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Dave In Austin  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:06:31am

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Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:09:53am
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dat_said  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:13:38am

Unfortunately, the rhetoric is as familiar as the chatter of Posse Comitatus in ND I occasionally heard while I was growing up there. Then Gordon Kahl killed two US Marshalls on a highway outside of Medina ND.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:13:38am

To the surprise of absolutely no one:

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Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:16:15am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:17:48am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Fucking enablers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:19:45am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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steve_davis  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:20:04am

re: #3 dat_said

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Unfortunately, the rhetoric is as familiar as the chatter of Posse Comitatus in ND I occasionally heard while I was growing up there. Then Gordon Kahl killed two US Marshalls on a highway outside of Medina ND.

season 4 of the Rockford Files, Jim is nearly killed by right-wing extremists because he is investigating members who framed him for a murder. And the funny thing is, in 1977, Hollywood rightly thought people with pro-gun bumper stickers on their cars might well be prone to violence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:21:29am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:22:30am

re: #8 steve_davis

season 4 of the Rockford Files, Jim is nearly killed by right-wing extremists because he is investigating members who framed him for a murder. And the funny thing is, in 1977, Hollywood rightly thought people with pro-gun bumper stickers on their cars might well be prone to violence.

“The Battle of Canoga Park”. That episode was directed by Ivan Dixon, of Hogan’s Heroes fame.

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:22:36am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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I repeat

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:24:51am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Twitter thinks this disgusting, vile tweet advocating violence “may be in the public’s interest,” so they’re not removing it.

Could this be related to the problem identified recently on ?Brian Stelter?: The January 6 committee broadcast of a video of the attack was removed from youtube because it spread the “Big Lie” without a refutation i.e., it included scenes of participants screaming about fraud in the election. So there is no way to show others what the actual outrage is.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:24:52am

re: #1 Dave In Austin

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Pretty cool, but Google can read text from images.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:26:17am

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

“The Battle of Canoga Park”. That episode was directed by Ivan Dixon, of Hogan’s Heroes fame.

I don’t remember that episode right off. But in the early 60’s we lived in Canoga Park for a while when dad moved us to LA for a while before coming back to PA. Lived in Glendale for a while also.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:29:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:32:02am
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No Malarkey!  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:32:47am

re: #11 Dangerman

I repeat

Thanks to the likes of McConnell and McCarthy, the modern GOP was utterly corrupt and stood for nothing. So the fascists stepped in to give it something to stand for, that, while depraved, is something.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:35:02am

re: #11 Dangerman

I also want to know who those idiots in the gear are.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:35:08am

re: #14 Eventual Carrion

I don’t remember that episode right off. But in the early 60’s we lived in Canoga Park for a while when dad moved us to LA for a while before coming back to PA. Lived in Glendale for a while also.

You’re kind of a neighbor, then. I’m from South Pasadena.

BTW, Ivan Dixon isn’t just famous for his work on Hogan’s Heroes or his work in directing a good many episodes of our fave TV shows. He also has the distinction of having had one of his feature films selected by the Library of Congress to be preserved in the National Film Registry.

en.wikipedia.org

I’ve seen the entire film on YouTube - it’s probably there if you look around. It falls into the Blaxploitation genre, but as Ivan Dixon himself put it, “…when United Artists screened the finished product and saw a Panavision version of political Armageddon, they were stunned.”

Like many films of that genre, it was a low-budget affair - and it shows. But it’s still one hell of a film and what it may not have in multi-million dollar production values it makes up for in more important ways. And we can thank Tim Reid (of WKRP in Cincinnati fame) for tracking down a negative of that film and getting it put on DVD.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:36:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:38:29am
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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:38:45am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

If we don’t let everyone know, he gets to share it among the violent types anyway. It’s better that everyone knows it. It should also be attached to why he’s not governor.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:41:10am

re: #17 No Malarkey!

Thanks to the likes of McConnell and McCarthy, the modern GOP was utterly corrupt and stood for nothing. So the fascists stepped in to give it something to stand for, that, while depraved, is something.

McConnell and McCarthy always stood for fascism; it’s just that they were not as vocal and as charismatic as Trump. They needed someone with the right personality to excite the base and promote their objectives. As I keep saying, the only difference in policy is that they are not as openly supportive of Putin as Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:49:35am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 10:51:17am
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Captain Ron  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:03:03am
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Eventual Carrion  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:03:57am

re: #26 Captain Ron

Truth hurts

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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:05:38am

re: #26 Captain Ron

They prefer to be called Maga Escorts.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:09:06am

re: #28 jaunte

They prefer to be called Maga Escorts.

They’re looking for their $130,000

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Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:09:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:13:14am
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No Malarkey!  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:15:56am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

I don’t see how Garland doesn’t take the evidence accumulated by the J6 Committee and take it to a Grand Jury. The notion that it will be hard to convict Trump because “he really believed his own lies” despite everyone except the lunatic fringe telling him they were lies is no excuse.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:17:52am

sure, jan…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:18:45am

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

sure, jan…

Big men, welders and fullbacks…

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A Three Hour Tour  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:19:47am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

If not on January 7th, Trump should’ve been arrested after the inauguration on January 20th en route to Mar-a-Lago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:20:00am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:20:07am

re: #28 jaunte

They prefer to be called Maga Escorts.

Trump Model Management staff.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:20:17am

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Big men, welders and fullbacks…

Never cried before in their lives.

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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:21:52am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think Trump Jr. is actually her finance.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:22:40am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:23:06am

re: #32 No Malarkey!

I don’t see how Garland doesn’t take the evidence accumulated by the J6 Committee and take it to a Grand Jury. The notion that it will be hard to convict Trump because “he really believed his own lies” despite everyone except the lunatic fringe telling him they were lies is no excuse.

Since when is ignorance of the law a valid justification for violation, anyway? Or does that excuse apply only to whites and Republicans?

Edited to correct.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:24:24am

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

You’re kind of a neighbor, then. I’m from South Pasadena.

BTW, Ivan Dixon isn’t just famous for his work on Hogan’s Heroes or his work in directing a good many episodes of our fave TV shows. He also has the distinction of having had one of his feature films selected by the Library of Congress to be preserved in the National Film Registry.

en.wikipedia.org

-snip-

And we can thank Tim Reid (of WKRP in Cincinnati fame) for tracking down a negative of that film and getting it put on DVD.

I put Tim Reid’s subsequent TV series “Frank’s Place” (well written by Hugh Wilson) in the same pantheon as WKRP.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:25:04am

re: #32 No Malarkey!

