A Stunning New Lyric Video From Regina Spektor: “One Man’s Prayer”

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LYRICS:

I just want some girl to love me back
Tell me I’m her only
And take away the lonely
This deep love in my heart
Can’t got to waste
Cause if I won’t get to meet God
And I won’t get to be a god
Then at least God let me get loved back by a girl

I just want some girl to talk to me
And tell me that I’m different
Or say that I’m same
I don’t care what she thinks
Just think of me
Cause if I won’t get to meet God
And I won’t get to be a god
Then at least God let me get talked to by a girl

This is what I want
This is what I need
If I ask real nice
Will you give her to me
If I just say please
This is what I need
But if I can’t have that
Well then at least

I just want some girl to look my way
And see that I am better than the others
That I matter
In her life I want to be a friend
Cause if I won’t get to meet God
And I won’t get to be a god
Then at least God let me get noticed by a girl

In this great world
We just plan to live
But you can’t plan love
Love’s from above

And if I do have a choice
I’ll just put one foot in front of the other
I’ll say one word after another
In my voice
If I have a choice

I just want some girl beneath my feet
To tell me I’m her king
And then beg me for a ring
And I want her to be afraid of me
And think that I might leave her
And that I will not believe her

When she says that she loves
and cares for me
Cause if I won’t get to meet God
And I won’t get to be a god
Then at least God let me get worshipped by a girl

In this great world
We just plan to live
But you can’t plan love
Love’s from above

This is what I want
This is what I need
If I ask real nice
Will you give her to me
If I just say please
This is what I need
But if I can’t have that
Well then at least
This is what I want
This is what I say
And this is what I pray

#ReginaSpektor #OneMansPrayer #HomeBeforeandAfter

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334 comments
1
William Lewis  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:44:04pm

(hat tip, Shiplord)

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:46:26pm

This song is a fucking masterpiece.

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darthstar  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:48:45pm

Good song.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:48:54pm
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Belafon  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:49:40pm

...

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:51:42pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:52:30pm

re: #6 Belafon

Oh boy. Here we go.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:53:08pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:54:47pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:55:45pm

Pro-rights people need to stop comparing these rulings to Islam.

Saudi Arabia now has more liberal abortion laws than some of our states. This is Christianity. Even liberal Christians are quite happy to blame “the brown people” for what their co-religionists do.

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darthstar  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:56:41pm

I hope it was carrying something important to Russia.
twitter.com

12
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:58:11pm

They just don’t seem to get it:

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No Malarkey!  Jun 24, 2022 • 5:59:19pm
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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:02:37pm

re: #8 The Pie Overlord!

See you tomorrow evening, my dear. Have a lovely Shabbat.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:03:19pm

This is Ukraine of course, but at the same time it seems so emblematic of SCOTUS right now.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:03:45pm

I was a reluctant fan of Joe Biden. But I’m really starting to feel like he’s not up to the task now. He needs to be a warrior and he’s preemptively caving in.

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Dangerman  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:04:08pm

re: #12 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

They just don’t seem to get it:

[Embedded content]

“Human” does not mean *a* human

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:04:33pm

re: #8 The Pie Overlord!

Beautiful.

May you have a wonderful Shabbat.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:07:44pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I was a reluctant fan of Joe Biden. But I’m really starting to feel like he’s not up to the task now. He needs to be a warrior and he’s preemptively caving in.

Biden doesn’t have the power to expand the court. We can’t criticize him for something he has no power to do.

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:08:21pm

re: #19 Crush White Nationalism

Biden doesn’t have the power to expand the court. We can’t criticize him for something he has no power to do.

The Bully Pulpit.

And he’s refusing to use it.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:09:49pm

re: #20 William Lewis

The Bully Pulpit.

And he’s refusing to use it.

Calling for something that’s not going to happen would just weaken him. Congress needs to fix this, but we have to sweep the Republicans from Congress before that can happen.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:09:51pm

re: #19 Crush White Nationalism

Biden doesn’t have the power to expand the court. We can’t criticize him for something he has no power to do.

But to come out and say he’s NOT IN FAVOR of it? Sorry, but I just don’t understand that.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:10:58pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:11:05pm

I’m going to appeal to this higher law:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:12:06pm

Biden should at least say expanding the court would be the solution but it cannot happen without a significant majority of Dems elected to Congress, with Sinema and Manchin replaced. People need to know what to do. The average American just doesn’t know these things.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:12:37pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

But to come out and say he’s NOT IN FAVOR of it? Sorry, but I just don’t understand that.

It’s a radical move that would require control of Congress, and control of Congress can fix this without that move. I’m watching how this develops over the next week or two to see where Biden is going on this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:14:32pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

The sad thing is if the GOP had a majority and it was a 6-3 Liberal SCOTUS, they would not hesitate for TWO fucking seconds to expand the court if they thought they could get away with it.

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:15:01pm

re: #12 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

They just don’t seem to get it:

We’ve got a good working definition of human death. No functioning forebrain, no human.

Why isn’t this a definition of human life?

Answer:

It may well be that a 22-week babbie, with a 28% chance of surviving outside of the womb, might not have the definition of a functioning forebrain. That definition is in dispute. Most of the babies who survive being born at 22-weeks are fundamentally disabled.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:15:35pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

But to come out and say he’s NOT IN FAVOR of it? Sorry, but I just don’t understand that.

Expanding the court when you are disagreeing with a ruling is not a winning response to Mr & Mrs America.

It would be THE issue, we’d lose.

Sucks, but there are so many afraid of radicalization.
Play smart with what we’ve got.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:16:45pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

The entire Democratic party keeps bringing ice cream and cake (and the occasional whitepaper) to a switch-blade fight.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:17:04pm

re: #443 austin_blue

I hope the Mouse understands that his Atheism isn’t the problem, it’s that he proselytizes like a Shiite Baptist, while most of his audience here are members of, or adjacent to, the choir.

It got to the point that I just scrolled down.

Thanks for reading what I wrote. /s

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:17:35pm

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

The sad thing is if the GOP had a majority and it was a 6-3 Liberal SCOTUS, they would not hesitate for TWO fucking seconds to expand the court if they thought they could get away with it.

Biden’s view on that might change if the midterms go right, but telegraphing a radical move before the midterms, that’s only possible if they go right, to try to ease people’s minds would be counterproductive.

He’s made it clear that this is unacceptable and that the protections must be made law by Congress.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:18:03pm

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

The sad thing is if the GOP had a majority and it was a 6-3 Liberal SCOTUS, they would not hesitate for TWO fucking seconds to expand the court if they thought they could get away with it.

Republicans are shameless hypocrites, so they get away with packing the Court while vociferously denouncing court packing, and the media only reports what they say. This is also how they get to be perceived as the “party of fiscal responsibility.”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:19:24pm

re: #29 HRH Stanley Sea

Expanding the court when you are disagreeing with a ruling is not a winning response to Mr & Mrs America.

It would be THE issue, we’d lose.

Sucks, but there are so many afraid of radicalization.
Play smart with what we’ve got.

But it’s not just one ruling. We’ve just seen an entire nightmarish week of regressive authoritarian rulings from this court. And it’s going to continue. Next, they’ll be going after same sex marriage.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:19:48pm

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

The sad thing is if the GOP had a majority and it was a 6-3 Liberal SCOTUS, they would not hesitate for TWO fucking seconds to expand the court if they thought they could get away with it.

If the GOP had a majority but there was a Democratoc SCOTUS, they didn’t run on killing minorities, women, or gays, and they wouldn’t be doing this.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:20:18pm

re: #26 Crush White Nationalism

It’s a radical move that would require control of Congress, and control of Congress can fix this without that move. I’m watching how this develops over the next week or two to see where Biden is going on this.

Biden and the Dems are up against “it’s the stupid economy” with inflation, higher interest, and a recession possibly coming. Biden needs to plan on retiring end of his term. We will need the change up.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:23:35pm

A vote for the GOP is a vote for a nationwide abortion ban, killing women, raped children giving birth, banning contraceptives and criminalizing homosexuality. Scare the Hell out of voters to get them to the polls.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:26:26pm

re: #37 No Malarkey!

A vote for the GOP is a vote for a nationwide abortion ban, killing women, raped children giving birth, banning contraceptives and criminalizing homosexuality. Scare the Hell out of voters to get them to the polls.

Simple accurate information on what the Republicans are doing should scare the hell out of them. I don’t do scared thanks to my antidepressant, so I’m dangerously enraged instead, but people are right to be scared.

We’ll really see what Americans are in November.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:26:38pm

For example:

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:26:39pm
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:26:51pm

re: #37 No Malarkey!

There is no real difference between the GOP and the Iranian revolutionaries of 1979, except that instead of Islam it’s Christianity and instead of Khomeini it’s Trump.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:27:14pm

re: #37 No Malarkey!

A vote for the GOP is a vote for a nationwide abortion ban, killing women, raped children giving birth, banning contraceptives and criminalizing homosexuality. Scare the Hell out of voters to get them to the polls.

That’s just bound to bring Jesus back. M-4’s Blazing!

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:27:42pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

But it’s not just one ruling. We’ve just seen an entire nightmarish week of regressive authoritarian rulings from this court. And it’s going to continue. Next, they’ll be going after same sex marriage.

Then we’ll revisit. I’m totally for it, but feel there’s no way it will happen. It will fuck it up/divide further.

We knew this was coming. Minute Amy was appointed.

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Citizen K  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:28:15pm

re: #36 Rightwingconspirator

Biden and the Dems are up against “it’s the stupid economy” with inflation, higher interest, and a recession possibly coming. Biden needs to plan on retiring end of his term. We will need the change up.

Does anyone honestly believe that Dems giving Biden the boot is going to inspire confidence or give the media reason to let up on Dems at all? Since when has trying to forcibly push an incumbent pres out of the light ever worked out for the incumbent party. You’d have to go back to before presidential term limits existed to see where even voluntary stepping aside worked out for the incumbent party in the presidential election. And yes, that mainly rests on Johnson’s problems with the Vietnam war, but does anyone honestly believe that, no matter how much the media has the knives out for Biden, that they will actually let up if Biden is forcibly kicked out, or even voluntarily opts out?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:28:35pm

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:30:13pm
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HRH Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:32:08pm

re: #44 Citizen K

And who would gather party??? Who?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:32:19pm

I’ve seen some dangerous talk, from Los Angeles specifically, suggesting that a dozen or more protests could be started at once, then “Direct Action” taken once the cops were distracted. I am not sure who these people are, but police were casually referred to as “pigs,” the anarchist expression “propaganda of the deed” was prominently mentioned, and pictures of guillotines and burning buildings posted.
The problem with this is that, cops or not, there will be thousands of Rittenhouse wannabes milling around just looking for an excuse to shoot. Don’t give it to them. Performative violence has always been bullshit. This time around it could get you killed. As I said earlier, fight but fight smart.

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wrenchwench  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:33:30pm

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Thanks for reading what I wrote. /s

Eek! It’s a mouse!

Wait, it’s not just any mouse…

It’s Anymouse!

Hi mouse.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:34:49pm

re: #44 Citizen K

They’ll treat Kamala Harris chivalrously.

Can’t spell chivalrous without a shiv.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:36:25pm

re: #44 Citizen K

I always had the idea of Joe as a one term guy because of his age and how hard that job is. His name will (wrongly) be attached to all things economically bad. IMHO no sitting President can expect to keep his job in the face of runaway inflation. So now that’s two good reasons to run a different person. Perhaps against Trump. Ugh.

By the way, I was saying he should opt out. I don’t think he should get “the boot”.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:43:36pm
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No Malarkey!  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:44:14pm

re: #51 Rightwingconspirator

I always had the idea of Joe as a one term guy because of his age and how hard that job is. His name will (wrongly) be attached to all things economically bad. IMHO no sitting President can expect to keep his job in the face of runaway inflation. So now that’s two good reasons to run a different person. Perhaps against Trump. Ugh.

