad guys so this scenario doesn’t keep happening. But we won’t, and it will.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 26, 2022 • 10:39:53am
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Decatur Deb  May 26, 2022 • 10:40:26am

re: #281 Crush White Nationalism

My back of envelope math says that we could send a dildo to every woman between 18 and 65 in Alabama for about 15 million dollars. GiveSendGo would be the most amusing place to raise the money. I know some guys are into that sort of thing as well, but I don’t know how to identify them.

A couple years ago I posted the story of the perverted commies here who mailed a dickstorm of them to the state Attorney General who tried to enforce it. He got a couple thousand at the office.
nallforgovernor.blogspot.com

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Dopamine Fish  May 26, 2022 • 10:41:38am

re: #292 No Malarkey!

I get that the cops were afraid to confront a homicidal, heavily armed gunman. That’s why the “good guy with a gun” trope is false. We need to deny guns to the bad guys so this scenario doesn’t keep happening. But we won’t, and it will.

So, uhhh, about that. Apparently they weren’t too afraid, as long as it was their own kids on the line: mediaite.com

Texas Department Public Safety spokesman Lt. Christopher Olivarez confirmed to a reporter during a live shot that police officers went into Robb Elementary School to get their own children during the massacre.

Amid outrage over reports that frantic families who complained about police inaction during the massacre were held back by police, a clip of a live interview with Olivarez from Tuesday has gone viral.

In the clip, Vanessa Croix of KENS 5 says she’s heard that police went into the school to get their own kids while the shooting was going on, asks Lt. Olivarez about it.

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ckkatz  May 26, 2022 • 10:45:37am

(Apparently the Sueddeutsche Zeitung.)

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sagehen  May 26, 2022 • 10:46:38am

re: #41 Crush White Nationalism

[Embedded content]

from upthread, bears repeating:

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Dave In Austin  May 26, 2022 • 10:52:34am

re: #260 Teukka

No

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John Hughes  May 26, 2022 • 11:30:53am

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Jesus would not have been crucified in the first place if he and his disciples had been properly armed.

Uh, about that:

With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

Sounds like they were well strapped to me. But someone thought it was not right.

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John Hughes  May 26, 2022 • 11:45:56am

re: #261 JC1

Doesn’t seem to be the case based on pictures and video.

Cops are mostly white even when they’re not.


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