I don’t see how Garland doesn’t take the evidence accumulated by the J6 Committee and take it to a Grand Jury. The notion that it will be hard to convict Trump because “he really believed his own lies” despite everyone except the lunatic fringe telling him they were lies is no excuse.

They didn’t have any problems convicting this former cult leader….

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Unabogie  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:25:11am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I’m currently serving a week’s suspension on Twitter after responding to Tom Massie proposing a bill to allow raw milk to be sold. I said I was all in favor of his followers poisoning themselves with that crap, which Twitter says means I was threatening those people with violence.

I guess I’m not as important as Greitens so my offense is not in the public interest.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:26:51am

re: #42 BeenHereAwhile

I put Tim Reid’s subsequent TV series “Frank’s Place” (well written by Hugh Wilson) in the same pantheon as WKRP.

That was a damn good show and they pulled the plug on that one way too soon.

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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:27:06am
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No Malarkey!  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:28:52am

re: #41 Hecuba’s daughter

Since when is ignorance of the law a valid justification for violation, anyway? Or does that excuse apply only to whites and Republicans?

Edited to correct.

Some crimes have a “knowingly” element which must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That can be inferred, for example, by your AG and your campaign manager telling you the fraud allegations are bullshit.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:32:54am

re: #46 jaunte

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:33:29am
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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:33:31am
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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:36:40am

re: #32 No Malarkey!

I don’t see how Garland doesn’t take the evidence accumulated by the J6 Committee and take it to a Grand Jury. The notion that it will be hard to convict Trump because “he really believed his own lies” despite everyone except the lunatic fringe telling him they were lies is no excuse.

That’s for the Grand jury and later the trial jury
Its not a reason not to move forward

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:37:28am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe Mr. Cardenas there doesn’t remember, or hasn’t read about, 1968 in the ol’ USA. I’ve seen and read enough to get the feeling that at least in that particular year, it really looked (on the surface, at least) like America was coming apart at the seams.

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:37:30am

re: #35 A Three Hour Tour

If not on January 7th, Trump should’ve been arrested after the inauguration on January 20th en route to Mar-a-Lago.

…after he was found with the boxes of secret documents

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:39:24am

re: #44 Unabogie

I’m currently serving a week’s suspension on Twitter after responding to Tom Massie proposing a bill to allow raw milk to be sold. I said I was all in favor of his followers poisoning themselves with that crap, which Twitter says means I was threatening those people with violence.

I guess I’m not as important as Greitens so my offense is not in the public interest.

You weren’t pictured holding a gun
They’re sacred

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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:41:44am

re: #44 Unabogie

I got a week suspension once when Dan Crenshaw was throwing a twitter fit about something and I suggested he stamp his little foot and hold his breath until he turned blue. “Encouraging self-harm.”

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:43:58am

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:44:01am

re: #32 No Malarkey!

I don’t see how Garland doesn’t take the evidence accumulated by the J6 Committee and take it to a Grand Jury. The notion that it will be hard to convict Trump because “he really believed his own lies” despite everyone except the lunatic fringe telling him they were lies is no excuse.

Garland told the committee to give him everything they have last week (“needed because of continuing investigations”), and the committee is going to do it, if they haven’t already.

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:44:54am

re: #56 Dangerman

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Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:45:50am

Secret Santa strikes again (and it isn’t even Christmas), donating a one-year ad-free subscription to… Barefoot Grin! Please enjoy.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:46:19am

re: #35 A Three Hour Tour

If not on January 7th, Trump should’ve been arrested after the inauguration on January 20th en route to Mar-a-Lago.

I agree in principle, but what would you have charged him with, and how would you make it stick?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:49:22am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:50:23am

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Secret Santa strikes again (and it isn’t even Christmas), donating a one-year ad-free subscription to… Barefoot Grin! Please enjoy.

Thank you, Secret Santa. And thank you, Charles Johnson, for a great source of discussion and variety of information.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:52:54am

The Repugs will suddenly become peaceful and start opposing violence again after a few thousand of them are killed in the massive outburst of vigilantism and terrorism they are trying to talk themselves into committing. They are betting on violence and they are going to lose. Oops, AR-15 not an ultimate weapon after all, not even against fellow civilians who happen to be more intelligent than you are by a good margin.
Once this is over, the leaders need to prosecuted and punished to the full extent of US and international law.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:53:02am

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not only could they teach art and drama, but they wouldn’t take crap from anyone.

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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:54:53am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 20, 2022 • 11:55:26am

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have this glorious vision of taco trucks operated by top drag queens fanning out to occupy the whole country.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:00:00pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

I have this glorious vision of taco trucks operated by top drag queens fanning out to occupy the whole country.

I see a great idea for Ru Paul’s next season.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:01:31pm

re: #65 jaunte

I predict women will be going to prison for having abortions, and it will start as early as this year.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:02:34pm

re: #68 No Malarkey!

Unfortunately I see that too. :(

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sagehen  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:03:03pm

re: #57 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

Garland told the committee to give him everything they have last week (“needed because of continuing investigations”), and the committee is going to do it, if they haven’t already.

He didn’t really want “everything”; he asked for that because if he was specific about what he really wanted, people would be able to figure out who the secret grand jury and secret investigations are near to charging.

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A Cranky One  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:14:51pm

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:16:35pm

Bargain bin pepperoni flat bread with a few add-ons. Just the right size for a single person lunch. Actually turned out pretty well. *YUM*

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Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:17:59pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

I have this glorious vision of taco trucks operated by top drag queens fanning out to occupy the whole country.

Is there a mariachi soundtrack?

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Florida Panhandler  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:18:20pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

The really scary part comes after the hard right victory, all political enemies crushed and total autocracy is imposed and they have to actually govern without Democrat help…

… and they have absolutely no clue how to govern except how to keep targeting the next problem demographic for oppression. After all taxes are abolished, after all no-bid contract handouts and land giveaways to the rich are exhausted, there comes a point where even the most diehard middle class MAGA type has to wonder why they continue to struggle more and more while state news Fox News, CNN, NYT, et Al. Say everything is perfect in our new Libertarian USA Utopia.

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ericblair  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:18:36pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:18:52pm

re: #72 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Bargain bin pepperoni flat bread with a few add-ons. Just the right size for a single person lunch. Actually turned out pretty well. *YUM*

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Assuming the lack of pineapple was a simple oversight…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:19:39pm
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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:20:41pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:21:41pm

re: #76 Decatur Deb

Assuming the lack of pineapple was a simple oversight…

Sadly no. I just didn’t have any on hand.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:22:13pm

re: #78 jaunte

Gretins: I will never sign that pledge, and I will hunt any RINO that does!

Crowd: YAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!