By the way, I was saying he should opt out. I don’t think he should get “the boot”.

We are more than two years away from the next election; high inflation is likely to be in rear view mirror by then.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:45:11pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

My favorite

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:45:56pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:48:04pm

re: #53 No Malarkey!

I truly hope you are correct, and I got this wrong. A keen sense of betrayal is shared by the wife and me. This feels huge. I guess some of my anger today is making me cynical. It’s probably a good time to step back a minute.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:48:07pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

…and private sector partners

Who are the DHS private sector partners?

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Citizen K  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:55:19pm

re: #51 Rightwingconspirator

I always had the idea of Joe as a one term guy because of his age and how hard that job is. His name will (wrongly) be attached to all things economically bad. IMHO no sitting President can expect to keep his job in the face of runaway inflation. So now that’s two good reasons to run a different person. Perhaps against Trump. Ugh.

By the way, I was saying he should opt out. I don’t think he should get “the boot”.

re: #56 Rightwingconspirator

I truly hope you are correct, and I got this wrong. A keen sense of betrayal is shared by the wife and me. This feels huge. I guess some of my anger today is making me cynical. It’s probably a good time to step back a minute.

Again, considering the highly coordinated effort between the GOP, a complicit media, and apparently a significant left flank to give all blame for everything, including this ruling, to the Dems and only the Dems, I can’t see any scenario where the Dems will get credit for changing horses midstream, and we’ve seen all too well just how any prominent Dem can get turned into Public Enemy #1 the moment it becomes convenient. This idea that getting Biden out of the spotlight to save us from attacks regarding the economy or anything else is simply not supported by past trends.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:55:53pm
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JC1  Jun 24, 2022 • 6:57:06pm

re: #56 Rightwingconspirator

I truly hope you are correct, and I got this wrong. A keen sense of betrayal is shared by the wife and me. This feels huge. I guess some of my anger today is making me cynical. It’s probably a good time to step back a minute.

Inflation will be replaced by recession soon (IMHO). 24 is too far away to make any reasonable predictions. 22 is the whole game right now.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:00:52pm

re: #41 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

There is no real difference between the GOP and the Iranian revolutionaries of 1979, except that instead of Islam it’s Christianity and instead of Khomeini it’s Trump.

Abortion in Iran is legal. The law permitting abortion in 1979 by Iran’s revolutionaries was expanded in 2005 to allow more categories of legal abortion.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:05:01pm

re: #57 Decatur Deb

Who are the DHS private sector partners?

The DHS Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has a robust private sector engagement program whose mission is to ensure that private sector critical infrastructure owners and operators and private sector decision-makers are equipped with the intelligence and information necessary to fulfill their mission requirements.

Key Partners

I&A’s government partners include the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Office of the Director of National Intelligence (and other members of the Intelligence Community), Overseas Security Advisory Council (OSAC), and State and Major Urban Area Fusion Centers.

I&A’s private sector partners include industry organizations and associations, such as InfraGard, ASIS International, the International Security Management Association, Business Executives for National Security, U.S. Chamber of Commerce National Security Task Force, the National Council of ISACs, among others.

Source: dhs.gov

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:07:21pm
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No Malarkey!  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:09:39pm

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Abortion in Iran is legal. The law permitting abortion in 1979 by Iran’s revolutionaries was expanded in 2005 to allow more categories of legal abortion.

How about that. The people who fear mongered about Sharia law are more extreme than the mullahs.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:10:24pm

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

Any of those a newest name for Blackwater?

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:14:42pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

Any of those a newest name for Blackwater?

It currently goes by “Academi”

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:15:41pm

Alabama launched a poll today.
Should Miss Alabama bring back the swimsuit competition? Vote in our poll

Oh…yeah… They also outlawed almost all abortions, effective immediately.
Alabama attorney general Steve Marshall orders halt on abortions

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:17:25pm

re: #66 William Lewis

It currently goes by “Academi”

Was that before or after “Xe”?

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No Malarkey!  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:17:44pm

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

I’ve seen some dangerous talk, from Los Angeles specifically, suggesting that a dozen or more protests could be started at once, then “Direct Action” taken once the cops were distracted. I am not sure who these people are, but police were casually referred to as “pigs,” the anarchist expression “propaganda of the deed” was prominently mentioned, and pictures of guillotines and burning buildings posted.
The problem with this is, cops or not, tis that there will be thousands of Rittenhouse wannabes milling around just looking for an excuse to shoot. Don’t give it to them. Performative violence has always been bullshit. This time around it could get you killed. As I said earlier, fight but fight smart.

It’s a trap!

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:21:44pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Was that before or after “Xe”?

After.

Looks like the owner is called “Constellis Holdings, Inc” but the mercs are sent to out to kill and die under the “Academii” name.

Per wiki so take with salt.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:30:58pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:31:43pm

re: #69 No Malarkey!

US right wing nut jobs are still salty that Antifa didn’t come out to play on 1/6.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:35:39pm

ENOUGH!!!!

Youtube Video

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No Malarkey!  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:37:14pm

re: #72 EPR-radar

US right wing nut jobs are still salty that Antifa didn’t come out to play on 1/6.

The refusal of DOJ, Pence and Antifa to play the roles Trump assigned them saved us from a major constitutional crisis. That is the only nice thing I will say about Pence.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:40:46pm
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Belafon  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:41:45pm
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No Malarkey!  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:44:36pm
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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:46:00pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Charles, I understand your frustration, but really, the Supreme Court can’t do any more damage until after the midterm elections.

What Biden needs to do is win the midterms in both the Senate and the House. He needs to use the killing of Roe to expand the Dems power in both houses of Congress.

That’s the key to making the R’s yesterdays party, who bit off more than they could chew.

If they had the power back in the early 70’s to keep Roe from happening, they would have been King Bees in the legal world. But they didn’t. And it happened. And they worked for Fifty Fucking Years to get to the point to where they could kill Roe.

But when they finally got the juice to do it, a large majority of the polity supported the basics of Roe. They killed it 50 years too late, and they are going to get creamed in the midterms if the Dems play their cards just right.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:47:40pm

Lying his ass off, and talking about it on a disinformation site.

(CNN)Ali Alexander, the leader of the “Stop the Steal” group who helped to organize rallies before the US Capitol attack, testified to a federal grand jury on Friday in the Justice Department’s sweeping investigation into the January 6, 2021, insurrection.

CNN spotted Alexander entering and exiting the federal courthouse in Washington, DC, where a federal grand jury that has heard January 6-related matters meets. He spent about four hours at the courthouse on Friday behind closed doors.
Alexander did not respond to questions at the courthouse. He has not been charged with any crime.
He acknowledged his testimony in a social media post on Friday. “Today a DC grand jury brought me in under subpoena and the threat of imprisonment. I told them I committed no crimes and observed no one committing any crimes during the 2020 Election and January 6th,” he wrote on the Trump-founded site Truth Social.

‘Stop the Steal’ leader Ali Alexander testifies to Jan. 6 grand jury (CNN)

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A Three Hour Tour  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:49:24pm

Health stuff under the private tag.

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retired cynic  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:51:48pm

re: #80 A Three Hour Tour

Health stuff under the private tag.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:54:49pm
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Citizen K  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:54:52pm

re: #78 austin_blue

Charles, I understand your frustration, but really, the Supreme Court can’t do any more damage until after the midterm elections.

What Biden needs to do is win the midterms in both the Senate and the House. He needs to use the killing of Roe to expand the Dems power in both houses of Congress.

That’s the key to making the R’s yesterdays party, who bit off more than they could chew.

If they had the power back in the early 70’s to keep Roe from happening, they would have been King Bees in the legal world. But they didn’t. And it happened. And they worked for Fifty Fucking Years to get to the point to where they could kill Roe.

But when they finally got the juice to do it, a large majority of the polity supported the basics of Roe. They killed it 50 years too late, and they are going to get creamed in the midterms if the Dems play their cards just right.

I’m just quickly getting exhausted by the second-hand nihilism I feel because it’s starting to feel like pulling teeth to keep people focused on Republicans as the root cause of all of this. Everywhere, even here, seems to be falling under the lure of blaming Dems for all the ills of the world as if the GOP has no agency while they keep reaping the benefits of it all. The media has been all in on refusing to lay blame where it should (because THAT would make them ‘partisan’, so both sideing things so the guilty party looks better, that’s absolutely not partisan at all!), and the left flank has been increasingly trying to scream about denying Dems the vote, because if the Dem party collapses, that’ll magically bring about the progressive utopia once a ‘real’ leftist party emerges from the ashes (instead of, you know, just having ashes in the scorched earth left). Meanwhile, the GOP skates because they’re never held to account. Because ‘that’s just how they are, so it’s pointless to get angry at them’. Meanwhile, we persist with circular firing squads meant to ensure that we get nowhere. And I’m just feeling the energy ebb from me because I’m seeing the same trap that gave us Trump in 2016 about to kick us in the stomach in ‘22 and ‘24, because Dems are never ‘good enough’, thus they’re all to blame.

Look, I get Dems can be tone deaf. But considering the minefield they have to keep walking along with shitty media meddling and narratives, and a perfect split Senate that people keep acting like is a Green Lantern ring to make miracles with, I’m far more forgiving of them being tone deaf as long as they’re trying to point in the right direction, especially when the GOP is hitting Reverse on the entire country in hopes of bringing us back to 1861.

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:56:03pm

re: #77 No Malarkey!

This is why I foresee a Yugoslavia situation having a very high probability of happening. About 5 nations where we once were. Hopefully Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota can get absorbed into Canada. Perhaps even Chicago though the out state of Illinois won’t want to go.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:56:32pm
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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:57:37pm

re: #80 A Three Hour Tour

Health stuff under the private tag.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 24, 2022 • 7:58:26pm

Slacktivist at Patheos (Fred Clark, a Christian), describing how anti-abortion positions were the stalking horse for Christian segregationists.

Evangelicals were a non-voting bloc (the idea of “we live in the world but are members of the Kingdom of God”).

In 1973, the flagship Evangelical magazine Christianity Today put out an entire issue praising Roe and defining abortion and contraception as a Catholic problem and un-Biblical.

The ‘biblical view’ that’s younger than the Happy Meal

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danarchy  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:00:04pm

re: #78 austin_blue

But when they finally got the juice to do it, a large majority of the polity supported the basics of Roe. They killed it 50 years too late, and they are going to get creamed in the midterms if the Dems play their cards just right.

I wish I was as confident as you, but at the end of the day if inflation and gas prices are still high I think Americans are still more likely to just blame the party in power, and the price of gas and groceries is more consequential to most people day to day than abortion rights. Hope I am wrong, but it isn’t something I would be willing to bet on.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:00:34pm

re: #81 retired cynic

OW! Take care!

The disorienting thing is that I have no memory of the seconds immediately prior to blacking out.
I remember making the decision to get up off the bed in my daughter’s old room to head toward the bathroom, but I have no memory of reaching the bedroom doorframe.

My next memory is the sensations of impact and being spawled on the floor in the hall.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:01:24pm

I totally understand how Republicans and the religious right are responsible for pushing things to this point. I don’t know how anyone could think otherwise.

But the Democratic Party is simply not fighting as hard as they should. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it’s as plain as day.

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EstebanTornado1963  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:03:26pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

I totally understand how Republicans and the religious right are responsible for pushing things to this point. I don’t know how anyone could think otherwise.

But the Democrat Party is simply not fighting as hard as they should. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it’s as plain as day.

Democratic Party.
Democrat Party is a pejorative that republicans use as an insult

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:03:53pm

“What was she wearing” is now “why didn’t she control her semen intake?”