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Jay C  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:22:34pm

Public Service announcement from Jay C and the New York Times:

When Customers Say Their Money Was Stolen on Zelle, Banks Often Refuse to Pay

Embarrassing confession behind the tags:

This article hit home for me, because we were the victims of a Zelle-fueled sting last month: losing $999 to a telephone scamster. By way of vague “rationale”; Mrs. Jay (who was the actual target), had gotten some weird emails earlier purporting to be from Amazon, “confirming” delivery of items she had never ordered. I took care of it as usual, calling Amazon Customer Service, and forwarding them the copies of the emails (nothing like any real communications), and thought it was done. So when we got a phone message claiming to be from “Amazon Fraud Department” supposedly relating to more questionable charges, I wasn’t as suspicious as I might have been (and usually am). Long story short: I was induced to set up Zelle and make a transfer before I caught on. And, as in the examples the NYT provides, our bank (BofA/US Trust) “investigated” the matter, and sent me a letter refusing to do anything, as I had (ostensible) done everything properly, myself. Live and learn, I guess…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:24:48pm

Grrr. I forgot there was no mail delivery today.

Guess I’ll need to rearrange some plans for tomorrow.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:25:36pm

re: #81 Jay C

Public Service announcement from Jay C and the New York Times:

When Customers Say Their Money Was Stolen on Zelle, Banks Often Refuse to Pay

Embarrassing confession behind the tags:

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OUCH!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:27:34pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:31:32pm
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ckkatz  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:33:54pm

re: #81 Jay C

Yes, definitely OUCH! So sorry to hear that!

One additional way I try to protect myself is to avoid, when possible, companies where I may not always be able to tell the difference between the company and the fraudsters.

The object is to reduce the amount of mental energy and focus I am required to waste analyzing an infinite number of random email claims.

I understand that in some cases it is difficult. But there is also a feeling of lightness that when on gets an email from an entity that one purposely does not do business with, one can basically know that any claims in it are fraudulent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:34:47pm
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darthstar  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:35:33pm

Timing is everything.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:37:31pm

re: #81 Jay C

Public Service announcement from Jay C and the New York Times:

When Customers Say Their Money Was Stolen on Zelle, Banks Often Refuse to Pay

Embarrassing confession behind the tags:

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I signed up for Zelle through my bank because a friend was taking that rather than something like Venmo/PayPal. Then, a year later, they started charging a dollar for each transaction, so I have stopped using it.

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ckkatz  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:40:32pm

re: #75 ericblair

It may be, perhaps remotely, possible that some of the concerns about Artificial Intelligence may not be due to displaced anxiety of white males hating on women and people of color.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:44:48pm

re: #90 ckkatz

It may be, perhaps remotely, possible that some of the concerns about Artificial Intelligence may not be due to displaced anxiety of white males hating on women and people of color.

Personally, I’ve always thought of A.I. as sort of masculine, but that’s because I remember having the living hell scared outta me watching Colossus: The Forbin Project when I was about 11 years old or so.

The prototype for James Cameron’s Skynet - and I’d be willing to wager a couple bucks that Cameron saw that film in his younger years and the idea of Colossus stuck with him.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:46:23pm

About that soup I was talking about yesterday.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:47:52pm

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I’ve always thought of A.I. as sort of masculine, but that’s because I remember having the living hell scared outta me watching Colossus: The Forbin Project when I was about 11 years old or so.

The prototype for James Cameron’s Skynet - and I’d be willing to wager a couple bucks that Cameron saw that film in his younger years and the idea of Colossus stuck with him.

With a side-trip to Demon Seed.

imdb.com

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sagehen  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:49:19pm

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I’ve always thought of A.I. as sort of masculine, but that’s because I remember having the living hell scared outta me watching Colossus: The Forbin Project when I was about 11 years old or so.

I’ve always thought of A.I. as Hal. I don’t trust him, Dave.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:50:29pm

While we’re on AI:

Do you say “please” and “thank you” to Siri and Alexa? Whichever answer has implications for future approaches both to machines and people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:51:33pm

re: #89 Belafon

Most money transfer services will take a cut for the privilege. At least that has been my experience.

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wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:51:58pm

I wordled. Now I gotta go to work.

Wordle 366 4/6

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:51:59pm

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I’ve always thought of A.I. as sort of masculine, but that’s because I remember having the living hell scared outta me watching Colossus: The Forbin Project when I was about 11 years old or so.

The prototype for James Cameron’s Skynet - and I’d be willing to wager a couple bucks that Cameron saw that film in his younger years and the idea of Colossus stuck with him.

My personal view on AI is that if we get into conflict with it, it will be more like “Second Renaissance” in the Animatrix than Terminator.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:52:03pm
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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:52:50pm

re: #96 Eclectic Cyborg

Most money transfer services will take a cut for the privilege. At least that has been my experience.

Venmo doesn’t for personal transfers.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:54:46pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

re: #94 sagehen

Yeah, Proteus from Demon Seed and HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey. Both fine cautionary sci-fi examples of A.I. gone horribly wrong.

Anyone remember this bad boy?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:56:04pm

re: #98 Belafon

My personal view on AI is that if we get into conflict with it, it will be more like “Second Renaissance” in the Animatrix than Terminator.

And that right there is the only follow-up to The Matrix that we ever needed.

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ckkatz  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:57:05pm

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I’ve always thought of A.I. as sort of masculine, but that’s because I remember having the living hell scared outta me watching Colossus: The Forbin Project when I was about 11 years old or so.

The prototype for James Cameron’s Skynet - and I’d be willing to wager a couple bucks that Cameron saw that film in his younger years and the idea of Colossus stuck with him.

It’s an interesting question.

There is an online comic that is occasionally posted here.

(Grr… Name escapes me right now. And xkcd is down so I cannot check. But I have read much of it and enjoy it.)

It has AI characters. But they are displayed as human with many shared human experiences, human characteristics and human goals. This is obviously considered sympathetic by the readership.

In my mind, I view a complex and aware AI as alien to our frames of view. It has different processes than humans. It has different goals. It may have different ways to communicate. And what it communicates is different than what humans would communicate.

The closest frame I can think of is Heinlein’s ‘bugs’.

I’m not saying that it would be ‘evil’. More likely that it would be in a completely different moral chart altogether.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:58:04pm

re: #103 ckkatz

It’s an interesting question.

There is an online comic that is occasionally posted here.

(Grr… Name escapes me right now. An xkcd is down so I cannot check. But I have read much of it and enjoy it.)

It has AI characters. But they are displayed as human with many shared human experiences, human characteristics and human goals. This is obviously considered sympathetic by the readership.

In my mind, I view a complex and aware AI as alien to our frames of view. It has different processes than humans. It has different goals. It may have different ways to communicate. And what it communicates is different than what humans would communicate.