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:04:54pm

Man control, the impossible frontier.

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:05:55pm

re: #83 Citizen K

I’m just quickly getting exhausted by the second-hand nihilism I feel because it’s starting to feel like pulling teeth to keep people focused on Republicans as the root cause of all of this. Everywhere, even here, seems to be falling under the lure of blaming Dems for all the ills of the world as if the GOP has no agency while they keep reaping the benefits of it all. The media has been all in on refusing to lay blame where it should (because THAT would make them ‘partisan’, so both sideing things so the guilty party looks better, that’s absolutely not partisan at all!), and the left flank has been increasingly trying to scream about denying Dems the vote, because if the Dem party collapses, that’ll magically bring about the progressive utopia once a ‘real’ leftist party emerges from the ashes (instead of, you know, just having ashes in the scorched earth left). Meanwhile, the GOP skates because they’re never held to account. Because ‘that’s just how they are, so it’s pointless to get angry at them’. Meanwhile, we persist with circular firing squads meant to ensure that we get nowhere. And I’m just feeling the energy ebb from me because I’m seeing the same trap that gave us Trump in 2016 about to kick us in the stomach in ‘22 and ‘24, because Dems are never ‘good enough’, thus they’re all to blame.

Look, I get Dems can be tone deaf. But considering the minefield they have to keep walking along with shitty media meddling and narratives, and a perfect split Senate that people keep acting like is a Green Lantern ring to make miracles with, I’m far more forgiving of them being tone deaf as long as they’re trying to point in the right direction, especially when the GOP is hitting Reverse on the entire country in hopes of bringing us back to 1861.

Umm, you do realize this was the exact reason for my post, yes? That Biden *isn’t* tone deaf but is positioning the Party for the midterms, yes? And that ancillary distractions don’t do the Dems any good leading up to the midterms whatsoever, yes?

If it’s all about Roe, and it gets out the vote, we win and can initiate a counterforce to what Trump accomplished in four disastrous years for this country. We can fix it pretty quickly with Legislation.

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EPR-radar  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:08:24pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

I totally understand how Republicans and the religious right are responsible for pushing things to this point. I don’t know how anyone could think otherwise.

But the Democratic Party is simply not fighting as hard as they should. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it’s as plain as day.

This is how I see it as well, Republicans are evil, and too many Democrats don’t seem to get that.

But it’s also truly difficult to see how best for Democrats to fight back. Of course Fox News and hate radio are controlled by the enemy, but so is the mainstream media.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:08:59pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

I totally understand how Republicans and the religious right are responsible for pushing things to this point. I don’t know how anyone could think otherwise.

But the Democratic Party is simply not fighting as hard as they should. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it’s as plain as day.

I only hope that after the midterms we can look back and say the Democrats fought back and shocked the conventional wisdom by expanding their congressional majorities. Then next year they do something with it. People will have to believe their votes can make a difference for that to happen.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:09:57pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

My take has been, for a very long time now, that the Democratic Party has long been defined by “we’re not Republicans”.

Contrary to the claims of right-wing demagogues, there is no strong ideology that has rallied a high percentage of self-declaring Democratic party members.

This is why Pelosi and others raise money for Dems who may not agree with other Dems on various issues.

It’s also why purity ponies find the Democratic party easy pickings: because it’s a big tent (contra the GOP) one can always find a Dem who doesn’t agree with some stance on some issue.

And then we have religion.

It is true that part of the Democratic Party’s composition since the early 1960’s has been black church members. This has always been a fine line to walk, and why so many Dem leaders are not champions of, say, Voltaire (or other historical anti-religious figure heads.)

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:13:11pm

re: #91 EstebanTornado1963

Democratic Party.
Democrat Party is a pejorative that republicans use as an insult

It was a typo.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:14:14pm

I switched from being independent to registered Dem when I saw what was happening when Obama was nominated.

It was clear that Obama had uncovered latent racism in many corners of this country.

But here’s the thing: If my ideology is that of a materialist socialist (which it sort of is), there is no way I will have any chance of getting the majority of the Democratic Party to make that the declared ideology of the party.

It’s just not going to happen (in my lifetime.)

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:14:27pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

It was a typo.

I though autocorrect bit you.

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ibob  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:17:59pm

The recent Supreme Court decision has me sick at my stomach.

You cannot image all the potential problems this is going to cause. This is something the ob/gyns at my hospital have been taking about since the ruling was leaked. We have decided no matter what the law says, we will do what is right for the patient.

The tricky part will be exactly how the laws are worded. One state was looking at using a heat beat as the point of no return. Well, I have seen ectopic pregnancies have a heart beat. Am I just suppose to wait until the tube ruptures before operating? My patient could die. That is completely unacceptable. I’m going to operate and will take the risk of being arrested later.

I’m going to take an Ativan for my nerves and go to bed.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:18:17pm

re: #80 A Three Hour Tour

Health stuff under the private tag.

I hope things improve for you very soon.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:18:59pm

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Slacktivist at Patheos (Fred Clark, a Christian), describing how anti-abortion positions were the stalking horse for Christian segregationists.

Evangelicals were a non-voting bloc (the idea of “we live in the world but are members of the Kingdom of God”).

In 1973, the flagship Evangelical magazine Christianity Today put out an entire issue praising Roe and defining abortion and contraception as a Catholic problem and un-Biblical.

The ‘biblical view’ that’s younger than the Happy Meal

A great article to bring up to any evangelical making claims that human life begins at conception.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:19:56pm

Time to roll away. It was nice being aboard today.

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:20:25pm

re: #96 No Malarkey!

I only hope that after the midterms we can look back and say the Democrats fought back and shocked the conventional wisdom by expanding their congressional majorities. Then next year they do something with it. People will have to believe their votes can make a difference for that to happen.

Exactamundo, Mr. Fawlty!

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Citizen K  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:23:37pm

re: #94 austin_blue

Umm, you do realize this was the exact reason for my post, yes? That Biden *isn’t* tone deaf but is positioning the Party for the midterms, yes? And that ancillary distractions don’t do the Dems any good leading up to the midterms whatsoever, yes?

If it’s all about Roe, and it gets out the vote, we win and can initiate a counterforce to what Trump accomplished in four disastrous years for this country. We can fix it pretty quickly with Legislation.

I do, and sorry if it was confusing that it seemed like the post was calling you out rather than echoing you. I’m just…exhausted by the mindset is all.

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JC1  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:26:00pm

re: #95 EPR-radar

This is how I see it as well, Republicans are evil, and too many Democrats don’t seem to get that.

But it’s also truly difficult to see how best for Democrats to fight back. Of course Fox News and hate radio are controlled by the enemy, but so is the mainstream media.

For starters, the DOJ should charge with sedition every congressman and senator who participated in Jan 6th.

Then charge Kavanaugh with perjury for his confirmation hearings. He was weasly around the R v W questions, but he outright lied about other things.

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:28:20pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

I totally understand how Republicans and the religious right are responsible for pushing things to this point. I don’t know how anyone could think otherwise.

But the Democratic Party is simply not fighting as hard as they should. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it’s as plain as day.

There’s fighting hard and smart, and then there is fighting hard and dumb.

What did the SCOTUS hand us today? A way to fight the midterms hard and smart and expand the Dem control of the Senate and House.

What is fighting hard and dumb? Any other way forward.

The R’s Gave Us This Roadmap. Anything else is fucking ourselves in the ass.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:30:43pm

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I hope things improve for you very soon.

Thank you. In many ways things have improved significantly since late May. This is an unfortunate side effect of the meds and rapid changes to my internal status quo.

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:32:44pm

re: #106 Citizen K

I do, and sorry if it was confusing that it seemed like the post was calling you out rather than echoing you. I’m just…exhausted by the mindset is all.

Hugs all around. It’s been a long day for all of us. I didn’t mean to jump your ass.

I keep yo-yoing between crying and yelling at clouds. Fuck my life.

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wrenchwench  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:35:52pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2022 • 8:47:13pm

re: #80 A Three Hour Tour

Health stuff under the private tag.

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garzooma  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:00:04pm

re: #96 No Malarkey!

I only hope that after the midterms we can look back and say the Democrats fought back and shocked the conventional wisdom by expanding their congressional majorities. Then next year they do something with it. People will have to believe their votes can make a difference for that to happen.

Josh Marshall describes how to make this happen:

Democrats Can Win This Fall if They Make One Key Promise
[…]
To make the 2022 elections a referendum on Roe, Democrats have to put protecting Roe and abortion rights on the table.

Here’s one way to do that: get clear public commitments from every Senate Democrat (and candidate for Senate) not only to vote for the Roe bill in January 2023 but also to change the filibuster rules to ensure that a majority vote would actually pass the bill and send it to the White House for the president’s signature.
[…]
If my math is right and there are 48 Senate Democrats ready to make that pledge, they need two additional Democratic senators in the next Congress. And that is the party’s message that makes the 2022 midterms a referendum on Roe: “Give us the House and two more senators, and we will make Roe law in January 2023.”
[…]
Some senators may resist at first. And that wouldn’t be surprising. Politicians seldom see any advantage to committing themselves in advance or reducing their room for maneuver. It’s always safer to keep your options open and be as general as possible until the final moment. That’s why assembling a clear public list of commitments is critical. Once the list gets down to a handful of hesitaters, the pressure from Democrats nationwide, focused on those members, will be overwhelming. If there are real holdouts, they’ll fold in short order.

You don’t need to wait on Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer or President Biden. You can get the ball rolling by calling up your Democratic senator today.

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:01:55pm

And that’s it for me on the day of the most important legal decision since I was 16 years old, which shows how much the most Conservative branch of the Catholic Church controls American law.

You know, in 1928, Texas voted for a Republican Presidential candidate, Herbert Hoover, for the first time since there was a Republican Party. They wouldn’t do it again until 1980.

Why? Because Hoover’s opponent was a Catholic named Al Smith.

So for 120 years, the State of Texas voted for exactly one Republican Presidential candidate, and that was only because he was running against a Mackerel Snapper from New York.

Nowadays, Texas just loves loves loves them some Catholic Opus Dei judges because they can’t get any Evangelical Protestants onto the Court. The only judge who claims to be Protestant is Gorsuch, but he was raised Catholic and has switched to Episcopalianism, which is Catholicism with all the bells and whistles but without the guilt.

It’s a very odd thing, but the fact is that the most conservative faction of the Roman Catholic Church now controls how American Law is interpreted.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:02:14pm

My dad called yesterday to tell me that my mom had tested positive for covid. She said it felt like a cold. I pressed him to try to get her seen about. They had been going through a low cost clinic, and when they called, all they got was an answering machine. When my wife told me that, I called and pressed him to get her seen about because they are still within the window for the drugs. He tried calling a minor emergency clinic and a hospital emergency room, but were told that, because Republicans let the funding expire, they no longer do the testing or issue drugs. My parents are going to have to try tomorrow morning and hopefully get in touch of her primary care doctor. If they have to wait until Monday, they will be out of the window for the drugs.

My parents have gotten lax on taking care around people. They’ve had one booster, but have stopped wearing masks. They don’t go to a lot of places, but they do go to church.

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:02:50pm

re: #84 William Lewis

This is why I foresee a Yugoslavia situation having a very high probability of happening. About 5 nations where we once were. Hopefully Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota can get absorbed into Canada. Perhaps even Chicago though the out state of Illinois won’t want to go.

During the War of 1812, New England seriously considered secession. The war was a disaster for many places, including Boston and my town of Salem, which was once the richest in Massachusetts.

You can’t convince me that balkanization would be bad right now. You can’t.

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:12:01pm

Like everybody else here, I have been sickened at the SCOTUS’ open and unrestrained grabbing of power contrary to our democratic and legal traditions.

I respect and appreciate the thoughts and views on Joe Biden and how well he is doing his job.

I guess that I have a bit of a contrarian viewpoint on Joe Biden. As always, ymmv.

I view Biden as having a very specific role in our nation, as the representative of the Constitutional Institutions of our government, particularly those of the Executive Branch.

In my view, he is doing a fairly good job.

Particularly in light of all the people and groups trying to destabilize our democracy. That includes the gqp, the anarcho-capitalists, the libertarians, authoritarians, generally discontent, and foreign enemies such as Putin. (I guaran-fricking-tee that Putin and his minions are very ‌involved.)

I think that Biden has stabilized much of the Executive Branch and the Nation. (Look at the J6 hearings to see what disarray everything was in under tfg.) Under the rules of our democracy, he has less control over the Legislative and Judicial Branches.

Regarding the bully pulpit. I think that he has been using it, but very carefully. And in great contrast to tfg’s misuse.

About specific issues that concern us, I recall the words of Franklin Delano Roosevelt to community leaders (to paraphrase) “Your job is to make me support those issues”.

I do agree that if we want a strongman, then we will indeed need to find a very different person.

I have two thoughts regarding the wish for a strong-man or authoritarian or a dictator to fix everything for us.

First, in our democracy, the folks responsible for fixing the problems are us. In our system of government, power devolves to and originates from the people. And that is us. Fixing it is our job. And we cannot pawn it off on anybody else. Sucks… I agree. But there we are. As Pogo said “We has met the enemy. And he is us.”

Second, we just tried a strongman wannabe, tfg. We barely escaped his misrule. And only because he was completely incompetent and too psychologically damaged to hire and use competent help. The next time we seek a strongman, we may find that next one is more competent. And then we we will be in real big trouble.

In summary, to quote Jim Wright “We need to be better citizens if we want a better government”.

And as stated above, ymmv.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:13:04pm

re: #116 Sherlock Hound

During the War of 1812, New England seriously considered secession. The war was a disaster for many places, including Boston and my town of Salem, which was once the richest in Massachusetts.

You can’t convince me that balkanization would be bad right now. You can’t.

I don’t want a nuclear-armed fascist theocratic state on my border. We need to keep a lid on our theocratic fascists. We can’t just let them run wild.

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:14:11pm

Welcome back AnyMouse.

And if I was in anyway part of the reason you stayed away, it was unintended on my part. Please accept my apologies.

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:20:15pm

re: #116 Sherlock Hound

During the War of 1812, New England seriously considered secession. The war was a disaster for many places, including Boston and my town of Salem, which was once the richest in Massachusetts.

You can’t convince me that balkanization would be bad right now. You can’t.

In the long run? Perhaps. Perhaps not. But the civil war that went with the breakup of Yugoslavia was a very brutal war and would be devastating to much of the former United States. And if it devolves into religious based ethnic cleansing and genocide?

No, I don’t think balkanization would be a good thing.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:24:25pm

re: #23 Rightwingconspirator

Like I said yesterday, being nice gets you nowhere.

And we play too nice. Let’s realize that there’s no compromise to be found with the right-wingers and it is useless to appeal to the better angels of their nature because they don’t have one.

This is a fight to the bitter end. It’s Manichean, and it ends in either victory or defeat for one side or the other. And if we want to win, then we’d better be prepared to do whatever it takes to achieve that victory.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:24:56pm

The good news is that it’ll probably only be $10M in a month with crypto going the way it’s going.

Harmony Crypto Cross-Chain Bridge Hacked for $100M (Investorplace)

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:28:07pm

re: #116 Sherlock Hound

During the War of 1812, New England seriously considered secession. The war was a disaster for many places, including Boston and my town of Salem, which was once the richest in Massachusetts.

You can’t convince me that balkanization would be bad right now. You can’t.

Yup the US has often been plagued with the issue of regionalism.

Just before the Civil War there was a lot of regionalism in the “Old Northwest” of Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. The problem was that the rest of the regions in the Federal Government were unwilling to help build canals and other transportation projects to connect the region to the rest of the country. As a newly developing region the area did not have the resources to do it themselves.

It took a lot of careful maneuvering by some excellent politicians to keep the Old Northwest in the Union and out of the separatist camp.

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:31:45pm

re: #115 Belafon

So very sorry to hear that your folks are facing covid.

I hope that they are able to get the medical assistance that they need in a timely fashion..

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The GOP is a racist terrorist organization  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:34:39pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:36:45pm

Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:43:19pm

re: #114 austin_blue

Yes! It is fascinating to look at post-Civil War national voting maps. In many of them, the South would vote solid Democratic and the North solid Republican. That pattern only started to break up in the 20th Century.

On the issue of Catholicism. Many here probably do not remember that John F Kennedy, a Catholic, had to make a public pledge that he would follow the best interests of the United States and not be subordinate to the Pope. This was in 1960. Not that long ago. At least for us oldsters.

*snip*

The only other Catholic [before Kennedy] to become a presidential nominee was Al Smith, the Catholic governor of New York, in the election of 1928.

“[He] lost disastrously in the midst of overt anti-Catholic campaigning,” O’Toole explains. “As soon as Smith was elected president, his opponent said [Smith] was going to build a tunnel between Rome and Washington so it would be easier for the pope to get his instructions to President Smith — preposterous of course…there were actually campaign flyers that said that that was, that was going to happen. And that was the kind of opposition that Kennedy faced when he first ran for president.”

*snip*

Kennedy couldn’t have been more pointed in response, when he spoke to a group of ministers in Houston that fall.

“I am not the Catholic candidate for president. I am the Democratic party’s candidate for president, who happens also to be a Catholic. I do not speak for my church on public matters, and the church does not speak for me,” Kennedy told Greater Houston Ministerial Association.

wbur.org

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The GOP is a racist terrorist organization  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:45:09pm

A masterpiece

YouTube

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:49:38pm

re: #80 A Three Hour Tour

Oh no!

Hope you feel better and get this all addressed. On the positive side, you sound like nothing was too seriously injured.

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wrenchwench  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:49:40pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:57:18pm
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Belafon  Jun 24, 2022 • 9:59:14pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

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Targetpractice  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:00:02pm

re: #113 garzooma

Josh Marshall describes how to make this happen:

Three words why this won’t happen? “Pro-life Dems.” Guys like Cueller who just won the nomination for reelection this past Tuesday won’t go for it, and even if they did the leadership would be too afraid of putting them on the spot to go for it. If anything, promises to make Roe law after they allowed Manchin to very publicly block the last attempt could very well backfire for the party.

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wrenchwench  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:00:41pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

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What kind of ID are these women presenting to gain access to the street? Diplomas and licenses?

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:03:24pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

Kirk is reading too many books by self described “pick up artists”. That is “negging” a standard manipulation technique that they all seem to describe and claim to use.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:09:51pm

If Justice Thomas and the rest of the fascist clique really get cracking they could conceivably over-rule Lawrence, Griswold and Obergefell all by, say, the middle of October. With any luck, the result would be an unprecedented disaster for mid-term hopeful Repugs, crushed, extinguished, under an avalanche of outrage. To paraphrase a headline from the end of the Civil War, “Treason and superstition buried in the same grave.”
It goes without saying that the GOP will use lies, sabotage and violence on a massive scale to prevent this. Democrats need to be ready at every level to counter this and they need to be ready for a brass knuckle, eye gouging, gonad crushing brawl in the process.

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:10:18pm
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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:14:31pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:15:51pm

I think it’s admirable that blue and purple states are announcing that abortion is still legal within their borders, but I don’t think they quite get that the theocratic fucknuggets pushing this effort are not going to stop at just banning it in some states and allowing it to remain legal in others. Until they can get a nationwide ban in place, whether through Congressional action or judicial fiat, they will start working in the states they do control to begin placing restrictions on the free movement of pregnant women. Do not be surprised if, between now and 2024, one or more red states have women in jail awaiting trial for violating some new law banning travel across state lines to obtain an abortion in a state where it’s still legal.

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:16:53pm

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Captain Ron  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:18:24pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:26:38pm

Arizona police fire directly from the state capitol building against protesters over the Roe decision in the square. There was no order to disperse first.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:27:10pm

Words..

my typical 4/6

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:27:34pm

re: #140 ckkatz

You love to see it…..

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:29:05pm

In the DonBas, the Ukrainians had a salient that connected to the towns of Lysychansk and Severodonetsk. A couple of days ago the Russian forces were finally able to push up along the Western bank/Ukrainian side of the Siverskyi Donets River. This threatened to cut off the last road out of the salient.

The Russian efforts to push the Ukrainians out of the salient had taken a month and significant casualties. The Ukrainians also took heavy casualties. But not as heavy as the Russians. Nor are the Ukrainians as short of manpower as the Russians.

So the Ukrainians finally decided to pull out of the salient. Any retreat is controlled chaos. But it sounds like the Ukrainians are managing it well.

And, I would suspect that NATO intelligence and surveillance are feeding the Ukrainians up-to-the-minute information. Probably not only on where the Russians are and what they are doing, but also where the various Ukrainian units are.

Here are some descriptions of that retreat:

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:33:30pm

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Gad! I hope that nobody gets hit by a canister. Those things can cause serious injury up to and including killing.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:37:16pm

We as a country have been collectively traumatized today and people are allowed to scream at the fucking sky while we get our bearings.

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:40:18pm

re: #145 ckkatz

A retreat while in contact with the enemy is, perhaps, the single most difficult operation that can be done. It’s the sign of a disciplined force that they can do this well.

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:47:21pm

re: #148 William Lewis

A retreat while in contact with the enemy is, perhaps, the single most difficult operation that can be done. It’s the sign of a disciplined force that they can do this well.

Very true!

I remember reading the retreat out of Laos in 1971. (I just missed the draft for Vietnam. I turned 18 the year they discontinued it.) And I knew some people that had been in the retreat from the Chosen Reservoir in the 1950’s.

I also remember back in the bad old 1980s where we were supposed to be prepared to retreat in front of massive Warsaw Pact hordes. I always assumed that I would end up being a speed bump. No matter where they stuck me. So I wasn’t expecting a lot out of any controlled retreat

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:50:12pm

re: #149 ckkatz

Retreat? We were told to be sure to kill 5 WP tanks before dying. That might slow them enough for REFORGER to actually work.

Of course, after the fall, we found East German army documents that said they expected us to be able to bring in 2 or 3 times as many troops as we actually could which was one reason the balloon never went up.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:50:30pm

The Onion is taking no prisoners today.

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:53:46pm

British Professor of Strategic Studies at Scottish University looking at the SCOTUS ruling:

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nines09  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:55:31pm

Steve Earl talks to me.
Late night drop for a fucked Friday.

Youtube Video

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:55:41pm

re: #151 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

*Snort*

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 10:58:45pm

re: #150 William Lewis

Retreat? We were told to be sure to kill 5 WP tanks before dying. That might slow them enough for REFORGER to actually work.

Of course, after the fall, we found East German army documents that said they expected us to be able to bring in 2 or 3 times as many troops as we actually could which was one reason the balloon never went up.

Heh! Anything, as long as it worked. I had two hopes.

The first being that maybe the Warsaw Pact nations’ militaries were not really interested in dying for the glory of Russia. And second, that maybe a lot of them would disperse while being busy looting.

Beyond that, I was just hoping the end would be quick and relatively painless. I figured that REFORGER might stabilize things around the Rhine. If the US reinforcements even made it into theater.

As you can see, I was the optimist of the unit.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 24, 2022 • 11:00:50pm

re: #152 ckkatz

I mean, after all, isn’t cancer treatment interfering in God’s will? One can argue (granted, it’s an insane argument) that getting cancer is simply the Big Guy calling his faithful home to Heaven, who are we mere humans to interfere with His inimitable wisdom?