The closest frame I can think of is Heinlein’s ‘bugs’.

I’m not saying that it would be ‘evil’. More likely that it would be in a completely different moral chart altogether.

questionablecontent.net

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2022 • 12:59:45pm

re: #103 ckkatz

Or maybe A.I. will be like Project 2501 from Ghost in the Shell:

(in private tag because may be NSFW)

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ckkatz  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:00:55pm

re: #104 Belafon

questionablecontent.net

Bingo! That’s the one. Thanks!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:01:14pm

re: #103 ckkatz

Questionable Content?

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:02:56pm

re: #106 ckkatz

Bingo! That’s the one. Thanks!

We built the robots, welcomed them into the world, and then said rent is due next month.

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HypnoToad  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:03:13pm

re: #103 ckkatz

Freefall is a webcomic that has numerous robotic AI characters, nearly all benign. Florence Ambrose is a particularly nice biologically based AI character!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:08:58pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:09:13pm

My first exposure to robots (and sci-fi) c1951. Dumont television network:

Youtube Video

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:11:50pm
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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:12:06pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

A storm of epic proportions is brewing. I see it daily. In candidates’ ads, in speeches at school bds, even in stores. America is headed for civil unrest unlike anything that we have witnessed and i dont know that there are enough courageous people willing to do anything about it

— Al Cardenas (@AlCardenasFL_DC) June 20, 2022

…Where to begin…
Anyone who has lived in S FL and followed its politics for the past 50 years knows (tho they may not admit it) the separate [nullification] domestic and foreign policies practiced by S FL Republicans aligned in the 1980’s with other like minded domestic political wannabes.
Al, what’s your plan now?

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(((Archangel1)))  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:13:45pm

Kinda saw it coming, but still…

Iframe

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:18:54pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

I have this glorious vision of taco trucks operated by top drag queens fanning out to occupy the whole country.

Priscilla, Queen of the Taco trucks

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:19:41pm

re: #111 Decatur Deb

My first exposure to robots (and sci-fi) c1951. Dumont television network:

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different Tobor

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ckkatz  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:20:49pm

Regarding the question of how to analyze alien/Postmodern frames of reference.

Years ago, I listened to what I found was a quite interesting set of Philosophy lectures on the response to the question Postmodernist ethics.

As a spoiler, the answer is “The Golden Rule”.

Btw, It also applies in our current political atmosphere.

For the curious, the course, which is likely available through your public library, was:

Quest for Meaning: Values, Ethics, and the Modern Experience
Robert H. Kane, Ph.D. Professor, The University of Texas at Austin

thegreatcourses.com

Of course, then Heinlein posed the question: “What if the bugs threw humans out of a spaceship into space, because that is how they treat their own population.” Is that honoring the Golden Rule?

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:23:12pm

re: #117 ckkatz

What if you don’t mind being treated rudely?

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:23:38pm

re: #114 (((Archangel1)))

Kinda saw it coming, but still…

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i think i read somewhere this AM that part of this is because of the failure to pass legislation extending “emergency” regulations over Jewish citizens in the West Bank.
regs were due to expire at EOM.
dissolving the Knesset tables the automatic expiration.

dont quote me

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:25:55pm

re: #119 Dangerman

rando:

i think i read somewhere this AM that part of this is because of the failure to pass legislation extending “emergency” regulations over Jewish citizens in the West Bank.
regs were due to expire at EOM.
dissolving the Knesset tables the automatic expiration.

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A Cranky One  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:27:38pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:28:05pm

re: #120 Belafon

rando:

i think i read somewhere this AM that part of this is because of the failure to pass legislation extending “emergency” regulations over Jewish citizens in the West Bank.
regs were due to expire at EOM.
dissolving the Knesset tables the automatic expiration.

Let’s not forget the whole coalition was cobbled by politicians who had NOTHING in common except their hatred of Netanyahu. Of course they couldn’t govern.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:28:16pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:28:23pm

re: #114 (((Archangel1)))

Yeah, that’s a major problem in a parliamentary system. If the ruling party or coalition can’t get its shit together, the government fails and it’s back to the polls again.

If this happens a few times over in a short span, things can get a bit testy.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:30:37pm

re: #121 A Cranky One

AI still has a lot to learn.

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ckkatz  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:31:02pm

re: #118 Belafon

What if you don’t mind being treated rudely?

Ha! Different cultural norms are always interesting.

My brother went to Columbia University in New York City. When, after his first year there, he came back to Pittsburgh for summer break, he asked me “Why is everybody staring at me?”. And, nope, nobody was, at least in Pittsburgh terms, staring at him.

But yes, the hypocrisy of many, particularly on the right is the “I do not have to respect your humanity or beliefs. But you have to respect my humanity and beliefs” attitude.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:31:13pm

Tomorrow’s Wordle is a classic failed multi-choice test.

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Orange Impostor  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:31:22pm

re: #121 A Cranky One

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Well, to be fair, they didn’t say that AI would destroy the world on purpose, now did they?
I’m still of the opinion that mankind’s last word will be “Oops!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:31:37pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:32:28pm

It is also the starting point for one of the greatest dad jokes in history.

Roy had a brand new pair of shoes. He goes to visit his friend. Being polite, he removed his shoes and leaves them at the door. While visiting with his friend, the friend’s cat discovers Roys new shoes, likes the smell and proceeds to chew them up. Roy goes ballistic. The friend, feeling very bad, has a dilemma: he has two cats. One of the cats enters the room at that moment. The friend then asks: Pardon me Roy, is that the cat that chewed your new shoes?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:35:13pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:36:22pm

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darthstar  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:40:14pm

re: #114 (((Archangel1)))

Kinda saw it coming, but still…

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Bringing back Bibi?They’ll never learn.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:40:26pm

re: #128 Orange Impostor

Well, to be fair, they didn’t say that AI would destroy the world on purpose, now did they?
I’m still of the opinion that mankind’s last word will be “Oops!”

I’m reminded of the last lines in Colossus: The Forbin Project, where World Control says, “You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple.”

Brilliant screenplay and what a way to end a film.

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:40:40pm

re: #120 Belafon

people are saying:

part of this is because of the failure to pass legislation extending “emergency” regulations over Jewish citizens in the West Bank.
regs were due to expire at EOM.
dissolving the Knesset tables the automatic expiration

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steve_davis  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:41:02pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Big men, welders and fullbacks…

binders full of them.

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darthstar  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:42:45pm

With those eyes I’m surprised she could look at the camera.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:45:32pm

re: #134 Dr Lizardo

I’m reminded of the last lines in Colossus: The Forbin Project, where World Control says, “You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple.”

Brilliant screenplay and what a way to end a film.

IIRC, the last line from the human was “Never”.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:48:40pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

IIRC, the last line from the human was “Never”.

Yeah, you’re right. Spoken by Eric Braeden.

Time to call it a day - have a good one Lizards and stay healthy.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:49:38pm

re: #111 Decatur Deb

My first exposure to robots (and sci-fi) c1951. Dumont television network:

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While already reading Heinlein - watched “The Adventures of 3-D Danny” ~1950s while wondering if this was a new form of comedy on a local FL TV station.

ISTR a fight between 3D and some villain in one episode, and they kicked a hole in the wall of “the impregnable fortress” in which 3D was held captive.

imdb.com

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Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:50:18pm

I was shocked to learn that our small town library offers Kanopy streaming. the list is amazing. We’re going to start with an update of Prokofiev’s Romeo and Juliet, danced in a future insane asylum for lovers.

imdb.com

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Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:52:19pm

re: #140 BeenHereAwhile

While already reading Heinlein - watched this ~1950s while wondering if this was a new form of comedy on a local FL TV station.

ISTR a fight between 3D and some villain in one episode, and they kicked a hole in the wall of “the impregnable fortress” in which 3D was held captive.

imdb.com

Looks like the same special effects director.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:52:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 1:56:47pm
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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:01:37pm

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

One of my favorite train songs is Randy Newman’s Dixie Flyer:

“…Her own mother came to meet us at the station
Her dress as black as a crow in a coal mine
She cried when her little girl got off the train
Her brothers and her sisters came down from Jackson, Mississippi
In a great green Hudson driven by a Gentile they knew
Drinkin’ rye whiskey from a flask in the back seat
Tryin’ to do like the Gentiles do
Christ, they wanted to be Gentiles, too
Who wouldn’t down there, wouldn’t you
An American Christian, God damn”

google.com

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:03:20pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

IIRC, the last line from the human was “Never”.

Things change a lot in the later books of the trilogy.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:05:07pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

If that is chaos I would hate to see what organization is.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:09:09pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s a surge of BS.

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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:12:21pm
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mmmirele  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:14:36pm

1) I tested positive for COVID on a rapid test.
2) I went to the urgent care to see if I could get Paxlovid, but nope, because of two drug interactions.
2a) They did a PCR test, I’ll have the results of that in a couple of days.
3) I was offered monoclonal antibodies but declined because I just don’t feel sick enough to want to haul myself down to an infusion center.
4) Obviously I’m keeping an eye on things and will haul myself to the hospital if I start feeling truly awful.

Based on incubation periods, I must have picked it up here in Mesa. So no, I can’t blame it on the plague rats at Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, CA. It’s all on me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:14:44pm
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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:15:51pm
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Jack Burton in Mactified Forshion  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:16:04pm

re: #81 Jay C

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:16:05pm

re: #150 mmmirele

I hope you have a very speedy recovery and no lingering side effects.

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:17:03pm

re: #150 mmmirele

1) I tested positive for COVID on a rapid test.
2) I went to the urgent care to see if I could get Paxlovid, but nope, because of two drug interactions.
2a) They did a PCR test, I’ll have the results of that in a couple of days.
3) I was offered monoclonal antibodies but declined because I just don’t feel sick enough to want to haul myself down to an infusion center.
4) Obviously I’m keeping an eye on things and will haul myself to the hospital if I start feeling truly awful.

Based on incubation periods, I must have picked it up here in Mesa. So no, I can’t blame it on the plague rats at Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, CA. It’s all on me.

sure you can //

seriously, hope it either turns out to be false positive or the symptoms are mild and no lasting effects

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nines09  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:17:05pm

Just driving by to say hello good people.
Loved Neil Young from first listen.
I revisit old Neil from time to time and every once in a while a gem is exposed.
A gem.

Youtube Video

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Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:17:19pm
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Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:18:10pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:18:39pm
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(((Archangel1)))  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:19:23pm

re: #119 Dangerman

It was basically the last straw in a series of events, but it’s one that really forced their hand.
Political drama inside the Bennett-Lapid unity government left them with a razor-tight margin for votes, and the Netanyahu-led Opposition decided to go against it just to spite the right side of the Coalition and try to hurt them politically (cut the nose to spite the face style).

There’s a reason why this has never been an issue in more than 50 years, and it’s because it’d be a bad thing from every perspective if the regulations were to expire.
It would have turned the regions into lawless zones where police and national organizations would have no authority or jurisdiction. Jewish settlers and Arabs alike could not be tried for crimes, police wouldn’t be able to investigate or arrest anyone in the region for any reason, and state authorities wouldn’t be able to serve citizens living there. It would further hurt resident left-wing Arab Israelis and right-wing Jewish Israelis alike, make it impossible for hundreds of thousands of them to vote in elections, and more.

Bibi’s Likud party got in hot water over it and other decisions in recent weeks, and will absolutely face the wrath of many more within the Israeli right. And having effectively lost four elections in a row, it’s not like Netanyahu had it easy before.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:19:40pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:20:51pm

re: #150 mmmirele

1) I tested positive for COVID on a rapid test.
2) I went to the urgent care to see if I could get Paxlovid, but nope, because of two drug interactions.
2a) They did a PCR test, I’ll have the results of that in a couple of days.
3) I was offered monoclonal antibodies but declined because I just don’t feel sick enough to want to haul myself down to an infusion center.
4) Obviously I’m keeping an eye on things and will haul myself to the hospital if I start feeling truly awful.

Based on incubation periods, I must have picked it up here in Mesa. So no, I can’t blame it on the plague rats at Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, CA. It’s all on me.

Don’t be so tough that you blow the monoclonal window. It really makes a difference if you need it.

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retired cynic  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:23:51pm

re: #150 mmmirele

Doggone! Take care of yourself!

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:24:05pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

RINOs!

It made me wonder about the people that guy would go after.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:26:16pm

re: #158 Amory Blaine

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More like we lost the Civil war.

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:28:44pm

re: #152 jaunte

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can we stop all this ‘hero’ idiocy now?

there were DOZENS and DOZENS of people who could have blown the whistle on this.
NONE did. Profiles in cowardice, all of them.

And Pence was the highest ranking one.
Second in the country only to the guy orchestrating the coup.

OK, Pence wouldnt 25A. That’s (partially) why DeVos and Chao quit.
Mulvaney and others too.
(and yet again they all stayed SILENT).

OK, so no 25th.
Pence could have resigned himself.
Yeah so Nancy’s 2nd in line for two weeks. Big deal.