Thus, as cancer treatment directly interferes with God’s plan for that individual human being, cancer treatments should be prohibited.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 24, 2022 • 11:01:37pm

re: #152 ckkatz

British Professor of Strategic Studies at Scottish University looking at the SCOTUS ruling:

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I think this is exactly right. Major houses of superstition like the Southern Baptists have been hemorrhaging members for years. Their response is to double down on the power-seeking, alienating still more people.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 24, 2022 • 11:09:10pm

An example from my experience: Thirty years ago, the gigantic First Baptist Church of Lubbock had twenty thousand members, roughly 10% of the local population. It was the second largest Southern Baptist congregation in the world. Today membership is less than three thousand, average age is about 70 in spite of an elaborate outreach program at nearby Texas Tech, and they have changed their name to just First Church.

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 11:09:12pm

I believe that Theiner was the guy who recently updated the HIMARS/M142 wikis

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 24, 2022 • 11:15:21pm

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

An example from my experience: Thirty years ago, the gigantic First Baptist Church of Lubbock had twenty thousand members, roughly 10% of the local population. It was the second largest Southern Baptist congregation in the world. Today membership is less than three thousand, average age is about 70 in spite of an elaborate outreach program at nearby Texas Tech, and they have changed their name to just First Church.

That’s an absolutely catastrophic decline in membership in a little over one generation. Which is good to see.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 24, 2022 • 11:19:22pm

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

End times lunacy really ramped up after 1970 and was at a fever pitch in the 80’s and 90’s.

When the end did not come in 2000, the end times nuts really had no where to go.

Tied to the formation of the modern state of Israel, apocalypticism ran wild in American fundamentalist circles.

If you look at the curve from Gallup (posted by the Scottish professor), you can see the nose-dive after 2000.

Few people want to admit publicly they were duped. but many Americans were duped by the end-times preachers.

Instead of owning up to it, these marks just sort of slinked off to the side.

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ckkatz  Jun 24, 2022 • 11:20:06pm

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

An example from my experience: Thirty years ago, the gigantic First Baptist Church of Lubbock had twenty thousand members, roughly 10% of the local population. It was the second largest Southern Baptist congregation in the world. Today membership is less than three thousand, average age is about 70 in spite of an elaborate outreach program at nearby Texas Tech, and they have changed their name to just First Church.

I know very little about the local mega-churches. The only one I know anything about in the Northern Virginia area is the massive McLean Bible Church. It basically provided a lot of community services to what I concluded were lost and/or insecure people. Including singles and support groups. From other singles groups, I knew a few that went there. I have been out of that scene for some time and do not know how thy are doing now.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 24, 2022 • 11:29:45pm

re: #161 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I remember seeing paperback copies of Hal Lindsey’s “The Late Great Planet Earth” being pretty much everywhere when I was a kid in the mid ’70s/early ’80s. IIRC, I think it’s still considered the best-selling non-fiction book of the 1970s (though I personally wouldn’t consider it “non-fiction”, but perhaps more “fan fiction/fairytales”).

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 24, 2022 • 11:33:48pm

re: #162 ckkatz

The San Diego area has had a few mega-churches, three of which I knew had pastors that were big into TV stints.

All of them end-times preachers.

Horizon Christian Fellowship grew out of the Faith Chapel movement (from Orange County). The founder Mike MacIntosh is old now, but I found out he’s still preaching end times around the country.

The con never ends for end-times.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 25, 2022 • 12:08:17am

Tuva back for more movie music:

Youtube Video


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(Coincidentally (or not) I just watched a Casablanca reaction the other day, and for some reason I can’t get the name Victor Laszlo out of my mind.)

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2022 • 12:15:19am

re: #147 Amory Blaine

We as a country have been collectively traumatized today and people are allowed to scream at the fucking sky while we get our bearings.

I’ll post my wordle:

Wordle 371 4/6

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 1:09:43am

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Thanks for reading what I wrote. /s

I have never been been attacked or ostracized for my atheism or bullied by conservative Christians, so I don’t know what it’s like.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 1:10:32am

re: #36 Rightwingconspirator

Biden and the Dems are up against “it’s the stupid economy” with inflation, higher interest, and a recession possibly coming. Biden needs to plan on retiring end of his term. We will need the change up.

I suspect he is waiting for the results of the midterms to determine when he is going to announce his retirement.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 1:13:48am

re: #54 HRH Stanley Sea

Anti-Abortion Advocate Excitedly Switches Focus To Shaming Young Unwed Mothers

It will not just be shaming unwed mothers, it will be harassing pregnant women and watching out for anything that could be seen as “inducing a miscarriage” or “endangering unborn life”.

Things have to get worse before they can get better but I never expected things to get this bad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 1:28:32am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

I remember seeing paperback copies of Hal Lindsey’s “The Late Great Planet Earth” being pretty much everywhere when I was a kid in the mid ’70s/early ’80s. IIRC, I think it’s still considered the best-selling non-fiction book of the 1970s (though I personally wouldn’t consider it “non-fiction”, but perhaps more “fan fiction/fairytales”).

In the 8th grade, I had a crush on a Baptist girl who loaned me a copy of 666 by Salem Kirban, one of the first End Times fiction works; truly awful by any metric and basically written by an Evangelical Ed Wood.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2022 • 1:33:38am

Well, good thing that I was the first person to use our new coffee machine to actually brew any coffee, since it needed to be programmed for the size of the urns that we here and the first test to see if I could just run the preset cycle twice met with a resounding “No.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 1:35:58am

re: #171 Targetpractice

Well, good thing that I was the first person to use our new coffee machine to actually brew any coffee, since it needed to be programmed for the size of the urns that we here and the first test to see if I could just run the preset cycle twice met with a resounding “No.”

I hate smart-ass machines that talk back and do not have a manual override.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2022 • 1:37:14am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I hate smart-ass machines that talk back and do not have a manual override.

Yeah, especially when they keep referring to me as “Dave.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 1:39:57am

re: #173 Targetpractice

Yeah, especially when they keep referring to me as “Dave.”

I especially dislike the female GPS voices. I am not going to take directions from any woman I cannot argue back with…

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 1:40:44am

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had a crush on a Baptist girl in the 8th grade who loaned me a copy of 666 by Salem Kirban, one of the first End Times fiction works; truly awful by any metric and basically written by an Evangelical Ed Wood.

I’d bet $5 that’s one of the books David Seltzer read when he was writing the screenplay for The Omen (along with “The Late Great Planet Earth”).

Seltzer incorporated a lot of Dispensationalist ideas into his screenplay and turned what were, up until then, little more than fringe Christian eschatological notions and made them mainstream thanks to the success of that film; I’d argue that The Omen probably had more lasting cultural influence than The Exorcist.

The very idea that the Antichrist was the literal son of Satan comes from The Omen….anyone who’s familiar with Christian eschatology knows that the Antichrist is simply a follower of Satan - but Seltzer kicked that idea up a notch for dramatic license. He had to explain the whole idea of 666 through exposition because mainstream audiences at that particular point in time (1976) weren’t all that familiar with the concept of the number of the beast (or the mark of the beast).

And the “daggers of Meggido”…totally made up by Seltzer. In fact, the very idea that you’d need to kill the Antichrist runs counter to Revelations, something you’d think the film’s religious consultant (an Evangelical Christian) would’ve picked up on, but completely failed to notice.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2022 • 1:43:30am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I especially dislike the female GPS voices. I am not going to take directions from any woman I cannot argue back with…

I just borrowed a page from aviators and started referring to the voice as “Bitchin’ Betty.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 1:53:06am

re: #175 Dr Lizardo

People who actually read and study the Bible tell me that the notion of planes falling from the sky when all the True Believers are caught up in the Great Snatch is is just Bad Theology.

But the megachurch grifters are more interested into packing seats and filling donation baskets than in teaching Gospel, so they lean on the sensationalism of Fire and Brimstone.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:00:58am

re: #175 Dr Lizardo

Good Omens, on the other hand, was a great book - the series was okay, it was just trying to hard to be hip, when one of the major tropes of Douglas Adams’ work is the notion of everyday un-hip bumblers who find themselves thrust into world-shaking events.

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ericblair  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:03:53am

re: #162 ckkatz

I know very little about the local mega-churches. The only one I know anything about in the Northern Virginia area is the massive McLean Bible Church. It basically provided a lot of community services to what I concluded were lost and/or insecure people. Including singles and support groups. From other singles groups, I knew a few that went there. I have been out of that scene for some time and do not know how thy are doing now.

I used to know an active member of a church near the McLean monstrosity. If you’ve ever driven up 7 on a Sunday, you know how badly this place fucks up traffic for one of the most important streets in NoVa. The local churches protested the expansion of McLean because all the traffic studies were ignored, but got completely steamrolled by US congresscritters and senators throwing their weight around. I don’t know how they’re doing right now, but I wish them ill.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:04:14am

re: #177 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People who actually read and study the Bible tell me that the notion of planes falling from the sky when all the True Believers are caught up in the Great Snatch is is just Bad Theology.

But the megachurch grifters are more interested into packing seats and filling donation baskets than in teaching Gospel, so they lean on the sensationalism of Fire and Brimstone.

The very idea of the rapture isn’t found in historical Christianity; it’s a relatively recent doctrine of American Evangelical Protestantism and their sectarian premillennial dispensationalist eschatology. But they’re extraordinarily good at popularizing their ideas and spreading them throughout popular culture.

On the subject of The Omen versus The Exorcist, by any metric, The Exorcist is a far better film (I’d say it’s the gold standard of the supernatural horror genre). But whereas most people would tell you that the Antichrist is the son of Satan (thanks to The Omen) how many people can name the demon that possessed Regan MacNeil off the top of their heads?

And the answer to the latter question is not “the devil”.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:10:11am

Feds raid churches near military installations, including one in Killeen near Fort Hood

These particular houses of superstition have been the subject of complaints for years, alleging cult activity like separating families. They se to specialize in recruiting soldiers from nearby military bases.

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mmmirele  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:10:15am

re: #152 ckkatz

British Professor of Strategic Studies at Scottish University looking at the SCOTUS ruling:

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He may have a point. The death of Savita Halappanavar, combined with the scandal of the Irish Catholic pedophile priests, certainly did it over there. The difference between Ireland and the USA is that the Republic of Ireland is essentially a religious monoculture, and the US isn’t. So I don’t expect it to fall apart as quickly.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:10:51am

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

The very idea of the rapture isn’t found in historical Christianity; it’s a relatively recent doctrine of American Evangelical Protestantism and their sectarian premillennial dispensationalist eschatology. But they’re extraordinarily good at popularizing their ideas and spreading them throughout popular culture.

On the subject of The Omen versus The Exorcist, by any metric, The Exorcist is a far better film (I’d say it’s the gold standard of the supernatural horror genre). But whereas most people would tell you that the Antichrist is the son of Satan (thanks to The Omen) how many people can name the demon that possessed Regan MacNeil off the top of their heads?

And the answer to the latter question is not “the devil”.

The Left Behind series probably isn’t well known by many Americans, but the LaHayes were central to the growth of a politicized evangelical movement.

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mmmirele  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:14:44am

re: #162 ckkatz

I know very little about the local mega-churches. The only one I know anything about in the Northern Virginia area is the massive McLean Bible Church. It basically provided a lot of community services to what I concluded were lost and/or insecure people. Including singles and support groups. From other singles groups, I knew a few that went there. I have been out of that scene for some time and do not know how thy are doing now.

Tearing itself apart, apparently, accusing the pastor, David Platt of being “woke” and teaching CRT. It’s quite the mess. Why yes, it ended up in court. Here’s an article from May: washingtonpost.com

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mmmirele  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:18:01am

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In the 8th grade, I had a crush on a Baptist girl who loaned me a copy of 666 by Salem Kirban, one of the first End Times fiction works; truly awful by any metric and basically written by an Evangelical Ed Wood.