He could have stayed, and just gone public.
He didn’t do either of these things because we KNOW he wasn’t thinking of the country.
He was thinking of his own political future, no matter how deluded he was, and still is, about it.

So in review, he did nothing at all.

fucking coward.

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sagehen  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:30:10pm

re: #145 jaunte

One of my favorite train songs is Randy Newman’s Dixie Flyer:

google.com

midnight train to Georgia

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ckkatz  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:32:04pm

re: #150 mmmirele

Oh no!

Please take care of yourself!

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:32:58pm

re: #160 (((Archangel1)))

It was basically the last straw in a series of events, but it’s one that really forced their hand.
Political drama inside the Bennett-Lapid unity government left them with a razor-tight margin for votes, and the Netanyahu-led Opposition decided to go against it just to spite the right side of the Coalition and try to hurt them politically (cut the nose to spite the face style).

There’s a reason why this has never been an issue in more than 50 years, and it’s because it’d be a bad thing from every perspective if the regulations were to expire.
It would have turned the regions into lawless zones where police and national organizations would have no authority or jurisdiction. Jewish settlers and Arabs alike could not be tried for crimes, police wouldn’t be able to investigate or arrest anyone in the region for any reason, and state authorities wouldn’t be able to serve citizens living there. It would further hurt resident left-wing Arab Israelis and right-wing Jewish Israelis alike, make it impossible for hundreds of thousands of them to vote in elections, and more.

Bibi’s Likud party got in hot water over it and other decisions in recent weeks, and will absolutely face the wrath of many more within the Israeli right. And having effectively lost four elections in a row, it’s not like Netanyahu had it easy before.

thx
+1

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William Lewis  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:34:00pm

re: #167 sagehen

Wabash Cannonball

Youtube Video

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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:34:12pm

“…Among the arguments provided by government entities for withholding such documents is one from DPS stating that releasing records like footage from body cameras would provide criminals with “invaluable information” about its investigative techniques1, information sharing2 and criminal analysis3.”

1. Standing around during the crime
2. Hiding all information from the public
3. Analyzing how to to it more efficiently after the next mass shooting

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:34:51pm

re: #150 mmmirele

Given how contagious the omicron variants are, we are all likely to get it at some time, at least until they finally have a vaccine that targets the newest strains. Hopefully, like all those I know who have gotten ill and have been vaccinated/boosted, you will be fully recovered in a few days (well — took my BIL about 10).

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:35:46pm

re: #167 sagehen

midnight train to Georgia

YouTube

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Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:35:51pm

re: #74 Florida Panhandler

It will switch to “sacrifices to be made for the glory of the fatherland “.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:42:46pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:45:00pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And (to belabor a theme) where are the taco trucks? I was told there would be taco trucks.

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EPR-radar  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:48:43pm

re: #158 Amory Blaine

The ordinary people of America did lose the Cold War. Once the USSR was gone, the US plutocracy decided to make all of that old Soviet propaganda about capitalism come true.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:48:53pm

re: #150 mmmirele

Take care and isolate. If shit gets weird, we can be your messenger.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:49:59pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

I was shocked to learn that our small town library offers Kanopy streaming. the list is amazing. We’re going to start with an update of Prokofiev’s Romeo and Juliet, danced in a future insane asylum for lovers.

imdb.com

I get that through my work. It’s a really good resource.

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Moe Avattar  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:51:08pm

re: #176 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Last I saw, the taco truck was outside the roller derby.

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ckkatz  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:52:54pm
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sagehen  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:54:22pm

re: #176 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

And (to belabor a theme) where are the taco trucks? I was told there would be taco trucks.

we were told if Hillary won there’d be taco trucks. She didn’t, ergo.

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retired cynic  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:54:32pm

Native American tribes to co-manage national monument for first time
washingtonpost.com

The Interior Department’s Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service signed the cooperative agreement on Saturday with five tribes that have inhabited the region surrounding Bears Ears National Monument for centuries: the Hopi Tribe, the Navajo Nation, the Ute Mountain Ute Tribe, the Ute Indian Tribe of the Uintah and Ouray Reservation, and the Pueblo of Zuni.
“Today, instead of being removed from a landscape to make way for a public park, we are being invited back to our ancestral homelands to help repair them and plan for a resilient future,” Carleton Bowekaty, co-chair of the Bears Ears Commission and lieutenant governor of the Pueblo of Zuni, said in a statement.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:55:53pm

re: #183 retired cynic

Great news. I wish them success.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 20, 2022 • 2:57:17pm

re: #182 sagehen

we were told if Hillary won there’d be taco trucks. She didn’t, ergo.

Biden won though. He is the obvious heir of Hillary’s nefarious plans.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:01:41pm

Obligatory image of Repug immigrant convoy hallucination:

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ckkatz  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:05:02pm

On the artillery and long range front in Ukraine:

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Taken from Ukraine in 2014 -

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stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:07:46pm

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

This is the train song I have a soft spot for because it was a 45 that my mom had and listened to in the late 50’s.

Youtube Video

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sagehen  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:07:52pm

re: #185 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Biden won though. He is the obvious heir of Hillary’s nefarious plans.

not the taco part of it; he’s more a hot-dog cart and ice cream truck kind of guy.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:13:43pm

Another sad by-product of elevating Pence for his single act of courage is that now whenever he gives a speech we’ll have to hear his smarmy sanctimonious voice as if he’s at all a serious person and potential candidate.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:19:35pm
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retired cynic  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:23:09pm
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Romantic Heretic  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:28:19pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

What people like Greitens want is a bullet in the face, so they can die a martyr.

A goal I am happy to help them with.

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The Squire of Logos  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:29:16pm

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

It is also the starting point for one of the greatest dad jokes in history.

Good dad joke, and here’s a great train song.

Youtube Video

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:30:06pm

train song, live version from 1969:

Youtube Video

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:31:58pm

re: #190 Barefoot Grin

Another sad by-product of elevating Pence for his single act of courage is that now whenever he gives a speech we’ll have to hear his smarmy sanctimonious voice as if he’s at all a serious person and potential candidate.

The single time in his life he did something courageous after he contacted everyone respectable or esteemed in Republican to determine whether there was a way out — a way to defer to Trump’s evil design. Hear me out on this — a theory based on nothing — is it possible that it was “Mother”, after all, who persuaded him to do the right thing. I remember reading years ago that she detested Trump — maybe it was her fortitude rather than his that led to his finally following the advice of those who did not want revolution in the streets and an immediate overthrow of our Constitution.

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Florida Panhandler  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:32:47pm

re: #190 Barefoot Grin

Another sad by-product of elevating Pence for his single act of courage is that now whenever he gives a speech we’ll have to hear his smarmy sanctimonious voice as if he’s at all a serious person and potential candidate.