OH MAN. This is the BEST description by far of the abomination that was Salem Kirban. Thank you SO MUCH for putting into words the sheer awfulness of 666.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:24:13am

re: #185 mmmirele

OH MAN. This is the BEST description by far of the abomination that was Salem Kirban. Thank you SO MUCH for putting into words the sheer awfulness of 666.

I remember reading it in the eighth grade (I already had rather refined literary tastes by then) and just asking out loud what kind of hideous bullshit it was.

One work of religious fiction that influenced me (long before The Da Vinci Code) was Irving Wallace’s The Word, about the supposed discovery of a “Fifth Gospel” that is supposed to turn Christianity on its head (and later turns out to be a fake).
It goes into some detail about the history of the New Testament and the early Church.

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mmmirele  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:32:05am

re: #175 Dr Lizardo

I’d bet $5 that’s one of the books David Seltzer read when he was writing the screenplay for The Omen (along with “The Late Great Planet Earth”).

Seltzer incorporated a lot of Dispensationalist ideas into his screenplay and turned what were, up until them, little more than fringe Christian eschatological notions and made them mainstream thanks to the success of that film; I’d argue that The Omen probably had more lasting cultural influence than The Exorcist.

The very idea that the Antichrist was the literal son of Satan comes from The Omen….anyone who’s familiar with Christian eschatology knows that the Antichrist is simply a follower of Satan - but Seltzer kicked that idea up a notch for dramatic license. He had to explain the whole idea of 666 through exposition because mainstream audiences at that particular point in time (1976) weren’t all that familiar with the concept of the number of the beast (or the mark of the beast).

And the “daggers of Meggido”…totally made up by Seltzer. In fact, the very idea that you’d need to kill the Antichrist runs counter to Revelations, something you’d think the film’s religious consultant (an Evangelical Christian) would’ve picked up on, but completely failed to notice.

Yeah, but this assumes that all Evangelicals are of one belief on the end times. They’re not. They probably got some conservative Presbyterian who knew nothing about the elaborate scenarios from C.I. Scofield and his successors. You’ve got the pre-tribulation rapture people, the guys who were convinced Jesus was coming back to lift everyone up into the clouds and then there’d be seven years of wrath. Then there were the mid-trib rapture people, where there’d be 3.5 years of wrath and then the rapture, then the post-trib rapture people, where Jesus would return and the saints would be raptured to meet him in the air. And then there are the dominionists who think they have to purify the USA (less the world) before Jesus comes back so they can present us as a gift to Jesus. (Makes middle finger hand gestures, that’s what I think of this *gift* business.)

And all of this whipped out of virtually nothing. The whole rapture business comes out of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, where Paul was writing to people whose friends/family had died before the very soon return of Jesus, trying to reassure them that why yes, their dead friends and family would meet them with Jesus at Jesus’ return. Paul told his Thessalonian readers to expect Jesus’ very soon return, but the reality is that we’re still waiting. (Or, as the Lutheran pastor once told me, Jesus’ return will be at our deaths.)

My point is that there are as many views of the end of times as there are people, and I bet The Omen’s religion specialist was simply not familiar with end times prophecy, at least not as familiar as say a teenager like me growing up in the South in the 1970s.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:32:51am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:37:06am

re: #188 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The only TRUE CHRISTIANS are the ones who believe that the King James translation of the Bible is the True and Literal Word of God.

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sagehen  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:37:39am

re: #183 Barefoot Grin

The Left Behind series probably isn’t well known by many Americans, but the LaHayes were central to the growth of a politicized evangelical movement.

as a long-time Slacktivist fan, I know more than anybody should about the Left Behind books. Or, as Fred Clark calls them, “the worst books ever published. Whether you’re judging them by literary standards or theology standards or their impact on American culture, any way you look at them they’re utterly repulsive.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:44:53am

In The Atlantic (May 13, 2022)

I Invented Gilead. The Supreme Court Is Making It Real. (Margaret Atwood)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:54:39am

re: #189 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The only TRUE CHRISTIANS are the ones who believe that the King James translation of the Bible is the True and Literal Word of God.

Minus the parts of course that the Protestant Revolt removed. (The King James version as originally published includes those pesky books in the unabridged Catholic version of the Bible.) It is available on Amazon.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:56:51am

Meidas Touch (4:58), a recent graduate of the University of Texas at Austin learns that conservatism is about hate and power.

Youtube Video

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:57:55am

re: #187 mmmirele

The idea that became The Omen apparently originated from an ad exec and Evangelical Christian named Robert Munger.

The story goes that Munger had read “The Late Great Planet Earth”, which got him thinking, and he mentioned the idea, “Hey, what if the Antichrist was here among us right now and nobody knew it?” to his friend Harvey Bernhard, then Harvey turned around and commissioned David Seltzer to come up with a screenplay from that idea - and Seltzer started reading out-there Christian literature available at the time and mixed and matched various fringe eschatological ideas to flesh out the screenplay.

Bernhard served as Producer for The Omen and Munger got credited as the film’s “religious consultant”. Harvey Bernhard was a frequent collaborator with Richard Donner, who directed the film.

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sagehen  Jun 25, 2022 • 2:59:05am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:08:17am

Well done, GOP, we’re North Korea.

North Korea Forbids Doctors To Perform Abortions, Implant Birth Control Devices (Radio Free Asia, October 14, 2015)

North Korean authorities have issued a directive banning medical professionals from performing birth control procedures and abortions in an effort to reverse the isolated country’s falling birth rate, sources inside said.

“This central policy was announced at a lecture for health care workers on Oct. 8,” a source in the country’s northern Yanggang province told RFA’s Korean Service. “The new policy says that birth control procedures are illegal, and gynecologists who implant birth control devices in their patients will be punished by law.”

The directive also forbids gynecologists to perform abortions, although it did not indicate the penalty for doing so, he said.

The source surmised that medical doctors would have to pay a large fine if they are caught performing abortions.

If doctors who are not gynecologists perform such procedures, they will be sentenced to a maximum of three years in prison, he said. (more)

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Dangerman  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:13:48am

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

In The Atlantic (May 13, 2022)

I Invented Gilead. The Supreme Court Is Making It Real. (Margaret Atwood)

Welcome hatchling ;-)

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:15:30am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Well now, the GOP ain’t gonna let themselves be outdone by North Korea now are they?

I reckon their upcoming proposals will go North Korea one better and mandate the death penalty as punishment for any doctor performing abortions….or any woman having one or indeed, anyone assisting a woman in procuring an abortion, regardless of any and all circumstances.

Shit, I think some wingnuts have in fact advocated this in the not-too-distant past.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:18:07am
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Dangerman  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:24:46am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:24:53am

The national Libertarian Party is calling for the breakup of the country.

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Dangerman  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:27:14am

re: #198 Dr Lizardo

Well now, the GOP ain’t gonna let themselves be outdone by North Korea now are they?

I reckon their upcoming proposals will go North Korea one better and mandate the death penalty as punishment for any doctor performing abortions….or any woman having one or indeed, anyone assisting a woman in procuring an abortion, regardless of any and all circumstances.

Shit, I think some wingnuts have in fact advocated this in the not-too-distant past.

It still amazes me that they can think in this draconian way re punishment for an abortion

And not do the same thing for demonstrable misuse of guns. Wouldn’t change keeping and bearing. Just punishment for the nutters. And they can’t even see that.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:31:33am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The national Libertarian Party is calling for the breakup of the country.

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“National Divorce.” Because the red states expect to be paid alimony since they’ll never be self-sufficient on their own.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:32:07am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

LOL as usual, the Libertarians have their heads up their asses.

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:32:48am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The national Libertarian Party is calling for the breakup of the country.

Of course. An America with a government strong enough to save the world from Nazis is able to regulate and tax the greedy scum. Plus it helps the rest of the oligarchs world wide, though especially in Russia.

Follow the money, as they say.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:37:10am

re: #203 Targetpractice

“National Divorce.” Because the red states expect to be paid alimony since they’ll never be self-sufficient on their own.

National Divorce: OK, fine.

The red states are to be completely demilitarized. That includes conventional and nuclear weapons, which will be transferred to the blue states. They will no longer be allowed to use the US Dollar as their currency. Etc., etc.

With the exception of Texas, which is doing OK (for now, at least) the overwhelming majority of red state America would turn into Somalia in less than one year without economic assistance from the blue states.

And Texas’ economy, while substantial, simply isn’t big enough to generate the revenue needed to support the rest of the red states. They’d be utterly fucked.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:40:11am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Good Omens, on the other hand, was a great book - the series was okay, it was just trying to hard to be hip, when one of the major tropes of Douglas Adams’ work is the notion of everyday un-hip bumblers who find themselves thrust into world-shaking events.

Since Douglas Adams didn’t write Good Omens, it makes sense that Gaiman and Pratchett, who did write the book, while influenced by Adams, would deviate from Adams’ major tropes, especially when Gaiman came around to doing the video adaptation.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:45:51am

Related Q: Aren’t confirmation hearings held under oath?

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:47:21am
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:48:44am
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:50:09am

Wow:

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:51:22am

...

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:52:04am

re: #211 Belafon

People have pointed out that Thomas quite slyly left out Loving v Virginia on the roster of cases he’d like to take another look at.

I wonder why that is….

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:52:23am

Everyone will be political after this:

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:53:03am

re: #213 Dr Lizardo

People have pointed out that Thomas quite slyly left out Loving v Virginia on the roster of cases he’d like to take another look at.

I wonder why that is….

I have been. The wow is the who.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 25, 2022 • 3:57:19am

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

National Divorce: OK, fine.

The red states are to be completely demilitarized. That includes conventional and nuclear weapons, which will be transferred to the blue states. They will no longer be allowed to use the US Dollar as their currency. Etc., etc.

With the exception of Texas, which is doing OK (for now, at least) the overwhelming majority of red state America would turn into Somalia in less than one year without economic assistance from the blue states.

And Texas’ economy, while substantial, simply isn’t big enough to generate the revenue needed to support the rest of the red states. They’d be utterly fucked.

Nebraska also pays out more to the feds than it receives. That said, there is a vast difference within the state between the richest and poorest counties by income (I live in the eleventh-poorest according to the newspaper here, and my income is below the county average—that said, we live even more frugally than our income allows, which is why we can occasionally travel).

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 4:03:24am

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Nebraska also pays out more to the feds than it receives. That said, there is a vast difference within the state between the richest and poorest counties by income (I live in the eleventh-poorest according to the newspaper here, and my income is below the county average—that said, we live even more frugally than our income allows, which is why we can occasionally travel).

I know there was another one or two red states besides Texas that paid out more than it received in federal $$$; I couldn’t remember which ones. Good to know that Nebraska is one of them.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 25, 2022 • 4:13:39am

re: #217 Dr Lizardo

I know there was another one or two red states besides Texas that paid out more than it received in federal $$$; I couldn’t remember which ones. Good to know that Nebraska is one of them.

At least we don’t have a Russian-ratfuqued #NEXIT movement here.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 25, 2022 • 4:17:26am

The sun is coming up and the birds were just switched on. I’m going to trundle off to the bathtub and get ready for bed.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 4:20:50am

He doesn’t understand Democrats, especiallysince most of us can’t just move:

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A Mom Anon  Jun 25, 2022 • 4:58:07am

re: #220 Belafon

I would love to move to a blue state, but there isn’t any affordable housing anywhere. These assholes act like moving to another state is just some fun weekend activity. Because they are rich and if they did have to move they would just pay someone to pack, move/store things, etc.