Pence seems eager to trot out his Christian beliefs whenever and wherever possible. It seems he’s forgotten a big time No-no about ” Bearing False Witness” by claiming Biden lies more than Trump.

I post the following from none other than Pat Robertson not to claim him as any sort of legitimate Biblical scholar, but to illustrate the proclivity of our hard right “Christians” to devalue or elevate any word or sentence in the Bible however it may serve their own narrow agendas. In this latest example of outright lying by Pence, let it be known either he or Pat Robertson is full of shit.

www1.cbn.com

A Christian might not be involved in drug addiction, drunkenness, fornication, adultery, or homosexuality, but a Christian may be big on slander and backbiting. I can think of no practice—other than deep-seated hatred and lack of forgiveness—that will so quickly cut off the blessing and power of God in a Christian’s life.

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retired cynic  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:33:00pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:34:14pm

A no-fun train song about the French-Algerian war.

Youtube Video

Why all these bugles crying
For squads of young men drilled
To kill and to be killed
And waiting by this train?
Why the orders loud and hoarse
Why the engine’s groaning cough
As it strains to drag us off
Into the holocaust?
Why crowds who sing and cry
And shout and fling us flowers
And trade their right for ours
To murder and to die?

The dove has torn her wings
So no more songs of love
We are not here to sing
We’re here to kill the dove

Why has this moment come
When childhood has to die
When hope shrinks to a sigh
And speech into a drum?
Why are they pale and still
Young boys trained overnight
Conscripts forced to fight
And dressed in gray to kill?
These rain clouds massing tight
This train load battle bound
This moving burial ground sent
Thundering toward the night

The dove has torn her wings
So no more songs of love
We are not here to sing
We’re here to kill the dove

Why statues towering brave
Above the last defeat
Old word and lies repeat
Across the new made grave?
Why the same still birth
That victory always brought
These hoards of glory bought
By men with mouths of earth?
Dead ash without a spark
Where cities glittered bright
For guns probe every light
And crush it in the dark

The dove has torn her wings
So no more songs of love
We are not here to sing
We’re here to kill the dove

And why your face undone
With jagged lines of tears
That gave in those first years
All peace I ever won?
Your body in the gloom
The platform fading back
Your shadow on the track
A flower on a tomb
And why these days ahead
When I must let you cry
And live prepared to die
As if our love were dead?

The dove has torn her wings
So no more songs of love
We are not here to sing
We’re here to kill the dove

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:37:48pm


Video
“Freight Train” by Elizabeth “Libba” Cotten

Elizabeth “Libba” Cotten (1895-1987) built her musical legacy on a firm foundation of late 19th- and early 20th-century African-American instrumental traditions and fine musicianship. She strung her guitar upside down, the bass notes to the bottom. This meant she would thumb the treble strings while finger-picking the bass notes, creating an almost inimitable sound. Her method was so influential it became known as the “Cotten style.” Watch this unique style in a performance of “Freight Train,” her best-known song, edited from film taken by Pete and Toshi Seeger at the Seeger family home in 1957.

Person writing that note is wrong…she did not restring the guitar upside down. As a lefty, she just played at guitar left-handed without re-stringing a righty guitar.

But the video at the link still is a national treasure.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:38:32pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:41:06pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

More Elizabeth Cotten at genius.com

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stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:41:37pm

re: #190 Barefoot Grin

Another sad by-product of elevating Pence for his single act of courage is that now whenever he gives a speech we’ll have to hear his smarmy sanctimonious voice as if he’s at all a serious person and potential candidate.

Does he even have another voice? I bet he talks to mother like that.

Edit: I just remembered his annoying talk show voice. That’s the one he uses with mother.

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ckkatz  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:46:29pm

Yet another train song. (Popular in the West Coast Swing Dance community.)

Youtube Video

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:47:05pm

re: #203 stpaulbear

Youtube Video

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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:47:08pm
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JC1  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:48:05pm

re: #81 Jay C

Public Service announcement from Jay C and the New York Times:

When Customers Say Their Money Was Stolen on Zelle, Banks Often Refuse to Pay

Embarrassing confession behind the tags:

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Ouch. Zelle and debit cards offer far less protection than credit cards when it comes to fraud. In the future, use a credit card or nothing. With a credit card you’d be responsible for at most 50 bucks, and most CC companies wave it anyway.

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jaunte  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:48:37pm

“…Emails revealed from the FOIA request show Vice Adm. Robert Burke, then the Navy’s Chief of Personnel, saying that if Greitens was not a civilian at the time of the allegations, the Navy would have prosecuted him under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

“Since he was in the IRR [Individual Ready Reserve] at the time, we had no recourse. If he were in the AC [active component], or even RC [reserve component] on active duty, we would have gone after Art 120 [Article 120 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, rape and sexual assault],” Burke wrote in an email dated May 24, 2019.”
lawandcrime.com

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dat_said  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:48:49pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

I was shocked to learn that our small town library offers Kanopy streaming. the list is amazing. We’re going to start with an update of Prokofiev’s Romeo and Juliet, danced in a future insane asylum for lovers.

imdb.com

Thanks. Just checked and our posh suburban library also offers Kanopy streaming. Our household is starting with something a little less sophisticated than your household - “The Secret Life of Walter Mitty” with Danny Kaye.

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stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:48:55pm

Here’s the Bloodrock DOA of train songs.

Youtube Video

Aww, they faded out the ending instead of the crescendo to a dead stop a la She’s So Heavy.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:50:42pm

The Train Song.

Youtube Video

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John Hughes  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:52:26pm

re: #90 ckkatz

If you enslave people is it rational to worry about the enslaved revolting and murdering you in your bed?

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ckkatz  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:56:52pm

Gordon Lightfoot also wrote a couple:

Youtube Video

There was a time in this fair land when the railroad did not run
When the wild majestic mountains stood alone against the sun
Long before the white man and long before the wheel
When the green dark forest was too silent to be real

.

Youtube Video

The songs of the wars are as old as the hills
They cling like the rust on the cold steel that kills
They tell of the boys who went down to the tracks
In a patriotic manner with the cold steel on their backs

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Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:57:15pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:58:47pm
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nines09  Jun 20, 2022 • 3:59:41pm

re: #210 stpaulbear

Savoy Brown had a sound and it was a lot like

Youtube Video

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nines09  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:01:26pm
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Jay C  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:05:27pm

re: #207 JC1

Ouch. Zelle and debit cards offer far less protection than credit cards when it comes to fraud. In the future, use a credit card or nothing. With a credit card you’d be responsible for at most 50 bucks, and most CC companies wave it anyway.