I’m convinced that for the vast majority of humans, being wealthy causes a complete lack of compassion and understanding how the world works when you aren’t rich. Which is also why I think rich fucks should be in charge of as little as possible. It’s not the wealth itself that causes this, it’s the privilege and insulation it buys that fucks a lot of things up. The people who freak me out the most are the ones who know what it’s like to struggle and not have much that then find themselves with enough for a few lifetimes and decide the rest of us are just lazy and don’t work hard enough.

I just want to be able to make sure my son and myself don’t end up homeless, how is that being a drain on them?

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jeffreyw  Jun 25, 2022 • 5:06:46am

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Good morning!

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Dangerman  Jun 25, 2022 • 5:07:23am

re: #208 Teukka

Related Q: Aren’t confirmation hearings held under oath?

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kinda meaningless

yes i said that at the time
yes it was my opinion
yes i meant it
i have since done more work on the matter
i’ve read, thought, debated, argued and been persuaded that my thinking was not complete or correct
so yes, my position has changed

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 5:07:35am

re: #221 A Mom Anon

The blue states are, unfortunately, very expensive to live in. There’s places in California like Fresno, which is in a red part of the state, but overall California is very much a blue state so that’d offer some protection.

That being said….Fresno isn’t exactly the best place to live, from what I recall.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2022 • 5:08:50am

re: #221 A Mom Anon

I would love to move to a blue state, but there isn’t any affordable housing anywhere. These assholes act like moving to another state is just some fun weekend activity. Because they are rich and if they did have to move they would just pay someone to pack, move/store things, etc.

I’m convinced that for the vast majority of humans, being wealthy causes a complete lack of compassion and understanding how the world works when you aren’t rich. Which is also why I think rich fucks should be in charge of as little as possible. It’s not the wealth itself that causes this, it’s the privilege and insulation it buys that fucks a lot of things up. The people who freak me out the most are the ones who know what it’s like to struggle and not have much that then find themselves with enough for a few lifetimes and decide the rest of us are just lazy and don’t work hard enough.

I just want to be able to make sure my son and myself don’t end up homeless, how is that being a drain on them?

Yes, that’s the argument my super-wealthy cousin makes—leave these things to the states and the people can make decisions about what kind of laws they want to live under. And I said basically what you said. It took me years to find permanent work in my field, and I took a hit beyond just low salary due the insane cost of living in this purple state. If the Free State Libertarian doo-doo heads take it over fully I’d want to leave—but where and how?

Anyway, separate issue, but we have another family reunion this summer and I’m just hoping my cousins aren’t all spun up on Qanon, because I guess “Q” just reappeared to start fucking things up before the midterms.

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Florida Panhandler  Jun 25, 2022 • 5:23:32am

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

If Justice Thomas and the rest of the fascist clique really get cracking they could conceivably over-rule Lawrence, Griswold and Obergefell all by, say, the middle of October. With any luck, the result would be an unprecedented disaster for mid-term hopeful Repugs, crushed, extinguished, under an avalanche of outrage. To paraphrase a headline from the end of the Civil War, “Treason and superstition buried in the same grave.”
It goes without saying that the GOP will use lies, sabotage and violence on a massive scale to prevent this. Democrats need to be ready at every level to counter this and they need to be ready for a brass knuckle, eye gouging, gonad crushing brawl in the process.

Once these cases are done away with by judicial edict Thomas’ role will be done and he is largely expendable to the theocrats. He will be asked to step down by Republicans so they can replace him with someone young and full of bitter hatred who will overthrow Loving vs. Virginia and really get down to brass tacks about what this is all about.

Clarence Thomas, in his diatribe masked as a concurrent statement yesterday left out Loving Vs. Virginia regarding cases to be overruled. Wonder why? Interracial marriage affects him personally, so he cares about this one. He doesn’t care one bit about anyone else. This is apparent to everyone by now.

Fuck him.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 25, 2022 • 5:42:52am

In Kentucky, the abortion clinics are going to court to enjoin enforcement of the trigger law, I’m guessing under the theory that the Kentucky Constitution protects abortion rights. However, that will only be a temporary reprieve if successful, because in November there is a measure on the ballot to amend the Kentucky Constitution to ban abortion, and I’m pretty sure it will pass easily.

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Florida Panhandler  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:16:58am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The national Libertarian Party is calling for the breakup of the country.

The Libertarians are always looking for a way to enact racist and anti-woman laws anywhere they can. Breaking up the US piece by piece and doing it one region at a time seems like a good strategy.

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Florida Panhandler  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:24:09am

Speaking of racists, I missed this bit of news earlier in the week….Elon Musk just fired a bunch of people in the LGBT Dept including the head of Diversity:

electrek.co

‘woke virus” is a phrase directly from the depths of 4Chan. I am glad I canceled my Cybertruck preorder a few months ago. It won’t make a difference to Elon but it does to me. Elon wants to go to Mars. I guess recently to him it seems like a good place to go to get away from everyone not exactly like him.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:34:26am

My asshole Libertarian former-friend wrote on Facebook:
“I really don’t understand all this fuss. Is it really that hard to keep it in your pants or use contraception?”

My reply”
You don’t understand the fuss about enslaving American women? How about the national Libertarians calling for a “national divorce.” It’s time to leave this stupidity behind. You now disgust normal people.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:51:11am

Police response to the guy that ran over pro-choice protesters in Iowa.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:55:08am

Since the courts have thrown out Roe maybe we should consider codifying it. I know it will be a long and hard road but it will be worth it in the long run. That and quite a few more people will be involved in the legal and voting process so that too will be a win.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:55:21am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Funnily enough I deliberately choose a British-accented female voice that sounds like she’s about 5 minutes away from saying, “excuse me while I slip on something more authoritarian”.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:56:30am

re: #232 PhillyPretzel

Since the courts have thrown out Roe maybe we should consider codifying it. I know it will be a long and hard road but it will be worth it in the long run. That and quite a few more people will be involved in the legal and voting process so that too will be a win.

Couldn’t they still throw it out anyway?

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No Malarkey!  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:56:52am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I especially dislike the female GPS voices. I am not going to take directions from any woman I cannot argue back with…

I chose an Irish accented woman. Just love that accent.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:57:03am

re: #234 GlutenFreeJesus

Honestly I do not know.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:57:47am

Great thread. No matter how bad things get, never give up.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:58:22am

re: #233 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Funnily enough I deliberately choose a British-accented female voice that sounds like she’s about 5 minutes away from saying, “excuse me while I slip on something more authoritarian”.

Alexa’s voice grates on the ears. Ours should sound like Lauren Bacall.

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Dangerman  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:58:44am

re: #233 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Funnily enough I deliberately choose a British-accented female voice that sounds like she’s about 5 minutes away from saying, “excuse me while I slip on something more authoritarian”.

I use cookie monster in waze

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 25, 2022 • 6:58:47am

re: #232 PhillyPretzel

Since the courts have thrown out Roe maybe we should consider codifying it. I know it will be a long and hard road but it will be worth it in the long run. That and quite a few more people will be involved in the legal and voting process so that too will be a win.

That’s what the Democrats have been talking about doing. The concern is that the court will strike down whatever they do. If we get full control of Congress we can do this, then expand the court after they strike it down and the American people are experiencing this rage again. The Republicans made a radical change. I’m ready for more radical change that they won’t like so much.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:00:53am

re: #240 Crush White Nationalism

Same here.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:02:15am

Nothing Biden does through executive fiat will survive the next Republican president. If he does the wrong things, that’s going to be 30 months from now.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:02:25am

Hey, smartypants types:

I’m no legal scholar, by why does it seem that everyone from the pundit class to the SCOTUS whizzes right past the 9th amendment like it’s not even there?

law.cornell.edu

“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

Doesn’t that very plainly state that “JUST BECAUSE WE SPELLED OUT CERTAIN THINGS DOESN’T MEAN THAT THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS”?

I mean, really. Isn’t that pretty much the heart of what we think of as “freedom” in ‘Merica? What am I not seeing?

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darthstar  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:04:10am

For anyone wondering if the HIMARS will make that big a difference…

Accuracy comparison:

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darthstar  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:15:32am

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:19:17am

re: #240 Crush White Nationalism

That’s what the Democrats have been talking about doing. The concern is that the court will strike down whatever they do. If we get full control of Congress we can do this, then expand the court after they strike it down and the American people are experiencing this rage again. The Republicans made a radical change. I’m ready for more radical change that they won’t like so much.

Expand the court before they strike it down. And if the GOP doesn’t like it, that’s just too bad.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:20:44am

re: #246 Dr Lizardo

Expand the court before they strike it down. And if the GOP doesn’t like it, that’s just too bad.

If they’ve created rage again for another reason, which they probably will, sure.
You want the strong backing of the people for something like that.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:22:25am

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

The very idea of the rapture isn’t found in historical Christianity; it’s a relatively recent doctrine of American Evangelical Protestantism and their sectarian premillennial dispensationalist eschatology. But they’re extraordinarily good at popularizing their ideas and spreading them throughout popular culture.

On the subject of The Omen versus The Exorcist, by any metric, The Exorcist is a far better film (I’d say it’s the gold standard of the supernatural horror genre). But whereas most people would tell you that the Antichrist is the son of Satan (thanks to The Omen) how many people can name the demon that possessed Regan MacNeil off the top of their heads?

And the answer to the latter question is not “the devil”.

I can! My wife’s sister in law called her Isuzu by that name.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:26:18am

re: #245 darthstar

That needs to be a shirt.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:29:35am

re: #245 darthstar

Although it might get some people in trouble I think it should be sent to the courts that have taken away the rights of women.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:32:57am
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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:44:46am

re: #221 A Mom Anon

I would love to move to a blue state, but there isn’t any affordable housing anywhere. These assholes act like moving to another state is just some fun weekend activity . …

Like pregnancy is just a temporary inconvenience.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:48:24am

re: #248 BlueSpotinAL

I can! My wife’s sister in law called her Isuzu by that name.

I love it.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:51:04am

re: #222 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:57:29am

re: #232 PhillyPretzel

Since the courts have thrown out Roe maybe we should consider codifying it. I know it will be a long and hard road but it will be worth it in the long run. That and quite a few more people will be involved in the legal and voting process so that too will be a win.

They’ve been trying for years, with a recent/current push going on as we speak. The Senate repugs keep blocking it.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2022 • 7:59:48am

re: #255 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

That is why I also said we have to get involved in the voting process. GOTV worked the last time to get Biden in. It should be used again.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:00:57am

re: #220 Belafon

If true, this is an anti-American as much as the confederacy was. It’s literally siding with anti-Americans because of their view point. It was slavery then, today it’s anti-choice.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:03:57am

Pops has a new song and video:

Youtube Video

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:04:15am

re: #255 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

re: #256 PhillyPretzel

We have to really concentrate on doing our damnedest to not just get a majority in the Senate, but a filibuster-proof majority (ideally, a supermajority). If we can a filibuster-proof majority we can start pushing through legislation and expand SCOTUS too. We have to do this over the next two election cycles (this year and 2024). GOTV efforts and aggressively going after the Talibangelicals in our messaging.

The GOP will scream, to be sure, but I say….fuck ‘em.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:04:35am

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:05:16am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The national Libertarian Party is calling for the breakup of the country.

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Are libertarians that stupid? Oh, wait — they are! Either that or they are on Putin’s payroll.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:05:36am

An interesting phenomenon is that blue cities in red states will refuse to prosecute abortion “crimes”, so they will become havens for the black market sale of abortion pills. I assume at least some red states will create abortion crime divisions of their state police, and authorize states AGs to prosecute abortion crimes in response. A good solution would be for the FDA to make misoprostol and/or mifepristone OTC drugs since they have uses other than abortion. Red states wouldn’t be able to prosecute anyone for prescribing them, and it would force them to pass unpopular laws to prosecute women for inducing their own abortions if they are determined to stop it.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:06:29am

re: #257 Dr. Matt

If true, this is an anti-American as much as the confederacy was. It’s literally siding with anti-Americans because of their view point. It was slavery then, today it’s anti-choice.

Or, it may turn purple states blue as women are galvanized to vote blue.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:08:12am

re: #261 Hecuba’s daughter

Are libertarians that stupid? Oh, wait — they are! Either that or they are on Putin’s payroll.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:10:08am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:14:48am

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mmmirele  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:15:59am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:19:07am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The national Libertarian Party is calling for the breakup of the country.

They want to see us all our own little personal sovereign Republics of Bob, Larry, Ted, etc…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:20:46am

re: #226 Florida Panhandler

Once these cases are done away with by judicial edict Thomas’ role will be done and he is largely expendable to the theocrats. He will be asked to step down by Republicans so they can replace him with someone young and full of bitter hatred who will overthrow Loving vs. Virginia and really get down to brass tacks about what this is all about.

Clarence Thomas, in his diatribe masked as a concurrent statement yesterday left out Loving Vs. Virginia regarding cases to be overruled. Wonder why? Interracial marriage affects him personally, so he cares about this one. He doesn’t care one bit about anyone else. This is apparent to everyone by now.

Fuck him.

IANAL, but wasn’t the Loving decision based on other criteria and so would not fall automatically under the umbrella of cases Thomas wants to reconsider?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:20:47am

re: #207 A Three Hour Tour

Since Douglas Adams didn’t write Good Omens, it makes sense that Gaiman and Pratchett, who did write the book, while influenced by Adams, would deviate from Adams’ major tropes, especially when Gaiman came around to doing the video adaptation.

Got the two confused, but Terry Pratchett was also one to show everyday bumblers and stumblers coping with the world rather than hip, edgy characters.

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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:31:35am
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:38:43am

re: #271 Crush White Nationalism

Both are all-time classics that still hold up.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:39:01am

Good morning from Southern Idaho Lizards.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:40:25am

re: #271 Crush White Nationalism

Can You Believe Blade Runner and The Thing Premiered on the Same Day? (Gizmodo)

Ironic - and even more so that both films were box-office flops and yet both are now considered among the best sci-fi genre films ever made (though The Thing is more of a sci-fi/horror flick). Blade Runner is now typically ranked as one of the greatest sci-fi films of all time and The Thing is widely hailed as one of John Carpenter’s best films.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:52:55am

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

Historically speaking, guns are how you get rights when all else fails.

Just sayin’.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:53:04am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:55:19am

re: #234 GlutenFreeJesus

Couldn’t they still throw it out anyway?

This court would definitely throw it out. The VRA was established legislation, approved by overwhelming bipartisan majorities (before the GOP completely devolved) and that didn’t stop Roberts from overturning it.

There are only 2 ways to protect women’s rights: a Constitutional amendment which will never happen or a court with a majority of liberals. And the only likely way to get the majority we need is for lightning to strike down at least 2 of the GOP judges, the sooner the better.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:57:33am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:58:31am

re: #267 mmmirele

So it appears Karen supposedly is in favor of using taxes to help poor women raise their children. Does she really support raising taxes on the wealthy or does she want existing money to be reallocated for that purpose?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2022 • 8:58:53am

re: #278 Belafon

G-d bless Jose Andres. He deserves more than a Noble Prize.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:00:20am

re: #276 Belafon

Cue Court challenges about how this rule change grossly violates these religious schools deeply held religious beliefs/teachings. The lawsuits will practically write themselves.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:01:01am
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:01:33am

re: #280 PhillyPretzel

G-d bless Jose Andres. He deserves more than a Noble Prize.

You can tell how much this has pushed people because both he and Simone Biles have spoken out. Biles has generally avoided political commentary.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:04:02am
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:05:06am
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So Cal Greek Hippie  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:09:46am

Catching up:

On Secession: a big problem for coastal states that might leave the United States is the lack of a Navy. Can Texas or California or Louisiana for that matter create a Naval force, and build or buy enough ships and support to protect the coast and waterways before they are overrun by outsiders?

On Supreme Court Decisions: these seem like the decisions of robot overlords instead of humans, and we are right at the technology development stage where it goes South in the science fiction movies. Time to update the Turing Test!

On Southern California (see photo)

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:15:34am
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:16:02am
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Crush White Nationalism  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:17:11am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:17:49am

Talking to someone from Istanbul; she noted that although the official Turkish Lira to Euro exchange rate is about 18:1, the street rate is 25:1. Ouch.

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TarHellion  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:19:18am

Wordle 371 3/6

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Back to back 3/6s. Took care of the groceries then opted to catnap the morning. The Onion’s Twitter feed has been lit! Take care, folks!

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John Hughes  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:22:34am

re: #245 darthstar

Front page of Liberation.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:22:44am

So to throw cold water on my idea to make abortion pills OTC; its not going to happen anytime soon, if ever.

Neither Biden nor Becerra addressed making the pills available over-the-counter, a process that could take years, medical and regulatory experts told Reuters. They said drugmakers would need to conduct studies showing directions on the product’s packaging would enable a consumer to safely use it without professional medical guidance.

The two companies that make the pill for the U.S. market have shown no interest in the process. Should they do, any U.S. Food and Drug Administration approval would become a target for lawsuits from abortion opponents that could delay implementation for years, experts said.

“The hard part that I see is getting the evidence or the agreement that no prescriber is needed at all,” said Susan Wood, a former Assistant Commissioner for Women’s Health at the FDA.

“I personally don’t see it happening in the next couple of years,” said Wood, now director of George Washington University’s Jacobs Institute of Women’s Health.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:24:17am

re: #213 Dr Lizardo

People have pointed out that Thomas quite slyly left out Loving v Virginia on the roster of cases he’d like to take another look at.

I wonder why that is….

Akiva Cohen did not leave outLoving in his smack down.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:30:19am

re: #293 No Malarkey!

So to throw cold water on my idea to make abortion pills OTC; its not going to happen anytime soon, if ever.

There’s warm water in there, too.

“Today I am directing the Department of Health and Human Services to take steps to ensure these critical medications are available to the fullest extent possible,” President Joe Biden said at the White House on Friday.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:34:28am

It quoted a lot more than I wanted to. The article is called ‘analysis’. It seems to be one man’s construction of an opinion. Over-the-counter is entirely possible. Don’t let one man’s cold water discourage everybody. Fight back.

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Dopamine Fish  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:34:51am

A lukewarm start to a lukewarm Saturday.

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mmmirele  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:35:13am

re: #279 Hecuba’s daughter

So it appears Karen supposedly is in favor of using taxes to help poor women raise their children. Does she really support raising taxes on the wealthy or does she want existing money to be reallocated for that purpose?

I actually don’t believe this at all. She and her lot haven’t done jack in the last 50 years except performative piety—she was involved in turning Buffalo into a hellhole in 1992. I don’t trust a single word she says.

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John Hughes  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:40:05am

re: #259 Dr Lizardo

We have to really concentrate on doing our damnedest to not just get a majority in the Senate, but a filibuster-proof majority

if you have a real majority the “filibuster” doesn’t exist.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:43:30am

This is Lauren Hobart, the CEO of Dick’s Sporting Goods:

m.dailykos.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:43:45am

re: #299 John Hughes

if you have a real majority the “filibuster” doesn’t exist.

I meant to preclude the GOP from even thinking about trying to launch a filibuster. A majority big enough that they’re forced to publicly concede, “Well….we’re fucked.”

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John Hughes  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:45:42am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They want to see us all our own little personal sovereign Republics of Bob, Larry, Ted, etc…

Dave. The Republic of Dave. ‘till I stole the election. :)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:46:34am

re: #299 John Hughes

if you have a real majority the “filibuster” doesn’t exist.

It requires 60 votes — so a large majority, not just a real majority.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:47:03am

Outline for the new Green Book:

Can I get an abortion? The Southern guide to abortion rights post-Roe
al.com

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 25, 2022 • 9:55:05am

re: #143 Hecuba’s daughter

Words..

my typical 4/6

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Same here

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:04:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:06:11am

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

Arizona has not held the Most Embarrassing State in the Union crown for some weeks now, this brings it back home.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:12:20am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:16:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:17:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:18:07am
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DodgerFan1988  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:21:35am
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CleverToad  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:21:49am

re: #288 Belafon

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The essential element of ‘show up every time’ that the Republicans mastered — focus on the local races (especially the school board). To respond, the local party will need more help from national: Find and FUND candidates for every single open slot. Then keep reminding voters to check off every single office on the ballot, not just the top few.

Far easier said than done, of course. The ‘find and fund’ part will be the kicker, when armed and organized thugs are targeting the candidates’ families.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:25:31am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:27:43am

I was just driving some of the back roads around here and I can tell you what the Republic of Bob and the Republic of Ralph and the Republic of Larry looks like: Trump flag hanging from tree branch, never fewer than two rusted out trucks, perhaps a wheel barrow on its side over here and the tub of a washing machine over there that’s been cleverly converted into some kind of bbq grill….

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:29:30am
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Eventual Carrion  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:30:10am

re: #214 Belafon

Everyone will be political after this:

Ben Franklin wrote instructions on how to make an abortion potion.

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Teddy's Person  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:38:50am
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Dangerman  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:38:58am

re: #293 No Malarkey!

So to throw cold water on my idea to make abortion pills OTC; its not going to happen anytime soon, if ever.

……
gonna try this again below

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:40:01am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

But it’s not a cult…

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:41:18am

re: #313 CleverToad

The problem we’ve got is also nicely explained by this thinly-veiled metaphor:

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Dangerman  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:45:41am

re: #319 Dangerman

from electoral-vote.com this AM

AidAccess has already announced that it will ship mifepristone and misoprostol anywhere in the U.S. for $150 regardless of the recipient’s home state’s abortion restrictions, and that they will provide the pills proactively (in other words, the recipient need not be already pregnant). The site ineedana appears to have made a similar commitment (though both sites are getting so much traffic right now, it’s hard to access them in order to confirm).

(effing tablet and autocorrect)

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2022 • 10:50:33am
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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2022 • 11:01:20am

AOC has a thread.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2022 • 11:02:19am

re: #324 wrenchwench

And she’s absolutely correct.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2022 • 11:03:57am
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John Hughes  Jun 25, 2022 • 11:05:12am

re: #303 Hecuba’s daughter

It requires 60 votes — so a large majority, not just a real majority.

No, it doesn’t.

It needs 51 votes to remove the “filibuster” from the rules.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 25, 2022 • 11:06:31am

re: #323 wrenchwench

Billionaire gonna match 10k in donations. Yay, I guess.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2022 • 11:08:35am

re: #327 John Hughes

No, it doesn’t.

It needs 51 votes to remove the “filibuster” from the rules.

You are right. My bad.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 25, 2022 • 11:08:58am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They want to see us all our own little personal sovereign Republics of Bob, Larry, Ted, etc…

We tried that at the beginning of this country. It didn’t work out.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2022 • 11:09:10am

re: #328 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Billionaire gonna match 10k in donations. Yay, I guess.

She’s working on generating some enthusiasm in public as she does so. The percentage of her wealth employed is not where I make my judgement.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2022 • 11:12:47am

re: #331 wrenchwench

She’s working on generating some enthusiasm in public as she does so. The percentage of her wealth employed is not where I make my judgement.

Also, she’s only worth about $250 mil. Not small potatoes of course, but well less than a billion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2022 • 12:33:29pm

re: #314 wrenchwench

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 25, 2022 • 1:06:04pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

The economic anxiety is palpable with these people. And their employer is awfully nice to give them so much time off.


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