Thanks. Though using a credit card would not have helped in this case. The core problem seems to be (as the Times piece highlights) that Zelle seems to offer no protection at all. My instance was considered “my fault” as I *properly* set it up and made the transfer - some of the victims in the article didn’t even do that: and their banks were still unwilling to reverse anything out.

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dat_said  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:07:18pm

re: #192 retired cynic

The Chamberlain SD rest area is one of the best in the country. Besides the stunning statue of Dignity there’s a wonderful view of the Missouri River Valley, a little Lewis & Clark interpretive center including full scale replica of the 55ft keelboat, and a nice (often windy) picnic area and trail.

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BeachDem  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:09:14pm

re: #190 Barefoot Grin

Another sad by-product of elevating Pence for his single act of courage is that now whenever he gives a speech we’ll have to hear his smarmy sanctimonious voice as if he’s at all a serious person and potential candidate.

Jennifer Rubin:

Be careful about lionizing Jan. 6 witnesses. They failed to stop the insurrection.

Pence could have promptly conceded the race, even if Trump did not. He could have denounced the “big lie.” He could have gone to the FBI or spoken publicly about Trump’s pressure campaign.

She covers all the other sudden “heroes” and concludes:

One purpose of the hearings is to assign accountability for the coup attempt that culminated on Jan. 6. That should start with the long list of Republicans who failed to stop it when they had the chance.

washingtonpost.com

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stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:09:27pm

re: #216 nines09

Savoy Brown had a sound and it was a lot like

The first hockey barn concert I saw was The Grease Band, The Faces, and Savoy Brown. All three were good but Faces definitely won the night.
The eight-track player got stolen out of my parents car during the show.

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stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:11:44pm

Sorry that all of my train songs are bummers…

Youtube Video

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mmmirele  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:12:31pm

re: #68 No Malarkey!

I predict women will be going to prison for having abortions, and it will start as early as this year.

They’ve already gone to jail for abortions. The next step is states wanting to execute women who obtain abortions.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:14:04pm

re: #188 stpaulbear

This is the train song I have a soft spot for because it was a 45 that my mom had and listened to in the late 50’s.

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Video

Youtube Video

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:14:52pm
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nines09  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:16:22pm

re: #221 stpaulbear

Faces was one of the absolutely best live bands I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen bunches.

Ronnie Wood is a master.

One example.
Open E tuning.
Master class in simplicity and form.
They panned the mics. Live it killed.

Youtube Video

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:16:33pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:20:05pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

sure, jan…

Really. Big strong men who’ve never cried before, right?

Ron Johnson explains why he broke his promise to only run for two terms: “I didn’t want to do this .. but people are literally coming up to me with tears in their eyes, streaming down their cheeks saying, ‘You got to run. You got to help us save this country!”

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stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:28:08pm

re: #226 nines09

Faces was one of the absolutely best live bands I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen bunches.

Ronnie Wood is a master.

One example.
Open E tuning.
Master class in simplicity and form.
They panned the mics. Live it killed.

Yep, I went out looking for the album with that song the day after the concert. I bought two other albums before I found the right one. I still have all three plus a bunch more. I got to see them three times live in Minneapolis.
Ian McLagan said in an interview that that song drove him nuts because he has to come in at a very specific point late in the song. Everyone else drops out for him to play busy little solo lick. He didn’t always hit it right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:39:40pm

no trains, but still just guilty fun. I love these guys:

Youtube Video

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mmmirele  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:39:50pm

re: #162 Decatur Deb

Don’t be so tough that you blow the monoclonal window. It really makes a difference if you need it.

This feels like a cold. I felt much worse when I had bronchitis in January-February 2019. I am keeping an eye on it.

I am actually glad that I went out of town, because if I’d been in town yesterday, my mother would have expected me to come around to celebrate my birthday. And then I would be beating myself up about exposing her to Covid. So I don’t get to see her for a while, but that’s fine. I’m not giving her Covid.

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stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:42:34pm

I filled the birdbath this evening and I have made a blue jay very happy. He’s come back 3-4 times to splash away, but he gets annoyed when I watch him through the window. It got up to 100° this afternoon.

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nines09  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:44:10pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:51:20pm
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A Cranky One  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:57:25pm

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JC1  Jun 20, 2022 • 4:59:05pm

re: #218 Jay C

Thanks. Though using a credit card would not have helped in this case. The core problem seems to be (as the Times piece highlights) that Zelle seems to offer no protection at all. My instance was considered “my fault” as I *properly* set it up and made the transfer - some of the victims in the article didn’t even do that: and their banks were still unwilling to reverse anything out.

If you paid with credit card, you could have absolutely disputed the charge, and not been responsible for it. With a credit card it’s the bank’s money and responsibility. With a debit card or Zelle, it’s your money and the bank doesn’t legally have to do anything.

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darthstar  Jun 20, 2022 • 5:02:40pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2022 • 5:04:13pm

re: #237 darthstar

Oy. This is a mess. Keep in mind Texas always had the ability to do this.

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stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2022 • 5:07:29pm

re: #237 darthstar

Jesustan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 5:10:39pm

another train song:

Youtube Video

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darthstar  Jun 20, 2022 • 5:12:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 5:14:00pm

another train song

Youtube Video

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darthstar  Jun 20, 2022 • 5:16:16pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

another train song

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Video

Not a train song, per se, but it does open with the words “Play a fuckin’ train song!” Hank 3 with Hillbilly Jim - making it private as it’s offensive as shit…probably will never get live radio play.

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retired cynic  Jun 20, 2022 • 5:16:49pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

no trains, but still just guilty fun. I love these guys:

[Embedded content]

Video

Me, too!

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darthstar  Jun 20, 2022 • 5:17:39pm

re: #238 PhillyPretzel

Oy. This is a mess. Keep in mind Texas always had the ability to do this.

This would make Teslas an import.

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KingKenrod  Jun 20, 2022 • 5:24:15pm
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Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2022 • 5:25:31pm

re: #246 KingKenrod

[Embedded content]

One of my favorite albums. A classic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2022 • 5:32:36pm

re: #243 darthstar

Not a train song, per se, but it does open with the words “Play a fuckin’ train song!” Hank 3 with Hillbilly Jim - making it private as it’s offensive as shit…probably will never get live radio play.

[Embedded content]

offensive makes it authentic…

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2022 • 6:00:23pm

re: #238 PhillyPretzel

Oy. This is a mess. Keep in mind Texas always had the ability to do this.

Texas can vote to do it, but they can’t leave just on their vote.

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darthstar  Jun 21, 2022 • 9:33:28pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hello wrinkle butt


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